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In the criminal justice system,
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sexually-based offenses
are considered especially heinous.
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In New York City,
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the dedicated detectives who investigate
these vicious felonies are members
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of an elite squad known
as The Special Victims Unit.
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These are their stories.
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Mom?
Mom, it's me.
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I'm sorry. I know it's late.
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I'm sorry you've been worried.
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I need a ride!
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I'm pretty far away.
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Mom, I wa... I was attacked!
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I was raped.
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Yes, that's what I said.
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21st and 7th.
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No, I'm not okay.
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This man, he drove
me to a vacant lot.
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He pulled out a gun.
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He told me to get out,
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and then he did it.
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He raped you?
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Yes. He said if I told anyone,
he'd kill me.
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Why did you get into his car?
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I just got in.
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You just got in?
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Yes.
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Why?
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I sort of knew him.
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I thought he was a stranger?
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He was. We met in a chat room.
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Oh, like on the internet?
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Yeah. He seemed decent
enough by email and everything.
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So you did know him?
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This was the first time
seeing him in person.
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We're going to ask you to work
with a sketch artist later.
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I can do that.
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So how'd you know it was him?
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He said he'd be in
a beige Mercury Sable
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and that he'd pick me up
at the coffeehouse at 7:00.
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What was his name?
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I only know his screen name.
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The Yachtsman.
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The Yachtsman?
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I thought with a name like
that he'd be a gentleman.
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It shows you
how wrong you can be.
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Law & Order SVU
1x18 Chat Room
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ORIGINAL AIR DATE ON NBC: 2000/04/14
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16 year old girl named Karen Ray
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gave us these drawings of a man
who raped and abducted her.
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Abducted? What happened?
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It's not a stranger abduction.
Not like that.
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This is not the name
his mother gave him.
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"The Yachtsman"... maybe we
should work with the Coast Cuard.
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It's a chat room name.
They met online.
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Right now, that's all we got.
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I love the information super high way.
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You can meet creepazoids from all
over the world without leaving home.
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How's the victim taking it?
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She was pretty shaken up last night, but
we're going to reinterview this morning.
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By the time the lab
comes back with anything,
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this guy could be halfway
around the world.
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So we got to move
on this, people, and now.
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I'd like to get into her computer.
It's the most direct route to this guy.
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Yeah, it is. Raye lives
in Brooklyn with her mother.
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You and Munch pick up the computer,
put a name to this Yachtsman.
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70 million people on the internet...
every one a suspect.
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You got into his car at about 7:00?
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Yeah, around 7:00.
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You checked into the
hospital after 11:00, right?
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That sounds about right.
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What happened before the attack?
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- Did you talk to him?
- Sure.
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What'd you talk about?
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My school, my family.
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I was pretty eager to meet this guy.
Stupid, isn't it?
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You've been corresponding
for a while, right?
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Email, you mean?
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About three to four months.
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Why'd you choose
last night to meet this guy?
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We'd been talking
about it for a while, and...
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online, I mean.
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Last night just seemed
like the right time.
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Who picked the date, you or him?
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I did.
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And why last night?
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I thought I could get out.
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Tuesday night is Mom's big night out...
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choir practice.
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So you just got in his car
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and you drove around
for three or four hours.
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Seems like a long time.
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Yeah, well, not all of it was driving.
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Some of it was just parking.
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Okay.
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Okay. You know what
I think we should do?
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Why don't we just grab a car?
We'll retrace your route, and
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maybe it'll help you remember more.
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Did you mean go all
the places all over again?
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Yeah.
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Do we have to?
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Karen, that's how we're
going to find this guy.
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Home Of Melissa Raye
586 4th Street Brooklyn
Wednesday, February 23
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What time did your daughter
leave last night, Ms. Raye?
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I dropped her off
at the library at 6:15.
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When I went to check
on her at 8:30, she wasn't there.
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You went to check on her?
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I went to check on her.
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I would've stayed the whole night
if I didn't have choir practice.
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So you don't trust her?
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No, I trust her,
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but as Ronald Reagan said,
"Trust but verify."
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She's at that age.
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What age is that?
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The age when she's
got a woman's body,
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but the sense of judgment of a child.
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Oh. Has she had problems
with boyfriends?
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She's too young to have boyfriends.
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I understand, but it's not unusual
for a girl her age to date.
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Yeah, well, she doesn't date.
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She's allowed to attend church
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or school functions
as long as there's a chaperone.
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And she's welcome to have a boy into
our home as long as he's a friend.
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Has she done that?
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No.
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I thought the weirdo that did
this was from the Internet.
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Just because she didn't know him,
doesn't mean he didn't know her.
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Do you think we could
look at her computer?
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I wouldn't have
a computer in my home.
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The computer's over
at her father's apartment.
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You're divorced?
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We never married,
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because when I was Karen's age
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I didn't have somebody looking out
for me the way I look out for her.
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Do you allow her to visit him?
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I don't allow it.
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He got a court order forcing me to
let her go there every other weekend.
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And if that makes sense, you tell me.
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Is this the corner
where he picked you up?
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- Yes.
- Okay, which corner?
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Right over there.
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What direction was he driving?
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This direction.
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All right, you just tell us
where to turn, okay?
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Make a quick left.
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This right here is a oneway.
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I can only take a right.
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Well, I guess I was wrong.
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Go right.
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Are you sure, Karen?
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I said go right, okay?
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Okay.
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Home Of David Marolo
240 Willow Street, Brooklyn
Wednesday, February 23
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Karen's a good kid.
She studies hard.
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Is she an "A" student?
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Were you?
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As a matter of fact, I was...
except for the sciences and Spanish.
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What about her computer usage?
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She downloaded a lot of songs.
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Did you monitor where she surfed?
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Ah, hell, Karen knows more about
that thing than I do. What's to monitor?
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She says she met her attacker online.
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I know. / Would you mind if we took
your computer with us for a few days?
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What?
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There are a few naked
pictures on there, too.
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They're not hers.
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They're yours?
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It's not porn or anything.
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It's nudes...
women posing with big cats.
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Lions, leopards, that sort of thing.
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It's password protected.
She could never get to it.
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I'm sure she never saw a thing.
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This where it happened?
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Yes.
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A lot of people around.
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No one saw you
or heard anything?
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I don't know.
I was scared. I was terrified.
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You don't believe me?
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It's just like they say.
This is worse than the rape.
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It happened right here and you
guys act like I'm making this up.
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Karen, we're just trying
to get the details right.
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But if there's something you're not
telling us, you have to come clean.
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He put a gun to my head,
he told me to take my pants off
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and he raped me.
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And you guys don't believe me!
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How did you get
my dad's computer?
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Your father wants to catch
this guy as much as we do.
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Okay, Karen, why don't you
wait for us in that room over there?
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Debbie. We'll get you
a soda or something.
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Right in there.
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What is that?
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That is leopardus pardalis,
commonly know as the ocelot,
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posing with Bree Crosley.
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Commonly known as Miss September.
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It's just her father's stuff.
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We were coming to the same
conclusion... there is no Yachtsman.
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Then who's been sending her
all these highminded justifications
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for MayDecember relationships?
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- What's in here?
- A lot of derivative symbolist poetry.
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Plus pictures, but they're encrypted
or something... we can't see them.
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There's a tech guy coming over.
He says he thinks he can show them to us.
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We read some of the things
that this guy emailed to you.
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Oh, no.
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He's a predator, Karen,
why are you protecting him?
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I'm not protecting him.
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He didn't really take you
to that parking lot, did he?
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No.
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You made that part up.
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Yes.
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Listen, it's okay.
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We just need you to tell us
what really happened.
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Karen, look at me.
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Even though he didn't use force,
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he still took advantage of you.
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We can charge him
with statutory rape.
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Those cases are taken
very seriously nowadays.
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- Could he go to jail?
- Yes, he could.
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What have I done?
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I never met The Yachtsman.
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What?
