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In the criminal justice system,
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sexually-based offenses are
considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives who investigate
these vicious felonies are members
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of an elite squad known
as The Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Guy dropped these off
about 45 minutes ago.
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Photomat down the street just closed.
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Never seen this guy before.
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What's his name?
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Holt, Larry Holt... had a coupon.
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Rep came in...
gave us a talk about these things,
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told me to call if I saw
something weird.
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This is kid is posed.
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Look at the way
he's looking at the camera.
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Yeah, that's it.
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Open bottle of alcohol...
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"Endangering the Welfare of a Child."
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You don't think this is enough
to make an arrest?
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No, "EWC" is all we can arrest him on.
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We're going to have a hard time
proving this is child porn.
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But my gut feeling is,
this is the tip of the iceberg.
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Guy gets one whiff of us and
he's going to clean out everything.
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So let's follow him for a few weeks,
and don't waft his way.
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What's going on here?
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So much for not "wafting his way."
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- Are these your photos?
- Yes.
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Law & Order SVU
1x21 Nocturne
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ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2000/05/12
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Where there's one photo,
there's a hundred more.
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You don't even have "EWC."
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That kid is clearly under 18,
that bottle is clearly over 80 proof.
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You don't know that. You can't
prove that's not apple juice.
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You can't prove he drank
from the bottle.
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He could have found a stash.
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- Which is "EWC."
- You jumped the gun.
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We didn't have another choice.
Holt knew we were detectives.
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- If there are other photos..
- And there are.
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...he would've gone straight
home and destroyed 'em.
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There's nothing in these photos
that we can do anything about.
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Captain, take a look at this.
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Middle of winter... kid is wearing
hot pants. / They're shorts.
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Shorts that ride up too high
on his legs. / He had a growth spurt.
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Someone had to tell that kid to drop
his chin and smile. That's not normal.
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Unless you're in a beauty pageant.
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It's a boy. How many boys
you know go "JonBenet"?
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All right, keep going.
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The pose, the look...
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these are learned, these are taught,
and not by other kids.
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The kind of guy who
takes these pictures,
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is going to keep these.
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He's going to cherish 'em, collect 'em.
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How's the kid in these photos
related to Holt?
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Guy's a piano teacher,
he's a student.
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These are sexualized photos.
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Pedophiles keep evidence
of their sexual acts.
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I know there are more pictures
in Holt's apartment.
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I suppose you want a warrant,
based on your "ESP"?
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Yeah, I do.
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This is post-McMartin, people.
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Any judge worth her salt will throw
out Holt's arrest at his arraignment.
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Captain Cragen?
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My client has informed me
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that you took his watch, his wallet,
his house keys.
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We voucher all personal property
at the time of arrest
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to prevent theft or accidental loss.
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I need those keys.
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Why?
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- To get in that house.
- Tell me why.
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- Need to feed the dog.
- The dog will be fine.
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- Where are my client's keys?
- Property clerk.
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You did make a run
to the property clerk?
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In about two hours.
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There is something
in Holt's apartment.
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I'll put a uniform on the door.
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You get a probable cause,
you get a warrant.
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What about the kid in these photos?
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It's a small neighborhood.
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Let's go.
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The building's sealed.
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Who the hell are you to tell me
I can't go in there?
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My lieutenant told me to not let anyone in.
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- You can't stop me.
- I can, and I am.
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Excuse me, Is there a problem here?
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Yes. Hi. / Hi.
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This officer is preventing me
from entering my house.
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- You live here?
- No, my father lives here.
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Then I'm sorry,
these premises are secured.
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- Do you have a warrant?
- It's before a judge,
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and until she rules, we'll be
locking this place down.
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- Thank you.
- You're welcome.
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They got a money tree
in this place, what?
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We don't know.
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This whole place belongs to Holt?
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Nice place.
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It's too nice. Where's a piano
teacher get that kind of money?
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A rich white guy moves
into this neighborhood?
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Not by accident.
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You think it's an accident that
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he lives across the street from
an elementary school?
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Excuse me! / Whoa!
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How you doing?
Where you going?
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I have a piano lessons.
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So, Jonathan, is Mr. Holt
a good teacher?
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Yeah, you know, good.
Yeah?
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Did he ever touch you
when you were playing?
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Yeah, he keeps his hand on
my back. It's for posture.
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Did that ever make
you feel uncomfortable?
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My dad said it's okay.
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Look, that teacher's like
that with all his students.
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- You go to his lessons?
- I work late.
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So who are his students?
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Kids in the neighborhood.
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- Boys and girls?
- Girls? Please.
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Okay.
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Jonathan, did Mr. Holt take pictures
of you while you were playing?
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Yes, but he has
a whole lot of other pictures.
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He calls them "snappies."
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"Snappies"?
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Did he ever show you these "snappies"?
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No, I found 'em.
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Where?
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I turn the page on the music stand,
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and a whole bunch of
snappies fell out.
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Are they like the snappies
he took of you?
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No, those boys in the snappies
didn't have any clothes on.
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Well, there's your probable cause.
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We're not going to get
a nighttime exemption.
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If we don't hit that door by 9:00,
we're not gonna get in until 6:00 a.m.
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Holt's lawyer's pushing
for arraignment.
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We lose that uniform in two hours.
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We don't get into that house
tonight, someone else will.
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You two go file the warrant.
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I'll page Judge Rothman.
She owes me.
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We'll go in while the ink is drying.
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Residence Of
Judge Rothman
79 Riverside Drive
Thursday, February 3
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"Photos, negatives, slides, cameras,
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photographic equipment, books,
magazines, xeroxes,
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and printed material at
the residence of Lawrence Holt,
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30 East 112th Street."
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Wait, let's add videotape and film.
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Adding "video cassettes,
videotape, and film."
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Anything else?
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It's three till 9:00.
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You got your warrant.
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You got it? Great.
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We got it. Open it up.
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It's pretty quiet in here.
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Maybe the dog died.
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What is this place?
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The lesson room.
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Okay.
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- Please don't.
- It's okay.
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No, that hurts.
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And 43 photos in the album
were obscene?
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Yes, Your Honor.
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Your Honor, may I?
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Briefly.
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I understand that the court is
under tremendous political pressure
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to punish child abusers to
the fullest extent of the law.
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Somehow, it never seems enough.
