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No, I still get it, no, shut up. 9 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:44,960 Monday morning at the BBC's London headquarters, 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,080 New Broadcasting House, and already things are happening. 11 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:52,040 What we do here, OK, no, shut up, we go straight to Tamsin at IBS. 12 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,720 OK, Tasmin, yeah, whatever. 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,400 She's the only one who knows what's happening. 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,279 The others are are gap-year hair, whatever. 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,959 So potentially serious are things that head of BBC Brand, 16 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,599 Siobhan Sharpe, from communications giant Fun Media, 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:05,960 is on her way in physically and at speed. 18 00:01:06,039 --> 00:01:09,560 Yeah, OK, so what she does is she gets Claudia to tweet a denial. 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,119 Like, now, OK, like, strictly as my life, whatever. 20 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,119 And we retweet the shit out of it, totally take out social media from the air. 21 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,320 OK, no, shut up, I got her. 22 00:01:18,399 --> 00:01:21,280 I got Tamsin coming at me. Yeah, Tasmin, yeah, whatever. 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,640 OK, yeah, I gotta go. I gotta go. OK. Bye. 24 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,679 Yeah. Hey, Tasmin, how are you? Good, yeah, I'm good, thanks. 25 00:01:29,839 --> 00:01:31,759 So, according to the BBC News App... 26 00:01:31,839 --> 00:01:34,200 - And don't blame me, OK? - I'm not, I'm just saying, 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,440 apparently they're offering her a deal worth 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,240 ... million pounds over two years. 29 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:40,399 - No, I'm sorry. - ... million pounds? 30 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:42,119 - The fact is, that cannot happen. - That's what it says here. 31 00:01:42,199 --> 00:01:43,000 No, I'm sorry. 32 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:44,320 - Right, we're stuffed, then. - Well, hang... 33 00:01:44,399 --> 00:01:47,039 Meanwhile, upstairs, what was supposed to be a renewal meeting 34 00:01:47,119 --> 00:01:49,360 mainly about something called "distinctivity" 35 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,039 has spontaneously turned into an emergency damage limitation meeting 36 00:01:53,119 --> 00:01:54,440 mostly about disaster. 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,720 Apparently, it's a circus-based show they're talking about. 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,559 - Circus-based? - Apparently they're rebooting 39 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,080 the Cirque de Celebrity format. 40 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:02,839 - No, sure. - Right. 41 00:02:02,919 --> 00:02:04,199 - Honestly. - No, I'm sorry. 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,080 I mean, what is it with shows in fucking tents? 43 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Well, yes. 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,160 Rumours have surfaced on Twitter 45 00:02:09,239 --> 00:02:11,120 that one of the BBC's biggest faces 46 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,519 and co-host of Strictly Come Dancing, Claudia Winkleman, 47 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,000 could be on the point of leaving the BBC 48 00:02:17,079 --> 00:02:20,200 after being approached by rival broadcaster ... 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,000 to host a rival show of their own. 50 00:02:22,079 --> 00:02:24,680 - So, I'm on the Mail online here, OK? - Right. 51 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,000 - Blimey. - I know. 52 00:02:26,079 --> 00:02:28,840 Anyway, apparently, a source close to Tess Daly is saying 53 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:32,079 that if Claudia leaves Strictly, then Tess will go too, out of loyalty. 54 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:33,320 - Right. - OK, no. 55 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:34,400 - OK. - I'm sorry. 56 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,400 Loyalty to what, Lucy? 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,440 - That can't happen. - I don't know, it doesn't say. 58 00:02:37,519 --> 00:02:39,239 - Brilliant. - I'm not being negative or anything, 59 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,799 but we are in a very dark place here, guys. 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:43,600 - Brilliant. - No, I'm sorry, no. 61 00:02:43,679 --> 00:02:46,959 With charter renewal pending, this is the worst possible time 62 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,840 to be facing the prospect of a BBC devoid of competitive celebrity dancing 63 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:52,000 of any kind. 64 00:02:52,079 --> 00:02:54,880 OK, the key thing is that everybody remains calm-- 65 00:02:54,959 --> 00:02:58,200 - OK, so, hey, guys. - Right, Siobhan. 66 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,799 - Let's do this, OK? - Yes. 67 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Let's nail this beaver to the tree. 68 00:03:01,679 --> 00:03:04,880 Chronologically, Siobhan may have arrived late to the meeting, 69 00:03:04,959 --> 00:03:08,480 but in other ways she's already ahead of both herself and everybody else. 70 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,399 - OK, so, I spoke with Claudia's agent. - Right. 71 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,160 - Brilliant. - So here's the thing with this. 72 00:03:13,239 --> 00:03:16,880 Here's what it is, OK, Claudia loves Strictly, she loves the BBC, whatever. 73 00:03:16,959 --> 00:03:18,160 - Hurrah. - Yes, exactly. 74 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:22,320 But the thing with Claudia is that she wants like a change of direction 75 00:03:22,399 --> 00:03:24,760 at this point in her blah-de-blah, whatever. 76 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,959 - Right. - A change of-- 77 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,320 - No, it's still me. - Right, yes. 78 00:03:27,399 --> 00:03:31,320 So, Claudia's like, "I want to do like serious shit." 79 00:03:31,399 --> 00:03:33,399 You know, like people dying, whatever. 80 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,799 And ... I'm, like, you know, "That's cool, that's, like, 81 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,920 you can totally do that as well, like, you can do whatever you want, 82 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,160 plus we'll pay you a ... load of money at the same time." 83 00:03:43,239 --> 00:03:45,760 - So, when-- - So she's like, "I need head space here. 84 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,640 Like, I need to be in Cornwall, whatever." 85 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:48,760 - Right. - Brilliant. 