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-This is the room where we will wait to the point of testifying.

When it's your turn, we will come out again.

We'll go that way,

to go to the courtroom.

...

You will be sitting here.

The movable partition will be placed in the middle, L-shaped.

The courtyard in front of you.

There, the public prosecutor and your lawyer,

and the defense on the other side.

-And him, where will he sit?

-He, in the evening there. On the other side of the partition.

-Yes, he will be able to listen to you, but nothing more.

-And I'll be sitting there.

Don't worry, I will take care of everything.

-When you have testified,

you will be able to continue to attend the trial

or go out.

-I prefer to go out as soon as I'm done.

- All right. - Alright.

Brouhaha

...

-Hello.

-Hello.

-Hi, big guy.

-Hi, Dad.

-It's been a long time.

A door opens.

- Good morning. - Good morning.

-Iñigo Gorosmendi Elissalde?

Ramón Aranguren Sagasti?

Author Gorosmendi Torres ?

Jon Gorosmendi Torres? - Yes.

-Miguel Rodriguez Aramburu? Your identity card.

-You know Why are you here?

Have you been explained?

-Good morning. Yes, it was explained to me.

-You may not testify.

If you do not wish to answer, say it.

You have to say it orally.

-Yes, I know.

-Answer the questions of the public prosecutor.

-With the permission of the court.

How are you and Mrs. Torres, did you know each other?

-We met more than thirty years ago,

at university.

-When did you get married?

-Three years after meeting.

-Why did you get married?

-She and I were in love. We were very much in love.

I had just found a job, I had a good salary,

It seemed like a good idea to us.

- How long have you been divorced? - It's been three years.

-Alright.

-You gave him money for household expenses?

-Yes, on a joint account.

-How much?

-It varied every year, It depended.

-When your children were minors, how much?

-I don't know anymore, around a thousand euros.

-How much do you earn per month?

-9,000 euros.

-Do you remember? of the cost of activities

of your children?

- Non. - And this week's shopping?

-I wasn't concerned about that.

-How 1,000 euros should be enough

if you didn't know the cost?

-I don't know how much things cost,

but I do a rough calculation.

My children

lacked nothing.

- Was this account in your name? - Yes.

- The family residence too? - Yes.

The second home, the garage, the cars, all in your name?

-Yes.

-Was there anything who was in the name of Mrs. Torres?

-Non.

-Are you a holder? from two other accounts

different from this account for expenses?

-Yes.

-If Mrs. Torres wanted something,

a pair of slippers, a cream,

it was with the money in this account?

-She didn't win no money at all,

I had to give it to him.

-The only money put at the disposal of Mrs. Torres

was the one from the expense account?

-Indeed, that's right.

-After birth of your first child,

she was recovering, you had sexual relations?

-It goes back more than thirty years.

-Could you answer? to the question?

-I don't remember.

-Did she tell you of his physical pain?

-I don't remember that either.

-Do you remember? of childbirth?

- Of course. - Were you there?

-Yes.

-Remember that she had an episiotomy?

-I don't remember, no.

-You wanted to have intercourse

after childbirth although she said she felt

unbearable pain and that she was afraid

for the stitches?

-I don't remember.

-Did you force her to have anal sex?

- That's totally false. - You forgot

episiotomy, but you remember

not to have had of anal intercourse.

-I was filled with happiness by the birth of my child.

That was 32 years ago.

-You were conscious that she was suffering from postpartum

at that time?

-Yes.

-You forced her to have relationships

although she shared of his pains!

-I never forced anyone.

-Is it true that Mrs. Torres told you that his gynecologist,

had discovered him vaginal lesions?

-She wasn't that explicit.

-And you had sexual relations?

-I guess, we were a couple.

-Your desire

before his well-being. - I didn't do anything like that!

-Despite the vaginal lesions,

she wanted of sexual relations?

-Please stick to the facts

during the interrogation.

-Who took the initiative of your reports?

Who undertook the first approaches?

-Me.

-It wasn't strange

that she never has took the initiative?

