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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,200 {\an8}Maybe there's been a lot happening in the world recently, 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,680 {\an8}but hands up who knew we had a big swing band? 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,719 {\an8}Anna? Sorry, Anna? 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,760 {\an8}Anna. 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,160 {\an8}- She's asking flat-out if we're axing it. - Right, yes. 6 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:20,439 {\an8}- This thing with the big swing band. - Yes, exactly. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:22,680 {\an8}We are starting to take incoming on it already. 8 00:00:22,759 --> 00:00:24,799 {\an8}- Right, incoming. - Are we axing it? 9 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,160 {\an8}- Not unless-- - 'Cause also-- 10 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:27,320 {\an8}God, there's an "also"? 11 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 {\an8}This is about identifying what we do most of best 12 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,479 {\an8}and finding fewer ways of doing more of it less. 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,640 {\an8}- That's what you want me to say? - Yes, exactly. 14 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,760 {\an8}I'm not going to be responsible for axing four major BBC orchestras. 15 00:00:36,839 --> 00:00:38,720 {\an8}I don't see that as my role as Head of Values. 16 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,000 {\an8}Yes, no, fabulous, Ian, very clear. 17 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,680 {\an8}All these rumours around closure, it's got to be really upsetting 18 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,320 {\an8}for you and for everyone, really. 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,120 {\an8}Hey, that's life, I guess. That's show business. 20 00:00:47,199 --> 00:00:49,640 {\an8}If you've got any bright ideas, apart from asking the driver 21 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,199 {\an8}to drive us to St Pancras and disappearing to the continent for a while. 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,080 {\an8}You do know that the minister himself is a keen trombonist? 23 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,160 {\an8}A trombonist? 24 00:00:57,239 --> 00:00:59,480 {\an8}- Are you OK, Anna? - Were you not aware of that? 25 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:01,120 {\an8}Anna, are you all right? 26 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:03,640 {\an8}- Forgive me, Fiona, is this a joke? - If it's a joke, 27 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:05,679 {\an8}- it's not a very funny one, is it? - No. 28 00:01:05,759 --> 00:01:09,039 {\an8}She's just, you know... I think maybe we'd better stop. 29 00:01:17,399 --> 00:01:18,560 Standby 2. 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,479 Mix through, cue on 2. 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,560 The BBC's announced the appointment 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,600 of the ex-Head of Olympic Delivery, Ian Fletcher, 33 00:01:24,679 --> 00:01:26,679 as its new Head of Values. 34 00:01:32,479 --> 00:01:34,240 Time now for the shipping forecast. 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,320 Superimpose. 36 00:01:45,199 --> 00:01:47,199 You're kidding. You are kidding me. 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,920 It's 11:15 at New Broadcasting House, 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,679 and, already, a special damage limitation meeting is in full swing. 39 00:01:53,759 --> 00:01:56,119 No, it was a temporary software issue and we deeply regret 40 00:01:56,199 --> 00:01:58,479 any offense that may have been caused to Jools himself 41 00:01:58,559 --> 00:01:59,919 or to the Jewish community. 42 00:02:00,039 --> 00:02:02,720 Following an item on this morning's BBC Breakfast about plans 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,960 to close the BBC Big Swing Band, 44 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:08,680 a spontaneous Twitter campaign to boycott the BBC, 45 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:11,640 led by Jools Holland, is attracting growing support. 46 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,040 But in the last few minutes, there's been a new development. 47 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,560 Of all the random words in the dictionary, we find the one 48 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:18,680 with 2,000 years of pain attached to it. 49 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,440 Due to the intelligence of the BBC's Syncopaticaption Live subtitling software, 50 00:02:23,519 --> 00:02:27,959 the much-loved BBC star has been subtitled briefly on the BBC news channel 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,239 as "Jews Holland." 52 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,359 A slow car crash where you've designed the car 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,079 and failed to notice the fucking ditch you've now driven it into. 54 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,160 So in my view, guys, we are looking at emergency measures here. 55 00:02:37,239 --> 00:02:38,040 - Brilliant. - Brilliant. 56 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,680 - Brilliant. - Not being dramatic or anything, 57 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,840 but it is actually biblical in the press office right now. 58 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:45,920 Listen, I mean, you guys know how to handle this, this really isn't my area... 59 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:47,440 - Yeah, bollocks. - But for what it's worth, 60 00:02:47,519 --> 00:02:49,640 My guess is that Tony will be a lot less blotchy around the eyes 61 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,000 once we've got some policy statement out there for the lunchtime news. 62 00:02:53,079 --> 00:02:54,679 - The lunchtime news? - Right, OK. 63 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,079 - Let me explain how this works, OK? - Brilliant. 64 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,079 - Yes, 'cause-- - Sorry, Tracey, if I can-- 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,519 - Sorry, Neil, I'm just agreeing with you. - Yeah, thanks. 66 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,440 There's no such thing as the lunchtime news anymore. 67 00:03:03,519 --> 00:03:05,519 - It's not "Listen with Bloody Mother." - Brilliant. 68 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,320 What it is now, it's basically one long avalanche of shit happening in real-time. 69 00:03:09,399 --> 00:03:12,399 - Exactly, yes. Yes. - With 24-hour live shoveling. 70 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:13,519 Yes, no, very good. 71 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,320 No, I totally hear you. No, it's still me. Shut up. 72 00:03:16,399 --> 00:03:17,440 Oh, bloody great. 73 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,640 No, forget Jools, go through Felicia in his office. 74 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,239 Don't talk to Daniel, he's a show pony, all moisturizer and gel. 75 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,200 Talk to Felicia. She's Spanish, whatever. 76 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,880 Swedish, yeah. We can totally impact her. 77 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,000 Perhaps inevitably in the circumstances, 78 00:03:28,079 --> 00:03:31,840 BBC brand consultant Siobhan Sharpe has arrived from Fun Media 79 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:34,160 to bring her expertise literally to the table. 80 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:36,040 - So we talked to Jools's people. - Brilliant. 81 00:03:36,119 --> 00:03:39,880 And I've got three words for you: "not enough flowers in the world." 82 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:41,040 - What? - All right. 