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Based on the evidence found,
the defendant is hereby charged with;
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Endangering the welfare of a child;
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use of a child in a sexual performance;
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promoting an obscene sexual
performance by a child.
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- How many tapes did you find?
- Last count was... 157.
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Impressive, Mr. Holt.
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44 counts of possessing obscene
sexual performance by a child.
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Your Honor, the people have clearly not had
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the opportunity or the time to
inventory each videocassette.
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Then we will all dread
the discovery process.
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Bail is denied, defendant is remanded.
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- Are you ready to start?
- Come play it with me.
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Okay, let's go.
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Is this the tape you found in the VCR?
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Yeah.
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This goes back 13 years.
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Okay.
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- Please don't.
- It's okay.
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No, that hurts.
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You scamp!
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I didn't know you were going to do that.
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Good for you!
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What is this, Holt's Createst Hits"?
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How many kids are there?
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Please don't.
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You have so much talent,
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but you need to learn restraint.
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Technique is discipline.
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Not now, not again.
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That's not a different kid.
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It's the same person.
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Grown up.
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That was very good.
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I felt your passion.
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Thank you.
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Did you see the tape?
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We usually just hear about it after.
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To actually see it...
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There's a lot more to go through.
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There could be 50, maybe 100 more kids.
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I'll do it.
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You got Holt arraigned on possession
and promoting, all right?
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We have to get back in there.
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We need his computer,
day planner, his schedule.
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Wait a minute, what about abuse?
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No, no, to do that,
you need a complainant.
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You need an actual kid.
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We need that kid.
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Okay, let's go.
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Looks familiar,
but I don't know his name.
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Does your son take piano lessons
from Mr. Holt?
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No, not yet. My son, he doesn't
like music very much,
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but I've been talking to
Larry about that.
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Larry says it's never
too late to develop an ear.
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Yeah, sure.
Plays piano.
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Know who you should ask
about him? / The piano teacher.
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Yeah, Larry Holt...
lives across the way.
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He knows every kid
in this neighborhood.
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- What do you know about him?
- Guy's a piano teacher.
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Little fruity, but, you know.
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Fruity?
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Yeah, always touches everything,
everyone, but, you know.
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- No, I don't know.
- None of my business.
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Was there something going on?
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Why you care?
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You're only here
after something happens.
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I'm here now.
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Then that's your business.
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Holt rent a lot of children's videos?
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I'll tell you right now, he's one
of the most decent guys I know.
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He gave my kids
piano lessons for free.
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Really? What did your kids
say about him?
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That he was strict.
But they like him.
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Anything going on, they'd tell me.
247
00:14:06,823 --> 00:14:09,286
You don't know Larry Holt.
248
00:14:09,286 --> 00:14:12,242
He takes kids and sees
what they have in them,
249
00:14:12,242 --> 00:14:14,855
that they can do anything.
250
00:14:15,318 --> 00:14:17,829
- You see that kid?
- Mm-hmm.
251
00:14:18,134 --> 00:14:20,893
His name is Rey Guzimano,
heard of him?
252
00:14:20,893 --> 00:14:23,933
No. / Man can he play.
253
00:14:24,303 --> 00:14:26,968
Holt one of his teachers, too?
254
00:14:27,472 --> 00:14:30,012
You know, Holt makes
a difference in people's lives.
255
00:14:30,012 --> 00:14:33,343
A hell of a lot more than you ever will.
256
00:14:33,683 --> 00:14:34,821
People knew.
257
00:14:34,821 --> 00:14:36,439
Maybe they're just trying
to be optimistic.
258
00:14:36,439 --> 00:14:37,821
It's not the same as covering up.
259
00:14:37,821 --> 00:14:40,996
Yeah, they're busy. They're trying
to keep everything together.
260
00:14:40,996 --> 00:14:42,936
Food on the table, their families.
261
00:14:42,936 --> 00:14:45,629
If they faced the truth, what kind
of parents does that make them?
262
00:14:45,629 --> 00:14:48,282
- Did you talk to her?
- I don't think so.
263
00:14:48,282 --> 00:14:49,350
Hold on.
264
00:14:50,202 --> 00:14:52,706
- I bet I know what you're thinking.
- Bet you don't.
265
00:14:52,706 --> 00:14:55,240
Even the best parents can't
protect their children.
266
00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,485
Cutter at home... part of its broken,
I need to fix it.
267
00:14:58,485 --> 00:15:00,756
Well, you can't do everything.
268
00:15:01,398 --> 00:15:04,630
You'd feel everything for 'em,
if you could...
269
00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:06,235
all the pain.
270
00:15:06,844 --> 00:15:10,501
You know, sometimes I just look
at kids and I think,
271
00:15:10,501 --> 00:15:12,053
"Why?
272
00:15:12,053 --> 00:15:13,799
Why do it at all?"
273
00:15:13,799 --> 00:15:16,601
Because you want to more
than anything in the world.
274
00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:19,974
Because you want to love them
everyday.
275
00:15:23,817 --> 00:15:25,443
Where is that?
276
00:15:32,173 --> 00:15:33,216
Hello?
277
00:15:33,806 --> 00:15:35,014
Excuse me.
278
00:15:36,035 --> 00:15:37,150
Hey!
279
00:15:50,731 --> 00:15:52,574
How did you get in here?
280
00:15:52,574 --> 00:15:55,808
I have a set of keys.
Who are you?
281
00:15:55,808 --> 00:15:58,409
I'm Detective Benson, this is
my partner Detective Stabler.
282
00:15:58,409 --> 00:16:00,563
- What's your name?
- Evan.
283
00:16:00,563 --> 00:16:02,516
Evan, the way you play, it's...
284
00:16:02,516 --> 00:16:04,368
- Beautiful.
- It's nice, yeah.
285
00:16:04,368 --> 00:16:07,435
Thanks. Can I help you?
286
00:16:07,435 --> 00:16:10,382
Yeah, we're looking for this person.
287
00:16:16,563 --> 00:16:18,576
It's a three-year program.
288
00:16:18,576 --> 00:16:20,849
- When's your audition?
- Three days.
289
00:16:20,849 --> 00:16:23,706
- You nervous?
- Yeah, it's Julliard.
290
00:16:23,706 --> 00:16:26,695
But if I get in, it'll be all thanks
to Mr. Holt.
291
00:16:26,695 --> 00:16:27,948
Yeah, what do you mean?