-What do you want, we were a traditional couple,

a bit old-fashioned, and therefore no... It didn't seem strange to me.

-Never? Not even once?

-Don't repeat the question, We have already answered you.

-Did it happen to you

to penetrate Mrs. Torres while she was sleeping?

-Non.

-How did you know that she wasn't asleep?

-Because I'm not blind!

-Following relationships, Has Mrs. Torres ever cried?

-I don't remember.

-You wouldn't remember of such a moment?

-I don't remember.

-When Mrs. Torres said not wanting to have relationships,

were there any consequences? Any punishment?

-Answer the question.

-Like a child? I don't understand.

-If his behavior

you were unpleasant for some reason,

was it usual

that you gave a punch in a door,

closed a drawer in a violent way

or throw a glass against the wall?

-We were a couple who was arguing,

sometimes with passion.

Living together is not easy.

We never came to this to something other than screaming.

-Has this ever happened to you? to treat her like a good-for-nothing

or stupid, crazy, starving?

-Non.

-During an argument passionate?

-I don't speak like that to someone I love.

-You called him up to ten times

if she didn't answer immediately to your calls?

-When you are with someone

who doesn't know take care of herself,

we worry about her, we get anxious.

If she didn't answer at my call,

I remembered until she answers.

When you were upset by something she would have done,

you were accelerating

in order to scare him?

-Non.

-And why did you refuse? to slow down?

-I didn't find it justified.

-Isn't that justified?

-Which seems justified to me,

it is to respect speed limits.

But my wife

was afraid for nothing.

-Is it true,

that four years ago, when the mother

Mrs. Torres is dead, you prevented her

to go to his funeral?

-That's not true.

-You ordered him not to go there.

-Of course not.

-Why didn't she go?

-Her family and her didn't speak to each other anymore.

When she died,

Miren put herself in all its states.

I simply told him

than attend the funeral would do no good.

We went to the restaurant.

-You said that she had no business there,

and had no interest to join them?

-No, not at all, no.

Miren did not attend

because she didn't want to see them.

-M. Gorosmendi, what Mrs. Torres said,

are these lies? - I know that yes.

-Mrs. Torres spent three years to lie to the police,

to the lawyers,

to the investigating judges?

Why would anyone do that?

Would support this procedure?

-I don't know if she knows she lied.

She lied to all these people.

And me, who during all these years, I lived by his side,

I know that depression, It's serious.

It can cut you off from yourself

and reality.

-No further questions.

THANKS.

-The floor is given to the defense.

-Thank you, Mr. President.

-How long have you been working?

for Navartès laboratories?

-It's going to be thirty years that I am a sales manager.

-During this period,

Mrs. Torres shared of his desire to work

or has undertaken steps to do it?

-When our children were born, she insisted on staying home,

It seemed good to me.

It is ideal that children stay with their mother.

-Would you say that he was someone worried

compared to money? - Yes.

It was a recurring topic in our conversations.

-Why were you holding the accounts at home?

-She wanted me to do it.

Miren knew that…

She was conscious that she didn't know how to handle.

It wasn't his thing.

- She asked you for money? - Yes.

Regardless of the money in the account,

it was never enough, there was...

always new costs, a whim...

She spent so much that she left slates.

It was mine to go and repay the debts.

-You would say that she was holding to a certain standard of living?

-Yes, it was important to her.

She didn't want to never see his family,

they were in a situation financially unsavory

and they shamed him.

She said that they were interested people

who came to ask us money, services...

-You were arguing regularly ?

-Like all couples.

-Has it ever happened to you

to physically attack him or verbally?

-No, never.

I grew up taking care of my sisters and my mother.

I wouldn't hit a woman.

Have you threatened to harm him or your children

if she didn't obey?

-Never.

-Have you ever forced yourself Mrs. Torres to have sex?

Without his consent?

- Of course not. - How many times

she begged you not to leave her,

saying that you were his only family?

-Often.

Very often.

-Was she taking medication?

