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Hello, I'll call you in a minute, sir,
but I'd like you to tell me...
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Hey, what's going on? Stick up.
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Get over there.
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Come on. Get up. Get to the front of the
store. Come on. Come on, lady. Move.
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Get up.
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Get over there. Come on.
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Put your money in the bag. Fast.
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There isn't that much in here.
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There's the rest of them. Hurry up. Come
on then. Eat. Where are you at?
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Take your time. Get it out of the
register.
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Give me that.
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Come on. Just look at it. Get it out of
the register. Put it in.
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Everything you got.
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Eat it. Get all the money. Take your
time.
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Come.
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Jack. Oh, no.
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No, just the one you came through.
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Sir? Don't anybody move.
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What about those windows, Jake?
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No, no, no.
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All right, look. We're all right as long
as we got them.
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These are children.
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You shut up. Look, everybody just shut
up and nobody will get hurt.
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Here, look. Tell them we got hostages.
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Go on. Come on. Kids.
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Kids. Little kids.
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Tell them we got that and then I'll back
them off.
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Come on. Go on.
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Hey, we got kids in here.
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You want to see them get hurt?
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Say, kids, while we wait, why don't we
just try scratching out the squares on
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our prize swords?
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Shall we do that?
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I'm at the point where I don't think I
can stand one more think piece about an
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emerging nation I never heard of.
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Sri Lanka. New problems for an old man.
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Well, life isn't all just breaking news.
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I know. I guess it's the idea of a page
-one story that begins...
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Every morning just before sunrise, Jim
Hong Soo drives his ox car to the
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Doesn't set my pulse racing. Mrs.
Pinchon likes those stories.
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And she can read them every day in her
Christian science monitor.
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Lou, there's a couple of gunmen holed up
at Mr. Giddy's restaurant in Newhall.
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They got a bunch of kids hostage.
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86, 3 Locker, put in Newhall.
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Who are we sending?
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Billy's on her way out there.
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Photog too? Animal.
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There'll be ten kids and two adults, a
mother and a restaurant employee.
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Anyone hurt?
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Not by us. We haven't fired a shot.
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Very volatile situation.
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Yes, I realize that.
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You people keep back there, will you
please? That's a police barricade.
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My son is in there, my little boy.
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Now, look, take it easy. As far as we
can tell, the kids haven't been harmed
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we're determined to keep it that way.
Now, behind the barricade, please.
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My name is Billy Newman. I'm with the
Tribune. May I ask your name? Vivian
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Hamlin. My little boy Ricky is at that
party.
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Who's in there?
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They don't know yet, Mrs. Hamlin. Why
are the police all waving rifles?
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Why doesn't somebody talk to them? They
are talking to them. Will you tell me
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who's at that party?
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Why don't they just give them what they
want? Maybe they don't know what they
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want yet. How old is Ricky?
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They've established telephone
communication with the guys in there,
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brought in a psychiatrist.
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Maybe I can get a message through to
Ricky.
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Ah, here comes TV. Now we have a decent
action. Hi, Billy. What's happening?
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Nothing yet.
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Nice to be special.
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Hey, you hang in there, Billy.
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We'll be going with what you called in
for the early edition, and we'll keep
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updating as you give us a word.
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I'll be careful.
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Hold on a second, Billy. What?
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Nothing. What'd you say?
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Nothing. I feel silly now. Forget it.
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Okay.
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Keep us posted, Billy. We'll be standing
by.
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And listen, you be careful, okay?
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Mrs. Goodstuck, the bully is sending
him, but why didn't she interview that
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father who offered to change places with
his kids?
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Where'd you get that?
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Peggy Day just interviewed him on
Channel 6.
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Well, why don't you turn the volume up
real loud, Charlie? We'll just copy it
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down.
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I merely mentioned it.
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Yeah,
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this is Angelo.
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Yeah?
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The kids?
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Listen, Loretta.
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These men are going to go real soon.
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We're going to be okay.
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Forget it, ma 'am.
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Just keep talking.
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She's got to have her insulin.
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If she doesn't have it, she'll go into a
coma.
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Angela, what's the problem? They want
the kids first.
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Go away, Jose.
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Hey, listen. You tell me to get rid of
the SWAT squad.
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To get us a car.
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To let us go. Then they get the kids.
Look, you get the car first and the kids
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won't get hurt.
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Look at her.
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Look at her. She's got to have her
insulin. She's got to have it now.
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Can't you see that? Will you shut up? I
can't hear.
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She'll die.
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Do you want that?
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My mother was sick! You have to have her
inside!
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All right, get her out of here! Lady,
just get her out of here!
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No, everybody else just stay where you
are! Get back! All right, you just go
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beat it! Go on, beat it!
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All right, just get back where you are!
Sit down!
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They've gone back to regular
programming, but they'll cut the live
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mean what happened on the TV? I mean at
the restaurant.
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Oh.
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Uh, they're giving him the car they
asked for, but it's not there yet.
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They get those kids sitting there all
night?
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Well, at least they won't starve.
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Oh, they're back to live.