83 00:03:41,119 --> 00:03:42,200 - Brilliant. - Here we go. 84 00:03:44,399 --> 00:03:48,160 So in through the nose and out through the mouth on the count of four. 85 00:03:48,239 --> 00:03:49,359 - Yes, exactly. - That's great. 86 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,119 - The fact is, I'm fine now. - Right, good. Feeling OK. 87 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,560 Meanwhile, across town, Director of Better, Anna Rampton, 88 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,560 is having a lie-down in an ambulance. 89 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,720 - The fact is, we need to go now. - OK. 90 00:03:59,799 --> 00:04:01,560 - Well. - Your pulse is certainly OK. 91 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,239 - Blood pressure's fine. - Yes, exactly. 92 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,040 - It's up to you, really. - Yes, exactly, yes. 93 00:04:05,119 --> 00:04:07,160 - We can take you to the hospital. - No. 94 00:04:07,239 --> 00:04:09,160 - That service we provide. - No, I don't want that. 95 00:04:09,239 --> 00:04:10,119 - Are you sure, Anna? - Yes. 96 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,119 - 'Cause, I mean... - Yes, no, the fact is, I'll be fine now. 97 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,600 This happened to you before, Anna? 98 00:04:13,679 --> 00:04:15,880 - The fact is, can you take us to the BBC? - No. 99 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:17,360 - The BBC? - Yes. 100 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,920 I'm not sure we're allowed to, Anna. 101 00:04:19,039 --> 00:04:21,200 - Yes, you are. It's in Regent Street. - No, it's fine. 102 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,280 If you're absolutely sure, Anna. We can jump in another cab. 103 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,320 They're all over the place. 104 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,560 I'm happy for you to do that if you're happy. 105 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,840 - Yes. Yes. - But take it easy for a while, OK? 106 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,920 - Give yourself an easy day. - Yes, exactly. 107 00:04:32,039 --> 00:04:35,640 - I might try that as well. - Ian will look after you, won't you, Ian? 108 00:04:35,719 --> 00:04:36,800 - Yes. - Yes. 109 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,919 I mean, I, yes. Of course. 110 00:04:39,039 --> 00:04:42,400 You're fine, and I'm happy with that, but these things happen for reasons. 111 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:44,479 - You might have a think about that, OK? - Hmm. 112 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,200 - Yes, well, I mean, thank you. - Pleasure. 113 00:04:46,280 --> 00:04:47,479 - You've been really-- - Yes. 114 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:48,560 Anytime. 115 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,360 It's up to you, but you can probably let go of his hand now, if you want. 116 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,080 - Yes, I think-- - Yes, exactly. 117 00:04:54,159 --> 00:04:55,080 OK, good. 118 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,800 Back at New Broadcasting House, Will Humphries 119 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,360 is still very much on station in reception, 120 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,479 in his mission to bag a passing celebrity 121 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,880 for the BBC Me YouTube Super Selfie launch campaign. 122 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,680 - Yeah, hi, yeah. - Hi. 123 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,479 - Yeah, so I'm Will. - Right. 124 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,560 Yeah, I love the sky. 125 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,159 - Right. - I used to have a telescope. 126 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,800 - OK. - Yeah, not like a real one. 127 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,520 - I'm sorry, I'm going to go. - OK, cool. 128 00:05:23,599 --> 00:05:25,880 - Sorry. - Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 129 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:35,359 So, what we've realized is, and I've just double-checked this, 130 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,039 this is actually the first time his name has come up since 2.0 went live, 131 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,400 so, technically, the system is working blind here, it's generating a new word 132 00:05:43,479 --> 00:05:45,560 which it's never heard before, so if you think about it, 133 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,159 it's actually a pretty interesting result. 134 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,719 I have thought about it, and "Jews Holland" is not a result. 135 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,080 {\an8}Meanwhile, current head of News and Current Affairs, Neil Reid, 136 00:05:53,159 --> 00:05:54,320 has popped down to touch base 137 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,359 with the BBC's chief technical services choreographer, Adam Brady. 138 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,840 I'm sorry, I've had enough. 139 00:05:59,919 --> 00:06:02,039 If we can't go back to the slightly less useless system, 140 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,760 then I'm afraid we're just gonna have to cut our losses for the moment anyway 141 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,320 before something truly awful happens and switch it off. 142 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,120 - Switch it off. - Yeah, I'm sorry. 143 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,919 - Yeah, very good. - What? 144 00:06:11,039 --> 00:06:11,919 Following an upgrade 145 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 of the BBC's cutting-edge Syncopatico in-house operating system, 146 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,440 its Syncopaticaption intelligent live subtitling software 147 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,760 is still doggedly refusing either to learn from its mistakes 148 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,280 {\an8}or to give up and switch itself off. 149 00:06:25,359 --> 00:06:28,280 I'm not technical, but would it help if I put a hammer through this crap in here? 150 00:06:28,359 --> 00:06:30,039 - Yeah. - I'm including you in that. 151 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,840 So, one thing that's really impressive about 2.0... 152 00:06:32,919 --> 00:06:34,960 - Impressive? - is that once it's up and running, 153 00:06:35,039 --> 00:06:36,320 it's pretty much bomb proof. 154 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,560 - What does that mean? - You can literally pull the plug out, 155 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,640 and it will keep going. 156 00:06:39,719 --> 00:06:40,799 I don't believe this. 157 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,000 The thing with fail-safe protocols, they're brilliant, don't get me wrong, 158 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,200 they're pretty close to perfect as long as everything works fine... 159 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:48,400 - Yeah. - but the second something goes wrong, 160 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:50,960 which technically can't actually happen, by the way, 161 00:06:51,039 --> 00:06:53,320 you kind of miss the "off" button, you know what I mean? 162 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,680 I know. 163 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,280 I mean, who'd have thought? 164 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,919 By 11:30, Ian and Anna have managed to make their way back 165 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:14,560 to New Broadcasting House. 166 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,440 They may already be late for the big swing band damage limitation meeting, 167 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,799 but at least they've made it without any further medical emergencies. 