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Hidden power, secrets, cover -ups,
corruption.

You think you know the whole story?

Think again.

I've been governor, a Navy SEAL, a
fighter.

I've heard things that'll blow your
mind, and now I think it's time you get.

The whole story.

Now, Jesse steps into America's most
controversial conspiracy.

The attacks of 9 -11.

If everything they told us was true,
then why would they need to stonewall

Was the official 9 -11 report a
whitewash and cover -up?

These people are lying to us.

Did the terrorists use more than
jetliners to do their devastating

There's residues of explosives in the
dust.

Is the FBI hiding the flight recorders
they say have never been recovered?

The odds of not finding these black
boxes are almost zero.

And was Ground Zero a crime scene that
Washington obliterated in plain sight?

There's something about 9 -11 our
government doesn't want us to know.

These are questions that few have dared
to ask, let alone investigate.

There was a false flag attack on America
by Americans.

The unthinkable.

The all -too -real.

The 9 -11 conspiracy.

Just cut it off.

I'm Jesse Ventura, and this is
Conspiracy Theory.

Jesse Ventura cares deeply about his
country.

But no event did more to shake his
beliefs than the attacks of September

2001.

Now, he leads a raid on the hangar where
evidence from Ground Zero is hidden.

He's on a mission for the truth.

Get up here!

This is what they don't want me to see.

With 9 -11, some things just never added
up for me.

Why weren't those jetliners brought
down?

Why did the buildings go down so
quickly?

I knew this investigation was going to
get some people pretty angry, but I also

knew I owed this one to the victims.

Hi. Governor.

How are you?

Donna, nice to meet you.

It all began.

When I got a call from Donna Marshall
-Connor, she lost her daughter on

September the 11th.

Vanessa Langer worked in the trade
center.

She was four months pregnant.

I don't want to bring up a lot of pain.

Please, you know, I want to make this
really clear. When you say when 9 -11

ended, I don't, it still didn't end for
me.

It will never end for the country as
long as we don't investigate what

happened. We never had an investigation.

And my kid is a victim of the second
plane?

Why would I not ask questions? I'm not a
scientist.

But all I want is for someone to
validate the question and have every

citizen exposed to the questions.

Donna O 'Connor made it very clear that
she and other 9 -11 survivors are not

satisfied.

with the official answers.

Uncovering the truth, exposing the lies,
will only ease the pain.

That was good enough for me.

Donna, thank you.

Bye, Governor.

Keep working hard.

We need you.

The investigation moves to the banks of
the Hudson River, under an empty sky

where the World Trade Towers once
loomed. The Governor meets the last man

the last tower to fall.

You see that peak over there? Where the
round one is? Yes, correct.

Right there. Right in front, yes. Okay.

William Rodriguez was a maintenance
worker at No. 2 World Trade Center. He

story that not only contradicts the
official 9 -11 account, but shakes it to

very foundation.

At 846, while we're talking in front of
the office, we hear, BAM! An explosion,

very loud, which was upwards.

Upwards? Upwards. All the walls were
shaped.

They cracked.

The false seating fell on top of us. The
sprinkler system got activated.

Water started spewing everywhere.

Everybody's screaming in horror. Oh, my
God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

Now, was this a result from the plane
hitting?

No, no, no. This is before the plane
hit. So this explosion came from below.

Well, the first thing that I thought it
was that it came from the mechanical

room that was on the basement number
two.

I went to say, you know, it may be when
we hear.

All the way on the top of the building,
and I speculated that it was the plane

hitting the tower. So these two
explosions were completely separate.

Completely separate.

The official 9 -11 story says hijacked
jets brought down the towers, not

explosive devices.

If you can remember, how much time would
you say was between the two explosions?

Six to seven seconds difference.

That close?

That close.

And I wasn't the only one that felt
this. There were the 14 people inside

office. Did all you people tell this to
the 9 -11 Commission?

