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Para apoyar este proyecto y obtener una copia original, visita la siguiente dirección: 2 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,959 Amebix - Risen (resucitado) 3 00:01:05,582 --> 00:01:07,582 ::: Subtítulos traducidos por tromahawk2023 ::: el x-x-2025 (robertotapiola@gmail.com) 4 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,600 Escuché Amebix por primera vez 5 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,960 por un amigo mío, mine 6 00:01:18,960 --> 00:01:21,680 y lo que significó para mí 7 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,400 es que provenían de una mentalidad diferente 8 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,640 respecto a otras bandas punk del momento. 9 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,680 Tenían una atmósfera apocalíptica, 10 00:01:34,479 --> 00:01:40,400 un rollo misterioso, 11 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,900 algo así como un aura espiritual. 12 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,720 Resucitado 13 00:01:50,127 --> 00:01:52,127 Sin dios ni amo. 14 00:02:22,930 --> 00:02:27,309 [Canción: Axeman] 15 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,840 -Primeros días- Stig volvió y se fue de la universidad. 16 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,080 Se fue a trabajar a New Jersey 17 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:06,959 por un tiempo, 18 00:03:06,959 --> 00:03:09,200 en un hotel, y luego volvió 19 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,400 y tenía una guitarra 20 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,000 con un amplificador 21 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,599 y dijo de formar una banda. 22 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,280 yeah and this kind of coincided with 23 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,720 something else in my life which was 24 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,560 at that yeah as i say at that point i 25 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,000 was doing quite well but i was in the 26 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,080 atc which is like the air training corps 27 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,920 i was a sergeant in the atc i was doing 28 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:25,840 very very well i was i was a 29 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,319 a deadshot marksman i had various raf 30 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:29,920 awards for it at that age sort of thing 31 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:30,799 was growing up 32 00:03:30,799 --> 00:03:32,560 shooting all the time anyway i knew my 33 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,400 way around guns and stuff 34 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,760 and um i was set all together for a 35 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,280 career in the raf i was 36 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,560 that's what i was going to be doing you 37 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,799 know um and then 38 00:03:42,799 --> 00:03:45,760 what happened was i went on a um on the 39 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,319 night megan marches which is basically 40 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:49,840 the six and a half thousand allied 41 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,760 troops this is basically you get 42 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,560 your um americans and canadians these 43 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,000 some of these guys were from korea and 44 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,360 vietnam veterans 45 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,560 and plus these young cadets and all in a 46 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,720 great big forest area outside nijmegen 47 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,760 in in holland 48 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,599 um the um the the thing of the event 49 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:08,720 basically you'd have to walk 50 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,640 20 miles a day would march 20 miles a 51 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,560 day with your hobnail boots on your full 52 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,080 uniform march march march 53 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,160 march 20 miles a day for five days so 54 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,759 you've done 100 miles and 55 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,238 at the end of it basically you get a 56 00:04:20,238 --> 00:04:22,639 little little medal thanks very much for 57 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,080 commemorating the arnhem landings you 58 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,600 know whether all the paratroops came in 59 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,960 all this kind of stuff 60 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,720 so great we've been training for it for 61 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,000 ages went across there 62 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,440 did this um and 63 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,880 during the evenings i was hanging out 64 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,479 with a with a group of gis 65 00:04:36,479 --> 00:04:38,160 up in their tent and they were a good 66 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,280 laugh and there's this one guy called 67 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,320 stanzarelli and um uh 68 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,160 we got on really well he said miller he 69 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,360 said i'm uh 70 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,120 i'm giving you an order son i said well 71 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,479 what's that he says listen he says i'm a 72 00:04:48,479 --> 00:04:49,919 sergeant and you're a sergeant but i'm a 73 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:51,280 bigger god damn sorry in the new year 74 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:52,880 says we're going out on the town tonight 75 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:53,199 so 76 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:54,320 this is at the end of the week yeah 77 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,080 we're all tired and but yeah kind of 78 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,639 happy 79 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:57,919 so i went out on the piss with this 80 00:04:57,919 --> 00:05:00,000 group of yanks and i'm just a young lad 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:00,960 you know 82 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,400 i was supposed to have been in by nine 83 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,320 o'clock i eventually got back in at two 84 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,840 o'clock in the morning pierced out my 85 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:06,639 [ __ ] face 86 00:05:06,639 --> 00:05:08,560 with a huge fat american cigar stuffed 87 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,240 in my chops so 88 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,199 uh i'm wandering down through the camp 89 00:05:13,199 --> 00:05:14,479 out of my head and 90 00:05:14,479 --> 00:05:16,160 popped my head into the tent where we 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,600 were staying and the boys and there the 92 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:19,120 rest of the cadets were going miller 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,759 you're in [ __ ] trouble now boy yeah i 94 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:22,160 had 95 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,520 i got pulled up before the officers in 96 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,600 the morning what the [ __ ] how do you 97 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,280 think you were doing we had the mps out 98 00:05:27,280 --> 00:05:28,400 after and all this kind of stuff it's 99 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:29,440 like well 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,520 [ __ ] so went back home and i didn't 101 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,039 really have much of a choice after that 102 00:05:33,039 --> 00:05:35,440 i went back to the atc hut the next week 103 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,000 and the nco guys was saying well what 104 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,360 are you going to do now i said well [ __ ] 105 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,360 i'm going to form a punk rock band 106 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,280 and that was it punctuated 107 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,720 on the bandwidth name me and me and stig 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,320 and billy jurgy was a mate of mine from 109 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,560 school as well and we started basically 110 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,000 we got a tea tree and he was drumming on 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,360 the tea tree so that worked pretty well 112 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,880 for a little while along with the guitar 113 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:58,000 going to 114 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,160 and then we got uh clive barnes who had 115 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,759 this ropey old bass so he brought the 116 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:03,590 bass along 117 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:14,430 [Music] 118 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:20,800 to spend your time in a band trying to 119 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,080 play an instrument which you couldn't 120 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:23,280 tune 121 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,580 and having a laugh then the dull 122 00:06:25,580 --> 00:06:27,280 [Music] 123 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,800 dullness of living in the west country 124 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,440 really on the sticks the older i've been 125 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,199 over the jersey doing hotel work and 126 00:06:33,199 --> 00:06:35,600 stuff when he came back 127 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,039 and i didn't have that much work so i 128 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:38,560 got this shitty job to a new opportunity 129 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,880 i was walking to work every day 130 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,039 you know and trying to hitch a lift but 131 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:44,479 like you know people were 132 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:45,919 wary of people looking a bit different 133 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:47,600 in those days like they are now but even 134 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,520 more so 135 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,479 and then it was more okay if like walk 136 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:53,919 along and think about things i was just 137 00:06:53,919 --> 00:06:55,199 thinking about 138 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:57,120 a good a good name kind of like a 139 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,560 corporate sort of logo idea for 140 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,000 something that's real 141 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,080 simple and basic just some basic idea 142 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,599 and sort of came up with the mavics and 143 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:04,960 came back to rob and told him about it 144 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,240 that evening 145 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,520 it all kind of focused from that 146 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:10,880 the idea came together from that a bit 147 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,280 more you know because we couldn't 148 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:14,800 when we first started when we did the 149 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,120 bandwidth name well i used to wonder why 150 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,639 each gig used to sound different because 151 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:19,680 i didn't know that you had a tuner 152 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,039 guitar i thought you just bought it from 153 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:21,599 the shop 154 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:23,120 and i thought the machine heads were 155 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:24,720 just putting the strings on you know to 156 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:25,599 hold them on 157 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:26,720 i didn't know you should actually turn 158 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:28,479 things around to make it change notes so 159 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:28,960 we 160 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,479 did about 20 gigs of not knowing how to 161 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:33,039 tune guitars and thinking like 162 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:34,720 you know why why is this kick sound 163 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,080 better than the last one or this gig 164 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,360 sounds more [ __ ] than the other one you 165 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,160 know 166 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,400 so we yeah everyone really hated us punk 167 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,400 in the 70s was uh um 168 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,520 uk subs the rats bands like that um i 169 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,479 think um 170 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:49,039 you know just getting into i was living 171 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:50,639 in quite a small town in the west 172 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:51,759 country 173 00:07:51,759 --> 00:07:53,280 um we were picking up stuff through john 174 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,680 peel discharge you know 175 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,160 crass all those bands but i think the 176 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,319 first band i was really into was the 177 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:03,440 the uk sub stranglehold that era 178 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,840 i saw the clash when i was 13 on the 16 179 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,440 tons tour 180 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,960 so it's just the energy of the moment 181 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:10,639 really i don't think we were 182 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,560 particularly politicized or we had any 183 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,639 agenda it was just that 184 00:08:14,639 --> 00:08:16,560 general feeling of being youngster being 185 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,400 pissed off pissed off with school not 186 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,080 liking authority 187 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:21,840 and just finding that whole sort of punk 188 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,440 thing is a big outlet really 189 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,400 without really any kind of uh coherent 190 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,879 philosophy around it at all apart from 191 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:30,560 you know [ __ ] it let's let's go out and 192 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,000 have a good time 193 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,240 all of this time yeah as i said before 194 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:35,360 and never really learned to tune our 195 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:36,240 instruments 196 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,958 and so we'd consequently play these gigs 197 00:08:38,958 --> 00:08:39,360 no 198 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,958 two songs would ever sound as they 199 00:08:40,958 --> 00:08:42,159 sounded originally you know because 200 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:43,519 things were constantly going out of tune 201 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:44,720 and nobody bothered to ever tune 202 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,000 anything up so it's like well 203 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,680 just [ __ ] play on this string here 204 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:49,360 and keep going and it 205 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,839 sounds vaguely like it did the last time 206 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,399 so we had a bit of fun really we just we 207 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:01,680 formed this band 208 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:03,040 took the whole punk rock thing really 209 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,279 seriously got yeah copies of sniffing 210 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:06,640 glue magazine and stuff and 211 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,399 said these three chords going to form a 212 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:11,519 band that's exactly what we did 213 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,000 and really got our people's noses 214 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,200 locally because it was the time where 215 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:21,760 you had 216 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,680 saturday night fever all those bg's 217 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:25,120 disco stuff going on and 218 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,240 you know people would be turning up at 219 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,760 the local discos and the nice white 220 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:28,560 jeans and the 221 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:30,959 yeah the the the pearly bloody tops and 222 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:32,399 all the rest of it and we would just be 223 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:33,600 these skanky 224 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,959 [ __ ] kids in drain pipe trousers um 225 00:09:36,959 --> 00:09:38,720 but it was enjoyable you know we had we 226 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,160 had a good time going and playing local 227 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:41,839 village halls getting canned off stage 228 00:09:41,839 --> 00:09:42,959 and spat up 229 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:45,040 um getting slagged off in the local 230 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,120 press just doing the sort of small town 231 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:48,320 punk rock thing 232 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,880 and me and stig being pretty much the 233 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,240 the only people that are immediately 234 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,160 identifiable as punks in that we had 235 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 slightly spiky hair and and uh 236 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,120 bit tattered jeans and stuff like that 237 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,080 you know chris 238 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,680 and rob were 239 00:10:05,680 --> 00:10:08,480 amoebics there was no one else amoebics 240 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:08,959 is 241 00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:11,680 rob miller and chris miller and no one 242 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:12,880 else 243 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,720 i was just the catalyst that brought 244 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,000 them 245 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,800 into being the spark of life here if you 246 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:19,360 like 247 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,839 the glee was the womb of amoebics 248 00:10:23,839 --> 00:10:25,600 there was one incident that happened 249 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,200 down there which i think 250 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,720 had a um a long lasting effect on on 251 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,399 stig anyway 252 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,839 it made the national news at the time 253 00:10:33,839 --> 00:10:36,160 and he was attacked by a puma 254 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,959 and basically shredded cut cut to 255 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:40,959 ribbons as a six-year-old child 256 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:44,480 um 120 stitches 257 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,399 severe bleeding everywhere i mean these 258 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:47,600 these days he still 259 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,279 stitches all over him you know uh it was 260 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:53,839 a really weird really weird thing to 261 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:54,560 happen in 262 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:56,959 in the remote