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Stand by, two.
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Mix through, cue on two.
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The BBC's announced the appointment
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of ex Head of Olympic Delivery,
Ian Fletcher,
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as its new Head of Values.
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Time now
for the shipping forecast.
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Superimpose.
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Sure, OK, no, I get that.
No, I still get it, no, shut up.
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Monday morning
at the BBC's London headquarters,
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New Broadcasting House,
and already things are happening.
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What we do here, OK, no, shut up,
we go straight to Tamsin at IBS.
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OK, Tasmin, yeah, whatever.
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She's the only one who knows
what's happening.
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The others are are gap-year hair, whatever.
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So potentially serious are
things that head of BBC Brand,
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Siobhan Sharpe,
from communications giant Fun Media,
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is on her way in physically and at speed.
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Yeah, OK, so what she does is she gets
Claudia to tweet a denial.
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Like, now, OK, like, strictly as my life, whatever.
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And we retweet the shit out of it, totally
take out social media from the air.
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OK, no, shut up, I got her.
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I got Tamsin coming at me.
Yeah, Tasmin, yeah, whatever.
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OK, yeah, I gotta go.
I gotta go. OK. Bye.
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Yeah. Hey, Tasmin, how are you?
Good, yeah, I'm good, thanks.
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So, according to
the BBC News App...
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- And don't blame me, OK?
- I'm not, I'm just saying,
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apparently they're offering her
a deal worth
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... million pounds over two years.
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- No, I'm sorry.
- ... million pounds?
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- The fact is, that cannot happen.
- That's what it says here.
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No, I'm sorry.
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- Right, we're stuffed, then.
- Well, hang...
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Meanwhile, upstairs, what was
supposed to be a renewal meeting
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mainly about something
called "distinctivity"
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has spontaneously turned into
an emergency damage limitation meeting
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mostly about disaster.
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Apparently, it's a circus-based show
they're talking about.
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- Circus-based?
- Apparently they're rebooting
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the Cirque de Celebrity format.
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- No, sure.
- Right.
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- Honestly.
- No, I'm sorry.
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I mean, what is it with shows
in fucking tents?
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Well, yes.
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Rumours have surfaced
on Twitter
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that one of the BBC's biggest faces
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and co-host of Strictly Come Dancing,
Claudia Winkleman,
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could be on the point of leaving the BBC
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after being approached
by rival broadcaster ...
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to host a rival show of their own.
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- So, I'm on the Mail online here, OK?
- Right.
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- Blimey.
- I know.
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Anyway, apparently, a source
close to Tess Daly is saying
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that if Claudia leaves Strictly,
then Tess will go too, out of loyalty.
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- Right.
- OK, no.
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- OK.
- I'm sorry.
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Loyalty to what, Lucy?
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- That can't happen.
- I don't know, it doesn't say.
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- Brilliant.
- I'm not being negative or anything,
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but we are in a very dark place here, guys.
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- Brilliant.
- No, I'm sorry, no.
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With charter renewal pending,
this is the worst possible time
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to be facing the prospect of a BBC
devoid of competitive celebrity dancing
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of any kind.
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OK, the key thing is
that everybody remains calm--
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- OK, so, hey, guys.
- Right, Siobhan.
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- Let's do this, OK?
- Yes.
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Let's nail this beaver to the tree.
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Chronologically, Siobhan may
have arrived late to the meeting,
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but in other ways she's already ahead
of both herself and everybody else.
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- OK, so, I spoke with Claudia's agent.
- Right.
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- Brilliant.
- So here's the thing with this.
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Here's what it is, OK, Claudia loves
Strictly, she loves the BBC, whatever.
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- Hurrah.
- Yes, exactly.
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But the thing with Claudia is that
she wants like a change of direction
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at this point in her blah-de-blah,
whatever.
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- Right.
- A change of--
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- No, it's still me.
- Right, yes.
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So, Claudia's like,
"I want to do like serious shit."
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You know, like people dying, whatever.
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And ... I'm, like, you know,
"That's cool, that's, like,
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you can totally do that as well,
like, you can do whatever you want,
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plus we'll pay you a ... load
of money at the same time."
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- So, when--
- So she's like, "I need head space here.
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Like, I need to be in Cornwall, whatever."
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- Right.
- Brilliant.
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So the headline is, "Claudia's in Cornwall
at the moment thinking it over."
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- Excuse me?
- Right, OK.
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OK, the headline, OK, is
"Claudia Winkleman leaves Strictly," OK?
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You pretty much crashed the BBC.
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- No, I'm sorry.