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He was this guy that me
and my girlfriends used to email
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as a joke.
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Okay, so who were you with?
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I was with my boyfriend Keith.
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Your boyfriend?
Why'd you tell us you were raped?
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Because we made love
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and I didn't want my mom to find out.
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She's totally paranoid
and she would've known.
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How?
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When I come home she makes
me undress in front of her
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and she smells my hair.
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She's a total fascist.
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Please, please,
don't tell my mother.
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She'll kill me.
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Karen, nothing your mother
does or might do
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justifies you filing
a false police report.
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You understand
that's a serious crime?
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I'm sorry. / All this time we spent
looking for someone who doesn't exist
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is time that we didn't spend
trying to help women who were raped.
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Now you think about them.
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00:11:18,315 --> 00:11:21,179
I'm sorry. What can I do?
251
00:11:24,197 --> 00:11:26,640
First recant the story
that you told us earlier.
252
00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,371
Then, tell us
what really happened.
253
00:11:30,395 --> 00:11:32,980
Are you going to
arrest my boyfriend?
254
00:11:32,980 --> 00:11:34,986
Why would we do that?
255
00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:37,114
Because he's 21.
256
00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:40,842
We should talk to him.
257
00:11:42,274 --> 00:11:43,715
- What, Karen?
- Yeah, your girlfriend.
258
00:11:43,715 --> 00:11:44,867
Karen Raye, right?
259
00:11:44,867 --> 00:11:46,374
Is she in trouble?
Did something happen to her?
260
00:11:46,374 --> 00:11:48,601
We're sorting that out
but she's okay.
261
00:11:48,601 --> 00:11:50,179
Yeah, come on.
262
00:11:50,374 --> 00:11:51,848
That's good.
263
00:11:52,425 --> 00:11:53,584
How old are you?
264
00:11:53,584 --> 00:11:54,903
Uh, 21.
265
00:11:54,903 --> 00:11:56,063
How old is she?
266
00:11:56,063 --> 00:11:57,646
16.
267
00:11:58,902 --> 00:12:00,459
I know, the age difference.
268
00:12:00,459 --> 00:12:03,454
But she is more mature than
any girl I've ever met in college.
269
00:12:03,454 --> 00:12:05,291
Keith, trust me,
270
00:12:05,291 --> 00:12:07,230
She's not that mature.
271
00:12:09,706 --> 00:12:11,445
You know why we're talking?
272
00:12:11,445 --> 00:12:12,773
No.
273
00:12:12,773 --> 00:12:15,405
You ever hear of statutory rape?
274
00:12:17,983 --> 00:12:20,528
Now you seem like a nice guy to me.
275
00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:23,034
You like her?
276
00:12:23,034 --> 00:12:24,664
Yeah.
277
00:12:24,664 --> 00:12:26,242
You love her?
278
00:12:26,242 --> 00:12:27,932
Yeah.
279
00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:31,122
You don't seem too sure to me.
280
00:12:33,505 --> 00:12:34,981
Look,
281
00:12:35,298 --> 00:12:37,010
give it a rest.
282
00:12:37,010 --> 00:12:38,176
A year, a year an a half,
283
00:12:38,176 --> 00:12:40,779
you still think you want
to go out with her, hey,
284
00:12:40,779 --> 00:12:42,449
you'll have no problems with me.
285
00:12:44,469 --> 00:12:46,127
Yeah, I hear you.
286
00:12:48,456 --> 00:12:50,198
Good.
287
00:12:50,198 --> 00:12:51,921
That's it.
288
00:12:53,205 --> 00:12:54,728
Thanks.
289
00:12:58,107 --> 00:13:00,269
You know, the only difference
between here and robbery
290
00:13:00,269 --> 00:13:01,861
is robbery victims don't lie.
291
00:13:01,861 --> 00:13:05,275
It's not a waste of time.
Have you seen Yachtsman's letters?
292
00:13:05,422 --> 00:13:08,159
I thought it was hot air. He didn't
really try to set up a meeting with her?
293
00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:09,458
Well, not with her.
294
00:13:09,458 --> 00:13:11,863
- But?
- We did a little digging.
295
00:13:11,863 --> 00:13:14,863
He emailed her some photos
of himself. Take a look.
296
00:13:15,304 --> 00:13:18,810
The man's face is blackened
out, but not his date's.
297
00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:20,589
How old is that girl?
298
00:13:20,589 --> 00:13:22,920
Not old enough.
Not nearly old enough.
299
00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,265
I don't need to look at this crap.
300
00:13:24,265 --> 00:13:26,010
It's evidence, Elliot.
301
00:13:27,887 --> 00:13:29,700
How many photos were
on her computer?
302
00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:31,016
Too many.
303
00:13:31,016 --> 00:13:33,585
I guess he sent them
several times a day.
304
00:13:33,723 --> 00:13:37,573
Every time I open my email,
I have messages waiting for me.
305
00:13:37,573 --> 00:13:43,652
And they're always from Tina or Betsy
or Mitzy having something to show me.
306
00:13:43,652 --> 00:13:46,546
Yeah, "Hottest teen site
on the Internet."
307
00:13:46,546 --> 00:13:48,575
And they're just there
right when you log on.
308
00:13:48,575 --> 00:13:51,654
If they are teens.
These sites, you can't tell their ages.
309
00:13:51,654 --> 00:13:53,262
You don't even know
if it's the girl posing.
310
00:13:53,262 --> 00:13:54,669
It can be a cutandpaste job.
311
00:13:54,669 --> 00:13:58,000
They're being scanned
in from a Sears catalog.
312
00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,936
And if we get them... / Dickie, Maureen,
Elizabeth and Kathleen do, too.
313
00:14:01,936 --> 00:14:03,590
I know.
314
00:14:05,077 --> 00:14:07,491
It scares me.
315
00:14:08,265 --> 00:14:09,733
Honey, it scares me, too,
316
00:14:09,733 --> 00:14:12,679
but I can't just walk into
a room and restrain the guy.
317
00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,616
Why not?
318
00:14:14,737 --> 00:14:16,996
These predators,
you tell me where they are.
319
00:14:16,996 --> 00:14:18,729
I can't hear 'em. I can't see 'em.
320
00:14:18,729 --> 00:14:20,474
But they're out there.
321
00:14:22,694 --> 00:14:24,631
Honey, they're in here.
322
00:14:28,632 --> 00:14:31,031
He's one of your internet users.
323
00:14:31,031 --> 00:14:34,184
Clients. And we value
their privacy. I'm sorry.
324
00:14:34,184 --> 00:14:37,171
We have reason to believe he may
have posed for sex pictures.
325
00:14:37,171 --> 00:14:38,987
- So?
- With a minor.
326
00:14:39,428 --> 00:14:40,898
I'm sure your other
clients would want to know
327
00:14:40,898 --> 00:14:43,549
you're doing everything
you can to fight this problem.
328
00:14:45,047 --> 00:14:47,408
Okay, what do you want
to know about this Yachtsman?
329
00:14:47,408 --> 00:14:48,828
Where he is.
330
00:14:51,926 --> 00:14:52,947
Just take a minute.
331
00:14:52,947 --> 00:14:55,975
You can find out anything you want
about somebody from their email address?
332
00:14:55,975 --> 00:14:58,687
Sure, once you're online,
we can follow you anywhere.
333
00:14:59,170 --> 00:15:00,982
So much for anonymity.
334
00:15:00,982 --> 00:15:03,951
Well, what happens
when you click on Amazon?
335
00:15:03,951 --> 00:15:05,487
It says, "Welcome, Olivia Benson."
336
00:15:05,487 --> 00:15:08,505
That's right, and that's
before you type anything.
337
00:15:08,505 --> 00:15:09,882
Every time you click that mouse,
338
00:15:09,882 --> 00:15:12,993
you're sending out personal
info on little things called cookies.
339
00:15:13,044 --> 00:15:16,556
The Internet's like a gigantic tape
recorder that just runs 24 hours a day.