area of devon like that a 263 00:10:56,959 --> 00:10:58,880 friend of our fathers was a 264 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,279 a millionaire but basically he was manic 265 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:03,360 depressive as well um 266 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,600 and he had one toy after another and he 267 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,720 joked about he'd buy it 268 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,399 by a helicopter at one point and go and 269 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:09,519 play around with that until he got 270 00:11:09,519 --> 00:11:10,800 [ __ ] bored and the 271 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,399 the one of his latest things to come 272 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:14,240 around was to show us i've got i 273 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,959 got a puma but they didn't tell us kids 274 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:17,839 about it 275 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:20,880 um put the puma up behind the the um 276 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,800 the cottages at the bottom of the land 277 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,399 um and they they tied it 278 00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,640 with a chain to the um to the telegraph 279 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,160 pole down there and 280 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:29,519 we didn't know anything about it and we 281 00:11:29,519 --> 00:11:31,600 were just playing and we went to play 282 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,480 hide and seek stig went to hide behind 283 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,200 there 284 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,320 and um he basically the 285 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,680 the the puma jumped on him and shredded 286 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:42,160 him 287 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,000 but it was just apparently he was very 288 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,360 very lucky because the puma he was just 289 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:46,079 playing 290 00:11:46,079 --> 00:11:47,600 uh otherwise he would have been dead it 291 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,760 was just 292 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,480 clawing at him and he he came out came 293 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:53,600 out stumbling out of there 294 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,279 just just a red mess of blood 295 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:00,480 you know side to side little white socks 296 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,560 full of blood 297 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:05,760 pretty grim really i was a little dark 298 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,800 black sheep sort of thing you know and 299 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,120 so i didn't spend a lot of time with him 300 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,639 with rob when we were young when we 301 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:14,000 when we were little kids together but 302 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,560 like from the age i was about 303 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:19,760 12 13 i really kind of went you know 304 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,279 off the rails and got sent to different 305 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,680 schools and got expelled and chopped out 306 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,279 of here and dropped out of there and 307 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:26,720 ended up going off to this maladjusted 308 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,519 kids school and coming back from there 309 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:32,880 and so we kind of 310 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,399 didn't see each other for quite a few 311 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:35,839 years really i didn't live in the family 312 00:12:35,839 --> 00:12:37,040 home i lived away 313 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:38,480 in the school which is full-time 314 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,240 boarding you know 315 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,839 and that was like the influences and 316 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:43,279 ideas i think 317 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,200 in some ways come from the kind of 318 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,680 family we've grown up in you know 319 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:49,200 none of our parents ever went to church 320 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,839 or nothing you know it's all like kind 321 00:12:50,839 --> 00:12:52,399 of 322 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:54,240 second third generation pagans if you 323 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:56,160 know what i mean the the norse 324 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,320 kind of side of things you know and all 325 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,839 different 326 00:12:59,839 --> 00:13:02,320 philosophical ideas you know things i've 327 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,160 always been interested in you know 328 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,680 just trying to alleviate the boredom of 329 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:07,440 living in a chicken [ __ ] town just to 330 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,079 make a good 331 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:09,920 noise and maybe put a decent idea out 332 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,279 there you know 333 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,800 basically though just to make 334 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,839 a difference somehow or maybe inspire 335 00:13:17,839 --> 00:13:19,040 people to do something different you 336 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,800 know 337 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,519 when i remember devon i am haunted to 338 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:24,800 the depths of my soul 339 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:26,240 by a beauty and warmth that has filled 340 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,720 me completely by the poem that was never 341 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:29,279 read 342 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:30,639 but there was written within me by a 343 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,120 graceful and perfect hand 344 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:34,480 the smell of plowed earth and the 345 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,639 croaking of rooks in the witch's wood 346 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:38,079 shadows of the stream beds with a 347 00:13:38,079 --> 00:13:39,839 speckled trout wave like weeds 348 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:42,320 and the soft flowing current still dry 349 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,560 stones of the tours on lonely dartmoor 350 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,519 a way to tavistock a way to plymouth 351 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:48,000 plunging 352 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,839 down once more into the wiry hedges and 353 00:13:49,839 --> 00:13:52,880 maize like lanes of peter tavi 354 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,480 i drank and i drank deep and i am 355 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,079 utterly haunted still by the fields of 356 00:13:56,079 --> 00:13:58,480 my youth 357 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,000 winter 1980. the glebe is a large manor 358 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:05,519 house on the edge of the mall 359 00:14:05,519 --> 00:14:07,440 it stands high on a hill overlooking the 360 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,680 sleepy village of peter tavi 361 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:11,519 saxon burial mounds lie beneath the 362 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:12,800 foundations 363 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,560 a thin membrane separates us from the 364 00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,000 ancient voices that stir beneath 365 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,480 our feet when the doors of midwinter 366 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,560 open into the other world 367 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:31,750 this is the place of many ghosts 368 00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:34,160 [Applause] 369 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,360 i think it really started when 370 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,760 when i moved into the sky martin's house 371 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,000 who used to be our drummer 372 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:45,440 as i have to be kind of i don't know 373 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,199 things people kind of go different 374 00:14:47,199 --> 00:14:48,880 directions i think billy and clive went 375 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,040 off to do their sort of thing 376 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,959 i think they were learning to play 377 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,720 properly or something 378 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,240 and then i think me and rob just wanted 379 00:14:58,240 --> 00:14:58,639 to 380 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:00,240 have a good time basically we wanted to 381 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,600 do this band so we ended up um 382 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,160 moving into this uh old vicarage on the 383 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:07,680 edge of dartmoor 384 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,360 and that was where the real atmosphere 385 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:10,800 started to come in 386 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,639 we used to sleep all day and wake up at 387 00:15:12,639 --> 00:15:14,480 night and play 388 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,600 and down there you wake up like five 389 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:18,800 o'clock at night and you've been off 390 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,800 your tits all day long 391 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,040 and the mist is going oh rolling it off 392 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,240 the moors just like those old 393 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:25,760 baskerville sherlock holmes movies 394 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,959 weren't you know it's like this high 395 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:28,800 little bits of twig and trees digging up 396 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,560 out of it i think [ __ ] you now this is 397 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,399 surreal man but living on that like six 398 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:33,519 seven months 399 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:34,880 that's where it really started to kick 400 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,320 in a bit more and we started to sound 401 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:37,839 like a surroundings you know 402 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:41,279 dark and mysterious 403 00:15:41,279 --> 00:15:43,920 it is only 404 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,920 the belief that the man 405 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,079 was probably the greatest single living 406 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,839 human being of the 20th century 407 00:15:52,839 --> 00:15:56,160 who came he was he 408 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,839 he seemed to be always at the glebe 409 00:15:59,839 --> 00:16:04,560 even before i discovered him 410 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,360 because sometimes destiny and fate 411 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,000 throws 412 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,120 humans together in strange ways and if 413 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:11,759 you have the 414 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,839 courage to admit that someone who has 415 00:16:13,839 --> 00:16:14,240 been 416 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,880 [Music] 417 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,560 misinterpreted all those years 418 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,600 for all those years should find a safe 419 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:22,000 haven 420 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,079 at the glebe house is is pure enough 421 00:16:24,079 --> 00:16:25,839 because it's only destiny and fate that 422 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:27,279 brings people together because 423 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:29,519 death came to crowley on december the 424 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:31,839 first 1947 and of course 425 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:34,880 i wasn't born until 1959 he said 12 426 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,560 years after 427 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,759 so you know it's a strange thing quirk 428 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:41,600 of fate really 429 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,680 once i had made contact with the crowley 430 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,160 spirit in my mind every mom 431 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,880 i knew he was there forever more see and 432 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:49,680 that's it 433 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,800 there's no other and of course crowley 434 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,680 will live forever in the uh 435 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,440 pantheon of all the great prophets that 436 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,759 ever lived on earth because um 437 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,720 he he told it how it was he showed the 438 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,600 world 439 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,280 what it was and of course there was only 440 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,679 one thing he actually produced that was 441 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:11,280 like a blip in the whole of the universe 442 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:12,079 was 443 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,319 libra alveolus the book of the law and 444 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,319 that was the most crucial book that was 445 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:17,039 ever written 446 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:21,119 in history rob and chris came into the 447 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,480 gleep and they didn't know what they 448 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,599 were coming into 449 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:25,760 but i opened my arms to them i opened up 450 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,280 the whole house to them we had the whole 451 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,600 house to ourselves 452 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:30,880 and we were able to do whatever we 453 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,720 wanted to while they were there we could 454 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,960 we never locked the house up we were 455 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,160 never burgled there's no 456 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,720 fires we just lived our lives and we 457 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,840 could live as happy as well 458 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,679 there was no it was a time warp in the 459 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:43,120 way there was no 460 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:45,280 the world outside didn't matter we were 461 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,720 walking in a bit of a dream 462 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,559 for the day state really because we knew 463 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:49,840 that we 464 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,799 had total freedom and of ourselves and 465 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:54,320 all the people around us in the local 466 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,039 area 467 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,039 would all come and visit the cleb but at 468 00:17:57,039 --> 00:17:58,640 the end of the day it was only 469 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,679 me rob and chris there and people came 470 00:18:01,679 --> 00:18:02,160 and went 471 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,039 girls came and went 472 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,919 people came and went and yet this part 473 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:10,400 of the meebix myth that the glebe was 474 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:11,919 maybe not hidden but should be shown now 475 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:13,679 that glebe was the birthplace of 476 00:18:13,679 --> 00:18:15,280 amoebics and there is no doubt about it 477 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,640 but of course from 478 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,120 when they left the glebe they then went 479 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:20,000 to bath 480 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,640 bristol and did what they did and had 481 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,000 such a short 482 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,039 lifespan but that short lifespan those 483 00:18:27,039 --> 00:18:29,280 two albums arise a monolith 484 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,160 has created a sort of myth and legend 485 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,160 and count status all over the world that 486 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,640 will always persist 487 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:41,520 because the glebe had infused 488 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,039 chris and rob with the spirit of crying 489 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:48,799 and his legacy 490 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,039 it is approaching up the long gravel 491 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:55,600 driveway 492 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,960 headlights sweep over the front of the 493 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,039 house as the cast turns around 494 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:00,640 martin parks the curtains in the kitchen 495 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,480 then turns towards stig an eye to softly 496 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:03,360 announce 497 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,559 it's k k has been 498 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,600 shopping up in london she walks into the 499 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,000 kitchen 500 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,240 in full kit paisley print head scarf 501 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,240 barber wax jacket and court shoes 502 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,320 every bit the country girl she's 503 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,320 carrying two plastic bags in each hand 504 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,160 the contents softly clink together as 505 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,480 she lifts them onto the table 506 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,000 i am so glad to be back she says 507 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,360 stick deeps into one of the bags and 508 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,200 retrieves a bottle of vodka he nods 509 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:29,840 sagely 510 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,160 nice one kay looks in his direction 511 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,280 briefly 512 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,919 talking as she unpacks i hit three cards 513 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,600 for the maximum 50 quid each piece of 514 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:38,240 piss 515 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,600 i just hang around the ladies changing 516 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,280 room in harrods lifted the cards out of 517 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,039 the bags and never raised an eyebrow 518 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:45,520 it's all down to look in the part she's 519 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,120 good very good 520 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,640 and she begins so i took a little wonder 521 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,400 down harley street to see the man 522 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,000 she takes out a cardboard box the size 523 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,480 of a box of chocolates and opens the top 524 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,320 