-She started taking it following his first depression.

-During your years of living together,

did she go see a specialist, psychologist?

-Yes, absolutely.

It even happened to me to accompany him.

I wanted her to be okay.

- Did she have relapses? - Yes.

-Could you describe us? Mrs. Torres' behavior?

-It was difficult to predict.

Sometimes she would get anxious, paranoid,

because of a stupidity.

She was screaming because I was out with a friend...

She locked herself in the room after an argument with his family.

She wanted to have the children with her, at home.

And if ever, he took me to take them out for some fresh air,

well she...

She was becoming hysterical.

-4 years ago, she shared of his wish to divorce?

- Yes. - What did she demand?

-The apartment and a pension of 2,000 euros.

-How did you react?

-With sadness.

I told him it would be the judge's decision.

-How did she react? at that time?

-She, uh...

She went crazy.

She threatened to destroy my life

and she filed a complaint against me.

-How all this affected you, Mr. Gorosmendi?

-I am receiving treatment for anxiety for months.

But thanks be to God, I'm moving forward

because fortunately, my eldest son,

my family and friends give me their support.

On tap.

-It's your turn to testify.

...

-When you are finished your studies,

you received several business offers

from Toulouse and Lisbon.

Why did you decline them?

-He kept telling me that he didn't want

that I work far from home.

I accepted a job in Bilbao, but only part-time.

-At the birth of your son,

he defended you to work?

-He said that a child was supposed to be with his mother.

-You returned work in this office,

after birth of your child.

-I resigned immediately.

He said I didn't care not enough of our child

and our interior.

That because of my work and my selfishness, the child suffered.

-During these 32 years of common life,

you were economically dependent of him?

-Yes.

-What was the economic organization?

-I had a...

I had a card from an account

on which he put money every month.

And with that, I had to pay absolutely everything.

Children's clothes, activities, the supermarket.

-What if something unexpected happens?

-I had to beg him.

I was so scared to ask him,

I asked the stores to give me credit.

-You could ask him

money for your clothes or makeup products?

-Non.

"Makeup, It's for whores."

-How was the relationship? between him and your family?

-He hated any connection with my family.

He said they were contacting us only for money,

that it was necessary keep them at a distance.

He claimed that they were calling him to ask him for money.

It's been a short time that we were married,

I wanted that Our relationship works, so...

I stopped seeing them and them, to call.

-Was he jealous?

-He was checking my phone.

And asked questions, like:

"What did you do? Who did you see?

He wasn't listening to what I was saying, he never believed me.

Never.

-What did he tell you?

-That our relationship, it was nonsense,

that I no longer had feelings.

And that I was cheating on him.

-Have you stopped

to see friends, men or women?

-Yes, absolutely.

-Who exercised authority in the home?

-Mr. Gorosmendi.

-What kind of standards? did he impose?

-All kinds. He had established plenty of them.

We didn't have the right to enter his office.

It was not necessary touch nothing inside.

He forced the children to finish their plate,

and we couldn't sing, talking or crying in the car.

-And if these standards were not respected?

-If the children came in in his office,

that they were messing it up, he shouted at them.

He was hitting the walls with violence.

He said: "You saw what are you making me do?"

-What if they don't eat?

-We had to bring them out again their leftovers at subsequent meals.

Until they finish everything.

-What if they sang in the car?

-He was speeding up.

He was driving recklessly.

He was going like crazy.

-What if you asked to stop?

-He was accelerating even more.

He said to me: "Make them shut up!"

-Could he spend days without speaking to you?

-It was a way to punish me.

-He was punishing you or publicly threatened?

-Yes.

For example, once he...

He left me in the parking lot of a shopping center

without money and no way to get home.

Because I had him "spoke badly in public."

-Did you speak badly to him?

-He got angry because of a cashier.

She was wrong on the price of an item.

We had to go back to the store while we were in the parking lot.

I asked him to stop insulting him.

He told me I was making him look ridiculous. in front of everyone.

This kind of thing happened

quite often.

