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[PLAYING UPBEAT POP MUSIC]
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[SINGING INDISTINCTLY]
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JOHN:
Elton John, up at Pinewood on--
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- What's the date?
WOMAN: The 12th of--
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JOHN:
Twelfth of March.
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It's me, split track, 20--
Thirty-frame center track.
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There's the tone.
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MAN:
Quiet, please.
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[PLAYING UPBEAT POP MUSIC]
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[JOHN SINGING]
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JOHN:
Here we go.
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[SINGING]
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HAHN: It was the spring of 1994
and we were just finishing The Lion King,
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which would go on
to earn great reviews
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and about three-quarters
of a billion dollars at the box office.
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Not bad for a group of artists
who were kicked off the Disney lot
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and an art form that was given up for dead
just ten years earlier.
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HAHN:
I produced The Lion King
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and the cast-and-crew premiere
was coming up fast.
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It was tradition for all of us
to get up on-stage
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and give warm thank-you speeches.
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But this time
I decided to film all the speeches instead.
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HAHN: Whenever you're comfortable.
- You are rolling?
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HAHN: Yeah.
- Okay.
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With all the many varied businesses
this company is in, it is clear--
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It becomes clearer every day
that animation is its soul, heart,
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and most of its body parts.
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You guys have done an unbelievable job
over the last decade,
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culminating in Lion King,
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in pushing forward the company,
the culture and the quality of artistry.
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Congratulations from me,
from anybody who is not on this tape,
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from our board, our shareholders
and my children.
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Congratulations.
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- Thank you.
- Thanks, everybody.
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Thank you to everybody
for another absolutely incredible job
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on another marvelous movie on the way
to the next great movie.
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To an outsider,
it looked like a perfect world.
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- Thank you.
- But backstage,
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the tension had reached a peak.
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HAHN: Thank you.
- Okay?
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- That was it?
- Yeah, perfect.
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Even though it was the moment
of our greatest success,
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the wheels were coming off the car.
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This is the story of how we got there.
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[SOFT JAZZ MUSIC PLAYING]
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[PLAYING CHRISTMAS MUSIC]
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HAHN:
Let's back up to the early '80s
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on the Disney Studio lot
in Burbank, California.
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The animation band is spreading
its holiday cheer to the employees
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with banjos and jew's harps,
as was the tradition.
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And that's me on the right,
trying to play "Jingle Bells" on the bass.
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Like so many of us,
I grew up on a diet of Disney films.
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And every four years,
I'd make a pilgrimage
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to the drive-in theater
to see their latest animated masterpiece.
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When I was 20, I got a job at the studio
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delivering artwork and coffee
to the animators
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and I felt like I won the lottery.
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HAHN:
This was the house that Walt built.
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Walt Disney, the toast of Hollywood,
the genius behind Disneyland
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and the producer behind the first
animated feature, Snow White.
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By the 1950s,
Walt was losing interest in animation
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and his attention turned
to live-action films,
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the new medium of television,
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and building the first theme park,
Disneyland,
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and planning futuristic cities
of tomorrow.
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WALT: By far, the most important part
of our Florida Project,
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in fact, the heart of everything
we'll be doing in Disney World,
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will be our Experimental Prototype City
of Tomorrow, Epcot.
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Walt died in 1966,
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but the studio still made sweet, harmless,
animated comedies for kids,
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supervised by his master animators,
the Nine Old Men,
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and produced by Walt's son-in-law,
studio head Ron Miller.
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I'm Randy Cartwright
and this is Ron Miller.
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- How are you?
- How are you?
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- Good to see you. This is Randy.
- Great way to start the film.
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- Is this a new--? Your first commercial?
- Ha, ha. Yup.
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What is this for?
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- Just home movie.
LASSETER: It's a documentary.
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- Home movie?
- Documentary of the animation studio.
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Hi, Mom.
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Well, we're off to a good start.
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Here it is, April 9th, 1980.
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This is the past
to all you folks out there.
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And we're gonna go inside
and see what it's like. Come on.
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For some reason,
the halls of the Disney Animation building
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always smelled faintly of swamp coolers
and pencil shavings and old linoleum.
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This is the infamous Rat's Nest.
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Animation had been in
this slow downward spiral for a long time,
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even since Walt Disney was alive.
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As veteran animators retired, new kids,
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mostly from the Disney-sponsored school,
CalArts, filled the hallways.
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LASSETER:
Why, Rubén, you're from CalArts also.
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- Right.
- And who are you?
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LASSETER: Me?
- Yes.
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LASSETER:
I'm John Lasseter.
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He's the cameraman.
He's leaving in a little while.
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- Could I show you animation?
- He's got six days.
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- Could I show you animation?
- This is animation.
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Could I flip something for you?
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This is it. Look at that. Peter Pan.
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- Oh, looks up and... Ah.
CARTWRIGHT: Weird.
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It's better than the magic
we're making today,
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but we can't help that.
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We were full of a lot of pent-up youthful
creative energy that had to go somewhere,
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so it was channeled into things
like long lunches, volleyball games,
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the annual caricature show,
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and my perennial favorite,
the holiday show
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that starred Eddie Fisher and Doris Day,
for some unknown reason.
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[IN WOMAN'S VOICE]
I hate Zsa Zsa.
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[ANIMATORS LAUGHING]
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CARTWRIGHT: This is one of our
animators here. This is Ron Clements.
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He's working on a scene of the Widow
from The Fox and the Hound.
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- Magically, here is Mr. John-ald Musker.
- Thank you, thank you.
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CARTWRIGHT: Another animator here
at the magic factory.
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LASSETER: This is Glen Keane.
CARTWRIGHT: Keane.
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LASSETER:
He is a directing animator.
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KEANE:
I've been here since 8:00 this morning.
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LASSETER: Hi, Tim.
CARTWRIGHT: This is Tim Burton,
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another one of our people here.
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Ron Miller knew that
Walt's guys were retiring fast.
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He had to raise a new crop of animators,
but he was cautious about it.
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He got burned five years earlier
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when he entrusted a charismatic animator
named Don Bluth to lead the department.
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But Bluth polarized the animators.
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Some adored him
as the messiah of animation and others...
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Well, others thought
he was just another Walt wannabe.
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Ironically,
Bluth himself became disillusioned
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with the studio's Animation Department.
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So on his birthday in 1979,
he resigned
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and took half the animators with him
to start his own studio.
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The bombshell set back the release
of The Fox and the Hound by six months
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and left Miller and the studio betrayed.
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CLEMENTS: It was this interesting
cross-generational thing
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where you still had a few
of these legendary Disney artists
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who were now in their sixties
and approaching retirement
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and then a bunch of young people
in their twenties
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who were really, really excited
and sort of passionate about this medium.
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It was thrilling to learn
from the masters.
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But there was a feeling like that somehow
we could be making better films.
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Around that time,
the studio did a survey
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that revealed
a majority of teenage moviegoers
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wouldn't be caught dead
near a Disney movie.
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We were just waiting,
waiting for something, anything to happen.
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On Monday,
we reported that Walt Disney Studios
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was on shaky financial ground,
because of its troubled Film Division
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and weak earnings
from the Epcot Center in Florida.
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However, since that report,
there have been dramatic developments.
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In just four days,
Disney stock jumped 16 percent,
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topping off at around $58 a share.
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Analysts attribute the jump
to two factors.
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Splash, the youth-oriented comedy
about a mermaid in Manhattan,
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stunned Hollywood by racking up
over $6 million in its opening three days.
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That's the best opening for any movie
in Disney's history.
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Another surprise, the resignation of
Roy E. Disney as chairman of the board.
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He's Walt's nephew and son of Walt's
brother, the company's co-founder.
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The real heartbeat of this company was,
is and will always be the film business.
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Because from the film business
comes the ideas
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that then generate new things
in the parks.
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New promotions, new--
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A kind of a sense of continuing newness
about the company in general.
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And when that began to fail--
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And I actually, somewhere along the line,
began hearing things like,
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"Well, I don't think they really wanna stay
in the movie business,
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because it's not doing very well
and we don't really even need it anyway."
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And that gave me all sorts of problems,
because I, you know--
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I remember saying at one point,
"Well, if you really think that way,
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then what you're doing
is running a museum."
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SCHNEIDER: People always talked
about Roy as the idiot nephew.
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That was his nickname.
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Nothing could be really further
from the truth.
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He was smart, unassuming
and powerful.
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You could easily underestimate him,
but you did so at your own peril.
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In 1984, the corporate raider Saul
Steinberg turned his sights on Disney.
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He threatened to buy the company,
break it up and sell the parts for a profit.
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The board countered by paying Steinberg
a premium to buy back his shares.
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It was greenmail.
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For years,
Roy and his cousin-in-law, Ron Miller,
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sat across the boardroom table.
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And now the two were at odds
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with how the board was handling
the takeover threat.
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ROY: And we finally came to the conclusion
that we can't do anything on the inside,
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because I'm the lone voice of dissent
on this board.
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So I resigned
from the board of directors.
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And it got enormous amounts
of attention.
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I had a stack the next morning
of phone messages
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that probably was three,
four inches deep.
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One of the messages in that stack
was Eisner.
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And I had known Michael
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because he'd come maybe a year
before that on to the board at CalArts.
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Michael wasn't an M.B.A.
He was an English major.
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He grew up in New York,
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where one of his first jobs
was programming kids' television for ABC.
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SCHNEIDER: And Michael had an amazing
track record coming from Paramount.
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He'd had hits, Oscar nominations,
Terms of Endearment.
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He was a winner when he was hired
to come in and run Disney.
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He also was a man
who liked to blow things up.
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It was Frank Wells that gave Roy
the idea of making Michael the chairman.
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Frank and Roy were classmates
at Pomona College in the early '50s.
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ROY: I thought, you know,
Frank's more of a businessman
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and Michael is a little nuts.
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And the two together kind of in some ways
made me think of Walt and my dad.
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So we began saying,
"How would you two like to take this job?"
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There's been a management shake-up
in the Magic Kingdom of Disney.
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Two Hollywood studio executives
have been chosen
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to run Walt Disney Productions,
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the first time outsiders
have been brought in at the top.
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The Disney board of directors chose
Michael Eisner
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of Paramount Pictures as chairman,
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and Frank Wells of Warner Bros.
as chief operating officer.
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ROY: The first goal, really,
of new management
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is gonna be getting back
in the movie business
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in a very serious way,
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in the sense of not only
just making movies,
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but coming up with new ideas.
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Their partnership really
made the company special.
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There was this perception that Michael
was a shoot-from-the-hip,
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back-of-the-napkin kind of guy,
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and Frank was very organized
and ran things in an orderly manner.
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But in many ways, it was the opposite.
Michael was kind of the sane one.
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And Frank, he did bold and crazy things,
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like swimming oceans,
climbing the great summits of the world
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and calling at 3 a.m.
to ask what Goofy's original name was.
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Please welcome my mountain-climbing
Disney teammate, Frank Wells.
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I figured out from this employee forum
what the difference is
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between chief operating officer
and chief executive officer.
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Chief operating officer is in charge
of doing dangerous things,
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like when I have to fly here
with Tinker Bell on a tiny wire.
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Chief executive officer,
he's in charge of funny.
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Frank?
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Hi, Michael.
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ROY:
I came back to the company in 1984
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and, rather cavalier way at the time,
said to Michael,
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"Why don't you let me
have the Animation Department,
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because I may be the only guy right now,
with all these new people coming in,
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who at least understands the process
and knows most of the people."
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The state of the art at that moment
was kind of waning
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and the enthusiasm of the studio itself
towards it had not been real strong.
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So I just felt a little protective about it.