340
00:15:18,599 --> 00:15:19,940
Okay.
341
00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:23,661
Yachtsman.
His real name's Harry Waters.
342
00:15:23,661 --> 00:15:24,658
Waters?
343
00:15:24,658 --> 00:15:27,714
He likes to visit just about
every kind of sex chat room.
344
00:15:28,133 --> 00:15:29,269
Underage stuff?
345
00:15:29,269 --> 00:15:34,014
Yeah, but not exclusively.
He also visited mainstream porn sites,
346
00:15:34,014 --> 00:15:36,002
programming sites, music sites.
347
00:15:36,002 --> 00:15:37,859
What are the music sites?
348
00:15:37,859 --> 00:15:41,285
Britney Spears,
Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees.
349
00:15:41,285 --> 00:15:42,774
My daughter likes them.
350
00:15:42,774 --> 00:15:45,399
Waters is about like any of our users.
351
00:15:45,399 --> 00:15:47,651
For example, he also
liked poker and auctions.
352
00:15:47,651 --> 00:15:49,326
What'd he buy at eBay?
353
00:15:49,574 --> 00:15:51,948
Looks like...
354
00:15:52,041 --> 00:15:54,033
panties... used panties.
355
00:15:54,033 --> 00:15:56,452
He won seven panty
auctions in the last year.
356
00:15:56,452 --> 00:15:57,932
That's disgusting.
357
00:15:57,932 --> 00:16:00,437
Very disgusting.
You got his home address?
358
00:16:00,595 --> 00:16:01,564
It's a work address.
359
00:16:01,564 --> 00:16:02,907
So give us that.
360
00:16:02,907 --> 00:16:04,394
Universal dot net.
361
00:16:04,394 --> 00:16:06,649
Had their IPO right after we did.
362
00:16:06,922 --> 00:16:08,135
Never liked the guy.
363
00:16:08,135 --> 00:16:09,390
So why'd you hire him?
364
00:16:09,390 --> 00:16:12,264
He was the best.
He's a really good programmer.
365
00:16:12,886 --> 00:16:13,985
But?
366
00:16:13,985 --> 00:16:17,936
After the IPO, we sprung
for this huge trip to Cuba.
367
00:16:17,936 --> 00:16:19,424
- See a game...
- The Orioles.
368
00:16:19,424 --> 00:16:23,420
Yeah! It was a big deal, and
Waters didn't even go to the game.
369
00:16:23,420 --> 00:16:24,665
So where did he go?
370
00:16:24,665 --> 00:16:27,097
He said he was sick...
something he ate.
371
00:16:27,097 --> 00:16:30,528
So we felt bad for the guy.
Decided to get him some souvenirs.
372
00:16:30,528 --> 00:16:32,738
We go to his room
to give them to him.
373
00:16:32,738 --> 00:16:34,908
This little kid comes
out of the bathroom.
374
00:16:34,908 --> 00:16:36,492
She says in English,
375
00:16:36,492 --> 00:16:38,827
"You want good time, too?"
376
00:16:39,098 --> 00:16:41,853
We get back to the States,
we'd look at him, think,
377
00:16:41,853 --> 00:16:45,356
"What makes this guy tick
that a little kid turns him on?"
378
00:16:45,356 --> 00:16:47,337
Fortunately he quit right after that.
379
00:16:47,337 --> 00:16:48,649
You still have his computer?
380
00:16:48,649 --> 00:16:50,190
- Yeah, you want it?
- We'd love it. / -Yes.
381
00:16:50,190 --> 00:16:51,605
No one here would touch it.
382
00:16:51,605 --> 00:16:54,244
He was like a contagion.
383
00:16:54,740 --> 00:16:56,399
It's all yours.
384
00:16:56,762 --> 00:16:58,905
- Who's this?
- That's him.
385
00:16:59,791 --> 00:17:01,704
His computer hasn't been
touched for 10 months,
386
00:17:01,704 --> 00:17:03,464
so we can forget finding
an address for him.
387
00:17:03,464 --> 00:17:05,434
- But?
- But, check this out...
388
00:17:05,434 --> 00:17:07,877
file names for pictures.
389
00:17:09,024 --> 00:17:11,432
"Cirl Love," "Hot 14," "Horny Teen"...
390
00:17:11,432 --> 00:17:14,239
He's got text filed called
"Diary," "Personal Email,"
391
00:17:14,239 --> 00:17:15,215
"School Schedules,"
392
00:17:15,215 --> 00:17:17,776
"Likes," "Dislikes"... each for
a couple of dozen girls' names.
393
00:17:17,776 --> 00:17:19,668
We can take this to the DA...
stalking behavior,
394
00:17:19,668 --> 00:17:21,568
illegal porn, intent to distribute.
395
00:17:21,568 --> 00:17:24,248
- That's only if we had the actual files.
- I thought we did.
396
00:17:24,248 --> 00:17:27,440
Only the names. It's like having an
inventory list without the inventory.
397
00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,441
The real stuff is offsite,
like the other end of a phone line.
398
00:17:30,441 --> 00:17:32,030
He's covering his ass.
399
00:17:32,030 --> 00:17:33,787
Let's uncover it.
400
00:17:33,787 --> 00:17:35,009
Whose phone line is he using?
401
00:17:35,009 --> 00:17:37,889
718 area code, Brooklyn Heights.
402
00:17:39,113 --> 00:17:41,256
Van Essian, Keith.
403
00:17:42,474 --> 00:17:44,661
Keith. That son of a bitch.
404
00:17:45,375 --> 00:17:48,357
I was just squatting his files in
my system. It's not even my stuff.
405
00:17:48,357 --> 00:17:51,344
- It's your system, your house.
- And it's filled with kiddie porn.
406
00:17:51,344 --> 00:17:52,878
- They're not my files.
- Doesn't matter.
407
00:17:52,878 --> 00:17:56,823
Someone comes to me and wants
to store illegal stuff in my garage,
408
00:17:56,823 --> 00:17:59,918
he's either my best friend, or
I'm getting something out of the deal.
409
00:17:59,918 --> 00:18:03,084
- He's not my friend.
- No? What's in it for you then?
410
00:18:03,084 --> 00:18:05,541
You're the one with the pictures
of her, and the emails,
411
00:18:05,541 --> 00:18:07,253
and pictures of dozens of other girls.
412
00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:09,293
I don't know how that got there.
413
00:18:10,712 --> 00:18:12,630
Do we look like imbeciles to you?
414
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:13,708
They're just pictures.
415
00:18:13,708 --> 00:18:16,383
They're not just pictures!
416
00:18:18,135 --> 00:18:19,276
These are underage girls.
417
00:18:19,276 --> 00:18:22,838
Terrified, drugged and getting
photographed without their permission.
418
00:18:22,838 --> 00:18:25,985
You little snotnosed son of a bitch,
419
00:18:26,086 --> 00:18:29,022
you're going to tell me
what I want to know.
420
00:18:29,022 --> 00:18:30,790
Now, you got that?!
421
00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:34,165
Are those your pictures or aren't they?
422
00:18:34,165 --> 00:18:35,200
Yeah.
423
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,468
All right, now start explaining.
424
00:18:40,288 --> 00:18:44,074
It started small.
425
00:18:45,371 --> 00:18:49,553
This one girl... my buddy had
a falling out with this girl...
426
00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,352
so he took some nude
photos that he took of her
427
00:18:54,352 --> 00:18:57,241
and he put them up on the net
to get back at her.
428
00:18:57,508 --> 00:18:59,219
And you did him that favor?
429
00:18:59,219 --> 00:19:00,644
Yeah.
430
00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:05,883
But what we didn't expect was all these guys
who emailed us asking everything about her.
431
00:19:06,263 --> 00:19:07,952
What kind of guys?
432
00:19:08,151 --> 00:19:10,727
Guys who saw the pictures,
got turned on,
433
00:19:10,727 --> 00:19:12,276
and were willing to pay.