-You tried to get a divorce

or to separate from him?

-Yes, two re...

Pardon.

Yes, twice.

-When was the first time?

-When my two children were very small.

The oldest must have been 8 years old and the little one, 3 years old.

-What was the reaction? de M. Gorosmendi?

-It was in the middle of the night.

He went to wake up the children,

said that their mother had the intention of abandoning them.

He told them: "She's a bad mother,

"She hates you.

"She's completely crazy."

-What did you think, at those times?

-That my children were suffering and I didn't want that.

-You left him?

-The next day, he apologized.

Said I was what was most precious to him.

He begged me not to leave him.

He told me: "If you leave, I'll kill myself!"

And I stayed.

I stayed.

-When did you try? for the second time?

-It was four years ago.

I started to have a lot of pain when we had relationships.

I went to see the gynecologist

and he discovered me vaginal lesions.

He told me that in premenopause, the body was transformed

and mine was in the process to respond to sexual relations.

He saw that I was depressed

and advised me to consult a psychologist.

It was a good idea.

So I started to undergo therapy.

It is while speaking with this person

that I realized

that I had normalized marital rape.

-How did he react? M. Gorosmendi

when you told him of your decision to divorce?

-Just.

Very bad. He told me

that he wouldn't let me go, that he would destroy me.

I panicked.

And I backed off.

I knew he was capable of anything.

-He forced you to have sexual relations?

-Yes.

-He had established a routine?

-Yes. Twice a week.

Fridays and Saturdays.

He forced me to sleep without underwear.

-For how long?

-Almost all our life together.

-And if you were indisposed or sick?

- He didn't care. - What if you refused?

-He was putting himself in a bad mood.

He was getting furious.

The punishments intensified for me and for my children.

He stopped paying money on the account.

He had fits of anger,

he would shout for the slightest thing,

or disappeared for days on end.

-You could refuse

in any way to satisfy him sexually?

-Non.

-Did you feel obligated?

to satisfy him to avoid

that he uses violence,

material or psychological? - Yes.

-Did he force you? to have relationships

despite your physical pain?

-During postpartum of my first child...

I had to be practiced an episiotomy.

It was very painful.

I had stitches.

But he insisted, insisted...

We ended up having anal intercourse.

I told him that I didn't feel well.

-And at other times?

-Yes, four years ago.

When I was diagnosed the lesions I mentioned.

- Did you tell him about it? - Yes.

But he didn't take it into account.

-How did you expressed your refusal?

-I told him I was in pain.

How painful it was, I couldn't stand it.

-And what was his answer?

-None, he continued.

-Did you sleep together?

-Yes.

-Have you ever woken up?

upon discovering that you were touched or penetrated?

-Yes.

Sometimes I found it completely on me.

Touching me,

to kiss me or penetrate me.

It all happened very quickly.

He said: "I can't help it,

"Don't leave me in this state."

-How were these reports?

-Painful.

Strange.

Like a bad dream.

I often found paralyzed.

And little by little, I learned to think about something else.

There are times where I felt nothing.

When I couldn't think to something else, I stayed there...

And I cried.

-When did you cry?

-I was crying right after have finished sexual intercourse.

Or when I left the room.

Or at breakfast.

-What did he say to your children? if they saw you cry?

-That their mother was not in good shape.

That I didn't feel well.

Let them leave me alone and that it would pass.

-Mrs. Torres,

what happened to decide to divorce and file a complaint?

-My mother is dead.

I wanted to go to his funeral, but he forbade me.

He got angry.

I had nothing to do at a woman's funeral

that I had not seen for years.

To no longer hear it yell at me,

I obeyed.

And I didn't go.

I had to go to the notary.

My mother had bequeathed to me his apartment.

And I was given a letter written before his death.

In this letter, My mother told me:

"I want you to know

"that with each passing day, I was thinking of you."

I had stayed years without seeing her.

I now had an apartment

and my children were grown.

Therefore, I decided to leave.

And to denounce my attacker.

-Good morning.