86 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,480 So the headline is, "Claudia's in Cornwall at the moment thinking it over." 87 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,440 - Excuse me? - Right, OK. 88 00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:59,440 OK, the headline, OK, is "Claudia Winkleman leaves Strictly," OK? 89 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:00,799 You pretty much crashed the BBC. 90 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,000 - No, I'm sorry. - That's one way of looking at it. 91 00:04:03,079 --> 00:04:05,119 - It totally is. - OK, but-- 92 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:06,839 - You're going to say something brilliant. - Yes. 93 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,720 - No. - You are. I feel it in my bones. 94 00:04:08,799 --> 00:04:12,239 No, but before we get locked into the idea of this being some kind of problem, 95 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,359 is it worth stepping back and looking at the positives 96 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,480 - for a moment? - Really? 97 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:16,560 - The positives? - Yes. 98 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:17,599 - I knew it. - Blimey. 99 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,079 I mean, for one thing, it looks as though this might not actually be about money. 100 00:04:21,159 --> 00:04:24,719 - That's handy, we haven't got any money. - Exactly. That's a good fit straightaway. 101 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,960 As Head of Values and chair of the renewal group, 102 00:04:27,039 --> 00:04:29,840 the ability to think the sort of thoughts under pressure 103 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,039 that no one else would even think of thinking 104 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,840 is one of Ian Fletcher's distinguishing characteristics. 105 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,360 And we know she's at a point where she's looking for a change of direction, 106 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,479 maybe perhaps to be taken a bit more seriously. 107 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,200 - Sure. - But if you think about what we 108 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:44,280 were supposed to be talking about this morning... 109 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:45,360 - Right. - Yes. 110 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,120 - No, sure. - Brilliant. 111 00:04:47,919 --> 00:04:50,280 - Yeah, just remind me. - The distinctivity audit. 112 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:51,280 Oh, yeah, great. 113 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,640 As part of the charter renewal process, the BBC has been invited 114 00:04:54,719 --> 00:04:57,840 to spend time conducting a special "distinctivity audit" 115 00:04:57,919 --> 00:05:01,560 of all the ways its output is different from anything else you've ever seen. 116 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,800 It's a question of identifying anything we might have in development 117 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,360 that's uniquely BBC, 118 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,320 which is why I asked Matt to join us here for this as Head of Output. 119 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,280 - Yeah, no, sure, hey, guys. - Yeah. 120 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,280 But what if what Claudia wants 121 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 and what we're looking for turn out to be exactly the same thing? 122 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,360 - Blimey. - Sure. 123 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,960 OK, no, I get that. That could work. 124 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:23,280 'Cause if we are looking at a solution and not a problem here, 125 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,880 we could be looking at a solution of truly epic proportions. 126 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,200 Ian, please don't take this the wrong way, but this is where we all wanna hug you. 127 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:30,320 - Sure. - Well, uh... 128 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,320 - No. - You the man. 129 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:32,960 - Yes, exactly. - No, really. 130 00:05:33,039 --> 00:05:35,200 - Just to say you're safe with me, OK? - Yes, good. 131 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,520 Meanwhile, elsewhere in the building, development executive Izzy Gould 132 00:05:40,599 --> 00:05:42,599 is busy thinking about ideas. 133 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,520 - Hi. - Oh, hi. How are you? 134 00:05:44,599 --> 00:05:46,440 - So, have you seen this? - No, what? 135 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,919 No, I thought not. 136 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,479 But although she may not know it yet, she's about to realize that 137 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,320 she may well be involved in enough developments already for the moment. 138 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,000 - Jesus, no. - Yeah. 139 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,760 - When did this-- - I don't know, just right now. 140 00:05:57,840 --> 00:05:59,120 - No. - It's already trending. 141 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,400 - Oh, shit. - It's not good news. 142 00:06:01,479 --> 00:06:04,080 After Hugh Grant was asked for a selfie 143 00:06:04,159 --> 00:06:06,039 on a recent visit to New Broadcasting House, 144 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,320 his people have decided to become incensed that he was misled 145 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,280 into endorsing an online campaign for a BBC product 146 00:06:12,359 --> 00:06:14,560 when he thought he was just giving a selfie 147 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,000 to a slightly unusual but apparently harmless intern. 148 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,039 OK, first of all, it's nothing to do with me, OK? 149 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,919 - What? - Like it wasn't my idea. 150 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,159 - No, I know it wasn't. - But also... 151 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,479 - It was mine. It was my idea. - No. 152 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,400 No, I knew you'd say that. That's why I came up here. 153 00:06:25,479 --> 00:06:27,799 In the circumstances, they're demanding not only 154 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,680 that his image be immediately removed from the campaign, 155 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,880 but that the BBC make a charitable donation 156 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:37,560 of £1,475,000 to the Worldwide Wildlife Fund, 157 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,760 a pound for every YouTube hit so far. 158 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:42,680 - OK, OK. - This is really serious, OK? 159 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,080 - I know. - Like it's really serious. 160 00:06:44,159 --> 00:06:46,320 - I know it is. - OK, but it isn't your fault. 161 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:47,400 - What do you mean it wasn't my fault? - Look... 162 00:06:47,479 --> 00:06:48,840 - Of course it's my fault. - OK, you're panicking. 163 00:06:48,919 --> 00:06:49,840 - I'm not panicking. - Look... 164 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:50,719 Of course I'm panicking. 165 00:06:50,799 --> 00:06:55,599 Whose idea was it to ask Hugh Grant for a selfie? 