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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,667 --> 00:00:03,294 STEVEN SPIELBERG: I'm in Wilshire Boulevard, 2 00:00:03,377 --> 00:00:05,004 and I just came across a theater 3 00:00:05,087 --> 00:00:07,298 that has a very apropos sign. 4 00:00:07,381 --> 00:00:09,050 If you can read it, the sign says 5 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,010 "Robert Shaw in Jaws." 6 00:00:11,093 --> 00:00:14,764 Also, "Take the Money and Run." 7 00:00:15,515 --> 00:00:17,433 That's pretty funny, wouldn't you say? 8 00:00:18,142 --> 00:00:20,686 Well, there were all sorts of reasons for people going in, 9 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:23,940 but the people coming out, they were ecstatic. 10 00:00:24,732 --> 00:00:26,484 Smoking lounge is sold out, 11 00:00:26,567 --> 00:00:29,362 seats downstairs in the first seven rows only. 12 00:00:29,904 --> 00:00:31,113 I was in New York at the time, 13 00:00:31,197 --> 00:00:32,490 and I went with two friends of mine, 14 00:00:32,573 --> 00:00:35,660 Janet Maslin and Albert Brooks. 15 00:00:36,702 --> 00:00:37,828 The three of us were in the car, 16 00:00:38,412 --> 00:00:39,872 going over to the Rivoli 17 00:00:40,456 --> 00:00:42,250 to see if there might be a line. 18 00:00:42,333 --> 00:00:46,045 MAN 1: The ticket holders' line went on and on. 19 00:00:46,128 --> 00:00:47,880 It became this spectacle. 20 00:00:47,964 --> 00:00:49,840 I kept thinking, "Who are the lucky people 21 00:00:49,924 --> 00:00:51,634 that made this movie?" (LAUGHS) 22 00:00:51,717 --> 00:00:53,886 This shark, swallow you whole. 23 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:56,055 WOMAN 1: Was it good? Very tasty. 24 00:00:56,138 --> 00:00:58,057 Bloody as hell. All these people got eaten up, you know. 25 00:00:58,140 --> 00:00:59,183 They just... Ah! 26 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:01,811 The best I've seen in my life, the best movie. 27 00:01:01,894 --> 00:01:03,437 MAN 2: Fifty years, and we've come so far. 28 00:01:03,521 --> 00:01:06,816 We're still talking about Jaws and the effect and value 29 00:01:06,899 --> 00:01:09,652 of what that movie said and still says. 30 00:01:09,735 --> 00:01:12,697 I'll never forget walking into the theater, 31 00:01:12,780 --> 00:01:14,991 and all the lobby cards were on the wall. 32 00:01:15,074 --> 00:01:18,202 And I thought, (GASPS) "That shark is huge." 33 00:01:19,412 --> 00:01:22,873 Part of the film's charm today is almost the nostalgia factor 34 00:01:22,957 --> 00:01:25,376 of remembering what it was like to see it then. 35 00:01:25,459 --> 00:01:26,794 (SCREAMS) 36 00:01:26,877 --> 00:01:28,629 It was sort of life-changing. 37 00:01:28,713 --> 00:01:30,506 At nine years old, I don't remember 38 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:32,675 having an experience that was that visceral 39 00:01:32,758 --> 00:01:34,302 and that thrilling. 40 00:01:35,761 --> 00:01:38,639 The whole theater reacted like a musical instrument. 41 00:01:39,265 --> 00:01:40,349 Ahhh! 42 00:01:42,101 --> 00:01:43,644 I read the book first, 43 00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:45,146 so I sort of knew what I was gonna see. 44 00:01:45,229 --> 00:01:48,024 MAN 3: Peter Benchley wrote a book called Jaws. 45 00:01:48,107 --> 00:01:49,483 A film was made from the book. 46 00:01:49,567 --> 00:01:51,444 It has already made more money 47 00:01:51,527 --> 00:01:52,737 than any motion picture in history. 48 00:01:52,820 --> 00:01:54,071 (LAUGHS) 49 00:01:54,155 --> 00:01:55,489 It was the first blockbuster. 50 00:01:55,573 --> 00:01:56,907 (SCREAMING) 51 00:01:59,118 --> 00:02:02,121 I've seen Jaws in a theater 31 times. 52 00:02:04,165 --> 00:02:07,835 I was 12, and this started me 53 00:02:07,918 --> 00:02:11,047 thinking about a career in movies. 54 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:12,923 MAN 4: ls this your first time? Ninth time. 55 00:02:13,007 --> 00:02:14,342 Your how many? Nine. 56 00:02:14,425 --> 00:02:15,718 It's the film I've seen the most, 57 00:02:15,801 --> 00:02:18,471 and I could still watch it if it's on any time. 58 00:02:18,554 --> 00:02:19,805 Who are you? Matt Hooper. 59 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:21,515 I'm from the Oceanographic Institute. 60 00:02:22,099 --> 00:02:23,684 I wanted to be Matt Hooper. 61 00:02:23,768 --> 00:02:26,145 I wanted to be a shark scientist. 62 00:02:26,228 --> 00:02:27,480 That's a 20-footer. 63 00:02:27,563 --> 00:02:30,274 Twenty-five. Three tons of him. 64 00:02:30,358 --> 00:02:32,568 WOMAN 2: Jaws has been an inspiration, 65 00:02:32,652 --> 00:02:35,488 and there is a completely different attitude now 66 00:02:35,571 --> 00:02:37,573 about sharks and the ocean. 67 00:02:37,657 --> 00:02:40,910 In 50 years, it's been used in so many different ways. 68 00:02:40,993 --> 00:02:42,912 It was a time when movies 69 00:02:42,995 --> 00:02:46,165 were at the pinnacle of a cultural conversation. 70 00:02:46,248 --> 00:02:48,459 I loved Jaws. I really did. 71 00:02:48,542 --> 00:02:49,960 Because it didn't eat up no Black people. 72 00:02:50,044 --> 00:02:51,253 (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) 73 00:02:51,337 --> 00:02:53,798 You said that there are very few perfect movies. 74 00:02:53,881 --> 00:02:55,716 I think Jaws fits into that. 75 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,426 MAN 5: ls that movie gonna keep you out of the water? 76 00:02:57,510 --> 00:02:59,762 It'll keep me out for a while. (LAUGHS) 77 00:02:59,845 --> 00:03:01,055 I definitely won't be going in now. 78 00:03:01,138 --> 00:03:02,932 MAN 5: Ever again? Never. 79 00:03:03,015 --> 00:03:05,142 I was one of those people who, in a bath, 80 00:03:05,226 --> 00:03:06,477 would have a hard time 81 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,729 not picturing a shark underneath me. 82 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:11,816 NARRATOR: it is as if God created the devil 83 00:03:11,899 --> 00:03:14,527 and gave him Jaws. 84 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:16,779 See it before you go swimming. 85 00:03:17,530 --> 00:03:22,118 For me, the story of Jaws is the fact that a movie 86 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:24,453 that I thought would really end my career 87 00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:26,455 is the film that began it. 88 00:03:41,637 --> 00:03:45,099 INTERVIEWER: Steven, 50 years since Jaws. 89 00:03:45,182 --> 00:03:47,852 When you hear that, what do you think? 90 00:03:48,519 --> 00:03:50,020 When I hear 50 years... 91 00:03:50,771 --> 00:03:52,940 MAN 1: Roll sound. SPIELBERG: ...I think of home. 92 00:03:53,774 --> 00:03:54,775 Because the theme of home 93 00:03:54,859 --> 00:03:58,279 is so consistent with the story of Jaws. 94 00:03:59,989 --> 00:04:01,824 It's about getting home. 95 00:04:01,907 --> 00:04:04,660 (ALL SINGING) Show me the way to go home 96 00:04:04,744 --> 00:04:06,287 SPIELBERG: About returning home... 97 00:04:06,787 --> 00:04:08,456 (SIGHS) Can we go home now? 98 00:04:08,539 --> 00:04:10,291 SPIELBERG: And already being home. 99 00:04:10,374 --> 00:04:11,751 MARTIN BRODY: Want to take him home? 100 00:04:12,334 --> 00:04:13,627 Like to New York? 101 00:04:14,295 --> 00:04:16,297 No, home here. 102 00:04:16,380 --> 00:04:19,049 SPIELBERG: So when I look back at Jaws today, 103 00:04:19,133 --> 00:04:21,969 at those moments of difficulty... 104 00:04:22,052 --> 00:04:23,471 Was there good movement like that? 105 00:04:23,554 --> 00:04:26,599 SPIELBERG: The film wound up 100 days behind schedule. 106 00:04:28,768 --> 00:04:30,394 The shark was not working... 107 00:04:30,478 --> 00:04:31,479 MAN 2: No, cut, cut! 108 00:04:31,562 --> 00:04:34,690 SPIELBERG: ...and I was terrified I was gonna be fired. 109 00:04:35,649 --> 00:04:37,568 All I thought about was going home. (CHUCKLES) 110 00:04:39,570 --> 00:04:42,948 INTERVIEWER: ls there anything that you've never said about Jaws? 111 00:04:44,158 --> 00:04:47,077 (SPIELBERG LAUGHS) Let's find out. 112 00:04:47,828 --> 00:04:50,039 Steven, how old are you? Quantos anos tienes? 113 00:04:50,122 --> 00:04:52,124 Twenty-seven. Veintisiete. 114 00:04:52,208 --> 00:04:53,918 How long have you been in the motion picture industry? 115 00:04:54,001 --> 00:04:55,377 (SPEAKS SPANISH) 116 00:04:55,461 --> 00:04:57,546 ( IN ENGLISH) Oh, I've been professionally making movies 117 00:04:57,630 --> 00:04:58,839 since I was 21. 118 00:04:59,924 --> 00:05:02,176 MAN 3: I have always had an incredible belief 119 00:05:02,259 --> 00:05:04,261 in Steven's ability to do material 120 00:05:04,345 --> 00:05:06,972 that sometimes others questioned. 121 00:05:07,056 --> 00:05:08,307 There may have been occasions 122 00:05:08,390 --> 00:05:10,142 when I had a belief in Steven's ability 123 00:05:10,226 --> 00:05:11,477 to make material that exceeded 124 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,854 Steven's conviction about the material. 125 00:05:13,938 --> 00:05:16,190 And I never had any doubt in my mind 126 00:05:16,273 --> 00:05:18,484 that Steven would do a great job. 127 00:05:19,568 --> 00:05:22,488 MAN 4: Steve used to hang around the film department at USC 128 00:05:23,197 --> 00:05:24,824 and so that's where I met him. 129 00:05:24,907 --> 00:05:25,991 He was always coming over 130 00:05:26,075 --> 00:05:27,660 to see if he could find a cameraman 131 00:05:27,743 --> 00:05:30,287 or somebody who could help him with the student films. 132 00:05:31,330 --> 00:05:33,916 So when Steve did Duel 133 00:05:33,999 --> 00:05:35,751 and it was like a feature film for television, 134 00:05:35,835 --> 00:05:37,586 I said, "Wow, this is fantastic." 135 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:39,797 (TRUCK HONKING) 136 00:05:41,924 --> 00:05:44,927 DEL TORO: Duel opened in Mexico as a feature. 137 00:05:45,010 --> 00:05:47,930 And I remember seeing it in the drive-in, 138 00:05:48,013 --> 00:05:50,057 and people clapped with their horns. 139 00:05:50,140 --> 00:05:51,141 (CHUCKLES) 140 00:05:51,225 --> 00:05:53,102 I met Steven for the first time 141 00:05:53,185 --> 00:05:55,896 when he brought Sugarland Express 142 00:05:55,980 --> 00:05:58,190 to the USC Film School. 143 00:05:58,274 --> 00:06:00,943 WOMAN 1: I want my baby back. 144 00:06:01,735 --> 00:06:03,988 Now, are you gonna help me or not? 145 00:06:04,655 --> 00:06:05,948 ZEMECKIS: I couldn't believe 146 00:06:06,031 --> 00:06:09,076 that this really young filmmaker 147 00:06:09,159 --> 00:06:10,870 made a movie on that scale. 148 00:06:12,288 --> 00:06:13,998 He became instantly my hero. 149 00:06:15,958 --> 00:06:18,878 CROWE: I held filmmakers and directors off 150 00:06:18,961 --> 00:06:21,338 as people that existed in another world. 151 00:06:21,422 --> 00:06:23,674 And I remember feeling like Spielberg was a guy 152 00:06:23,757 --> 00:06:26,719 who was kind of from my side of the world. 153 00:06:26,802 --> 00:06:28,971 And that was the beginning of me feeling like, 154 00:06:29,054 --> 00:06:31,056 "Maybe I could do something like this, too." 155 00:06:31,765 --> 00:06:34,643 He had made his bones as a director 156 00:06:34,727 --> 00:06:36,604 long before he did Jaws. 157 00:06:36,687 --> 00:06:38,522 I think we all felt that this was somebody 158 00:06:38,606 --> 00:06:40,316 who was going places. 159 00:06:40,399 --> 00:06:43,193 But not until Jaws was there any idea 160 00:06:43,277 --> 00:06:44,653 of how big this could get. 161 00:06:44,737 --> 00:06:46,572 I didn't know what I wanted to do next. 162 00:06:47,656 --> 00:06:50,951 I had been wanting to do a UFO movie, 163 00:06:51,035 --> 00:06:53,370 not yet called Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 164 00:06:53,454 --> 00:06:55,456 but that was sort of all I had in my mind. 165 00:06:56,123 --> 00:06:57,750 And I was also in post-production 166 00:06:57,833 --> 00:06:59,460 on Sugarland Express. 167 00:06:59,543 --> 00:07:00,794 I had gone into Richard Zanuck 168 00:07:00,878 --> 00:07:02,671 at his partner David Brown's office 169 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:03,923 many, many times. 170 00:07:04,006 --> 00:07:06,842 When I saw a stack of papers 171 00:07:06,926 --> 00:07:10,262 in the outer office, and it was galleys. 172 00:07:11,096 --> 00:07:12,890 I looked at the top sheet and it said 173 00:07:12,973 --> 00:07:14,850 Jaws by Peter Benchley. 174 00:07:15,434 --> 00:07:18,187 And I had no idea what that meant, Jaws. 175 00:07:18,270 --> 00:07:20,522 I mean, was it the history of dentistry? 176 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:24,860 I read it and I was enthralled. 177 00:07:25,819 --> 00:07:28,030 And if I read Peter Benchley's Jaws 178 00:07:28,113 --> 00:07:29,448 for the first time right now, 179 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:31,700 I would have the same rush of excitement 180 00:07:31,784 --> 00:07:34,203 that I had when I first read the galleys. 181 00:07:34,286 --> 00:07:37,373 Because, in a way, Jaws was a sequel to Duel. 182 00:07:38,332 --> 00:07:43,379 Duel was this murderous leviathan on the highway 183 00:07:43,462 --> 00:07:45,839 trying to kill this traveling salesman 184 00:07:45,923 --> 00:07:47,257 in a little car. 185 00:07:47,341 --> 00:07:52,346 And Jaws is the story of this leviathan of the sea 186 00:07:52,429 --> 00:07:56,892 that is rending this seaside resort into bankruptcy 187 00:07:56,976 --> 00:07:58,978 unless they hire somebody to kill the threat. 188 00:08:02,106 --> 00:08:03,899 When I wrote a novel called Jaws, 189 00:08:03,983 --> 00:08:06,193 I was faced with a fascinating challenge. 190 00:08:06,276 --> 00:08:09,196 How to describe the instincts of an ancient animal 191 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:10,739 that threatens modern man 192 00:08:10,823 --> 00:08:12,408 with the most horrible of deaths. 193 00:08:12,491 --> 00:08:15,953 Most people, when they hear about Jaws and they realize 194 00:08:16,036 --> 00:08:17,913 what a culture-changing event that was, 195 00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:20,833 they want to know, how did my dad come up with the idea? 196 00:08:21,417 --> 00:08:23,419 What I've always heard from him was, 197 00:08:23,502 --> 00:08:25,504 growing up as a New York City boy, 198 00:08:25,587 --> 00:08:26,880 born and raised in New York... 199 00:08:26,964 --> 00:08:29,133 He also spent the summers in Nantucket 200 00:08:29,216 --> 00:08:30,426 fishing with his dad. 201 00:08:31,051 --> 00:08:33,679 I grew up on a neighboring island, Nantucket, 202 00:08:33,762 --> 00:08:35,514 where I first encountered sharks. 203 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:38,684 We used to fish for swordfish, but they were rare, 204 00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:40,519 and we caught sharks instead. 205 00:08:42,021 --> 00:08:43,897 Not only did he see a lot of sharks 206 00:08:43,981 --> 00:08:45,983 when he was fishing with his dad, 207 00:08:46,066 --> 00:08:48,318 but he also knew what it was like 208 00:08:48,402 --> 00:08:49,570 to live on an island. 209 00:08:50,696 --> 00:08:53,574 Our father explained what it means to grow up 210 00:08:53,657 --> 00:08:55,951 in a community like Amity or Nantucket, 211 00:08:56,660 --> 00:08:58,662 and he talked about islanders. 212 00:08:58,746 --> 00:09:01,915 And by islander, I don't mean a year-rounder. 213 00:09:01,999 --> 00:09:04,334 To be an Islander, you have to have been born here, 214 00:09:04,418 --> 00:09:06,086 and nothing short of reincarnation 215 00:09:06,170 --> 00:09:07,755 can change your status. 216 00:09:07,838 --> 00:09:09,339 When do I get to become an Islander? 217 00:09:09,423 --> 00:09:11,550 Ellen, never. Never! 218 00:09:11,633 --> 00:09:14,011 Before writing Jaws, I had had very little experience 219 00:09:14,094 --> 00:09:15,471 in the water with sharks. 220 00:09:15,554 --> 00:09:17,139 I knew a lot about them academically. 221 00:09:17,222 --> 00:09:18,807 I'd studied them since I was a child, 222 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:21,310 but I really had no experience with sharks at all underwater. 223 00:09:21,393 --> 00:09:23,729 And then Blue Water, White Death came out. 224 00:09:23,812 --> 00:09:24,897 MAN 1: Oh, he's gotta be 12. 225 00:09:24,980 --> 00:09:26,982 MAN 2: Yeah, at least 12. Look at his back. 226 00:09:27,066 --> 00:09:28,525 BOTH: Oh! 227 00:09:29,193 --> 00:09:31,987 I first started diving in the early '50s, 228 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:33,614 and then a little bit later on, 229 00:09:33,697 --> 00:09:35,699 I got a 16-millimeter movie camera 230 00:09:35,783 --> 00:09:38,160 and was shooting film for television, 231 00:09:38,243 --> 00:09:40,621 and people wanted to see sharks. 232 00:09:41,705 --> 00:09:43,999 WOMAN 2: it was in about 1965 or '67 233 00:09:44,083 --> 00:09:46,794 where we first started to work with great white sharks. 234 00:09:47,419 --> 00:09:49,463 Nobody else in the world had ever done it before. 235 00:09:49,546 --> 00:09:51,840 There, look at him. Sitting on top of the cage. 236 00:09:51,924 --> 00:09:54,343 Eventually, Peter Gimbel wanted to make a film, 237 00:09:54,426 --> 00:09:57,179 and he employed us to work on it. 238 00:09:57,262 --> 00:10:00,057 You couldn't believe. It's fantastic. 239 00:10:00,641 --> 00:10:03,352 Peter Benchley saw Blue Water, White Death 240 00:10:03,435 --> 00:10:05,687 and that was one of the reasons 241 00:10:05,771 --> 00:10:07,981 that he got the idea for writing Jaws. 242 00:10:09,483 --> 00:10:12,486 Peter also had seen Frank Mundus, 243 00:10:12,569 --> 00:10:17,741 who caught a huge 4,500-pound, 18-foot shark 244 00:10:17,825 --> 00:10:19,243 off of Long Island. 245 00:10:19,326 --> 00:10:21,620 So Peter, with his imagination, 246 00:10:21,703 --> 00:10:23,956 put all of that together and thought, 247 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,875 "What would it be like if one of those sharks 248 00:10:26,959 --> 00:10:30,254 "just randomly decided to stay in one place?" 249 00:10:31,463 --> 00:10:33,382 SKERRY: Peter eventually researched the science. 250 00:10:33,465 --> 00:10:35,926 He knew these animals, he understood their behavior. 251 00:10:36,009 --> 00:10:39,012 But if you read the book, the animal is not a villain. 252 00:10:39,096 --> 00:10:41,056 It is doing what it does. 253 00:10:41,598 --> 00:10:44,393 And he created characters who could represent 254 00:10:44,476 --> 00:10:47,187 both a hardened shark fisherman like Quint... 255 00:10:47,271 --> 00:10:49,773 I wrote the character of Quint as a man who begins 256 00:10:49,857 --> 00:10:51,233 with great contempt for sharks, 257 00:10:51,316 --> 00:10:53,360 and is finally obsessed with 258 00:10:53,443 --> 00:10:55,362 and driven to kill this particular one. 259 00:10:55,445 --> 00:10:58,782 SKERRY: And he created a PhD scientist like Hooper 260 00:10:58,866 --> 00:11:01,285 who understands this is just an animal. 261 00:11:01,368 --> 00:11:04,288 That doesn't make it good or bad, it just is. 262 00:11:04,371 --> 00:11:05,914 It's part of nature. 