Express verbally

your refusal to have sex.

-Sometimes, yes.

-When you refused verbally and clearly,

my client accepted it? - He was getting angry.

The following days, he scolded the children.

He humiliated me or didn't talk to me.

-But he didn't rape you?

If you told him no, he didn't force you.

-Force how?

-If you said no,

he caught you, immobilized you

or other?

-Non.

-Did he respect your refusal?

-In appearance, yes.

-You confessed to your son

that you were pretending

to feel pleasure during intercourse.

-Yes.

-If you were pretending,

how to know that you didn't want?

-I said I was in pain, he didn't take it into account.

I wasn't always faking it. - Sometimes, yes.

-Yes, sometimes.

-If this life was so horrible, Why not leave before?

-Because I had two little boys.

-You preferred that your children be submissive,

to violence? - I did everything to avoid it.

-So the common life at your place was good,

except during occasional episodes?

-Fear is invisible.

-Love too.

-Master, stick to the facts. and avoid being a poet.

-Of course.

Why did you have a second child?

if he were, according to your words, yes horrible?

-Because I got pregnant.

-He forced you

to have this child or did you decide to keep it?

-He forbade me to take the pill

contraceptive.

I didn't really have a choice.

-Isn't it true? that you said to give

a brother to Aitor was a gift?

-I don't remember.

-Why not file a complaint? earlier ?

-As I said before,

It took me years to see that I was a victim.

It's hard to accept that your husband mistreats you.

We feel ashamed, at fault.

-At fault?

-Yes.

At fault.

Not to defend oneself.

Of not defending yourself enough.

-What did you owe? defend yourself?

There are examples of violent behavior

out of slammed doors?

-It wasn't slammed doors.

He was punching.

-We can confuse, the noise is the same.

-No, that's not true.

-Even when you were

on antidepressant medication?

According to the medical report, you take

or have taken amoxapine, of desipramine,

and doxepin.

The side effects are the distortion of perception,

the distortion of reality, the confusion?

-I didn't know that.

-You will ask the doctor that.

-Understood, Mr. President.

-How many psychologists have you seen?

- Three. - How can you be sure?

that depressions are due to your marital relationship

and not to other causes?

Hormonal phenomena, distance from your family?

-I don't know. Ask the psychologists.

-GOOD.

Where do you live right now?

-In the apartment of my deceased mother.

-Would you say than your standard of living

has decreased considerably?

- Yes. - Is it true that you asked,

when you wanted to divorce 4 years ago,

to keep the residence

and receive a pension?

-I don't remember.

I wanted to leave.

-Did your children live with you?

-Uh... No.

The youngest lived sharing an apartment with friends.

-Why a pension? yes important?

-I had the right to receive it.

-You have been granted a pension at the time of divorce?

- Yes. - How much?

-From 900 euros, but...

-Do you work?

-I haven't received anything...

What ? - Are you working ?

-Yes, in a supermarket.

I still haven't received it the first payment

of this pension...

-Why didn't you say have work?

You wanted to hide it to receive

what has been allocated to you during the divorce?

-No. It hasn't been long. that I work.

-It hasn't been a year that you work?

You were hiding it

because that would reduce the pension?

-I didn't hide anything.

-THANKS.

I have no more questions.

-Mrs. Torres,

you can stay or we can escort you back.

-I'm staying.

-Are you sure?

-Yes.

-How is Iker?

-GOOD.

If his parents are well, he's fine.

How did you know?

-I can imagine this.

-Did she call you?

-I called to speak to Iker.

She told me that you were separated.

-You call me if you want to talk to my son.

All right ?

We're better off this way.

Each on their own side.

-Jon Gorosmendi Torres?

-How did it go? what about the money?

-He earned the money and made the decisions.

-It was a problem for your mother

if she wanted clothes?

-Yes.

I always saw her panicked regarding the accounts.

It was a problem.

-She was afraid of your father on certain occasions?

-Yes, she was often afraid

to upset him.

She generally avoided it.

-Why did it happen like that?