I testified for the 9 -11 Commission
behind closed doors. Why behind closed

doors? Well, my speculation was that
they didn't want the story to be out.

How does the last man out get left out
of the 9 -11 commission report?

We've definitely got the makings of a
conspiracy.

The governor arrives at his war room
where his elite team of investigators

researchers is at the ready.

He was there the day that the towers
were hit. And William swears up and

this is the intriguing part, that an
explosion took place below them.

About six to eight seconds before
anything happened way up above.

Below? Below. Why come out now? What's
he getting from this?

Come out now? He was brought in front of
the 9 -11 commission. They took him in

a private room. He testified for 30
minutes. And today there's no record of

even being there. Any chance he's not in
the record because his story doesn't

check out? His story contradicts the
official story.

Alex pretty severely, doesn't it?

Bombs going off below?

Well, if you don't want that out to the
public, why would you acknowledge

William Rodriguez in any way, shape, or
form? To just deny or not even

acknowledge that the guy testified? Come
on, that's a little shady.

And they wouldn't call you to testify
unless you had something credible to

We're going to check out William
Rodriguez.

Now get me somebody else.

Okay, we are going to look at Stephen
Jones. He's a former physics professor

from Brigham Young University.

Now he analyzed dust samples from
September 11th and says that he found

explosive residue in it.

Really?

As soon as he published his findings, he
was forced to leave his post at Brigham

Young. No kidding.

No. So he's effectively fired. Alex, get
on a plane, get up to Salt Lake City,

interview Professor Jones, find out
anything you can about this. Got it.

Utah. Investigator Alex Piper meets
Professor Stephen Jones, a physicist

conclusions about 9 -11 proved to be
highly explosive.

I, just within a couple days, had angry
emails, and particularly from

an engineer, identified himself as a
consultant with Homeland Security,

saying that if I published this, the
pain would be great.

Professor Jones says evidence shows the
Twin Towers were brought down by

explosives.

The first clue was what happened to
another building in the Trade Center

complex. Number 7 was never hit by a
plane, but it collapsed the same way as

the ones that were.

The official story for Building 7, the
claim is it was due to fire.

Well, it just didn't add up. I mean, in
terms of the speed and the completeness

of the collapse.

Explosives, on the other hand, explain
it handily. But explosives mean someone

had access to this building.

We're not talking now about al -Qaeda.
This is a highly secure building. So I

did some checking on Building 7.

7 World Trade Center was a 47 -story
office building. Among its tenants, the

Department of Defense, the Secret
Service, and the CIA.

Not the easiest place to plant a bomb.

You're not going to have al -Qaeda
running in there planting explosives to

that down in that way.

Then we started looking at the dust.
We've all seen that dust that produced

The towers came down. Building 7 also
produced this enormous dust cloud.

It was in that dust that Professor Jones
made the very startling discovery.

There's a residue of explosive in this
World Trade Center dust.

The presence of explosive residue.

was never mentioned in the official
report.

So do you believe that there was
controlled demolition used not only in

Trade Center 7, but also in Buildings 1
and 2 as well? Yes.

Yes, I do.

We do have good evidence for the use of
explosives.

Sure, they were hit by planes. I'm not
challenging that. But I'm saying that's

not the full story.

Because there are residues of explosives
in the dust.

Professor Jones claims the residue is a
substance called superthermite, a

combination of powdered iron oxide and
aluminum.

When ignited, it burns at 2 ,500 degrees
Celsius, much hotter than jet fuel.

It's a liquid when it's wet, and it can
actually be painted on. I mean, these

guys might actually have thought they
were just painting. When you're painting

with it, it's safe.

It's really quite remarkable stuff. When
it dries, it's a high explosive.

The professor has offered one very
frightening scenario.

But is it a plausible explanation that
supports William Rodriguez, who heard

explosions down below?

Coming up, the super thermite theory is
put to the test.

Then, Jesse Ventura heads to ground
zero.