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MINKOFF:
And I was in John Musker's office.
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And I think it was Steve Hulett
came in
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with the memo saying that
Ron Miller had resigned.
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And we were shocked
and it was a huge bombshell to go off.
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But I thought it was,
you know, terrific news,
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that maybe it meant that things were
gonna actually get better at the studio.
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And John, I think, felt the same way.
He seemed pretty excited about it.
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But Ron was worried,
in a sort of melancholy mood, said,
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"It could always get worse."
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It was an invasion from Hollywood.
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The parking lot was jammed
with BMWs and Porsches.
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And I remember interior decorators
tearing down walls
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that hadn't been touched since 1939.
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New Berber carpeting replaced
decades-old linoleum.
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I couldn't figure out
what's wrong with linoleum.
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I mean,
Walt Disney walked on that linoleum.
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Even the snack machines
were being torn out.
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Goodbye, vending machines.
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KEANE: I had no experience
with Hollywood at that time.
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My experience was with kindly old men
with cardigan sweaters.
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And they would sit around
and pat you on the back.
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And here's these guys hollering foul
language in the middle of story meetings.
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And a splash of cold water,
suddenly a wake-up to reality.
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You're in the real world here.
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Hello. I'm Michael Eisner.
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And welcome to
The Disney Sunday Movie.
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SAWYER: Michael Eisner is the
irreverent kid from the Disney generation
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who has taken over the toy store.
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The money alone
is right out of Fantasyland.
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His salary and stock options are worth
tens of millions of dollars.
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He may look every inch
the company chairman
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when he is taping the introduction to
The Disney Sunday Night Movie.
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But in fact, he's having more fun
than any other boy on the block.
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Look, Mickey.
Some of our friends are coming.
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Hey, Minnie.
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So one of the first things
that Michael did as CEO
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was to bring in Jeffrey Katzenberg,
his colleague from Paramount,
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to run the Film Division of Disney.
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Jeffrey got his start in
New York politics,
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working in the office of
Mayor John Lindsay,
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where his affectionate nickname
was Squirt.
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At Paramount Pictures,
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he studied in the shadow of Barry Diller
and Michael Eisner.
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And there his nickname was
the Golden Retriever.
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At Disney, he really had no nickname,
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because this was the place
where he could step out of the shadows
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and make his mark on Hollywood.
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EISNER:
I sought him out at Paramount.
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We'd worked together.
He was just fantastic.
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He was a worker. He was committed.
He was obsessed.
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He made relationships.
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If we found somebody good,
he would lasso him into our company.
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He did it at Paramount
and he did it at Disney and he did it great.
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KATZENBERG: So I always remember
my first day at Disney when I showed up
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and I went to Michael's office
and he said,
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"Come here,
I wanna show you something."
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And I walked over
and he was looking out his window.
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And, you know, from his corner,
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he pointed down
to the Ink and Paint building.
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He said,
"Do you know what they do down there?"
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And I said, "No."
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He said, "That's where they make
the animated movies."
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I went, "Really?" He said, "Yes."
And he said, "And that's your problem."
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The first culture clash happened
on a much-anticipated film
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that was years in the making
and millions over budget,
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The Black Cauldron.
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- He's overwhelmed.
- He'd be jumping up and down.
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- Jumping, clapping.
- He'd be like:
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The younger guys were really impatient
and anxious to show what they could do,
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but they felt
like they were being held back
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by the remnants of the old guard.
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While the older guys thought the kids
were brats and should get back to work.
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In the case of The Black Cauldron,
we started with five books
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and had to condense them down
into one.
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KATZENBERG: In the first couple
of weeks I was at the studio,
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I saw The Black Cauldron.
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It was a very dark movie
and a very troubled movie.
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"This is just way, way, way too violent
and too scary.
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You have to edit
some of these things out."
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They said,
"Well, you can't edit an animated movie."
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I said, "Well, of course you can."
And they said, "No, you can't."
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TARAN:
Hey. No, you don't.
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KATZENBERG:
Honestly, you would think that
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I was causing World War Three
at the studio,
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because I literally said, "Well,
you get the film and bring it to an edit bay
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and I'm gonna show you
how you edit an animated movie."
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I mean it.
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Jeffrey was hands-on, elbows-on,
sharp elbows-on.
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You never knew
if he was gonna hug you or kick you.
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He said in an interview around that time,
"We've got to wake up Sleeping Beauty."
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Then Joe Hale, the producer of
The Black Cauldron, was furious.
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"Who are these guys?" he said.
"Sleeping Beauty is awake."
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He was fired not long after.
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Black Cauldron cost
$44 million to make
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and made less than half that
at the box office.
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And, to add insult to injury,
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it was beat out at the box office
by The Care Bears Movie.
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Oh!
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That day, Disney Animation hit bottom.
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- This is Ron Clements again.
- Hello.
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Explain a little bit about
Basil of Baker Street.
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KATZENBERG: One of the first things
Roy did was he arranged one day
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for us to be pitched the storyboards
for the entire movie.
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KATZENBERG:
And for the better part of three hours,
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literally the entire movie
was pitched to us.
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You go through one storyboard,
then they bring another
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and you'd sit there for hours and--
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I couldn't remember
what was in the first storyboard.
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It was a very hard process for me
to deal with.
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I'd been used to dealing
in the script area.
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KATZENBERG:
So when it was over, we all sort of said,
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"Thanks very much," and, "Great job."
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And Michael said,
"Walk back to my office with me."
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So we walked back.
On the way back to the office,
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he said, "What do you think?"
I said, "I have no idea."
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[KATZENBERG LAUGHS]
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And he said, "Neither do I."
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I said, "Well, here's the thing.
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We have 175 people and we're
paying them every day to come to work.
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And we're gonna pay them
whether they make this movie
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or they don't make this movie, so I guess
we probably ought to make the movie."
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And he says to me,
"Well, that's exactly my feeling too."
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The live-action business was booming
and Jeffrey needed offices
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for his new stable of stars,
like Bette Midler and Robin Williams.
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He wanted the animation building.
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The news came down from the head
of animation, Roy Disney,
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announcing that
the animators would have
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to move out of the building
and off the lot.
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What was going on here? I mean,
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this was the building where Walt Disney
made Cinderella and Peter Pan,
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and we were having to vacate?
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All there was was this memo.
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There was no meeting, no debate,
just a memo.
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I guess Roy didn't want
the confrontation.
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On our last day, 200 frightened people,
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the remnants of Disney's
once great Animation Studio,
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gathered on the steps
of the old Animation building
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for one last photo before we left.
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GABRIEL: So to carry that forward
into the new building,
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which was in Glendale,
not a great area,
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but the building itself was
such a gutted wretch of a building,
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with just cinder block and torn-up carpet
and barbed wire around it
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and broken bottles
on the crummy little parking lot.
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CARTWRIGHT:
So, Ed, what are you doing nowadays?
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I'm just emotionally under my desk.
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Well, we were all pretty sure
that we'd be fired in a week or so,
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so we decided to celebrate
the apparent end of Disney Animation
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with a full-scale reenactment
of Apocalypse Now.
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[DRAMATIC CLASSICAL MUSIC
PLAYING]
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[SCREAMING]
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We don't have long dark hallways
anymore. We got cubicles.
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The warehouse was an open plan,
so you couldn't really hide.
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It opened the place to frequent
and spontaneous communications
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in the hallways, in the men's room.
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- Come on in.
- Come on.
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The barriers were down.
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After the move, Jeffrey called a meeting
of all the animators,
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so the crew could air their questions
and concerns.
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So Jeffrey got up and said,
"Give me your best shot.
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Hit me in the solar plexus.
Ask me anything. I've got rhino skin."
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And somebody piped up and said, "We
don't think you know what you're doing."
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KATZENBERG: And I said,
"Look, I'm here. I'm not going away.
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And I'm more than happy to learn
and take the time and be educated by you.
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The fact is that the last couple
of animated movies made
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were not particularly good."
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CLEMENTS: The animation meetings
were usually scheduled,
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a lot of times, at 6:00 in the morning.
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And so, yeah, I remember driving
to go to those meetings.
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And then that sort of strange atmosphere
at that time of the morning,
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and hardly anyone is awake or around.
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ROY: He began calling meetings
for 8:00 in the morning on Sunday.
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And I think it was about the second one,
I was just angry.
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Because it's just such a total sign
of disrespect
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for a lot of very talented people
who are working their ass off for you.
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And I said, "Jeffrey, we gotta have
these meetings at some other time,
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because I promise you, if you have
another one of these things at 8 a.m.,
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I'm showing up in my pajamas."
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- Aren't you proud of it, Mr. Disney?
WALT: Why, I'm so proud, I think I'll bust.
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ALLERS:
I think it was right around the time of--
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The Oscars were--
It was just around the corner.
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And he said, "You know, I'm not interested
in the Academy Awards.
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I'm interested in
the Bank of America awards," you know.
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"What the money these things pull in."
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And it was just absolutely
the worst thing to tell a room full of artists.
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It was so discouraging.
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ROY:
Jeffrey, one day, he said to me,
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"You really need
to get your own Jeffrey Katzenberg."
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And I began thinking and thinking,
"You know, it's right.
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I can't do this by myself
and I'm not that talented anyway."
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So the call I made was
to Bob Fitzpatrick,
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who was in the Olympic Arts Festival
at the time.
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He says, "I think I have somebody.
I'll send him over to you.
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His name is Peter Schneider."
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SCHNEIDER: I was living in a small
apartment with my wife and baby daughter,
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and she said to me,
"Go get a job," you know.
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I was naive. I had no baggage,
no preconceived notions.
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I didn't care
what had been done in the past.
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I knew that I could do no worse
than The Black Cauldron.
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You know,
you can't fall off the first floor.
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Peter was given the title
of vice president,
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which, to the insurgent population
of animators, made him the Man.
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And the main weapon to fight the Man
was the dreaded caricature.
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PRUIKSMA: Well, Peter was
kind of a scary thing, you know.
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A small frame, wiry, and, you know,
full of nervous energy. He was like, "Nyah."
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TROUSDALE:
He looked like he was about 15 years old.
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He had this perpetual smile
that everybody caricatured.
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It was like this kind of wide-eyed,
predatory smile that really worried people.
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PRUIKSMA:
You'd go into his office,
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he would just sit all twisted up
like a pretzel. It was odd.
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And he had a little button that closed
the door behind you when you went in.
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When the door closed,
you'd kind of look back
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and see if there were scratch marks on it
or something like that. Ha-ha-ha!
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SCHNEIDER: When I got to Animation,
I knew I had a hundred days
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to change the culture
before it changed me.
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I was trying to empower people,
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to make them feel good about themselves,
to value the work.
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I brought in some of my own people
who'd worked for me in theater.
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00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,640
Kathleen Gavin, Maureen Donley,
Tom Schumacher.
457
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,400
- Sticky buns.
ANIMATORS: Sticky buns.
458
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:12,320
SCHNEIDER:
I brought in Lakers coach Pat Riley
459
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,400
to talk about winning and teamwork.
460
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Peter picked apart every piece
of the production process.
461
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,160
Why are we punching time clocks?
Why are we making our own paint?
462
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,400
Why can't we update our animation pegs?
Why don't we have more computers?
463
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,680
What about training?
464
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,240
It had this feeling of a freight train
leaving the station at light speed.
465
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,200
You better jump on or jump off fast.
466
00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:33,920
Most people got on and it was a wild ride,
an exciting time.
467
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,760
There was this team-sport mentality.
468
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,880
You can't play the game unless
everybody is firing off on all cylinders.
469
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,160
Even second string, you were hungry
to be part of this, to jump into the game.