263 00:11:05,998 --> 00:11:07,791 Peter filled in all these other stories 264 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:10,294 about Brody and his wife and the affair with Hooper 265 00:11:10,377 --> 00:11:11,920 and all the stuff with the Mafia 266 00:11:12,004 --> 00:11:15,132 because that added texture and depth to the story. 267 00:11:16,341 --> 00:11:17,509 WENDY: Really, one of the most 268 00:11:17,593 --> 00:11:19,428 humorous things, though, about the book, 269 00:11:19,511 --> 00:11:20,762 was finding the title. 270 00:11:24,308 --> 00:11:27,519 There are several pages of suggested titles, 271 00:11:27,603 --> 00:11:29,438 and Peter and Wendy and our parents 272 00:11:29,521 --> 00:11:31,398 were struggling over what to call it. 273 00:11:31,481 --> 00:11:35,277 Oh, we had pretentious ones like "Leviathan Rising," 274 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,113 and then we had ones... "The Terror of the Deep." 275 00:11:39,323 --> 00:11:40,824 And Peter's father said, 276 00:11:40,908 --> 00:11:42,159 "I know what we should call it." 277 00:11:42,242 --> 00:11:44,912 "What's That Noshin' On My Leg?" 278 00:11:44,995 --> 00:11:46,455 (LAUGHS) 279 00:11:48,081 --> 00:11:49,666 And this went on for months. 280 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:51,418 None of them quite worked. 281 00:11:51,501 --> 00:11:53,837 NAT: The day the book was to go to press, 282 00:11:53,921 --> 00:11:56,006 Tom Congdon from Doubleday said, 283 00:11:56,089 --> 00:11:57,424 "I hate to bother you about this, 284 00:11:57,507 --> 00:11:58,759 "but we kind of need a title." 285 00:11:58,842 --> 00:12:00,761 Peter said. "Yeah, we've been worrying about that, 286 00:12:00,844 --> 00:12:02,846 "and the only thing that comes to mind 287 00:12:02,930 --> 00:12:05,933 "that has pleased everybody is the word 'jaws."' 288 00:12:07,851 --> 00:12:10,229 Congdon said, "Okay, what's it mean?" 289 00:12:10,729 --> 00:12:12,272 He said, "I don't know, but it's short." 290 00:12:17,611 --> 00:12:21,156 The cover of Jaws was really difficult. 291 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,117 The dust jackets for the books evolved. 292 00:12:24,785 --> 00:12:26,536 The first one was Amity, 293 00:12:26,620 --> 00:12:29,665 like an idyllic island in between the shark jaws. 294 00:12:31,208 --> 00:12:32,668 And they scrapped that one. 295 00:12:32,751 --> 00:12:36,964 And then they did a version of the shark underneath her. 296 00:12:37,047 --> 00:12:39,258 And the shark wasn't very scary. 297 00:12:39,341 --> 00:12:41,343 It was a little too phallic-looking. 298 00:12:41,426 --> 00:12:43,845 You know, what you wanna say is a penis with teeth, right? 299 00:12:43,929 --> 00:12:46,431 That's exactly what it looked like. (CHUCKLES) 300 00:12:47,349 --> 00:12:49,559 NICOTERO: And that's when Roger Kastel came in 301 00:12:49,643 --> 00:12:53,313 and created that painting for the paperback. 302 00:12:53,855 --> 00:12:56,566 And then Universal used the same painting, 303 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:59,695 which is probably one of the perfect movie posters. 304 00:13:00,612 --> 00:13:05,826 Jaws was rocketing up the bestseller list in 1974. 305 00:13:06,743 --> 00:13:08,537 And then when the paperback came out, 306 00:13:08,620 --> 00:13:11,081 it was a multi-million bestseller. 307 00:13:15,043 --> 00:13:17,671 Peter just wanted to get a novel written, 308 00:13:17,754 --> 00:13:19,381 and when his agent came and said 309 00:13:19,464 --> 00:13:21,717 the movie people were interested in optioning it, 310 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:23,802 he said, "I don't care. Sell them the option." 311 00:13:24,761 --> 00:13:26,138 WENDY: it was Helen Gurley Brown 312 00:13:26,221 --> 00:13:28,849 who was the editor of Cosmopolitan magazine, 313 00:13:28,932 --> 00:13:31,893 who gave it to her husband, David Brown, a producer. 314 00:13:32,436 --> 00:13:34,563 And he and Richard Zanuck bought it, 315 00:13:34,646 --> 00:13:36,732 and the rest is history 316 00:13:36,815 --> 00:13:38,233 Just by reading the book, the last... 317 00:13:38,317 --> 00:13:40,360 I think it was 110 pages of the novel, 318 00:13:40,444 --> 00:13:41,486 the hunt for the shark. 319 00:13:41,611 --> 00:13:43,780 It was so enthralling and so suspenseful. MAN: Yeah. 320 00:13:43,864 --> 00:13:45,490 You know, it's frightened me so much. 321 00:13:46,074 --> 00:13:47,784 And I was so angry at being frightened, 322 00:13:47,868 --> 00:13:49,119 that I wanted to frighten back. 323 00:13:49,202 --> 00:13:50,787 "I'll make this movie and scare them all back." 324 00:13:52,205 --> 00:13:53,248 SPIELBERG: When I read it, 325 00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:55,208 I went to Dick and David's office on Monday 326 00:13:55,292 --> 00:13:56,752 and I said, "Do you have a director? 327 00:13:56,835 --> 00:13:58,003 "Because I would love to direct this." 328 00:13:58,086 --> 00:13:59,379 And they said, "Oh, my goodness, 329 00:13:59,463 --> 00:14:01,256 "there's already a director assigned." 330 00:14:01,965 --> 00:14:03,675 Peter was part of the process 331 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,095 of interviewing various people to be the director, 332 00:14:07,179 --> 00:14:09,931 and remember that there was one director 333 00:14:10,015 --> 00:14:12,642 who called the shark a whale all the time. 334 00:14:12,726 --> 00:14:13,852 So he was out. 335 00:14:13,935 --> 00:14:15,562 (PHONE RINGING) 336 00:14:15,645 --> 00:14:18,148 SPIELBERG: A week or so later, Dick and David called me 337 00:14:18,231 --> 00:14:19,316 and they said, 338 00:14:19,399 --> 00:14:21,109 "It's available. Do you still want to do it? 339 00:14:21,860 --> 00:14:23,445 I was as hungry, as the shark was hungry, 340 00:14:23,528 --> 00:14:25,072 to tell the story of Jaws. 341 00:14:25,781 --> 00:14:27,324 And I didn't know how it was going to be done, 342 00:14:27,407 --> 00:14:28,700 how it could be done. 343 00:14:29,284 --> 00:14:32,954 But my instincts told me that it needed authenticity 344 00:14:33,038 --> 00:14:34,998 so the shark wouldn't get laughed at. 345 00:14:36,291 --> 00:14:38,043 When I made Duel, the studio tried to get me 346 00:14:38,126 --> 00:14:39,503 to do the whole thing on process stage 347 00:14:39,586 --> 00:14:41,671 with screens out the windows of the car. 348 00:14:41,755 --> 00:14:44,466 And I basically said I'd rather not make Duel 349 00:14:44,549 --> 00:14:46,301 if I have to go and do it all fake 350 00:14:46,385 --> 00:14:48,512 on a soundstage, using rear projection. 351 00:14:48,595 --> 00:14:50,389 And I felt the same way about Jaws. 352 00:14:50,472 --> 00:14:53,308 I wanted to go to the natural environment, 353 00:14:53,392 --> 00:14:55,394 so there was some kind of verisimilitude, 354 00:14:55,477 --> 00:14:58,021 so it needed to be in the ocean, out to sea. 355 00:14:58,105 --> 00:15:00,732 And so I knew somehow it had to be done on location. 356 00:15:02,150 --> 00:15:03,819 You know as an audience member, 357 00:15:03,902 --> 00:15:05,987 when something is real and when something is not. 358 00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:09,699 And that choice to shoot in open water, 359 00:15:09,783 --> 00:15:11,493 the audience wins. 360 00:15:11,576 --> 00:15:14,121 Because when you see these characters 361 00:15:14,204 --> 00:15:16,415 surrounded in complete isolation, 362 00:15:16,498 --> 00:15:20,043 the loneliness of them, we feel that, we're scared. 363 00:15:20,127 --> 00:15:22,129 If you really think about Jaws, 364 00:15:22,212 --> 00:15:26,091 it really is an exercise in pushing the boundaries. 365 00:15:26,967 --> 00:15:30,637 Like, they could have made that movie on the backlot or in a tank, 366 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,806 and it would have been a very, very different movie. 367 00:15:32,889 --> 00:15:35,267 But they were pushing the art form. 368 00:15:35,350 --> 00:15:38,520 At the same time as Jaws was made, 369 00:15:38,603 --> 00:15:42,649 you saw this new crop of unbelievable talent 370 00:15:42,732 --> 00:15:45,026 coming in to Hollywood in the '70s 371 00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:46,653 that challenged every assumption 372 00:15:46,736 --> 00:15:48,947 of what was possible, and challenged everything. 373 00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:50,657 1974. 374 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:51,783 (PEOPLE LAUGHING) 375 00:15:51,867 --> 00:15:54,703 In 1974, when I started making Jaws, 376 00:15:54,786 --> 00:15:57,164 my focus was trying to figure out 377 00:15:57,247 --> 00:15:58,582 how to adapt the novel. 378 00:15:58,665 --> 00:16:01,334 I had never experienced adapting a novel before. 379 00:16:01,418 --> 00:16:03,462 And Peter Benchley wrote the first three drafts of the screenplay, 380 00:16:03,545 --> 00:16:05,797 admitted that a screenplay and a novel 381 00:16:05,881 --> 00:16:07,215 are two different kettles of fish. 382 00:16:08,133 --> 00:16:11,219 That was a completely different kind of writing for him. 383 00:16:11,303 --> 00:16:13,972 So he put a lot of effort into the screenplay 384 00:16:14,055 --> 00:16:16,099 and did it a couple of different times. 385 00:16:16,183 --> 00:16:18,143 And then various other writers came in. 386 00:16:18,768 --> 00:16:21,646 David Brown said, "Why not Howard Sackler? 387 00:16:21,730 --> 00:16:22,731 "He's a great writer. 388 00:16:22,814 --> 00:16:25,108 "He won a Pulitzer for The Great White Hope." 389 00:16:25,192 --> 00:16:27,777 I was thinking Great White Hope, great white shark. 390 00:16:27,861 --> 00:16:29,362 That makes sense. 391 00:16:29,863 --> 00:16:31,448 He created the structure. 392 00:16:31,531 --> 00:16:34,075 And then after that, for a comedy punch up, 393 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:36,745 I wanted to bring my friend Carl Gottlieb along 394 00:16:36,828 --> 00:16:39,122 to just try to find some lightness and some humor 395 00:16:39,206 --> 00:16:41,291 between these three disparate characters. 396 00:16:41,416 --> 00:16:43,210 The mate. Where's the mate? The mate is dead. We'll have to... 397 00:16:43,293 --> 00:16:45,170 Where's the body? Why is the boat torn to pieces? 398 00:16:45,253 --> 00:16:46,463 Because it's a great white shark. 399 00:16:46,546 --> 00:16:49,257 GOTTLIEB: Nice thing was, I was able to write a nice part for myself. 400 00:16:49,341 --> 00:16:51,259 I play Meadows, the editor of the newspaper. 401 00:16:51,343 --> 00:16:53,094 I want to get on the state wire services, 402 00:16:53,178 --> 00:16:55,222 see if Boston will pick it up and go national. 403 00:16:55,305 --> 00:16:56,640 Call Dave Axelrod in New York, 404 00:16:56,723 --> 00:16:58,266 tell him he owes me a favor, all right? 405 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:00,310 And Steven sent me a script 406 00:17:00,393 --> 00:17:03,271 with a note on the cover saying, "Eviscerate it." 407 00:17:04,105 --> 00:17:06,149 We decided to lose the love interest 408 00:17:06,233 --> 00:17:07,734 because it was in a movie 409 00:17:07,817 --> 00:17:09,277 that was a straight-line adventure film 410 00:17:09,361 --> 00:17:10,737 about the shark and the town 411 00:17:10,820 --> 00:17:13,073 and the, uh... the, uh... the hunt. 412 00:17:13,156 --> 00:17:17,452 The film became much more a story of Chief Brody, 413 00:17:17,536 --> 00:17:21,498 a kind of reluctant hero, in this case, 414 00:17:21,581 --> 00:17:24,626 tested by the elements, by nature itself. 415 00:17:24,709 --> 00:17:26,628 This is a great white, Larry, a big one. 416 00:17:26,711 --> 00:17:28,630 And any shark expert in the world will tell you 417 00:17:28,713 --> 00:17:29,881 it's a killer. It's a man eater. 418 00:17:31,424 --> 00:17:33,635 CAMERON: The great white shark was not well-understood 419 00:17:33,718 --> 00:17:36,471 by the public at large when the film first came out. 420 00:17:36,555 --> 00:17:39,182 And it became this kind of mythical beast. 421 00:17:39,266 --> 00:17:40,934 What we are dealing with here 422 00:17:41,017 --> 00:17:42,143 is a perfect engine, 423 00:17:42,227 --> 00:17:44,354 uh, an eating machine. 424 00:17:45,021 --> 00:17:47,691 MAN: I've never seen anything as perfect as a great white shark. 425 00:17:48,316 --> 00:17:49,401 What really strikes you 426 00:17:49,484 --> 00:17:50,986 when you see a great white shark in person 427 00:17:51,069 --> 00:17:52,612 is not just how long they can be, 428 00:17:52,696 --> 00:17:54,447 but how big around they are. 429 00:17:56,283 --> 00:17:59,202 Great whites are one of the most epic predators 430 00:17:59,286 --> 00:18:01,037 that you'll ever find in the wild. 431 00:18:01,121 --> 00:18:04,249 They're essentially governors in the way that they control 432 00:18:04,332 --> 00:18:07,377 the sizes of all the populations beneath them. 433 00:18:07,460 --> 00:18:09,713 VAUGHN: And what did you say the name of the shark is? 434 00:18:09,796 --> 00:18:11,881 It's a carcharodon carcharias. It's a great white. 435 00:18:13,592 --> 00:18:16,219 The great white shark is a species 436 00:18:16,303 --> 00:18:19,180 that has been described all over the world 437 00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:20,557 in many different ways. 438 00:18:21,933 --> 00:18:24,978 From man eater to white pointer 439 00:18:26,104 --> 00:18:27,480 to great white shark. 440 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:32,319 I remember seeing the shark in Jaws for the first time 441 00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:33,862 and being completely blown away 442 00:18:33,945 --> 00:18:36,948 at how realistic it looked, how large it was, 443 00:18:37,032 --> 00:18:39,618 how impressive and truly authentic 444 00:18:39,701 --> 00:18:42,287 to what white sharks actually look like. 445 00:18:43,288 --> 00:18:46,625 This animal still looks just as good as anything 446 00:18:46,708 --> 00:18:48,585 that's coming out today if not better, 447 00:18:48,668 --> 00:18:51,421 relying almost exclusively on practical effects. 448 00:18:54,716 --> 00:18:56,843 INTERVIEWER: So, Joe, tell me, where are we? 449 00:18:58,136 --> 00:19:00,347 ALVES: Well, this is what I call the art department. 450 00:19:01,514 --> 00:19:03,266 This is sort of my home base. 451 00:19:09,939 --> 00:19:13,777 These are the concept sketches that I did early on 452 00:19:13,860 --> 00:19:15,820 before we had a finished script. 453 00:19:16,863 --> 00:19:19,616 What happened was David Brown called me 454 00:19:19,699 --> 00:19:21,785 and he said, "Joe, we think Jaws 455 00:19:21,868 --> 00:19:23,578 "might make a damn good movie 456 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:25,413 "if we could sort of illustrate 457 00:19:25,497 --> 00:19:26,915 "the activity of the shark." 458 00:19:27,957 --> 00:19:31,711 So he said, "Just give me a couple dozen illustrations 459 00:19:31,795 --> 00:19:33,546 "of the shark activity." 460 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:36,424 I pretty well did these as it's described 461 00:19:36,508 --> 00:19:37,967 in the galley sheets. 462 00:19:39,219 --> 00:19:42,972 Joe Alves designed drawings of a shark 463 00:19:43,056 --> 00:19:44,432 that he could put up against the wall 464 00:19:44,516 --> 00:19:45,517 in a production office. 465 00:19:46,142 --> 00:19:48,228 He did an 18-foot long shark. 466 00:19:48,812 --> 00:19:51,272 He did a 26-foot long shark. 467 00:19:51,356 --> 00:19:53,316 He did a 32-foot long shark. 468 00:19:54,567 --> 00:19:56,569 These are full-size drawings. 469 00:19:56,653 --> 00:19:58,154 And we had to evaluate, 470 00:19:58,238 --> 00:20:00,115 "Which one do we commit to, which one do we build?" 471 00:20:00,198 --> 00:20:03,451 And for me, the 18-foot shark was not that intimidating. 472 00:20:04,077 --> 00:20:08,748 But the 32-foot long shark was not realistic, 473 00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:10,750 and it would've turned the genre of the film 474 00:20:10,834 --> 00:20:12,460 into science fantasy. 475 00:20:13,420 --> 00:20:16,464 The 26-foot-long shark was just right, 476 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:17,549 I thought, for Jaws. 477 00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:22,178 ALVES: October 1st, 1973. 478 00:20:22,262 --> 00:20:24,597 Marshall Green had a meeting. 479 00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:26,975 He was the head of production at Universal. 480 00:20:27,058 --> 00:20:29,811 And he said, "Okay, Joe, can you make the shark?" 481 00:20:29,894 --> 00:20:32,313 I says, "Yeah, I certainly could try." 482 00:20:32,397 --> 00:20:34,816 He says, "Okay, find somebody and make it off the lot. 483 00:20:34,899 --> 00:20:36,985 And somebody recommended Bob Mattey, 484 00:20:37,068 --> 00:20:39,320 and I found Bob and put a crew together. 485 00:20:39,446 --> 00:20:42,073 To the ingenious shark building team. Cheers. 486 00:20:42,157 --> 00:20:44,659 Bob and Whitey. Yeah. 487 00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:46,828 Whitey doesn't like to turn around and look at the camera, 488 00:20:46,911 --> 00:20:48,496 he's camera shy. ( INDISTINCT) 489 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:50,623 Right. Okay, just for Steve. 490 00:20:50,749 --> 00:20:51,958 Final pose here. (LAUGHS) 491 00:20:52,041 --> 00:20:53,168 One in a million. 492 00:20:53,251 --> 00:20:54,753 ALVES: We got seven in the crew. 493 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:56,379 I called them the Magnificent Seven. 494 00:20:56,463 --> 00:20:58,965 MAN: Joe Alves? (GROANS) Yes. 495 00:20:59,883 --> 00:21:01,342 And we started building the shark. 496 00:21:04,137 --> 00:21:06,473 Bob Mattey was taken out of retirement 497 00:21:06,556 --> 00:21:07,849 to create the creature, 498 00:21:07,932 --> 00:21:10,685 the great white shark and its many incarnations. 499 00:21:11,394 --> 00:21:14,856 ALVES: What we needed was a shark to go left to right, 500 00:21:14,939 --> 00:21:16,691 and one to go right to left. 501 00:21:17,942 --> 00:21:19,819 And then one on a big crane. 502 00:21:21,488 --> 00:21:23,698 So we had three sharks to build. 503 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:28,369 BROWN: A shed was set up in the San Fernando Valley. 504 00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:29,954 It was like making Apollo. 505 00:21:30,038 --> 00:21:32,248 It was like a new invention. 506 00:21:32,999 --> 00:21:34,834 NICOTERO: Bob Mattey, he had the chops. 507 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,546 And the fact that he had built all this other great stuff, 508 00:21:39,464 --> 00:21:42,550 like the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea giant squid. 509 00:21:43,343 --> 00:21:44,594 He knew how to build it. 510 00:21:44,677 --> 00:21:47,013 So, yeah, in theory, it'll work. 511 00:21:47,847 --> 00:21:50,099 SPIELBERG: I thought it'd be fun to nickname the shark 512 00:21:50,183 --> 00:21:51,768 after my attorney, Bruce Ramer. 513 00:21:51,851 --> 00:21:53,895 So I started calling the shark Bruce. 514 00:21:53,978 --> 00:21:55,688 And then in the shark shed, 515 00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:58,274 where Whitey and Bob Mattey everybody else was working, 516 00:21:58,358 --> 00:22:00,068 they started calling the shark Bruce. 517 00:22:00,151 --> 00:22:02,904 And then everybody forgot why it was being called Bruce. 518 00:22:02,987 --> 00:22:04,447 It just was named Bruce. 