292
00:16:27,948 --> 00:16:30,085
Mr. Holt's a great teacher.
293
00:16:30,085 --> 00:16:32,689
- Why?
- Because he pushes you.
294
00:16:32,689 --> 00:16:34,052
How?
295
00:16:34,052 --> 00:16:36,190
Makes you practice a lot,
296
00:16:36,190 --> 00:16:39,308
so that way you can develop
strong technique.
297
00:16:39,308 --> 00:16:41,111
How else did he push you?
298
00:16:41,111 --> 00:16:43,374
I don't know, I guess,
just makes you practice a lot.
299
00:16:43,374 --> 00:16:45,646
How long have you been playing piano?
300
00:16:45,646 --> 00:16:47,478
Forever, I guess.
301
00:16:47,756 --> 00:16:51,250
But Mr. Holt's been really good to me.
He taught me for free.
302
00:16:54,006 --> 00:16:57,142
I need to ask you
about your piano teacher,
303
00:16:57,142 --> 00:16:59,382
about what he did to you.
304
00:16:59,382 --> 00:17:01,168
What do you mean...
what he did to me?
305
00:17:01,168 --> 00:17:03,083
He hasn't done anything.
306
00:17:03,083 --> 00:17:07,394
Evan, I want you to know that
everything you're feeling is totally normal.
307
00:17:07,394 --> 00:17:12,127
It's okay, but you got to tell us
what happened.
308
00:17:13,194 --> 00:17:15,893
- Elton John.
- Huh?
309
00:17:15,893 --> 00:17:19,299
My mother would play his "Greatest
Hits, Volume One," over and over.
310
00:17:19,299 --> 00:17:22,340
His voice...
when it would get really high...
311
00:17:22,340 --> 00:17:24,904
if I could sing like he could,
I would, but I can't,
312
00:17:24,904 --> 00:17:26,876
so I learned how to play.
313
00:17:26,876 --> 00:17:30,151
How old were you the first time
you had sex?
314
00:17:32,736 --> 00:17:35,067
I haven't yet.
315
00:17:36,092 --> 00:17:38,256
Mr. Holt didn't...?
316
00:17:39,915 --> 00:17:44,136
Evan, Mr. Holt hurt you.
317
00:17:44,136 --> 00:17:47,300
No, he didn't.
318
00:17:47,300 --> 00:17:49,004
He's never touched you?
319
00:17:49,004 --> 00:17:49,843
Never.
320
00:17:49,843 --> 00:17:53,294
He pushed me... he raised the bar,
321
00:17:53,294 --> 00:17:56,451
and I met it each time.
322
00:18:02,611 --> 00:18:05,500
- He doesn't know he was videotaped.
- We should show him the tape.
323
00:18:05,500 --> 00:18:07,895
If we take away this kid's denial,
324
00:18:07,895 --> 00:18:09,483
are we going to stick around for the fallout?
325
00:18:09,483 --> 00:18:12,235
There are people.../ For as much
pain as this kid's been through,
326
00:18:12,235 --> 00:18:16,207
there's an equal amount
just waiting for him.
327
00:18:17,310 --> 00:18:20,587
Is it enough to try Holt for possessing
and promoting child porn?
328
00:18:20,587 --> 00:18:22,198
He's guilty of a lot more.
329
00:18:22,198 --> 00:18:24,874
And possession and promoting,
even with "EWC" tacked on,
330
00:18:24,874 --> 00:18:27,106
is still only going to bring seven years.
331
00:18:27,106 --> 00:18:28,834
That's why a jury's got to see the tape.
332
00:18:28,834 --> 00:18:30,935
Seeing that tape, I'll tell ya,
333
00:18:30,935 --> 00:18:33,715
it's going to wreck that child's life.
334
00:18:33,715 --> 00:18:37,881
Elliot, he is not a child,
he's an adult.
335
00:18:47,548 --> 00:18:51,150
Hello, Evan. May I have a seat?
336
00:18:51,441 --> 00:18:52,487
Yeah.
337
00:18:53,631 --> 00:18:58,996
What you're going to see, is
going to be very hard for you.
338
00:18:58,996 --> 00:19:01,116
What happened on this tape is wrong,
339
00:19:01,116 --> 00:19:03,827
and the man who did it
deserves to be punished.
340
00:19:03,827 --> 00:19:05,187
We can't do that, Evan,
341
00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:08,493
without the help of the other
person on this tape.
342
00:19:12,554 --> 00:19:15,027
- Are you ready to start?
- Come play it with me.
343
00:19:15,027 --> 00:19:16,269
Okay.
Let's go.
344
00:19:21,132 --> 00:19:21,611
That's good.
345
00:19:21,611 --> 00:19:25,031
- What's this?
- Now watch your tempo.
346
00:19:25,031 --> 00:19:28,007
Arch your fingers.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
347
00:19:28,007 --> 00:19:31,920
Now remember your posture.
Keep your shoulders back.
348
00:19:34,233 --> 00:19:37,408
No. No. Turn it off!
349
00:19:38,644 --> 00:19:40,534
No. / It's okay. It's all right, son.
350
00:19:40,534 --> 00:19:41,976
No! Shh, shh. Evan.
351
00:19:43,713 --> 00:19:45,507
No...!
352
00:19:57,948 --> 00:19:59,471
No.
353
00:20:03,907 --> 00:20:07,067
Holt moves into the neighborhood,
somehow manages to blend in.
354
00:20:07,067 --> 00:20:09,020
He didn't blend in, he stood out.
355
00:20:09,020 --> 00:20:11,788
That's exactly what these kids, Evan, need.
356
00:20:11,788 --> 00:20:13,341
Somebody to love them.
357
00:20:13,655 --> 00:20:15,522
Be a part of his world.
358
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,832
Rich. Educated.
359
00:20:18,832 --> 00:20:20,140
White.
360
00:20:21,427 --> 00:20:24,911
- What did he do?
- He didn't do anything, ma'am.
361
00:20:24,911 --> 00:20:26,663
Then why you want to talk to him?
362
00:20:26,663 --> 00:20:28,868
Have you ever heard your son
play piano?
363
00:20:28,868 --> 00:20:32,001
- Sure, you know.
- He's real good.
364
00:20:32,001 --> 00:20:34,595
Yeah. So?