In search of that explosive residue.

The main focus going on that day was to
get rid of every shred of evidence.

And later, he finds new evidence of a 9
-11 cover -up. You saw the black boxes

at some point? They had found one that I
know of that I actually physically saw.

Jesse Ventura is investigating the 9 -11
conspiracy and a claim that the World

Trade Towers were brought down by an
explosive substance called super

Sure, they were hit by planes, but I'm
saying that's not the full story because

there's residues of explosives in the
dust.

People, did we find anybody who can back
up Professor Jones' findings?

Yes, we did. We contacted the research
lab at New Mexico Tech, and they've

agreed to conduct an experiment using
superthermite.

Right, this is Van Romero. He's one of
their top researchers, and he's going to

do the test.

Hello, Governor. My name is Van Romero,
and I understand you have some questions

about superthermite. Well, let's do an
experiment.

The first step in the experiment is to
make the liquid superthermite. We mix it

in with the paint.

And then we have our super thermite
liquid paint.

Once we make the mixture in the lab, we
take it out into the field to do the

test.

Before we apply super thermite to a
beam, let's take a beam without super

thermite on it and subject it to a fire.

Three, two, one, fire.

As you can see, fire burns and the beam
slowly heats up.

The beam burns briefly, but it does not
melt.

Now let's paint the super thermite onto
the metal beam, subject it to a fire,

see what happens.

Fire!

As we expected, the beam with the
thermite is burning much brighter. It's

hotter fire than we had before.

So the temperature is going to rise in
this beam more than it would in a beam

without the thermite.

Does it burn long enough and hot enough
so that we have structural failure?

Anybody still got any doubts?

Alex? I do.

I mean, listen, it's one thing to say
that this thing can be liquefied and

as paint. It's another thing to say that
it was used at the World Trade Center

site. Rodriguez told me construction was
a daily thing there. Yeah. That every

floor, when a tenant moved out,
construction took place. What happens

Painting. And painters could be painting
this stuff on and not even know it.

Imagine if this stuff was painted on
buildings in New York, Boston,

D .C., all over the country.

That stuff could be everywhere.

After seeing that, there was only one
place to go next.

I headed to ground zero.

I didn't expect to find any super
thermite.

But I also didn't expect to find so many
victim survivors still looking for

answers.

My name is Manny Padillo. Hi, Manny.
Hello, this is my uncle. I'm 9 -11.

I'm the show's destroyer. I really
appreciate what you're doing right now

because we need as many people as
possible.

Knowledge is power.

You know, you've said that.

And what it comes down to is people need
to know what happened here. What really

upset me about the so -called
investigation, my son's murder, all

members, they were murdered.

Right. And people had said within that
commission.

We're not here to place blame. Now, just
think of yourself as a parent losing a

son, and a police commissioner says
we're not here to place blame. When they

said that, my response was, well, then
what are you for?

You know, we can talk about these
buildings, Tower 7 falling down.

You know, most people don't even notice
Tower 7 came down.

I know. These people are lying to us.

Jesse makes his way closer to the scene
of the crime.

He's hoping to get into the Ground Zero
site, maybe find some remnants of the

original steel that he can bring back
for testing.

You can walk in there and they'll tell
you to shut this off. But the police

guard won't let him closer than a view
of the new Freedom Tower, built to

withstand impacts from above and below.

How did they build this building any
different?

than the first one, so that this one
don't collapse if it catches on fire,

I don't fully believe.

If you look up from the street level,
straight up to about maybe seven

how you see the difference, all of that
is steel and concrete encasement, which

differed from the original building.

All these buildings.

are being built with the same
technology, the forced and reinforced

concrete structures, normal cement
walls, maybe 12 to 18 inches. This is

three feet thick. The new buildings
would withstand the heat from jet fuel

super thermite. But the original steel,
it was long gone.

Most of it shipped out and recycled.

This crime scene had been destroyed a
long time ago.

The end result is this.