166 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,359 - OK, no. - Was it your idea? 167 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,680 - No, I'm not doing that. - You absolutely have to. 168 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,000 I'm not, I can't. I can't do that. 169 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,080 Basically, what we're talking about the sort of programs 170 00:07:10,159 --> 00:07:11,599 you wouldn't see other broadcasters making. 171 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:12,840 - Yeah. - Exactly. 172 00:07:12,919 --> 00:07:15,039 - Brilliant. - The sort of thing no one's gonna watch. 173 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,599 - The sort of thing only the BBC can do. - That's what I just said, isn't it? 174 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,479 Yes, no, very good. 175 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,479 Back in renewal, it's becoming clear 176 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,840 that coming up with a list of distinctively BBC projects 177 00:07:24,919 --> 00:07:27,960 currently in development might not be as easy as it sounds. 178 00:07:28,039 --> 00:07:30,039 - Sorry, what's this? - Right, OK. 179 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,000 - Simon, do you wanna-- - Oh, yes, no. 180 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Sorry, Lucy, sorry, Ian, brilliant. It's just a card for Ben and Jerry. 181 00:07:35,479 --> 00:07:36,280 Right. 182 00:07:36,359 --> 00:07:37,320 - A leaving card? - Yes. 183 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,200 - Right. - Christ. 184 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:39,919 - I know. - Who knew they weren't here? 185 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,280 - Brilliant. - Who? 186 00:07:41,359 --> 00:07:43,520 Obviously, I have no idea how these things work, but... 187 00:07:43,599 --> 00:07:46,960 In the meantime, it seems that after interviewing both Ben and Jerry 188 00:07:47,039 --> 00:07:51,599 for a new single post, it's been decided that in the spirit of "More of Less," 189 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,359 the new post itself is to be reimagined as not existing going forward. 190 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:57,000 ...as not existing going forward. 191 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,239 - Reimagined as not existing? - Exactly. 192 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,640 - It's terribly bad luck. - If it's any help, Lucy, 193 00:08:01,719 --> 00:08:04,760 I didn't know what to put so I put, "Best of luck, guys." 194 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,960 - I don't know if that helps. - I'm not sure. 195 00:08:06,039 --> 00:08:08,000 - No, probably not. - Right, OK, well. 196 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,719 - Yeah, so, anyway... - Yes, exactly, yes. 197 00:08:09,799 --> 00:08:12,520 "More of Less" issues aside, Ian's challenge now 198 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:15,359 is to marshal his remaining troops towards an outcome 199 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,440 that could just solve the BBC's distinctivity issues 200 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,159 and its Claudia Winkleman problem in one giant solution 201 00:08:22,239 --> 00:08:23,799 to end all solutions. 202 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,159 So, yes, have we actually got anything in development? 203 00:08:26,239 --> 00:08:28,159 - Sure. - Yes, exactly, have we got anything? 204 00:08:28,239 --> 00:08:30,640 No, sure, that's great, so something to think about here, 205 00:08:30,719 --> 00:08:33,600 at this point, I mean... I may be wrong about this... is genre. 206 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,919 - Right. - Brilliant. 207 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,199 - Genre? - I'm just putting it out there. 208 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,079 Yes. 209 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,120 I guess what I'm asking, is it worth thinking what area are we in here: 210 00:08:40,199 --> 00:08:42,640 - drama, factual, scripted? - Yes. 211 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,760 - Also, just in terms of reach, is it-- - OK, I'm so bored of this. 212 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:47,000 - Right. - Bored? 213 00:08:47,079 --> 00:08:49,439 - Like #FaceDownInMySoup. - Well-- 214 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,079 Here's the thing with this, OK? This is not a safety drill, OK? 215 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,600 - The engines are totally on fire here. - Brilliant. 216 00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:55,520 - No, I'm sorry. - Yes. 217 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,880 - The cabin just filled with smoke. - No, not that. 218 00:08:57,959 --> 00:09:01,959 OK, so what you need to do is get into a BBC taxi to Cornwall, like now, 219 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,160 and you need to love-bomb Claudia to death. 220 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:05,920 - Well, that's-- - A BBC taxi to Cornwall? 221 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,680 Sure. Or else you guys are flying a stone turkey one-way to Oblivionsville. 222 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,600 - Right. - Yes, no, brilliant. Very clear. 223 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:14,520 It's March 224 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,520 and light returns to the High Arctic, 225 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,959 sweeping away four months of darkness. 226 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,800 A polar bear stirs. 227 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,120 She has been in her den the whole winter. 228 00:09:27,199 --> 00:09:31,199 Her emergence marks the beginning of spring. 229 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,760 After months of confinement underground, 230 00:09:36,839 --> 00:09:38,880 she toboggans down the slope, 231 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:40,880 perhaps to clean her fur, 232 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:43,400 perhaps for sheer joy. 233 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,560 Whoa. 234 00:09:46,439 --> 00:09:47,520 Will. 235 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,480 Her cubs gaze out at their bright new world... 236 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:52,280 Will. - ...for the very first time. 237 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,880 - Oh, hey, Izzy. Yeah, hey, how are you? - I'm good, thanks. No, I'm good. 238 00:09:55,959 --> 00:09:58,120 Cool. Yeah, so I'm watching this for Ian Fletcher. 239 00:09:58,199 --> 00:09:59,319 - Yes. - Yeah, pretty cool. 240 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,560 - Yes. - David Attenborough's such a cool guy. 241 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,120 Yes, he is, yes. I don't wanna bother you-- 242 00:10:04,199 --> 00:10:05,520 No worries, yeah, cool. 243 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,760 But I just... with the whole Super Selfie thing... 244 00:10:08,839 --> 00:10:10,199 - I know you're mental. - Well, no. 245 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,880 A million hits, I didn't even know who he was. 246 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:17,680 No, but when you spoke to him, when you actually asked him to say "me"... 247 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Yeah. 248 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,920 ...did you tell him what it was for? 249 00:10:24,319 --> 00:10:25,120 I don't know. 250 00:10:25,199 --> 00:10:27,079 - So-- - I definitely told him it was for you. 251 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,040 - For me. - Yeah. 252 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,880 - OK, that's great, Will, thanks. - OK, cool. 253 00:10:35,959 --> 00:10:39,120 Yeah, so, people think polar bears can't smell underwater. 