519 00:22:05,281 --> 00:22:06,741 CAMERON: The film happened to come out at a time 520 00:22:06,825 --> 00:22:09,410 when I was really teaching myself 521 00:22:09,494 --> 00:22:11,871 how visual effects and mechanical effects 522 00:22:11,955 --> 00:22:13,706 and makeup effects were done. 523 00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:15,375 Like Bruce, like the shark in Jaws. 524 00:22:15,458 --> 00:22:16,918 Because I wanted a career in that business. 525 00:22:17,001 --> 00:22:18,711 And I just loved all that stuff. 526 00:22:19,712 --> 00:22:22,757 As a constructor of animatronics and puppets, 527 00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:25,802 to operate in that scale with basically hydraulic 528 00:22:25,885 --> 00:22:28,054 and incredibly powerful machinery, 529 00:22:28,721 --> 00:22:30,473 that is remarkable. 530 00:22:32,183 --> 00:22:35,270 Basically, I was doing a lot of research with sharks, 531 00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:38,690 and talked to Ron and Valerie Taylor. 532 00:22:38,773 --> 00:22:39,899 SPIELBERG: Ron and Valerie Taylor, 533 00:22:39,983 --> 00:22:42,652 I knew well from the documentary, Blue Water, White Death. 534 00:22:43,319 --> 00:22:45,238 And I wanted them to bless our production. 535 00:22:45,321 --> 00:22:48,116 I also wanted them to be able to work on the film. 536 00:22:48,199 --> 00:22:49,701 And I said to them, "Was there any way 537 00:22:49,784 --> 00:22:52,078 "we can get actual great white footage 538 00:22:52,161 --> 00:22:53,997 "that I could intercut with a mechanical shark?" 539 00:22:55,206 --> 00:22:56,833 And they said, "Absolutely. 540 00:22:56,916 --> 00:22:59,752 "We'll go to the Great Barrier Reef off of Australia, 541 00:22:59,836 --> 00:23:02,046 "and we'll get the footage that you need." 542 00:23:02,130 --> 00:23:04,215 He simply left it up to Valerie and I 543 00:23:04,299 --> 00:23:05,758 to get what we could 544 00:23:05,842 --> 00:23:07,343 according to the script. 545 00:23:07,427 --> 00:23:10,430 He basically realized at that time 546 00:23:10,513 --> 00:23:12,682 that there would be the possibility 547 00:23:12,765 --> 00:23:14,976 that he would have to shoot around what we got 548 00:23:15,059 --> 00:23:17,520 because it's a wild animal, 549 00:23:17,604 --> 00:23:19,397 and they just don't do what you want them to. 550 00:23:23,192 --> 00:23:25,111 ALVES: Back on the lot, the studio said, 551 00:23:25,194 --> 00:23:26,613 "We're going to start shooting this movie 552 00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:28,156 "in the next month." 553 00:23:28,239 --> 00:23:30,283 And I'm saying, "Wait a minute. 554 00:23:30,366 --> 00:23:32,827 "I have a year and a half to build the shark." 555 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:33,995 "No, you don't. 556 00:23:34,078 --> 00:23:37,332 "We're going to start shooting because the book's so popular." 557 00:23:37,415 --> 00:23:39,042 That's all they care about, is the money. 558 00:23:39,125 --> 00:23:41,544 They don't have any idea what we're doing, 559 00:23:41,628 --> 00:23:43,504 how complicated it was. No. 560 00:23:43,588 --> 00:23:46,883 So Steven got them to postpone it until May. 561 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:48,593 SPIELBERG: I remember going out there 562 00:23:48,676 --> 00:23:50,637 with John Milius and George Lucas, 563 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,890 and John stuck his head in the shark and said, 564 00:23:53,973 --> 00:23:55,767 "Okay, close the jaws!" 565 00:23:56,476 --> 00:23:58,478 And I was screaming "Don't close the jaws! 566 00:23:58,561 --> 00:24:00,229 "John, get out of the shark!" 567 00:24:00,855 --> 00:24:03,107 A bunch of us went and visited Steven, 568 00:24:03,191 --> 00:24:06,152 and he wanted to show us the construction of the shark, 569 00:24:06,235 --> 00:24:07,654 which was impressive. 570 00:24:07,737 --> 00:24:09,489 So I thought, "Great, this'll be a good movie." 571 00:24:09,572 --> 00:24:12,325 And it was obvious it was going to be a big hit. 572 00:24:12,825 --> 00:24:14,661 SPIELBERG: George looked at the shark and said, 573 00:24:14,744 --> 00:24:17,372 "Wow, this is gonna be the most successful movie ever made." 574 00:24:17,455 --> 00:24:18,873 And I, of course, looked at George like, 575 00:24:18,957 --> 00:24:20,333 "Well, from your lips to..." You know. 576 00:24:20,416 --> 00:24:21,751 But I didn't believe that. 577 00:24:23,002 --> 00:24:25,838 We never, until the last minute, 578 00:24:25,922 --> 00:24:30,218 had a script that was to everybody's liking, 579 00:24:30,885 --> 00:24:35,723 and the studio wanted us to go ahead before some strike. 580 00:24:36,265 --> 00:24:38,851 And so we were forced to go on the location, 581 00:24:38,935 --> 00:24:40,645 forced to start shooting. 582 00:24:40,728 --> 00:24:43,064 And he had some serious reservations 583 00:24:43,147 --> 00:24:44,691 whether we were doing the right thing. 584 00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:50,238 We did not go into this picture fully prepared. 585 00:24:53,741 --> 00:24:55,785 CAMERON: In the first frames of the movie, 586 00:24:55,868 --> 00:24:58,579 you are a shark and you're just hunting. 587 00:24:58,663 --> 00:25:01,749 It really shows you what's possible in cinema. 588 00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:05,044 And so my favorite scene in the film is the opening. 589 00:25:08,297 --> 00:25:10,133 LUCAS: The opening is sensational. 590 00:25:10,967 --> 00:25:13,511 Really sets you up... like that. 591 00:25:14,387 --> 00:25:16,597 Where are we going? Swimming! 592 00:25:17,306 --> 00:25:19,434 PEELE: The opening of a film is everything. 593 00:25:20,727 --> 00:25:22,103 If you don't get that part right, 594 00:25:22,186 --> 00:25:23,271 the rest of it doesn't matter. 595 00:25:24,188 --> 00:25:26,858 The opening of Jaws, it's simple, 596 00:25:26,941 --> 00:25:29,402 and it may be the most violent scene in the film, 597 00:25:29,986 --> 00:25:31,446 and at the same time, 598 00:25:31,529 --> 00:25:34,532 it is one that obscures the monster. 599 00:25:35,825 --> 00:25:37,618 (PANTING) 600 00:25:41,122 --> 00:25:43,958 SPIELBERG: In the original script that Peter Benchley did, 601 00:25:44,042 --> 00:25:45,418 we did show the shark. 602 00:25:46,836 --> 00:25:48,963 But the shark was down, getting repaired. 603 00:25:50,381 --> 00:25:52,884 And it was dawning on me that things were scarier 604 00:25:52,967 --> 00:25:54,844 without the shark than with the shark. 605 00:25:54,927 --> 00:25:56,137 (SCREAMS) 606 00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:58,890 I always kind of relate my scene in Jaws 607 00:25:58,973 --> 00:26:00,600 to the scene in Psycho. 608 00:26:01,142 --> 00:26:03,019 The lady in the shower, 609 00:26:03,102 --> 00:26:06,064 because it's that kind of horrifying thing 610 00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:07,690 that comes out of nowhere. 611 00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:10,818 And I think a lot of what made the scene very, very scary 612 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:13,654 was the fact that you knew what was down there 613 00:26:13,738 --> 00:26:15,114 and you knew what was happening, 614 00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:16,491 but you couldn't see it. 615 00:26:17,784 --> 00:26:21,287 SPIELBERG: The one filmmaker that influenced me the most 616 00:26:21,370 --> 00:26:23,456 in the making of Jaws was Alfred Hitchcock. 617 00:26:24,248 --> 00:26:27,335 What Alfred Hitchcock could do with the power of suggestion, 618 00:26:27,418 --> 00:26:29,253 I thought, "if just a little bit of that 619 00:26:29,337 --> 00:26:31,339 "could be sprinkled on my mojo, 620 00:26:32,131 --> 00:26:33,382 "then maybe I could make Jaws 621 00:26:33,466 --> 00:26:36,719 "with a real tip of my cap toward Hitch." 622 00:26:37,845 --> 00:26:41,099 PEELE: The whole question of Jaws is "How big is it? 623 00:26:41,974 --> 00:26:44,769 "What does this fish really look like underneath?" 624 00:26:44,852 --> 00:26:47,021 And throughout the film, 625 00:26:47,105 --> 00:26:49,357 he gives us a little bit more of a taste as we go. 626 00:26:51,442 --> 00:26:53,402 When we were shooting the scene, 627 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,029 she had a harness on, 628 00:26:55,113 --> 00:26:57,532 and so we had a line that would go 629 00:26:57,615 --> 00:27:00,576 to five people on one rope, 630 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:03,079 and five people on another rope. 631 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,082 I wanted this effect. 632 00:27:06,999 --> 00:27:08,626 Back and forth. 633 00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:11,462 And I thought it would be a lot scarier 634 00:27:11,546 --> 00:27:13,589 if we see the force 635 00:27:13,673 --> 00:27:16,467 of how the shark is carrying her across the water. 636 00:27:16,551 --> 00:27:18,636 I will never forget the opening sequence, 637 00:27:18,719 --> 00:27:22,098 where she is dragged ruthlessly through the ocean, 638 00:27:22,181 --> 00:27:24,392 and the different camera perspectives 639 00:27:24,475 --> 00:27:26,269 and how she's being pulled away from us, 640 00:27:26,352 --> 00:27:29,564 powerless to this threat beneath the surface. 641 00:27:29,647 --> 00:27:34,026 If they're willing to do that three minutes into the movie, 642 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:37,530 what else are they willing to do? 643 00:27:37,613 --> 00:27:40,116 (SCREAMING) Oh, God, help me! 644 00:27:40,741 --> 00:27:42,994 God, please help! 645 00:28:00,261 --> 00:28:02,096 Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts, 646 00:28:02,763 --> 00:28:04,932 an island off the Eastern Seaboard. 647 00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:08,352 Beautiful, picturesque, and about to be disguised 648 00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:10,479 as the fictional town of Amity. 649 00:28:14,275 --> 00:28:15,860 MAN: ls it true that the art director 650 00:28:15,943 --> 00:28:17,737 is the one that chose Martha's Vineyard? 651 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:19,030 The art director came down 652 00:28:19,113 --> 00:28:21,073 and looked at the entire Eastern Seaboard. 653 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:25,328 I don't know why, but I had heard a lot about Martha's Vineyard 654 00:28:25,411 --> 00:28:28,164 as a small summer community 655 00:28:28,247 --> 00:28:29,874 that might suit this picture, 656 00:28:29,957 --> 00:28:31,375 and I suggested he go to see it. 657 00:28:32,835 --> 00:28:37,757 ALVES: I needed a bay with a 25-foot depth and a low tide. 658 00:28:38,424 --> 00:28:40,009 I had a whole map of New England, 659 00:28:40,843 --> 00:28:43,930 and I went through all these various little villages, 660 00:28:44,931 --> 00:28:47,141 and I see there's a boat to Martha's Vineyard. 661 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,603 So I went there, January 17th, 662 00:28:51,979 --> 00:28:55,483 and I found out the depth was only 25 feet, two-foot tide, 663 00:28:56,067 --> 00:29:00,071 and I thought, "Oh my God, this is gonna be a success." 664 00:29:01,405 --> 00:29:04,075 KRAMER: Martha's Vineyard is an island. 665 00:29:04,158 --> 00:29:05,868 It's a little spit of land 666 00:29:05,952 --> 00:29:07,870 off the coast of Massachusetts. 667 00:29:08,537 --> 00:29:13,042 It is a stunning piece of land and a summer resort. 668 00:29:14,919 --> 00:29:17,213 I've spent a lot of time in Martha's Vineyard, 669 00:29:17,296 --> 00:29:19,799 and all of the non-actors that he used, 670 00:29:19,882 --> 00:29:21,801 they really represent the spirit 671 00:29:21,884 --> 00:29:24,595 of this idyllic, peaceful, safe place 672 00:29:24,679 --> 00:29:26,180 that's sort of bohemian, 673 00:29:26,264 --> 00:29:27,848 and I think even if you go now, 674 00:29:27,932 --> 00:29:29,976 it feels like a '70s time capsule still. 675 00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:32,728 And I think all of that helped 676 00:29:32,812 --> 00:29:36,190 because it gives the world such authenticity. 677 00:29:36,274 --> 00:29:37,275 Listen, Chief. 678 00:29:38,484 --> 00:29:39,610 Be careful, will you? 679 00:29:39,694 --> 00:29:40,695 In this town? 680 00:29:40,778 --> 00:29:42,154 Hey. Hi, Dad. 681 00:29:42,947 --> 00:29:44,865 Martha's Vineyard was a delightful place to shoot. 682 00:29:44,949 --> 00:29:45,992 I really enjoyed it. 683 00:29:46,075 --> 00:29:47,368 It was thrilling. 684 00:29:47,451 --> 00:29:49,912 I'd never been on a location before, 685 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:52,248 other than for television shoots. 686 00:29:52,331 --> 00:29:53,833 But never for a movie, 687 00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:56,544 and I was feeling so full of myself. 688 00:29:57,461 --> 00:29:59,880 MAN: Martha's Vineyard means so much to this movie, Jaws. 689 00:29:59,964 --> 00:30:02,341 If you think of it, there are only eight people 690 00:30:02,425 --> 00:30:03,843 that came from Hollywood to be in this movie. 691 00:30:03,926 --> 00:30:06,220 You have Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, 692 00:30:06,304 --> 00:30:07,805 Robert Shaw, Lorraine Gary, 693 00:30:07,888 --> 00:30:10,099 Murray Hamilton, Teddy Grossman, 694 00:30:10,182 --> 00:30:12,101 Susan Backlinie and Carl Gottlieb. 695 00:30:12,184 --> 00:30:13,894 Everyone else you see in the movie 696 00:30:13,978 --> 00:30:15,521 are locals from Martha's Vineyard. 697 00:30:15,604 --> 00:30:17,398 We had a shark attack at South Beach 698 00:30:17,481 --> 00:30:19,025 this morning, Mayor! Fatal! 699 00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:20,359 I've got to batten down the beach! 700 00:30:20,943 --> 00:30:23,487 KRAMER: I read about the shooting of Jaws 701 00:30:23,571 --> 00:30:25,906 in the Vineyard newspapers. 702 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:29,035 So I called my agent and he set up a meeting, 703 00:30:29,118 --> 00:30:31,287 and I flew to Boston and met Steven. 704 00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:33,622 He knew I was from the island, 705 00:30:33,706 --> 00:30:37,793 and I think he wanted some real island feel. 706 00:30:37,877 --> 00:30:41,047 And listen, I was lucky to be in this. 707 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:43,674 You folks were born here, right? Yeah. I'm an islander. 708 00:30:43,758 --> 00:30:47,261 When we did Jaws, I turned 19 in January of that year. 709 00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:51,057 They tried to put me in a pair of sort of bell bottom blue jeans, 710 00:30:51,140 --> 00:30:53,893 and what almost would have been the top of a union suit 711 00:30:53,976 --> 00:30:55,478 that was sort of tie-dyed and pink. 712 00:30:55,561 --> 00:30:59,106 And I was like, "it's not really what I'd wear." 713 00:30:59,690 --> 00:31:01,942 So they said, "Okay, well, bring your own wardrobe." 714 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,071 So a pair of khakis, an Oxford cloth shirt, 715 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:08,240 and I still have the sweater that I wore. 716 00:31:08,324 --> 00:31:09,575 INTERVIEWER: Wow, put it on like this. 717 00:31:09,658 --> 00:31:10,659 There we go. 718 00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:14,288 INTERVIEWER: Wow. You know what the best news is? 719 00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:16,207 It still fits. Yes! Amazing, huh? 720 00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:20,336 SPIELBERG: Well, I had very good success casting Sugarland Express 721 00:31:20,419 --> 00:31:22,838 with a casting director named Shari Rhodes. 722 00:31:23,589 --> 00:31:26,300 And we had tremendous success with real people. 723 00:31:26,384 --> 00:31:28,135 Did you ever do some time in prison, son? 724 00:31:28,219 --> 00:31:30,179 So I asked Shari if she would cast Jaws, 725 00:31:30,262 --> 00:31:32,306 and I said, "Let's get locals from Martha's Vineyard 726 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:34,809 to perform in this movie, or even from Boston. 727 00:31:35,393 --> 00:31:38,604 SODERBERGH: Shari Rhodes did an amazing job 728 00:31:38,687 --> 00:31:41,065 of casting people who looked and acted 729 00:31:41,148 --> 00:31:43,818 like they just walked in off the street. 730 00:31:43,901 --> 00:31:44,944 What kind of shark? 731 00:31:45,027 --> 00:31:46,362 A tiger shark. 732 00:31:47,530 --> 00:31:48,614 A what? 733 00:31:48,697 --> 00:31:50,991 She spent time there and got to know people. 734 00:31:51,575 --> 00:31:53,786 I just put some sun tan lotion on 735 00:31:53,869 --> 00:31:56,288 and, uh, I'm trying to absorb some of this sun. 736 00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:57,581 Nobody's going in. 737 00:31:58,707 --> 00:32:00,543 Please. Get in the water. 738 00:32:00,626 --> 00:32:03,671 I mean, all those people in that board meeting 739 00:32:03,754 --> 00:32:06,340 in the town hall, they're real. 740 00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:10,052 Is that $3,000 bounty on the shark in cash or check? 741 00:32:10,136 --> 00:32:11,762 (ALL LAUGHING) 742 00:32:11,846 --> 00:32:12,847 I don't think that's funny. 743 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:14,723 I don't think that's funny at all. 744 00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:16,142 It gives the whole movie 745 00:32:16,225 --> 00:32:18,727 more of a documentary impromptu feel. 746 00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:21,605 Hello. Hello back, young feller. 747 00:32:21,689 --> 00:32:22,940 How are you? 748 00:32:23,023 --> 00:32:24,483 MAN 1: This is Craig Kingsbury, 749 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:26,819 known by some folks on the island 750 00:32:26,902 --> 00:32:28,070 as the island character. 751 00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:30,364 KINGSBURY: it's like one big family. 752 00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:32,741 And you hear what's going on in Edgartown? 753 00:32:32,825 --> 00:32:35,578 A lot of it's laughable and joking and fun 754 00:32:35,661 --> 00:32:37,413 and family fights and all that, 755 00:32:37,496 --> 00:32:38,747 but they all get out. 756 00:32:38,831 --> 00:32:40,708 MAN 2: What's the serious business, though? 757 00:32:40,791 --> 00:32:42,585 We don't have anything too serious. 758 00:32:42,668 --> 00:32:45,212 SPIELBERG: Kingsbury made all his dialogue up. 759 00:32:45,296 --> 00:32:47,631 Every time he opens his mouth, that's Craig talking. 760 00:32:47,715 --> 00:32:49,049 We didn't write lines for him. 761 00:32:49,133 --> 00:32:51,135 Why don't we get them silly bastards 762 00:32:51,218 --> 00:32:52,428 down in that rock pile? 763 00:32:52,511 --> 00:32:53,512 There'll be some fun. 764 00:32:53,596 --> 00:32:55,890 They'll wish their fathers had never met their mothers 765 00:32:55,973 --> 00:32:57,892 when they start taking their bottoms out 766 00:32:57,975 --> 00:33:00,102 and slamming into them rocks, boy. 767 00:33:00,186 --> 00:33:01,896 Every character has a little bit of an arc, 768 00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:03,230 a little bit of a story, 769 00:33:03,314 --> 00:33:04,773 so that when they enter the picture, 770 00:33:04,857 --> 00:33:06,275 you're interested in them, 771 00:33:06,358 --> 00:33:08,569 and when they exit the picture, you miss them. 772 00:33:09,862 --> 00:33:12,490 SPIELBERG: I feel that Jaws is more of a people picture 773 00:33:12,573 --> 00:33:13,782 than a shark movie. 