The government knowingly destroyed all
the evidence.

And you think that's because they're
covering it up? Why else?

Give me an example of why they would
change basic police investigation.

The logic is that people didn't want to
have to look at that eyesore to remind

themselves of what happened on that day.
I'll give that to you. But then why did

it all have to be destroyed? Couldn't
they have removed it and taken it to

another spot so that then it could be
investigated? No. The main focus going

that day was to get rid of every shred
of evidence, melt it down, build...

Navy ships out of it, ship it off to
China.

Anything they could do with the remains
out there, they did it. It would have

taken a mere two to three hours to check
for demolition.

The visit to Lower Manhattan does pay
off when Jesse Ventura meets a Ground

rescue worker.

Mike Ballone says he witnessed a 9 -11
cover -up, the recovery of the black box

flight recorders from the attack
jetliners.

The 9 -11 Commission report says the
boxes were never found.

Jesse arranges to meet with Ballone away
from the scene.

To my knowledge, they've never, ever not
been able to find the black boxes

before. They're supposedly pretty much
indestructible. Now, if they went

the debris to the point where they could
find small bone fragments, DNA tested,

and match it up to victims, how could
they miss these big yellow striped boxes

that everyone and their uncle would be
looking for?

Jesse and his team arrive at Mike
Ballone's home in upstate New York.

Ballone was a volunteer at Ground Zero.
He did recovery and rescue work for 257

straight days.

On one of those days, he says he
witnessed something he wasn't supposed

From the very day that 9 -11 happened,
you were there every day. Right. And you

were there the day...

that you saw the black boxes at some
point? Was it nighttime that that

Yes. It was nighttime. So how many days
in? Do you have any idea? I would say

the end of September to the beginning of
October. So literally three to four

weeks. Three to four weeks after the
collapse, the particular night you're

working, and take us through what
happened that night, the night of the

boxes.

Nick. who was the other ATV man. The FBI
was loading all their teleponders

and all their fancy equipment onto the
back of his rig.

And these are the things that will
locate the black box? Yes. These are the

of devices? The locators. The locators.
He was to escort these FBI agents into

the area so they can look for the boxes.

They had found one that I know of that I
actually physically saw.

And when he was finished, he came back
and told me that they had found two

You actually saw one? I actually
physically saw one. And Nick told you

found two more for a total of three of
the four?

Yes. Okay.

And the FBI looked pretty happy about
it.

That was the last I saw of it. What was
your response when the 9 -11

commissioned that they said that no
black boxes were found? Because their

official position is that there were no
black boxes discovered at the trade

centers, none of the four.

I started getting a lot of phone calls
from a lot of different people. Like? I

had a visit from an FBI agent that said
I should discuss the matter, and I asked

him why. And he says, well, it's just...

Something that we really shouldn't
discuss right now. You really shouldn't

about it.

You guys know what we saw. Yeah, we know
what we saw. We know what we did.

What would cause Mike Ballone to tell a
lie?

I don't think he is lying. I think that
that's exactly what happened.

This is why we've got to pursue this.

We have to.

Still ahead, have the black boxes really
been found?

I said, so how many of these boxes did
they actually ever find?

And he said, do you want the real answer
or the official answer?

Then, Jesse Ventura storms the building
where the evidence is hidden. Get up

here!

This is what they don't want me to see.
And later, he confronts the FBI.

Many times the left hand doesn't know
what the right hand is doing.

Absolutely.

The government makes all these grandiose
claims of what happened that day. The

jet fuel went down the elevator shafts,
and yet they offer not a shred of

evidence that any of that is true.

It is complete speculation.

We know why the buildings fell. We know
what happened with the jet fuel. It's

all explained in those government
reports.

There's no mystery there. Yes, it is.
It's all a mystery.

I'm asking for evidence. I'm not asking
for a theory. How do they prove that any

of this fuel did not explode on impact?
I ask you. Well, I don't know how you

prove a negative. Then they haven't
proved nothing, have they? They've only

you a theory.