254 00:10:39,199 --> 00:10:40,959 It's like, no, they totally can. 255 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:42,959 - Yes. - Yeah, like there's this bit-- 256 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,360 - Actually, Will, I better get off. - OK. 257 00:10:45,439 --> 00:10:47,400 - But thanks, it's been very helpful. - No worries. 258 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,480 Yeah, no worries, yeah. No worries, yeah, cool. 259 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:28,520 OK, well, what about-- 260 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,280 and stay with me on this, OK, guys-- 261 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,680 what about Claudia Winkleman's History of the Elephant? 262 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,199 Right. - History of the Elephant? 263 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,640 I know what you're thinking, a bit left field. 264 00:11:35,719 --> 00:11:36,520 That is what I was thinking. 265 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,319 Meanwhile, it's tomorrow morning and Head of Output Matt Tavener 266 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,439 has gathered together some of his finest brains 267 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,120 for an important meeting. 268 00:11:43,199 --> 00:11:45,640 But also it's like a dead-serious subject for Claudia, 269 00:11:45,719 --> 00:11:47,719 - Sure. - 'cause they have their own funerals 270 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:48,640 - and everything. - Yeah, I know, sure. 271 00:11:48,719 --> 00:11:51,800 That's great. I get where you're coming from with the "history of" thing. 272 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,240 Uh, but I guess what I'm asking... I guess, part of my job is to... 273 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Their mission is to come up with program ideas that might address 274 00:11:59,439 --> 00:12:02,199 Claudia Winkleman's need to be taken more seriously, 275 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,920 whilst also addressing the BBC's distinctivity and charter renewal issues 276 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,040 in one fell swoop. 277 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Or, is there something out there that might give us distinctive 278 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:13,480 and serious and, I don't know, quirky and hinterland in one hit? 279 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,280 - Yes. - Where the idea of BBCness is a cold open 280 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:17,800 and a leave-behind at the same time. 281 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,760 - Right. - Yes. 282 00:12:18,839 --> 00:12:21,520 Yes. Do you know what, that's really interesting, Matt. 283 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,560 What about, is there something, okay: Claudia Winkleman's History of Water. 284 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:25,680 - OK. - Water? 285 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:27,240 It's like it's more BBC somehow. 286 00:12:27,319 --> 00:12:29,480 - Sure. - Do you think it's a bit dry for Claudia? 287 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:30,560 - Dry? - Sure. 288 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:32,439 - She's so gorgeous. - The history of water? 289 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,240 - I see what you're saying, Jack. - OK, so-- 290 00:12:34,319 --> 00:12:35,120 Claudia Winkleman's History of Fruit. 291 00:12:35,199 --> 00:12:36,000 - Yeah. - No. Okay. 292 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:37,319 Maybe we should go past the "history of" thing. 293 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,800 - Yeah. - Yes. 294 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,079 OK, well, if it's BBCness we're talking about, 295 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,079 then what about On Your Bike, then? 296 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,120 - Ooh, now. - OK. 297 00:12:46,199 --> 00:12:47,360 - On Your Bike? - Yes. 298 00:12:47,439 --> 00:12:49,160 - You're joking. - In its original format. 299 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,240 Sure. 300 00:12:50,319 --> 00:12:53,839 As a serious, like a proper chat show for Claudia but just on wheels. 301 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,040 - No, sure. - 'Cause the thing about that was, 302 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,880 like I kept trying to say, was... 303 00:12:57,959 --> 00:12:59,959 - it is so BBC. - Uh-huh. 304 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,920 - Genius. - I don't believe this. 305 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,480 - Really, interesting. - Oh, my God, Izzy. 306 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:03,599 Sure, Izzy, that's great. 307 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:22,400 It's the end of the day, 308 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,160 and a number of people are already gathering in the shared experience space 309 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,040 for a special ceremony to celebrate the end 310 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,079 of Ben and Jerry's time at the BBC. 311 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,120 I'm not being funny or anything, but I can't be doing with goodbyes. 312 00:13:33,199 --> 00:13:34,520 - No. - No. 313 00:13:34,599 --> 00:13:36,760 Maybe it's my childhood, but they always end up 314 00:13:36,839 --> 00:13:39,360 - getting to me in the end. - Yes, no, very good, Tracey. 315 00:13:39,439 --> 00:13:41,319 They've been with the BBC from their arrival 316 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:43,800 as junior research executives all the way through 317 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,079 to their departure as people whose jobs no longer exist. 318 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,920 So it's appropriate that a block of an entire hour has been booked out 319 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,160 on the Syncopatispace booking system in order to speed them on their way. 320 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,839 - Is someone going to say something? - Yes, no, sorry, Ian, about what? 321 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,800 - Well, about Ben and Jerry. - Yes, of course, no, that's brilliant. 322 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,319 - Well, no-- - You know how you want to deal with this. 323 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:03,959 - Yes, exactly. - But the good news is, 324 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,199 we've got them these as a surprise. 325 00:14:06,439 --> 00:14:07,360 Right, what are they? 326 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:10,040 It's interesting, isn't it? 327 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,120 We don't even know what we've got them? 328 00:14:12,199 --> 00:14:14,719 I've no idea how these things work, but that's part of the surprise? 329 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,839 - Yes, probably. - Genius. 330 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,240 Ben and Jerry's unexpected departure may herald 331 00:14:19,319 --> 00:14:22,880 the dawn of a new "More of Less" era for the BBC, 332 00:14:22,959 --> 00:14:24,920 even though no one really knows what that means. 