470
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,240
There was an openness,
a permission, almost,
471
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,360
to be critical about anything.
Anything but the Marketing Department.
472
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,440
Marketing thought that the title
Basil of Baker Street
473
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,200
was a real head-scratcher
and they wanted to change it.
474
00:23:56,360 --> 00:24:00,360
So Peter sent off a memo announcing
that they were changing the title to:
475
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,920
The Great Mouse Detective.
476
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:04,760
GABRIEL: The resistance was pretty
fierce and we all started trying things
477
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,240
to get it to be our way
and it wasn't gonna change.
478
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,440
One of the artists got the bright idea
to send out a fake memo, in Peter's name,
479
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,920
saying that now all the Disney films
will be renamed.
480
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,320
From now on, Snow White would become
Seven Little Men Help a Girl.
481
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,600
And Pinocchio would be
The Wooden Boy Who Became Real.
482
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,440
Peter saw the joke memo
as undermining his authority
483
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,920
and demanded to know
who wrote the memo.
484
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,240
The artists saw it as good clean fun
and kept the author a secret.
485
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,720
They even sent it up to Jeffrey's office
for added amusement.
486
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,400
GABRIEL:
Peter, I think his tires were slashed
487
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
or somebody busted his window
in his car in the lot.
488
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,440
Some, you know, really mature way
to handle the situation.
489
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,080
Peter came in and put us all
in the screening room
490
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,000
and just tore us a new one.
491
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,240
TROUSDALE: That was the fabled
triple-veiner that Peter had,
492
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,160
where, I mean, he was, like, levitating
and glowing, he was so mad.
493
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,560
GABRIEL: I think after that meeting,
we all kind of respected him.
494
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,080
What I love is he didn't say,
495
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,600
"Shut up.
If you don't like it, there's the gate."
496
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,720
He said,
"We're gonna make great films."
497
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,240
SCHNEIDER: And Jeffrey just laughed it off
and said, "Don't even worry about it."
498
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,760
And I think that cemented my relationship
with Jeffrey, in some weird way,
499
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,080
and also cemented my relationship
with the artists.
500
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,920
And as a bonus, the memo even ended up
as a category on Jeopardy!
501
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,480
TREBEK:
And finally, In Other Words.
502
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,000
In Other Words came about
as the result of a big foofaraw
503
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,000
that occurred at the Disney Studios
last year
504
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,240
when the employees staged
a minor revolt
505
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760
when they changed the title of
Basil of Baker Street
506
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,320
to The Great Mouse Detective.
507
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,920
In Other Words for 300.
508
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,600
TREBEK:
"The girl with the see-through shoes."
509
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,160
- Marjorie.
- Who is Cinderella?
510
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,480
TREBEK:
Who is Cinderella? Good.
511
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,240
The Great Mouse Detective was released
in 1986 to good reviews
512
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,800
and respectable box office.
513
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,160
But there was a new animation threat
in town.
514
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,560
Steven Spielberg.
515
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Steven loved the films of Walt Disney,
so he jumped into the game,
516
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,920
teaming up with none other
than Don Bluth,
517
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,960
the animator who kicked us
when we were down.
518
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,160
That year,
An American Tail quickly became
519
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,640
the highest-grossing
non-Disney animated feature ever,
520
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,240
beating out The Great Mouse Detective
by over $22 million.
521
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,320
ALLERS:
Oliver--
522
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,480
That's funny.
523
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,400
SCHNEIDER: When I first got there,
Oliver and Company was being made.
524
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,600
It had two directors.
525
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,000
CARTWRIGHT: This is Rick Rich.
- Hello.
526
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,480
CARTWRIGHT: This is George Scribner.
SCHNEIDER: I fired Rick Rich,
527
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,840
who was belligerent to me,
528
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,120
and kept George Scribner,
who sucked up to me.
529
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,040
It seemed like the right decision
at the time.
530
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,920
People who like you get ahead.
531
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,000
Peter brought his theatrical background
to the animation business.
532
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,160
He demanded that filmmakers pick
their own teams based on talent
533
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:37,680
and who they wanted to work with,
not on some form of institutional seniority.
534
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,360
If you didn't have a strong point of view,
you disappeared.
535
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
There was creative debate.
You had to defend your ideas.
536
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,680
It meant that more drawings went into
the trash than went up on the screen.
537
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,520
Throwaway drawings.
The drawings we just throw away
538
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,560
- that don't mean anything.
MAN: Tore it in half.
539
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,920
These are the ones
that we didn't even use.
540
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:05,280
Revisions. Every line a writer changed,
100 drawings go in the trash.
541
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,520
[SOFT POP MUSIC PLAYING]
542
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,480
SAWYER: And because the family name
is still the franchise,
543
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,080
the company still produces
a few of those Disney animated features,
544
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,800
even though they cost a fortune
to create.
545
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,440
The new one is an animated version
of Oliver Twist,
546
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,160
with Billy Joel and Bette Midler doing
the singing and barking and growling.
547
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,600
But the finished film may well require
a half-million frames,
548
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,720
each one drawn by an artist at a total cost
of more than $10 million,
549
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,800
more than it can make back
anytime soon.
550
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,120
Can you really afford
551
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,080
to do what you wanna do in animation
as much as you wanna do?
552
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,560
The answer is no,
but we're doing it anyway.
553
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,120
- We have to do it in this company.
- Have to?
554
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,240
We have to. That is our legacy.
555
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,080
WOMAN: The animation area,
the full-length animation,
556
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,920
you have made a promise
to do one film a year. Is that it?
557
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,600
- Well, Roy made it, so I'm--
- We jointly made that one.
558
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,200
Yeah, it's our intent
to make a new one every year.
559
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,760
Oliver will be the first in that group.
560
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,840
And Little Mermaid, the following year,
is on schedule
561
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,320
to be released a year from now.
And we think we can do it.
562
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,560
We're accumulating more and more
and better artists
563
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,960
and certainly more
and more experience as we go.
564
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,680
Helping to feed the coffers in a big way
was a machine called the VCR
565
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,360
that could actually play movies
from a cassette tape
566
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,240
in your own living room.
567
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,400
PAULEY:
The releasing of Pinocchio in video,
568
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,200
Disney was never gonna do that.
569
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,720
I thought that was carved in granite
570
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:47,320
that they would be held in storage for
seven years and then released carefully.
571
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,560
How was the decision made
to put them out in video?
572
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,480
I don't think there's been any more
careful decision than we have reached.
573
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,760
And we have reached it so far only
in respect to the one classic, Pinocchio.
574
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,240
It's out now this summer.
It's doing very well.
575
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,960
It's only after that that we'll slowly decide
what to do with the rest of it.
576
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,160
And after all, a video release this summer
hardly is gonna affect Pinocchio
577
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,080
when it's released theatrically
another seven years from now.
578
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,680
Pinocchio went out as a trial balloon
and made millions.
579
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,520
It was like a license to print money,
since there were no costs for the old titles.
580
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:23,320
But that immediately upped the ante
to get more titles into the pipeline.
581
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,000
So to find these new titles,
anybody, artists, secretaries, janitors,
582
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,840
could come in and pitch their ideas
in a gong show.
583
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,120
Some ideas, like Pocahontas,
584
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,920
were green-lit
from a single drawing and a title.
585
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Others, like Little Mermaid,
were gonged at first,
586
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,280
because it was too much like Splash,
but came back later.
587
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,560
And there were all sorts of projects
being green-lit.
588
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,880
A sequel idea called
Rescuers Down Under, set in Australia.
589
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,320
Prince And The Pauper,
starring Mickey Mouse.
590
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,800
And an old shelved project
591
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:54,200
that Walt Disney himself considered
back in the 1940s, Beauty and the Beast.
592
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,880
SAWYER: Not only does the ghost
of Walt Disney, the creative genius,
593
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,560
keep Eisner awake at night.
594
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400
When he first came to the company,
595
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,800
he discovered that executives routinely
made decisions by asking,
596
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,320
"What would Walt have done?"
597
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,880
ROY: To a certain extent, people,
somebody, would surely have said,
598
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,720
"Walt probably wouldn't
have done that."
599
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,240
We needed to break that cycle
600
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560
and we needed to get out
into the whole town.
601
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:20,200
The argument that says, "Some dead guy
is trying to run your operation."
602
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:21,760
You can't do that.
603
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,520
I don't think Disney
is like the constitution.
604
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,920
I don't think we have to preserve it
and put it in glass.
605
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,240
I think it's a growing--
And if it's not growing, it's gonna die.
606
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,600
Our name is a fantastic asset
607
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,760
and it represents a terrific man
who was very creative.
608
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,920
And I'd hate to be the person
who shot himself in the foot and ended it.
609
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,800
I don't wanna leave that legacy.
I'd like to keep it going.
610
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,320
But I'd like to add to it.
I'd like to have new things.
611
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:46,880
What do you worry about?
612
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,440
Shooting myself in the foot.
613
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,960
[JAPANESE POP MUSIC PLAYING]
614
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,880
MICHAEL: Disney's net profits tripled since
1983 and the stock price is up five-fold.
615
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Disney people are proud to call
themselves a Mickey Mouse operation.
616
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,480
According to most analysts,
the magic returned
617
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,160
with the appointment of Frank Wells
as president of the company
618
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,800
and Michael Eisner as chairman.
619
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,480
Under Eisner and Wells,
the new Touchstone Movie Division
620
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,360
became a production powerhouse,
621
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,320
turning out such hits as
Down and Out in Beverly Hills,
622
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,320
Ruthless People, The Color of Money,
623
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,200
and what amounts to a farm club
for feature filmmakers,
624
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,880
The Disney Sunday Movie.
625
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,880
1987 is off to a promising start
with the addition
626
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,360
of the Michael Jackson attraction,
Captain EO,
627
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,160
and the Disney/George Lucas
collaborative adventure, Star Tours.
628
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,200
The live-action movies, the parks,
the merchandise were all on fire,
629
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,640
but Animation,
630
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,520
well, we still seemed like a stepchild.
631
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,000
KEANE: And I gotta say, I was very
nervous about where we were heading,
632
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,120
where was the future of Disney going.
633
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:53,080
It seemed to be being driven
by a maniac at the wheel,
634
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,880
in terms of Jeffrey,
with his heavy foot on the accelerator,
635
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,040
driving full speed in a very crowded city.
636
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,320
- Action.
- Aaaggh!
637
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040
An old development project called
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
638
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640
shifted into hyper-drive when
Steven Spielberg became interested.
639
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,480
You know,
I have been influenced profoundly
640
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,240
by the films of Walt Disney,
641
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,520
especially the films from the '30s,
'40s and right through the '50s.
642
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:27,040
And I really feel that this is a movie
that we're making for Walt.
643
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Back to the Future director
Robert Zemeckis
644
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,680
was signed to direct Roger Rabbit.
645
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Bob and Steven made up
the creative team on the film,
646
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,560
while Jeffrey
watched the purse strings.
647
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,720
We always wanted the Disney technique,
the beautiful Disney animation,
648
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,200
the great Warner Bros.
characterization.
649
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,560
Yes?
650
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,200
ZEMECKIS:
And Tex Avery humor.
651
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,960
You know,
dynamite-down-your-pants type stuff.
652
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,880
And the rabbit's like--
Doesn't wanna go back in and Hoskins...
653
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,720
It was a trifecta of elements
654
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,800
that Bob knew he couldn't get
from the Disney Animation Department,
655
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,920
so he turned to animation veteran
Richard Williams
656
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,560
to animate the movie in London,
657
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,160
and Peter sent me to London
to ride herd on the animation.