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I got you a guy who works at the state
hospital. One of those two gunmen's an
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outpatient and in treatment for years.
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Tell them they didn't do such a terrific
job.
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City desk.
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Hey, Billy.
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How are you? Did you get any sleep?
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A little. A lot more than those kids
did, I'll bet.
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Everything's just sort of on hold here,
Lou.
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Some of these parents are made by
themselves.
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I can imagine.
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Uh, wait a minute, Billy.
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Why is the, uh, why is the SWAT team
leaving?
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You tell me. I didn't know they were.
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You seem to have a better seat than I
have.
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Marjorie Whitewood, back to you.
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Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on A &E.
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I think that's all of them. Better be.
The car by the door? It's right up there
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with the keys.
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Hey, kids, you're going out.
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One at a time when I tell you.
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Lou. Yeah.
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to be forgotten.
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All right, you, get out of here.
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I'll wiggle all the kids around.
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They're not all gone. We're keeping
these two. You take the last ones.
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Take me instead.
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I don't know.
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Not with those SWAT guys out there.
Look, you take these kids and we'll keep
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rest.
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And go out smiling.
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It's him.
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Why would they let the clown go if all
the children aren't out yet?
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The whole city's having breakfast and
watching this.
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You mean they're not sitting there glued
to their newspapers waiting for further
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development?
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TV wins this round. No cut this.
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They get to spend all time. Give me the
keys.
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I'll flag down the car.
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No.
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No.
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Come on.
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Damn.
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Damn. Keep the kids in the car.
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Now, here comes the car.
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Howdy, folks.
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I need a hand.
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Yeah, mister, we... I need your truck.
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Hey, don't use that, mister.
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You can take the truck. It's yours.
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You're welcome to it.
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Get the keys, Jake.
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Here you are, mister.
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Let the kids go.
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Let them go.
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Come on.
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Come on.
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Don't move.
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Mess
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with the
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tire. You guys almost pulled us off.
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It was set to blow 10 miles back.
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will continue in a moment here on A &E.
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Well kids, tell me, are you having a
good time?
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Yeah!
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This is Peggy Day reporting for Channel
6 News in Cowboy Town in New Hall,
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California.
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Thanks a lot, kids. You did a real good
job. Is that going to be the lead story
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at 6?
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Hostage kids eat popcorn.
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They've been pigging out on junk food
all day.
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In fact, that may be my lead story.
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Hostage kids grow up.
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Mrs. Hamlet.
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How are you?
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Billy Newman.
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Oh, nice to see you. Certainly nice to
see you.
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Excuse me. Ricky?
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Where are you going now? We're all going
to see a shootout at O .K. Corral. No,
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you're not. Absolutely not.
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Oh, Mom, it's really neat.
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This guy gets shot and falls off me up.
I don't want you seeing that.
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Not after what you've been through.
You've been having nightmares enough as
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is. Anyhow, we're going home. I want to
go back on the bus with the kids.
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You're coming home with me.
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The last time, when the bus let him off
at school.
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A bunch of kids started picking on him
because they didn't get to go to
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Marineland. All he needs is to be
attacked like that. Maybe the kids were
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jealous. Why should they be jealous?
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Would they like being kidnapped?
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Everybody's certainly being generous.
You know that Mr. Gingestein established
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scholarship fund so that employee who
was held hostage could go to college?
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Well, why don't they put up some money
for the rest of us?
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What kind of money?
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For therapy.
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That was a traumatic experience.
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These kids aren't going to get over it
right away.
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I hope you're wrong.
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I'm not wrong.
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It was a damaging experience.
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Those men hurt my son.
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Excuse me, Viv.
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I hear you're leaving early. Can we go
home with you?
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Sure. Oh, thanks a million.
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I'd take the bus, but if Loretta doesn't
get home and get her shot... Yeah,
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yeah, we all know about Loretta's
diabetes.
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That's why she got to go free and all
the other kids had to stay behind and
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their chances.
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Now, here we read those plucky little
youngsters spent the day at Cowboy Town.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Isn't that nice? And yesterday they were
at an amusement park. Well, I'm very
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happy for them. But I've had it up to my
eyeballs reading about all those fun
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field trips.
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Me too, but it's good human interest
stuff.
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The readers are reading it up.
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It's good free publicity, you mean.
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Those children are being used by Mr.
Ginty.
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I'm reminded of another disaster where
hucksters waited outside a mine shaft
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selling popsicles and souvenirs.
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I think your knowledge is a little
extreme.
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The chain is just making the most of the
space we give them.
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Exactly. I do the same thing.
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If I were the press agent for Mr.
Ginty's. But I am not the press agent
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Ginty's. Mr. Graz?
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We've become part of a publicity stunt.
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But the kid's story is still news and we
should run with it.
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You can see it in the other papers and
on television.
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And nobody's doing anything that's
fresh.
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I have come to expect that the Tribune
can develop a story with more
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and, frankly, with more pizzazz.
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Pizzazz?
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Oh, well, you know what I mean.
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No, I don't. Sure you do, Lou. She
means... She knows what I mean.