- That's one way of looking at it.
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- It totally is.
- OK, but--
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- You're going to say something brilliant.
- Yes.
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- No.
- You are. I feel it in my bones.
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No, but before we get locked into the idea
of this being some kind of problem,
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is it worth stepping back and looking
at the positives
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- for a moment?
- Really?
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- The positives?
- Yes.
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- I knew it.
- Blimey.
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I mean, for one thing, it looks as though
this might not actually be about money.
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- That's handy, we haven't got any money.
- Exactly. That's a good fit straightaway.
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As Head of Values
and chair of the renewal group,
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the ability to think the sort of thoughts
under pressure
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that no one else would even think
of thinking
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is one of Ian Fletcher's
distinguishing characteristics.
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And we know she's at a point where
she's looking for a change of direction,
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maybe perhaps to be taken
a bit more seriously.
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- Sure.
- But if you think about what we
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were supposed to be
talking about this morning...
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- Right.
- Yes.
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- No, sure.
- Brilliant.
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- Yeah, just remind me.
- The distinctivity audit.
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Oh, yeah, great.
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As part of the charter renewal
process, the BBC has been invited
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to spend time conducting a special
"distinctivity audit"
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of all the ways its output is different
from anything else you've ever seen.
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It's a question of identifying anything
we might have in development
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that's uniquely BBC,
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which is why I asked Matt to join us here
for this as Head of Output.
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- Yeah, no, sure, hey, guys.
- Yeah.
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But what if what Claudia wants
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and what we're looking for
turn out to be exactly the same thing?
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- Blimey.
- Sure.
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OK, no, I get that. That could work.
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'Cause if we are looking at a solution
and not a problem here,
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we could be looking at
a solution of truly epic proportions.
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Ian, please don't take this the wrong way,
but this is where we all wanna hug you.
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- Sure.
- Well, uh...
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- No.
- You the man.
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- Yes, exactly.
- No, really.
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- Just to say you're safe with me, OK?
- Yes, good.
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Meanwhile, elsewhere in the
building, development executive Izzy Gould
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is busy thinking about ideas.
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- Hi.
- Oh, hi. How are you?
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- So, have you seen this?
- No, what?
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No, I thought not.
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But although she may not know
it yet, she's about to realize that
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she may well be involved in enough
developments already for the moment.
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- Jesus, no.
- Yeah.
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- When did this--
- I don't know, just right now.
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- No.
- It's already trending.
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- Oh, shit.
- It's not good news.
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After Hugh Grant was asked for a selfie
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on a recent visit
to New Broadcasting House,
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his people have decided to become incensed
that he was misled
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into endorsing an online campaign
for a BBC product
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when he thought he was
just giving a selfie
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to a slightly unusual
but apparently harmless intern.
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OK, first of all, it's nothing to do
with me, OK?
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- What?
- Like it wasn't my idea.
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- No, I know it wasn't.
- But also...
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- It was mine. It was my idea.
- No.
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No, I knew you'd say that.
That's why I came up here.
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In the circumstances,
they're demanding not only
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that his image be immediately removed
from the campaign,
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but that the BBC
make a charitable donation
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of £1,475,000
to the Worldwide Wildlife Fund,
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a pound for every YouTube hit so far.
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- OK, OK.
- This is really serious, OK?
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- I know.
- Like it's really serious.
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- I know it is.
- OK, but it isn't your fault.
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- What do you mean it wasn't my fault?
- Look...
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- Of course it's my fault.
- OK, you're panicking.
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- I'm not panicking.
- Look...
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Of course I'm panicking.
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Whose idea was it to ask Hugh Grant
for a selfie?
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- OK, no.
- Was it your idea?
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- No, I'm not doing that.
- You absolutely have to.
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I'm not, I can't. I can't do that.
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Basically, what we're talking about
the sort of programs
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you wouldn't see
other broadcasters making.
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- Yeah.
- Exactly.
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- Brilliant.
- The sort of thing no one's gonna watch.
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- The sort of thing only the BBC can do.
- That's what I just said, isn't it?
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Yes, no, very good.
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Back in renewal,
it's becoming clear
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that coming up with a list
of distinctively BBC projects
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currently in development might not be
as easy as it sounds.
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- Sorry, what's this?
- Right, OK.
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- Simon, do you wanna--
- Oh, yes, no.
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Sorry, Lucy, sorry, Ian, brilliant.
It's just a card for Ben and Jerry.
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Right.
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- A leaving card?
- Yes.
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- Right.
- Christ.
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- I know.