333 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,000 But if there's a new feeling of uncertainty in the air, 334 00:14:29,079 --> 00:14:32,680 it seems Lucy has decided that she might as well apply for the new post 335 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,120 of Head of Empowerment, even though no one really knows 336 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:36,280 what that means, either. 337 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:37,959 - I don't get it, obviously. - It's really good. 338 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Is it? I don't know. I probably shouldn't be asking you, but is Anna on the panel? 339 00:14:42,439 --> 00:14:44,120 - Anna? - It's fine if you don't want to... 340 00:14:44,199 --> 00:14:46,319 No, it's fine. I don't think she is, no. 341 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,040 - Right. - Nobody tells me anything, obviously, 342 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,760 - but as far as I'm aware, she's not, no. - Right. 343 00:14:50,839 --> 00:14:52,240 - You're not on it? - Me? 344 00:14:52,319 --> 00:14:53,640 - 'Cause I mean-- - No. Thank God. 345 00:14:53,719 --> 00:14:56,439 If I was, I'd have to declare an interest, wouldn't I? 346 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,280 - Right. - I mean, I just-- 347 00:14:58,360 --> 00:14:59,479 - Yes, no, yes. - Yes. 348 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,800 OK. OK, thank you. 349 00:15:03,599 --> 00:15:05,640 Uh, thank you. 350 00:15:05,719 --> 00:15:07,160 Brilliant. Yes, no, very good. 351 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,319 Uh, who was it who said that life is a series of letting go? 352 00:15:11,599 --> 00:15:12,400 Anyway. 353 00:15:12,479 --> 00:15:13,800 Do you know what, Simon? I want to say Elton John. 354 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,520 - Brilliant. - Elton John? 355 00:15:15,599 --> 00:15:17,400 Anyway, what do I know, but a moment to say 356 00:15:17,479 --> 00:15:21,240 a few words about why we're all here, and not just any old words, either. 357 00:15:21,319 --> 00:15:23,560 Ladies and gentlemen, current Head of Values 358 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,319 and all-round Captain Renewal himself, Ian Fletcher. 359 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:28,360 Whoo! 360 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,120 Right, yes, I mean, thanks, Simon. 361 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:34,079 Hurrah. 362 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,199 So, yes. 363 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,160 As Simon very much says, here we are. 364 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:39,360 Hurrah. 365 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:43,160 So, what to say about Ben and Jerry that hasn't been said before? 366 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,199 I might as well be honest and confess that when I first arrived, 367 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,400 a bit like with Ant and Dec, 368 00:15:48,479 --> 00:15:51,479 I wasn't completely confident about which one was which. 369 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:52,719 Brilliant. 370 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 But it didn't take me long to realize 371 00:15:54,719 --> 00:15:57,640 that, just like with Ant and Dec, it doesn't actually matter. 372 00:15:57,719 --> 00:16:00,000 - Hurrah. - In the end, that's not the point. 373 00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:04,199 The point is they both share the ability to make whatever it is they do 374 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,640 look genuinely easy, whilst at the same time 375 00:16:06,719 --> 00:16:10,120 making everyone around them look better than they would have done otherwise. 376 00:16:10,199 --> 00:16:12,839 - Yes. - And that's a very rare quality to have. 377 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,839 - Yes, it is. - And with that in mind, 378 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,319 we've got you these, just as a token really of everything we feel 379 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,719 and have felt about you in the past and will continue to feel in the future, 380 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,920 as you seek out different challenges in new places 381 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,439 with very different outcomes. 382 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,079 - Brilliant. - Yes, no, very good. 383 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:33,640 So I'd ask us all to join me in raising a toast to Ben and Jerry. 384 00:16:33,719 --> 00:16:36,479 - Ben and Jerry. - And to moving onwards. 385 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,199 Moving onwards. 386 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,719 - Brilliant. - So that's all good. 387 00:17:09,639 --> 00:17:12,119 It's another day at New Broadcasting House, 388 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,319 but not just any other day. 389 00:17:14,399 --> 00:17:15,960 - Claudia! - Oh, hi. 390 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,440 Today is Winkleman day. 391 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,119 Claudia, Claudia, what can I say? Welcome to the Pleasure Dome. 392 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,960 After wide-ranging discussions between her agent and the BBC, 393 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,280 Claudia Winkleman has agreed to come in and talk about On Your Bike 394 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,440 as a potential vehicle for her, and Simon Harwood himself 395 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,840 is on hand in reception in order to take her as seriously as possible. 396 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:35,600 I'm so sorry, I'm really embarrassed about this, 397 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,440 but I don't actually know your name. 398 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,360 - Ah, no, God. - Sorry. 399 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,080 No, of course, why would you? I wouldn't bother with it myself 400 00:17:42,159 --> 00:17:44,200 if it wasn't for doctors and so on. Simon. 401 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,800 - Simon. - Simon Harwood. 402 00:17:45,879 --> 00:17:48,840 Director of, I don't know, Strategic Governance or something like that. 403 00:17:48,919 --> 00:17:51,480 - OK, this is Tasmin, my agent. - Hi. 404 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:53,480 Yes, of course, welcome, Tasmin. 405 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,159 I know we haven't met, but I wanna thank you for making our lives 406 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,560 that much brighter with, you know... 407 00:17:59,639 --> 00:18:01,639 Yes, thanks, so shall we go up? 408 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,120 Yes, of course, yes, no, very good. So, I better get you guys signed in. 409 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,639 - So, we're signed in. - Right, brilliant. 410 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,840 - Yes. - I've done that. 411 00:18:08,919 --> 00:18:11,159 - We were waiting to be collected. - Ah, fabulous! 412 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,879 I'll tell you what, she's not your agent for nothing, Claudia, is she? 413 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,520 No. 414 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:15,919 Shall we go through? Straight through the doors. 