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Don't you, Mr. Brown?
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Sure. He wants to do something different
with it. Use our imaginations. Give it
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a little more... Go on, Mr. Grant.
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Say it.
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Pizazz.
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Don't you have a single shot in here
without a guy in a Mr. Guinea suit?
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it was hard. They had about 30 of them.
A little green army.
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Well, crop this one so he won't go. Why?
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Well, Giddens has had enough of a free
ride out of this.
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How'd the preliminary hearing turn out?
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The case is going to superior court.
Rossi's over there now.
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The D .A. won't even consider plea
bargaining with the kidnappers. How
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He says that they caused psychological
damage to the kids, which he feels comes
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under the heading of bodily harm. He
plans to ask for the stiffest penalty he
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can get.
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Sounds like Mrs. Hamlin. What, a mother?
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Yeah, she keeps harping on the same
theme, how they should be compensated
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this. Competent? You mean with money?
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Well, for damages.
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She wants somebody to pay for therapy.
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She goes on about how her little boy is
afraid and how he has bad dreams.
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Half the time, she's saying it right in
front of him. I mean, it's like she's
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coaching him.
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Coaching him?
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Well, planning to see it, anyhow.
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Billy, do you get the feeling that some
of these parents might be exploiting
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this? I think it's possible.
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Interesting.
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Interesting angle.
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I want you to go back there and follow
up on it.
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Follow up how?
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Use this woman as your focus. It sounds
as if you're reacting negatively toward
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her, and I trust your instinct.
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Stick with her. See how she talks to the
boys. See how he responds.
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See if you can find something to back up
what you just told him.
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I think I can do that.
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Hey, Peggy.
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Peggy Day.
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What do you say?
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Hi there. How are you?
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Swell, you don't remember who I am, do
you?
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Sure. You're a reporter in one of the
newspapers.
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You're... Joe Rossi. Joe Rossi.
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Of the Tribune. Of the Tribune. I told
you I remembered.
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Don't think I don't appreciate it. What
are you doing here? They're letting TV
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cameras in the trial?
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We don't know yet.
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The station has requested it. I'm here
to find out from Judge Strohmeyer.
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Strohmeyer? Is that who's handling it?
Might as well forget about it, then.
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Who says?
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I says. Don't kid yourself. There isn't
a snowball's chance in hell of that man
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letting cameras in there. No way, no
how. Why not?
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You ever seen Strohmeyer in action?
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The man's a terror.
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He's a real petty tyrant. He's
irascible, capricious, arrogant.
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He's not about to let cameras in there
and let you show the world what goes on
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in his courtroom.
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Are you sure?
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No. No, nothing in this world is sure.
Let's just say I'm 99 % certain. I
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leave margin for error, whether I need
it or not.
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Quiet down!
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This may not be a courtroom, but I will
have order here.
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I am trying to read.
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Very well, Miss Day.
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Permission granted. I'll allow your
cameras in the courtroom.
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If you don't shut up, I will hold all or
any of you in contempt.
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Now, I grant your request.
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Within the guidelines and restrictions
set forth here.
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Plus a couple of my own. Your Honor,
there's considerable evidence that
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in court can be prejudicial to
defendants and disruptive.
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We've been through all that. What do you
think, I am an idiot?
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Now, I've read all your arguments, and I
find none of them persuasive. Does the
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prosecutor have any words of wisdom to
add to this?
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No, Your Honor. We have no objection to
your decision.
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Well, thank you.
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But... But what?
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But there'll be children testifying,
Your Honor.
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You worry about your clients. I'll worry
about the children. Is that all right?
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Yes.
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Yes, what?
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Yes, your honor.
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In my courtroom, Mr. Patterson, the
public's right to know comes first.
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The media and I have never had any
problems.
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We can establish ground rules that will
be acceptable to everyone.
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Hearings concluded.
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Since when have he and the media decided
to get along?
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Probably since he decided to run for re
-election.
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Oh, a strong line? No way, not a chance.
I happen to have inside information.
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He's planning to retire next year.
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Is it as reliable as him letting cameras
in here?
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See you later, John.
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Joe.
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Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on A &E.
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A &E returns to Lou Grant.
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with cameras in the courtroom.
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It gives everybody from the judge to the
attorney to the witnesses the urge to
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start showboating. People play to
cameras. It's human nature.
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Supreme Court ruled that the states had
the right to okay cameras in court.
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Or not okay them, which is what
Strohmeyer should have. Did it ever
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you, Lou, that all those people might be
kept on their toes by the knowledge
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that the public was watching?
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Yeah, it occurred to me. I was in TV
once myself, you know. It's a bad
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precedent. Once you start televising
trials, lawyers won't want to take
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unpopular cases. They'll feel the
pressure of public opinion.
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Witnesses won't want to appear.
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And you'll run the risk of getting beat
on the story.
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That too.
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Trial coverage has always been the one
place the newspapers have had all to
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themselves. I know cameras in the
courtroom are going to hurt us.
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Even so, the cameras belong there. It's
another form of freedom of the press.