658
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,280
It was a real stomach punch
for the guys back in Burbank,
659
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,560
but the truth was nobody really thought
much of Disney Animation back then.
660
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,480
The combination of Spielberg,
Zemeckis and Dick Williams
661
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,760
was like a talent magnet
662
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,800
and animators from all over the world
just flocked to the project.
663
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,040
So now there was a unit in Burbank
and one in London.
664
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,560
And Peter would travel back and forth
to rattle everybody's cage.
665
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,760
When he was in London,
666
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880
he'd say how great the guys in Burbank
were doing on The Little Mermaid.
667
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Then back in Burbank,
668
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,760
he'd brag about how great the guys on
Roger Rabbit were doing.
669
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,800
Nobody had attempted a movie
like this before,
670
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,200
and the budget just soared.
671
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,280
It got so heated that Jeffrey
summoned us all to New York
672
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,680
to tell us that we did not have
one more dime to spend on this movie.
673
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,440
No more money.
674
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,440
Then we all took limos, helicopters to
the airport to fly Concorde back to London.
675
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120
He spent all this money on a meeting
to tell us we had no money.
676
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,120
- Animation...
- It was a very Hollywood moment.
677
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,200
Back home, Jeffrey was getting beat up
by Michael about the costs.
678
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,360
EISNER: We just had to put
a financial box around all this creativity.
679
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,800
And without that, the end result
would have been complete chaos.
680
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,760
KATZENBERG:
It created a tremendous amount of friction
681
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,040
and difficulty between Michael and I,
682
00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:19,520
not because he didn't believe
in the movie. He did.
683
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Financially it just became so expensive.
684
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,160
And Michael,
who is fundamentally conservative,
685
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,800
just got very, very uncomfortable with it.
686
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Cut. Let's do it again.
687
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680
KATZENBERG:
And I was unable to control it.
688
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,840
Who Framed Roger Rabbit
is one of those home runs
689
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,640
that Hollywood hits
every once in a while.
690
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,560
It's a movie like 2001 or Close Encounters
or especially like E.T.
691
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:53,080
that's a technical breakthrough
and a lot of fun both at the same time.
692
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,440
Roger Rabbit made headlines
693
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,840
and won Oscars for technical innovation
and returned just millions to the studio.
694
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,400
The top talent on Roger
was shipped back to Burbank
695
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,440
and put to work on Oliver and Company
and Little Mermaid.
696
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,280
It was like an injection of fresh, young,
international talent
697
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,360
that would pay dividends
for years to come.
698
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,200
Six months later,
Oliver and Company opened
699
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,560
on the same day
as Spielberg's Land Before Time.
700
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,880
Come on. Let's eat him!
701
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,520
SCRIBNER: Well, by the end
of the three or four months,
702
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120
we'd made 55, 56, 54.
703
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,280
And we beat Land Before Time
and it was like--
704
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,880
I think a lot of people were like,
"Hey, there's something--
705
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,560
There's something here."
706
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,440
The chaos that Roy ushered in when
he hired Michael was starting to pay off
707
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,880
and suddenly everybody was happy
to be associated with Toontown.
708
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,080
INTERVIEWER: This is the first fairy tale
that Disney has done
709
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:53,000
MAN: Take two.
- in the last 30 years, three decades.
710
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,680
Why was Mermaid chosen?
711
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Well, I mean, it was chosen
because we all went to a lunch
712
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,880
about three or four years ago
and all of us--
713
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,880
It was sort of a development-type thing.
714
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,360
And we were supposed to come in
with our three ideas.
715
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,760
I don't know if you can use any of this,
but this is sort of more the truth than,
716
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,960
you know,
what we may wind up saying later.
717
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,000
And basically they wanted to draw
on different ideas.
718
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,440
And one of the ideas that Ron brought in
was The Little Mermaid.
719
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,280
He had-- That was one of his three.
720
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:24,720
Jeffrey's friend David Geffen
721
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,480
called him about a songwriting team,
Howard Ashman and Alan Menken,
722
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,920
that he'd worked with on the off-Broadway
hit Little Shop of Horrors.
723
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,120
Peter had worked with them
on the same show as company manager,
724
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,080
so he brought them in
to work on The Little Mermaid.
725
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:40,720
SCHNEIDER: Howard was just coming off
a terrible disappointment
726
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,720
when his musical Smile
crashed and burned on Broadway.
727
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,960
He came to Los Angeles
to start over again.
728
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,440
Howard wasn't exactly the first guy who
sprang to mind when you said Disney.
729
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,800
He was born into a Jewish family
in Baltimore,
730
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,120
where he grew up on-stage in the local
Children's Theater Association.
731
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,120
He was gay, edgy, and loved musicals,
especially Peter Pan.
732
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,760
When I was approached
with an opportunity
733
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,960
to work for Disney, period,
I leapt at the--
734
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,160
I said, "What about Animation?
What about working in that department?"
735
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,160
That was what
I really wanted to do here,
736
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
much, much more
than anything, really, in live-action.
737
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,480
Because I'm really
a musical-theater person
738
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:21,840
and I do see a very, very strong
connection between these two media.
739
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,240
We had this character
in the original treatment, the script.
740
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,200
It was a crab character
that was kind of-- Would be--
741
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Sort of look after the mermaid
742
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,480
and try to keep her out of trouble
and watch over her.
743
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:33,800
He was kind of a crusty, old,
744
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,960
- crotchety character
- The king's right-hand guy.
745
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,120
who worked for the king and was like
the conductor in the undersea world.
746
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,440
Howard said,
"Why not make him Jamaican?"
747
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,240
And our first reaction was, "Jamaican?"
748
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,680
I mean, it was like a total twist
on what we were thinking.
749
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,040
He rounds up all of these fish
and all of this stuff
750
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,560
to convince Ariel not to try
to become human.
751
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:58,520
And they more or less
put on a show for her
752
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,400
by playing all these instruments
and themselves.
753
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,560
Okay, we hear it start.
754
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,880
He starts establishing the rhythm.
755
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,800
The clams pick it up, and oysters,
and he's beating on lobsters, whatever.
756
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,200
It's all percussive
757
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,720
and it's all the undersea world
making the percussion.
758
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,880
[PERCUSSIVE MUSIC PLAYING
OVER SPEAKERS]
759
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,280
KATZENBERG:
There was electricity in the air.
760
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,160
I mean, there was real genius at work
and people knew it.
761
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,440
[SINGING]
762
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,600
Howard, in a salesmanship way, I think,
763
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,280
trying to treat it
sort of a little more off-the-cuff,
764
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,760
but I think he had written all the songs
five minutes after he got the treatment,
765
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,800
but said,
"Now, here, say you had a song,
766
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,520
say it was called 'Part of Your World.'
767
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,240
It could be anything,
but say it was called 'Part of Your World'."
768
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,360
And then he had a-- And Alan--
769
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,600
We were in Howard's apartment
in Greenwich Village and it was--
770
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,920
Alan came over
and played it on the piano.
771
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,800
And Howard sang it right there
and it sounded great.
772
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,720
[ASHMAN AND MENKEN SINGING
SOFT POP MUSIC]
773
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,040
So really try to work
with just the intensity.
774
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,080
It's like it's about all that emotion
and then not letting it all out.
775
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:34,280
- Not letting it out.
- Not letting it out, but having it here.
776
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,280
[SINGING]
777
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,840
That stuff. Really, it's--
778
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,480
- Am I still a little too loud?
- You're great.
779
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:43,960
- Better that time?
- You're great.
780
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,960
But you're right,
it gets a little bright here.
781
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:47,800
[SINGING]
782
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,320
The intensity is better than--
783
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,840
[SINGING LOUDLY]
784
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,160
- Is better than noise.
- Than Ethel Merman, right.
785
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,960
But you're not doing Ethel Merman.
It's inner intensity, though.
786
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000
ASHMAN:
In almost every musical ever written,
787
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,480
there's a place, it's usually
the third song of the evening.
788
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,000
Sometimes it's the second, sometimes
it's the fourth, but it's quite early.
789
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,560
And the leading lady usually
sits down on something,
790
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,920
sometimes it's a tree stump
in Brigadoon,
791
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,400
sometimes it's under the pillars
of Covent Garden in My Fair Lady,
792
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,560
or it's a trash can
in Little Shop of Horrors.
793
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:21,600
But the leading lady sits down
on something
794
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,160
and sings about what she wants in life
795
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,240
and the audience falls in love with her
796
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,360
and then roots for her to get it
for the rest of the night.
797
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,360
[SINGING]
798
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,520
KEANE: I heard "Part of Your World,"
Jodi Benson singing that,
799
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,360
and it just captivated me.
I thought, "I have to do that."
800
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,600
And I went and told those guys,
"I really wanna do Ariel."
801
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,640
And they said, "Whoa, I don't know.
802
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,360
This is supposed to be a pretty girl.
Can you do that?"
803
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,040
I said, "Look, I have to do Ariel.
804
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,040
I can feel it in my heart."
805
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,680
MUSKER:
We were previewing for schoolkids.
806
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,400
And so the kids--
807
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,560
During that screening, a lot of the movie
was in black and white.
808
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,400
Certainly "Part of Your World,"
a lot of it was in story sketches.
809
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,880
KATZENBERG:
And the movie comes up on its feet
810
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,480
and we get to "Part of Your World"
811
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,520
and it's just not connecting.
812
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,880
The audience is restless.
813
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,560
I came out of that and just said,
"Don't think this is working."
814
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,400
MUSKER: So Jeffrey was bound and
determined to cut "Part of Your World."
815
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,920
It was just like,
"Guys, face reality, you know.
816
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400
It's not working, it's not there.
We gotta do something."
817
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,600
And we pleaded our case.
He wouldn't listen to us.
818
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Howard pleaded his case.
819
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,480
KATZENBERG: Howard Ashman said,
"Over my dead body. I'll strangle you."
820
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,680
MUSKER: But finally Glen Keane
went to Jeffrey and said,
821
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,840
"Jeffrey, you cannot cut this.
822
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,760
You're crazy.
This is the heart of the movie.
823
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,240
It's her whole dream.
824
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,920
And to cut that will really gut our
emotional involvement with our heroine."
825
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,080
KATZENBERG: He persuaded me
that the issue wasn't the song,
826
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,600
but other things that were not firing up yet
in the sort of rhythm of the movie.
827
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,600
And ultimately he was right.
Not only did it stay in the movie,
828
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,800
but it's one of the more memorable
moments in the movie.
829
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,000
MICHAEL: The sparkle is coming back
to Sleeping Beauty's castle.
830
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Over the last five years,
the Disney Animation Department
831
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,960
has grown from a low of 150 artists
to its current level of nearly 550,
832
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,120
doing animation the old-fashioned way,
833
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,240
from character sketch, to pencil test,
to ink and paint, to the screen.
834
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,800
What The Little Mermaid represents,
I hope,
835
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,160
is kind of a renaissance period
for the artists themselves.
836
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,480
SCHNEIDER:
Jeffrey started discovering Animation
837
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,080
as a place where he could be artistic,
a powerhouse in the editing room,
838
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,280
and where he could be the frontman
to the press.
839
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,720
I think he realized something
very important to his future.
840
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,040
"I'm good at this. This is fun, it's mine
and it doesn't include Michael."
841
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,280
The press on Little Mermaid
was just spectacular.
842
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,360
And the box office, well,
was even better than Oliver and Company.
843
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,640
And there were loads of toys, books,
puzzles and lunch boxes
844
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,480
that just flew off the shelves.
845
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,840
Animation had a big hit on its hands.
846
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,880
SCHNEIDER:
Jeffrey and Michael started focusing on,
847
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,360
"Oh, if we have more titles,
it'll be better financially."