i cram my neck over the other two lads 525 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,720 to see a row of small glass ampoules 526 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,039 for september she announces so who wants 527 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:02,960 a hit 528 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,840 this is an important question so 529 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:07,360 important that time seems to slow down 530 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:08,640 for an instant 531 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,080 i realize that something fundamental 532 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,760 hinges on this moment 533 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,840 kay's man is her doctor in harley street 534 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,760 she's a bad girl from a good family 535 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,200 when she fell into the junk scene her 536 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:18,880 parents could make sure that she got the 537 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,559 best help the money could buy 538 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,720 for september synthetic heroin clean and 539 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,919 legal if you had a harley street doctor 540 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:27,679 no you're all right thanks i decline our 541 00:20:27,679 --> 00:20:29,919 offer martin stig want a shot 542 00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:31,919 no cooking up no filtering straight into 543 00:20:31,919 --> 00:20:33,840 the works from there into the raised 544 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,600 blue vein of the forearm and tap in 545 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,799 drip drip drip martin buckles over 546 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:41,360 as pale as a ghost stick is thrown up 547 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,240 outside 548 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:43,919 he comes back in and sinks slowly into 549 00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:46,880 the armchair softly exhaling 550 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,640 a smile briefly touches the side of his 551 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,559 mouth before the eyeballs roll back 552 00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:53,600 and up into his skull his lips begin to 553 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,159 turn a powdery shade of blue 554 00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:58,400 there you go darling says kay she pats 555 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,840 him affectionately on the head and turns 556 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,360 her attention back to the box 557 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,559 i look on the raybun stove crackles and 558 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,559 flares into life as the wind and rain 559 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,720 lash against the leaded window panes in 560 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,240 the ancient earth beneath us the 561 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,919 forgotten spirits move slightly in their 562 00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:12,799 long sleep 563 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,440 a die has been cast this winter night i 564 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,600 gave them the nourishment they needed 565 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,799 i filled them full of my 566 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,840 what is it my being then i gave them 567 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,799 all i needed but i couldn't do anything 568 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,080 more for them when they left 569 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,760 because i had to um 570 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,760 recover myself in london and 571 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,320 but i was back very soon and of course 572 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:41,520 then my life 573 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,440 changed in other ways i was still doing 574 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,200 my photography 575 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,360 and i had friends and i was still doing 576 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,720 my artwork you know 577 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,880 you know we did you know tarot cards you 578 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,320 know 579 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,640 deck of thoth you know book of thoth 580 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,000 gems from the equinox 581 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,039 library just all his books 582 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,200 whenever when one had the money one 583 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,600 later on of course you know one would 584 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,200 buy the books read the books one must 585 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,960 study astrology one would 586 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,039 delve into all those writings of account 587 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:16,960 forces and you know when you have 588 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,720 time on your hands and you don't have to 589 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,799 do anything special 590 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:22,960 you have the time to delve into things 591 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,559 that people never even 592 00:22:24,559 --> 00:22:26,960 can do they're too busy working their 593 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,200 nine to five bollocks off 594 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,840 they're too drunk or too pissed and have 595 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,600 no imagination 596 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,520 but when you are calm and collective and 597 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,120 you know exactly what the hell is going 598 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:38,960 on then you can practice whatever magic 599 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,000 you want 600 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,679 and these days doesn't matter what you 601 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:43,520 practice because as long as you 602 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,200 do it with imagination and will 603 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,720 and love love is the most important 604 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,039 thing of all if you have love 605 00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:54,240 you can achieve anything you like but 606 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,679 martin i hope he's okay 607 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:56,960 he's a good drummer as well he used to 608 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,880 really build the sound up 609 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,240 it's a bit he wasn't really um 610 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,320 psychologically capable of coming with 611 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,159 us really i don't think it was really 612 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:07,600 what he wanted to do you know it's good 613 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:08,640 living in this house it definitely 614 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,080 formulated some of the sound 615 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,640 that rob was saying it's like um living 616 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,159 in that atmosphere of sleeping all day 617 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:14,960 and 618 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,679 being awake at night certainly um even 619 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:18,960 if you didn't want it to affect you it 620 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,360 still would affect you you 621 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:22,799 i know to like that edgy dartmouth thing 622 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,000 live on the edge don't we just walk up 623 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,120 the road you're on the moors and there's 624 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,600 just no houses or nothing anywhere 625 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,240 it gives you that feeling like people 626 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,600 probably used to feel before they were 627 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,600 surrounded and crowded into little small 628 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,039 spaces 629 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:36,480 it's nice to feel that sometimes you 630 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,559 know just to get away and 631 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:40,480 feel there's nothing to constrict you 632 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:41,919 well rob 633 00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:46,480 was like a witness a witness to the um 634 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,600 he was always a witness rob he was a 635 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,000 witness 636 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,679 to some of the um drug excesses and 637 00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,960 excesses in bristol and some of the 638 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,480 horrors of the backstabbing years you 639 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,799 know i mean music generally you know 640 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,240 he was still the person that kept it all 641 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,520 going because chris couldn't have done 642 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,679 it on his own 643 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:09,600 and rob couldn't have done without crisp 644 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,720 because they were like black brothers 645 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,520 you know 646 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,640 twins almost but i mean you know rob was 647 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,000 the one that kept it all going because 648 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,440 he didn't do the excesses that 649 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,039 christie's scene he was always 650 00:24:19,039 --> 00:24:22,480 straight rob is good because he stayed 651 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,000 true to his art and um 652 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,440 while i was losing their heads all 653 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,039 around him and people were dying around 654 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,240 that flies 655 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,840 he still kept going 656 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,179 [Music] 657 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,840 so 658 00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:17,840 [Laughter] 659 00:25:29,340 --> 00:25:43,180 [Laughter] 660 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,840 [Music] 661 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,870 so 662 00:25:55,870 --> 00:25:59,040 [Music] 663 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,840 so 664 00:26:12,190 --> 00:26:33,109 [Music] 665 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,840 is 666 00:26:41,390 --> 00:27:11,630 [Music] 667 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:21,840 catch up 668 00:27:27,270 --> 00:27:46,709 [Music] 669 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,530 through 670 00:27:49,530 --> 00:28:11,470 [Music] 671 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840 is 672 00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:33,599 [Music] 673 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,640 plymouth bretton side bus station early 674 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360 summer 1981. 675 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,799 four scruffy-looking characters are 676 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:46,720 boarding a city-linked bus 677 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,320 pushing their few tatty belongings into 678 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,760 the hold 679 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760 two of them are brothers both carry 680 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,440 guitars which they place carefully into 681 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:54,159 the overhead 682 00:28:54,159 --> 00:28:56,720 back baggage racks on board the precious 683 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,159 tools with which they hope to start a 684 00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,640 new life 685 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,919 they have traveled a few miles over 686 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:03,919 dartmoor on a fine sunny day 687 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,600 the tour is standing proud behind the 688 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,039 elverton and horror bridge and the 689 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:08,720 familiar dark more ponies resting in the 690 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,919 shade of the few trees that there are 691 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:14,000 the first of the brothers is chris 692 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,240 later to be known as stig six feet four 693 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,320 in his brothel creepers and drain pipes 694 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,720 hair groomed and spiked meticulously an 695 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,279 extraordinarily handsome young man of 19 696 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,440 fresh and optimistic with a slight sid 697 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,840 vicious type snarl on his face 698 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,840 his brother rob sits opposite him in the 699 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000 back of the bus a little shorter 700 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,760 and less striking apart from the spiky 701 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,520 peroxide blonde hair and a military 702 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,799 stance 703 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,840 a short dark-haired boy dumps his kit 704 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,320 unceremoniously 705 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,039 into the seat and slouches down against 706 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:43,600 the window 707 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,679 his clothes are dark his hair is swept 708 00:29:45,679 --> 00:29:47,360 in one long fringe down the side of his 709 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:47,840 face 710 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,440 in the style of phil okay of the human 711 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,919 league his bag contains a few clothes 712 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:54,320 and a small wasp synthesizer this is 713 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:54,960 norman 714 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,640 the new romantic k comes along the aisle 715 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,679 last 716 00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:01,520 swaying slightly from one side to the 717 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,440 other she has a gallon of rough cider 718 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:04,640 clutched in one hand 719 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,279 and the other steadying her course kay 720 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,000 is tall too 721 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,679 fairly plain looking from a well-to-do 722 00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:11,200 family out on the moor 723 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,000 she holds herself well she and robert 724 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,600 planned this trip today was a fine day 725 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,960 to leave 726 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,880 when she talks there is a dry crackle in 727 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,000 her voice 728 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,559 but very little else to tell her apart 729 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,640 unnecessarily as you look at her arms 730 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,799 purple and yellow bruises in the crook 731 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:28,640 thin threaded veins collapsing under the 732 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,960 skin 733 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,799 a happy looking guy in the back starts 734 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,559 to talk to them and hands around some 735 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:35,520 mogadon 736 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,080 the cider helps to wash away the taste 737 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,600 the rumble of the bust and the diesel 738 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360 fumes are the last memories before the 739 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,279 violent hess of the air breaks and rob 740 00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:44,159 comes too 741 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:46,159 wandering down the aisle falling out of 742 00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:47,760 the bus in a motorway car park 743 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,600 and vomiting over the side of it on 744 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,679 hands and knees as the inquisitive and 745 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:53,120 disapproving passengers 746 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,559 take turns to look around the side of 747 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,279 the door stig hangs off the stairway 748 00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:58,240 railing 749 00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,919 rocking you want to learn to hold your 750 00:30:59,919 --> 00:31:01,760 drugs mate he drools 751 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,600 a hand going up to his lips to wipe away 752 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,600 the telltale sleep dribble 753 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,880 i laugh weakly and wretch again 754 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,640 another 20 miles on and we all begin to 755 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,159 come around the streets of bristol 756 00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:13,840 become sun bleached and hazy 757 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,679 curiously empty after the riots that had 758 00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:17,440 torn them apart just months ago 759 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,960 when the furnace of racial tension had 760 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,039 erupted within britain's inner cities 761 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:22,480 and thatcher's bully boy police had 762 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,679 finally got a slapping down 763 00:31:25,770 --> 00:31:26,870 [Laughter] 764 00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:30,000 [Music] 765 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,120 steve curtis had moved into a hostel 766 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,200 me and nil followed afterwards and then 767 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,240 the doll was paying 768 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,919 absolutely ridiculous amount of money to 769 00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:39,760 the hostel so that 770 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,760 so that we could stay there and then 771 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,039 after a while 772 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,880 steve curtis found an empty house down 773 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200 the road and said you know 774 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,720 [ __ ] this i'm going to go and squat down 775 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,279 the road instead 776 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:52,960 and so we did the same thing we went and 777 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,640 squatted down the road but 778 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,320 we knew the check was delivered sort of 779 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,279 at a certain time so we always made sure 780 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:02,720 we were there to get the check that was 781 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,399 supposed to be going to the hostel so we 782 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:04,880 became 783 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,240 like not millionaires but at that point 784 