774 00:33:13,866 --> 00:33:15,409 Without those people, 775 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:17,161 you wouldn't give a hang about the shark. 776 00:33:21,999 --> 00:33:24,502 We're in one of our locations here on Martha's Vineyard 777 00:33:24,585 --> 00:33:26,045 in the town of Oak Bluffs, 778 00:33:26,128 --> 00:33:28,964 and this is one of our four retail stores in town, 779 00:33:29,048 --> 00:33:30,466 and it's one of the places 780 00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:33,052 where we keep the Jaws memory alive. 781 00:33:34,178 --> 00:33:36,931 I'm Todd Rebello, my brother played Michael Brody. 782 00:33:37,014 --> 00:33:38,265 His name was Chris Rebello. 783 00:33:38,349 --> 00:33:40,267 Mom. I got cut. 784 00:33:40,351 --> 00:33:41,727 I got bit by a vampire. 785 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:43,729 I have one great memory 786 00:33:43,812 --> 00:33:45,523 of the day when he says, "I got bit by a vampire." 787 00:33:46,357 --> 00:33:47,566 We were out on the front lawn, 788 00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:50,361 and it was my brother and I and Steven, 789 00:33:50,444 --> 00:33:53,572 and he was just asking us question after question. 790 00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,616 He really did relate to somebody young. 791 00:33:55,699 --> 00:33:58,619 You know, it could have been your older brother in a sense. 792 00:33:59,161 --> 00:34:00,704 The pond's for old ladies. 793 00:34:00,788 --> 00:34:01,956 I know it's for the old ladies, 794 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:03,832 but just do it for the old man, huh? 795 00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:05,668 TODD: My brother passed away at 37. 796 00:34:05,751 --> 00:34:07,836 It was fairly tragic. Three kids. 797 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,589 So anything I could do to keep that memory alive 798 00:34:10,673 --> 00:34:12,508 and the memory of him, I try to help. 799 00:34:17,054 --> 00:34:20,808 After a couple of days of being on the set with my children, 800 00:34:20,891 --> 00:34:25,688 I was asked to be in charge of taking care of the kids. 801 00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,108 Most of the time, I was in the background 802 00:34:29,191 --> 00:34:30,901 and I had my movie camera with me. 803 00:34:30,985 --> 00:34:33,195 That was back in the Super 8 days. 804 00:34:35,698 --> 00:34:38,867 I was very happy to see all the local people 805 00:34:38,951 --> 00:34:40,035 being a part of this, 806 00:34:40,119 --> 00:34:42,621 and we would talk about it even years later. 807 00:34:42,705 --> 00:34:44,498 We still do, as a matter of fact, 808 00:34:44,582 --> 00:34:45,874 with Jeff Voorhees, 809 00:34:45,958 --> 00:34:48,168 the little boy that gets eaten by the shark. 810 00:34:48,252 --> 00:34:51,380 I'm gonna go and get my raft and go back out in the water. 811 00:34:51,463 --> 00:34:52,631 Let me see your fingers. 812 00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:56,385 Oh. Alex Kintner, they're beginning to prune. 813 00:34:56,468 --> 00:34:58,178 Just let me go out a little longer. 814 00:34:58,804 --> 00:35:00,097 Just ten more minutes. 815 00:35:00,180 --> 00:35:01,181 Thanks. 816 00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:04,101 VOORHEES: They filmed that here in May, 817 00:35:04,184 --> 00:35:05,728 that's when that scene I was in. 818 00:35:06,228 --> 00:35:07,646 And if you know the water up here 819 00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:09,690 in New England, Martha's Vineyard, 820 00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,484 you know, I won't swim here now until July. 821 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:14,862 This water's freezing cold in May. 822 00:35:14,945 --> 00:35:16,196 So people were like, "Were you afraid of the shark?" 823 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,366 No, I was afraid of freezing my 12-year-old ass off in that water. 824 00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,537 SODERBERGH: I think the Kintner scene 825 00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:27,541 is a beautiful example of Spielberg's gift. 826 00:35:28,208 --> 00:35:30,586 J.J. ABRAMS: Every single choice he makes, 827 00:35:30,669 --> 00:35:33,547 it's about the tension and the paranoia 828 00:35:33,631 --> 00:35:36,175 and that sense of, you don't know quite where to look. 829 00:35:36,258 --> 00:35:39,553 JORDAN PEELE: The tension that's built with the cinematic devices 830 00:35:39,637 --> 00:35:41,597 in this scene are so immersive, 831 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,599 so seamless and flawless. 832 00:35:45,684 --> 00:35:49,146 It's got the wipes, it's got the split diopter. 833 00:35:49,938 --> 00:35:52,608 And then when it hits the push-pull zoom 834 00:35:52,691 --> 00:35:54,276 that Hitchcock pioneered... 835 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,737 It just brings the audience along 836 00:35:56,820 --> 00:35:58,697 in the perfect pacing, 837 00:35:59,573 --> 00:36:01,075 and then it's delivered. 838 00:36:06,288 --> 00:36:07,915 SODERBERGH: All of this is in the aid 839 00:36:07,998 --> 00:36:12,461 of putting you inside of Brody's experience 840 00:36:12,544 --> 00:36:14,755 of being on the beach that day 841 00:36:14,838 --> 00:36:17,424 when this terrible thing happens. 842 00:36:18,258 --> 00:36:19,843 Get everybody out! Come on. 843 00:36:19,927 --> 00:36:21,428 Everybody, get out! 844 00:36:21,512 --> 00:36:23,722 In those days, I wasn't thinking about cinema. 845 00:36:24,348 --> 00:36:26,850 I was thinking about shots. 846 00:36:26,934 --> 00:36:28,811 When to go close and when to be wide, 847 00:36:28,894 --> 00:36:30,854 when to give the audience a sense of geography 848 00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:32,106 so they're not lost. 849 00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:35,693 VOORHEES: At first, shooting the scene, they had a mannequin. 850 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:38,445 They put it on a raft, 851 00:36:38,529 --> 00:36:41,490 and the mechanical shark bites this little mannequin. 852 00:36:44,618 --> 00:36:46,245 And there was this big barrel 853 00:36:46,328 --> 00:36:47,746 right near the top of the water, 854 00:36:47,830 --> 00:36:49,123 and it's full of blood. He goes, 855 00:36:49,206 --> 00:36:51,834 "You're gonna take your raft out to that barrel," 856 00:36:51,917 --> 00:36:52,918 and all of a sudden, 857 00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:55,671 all the blood starts shooting up like a rocket. 858 00:36:56,380 --> 00:36:58,340 When you see me go up and down, 859 00:36:58,424 --> 00:37:00,801 that's two guys lifting me in and out of the water, 860 00:37:00,884 --> 00:37:02,010 then pull you under and give you air. 861 00:37:02,094 --> 00:37:03,387 (GASPING) 862 00:37:04,847 --> 00:37:05,848 FLIGOR: Poor Jeff. 863 00:37:05,931 --> 00:37:07,808 He came up out of the water, 864 00:37:07,891 --> 00:37:10,602 you know, he got all that stuff out of his eyes. 865 00:37:11,353 --> 00:37:12,604 Alex? 866 00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:14,815 FLIGOR: And then he did it again and it worked fine. 867 00:37:16,066 --> 00:37:17,151 Alex? 868 00:37:20,738 --> 00:37:24,491 These are rare events, but the reality is it does happen. 869 00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:27,286 A shark is attracted to the exact kind of splashing 870 00:37:27,369 --> 00:37:29,705 and activity that occurs whenever human beings go in swimming. 871 00:37:29,788 --> 00:37:30,831 You cannot avoid it. 872 00:37:31,498 --> 00:37:33,000 The sharks are not infesting the waters, 873 00:37:33,083 --> 00:37:34,585 the sharks live in the water, right? 874 00:37:34,668 --> 00:37:37,296 And we put ourselves into their environment, 875 00:37:37,379 --> 00:37:38,881 and so we are taking an inherent risk 876 00:37:38,964 --> 00:37:41,216 any time we choose to go into the water. 877 00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:43,802 The only way that a shark can taste something 878 00:37:43,886 --> 00:37:45,304 or can know what something is, 879 00:37:45,387 --> 00:37:46,847 is literally by biting it. 880 00:37:46,930 --> 00:37:48,390 And they make a decision about whether 881 00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:50,684 that's going to be what they're going to eat or not. 882 00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:52,686 And in a lot of cases, they'll just say 883 00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:54,855 "No, that's not right," and they'll swim away. 884 00:37:54,938 --> 00:37:57,733 There was a deadly shark attack on Cape Cod. 885 00:37:57,816 --> 00:38:00,402 It is the first fatal shark attack 886 00:38:00,486 --> 00:38:03,864 in Massachusetts since 1936. 887 00:38:03,947 --> 00:38:07,117 When boogie boarder Arthur Medici was killed 888 00:38:07,201 --> 00:38:09,411 by a great white shark off Cape Cod, 889 00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:11,330 where we do all of our research, 890 00:38:11,413 --> 00:38:13,999 it had a profound effect personally 891 00:38:14,082 --> 00:38:16,543 and subsequently, professionally. 892 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:20,422 It was the first fatality in over 80 years on the Cape, 893 00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:23,217 and it impacted the whole community. 894 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,636 Are you going to close the beaches? 895 00:38:26,804 --> 00:38:27,971 Yes, we are. 896 00:38:28,055 --> 00:38:29,681 (ALL CLAMORING) 897 00:38:29,765 --> 00:38:32,601 SKOMAL: Unlike the film, we weren't trying to hide anything. 898 00:38:32,684 --> 00:38:36,271 And I will admit there was one or two beach managers 899 00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:38,440 that didn't want to talk about sharks. 900 00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:39,650 It's all psychological. 901 00:38:40,317 --> 00:38:41,777 You yell, "Barracuda," 902 00:38:42,569 --> 00:38:44,071 everybody says, "Huh? What?" 903 00:38:45,739 --> 00:38:47,157 You yell, "Shark," 904 00:38:48,867 --> 00:38:51,411 we've got a panic on our hands on the Fourth of July. 905 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,748 SKERRY: Jaws came out at a moment in history, 906 00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:56,124 certainly in the United States, 907 00:38:56,208 --> 00:38:58,043 but worldwide as well, 908 00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:02,339 where we were just emerging from civil unrest. 909 00:39:03,257 --> 00:39:05,551 That era in the early '70s 910 00:39:05,634 --> 00:39:10,681 spoke to these emotional elements within humans 911 00:39:10,764 --> 00:39:12,599 about fear, about danger, 912 00:39:12,683 --> 00:39:16,228 about things that don't have easy answers. 913 00:39:16,311 --> 00:39:18,772 What was happening in America was the Vietnam War 914 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:19,940 and Watergate. 915 00:39:20,023 --> 00:39:23,610 I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 916 00:39:24,194 --> 00:39:26,738 SPIELBERG: These were the turbulent times while we were making the film. 917 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:30,284 The idea of a corrupt politician 918 00:39:30,367 --> 00:39:32,661 trying to hide something from the citizens 919 00:39:32,744 --> 00:39:34,413 was very powerful. 920 00:39:34,496 --> 00:39:37,666 Murray Hamilton, in a kind of local government, 921 00:39:37,749 --> 00:39:42,004 represented power and commerce over human safety, 922 00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:44,131 so he represented a lot. 923 00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:49,428 (SOBBING) You knew it was dangerous, 924 00:39:49,511 --> 00:39:51,763 but you let people go swimming anyway. 925 00:39:52,347 --> 00:39:55,684 PEELE: The shark isn't even the greatest monster in the film. 926 00:39:55,767 --> 00:39:58,979 The fact that the money in the bottom line 927 00:39:59,062 --> 00:40:00,898 is working under the surface 928 00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:04,318 as being more valuable than the lives at stake 929 00:40:04,401 --> 00:40:06,528 is something that is always 930 00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:10,282 true to a certain extent in this capitalist society. 931 00:40:10,365 --> 00:40:11,867 We will be open for business. 932 00:40:11,950 --> 00:40:13,827 It's gonna be one of the best summers we've ever had. 933 00:40:13,911 --> 00:40:15,621 The book got a lot of curious reviews. 934 00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,122 Some people really liked it a lot, 935 00:40:17,205 --> 00:40:18,206 some people hated it. 936 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:20,751 Those beaches will be open for this weekend. 937 00:40:20,834 --> 00:40:22,628 My favorite review of all, 938 00:40:22,711 --> 00:40:24,338 I never even read because it wasn't written. 939 00:40:24,421 --> 00:40:27,299 Frank Mankiewicz was interviewing Fidel Castro 940 00:40:27,382 --> 00:40:29,426 and asking, "What do you read?" 941 00:40:29,509 --> 00:40:30,886 And Castro said, 942 00:40:30,969 --> 00:40:33,013 "Well, most recently, I've read a book called Tiburon." 943 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,848 And Mankiewicz said 944 00:40:34,932 --> 00:40:36,850 "Why are you reading commercial American thrillers?" 945 00:40:36,934 --> 00:40:38,644 And Castro said, "Ah, no, you're wrong. 946 00:40:38,727 --> 00:40:40,187 "This is not a commercial American thriller. 947 00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:43,273 "This is a marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism." 948 00:40:44,191 --> 00:40:46,944 And I tried to get Doubleday to use it in an ad. 949 00:40:47,027 --> 00:40:48,695 Can you imagine the ad that says, 950 00:40:48,779 --> 00:40:51,406 "Marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism 951 00:40:51,490 --> 00:40:52,866 "- Fidel Castro"? 952 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,244 Who else could have a quote from Fidel Castro. Please? 953 00:40:56,328 --> 00:40:57,329 But they wouldn't do it. 954 00:40:58,622 --> 00:41:00,749 REPORTER: In recent days, a cloud has appeared 955 00:41:00,832 --> 00:41:03,335 on the horizon of this beautiful resort community. 956 00:41:03,418 --> 00:41:06,088 A cloud in the shape of a killer shark. 957 00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,424 MAN: I was in my apartment, and Jaws was on the TV. 958 00:41:09,508 --> 00:41:12,302 My dad has almost been dead for 20 years now, 959 00:41:12,386 --> 00:41:14,471 and suddenly I heard my dad talking to me. 960 00:41:15,097 --> 00:41:16,431 And I kind of stopped and turned around. 961 00:41:16,515 --> 00:41:17,933 It was because it was the scene in Jaws, 962 00:41:18,016 --> 00:41:19,476 where he was interviewing the mayor on the beach. 963 00:41:20,268 --> 00:41:21,269 MAN 1: Background action. 964 00:41:21,353 --> 00:41:23,981 With me here today is the mayor of Amity, Lawrence Vaughn. 965 00:41:24,564 --> 00:41:27,067 Now, Mr. Vaughn, how about those rumors? 966 00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:28,402 MAN 2: All right, Murray, that'll do it. 967 00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:30,112 MAN 3: Cut! 968 00:41:30,195 --> 00:41:31,905 CLAYTON: I love when we're able to go back and see him 969 00:41:31,989 --> 00:41:33,532 and remember everything about him. 970 00:41:33,615 --> 00:41:35,075 And it's really a gift. 971 00:41:35,701 --> 00:41:38,829 The beaches are open, and people are having a wonderful time. 972 00:41:38,912 --> 00:41:40,789 Amity, as you know, means friendship. 973 00:41:41,832 --> 00:41:43,208 MAN: David, you and I have talked about this. 974 00:41:43,291 --> 00:41:44,626 We were both around during the shooting 975 00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,379 of a big beach panic scene, and we wondered, 976 00:41:47,462 --> 00:41:50,424 "God, what would happen if something really did come in 977 00:41:50,507 --> 00:41:52,259 "during a scene like this, and begin to eat people?" 978 00:41:52,342 --> 00:41:54,803 The Cape Cod radio, only last night, 979 00:41:54,886 --> 00:41:57,305 recorded the spotting of a great white. 980 00:41:58,056 --> 00:42:01,435 So close to the shore that it was observed by a lifeguard, 981 00:42:01,518 --> 00:42:04,688 which adds further credence to the notion that our beach panic 982 00:42:04,771 --> 00:42:08,442 might indeed have been invaded by a great white, 983 00:42:08,525 --> 00:42:10,819 in which case, we would have had a double beach panic, 984 00:42:10,902 --> 00:42:12,195 or, more horrifyingly, 985 00:42:12,279 --> 00:42:14,698 our actors would have thought it was part of the movie. 986 00:42:14,781 --> 00:42:16,992 We would have had to use the old Pearl Harbor line, 987 00:42:17,075 --> 00:42:18,744 "This is no drill." (MEN LAUGHING) 988 00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:27,669 The bridge is the number one spot, 989 00:42:27,753 --> 00:42:29,838 and it's also the number one fun spot 990 00:42:29,921 --> 00:42:32,716 because while you're not supposed to jump off the bridge, 991 00:42:33,383 --> 00:42:36,386 150,200 people jump off that bridge an hour. 992 00:42:37,804 --> 00:42:40,307 I have yet to jump off the Jaws Bridge. 993 00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:43,060 I have not plucked up the courage to do that. 994 00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:44,770 Sha... Shark! 995 00:42:45,353 --> 00:42:46,396 It's a shark! 996 00:42:47,773 --> 00:42:50,484 Jaws Bridge is where it all happened for me. 997 00:42:51,068 --> 00:42:54,446 I was one of the three boys on the sailfish 998 00:42:54,529 --> 00:42:56,073 inside the estuary. 999 00:42:56,698 --> 00:42:58,617 I can't do a damn thing until we get this undone. Get that rope undone. 1000 00:42:58,700 --> 00:43:00,160 You gotta untangle that up there! 1001 00:43:00,243 --> 00:43:01,328 ( INDISTINCT) I'm doing it! 1002 00:43:01,912 --> 00:43:04,372 BEN DAVID: My biggest highlight in life was having my children. 1003 00:43:04,873 --> 00:43:06,708 This was probably number two. 1004 00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:09,127 You guys okay over there? 1005 00:43:09,211 --> 00:43:11,338 I was gonna be a victim in the estuary. 1006 00:43:14,508 --> 00:43:16,134 When I dropped into the mouth, 1007 00:43:17,260 --> 00:43:19,096 the shark head would open, 1008 00:43:19,179 --> 00:43:21,181 and there's a lot of mechanism under there. 1009 00:43:22,015 --> 00:43:23,934 And so that particular shot 1010 00:43:24,017 --> 00:43:26,103 was worked by the guys in the barge with air rams. 1011 00:43:26,186 --> 00:43:27,813 You know, everybody's working the mouth, 1012 00:43:27,896 --> 00:43:30,065 one guy works the head, moving back and forth. 