- Who knew they weren't here?
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- Brilliant.
- Who?
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Obviously, I have no idea
how these things work, but...
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In the meantime, it seems that
after interviewing both Ben and Jerry
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for a new single post, it's been decided
that in the spirit of "More of Less,"
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the new post itself is to be reimagined
as not existing going forward.
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...as not existing going forward.
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- Reimagined as not existing?
- Exactly.
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- It's terribly bad luck.
- If it's any help, Lucy,
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I didn't know what to put so I put,
"Best of luck, guys."
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- I don't know if that helps.
- I'm not sure.
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- No, probably not.
- Right, OK, well.
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- Yeah, so, anyway...
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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"More of Less" issues aside,
Ian's challenge now
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is to marshal his remaining troops
towards an outcome
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that could just solve
the BBC's distinctivity issues
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and its Claudia Winkleman problem
in one giant solution
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to end all solutions.
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So, yes, have we actually got
anything in development?
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- Sure.
- Yes, exactly, have we got anything?
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No, sure, that's great,
so something to think about here,
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at this point, I mean...
I may be wrong about this... is genre.
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- Right.
- Brilliant.
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- Genre?
- I'm just putting it out there.
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Yes.
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I guess what I'm asking, is it worth
thinking what area are we in here:
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- drama, factual, scripted?
- Yes.
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- Also, just in terms of reach, is it--
- OK, I'm so bored of this.
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- Right.
- Bored?
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- Like #FaceDownInMySoup.
- Well--
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Here's the thing with this, OK?
This is not a safety drill, OK?
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- The engines are totally on fire here.
- Brilliant.
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- No, I'm sorry.
- Yes.
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- The cabin just filled with smoke.
- No, not that.
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OK, so what you need to do is get into
a BBC taxi to Cornwall, like now,
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and you need
to love-bomb Claudia to death.
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- Well, that's--
- A BBC taxi to Cornwall?
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Sure. Or else you guys are flying
a stone turkey one-way to Oblivionsville.
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- Right.
- Yes, no, brilliant. Very clear.
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It's March
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and light returns to the High Arctic,
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sweeping away four months of darkness.
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A polar bear stirs.
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She has been in her den the whole winter.
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Her emergence marks
the beginning of spring.
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After months
of confinement underground,
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she toboggans down the slope,
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perhaps to clean her fur,
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perhaps for sheer joy.
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Whoa.
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Will.
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Her cubs gaze out
at their bright new world...
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Will. - ...for the very first time.
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- Oh, hey, Izzy. Yeah, hey, how are you?
- I'm good, thanks. No, I'm good.
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Cool. Yeah, so I'm watching this
for Ian Fletcher.
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- Yes.
- Yeah, pretty cool.
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- Yes.
- David Attenborough's such a cool guy.
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Yes, he is, yes.
I don't wanna bother you--
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No worries, yeah, cool.
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But I just...
with the whole Super Selfie thing...
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- I know you're mental.
- Well, no.
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A million hits, I didn't even know
who he was.
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No, but when you spoke to him,
when you actually asked him to say "me"...
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Yeah.
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...did you tell him what it was for?
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I don't know.
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- So--
- I definitely told him it was for you.
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- For me.
- Yeah.
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- OK, that's great, Will, thanks.
- OK, cool.
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Yeah, so, people think polar bears
can't smell underwater.
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It's like, no, they totally can.
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- Yes.
- Yeah, like there's this bit--
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- Actually, Will, I better get off.
- OK.
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- But thanks, it's been very helpful.
- No worries.
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Yeah, no worries, yeah.
No worries, yeah, cool.
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OK, well, what about--
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and stay with me on this, OK, guys--
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what about Claudia Winkleman's
History of the Elephant?
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Right. - History of the Elephant?
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I know what you're thinking,
a bit left field.
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That is what I was thinking.
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Meanwhile, it's tomorrow
morning and Head of Output Matt Tavener
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has gathered together
some of his finest brains
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for an important meeting.
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But also it's like a dead-serious
subject for Claudia,
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- Sure.
- 'cause they have their own funerals
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- and everything.
- Yeah, I know, sure.
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That's great. I get where you're coming
from with the "history of" thing.
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Uh, but I guess what I'm asking...
I guess, part of my job is to...
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Their mission is to come up
with program ideas that might address
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Claudia Winkleman's need
to be taken more seriously,
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whilst also addressing the BBC's
distinctivity and charter renewal issues
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in one fell swoop.
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Or, is there something out there
that might give us distinctive
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and serious and, I don't know, quirky
and hinterland in one hit?