And they expect you to believe it
because it comes from them. All they do

write crap on a piece of paper. And when
you ask them questions about things

they write on the piece of paper, they
ain't even got the balls or the guts to

come forward and talk to you about it.

Conspiracy theory continues next.

Jesse Ventura's conspiracy team focuses
on the flight recorders from the two

jetliners that crashed into the World
Trade Towers.

According to the 9 -11 Commission, those
black boxes and all the crucial

information they held were never
recovered.

According to Ground Zero volunteer Mike
Ballone, the FBI found at least three.

You actually saw one? I actually
physically saw one. And Nick told you

found two more for a total of three of
the four?

Yes.

Investigator Alex Piper still has his
doubts.

But Ballone's story leads him to Dale
Leppard.

Leppard has been a commercial airline
pilot for five decades, and he's the

expert in aviation accident
investigation.

So in your 48 years in the industry,
have you ever been to a scene or heard

scene where the black boxes were not
recovered?

No, sir, I have not.

Never once? Never once, no.

Were you surprised when you heard that
none of the four black boxes were found

from the World Trade Center site?

Yes, I was. I was quite surprised. It
was a big mess there, let's face it. But

these things are very distinctive.
They're bright orange color and they're

easy to see. What are they built of?

Usually steel or titanium.

They're practically indestructible.
They're designed to withstand the

temperature of fuel in an aircraft
that's burning is about 1 ,100 degrees

Celsius, which is about 2 ,000 degrees
Fahrenheit.

So the odds of going to an accident
scene and not finding these black boxes

Almost zero.

The odds get even slimmer after the
governor tracks down Dave Lindorf in the

Pennsylvania mountains.

Lindorf is a respected, award -winning
investigative journalist.

He has his own black box story to tell.
I'm talking with one of the people at

the NTSA, National Transportation Safety
Administration, which is the place that

investigates these boxes. And I said, so
how many of these boxes did they

actually ever find? And he said, do you
want the...

Real answer or the official answer?

Of course I want the real answer. And he
said, well, then that has to be off the

record. I said, fine, so what's the
deal? And he said, well, the real answer

we got all four of them.

and that they are now in the possession
of the FBI, which took them away from

us. He said, if you want the official
answer, call the public relations office

at the NTSA and ask them, which I did,
and they said we never got them. Then I

called the FBI and got the official
answer too, which is the answer that

gave to the 9 -11 commission, which is
that they weren't recovered.

They always find the black boxes. They
found the TWA one in the middle of the

ocean. And here they were finding, you
know, fingernail shaving sized pieces of

bone to identify bodies in the World
Trade Center. And they didn't find these

four. You know, they're this big, these
big orange metal boxes, painted orange.

It's not possible.

Look, people, these black boxes were
made to withstand nearly anything.

Now, you're telling me they can't find
them when they went through this debris

with a fine -tooth comb, and you're
going to tell me that they wouldn't find

these black boxes even if they were
charred, burnt, and melted?

Of course they would. What are the black
boxes going to tell us that we don't

already know? The hijackers were in the
cockpit, and the planes crashed into the

buildings. Alex, are you kidding me?
They tell us everything.

They will tell us what the hijackers
were saying, who they said it to, were

receiving transmitted instructions from
the ground, what language they were

speaking in.

Well,

a lot of the evidence from 9 -11 is
stored at a hangar at JFK, Hangar 17.

We asked permission to go in, and they
wouldn't let us in, even without our

cameras. And they wonder why there's
conspiracy theories?

Let's get on this one, people.

Coming up, Jesse Ventura shifts into
combat mode for an assault on Hangar 17.

Unauthorized personnel prohibited beyond
this point. Let's see if we all get

arrested.

Then, the black box mystery takes a wild
turn.

Just put it off.

And later, shocking accusations about
who was behind the 9 -11 conspiracy.

