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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,639 --> 00:00:12,799 Standby 2... 2 00:00:12,879 --> 00:00:14,719 Mix through, cue on 2. 3 00:00:14,799 --> 00:00:16,480 The BBC's announced the appointment 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,919 of the ex-head of Olympic Delivery, Ian Fletcher, as its new Head of Values. 5 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,480 Time now for the shipping forecast. 6 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Superimpose. 7 00:00:41,879 --> 00:00:43,000 It's Monday morning 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,800 and a new week at the BBC's new Broadcasting House headquarters 9 00:00:46,879 --> 00:00:48,160 somewhere in central London, 10 00:00:48,239 --> 00:00:52,000 as Head of Values, Ian Fletcher, arrives in order to begin it. 11 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,519 - Morning! - Morning. 12 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:02,959 - Morning, Will. - Oh hey, yeah, cool. 13 00:01:03,959 --> 00:01:06,880 So far at least, on the basis of all the available evidence, 14 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,520 it looks as if everything's going like clockwork. 15 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Well, first of all, thank you for making time for this. 16 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,720 I know how busy things are at the moment. 17 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,160 - Yep. - Yes, they certainly are, Ian, yes. 18 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:21,119 By nine o'clock, 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,080 Ian is chairing a special meeting of the "Way Ahead" group 20 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,920 in his role as someone whose job it is to steer the organization confidently 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,320 towards whatever it is that's going to happen next. 22 00:01:30,399 --> 00:01:32,839 But I called this meeting because I think we're at a critical moment 23 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,839 in the life of this group 24 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,160 and who knows, maybe even in the life of the corporation. 25 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,679 - Hoorah. - This is the year 26 00:01:37,759 --> 00:01:40,440 in which the BBC's Royal Charter is up for renewal. 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,080 Of course we know there are some tough choices coming our way. 28 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,520 - Brilliant. - Yes, exactly. 29 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,080 Which is what the "More Of Less" initiative is about, of course. 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:48,640 - Mm-hmm. Yep. - Yep. 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,199 The fact is this is about identifying what we do best 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 and finding more ways of doing less of it better. 33 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:55,960 - Yes. - Brilliant. 34 00:01:56,039 --> 00:01:56,920 Yeah, bollocks. 35 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,440 The charter renewal process 36 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,759 gives the BBC an opportunity to question everything it does and ask the question, 37 00:02:02,839 --> 00:02:05,199 whether there's any point to any of it at all anymore? 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,880 And with all that in mind, my suggestion is that as from today, 39 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,440 this becomes a "Renewal" group, rather than "Way Ahead". 40 00:02:10,519 --> 00:02:12,079 - All right, okay. - Yes, good. 41 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:13,480 - Hallelujah. - Well, no. 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,400 - Renewal. - Now, honestly. 43 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,560 - Amen. - It just focuses the mind, that's all. 44 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:18,280 Now I'm sorry, Ian... that is just... 45 00:02:18,359 --> 00:02:21,239 I mean, I feel like opening the window and shouting down Regent Street. 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,320 - No, well, please don't. - No, Christ's sake. 47 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,920 Really, it's about resetting the dial for everyone in the building 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:27,920 and shining a new light on that dial, 49 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,359 or at least shining the old light, but with a new bulb, 50 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,920 so none of us can be in any doubt where the dial is, 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,400 or can have any excuse for not being able to read what it says. 52 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:36,720 - Yeah. - Brilliant. 53 00:02:36,799 --> 00:02:38,120 - Blimey. - We got that? 54 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:39,000 - Got that? - Yep. 55 00:02:39,079 --> 00:02:40,120 - Yep. - Joyous. 56 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,880 Right, okay. So that's my big speech over. 57 00:02:41,959 --> 00:02:42,760 Oh, shame! 58 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:46,040 Okay, everybody, 59 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,480 so, welcome to Fun. Exciting day. Exciting time. 60 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Meanwhile across town, 61 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,160 in the world of what used to be Perfect Curve, 62 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:55,519 momentous and very different events are unfolding. 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,959 Today I introduce Siobhan Sharpe as our new joint CEO and partner in Fun. 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,640 Yay! 65 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,200 Perfect Curve has been bought 66 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,359 by Dutch-owned multi-national media giant, Fun Media. 67 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:08,239 And today, 68 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,280 chairman and founder Jens Schmidt has flown in to usher in the future. 69 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:15,079 - I know Siobhan has stuff she's gonna say. - Yay! 70 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,880 - But first, I'm gonna say a bit about Fun. - Yay! 71 00:03:19,079 --> 00:03:23,320 So the philosophy of Fun is that everybody in this building is happy. 72 00:03:23,399 --> 00:03:24,720 This is a happy building. 73 00:03:24,799 --> 00:03:27,239 Because a happy person is a creative person, 74 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,359 and a creative person is a happy person. 