365
00:20:34,858 --> 00:20:38,164
That's what we want to talk to
him about.
366
00:20:39,169 --> 00:20:40,665
If you're from that fancy school,
367
00:20:40,665 --> 00:20:44,384
you better talk to him about who's
going to pay for this.
368
00:20:46,767 --> 00:20:48,916
How did the audition go?
369
00:20:50,735 --> 00:20:53,049
Can you tell us who these other
kids are in the photos?
370
00:20:53,049 --> 00:20:54,867
Yeah. Oh, my mom.
371
00:20:54,867 --> 00:20:57,506
- Yeah, families.
- Yeah.
372
00:20:59,541 --> 00:21:01,861
You know, not nice like
Larry's place, eh?
373
00:21:01,861 --> 00:21:03,293
Never been there.
374
00:21:03,293 --> 00:21:05,322
Yeah, but the cabinet doors close.
375
00:21:05,322 --> 00:21:07,405
And there's a piano
at the middle school,
376
00:21:07,405 --> 00:21:09,631
and it's missing a "D" flat.
377
00:21:09,631 --> 00:21:12,676
- And it's always out of tune.
- Holt's got a nice piano.
378
00:21:12,676 --> 00:21:15,354
I guess there's a price to pay
for everything, huh?
379
00:21:15,354 --> 00:21:16,721
For him, too.
380
00:21:16,721 --> 00:21:19,389
That's why we need you to tell us
who these kids are.
381
00:21:19,389 --> 00:21:20,992
Holt's my teacher,
382
00:21:20,992 --> 00:21:24,132
and he cares about me a lot.
383
00:21:24,132 --> 00:21:25,738
He even bought me a coat one year.
384
00:21:25,738 --> 00:21:28,690
I know it's hard, but it's okay.
385
00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:29,875
No, it's not.
386
00:21:29,875 --> 00:21:32,821
If you don't help us, Holt goes right
back to giving those lessons.
387
00:21:32,821 --> 00:21:34,720
Holt always said I wasn't ready to leave.
388
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,269
I mean, I'm no Rey Guzimano.
I still live here.
389
00:21:38,269 --> 00:21:42,051
You know how old he was when
he came out with his first CD?
390
00:21:42,051 --> 00:21:43,193
17.
391
00:21:43,193 --> 00:21:45,420
- So what?
- You know how old I am?
392
00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:49,158
- Almost 21.
- Some prodigy.
393
00:21:49,158 --> 00:21:52,579
Julliard took in a 41-year-old
flute player last fall.
394
00:21:52,579 --> 00:21:54,731
Guy was a monk.
395
00:21:55,374 --> 00:21:57,300
It's not too late.
396
00:21:58,260 --> 00:22:00,015
It's not?
397
00:22:03,715 --> 00:22:05,101
That's Caesar.
398
00:22:05,101 --> 00:22:07,515
Know where he is? Jail.
399
00:22:07,515 --> 00:22:08,888
His gun accidentally went off
400
00:22:08,888 --> 00:22:12,485
when a dry cleaner was
opening up his cash register.
401
00:22:12,485 --> 00:22:13,895
That's Ricky. He's a junkie.
402
00:22:13,895 --> 00:22:18,519
And that's Tony.
Know where he is?
403
00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:21,398
Nobody does.
404
00:22:21,398 --> 00:22:22,635
And me...
405
00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:25,755
you know, I still live here.
406
00:22:25,755 --> 00:22:27,778
But that's "okay."
407
00:22:28,658 --> 00:22:31,541
- Holt didn't have a computer.
- No evidence anyone helped him?
408
00:22:31,541 --> 00:22:33,657
No set schedule, no daytimer.
409
00:22:33,657 --> 00:22:36,739
- The tapes have dates on them.
- Starting dates of the lessons.
410
00:22:36,739 --> 00:22:39,186
And his current students
in the neighborhood?
411
00:22:39,186 --> 00:22:42,227
- Nobody's talking.
- This case is being fast-tracked.
412
00:22:42,227 --> 00:22:44,935
And we've indicted Holt separately
for abuse against Evan.
413
00:22:44,935 --> 00:22:46,661
- How many counts?
- Just two.
414
00:22:46,661 --> 00:22:49,395
What? / We can only
go back five years.
415
00:22:49,395 --> 00:22:51,413
Wait a minute, that law
changed in '96.
416
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:53,911
Child abuse can be
prosecuted up to five years
417
00:22:53,911 --> 00:22:55,606
after the child's 18th birthday.
418
00:22:55,606 --> 00:22:57,326
That's still a lot more than two counts.
419
00:22:57,326 --> 00:23:01,101
But there's no grandfather
clause for abuse before '96.
420
00:23:01,101 --> 00:23:03,027
So everything that Holt did to Evan
421
00:23:03,027 --> 00:23:05,317
up until the time he was 16,
inadmissible.
422
00:23:05,317 --> 00:23:08,377
- Anything over 17...?
- Is consensual.
423
00:23:08,377 --> 00:23:11,769
Please, huh? / And that's only
one year of what happened to him.
424
00:23:11,769 --> 00:23:14,437
- Right now, that's all we have.
- We may not even have that.
425
00:23:14,437 --> 00:23:17,541
So our star witness may
not even testify?
426
00:23:17,790 --> 00:23:19,685
He's afraid of betraying Holt.
427
00:23:19,685 --> 00:23:21,667
He's worried that people are
going to hate him.
428
00:23:21,667 --> 00:23:24,341
So we'll talk to the kids that
Evan knows.
429
00:23:24,341 --> 00:23:27,115
Caesar, the lifer; Ricky, the junkie.
430
00:23:28,302 --> 00:23:29,886
Oh boy.
431
00:23:31,305 --> 00:23:33,278
Nah, nothing ever happened.
432
00:23:33,278 --> 00:23:35,929
He never touched you? / No.
433
00:23:37,098 --> 00:23:39,604
Why did you stop playing piano?
434
00:23:39,604 --> 00:23:43,620
I didn't have the technique,
or discipline.
435
00:23:45,076 --> 00:23:46,701
Man, it's cold.
436
00:23:46,701 --> 00:23:48,722
Why don't you come back
to the station with me?
437
00:23:48,722 --> 00:23:50,699
Get warm. We can talk there.
438
00:23:50,699 --> 00:23:52,430
Holt's place was warm.