168 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:25,400 - After you. - Yes, exactly, yes. 169 00:07:25,479 --> 00:07:29,359 - Before we go in, the fact is, I'm fine. - Right. Are you? Really? 170 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,200 - The fact is, none of this happened. - Didn't it? 171 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,479 - No. - OK, well, that must be a relief. 172 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,599 Yes, exactly, yes. 173 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,280 - Also, the fact is-- - Yes, Will, hi. 174 00:07:37,359 --> 00:07:39,400 - Yeah, hey. - The fact is, I'm going in now. 175 00:07:39,479 --> 00:07:40,799 - Right. - I'll see you up there. 176 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,320 See you in there, yes. Right. Uh... hi. 177 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,680 Yeah, hey, how are you? 178 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,359 Actually, things are a bit busy this morning since you asked. 179 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,200 - Yeah. - A lot of stuff happening today. 180 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:50,560 I know, yeah, me too. 181 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,640 So I'm doing, like, this thing for BBC Me. 182 00:07:55,719 --> 00:07:57,159 - Oh, right? - Yeah, it's for Izzy. 183 00:07:57,239 --> 00:07:59,560 - Right, OK. - I was wondering if you could do a "me." 184 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,479 - Do a you? - Cool, yes, so, what it is... 185 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:03,840 - Will... - Hang on. 186 00:08:03,919 --> 00:08:05,280 - This sounds really interesting. - I know. 187 00:08:05,359 --> 00:08:07,120 - But I really have got to go. - OK. 188 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,359 - Find me later when I've got more time. - OK, cool. 189 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,400 - But in the meantime, you know, good luck. - Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 190 00:08:16,239 --> 00:08:17,280 Sir Bob Geldof. 191 00:08:17,359 --> 00:08:19,200 Sir Bob Geldof, yeah. Sir Van Morrison. 192 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,320 - Sir Tom Jones. - Yep. Sir Bono. 193 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,320 - Sir Bono? - Sir Bono, yeah. 194 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,159 - We love Sir Bono. - No, I'm sorry, Siobhan. 195 00:08:25,239 --> 00:08:26,479 Brilliant. 196 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,560 By 11:45, the Jools Holland Twitter campaign to boycott the BBC 197 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,600 against the termination of the BBC Big Swing Band, 198 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,480 together with its much-loved veteran band leader, Ray Fredericks, 199 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,000 is attracting a growing number of prominent musical Knight Commanders 200 00:08:40,079 --> 00:08:42,000 of the Order of Sir Paul McCartney. 201 00:08:42,079 --> 00:08:43,600 - Sir Paul McCartney. - Paul McCartney, yeah. 202 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,240 - Cor. - Sir Mick Jagger. 203 00:08:45,319 --> 00:08:46,360 - Sir will.i.am. - Yeah. 204 00:08:46,439 --> 00:08:48,120 - Right, OK. - Brilliant. 205 00:08:48,199 --> 00:08:50,319 I'm sorry, guys, this is not actually helping, OK? 206 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,640 - Sir Boy George. - Sir Boy George, yeah. 207 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,400 - It's just a list of names. - Totally is. 208 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:55,800 - Brilliant. - OK. 209 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,520 - Tapper family from Gogglebox. - Yep. 210 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,720 It's a long list of names, but, I'm sorry, reading them one by one isn't gonna help. 211 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,280 - Ah, brilliant, thank God. - Yes, hi. 212 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,000 - Apologies. - The Westminster Two. 213 00:09:06,079 --> 00:09:08,880 - Sorry we're late. - No, no, come and join us. 214 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:11,439 - How was it? - Yes, it's been interesting, hasn't it? 215 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,600 - Yes, exactly, yes. - There's a lot to discuss, 216 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:17,319 but Ian's first job, before they get on to the main damage of the morning, 217 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,520 is to bring the meeting briefly up to speed 218 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,439 with how things went at the crucial first charter renewal meeting 219 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,560 at the Department of Culture, Media, and also Sport. 220 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:26,640 - A trombonist? - Yes. 221 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,120 - Yes, exactly. - Gor, no. 222 00:09:28,199 --> 00:09:29,760 - Blimey. - Which, let's face it, 223 00:09:29,839 --> 00:09:32,319 is probably not the best news in the context of the morning. 224 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,520 - Bummer. - Listen, honestly, bad luck. 225 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,160 In the meantime, we've been keeping track of other developments, so... 226 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:38,360 - Yes. - Brilliant. 227 00:09:38,439 --> 00:09:40,000 - Brilliant. - I think we're pretty much up to-- 228 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:41,439 Here's the thing, guys. 229 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,880 - Louisiana's burning here, guys, OK? - Brilliant. 230 00:09:43,959 --> 00:09:45,720 - Louisiana's burning? - Is that actually right? 231 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,199 - No, it is not. - Got to break out the water hose. 232 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,360 - Yes, no, very good. - First, let's not be negative. 233 00:09:50,439 --> 00:09:51,439 - Brilliant. - Right. 234 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,800 - Yes. - Not being negative, Ian, but why not? 235 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,880 - It seems to me-- - As of now, what you guys did here 236 00:09:56,959 --> 00:09:58,800 is you, like, totally fumbled the ball, you dropped it, 237 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,560 and you totally gave it to, like, Tappers from Gogglebox and Sir Boy George. 238 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:03,640 - Whatever. - OK, no. 239 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,640 - So-- - No, I'm sorry, guys, I'm sorry, Siobhan, 240 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,760 but not everyone is a Knight of the Realm, OK? 241 00:10:07,839 --> 00:10:11,920 I've got nothing against him personally, but the truth is Boy George is not a sir. 242 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,520 - Whatever. - He's just a boy. 243 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,600 I'll totally give you that. My point is, 244 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:19,280 you don't get narrative buyback soon, you'll get narrative blowback instead. 245 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,040 - Narrative blowback? - Like #CantSeeForShit 246 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,600 - Right, that's it. - Yes, no, very clear. 247 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,360 OK, OK. OK, I'll just do it. 248 00:10:26,439 --> 00:10:30,319 With the big swing band crisis unfolding live and in real-time, 249 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,839 this is a busy morning for the BBC's Head of News. 250 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,880 Sorry, hang on a minute there, Sarah. Yeah. 251 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:36,720 - Yeah, hi. - So? 252 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:39,520 - I'm doing this thing for BBC Me. - OK. 253 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,240 - It's for Izzy Gould, so if you can just-- - Do I have to? 254 00:10:42,319 --> 00:10:43,319 - No. - OK, great. 