-My father is someone who has a lot of character,

when things didn't happen as he wanted,

he started to scream,

he was throwing objects and she felt bad.

-You were afraid to say

or to do certain things?

-I used to hide things for fear of his reaction.

-You've heard it before insult your mother?

-Sometimes, yes.

When we were little.

He called her an idiot, the many.

-That she was a bad mother?

-That she didn't do as it should be.

That she was good for nothing.

-Did it happen to you to see her cry?

-Yes, many times.

-When your mother filed a complaint, did you welcome her?

-She didn't know where to go.

- She had nowhere to go? - Non.

She had just filed a complaint

and my father came back earlier than expected.

And she, out of fear, She left quickly.

-How was your mother?

-She was very worried.

She didn't want to be alone.

She was afraid to meet him.

-You went at your brother's and shortly after,

your father has arrived, How did she react?

-She locked herself in in the bathroom.

-You know why? did she file a complaint?

-Yes.

-You think that your mother is a victim?

-Yes.

-Have you noticed a change?

since she divorced and filed a complaint?

-Yes, she is happier.

Quieter.

Right now we're living together.

She likes to go out to eat, make up.

And she's laughing now.

-Your father already has it physically assaulted?

-Non.

-How would you describe their apartment?

-He is tall.

-If someone shouted, would we hear it?

-Yes.

-Did you hear your mother? scream, call for help?

-Non.

-You saw your mother with an injury

or a blue? - Non.

-If your mother was a victim of violence,

Why not file a complaint?

Why not have it? out of there?

-I don't know anything about it.

-A 3rd, you were consuming hashish.

You were almost deported

and dropped out of your first year without validating any material.

-Yes, I validated one.

-That's it that you were afraid to say?

-Quite.

-Is your father homophobic?

-Non.

-You confessed to your brother that you were afraid

to bring your little friends at home

because "Dad wouldn't understand"?

- Yes. - Well then!

Why be afraid? if he is not homophobic?

-I don't know anything about it.

-Your mother advised you

to avoid talking about it?

-I don't remember.

-She told you of his fears and misconceptions

towards your father? - What are you talking about?

-Homophobia that you don't have

never saw any trace.

-Master, stick to the facts.

-When the complaint was filed,

she locked herself in in the bathroom

when Mr. Gorosmendi arrived at your brother's house.

-Yes.

-How long did he stay?

-I don't remember, about 20 or 15 minutes.

-What happened?

-He asked to speak to him, She didn't want to and he left.

-Of his own free will or did you force him?

-He left of his own free will.

When your father was at your brother's house, he behaved

in a violent way? - Non.

-What did your father do?

-He asked to speak to him.

-What else did he tell her?

He stayed for 20 minutes, he must have said something else.

-He said he wanted to help her and begged her to come back.

-THANKS.

A door opens.

-Good morning.

-You are Author Gorosmendi Torres.

You may not answer

if it can cause harm to a member of your family.

-Yes.

-How would you describe your father?

-A good father.

Worker,

strict.

We never lacked anything.

-And your mother?

- Affectionate.

She was always with great care.

-Your mother was someone who depended on your father?

-Yes, absolutely. She wasn't working.

His friends were my father's friends.

We never really have frequented his family.

-Have you witnessed,

at your parents' house, one or more episodes of fabrication

or your mother's paranoia?

-It happened to me, yes.

My mother is a fragile person.

If sometimes we were too late to come back from school,

She always imagined the worst.

And lost his calm.

-And how did he react? your father?

-He was trying to make him see reason.

She needed attention.

-She would have confessed to you that she was pretending

during sexual intercourse with Mr. Gorosmendi?

-Yes.

-Did you hear them? have relationships?

-Yes.

-Have you heard? your mother moan

or emit an expression of pleasure?

-Yes, absolutely.

-When your mother filed a complaint, Have you seen your mother?

-Yes, she came to my house to tell me.

-How did you find it?

-She was agitated,

repeated things that his lawyer

or his psychologist had told him.