439
00:23:52,430 --> 00:23:55,619
Door was always open,
never locked.
440
00:23:55,619 --> 00:23:57,014
Never?
441
00:23:57,646 --> 00:24:00,209
If it was, you come back.
442
00:24:00,209 --> 00:24:03,299
Go inside. Get warm.
443
00:24:03,299 --> 00:24:06,745
Eat a meal... sugar cookie.
444
00:24:07,658 --> 00:24:10,056
I miss that part.
445
00:24:14,546 --> 00:24:16,639
Residence Of
Rey Guzimano
85 Washington Park, Brooklyn
Monday, February 7
446
00:24:16,639 --> 00:24:19,395
- You're his most successful student.
- I owe him a lot.
447
00:24:19,395 --> 00:24:21,390
And you owe it to the community to testify.
448
00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,201
- I don't owe that community anything.
- You're still a part of it.
449
00:24:24,201 --> 00:24:26,152
I just go there to see my mom.
450
00:24:26,152 --> 00:24:28,430
Holt got away with this
for almost 20 years.
451
00:24:28,430 --> 00:24:31,451
Holt was the only person that ever
told me I could do something.
452
00:24:31,451 --> 00:24:34,452
- You know what that's like?
- Yeah. Yeah, I do.
453
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,086
You know there's only like
three ways to get out of there.
454
00:24:38,086 --> 00:24:40,073
Either you're smart enough
to figure it out,
455
00:24:40,073 --> 00:24:42,509
you get out on your own,
which isn't me,
456
00:24:42,509 --> 00:24:44,224
or you die there.
457
00:24:44,224 --> 00:24:50,761
Or you can do something, you know,
handle a ball, play the piano.
458
00:24:50,761 --> 00:24:53,591
No one's going to take
that away from me.
459
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:58,730
- Why won't you talk to me?
- Because he's my father.
460
00:25:11,154 --> 00:25:12,544
You still here?
461
00:25:13,213 --> 00:25:14,397
Yeah.
462
00:25:14,927 --> 00:25:16,780
Can you sleep?
463
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:19,433
I close my eyes, I see those tapes.
464
00:25:19,433 --> 00:25:20,654
Every frame.
465
00:25:20,654 --> 00:25:21,893
Go home, John.
466
00:25:21,893 --> 00:25:25,711
Yeah, back to dead people...
Homicide.
467
00:25:25,711 --> 00:25:28,174
It's much more clear cut, simple.
468
00:25:28,174 --> 00:25:32,296
Back to photographs.
Bodies bent, broken.
469
00:25:32,296 --> 00:25:34,283
Bodies that don't talk back to you.
470
00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:37,504
- Look at you.
- You don't get attached.
471
00:25:37,504 --> 00:25:38,994
Exactly.
472
00:25:38,994 --> 00:25:41,984
Of course, you retired in Baltimore,
473
00:25:41,984 --> 00:25:44,302
a few months later, found yourself here...
474
00:25:44,302 --> 00:25:46,496
another squad room, another case.
475
00:25:46,496 --> 00:25:48,794
This time I'll do a better job of quitting.
476
00:25:48,794 --> 00:25:51,142
Yeah, running's good.
477
00:25:54,347 --> 00:25:56,405
I don't need this.
478
00:25:56,405 --> 00:26:00,199
Go home, John.
Take care of yourself.
479
00:26:04,270 --> 00:26:07,103
I got two more tapes to watch.
480
00:26:07,103 --> 00:26:09,300
"With a wink of his eye,
and a twist of his head...
481
00:26:09,300 --> 00:26:11,943
Soon gave me to know
I had nothing to dread...
482
00:26:11,943 --> 00:26:14,583
He spoke not a word,
but went straight to his work,
483
00:26:14,583 --> 00:26:16,243
and filled all the stockings..."
484
00:26:16,243 --> 00:26:18,107
Are our stockings going
to be filled tonight?
485
00:26:18,107 --> 00:26:20,748
I'm only going to tell you one more time.
486
00:26:20,748 --> 00:26:24,105
Christmas comes once a year,
it is now February.
487
00:26:24,105 --> 00:26:26,622
- Give me the phone, honey.
- By why, Daddy, why?
488
00:26:26,622 --> 00:26:29,567
Yeah, why can't Christmas
come all the time?
489
00:26:29,567 --> 00:26:33,279
Because Santa's credit cards
are all maxed out.
490
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:34,538
That's why.
491
00:26:35,462 --> 00:26:36,945
Stabler.
492
00:26:37,259 --> 00:26:39,072
Hey, Evan, how you doing?
493
00:26:39,072 --> 00:26:41,682
- Evan?
- Shh. What?
494
00:26:42,448 --> 00:26:44,542
Okay. I'll tell you what,
you just stay there.
495
00:26:44,542 --> 00:26:47,552
No, stay there and...
496
00:26:47,552 --> 00:26:50,005
I'll be there as soon as I can.
497
00:26:50,005 --> 00:26:51,072
Okay.
498
00:26:51,991 --> 00:26:54,944
Pauly's Diner
185 East 112th Street
Monday, February 7
499
00:26:54,944 --> 00:26:56,337
My mom threw me out.
500
00:26:56,337 --> 00:26:59,747
She said she didn't want
some faggot living at her place.
501
00:26:59,747 --> 00:27:02,988
- I didn't know who else to call.
- That's okay.
502
00:27:02,988 --> 00:27:06,962
I hate that everything's
always okay, you know?
503
00:27:08,864 --> 00:27:10,941
I know some places that
give emergency housing.
504
00:27:10,941 --> 00:27:13,996
They can help you get on your feet.
505
00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:16,696
How's the job?
506
00:27:16,696 --> 00:27:19,430
The hot water cracks my skin.
507
00:27:19,430 --> 00:27:21,638
Hurt my hands.
508
00:27:21,638 --> 00:27:23,306
So you've quit the
dishwashing business?
509
00:27:23,306 --> 00:27:25,201
No. I got fired.
510
00:27:31,965 --> 00:27:34,604
I think I want to testify.
511
00:27:35,461 --> 00:27:38,393
That's good. Real good.
512
00:27:41,972 --> 00:27:43,942
You think I'm gay?
513
00:27:44,867 --> 00:27:48,719
I don't know. It's not for me to say.