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,240 we we felt like we were millionaires we 785 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,240 just had a ridiculous amount of money we 786 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,399 lived in a squat for free 787 00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:18,480 um we used all our money on on partying 788 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,559 basically we 789 00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,200 yeah i don't know so that what happened 790 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,480 is we had one squat that 791 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,799 got out of hand and got closed down it 792 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,640 had no electricity it had no 793 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,279 no water in the end it had no windows it 794 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:32,799 was winter 795 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,440 and we moved to over to another squad in 796 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,480 st paul's 797 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,279 that was at the the point in time of the 798 00:32:39,279 --> 00:32:40,399 the bristol 799 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:43,039 bristol riots so what what happened in 800 00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:44,640 st paul's became a police 801 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000 police free zone so it was an 802 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,080 amazing place to be a punk it was also a 803 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,080 very very dangerous place to to be 804 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,039 a punk in in some ways because just the 805 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,159 community there was 806 00:32:56,159 --> 00:32:58,640 wasn't sure we it felt like the st 807 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,399 paul's community and the punk scene 808 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:02,720 both kind of it was kind of misfits in 809 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,080 society in a way not 810 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,919 not fully accepted not understanding how 811 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,159 we sort of fitting into society so there 812 00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:09,760 was some kind of 813 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,440 acceptance for us in some ways there 814 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,519 wasn't acceptance for us 815 00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,240 we moved into uh to a squat in st paul's 816 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:16,640 and 817 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600 i remember by that point we picked up a 818 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,840 bass player called steve robinson 819 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,799 and one day he he brought home the 820 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,960 amoebics 821 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,480 rob chris and norman 822 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,640 and that was that was the whole start 823 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,480 what they came into was 824 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,080 it was it felt very free for 825 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080 authority there was just the police 826 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,840 didn't come into the area it was you 827 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,600 could do whatever you want if you wanted 828 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:44,640 to 829 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,480 get drunk and run naked up and down the 830 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,840 street no one was going to stop you i 831 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:48,399 mean 832 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:50,720 it was just you could basically do what 833 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,559 you want but that then anyone could do 834 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,399 whatever they wanted to you as well so i 835 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:54,880 mean you 836 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,919 could get stabbed in the area or 837 00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:00,399 um there was no point having anything of 838 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:01,039 value in 839 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,720 in your house at all because it would 840 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,799 get stolen people would break in we did 841 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:07,600 have like gangs coming into the house 842 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,440 sneakers lying on the floor a few feet 843 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:10,719 away from me 844 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,560 he too is now wide awake what the [ __ ] 845 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,079 was that he asks 846 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,639 i mumbled downstairs as i call out on my 847 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:17,359 sleeping bag 848 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:18,480 and over the yellow street lit 849 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,119 floorboards to the stairwell 850 00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:22,159 someone is running up out of the 851 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,079 darkness below behind them the inhuman 852 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:24,960 screaming 853 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,119 it is dog running towards us wide-eyed 854 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:28,000 with panic 855 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000 a bread bag of glue hanging from one arm 856 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,679 as his mouth opens and closes like a 857 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,199 fish on dry land 858 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,199 it's steve he says he told me to lock 859 00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:36,239 him in the cellar 860 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,399 he's going off his [ __ ] head it was a 861 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:39,679 crash and more wailing 862 00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,280 stickers appear beside me whilst norman 863 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,719 and k huddle in their corners blankets 864 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,159 wrapped around them 865 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,560 there's nothing we can do now i say best 866 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,760 leave until the morning 867 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,918 we tried to get some sleep steve 868 00:34:49,918 --> 00:34:51,119 robinson is the 869 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:53,199 bass player for disorder i met him 870 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:54,719 walking across city road the other day 871 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,239 he's slight and fahrity looking with an 872 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,839 intense angry glare 873 00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,320 he wears a studded leather jacket his 874 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:01,839 hair shaved at the size to leave a short 875 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:02,480 mohawk 876 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,800 what we call a borstal hecan the length 877 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,079 of the heating shows how long the man 878 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,680 has been out of prison 879 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,760 this is our first squat a derelict 880 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,599 four-story building in albert park just 881 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:12,880 off ashley road 882 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,400 both the stalking ground for prostitutes 883 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,160 and their punters 884 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,000 steve is a casual visitor he isn't 885 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,280 allowed to sniff around the disorder 886 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:19,839 squat 887 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:21,440 so they've grown tired of his displays 888 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680 of random violence and screaming fits 889 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,280 so we have the honor of his company by 890 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,440 default along with half a dozen other 891 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,880 vagrant youths moving in and out of the 892 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,720 place over the next few short weeks that 893 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,040 we are there 894 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,480 the disorder squat is just around the 895 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,640 corner in west grove a smaller place 896 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,079 with a resident hippie 897 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:40,560 jitter john he cooks up flower chapatis 898 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,160 on a small wood-burning stove whilst we 899 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,760 take a look upstairs 900 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,440 steve robertson and becky bondage share 901 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,520 a room one stained and damp mattress and 902 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,880 posters on the walls 903 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,520 these are the only furnishings here 904 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,960 becky is the singer for bristol's big 905 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,800 name punk band vice squad 906 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,480 we saw her on the way down the street or 907 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,160 at least her buttocks she pushed him out 908 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,480 the window to pee into the garden below 909 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,480 well they weren't just like normal a 910 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,839 normal punk band 911 00:36:03,839 --> 00:36:08,240 norman came over as sort of a emo type 912 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,079 human league when because human league 913 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,760 was actually cool i mean a lot of people 914 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,000 think 915 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,720 about the this sort of stylophone pop 916 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,160 that they turned out but before then 917 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,760 sort of being boiled 918 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,079 it was kind of very industrial and dark 919 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,680 more towards the sort of cavalry 920 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,440 voltaire side of 921 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,680 of uh electronic music that was the sort 922 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,760 of electro punk that was brewing 923 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,560 sort of post 77 um 924 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,520 and they weren't just drunk punks they 925 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,040 they seem to 926 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:40,480 have some kind of know sort of an idea 927 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,119 and a mission 928 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,400 coming to to the big town bristol to do 929 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,040 something 930 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,480 it wasn't quite clear what they wanted 931 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,160 to do but 932 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,760 and yeah they had like 933 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,599 they had their roots in music they had 934 00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:55,119 the band and 935 00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,960 um no just 936 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,520 interesting bunch of people not not the 937 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,400 normal 938 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,680 sort of punks that we were hanging 939 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,280 around with at the times of the post 940 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,640 7778 punks which were 941 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200 either absolute lunatics football 942 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,000 hooligans 943 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,240 or 944 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,079 yeah rejects really a lot of sort of 945 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,599 rejected people basically 946 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,079 they were slightly more intellectual and 947 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,040 just different 948 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,880 just a more interesting bunch more 949 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,400 creative they felt like 950 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,160 i'm more of a creative energy around 951 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,320 them i have a lot of really good 952 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:33,119 memories of 953 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,280 from that time and and like some of the 954 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200 sort of crazy antics and 955 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,119 with bands like disorder and and 956 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:44,320 um chaos uk and rocking used to go up 957 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:44,720 and 958 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:48,320 play dungeons and dragons with chaos 959 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,079 well stig and i used to get mashed out 960 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,560 of our face and probably why rockin's 961 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,440 memory of it as well isn't so you know 962 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,880 happy is because we were probably 963 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,920 oblivious to 964 00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,359 a lot of the crazy [ __ ] that was going 965 00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:00,880 on because we'd be out of our face a lot 966 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,800 of the time tonight 967 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,400 and it's a shame in some ways that we 968 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,920 were out of our face because there was a 969 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,839 lot of really good things that were 970 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:09,520 you know that that you you did get 971 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,280 involved with at the time 972 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440 yeah and and a lot of good gigs but 973 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,040 there weren't as many people as 974 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,440 who now claim to be have all these 975 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,720 people that say i wasn't maybe it's his 976 00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,240 first kick right or maybe it's his first 977 00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,520 gig man we'd be 978 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,839 rich 979 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,000 when people go oh that's not punk rock i 980 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,280 don't want to [ __ ] listen to that 981 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,880 that's the way it is because it wasn't 982 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960 it wasn't a popular thing then you know 983 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,599 it wasn't 984 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:36,079 was it it wasn't the you know what 985 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,760 everyone was into yes it definitely 986 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,280 inspired people i mean people like 987 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,640 antisect 988 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,680 came along yeah you know i mean 989 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,599 another band who had a brilliant sound 990 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,200 at the time and who would you know doing 991 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,160 something different and they'd been 992 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,200 through it a bit like 993 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,960 yeah and i think like stick said you 994 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,040 know at that time there was this whole 995 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,200 idea that maybe if it was like 996 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,359 loud and heavy you know crossing the 997 00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,839 sort of a narco thing with something 998 00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:00,560 that was 999 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,880 more metally than it it was a bit too 1000 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,480 macho and there was some people who were 1001 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,160 thinking that that was the case that you 1002 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:06,720 know 1003 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,520 maybe it's just too mature i i actually 1004 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:10,079 think the 1005 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,560 the amoebics were kind of rooted in it 1006 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:13,839 and i think that that gave them 1007 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:14,880 credibility 1008 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,720 for them to hang on to their fans when 1009 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:18,240 they went off to do something a bit 1010 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:18,800 different 1011 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,640 which was their first album that sort of 1012 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,160 more heavy metal 1013 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,599 that kind of crossover was already 1014 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:25,520 happening i know it's happening in 1015 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,040 america in a different way 1016 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,480 but i think it gave them credibility 1017 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,960 that they had that a sort of 1018 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,560 a narco pass that they had been 1019 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,480 squatters and stuff like that so 1020 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480 they had that credibility but they also 1021 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,079 seemed like they weren't part of it 1022 00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:39,839 anymore they seemed they sort of moved 1023 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:40,400 on 1024 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,359 they weren't openly political they 1025 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:45,359 didn't have a particularly political 1026 00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:46,960 politicized agenda 1027 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:48,079 they just seemed to be sort of 1028 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,480 reflecting the kind of 1029 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,119 um i don't know what you would call it 1030 00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:53,599 of that 1031 00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,440 particular moment of british history or 1032 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,960 or where 1033 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,480 you know culturally britain was at it 1034 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,000 was a pretty kind of bleak sort of 1035 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,359 moment in british history 1036 00:40:01,359 --> 00:40:05,040 um in terms of being young um 1037 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,599 mass unemployment you know there's 1038 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:08,640 general feeling that we were all sort of 1039 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,160 thrown onto the scrap heap there was a 1040 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,839 