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Good for you, Charlie. I haven't heard
the phrase freedom of the press raised
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an argument all day.
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It's a bad ruling.
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First of all, TV doesn't explain what's
going on. The average guy sitting in
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front of his TV set doesn't understand
what he's watching.
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They'll need you to interpret it for
them.
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I consider that part of my job.
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In the second place, TV is showbiz. They
just go over the fastest, most
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sensational stuff. I don't trust anybody
in TV.
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I didn't say anything about people who
used to be in it.
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I understand the community's raising
some money for the kids, and they're
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to divide it among you equally.
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Equally. They didn't all suffer equally.
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Ricky was kidnapped.
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I mean, the whole thing traumatized him.
The other kids there was only kidnapped
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for an hour.
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Only for an hour. Two madmen in a car?
You could have been killed.
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Look what I got.
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What a great bike.
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Who gave that to you? Your mom?
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Bunch of the merchants got together.
They gave bikes to all the children.
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Mom won't let me ride it, though. I
don't think he's ready for it.
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Emotionally. Sides.
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I don't want him getting into an
accident before the trial.
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I picked up some talk about you suing
the police.
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My lawyer says the cops had a siege
mentality and that they were the ones
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created the climate of hysteria and
forced those guys into taking hospices.
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Well,
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I guess this has been a pretty exciting
time for you.
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Yeah, I guess.
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How do you feel now that it's all over?
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I guess traumatized.
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Traumatized? It means scared.
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I have these bad dreams, you know.
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Mom says I need... What do you call it?
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Therapy.
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Okay.
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What?
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Billy's piece.
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It was disappointing.
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I love that angle she pitched about the
parents manipulating their kids, but it
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doesn't come through.
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I see what you mean, but I think it's an
easy fix.
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I usually don't expect to have to do
much to Billy's stuff, but here she's
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so careful to make sure no one knows she
really doesn't like this woman. She's
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not making her point.
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I admit it is subtle.
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If people want subtlety, let them read
the New Yorker. Our job is to spell
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things out.
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If we open with the fourth graph where
she describes this Mrs. Hamlin, I think
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it'll start strong.
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Yeah. Now, here.
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She says, under his mother's watchful
eye. I mean, that just makes her sound
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like a benevolent mom.
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You want to say manipulation?
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That's too strong.
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Coaching.
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It was coaching.
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Why don't we just say coaching?
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You might mean to tell Billy I'm making
these changes.
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I think I've got another idea on how to
make this thing work.
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Yeah.
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Okay, first shot. Second shot. Oh, I'm
sorry.
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00:26:58,600 --> 00:26:59,600
Hi,
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Peggy.
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Hi, there.
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Peggy Davis is... Hi, Peg.
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Listen, are all those guys from your
station?
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No, no, all the local stations are here.
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With just one camera? Well, that's part
of the ground rule Strohmeyer laid down.
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We all have to share the feed.
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We each have our own truck and equipment
outside, but we all get the same
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picture. I still think that camera's
going to distract people.
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00:27:26,780 --> 00:27:30,340
It shouldn't. The camera won't move for
openers. It'll stay right there and use
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the zoom lens.
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00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:32,460
We're not even allowed to photograph the
jury.
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What about the lights?
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We use available light. I swear people
won't even know the camera's there.
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they will when they read about it in the
newspaper. Come on, Billy.
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Listen. I don't say this very often, but
I thought your piece this morning
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really had something special.
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00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,880
Thanks.
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00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,800
Like, what did you like?
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00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,000
Just sounded sort of the way I would
have done it.
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00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:52,220
High praise indeed.
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00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,740
But you want to know the truth? I
haven't read it.
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Ha ha, that'll be the day. I'm serious.
Some neighbor took our paper this
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morning and the coffee shop was out and
I was late getting here.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Rossi, if I'd gotten my hands on a paper
this morning, the first thing I would
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have done is read my own story. I admit
it, but I didn't. Well, I just want you
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to know I thought that was one of the
meanest, most merciless jobs you've ever
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done. Congratulations.
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00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,880
Thanks.
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That was a nice piece of police today.
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Good, sharp stuff. She really nailed
that lady.
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00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,840
Do you think so?
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That's pretty good.
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00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,060
Hey, did you get a look at Wienermeyer's
new secretary?
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00:28:32,660 --> 00:28:35,380
No. Is she the one that wears the pink
sweater?
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She's got a body that just won't quit.
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00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,800
And I understand she takes dictation at
an astonishing 15 words a minute.
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00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:46,860
John, we don't often see you in here.
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00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Well, the last time was in 1977.
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00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,580
Doesn't seem to have changed much.
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The seven sandwiches are new.
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Do they have coffee?
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Yeah, there's a machine right there.
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00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,540
You mean we don't get it for free? There
aren't just pops of it? No, it was an
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economy move.
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00:29:01,540 --> 00:29:02,540
Remember?
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Very good.
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I'll pay you back.
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00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,720
So, what's Billy working on now?
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00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,660
I've got Rosalie and her covering the
circus.
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00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:20,180
Circus? The trial.