848
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,160
And I always fought for,
849
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,360
"Can you take some of those resources
and put them back into the business?"
850
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Which was where CAPS came from,
851
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,440
CAPS being the Computer Animation
Postproduction System.
852
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,600
One of the technology guys, Lem Davis,
thought we could use computers
853
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,560
to paint the characters in our films
and digitally assemble all the artwork.
854
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:26,000
That gives us not only the opportunity
to do some really good art,
855
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,040
but it also gives us the opportunity
to really begin to explore
856
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,400
what these computers
and graphics things can do for us
857
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,360
in kind of shorter pieces
where we can get really a little crazy.
858
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,200
And I'm looking forward to all of us
getting a little crazy.
859
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,680
Roy went to Frank Wells with a proposal
to spend $10 million
860
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,280
on a computer system
that might not return a dime,
861
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,800
but would revolutionize the look
of our films.
862
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,200
ROY: So I just walked down the hall
and stood there in Frank's doorway.
863
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,400
Frank looks up and says,
"What are you doing here?"
864
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,320
And I said, "I'm just here to make sure
you sign that check, Frank."
865
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,560
Frank's check was handed
to Alvy Ray Smith,
866
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,600
the co-founder
of a small computer-graphics firm
867
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,480
that experimented
with character animation
868
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,320
and made Listerine commercials
on the side to make ends meet.
869
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,840
It was called Pixar.
870
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,240
The CAPS computer was thrown
into production on Rescuers Down Under.
871
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,760
It was unchartered territory.
872
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,320
The crew from Disney and Pixar worked
around the clock, sleeping on pallets,
873
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,080
nursing those computers
with duct tape and chewing gum,
874
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,840
and the deadlines and quotas
never stopped.
875
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,920
No, you don't want to hear my thoughts.
You don't want to hear my thoughts.
876
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,160
SCHUMACHER: What I remember most
of that period was feeling so brokenhearted
877
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,760
that we had attempted to make
a feature film using the CAPS system
878
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,680
before anyone
had even made a short with it.
879
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:42,760
We had never tested the system
before we committed
880
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,720
to a release date to make a movie.
881
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,360
KIMBALL:
And it's 3:00 in the morning.
882
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,600
Peter Schneider walks in
and looks over at me and goes,
883
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,680
"Well, is it working yet?
Is it working yet?" Ha-ha-ha.
884
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,680
And it's like,
"Oh, I don't need this pressure."
885
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:57,600
GABRIEL: My first film,
Rescuers Down Under, came out.
886
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,600
Phone rings at like 8 in the morning.
"Mike?" "Yeah." "Jeffrey."
887
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:03,680
"Yeah. So, what's going on?
What's the numbers?"
888
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,280
He said, "Made 5 million. It's over."
889
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,760
"Well, excuse me, what?"
890
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,520
"It's over. Forget it. Move on."
891
00:45:09,720 --> 00:45:11,640
SCHUMACHER:
Jeffrey pulled all the TV advertising.
892
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,640
And I said, "Jeffrey,
I just can't believe that. You've pulled it?
893
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,400
There's no advertising, nothing?"
894
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,000
And he said, "Tom,
the movie just doesn't work. It's over."
895
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,960
And I started to cry on the telephone.
896
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,920
And then he said, "It's okay.
897
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,960
We're gonna move forward
and we'll do something else.
898
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,280
Are you okay?"
899
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,760
I said, "I'm all right." He goes,
"Okay, we'll start again tomorrow."
900
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:37,160
And then he hung up the phone.
901
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,000
Rescuers was the very first digital movie
produced in Hollywood.
902
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,800
And without it we would never
have achieved what would come later.
903
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,000
[BIRD CRIES]
904
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Beauty and the Beast was up next
905
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,160
and the budget and schedule
were cut way, way back.
906
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,600
SCHNEIDER: We asked Richard Williams
to direct the film, but Williams declined
907
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,160
and recommended one of his protégés,
Richard Purdum, to direct instead.
908
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,160
Purdum was a very successful
commercial director based in the U.K.
909
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,000
MAN: Yeah.
KEANE: And then the horse rises up
910
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,520
- right underneath him.
- Yeah.
911
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,320
KEANE: Now he's riding on the rear end
of the horse,
912
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,880
hanging on to the horse's tail,
913
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,600
and one of the wolves grabs up
right onto the tail, yanks the horse,
914
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,720
and the horse rears up
and throws the guy off
915
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,120
and the guy lands on the back
of the wolf, riding on the wolf.
916
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,480
It was my first job as producer
and I wanted to get everything just right.
917
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,520
So I recruited a commando story team
of Disney artists
918
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:33,880
and we moved to London to set to work
on a non-musical version of the story.
919
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,040
After about six months,
we took the first 20 minutes of the film
920
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,480
to screen for Jeffrey.
921
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,800
WOMAN [ON FILM]:
Has my niece given you an answer?
922
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,120
MAN: Um, not yet.
I think she's playing the coquette with me.
923
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,720
WOMAN:
Forgive her.
924
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,280
HAHN: It wasn't perfect, but what was
the worst that could happen?
925
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,720
They weren't gonna scrap it and start
over again. That would be just insane.
926
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,120
It didn't work at all for us,
so we literally scrapped it,
927
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,920
the first 20 minutes of the movie,
and started all over again.
928
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,960
SCHNEIDER: Richard Purdum worked for a
few more months on Beauty and the Beast,
929
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,600
and when it became clear that we would
never make his version of the movie,
930
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:07,920
he resigned.
931
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,400
I recruited two young story artists
to be the acting directors
932
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,440
and moved the entire project back
to the warehouses in Burbank.
933
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,640
The spotlight kind of turned
on me and Gary,
934
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,240
which struck us as incredibly odd,
because--
935
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,240
The spotlight turned on us
like when you turn on the kitchen light
936
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,840
and the roaches are on the floor.
We were like, "What?"
937
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,560
[BOTH LAUGHING]
938
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:28,720
We didn't get away in time
and they caught us.
939
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,440
So we were made kind of the acting
directors of Beauty and the Beast,
940
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,480
- which meant--
- We had to act like directors.
941
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,000
Meanwhile, back in California,
Jeffrey threw his annual beach party.
942
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,760
SCHNEIDER: And there was Tom Cruise
and Bette Midler and Robin Williams,
943
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,520
all on the beach at Jeffrey's house.
944
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,480
And I remember being there
with Howard Ashman,
945
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,560
because after Little Mermaid,
Howard asked to go work
946
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,480
on this other thing he was desperate to do
for Disney called Aladdin,
947
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,440
at exactly the same time
Beauty and the Beast
948
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,200
was sort of falling apart in London.
949
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,120
Jeffrey buttonholed Howard,
as only he can,
950
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,120
and convinced Howard to write the songs
for Beauty and the Beast
951
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,880
even though Howard
didn't really want to.
952
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,440
WISE: Well, we got a phone call
from our boss.
953
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:11,800
"We want you to meet with Howard
and Alan and the whole creative team
954
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,960
and Beauty and the Beast is gonna
become a musical." We couldn't believe it.
955
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,680
So we ended up setting up shop
at the Residence Inn, upstate New York,
956
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,200
in Howard's neck of the woods.
957
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,040
And we started hashing stuff out
and throwing around ideas.
958
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,360
Initially it was very, very collegial.
It was very upbeat.
959
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:28,640
We were having a lot of fun.
960
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,720
But one of the things
that was a sticking point,
961
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,040
something that we didn't agree on,
was how to open the movie.
962
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,160
And Howard felt very passionately
963
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,680
that the movie should open
with a fully animated prologue
964
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:43,160
that showed the Beast in his prince form,
except he would be a little boy.
965
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,520
He'd be a naughty little boy.
966
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,000
And to Gary and I, we could not get past
this Eddie Munster image,
967
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:55,320
you know, of this hairy little kid
in Little Lord Fauntleroy pants.
968
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,240
To Howard, it seemed
incredibly moving and tragic.
969
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,960
TROUSDALE:
He was also very opinionated
970
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,840
and very articulate
and very intimidating.
971
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,160
And so we were scared of him.
It's like, "Okay, we gotta do this."
972
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,720
WISE: And so, you know, like the stupid,
naive, 26-year-old kid that I was,
973
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:14,640
I opened the meeting with,
974
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,040
"We think that the little Beast boy
is kind of a cheap shot."
975
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,080
And I think the word "cheap"
really set Howard off.
976
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:26,960
TROUSDALE:
And his mouth was a very tight line
977
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,720
and his eyes were getting
kind of bigger.
978
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,320
WISE:
I just saw the clouds darken.
979
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,440
I just saw his face darken.
980
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,640
And he just ripped into us
like I've never been ripped into before.
981
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,480
And no one leapt to my defense,
may I just add.
982
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:43,680
[WISE LAUGHS]
983
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,720
Thank you very much.
984
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:47,960
And the Oscar goes to:
985
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,080
[MOORE PANTING]
986
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,560
Alan Menken, Howard Ashman
987
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,240
for "Under the Sea"
from The Little Mermaid.
988
00:49:55,400 --> 00:50:00,160
MENKEN: Oscar night, we won at least
three Oscars between the two of us.
989
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,440
He said, "When we get back
to New York, we really have to talk."
990
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,320
And so that was, what, a Monday night.
991
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,080
I think he was back
by Thursday morning.
992
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,200
I came in and he just told me.
993
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,120
I said, you know, "What is it?"
And he said, "Well, I guess you know."
994
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,440
I didn't, or I didn't let myself.
He said, "I guess you know.
995
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,200
I'm HIV-positive."
996
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,440
I think, or he maybe said,
"I'm sick," or something.
997
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,680
And I-- It was not what I wanted to hear.
998
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,760
[MENKEN SINGING INDISTINCTLY]
999
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,480
It seems like something falls out
a little bit there.
1000
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:36,960
FRIEDMAN:
On, "sing you off to sleep"?
1001
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:38,800
- Or should I have been up on that?
MENKEN: Yes.
1002
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,160
[FRIEDMAN SINGING]
1003
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:41,520
MENKEN:
You're very strong.
1004
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,760
[BOTH SINGING]
1005
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Something needs to take off there--
1006
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,640
Well, I know David had felt
that it had to build back in.
1007
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,400
I mean, I remember you saying that.
1008
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:54,520
That you didn't feel
you should jump right into tempo.
1009
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,840
TROOB: Right.
- Do you want it to get faster sooner?
1010
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,040
- You're asking--
- No.
1011
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,360
- He's building into it.
- This is not a tempo question.
1012
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,600
[FRIEDMAN SINGING]
1013
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:02,840
- David--
- I know.
1014
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,720
- The melody, it's neat. It's really pretty.
- Oh, good, good.
1015
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,680
So you don't have to scream
to get over it.
1016
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,400
Well, we're separate tracks, aren't we?
1017
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,920
True. I just if wonder
what you're hearing in your cans--
1018
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,720
Yeah, I'll play it up and play it down.
1019
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:18,800
- We'll see which is better.
- Great. Great.
1020
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,640
And similarly we should get at least one
on this build section.
1021
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,240
[SINGING]
1022
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,280
ROY: He was an amazing influence
on everybody.
1023
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,160
And I don't want to compare him
to Walt,
1024
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,920
but on the other hand,
he had that kind of influence on everybody.
1025
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,080
Before Beauty and the Beast was finished,
we threw a big dog-and-pony show
1026
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,760
for the New York press where
we showed some clips from the film
1027
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,640
and Alan sang some of the songs.