434
00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:14,906
And thus, a business was born.
435
00:19:15,926 --> 00:19:17,862
First it was just girls we knew,
436
00:19:17,862 --> 00:19:20,326
girls we were dating,
girls we picked up.
437
00:19:21,117 --> 00:19:23,325
But the money was big
438
00:19:23,325 --> 00:19:25,286
and it was real.
439
00:19:26,454 --> 00:19:28,415
So we started taking requests.
440
00:19:28,415 --> 00:19:30,499
They go, "Get me a redhead," or
441
00:19:30,499 --> 00:19:32,900
"I'm looking for a flatchested girl."
442
00:19:33,378 --> 00:19:35,446
I don't know, these guys are freaks.
443
00:19:35,446 --> 00:19:38,466
Yeah, but they got the money,
and you're their pimp.
444
00:19:39,091 --> 00:19:41,470
I was... I was just giving
people what they want.
445
00:19:41,470 --> 00:19:43,973
No, that's what I said,
you're a pimp.
446
00:19:43,973 --> 00:19:45,565
For cyberjohns, you're a pimp.
447
00:19:45,565 --> 00:19:47,602
Guys like The Yachtsman.
448
00:19:48,325 --> 00:19:51,075
Yeah, him and others.
449
00:19:51,448 --> 00:19:53,386
What about the money?
450
00:19:53,386 --> 00:19:55,107
They paid in net cash.
451
00:19:55,107 --> 00:19:59,407
They paid in credits on websites.
It's all untraceable cyberbucks.
452
00:19:59,598 --> 00:20:01,625
That was the genius of it.
453
00:20:01,625 --> 00:20:03,282
To muddy up the waters.
454
00:20:03,423 --> 00:20:05,583
To keep the cops away.
455
00:20:05,811 --> 00:20:07,317
Nice try.
456
00:20:13,470 --> 00:20:16,026
Okay, so I'm going to
go over to Hannah's now.
457
00:20:17,463 --> 00:20:18,797
Now?
458
00:20:18,797 --> 00:20:21,108
- Yeah, I have a history test.
- It's next Tuesday.
459
00:20:21,108 --> 00:20:21,931
Yeah.
460
00:20:21,931 --> 00:20:23,862
She can come over here.
461
00:20:25,013 --> 00:20:28,892
But she's an only child,
it's so much quieter at her place.
462
00:20:28,892 --> 00:20:31,019
Over at her mom's or her dad's?
463
00:20:31,019 --> 00:20:32,729
Well...
464
00:20:32,729 --> 00:20:34,252
why?
465
00:20:34,489 --> 00:20:37,359
Why do I want to know who's
going to be watching my child?
466
00:20:37,734 --> 00:20:39,736
But I don't understand.
467
00:20:39,736 --> 00:20:41,629
How do you know all this?
468
00:20:41,629 --> 00:20:44,615
How do you know I have
a history test next Tuesday?
469
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,035
Have you been reading my email?
470
00:20:47,035 --> 00:20:48,177
Well...
471
00:20:48,177 --> 00:20:49,875
You have, haven't you?
472
00:20:50,566 --> 00:20:55,195
I just wanted to find out if someone was
sending you things you shouldn't be looking at.
473
00:20:55,195 --> 00:20:56,759
Of course they do!
474
00:20:56,759 --> 00:21:01,132
I get at least 10 junk emails a day
and I delete them all, Dad!
475
00:21:01,132 --> 00:21:02,773
What else have you gone through?!
476
00:21:02,773 --> 00:21:04,365
Look, I know you think I'm paranoid,
477
00:21:04,365 --> 00:21:05,638
Hello?
478
00:21:05,638 --> 00:21:08,223
Let's just talk about this.
You can tell me anything you want.
479
00:21:08,223 --> 00:21:09,992
This is going real well.
480
00:21:09,992 --> 00:21:11,532
You want to read my journal, too?
481
00:21:11,532 --> 00:21:13,333
No!
482
00:21:13,644 --> 00:21:15,646
You have a journal?
483
00:21:16,004 --> 00:21:17,811
Unbelievable!
484
00:21:25,202 --> 00:21:27,811
This Yachtsman's got
a taste for naked pictures.
485
00:21:27,811 --> 00:21:30,445
He and everyone else.
Number one search term on the Internet?
486
00:21:30,445 --> 00:21:31,545
Sex?
487
00:21:31,545 --> 00:21:33,437
Number two.
Number one is Pam Anderson.
488
00:21:33,437 --> 00:21:35,544
Pam Anderson is well over 18.
489
00:21:35,544 --> 00:21:37,656
Those pictures show girls
who are not.
490
00:21:37,656 --> 00:21:38,919
They could be faked.
491
00:21:38,919 --> 00:21:42,239
You know, Catalog pictures digitally
altered to make them appear naked.
492
00:21:42,239 --> 00:21:46,314
Thank you, John, but I'd just as soon
hear him make his rationalizations in person.
493
00:21:46,314 --> 00:21:48,183
Except we still don't know where he is.
494
00:21:48,183 --> 00:21:49,493
Well, let's trace his email.
495
00:21:49,493 --> 00:21:51,599
He's real sharp.
He reroutes his sessions
496
00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:53,998
so it appears he's logging
in from a new location.
497
00:21:53,998 --> 00:21:55,519
Kind of a hightech shell game.
498
00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:57,303
Then let's make him come to us.
499
00:21:57,303 --> 00:21:58,678
We know where
he goes on the net.
500
00:21:58,678 --> 00:22:00,223
That we do...
teenager chat rooms.
501
00:22:00,223 --> 00:22:02,295
And we know what he desires.
502
00:22:02,295 --> 00:22:04,961
Yeah, Britney Spears,
only 10 years younger.
503
00:22:04,961 --> 00:22:07,782
Well then, let's give
the man what he wants.
504
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:09,869
Yachtsman is on the air.
505
00:22:09,869 --> 00:22:13,412
He's explaining to a girl named Marie
how to filch Prozac from her mother.
506
00:22:13,412 --> 00:22:14,959
Talk to him.
507
00:22:14,959 --> 00:22:18,209
Okay, my parents are so harsh.
508
00:22:23,719 --> 00:22:25,467
You got him.
509
00:22:25,467 --> 00:22:27,727
He says he, like, understands.
510
00:22:28,595 --> 00:22:30,614
As if.
511
00:22:31,390 --> 00:22:34,897
I wonder if some of these people
wouldn't have followed certain instincts...
512
00:22:34,897 --> 00:22:36,975
But from the privacy of your home,
513
00:22:36,975 --> 00:22:39,332
forbidden is so much easier.
514
00:22:41,865 --> 00:22:43,419
He wants to meet in person.
515
00:22:43,419 --> 00:22:44,632
Where?
516
00:22:44,632 --> 00:22:47,683
A cafe in Chelsea, tomorrow, noon.
517
00:23:04,571 --> 00:23:06,265
Excuse me.
518
00:23:06,265 --> 00:23:08,027
Hi.
519
00:23:08,027 --> 00:23:09,764
I'm The Yachtsman.
520
00:23:09,927 --> 00:23:11,777
You must be Nicole.
521
00:23:11,861 --> 00:23:13,807
Actually, I'm Nicole.
522
00:23:13,807 --> 00:23:15,024
Let's go.
523
00:23:15,749 --> 00:23:17,268
You can talk to my lawyer.
524
00:23:17,268 --> 00:23:19,205
That's all I'm going to say.
525
00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:22,290
What are you charging my client with?
526
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,317
Soliciting a minor.
527
00:23:24,317 --> 00:23:27,153
I thought he solicited
a 48 year old detective.
528
00:23:27,153 --> 00:23:28,405
A man named John Munch.
529
00:23:28,405 --> 00:23:30,125
He thought it was a 12 year old girl.
530
00:23:30,125 --> 00:23:31,373
How do you know that?
531
00:23:31,373 --> 00:23:35,500
You'll get a transcript of his chat room
pickup lines in the discovery phase.