1013 00:43:31,066 --> 00:43:32,818 You think, "Jeez, am I gonna get in this shark's mouth? 1014 00:43:32,901 --> 00:43:34,486 "Thing's gonna clamp on me." 1015 00:43:34,569 --> 00:43:36,154 (PANTING) 1016 00:43:36,238 --> 00:43:38,740 But Bob Mattey did all the shark special effects. 1017 00:43:38,824 --> 00:43:39,825 He was fabulous. 1018 00:43:44,704 --> 00:43:45,914 (MAN SCREAMING) 1019 00:43:45,997 --> 00:43:48,250 There are a couple of scenes that were shot 1020 00:43:48,333 --> 00:43:51,795 where he really does look like a great white shark 1021 00:43:51,878 --> 00:43:54,548 that I would see in my work right now. 1022 00:43:55,132 --> 00:43:57,384 When the shark turns on its side, 1023 00:43:57,467 --> 00:44:00,929 that to me is an incredibly realistic view 1024 00:44:01,012 --> 00:44:02,472 of a white shark. 1025 00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:04,391 SPIELBERG: I wanted it to be real. 1026 00:44:04,474 --> 00:44:06,560 I wanted to show what happens when a shark bites you. 1027 00:44:09,187 --> 00:44:10,856 I was certainly aware I was going to make it 1028 00:44:10,939 --> 00:44:14,651 as scary and as realistically brutal as I possibly could. 1029 00:44:14,734 --> 00:44:15,944 MAN: Marking. 1030 00:44:17,863 --> 00:44:19,614 And then later on in the editing room, 1031 00:44:19,698 --> 00:44:21,074 I was able to come to my senses 1032 00:44:21,158 --> 00:44:23,493 in a couple of sequences, and cut things out 1033 00:44:23,577 --> 00:44:26,788 long before the MPAA ever saw the movie. 1034 00:44:28,707 --> 00:44:32,085 I think a great horror or great thriller 1035 00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:36,173 is the perfect tailor-made nightmare 1036 00:44:36,256 --> 00:44:38,049 for its protagonist. 1037 00:44:38,133 --> 00:44:39,551 And, you know, when you talk about 1038 00:44:39,634 --> 00:44:41,386 the mysticism of Jaws, 1039 00:44:41,469 --> 00:44:44,389 this shark getting closer and closer 1040 00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:48,393 to this person who doesn't like the water. 1041 00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:51,021 It's this mystical connection between 1042 00:44:51,104 --> 00:44:53,023 hero and monster, and you feel that. 1043 00:44:57,527 --> 00:45:00,030 MAN 1: Guys, we can't shoot right now. Hold on. MAN 2: Hold on. 1044 00:45:01,531 --> 00:45:04,242 MAN 3: Pull the anchor up and reset it out there, okay? 1045 00:45:04,951 --> 00:45:09,497 YOUNG SPIELBERG: This is my second day at sea, and I have 54 more days to go. 1046 00:45:10,332 --> 00:45:14,461 And if I survive this, I'll have learned a lot, 1047 00:45:14,544 --> 00:45:16,630 because right now, all I can tell you 1048 00:45:16,713 --> 00:45:18,757 is it's twice as slow shooting at sea 1049 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,133 as it is shooting on land. 1050 00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:21,968 MAN 4: When they finally went on the water, 1051 00:45:22,052 --> 00:45:25,263 they needed local support boats and operators. 1052 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:27,140 I did my acting part 1053 00:45:27,224 --> 00:45:28,725 and then I was fortunate enough 1054 00:45:28,808 --> 00:45:30,644 to be able to be part of the Marine department. 1055 00:45:30,727 --> 00:45:33,855 And that's where I really saw the bit of behind the scenes 1056 00:45:33,939 --> 00:45:35,649 of what went into the show. 1057 00:45:35,732 --> 00:45:37,692 They started filming at the beginning of May, 1058 00:45:37,776 --> 00:45:40,779 and thought they were gonna be gone by the Fourth of July. 1059 00:45:41,363 --> 00:45:43,698 And the schedule wasn't really holding that well 1060 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:45,992 just because of what they were dealing with. 1061 00:45:46,076 --> 00:45:52,540 The month of August 1974 is a death march on the water. 1062 00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:55,669 We were on the ocean for, like, four and a half, five months, 1063 00:45:55,752 --> 00:45:59,339 and we all began going off the deep end, literally. 1064 00:45:59,422 --> 00:46:03,051 It's not the time it takes to take the take that takes the time, 1065 00:46:03,134 --> 00:46:04,636 it's the time it takes between the takes 1066 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,013 that takes the time it takes to take. 1067 00:46:07,097 --> 00:46:08,556 CAMERON: Anytime you're dealing with water, 1068 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,517 it doesn't get twice as hard, 1069 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,144 it instantly gets five times as hard. 1070 00:46:13,228 --> 00:46:15,605 He always laughs whenever I do a water film. 1071 00:46:15,689 --> 00:46:17,565 He says, "Don't you know how hard this stuff is? 1072 00:46:17,649 --> 00:46:19,067 I said, "Yeah, I know!" (CHUCKLES) 1073 00:46:19,150 --> 00:46:22,112 SPIELBERG: There was nothing fun about making Jaws. 1074 00:46:22,195 --> 00:46:26,032 It was a very, very hard thing to go out on the real ocean, 1075 00:46:26,116 --> 00:46:27,909 be knocked around by the waves, 1076 00:46:27,993 --> 00:46:29,077 by the currents. 1077 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,495 One more time. 1078 00:46:30,578 --> 00:46:31,621 Shark comes up. 1079 00:46:31,705 --> 00:46:34,958 And then we have to re-anchor, reposition the camera boat. 1080 00:46:35,041 --> 00:46:37,210 Suddenly, the electrical barge 1081 00:46:37,294 --> 00:46:40,213 with the generators running the arcs is too far away. 1082 00:46:40,297 --> 00:46:41,840 And then on top of all that, 1083 00:46:41,923 --> 00:46:43,341 80% of the time, the shark didn't work. 1084 00:46:44,801 --> 00:46:46,428 The first mistake with the shark was, 1085 00:46:46,511 --> 00:46:48,054 they built it for freshwater. 1086 00:46:48,138 --> 00:46:50,265 INTERVIEWER: What's the difference? Well, electrolysis. 1087 00:46:51,182 --> 00:46:52,767 They built the shark in a hurry, 1088 00:46:52,851 --> 00:46:55,729 and then they realized that saltwater eats everything. 1089 00:46:55,812 --> 00:46:57,856 They tested the shark for the first time in the water, 1090 00:46:57,939 --> 00:47:00,066 and we had at least 20 boats of tourists 1091 00:47:00,150 --> 00:47:01,526 who had gathered around an area 1092 00:47:01,609 --> 00:47:02,777 to watch the shark work. 1093 00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:04,904 And we had the shark on a huge 90-foot platform, 1094 00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:06,364 30 feet underwater. 1095 00:47:06,448 --> 00:47:07,991 At the press of a hydraulic button 1096 00:47:08,074 --> 00:47:09,701 and pulling the lever back, supposedly, 1097 00:47:09,784 --> 00:47:11,953 the shark comes shooting out of the water headfirst, 1098 00:47:12,037 --> 00:47:13,121 and this has absolutely happened, 1099 00:47:13,204 --> 00:47:15,040 the shark came up tail first. 1100 00:47:15,832 --> 00:47:16,833 (PEOPLE LAUGHING) 1101 00:47:16,916 --> 00:47:20,170 Tail first, and it was like a 25-foot moon. 1102 00:47:20,253 --> 00:47:21,713 (BOTH LAUGH) 1103 00:47:22,297 --> 00:47:24,924 Some nights, we'd go to the warehouse, 1104 00:47:25,008 --> 00:47:27,427 and you'd see the sharks lined up there, 1105 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:29,554 and they were always working on it. 1106 00:47:31,264 --> 00:47:34,059 And sometimes you'd get in the water, 1107 00:47:34,142 --> 00:47:35,560 and you'd see the shark go, 1108 00:47:35,643 --> 00:47:36,895 "Whoa... womp!" 1109 00:47:38,813 --> 00:47:42,442 You thought, "Oh, my God, are they gonna finish this movie?" 1110 00:47:43,651 --> 00:47:45,987 There were all these radio mics all over the island, 1111 00:47:46,071 --> 00:47:47,864 and they were always saying, 1112 00:47:47,947 --> 00:47:49,866 (MIMICS RADIO BUZZ) "The shark is not working. 1113 00:47:49,949 --> 00:47:51,117 "The shark is not working." 1114 00:47:51,201 --> 00:47:53,953 And then one day, you heard this, 1115 00:47:54,037 --> 00:47:56,956 "The shark is working. Repeat, the shark is working. 1116 00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,334 "The boat is sinking. The boat is sinking." 1117 00:47:59,417 --> 00:48:00,668 (LAUGHS) 1118 00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:02,087 And I was on that boat. 1119 00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:03,671 Time! 1120 00:48:03,755 --> 00:48:05,215 SPIELBERG: What happened was we were pulling 1121 00:48:05,298 --> 00:48:07,092 one of the barrels away from the boat. 1122 00:48:07,175 --> 00:48:09,052 The problem was the motorboat went so fast, 1123 00:48:09,135 --> 00:48:11,930 it pulled the planking out from the hull of the Orca, 1124 00:48:12,013 --> 00:48:13,306 and, of course, the water rushed in, 1125 00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:15,683 and the boat sank in about two minutes. 1126 00:48:15,767 --> 00:48:17,185 DREYFUSS: "Get the actors off the boat! 1127 00:48:17,769 --> 00:48:19,270 "Get the actors off the boat!" 1128 00:48:19,854 --> 00:48:22,774 John Carter, who won an Academy Award for best sound for Jaws, 1129 00:48:22,857 --> 00:48:24,275 picked up the Nagra. 1130 00:48:24,359 --> 00:48:25,777 He was on the boat. And held it over his head, 1131 00:48:25,860 --> 00:48:28,530 and said, "(BLEEP) the actors, save the sound department!" 1132 00:48:29,739 --> 00:48:31,991 And I had this image to this day of John sinking, 1133 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:33,493 holding the Nagra over his head, 1134 00:48:33,576 --> 00:48:34,661 and he came up months later 1135 00:48:34,744 --> 00:48:36,329 with an Academy Award in his hand instead. 1136 00:48:37,664 --> 00:48:40,125 Sea conditions have been so impossible 1137 00:48:40,208 --> 00:48:41,960 that it's really hurt our schedule, 1138 00:48:42,043 --> 00:48:44,379 and we've been here 105 shooting days, 1139 00:48:44,462 --> 00:48:47,632 and we were only scheduled for something like 65 or 70. 1140 00:48:47,715 --> 00:48:49,384 MAN: What's this done to the budget? 1141 00:48:49,467 --> 00:48:52,137 Well, it's kicked it up about a million and a half dollars, unfortunately. 1142 00:48:53,054 --> 00:48:54,347 We're not sailors. 1143 00:48:54,431 --> 00:48:57,642 We were filmmakers and we were a film company, 1144 00:48:57,725 --> 00:48:59,853 and we were way out of our element. 1145 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,063 There were times making that movie 1146 00:49:02,147 --> 00:49:04,732 where I thought Jaws would probably be 1147 00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:06,943 the last thing I ever made 1148 00:49:07,026 --> 00:49:09,070 before people would stop hiring me. 1149 00:49:10,488 --> 00:49:12,031 I mean, it was reported everywhere. 1150 00:49:12,782 --> 00:49:15,535 And when I did talk to him once in a while, 1151 00:49:15,618 --> 00:49:17,287 I knew he was having a hard time. 1152 00:49:18,288 --> 00:49:19,456 SODERBERGH: You're a story. 1153 00:49:19,539 --> 00:49:21,833 I mean, people in the entertainment industry 1154 00:49:21,916 --> 00:49:23,835 are talking about 1155 00:49:23,918 --> 00:49:27,005 what a troubled production this is. 1156 00:49:27,088 --> 00:49:29,007 The director said he faced the head of the studio 1157 00:49:29,090 --> 00:49:30,758 and he said, "I can't do it in time!" 1158 00:49:31,342 --> 00:49:32,969 SPIELBERG: About 60 days into the schedule, 1159 00:49:33,052 --> 00:49:35,388 and we were already, like, 20 days behind schedule. 1160 00:49:35,472 --> 00:49:37,640 And somebody from Hollywood, an actor, 1161 00:49:37,724 --> 00:49:38,725 came over to me and said, 1162 00:49:38,808 --> 00:49:42,061 "Everybody's talking about you're never gonna get a job after this movie 1163 00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:44,397 "because you're irresponsible with budget." 1164 00:49:44,481 --> 00:49:46,983 This actor was so sure I would never work again, 1165 00:49:47,066 --> 00:49:48,526 they didn't care if they told me that. 1166 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:50,195 It was a very mean thing, by the way, to do. 1167 00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:53,865 I totally forgot about it when I got back to studio, 1168 00:49:53,948 --> 00:49:55,158 the movie that next week. 1169 00:49:55,783 --> 00:49:57,243 But that was really demoralizing. 1170 00:49:57,327 --> 00:49:58,786 And halfway through Jaws, 1171 00:49:58,870 --> 00:50:01,623 I couldn't guarantee control over anything. 1172 00:50:03,625 --> 00:50:05,752 There's a very real point 1173 00:50:05,835 --> 00:50:07,587 in the production of this film, 1174 00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:09,923 where conversations are being had 1175 00:50:10,006 --> 00:50:14,928 about whether or not it's actually physically possible 1176 00:50:15,011 --> 00:50:16,596 to make this film. 1177 00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:18,848 We were so far over budget 1178 00:50:18,932 --> 00:50:21,017 on both shooting days and money, 1179 00:50:21,100 --> 00:50:24,062 there was a strong undercurrent 1180 00:50:24,145 --> 00:50:26,564 that the studio would close us down, they'd say, "Enough." 1181 00:50:26,648 --> 00:50:28,900 I never once felt like I wanted to quit. 1182 00:50:28,983 --> 00:50:31,569 I was terrified I was gonna be fired. 1183 00:50:31,653 --> 00:50:34,280 At one point, Sid Sheinberg, who ran the studio, 1184 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:38,660 flew to Martha's Vineyard just to assess the damage. 1185 00:50:38,743 --> 00:50:40,620 And he was staying at the Kelley House, 1186 00:50:40,703 --> 00:50:42,413 a hotel there in Edgartown, 1187 00:50:42,497 --> 00:50:44,874 and he just pulled me behind the house. 1188 00:50:44,958 --> 00:50:47,835 We sat on these steps, these gray steps, together. 1189 00:50:47,919 --> 00:50:49,254 And we sat on the same step. 1190 00:50:49,337 --> 00:50:52,590 And he said, "I'm not sure this is possible, 1191 00:50:52,674 --> 00:50:53,967 "finishing the film this way. 1192 00:50:54,050 --> 00:50:55,134 "What do you think we should do?" 1193 00:50:55,218 --> 00:50:57,220 And I just said, "No, I want to go. I want to finish it. 1194 00:50:57,303 --> 00:50:58,471 "I can finish this movie." 1195 00:50:59,013 --> 00:51:00,848 When you're by yourself at night, 1196 00:51:00,932 --> 00:51:02,892 it weighs more heavily than during the working day 1197 00:51:02,976 --> 00:51:05,770 when your mind is on getting good film. 1198 00:51:05,853 --> 00:51:08,147 SPIELBERG: Scorsese used to come over to the set. 1199 00:51:08,231 --> 00:51:10,567 From New York, he'd fly down to Martha's Vineyard. 1200 00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,443 And he would just sit there feeling sorry for me, 1201 00:51:12,527 --> 00:51:14,946 (LAUGHS) and we would commiserate. 1202 00:51:15,029 --> 00:51:16,573 I noticed you bite your fingernails a lot. 1203 00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,658 Is that why, because you're juggling all the cash? 1204 00:51:18,741 --> 00:51:20,535 Yeah. No, because I don't smoke, I don't drink. 1205 00:51:20,618 --> 00:51:24,539 I asked Steven, "What did you do to unwind on those days where, 1206 00:51:24,622 --> 00:51:27,292 "if the shark wasn't breaking, your spirit was breaking?" 1207 00:51:27,375 --> 00:51:30,336 (LAUGHS) Like, "What did you do to relax and blow off steam?" 1208 00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:32,505 And he said, "I used to go to the arcade." 1209 00:51:34,591 --> 00:51:35,883 SPIELBERG: I talked to my mom a lot. 1210 00:51:35,967 --> 00:51:37,385 I mean, I was talking to my mom, kind of like, 1211 00:51:37,468 --> 00:51:41,097 "Mommy, this is really impossible! Help!" 1212 00:51:42,515 --> 00:51:48,187 It's really hard to read how slow things were going, 1213 00:51:48,813 --> 00:51:51,149 but also fascinating to see 1214 00:51:51,232 --> 00:51:56,029 how he's recalibrating, rebuilding it, reshooting, 1215 00:51:56,112 --> 00:51:58,740 coming up with ideas on set 1216 00:51:58,823 --> 00:52:04,037 to keep bringing the movie to life as he saw it. 1217 00:52:06,581 --> 00:52:07,915 "Slow ahead." 1218 00:52:07,999 --> 00:52:09,083 I can go slow ahead. 1219 00:52:09,167 --> 00:52:10,627 Come on down and chum some of this. 1220 00:52:13,421 --> 00:52:14,422 When the shark comes out 1221 00:52:14,505 --> 00:52:17,133 and Brody backs into the cabin, 1222 00:52:17,216 --> 00:52:19,510 I say, "Roy, when you back in, don't even look at him. 1223 00:52:19,594 --> 00:52:21,721 "Just keep looking at where the shark breached. 1224 00:52:21,804 --> 00:52:24,057 "Just back into the cabin." 1225 00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:26,267 "And just say, 'You're gonna need a bigger boat."' 1226 00:52:26,351 --> 00:52:27,810 You're gonna need a bigger boat. 1227 00:52:28,478 --> 00:52:32,649 Chief Brody was, like, my first on-screen crush, with that tan. 1228 00:52:32,732 --> 00:52:34,233 It's actually the expression on his face, 1229 00:52:34,317 --> 00:52:36,569 where he's chumming, and then he comes up 1230 00:52:36,653 --> 00:52:38,821 and his head comes into frame like that, 1231 00:52:38,905 --> 00:52:41,658 and the cigarette's, like, wet, you know? (LAUGHS) 1232 00:52:41,741 --> 00:52:43,201 I will never forget that shot. 1233 00:52:43,284 --> 00:52:45,453 I was like, "Oh, God, he's like my dream guy." 1234 00:52:45,536 --> 00:52:47,205 You're gonna need a bigger boat. 1235 00:52:47,288 --> 00:52:48,790 (LAUGHS) 1236 00:52:49,415 --> 00:52:50,667 "You're gonna need a bigger boat", 1237 00:52:50,750 --> 00:52:55,213 is a flag that you can fly after you leave that movie. 1238 00:52:55,963 --> 00:52:59,050 CAMERON: I think it's impossible to write a timeless line. 1239 00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:00,927 You know what I mean? I don't think you're sitting there going, 1240 00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:02,095 "Oh, that... 1241 00:53:02,178 --> 00:53:04,055 "What I just wrote, that's gonna be timeless." 1242 00:53:04,138 --> 00:53:05,390 You know, because it's all the context. 1243 00:53:05,473 --> 00:53:07,308 Where is the audience in the film? 1244 00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:08,518 How tense are they? 1245 00:53:08,601 --> 00:53:10,770 And what kind of release will it trigger? 1246 00:53:10,853 --> 00:53:12,939 Even a line that's not that funny. 1247 00:53:13,022 --> 00:53:14,107 When Arnold said... 1248 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:15,358 I'll be back. 1249 00:53:16,025 --> 00:53:18,778 CAMERON: You know, I didn't think that was going to be any big deal. 1250 00:53:18,861 --> 00:53:20,446 But the value of it is, 1251 00:53:20,530 --> 00:53:23,700 the audience is already in on the joke by that point, 1252 00:53:23,783 --> 00:53:25,118 so they read into it. 1253 00:53:25,201 --> 00:53:27,286 You put your gloves on, both of you! 1254 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:30,164 Where the Hooper and Brody and Quint characters 1255 00:53:30,248 --> 00:53:33,292 came together and had to deal with each other's backgrounds, 1256 00:53:33,376 --> 00:53:35,044 it involved a lot of improvisation. 1257 00:53:35,128 --> 00:53:36,629 Hey, Quint. Let it go. 1258 00:53:36,713 --> 00:53:38,089 Hey, Hooper! 