415 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,800 - Buckle up, guys, Claudia inbound. - Right, where is everybody? 416 00:18:18,879 --> 00:18:20,560 - Who? - She's coming at us. 417 00:18:20,639 --> 00:18:21,639 - Where's Matt? - Matt? 418 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,120 - Yes. - Yes, no, I don't know. 419 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840 Meanwhile upstairs, preparations for the crucial meeting 420 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:27,840 are taking some kind of shape. 421 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:31,399 It's to be chaired by Head of Output Matt Tavener, who isn't here, 422 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,200 - Oh, my God. - Right, OK. 423 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,360 - What? - Have you not heard? 424 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:35,600 - Heard what? - He's gone. 425 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:37,120 - Who has? - No, shut up, David. 426 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:38,000 Gone where? 427 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,879 - Oh, my God. - I don't know. 428 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,320 With the winds of change blowing through the BBC, 429 00:18:41,399 --> 00:18:45,840 it looks as if one of the really big trees might have been blown over completely. 430 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:49,600 So, guys, Matt Tavener is not going to be coming to the meeting, I'm afraid. 431 00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:50,720 - Right. - He's gone. 432 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:51,879 - Yes. - Bummer. 433 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,440 - What do you mean? - I don't know. 434 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,360 - He's gone to Netflix. - He's gone to Netflix, yes. 435 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,960 - No way! - He's gone to Netflix? For a meeting? 436 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,120 - No, he's gone. - Right, OK. 437 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,800 - Matt Tavener's gone to Netflix. - Cool. 438 00:19:00,879 --> 00:19:02,200 We're announcing it later this morning. 439 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,879 - It's, like, oh, my God. - We love Netflix. 440 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,800 - We've been given a statement to put out. - Do you know about this, Anna? 441 00:19:06,879 --> 00:19:08,280 - No, this? When? No? - Yes. What? 442 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:09,720 - OK, where's Simon? - I don't know. 443 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:10,879 No, right. 444 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,560 You're mad. You're actually mad. 445 00:19:14,639 --> 00:19:15,840 - It wasn't his fault. - What? 446 00:19:15,919 --> 00:19:18,720 - It was mine. - What is it with him? 447 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Elsewhere in the building, Jack Patterson and Izzy Gould 448 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,040 have taken some time out to have an argument. 449 00:19:24,120 --> 00:19:26,760 It was my fault for not bringing him up to speed with all the... 450 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,000 - all the issues beforehand. - There's no speed 451 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,200 slow enough for that guy to be brought up to. 452 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,520 With the BBC facing a demand that it makes a £1.5 million charitable 453 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,480 donation to the Worldwide Wildlife Fund 454 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,159 following its misuse of the film star Hugh Grant's image, 455 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,600 Izzy has been asked to write a formal report on the incident 456 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:46,919 for urgent submission to BBC Director General Tony Hall's office. 457 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,600 OK, I'm gonna tell them if you won't. 458 00:19:48,679 --> 00:19:50,560 - No. - I'm not gonna let you do this. 459 00:19:50,639 --> 00:19:53,560 - This has nothing to do with you. - It has nothing to do with you, either. 460 00:19:54,159 --> 00:19:55,560 It's too important, it's all wrong. 461 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,840 But meanwhile at the same time, unbeknown to Izzy, Jack, or anyone else, 462 00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:04,919 Will Humphries is out on the streets of London 463 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,919 on a secret mission of his own. 464 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,679 Using virtually all of his initiative, 465 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,120 he's come to a small recording studio in Soho, 466 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,840 in pursuit of the kind of solution to the Hugh Grant crisis 467 00:20:24,919 --> 00:20:26,840 that only he could have thought of. 468 00:20:26,919 --> 00:20:29,320 Yeah, hi. 469 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,679 Yeah, hi, yes, Will Humphries. 470 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,720 Right. 471 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,679 I'm like personal assistant to Ian Fletcher. 472 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,720 - Ian Fletcher? - Yes, he's Head of Values at the BBC. 473 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,040 OK. 474 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760 - Yeah, hi, yeah. - Hey, yeah, how can I help? 475 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,000 Yeah. Can I speak to David Attenborough? 476 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,600 - David Attenborough? - Yeah. 477 00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:55,679 - Right. - Like he's doing like, 478 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,960 I don't know, recording stuff like Fragile Planet Earth. 479 00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,679 - OK. - Yeah, 'cause I found out. 480 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,000 OK. You want to take a seat? 481 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,560 OK, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 482 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:29,720 Here we go, here they are. 483 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,520 - The A-team. - Right. 484 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,520 - So, guys. Look who I found in reception. - Yes, exactly, hi. 485 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,080 Meanwhile, back at New Broadcasting House, Simon has finally met 486 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:41,440 and greeted Claudia Winkleman, all the way up to the sixth floor. 487 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,120 Have fun, and remember, everything's possible 488 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,440 - in the best of all possible worlds. - Yes, exactly. 489 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,240 - Genius. - OK, right. Good-o. 490 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,760 - This is gonna be so fun, - Yeah, Simon... 491 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,159 Yes? 492 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,360 With the introductions overdone, 493 00:21:52,439 --> 00:21:54,960 it's time for the serious business to begin, 494 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,399 but Ian is becoming aware that the Claudia Winkleman issue 495 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,080 may not be the only BBC story unfolding this morning. 