532
00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,668
A chat room in which you and your fellow
"thought police" were participating?
533
00:23:39,668 --> 00:23:41,938
But I suppose you were just working.
534
00:23:41,938 --> 00:23:43,583
Excuse me,
535
00:23:43,583 --> 00:23:45,154
could I have a word with you, please?
536
00:23:47,533 --> 00:23:49,786
- Off the record?
- Sure.
537
00:23:51,095 --> 00:23:53,638
Your client was discovered
by one of his coworkers
538
00:23:53,638 --> 00:23:56,147
having a fling with
a 12 year old in Cuba.
539
00:23:56,147 --> 00:23:57,412
12, Ms. Hammond.
540
00:23:57,412 --> 00:23:59,312
The same people that
fired him told you that.
541
00:23:59,312 --> 00:24:00,735
He wasn't fired, he quit.
542
00:24:00,735 --> 00:24:02,699
And his computer is full of kiddie porn.
543
00:24:02,699 --> 00:24:08,388
So I'm supposed to give him something
less than the best possible legal advice?
544
00:24:08,388 --> 00:24:09,610
You have children, Ms. Hammond?
545
00:24:09,610 --> 00:24:11,532
I have three nieces.
546
00:24:11,532 --> 00:24:14,034
And I understand what you're
trying to tell me about my client,
547
00:24:14,034 --> 00:24:17,297
but I'm not going to be remiss
in my duty as an attorney
548
00:24:17,297 --> 00:24:20,310
just because you haven't
made a credible case yet.
549
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:22,166
It'll be credible to a jury.
550
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,675
She's going to argue that he knew
he was talking to an adult the entire time.
551
00:24:30,675 --> 00:24:32,677
Role playing, fantasizing, whatever.
552
00:24:32,677 --> 00:24:34,888
He solicited minors multiple times.
553
00:24:34,888 --> 00:24:36,543
Flesh and blood minors!
554
00:24:36,543 --> 00:24:38,776
These are someone's
children, for God's sake!
555
00:24:38,776 --> 00:24:40,443
Don, I hear you,
556
00:24:40,443 --> 00:24:43,125
but two years ago I didn't
know my ass from Windows 95.
557
00:24:43,125 --> 00:24:47,559
Cyberspace crimes are
very, very tough to prosecute.
558
00:24:49,874 --> 00:24:51,612
He is a clear threat to society.
559
00:24:51,612 --> 00:24:54,369
I know, but we don't have a case!
560
00:25:00,018 --> 00:25:03,832
"Altsexteens,"
"fatherdaughter lovefest,"
561
00:25:03,832 --> 00:25:05,208
"The MayDecember league."
562
00:25:05,208 --> 00:25:08,135
This is how Waters spends his time
and still Eastman won't file on him.
563
00:25:08,135 --> 00:25:09,201
What does she want?
564
00:25:09,201 --> 00:25:11,257
She says a jury might go either way
565
00:25:11,257 --> 00:25:14,220
on the soliciting charge,
so she kicked it back to us.
566
00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:15,791
I'll tell you what,
forget about the internet.
567
00:25:15,791 --> 00:25:18,108
Bring me a victim
Eastman can put on the stand.
568
00:25:18,108 --> 00:25:19,857
All we have is
what he's done online.
569
00:25:19,857 --> 00:25:21,581
Except for his big date with Munch,
570
00:25:21,581 --> 00:25:24,409
we have no evidence he ever
contacted his little friends.
571
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:26,254
Except for the panty auctions.
572
00:25:26,254 --> 00:25:27,765
Whoa, whoa, what is this?
573
00:25:27,765 --> 00:25:29,917
He bought panties
from little schoolgirls.
574
00:25:29,917 --> 00:25:32,539
Perversion by mail,
he never bought anything in person.
575
00:25:32,539 --> 00:25:35,573
Maybe he was more interested
in the return address than in the panties.
576
00:25:35,573 --> 00:25:38,368
He bought three pairs
from a 15yearold in Queens.
577
00:25:38,368 --> 00:25:41,733
Shipped oneday mail in
a plain brown wrapper.
578
00:25:42,845 --> 00:25:45,378
Home Of Doris Harrington
263 Holland Street, Queens
Friday, February 25
579
00:25:45,378 --> 00:25:48,336
We're looking for
a Doris Harrington. Is she in?
580
00:25:48,336 --> 00:25:50,905
No. No, she's not, I'm afraid.
581
00:25:50,905 --> 00:25:52,162
Are you her mother?
582
00:25:52,162 --> 00:25:54,800
I'm flattered,
but I'm a grandmother.
583
00:25:55,901 --> 00:25:58,013
Can I ask what you want?
584
00:25:58,013 --> 00:25:59,777
Pedophilia, Mrs...?
585
00:25:59,777 --> 00:26:01,390
Harrington.
586
00:26:03,713 --> 00:26:06,957
You mind if we come in before
we all freeze to death, please?
587
00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:10,787
- Hello, ladies.
- It's the police.
588
00:26:10,787 --> 00:26:14,001
High stakes canasta, do the
Mashantucket Pequots know about this?
589
00:26:14,001 --> 00:26:15,803
We're not doing anything illegal!
590
00:26:15,803 --> 00:26:17,535
Did I say you were?
591
00:26:17,535 --> 00:26:19,672
The vibe in here is
a tad touchy, Mrs. Harrington.
592
00:26:19,672 --> 00:26:21,453
It's not easy getting old.
593
00:26:21,453 --> 00:26:23,622
No ageism implied, but we need
to talk to your granddaughter.
594
00:26:23,622 --> 00:26:25,082
We think she's in danger.
595
00:26:25,082 --> 00:26:28,420
Did you read the warrant, Doris?
596
00:26:28,420 --> 00:26:30,097
Doris?!
597
00:26:30,097 --> 00:26:31,138
You're Doris?
598
00:26:31,138 --> 00:26:35,273
Yes, my granddaughter's name is Elaine.
599
00:26:35,273 --> 00:26:36,470
She's in school, I hope.
600
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:37,566
May I?
601
00:26:37,566 --> 00:26:39,491
No! This isn't Russia!
602
00:26:39,491 --> 00:26:41,015
Shut up, Betty.
603
00:26:48,985 --> 00:26:51,552
Uh, well, you've heard of the, uh...
604
00:26:51,552 --> 00:26:54,360
Beardstown Ladies' Investment Club?
605
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:55,680
Well,
606
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,513
we found our own niche.
607
00:26:57,513 --> 00:26:59,091
I hope these are
your granddaughter's.
608
00:26:59,091 --> 00:27:00,551
Of course!
609
00:27:00,551 --> 00:27:04,683
We advertise used
Homecoming Queen undergarments.
610
00:27:04,683 --> 00:27:07,601
- That's what we provide.
- Truth in advertising.
611
00:27:07,601 --> 00:27:11,467
I'm sure "Parents" magazine will
award you their seal of approval.
612
00:27:12,096 --> 00:27:14,964
St. Monica's High School
Floral Park, Queens
Friday, February 25
613
00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:19,143
This is the first time we've had
detectives on our campus this year.
614
00:27:19,143 --> 00:27:21,602
We pride ourselves
on our security here.
615
00:27:21,602 --> 00:27:23,647
Metal detectors can only go so far.
616
00:27:23,647 --> 00:27:25,659
Which is why I've hired an outside firm
617
00:27:25,659 --> 00:27:27,692
to conduct background
checks on every teacher,
618
00:27:27,692 --> 00:27:29,421
every janitor, every cook.
619
00:27:29,421 --> 00:27:30,481
That's a good start.
620
00:27:30,481 --> 00:27:34,337
We conduct random locker searches
with drug dogs several times a month,
621
00:27:34,337 --> 00:27:37,575
enforce a strict dress code,
ban all pagers, all cell phones.
622
00:27:37,575 --> 00:27:39,031
How about the internet?