sort of mutterings of 1041 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:13,839 you know there is going to be a war 1042 00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:14,880 between russia 1043 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,960 uh the soviet union and the west you 1044 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,920 know it was kind of 1045 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,040 sort of bleak days really so um 1046 00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,800 a lot of the hopes of that narco scene 1047 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,160 would start to unravel 1048 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,240 you know um i think crass would have 1049 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,200 split up by that point at 84 or 1050 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,079 stop making records so the amoebics i 1051 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:33,359 think they kind of 1052 00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,200 in some ways captured that turning point 1053 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,040 i suppose of the movement of the 1054 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:38,000 maturing of the 1055 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,280 narco scene but um they did sort of 1056 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:41,839 represent 1057 00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:45,680 i believe a break from it to be honest 1058 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,599 it was a hell of a good punk scene it 1059 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,040 was a lot of bands 1060 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,400 a hell of a lot of energy 1061 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,599 loads of gigs all the time 1062 00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:59,760 and a good close-knit family of people 1063 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,880 there was a lot of people writing 1064 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000 fanzines there was a lot of people with 1065 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,960 you know independent record labels and a 1066 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,720 lot of bands came from that area of the 1067 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:09,760 country 1068 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,240 you know bristol baff and warminster 1069 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:18,160 so for that 40 mile radius 1070 00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:20,560 there was a huge number of great bands 1071 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,680 came from that area 1072 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,440 they didn't gig much and so there was a 1073 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,000 lot of anticipation around their music 1074 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,599 you know they were kind of they were 1075 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,359 slightly they weren't gigging all the 1076 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:31,200 time like disorder or gigging all the 1077 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,119 time like chaos uk so 1078 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:34,960 it felt like their gig was a real event 1079 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,560 and i think it was just after they 1080 00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,319 released that first album with the 1081 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:41,200 uh um with alternative tentacles and so 1082 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,560 it was like 1083 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:43,920 that album was kind of really 1084 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,599 anticipated at that time and everybody 1085 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:46,880 was very excited and they had a 1086 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,400 different sound about them they seem to 1087 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,720 be doing stuff quite differently 1088 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:52,319 i think one thing they did was they sort 1089 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:54,160 of brought together some different 1090 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,680 groups so that the bike has seen that 1091 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,599 they were into some of the sort of 1092 00:41:57,599 --> 00:41:59,280 x or periphery of people who were on the 1093 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,440 convoy the punk scene the sort of 1094 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,079 hardcore scene a lot of people they did 1095 00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:05,760 seem to be creating something new but 1096 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,920 it wasn't particularly accessible in 1097 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,520 terms of the scene i mean the thing with 1098 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,400 disorder 1099 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,160 chaos uk they were quite accessible as 1100 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,119 people quite easy to kind of approach 1101 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,280 um the amoebics always kind of seemed a 1102 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,839 bit like standoffish a bit separate 1103 00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:22,880 not so um like i said so accessible they 1104 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,800 were a bit kind of cooler dark glasses 1105 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,240 leather black leather 1106 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,280 you know which wasn't really what we 1107 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,000 were used to 1108 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,800 i suppose they were you know huddled in 1109 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,520 the corner and 1110 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,240 you know the [ __ ] was already had 1111 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,240 already overtaken them you know 1112 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:43,359 they were with you know winter and i 1113 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:45,280 mean 1114 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,119 [ __ ] you know i no words really to 1115 00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,760 describe the 1116 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,319 the power of the emotion of what they 1117 00:42:54,319 --> 00:42:56,319 what they do to us you know 1118 00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:00,160 it really isn't it's far beyond that 1119 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,079 truly you know the beginning of a rise 1120 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,839 you know the intro to arise i mean 1121 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,119 [ __ ] man is 1122 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,000 nothing peter definitely with with chris 1123 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:14,480 and 1124 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,119 he had his alastair crowley books and we 1125 00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:17,680 had 1126 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,520 kind of very very long conversations 1127 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,160 i wasn't really super interested in it 1128 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,520 but i knew they were and 1129 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,880 so i knew there was some 1130 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,880 some background there you know it was in 1131 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,920 the time when 1132 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,800 everything that came out in uh 1133 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,160 underground 1134 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,160 was always digested you know and 1135 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,440 everything came through 1136 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,640 i lived in a kind of a community um 1137 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,319 where neurosis started we lived in we 1138 00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,240 were in a warehouse with 1139 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,760 25 other people and a lot of different 1140 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,760 music was starting to happen at the time 1141 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:52,960 and we were always 1142 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960 it was all we did was music you know we 1143 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,400 just you know would work and 1144 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,960 work on music at night and bands all 1145 00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,760 practiced there 1146 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,520 and kind of created and so um 1147 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,640 and i remember i remember really clearly 1148 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,119 actually 1149 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,720 him putting on the meebix record seven 1150 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:23,420 inch i think it was no sanctuary 1151 00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:27,920 [Music] 1152 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,800 you know as i immediately grabbed me 1153 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:31,440 because 1154 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,119 of the the different sound to it it was 1155 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:36,319 slower 1156 00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:40,240 it was darker which is much along the 1157 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,400 lines of where my head was at at the 1158 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,480 time 1159 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,160 where my head is at permanently 1160 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,720 basically 1161 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,760 i i kind of immediately felt something 1162 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,240 in my 1163 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,200 in my soul um when i heard them that i 1164 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,800 hadn't really felt 1165 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,160 um with very many things 1166 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,400 um i don't really know what that is you 1167 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,280 know it's very 1168 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,400 much very earthy you know like very um 1169 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,200 it just i just just felt like a direct 1170 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,640 connection you know like sometimes you 1171 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,319 hear something and you just know 1172 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:17,520 like well this is this is for me 1173 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,119 this is something that i can really 1174 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:20,880 identify with 1175 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,240 chris's guitar playing was pretty good 1176 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,079 pretty superb because it was original 1177 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,599 and it's 1178 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,880 in like it had an inflection like 1179 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,280 celtic frost drumming it was a minute 1180 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,119 sound that was picked almost like 1181 00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:36,800 strumming but with notes 1182 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,280 and not chords there was an original 1183 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,040 guitar sound 1184 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,560 if he had been say okay he would have 1185 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,240 carried on to have been a brilliant 1186 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,119 brilliant musician because two albums it 1187 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:50,720 was good enough but he could have gone 1188 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:51,040 on 1189 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:52,720 further because monolith opened up the 1190 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:55,760 door to many possibilities 1191 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,119 there's so many things you think about 1192 00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:58,880 all the tight things you've done not not 1193 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,800 on purpose but just 1194 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,280 you know feces occurs you know it does 1195 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,160 [ __ ] happens 1196 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,839 you know and a lot of people have died 1197 00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:09,040 along the way and a lot of people have 1198 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,079 been 1199 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:11,760 not hurt by us but they were kind of 1200 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,280 people drawn to that sort of thing and 1201 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,599 it was 1202 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:17,119 yeah yeah we've had a good laugh but a 1203 00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:18,319 lot of people died along the way you 1204 00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:19,760 know it was 1205 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,520 some hard times and some 1206 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,880 but some funny times as well and you 1207 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,319 just end up smiling through the tears in 1208 00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:28,800 the end because what can you do you know 1209 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,119 no it wasn't it wasn't good it was you 1210 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,240 know what i've what i've said to people 1211 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:33,200 before is that 1212 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,680 the whole thing about bristol is it's 1213 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:36,960 something that 1214 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,640 it would have been much better if we'd 1215 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,960 had a year if we'd had a season in 1216 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,400 bristol you know 1217 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,720 um rather than four years the the the 1218 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:47,359 longer it went on there the more deeply 1219 00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:49,760 mired we became in this mud you know and 1220 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:50,480 it's 1221 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,079 it's unpleasant talking about it because 1222 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:57,440 it was just like just increasing despair 1223 00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,200 really i mean we had something going for 1224 00:46:59,200 --> 00:46:59,839 us in the 1225 00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:00,960 the fact that the band was going 1226 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,640 somewhere but looking back on it we were 1227 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:03,599 just getting 1228 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,359 deeper and deeper and deeper in this 1229 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:07,040 sludge you know 1230 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,319 the the the image that that i sometimes 1231 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:10,960 use is 1232 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,640 just just a dead city walking around 1233 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,040 um in between different squats and 1234 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,640 everybody's asleep eventually you know 1235 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,680 everybody's [ __ ] 1236 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,880 gouched out there's just drugs 1237 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,200 pulling the soul out of the whole place 1238 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,000 the 1239 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,200 the whole creative impetus of the 1240 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,880 bristol scene just getting 1241 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,720 drained away by this perpetual 1242 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,440 [ __ ] erosion of drugs you know of 1243 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,000 smack 1244 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,800 culture of the selfish [ __ ] nihilism 1245 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,160 or the whole thing you know 1246 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,960 i don't have much i don't have much 1247 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,960 sentimentality toward bristol at all it 1248 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,800 was a very very hard time 1249 00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,359 there was constant insecurity constant 1250 00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:57,440 um constant trouble you know 1251 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,040 by that time the punk metal crossover 1252 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:01,599 thing had 1253 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,720 taken off in this country in europe and 1254 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:05,280 i think 1255 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,880 somewhat they were forerunners of that 1256 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,880 as well 1257 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,960 so they they appealed to a more to a 1258 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,960 more metal audience as well 1259 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,200 not just that standard punk rock 1260 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,680 audience 1261 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,920 and uh i think they've taken punk rock 1262 00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,839 to a different vein as well you know 1263 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,440 it wasn't three chord punk rock and it 1264 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,640 wasn't 1265 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,119 real like crusty core 1266 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,880 and it wasn't them like the american 1267 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960 hardcore it was i think they were 1268 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,559 they were very unique a very unique 1269 00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:42,880 sound 1270 00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,200 and they were great they were great at 1271 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,880 it you know fantastic musicians 1272 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,839 fantastic people 1273 00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:56,000 [Music] 1274 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,200 because i remember at the time there was 1275 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,079 the there was a lot of what 1276 00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:03,920 anarchists found around and i 1277 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,160 personally i was i was always interested 1278 00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,800 in in heavy metal as a musical 1279 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,640 form but i thought the lyrics were [ __ ] 1280 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,839 you know throwing 1281 00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:13,440 every minute were pathetic at that time 1282 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,359 definitely you know more so 1283 00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:16,559 than now maybe there's a lot of [ __ ] 1284 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:17,920 around now but you know i'm not down 1285 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,760 with the kids i don't know 1286 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,559 but um i thought that i used to love all 1287 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,240 black sabbath i liked the way that 1288 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:25,839 the music made you feel something rather 1289 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,359 than just the words 1290 00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,280 and i'd listen to something like crass 1291 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,640 or whatever and i like grass you know 1292 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,280 but 1293 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,720 the words would make you still feel 1294 