255 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,760 - OK, cool. - Yeah, so... 256 00:10:44,839 --> 00:10:47,720 No, I get it. The thing about the statement of policy 257 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,480 is that, as far as I'm aware, we don't actually have one. 258 00:10:51,319 --> 00:10:56,520 OK, so #JeSuisBigBand is trending worldwide right now. 259 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,600 - Brilliant. - Yes. 260 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:00,040 - So this thing has gone viro-nuclear. - Yes, thank you, Siobhan. 261 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:00,920 Yes, thank you, Siobhan. 262 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:01,839 - Brilliant. - Brilliant. 263 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,680 By 12:15, the damage limitation challenge is growing by the minute, 264 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,600 with over 4,000 people having now joined the conversation on Twitter 265 00:11:09,680 --> 00:11:13,760 at #JeSuisBigSwingBand #BoycottBBC. 266 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:16,079 - Sorry. - No, no, Faiza. 267 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:17,760 - Just catching up. - Yes, no, join us. 268 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:20,360 - Yes, exactly. - Honestly, what a car crash. 269 00:11:20,439 --> 00:11:21,520 Yes, exactly, yes. 270 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,360 But luckily, Faiza Raja, for the moment the BBC's Head of Diversity, 271 00:11:25,439 --> 00:11:27,959 pending that role's reimaginement going forward 272 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,880 along with Head of Inclusivity to create a single new role 273 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:33,719 of Head of Empowerment, has arrived to help take the strain. 274 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,800 I've left messages for Donna Fredericks and her father and asked them to call. 275 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,280 - Right. - Brilliant. 276 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,680 - They've turned their phones off. Yes. - I'm not surprised. 277 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,040 - Who can blame them? - Kanye West. 278 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,400 - Yep. - I'm sorry this didn't come through me. 279 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,920 - I don't know how that happened. - Yes, well, let's not-- 280 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,760 - This is a diversity issue-- - Well-- 281 00:11:48,839 --> 00:11:53,680 But no, beyond that, surely it's about the empowerment of voices 282 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,439 from as diverse a range of backgrounds as we can think of. 283 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,160 - Brilliant. - And how we could have got this 284 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,160 so badly wrong, it's beyond me. 285 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,600 Yes, exactly, yes. 286 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,199 - Honestly, it's so much bad luck, Lucy. - What? 287 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,079 - Sir Ian McKellen. - Given the situation, 288 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,680 let's not waste time on the details of how we got here, shall we? 289 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,760 - Brilliant. - Jacob Zuma. 290 00:12:10,839 --> 00:12:12,240 - Cool. - Yeah, right, OK. 291 00:12:12,319 --> 00:12:13,600 - Jacob Zuma? - Fabulous. 292 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,439 - Professor Green. - Professor Green, yeah. 293 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,079 - Right, so, OK. - Thank God, the man of the news. 294 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,800 So, I've spoken to Sarah Cartwright. 295 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,240 - Sarah...? - Sarah Cartwright. 296 00:12:21,319 --> 00:12:22,920 - Yeah. - Sarah Cartwright. 297 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,719 - Yes, no, of course. - Editor, News at One. Yeah. 298 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:28,600 So they've cleared a live slot at 1:15. 299 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:29,680 - Right. - Hurrah. 300 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,920 - 1:15. - Talking about a statement of policy. 301 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,360 - Right. - Oh, bloody hell. 302 00:12:33,439 --> 00:12:35,400 They've asked Tony, but he's Skyping 303 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,839 - with Jools Holland at one o'clock. - Cool. 304 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:37,920 - Right. - Brilliant. 305 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,160 - And they daren't move that. - Nah. 306 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:40,240 But according to Sarah, 307 00:12:40,319 --> 00:12:44,319 Tony's really keen that this happens in the spirit of, you know, openness. 308 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,680 - Right, yes. - I bet he is. 309 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,120 Really keen. Sarah said his voice sounded a bit funny. 310 00:12:48,199 --> 00:12:50,319 - Funny? - She said it was higher than normal. 311 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:51,560 - Yes. - Didn't have time to-- 312 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,319 - Yes, no, that can happen. - No, OK. 313 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,520 - Anyway, he's suggesting Anna. - All right. 314 00:12:55,599 --> 00:12:57,400 - Anna? - As Director of Better, yeah. 315 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Fabulous. 316 00:12:59,199 --> 00:13:00,079 You OK with that, Anna? 317 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,199 - Yes, I guess, exactly, no, yes. - Cool. 318 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,839 Right. So, not to be panicking or anything, guys, 319 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,480 but just to clarify here, am I right in thinking 320 00:13:07,560 --> 00:13:11,240 the situation is that we have no idea what Anna's going to be saying 321 00:13:11,319 --> 00:13:12,319 on News at One, 322 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,319 and we have 59 minutes between now and when she's going to say it? 323 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,120 - Correct. - Yes, right, I thought so. 324 00:13:17,199 --> 00:13:18,480 - Right. - Fifty-eight. 325 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:21,240 - I have 58, yeah. - OK. Goody good. 326 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,959 - OK, so-- - OK, 58 minutes here, guys. 327 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,520 - Looking at a hard stop here. - First of all, let's stay calm, shall we. 328 00:13:29,599 --> 00:13:30,640 - Sure. - Yes, very good. 329 00:13:30,719 --> 00:13:32,839 Fifty-eight minutes is a lot longer than you think. 330 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,000 - Is it? Great. - Yes. 331 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:36,040 I don't know about the rest of you guys, 332 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,160 but can I suggest a short comfort break first? 333 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,400 - Right? - Brilliant. 334 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:40,640 - Yes. Yes. - Really? 335 00:13:40,719 --> 00:13:43,400 I'm not being funny, but I think that would help. 336 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,319 - Yes, exactly. - Right, well, if-- 337 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,680 - Yes, exactly, yes. - OK, comfort break, guys. 338 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,040 - All rightie. - Cool. 339 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,000 - Back in five at the very... - Back in five. 340 00:13:51,079 --> 00:13:54,079 - Yes. - We come back, weapon up here, 341 00:13:54,199 --> 00:13:56,240 - and solution the ass off this thing. - OK, good. 342 00:13:56,319 --> 00:13:57,360 - Hurrah. - Hurrah. 