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- Yes.
- Where the idea of BBCness is a cold open
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and a leave-behind at the same time.
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- Right.
- Yes.
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Yes. Do you know what,
that's really interesting, Matt.
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What about, is there something, okay:
Claudia Winkleman's History of Water.
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- OK.
- Water?
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It's like it's more BBC somehow.
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- Sure.
- Do you think it's a bit dry for Claudia?
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- Dry?
- Sure.
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- She's so gorgeous.
- The history of water?
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- I see what you're saying, Jack.
- OK, so--
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Claudia Winkleman's History of Fruit.
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- Yeah.
- No. Okay.
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Maybe we should go past
the "history of" thing.
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- Yeah.
- Yes.
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OK, well, if it's BBCness
we're talking about,
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then what about On Your Bike, then?
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- Ooh, now.
- OK.
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- On Your Bike?
- Yes.
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- You're joking.
- In its original format.
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Sure.
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As a serious, like a proper chat show
for Claudia but just on wheels.
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- No, sure.
- 'Cause the thing about that was,
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like I kept trying to say, was...
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- it is so BBC.
- Uh-huh.
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- Genius.
- I don't believe this.
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- Really, interesting.
- Oh, my God, Izzy.
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Sure, Izzy, that's great.
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It's the end of the day,
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and a number of people are already
gathering in the shared experience space
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for a special ceremony to celebrate
the end
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of Ben and Jerry's time at the BBC.
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I'm not being funny or anything,
but I can't be doing with goodbyes.
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- No.
- No.
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Maybe it's my childhood,
but they always end up
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- getting to me in the end.
- Yes, no, very good, Tracey.
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They've been with the BBC
from their arrival
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as junior research executives
all the way through
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to their departure as people
whose jobs no longer exist.
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So it's appropriate that a block
of an entire hour has been booked out
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on the Syncopatispace booking system
in order to speed them on their way.
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- Is someone going to say something?
- Yes, no, sorry, Ian, about what?
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- Well, about Ben and Jerry.
- Yes, of course, no, that's brilliant.
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- Well, no--
- You know how you want to deal with this.
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- Yes, exactly.
- But the good news is,
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we've got them these as a surprise.
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Right, what are they?
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It's interesting, isn't it?
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We don't even know what we've got them?
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I've no idea how these things work,
but that's part of the surprise?
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- Yes, probably.
- Genius.
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Ben and Jerry's unexpected
departure may herald
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the dawn of a new "More of Less" era
for the BBC,
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even though no one really knows
what that means.
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But if there's a new feeling
of uncertainty in the air,
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it seems Lucy has decided that she
might as well apply for the new post
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of Head of Empowerment,
even though no one really knows
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what that means, either.
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- I don't get it, obviously.
- It's really good.
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Is it? I don't know. I probably shouldn't
be asking you, but is Anna on the panel?
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- Anna?
- It's fine if you don't want to...
340
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No, it's fine. I don't think she is, no.
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- Right.
- Nobody tells me anything, obviously,
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- but as far as I'm aware, she's not, no.
- Right.
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- You're not on it?
- Me?
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- 'Cause I mean--
- No. Thank God.
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If I was, I'd have to declare an interest,
wouldn't I?
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- Right.
- I mean, I just--
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- Yes, no, yes.
- Yes.
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OK. OK, thank you.
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Uh, thank you.
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Brilliant. Yes, no, very good.
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Uh, who was it who said that life
is a series of letting go?
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Anyway.
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Do you know what, Simon?
I want to say Elton John.
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- Brilliant.
- Elton John?
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Anyway, what do I know,
but a moment to say
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a few words about why we're all here,
and not just any old words, either.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
current Head of Values
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and all-round Captain Renewal himself,
Ian Fletcher.
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Whoo!
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Right, yes, I mean, thanks, Simon.
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Hurrah.
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So, yes.
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As Simon very much says, here we are.
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Hurrah.
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So, what to say about Ben and Jerry
that hasn't been said before?
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I might as well be honest and confess
that when I first arrived,
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a bit like with Ant and Dec,
368
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I wasn't completely confident
about which one was which.
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Brilliant.
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But it didn't take me long to realize
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that, just like with Ant and Dec,
it doesn't actually matter.
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- Hurrah.
- In the end, that's not the point.
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The point is they both share the ability
to make whatever it is they do
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look genuinely easy,
whilst at the same time
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making everyone around them look better
than they would have done otherwise.
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- Yes.
- And that's a very rare quality to have.
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- Yes, it is.