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00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:23,890
Which will be a circus when everybody
starts hamming it up to the TV cameras.
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00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:27,350
don't agree with you. Not with Judge
Strohmeyer on the bench. Are you
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He'll be the worst offender now that
he's announced he's running for re
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-election. You watch. You'll see Mr.
Chief Justice up on that bench. That's
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unfair. Strohmeyer is a tough, hard
-nosed, no -nonsense jurist. He's not
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to let a bunch of TV cameras enforce
him. You voted for him, right?
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00:29:44,490 --> 00:29:48,550
Yes, as a matter of fact, I voted for
him. And we could use a few more like
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on the bench.
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Mrs. Pesha, what do you think of Judge
Strohmeyer?
489
00:29:52,630 --> 00:29:53,890
Oh, Ned.
490
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:59,630
He just graduated from law school when I
first met him. Still had his hair.
491
00:30:00,250 --> 00:30:03,630
We used to show up at the same parties,
hang around the same crowd.
492
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:09,230
My lord, I... I've known Ned Strohmeyer
for well over 30 years.
493
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:11,310
A dreadful man.
494
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:17,310
And show beyond a shadow of a doubt...
495
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:21,620
that these men did willfully subject the
children to grievous bodily harm.
496
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,200
Thank you.
497
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:24,880
Thank you, Your Honor.
498
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,360
Thank you very much, Miss Markham.
499
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:32,040
Miss Patterson, does the defense wish to
make an opening statement?
500
00:30:32,780 --> 00:30:33,780
We do, Your Honor.
501
00:30:37,060 --> 00:30:42,340
And it is our contention that the police
actually collaborated, in effect, by
502
00:30:42,340 --> 00:30:45,260
providing an honest deal, only to turn
around.
503
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,540
and to charge my clients with
kidnapping.
504
00:30:50,740 --> 00:30:53,120
We shall see, Mr. Patterson, we shall
see.
505
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:59,980
It is my job to guarantee that everyone
in this proceeding has his day in court.
506
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,960
And now, Miss Markham, do you care to
call your first witness?
507
00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:06,260
Yes, Your Honor.
508
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,840
And how are you feeling now, Amy, two
months later?
509
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Scared.
510
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,160
Very scared.
511
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,400
I've found dreams.
512
00:31:19,300 --> 00:31:20,300
Thank you, Amy.
513
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,800
This has got to be tough on those kids.
514
00:31:26,060 --> 00:31:27,900
Well, their parents knew that coming in.
515
00:31:30,140 --> 00:31:31,140
Mr. Patterson?
516
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:42,900
Amy, all the time you were at the
birthday party, did...
517
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:46,780
Either of those men over there do
anything at all to harm you?
518
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,040
There's no need to be frightened, Amy.
519
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:54,580
Just listen to my questions and then try
to answer.
520
00:31:57,660 --> 00:31:58,660
Your Honor,
521
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,280
it's obvious that the child is
frightened by the proceedings. I
522
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,260
request that that camera be removed.
523
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,440
Counselor, I will be responsible that
your client gets a fair trial in this
524
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,250
courtroom. But we will not shroud these
proceedings in secrecy.
525
00:32:18,610 --> 00:32:24,570
As Judge Learned Hand once observed, the
mutual confidence on which all else
526
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:31,210
depends can only be maintained by a
brave reliance on free discussion.
527
00:32:33,450 --> 00:32:38,270
The two defendants is Mark Patterson.
His first witness, Amy Holtzman, was one
528
00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:39,510
of the children held hostage.
529
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:47,110
This reverence to the two defendants,
however, produced the following
530
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:54,830
Amy, all the time you were at the
burglary party, neither of the men over
531
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:56,270
do anything at all to harm you.
532
00:32:57,630 --> 00:32:59,090
There's no need to be frightening.
533
00:32:59,810 --> 00:33:02,970
Just listen to my questions and then try
to answer.
534
00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:04,250
He can't.
535
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:08,650
Boy, that is typical of these three
guys. They pick the most sensational
536
00:33:08,770 --> 00:33:11,550
maybe the only sensational moment all
day and slant the whole thing toward it.
537
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:13,030
What'd they expect on this show?
538
00:33:13,710 --> 00:33:15,410
The judge picking at his toupee glue?
539
00:33:16,050 --> 00:33:17,910
Is he wearing makeup, you think?
540
00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:21,850
Watch if they show him again. His neck
is about three shades paler than his
541
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:26,130
face. He's a golfer. All golfers have
two -toned tans. Speaking of slanted
542
00:33:26,130 --> 00:33:29,270
reporting, Lou, I wonder if we could go
somewhere for a minute and talk about my
543
00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:32,770
article this morning. I just got a
chance to read it, and... Hell of a
544
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:34,310
Billy. I meant to mention it before.
545
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:35,950
Nice writing.
546
00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:37,810
Thanks.
547
00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:39,110
Excuse me.
548
00:33:39,170 --> 00:33:42,030
The bartender said you all are from the
Trill.
549
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,340
Does anyone here know Billy Newman?