343 00:13:57,439 --> 00:13:58,319 Hurrah. 344 00:14:09,199 --> 00:14:11,160 - Oh, Lucy, hi. - Yes, hi. 345 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,760 - You haven't seen Anna, have you? - Anna? No. 346 00:14:13,839 --> 00:14:15,640 - Afraid I hadn't, sorry. - No, that's OK. 347 00:14:15,719 --> 00:14:17,640 - Just wondered where she was. - Yes, I don't know. 348 00:14:17,719 --> 00:14:19,719 - Better get back in there. - Yes. You OK? 349 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,319 Me? Yes. Yes, no. Yes, no, I'm fine. 350 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,920 'Cause you really mustn't let this stuff get to you. 351 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,240 - It's just good to get out for a bit. - Right. For what it's worth-- 352 00:14:28,319 --> 00:14:30,120 Anna? 353 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,199 - Yes. Yes, hi. - You OK? 354 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,000 Uh, yes, I'm fine. The fact is... 355 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,520 - Right. - God. 356 00:14:39,599 --> 00:14:41,160 OK, uh... 357 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Right. 358 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:50,479 Yeah, hi, yeah. So could... 359 00:14:52,439 --> 00:14:53,319 Hello, Will. 360 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,959 - Oh, yeah, hey, yeah. - So, how's it going? 361 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Meanwhile, back down in reception, 362 00:14:57,959 --> 00:15:00,800 like it or not, it's starting to look as if Will Humphries 363 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,640 might have at last run into someone willing to take part 364 00:15:03,719 --> 00:15:06,439 in the BBC Me Super Selfie campaign. 365 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:07,520 - Ready? - Yeah, cool. 366 00:15:07,599 --> 00:15:09,680 - Me. - Cool. 367 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,920 - Is it OK, Will? - Yeah, no. 368 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,520 - Is it really, though? - Yeah, no, cool, yeah. 369 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,560 Me. 370 00:15:17,439 --> 00:15:19,719 I don't think that's very good. Can I have another go? 371 00:15:22,479 --> 00:15:23,280 OK. 372 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:27,920 Me-- Actually, I don't think the lighting is doing us any favours. 373 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,240 - OK. - Do you know what I mean, though. 374 00:15:29,319 --> 00:15:30,839 Can we go outside into natural light, Will? 375 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,199 - It's OK with you? - No worries. 376 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:33,880 - What am I like? - Yeah, I don't know. 377 00:15:37,479 --> 00:15:38,959 Not having much luck today, are you, Anna? 378 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,439 - The fact is, I'm fine. - Thirty-two minutes, guys. 379 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,920 Yes, OK, thank you, Siobhan. 380 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,160 They're gonna take you to the hospital, Anna, just to be on the safe side. 381 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,040 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Now, honestly, bad luck. 382 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,599 You can take that jacket off, I don't need it. 383 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,640 - We're going on a train to the continent. - Right, uh... 384 00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:54,439 - Blimey. - Yeah, I think that's just... 385 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,640 On the journey to her current level of executive seniority, 386 00:15:57,719 --> 00:16:00,839 Anna Rampton may have broken through just about every glass ceiling 387 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:02,920 put in front of her by the BBC, 388 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,920 but she's having less luck with some of its glass walls. 389 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,479 Yeah, you're not listening, Sarah. 390 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,000 In the meantime, the live interview about the BBC Big Swing Band 391 00:16:11,079 --> 00:16:13,479 on the one o'clock news isn't getting any less live 392 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,880 or any further away. 393 00:16:14,959 --> 00:16:17,000 "A," we don't know what she's going to be saying, 394 00:16:17,079 --> 00:16:19,800 And "B," she's not going to be saying it at all at this rate. 395 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,280 - We're gonna take you to the hospital. - Yes, exactly. 396 00:16:22,359 --> 00:16:25,520 You had a bump to your head. We'd like to take you for an X-ray. 397 00:16:25,599 --> 00:16:27,880 - Yes. - Do you understand what I'm saying, Anna? 398 00:16:27,959 --> 00:16:29,439 Yes, exactly, yes. 399 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,520 - Take that shirt off, you don't need it. - Yes... 400 00:16:31,599 --> 00:16:33,719 - We're going in the train to a continent. - Christ. 401 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,199 - I'm not quite sure what that-- - Just relax, Anna. 402 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:37,640 - Yes, exactly. - Yeah, relax. 403 00:16:37,719 --> 00:16:38,719 Come with us. 404 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,599 You're not going on any train. You hit your head, you're talking garbage. 405 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,560 - How do you feel about standing up, Anna? - Yes. Yes, exactly. 406 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,920 - Or would you like to go in the chair? - Yes. No, I don't want that. 407 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:49,439 Oh, well done. 408 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,040 I'm not being funny, but should someone go with her? 409 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,560 - Yes, I think-- - Ah, right. 410 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:54,800 - Good idea. - No way. 411 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,439 - It's a tricky one, isn't it? - One dead man down already here, guys. 412 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,560 She's not dead, Siobhan. 413 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,160 - Is there someone you want us to contact? - Yes, exactly. 414 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,800 - A mobile number or email address? - Yes. 415 00:17:04,879 --> 00:17:06,839 - Take that skirt off, I won't need it. - Right. 416 00:17:06,919 --> 00:17:08,680 - We're going up the train to incontinence. - Right. 417 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,680 - Do you want to go with her, Faiza? - Me? 418 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,560 - It feels like somebody should. - I agree. 419 00:17:12,639 --> 00:17:14,399 - And I don't know Anna that well. - Uh.... 420 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,440 OK, cool, whatever. The rest of us got 30 minutes 421 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,760 to figure a way off of this volcano before it blows. 422 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,879 - Right, yes. - Yes, thank you, Siobhan. 423 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:24,560 - Um... Anna? - Yes. 424 00:17:24,639 --> 00:17:29,000 - It's Faiza. Head of Diversity. - Yes, exactly. 425 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:30,480 Somebody's had an accident. 426 00:17:39,159 --> 00:17:41,960 The BBC itself has declined to comment so far this morning, 427 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,399 but coming up after the business news at 1:15, 428 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,919 {\an8}we'll be talking to the BBC's so-called "Head of Values," 429 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,200 Ian Fletcher, and asking him for his reaction to the affair. 