1028
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,560
KATZENBERG:
I don't think we could have ever imagined
1029
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:54,640
a more enraptured reception
to the movie and the songs.
1030
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,480
And we all were very excited about
the idea of sharing this with Howard.
1031
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,800
We wanted him to hear the news.
1032
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,400
SCHNEIDER: And then we all jumped
in a cab and we raced downtown
1033
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,160
to St. Vincent's.
1034
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,080
We rushed from the press presentation,
1035
00:52:09,240 --> 00:52:12,720
which, as rough as it was,
was a huge success.
1036
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,480
We were high from it
and we came into the cold shock
1037
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,480
of Howard dying in a hospital room.
1038
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,240
His mother pulled back the sheets
to show us
1039
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,320
the Beauty and the Beast sweatshirt
that he was wearing.
1040
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:30,600
He was 80 pounds, had lost his sight
and barely had a whisper of a voice.
1041
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,480
We shared with him what happened
that day and how amazing it was.
1042
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,240
And how he was there in every way.
1043
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,560
Then, when it was time to leave,
we said our goodbyes.
1044
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,960
Before I left, I bent over and whispered,
1045
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:46,760
Beauty and the Beast
was gonna be a great success.
1046
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,080
"Who'd have thought it?" I said.
1047
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,080
And Howard lit up
and whispered, "I would have."
1048
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,200
[BELLE SOBBING]
1049
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,960
COOK: Gary Kalkin, who was running
Publicity at the time, had a brilliant idea,
1050
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:32,360
a scary idea, a dangerous idea
that perhaps an unfinished
1051
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,560
work-in-progress screening
of Beauty and the Beast
1052
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,440
could be a part
of the New York Film Festival.
1053
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,760
So we actually screened
an unfinished version of the film
1054
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,680
and I think we were all
on pins and needles.
1055
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,440
We all were sitting there
holding our breath,
1056
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,160
because we didn't know
what kind of reaction there would be.
1057
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,480
And there was almost--
When the movie ended,
1058
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,320
it was almost a pause
where you went, "1001, 1002,"
1059
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:04,560
and then all of a sudden
the place just erupted.
1060
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:18,480
WISE: I remember just being absolutely
slack-jawed, stunned, knocked over,
1061
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,840
goggle-eyed with astonishment.
1062
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,520
They applauded like they were
at a live Broadway show.
1063
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,640
And I had never seen anything like that
in my life.
1064
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,040
It was an emotional roller coaster
back home.
1065
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,680
Beauty and the Beast
had thousands of drawings left to go.
1066
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,040
Aladdin was grinding
through intense story changes
1067
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,840
that left three of Howard's songs
on the cutting-room floor.
1068
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,040
And Tim Rice was brought in
to finish up the lyrics on the new songs.
1069
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,080
The work was intense,
the hours were long
1070
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,800
and there was only one thing
that could stop it all: margaritas.
1071
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,920
[PLAYING FLAMENCO MUSIC]
1072
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,480
[SINGING IN SPANISH]
1073
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,320
I tried very much to put myself
into this character.
1074
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,680
It was a way for everybody
to decompress
1075
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,280
after the long hours
and hideous meetings with Jeffrey.
1076
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,440
By this time, we spent more time
with each other than with our families.
1077
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,440
I mean, this was our family.
1078
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,800
So we'd take a long break,
have some chips and salsa,
1079
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,240
and with a little cheerleading from Peter,
we'd get back on the horse.
1080
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,360
It's great.
This crew is the best crew. It's fabulous.
1081
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:27,800
- Not very sincere, was it?
WOMAN: No.
1082
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,440
HAHN:
Credit was always an issue,
1083
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,680
and it seemed that everyone
was either taking credit
1084
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,760
or not getting credit or not giving credit.
1085
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,520
And the people who really deserved
the credit were being overlooked.
1086
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,320
MAN:
And, action.
1087
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,800
Hi, I'm Jeffrey Katzenberg,
chairman of the Walt Disney Studios.
1088
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960
At Disney, when we set out
to make an animated feature,
1089
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,160
the first thing we look for
is a very special story
1090
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,120
and unforgettable characters.
1091
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,640
And that's just
what Beauty and the Beast is,
1092
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,840
a great story
with unforgettable characters.
1093
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,040
MAN:
Cut.
1094
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,640
EISNER: I didn't care about credit.
I didn't care about any of that.
1095
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,480
I had plenty of my own adulation
from places I didn't even want it.
1096
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,320
The more Jeffrey promoted himself,
1097
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:45,160
as long as he promoted himself
around an animated movie, I let it happen.
1098
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:46,400
Roy went nuts.
1099
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,280
Hello, my name is Roy Disney
1100
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,320
and it's my pleasure
to introduce the home-video debut
1101
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:56,160
of one of the greatest triumphs
of my uncle Walt's filmmaking career:
1102
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,400
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
1103
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,840
SCHNEIDER: There's always been
that question, ever since Walt died:
1104
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,680
Who's the next Walt Disney?
1105
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,680
The media demands a central
charismatic figure.
1106
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,400
And we demand it to sell our product.
1107
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,320
Hello, I'm Michael Eisner,
chairman of The Walt Disney Company.
1108
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,760
All of us here at Disney
hope you enjoyed the tour
1109
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,200
and that it gave you new insight
1110
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760
into the magic of motion-picture
and television production.
1111
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,720
We hope you come back
and see us real soon.
1112
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,440
Whoa, whoa, what is now going on
in the studio?
1113
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,520
KATZENBERG: Frank, of all of us,
was the most selfless,
1114
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,040
and so he was able
to navigate a course
1115
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,960
between strong
and growing personalities and egos.
1116
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:42,080
And I always found Frank
the peacemaker, you know,
1117
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,200
that he was like a marriage counselor.
1118
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,200
ROY:
He was very much of a mediator.
1119
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,560
SCHNEIDER: He was the person
you ran to when you had problems.
1120
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,200
EISNER: Interesting thing about Frank,
he carried in his wallet
1121
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,280
a piece of paper that said,
"Humility is the ultimate virtue."
1122
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,920
You get it from the top
and you get it from the bottom
1123
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,600
and are often left floating
somewhere in the middle
1124
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,760
trying to establish a sense of direction
and purpose.
1125
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:08,560
It was a delicate balancing act
that began to wobble
1126
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,520
on the night of
the Beauty and the Beast premiere.
1127
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,400
But I am delighted to be the first,
1128
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,440
SCHNEIDER:
At the cast-and-crew screening,
1129
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,600
there's tradition of everybody
getting up and speaking
1130
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,440
and saying how great everything is.
1131
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,520
SCHNEIDER: Until that night, I don't think
I was aware to the extent of the animosity
1132
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,640
between Michael, Roy and Jeffrey.
1133
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:22,600
ROY: Yeah, and I was sitting right
in the very first row in the corner seat,
1134
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,520
looking up at him, saying,
"Announce it, Michael."
1135
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:28,000
SCHNEIDER:
And Michael stood up and said,
1136
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,560
"As part of the reward
of this extraordinary growth,
1137
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:33,520
the amazing things you've all done,
1138
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,840
Frank and I have agreed to build a new
Animation Building on the Disney lot."
1139
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,320
It was the first time Jeffrey
had ever heard that.
1140
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,920
KATZENBERG: In the moment,
I was enraged by it, because I felt,
1141
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,120
"Wow, what are these guys
doing here?"
1142
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,840
It was inappropriate.
1143
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,200
And the subtext to that
was much, much deeper
1144
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,680
than just the faux pas
of announcing a building,
1145
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,240
you know, without having ever
even discussed it with me.
1146
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,680
And it just showed
very deep-seated unhappiness
1147
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,560
and competitiveness and ego.
1148
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,120
It was all about respect.
1149
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,120
That night, Jeffrey was looking
for the respect
1150
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,040
he thought he'd earned from
Roy and Michael,
1151
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:13,960
and it just wasn't there.
1152
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Lightning has struck twice with Disney's
Beauty and the Beast.
1153
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,360
I'm hard-pressed,
had to go to the thesaurus
1154
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,240
to find all the applicable adjectives:
1155
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,440
Enchanting, bewitching,
captivating, charming...
1156
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:25,800
Beauty and the Beast
opened to huge box office
1157
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,080
and probably the most glowing reviews of
any animated feature since Snow White.
1158
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,400
I've seen Beauty and the Beast twice
with my children.
1159
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,680
I'm going to be back for more very soon.
It's a winner.
1160
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,880
I was amazed
how much I enjoyed this movie.
1161
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,640
I had heard reports that it played
at the New York Film Festival
1162
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,000
- to a standing ovation
- Right.
1163
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,160
- and I questioned those reports.
- I did too.
1164
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,720
I said, "I can't see
the New York Film Festival standing up
1165
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,560
- and applauding anything."
- Yeah.
1166
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,080
Then I saw this movie and I heard it
interrupted by applause again.
1167
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:53,400
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]
1168
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:54,880
And the winner is:
1169
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,080
Before the Oscar nominations
came the Golden Globes.
1170
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,120
Beauty and the Beast,
1171
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,880
Walt Disney Pictures,
Buena Vista Pictures Distribution.
1172
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:06,440
When they announced our name,
1173
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,840
I was sitting at what had to have been
the furthest table from the stage,
1174
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,400
back with the busboys
and the valet-parking guys.
1175
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:16,440
But this was a validation from Hollywood
that we'd never really seen before.
1176
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,240
And maybe, just maybe,
1177
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:22,280
this meant that animation was no longer
at the kids' card table in the kitchen.
1178
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,440
We'd won the Bank of America award
for Jeffrey
1179
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,920
and now the Golden Globe
for the artists.
1180
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,160
The icing on the cake was yet to come.
1181
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:33,400
Oh, thank you very much.
1182
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,600
A lot of animators just tossed their
hot dogs and popcorn in the air at home.
1183
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,360
So you've made some people
very, very happy.
1184
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,560
[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]
1185
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,840
- I'm pleased to announce
- Good.
1186
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,600
that the motion pictures selected
1187
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,960
as the Best Picture nominee
of 1991 are:
1188
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:51,280
Beauty and the Beast,
1189
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:52,600
[AUDIENCE CHEERING]
1190
01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,280
Don Hahn, producer.
1191
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,960
Beauty and the Beast got six nominations,
including a nomination for Best Picture.
1192
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:03,000
Now that really sets a record here,
because in the history of Disney,
1193
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,240
Disney has only
had Best Picture nominees twice,
1194
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,120
once for Mary Poppins
and once for the Dead Poets Society.
1195
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,720
So that was a great honor for
Beauty and the Beast.
1196
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,920
COOK: When we first heard
that Beauty was nominated,
1197
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,000
it was like an electrical charge
that went through the entire studio.
1198
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,200
WISE:
I just came unglued.
1199
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:21,200
I did a dance around the house
in my underwear.
1200
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,160
And my phone just rang
for the rest of the day.
1201
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,800
Congratulatory messages
and telegrams
1202
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,720
and boxes of candy
were showing up at my door.
1203
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,160
It was nuts.
1204
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,560
I was queen for a day.
1205
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,920
We came to the Oscars in
our rented tuxedos and fancy ball gowns
1206
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,560
and all I could think of was,
"How did we get here?"
1207
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,720
And the Oscar goes to:
1208
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:43,720
[DRUMROLL PLAYING]
1209
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:46,360
The Silence of the Lambs.
1210
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:51,640
Well, we didn't win that night,
but, boy, did we get invited to the ball.
1211
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,800
The next day, it was back to work.
1212
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:56,960
- Hi there.
LASSETER: Hi, Ron.
1213
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,360
CARTWRIGHT:
This is Ron Clements, once more.