496 00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:01,960 - What's happening? - Yes, in terms of...? 497 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,800 - Matt Tavener not here. - Gor, yes, no. 498 00:22:03,879 --> 00:22:06,919 - Apparently he's gone to Netflix. - It's one of those mornings, isn't it? 499 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,200 How come everybody else knows about this apart from me? 500 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,720 Yes, no, very good. Pop by when you've got a minute 501 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,439 and maybe we can have a bit of a general catch-up. 502 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:15,960 - Yes. - Rightio. 503 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Yes, good. 504 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,159 'Cause in the end... This is just a thought I had, OK? 505 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,960 But basically imagine Carpool Karaoke, 506 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,760 but serious, with no singing, and on a bike. 507 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,200 - Right. - Yes. 508 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,520 - We love serious. - Yes, exactly. 509 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:32,679 Genius. 510 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,320 At last, after all the build-up, 511 00:22:34,399 --> 00:22:36,600 Operation Winkleman is finally underway. 512 00:22:36,679 --> 00:22:39,360 In many ways, it's a shame Izzy Gould couldn't be with us this morning. 513 00:22:39,439 --> 00:22:41,560 - Yes. - She's the one who developed this. 514 00:22:41,639 --> 00:22:43,000 Yes, how lovely is that? 515 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,560 In the unavoidable absence of Head of Output Matt Tavener 516 00:22:45,639 --> 00:22:49,800 to make the pitch for On Your Bike as the perfect BBC vehicle for Claudia, 517 00:22:49,879 --> 00:22:52,240 and no shortage of others willing to step into his cleats 518 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,840 and run with the idea, it's important that someone takes control 519 00:22:55,919 --> 00:22:57,639 to steer the meeting onto solid ground. 520 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,679 I've always looked on this as almost a classical BBC idea. 521 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,080 - Yes. - Sure. 522 00:23:02,159 --> 00:23:03,919 Going right back to informing, educating. 523 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:04,960 No, sure, that's cool. 524 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,439 That's when we had our Ulrika moment. 525 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,679 - Yes. - Sorry? 526 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,399 Claudia would totally kill in like a chat-show kind of vibe. 527 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,679 - OK. - She's basically Michael Palin in heels. 528 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,000 - Michael Palin. - Yes. 529 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,040 - Stop it! - Do you mean Michael Parkinson? 530 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,520 - Yes. - No, sure, whatever. It's a no-brainer. 531 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,280 Just to save time, Claudia has actually read the treatment. 532 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:23,879 - Have you, Claudia? - Yes, I have. 533 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080 - Genius. - Can we tell you what she likes about it 534 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,679 - and we can start from there? - Yes, I think that's a really... 535 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,760 - Yes, exactly. - No, sure, I'm good with that. 536 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,639 Meanwhile, across town, Will's secret operation is still active. 537 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:37,240 - Hi. - Oh, hey, yeah. 538 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,439 Hi. I'm Tony Dixon, producer of Fragile Planet Earth. 539 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,200 I know Fragile Planet Earth. The bonobos are just like mental. 540 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,000 - Yes. - Yeah, cool. 541 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,240 - Yes, you're wanting to speak to David? - Yeah, cool, yeah, so David, yeah, cool. 542 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,879 Yeah, can I ask is this something he actually knows about? 543 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,600 - Sir David? No. - Right. 544 00:23:52,679 --> 00:23:55,120 No, that's why I need to see him. It's really important. 545 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,960 - Yeah. I don't wanna disappoint you. - No, me neither. 546 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,280 - But we're really busy today. - Yeah, me too. 547 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:03,679 Really up against it, so I don't think I can ask him 548 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,040 to come out of a session for something unscheduled like this. 549 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,960 - I'm really sorry. - That's OK. 550 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,879 You could try his agent's email, maybe go down that route. 551 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,639 No, that's OK, I'll wait. 552 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,879 Yeah, I should say I've no idea what time the session will actually finish. 553 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,600 - OK, cool. - But one thing I know for certain 554 00:24:20,679 --> 00:24:23,360 is that he's not coming out for a very long time. 555 00:24:23,439 --> 00:24:25,679 - OK. - And I can't give you any assurance that 556 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,560 he'll speak to you when he does. 557 00:24:27,639 --> 00:24:29,120 OK, cool, thanks. 558 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,120 Right. 559 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,840 OK. 560 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,040 So, Claudia gets the show 561 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,399 and we all get the fit with Claudia so I put those two in the positive column. 562 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,600 - Yes, exactly. - Cool. 563 00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:44,800 - Yep. - Tick. 564 00:24:44,879 --> 00:24:47,399 - I've done celebrity, I've done fluffing. - Right, yes. 565 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,840 Oh, no, tell me about it. 566 00:24:48,919 --> 00:24:51,879 Back at New Broadcasting House, it appears things might be going 567 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240 better than anyone expected on a difficult morning for the BBC. 568 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,480 So you probably know 569 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:58,320 Claudia's being asked to look at a lot of stuff at the moment. 570 00:24:58,399 --> 00:24:59,480 - Of course, yes. - Exactly. 571 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,360 Sure. 572 00:25:00,439 --> 00:25:01,679 But appearances can be deceptive. 