- And with that in mind,
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we've got you these, just as a token
really of everything we feel
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and have felt about you in the past
and will continue to feel in the future,
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as you seek out different challenges
in new places
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with very different outcomes.
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- Brilliant.
- Yes, no, very good.
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So I'd ask us all to join me
in raising a toast to Ben and Jerry.
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- Ben and Jerry.
- And to moving onwards.
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Moving onwards.
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- Brilliant.
- So that's all good.
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It's another day
at New Broadcasting House,
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but not just any other day.
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- Claudia!
- Oh, hi.
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Today is Winkleman day.
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Claudia, Claudia, what can I say?
Welcome to the Pleasure Dome.
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After wide-ranging discussions
between her agent and the BBC,
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Claudia Winkleman has agreed to come in
and talk about On Your Bike
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as a potential vehicle for her,
and Simon Harwood himself
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is on hand in reception in order
to take her as seriously as possible.
396
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I'm so sorry,
I'm really embarrassed about this,
397
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but I don't actually know your name.
398
00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,360
- Ah, no, God.
- Sorry.
399
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No, of course, why would you?
I wouldn't bother with it myself
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if it wasn't for doctors and so on. Simon.
401
00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,800
- Simon.
- Simon Harwood.
402
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Director of, I don't know, Strategic
Governance or something like that.
403
00:17:48,919 --> 00:17:51,480
- OK, this is Tasmin, my agent.
- Hi.
404
00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480
Yes, of course, welcome, Tasmin.
405
00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,159
I know we haven't met, but I wanna
thank you for making our lives
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that much brighter with,
you know...
407
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Yes, thanks, so shall we go up?
408
00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,120
Yes, of course, yes, no, very good.
So, I better get you guys signed in.
409
00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,639
- So, we're signed in.
- Right, brilliant.
410
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,840
- Yes.
- I've done that.
411
00:18:08,919 --> 00:18:11,159
- We were waiting to be collected.
- Ah, fabulous!
412
00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,879
I'll tell you what, she's not your agent
for nothing, Claudia, is she?
413
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,520
No.
414
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Shall we go through?
Straight through the doors.
415
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- Buckle up, guys, Claudia inbound.
- Right, where is everybody?
416
00:18:18,879 --> 00:18:20,560
- Who?
- She's coming at us.
417
00:18:20,639 --> 00:18:21,639
- Where's Matt?
- Matt?
418
00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,120
- Yes.
- Yes, no, I don't know.
419
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840
Meanwhile upstairs,
preparations for the crucial meeting
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00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:27,840
are taking some kind of shape.
421
00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:31,399
It's to be chaired by Head of Output
Matt Tavener, who isn't here,
422
00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,200
- Oh, my God.
- Right, OK.
423
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,360
- What?
- Have you not heard?
424
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,600
- Heard what?
- He's gone.
425
00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:37,120
- Who has?
- No, shut up, David.
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00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,000
Gone where?
427
00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,879
- Oh, my God.
- I don't know.
428
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,320
With the winds of change
blowing through the BBC,
429
00:18:41,399 --> 00:18:45,840
it looks as if one of the really big trees
might have been blown over completely.
430
00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:49,600
So, guys, Matt Tavener is not going to be
coming to the meeting, I'm afraid.
431
00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:50,720
- Right.
- He's gone.
432
00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,879
- Yes.
- Bummer.
433
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,440
- What do you mean?
- I don't know.
434
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,360
- He's gone to Netflix.
- He's gone to Netflix, yes.
435
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,960
- No way!
- He's gone to Netflix? For a meeting?
436
00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,120
- No, he's gone.
- Right, OK.
437
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,800
- Matt Tavener's gone to Netflix.
- Cool.
438
00:19:00,879 --> 00:19:02,200
We're announcing it
later this morning.
439
00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,879
- It's, like, oh, my God.
- We love Netflix.
440
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,800
- We've been given a statement to put out.
- Do you know about this, Anna?
441
00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:08,280
- No, this? When? No?
- Yes. What?
442
00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,720
- OK, where's Simon?
- I don't know.
443
00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,879
No, right.
444
00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,560
You're mad. You're actually mad.
445
00:19:14,639 --> 00:19:15,840
- It wasn't his fault.
- What?
446
00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,720
- It was mine.
- What is it with him?
447
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,639
Elsewhere in the building,
Jack Patterson and Izzy Gould
448
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,040
have taken some time out
to have an argument.
449
00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,760
It was my fault for not bringing him
up to speed with all the...
450
00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,000
- all the issues beforehand.