550
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,780
Yeah, I do, but he's not here.
551
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,640
Thanks. I'll let you know if I see him.
552
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,040
Okay.
553
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:52,820
What did you say that for?
554
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Why take chances?
555
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,280
Chances of what?
556
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:56,760
How can you be so paranoid?
557
00:33:57,140 --> 00:34:00,300
Hey, who knows what he wants? He's a
stranger, right? Could be another sex
558
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,340
offender. Or a bill collector or some
man trying to serve me as a fiend.
559
00:34:04,340 --> 00:34:06,120
Sometimes you amaze me.
560
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:08,800
Sir, I'm Billy Newman.
561
00:34:09,139 --> 00:34:10,139
Oh, good.
562
00:34:10,699 --> 00:34:12,080
I have a subpoena for you.
563
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,980
Sometimes I amaze myself.
564
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,219
They want me to serve as a witness for
the defense.
565
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:33,260
Lou Grant will continue in a moment here
on A
566
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:34,260
&E.
567
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,159
I don't want to testify for the defense.
I'm a reporter.
568
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,050
I don't want... testify for anybody.
569
00:34:44,330 --> 00:34:47,590
Of course you don't. Who would? And they
wouldn't have called me if my story
570
00:34:47,590 --> 00:34:49,050
hadn't turned out the way it did.
571
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:52,909
Don't blame yourself. The damage is
done. I'm not blaming myself.
572
00:34:53,429 --> 00:34:55,530
Atta girl. Just concentrate on your
testimony.
573
00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:59,490
That story was deliberately planted. I
didn't write it that way. I've always
574
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:03,090
felt that reporters shouldn't have to
take part in trials. And there was no
575
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:05,830
to change my story. It keeps them from
being detached.
576
00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:07,110
Don't you agree?
577
00:35:07,170 --> 00:35:08,170
What?
578
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:12,790
Yes. Of course I agree. That's what I'm
saying. I don't want to testify.
579
00:35:13,310 --> 00:35:16,930
Then don't. Oh, what do you mean, don't?
I was subpoenaed.
580
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:20,790
That just means you have to show up. You
don't have to tell them anything. Just
581
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:22,110
answer minimally.
582
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:24,110
Don't volunteer a thing. Play dumb.
583
00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:25,610
How do I do that?
584
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:27,710
Oh, Billy, Billy, Billy.
585
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:29,030
You're a pro.
586
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:30,550
You've covered a million trials.
587
00:35:31,070 --> 00:35:33,950
You know how to play the game. You can
handle those guys.
588
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:36,650
You can dance circles around them.
589
00:35:46,220 --> 00:35:47,220
Did you write this article?
590
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,880
I did.
591
00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:53,300
When asked to describe his feelings
during the ordeal, the child glanced
592
00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:57,500
at his mother and then responded as
though coat with words unusually
593
00:35:57,500 --> 00:35:59,260
sophisticated for a child his age.
594
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,880
Is it your opinion that certain parents
coach their children to appear more
595
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,020
harmed than they actually were?
596
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,720
Objection, Your Honor. That calls for a
conclusion on the part of the witness.
597
00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:11,900
Your Honor, she's a trained observer.
598
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,620
who had a chance to observe and to study
the situation at close hand.
599
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,600
I'll hear the answer.
600
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Did some of the parents seem to coach
the children?
601
00:36:26,500 --> 00:36:27,980
It seemed to me they did.
602
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:29,960
Thank you.
603
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:45,580
Well, I'm going to have to... Are
604
00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:52,640
you
605
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,640
through, Miss Newton?
606
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:57,100
You can't possibly have done enough
damage in such a short time. I'm sorry.
607
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Sorry?
608
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,180
Wasn't it enough for you to destroy me
with your article? I didn't try to
609
00:37:02,180 --> 00:37:05,280
destroy you. Do you have any idea how my
neighbors are treating me now? I never
610
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,118
named you.
611
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,140
You didn't have to.
612
00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:10,870
I happen to be the only divorced mother
whose son is an only child out of all
613
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:11,870
the parents involved.
614
00:37:12,030 --> 00:37:17,130
It was never my intention to single you
out. You took one look at me and decided
615
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:20,710
you didn't like me. I don't know why,
but you set out to do a hatchet job.
616
00:37:20,750 --> 00:37:21,890
Hamlin, you're being unfair.
617
00:37:22,090 --> 00:37:23,990
Oh, forgive me. I'm so sorry.
618
00:37:24,290 --> 00:37:26,690
I'm being unfair to the reporter from
the Tribune.
619
00:37:27,710 --> 00:37:31,510
I can just imagine how awful it must
feel to have someone turn on you.
620
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:42,360
Tell me, Ricky, since all this happened
to you, how have things been in school?
621
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:45,420
Okay.
622
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:49,280
The teacher gave me these drawings,
Ricky.
623
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,300
I think you have a real talent.
624
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:55,240
I noticed something about these people's
faces, something unusual.
625
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,080
Do you know what I'm talking about?
626
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,440
These people have no mouths.