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,000 something but the music really didn't 1295 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,960 have 1296 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,920 much of a resonance you know like in 1297 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:38,559 deep 1298 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:40,480 you know that's that's why i thought 1299 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,480 let's try and do something a bit more 1300 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,160 powerful musically and we can make good 1301 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,040 lyrics and good music to kind of 1302 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:48,480 get a bit of force together you know to 1303 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,319 really push a point home 1304 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:53,359 with some a bit of intensity you know so 1305 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:54,800 even if you couldn't understand english 1306 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,400 you'd understand basically 1307 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,760 the song was saying this or that was 1308 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,440 going this or that way 1309 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,160 for us when we first started neurosis 1310 00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,480 we were looking to 1311 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,000 build a foundation for a project 1312 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,839 that would last for our lifetimes and 1313 00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:20,160 we were able to separate 1314 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,520 about six bands from 1315 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,760 all the other music that we knew of and 1316 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,839 say okay these 1317 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,960 are the things that that we these are 1318 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,119 band these are examples you know 1319 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,359 people who came before us who did things 1320 00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:36,160 that we 1321 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,040 really respected for any number of ways 1322 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:40,400 and um 1323 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,480 amoebics was at the top of that list 1324 00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:43,599 because 1325 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:48,000 of the the power of what they did 1326 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,680 and you know i really 1327 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,040 one of the things that i really liked 1328 00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,800 about them 1329 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,599 and one of the things that we were never 1330 00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,280 interested in doing was getting involved 1331 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,559 in any sort of real 1332 00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,400 politics with our music because we felt 1333 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,240 that you know music needed to transcend 1334 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,319 all politics and just be 1335 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:09,839 emotion driven communication 1336 00:51:09,839 --> 00:51:13,520 um to a larger you know group of 1337 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,040 of people and amoebics would at the time 1338 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,040 there was a lot of very political stuff 1339 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,760 especially 1340 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,640 punk rock whatever you want to call it 1341 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,800 scene and a lot of 1342 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,040 anti-religion uh 1343 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,800 stuff going on and amoebics were kind of 1344 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,400 had stepped beyond that 1345 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,520 and they were basically writing 1346 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,240 for my interpretation these almost 1347 00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:40,960 religious 1348 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:51,839 songs but from a pagan perspective 1349 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:07,119 but there contribution was 1350 00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,680 totally unique in that in that way 1351 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:10,319 because they 1352 00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:13,280 again they didn't come from this super 1353 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,160 political thing 1354 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,520 there's a little bit in there at the 1355 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,680 beginning you can tell that they have 1356 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,440 this tie to it and 1357 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,480 and i know from watching uh what the 1358 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,319 [ __ ] movie is it's uk dk 1359 00:52:24,319 --> 00:52:28,319 where they're with disorder and you know 1360 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,079 and living together or something you 1361 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,720 know at that time that that's their 1362 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,520 that's kind of their tribe you know but 1363 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,880 something happened to them that 1364 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,319 which i have no uh knowledge of 1365 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:46,800 that that brought them to a more primal 1366 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,280 pagan 1367 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:53,280 warrior sort of 1368 00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,920 sound and communication you know 1369 00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,200 whereas everybody else was kind of 1370 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,280 getting caught up in details 1371 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,119 they were just like way past that 1372 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:06,000 immediately 1373 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:15,839 you know 1374 00:53:26,839 --> 00:53:29,310 so 1375 00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:32,420 [Music] 1376 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:33,760 i just want to make music that was 1377 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000 extremely powerful so i want 1378 00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,359 personally i wanted a mixture of because 1379 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:38,480 i used to take a lot of acid and i used 1380 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:39,839 to love to listen to black sabbath on 1381 00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:40,319 that one 1382 00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:42,240 taking acid and it's really really 1383 00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:44,400 cranked up full volume you know 1384 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,680 because it's almost frightening you know 1385 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:46,640 some of that music because it's 1386 00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:47,839 especially when you're dripping it 1387 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:48,720 off and you've got hairs on the back of 1388 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:51,520 your neck and oh [ __ ] you know you know 1389 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,720 i thought i want to get that sound with 1390 00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:54,559 a medicine that heavy oh 1391 00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,400 you know but with less [ __ ] lyrics 1392 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,000 basically that was kind of my deal with 1393 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,559 it 1394 00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,440 and it and it wasn't really discussed me 1395 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,040 and rob just knew what we wanted to do 1396 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,640 you know so me and him had these ideas 1397 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,240 between us you know and we didn't really 1398 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:07,440 have to even talk about it you know when 1399 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:08,480 you 1400 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:09,599 there's something about taking acid 1401 00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:10,800 together you don't even need to discuss 1402 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,920 things you sit and listen to a piece of 1403 00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,280 music you're just going 1404 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200 [ __ ] yeah you know what i mean that's 1405 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,800 the [ __ ] way man that's it you know 1406 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,440 like 1407 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,319 i said sabbath bloody stuff i love that 1408 00:54:20,319 --> 00:54:21,760 riff man it's a [ __ ] menstruation 1409 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,960 especially want me to sit around eating 1410 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,040 nasty just listen to that 1411 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,720 we used to take acid from about like two 1412 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:27,760 o'clock in the morning and then sit 1413 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,800 around and watch the sun come up you 1414 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:29,280 know in st 1415 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,319 paul's the 1416 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:35,680 music that we've been playing um prior 1417 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,839 the releases that we put out before as i 1418 00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:38,880 tried to explain 1419 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,559 they had this sort of desperate um 1420 00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,400 desperate songwriting qualities and then 1421 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,839 there was nothing was really cohesive 1422 00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:47,680 nothing was really tight 1423 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,160 we'd been putting together the the ideas 1424 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,599 and the songs for a rise 1425 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,799 when neil announced in radstock one one 1426 00:54:54,799 --> 00:54:56,079 time after he and i had been living 1427 00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:57,920 there in these sort of pretty much 1428 00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,400 squat conditions but in a village but 1429 00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,000 quite happily you know he just announced 1430 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,200 that he'd had enough and he was going 1431 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,079 back to 1432 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,559 cleveland or wherever it was at the time 1433 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:07,359 um 1434 00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:08,559 left us having to look for another 1435 00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,960 drummer and we we asked some of the guys 1436 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,839 that we knew 1437 00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:13,680 in the in the bath circuit and they said 1438 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,680 oh well there's this guy from a band 1439 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:16,400 called scum 1440 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,720 called dumb spider you know maybe go and 1441 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:19,760 approach him so 1442 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,000 they had they had this sort of weird 1443 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:22,880 kind of bar 1444 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,799 particular bath type of squat which is 1445 00:55:24,799 --> 00:55:26,240 very quite nice you know 1446 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,920 on the edge of the railway there and 1447 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,280 went around to see him 1448 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,040 gave him a tape and he was just like 1449 00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,480 spiders the spider has always been 1450 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:32,960 spidey 1451 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,280 he's just missed a regular guy you know 1452 00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,960 he's i'm a drummer and a band i like 1453 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,400 drumming in the band he's brilliant 1454 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,839 absolute [ __ ] sort of the earth you 1455 00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:41,839 know we clicked straight away 1456 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:44,400 um gave him the tape and he came back 1457 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:45,760 and he started practicing with us 1458 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,440 and what he did was he brought us a 1459 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,440 solid beat in we were doing you know 1460 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,839 basically no more of this pissing around 1461 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:53,359 on the toms it was just 1462 00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:55,119 it was more of a more of a rock rock 1463 00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:56,559 steady kind of thing you know 1464 00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,480 so applying that to the the songs that 1465 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,559 we're writing and finding out you know 1466 00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,720 first chorus first chorus middle eight 1467 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:04,400 making things exciting making them 1468 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,880 dynamic really having having a drummer 1469 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,720 and this new energetic force there gave 1470 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,160 us the opportunity to 1471 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,799 to really um really explore the sound 1472 00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:13,359 that we 1473 00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:16,799 that we wanted that's when we started to 1474 00:56:16,799 --> 00:56:18,240 hang around in bath a bit more and met 1475 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,839 spider on that you know so 1476 00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:21,119 something got spider drumming for us 1477 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,400 that's when we started to get it really 1478 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,599 sorted out the sound i think it got a 1479 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,920 lot better than you know 1480 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,200 because with virus it was a bit it was a 1481 00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,400 good drummer on that but it was a sloppy 1482 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:29,440 kind of style because he was used to 1483 00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,000 playing that very 1484 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:31,680 fast punk rock for disorder you know so 1485 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,799 when it came down to playing something a 1486 00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:33,200 bit 1487 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,960 of a different speed it was good but it 1488 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,240 was 1489 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,200 i don't know it could have done with a 1490 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,400 bit more an edge to it and i was glad 1491 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:39,280 that we got spider 1492 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,319 though virus was good you know i was 1493 00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:45,839 glad we got spiders which is that um 1494 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,640 no sanctuary we did that i can't 1495 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,680 remember who paid for that one i don't 1496 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:50,720 know if we paid for that 1497 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:51,760 because that's the thing with the movie 1498 00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,599 it could have been the production could 1499 00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:54,960 have been a lot better on our records 1500 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:55,520 that's the 1501 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,000 only thing that i do get pissed off 1502 00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,440 about sometimes i think [ __ ] hell the 1503 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,799 man that sounds so [ __ ] 1504 00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:02,559 but it could have been so much more 1505 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:04,000 powerful you know but if we'd had the 1506 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,520 money and it's just 1507 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,119 it's recorded with our gyros usually we 1508 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,400 just put like four or five gyros 1509 00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,599 together and save off the money for a 1510 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:11,839 couple of weeks or whatever you know 1511 00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:15,280 arise was clearly a uh 1512 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,720 more of a refined beast than 1513 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,680 uh winter who's the enemy or even no 1514 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,920 sanctuary which kind of pointed in that 1515 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,960 direction 1516 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,640 it was a little more honed they had a 1517 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,480 little bit more of a focus of what they 1518 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,920 wanted to do 1519 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,200 it was starting to go a bit in a metal 1520 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,000 direction 1521 00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,599 but it was still very crude 1522 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:40,319 very raw and in a way a distinct 1523 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:43,119 advantage that stig was not a 1524 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:45,839 flashy fleet-fingered guitar player who 1525 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,920 could put in a lot of wanky solos it 1526 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,280 just was this 1527 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,960 collective thing that nobody else really 1528 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,040 had by that time it would be it would 1529 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,079 become quite 1530 00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:59,760 rigorous in the um its own introspection 1531 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,200 that that whole scene 1532 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,680 um and claustrophobic because there were 1533 00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,359 so many people making up rules about 1534 00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:06,720 what you could say what you could think 1535 00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,079 how you could express yourself 1536 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:09,839 what you could wear what you should be 1537 00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:11,599 eating and all these [ __ ] micro 1538 00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,400 microcosmic rules that you were all of a 1539 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,000 sudden faced with from a 1540 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,720 a yeah a free thinking philosophy that 1541 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,000 originally started out and 1542 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,400 really had inspired us as a band to say 1543 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,079 create your own music create your own 1544 00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:25,760 identity and then to