- There's no speed
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00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,200
slow enough for that guy
to be brought up to.
452
00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,520
With the BBC facing a demand
that it makes a £1.5 million charitable
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donation to the Worldwide Wildlife Fund
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following its misuse of the film star
Hugh Grant's image,
455
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,600
Izzy has been asked to write
a formal report on the incident
456
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for urgent submission to
BBC Director General Tony Hall's office.
457
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,600
OK, I'm gonna tell them if you won't.
458
00:19:48,679 --> 00:19:50,560
- No.
- I'm not gonna let you do this.
459
00:19:50,639 --> 00:19:53,560
- This has nothing to do with you.
- It has nothing to do with you, either.
460
00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:55,560
It's too important, it's all wrong.
461
00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,840
But meanwhile at the same time,
unbeknown to Izzy, Jack, or anyone else,
462
00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:04,919
Will Humphries is out on the streets
of London
463
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,919
on a secret mission of his own.
464
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,679
Using virtually all of his initiative,
465
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,120
he's come to a small recording studio
in Soho,
466
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,840
in pursuit of the kind of solution
to the Hugh Grant crisis
467
00:20:24,919 --> 00:20:26,840
that only he could have thought of.
468
00:20:26,919 --> 00:20:29,320
Yeah, hi.
469
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,679
Yeah, hi, yes, Will Humphries.
470
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,720
Right.
471
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,679
I'm like personal assistant
to Ian Fletcher.
472
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720
- Ian Fletcher?
- Yes, he's Head of Values at the BBC.
473
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,040
OK.
474
00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760
- Yeah, hi, yeah.
- Hey, yeah, how can I help?
475
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,000
Yeah. Can I speak to David Attenborough?
476
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,600
- David Attenborough?
- Yeah.
477
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,679
- Right.
- Like he's doing like,
478
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,960
I don't know, recording stuff
like Fragile Planet Earth.
479
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,679
- OK.
- Yeah, 'cause I found out.
480
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,000
OK. You want to take a seat?
481
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560
OK, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
482
00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,720
Here we go, here they are.
483
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,520
- The A-team.
- Right.
484
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,520
- So, guys. Look who I found in reception.
- Yes, exactly, hi.
485
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080
Meanwhile, back at New
Broadcasting House, Simon has finally met
486
00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:41,440
and greeted Claudia Winkleman,
all the way up to the sixth floor.
487
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,120
Have fun,
and remember, everything's possible
488
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,440
- in the best of all possible worlds.
- Yes, exactly.
489
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,240
- Genius.
- OK, right. Good-o.
490
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760
- This is gonna be so fun,
- Yeah, Simon...
491
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,159
Yes?
492
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,360
With the introductions overdone,
493
00:21:52,439 --> 00:21:54,960
it's time for the serious business
to begin,
494
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,399
but Ian is becoming aware
that the Claudia Winkleman issue
495
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,080
may not be the only BBC story
unfolding this morning.
496
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:01,960
- What's happening?
- Yes, in terms of...?
497
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,800
- Matt Tavener not here.
- Gor, yes, no.
498
00:22:03,879 --> 00:22:06,919
- Apparently he's gone to Netflix.
- It's one of those mornings, isn't it?
499
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,200
How come everybody else knows
about this apart from me?
500
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,720
Yes, no, very good.
Pop by when you've got a minute
501
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,439
and maybe we can have
a bit of a general catch-up.
502
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,960
- Yes.
- Rightio.
503
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,240
Yes, good.
504
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,159
'Cause in the end...
This is just a thought I had, OK?
505
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,960
But basically imagine Carpool Karaoke,
506
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,760
but serious, with no singing,
and on a bike.
507
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,200
- Right.
- Yes.
508
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,520
- We love serious.
- Yes, exactly.
509
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,679
Genius.
510
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,320
At last, after all the
build-up,
511
00:22:34,399 --> 00:22:36,600
Operation Winkleman is finally underway.
512
00:22:36,679 --> 00:22:39,360
In many ways, it's a shame Izzy Gould
couldn't be with us this morning.
513
00:22:39,439 --> 00:22:41,560
- Yes.
- She's the one who developed this.
514
00:22:41,639 --> 00:22:43,000
Yes, how lovely is that?
515
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,560
In the unavoidable absence
of Head of Output Matt Tavener
516
00:22:45,639 --> 00:22:49,800
to make the pitch for On Your Bike
as the perfect BBC vehicle for Claudia,
517
00:22:49,879 --> 00:22:52,240
and no shortage of others
willing to step into his cleats
518
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,840
and run with the idea,
it's important that someone takes control
519
00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,639
to steer the meeting onto solid ground.