514
00:27:48,719 --> 00:27:51,943
I mean, I've never ever had
a girlfriend or anything.
515
00:27:51,943 --> 00:27:53,662
Maybe you don't know yet,
516
00:27:53,662 --> 00:27:56,379
it's not something you choose.
517
00:27:56,379 --> 00:28:01,465
Besides, there's a big difference
between homosexuality and pedophilia.
518
00:28:01,823 --> 00:28:03,703
Which is what?
519
00:28:03,703 --> 00:28:08,087
Which is... homosexuality is
none of my business.
520
00:28:08,087 --> 00:28:09,711
What was done to you...
521
00:28:09,711 --> 00:28:11,533
I was forced...
522
00:28:11,533 --> 00:28:13,213
that's what you're trying to say?
523
00:28:13,213 --> 00:28:14,544
Yeah...
524
00:28:14,544 --> 00:28:16,590
only...
525
00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:22,642
why didn't you stop
taking those lessons?
526
00:28:24,771 --> 00:28:27,178
I thought...
527
00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:31,961
I didn't think I had any choice.
528
00:28:36,272 --> 00:28:40,428
Well, whatever person you choose...
529
00:28:40,871 --> 00:28:42,387
should be your choice.
530
00:28:42,387 --> 00:28:46,249
And my guess is, when you're
ready to see someone that way...
531
00:28:46,249 --> 00:28:48,374
you will.
532
00:28:49,048 --> 00:28:52,715
It'll mean something to you,
and it'll come from you.
533
00:28:52,715 --> 00:28:55,270
And it won't be about
what was done to you.
534
00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:57,718
And it won't be my fault?
535
00:28:59,282 --> 00:29:01,131
Fault?
536
00:29:01,131 --> 00:29:04,199
It's supposed to be about love.
537
00:29:19,136 --> 00:29:22,668
Elliot, you all right?
538
00:29:22,668 --> 00:29:24,333
Yeah.
539
00:29:28,284 --> 00:29:29,925
How's it going?
540
00:29:34,469 --> 00:29:35,966
Going.
541
00:29:39,358 --> 00:29:41,838
What's going on at work?
542
00:29:43,802 --> 00:29:46,205
Nothing.
543
00:29:48,476 --> 00:29:51,909
You talk to Olivia about it?
544
00:29:54,825 --> 00:29:57,767
She's my partner.
545
00:30:05,874 --> 00:30:08,465
How can we make Evan
feel comfortable?
546
00:30:08,465 --> 00:30:11,805
We just spent two hours rehearsing
his testimony. / How'd that go?
547
00:30:11,805 --> 00:30:14,127
You know the way he
answers questions,
548
00:30:14,127 --> 00:30:16,087
almost as if he wanted to say
the right answer,
549
00:30:16,087 --> 00:30:18,921
if there were a right answer,
just like a kid.
550
00:30:18,921 --> 00:30:21,500
He is, emotionally, sexually.
551
00:30:21,500 --> 00:30:24,270
This kid shut down
at eight years of age.
552
00:30:24,270 --> 00:30:26,353
When I do have kids on the stand,
553
00:30:26,353 --> 00:30:28,845
I do like to do a courtroom prep.
554
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,640
Cool.
555
00:30:31,017 --> 00:30:33,546
Okay. Okay. That's enough,
"Wapner."
556
00:30:33,546 --> 00:30:35,472
Last, and most important.
557
00:30:35,472 --> 00:30:37,186
Where you will sit.
558
00:30:37,643 --> 00:30:39,322
I don't get to come here at all?
559
00:30:39,322 --> 00:30:40,955
'Cause you're a witness,
560
00:30:40,955 --> 00:30:43,859
you might get contaminated by
watching the whole trial.
561
00:30:43,859 --> 00:30:45,210
Contaminated?
562
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,993
Trust me, you got a lot better things
to do than hang out here all day.
563
00:30:48,993 --> 00:30:50,775
Now, when you're up here,
564
00:30:50,775 --> 00:30:54,308
I want you to answer the questions,
just like we practiced.
565
00:30:54,308 --> 00:30:56,515
And when you answer,
I want you to speak loudly,
566
00:30:56,515 --> 00:30:59,537
and look at me, and only at me.
567
00:30:59,790 --> 00:31:02,044
What about when his lawyer
asks me questions?
568
00:31:02,044 --> 00:31:03,703
You just answer the questions.
569
00:31:03,703 --> 00:31:05,819
Everything else, ignore.
570
00:31:07,091 --> 00:31:09,516
Just hear music.
571
00:31:14,145 --> 00:31:15,097
Hey, John.
572
00:31:20,419 --> 00:31:23,067
You think it's a conscious choice?
573
00:31:23,067 --> 00:31:24,236
What, Holt?
574
00:31:24,236 --> 00:31:26,395
- What are you talking about?
- Yeah, Holt.
575
00:31:26,395 --> 00:31:29,728
- What makes a perp a perp?
- Who cares?
576
00:31:30,326 --> 00:31:34,076
Some people say the frontal lobe
is our body's armor against impulses.
577
00:31:34,076 --> 00:31:36,580
Okay, Holt has a bad lobe.
578
00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:37,857
You think he was abused?
579
00:31:37,857 --> 00:31:39,754
You know, John, I really don't care.
580
00:31:39,754 --> 00:31:42,562
It's just another excuse
as far as I'm concerned.
581
00:31:42,562 --> 00:31:44,426
This guy hurt a lot of kids.
582
00:31:44,426 --> 00:31:46,904
That's what I care about.
583
00:31:50,676 --> 00:31:52,981
What's going on with you?
584
00:32:00,531 --> 00:32:02,704
I got something to show you.
585
00:32:03,163 --> 00:32:05,137
That's good.
That's real good.
586
00:32:06,004 --> 00:32:08,382
Keep your wrists up, okay?
587
00:32:11,047 --> 00:32:15,281
No, no. Evan, he's having trouble
with the music.
588
00:32:18,558 --> 00:32:20,803
He doesn't feel it.
589
00:32:21,882 --> 00:32:24,756
He's ready to start learning.
590
00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:26,378
He's ready.
591
00:32:34,202 --> 00:32:36,405
Can you show him?
592
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:49,206
- What are you doing?
- Just keep playing.
593
00:33:07,967 --> 00:33:10,303
Hasn't this kid been through
enough already?