She didn't want to come in in details.

-Why did your father come?

-I called him. I wanted them to talk.

-And your parents discussed it?

-No, my father tried, but she refused.

-Have you noticed a change?

at your mother's during this period?

-It's been three years that I haven't seen her again.

-With the permission of the court.

Mr. Gorosmendi, good morning.

-Good morning.

-These are lies,

what your mother told?

-That's not what I experienced.

My childhood is not as she said.

I have another memory.

-There is nothing that you have been able to observe?

-My parents were arguing, like any couple.

-It's part of normality

to drive away, knock on a door

to end an argument

or disappear for hours with his children?

You can answer to the question?

-The witness is not here to give his opinion.

-I have no more questions.

-Thank you.

You must stay until the end of the hearing.

-How would you describe M. Gorosmendi?

-Well, let's say that Iñigo is someone...

affable, polite

and funny.

He is very family-oriented and we can count on him.

-Have you ever seen him? mistreat Mrs. Torres?

-No, never.

I wouldn't have let him do it.

-The complaint of Mrs. Torres surprised you?

-Yes, I don't understand what could have happened.

-She called your wife

to ask to change his story

on New Year's Eve before the pandemic?

-Yes, that's true, yes.

-Do you remember? of this New Year's Eve?

-Yes, I remember. perfectly.

-Were you present at the time when,

annoyed by what his wife would have said,

Mr. Gorosmendi threw a glass to shut her up?

-We all had drank a lot that night.

Sometimes glasses get broken. without meaning to.

-In her complaint, my client claims to have made a joke

on the fact that he was not at the birth of their child.

And M. Gorosmendi said:

"Don't play this little game!" and threw the glass.

Do you remember if he said that? and if he threw a glass

towards Mrs. Torres' face?

-I remember that even Miren laughed.

-You throw glasses, you,

M. Aranguren?

-Master !

-Non.

-You are the leader of Aranguren

and Associates?

-That's right.

-How many times the department

by M. Gorosmendi did he place orders

in recent years?

-Several times.

There is one thing that I want to say,

I am a friend of the family for many years.

It means a lot to me of pain for both.

-In recent months, how many times Did you call Mrs. Torres?

-None.

-How did you do it? his knowledge?

-Our children were going at the same school.

And they were friends.

In the end, Miren and I, we became friends.

-Have you been assaulted? by M. Gorosmendi?

-Yes.

He arrived by car at the school exit.

He parked his vehicle like a madman, skidding.

He said to me: "You leave my wife "Quiet now!"

He hit me and I fell.

- Have you filed a complaint? - Of course.

-How did Mrs. Torres react?

-She came and begged me to withdraw the complaint.

- Did you take it off? - Yes.

-Why did you remove it?

-I don't know. She was so scared.

I didn't want to cause him problems.

-Did Mrs. Torres tell you? if her husband had mistreated her?

-It was difficult for her to talk about it, but yes.

When we started to know each other,

she had considered leaving him.

She was tired of being afraid

that he shouts at him or insult for anything.

-Mrs. Torres and you were talking a romantic relationship at the time?

-Non.

-You have not maintained of romantic relationship

or sexual with Mrs. Torres?

-Can you repeat the question?

-Is it that at some point or to another, in your life,

have you had relationships?

-A few years after the assault, yes.

-There was something more than a friendship.

Could you explain how what was this "something"?

-We slept together.

It was years later.

-You had a complete sexual intercourse?

-Two or three times.

-Who took the initiative?

-Me.

I believe, I don't remember anymore.

-Did she tell you she wanted to continue this relationship?

-It was born out of affection.

We felt alone... - Mrs. Torres

did she explicitly state

of his wish for this relationship?

-That's not what is being judged.

The witness must speak

on a concrete fact.

His personal life is part of his privacy.

-It is important to know if she said openly

that she wanted this relationship.

-Master, don't insist.

-Thank you, I have no more questions.

-When you say that Mrs. Torres had a:

"deformation in the vagina", who is it ?