1259 00:53:38,172 --> 00:53:39,424 You may be a big yahoo in the lab, 1260 00:53:39,507 --> 00:53:40,758 but out here, you're just supercargo! 1261 00:53:40,842 --> 00:53:42,760 If you don't want to backstroke home, you get down here! 1262 00:53:42,844 --> 00:53:44,387 YOUNG SPIELBERG: And we had tape recorders running. 1263 00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:45,638 And taking that improvisation, 1264 00:53:45,722 --> 00:53:47,390 finding a good line from Dreyfuss here 1265 00:53:47,473 --> 00:53:49,475 and a good line from Robert Shaw here, 1266 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:50,560 writing it down, 1267 00:53:50,643 --> 00:53:52,645 that became the day's work for the next day. 1268 00:53:52,729 --> 00:53:55,648 Hey, Chief. Best drop another chum marker. 1269 00:53:56,649 --> 00:53:58,192 SPIELBERG: And a lot of the movie was done that way. 1270 00:53:58,276 --> 00:54:00,653 The whole scene between Dreyfuss and Shaw, 1271 00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:02,488 sort of challenging each other, 1272 00:54:02,572 --> 00:54:05,283 where Quint drinks an entire can of beer, 1273 00:54:05,366 --> 00:54:06,826 and he crushes the can. 1274 00:54:07,744 --> 00:54:10,538 And Dreyfuss has a little Dixie Styrofoam cup of coffee, 1275 00:54:10,621 --> 00:54:12,290 and he crushes the Styrofoam. 1276 00:54:14,083 --> 00:54:15,293 That was made up on the day. 1277 00:54:15,376 --> 00:54:17,670 But we kept throwing ideas into the pot. 1278 00:54:18,171 --> 00:54:19,839 SHAW: Well, you know, we'll go out there. 1279 00:54:19,922 --> 00:54:21,007 There's just the three of us, 1280 00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:23,426 Scheider, Dreyfuss, me and the shark. 1281 00:54:23,509 --> 00:54:25,845 I think I know every detail of those two men's lives, 1282 00:54:25,928 --> 00:54:29,390 and it has been, to some extent, very boring. 1283 00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:31,976 They were three very different men 1284 00:54:32,059 --> 00:54:34,729 at three very different stages of their careers. 1285 00:54:34,812 --> 00:54:38,065 But I think part of the chemistry 1286 00:54:38,149 --> 00:54:41,068 is that there was a bit of themselves 1287 00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:42,904 that bled into those roles. 1288 00:54:42,987 --> 00:54:45,156 You've got city hands, Mr. Hooper. 1289 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,699 You've been counting money all your life. 1290 00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:48,367 All right, all right. Hey, I don't need this! 1291 00:54:48,451 --> 00:54:50,912 I don't need this working-class hero crap! 1292 00:54:50,995 --> 00:54:52,330 SCHEIDER: We were very competitive. 1293 00:54:52,413 --> 00:54:55,416 And the desire for all three to excel 1294 00:54:56,292 --> 00:54:59,670 pushed most of the scenes right to their limits. 1295 00:55:00,213 --> 00:55:02,632 And I think it was a challenge every day out, 1296 00:55:02,715 --> 00:55:06,010 to do as good or better as the other guy. 1297 00:55:06,093 --> 00:55:08,971 It also is exactly what's happening in the story. 1298 00:55:09,472 --> 00:55:11,390 And that, of course, helps the film. 1299 00:55:11,474 --> 00:55:12,767 What you got here? 1300 00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:14,977 A portable shower or a monkey cage? 1301 00:55:15,061 --> 00:55:16,437 Anti-shark cage. 1302 00:55:16,979 --> 00:55:20,608 Robert's off-screen skirmishes with Richard 1303 00:55:20,691 --> 00:55:22,902 helped the chemistry of the piece. 1304 00:55:23,528 --> 00:55:25,029 SHAW: We all have different methods. 1305 00:55:25,112 --> 00:55:27,740 I do tend to drink when totally bored, 1306 00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:31,202 and Roy does exercises and sunbathes, 1307 00:55:31,285 --> 00:55:33,371 Scheider does that, and Dreyfuss talks. 1308 00:55:33,454 --> 00:55:34,664 Dreyfuss just talks. 1309 00:55:35,206 --> 00:55:37,500 DREYFUSS: The character, as explained to me 1310 00:55:37,583 --> 00:55:39,627 before we began shooting, interested me. 1311 00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:43,089 INTERVIEWER: And after you had started shooting, what happened? 1312 00:55:45,550 --> 00:55:47,093 I had made a mistake. 1313 00:55:47,176 --> 00:55:49,554 SPIELBERG: There was a lot of Richard challenging Robert, 1314 00:55:49,637 --> 00:55:51,430 and Robert challenging Richard. 1315 00:55:51,514 --> 00:55:53,266 Stop playing with yourself, Hooper! 1316 00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:54,600 They were kind of sparring partners. 1317 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,477 Hooper! Full throttle! 1318 00:55:56,561 --> 00:55:59,105 I don't have to take this abuse much longer. 1319 00:55:59,188 --> 00:56:01,482 But it really turned out, in hindsight, 1320 00:56:01,566 --> 00:56:03,442 to be a kind of playful banter 1321 00:56:03,943 --> 00:56:06,529 that was unique to their personal relationships. 1322 00:56:07,196 --> 00:56:10,741 DREYFUSS: Robert was one of the most powerful people I've ever met. 1323 00:56:10,825 --> 00:56:12,618 Incredibly intense. 1324 00:56:12,702 --> 00:56:15,538 I mean, there was something that radiated out of him. 1325 00:56:15,621 --> 00:56:18,583 He was a remarkably gifted actor and writer. 1326 00:56:18,666 --> 00:56:20,793 He was also, unfortunately, 1327 00:56:20,877 --> 00:56:23,713 the most extraordinarily competitive person. 1328 00:56:24,505 --> 00:56:26,132 Unnecessarily competitive. 1329 00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:28,217 LAN: There was a love-hate relationship 1330 00:56:28,301 --> 00:56:29,510 between the two of them. 1331 00:56:29,594 --> 00:56:33,973 Robert was very frustrated with Richard's attitude. 1332 00:56:34,056 --> 00:56:37,435 As an actor, it's been an exercise in futility. 1333 00:56:37,518 --> 00:56:40,146 And Robert gave him a really hard time, 1334 00:56:40,229 --> 00:56:41,564 at least publicly. 1335 00:56:42,148 --> 00:56:44,609 But also, Robert could see the talent that was there, 1336 00:56:44,692 --> 00:56:46,986 and wanted him to succeed. 1337 00:56:47,069 --> 00:56:48,988 You want a drink? Drink to your leg? 1338 00:56:49,071 --> 00:56:51,574 I'll drink to your leg. Okay, so we drink to our legs. 1339 00:56:51,657 --> 00:56:52,658 (LAUGHS) 1340 00:56:52,742 --> 00:56:54,619 SPIELBERG: The scene that I'm proudest of in Jaws 1341 00:56:54,702 --> 00:56:56,120 was everything that takes place 1342 00:56:56,203 --> 00:56:58,289 in that one night in that cabin. 1343 00:56:58,372 --> 00:57:01,125 From the scar comparing 1344 00:57:01,208 --> 00:57:03,169 right through the Indianapolis speech, 1345 00:57:03,252 --> 00:57:05,463 is something that I actually and objectively, 1346 00:57:05,546 --> 00:57:06,964 can watch over and over again. 1347 00:57:08,382 --> 00:57:09,926 (LAUGHS) 1348 00:57:10,718 --> 00:57:13,346 So, Hooper, that's the USS Indianapolis. 1349 00:57:14,847 --> 00:57:18,351 Not only is it the 50th anniversary of Jaws, 1350 00:57:18,434 --> 00:57:20,311 but it's also the 80th anniversary 1351 00:57:20,394 --> 00:57:22,521 of the sinking of the USS Indianapolis. 1352 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:24,190 You were on the Indianapolis? 1353 00:57:24,273 --> 00:57:25,399 One of the greatest things 1354 00:57:25,483 --> 00:57:26,984 Howard Sackler left me with was, 1355 00:57:27,068 --> 00:57:30,237 he said, "I'd like to give Quint a motivation 1356 00:57:30,321 --> 00:57:32,031 for his hatred of sharks. 1357 00:57:33,115 --> 00:57:35,993 "Have you ever heard of the USS Indianapolis?" 1358 00:57:36,077 --> 00:57:37,662 And I got to tell you, I hadn't. 1359 00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:40,539 He told me the story of the Indianapolis 1360 00:57:40,623 --> 00:57:43,042 and its duty in World War ll, 1361 00:57:43,125 --> 00:57:46,212 bringing bomb parts for the atomic bomb. 1362 00:57:46,295 --> 00:57:47,463 What happened? 1363 00:57:48,756 --> 00:57:51,425 Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes 1364 00:57:51,509 --> 00:57:53,094 into her side, Chief. 1365 00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:55,763 1,100 men went into the water. 1366 00:57:56,764 --> 00:57:58,683 Vessel went down in 12 minutes. 1367 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,019 And all hands in the water, 1368 00:58:02,103 --> 00:58:04,230 ravaged by sharks. 1369 00:58:04,313 --> 00:58:06,857 Didn't see the first shark for about half an hour. 1370 00:58:07,483 --> 00:58:09,276 GOTTLIEB: Sackler knew about the Indianapolis. 1371 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:10,653 Well, he was in the Navy. 1372 00:58:10,736 --> 00:58:14,115 And he brought that incident into the screenplay. 1373 00:58:14,198 --> 00:58:16,575 He said, "This is the motivation we need." 1374 00:58:16,659 --> 00:58:20,496 Very first light, Chief, sharks come cruising. 1375 00:58:21,247 --> 00:58:22,331 SPIELBERG: And down the road a bit, 1376 00:58:22,415 --> 00:58:23,749 I went to my friend, John Milius. 1377 00:58:23,833 --> 00:58:26,877 He wrote Apocalypse Now and was a wonderful director. 1378 00:58:26,961 --> 00:58:28,295 And I said, "John, read the script 1379 00:58:28,379 --> 00:58:29,839 "and focus on this speech." 1380 00:58:30,506 --> 00:58:31,966 So John went away and he came back 1381 00:58:32,049 --> 00:58:34,927 and he sent me a seven and a half, eight page monologue. 1382 00:58:36,095 --> 00:58:38,222 Shaw said, "This is gonna bore the audience. 1383 00:58:38,305 --> 00:58:40,850 "I can't sit there and talk for eight minutes. 1384 00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:43,728 "Will you let me tonight, go home 1385 00:58:43,811 --> 00:58:45,604 and do a little rewrite of the speech?" 1386 00:58:45,688 --> 00:58:47,648 I said, "Please, have at it." 1387 00:58:48,899 --> 00:58:50,776 And Robert Shaw was a wonderful writer. 1388 00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:52,903 He had written The Man in the Glass Booth, the play. 1389 00:58:54,196 --> 00:58:55,781 And that's what is in the movie. 1390 00:58:56,365 --> 00:58:58,242 The shark comes to the nearest man 1391 00:58:58,325 --> 00:59:01,078 and then he starts poundin', hollerin' and screamin'. 1392 00:59:01,162 --> 00:59:02,997 Sometimes the shark would go away... 1393 00:59:04,790 --> 00:59:06,417 sometimes he wouldn't go away. 1394 00:59:07,043 --> 00:59:09,920 It's a fascinating thing to watch Robert Shaw 1395 00:59:10,004 --> 00:59:14,300 make the choice to play it with a smile, with relish, 1396 00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:18,012 and for you to then understand his obsession. 1397 00:59:18,095 --> 00:59:20,222 Like, he's haunted by the screams of those men 1398 00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:22,516 who all died around him, and you feel it. 1399 00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,394 The whole scene pulses with trauma. 1400 00:59:25,478 --> 00:59:27,063 Ah, then you hear that terrible 1401 00:59:27,146 --> 00:59:28,814 high-pitch screamin'. 1402 00:59:29,356 --> 00:59:31,108 The ocean turns red. 1403 00:59:31,609 --> 00:59:34,195 In spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', 1404 00:59:34,278 --> 00:59:35,613 they all come in, they... 1405 00:59:37,114 --> 00:59:39,033 rip you to pieces. 1406 00:59:39,116 --> 00:59:41,327 How do you psych yourself up for this kind of... 1407 00:59:41,410 --> 00:59:45,289 Well, scotch, vodka, gin, whatever. 1408 00:59:45,372 --> 00:59:46,665 With every week we were shooting, 1409 00:59:46,749 --> 00:59:47,958 he was becoming more and more like Quint. 1410 00:59:48,584 --> 00:59:50,961 He said to me, "I just want to have 1411 00:59:51,045 --> 00:59:52,171 a little buzz when I'm doing the speech, 1412 00:59:52,254 --> 00:59:55,633 "because I don't want to play drunk or act inebriated. 1413 00:59:55,716 --> 00:59:58,219 "Just one small drink, and that's all I'm gonna need." 1414 00:59:58,302 --> 01:00:00,429 INTERVIEWER: Have you pulled any benders, you, yourself, 1415 01:00:00,513 --> 01:00:01,680 while you're here? No. 1416 01:00:01,764 --> 01:00:04,600 The only time I'm ever drunk ever is on television. 1417 01:00:04,683 --> 01:00:07,561 I'm never drunk in private life or at work, or... 1418 01:00:07,645 --> 01:00:08,813 You all know that. 1419 01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:11,482 Stupidly, I said, "Sure! Go ahead." 1420 01:00:12,066 --> 01:00:13,317 I would never do that today. 1421 01:00:14,610 --> 01:00:16,362 The next day, two crew members 1422 01:00:16,445 --> 01:00:18,697 had to help Robert onto the Orca. 1423 01:00:20,282 --> 01:00:23,577 And he wasn't able to really get through the speech. 1424 01:00:24,829 --> 01:00:27,706 That night, I'm sleeping, sound asleep, my phone rings. 1425 01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:29,583 And it's Robert on the phone. 1426 01:00:30,209 --> 01:00:33,254 He says, "What happened? Did I embarrass you? 1427 01:00:33,337 --> 01:00:35,673 "I am so sorry if I did, I won't have a drink. 1428 01:00:35,756 --> 01:00:37,550 "Please give me a chance to do this tomorrow." 1429 01:00:37,633 --> 01:00:39,718 And he knocked it out of the ballpark the next day. 1430 01:00:39,802 --> 01:00:40,803 That was it. 1431 01:00:40,886 --> 01:00:41,887 Anyway... 1432 01:00:43,222 --> 01:00:44,557 we delivered the bomb. 1433 01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:47,935 Quint chose to be a shark hunter, 1434 01:00:48,018 --> 01:00:49,311 and he's put himself in direct line 1435 01:00:49,395 --> 01:00:52,148 with the thing that's caused all this trauma from the past. 1436 01:00:52,815 --> 01:00:53,983 Part of him is thinking, 1437 01:00:54,066 --> 01:00:56,443 "If I can overcome this, I can let go of the past finally." 1438 01:00:56,944 --> 01:00:58,362 You see fear in his eyes, 1439 01:00:58,904 --> 01:01:01,157 and he thinks, "This is the shark that's come to get me." 1440 01:01:02,324 --> 01:01:04,910 There's something really powerful about that kind of 1441 01:01:04,994 --> 01:01:06,495 inevitable tragic end. 1442 01:01:07,830 --> 01:01:09,665 This was always this character's fate. 1443 01:01:13,377 --> 01:01:15,754 Great whites have one of the most impressive 1444 01:01:15,838 --> 01:01:17,256 hunting behaviors, called a breach. 1445 01:01:19,466 --> 01:01:21,177 Oh, my gosh! 1446 01:01:21,260 --> 01:01:23,262 And you see this in the movie Jaws 1447 01:01:23,345 --> 01:01:24,430 when it breaches on the Orca. 1448 01:01:26,849 --> 01:01:29,393 I've never seen a great white do this on a boat. 1449 01:01:30,352 --> 01:01:32,396 Most of the time, you see great whites breaching, 1450 01:01:32,479 --> 01:01:35,274 it is a sure-fire kill on a seal. 1451 01:01:35,357 --> 01:01:39,153 But the suspense, as a piece of cinema, it was great. 1452 01:01:39,236 --> 01:01:40,905 (PANTING) 1453 01:01:40,988 --> 01:01:44,200 Horror is about things that shouldn't be but are. 1454 01:01:44,825 --> 01:01:46,744 If the shark is on the boat, 1455 01:01:46,827 --> 01:01:49,955 the laws of physics and the universe are upside down. 1456 01:01:51,498 --> 01:01:54,001 My death, you know, going into the shark's jaws, 1457 01:01:54,084 --> 01:01:56,879 quite an unpleasant thing, it weighs about several tons. 1458 01:01:56,962 --> 01:01:59,131 And the jaws absolutely come down on me 1459 01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:00,674 with hydraulic pressure, you know. 1460 01:02:02,051 --> 01:02:03,427 (SCREAMING) 1461 01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:05,596 When you do it 14 or 15 times 1462 01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:07,806 in this kind of weather, in the cold, 1463 01:02:07,890 --> 01:02:09,516 slide right into it, 1464 01:02:10,100 --> 01:02:12,144 and then the teeth come and bite you. 1465 01:02:12,228 --> 01:02:13,562 Not very nice. 1466 01:02:13,646 --> 01:02:16,106 Now my character's left aboard the boat, 1467 01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:17,858 and he's trapped inside the cabin, 1468 01:02:17,942 --> 01:02:18,984 and the boat is sinking. 1469 01:02:19,068 --> 01:02:20,194 INTERVIEWER: ls this your big scene? 1470 01:02:20,861 --> 01:02:21,862 SCHEIDER: it's the big scene. 1471 01:02:21,946 --> 01:02:23,614 And I'm not gonna tell you anymore. 1472 01:02:23,697 --> 01:02:25,866 One of the things that, for me as a kid, 1473 01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:27,201 made me say, "it's real," 1474 01:02:27,284 --> 01:02:29,078 is the piece of meat. 1475 01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:33,707 When the shark is thrashing, and you see this piece of meat 1476 01:02:33,791 --> 01:02:36,335 stuck between the teeth, dangling. 1477 01:02:36,418 --> 01:02:37,836 That is the genius. 1478 01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,004 MAN: Okay, start it. 1479 01:02:39,588 --> 01:02:41,507 Okay, Roy, action. 1480 01:02:41,590 --> 01:02:43,175 SPIELBERG: Blowing up the shark was not my idea. 1481 01:02:43,801 --> 01:02:45,219 Some of my earliest collaborators, 1482 01:02:45,302 --> 01:02:47,263 Hal Barwood and Matthew Robbins, 1483 01:02:47,346 --> 01:02:49,098 they wrote Sugarland Express. 1484 01:02:49,598 --> 01:02:51,225 I gave him Jaws to read, 1485 01:02:51,308 --> 01:02:52,601 and they gave me a lot of notes. 1486 01:02:52,685 --> 01:02:54,019 And one of the notes was, 1487 01:02:54,103 --> 01:02:55,688 "The shark's got to blow up at the end." 1488 01:02:55,771 --> 01:02:56,855 "What do you mean, 'Blow up at the end"'? 1489 01:02:56,939 --> 01:02:58,065 "It's got to blow up in the end, 1490 01:02:58,148 --> 01:02:59,149 "and you know how you do it? 1491 01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:03,779 "You throw into his mouth, into his jaws, a scuba tank. 1492 01:03:04,488 --> 01:03:07,866 "And then he chomps down on the scuba tank, 1493 01:03:07,950 --> 01:03:10,536 "and the pressure from the bite force blows it up." 1494 01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:13,789 I said, "That's not credible. 1495 01:03:13,872 --> 01:03:16,041 "A shark cannot bite through a scuba tank." 1496 01:03:17,293 --> 01:03:18,627 And then either Hal or Matt said, 1497 01:03:18,711 --> 01:03:21,547 "Okay, well, how about one of the characters takes a rifle 1498 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:25,384 "and he shoots a bullet into the tank 1499 01:03:25,467 --> 01:03:27,511 while the shark is approaching 1500 01:03:27,594 --> 01:03:29,096 "and blows it up that way?" 1501 01:03:29,179 --> 01:03:31,390 BRODY: Show me the tank. Show me the tank. 1502 01:03:32,057 --> 01:03:33,100 Blow up! 1503 01:03:33,183 --> 01:03:35,644 CAMERON: I think it's been debunked that you can actually blow up 1504 01:03:35,728 --> 01:03:38,731 a charged scuba cylinder with a high-powered rifle. 1505 01:03:38,814 --> 01:03:40,899 But I was a diver and I understood 1506 01:03:40,983 --> 01:03:42,609 the power of compressed air, 1507 01:03:42,693 --> 01:03:43,694 so I bought it. 1508 01:03:43,777 --> 01:03:46,363 You screw around with these tanks and they're gonna blow up! 1509 01:03:46,447 --> 01:03:48,907 CAMERON: And it was just a perfect moment of character. 