594
00:33:10,303 --> 00:33:11,761
How can you say that?
595
00:33:11,761 --> 00:33:15,145
You, who when we watched those
tapes were ready to throttle the guy.
596
00:33:15,145 --> 00:33:16,724
And you were the one
who was telling Evan
597
00:33:16,724 --> 00:33:18,396
that everything was going to be okay.
598
00:33:18,396 --> 00:33:22,139
It is okay, if he's the victim,
not the abuser.
599
00:33:22,139 --> 00:33:24,505
- He's both.
- Who's next?
600
00:33:24,505 --> 00:33:27,290
Evan hurts another kid,
we are responsible.
601
00:33:27,290 --> 00:33:30,322
Give it a few years, we'll have
another Holt on our hands.
602
00:33:32,429 --> 00:33:37,014
The same laws that bind Holt,
bind Evan too.
603
00:33:37,278 --> 00:33:39,623
Mark, it's Don Cragen.
604
00:33:39,623 --> 00:33:42,565
I think you better get down right away.
605
00:33:43,959 --> 00:33:48,379
Larry said that Jonathan
didn't feel the music.
606
00:33:48,582 --> 00:33:50,448
He said, "How can you play
a piece about longing,
607
00:33:50,448 --> 00:33:53,272
when you haven't felt that?
608
00:33:53,272 --> 00:33:58,525
Jonathan was playing
"The Entertainer."
609
00:33:58,769 --> 00:34:01,781
It's the way I learned how to play.
610
00:34:02,619 --> 00:34:06,528
What are you going to do
with your talent now?
611
00:34:07,064 --> 00:34:08,478
Look at me.
612
00:34:08,764 --> 00:34:10,271
Look at me.
613
00:34:13,213 --> 00:34:15,948
How many times did this happen?
614
00:34:15,948 --> 00:34:17,406
Once. That's it.
615
00:34:17,406 --> 00:34:18,989
Don't lie to me.
616
00:34:18,989 --> 00:34:22,825
That was the only time.
617
00:34:23,770 --> 00:34:28,594
- You committed a crime.
- And deserve to be punished.
618
00:34:29,064 --> 00:34:32,215
You still want to testify tomorrow?
619
00:34:36,236 --> 00:34:39,847
You're going to be arraigned
this afternoon.
620
00:34:39,847 --> 00:34:42,582
Am I going to jail?
621
00:34:43,281 --> 00:34:46,201
We probably could make a deal.
622
00:34:51,325 --> 00:34:53,088
What...?
623
00:34:53,291 --> 00:34:55,621
You don't think it's fair
we give this kid a deal?
624
00:34:55,621 --> 00:34:56,882
Fair?
625
00:34:57,576 --> 00:34:59,547
I don't know what I know anymore,
you know?
626
00:34:59,547 --> 00:35:02,790
Yeah, I mean we're stuck right
in the middle of this thing.
627
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:05,973
We watch that boy on tape,
a victim being subjected
628
00:35:05,973 --> 00:35:08,001
to thing that no child
should ever have to suffer.
629
00:35:08,001 --> 00:35:10,914
Who are you talking about,
Jonathan or Evan?
630
00:35:10,914 --> 00:35:13,438
All right, point taken.
But I was talking about Evan.
631
00:35:13,438 --> 00:35:15,517
He was abused, and then
he turns around and does it.
632
00:35:15,517 --> 00:35:16,838
An excuse.
633
00:35:16,838 --> 00:35:19,121
You think that's all it is, an excuse?
634
00:35:19,121 --> 00:35:23,955
I think, it relieves him
of an awful lot of responsibility.
635
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,951
The idea that abuse
636
00:35:25,951 --> 00:35:27,333
begets abuse, begets abuse,
637
00:35:27,333 --> 00:35:30,652
is a rationalization that's been used
by countless defense lawyers.
638
00:35:30,652 --> 00:35:34,405
But in this case,
it also happens to be true.
639
00:35:34,951 --> 00:35:36,564
He had a choice.
640
00:35:36,564 --> 00:35:38,561
Yes. Evan, the adult, had a choice.
641
00:35:38,561 --> 00:35:40,594
- And he committed a crime.
- And we're cops.
642
00:35:40,594 --> 00:35:42,463
And we'll deal with that.
643
00:35:42,463 --> 00:35:44,808
But you see, what's eating you,
644
00:35:44,808 --> 00:35:47,097
is Evan the little boy.
645
00:35:47,097 --> 00:35:49,381
The boy on the tape.
646
00:35:49,381 --> 00:35:52,233
What choice did he have?
647
00:36:03,234 --> 00:36:04,867
Bail is set at 25,000.
648
00:36:04,867 --> 00:36:07,085
- Your Honor...
- I think that's more than fair.
649
00:36:07,085 --> 00:36:10,254
It is fair, and we appreciate
the court's generosity.
650
00:36:10,254 --> 00:36:13,440
But, may we approach the bench?
651
00:36:18,194 --> 00:36:20,320
Your Honor, my client can't make that.
652
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,537
So he spends the night
in jail like anyone else.
653
00:36:22,537 --> 00:36:26,644
Your Honor, the People are right now
in the middle of trying Larry Holt,
654
00:36:26,644 --> 00:36:29,107
Evan is our key witness.
655
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,070
- When is he testifying?
- Tomorrow.
656
00:36:32,070 --> 00:36:37,174
Stress of spending the night in jail
will probably affect his testimony.
657
00:36:37,174 --> 00:36:39,221
All right, then.
Until his testimony is completed,
658
00:36:39,221 --> 00:36:42,469
I'll release Evan into
the custody of the People.
659
00:36:42,754 --> 00:36:46,564
Starland Hotel
346 West 38th Street
Wednesday, February 9
660
00:36:53,525 --> 00:36:55,770
You hate me, don't you?
661
00:36:56,806 --> 00:36:58,498
I don't hate you.
662
00:37:04,945 --> 00:37:08,813
Well, what you said in the diner
that night... / Yeah, that was before.
663
00:37:10,505 --> 00:37:14,060
Look, what happened to you is terrible.
664
00:37:14,060 --> 00:37:20,467
I look at you and I try seeing
that little child being abused.
665
00:37:20,467 --> 00:37:21,986
Only...
666
00:37:22,885 --> 00:37:25,224
Only now you see an abuser.