1214
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,320
He moved out of his tiny little room.
1215
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,600
- What are you working on right now?
LASSETER: Aladdin.
1216
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,320
These are sketches from Aladdin,
another Academy Award winner.
1217
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,640
Who knows, you know?
You'll know better a few years from now.
1218
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,040
KEANE:
By the time Aladdin came,
1219
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:18,880
the animation marathon was really
beginning to tell on the physical strength,
1220
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,080
I mean, just in terms of endurance.
1221
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:24,880
Now there was this,
"Okay, how are you in the long run?
1222
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,560
Can you keep going?"
1223
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,520
Many of the artists had physical problems
with their carpel tunnel syndrome.
1224
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,440
And I remember on one day,
it was the Day of Atonement.
1225
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:39,240
Jeffrey came to the studio
and asked everybody to sit down with him
1226
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,120
and just tell him what it was like
to work with him.
1227
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:43,960
And he said, "Just be honest with me."
1228
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,640
People started to share what working
at Disney Animation was really like.
1229
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:50,200
Some people couldn't have a family,
1230
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:55,440
because they really had no way of being
able to raise kids in this kind of pressure.
1231
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,680
For me, holding a coffee cup,
my hand would shake,
1232
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,520
was just shaking so badly,
1233
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,600
because I'd been animating
the whole night before.
1234
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,560
It was the only time that I had seen Jeffrey
with a tear in his eyes
1235
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:13,120
from just being moved
by what he was pushing the artists to do.
1236
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,640
And he said, "This is not right.
You have to have a life."
1237
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,440
Nothing changed. In fact, it got busier.
1238
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,640
And it would have been easy to blame
Jeffrey or Michael for pushing hard,
1239
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,120
because they were, but, you know,
1240
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,600
the truth is that the artists were pushing
just as hard.
1241
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,800
The rewards were pouring in,
so we all kept trying to top ourselves.
1242
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:32,560
Suddenly, there were bonuses
1243
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,000
and the parking lot was just full
of BMWs and Porsches.
1244
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:37,360
We were getting a new building
1245
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,720
and people were getting lawyers
and agents and appearing on talk shows.
1246
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,280
You always look into somebody's eyes
1247
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,200
and if you're going to make
a mistake in the drawing,
1248
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,120
- don't let it be in the eyes.
GIBSON: Right.
1249
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:48,480
KEENE:
That's where everybody's reading it.
1250
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,320
DURAN: It's interesting, because
that was also, personally as an artist,
1251
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:53,640
when our salaries went up.
1252
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,960
When everybody became rock stars.
1253
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,480
When it looked like you couldn't stop it.
1254
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,800
Even with the sacrifice, the cold dinners,
the nights away from family,
1255
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,560
we were living the dream.
1256
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,240
- Raises. More money.
- Cut that.
1257
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:10,320
Disney became the place to be
for animation.
1258
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,440
Alumni like Tim Burton and Henry Selick
returned to the studio
1259
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,600
to make a stop-motion movie,
The Nightmare Before Christmas.
1260
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,240
And Peter tried to hire John Lasseter
away from Pixar,
1261
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,040
but John insisted on staying
with the struggling start-up company.
1262
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:25,520
So Peter struck a deal with John
1263
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,640
to direct a computer-animated
co-production with Disney,
1264
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:32,160
the first of its kind,
a buddy picture called Toy Story.
1265
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:34,960
There was already a satellite studio
in Florida
1266
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,440
and now production started
on A Goofy Movie
1267
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,360
at another studio in Paris.
1268
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,440
Rehearsals began on the new Broadway
production of Beauty and the Beast.
1269
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,680
Five years earlier, the care and focus
was on one picture at a time,
1270
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,200
and now there were five movies
and a Broadway show
1271
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,720
in very active production.
1272
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,280
Everybody was spread too thin.
1273
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:57,720
I don't care what I am. I'm free!
1274
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,200
Offer void where prohibited by law.
Ha-ha-ha!
1275
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,160
Master, I don't think you quite realize
what you got here.
1276
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,880
Aladdin opened on
Thanksgiving weekend, 1992.
1277
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,720
It was the first animated feature
to gross over $200 million.
1278
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,960
SCHNEIDER: These movies
became the heart and soul,
1279
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:15,640
once again,
of The Walt Disney Company.
1280
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,920
The entire company rallied around them,
sold merchandising,
1281
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,880
put them on TV,
made specials about them,
1282
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,360
became characters in the park,
became rides in the park.
1283
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,840
It was an extraordinarily heady
period of time.
1284
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,000
We could do no wrong.
Everything we touched turned to gold.
1285
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,600
Every movie was bigger
than the last movie.
1286
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,400
MUSKER:
And it was great just to see people--
1287
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:37,800
The stigma of animation
being just a kids' medium
1288
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:40,680
kind of get peeled away
by these various films.
1289
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:42,640
[SINGING]
1290
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:56,280
[SINGING]
1291
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,360
HAHN: While we celebrated
the success of Aladdin,
1292
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,840
the next movie
was bearing down on us.
1293
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,200
It was a coming-of-age story
that everyone called Bambi in Africa.
1294
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,760
MINKOFF: I remember having
seen a documentary called
1295
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,880
The Eternal Enemies:
Lions and Hyenas.
1296
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,240
I mean, it was so incredibly powerful
and dramatic and intense.
1297
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,240
And I thought,
"Wow, if this movie could capture,
1298
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,320
you know, a tenth of the power of
this documentary, then it would be terrific.
1299
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,120
[GROWLING]
1300
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,240
FOWLER: He's just saying hello.
He's saying hello to you, by the way.
1301
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:27,480
[ANIMATORS LAUGHING]
1302
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,560
You notice that they are
very contact-oriented.
1303
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:34,320
He just walked under
this man's leg just then.
1304
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:37,520
WOMAN: And in this case, the yellow
caution tape really does mean caution.
1305
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,480
MINKOFF: We'd been working on it
for a couple of months,
1306
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:41,680
and then Jeffrey calls
a breakfast meeting.
1307
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,680
And in the meeting, we have the whole
crew from Pocahontas and Lion King.
1308
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:47,840
And Jeffrey says,
"Pocahontas is a home run.
1309
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:52,200
It's West Side Story, it's Romeo and Juliet
with American Indians.
1310
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,920
It's a hit.
It's got hit written all over it.
1311
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,160
Lion King, on the other hand,
is kind of an experiment.
1312
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,880
We don't really know if anybody's
gonna really wanna see it."
1313
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,160
And after that meeting, absolutely no one
wanted to work on Lion King.
1314
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,320
SCHUMACHER: No one had any faith
in that movie, which is, actually--
1315
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,840
If there's a lesson in The Lion King,
it's "nobody knows nothing."
1316
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,560
We start with Simba in a secluded glade.
He's kind of contemplating life,
1317
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,840
when he looks up and sees the stars
and is reminded...
1318
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:25,440
KATZENBERG: The kernel of that idea is
something that actually originated with me.
1319
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,920
It was really about that moment
in each of our lives
1320
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,400
in which we sort of have to grow up
and take responsibility.
1321
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,080
We have to take our place
in the circle of life.
1322
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:41,760
It's allegorically a young person born
with a future that's to be fulfilled,
1323
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:45,000
who has to go through a lot of difficulties
to get there,
1324
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:48,720
and most especially,
who has to learn to believe in himself
1325
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:53,960
before he can become
what he is fated to be.
1326
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,000
It became more and more
this Shakespearean tale
1327
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,240
about the responsibilities of leadership.
1328
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,720
And in a really strange way,
it seemed almost autobiographical,
1329
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:06,240
all about the brinksmanship that can arise
in this competitive male environment.
1330
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,040
SCHNEIDER: I came out of a story
meeting and ran right into Frank Wells.
1331
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,400
And he asked me,
"How are things going on The Lion King?"
1332
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,760
I said, "Great.
1333
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,640
We're making a movie
about ourselves."
1334
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,720
It's a Disney fantasy, your life.
1335
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,680
At the moment. I never thought
I would be a CEO of a company.
1336
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,240
I never thought I would run Disney.
1337
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,360
I'd like to freeze everything right now.
1338
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:29,240
I'd like to just freeze.
I'd like to stay my age. I like my age.
1339
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:33,520
I like my wife's age.
I like my children's age.
1340
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,640
I like the way Disney is going.
1341
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:38,080
This is your big night.
1342
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:39,760
[GIRL SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY]
1343
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:40,920
EISNER:
Yes, it is.
1344
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,200
I'd like to freeze my life right now.
1345
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,160
It was Easter Sunday, 1994.
1346
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,800
And a single event
in Nevada's Ruby Mountains
1347
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:56,120
would set in motion
an unimaginable chain of events.
1348
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,960
The helicopter had flown approximately
a mile down the canyon
1349
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:04,040
before it crashed into a rugged hillside
at approximately 7,200 feet.
1350
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,800
This is the only helicopter crash and
the first fatality in the company's history.
1351
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,040
[SIGHS]
1352
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:25,400
There are some griefs
that have to be shared.
1353
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,120
Likewise, there are some joys
so overwhelming
1354
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,760
that they should be shared as well.
1355
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,920
And while we all give Frank's death
and grieve it,
1356
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:40,040
we all share the joy
of having known Frank.
1357
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,400
That is why we are here today,
to remember--
1358
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,080
To remember and to celebrate,
1359
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:50,640
to pay tribute to one man
who had magic
1360
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:55,040
and to share the magic with him
through his whole creative life.
1361
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,400
The songs and music you have heard
and will hear today
1362
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:03,520
are not the songs of music
of sorrow or of death.
1363
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,040
They are the songs
that Frank Wells enjoyed--
1364
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:18,880
These are the songs
that Frank enjoyed during his life.
1365
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,840
I would now like to introduce the man
1366
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:26,760
who thought up Frank and me
for this job, Roy Disney.
1367
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,440
[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]
1368
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,360
That was it?
1369
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,920
[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]
1370
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,400
My speaker's off.
1371
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,760
This is a fantastic, wonderful,
unbelievable human being.
1372
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:49,440
Okay?
1373
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:51,680
[AUDIENCE LAUGHING]
1374
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,400
Okay.
1375
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:57,000
SCHNEIDER: Frank was the peacemaker
amongst all these tremendous egos.
1376
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,400
And when Frank died,
there was no one to talk to.
1377
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:03,000
KEANE:
Nobody knew what to say.
1378
01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:08,400
It was a very strange quietness
that overcame the studio,
1379
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:11,040
just wondering, "Now what?"
1380
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,080
And that is a little baby cub.
1381
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,200
And he is just the cutest thing.
1382
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,920
And this guy is gonna grow up
to be 750 pounds.
1383
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:24,600
[BOTH LAUGHING]
1384
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,360
Ever since Frank's death,
1385
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,760
Jeffrey was lobbying for Frank's job
as president of the company,
1386
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:32,640
but Roy wouldn't have anything
to do with it.
1387
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,920
He already felt uncomfortable with the
amount of press that Jeffrey was getting.
1388
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:37,760
KATZENBERG:
I was out front on these movies.
1389
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,480
I was selling the films.
1390
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:43,840
The more successful they were,
the more attention came to me,
1391
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,440
the more I was able
to get attention for the films.
1392
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,400
MAN: He's getting restless, so shoot away.
KATZENBERG: Yeah, okay.
1393
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,920
MAN: That's it.
KATZENBERG: There we go.
1394
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,280
Great, good. Pancho, good. Pancho.
1395
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,480
KATZENBERG:
At the time, I think many people felt,
1396
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,880
well, am I doing this for me
and my own career?
1397
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,720
I think Michael became very competitive
with me at some point in this.