430 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:51,560 - Right, OK. - Brilliant. 431 00:17:51,639 --> 00:17:52,480 Yeah, bad luck. 432 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,720 I'm not gonna ask how that happened because we haven't got the time. 433 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,080 Yes, no, brilliant. Captain Renewal. Hurrah. 434 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,960 With Anna now out of the equation for the live interview 435 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,680 about the Big Swing Band crisis on News at One, 436 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,080 and with Ian having stepped into her shoes without even trying to, 437 00:18:08,159 --> 00:18:11,639 the only question left is, what it is that he's going to be saying in them 438 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,480 in exactly 26 minutes' time. 439 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,879 - OK, 26 minutes here, guys. - Yes, thank you, Siobhan. 440 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:17,240 - Twenty-six, yeah. - Yeah, all right. 441 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,200 - Twenty-six. - I mean, the big-- 442 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,080 Sorry, Ian. Where has the other one gone? 443 00:18:21,159 --> 00:18:22,800 - The... - What's happened to Jerry? 444 00:18:22,879 --> 00:18:24,480 - Yes. - Oh, Ben. 445 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,639 - Yeah, OK, what's happened to Ben? - Yes. 446 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,320 - I don't mind, it's just doing my head in. - Yes, no, brilliant, Neil. 447 00:18:29,399 --> 00:18:31,679 - Are you doing both of you? - Ben's got his interview. 448 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,280 - Oh, right, OK. - Yeah. 449 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:34,639 - Right. Well... - Brilliant. 450 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,879 - Good luck, everybody. - Shall we-- 451 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:37,480 - Yes, no, brilliant. - Hurrah. 452 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,120 Yes, no, so the big positive about not having enough time 453 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:41,360 is it concentrates the mind. 454 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,840 - Yes, right. - Fabulous. 455 00:18:42,919 --> 00:18:45,399 - As long as we're clear what our line is. - Brilliant. 456 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:46,720 - Cool. - Yes, right. 457 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:48,760 Yes, no, very good. 458 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,800 Actually, it's really simple, isn't it? 459 00:18:50,879 --> 00:18:51,879 - Is it? - Hurrah. 460 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,240 This whole thing with... 461 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:54,679 Sorry. 462 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,879 - No, no. - Yes, no, come and join us, Ben. 463 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,320 - Brilliant. - Welcome back. 464 00:18:58,399 --> 00:19:00,639 - Yeah, welcome back. - How did it go, Ben? 465 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,720 - Brilliant. - Oh, good. 466 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,879 - Yep. - Right, well... 467 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:03,960 Hurrah. 468 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,720 - So anyway, Neil. - Yes, yes, so, this whole... 469 00:19:08,919 --> 00:19:10,120 - Right. - Sorry. 470 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,679 - No, no, that's. - Good luck, Jerry. 471 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,639 - Yes. - Brilliant. 472 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,760 - Yeah, knock 'em dead. - Hurrah. 473 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,120 - Right, so any other traffic... - Yes, no, brilliant, I think that's it. 474 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,600 - OK. - We're good to go. 475 00:19:22,679 --> 00:19:24,919 - Brilliant. - This whole thing with the band, 476 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,840 - why don't we say we're not doing it? - Right. 477 00:19:26,919 --> 00:19:28,200 - Ah. - Right, OK. 478 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,120 - Interesting. - So we're not closing down the band? 479 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,120 - Yeah. - Cool. 480 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,240 - Can we actually say that? - No, I'm totally good with that. 481 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,159 No, I'm sorry, Siobhan, I'm sorry, guys, I'm not being negative, 482 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,639 - but it is actually too late for that. - Well... 483 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,159 I've basically spent the last two days confirming that we are doing it 484 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:43,879 - to everybody who's asked. - Right. 485 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,480 OK, so we changed our minds. Sod it. 486 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,520 - I'm not sure how that would look. - Exactly, Ian, I agree. 487 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,399 - Yes. - In that case, it's equally simple: 488 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,560 we're fucked. 489 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,480 - Hi. - Oh, hi. 490 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,440 Meanwhile, elsewhere in the building, 491 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,919 people like development executives Izzy Gould and Jack Patterson 492 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,960 seem to be going about their business as usual, 493 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:16,639 almost as if it was a normal day. 494 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,679 Oh, God, Will. 495 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:19,840 Hi. 496 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:20,960 Yeah, hey, yeah. 497 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:22,200 In much the same spirit, 498 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,720 Will Humphries is still at his post in reception, 499 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,679 in the hope of a sudden lunchtime surge of celebrity. 500 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,840 - I didn't mean for you to stay all day. - Cool, no worries, I don't mind. 501 00:20:30,919 --> 00:20:32,240 Oh, so you're... it's you. 502 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,879 - What? No, what? - You're like Mister Super Me. 503 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,159 - Yeah, no. - Jack. 504 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,320 'Cause you're like a team now. It's a Humphries-Gould production. 505 00:20:39,399 --> 00:20:40,560 Yeah, no, I don't know. 506 00:20:41,159 --> 00:20:43,000 - So go on, then. Who've you got? - Yeah. 507 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,000 - Jack. - Well, it's no secret, is it? 508 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,440 - Yeah. - It's not fair on Will. 509 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,440 - I'm just curious to know. - 'Cause I did get some people. 