667
00:37:25,224 --> 00:37:28,216
Yeah. Yeah, I do.
668
00:37:28,216 --> 00:37:32,184
I see a guy that... if you ever
came near my child...
669
00:37:43,958 --> 00:37:45,896
My kid must have put that in there.
670
00:37:45,896 --> 00:37:49,817
He's determined to make
Christmas come every night.
671
00:37:58,670 --> 00:38:01,193
"Twas the night before Christmas
672
00:38:01,193 --> 00:38:04,305
And all through the house
Not a creature was stirring,
673
00:38:04,305 --> 00:38:06,641
Not even a mouse."
674
00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:09,513
Don't.
675
00:38:18,333 --> 00:38:19,651
When I would play,
676
00:38:19,651 --> 00:38:21,656
he would sit next to me on the bench.
677
00:38:21,656 --> 00:38:24,909
- Why?
- Made it easy to turn the music.
678
00:38:24,909 --> 00:38:27,918
Did he ever touch you when
he would sit next to you?
679
00:38:27,918 --> 00:38:29,121
Yes.
680
00:38:29,121 --> 00:38:33,735
He would keep his hand
on my back for good posture.
681
00:38:33,735 --> 00:38:35,624
Evan...
682
00:38:36,022 --> 00:38:39,595
did he ever touch you anywhere else?
683
00:38:51,024 --> 00:38:52,650
Yes.
684
00:38:58,392 --> 00:39:01,312
Supreme Court
Sentencing Hearing
Friday, February 11
685
00:39:01,312 --> 00:39:03,607
During the trial I heard
from the prosecution,
686
00:39:03,607 --> 00:39:07,533
I heard from the defense,
but I did not hear from you, Mr. Holt.
687
00:39:07,533 --> 00:39:09,053
You want to say something now?
688
00:39:09,053 --> 00:39:10,953
No, Your Honor.
689
00:39:13,143 --> 00:39:16,963
I've read the pre-sentencing report.
690
00:39:16,963 --> 00:39:21,676
Nothing in it indicates you
feel any remorse.
691
00:39:21,676 --> 00:39:25,103
Nothing indicates that
I should be lenient.
692
00:39:25,103 --> 00:39:27,023
Mr. Holt...
693
00:39:27,023 --> 00:39:31,390
note by note, you eroded the hope
694
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:34,157
of every child in your charge.
695
00:39:34,157 --> 00:39:35,738
You stole from them.
696
00:39:35,738 --> 00:39:38,139
You stole from this community.
697
00:39:38,952 --> 00:39:45,000
I sentence you to 115 years,
the maximum the law allows.
698
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,478
Maybe knowing that you will
never teach another child
699
00:39:47,478 --> 00:39:51,195
will fill some of us again with hope.
700
00:39:56,094 --> 00:39:58,680
Will he really be in jail that long?
701
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,262
He'll be eligible for parole in 38 years.
702
00:40:03,262 --> 00:40:05,940
- But he's almost 60.
- Yeah.
703
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:08,561
Isn't math wonderful?
704
00:40:19,477 --> 00:40:20,901
Absolutely not.
705
00:40:20,901 --> 00:40:23,518
We're trying to spare your son
the ordeal of testifying at trial.
706
00:40:23,518 --> 00:40:26,528
Jonathan doesn't testify,
that son of a bitch goes free.
707
00:40:26,528 --> 00:40:27,553
No, he won't be free.
708
00:40:27,553 --> 00:40:29,841
He's pleading guilty,
he will be on probation.
709
00:40:29,841 --> 00:40:31,658
A heavily supervised probation.
710
00:40:31,658 --> 00:40:34,298
- My son is the victim here.
- Sir, we know that.
711
00:40:34,298 --> 00:40:38,440
And we are not trying to excuse Evan,
but this does go back to Holt.
712
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,079
You saw how fast that jury came back.
713
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:42,280
And I want that other kid to go to trial.
714
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,502
I know you do.
715
00:40:44,856 --> 00:40:47,154
And I sympathize with you, believe me.
716
00:40:47,154 --> 00:40:49,811
Isn't the most important thing here
717
00:40:49,811 --> 00:40:52,626
that these men never be allowed
to do anything like this again?
718
00:40:52,626 --> 00:40:56,002
That's not justice.
It's special laws for special people.
719
00:40:56,002 --> 00:40:59,474
No, sir, not at all.
It's almost a done deal.
720
00:40:59,474 --> 00:41:00,965
Then you undo it,
721
00:41:00,965 --> 00:41:03,479
because if you don't,
I'm going to call every newspaper,
722
00:41:03,479 --> 00:41:06,612
every television station, every
person that'll listen for two minutes,
723
00:41:06,612 --> 00:41:08,497
and tell them how certain
child molesters are worth
724
00:41:08,497 --> 00:41:13,300
your time and energy and
how certain other ones aren't.
725
00:41:17,014 --> 00:41:18,689
What's that?
726
00:41:18,965 --> 00:41:21,920
It's a letter from Julliard.
727
00:41:22,431 --> 00:41:24,434
Did you open it?
728
00:41:29,343 --> 00:41:31,249
Congratulations.
729
00:41:31,249 --> 00:41:33,219
Evan pleads guilty, we don't go to trial.
730
00:41:33,219 --> 00:41:35,426
Judge won't cut a deal.
731
00:41:35,426 --> 00:41:37,315
How long would I be in jail?
732
00:41:37,315 --> 00:41:39,770
The felony carries a one
to three year sentence.
733
00:41:39,770 --> 00:41:42,855
I think a judge will feel politically
obligated to give you the maximum.
734
00:41:42,855 --> 00:41:45,687
We go to trial,
we probably end up with probation,
735
00:41:45,687 --> 00:41:47,672
right where we started.
736
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:50,760
- We withdraw our guilty plea.
- Okay.
737
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,286
No, Jonathan can't go through that.
738
00:41:54,286 --> 00:41:57,272
But you'll be in jail for three years.
739
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,209
Look...
740
00:42:02,672 --> 00:42:06,755
I don't know what made
Holt the way he is...
741
00:42:06,755 --> 00:42:12,862
but I do know why I am the way I am.
742
00:42:12,862 --> 00:42:14,934
And it stops here...
743
00:42:15,763 --> 00:42:18,002
now.
744
00:42:19,228 --> 00:42:21,856
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