623
00:27:39,031 --> 00:27:41,407
We make every effort to regulate
our students internet usage.
624
00:27:41,407 --> 00:27:42,383
Like how?
625
00:27:42,383 --> 00:27:46,203
Certain software blocks out certain sites,
but you know what kept happening?
626
00:27:46,203 --> 00:27:47,246
Computers crashed?
627
00:27:47,246 --> 00:27:49,835
One of our students was doing
a report on breast cancer...
628
00:27:49,835 --> 00:27:52,475
could not access any site
featuring the word "breast."
629
00:27:52,475 --> 00:27:53,989
Did you remove the block?
630
00:27:53,989 --> 00:27:56,089
Our students are most important.
631
00:27:56,089 --> 00:27:58,252
At their age, their bodies
are constantly changing.
632
00:27:58,252 --> 00:28:00,452
It's weird, sometimes scary stuff.
633
00:28:00,452 --> 00:28:03,055
But if one of our students
wanted to go on the net
634
00:28:03,055 --> 00:28:05,037
and get some info
on their changing bodies,
635
00:28:05,037 --> 00:28:07,248
they'd have to use the anatomical terms...
636
00:28:07,248 --> 00:28:08,601
And the software locks it out.
637
00:28:08,601 --> 00:28:11,201
So, we locked out the software,
638
00:28:11,201 --> 00:28:13,898
which maybe we shouldn't have done.
639
00:28:15,734 --> 00:28:18,862
Elaine, this is Detective Stabler,
Detective Benson.
640
00:28:18,862 --> 00:28:21,088
They'd like to ask you
a few questions.
641
00:28:21,822 --> 00:28:23,099
What did I do?
642
00:28:23,099 --> 00:28:26,745
We just want to know if you know
a man named Harry Waters?
643
00:28:28,085 --> 00:28:29,251
No.
644
00:28:29,251 --> 00:28:31,666
Online he's known as The Yachtsman?
645
00:28:37,297 --> 00:28:38,468
Elaine,
646
00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:40,569
are you sure that you
never heard of him?
647
00:28:42,051 --> 00:28:44,163
Do you know him?
648
00:28:46,471 --> 00:28:48,515
- Yeah.
- Uhhuh.
649
00:28:48,683 --> 00:28:50,526
How do you know him?
650
00:28:52,696 --> 00:28:53,912
We...
651
00:28:55,601 --> 00:28:57,775
we had a thing.
652
00:28:57,775 --> 00:29:00,160
What kind of a thing?
653
00:29:01,284 --> 00:29:04,616
Why don't we go somewhere
else and talk about it, okay?
654
00:29:04,616 --> 00:29:06,158
Let's go.
655
00:29:07,220 --> 00:29:11,747
This "thing" between you and Waters,
when did it begin?
656
00:29:13,144 --> 00:29:16,649
I was just hanging around
the house one day when he came by.
657
00:29:17,808 --> 00:29:19,483
What was he doing there?
658
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,243
He wanted to order more...
659
00:29:24,243 --> 00:29:25,647
Panties?
660
00:29:25,647 --> 00:29:26,621
Don't worry about that.
661
00:29:26,621 --> 00:29:29,223
Your grandmother told us
that it was all her idea.
662
00:29:30,793 --> 00:29:32,532
I thought it was goofy,
663
00:29:32,532 --> 00:29:34,656
kind of funny.
664
00:29:35,198 --> 00:29:38,171
But he was really nice.
665
00:29:38,294 --> 00:29:42,627
He talked about his own daughter
who died in a car crash.
666
00:29:43,159 --> 00:29:45,952
Okay, so he came
onto you like a father.
667
00:29:48,848 --> 00:29:52,847
He was interested in
what I was doing in school.
668
00:29:53,075 --> 00:29:56,418
What music I liked
and what I liked to do for fun.
669
00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:59,471
Did he ever ask you
how old you are?
670
00:30:00,677 --> 00:30:02,697
I told him 14.
671
00:30:03,635 --> 00:30:07,178
We had already discussed
"The Age of Innocence" and all that.
672
00:30:08,183 --> 00:30:11,266
Elaine, when did it become intimate?
673
00:30:13,741 --> 00:30:16,172
September.
674
00:30:16,970 --> 00:30:19,746
We met at the park by the fountain.
675
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:27,086
It was a Saturday, so there
were a lot of families around.
676
00:30:29,334 --> 00:30:31,381
It was nice.
677
00:30:33,893 --> 00:30:37,251
My own dad left when I was eight.
678
00:30:40,522 --> 00:30:42,630
So then,
679
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,058
he took me to this...
680
00:30:45,058 --> 00:30:48,429
beautiful restaurant on the river.
681
00:30:49,862 --> 00:30:52,723
He made me feel like a princess.
682
00:30:55,144 --> 00:30:57,789
Elaine, did he force you
to have sex with him?
683
00:31:00,578 --> 00:31:02,284
No.
684
00:31:02,284 --> 00:31:04,443
Not really. I mean...
685
00:31:05,177 --> 00:31:07,876
he did stuff to himself, but...
686
00:31:07,876 --> 00:31:10,950
It's okay, it's over now.
687
00:31:11,130 --> 00:31:13,286
It was just...
688
00:31:13,286 --> 00:31:15,833
the smell of him...
689
00:31:15,833 --> 00:31:16,923
it just...
690
00:31:16,923 --> 00:31:20,167
it reminded me of my dad.
691
00:31:32,651 --> 00:31:34,393
Have we got anything
on this guy, or what?
692
00:31:34,393 --> 00:31:36,753
He propositioned her,
but no actual sex.
693
00:31:36,753 --> 00:31:38,352
Actual sex.
694
00:31:38,610 --> 00:31:42,356
He flashed her, he perved her
in ways she's not even aware of.
695
00:31:45,046 --> 00:31:47,080
Okay,
696
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,531
how about this:
697
00:31:48,531 --> 00:31:52,463
He entered into an improper
relationship with a minor.
698
00:31:53,409 --> 00:31:55,471
You just said no real sex...
699
00:31:55,471 --> 00:31:58,098
according to her story.
700
00:31:58,098 --> 00:32:00,134
He doesn't know that.
701
00:32:00,483 --> 00:32:02,596
He doesn't know what she told us.
702
00:32:02,932 --> 00:32:05,809
Captain, you're not suggesting
we lie to the poor man?
703
00:32:05,809 --> 00:32:07,481
Absolutely not.
704
00:32:07,481 --> 00:32:08,926
Role playing.
705
00:32:08,926 --> 00:32:10,933
Fantasy, makebelieve.
706
00:32:11,093 --> 00:32:14,701
That crap he's been pedaling
to us about victimless crimes.
707
00:32:15,312 --> 00:32:17,123
I'll have him here tomorrow morning.
708
00:32:24,102 --> 00:32:25,738
- Good morning.
- What's this about?
709
00:32:25,738 --> 00:32:27,748
My client is not going
to answer your questions.
710
00:32:27,748 --> 00:32:29,044
So you said.
711
00:32:29,044 --> 00:32:30,305
Things change.
712
00:32:30,305 --> 00:32:31,966
What things?
713
00:32:33,346 --> 00:32:36,261
The 14 year old's story.
714
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,633
Different, isn't it?
715
00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:53,654
when you see the real victim
and not some computer generated image,
716
00:32:53,654 --> 00:32:56,342
but a real child with a broken heart?
717
00:32:56,999 --> 00:32:59,685
At least, that's what the jury'll see.
718
00:32:59,685 --> 00:33:01,295
- Where can we talk?
- Harry.
719
00:33:01,295 --> 00:33:02,750
Now.
720
00:33:05,109 --> 00:33:06,941
Let's start with statutory rape.
721
00:33:06,941 --> 00:33:10,807
Then you get to the lesser inclusives,
which could include soliciting, sodomy,
722
00:33:10,807 --> 00:33:12,876
transporting a minor across state lines.