627
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,780
They all have eyes and ears and noses,
but no mouth.
628
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:10,870
Why did you draw them that way, Ricky?
629
00:38:14,650 --> 00:38:15,650
I don't know.
630
00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:18,070
I see.
631
00:38:18,830 --> 00:38:22,450
Tell me, do you talk about what happened
with your friends?
632
00:38:23,310 --> 00:38:25,830
No. Well, you must talk about it
sometimes.
633
00:38:26,210 --> 00:38:28,030
With your classmates, with someone.
634
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:30,370
I don't like to talk about it.
635
00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:32,850
I see.
636
00:38:34,970 --> 00:38:38,190
I suppose that could explain him drawing
everybody with no mouth.
637
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:42,350
You missed your calling, Charlie.
638
00:38:42,610 --> 00:38:44,250
You'd have made a top -notch
psychiatrist.
639
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:47,150
No need to be sarcastic.
640
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:48,790
Poor detective, even.
641
00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:50,870
It was merely an observation.
642
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:56,590
Now, I watched the television coverage
again last night. I'm 95 % sure that
643
00:38:56,590 --> 00:38:57,590
judge is wearing makeup.
644
00:38:59,610 --> 00:39:01,390
Someone we know voted for him.
645
00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,670
How did I come to be on trial?
646
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:08,570
And you were shivering.
647
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:10,030
That's right.
648
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:12,880
Were you cold?
649
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:14,920
Yes.
650
00:39:15,380 --> 00:39:18,600
And then what did that madman sitting
right over there, what did he do?
651
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,800
He, uh, gave me his jacket.
652
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:25,460
He put his jacket on you because you
were cold?
653
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,360
Yes.
654
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:30,020
I see.
655
00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:33,460
Ricky, does that seem like the kind of
thing that a person would do who was
656
00:39:33,460 --> 00:39:34,460
trying to harm you?
657
00:39:34,860 --> 00:39:38,580
Objection. Counsel is asking the witness
to speculate about motives.
658
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,780
Sustained. All right, Ricky.
659
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,100
Um, did you feel threatened when he gave
you his jacket?
660
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,480
Or comforted?
661
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,440
I don't know.
662
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,720
Both. Threatened and comforted.
663
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:53,940
The man gives the boy his jacket.
664
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,820
He acts nice to it. But at the same
time, he threatens his life. The boy
665
00:39:58,820 --> 00:39:59,819
realize that.
666
00:39:59,820 --> 00:40:00,820
Oh, very much.
667
00:40:00,860 --> 00:40:03,680
It's part of the ambivalence, as I say.
It's part of what makes him so
668
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,940
disturbed. This feeling both good and
bad about someone.
669
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,520
The nice man.
670
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,040
forces him into the car at gunpoint.
671
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:14,320
But there are also policemen there with
guns drawn.
672
00:40:14,660 --> 00:40:17,240
It's very clearly a life -threatening
situation.
673
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:18,920
He was terrified.
674
00:40:19,380 --> 00:40:20,380
And now?
675
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,340
He's still disturbed. He will be for a
long, long time.
676
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:28,240
So your professional opinion is... He
suffered psychological damage.
677
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:30,500
I have no doubt.
678
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:35,660
So your professional opinion is... He
was harmed.
679
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,900
Suffered psychological damage.
680
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,558
Oh, see?
681
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,560
How's it coming?
682
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:41,740
It'll be ready in a minute.
683
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,860
It's a good thing they do edit that
stuff. They show it on the news.
684
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:47,198
Why's that?
685
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,220
Boy, what they did to you on that stand,
you're lucky they didn't show it again,
686
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,280
I think.
687
00:40:51,540 --> 00:40:55,360
Thanks. That's the way the rocks and the
fence stopped up the case.
688
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,620
So now it's up to the jury to decide.
689
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,800
Meanwhile, Channel 6 interviewed some of
the parents.
690
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,440
Mrs. Frazier, how do you feel the trial
went?
691
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:06,700
I think it was a fair trial.
692
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,840
And I'm hopeful that they'll get what
they deserve.
693
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,540
We've locked up for a long time.
694
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:17,160
There's some controversy about the
judges' decision to allow television
695
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,158
in the courtroom.
696
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:19,520
Were you personally bothered by that?
697
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,680
It didn't bother me. I just hope it
doesn't affect the outcome.
698
00:41:24,180 --> 00:41:25,180
Bad chance.
699
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,900
Do you believe that media coverage has
been prejudicial in the trial?
700
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:30,600
You bet I do.
701
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,460
You know... In what way specifically do
you feel the media coverage may have
702
00:41:35,460 --> 00:41:36,460
influenced people?
703
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:41,010
Well, one thing for sure, those slanted
articles in the Tribune didn't help.
704
00:41:41,950 --> 00:41:43,530
Your daughter thinks you've read about
it.
705
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:47,770
Uh, how is... Well...
706
00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:56,490
Good
707
00:41:56,490 --> 00:42:00,510
morning. They found him guilty. I know,
I heard it on the car radio.
708
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:02,070
Something else kind of interesting.