520
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,679
I've always looked on this as almost
a classical BBC idea.
521
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,080
- Yes.
- Sure.
522
00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:03,919
Going right back to informing, educating.
523
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,960
No, sure, that's cool.
524
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,439
That's when we had our Ulrika moment.
525
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,679
- Yes.
- Sorry?
526
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,399
Claudia would totally kill in like
a chat-show kind of vibe.
527
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,679
- OK.
- She's basically Michael Palin in heels.
528
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,000
- Michael Palin.
- Yes.
529
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,040
- Stop it!
- Do you mean Michael Parkinson?
530
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,520
- Yes.
- No, sure, whatever. It's a no-brainer.
531
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,280
Just to save time, Claudia
has actually read the treatment.
532
00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,879
- Have you, Claudia?
- Yes, I have.
533
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080
- Genius.
- Can we tell you what she likes about it
534
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,679
- and we can start from there?
- Yes, I think that's a really...
535
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,760
- Yes, exactly.
- No, sure, I'm good with that.
536
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,639
Meanwhile, across town,
Will's secret operation is still active.
537
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,240
- Hi.
- Oh, hey, yeah.
538
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,439
Hi. I'm Tony Dixon, producer
of Fragile Planet Earth.
539
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,200
I know Fragile Planet Earth.
The bonobos are just like mental.
540
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,000
- Yes.
- Yeah, cool.
541
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240
- Yes, you're wanting to speak to David?
- Yeah, cool, yeah, so David, yeah, cool.
542
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,879
Yeah, can I ask is this something
he actually knows about?
543
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,600
- Sir David? No.
- Right.
544
00:23:52,679 --> 00:23:55,120
No, that's why I need to see him.
It's really important.
545
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,960
- Yeah. I don't wanna disappoint you.
- No, me neither.
546
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,280
- But we're really busy today.
- Yeah, me too.
547
00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,679
Really up against it,
so I don't think I can ask him
548
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040
to come out of a session for something
unscheduled like this.
549
00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,960
- I'm really sorry.
- That's OK.
550
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,879
You could try his agent's email,
maybe go down that route.
551
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,639
No, that's OK, I'll wait.
552
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,879
Yeah, I should say I've no idea what time
the session will actually finish.
553
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600
- OK, cool.
- But one thing I know for certain
554
00:24:20,679 --> 00:24:23,360
is that he's not coming out
for a very long time.
555
00:24:23,439 --> 00:24:25,679
- OK.
- And I can't give you any assurance that
556
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560
he'll speak to you when he does.
557
00:24:27,639 --> 00:24:29,120
OK, cool, thanks.
558
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,120
Right.
559
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,840
OK.
560
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,040
So, Claudia gets the show
561
00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,399
and we all get the fit with Claudia
so I put those two in the positive column.
562
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,600
- Yes, exactly.
- Cool.
563
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:44,800
- Yep.
- Tick.
564
00:24:44,879 --> 00:24:47,399
- I've done celebrity, I've done fluffing.
- Right, yes.
565
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,840
Oh, no, tell me about it.
566
00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:51,879
Back at New Broadcasting House,
it appears things might be going
567
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240
better than anyone expected
on a difficult morning for the BBC.
568
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,480
So you probably know
569
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,320
Claudia's being asked to look
at a lot of stuff at the moment.
570
00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:59,480
- Of course, yes.
- Exactly.
571
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,360
Sure.
572
00:25:00,439 --> 00:25:01,679
But appearances
can be deceptive.
573
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,320
One of the things about this for Claudia
574
00:25:03,399 --> 00:25:06,040
is there's nothing else like it
out there at the moment.
575
00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,000
- Well, yes.
- No way.
576
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,520
- Exactly.
- It's being sold to us
577
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399
- as a stand-alone proposition.
- Sure.
578
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,399
- Yes, exactly, yes.
- So I think this is an opportunity
579
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,240
for you to be up front with us
about that.
580
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,240
Right.
581
00:25:18,679 --> 00:25:21,760
I'm sorry, I think you're gonna have to
help us with that, Tasmin.
582
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,159
Claudia has heard
that the BBC is developing
583
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,280
a very similar idea to On Your Bike
for its daytime schedules
584
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,199
with Amanda Holden as presenter.
585
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,720
- Amanda Holden?
- Yes.
586
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,760
- OK, no, I'm sorry.
- Lovely Amanda.
587
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,840
- The fact is, no, I'm sorry.