723
00:33:12,876 --> 00:33:15,587
- Transporting?
- She said he took her to the Jersey shore.
724
00:33:15,587 --> 00:33:18,036
A nice outing.
Completely innocent.
725
00:33:18,036 --> 00:33:21,123
If you go federal on this,
I'm going to trial.
726
00:33:21,123 --> 00:33:22,562
We can stay out of federal courts.
727
00:33:22,562 --> 00:33:23,813
How?
728
00:33:23,813 --> 00:33:26,546
Give us the names and dates
of all his contacts with minors.
729
00:33:26,546 --> 00:33:28,755
He had one interaction with one girl.
730
00:33:28,755 --> 00:33:31,093
She's the first girl we found.
731
00:33:31,093 --> 00:33:32,133
No.
732
00:33:32,133 --> 00:33:33,885
He cops to one act with her,
733
00:33:33,885 --> 00:33:36,846
he becomes a registered sex offender,
and he joins a program.
734
00:33:36,846 --> 00:33:39,517
No, he does time or we're done talking.
735
00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:40,906
Let me finish.
736
00:33:40,906 --> 00:33:43,200
He does have something to offer.
737
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,075
Tempt us.
738
00:33:44,075 --> 00:33:48,322
He says he might have the names
of other men with the same affliction.
739
00:33:48,322 --> 00:33:49,712
What affliction?
740
00:33:49,712 --> 00:33:52,558
Pedophilia is recognized
by the Psychiatric Board...
741
00:33:52,558 --> 00:33:54,197
Come on now, spare us.
742
00:33:54,197 --> 00:33:55,531
Elliot, hold on.
743
00:33:55,531 --> 00:33:57,104
He's got names?
744
00:33:57,104 --> 00:33:58,090
Other pedophiles?
745
00:33:58,090 --> 00:34:01,487
Nine of them.
He'll deliver them in person.
746
00:34:02,725 --> 00:34:05,294
How much time would
he serve on sex with a minor?
747
00:34:05,294 --> 00:34:08,336
Up to five years.
More with the lesser inclusives.
748
00:34:08,505 --> 00:34:10,776
- He takes the maximum.
- That's not a deal.
749
00:34:10,776 --> 00:34:12,446
You let me finish.
750
00:34:13,174 --> 00:34:16,492
We knock off six months for
every pedophile who's convicted.
751
00:34:16,492 --> 00:34:18,649
Convicted?
What if you screw up?
752
00:34:18,649 --> 00:34:20,414
What if the jury doesn't convict them?
753
00:34:20,414 --> 00:34:23,793
Hey, then I guess he does the time
that he'd be doing anyway.
754
00:34:28,154 --> 00:34:29,609
I'll talk to him.
755
00:34:35,335 --> 00:34:37,514
How did you meet the others?
756
00:34:37,514 --> 00:34:41,493
Well, a couple the old fashioned way.
757
00:34:41,620 --> 00:34:43,495
Yeah, what's that?
758
00:34:43,853 --> 00:34:46,116
There are certain things you say that
759
00:34:46,116 --> 00:34:48,669
a child lover understands
760
00:34:48,669 --> 00:34:50,031
that no one else would notice.
761
00:34:50,031 --> 00:34:52,717
Such as?
762
00:34:53,609 --> 00:34:55,005
All right.
763
00:34:55,005 --> 00:34:57,547
Okay.
764
00:34:57,547 --> 00:34:59,554
First of all,
765
00:34:59,647 --> 00:35:02,235
say I see a guy
at a roller rink, my age,
766
00:35:02,235 --> 00:35:07,157
but without any kids...
just a man by himself.
767
00:35:08,062 --> 00:35:11,782
The way he's
watching the kids...
768
00:35:12,994 --> 00:35:14,795
well,
769
00:35:14,986 --> 00:35:16,904
you just know.
770
00:35:17,717 --> 00:35:19,658
How do you make contact?
771
00:35:19,658 --> 00:35:21,357
Strike up a conversation.
772
00:35:21,357 --> 00:35:24,603
Maybe ask him
about a "G" rated movie.
773
00:35:25,563 --> 00:35:28,624
If he's like me,
he's seen them all.
774
00:35:29,376 --> 00:35:31,691
So you can relate
better to the kids?
775
00:35:32,676 --> 00:35:35,066
Rapport is crucial.
776
00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:37,451
Like getting their sympathy
with that phony story
777
00:35:37,451 --> 00:35:40,653
about your poor little
daughter's car crash?
778
00:35:41,118 --> 00:35:43,824
Yeah, I checked.
779
00:35:43,824 --> 00:35:46,947
You're talking "Pocahontas,"
but really what you're saying is,
780
00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:49,645
"Are you a pedophile, too?"
781
00:35:49,854 --> 00:35:52,288
That's your term, not ours.
782
00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:55,722
"Do you love children?"
Is how I'd put it.
783
00:35:55,722 --> 00:35:57,801
God, I don't believe this.
784
00:35:58,326 --> 00:36:01,994
You want into our world,
Detective, believe it.
785
00:36:05,684 --> 00:36:07,811
Stop hitting the computer.
786
00:36:07,811 --> 00:36:09,419
I can't get on.
787
00:36:09,419 --> 00:36:12,096
That's 'cause I put
a child lock on there.
788
00:36:12,484 --> 00:36:14,212
My homework's on this computer.
789
00:36:14,212 --> 00:36:16,244
Okay, I'll take it off.
790
00:36:17,676 --> 00:36:19,717
It's not working.
791
00:36:22,971 --> 00:36:25,729
Do you know how to fix this?
792
00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:32,061
Those child lock things are a joke.
793
00:36:34,075 --> 00:36:35,650
That quick, huh?
794
00:36:35,650 --> 00:36:37,252
Yes.
795
00:36:37,577 --> 00:36:40,321
When are you going
to start trusting me?
796
00:36:44,137 --> 00:36:46,256
I trust you.
797
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,121
Sometimes I bring
my work home with me.
798
00:36:49,121 --> 00:36:51,665
Right now, I'm chasing
a guy out there in...
799
00:36:53,168 --> 00:36:55,296
cyberspace,
800
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:58,367
who goes after little girls.
801
00:36:58,923 --> 00:37:02,968
You know how I lock up
all the doors and windows?
802
00:37:05,429 --> 00:37:08,396
Now they're coming in through there.
803
00:37:11,150 --> 00:37:13,853
This is about fear.
804
00:37:14,072 --> 00:37:16,574
This is not about trust.
805
00:37:19,709 --> 00:37:22,047
Stop reading my email.
806
00:37:25,742 --> 00:37:28,244
Okay.
807
00:37:28,297 --> 00:37:30,585
I promise,
808
00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:33,166
and I'm sorry.
809
00:37:40,899 --> 00:37:45,713
Benson, Jeffries, and I will be in
the storeroom off the main event here,
810
00:37:45,713 --> 00:37:48,001
taping and waiting until the bust.
811
00:37:48,001 --> 00:37:49,723
Okay, what's the signal?
812
00:37:49,723 --> 00:37:51,333
Flash the banquet room lights twice?
813
00:37:51,333 --> 00:37:55,030
Great. Munch, Stabler, you'll be in
the banquet room with the guests of honor.
814
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:56,414
Where's the line on entrapment?
815
00:37:56,414 --> 00:37:58,024
You're not advocating any crime,
816
00:37:58,024 --> 00:38:00,129
just getting accounts
of crimes already occurred.
817
00:38:00,129 --> 00:38:02,040
You can do or say anything.
818
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:03,710
What if they claim
they're playacting?
819
00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:04,756
That's a risk.
820
00:38:04,756 --> 00:38:06,366
We need names of the victims.
821
00:38:06,366 --> 00:38:07,182
We need dates.
822
00:38:07,182 --> 00:38:10,790
We need them to say
as many specific details as possible.
823
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:12,809
So we can follow up and
get additional witnesses.
824
00:38:12,809 --> 00:38:14,685
The tape itself is not
going to convict anybody.