510 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,520 Why did... You did? 511 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,879 - Yeah, I did, yeah. - There you go. Go on, hit me. 512 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,760 - Yeah. What? - Will, are you sure about this? 513 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:56,240 - Yeah, no worries. - 'Cause we don't have to do this now. 514 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,200 OK, cool. 515 00:21:00,639 --> 00:21:02,520 - Me. - Me. 516 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,080 Me. Is that... 517 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:05,159 Me. 518 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,520 - Me. - Me. 519 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,080 - Me. - Me. 520 00:21:09,159 --> 00:21:10,159 Me. 521 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,639 Me. 522 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,720 Me. 523 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,040 - Right. - Yeah. OK. 524 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:18,320 'Cause at the moment, except for this one guy, 525 00:21:18,399 --> 00:21:20,120 it's mostly like people I actually know. 526 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,280 - Yes. Can we see that again, Will? - Yeah. 527 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:23,560 No worries, yeah, cool. 528 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,639 - Me. - Me. 529 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,760 - Me. Is that... - Me. 530 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,120 - Me. - Me. 531 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,639 - Me. - Me. 532 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,040 - Me. - Me. 533 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,040 Me. 534 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,240 - Right. - Will. 535 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,560 - Fuck. - 'Cause with the people I don't know, 536 00:21:40,639 --> 00:21:42,879 apart from that one guy, I asked and they were like "no." 537 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,280 - Yeah. - This one woman was gonna call the police. 538 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,679 - Yeah. - Will, can... the guy who said yes. 539 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,480 Yeah, I know, yeah, crap. He just came in, like, 540 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,960 people pointing at him, so I asked him, but I didn't actually know who he is. 541 00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:56,840 Me. 542 00:22:00,639 --> 00:22:02,679 - OK, 13 minutes, guys. - Yes. 543 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,560 Platform's totally burning here. 544 00:22:04,639 --> 00:22:06,840 OK, let's say we've got ten minutes to do this. 545 00:22:06,919 --> 00:22:08,280 - Ten. - In round figures, yes, 546 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:09,879 - to give Siobhan three minutes off. - Right. 547 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,040 - OK, sure. - Brilliant. 548 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:15,760 Meanwhile, back upstairs, there are increasingly few surviving minutes left 549 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,080 until Ian opens his mouth 550 00:22:17,159 --> 00:22:19,720 to make a key policy statement live on News at One 551 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,679 and finally gets to discover what's going to come out of it. 552 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,040 - I mean, Siobhan. - Sure. 553 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:25,480 - Right. - Really? 554 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,439 In your world, this kind of thing is pretty... 555 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,960 - No, sure, OK. - This stuff happens all the time. 556 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,560 Yeah, no, sure, OK. So here's the thing with this, OK. 557 00:22:33,639 --> 00:22:35,320 - Here's what it is. - Right. 558 00:22:35,399 --> 00:22:37,520 OK, um, so here's the thing with this. 559 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,280 - Siobhan. - This is what it is with this. 560 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,040 Here's what... the thing is-- 561 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:43,320 I'm sorry, Siobhan, but I am going to interrupt you here. 562 00:22:43,399 --> 00:22:44,600 - Sure. - Yes, please. 563 00:22:44,679 --> 00:22:46,240 - Can I ask a question, guys? - Yes. 564 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,240 - Sure. - Yes, no, of course, Tracey, of course. 565 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,919 I'm not being negative or anything but I need to say this. 566 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,120 We've got eight minutes left here. 567 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,040 What are we actually going to do if we run out of time? 568 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:56,919 - Right. - Sure. 569 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,639 - Brilliant. - We're not going to run out of time. 570 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,120 - OK, fine. - Hurrah. 571 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,360 - But what do we do if we do? - Sure. 572 00:23:02,439 --> 00:23:04,919 - Well... - So, guys, what you do here 573 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,240 is we totally focus on plan B. 574 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,720 - I'm sorry? Plan B? - Right. 575 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,360 You don't prioritize plan B now, you're super dead here. 576 00:23:11,439 --> 00:23:14,800 - We haven't got a plan A, you stupid... - Exactly. That's why you need a plan B. 577 00:23:14,879 --> 00:23:15,879 - What? - Duh. 578 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,080 - We've got nearly eight minutes left. - Right. 579 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,639 - Seven. Seven, yeah. - Seven? 580 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,800 Yes, nearly eight. We're not writing a speech, we've got plenty of time. 581 00:23:22,879 --> 00:23:24,399 - Brilliant. - All I need is a basic 582 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,919 or even a vague sense of where I'm supposed to... 583 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,159 - Sorry, guys. - Oh, right. 584 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,679 - You all set, Ian? - Oh, well... 585 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,679 - Cool, we should probably get down there. - Right, yes. OK. 586 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,040 In the end, 587 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:38,080 after all the talk about exactly how much time they've got left, 588 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:41,320 the answer is that they haven't even got enough left to address 589 00:23:41,399 --> 00:23:44,960 the question of what they're going to do if they run out of it, but despite that, 590 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,120 what's clear is the extent to which, now more than ever, 591 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:49,520 everyone is behind Ian. 592 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,080 - Are you OK with that? - Yes, fine. 593 00:23:51,159 --> 00:23:53,280 No, we're not all bloody set. 594 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,200 I'm actively looking for sofas to hide behind as we speak. 595 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,240 The live two-way interview is to be conducted 596 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,960 with news presenter Sophie Raworth live in the BBC news studio 597 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,840 and Ian equally live at a remote interview station 598 00:24:04,919 --> 00:24:07,520 specially constructed somewhere else in the same building. 599 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,399 Ideally, this would be fitted down through. 600 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:10,960 - Whatever. - But we haven't got time. 601 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,879 - It's fine, I'll hold that. - You sure? 602 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,080 - No, he can totally hold that. - OK, great. 