1510 01:03:48,991 --> 01:03:50,367 The fact that he hates water, 1511 01:03:50,451 --> 01:03:51,910 the boat's sinking out from underneath him, 1512 01:03:51,994 --> 01:03:53,537 the shark's coming back for him. 1513 01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:56,749 All the pieces fell into place instantly in the moment. 1514 01:03:58,334 --> 01:04:00,919 And you just wind the tension tighter and tighter and tighter, 1515 01:04:01,003 --> 01:04:02,629 and, man, I'll tell you, that is an art form. 1516 01:04:02,713 --> 01:04:03,964 BRODY: Blow up! 1517 01:04:04,757 --> 01:04:07,468 When you think about it, it is a bit like the Death Star moment. 1518 01:04:07,551 --> 01:04:09,053 Smile, you son of a... 1519 01:04:12,139 --> 01:04:14,433 SODERBERGH: There is an undeniable satisfaction 1520 01:04:14,516 --> 01:04:16,185 in finally destroying this thing 1521 01:04:16,268 --> 01:04:18,103 that you've seen cause such carnage. 1522 01:04:18,187 --> 01:04:20,689 (LAUGHING) 1523 01:04:22,816 --> 01:04:25,986 For a movie in which you've invested two hours, 1524 01:04:26,653 --> 01:04:29,448 you need that kind of release. 1525 01:04:31,325 --> 01:04:33,702 I think the reason it works is that they really... 1526 01:04:33,786 --> 01:04:34,828 They earn it. 1527 01:04:37,706 --> 01:04:39,875 When the film wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1528 01:04:39,958 --> 01:04:42,211 I had a full-blown 1529 01:04:42,878 --> 01:04:43,879 panic attack. 1530 01:04:45,756 --> 01:04:48,467 I was in it, shall I say, over my head 1531 01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:51,345 for about seven or eight months on Martha's Vineyard. 1532 01:04:51,428 --> 01:04:53,722 It was, logistically, the most difficult movie 1533 01:04:53,806 --> 01:04:55,307 I think I'll ever make. 1534 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:58,435 I couldn't breathe, I thought I was having a heart attack. 1535 01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:00,312 I couldn't get a full breath of air. 1536 01:05:00,396 --> 01:05:01,480 I kept going to the bathroom 1537 01:05:01,563 --> 01:05:03,607 and splashing water on my face. 1538 01:05:03,690 --> 01:05:05,234 I was shaking. 1539 01:05:05,317 --> 01:05:07,569 And I was... I was out of it. 1540 01:05:07,653 --> 01:05:09,405 I was completely out of it. 1541 01:05:10,239 --> 01:05:11,573 And I think it was everything 1542 01:05:11,657 --> 01:05:13,242 that I had experienced on the island, 1543 01:05:13,325 --> 01:05:15,744 at least trying to not only hold myself together, 1544 01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:17,454 but hold the crew together. 1545 01:05:17,538 --> 01:05:19,706 And I had great people helping me hold the crew together. 1546 01:05:19,790 --> 01:05:24,128 I had Tom Joyner, the AD, I had Bill Butler, the DP, 1547 01:05:24,211 --> 01:05:26,296 Mike Chapman, the camera operator. 1548 01:05:27,172 --> 01:05:29,174 I had just a great crew, 1549 01:05:29,258 --> 01:05:31,635 and yet I felt responsible for everybody there, 1550 01:05:31,718 --> 01:05:33,178 and I felt really responsible for keeping them there 1551 01:05:33,262 --> 01:05:35,681 for as long as we had to stay. 1552 01:05:35,764 --> 01:05:37,391 And I think I just lost it. 1553 01:05:42,688 --> 01:05:44,064 WOMAN: Well, we're looking for a nice place 1554 01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:46,442 to show that Quint refuses to slow down the boat. 1555 01:05:53,407 --> 01:05:54,491 And we'll splice it. 1556 01:05:56,452 --> 01:06:00,497 Verna Fields, she was a force of stability for me. 1557 01:06:00,581 --> 01:06:02,791 Am in trouble with Jaws? (LAUGHS) 1558 01:06:02,875 --> 01:06:04,168 In Jaws trouble? 1559 01:06:04,251 --> 01:06:06,587 Verna was working at Martha's Vineyard. 1560 01:06:07,337 --> 01:06:09,339 I mean, I'm looking for our mark, our good place. 1561 01:06:10,090 --> 01:06:11,383 That's the spot, Steve. 1562 01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:14,052 But once they wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1563 01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:18,015 they came back to LA and they shot in the MGM tank. 1564 01:06:19,808 --> 01:06:21,393 MAN 1: You want to walk the plank here, Steven? 1565 01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:22,603 This is it. 1566 01:06:25,814 --> 01:06:27,107 We are ready. 1567 01:06:27,191 --> 01:06:28,358 MAN 2: Roll B camera, please. 1568 01:06:30,444 --> 01:06:32,905 The whole attack in the cage of the mechanical shark 1569 01:06:32,988 --> 01:06:36,241 attacking Richard Dreyfuss, was done in the tank at MGM. 1570 01:06:36,825 --> 01:06:37,910 MAN 2: Okay, attack! 1571 01:06:43,790 --> 01:06:47,044 And also the close-ups of the shark on the surface, 1572 01:06:47,127 --> 01:06:48,545 with the tank in its mouth. 1573 01:06:49,379 --> 01:06:50,380 And even the shots of, like, 1574 01:06:50,464 --> 01:06:51,924 the marbles that they were slingshotting 1575 01:06:52,007 --> 01:06:54,927 through the water to resemble the bullets. 1576 01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:56,553 Even though we wrapped in Martha's Vineyard, 1577 01:06:56,637 --> 01:06:58,972 the film kept shooting for another two months. 1578 01:06:59,973 --> 01:07:02,559 Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. 1579 01:07:02,643 --> 01:07:03,810 Once again, right away. 1580 01:07:03,894 --> 01:07:07,523 In a couple of cases, he had to go rogue 1581 01:07:07,606 --> 01:07:11,151 and pick up some of these inserts on his own 1582 01:07:11,235 --> 01:07:13,487 without really letting anybody know. 1583 01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:17,366 Because they told him, like, "The spigot is off." 1584 01:07:18,450 --> 01:07:22,287 I actually went into my editor Verna Field's swimming pool in the Valley. 1585 01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:23,580 I think Sherman Oaks. 1586 01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:27,584 When Hooper goes underwater and finds Ben Gardner's head. 1587 01:07:27,668 --> 01:07:29,169 We went into the pool, we shot it. 1588 01:07:29,878 --> 01:07:32,339 Keeps going back and making changes 1589 01:07:32,422 --> 01:07:35,425 and redoing things and making them better. 1590 01:07:36,009 --> 01:07:37,594 Hey! I got it! 1591 01:07:37,678 --> 01:07:39,137 (LINE ZIPPING) 1592 01:07:40,264 --> 01:07:41,765 What? Get behind me. 1593 01:07:41,848 --> 01:07:43,642 Watching Jaws for the first time 1594 01:07:43,725 --> 01:07:45,102 was a wonderful experience, 1595 01:07:45,185 --> 01:07:47,854 I would say, also very typical of Steven Spielberg 1596 01:07:47,938 --> 01:07:49,439 and his filmmaking technique 1597 01:07:49,523 --> 01:07:51,984 and the fun that he has making films. 1598 01:07:52,067 --> 01:07:54,194 And I remember thinking and telling him that 1599 01:07:54,278 --> 01:07:57,197 it was a great opportunity for me to create music 1600 01:07:57,281 --> 01:07:59,575 with a very young man that I worked with once, 1601 01:07:59,658 --> 01:08:01,994 Sugarland Express, who I liked enormously. 1602 01:08:02,077 --> 01:08:03,036 Show me the bass. 1603 01:08:03,161 --> 01:08:05,038 It should be big on the A, D. MAN: Yeah. 1604 01:08:05,122 --> 01:08:07,291 You have two notes there. (NOTES PLAYING ON INSTRUMENT) 1605 01:08:07,374 --> 01:08:10,711 I don't know that you can talk about Jaws 1606 01:08:10,794 --> 01:08:14,339 without talking about those two iconic notes 1607 01:08:14,423 --> 01:08:16,258 that John Williams created. 1608 01:08:17,384 --> 01:08:19,344 SPIELBERG: All human beings come equipped... 1609 01:08:19,428 --> 01:08:20,637 Hey, take, please. 1610 01:08:20,721 --> 01:08:23,849 ...to be able to suspend our disbelief, 1611 01:08:23,932 --> 01:08:26,977 to be transported more by music 1612 01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:30,647 than any other single art stimulus. 1613 01:08:31,607 --> 01:08:35,569 Music, with our eyes closed, will take us places 1614 01:08:35,652 --> 01:08:38,447 that no other medium or art form can take us. 1615 01:08:39,072 --> 01:08:41,908 John Williams told us when to react 1616 01:08:41,992 --> 01:08:45,037 and when to start getting ready for an attack. 1617 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,748 One, two, three, one. 1618 01:08:47,831 --> 01:08:50,834 John Williams showed you the power of just music and image, 1619 01:08:50,917 --> 01:08:54,212 and you see the victim from the predator's point of view. 1620 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,674 That relentless score with those low cellos, 1621 01:08:57,758 --> 01:08:59,134 you become that shark. 1622 01:09:00,510 --> 01:09:03,180 This idea of characterizing the shark musically... 1623 01:09:03,263 --> 01:09:04,890 He's taking it. He's taking it. Hey! 1624 01:09:04,973 --> 01:09:07,392 WILLIAMS: ...was the result of a very simple idea that I had. 1625 01:09:07,476 --> 01:09:09,686 I thought maybe some kind of bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, 1626 01:09:09,770 --> 01:09:13,357 might indicate this mindless attack of the shark, 1627 01:09:14,024 --> 01:09:15,901 this relentless drive that it has. 1628 01:09:16,818 --> 01:09:18,654 And you don't know if it will work on an audience 1629 01:09:18,737 --> 01:09:19,821 until you try it. 1630 01:09:27,579 --> 01:09:29,373 REBELLO: Next door is The Island Theater. 1631 01:09:29,456 --> 01:09:31,124 It's closed down at the moment. 1632 01:09:31,208 --> 01:09:34,753 But back in 1975, when the movie came out, 1633 01:09:34,836 --> 01:09:35,879 it had the premiere there. 1634 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,466 It was the biggest thing to really hit the island 1635 01:09:39,549 --> 01:09:40,717 in my lifetime, at that point. 1636 01:09:44,513 --> 01:09:47,349 When they had the debut in June, 1637 01:09:47,432 --> 01:09:49,226 it was very crowded, very hot. 1638 01:09:50,310 --> 01:09:53,480 And a bunch of us got to go in and sit upstairs, 1639 01:09:53,563 --> 01:09:55,440 which is like the VIP area. 1640 01:09:56,650 --> 01:09:58,110 We didn't know what to expect. 1641 01:09:58,735 --> 01:10:00,737 Within ten minutes, I'm jumping out of my seat and I'm saying, 1642 01:10:00,821 --> 01:10:02,698 "I never saw that when I was on the beach all summer." 1643 01:10:03,365 --> 01:10:05,409 We started to realize that, while we experienced 1644 01:10:05,492 --> 01:10:07,452 this whole summer on the beach, 1645 01:10:08,036 --> 01:10:10,664 we never really knew how a movie's made. 1646 01:10:10,747 --> 01:10:13,041 My whole first time I saw it, 1647 01:10:13,125 --> 01:10:15,836 was just seeing who was in it that I didn't know. 1648 01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:18,922 MAN 1: You know, it was almost embarrassing. 1649 01:10:19,673 --> 01:10:22,551 It was the first time I'd seen myself on the screen, 1650 01:10:22,634 --> 01:10:24,010 but to see the finished product 1651 01:10:24,094 --> 01:10:26,346 be as spectacular as it was, 1652 01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:27,848 was very rewarding. 1653 01:10:28,598 --> 01:10:31,184 WENDY: David Brown and Richard Zanuck asked Peter and I 1654 01:10:31,268 --> 01:10:34,354 to go to a private screening of Jaws 1655 01:10:34,438 --> 01:10:37,149 along with many of our dive friends, 1656 01:10:37,232 --> 01:10:40,610 Ron and Valerie Taylor, Stan Waterman. 1657 01:10:40,694 --> 01:10:43,238 And we had no idea whether this movie 1658 01:10:43,321 --> 01:10:45,657 was going to really work with people 1659 01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:48,118 who knew the ocean and knew sharks. 1660 01:10:48,201 --> 01:10:51,496 And at the end, they all got up and applauded 1661 01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:54,040 and thought it was absolutely fabulous. 1662 01:10:55,041 --> 01:10:57,711 MAN 2: it was the first movie to break $100 million. 1663 01:10:57,794 --> 01:11:00,046 It annihilated the competition that had come before it. 1664 01:11:00,130 --> 01:11:02,758 The Exorcist, The Godfather, those big massive hits. 1665 01:11:02,841 --> 01:11:04,634 Jaws eclipsed them by a long, long way. 1666 01:11:04,718 --> 01:11:07,387 And by the end of it, it actually finished its domestic run, 1667 01:11:07,471 --> 01:11:09,347 it had made a quarter of a billion dollars, 1668 01:11:09,431 --> 01:11:11,975 which is over a billion dollars today. 1669 01:11:12,058 --> 01:11:13,101 GOTTLIEB: There were mixed reviews. 1670 01:11:13,185 --> 01:11:15,812 The reviews at first were what we were expecting, 1671 01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:18,648 which was, "Okay, here's the popcorn summer picture." 1672 01:11:18,732 --> 01:11:20,233 And it wasn't until, like, 1673 01:11:20,317 --> 01:11:23,445 the third month of release when it kept grossing. 1674 01:11:23,528 --> 01:11:24,988 A lot of the reviewers said, 1675 01:11:25,071 --> 01:11:26,740 "You know, there's something here we missed," 1676 01:11:26,823 --> 01:11:28,658 and that turned out to be true. 1677 01:11:30,285 --> 01:11:32,287 The summer and fall of '75 1678 01:11:32,370 --> 01:11:35,832 had two major events in terms of our culture. 1679 01:11:35,916 --> 01:11:37,876 Jaws became a part of the culture. 1680 01:11:37,959 --> 01:11:41,087 And they had the first live telecast 1681 01:11:41,171 --> 01:11:42,214 of Saturday Night Live. 1682 01:11:42,297 --> 01:11:45,008 Live from New York, it's Saturday night! 1683 01:11:45,091 --> 01:11:48,512 I was in the audience when the land shark showed up. 1684 01:11:48,595 --> 01:11:49,596 What is it? 1685 01:11:50,222 --> 01:11:51,223 Land shark. 1686 01:11:51,306 --> 01:11:53,266 Remember Candygram? MAN 1: Candygram. 1687 01:11:53,975 --> 01:11:55,018 That was hysterical! 1688 01:11:55,101 --> 01:11:56,269 (SCREAMS) 1689 01:11:57,145 --> 01:11:58,730 Not only was it summer, 1690 01:11:58,814 --> 01:12:01,191 and suddenly you were afraid of going to the beach, 1691 01:12:01,274 --> 01:12:02,400 but it was also just something that 1692 01:12:02,484 --> 01:12:03,652 was on everyone's lips. 1693 01:12:03,735 --> 01:12:05,278 Jaws! (LAUGHS) 1694 01:12:05,362 --> 01:12:08,740 Jaws wasn't just a movie, it was a pop culture phenomenon. 1695 01:12:09,366 --> 01:12:11,701 People wanted to put things on that were about Jaws. 1696 01:12:12,536 --> 01:12:14,579 And I desperately wanted a T-shirt. 1697 01:12:16,706 --> 01:12:20,252 The first two records I bought as a kid with my own money 1698 01:12:20,335 --> 01:12:21,711 were The Godfather and Jaws. 1699 01:12:21,795 --> 01:12:23,922 MAN 2: Shark business has been terrific. 1700 01:12:24,464 --> 01:12:26,842 Everything's gone that even looks like a shark. 1701 01:12:26,925 --> 01:12:29,803 And I just wanted to get every little thing I could find, 1702 01:12:29,886 --> 01:12:31,680 toys, magazines, books. 1703 01:12:32,264 --> 01:12:34,099 SPIELBERG: Jaws made the cover of Time, 1704 01:12:34,182 --> 01:12:36,101 and we also made the cover of Mad Magazine. 1705 01:12:36,726 --> 01:12:38,603 I got to tell you, I was prouder 1706 01:12:38,687 --> 01:12:40,397 of being on the cover of Mad Magazine. 1707 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:41,940 (LAUGHS) 1708 01:12:42,023 --> 01:12:43,859 They had towels and T-shirts. 1709 01:12:44,359 --> 01:12:47,112 There's that great picture of Dick Zanuck sitting there 1710 01:12:47,195 --> 01:12:48,822 with all the merch around him. 1711 01:12:49,865 --> 01:12:52,909 So it became this monster in its own right. 1712 01:12:58,790 --> 01:13:00,250 When a film is on the cusp 1713 01:13:00,333 --> 01:13:02,794 of being considered for awards, 1714 01:13:02,878 --> 01:13:05,589 it's not so much what you want for yourself, 1715 01:13:05,672 --> 01:13:08,675 it's what everybody else says is going to happen for you. 1716 01:13:08,758 --> 01:13:10,176 Steve, if you're not number one, 1717 01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:11,553 then I know there's a fix in. 1718 01:13:12,304 --> 01:13:13,805 SPIELBERG: So I just understood 1719 01:13:13,889 --> 01:13:15,056 that I guess I'm getting nominated. 1720 01:13:16,099 --> 01:13:18,310 So when I wasn't, I was surprised, 1721 01:13:18,393 --> 01:13:19,644 and I was disappointed. 1722 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:21,855 I wasn't nominated for best director for Jaws. 1723 01:13:21,938 --> 01:13:24,608 Because I was believing the noise, 1724 01:13:24,691 --> 01:13:26,651 and you have to not believe that stuff. 1725 01:13:28,069 --> 01:13:29,863 But the film won for music. 1726 01:13:29,946 --> 01:13:31,197 John Williams for Jaws. 1727 01:13:31,281 --> 01:13:32,282 SPIELBERG: And sound. 1728 01:13:32,365 --> 01:13:35,201 Robert L. Hoyt, Roger Heman, Earl Madery 1729 01:13:35,285 --> 01:13:36,703 and John Carter for Jaws! 1730 01:13:36,786 --> 01:13:37,996 SPIELBERG: And editing. 1731 01:13:38,538 --> 01:13:40,332 Verna Fields for Jaws. 1732 01:13:41,666 --> 01:13:44,878 SPIELBERG: And Jaws was up for best picture against 1733 01:13:44,961 --> 01:13:46,796 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, 1734 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,632 which, of course, won the Oscar. 1735 01:13:48,715 --> 01:13:49,925 Oh, yeah, I would have voted for 1736 01:13:50,008 --> 01:13:51,217 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest 1737 01:13:51,301 --> 01:13:52,552 over Jaws for best picture. 1738 01:13:52,636 --> 01:13:53,678 I would have done that. 1739 01:13:54,262 --> 01:13:55,639 REPORTER: You have to ask the question, 1740 01:13:55,722 --> 01:13:58,224 would people have gotten this excited over a shark 1741 01:13:58,308 --> 01:13:59,309 two or three years ago, 1742 01:13:59,392 --> 01:14:01,895 before the book and the movie of Jaws? 1743 01:14:01,978 --> 01:14:03,813 Well, one of the crewmen on the boat that caught it 1744 01:14:03,897 --> 01:14:05,523 said, "Two or three years ago, 1745 01:14:05,607 --> 01:14:08,151 "we wouldn't have even taken the time to catch it." 1746 01:14:08,234 --> 01:14:11,655 When Jaws came out, we were truly horrified 1747 01:14:11,738 --> 01:14:15,408 to see that some people took it as a license 1748 01:14:15,492 --> 01:14:16,826 to go kill sharks. 1749 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,997 One of the bad things that came out of the film 1750 01:14:21,081 --> 01:14:22,832 was shark hunting spiked. 1751 01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:25,085 MAN 3: Teeth fall out and you put them on a gold chain 1752 01:14:25,168 --> 01:14:26,544 and you go to the movie and see Jaws, 1753 01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:27,879 and you have it made. 1754 01:14:27,963 --> 01:14:28,964 Everybody thinks you're the best. 1755 01:14:29,047 --> 01:14:31,007 Trophy hunting was very popular, 1756 01:14:31,091 --> 01:14:33,259 and the numbers of white sharks 1757 01:14:33,343 --> 01:14:36,096 had gone down as much as 80%. 1758 01:14:36,972 --> 01:14:38,682 People wanted to be like Quint, 1759 01:14:39,307 --> 01:14:41,559 people wanted to have that trophy 1760 01:14:41,643 --> 01:14:42,686 that they could show off. 1761 01:14:42,769 --> 01:14:45,105 $10,000 for me, by myself. 1762 01:14:45,188 --> 01:14:47,607 For that, you get the head, the tail, 1763 01:14:47,691 --> 01:14:49,442 the whole damn thing. 