find yourself 1545 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,440 in this cul-de-sac of conformity within 1546 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,839 you know a so-called experimental and 1547 00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:32,559 interesting 1548 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,400 and a live scene which was gradually 1549 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,079 dying which gradually choking itself 1550 00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:37,040 with its own 1551 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,240 um with its own uh will will for 1552 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:41,760 conformity really 1553 00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,040 we really needed to to stay outside of 1554 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:45,599 that 1555 00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:47,599 and i think it was a difficult step for 1556 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:48,799 a lot of people to accept what we were 1557 00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:50,319 doing we got slagged off 1558 00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:53,119 really badly for a rise by um by some 1559 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:54,400 people when it came out they couldn't 1560 00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:04,530 stand it at all they just didn't like 1561 00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:16,839 [Music] 1562 00:59:16,839 --> 00:59:18,620 so 1563 00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:50,090 [Music] 1564 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:58,839 [Music] 1565 00:59:58,839 --> 01:00:00,020 eyes 1566 01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:12,839 [Music] 1567 01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:15,839 what 1568 01:00:16,470 --> 01:00:20,050 [Music] 1569 01:00:26,839 --> 01:00:27,950 is 1570 01:00:27,950 --> 01:00:31,030 [Music] 1571 01:00:33,450 --> 01:00:40,799 [Music] 1572 01:00:40,839 --> 01:00:41,870 me 1573 01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:47,300 [Music] 1574 01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:54,839 [Music] 1575 01:00:54,839 --> 01:00:57,839 is 1576 01:01:00,950 --> 01:01:08,839 [Music] 1577 01:01:08,839 --> 01:01:11,839 out 1578 01:01:12,290 --> 01:01:15,429 [Music] 1579 01:01:50,839 --> 01:01:53,510 is 1580 01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:56,629 [Music] 1581 01:02:04,839 --> 01:02:07,839 one 1582 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:21,920 mix was a very foundational piece in our 1583 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,760 uh growing as men and spirituality 1584 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,359 you know a very influential piece and 1585 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:31,119 when you're when you're young men you 1586 01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,920 know or young people you're looking for 1587 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,119 you're looking for your tribe you're 1588 01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:36,640 looking for who your people are for who 1589 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,000 your brothers are that you're going to 1590 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:38,640 be with 1591 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,000 you know for the rest of your life the 1592 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,839 people are going to have your back 1593 01:02:41,839 --> 01:02:43,680 and we were looking for that i think in 1594 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,119 our different ways and we were looking 1595 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:45,520 for 1596 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,520 um a sense of who our tribe was 1597 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,680 and part of that we found just an 1598 01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,520 independent music in general you know 1599 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,000 i'd say 1600 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,359 you know a lot of the people we've met 1601 01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:56,799 who we hold dear over the years are 1602 01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,960 involved in independent music 1603 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,039 uh you know brothers we've toured with 1604 01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:02,640 and and what have you 1605 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,880 um and i but i think that was kind of 1606 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:05,920 the soundtrack 1607 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,079 at that time of who our tribe might be 1608 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:09,280 out there you know 1609 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,559 the people that we'll meet around the 1610 01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,559 world might all just have something in 1611 01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,240 common with this music 1612 01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:17,520 you know because it was uh especially 1613 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:19,280 from an american point of view you have 1614 01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,400 a tendency to mythologize what you can't 1615 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,000 be near i'm sure it's different for 1616 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,680 people uh 1617 01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,960 who grew up in england but for me i i 1618 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,119 kind of mythologized the 1619 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,599 english music and something thinking oh 1620 01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:34,799 that you know 1621 01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:38,400 amoebics has that same kind of 1622 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,680 ancient stone stonehenge festival vibe 1623 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:42,079 that 1624 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:45,839 the early hawkwind stuff had and that um 1625 01:03:45,839 --> 01:03:47,599 other guitar driven psychedelic music 1626 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,240 had it felt like it had the celtic soul 1627 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,520 or the saxon soul in the music 1628 01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,720 there was something in it that could 1629 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,640 have only happened on this place 1630 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,160 you know and for those of us looking 1631 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,200 back over the water for our roots 1632 01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,839 uh that was extremely important to try 1633 01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:05,680 to think that you might 1634 01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:07,119 have something in common with this other 1635 01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,359 group of people over there who are 1636 01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:12,400 closer to the source we were just 1637 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,000 rocking out you know 1638 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,160 just [ __ ] tracking we were just 1639 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:17,280 really 1640 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,000 just right into it it was um i was 1641 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,599 always overwhelmed by the music you know 1642 01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:22,240 if you get 1643 01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,160 if you get a good pa and you you get the 1644 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,280 equipment working right and you've got 1645 01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,640 the volume right up and it's all clear 1646 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,280 and stuff 1647 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,359 you just get completely buzzed up by the 1648 01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:30,720 whole thing and it was 1649 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,319 an electric and an electrifying 1650 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:33,760 experience to be able to play 1651 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,039 some some songs yeah were 1652 01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:38,960 so powerful to play live they were just 1653 01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,240 the hairs are standing up on the back of 1654 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,440 your neck as you're playing this stuff 1655 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,720 and it was really 1656 01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,960 manifesting presence for us you know we 1657 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,440 we drew everything up from from 1658 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,880 within ourselves and tried to get it 1659 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:55,839 there in that room 1660 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,480 i always liked the things that i 1661 01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,119 discovered in punk rock that had 1662 01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:40,799 bigger guitar sound you know they've 1663 01:05:40,799 --> 01:05:42,559 been a more uh 1664 01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,799 thunderous thing and it had the texture 1665 01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:47,760 that you liked from motorhead or venom 1666 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,039 but it had you knew it had the ethics 1667 01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,640 from the do-it-yourself mentality 1668 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,400 because of the the scene it was coming 1669 01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,920 from it was coming from 1670 01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,039 you know the english craft southern 1671 01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,280 records kind of 1672 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:07,440 scene but then like scott said it was uh 1673 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,520 it brought to mind something deeper it 1674 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,280 brought to mind even though it said no 1675 01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,359 gods no masters to me it brought to my 1676 01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:19,839 mind pagan gods 1677 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,760 the unconscious um 1678 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,640 stuff that was uh it's difficult to 1679 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,680 explain but the 1680 01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:43,440 um the the the spiritual element of amex 1681 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:44,319 if you like 1682 01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:48,160 um was uh an integral part of everything 1683 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:49,599 that we did 1684 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,480 it was like stig and i were both very 1685 01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:53,200 much 1686 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,440 tuned in to the same place when we were 1687 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:56,319 playing 1688 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:59,920 and it's like we we saw the same pot 1689 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,440 that we were drawing from 1690 01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,039 and we knew that that was there we 1691 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:04,480 didn't know quite how it worked but we 1692 01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:04,799 knew 1693 01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:06,640 that we were trying to draw energy up 1694 01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,160 from this source and 1695 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,839 that we were aware that it was um 1696 01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:14,960 it was like like the the group 1697 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,799 unconscious of the band itself if you 1698 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:18,559 like you know our connection with the 1699 01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,280 the the the deeper root of things i mean 1700 01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:22,799 i always take all those things as with a 1701 01:07:22,799 --> 01:07:24,880 picture so i'm an atheist you know and 1702 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:25,680 i'm i'm 1703 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,559 i believe i don't believe in in mystical 1704 01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:29,680 mumbo jumbo 1705 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:31,359 to me it's just nonsense i don't believe 1706 01:07:31,359 --> 01:07:32,960 that fairies at the end of the garden 1707 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,640 and i don't believe in jesus christ and 1708 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,160 i certainly don't believe 1709 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:40,319 that there's some uh um you know kind of 1710 01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:42,720 underlying dark spiritual currents man 1711 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,680 you know people do 1712 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,760 bad things and you'll attract bad stuff 1713 01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,119 you know that's my view 1714 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,799 um so i don't necessarily you know 1715 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:53,760 missed the mystique of the amoebics no i 1716 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,839 i don't buy it at all 1717 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,640 after a rise was recorded that was our 1718 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:07,839 kind of 1719 01:08:07,839 --> 01:08:11,520 seminal album i think then it kind of 1720 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,280 went down a bit then we recorded 1721 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,560 monolith which is in a different league 1722 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,279 i think monolith was a brilliant album 1723 01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:19,600 but 1724 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,880 different and not as good as the rise 1725 01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,319 either really was it well 1726 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:27,839 i don't know you say not as good 1727 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:29,759 i don't know i wouldn't like to say that 1728 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,439 i could listen to the risers of fans i 1729 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:32,000 suppose 1730 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,319 is that there's a rise there on modern 1731 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,040 affair 1732 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,120 and we kind of peaked about there you 1733 01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:38,479 know what i mean 1734 01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:41,439 but after monolith we kind of started to 1735 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,439 run out of ideas really we tried 1736 01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:47,359 different ideas and thought this ain't 1737 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:48,960 working 1738 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,279 so we decided to knock it on there then 1739 01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:52,158 it was either that 1740 01:08:52,158 --> 01:08:54,880 we do more of the same which wasn't yeah 1741 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,319 we decided to quit 1742 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,359 while the government was good basically 1743 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,839 bath changed everything bath bath gave 1744 01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:02,640 us 1745 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,839 i don't know it's it's exactly the other 1746 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:07,120 the other side of the coin when i think 1747 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:07,679 about it 1748 01:09:07,679 --> 01:09:09,279 you know if i look at bristol i see 1749 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,238 bristol as cold hard winters 1750 01:09:12,238 --> 01:09:15,679 difficult um yeah streets full of 1751 01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,238 wind and rain just desperate times 1752 01:09:18,238 --> 01:09:18,799 always 1753 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:21,198 constantly hung hungry constantly bloody 1754 01:09:21,198 --> 01:09:21,920 skin 1755 01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,158 uh always trying to get the next thing 1756 01:09:24,158 --> 01:09:24,960 together 1757 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,479 and bath was a yeah aqua solace is 1758 01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:35,838 the image of the sun 1759 01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,880 the idealism started to break up in some 1760 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,279 ways i just it just felt 1761 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:43,600 all very very wrong in in some ways we 1762 01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,120 went from 1763 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,040 it felt like something that was creative 1764 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,520 and good went into 1765 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,880 it felt like it was it was being 1766 01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:54,238 corrupted in in some ways by 1767 01:09:54,238 --> 01:09:57,760 kind of the sort of this traveling 1768 01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,679 attitude kind of thing a lot of the punk 1769 01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:03,120 sort of moved into the traveling scene 1770 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,320 um started dealing drugs it 1771 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,400 it just felt all wrong at that point as 1772 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,679 it was kind of a split 1773 01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:12,159 off point for me in in some ways i came 1774 01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:14,719 in about 1987 1775 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:17,040 basically i i met spontaneous stig at a 1776 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,159 party 1777 01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:20,320 and um i was playing in a band at time 1778 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,000 and we were talking he said about 1779 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:22,880 supporting them 1780 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,440 send a tape sort of thing so i went back 1781 01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:26,960 to them because they're a metal band 1782 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:27,199 they 1783 01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:29,600 i had a bit of a ride with them about uh 1784 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,199 and they would they want to play with a 1785 01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:32,560 punk band 1786 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,080 so i left and so i sent stick a note 1787 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,640 saying sorry mate you know um 1788 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:42,320 i uh can't do it because i'm got a band 1789 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:43,040 anymore 1790 01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,040 and they asked me if if i fancy playing 1791 01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,080 keyboards playing fl 1792 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,560 mined on play seen a keyboard before i 1793 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,159 was a bass player 1794 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,880 i thought why not you know and then um 1795 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,440 what's it about a week later i met you 1796 01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:57,600 he was handed out flyers a gig that was 1797 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,880 a weird wallet yeah 1798 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,640 i just joined this man he said oh i'm 1799 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:02,480 the drummer you know because he hadn't 1800 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:05,360 been told daddy 1801 01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:07,440 of course then he went and punched me 1802 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:09,120 outside washing that bike didn't you 1803 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:09,560 flatter 1804 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,800 yeah cold we've been friends ever since 1805 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,719 i'd seen amoebics loads of times before 1806 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:30,640 because i was i was in previous