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"War."
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This episode was actually the
first one that I had written...
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for the second
season of Liquid TV.
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And this is an idea...
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It's a very simple
idea, I think...
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of just letting the film...
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build up one particular
character as the hero...
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and then...
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just completely reversing
your sympathies...
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at various climactic points...
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when you don't expect.
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Musically, this followed
that theme very closely.
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With each character, we changed
musical styles completely to support.
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This was really the beginning of the
Breen versus Monican musical styles.
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So, at this point, we're
still into kind of a...
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ethnic, chaotic,
technological sort of music.
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And we are sneaking up
with this character.
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We think that Aeon's going to
get out of this just fine.
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She's almost cocky about it.
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Yes.
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We really play up this moment...
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and it's a scene you've seen
a million times in movies.
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But...
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No, doesn't go well.
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But not that outcome.
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And the idea was to stage
those moments of reversal...
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in a very neutral way.
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My reaction was to the
hairstyle, immediately.
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So I thought this guy's got to
be Wagnerian, over the top.
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And, of course, it was a lot of fun
doing all the screaming noises.
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I got a whole bunch of my neighbours
together to just yell for this bit.
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And you chose different kinds of guns,
also, for the different armies.
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Guns. I had a lot of
fun recording guns.
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Around the time of the LA riot, I went
to a firing range up in Altadena.
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And, at first, they were very nervous
about anyone with a microphone...
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until they found out I was
just working on cartoons.
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Then they were
incredibly helpful.
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They let me record all
sorts of things...
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a variety of different guns.
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And processed them and
threw them in here.
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And, yeah, eventually we were not able
to use any of that for the series...
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because she wasn't allowed to...
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More of a dart-like
plib as I recall.
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Have a gun that
actually shot bullets.
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I do want to point
out, this episode...
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most of this was animated...
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by a brilliant animator up at Colossal
Pictures named Garett Sheldrew.
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He and I had worked a lot on things
like commercials and so forth.
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He was the kind of guy who just had
this incredible natural ability...
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to portray movement.
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He poses the swordsman
like a ballerina...
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almost, I mean, beautiful...
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That's just amazing
animation there.
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None of this is rotoscope.
None of it is...
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He never even used
photo reference.
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We're immediately
playing for sympathy.
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He's obviously a father
protecting his child.
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So, it just grabs you immediately
into sympathy for this character.
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After you've been with...
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What was his... Varsh Hockney?
Was that his name?
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- Varsh Lockney.
- Lockney, sorry. It's been a while.
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They all did have names, which, of
course, were never mentioned...
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'cause nobody speaks, but
this is Romeo Svengali...
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- the swordsman.
- I love the way he hopped there.
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One thing I always loved
about the shorts...
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and I think it really carried very well
through to the half-hour series...
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was the humour...
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is that things would be
presented seriously...
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but then they would also
have a tongue in cheek...
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or a moment that would just throw
you off as completely hilarious...
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in the middle of
something serious.
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That played against the
stereotypes of action films.
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Well, this is just so over the top that
it is kind of hard to take seriously.
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I mean, it is kind of showing
how absurd it is to...
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Well, how easy it is,
actually, to manipulate...
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the audience or the film itself.
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This was a wonderful moment
here, where we continue on...
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as though the action
hero has continued on...
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but he's obviously died already.
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But it's completely at the
whim of the director...
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who he wants to survive and
who he wants to kill off.
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This is Donna Matrix.
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- Yeah.
- Okay.
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Actually, this character
was designed by Garett.
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I actually don't like doing
this kind of animation.
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I mean, it's fun to do, but it's
really not that challenging for me...
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constant fighting and violence.
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I mean, that kind of animation
is actually the easiest to do.
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It's the more nuanced...
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kind of, slower moments...
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which are more difficult
and challenging...
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and, ultimately, more
satisfying, I think.
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And here's where this all wraps
up with a sense of ambiguity...
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as the new set of
heroes run off.
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And we're set up to know
that they're doomed as well.
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As soon as they hit that oil patch,
something awful is going to happen.
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And that's where we leave it.
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