-Everything is explained in my report.

It's been a long time.

-Could you show him? the report? Pages 18 and 19.

-THANKS.

Yes, that's it... This is what I explain here.

When a woman has intercourse non-consensual sexual activity,

well, the vaginal wall deteriorates.

This causes deformation.

-Do you confirm your report?

-Yes, I confirm.

-There are no children for custody rights,

visiting or alimony.

She did not ask for pleasure from the home where she lived for 30 years

and which she had to give up to free oneself from violence.

Secondly, on the subject of the plausibility of the evidence,

It's not Mrs. Torres who is judged.

We judge if the story it presents

can overturn the presumption of innocence.

We judge whether it is credible

that M. Gorosmendi was a violent person.

The witness Tomás Astarloa

was a victim of temperament aggressiveness of the person concerned,

who physically assaulted him.

We consider proven the notion of persistence

in the accusation.

Mrs. Torres was seen by a psychologist

and by the Office victim assistance.

She was recognized as a victim of violence.

The procedure is further proof

of truthfulness of what is denounced.

No woman submits to such a process

if she is not certain of everything she has experienced.

The complainant explained in detail

the climate of terror imposed by Mr. Gorosmendi at home.

And that's not all.

Mr. Gorosmendi used violence sexual assault against my client

continuously.

He terrorized his wife if she refused

to have intercourse.

He subjugated her carnally and with penetration

through intimidation and the climate of violence exposed.

Let us not look at desire or the will of the victim.

But on behavior of the aggressor.

THANKS.

-Ms. Torres has had recourse to several treatments

against depression.

And beyond the fact that these treatments could have caused

an alteration of reality

or even provoke episodes of fabrication,

the most flagrant part of the case,

is that none of the professionals who followed her

never diagnosed

that Mrs. Torres was mistreated by her husband.

None of the professionals did not alert the authorities

as indicated by the protocols.

None of their children

did not report an episode of violence or sexual violence.

However, Mrs. Torres tells us

that she lived 30 years with an attacker.

Mrs. Torres lied.

To her husband while living a relationship extramarital affair with a witness

which has also ceased to be totally objective

by recognizing the affection he felt.

She lied during the divorce to have more money

by not saying its economic situation.

She denounced the father of his children without telling them.

However, today, here, we should believe her.

Well then!

Mrs. Torres' complaint is not that reflects 30 years of marriage

during which he was able there will be arguments, shouting,

moods that could come on both sides.

They said that they had fallen in love,

that they had children that they desired.

The faithful reflection of relationships

consented in the intimacy of the couple.

Isn't it plausible that in this context

of familiarity, Mr. Gorosmendi or Mrs. Torrès,

may have had, at some point,

a misperception of consent?

That Mrs. Torres misinterpreted

a reaction or touching?

That she hoped that the other see something invisible?

Maybe she did not want these relationships.

However, she consented to them and allowed them.

Thank you, Mr. President.

-M. Gorosmendi, You have the last word.

If you want to share of something, it's time.

Do you have a statement to make?

-Yes, I have one.

My father, peace to his soul, died when I was 9 years old.

I remember to have felt terror

when I discovered that...

Someone you care about

may disappear overnight.

And this fear of...

to lose those I love

surely made me a demanding and authoritarian father

or a husband certainly clumsy, abrupt,

obsessed with control absolutely everything.

I wished that my children...

be strong so that nothing harms them.

I worked for that my family lacks nothing,

I thought it was how to protect them.

It's true that I didn't know express my feelings.

I kept them deep inside me.

Whether it is, I don't know, work-related problems,

to money or family quarrels.

I always preferred to suffer rather than seeing them suffer.

I can't bear the thought of a life without them.

Or without their happiness.

I have never done or will not harm my family.

Their pain would be my pain.

THANKS.

-Thank you. The court will deliver its verdict.

I ask to the accused and his counsel

to stay in the room,

time to get out Mrs. Torres.

When she leaves the room, you will be able to go out.

-Thank you, Mr. President.

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