75 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,519 - So that's Fun. - We love fun. 76 00:03:31,959 --> 00:03:35,320 And you are all Fun people. You have good ideas, that’s why you're here. 77 00:03:35,399 --> 00:03:38,640 When something good happens, we should recognize this. 78 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,200 We should be happy, so what we do at Fun... 79 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,600 George is ready at any time, that's why he's here. 80 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,359 Time out, a few minutes. 81 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,119 - Silent disco, we dance. - Cool. 82 00:03:50,519 --> 00:03:52,239 - So a lot of people... - ♪ Gold ♪ 83 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 -♪ Always believe in your soul... ♪ - Yep... 84 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,440 - ♪ You're indestructible... ♪ - Okay... 85 00:03:58,959 --> 00:04:01,920 - ♪ Always believing... ♪ - Okay, so we save this, okay? 86 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,799 - Excuse me? - We maybe save this for later, huh? 87 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,280 - Okay, so we save it, guys, okay? - Yeah. 88 00:04:05,359 --> 00:04:06,839 - Save it maybe for later? - Okay... 89 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,119 - Thanks. - Mm. 90 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,079 So a lot of people say there's more to life than Fun. 91 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,839 - Sure. - But here we don't agree with that. 92 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,079 Nah-uh, no way. 93 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,279 You come in through the door of this building, okay? 94 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,599 - Sure. - Fun is your life and your life... 95 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 - Sure. - Your life is Fun. Yes? 96 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,920 Sure. Okay? So lots of Fun here, guys, okay? 97 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,440 Like a black pair of skinny jeans, do you know what I mean? Keep it simple. 98 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,440 Back over at New Broadcasting House, 99 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,880 the newly formed Renewal group is already facing its first-ever live challenge. 100 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,080 This one I like quite a lot. I like the cut on this. 101 00:04:46,159 --> 00:04:49,760 For me, what this says, it's understated, you know what I'm saying? 102 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,440 A Channel 4 documentary 103 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,479 about ex-Premier League footballer Ryan Chelford, 104 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,520 in which he talks openly for the first time 105 00:04:56,599 --> 00:04:58,599 about his life as a keen cross-dresser, 106 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,159 has thrown up some sensitive issues for the BBC. 107 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:02,280 Now this one... 108 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,599 I've had some times in this, I have. 109 00:05:05,039 --> 00:05:08,200 If this was a car, right, for me, this would be a Ferrari. 110 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,960 You put this on, something's gonna happen, you know what I'm saying? 111 00:05:11,039 --> 00:05:13,240 The documentary includes allegations 112 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,719 that the BBC rejected Ryan as a pundit 113 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,280 for its flagship football show Match of the Day, 114 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,440 because they were already aware of his very personal other life. 115 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,400 I went for, like, this audition, right? I went to Manchester. 116 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:27,000 Like I saw Alan Shearer in the car park. He didn't speak to me. 117 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,039 He was on his phone, getting out of his Audi fuckin' A8, 118 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:30,080 do you know what I'm saying? 119 00:05:30,159 --> 00:05:32,640 So I'm sat in the Match of the Day studio and everything. 120 00:05:32,719 --> 00:05:36,080 There's me and they had these guys like pretend Linekers and that sittin' in. 121 00:05:36,159 --> 00:05:39,240 And they play in this clip of like, Stoke v Swansea, whatever. 122 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,240 So, like, Peter Crouch is in the box. 123 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,159 And I'm like, okay, he's pulled off his man at the back post. 124 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,880 It's a decent header off of a quality cross, I admit that. 125 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,719 But albeit the Swansea defence has totally switched off. 126 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,159 I'm sorry, but for me the guy's like eight foot tall. 127 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,080 It's not rocket science. Do you know what I'm saying? 128 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Anyway, so I did that. Never heard from them again. Not a wor... 129 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,080 - Right, okay. - Right. 130 00:06:00,159 --> 00:06:01,599 I think that will do for the moment. 131 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:02,479 - Yes. - Brilliant. 132 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,359 - Brilliant. - Brilliant. 133 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,240 What I can say, guys, is that we are starting to take heavy incoming on this 134 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,080 - in the press office already. - Well, yes. 135 00:06:09,159 --> 00:06:10,039 Gah, no! 136 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,240 I mean, the issues are potentially pretty serious. 137 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:13,880 - Yes. - Yes, they are, Ian, yes. 138 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,359 Yes, no, especially, for inclusivity, of course, Lucy. 139 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,880 - Well, yes. - Yes, exactly, yes. 140 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:20,760 - Honestly, no, bad luck. - So I spoke to Clive Cook this morning. 141 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:21,760 - Oh, right. - Yes, me too, Lucy. 142 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,280 - Oh, right. - Clive? 143 00:06:23,359 --> 00:06:24,280 - Clive Cook. - Clive Cook. 144 00:06:24,359 --> 00:06:25,159 Oh yes, Clive Cook. 145 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,880 - BBC Head of Football. - Head of BBC Football. 