573 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,320 One of the things about this for Claudia 574 00:25:03,399 --> 00:25:06,040 is there's nothing else like it out there at the moment. 575 00:25:06,120 --> 00:25:07,000 - Well, yes. - No way. 576 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,520 - Exactly. - It's being sold to us 577 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,399 - as a stand-alone proposition. - Sure. 578 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,399 - Yes, exactly, yes. - So I think this is an opportunity 579 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,240 for you to be up front with us about that. 580 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,240 Right. 581 00:25:18,679 --> 00:25:21,760 I'm sorry, I think you're gonna have to help us with that, Tasmin. 582 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,159 Claudia has heard that the BBC is developing 583 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,280 a very similar idea to On Your Bike for its daytime schedules 584 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,199 with Amanda Holden as presenter. 585 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,720 - Amanda Holden? - Yes. 586 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,760 - OK, no, I'm sorry. - Lovely Amanda. 587 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,840 - The fact is, no, I'm sorry. - Feel free to correct me, anyone, 588 00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:38,520 but I'm pretty sure I can say with some confidence that that's not true. 589 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,040 - Yes, exactly. - OK. 590 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:42,320 Yay. 591 00:25:42,399 --> 00:25:44,520 Just out of interest, Claudia, where did you hear that? 592 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:45,800 Uh, from Amanda. 593 00:25:45,879 --> 00:25:46,960 - Right. - The Amanda. 594 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,760 - Yes. - OK. 595 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,520 It's starting to look as if either 596 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,080 Claudia's apparent intelligence is fake, 597 00:25:53,159 --> 00:25:57,000 or someone within the BBC has been quietly developing an almost identical show 598 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,679 to On Your Bike without telling anyone. 599 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840 Amanda Holden's Cycling Shorts or something. 600 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:04,000 - Amanda Holden's Cycling Shorts? - OK, no, I'm sorry. 601 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,800 - Right, yes. - No way. 602 00:26:05,879 --> 00:26:08,439 - I love Amanda, we get on well, but... - Do you know what, can I just say, 603 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,560 - that's really interesting, Tasmin. - Right, OK. 604 00:26:10,639 --> 00:26:11,760 Bummer. 605 00:26:26,199 --> 00:26:27,040 Hey. 606 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,720 - Hi, yeah. - How can I help? 607 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,600 Yeah, 'cause, I was wondering if you know 608 00:26:30,679 --> 00:26:32,080 how much longer Sir David Attenborough will be? 609 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:33,840 - Right. - It's cool, I don't mind waiting. 610 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:36,320 - You might have missed him, I'm afraid. - Missed him? 611 00:26:36,399 --> 00:26:40,240 - Yeah, 'cause the session's actually over. - No, but I've been here all the time. 612 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,120 - I know. - I haven't been to the toilet. 613 00:26:42,199 --> 00:26:44,439 - Yeah, there's like a back entrance. - Right. 614 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,120 I'm guessing they went out that way. 615 00:26:46,199 --> 00:26:47,840 - OK. - I'm sorry. 616 00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,199 OK, cool. 617 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,439 Back at New Broadcasting House, it's the end of a day 618 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,679 which has left Head of Values Ian Fletcher with some things he'd like 619 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,919 to talk to Head of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood about, 620 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,960 - such as what the hell is going on. - Ah, yes, brilliant. 621 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,040 - Is this a good time? - Yes, no, brilliant, come in. 622 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,240 Luckily, Simon himself is still in his office, 623 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,000 busy putting a positive gloss on things. 624 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,919 I don't what it is, but five minutes with your saddle at the end of the day... 625 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,720 - Yes. - ...just clears the pipes somehow. 626 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,919 - Yes. - Jolly good. Shall we sit soft? 627 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,280 - No, thanks. - Oh, okay. 628 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:54,159 I'm happy standing hard. 629 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,840 Jolly good. Wanna take that? 630 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:57,679 - No. - No? OK, fine. 631 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,919 Well, no, listen, I mean, I've no idea 632 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,919 how this "More of Less" stuff works and how you feel about it... 633 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,080 It seems that the BBC is shortly to announce 634 00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,679 a major senior management simplification, 635 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,480 which follows the pattern of encouraging more staff to apply for fewer jobs 636 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,879 by abolishing the ones they've already got. 637 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,439 In this case, the existing post of Head of Output, Director of Better, 638 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,240 and Head of Values are to be abolished and replaced by a single new post 639 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560 of Director of Purpose going forward. 640 00:28:24,639 --> 00:28:27,280 - ...Director of Purpose going forward. - Director of Purpose? 641 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,919 - Essentially, it's a pretty simple idea. - Is it? 642 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,919 - I guess it would be with simplification. - Right, OK. 643 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,560 Do you know, I'm gonna put these down. I feel a bit of a fool like this. 644 00:28:35,639 --> 00:28:37,040 How long have you known about this, Simon? 645 00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:37,919 No, I know, brilliant. 646 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,399 Frankly, it's a full-time job keeping up with things these days, isn't it? 647 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,879 - Does Anna know? - Ah, yes, now, with Anna-- 648 00:28:43,959 --> 00:28:47,520 - Obviously Matt knew. - Listen, I have no idea how Anna works. 649 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120 No. And what happens if I don't apply for it? 650 00:28:50,199 --> 00:28:52,480 - Ah, no, I can't hear that, Ian. - What? 651 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,919 I can't hear it, say you will. 55552

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