bands 1807 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,400 before and i just thought they were 1808 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:32,880 [ __ ] 1809 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,560 amazing really i couldn't really work 1810 01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:36,640 amex out i didn't know what they were 1811 01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:38,159 all about you know they were there was 1812 01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:42,080 something mysterious about amoebics 1813 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:44,880 and then someone said do you want to 1814 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:45,440 join 1815 01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:49,280 us and i said so it's a learning 1816 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,930 process really it's [ __ ] great yeah 1817 01:11:54,930 --> 01:11:57,280 [Music] 1818 01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,600 i was in the thrash metal at the time i 1819 01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:03,520 came from a wooden background myself 1820 01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,920 still got a wooden head to go with it 1821 01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:09,760 whatever 1822 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,640 stig really still wanted to be playing 1823 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:12,960 so 1824 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,360 he's he went into forming a band with 1825 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:16,640 zygote with spider 1826 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:18,480 they still wanted to keep things going i 1827 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:21,679 was in the situation where 1828 01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:24,159 it was both the the the inspiration had 1829 01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:25,760 dried up but also the fact that i was in 1830 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:27,440 this relationship which was 1831 01:12:27,440 --> 01:12:31,600 really uh really asking a lot of me as a 1832 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,560 young man who had 1833 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,239 previously known no responsibilities 1834 01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,880 whatsoever all of a sudden to have i've 1835 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,960 landed in a situation where i had a 1836 01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:40,320 woman who was wanting a serious 1837 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:41,120 relationship 1838 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,560 with whom i had a child um against my 1839 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,000 express [ __ ] wishes initially um 1840 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,560 and who all of a sudden gave me a big 1841 01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,920 bundle of this stuff called 1842 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,600 responsibility and 1843 01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,440 a relationship to the so-called real 1844 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:56,960 world which i hadn't had up until that 1845 01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:57,520 moment 1846 01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,960 i've been living this really strange 1847 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,880 fringe existence ever since leaving 1848 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,120 school um and then all of a sudden to be 1849 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,080 landed with this 1850 01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,000 with a big blow around the head which is 1851 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,280 you know you're going to need to get a 1852 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:09,920 job 1853 01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:11,120 you're going to need to be a proper 1854 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,560 upstanding citizen you've got to be 1855 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:13,920 [ __ ] adult about this 1856 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,600 and yeah sure she was right but also 1857 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,320 what that did was it sucked or 1858 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,400 sucked all of the the the juice out of 1859 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,080 the creative vein that we had tapped 1860 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,520 until it was just this with a little 1861 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:25,199 stump you know 1862 01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:27,199 maybe it's like you know with people 1863 01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,199 people who die young get remembered as 1864 01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:30,640 being something brilliant 1865 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,320 and i think with bands amoebics are a 1866 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,239 bit like that you know they're like 1867 01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,520 because they died young they'll 1868 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,199 they've they've left something which 1869 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:42,400 stands shoulders above the rest 1870 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:44,000 i think another thing that's kept 1871 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,440 amoebics music 1872 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:48,480 and vision alive is people including 1873 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:49,199 myself 1874 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:52,560 are always deeply drawn into the artwork 1875 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,840 it doesn't look like other hardcore 1876 01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:58,400 or a narco punk artwork it doesn't look 1877 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,000 like puss head it doesn't look 1878 01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,360 like mad mark roode or ray pettibone or 1879 01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:06,239 winston smith it was something very very 1880 01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,880 different and when we were getting ready 1881 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,000 to 1882 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,320 release a rise on alternative tentacles 1883 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,600 i i 1884 01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,920 rob was the only person i ever made the 1885 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,560 offer to that he ought to redraw the a t 1886 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,880 bat logo just for the amoebics release i 1887 01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,400 thought that would have been really cool 1888 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,199 but 1889 01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:26,239 i guess they decided not to do that the 1890 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:27,679 artwork 1891 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:30,320 has been on patches and bootleg t-shirts 1892 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:31,760 and real t-shirts 1893 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,520 ever since and i think a lot of the 1894 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,600 people who 1895 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,000 are drawn to that in this case anyway 1896 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,560 are also drawn to the band themselves 1897 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,640 because people clearly are still 1898 01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,239 listening to them to this day and 1899 01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:46,000 getting something out of the amoebics 1900 01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,280 they're not getting anywhere else 1901 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,719 things went wrong after the band split 1902 01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:55,520 for me personally getting stuck in a 1903 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,199 difficult relationship 1904 01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,719 uh moving into a house and i found it 1905 01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:00,400 difficult to afford to run having to get 1906 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:00,800 a 1907 01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:04,400 proper job in a factory uh then working 1908 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,320 in a you know as builders labourer doing 1909 01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,840 this doing that doing anything i could 1910 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:09,120 for money 1911 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,520 but being very unhappy basically and 1912 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:12,400 really stuck 1913 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,000 in in in an unhappy part of my life 1914 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,360 um eventually split up and i was on my 1915 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,159 own 1916 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:22,159 and i ended up having this a bike 1917 01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:23,280 accident 1918 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,679 i broke my arm trashed the bike even my 1919 01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:26,880 clothes were ripped to pieces so i had 1920 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,120 absolutely nothing left 1921 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,280 and for funny it was it really it was a 1922 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,960 real big epiphany in my life i 1923 01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,040 i am i i was finally you know 1924 01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:38,960 right down on my ass with nothing 1925 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,199 nothing to to show for a life at all 1926 01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:43,120 um and just thought well [ __ ] i'll go up 1927 01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,280 the sky visit my folks up here because i 1928 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:46,239 had six weeks off 1929 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,239 for my work because of the broken arm 1930 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:49,280 and and maybe 1931 01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:51,520 you know maybe something will happen 1932 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,280 when i got here i just thought 1933 01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:54,880 take the hint do something different 1934 01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,719 change your life just um 1935 01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:58,239 this is an opportunity you know the door 1936 01:15:58,239 --> 01:16:00,400 only opens once for you for you to see 1937 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:03,920 and and i jumped maybe if i was 21 and 1938 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:05,920 really oh my god man you know they've 1939 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,520 sold out but i don't think they've sold 1940 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,199 out i mean rob's a decent person he's 1941 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:10,719 not living in some palace he's not 1942 01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:12,239 driving some 1943 01:16:12,239 --> 01:16:14,719 some rolls royce i mean this is a guy 1944 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:15,920 with a family to 1945 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,480 to provide for and he's trying to do a 1946 01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:20,080 you know decent thing and i think 1947 01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,679 it was really important for them to kind 1948 01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:23,199 of get a proper closure 1949 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,679 around this you know we can't live on 1950 01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,760 some utopian fantasy 1951 01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,000 about what we expect scenes and people 1952 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:30,800 to be like 1953 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,239 we've got to be realistic we're all 1954 01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:34,400 human beings and like i said i'm really 1955 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:35,440 supportive of it and 1956 01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:37,120 i wouldn't tell those people to shut up 1957 01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,440 but i just say get a bit of perspective 1958 01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:40,080 on it you know 1959 01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,760 develop a bit of maturity around what 1960 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:43,280 you're thinking and saying and then 1961 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,000 maybe 1962 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,840 people might take you your comments a 1963 01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,280 bit more seriously 1964 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,040 we swear allegiance to none be not 1965 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,400 become you know 1966 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,159 we haven't really got no allegiance to 1967 01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:54,159 anybody except ourselves in the end and 1968 01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:55,199 that 1969 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:56,400 and that's the truth at the end of the 1970 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:57,760 day there's a universal truth in it you 1971 01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,199 know however close you are with your 1972 01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:00,000 friends when you 1973 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:01,280 you know you're born alone and you die 1974 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,199 alone you have to be 1975 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:04,719 you have to be an ally to yourself in 1976 01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:06,960 the end and that 1977 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:08,159 and that's certainly true for me because 1978 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,000 i think maybe i'm getting a bit of my 1979 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,159 own ass about all this but 1980 01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:13,679 i don't know how people perceive us or 1981 01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:15,360 how they possibly think that we are or 1982 01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,239 what they think 1983 01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:18,719 that we feel or that with dark satanic 1984 01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,400 people or whatever you know i don't know 1985 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:21,280 how i'm thought 1986 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:24,400 you know so i can't it's kind of hard 1987 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,000 for me to answer 1988 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,120 these things you know maybe in a way 1989 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:31,280 that people understand honestly 1990 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:35,040 i've done some weird [ __ ] we've done 1991 01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:36,320 good things for bad reasons and bad 1992 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:37,760 things for good reasons we will help you 1993 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,600 know 1994 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,480 life's tough get through it but i think 1995 01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,000 amiibos definitely kept me going in the 1996 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,600 time i was just [ __ ] despair and 1997 01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:46,800 giving up all together you know 1998 01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,280 you've got to have something to to live 1999 01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,080 for 2000 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,760 if you look at the artwork from amoebic 2001 01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:52,960 stuff it's you know it's just 2002 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,320 chock-a-block with these 2003 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,159 swords and axes and spears and all these 2004 01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,320 weird sort of images which are 2005 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,480 just underneath the surface and when i 2006 01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,159 arrived on sky i 2007 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:03,679 met up with this guy who was really into 2008 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:05,840 his mythology and and 2009 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,159 other sort of esoteric um lines of 2010 01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:09,679 inquiry as well 2011 01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:11,840 he really encouraged me to to think 2012 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:12,960 about 2013 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,880 what i what i fancy doing which was i 2014 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,320 thought you know i'd love to be able to 2015 01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:17,360 make a sword 2016 01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:19,600 uh at that time there was no internet or 2017 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,880 anything like that so 2018 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,960 i um i looked for information for 2019 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,400 library books and things like that that 2020 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:25,600 could um 2021 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:27,600 show me how to do this uh it was very 2022 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,040 very difficult to find but eventually 2023 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:30,159 got got some books 2024 01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:31,600 and started up making a little forge 2025 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,560 just for fun really and um 2026 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,400 uh practice and practice and practice 2027 01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:38,320 and now you know what i do 2028 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,520 is recognize worldwide for the the basic 2029 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,360 the the quality of the work that i do 2030 01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:44,640 but it's taking quite a long time it's 2031 01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:45,679 been 2032 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,080 a really a really interesting thing to 2033 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:49,360 be doing but something that i never had 2034 01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,280 a doubt to do at all it's just 2035 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,560 a logical extension really of what i was 2036 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:55,440 doing back then i mean 2037 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:56,800 people aren't surprised by it it's the 2038 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:58,239 weirdest thing i had an email from 2039 01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:59,199 somebody the other day 2040 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:02,000 you know rob miller went on from being a 2041 01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:02,400 uh 2042 01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,320 as a singer in the band of ebik's on to 2043 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,480 to to making swords on the isle of skye 2044 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:08,240 of course he did you know 2045 01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:21,399 [Music] 2046 01:19:25,470 --> 01:19:28,579 [Music] 2047 01:19:34,840 --> 01:19:37,840 foreign 2048 01:19:46,070 --> 01:19:49,200 [Music] 2049 01:19:52,220 --> 01:19:55,640 [Music] 2050 01:19:59,050 --> 01:20:02,140 [Music] 2051 01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840 together 2052 01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,840 is 2053 01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,779 [Applause] 2054 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,840 oh 2055 01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,840 is 2056 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,840 yes 2057 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:53,840 this is 2058 01:23:08,690 --> 01:23:16,439 [Music] 2059 01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,840 ah 2060 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:47,360 you 143829

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