It was a false flag attack.

On America by American.

Jesse Ventura's conspiracy team has
found enough overlooked and hidden

to ask even more questions about the
events of 9 -11.

Now, Jesse is in stealth mode at John F.
Kennedy Airport.

This is where much of the remaining
evidence from Ground Zero is stored.

That evidence could hold many answers.

This is the infamous Hangar 17.

This is a place where we've contacted on
multiple, multiple occasions to go

inside and see what they have inside
this building because there are remnants

from September the 11th.

in there.

I'd like to see them lift that door so
we could see what would be beyond that

maybe.

No access to that.

Get up here!

Get up here!

This is what they don't want me to see.

We've tried to get in this building. We
can't even get in it now. The door is

locked. You can see girders, obviously
from the 9 -11 site.

Were they tested for super thermite? I
doubt it. Look at all that dust. That's

where they'd find it.

Why won't they give us access to this
building?

What is the reason for it?

There's no way in. The contents of
Hangar 17 remain sealed.

But the investigation has only begun.

The only way this works is if it's an
inside job.

Isn't that what we're investigating
here, Alex?

Do I believe that the government would
set out to kill over 3 ,000 of its own

citizens and bring down some of its most
iconic landmarks? No, I don't.

You're telling me that you do?

I don't necessarily believe the
government did it.

But I will tell you who I think might
have.

How many people here know what a false
flag operation is?

Do you have any idea?

Okay, what it is, basically, it's a lie.
It's a deception that the government

does in which to get the public to
believe something so that they can carry

an agenda.

False flag. A covert operation designed
to appear it was carried out by another

nation or group.

The biggest one I know of is called
Operation Northwoods. And in my opinion,

was clear treason.

The CIA and military would attack
certain U .S. cities, and they would

look like Cuba did it, thus to justify
and get the public behind an invasion of

Cuba. Now, this never happened because
Kennedy wouldn't do it, but it was still

placed on the table in 1961.

Now, if you understand that it was on
the table in 61, could it not have been

the table in 2001?

False flag operation?

While the governor lays out the
possibility,

Jun Sar Pong meets a former U .S. Air
Force pilot who claims that's exactly

it was.

Jeff Dahlstrom was a lieutenant during
the Vietnam era.

He was one of 25 former military
officers, including a deputy assistant

secretary of defense, who joined forces
to challenge the official 9 -11 report.

It was a false flag attack.

on America by Americans, coupled with a
stand -down.

In other words, our military was told
not to respond.

Prior to 9 -11, back in May of that
year, was that they changed the

rules about hijacking protocols.

They basically no longer left that in
the hands of the military. They had to

have a civilian leader.

such as Rumsfeld or Cheney or the
president, authorized the shoot -down

of an aircraft in American airspace.

So they had already set it up ahead of
time.

There were 67 other hijackings or
intercepts by the U .S. Air Force for

years prior to this, and how could we
have four airliners on the very same day

flying into buildings in our country?

and not have the military stop them.

The first stage of what the 9 -11 attack
did was it created a justification for

passing the Patriot Act. And what did
that do?

That took away at least half of the
original Bill of Rights.

No question that it was a false flag
attack. In other words, that we created

this in our own country in order to
justify going to war, for the bankers to

finance the war, etc.

The missing black box recorders from the
9 -11 jets could show whether

government forces were involved in the
attack.

They could resolve the false flag issue.

And suddenly, they're back in play.

Jesse responds to another call from Mike
Ballone.

Ballone had said he saw FBI men recover
a black box from the ashes.

Now he's promising more.

People who've heard the black box
recordings, they're willing to talk to

governor.

Still ahead, Jesse Ventura gets closer
to the black box cover -up. They

monitored the phone calls that were
coming in from the actual flight. They

things that are different from the
official story.

Yes. And then he goes mano a mano with
the FBI.

Did you do things that had never seen
the light of day when you were on the

teams? Of course you did.