709
00:42:02,370 --> 00:42:05,830
Prosecuting lawyer was offered a very
prestigious job in the Attorney
710
00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:10,300
office. Doesn't surprise me. She came
across very photogenic on the tube.
711
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,180
You don't know that had anything to do
with it. In fact, I'd call that whole
712
00:42:14,180 --> 00:42:17,620
flap about cameras in court
inconclusive.
713
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Well, I'm glad you're so philosophical
about it, Charlie.
714
00:42:20,980 --> 00:42:25,640
According to the polls, your friend,
Judge Strohmeyer, has looked very badly
715
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:26,740
his campaign for re -election.
716
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:30,880
He can't prove TV had anything to do
with that.
717
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,320
Didn't help him. He came across as a
phony and everybody saw it.
718
00:42:34,580 --> 00:42:35,840
I think it was the makeup.
719
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,160
American people simply will not vote for
a man who wears makeup or dyes his
720
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,460
hair. Is that right?
721
00:42:41,820 --> 00:42:42,880
It's a proven fact.
722
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,000
Hi. Hi.
723
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,880
Loves that bike.
724
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,340
I'm scared to death every time he gets
on it. What am I going to do?
725
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,600
I'm here for a very unprofessional
reason.
726
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:01,880
To apologize.
727
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:03,260
For my article.
728
00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:06,070
My testimony, everything. I'm genuinely
sorry.
729
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:08,430
We got her judgment.
730
00:43:09,010 --> 00:43:10,090
All's well that ends well.
731
00:43:11,170 --> 00:43:12,170
Let me help you.
732
00:43:13,550 --> 00:43:15,970
Well, what appeared in the paper was
misleading.
733
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:18,430
And I want you to know I regret it.
734
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:20,830
You know, you weren't completely wrong.
735
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:22,470
Oh, I mean about coaching, Ricky.
736
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:24,050
Well, I did.
737
00:43:25,490 --> 00:43:26,490
What?
738
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:27,630
Sure.
739
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:29,589
Wouldn't you have?
740
00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:31,890
Miss Newman, do you have any children of
your own?
741
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Not yet?
742
00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:35,660
Well, let me tell you about being a
parent.
743
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:42,020
I would have done anything, anything, to
get Ricky the therapy he needed and to
744
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:45,020
put those two animals away where they
can't harm somebody else's child. So,
745
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,420
yeah, I coached him.
746
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,640
I was willing to fight as dirty as I had
to.
747
00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:54,320
Someday, when you have a child of your
own, you come back here, and you tell me
748
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,980
then if you'd do things any differently.
749
00:44:13,420 --> 00:44:15,660
Lou, we still haven't had it out about
what you did to my article.
750
00:44:16,180 --> 00:44:16,939
Can't wait.
751
00:44:16,940 --> 00:44:18,000
It's been a long day.
752
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:20,100
You've been avoiding me, hoping I'll
cool off.
753
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:21,300
Well, I haven't.
754
00:44:22,060 --> 00:44:25,440
You only know about Mrs. Hamlin through
me. You get all your information
755
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,460
secondhand. Now, I may not be the best
writer in the world, but one thing I've
756
00:44:29,460 --> 00:44:31,020
got going for me is my integrity.
757
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,280
So when something I write gets changed
around to satisfy someone else's notion
758
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:39,300
about what makes good copy, it makes
me... It makes me furious.
759
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:41,140
Livid, right?
760
00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:42,460
Outrageous.
761
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:48,760
Damn it, now you're even rewriting my
yelling at you. But I am really
762
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Billy, I hear you. But you know, I made
a note to call you that night to explain
763
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:55,680
we rewrote you.
764
00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:57,060
Did you call me?
765
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,980
No, I lost the note, but the thought was
there.
766
00:45:01,300 --> 00:45:02,038
Well, good.
767
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,360
Because there's a big difference between
rewriting and changing an entire story.
768
00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:07,100
I got you.
769
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,840
Is that all?
770
00:45:11,140 --> 00:45:12,140
Yes.
771
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,160
What are you going to do now?
772
00:45:15,540 --> 00:45:16,540
Go home.
773
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:22,620
Now, have a little time. I've got this
story of Sweeney's, and it needs, I
774
00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:23,940
know, something.
775
00:45:25,260 --> 00:45:26,680
Do you want to take a crack at it?
776
00:45:28,420 --> 00:45:29,420
Rewrite it?
777
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:31,300
Yes.
778
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,460
Be sure to preserve the integrity of the
piece.
779
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,160
I'll try.
780
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,240
He's considered the most dangerous man
in Europe. But just wait until he meets
781
00:45:57,240 --> 00:45:58,240
Sherlock Holmes.
782
00:45:58,260 --> 00:46:02,100
A bad news baron is on the run on
Sherlock Holmes Mysteries tonight.
783
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Now a cop plays a dangerous game of hide
-and -seek when he goes undercover to
784
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:08,120
find a crime boss.
785
00:46:08,220 --> 00:46:12,340
James Valentino stars in Police Story,
next on AMA.
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