1764 01:14:49,526 --> 01:14:52,445 There's definitely that kind of negative connotation 1765 01:14:52,529 --> 01:14:54,906 that came from Jaws about sharks, 1766 01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:56,616 which is very unfortunate because I think 1767 01:14:56,700 --> 01:14:58,284 there's other takeaways as well. 1768 01:14:58,994 --> 01:15:00,578 The impact of the movie, you know, 1769 01:15:00,662 --> 01:15:02,664 was horrendous at first, 1770 01:15:02,747 --> 01:15:04,165 but now people are really interested 1771 01:15:04,249 --> 01:15:05,250 in the shark itself, 1772 01:15:05,333 --> 01:15:07,043 you know, not just something scary. 1773 01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:09,546 Because of this film, 1774 01:15:09,629 --> 01:15:13,258 we've had so much energy that has come into the field 1775 01:15:13,341 --> 01:15:14,884 of learning and understanding sharks 1776 01:15:14,968 --> 01:15:16,344 and also safeguarding them. 1777 01:15:18,346 --> 01:15:20,849 SKERRY: There's hundreds of species of sharks. 1778 01:15:20,932 --> 01:15:24,894 They all do vital things, keeping the ocean healthy, 1779 01:15:25,854 --> 01:15:28,690 and therefore, the scariest thing 1780 01:15:28,773 --> 01:15:30,275 would be an ocean without sharks. 1781 01:15:31,484 --> 01:15:33,403 Now we're much more enlightened, 1782 01:15:33,486 --> 01:15:35,405 but there's still horrific 1783 01:15:35,488 --> 01:15:37,824 slaughter of sharks going on out there. 1784 01:15:37,907 --> 01:15:40,118 There's a lot of the fishing industry where they fin them 1785 01:15:40,201 --> 01:15:41,911 and they put them back in the water still alive, 1786 01:15:41,995 --> 01:15:44,122 so they just sink to the bottom and die. 1787 01:15:44,205 --> 01:15:47,000 And those of us that are in ocean conservation 1788 01:15:47,083 --> 01:15:48,501 are trying to prevent that. 1789 01:15:49,085 --> 01:15:52,839 That is the really big issue in the oceans 1790 01:15:52,922 --> 01:15:55,675 for the devastation of the shark population. 1791 01:15:57,302 --> 01:16:00,847 With conservation efforts and protection of the species, 1792 01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:03,975 we're seeing the population start to rebound. 1793 01:16:04,059 --> 01:16:06,186 Today, if a shark washes up on a beach, 1794 01:16:06,269 --> 01:16:07,270 which has actually happened, 1795 01:16:07,353 --> 01:16:09,522 now we see people trying to get this animal 1796 01:16:09,606 --> 01:16:11,524 back into the water and resuscitate it. 1797 01:16:12,108 --> 01:16:14,235 That would have never happened 50 years ago. 1798 01:16:15,361 --> 01:16:18,823 The negative reaction hurt us and horrified us, 1799 01:16:18,907 --> 01:16:22,869 and we became passionate defenders of sharks. 1800 01:16:22,952 --> 01:16:26,456 We went with the National Geographic on expeditions, 1801 01:16:26,539 --> 01:16:28,458 and we were so fortunate 1802 01:16:28,541 --> 01:16:31,461 to learn with these scientists and other experts. 1803 01:16:31,544 --> 01:16:35,465 After all of this time of being aware of and fishing for 1804 01:16:35,548 --> 01:16:37,884 and somehow encouraging the animal, 1805 01:16:37,967 --> 01:16:39,302 now the time has come to protect it. 1806 01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:42,180 Peter died in '06, 1807 01:16:42,263 --> 01:16:44,140 and I wish he were here now 1808 01:16:44,224 --> 01:16:46,810 to be able to see all of these changes, 1809 01:16:46,893 --> 01:16:49,979 and to see that Jaws is still relevant 1810 01:16:50,063 --> 01:16:51,272 after 50 years. 1811 01:16:51,356 --> 01:16:53,441 I think he'd be very, very pleased. 1812 01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:58,988 We've also got people outside of the immediate Jaws family 1813 01:16:59,072 --> 01:17:01,825 picking up the gauntlet and driving the legacy forward. 1814 01:17:02,450 --> 01:17:03,743 Like Robert Shaw's son, 1815 01:17:03,827 --> 01:17:06,496 who has co-written a play called The Shark ls Broken, 1816 01:17:06,579 --> 01:17:08,540 about the making of Jaws, which is set on the Orca, 1817 01:17:08,623 --> 01:17:09,624 in which he plays his dad. 1818 01:17:09,707 --> 01:17:10,708 (LAUGHING) 1819 01:17:10,792 --> 01:17:12,335 Who gets top billing? 1820 01:17:12,418 --> 01:17:15,880 There's such a generosity of feeling towards Jaws, 1821 01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:19,551 and there's such a desire to revisit and go back. 1822 01:17:20,135 --> 01:17:21,803 My father would have been shocked. 1823 01:17:22,345 --> 01:17:25,014 The idea that 50 years later, 1824 01:17:25,098 --> 01:17:27,934 people would still be quite so interested. 1825 01:17:28,768 --> 01:17:29,853 He would think it would be like 1826 01:17:29,936 --> 01:17:31,354 some sort of weird religious cult. 1827 01:17:32,021 --> 01:17:33,356 I honest to God thought 1828 01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:35,650 I was really the only Jaws fan out there. 1829 01:17:35,733 --> 01:17:37,318 And then came the Internet. 1830 01:17:38,111 --> 01:17:39,946 Now, on Facebook, there's Jaws groups. 1831 01:17:40,446 --> 01:17:42,115 Instagram, there's Jaws groups. 1832 01:17:42,699 --> 01:17:44,242 The Daily Jaws is out there. 1833 01:17:44,784 --> 01:17:47,871 The goal was to post something about Jaws on social media 1834 01:17:47,954 --> 01:17:50,165 every day to celebrate the 40th anniversary. 1835 01:17:51,166 --> 01:17:53,793 People were really resonating with what we were posting, 1836 01:17:53,877 --> 01:17:55,879 and people said, "You got to keep going." 1837 01:17:55,962 --> 01:17:57,463 So 10 years later, here we are. 1838 01:17:57,964 --> 01:17:59,716 Just last week, I was at the grocery store, 1839 01:17:59,799 --> 01:18:03,219 and on the inside of the grocery cart, 1840 01:18:03,303 --> 01:18:05,805 it said, "You're gonna need a bigger cart." 1841 01:18:07,098 --> 01:18:08,892 MAN: Jaws has become one of these movies 1842 01:18:08,975 --> 01:18:10,894 that's kind of taken on a life of its own. 1843 01:18:10,977 --> 01:18:13,813 In terms of the main community, there's quite a few. 1844 01:18:14,647 --> 01:18:16,941 When you look on your phone and you're looking at the map, 1845 01:18:17,025 --> 01:18:21,529 you see Jaws Bridge as one of the locations on Google Maps. 1846 01:18:22,030 --> 01:18:25,742 They have names of drinks at bars named after Jaws. 1847 01:18:25,825 --> 01:18:27,577 For the beach scene in Us, 1848 01:18:27,660 --> 01:18:31,247 I remember begging Steven to allow me to use 1849 01:18:31,331 --> 01:18:33,333 the Jaws shirt in my scene 1850 01:18:33,416 --> 01:18:35,710 because what he was doing with Hitchcock, 1851 01:18:35,793 --> 01:18:38,504 I was piggybacking and sort of doing with him. 1852 01:18:38,588 --> 01:18:42,342 There's still Jaws merchandise being created. 1853 01:18:45,887 --> 01:18:47,513 There's a LEGO coming out. 1854 01:18:47,597 --> 01:18:49,807 There's people doing T-shirts, posters. 1855 01:18:49,891 --> 01:18:52,185 And people are still buying it because they're still drawn 1856 01:18:52,268 --> 01:18:54,646 to everything associated with Jaws. 1857 01:18:54,729 --> 01:18:56,231 My theme of my birthday party 1858 01:18:56,314 --> 01:18:58,024 when I was, like, two years old was Jaws.. 1859 01:18:58,441 --> 01:18:59,442 What? Mmm-hmm. 1860 01:19:01,027 --> 01:19:03,738 You know what's very interesting about this, Laurent. 1861 01:19:03,863 --> 01:19:06,241 You know that shower scene in... INTERVIEWER: Psycho. 1862 01:19:06,324 --> 01:19:08,201 (PLAYS PSYCHO STING) 1863 01:19:08,284 --> 01:19:10,787 Which has terrified us when we saw the movie, 1864 01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:12,997 and now if I say it to an audience 1865 01:19:13,081 --> 01:19:14,749 and demonstrate something, they all laugh. 1866 01:19:14,832 --> 01:19:15,833 It becomes funny. 1867 01:19:15,917 --> 01:19:17,168 What also is funny... 1868 01:19:17,252 --> 01:19:18,544 (PLAYS JAWS THEME) 1869 01:19:18,628 --> 01:19:19,629 They will laugh. 1870 01:19:20,296 --> 01:19:24,050 So there's been a change of response over the years 1871 01:19:24,133 --> 01:19:26,052 to something that actually, when we first... 1872 01:19:26,135 --> 01:19:28,179 in the context for which it was written, 1873 01:19:28,263 --> 01:19:31,140 has become now a cultural thing. 1874 01:19:31,224 --> 01:19:34,018 Where it's going to be 50 years from now, I don't know. 1875 01:19:34,936 --> 01:19:36,604 MAN: All right, it's January 12. 1876 01:19:36,688 --> 01:19:39,816 So we have successfully stripped 1877 01:19:39,899 --> 01:19:43,486 all of the textured paint off. 1878 01:19:44,279 --> 01:19:47,615 NICOTERO: In 1991, the shark ended up in a junkyard. 1879 01:19:47,699 --> 01:19:49,075 The junkyard was closing. 1880 01:19:49,158 --> 01:19:52,662 It got donated to the Motion Picture Academy Museum, 1881 01:19:52,745 --> 01:19:54,247 and I reached out to them and I said, 1882 01:19:54,330 --> 01:19:57,166 "I would love to do the restoration." 1883 01:19:57,250 --> 01:19:59,961 I'm friends with Joe Alves. We can consult. 1884 01:20:00,586 --> 01:20:02,797 I have access to all the original teeth, 1885 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,550 because the inside of the mouth needed to be sculpted, 1886 01:20:05,633 --> 01:20:07,468 the gills needed to be sculpted, 1887 01:20:07,552 --> 01:20:08,761 some of the fins were gone. 1888 01:20:08,845 --> 01:20:10,346 As you can see, 1889 01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:14,142 it's really in fantastic condition underneath. 1890 01:20:14,851 --> 01:20:17,270 And we had a crew of about nine people, 1891 01:20:17,353 --> 01:20:19,856 and it took us about six months. 1892 01:20:20,857 --> 01:20:22,233 So I donated a lot of the labor 1893 01:20:22,317 --> 01:20:23,943 because I really wanted to do it. 1894 01:20:24,444 --> 01:20:27,196 And lo and behold, now it exists again. 1895 01:20:32,660 --> 01:20:34,370 YOUNG SPIELBERG: When you make a film, at least when I make a film, 1896 01:20:34,454 --> 01:20:36,039 I have to be passionate about the subject matter. 1897 01:20:36,122 --> 01:20:37,457 I have to know that that's all I want to do 1898 01:20:37,540 --> 01:20:38,875 for the next couple of years. 1899 01:20:38,958 --> 01:20:40,418 And I have to know that's where my lifestyle 1900 01:20:40,501 --> 01:20:41,961 will be two years from now. 1901 01:20:42,045 --> 01:20:43,546 I just think it's very important to... 1902 01:20:43,629 --> 01:20:46,341 You know, to spend the time and, you know, 1903 01:20:46,424 --> 01:20:49,260 consider each film kind of 1904 01:20:49,344 --> 01:20:50,887 the beginning, middle and end of your life. 1905 01:20:51,637 --> 01:20:54,140 SPIELBERG: I had a real tough time when I finished the movie, 1906 01:20:54,223 --> 01:20:56,434 and the success was fantastic, 1907 01:20:56,517 --> 01:20:58,519 but it didn't stop the nightmares. 1908 01:20:58,603 --> 01:21:01,606 It didn't stop me waking up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat, 1909 01:21:01,689 --> 01:21:03,983 where the sheets would be soaking wet. 1910 01:21:04,067 --> 01:21:07,236 We didn't have the words "PTSD" in those days, 1911 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,821 and I had consistent nightmares 1912 01:21:08,905 --> 01:21:11,449 about directing Jaws for years afterwards. 1913 01:21:11,532 --> 01:21:14,577 I was still on the movie, and the film was never ending. 1914 01:21:15,203 --> 01:21:16,496 When they brought one of the boats 1915 01:21:16,579 --> 01:21:18,206 all the way back from Martha's Vineyard 1916 01:21:18,289 --> 01:21:19,916 and shipped the boat, the Orca, 1917 01:21:19,999 --> 01:21:21,250 to the Universal back lot 1918 01:21:21,334 --> 01:21:23,628 and put it in the water right next to the Jaws ride. 1919 01:21:23,711 --> 01:21:24,962 (PEOPLE SCREAMING) 1920 01:21:26,339 --> 01:21:28,216 I used to get on my electric cart 1921 01:21:28,299 --> 01:21:29,759 without telling anybody, 1922 01:21:30,343 --> 01:21:31,803 and I would sneak behind the trams, 1923 01:21:31,886 --> 01:21:33,137 nobody could see me. 1924 01:21:33,221 --> 01:21:35,390 And I'd just sneak onboard the boat, 1925 01:21:35,473 --> 01:21:37,725 and I would sit in the cabin 1926 01:21:37,809 --> 01:21:40,311 in that little leather red booth, 1927 01:21:41,229 --> 01:21:44,482 and I would just sit there and sometimes cry. 1928 01:21:44,565 --> 01:21:47,402 I had nothing to cry about. The film was this phenomenon. 1929 01:21:47,485 --> 01:21:50,196 And I'm sitting here shedding tears 1930 01:21:50,279 --> 01:21:54,117 because I am not able to divest myself 1931 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:55,451 of the experience. 1932 01:21:55,535 --> 01:21:58,621 The boat helped me to begin to forget. 1933 01:21:58,704 --> 01:22:02,500 That Orca was my therapeutic companion 1934 01:22:02,583 --> 01:22:05,795 for several years after Jaws came out. 1935 01:22:08,506 --> 01:22:10,591 NICOTERO: Jaws has transcended time 1936 01:22:10,675 --> 01:22:13,970 because it's built this mythology. 1937 01:22:14,053 --> 01:22:16,681 And aside from the fact that it's a great movie, 1938 01:22:16,764 --> 01:22:20,393 it's also a unique cautionary tale about filmmaking. 1939 01:22:21,853 --> 01:22:27,150 People are still enthralled with how man slayed the beast. 1940 01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:28,860 MAN: Break it up, will ya, Chief? 1941 01:22:29,569 --> 01:22:31,237 Daylight's wastin'! 1942 01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:36,993 This was a movie that taught me that horror 1943 01:22:37,076 --> 01:22:41,789 didn't have to be something that left me feeling icky. 1944 01:22:43,624 --> 01:22:44,917 You okay? 1945 01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:48,254 MASLIN: it hasn't lost a minute in terms of timeliness. 1946 01:22:48,921 --> 01:22:51,674 If anything, it seems fresher to me now than it did then. 1947 01:22:51,757 --> 01:22:54,802 We're more afraid of the natural world than we were. 1948 01:22:55,344 --> 01:22:59,098 And we're more acclimated to the same kind of corruption 1949 01:22:59,182 --> 01:23:01,142 where politicians will do anything 1950 01:23:01,225 --> 01:23:03,186 to hide what they don't want you to know. 1951 01:23:04,812 --> 01:23:05,938 ZEMECKIS: I think it's fair to say that 1952 01:23:06,022 --> 01:23:07,607 cinema wouldn't be where it is without Jaws. 1953 01:23:08,691 --> 01:23:12,528 It just supercharged the language of cinema. 1954 01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:14,071 Hurry it up. He's coming straight for us. 1955 01:23:14,155 --> 01:23:15,865 Don't screw it up now. Don't wait for me. 1956 01:23:17,158 --> 01:23:19,035 Jaws moved the bar in terms of 1957 01:23:19,118 --> 01:23:22,371 audiences and what kind of thrill they might get. 1958 01:23:25,791 --> 01:23:27,585 GOTTLIEB: it's only the audience that makes a hit. 1959 01:23:28,544 --> 01:23:31,047 And after 50 years, they've been telling us, "Okay, Jaws is a hit." 1960 01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:32,131 We like this movie. 1961 01:23:33,174 --> 01:23:35,718 It's an endless conversation you can have about Jaws, 1962 01:23:35,801 --> 01:23:37,887 and all the details forever seem 1963 01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:39,055 to reveal themselves to me. 1964 01:23:39,138 --> 01:23:41,766 You kind of noticed something new every time. 1965 01:23:41,849 --> 01:23:44,310 I love that film can morph into being 1966 01:23:44,393 --> 01:23:45,811 one thing for one generation 1967 01:23:45,895 --> 01:23:48,064 and then another thing to the next generation. 1968 01:23:48,856 --> 01:23:50,066 One of my favorite lines is... 1969 01:23:50,149 --> 01:23:52,902 Michael! Did you hear your father? 1970 01:23:52,985 --> 01:23:54,153 Out of the water! 1971 01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:55,238 Now! 1972 01:23:55,321 --> 01:23:56,697 Now! 1973 01:23:56,781 --> 01:23:58,449 I love that scene. (WHISTLE BLOWS) 1974 01:23:59,659 --> 01:24:03,204 The lesson in cinema for me, with Steven in particular, 1975 01:24:03,704 --> 01:24:06,666 is the ability to make things work 1976 01:24:06,749 --> 01:24:08,292 when nothing is working. 1977 01:24:08,918 --> 01:24:11,295 I want the safety boat out because they can't see what I'm doing. 1978 01:24:11,379 --> 01:24:12,672 The whole thing is a complete mess, 1979 01:24:12,755 --> 01:24:14,840 but it ends up being this symphony 1980 01:24:14,924 --> 01:24:17,093 where everything just comes together. 1981 01:24:18,052 --> 01:24:19,762 The editing, the music, the acting, 1982 01:24:19,845 --> 01:24:21,180 the wonderful direction. 1983 01:24:22,014 --> 01:24:24,308 A wise director understands that 1984 01:24:24,392 --> 01:24:27,228 directing is his hostage negotiation with reality, 1985 01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:29,772 and the movie is as flawless today 1986 01:24:29,855 --> 01:24:31,941 as it will be 100 years from now. 1987 01:24:33,985 --> 01:24:37,655 It's one of those rare occurrences where 1988 01:24:37,738 --> 01:24:40,992 a generational phenomenon 1989 01:24:41,075 --> 01:24:43,744 turns out to also be a masterpiece. 1990 01:24:45,913 --> 01:24:47,915 CAMERON: I think certain films just get a status. 1991 01:24:47,999 --> 01:24:49,000 Quint! 1992 01:24:49,083 --> 01:24:52,336 There have been movies made since, using CG sharks, 1993 01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:53,546 that aren't nearly as good. 1994 01:24:53,629 --> 01:24:56,757 It was those actors, in that moment in history, 1995 01:24:56,841 --> 01:24:58,009 with that director, 1996 01:24:58,092 --> 01:25:01,095 and no one ever having seen anything like that before. 1997 01:25:04,056 --> 01:25:06,058 Some films just hit that perfection. 1998 01:25:06,142 --> 01:25:09,061 They've become sharks, they're perfect machines. 1999 01:25:12,690 --> 01:25:16,152 To me, Jaws was a life-altering experience. 2000 01:25:16,777 --> 01:25:17,778 On the one hand, 2001 01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:20,531 it was a traumatizing experience for me 2002 01:25:20,615 --> 01:25:23,159 that was mostly about survival. 2003 01:25:23,242 --> 01:25:24,243 (SIGHS) 2004 01:25:24,327 --> 01:25:25,995 And I think all of us feel we survived something. 2005 01:25:26,495 --> 01:25:27,496 (LAUGHS) 2006 01:25:27,580 --> 01:25:29,582 Jaws also, I owe everything to. 2007 01:25:29,665 --> 01:25:31,917 Because of Jaws, I got final cut, 2008 01:25:32,001 --> 01:25:33,794 and I've had it for the past 50 years. 2009 01:25:35,588 --> 01:25:37,506 And I just hope that all the people 2010 01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:38,841 that worked on Jaws... 2011 01:25:41,594 --> 01:25:45,473 wore that experience proudly like a badge of honor. 2012 01:25:48,017 --> 01:25:49,518 And was able to go through life 2013 01:25:49,602 --> 01:25:52,938 in the glory of the success that Jaws became. 2014 01:25:54,940 --> 01:25:57,526 To be able to say, each individually, 2015 01:25:57,610 --> 01:26:00,321 "Hey, I helped make that movie. 2016 01:26:01,781 --> 01:26:03,199 "I helped tell that story. 2017 01:26:05,785 --> 01:26:07,328 "I share in its success." 2018 01:26:08,954 --> 01:26:10,164 BRODY: I used to hate the water. 2019 01:26:13,334 --> 01:26:14,543 I can't imagine why. 166271

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