Jesse Ventura meets up again with Mike
Ballone.

The Ground Zero rescue worker has
promised to lead the governor to people

heard the missing 9 -11 flight
recordings.

But the plans hit a snag.

Hey, Mike.

How's it going, okay?

I'm hanging in there.

So what's happening? I hear we got
problems.

Some of my friends from Boston just seem
to have a little...

issue with what we're talking about.

They don't want to participate anymore.
They don't want to talk. Well, they're

scared. They're scared.

Inside the diner, Jesse and his advisor,
Michael Braverman, take the situation

one step at a time.

Like these friends of yours, they all
worked for the airlines, right? They

supervisors for Flight 11.

Which is the flight that hit where?

That was the first plane that hit the
tower, and they monitored the phone

that were coming in.

From the actual flight. They know things
that are different from the official

story. Yes. None of them are with
American Airlines anymore.

One of them is running for her life
because her house is bugged. They bugged

vehicle, her cell phone.

She finds bugs wherever she goes. She
finds people following her up until this

day. This is happening because they're
trying to frighten this person.

Into not talking about what they know.

Absolutely. Just like the FBI came to me
and said, listen, I don't want you

talking about any of this.

Black boxes, nothing.

Don't talk about it anymore.

Or you'll have a problem. You're telling
me that they will not talk to us in

silhouette? They will not talk to us
protected?

No. If we scramble their voice and
scramble their... They're all on the

We came all this way.

Why not?

Why not?

He can't make them.

Because you'll find them dead.

You know what? Just, you cut that for a
minute. Just cut it off.

Ballone refuses to allow Jesse Ventura
to repeat what he tells him about the

black boxes.

But the governor wants it all on the
record.

Hi. This is Governor Jesse Ventura.
Sorry to bother you, but I understand

you canceled talking to us. And my only
message to you is this. Remember, the

truth will set you free.

And you really want to live your whole
life with the knowledge you have and not

pass it on.

We're here for you to talk to you. And
we're going to keep moving forward.

going to keep seeking the truth because
we're not going to let this thing go

away. It's not going to disappear.

Trust me, the truth will set you free.

Thank you.

Back in New York City, the governor and
Braverman hook up with Alex Piper.

Alex's doubts about Ballone are not what
Jesse Ventura wants to hear after a

five -hour drive.

Don't you think it's a little shady that
Ballone says he had these people and

then when we actually go and fly all the
way to Syracuse and go meet with them,

all of a sudden they are in Virginia or
they don't want to talk to us? I do. We

got in his face about that. Ballone told
us unequivocally they're in fear of

their lives.

Why are people hiding?

And who would be threatening them?

Mike Malone says he's been threatened. A
guy came up and badged him and the

whole thing and told him to stop talking
about the black boxes.

Is Mike telling the truth?

So what do we do now? I think we go to
the Department of Justice. I think we go

to the FBI. And I think I walk in and
ask them questions.

Job, you're wasting your time. The
government says there is no black boxes.

Well, I believe Malone. And I want to go
to the FBI. I want to go wherever we

got to go to find out about the black
boxes.

Take me there.

Coming up, Jesse Ventura confronts the
FBI with the 9 -11 evidence.

Does the United States government do
some things in the dead of night that

did on field teams that we would not
want to have discussed?

Of course we did.

And then, an astonishing revelation from
the black box flight recorders. Does it

confirm a government cover -up? Mike
Ballone told us a real mind -blower.

I just want to go on record that this is
a really bad idea.

Jesse Ventura was turned away from
Ground Zero, denied entrance at Hangar

where crucial evidence is under lock and
key.

Yet he and his team have uncovered real
clues to a 9 -11 conspiracy, and he

refuses to be stonewalled by the FBI.

We've already asked them to sit down
with you. They've said no. Why do you

all of a sudden you're just going to
walk into the lobby and they're going to

say, yeah, come on up? Maybe face -to
-face. I told you before, it's easy to

no over the phone. It's easy to say no
on an email.