825
00:38:14,685 --> 00:38:17,835
What do child molesters talk
about when they get together?
826
00:38:18,426 --> 00:38:21,937
Arbell's Restaurant And Lounge
790 10th Avenue
Monday, February 28
827
00:38:21,937 --> 00:38:24,069
The shopping bag cam...
excellent!
828
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:28,603
I downloaded an hour of
"up their skirts" at the shoe store,
829
00:38:28,603 --> 00:38:30,703
but the playground...
830
00:38:30,852 --> 00:38:33,357
Hey, there he is.
You didn't finish that story.
831
00:38:33,357 --> 00:38:35,878
You met him where,
at that convention or something?
832
00:38:35,878 --> 00:38:37,471
- Harry and me?
- Yeah.
833
00:38:37,471 --> 00:38:40,025
- "Holiday on Ice."
- Right.
834
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:41,881
I prefer gymnastics.
835
00:38:41,881 --> 00:38:44,334
The girls are younger,
the outfits tighter.
836
00:38:44,334 --> 00:38:46,592
The Swedish horse...
don't get me started.
837
00:38:46,592 --> 00:38:50,452
You were with that little redhead.
What was her name? Astrid?
838
00:38:50,452 --> 00:38:52,454
- Astrid Brooks.
- Right.
839
00:38:52,454 --> 00:38:56,219
Sweet 16 and the
hottest babe I'd ever had.
840
00:38:56,219 --> 00:38:59,723
And if I never hear her name again
I'll die a happy man.
841
00:38:59,723 --> 00:39:02,777
Heartbreak?
842
00:39:02,781 --> 00:39:04,718
She got her driver's license,
843
00:39:04,718 --> 00:39:08,930
and that's when I learned
I was just a glorified taxi service.
844
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:10,168
Sally Ashton.
845
00:39:10,168 --> 00:39:12,264
I had this girl Pauline, Pauline Drake.
846
00:39:12,264 --> 00:39:14,601
All she wanted was beer
and "R" rated movies.
847
00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:15,903
How bad is that?
848
00:39:15,903 --> 00:39:18,689
She lived in Coop City, didn't she?
849
00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:19,830
Yeah.
850
00:39:19,830 --> 00:39:21,900
Astrid Brooks,
851
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:24,110
Sally Ashton
852
00:39:24,110 --> 00:39:26,673
and Pauline Drake.
853
00:39:26,673 --> 00:39:30,035
Let's give it a little time,
see if we get more bites.
854
00:39:30,166 --> 00:39:34,668
I just want to thank
all you guys for coming out tonight.
855
00:39:34,668 --> 00:39:38,457
It's always good to be
among likeminded people.
856
00:39:38,551 --> 00:39:40,670
- To Greek philosophers.
- Hear, hear!
857
00:39:40,918 --> 00:39:42,921
You know, I hate to
bring business into this,
858
00:39:42,921 --> 00:39:46,733
but I have some product
in my car if anybody's interested.
859
00:39:46,733 --> 00:39:50,191
You'll need a high speed
graphics equalizer to download it,
860
00:39:50,191 --> 00:39:52,055
but I'm sure that's
not going to be a problem.
861
00:39:52,055 --> 00:39:54,100
It's not for nothing, McClintock,
862
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,355
but those home movies you sold me looked
like they were shot by an eightyearold.
863
00:39:57,827 --> 00:39:59,590
Alright. Put your hands
where we can see them!
864
00:39:59,590 --> 00:40:01,876
- Okay, party's over!
- Up against the north wall, now!
865
00:40:01,876 --> 00:40:04,775
- Now.
- Let's go, up against the wall, now!
866
00:40:07,444 --> 00:40:09,419
Let's go, pal.
Slowly, but quietly.
867
00:40:09,419 --> 00:40:11,716
- I'm FBI.
- FBI or NAMBLA?
868
00:40:11,716 --> 00:40:15,125
Check my breast pocket.
869
00:40:21,446 --> 00:40:26,030
Don't you ever badmouth my people
in their own stationhouse.
870
00:40:26,274 --> 00:40:27,903
Better get used to it,
871
00:40:27,903 --> 00:40:29,558
'cause when I tell
Langley how an operation
872
00:40:29,558 --> 00:40:31,969
that involved nine
regional bureaus got blown,
873
00:40:31,969 --> 00:40:33,880
your name is going to
be prominently featured.
874
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,121
It's spelled CRACEN.
875
00:40:36,121 --> 00:40:39,733
And we were doing what we always do,
which is to take pedophiles off the street.
876
00:40:39,733 --> 00:40:41,191
Four collars
877
00:40:41,191 --> 00:40:42,772
at the expense of hundreds more
878
00:40:42,772 --> 00:40:45,407
who right now are getting email
telling them the cops are onto them.
879
00:40:45,407 --> 00:40:46,902
It's a hell of a lot
more than you did for us!
880
00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:48,662
It was an undercover operation!
881
00:40:48,662 --> 00:40:50,966
You were in my city
investigating sex crimes
882
00:40:50,966 --> 00:40:53,161
and you didn't give me a heads up!
883
00:40:53,161 --> 00:40:56,488
We're dealing with virtual world,
which is everywhere and nowhere.
884
00:40:56,488 --> 00:41:00,289
But eventually you gotta put
real life cuffs on a real life perp!
885
00:41:00,289 --> 00:41:02,145
It's not just you.
886
00:41:02,145 --> 00:41:05,684
We were in Los Angeles,
in Chicago and dozens of other places!
887
00:41:05,684 --> 00:41:07,216
It's for the right reason.
888
00:41:07,216 --> 00:41:09,174
We wanted to bring
in the big predators.
889
00:41:09,174 --> 00:41:12,176
That's why the bad guys
are running rings around us.
890
00:41:12,219 --> 00:41:13,594
Why?
891
00:41:13,594 --> 00:41:16,225
Because they're working together...
892
00:41:16,407 --> 00:41:17,945
and we're not.
893
00:41:22,651 --> 00:41:24,548
Butterflies.
894
00:41:24,956 --> 00:41:27,441
Now, how cliche is that?
895
00:41:27,567 --> 00:41:29,450
Delicate, shortlived...
896
00:41:29,450 --> 00:41:31,538
And easy to catch.
897
00:41:31,587 --> 00:41:34,307
Okay, the Brooks girl.
898
00:41:34,307 --> 00:41:35,366
Anyone else?
899
00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:37,118
Oh, yes, many.
900
00:41:37,118 --> 00:41:40,146
The internet has opened
a whole word of possibilities.
901
00:41:40,146 --> 00:41:41,567
Easy access.
902
00:41:41,567 --> 00:41:45,723
No more trees to climb,
no binoculars to lug around.
903
00:41:45,723 --> 00:41:48,934
You just peek into any little girl's
bedroom with a click of your mouse.
904
00:41:48,934 --> 00:41:50,465
You see?
905
00:41:50,465 --> 00:41:51,771
You see what?
906
00:41:51,771 --> 00:41:53,898
You see why the children love me?
907
00:41:53,898 --> 00:41:56,055
He's so cold.
908
00:41:56,055 --> 00:41:58,225
So angry.
909
00:41:59,304 --> 00:42:01,351
The kids from the bad homes,
910
00:42:01,351 --> 00:42:04,855
the neglected ones
and the abused,
911
00:42:04,855 --> 00:42:09,121
when they leave the social worker's office
with their anatomically correct dolls,
912
00:42:09,121 --> 00:42:12,085
when they leave the police station,
913
00:42:12,862 --> 00:42:14,948
they're in tears.
914
00:42:16,296 --> 00:42:18,216
What's your point, Wallis?
915
00:42:20,245 --> 00:42:22,983
When they leave me,
916
00:42:23,105 --> 00:42:25,643
they're all smiles.
917
00:42:28,801 --> 00:42:36,973
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918
00:42:37,708 --> 00:42:41,390
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