1398
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:07,800
He was uncomfortable
with the amount of attention
1399
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,640
and recognition that I was getting for it.
1400
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,720
I think Roy
was extremely uptight about it.
1401
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,520
[BOTH SINGING]
1402
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:19,240
MINKOFF: Jeffrey was gonna come in with
a reporter from The Wall Street Journal
1403
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,040
and he was gonna follow us around
to show how the movie got made.
1404
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,880
And Jeffrey performed for the journalist
1405
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,040
and we created what looked like a slice
of how the movie actually got made.
1406
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:34,560
And in that article, Jeffrey was proclaimed
the guy who was saving Disney Animation.
1407
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:38,480
ROY: I think that was kind of a last-straw
kind of a thing for me.
1408
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,320
I was just incensed by that.
1409
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,560
TURNER: This is the vaunted Walt Disney
Company's animation machine in action:
1410
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,480
collaborative, confrontational,
extravagant, exacting,
1411
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:54,000
and under the meddlesome, protective
hand of Mr. Katzenberg, wildly successful.
1412
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,600
The studio that invented
the animated movie in the 1930s,
1413
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,440
but stumbled badly in the past decades,
is back with a vengeance.
1414
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,600
It has produced an unparalleled
string of blockbusters,
1415
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,280
from The Little Mermaid
to Beauty and the Beast to Aladdin.
1416
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:12,040
In fact, counting ancillary activities
like merchandising,
1417
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:15,200
video sales and theme-park attractions,
1418
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:18,920
Disney's animated movies
are simply the most successful products
1419
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,560
in the history
of the entertainment business.
1420
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,360
It was the president
of Walt Disney Studios
1421
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,040
versus the king of the jungle
in Las Vegas Sunday night.
1422
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,960
And luckily, Jeffrey Katzenberg
can live to laugh about it.
1423
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,360
KATZENBERG: You know,
the final moment that was literally--
1424
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:35,880
And I knew it, the day it happened.
1425
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:37,880
--the straw that
broke the camel's back is
1426
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,880
there was an article that
Rich Turner wrote
1427
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:45,080
in The Wall Street Journal
about Lion King.
1428
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:50,400
And it was so interesting,
because when I got up in the morning,
1429
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,640
I read the paper, you know,
very early in the morning
1430
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,400
and I remember saying to Marilyn
before I left for work, I said,
1431
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:58,360
"Well, this is over.
1432
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,160
This is the nail in my coffin."
1433
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,640
[AUDIENCE GASPING
AND LAUGHING]
1434
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:08,240
It is now 22 minutes before the hour.
I'm over 50 years old
1435
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:12,600
and every time Disney comes out with
a new animated movie, I rush off to see it.
1436
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,920
And all this week,
we're gonna be looking at the magic
1437
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,840
that has created
the new Disney animated feature.
1438
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,520
It is called The Lion King.
1439
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:21,280
So you all test this, these things.
1440
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,640
Tell me, give me a little--
Give me a taste.
1441
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,600
What is the test on The Lion King?
1442
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,000
First of all, we don't believe in research.
I never have.
1443
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:29,240
- Really?
- Never.
1444
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:33,440
That being said, it's the highest-tested film
we have ever had.
1445
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:34,880
I'm very proud to be part of it.
1446
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,680
And to be proud part of that great tradition
of Disney animated features.
1447
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:44,800
Hakuna matata, which of course,
in Swahili, means "500 million worldwide."
1448
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:48,240
Actually, hakuna matata,
in Swahili, does mean "no worries."
1449
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,760
And, boy, judging from the success
of The Lion King,
1450
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,600
it is safe to say that at this point,
Disney Studios, which made the movie,
1451
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:56,640
has hakuna matata.
1452
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,320
ANNOUNCER:
We're live from Los Angeles.
1453
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,800
REPORTER: And here coming up
on the red carpet is Matthew Broderick.
1454
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,600
About four years ago,
we all decided we were gonna make it,
1455
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,160
and so, you know,
you fall in love pretty soon after that.
1456
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:15,240
So four years ago, I would say,
"Well, yeah," but now, it's great.
1457
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,880
By the time The Lion King
premiered in Hollywood,
1458
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,800
the press had picked up
on the tensions
1459
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,760
and Jeffrey waved off all interviews
on the red carpet.
1460
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,400
KATZENBERG: I had lunch with Michael
and, you know, he said to me,
1461
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,080
"I'm not interested
in having you take this job.
1462
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,600
Even though I said I was
and promised you that you were,
1463
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,040
I've changed my mind."
1464
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:38,800
And I said to him, "Fine, I understand.
1465
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,680
But, you know, in changing your mind
and deciding to do it,
1466
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,720
you know, it really says to me
I have no future here."
1467
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,200
EISNER: Jeffrey was a very good
executive. He just played it wrong.
1468
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:51,440
Had he been happy to stay at the studio,
stay in his job,
1469
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,400
not push everybody against the wall
at a moment when somebody had died,
1470
01:16:55,560 --> 01:17:01,040
he would have gotten the job,
had he just had the patience to wait.
1471
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,000
HAHN: Whenever you're comfortable.
- You are rolling?
1472
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,120
HAHN: Yeah.
- Okay.
1473
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:18,560
With all the many varied businesses
this company is in, it is...
1474
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,800
The cast-and-crew premiere
was coming up fast.
1475
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,920
It was tradition for all of us
to get up on-stage
1476
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,880
and give warm thank-you speeches.
1477
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,560
But this time, I decided to film
all the speeches instead.
1478
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,440
--an unbelievable job
over the last decade,
1479
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,440
culminating in Lion King,
and pushing forward...
1480
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,720
Soon after,
Michael complained of chest pains
1481
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,080
and was rushed to the hospital
1482
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,600
where he underwent
quadruple bypass surgery.
1483
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:48,000
All right, I gotta just--
Mind on other things.
1484
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:55,240
Ten years after he ushered Frank
and Michael into the company,
1485
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,680
and with Animation
at the height of success,
1486
01:17:57,840 --> 01:17:59,760
the wheels were coming off the car.
1487
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,360
You're not rolling, I hope.
1488
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,760
MAN:
Anytime.
1489
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,720
Well, I just wanna personally say
thank you to everybody
1490
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,440
for another absolutely incredible job
on another marvelous movie
1491
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,320
on the way to the next great movie.
1492
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:24,160
Ten years ago,
when we arrived here at Disney
1493
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,800
and Roy took Michael and I in hand
1494
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:31,120
over to the second floor
of the Animation Building,
1495
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,760
and with Ron and John, walked us through
those initial storyboards
1496
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,520
for The Great Mouse Detective,
1497
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,200
there's not a chance in the world
1498
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:47,000
that with all the imagination
I could muster
1499
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:53,640
that I could envision ten years later
being here
1500
01:18:54,240 --> 01:19:01,240
and having the kinds of movies,
collaboration and pride
1501
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:07,520
that I feel having been a part
of this extraordinary team
1502
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,000
called Disney Feature Animation.
1503
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:17,840
For me, it is what makes coming
to work every day so special.
1504
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:23,480
And to all of you, I'm not sure
I can ever tell you how much it means
1505
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,440
and how much I love being part
of your family.
1506
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:32,400
And how proud I am to have been a part
of these movies with the best in the world.
1507
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:33,760
Thank you.
1508
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:37,400
After the opening of The Lion King,
he resigned.
1509
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,760
EISNER:
Go to any institution, any university,
1510
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:43,920
any hospital, any corporation,
1511
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,160
any home, any house. You know what?
1512
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,560
The human condition overshadows
bricks and mortar every time.
1513
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:54,560
And it's about fear and envy
and jealousy and comfort
1514
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,320
and love and hate
and accomplishment.
1515
01:19:57,520 --> 01:19:59,200
Every institution has it.
1516
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,160
Were we a bunch of artistic,
emotional people
1517
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:05,040
running around, screaming and crying
and ranting and raving?
1518
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:09,760
No, it was an organized group of people
working together, saying,
1519
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:11,760
"Let's put on a show."
1520
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,160
After all that drama, the late nights,
the cold pizza, the bruised egos
1521
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,160
and all those hours away from family,
1522
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,760
in the end, nobody will remember
who did what to who,
1523
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,800
but they will remember the characters
who leapt from a pencil onto the screen
1524
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:28,240
and into the hearts of the audience,
and that's how it should be.
1525
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:34,120
I just don't think anything is quite
as magical as a Disney cartoon fairy tale.
1526
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,000
There's just nothing like that.
1527
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:38,160
[SOFT POP MUSIC PLAYING]
1528
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:24,200
And now the grand finale.
1529
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,400
[UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYING]
1530
01:21:35,680 --> 01:21:37,200
- Hello, out there.
- Hi, how are you?
1531
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:38,960
- Hi.
- Hello.
1532
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,320
- Hello.
- Hi.
1533
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:42,520
Hi, and...
1534
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:44,160
Oh, hi.
1535
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:45,640
Hi.
1536
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,640
- Hi.
- Hello.
1537
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:49,320
- Hi.
WOMAN: Can you say hi?
1538
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,160
[IN BRITISH ACCENT]
Hello, this is simply not good enough.
1539
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,200
MAN: Linda, do you have enough air?
WOMAN: Yeah?
1540
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,560
- Try me.
- Just it feels great to be here.
1541
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:04,240
We were both riotously drunk
and we were thrown in jail.
1542
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:06,200
Game!
1543
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,800
Okay, Goofy,
let's see what you got. Oh!
1544
01:22:09,960 --> 01:22:11,960
[CREW LAUGHING]
1545
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,200
I knew something was up.
1546
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:18,720
[BOTH SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY]
1547
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:20,000
- Hello.
- Hi.
1548
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:21,680
- Hello.
- Hi, Mom.
1549
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:23,360
Hi.
1550
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:28,480
[GROANS]
1551
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:30,800
Let me out of here. Let me out.
1552
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:35,840
Hi. We're going 130 kilometers
per hour here
1553
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,080
through the French countryside
and I'm not wearing any pants.
1554
01:22:39,240 --> 01:22:40,560
[PEOPLE LAUGHING]
1555
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:42,040
Disney, number one.
1556
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,800
I love it here!
1557
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,120
- And I wanna...
MAN: All right.
1558
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,600
[PEOPLE LAUGHING]
1559
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,400
MAN: Okay, ready?
- Burgess Meredith first?
1560
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,240
[SPEAKING GIBBERISH]
1561
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,040
Come on, Aladdin.
1562
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,240
[SPEAKING GIBBERISH]
1563
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,480
I don't know what I'm saying.
Just go with me!
1564
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,400
I'm kind of a little self-conscious.
1565
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:28,800
[LAUGHS]
1566
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,480
It's about time it's coming out.
1567
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,480
See here.
1568
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:33,760
Oh, my breast.
1569
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,600
Roger has no weak spots.
1570
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,760
- I started in 1945.
- Yes, I called you the kiss-ass of cleanup.
1571
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,440
Oh, dear, I've said too much.
1572
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,200
I'm gonna ask you a question
before I continue.
1573
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:51,520
Am I allowed to mention
Jeffrey Katzenberg?
1574
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,320
Tell him just to put a sweater on.
1575
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,640
[SINGING]
1576
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,960
[BOTH SINGING]
1577
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,480
[CROWD APPLAUDING]
1578
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,520
[CROWD CHEERING]
1579
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,520
[CARTWRIGHT SINGING
TRADITIONAL POP MUSIC]
1580
01:25:11,960 --> 01:25:14,120
I'm stuck for the rest of it.
1581
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,440
[TRADITIONAL POP MUSIC PLAYING]
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