It's not that easy to say no when
someone walks in face -to -face.

I'm going inside.

That's a bad idea. You can't go in while
I'm going in.

The combination of determination and
reputation gets results.

Jack Cloonan is no public relations man.

He's an FBI agent, a counterterrorism
specialist with the New York Bureau, and

he played a key role in the 9 -11
investigation.

Why was everything shipped away and
destroyed before it could be looked at?

built a ship out of it. I remember Rudy
Giuliani bragging 24 hours after the

event that they had already gotten 41
truckloads out of there.

The FBI did a meticulous investigation
of that crime scene,

given its enormity.

Jesse cuts to the chase.

He reveals Mike Ballone's claim that he
saw a black box being recovered by

Cloonan's FBI colleagues.

He visibly saw one of them. His partner
said they've got two more to give three

out of the four black boxes. And we've
also talked to an airline investigative

specialist who says never in the annals
of history.

Have they ever found where they couldn't
at least find the black boxes? You

guys, everybody at this site went
through that debris with such a fine

comb. They were finding bone fragments
the size of nail clippings and DNA

matching it. Yet we're told the black
boxes, for the first time in history,

destroyed, gone, never found them.

I'm expected to believe that. Do you
believe that? Do you think that the FBI

could possibly look in the faces of
victims'

families and say, we're not going to
share this information with you?

Then where are they? I don't know where
they are.

First time in history. So what? There
were so many firsts at 9 -11. First time

steel -structured building fell from
fire alone.

First time. First, first, first, first.
There's so many firsts here. That's your

point of view. I'm telling you. I'm
telling you. We find the boxes. I'm

you to not close your mind to this and
to listen to what I'm saying.

There is no reason for the FBI to lie to
you or anybody else in this country

about what took place on the morning of
9 -11.

Many times the left hand doesn't know
what the right hand's doing.

Absolutely. And that goes on.

All the time. All the time. All the
time. Listen, does the United States

government on occasion shade things to
protect sources and methods? Of course

they do.

Do they do some things in the dead of
night that you did on SEAL teams that we

would not want to have discussed?

Of course we did.

And did you do things that have never
seen the light of day when you were on

SEAL teams? Of course you did.

That's what I'm here to tell you. Okay,
then you've told me.

Another question is answered when Mike
Ballone has a change of heart.

He allows the governor to go on the
record.

with the shocking revelations about the
9 -11 black box flight recorders.

Mike Ballone told us a real mind blower.

He said the airline people said the
hijackers were in the cockpit of

Airlines while it was still on the
runway, before it even took off.

Ballone says that somebody on the ground
knew a hijacker was in the cockpit.

Somebody else on the ground let that
plane take off. Whatever the reasons

let the plane take off, I think we now
know why they don't want to discover the

black boxes.

The black boxes would reveal if the
hijackers were speaking English. And if

government knew they were at the
controls before the jetliners took off,

know they'd have had even more time to
scramble fighter jets to intercept them.

They didn't. And who'd gain from that?

Every government official we talk to
refers us back to the 9 -11 report.

Well, I've read the 9 -11 report, and
there's nothing in it that talks about

explosion below that William Rodriguez
told us about. There's nothing in the 9

-11 report that talks about the thermite
discovered in the dust.

that Professor Jones told us about. And
it certainly doesn't explain why our air

defense was in a stand -down mode while
all hell was breaking loose in our

airspace. And finally, where are the
eyewitness testimonies? People like Mike

Ballone, who swear they found the black
boxes at Ground Zero. And where are

those black boxes now?

Are they being hidden because they might
tell us?

That the hijackers were in the cockpit
of American Airlines before it even took

off? These are the facts as we found
them. But I'm more convinced than ever

the real story of 9 -11 is lying in some
government vault somewhere.

I'm Jesse Ventura, and this is
Conspiracy Theory.