- Feel free to correct me, anyone,
588
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:38,520
but I'm pretty sure I can say with some
confidence that that's not true.
589
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,040
- Yes, exactly.
- OK.
590
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,320
Yay.
591
00:25:42,399 --> 00:25:44,520
Just out of interest, Claudia,
where did you hear that?
592
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,800
Uh, from Amanda.
593
00:25:45,879 --> 00:25:46,960
- Right.
- The Amanda.
594
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,760
- Yes.
- OK.
595
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,520
It's starting to look as
if either
596
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080
Claudia's apparent intelligence is fake,
597
00:25:53,159 --> 00:25:57,000
or someone within the BBC has been quietly
developing an almost identical show
598
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,679
to On Your Bike without telling anyone.
599
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840
Amanda Holden's Cycling Shorts
or something.
600
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,000
- Amanda Holden's Cycling Shorts?
- OK, no, I'm sorry.
601
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,800
- Right, yes.
- No way.
602
00:26:05,879 --> 00:26:08,439
- I love Amanda, we get on well, but...
- Do you know what, can I just say,
603
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,560
- that's really interesting, Tasmin.
- Right, OK.
604
00:26:10,639 --> 00:26:11,760
Bummer.
605
00:26:26,199 --> 00:26:27,040
Hey.
606
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,720
- Hi, yeah.
- How can I help?
607
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,600
Yeah, 'cause, I was wondering if you know
608
00:26:30,679 --> 00:26:32,080
how much longer Sir David Attenborough
will be?
609
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:33,840
- Right.
- It's cool, I don't mind waiting.
610
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:36,320
- You might have missed him, I'm afraid.
- Missed him?
611
00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:40,240
- Yeah, 'cause the session's actually over.
- No, but I've been here all the time.
612
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,120
- I know.
- I haven't been to the toilet.
613
00:26:42,199 --> 00:26:44,439
- Yeah, there's like a back entrance.
- Right.
614
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,120
I'm guessing they went out that way.
615
00:26:46,199 --> 00:26:47,840
- OK.
- I'm sorry.
616
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,199
OK, cool.
617
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,439
Back at New Broadcasting House,
it's the end of a day
618
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,679
which has left Head of Values Ian Fletcher
with some things he'd like
619
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,919
to talk to Head of Strategic Governance
Simon Harwood about,
620
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960
- such as what the hell is going on.
- Ah, yes, brilliant.
621
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,040
- Is this a good time?
- Yes, no, brilliant, come in.
622
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,240
Luckily, Simon himself
is still in his office,
623
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,000
busy putting a positive gloss on things.
624
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,919
I don't what it is, but five minutes with
your saddle at the end of the day...
625
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,720
- Yes.
- ...just clears the pipes somehow.
626
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,919
- Yes.
- Jolly good. Shall we sit soft?
627
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,280
- No, thanks.
- Oh, okay.
628
00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,159
I'm happy standing hard.
629
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,840
Jolly good. Wanna take that?
630
00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:57,679
- No.
- No? OK, fine.
631
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,919
Well, no, listen, I mean,
I've no idea
632
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,919
how this "More of Less" stuff works
and how you feel about it...
633
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080
It seems that the BBC is
shortly to announce
634
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,679
a major senior management simplification,
635
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,480
which follows the pattern of encouraging
more staff to apply for fewer jobs
636
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,879
by abolishing
the ones they've already got.
637
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,439
In this case, the existing post
of Head of Output, Director of Better,
638
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240
and Head of Values are to be abolished
and replaced by a single new post
639
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560
of Director of Purpose going forward.
640
00:28:24,639 --> 00:28:27,280
- ...Director of Purpose going forward.
- Director of Purpose?
641
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,919
- Essentially, it's a pretty simple idea.
- Is it?
642
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,919
- I guess it would be with simplification.
- Right, OK.
643
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Do you know, I'm gonna put these down.
I feel a bit of a fool like this.
644
00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:37,040
How long have you known about this,
Simon?
645
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:37,919
No, I know, brilliant.
646
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,399
Frankly, it's a full-time job keeping up
with things these days, isn't it?
647
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,879
- Does Anna know?
- Ah, yes, now, with Anna--
648
00:28:43,959 --> 00:28:47,520
- Obviously Matt knew.
- Listen, I have no idea how Anna works.
649
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120
No. And what happens
if I don't apply for it?
650
00:28:50,199 --> 00:28:52,480
- Ah, no, I can't hear that, Ian.
- What?
651
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,919
I can't hear it, say you will.
55552
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