603 00:24:15,159 --> 00:24:17,320 It'll be fine, Ian. We all believe in you. 604 00:24:17,399 --> 00:24:20,399 And you always think of something in the end because you always do. 605 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,840 I might just check in with Tony, Ian, just to bring him up to speed. 606 00:24:24,919 --> 00:24:26,760 In a few years, we'll be laughing at this. 607 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,040 - Yes. - Alice, hi. 608 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,280 Yes, no, it's an interesting one. 609 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,120 Yes. Yes, really interesting. 610 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,600 - OK, I think we're good. - Right. 611 00:24:34,679 --> 00:24:35,960 - OK, let's do this, guys. - Siobhan. 612 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,320 Storming the compound blind here. Keep the chopper running. 613 00:24:38,399 --> 00:24:40,000 - Can you just be quiet, please? - Yeah, shut up. 614 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,120 - No, sure. - Fuck's sake. 615 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,800 Finally, as it was always going to be eventually, it's time. 616 00:24:43,879 --> 00:24:46,639 - You all right? - Yes. Some water might be... 617 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,000 - Hey! Can we get some water here, guys? - All right, Siobhan. 618 00:24:50,679 --> 00:24:52,520 - Here, should I... - Yeah, thank you. 619 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,919 - Can we have a level, please? - Of course, yes, so, la-la-la. 620 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,320 OK, thanks, that's great, Ian. 621 00:24:57,399 --> 00:24:59,879 - Great, thanks. - What are you going to say? 622 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,919 - Well, you know, any ideas, gratefully... - Yes. 623 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,439 Actually, I thought "la-la-la" sounded pretty good. 624 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,800 - 'Cause this probably isn't-- - No, what? 625 00:25:06,879 --> 00:25:08,000 - OK, Ian. - Yes. 626 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,360 OK, we're standing by. 627 00:25:09,439 --> 00:25:11,320 ...campaign to boycott the BBC... 628 00:25:11,399 --> 00:25:12,760 We're standing by. Everybody shut up. 629 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,919 - What? - No, it's just, on my way in 630 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,919 in reception this morning, Will asked me-- 631 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,600 I don't know, I wasn't really sure what he was on about. 632 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:22,520 But it's just with all this stuff now about, you know, the future... 633 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,600 That's brilliant. 634 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,360 - OK, what? - Coming to you, Ian. 635 00:25:25,439 --> 00:25:27,360 - Coming to Ian, guys, going in. - Shh! 636 00:25:27,439 --> 00:25:29,159 - I haven't even-- - Doesn't matter, don't care. 637 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,439 ...its handling of the affair. 638 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,280 I'm joined now by the BBC's so-called Head of Values, Ian Fletcher. 639 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,120 - Yes, hello. - Thank you for joining us today. 640 00:25:36,199 --> 00:25:37,240 It's a pleasure, Sophie. 641 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,439 This whole issue with the Big Swing Band and the BBC's handling of the affair, 642 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,199 this is basically another example of a bad decision, really poorly executed 643 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,439 for the BBC, isn't it? 644 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,199 No, I have to say, Sophie, 645 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,679 I don't recognize that description of where we are with this. 646 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,120 But we're talking about an institution here, 647 00:25:53,199 --> 00:25:56,240 and a much-loved one at that, a feature of national life 648 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,240 - for something like 80 years. - Yes. 649 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,159 The only BBC orchestra led by a person from a non-white background. 650 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,720 - Sure. - You've got this wrong 651 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,600 on just about every single level, haven't you? 652 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:06,520 Yes, no, so, first of fall, 653 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,320 there's no point in not admitting that these are tough choices, because they are. 654 00:26:09,399 --> 00:26:11,280 - Sure, OK. - We're looking hard at all our options, 655 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,960 of course we are, as part of our More of Less initiative. 656 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,040 But with respect, and we haven't got a great deal of time here, 657 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,399 with respect, these are generalities, aren't they? 658 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,760 - Yes-- - So with this decision specifically... 659 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Yes, so with the Big Swing Band in particular, 660 00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:28,520 this is a welcome opportunity to correct some fairly serious misunderstandings 661 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:30,040 about what we're actually doing there. 662 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,520 So you're saying that the BBC is not intending to axe the band? 663 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,000 Yes, so one option we've become very excited about 664 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,600 and we've been working on the detail of this for some time now, 665 00:26:38,679 --> 00:26:42,199 far from closing it, is, in fact, the idea of reimagining it, 666 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,399 giving it its own creative and commercial independence 667 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,000 and at the same time, giving it its own dedicated space online 668 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,679 as part of the new BBC Me platform. 669 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,360 And making it, if you like, part of an exciting and confident new future, 670 00:26:55,439 --> 00:26:58,399 rather than part of a nostalgic and perhaps fading past. 671 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,760 - OK, well-- - In many ways, it's a pretty good example 672 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,720 of the sort of things we're doing to create a BBC for the 21st century. 673 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,919 - Yes, Ian Fletcher. - Taking the best of what we've achieved 674 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,960 in the past and redefining it to create a BBC that's more efficient... 675 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,840 - Ian Fletcher... - more relevant, more accessible 676 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:13,679 to even more people than it's ever been before. 677 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,960 - Thank you for joining us. - Pleasure always, Sophie. 678 00:27:16,879 --> 00:27:19,639 Ian Fletcher, the BBC's Head of so-called Values, 679 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,399 joining us live from Central London there. 680 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,800 OK, and we're clear. 681 00:27:24,879 --> 00:27:26,439 - Right. - OK, we're clear, guys. 682 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,919 - Thanks, Ian, great. - Brilliant. 683 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,879 I love this. I so love it when this shit happens. 684 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,280 Yes, so basically that's all good. 57651

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