146 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,080 - Yes, no, brilliant. - Yes, exactly, yes. 147 00:06:28,159 --> 00:06:29,080 - Yes. - Yep. 148 00:06:29,159 --> 00:06:30,159 Anyway, I spoke to him. 149 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,919 - Right, and? - Well, he... 150 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,400 He's not very pleased, is he, Lucy? 151 00:06:33,479 --> 00:06:34,799 - Er, not really, no. - No. 152 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,640 His thing is, the reason they didn't go with Ryan Chelford on Match of the Day, 153 00:06:37,719 --> 00:06:39,680 they didn't know anything about his private life. 154 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,159 - Yes. - Truth is, he was just no good. 155 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:42,840 - Right. - Yes, apparently he was too dull. 156 00:06:42,919 --> 00:06:44,320 - Yes. - Okay. 157 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,680 - Too dull for Match of the Day? - I know, Neil. 158 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,400 - Jesus! - I'm just telling you what he said. 159 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:50,039 Well, but if that's the case, then at least, 160 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,000 obviously, we'll need to be careful about exactly how we phrase it. 161 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:54,159 Yeah, good luck with that. 162 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,120 But at least on the allegations he's making there, 163 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:57,680 at least we've got a clear answer to them. 164 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:58,719 - Yes. - Brilliant. 165 00:06:58,799 --> 00:07:00,479 - So that's all good, isn't it? - Yes, exactly. 166 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,880 - Hoorah. - Obviously, 167 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,200 I wish I could agree with you, Ian... 168 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:04,400 - Right? - But I'm sorry. 169 00:07:04,479 --> 00:07:07,039 - It's not that simple, is it, Lucy? - Not really, no. 170 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,159 No, I thought it might not be. 171 00:07:08,239 --> 00:07:09,680 - No. - Brilliant. 172 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:14,840 Okay, so this'll be like a really cool new app, like a BBC News Forecast app! 173 00:07:14,919 --> 00:07:16,080 A News Forecast app? 174 00:07:16,159 --> 00:07:17,880 Meanwhile, back in the land of Fun, 175 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,159 the old Perfect Curve BBC account team is having its first meeting 176 00:07:22,239 --> 00:07:24,159 with Fun CEO Jens Schmidt. 177 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,520 So it'd be like the weather forecast, but with like, news, but... 178 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:28,680 - Okay. - Cool. 179 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,239 - No, but... - Okay, no, I get this. 180 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,400 - But this would be in emojis. - Emojis. 181 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:33,479 - Yeah. - Cool. 182 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,680 - We love emojis. So fun. - They're fun, yeah. 183 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,680 The team has been joined by meta-genius Michael Chung 184 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,479 from Fun's New York office. 185 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,640 And they've been invited to come up with ideas for a hello present 186 00:07:43,719 --> 00:07:47,719 from Fun Media to the BBC as one of their most important clients. 187 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,479 Yeah, each day'd be like... 188 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,320 Today, Italy: smiley face! Syria: droopy mouth! 189 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,400 - Okay. - Uh... 190 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:56,560 Maybe Russia'd be like angry face. 191 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,359 - Okay. What else? - Yeah, cool. 192 00:07:58,440 --> 00:07:59,719 - Okay, Coco. - Okay, sure. 193 00:07:59,799 --> 00:08:00,719 - Go. - Okay, 194 00:08:00,799 --> 00:08:03,599 so in the end, what I came up with was BBC Bun Time. 195 00:08:03,679 --> 00:08:05,159 BBC Bun Time? 196 00:08:05,239 --> 00:08:07,960 - 'Cause they’re losing Bake Off, right? - Bummer. 197 00:08:08,039 --> 00:08:09,280 Which is like a national thing. 198 00:08:09,359 --> 00:08:10,840 - We love Mary Berry. - Yeah. 199 00:08:10,919 --> 00:08:12,919 - Yeah, Mary. - Yeah, like with the teeth. 200 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Yeah, so this could be a new thing for her. 201 00:08:14,599 --> 00:08:18,200 Where celebrities, like, create, like, their own version of a BBC Bun. 202 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:19,799 - Holy shit. - Okay. 203 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,080 - No, but then the winning bun that like... - Okay, what else? 204 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,719 - Okay, Karl. - Yep. 205 00:08:26,799 --> 00:08:27,880 What have you got? 206 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,000 - Okay, so this is pretty cool okay? - Cool. 207 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,880 So, like, I'm like, I went for, like, a walk. 208 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,760 Okay, yes. 209 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,400 It's pretty fun. And I'm like, why don't we just give them, like some money? 210 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,120 - Okay. - Like, I don't know how much. 211 00:08:39,439 --> 00:08:40,919 - We give them money? - Yeah. 212 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,079 Yeah, it's pretty cool, yeah. Like, everybody likes... 213 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:44,120 - Michael. - Hey. 214 00:08:44,199 --> 00:08:45,079 Any thoughts? 215 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,160 Sure. How about we build them, like, a really cool new BBC Online Platform? 216 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,000 Kinda like a YouTube channel? Like, it could be like BBC Me. 217 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,600 - BBC Me. - So TV figures are falling right now. 218 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,520 Like, I don't watch TV, like, I don't even have a TV, 219 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,040 like, pretty soon no one's gonna watch TV, 220 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,520 like, it's not even gonna be a thing. 221 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:02,920 So this could be a totally new voice. 222 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,360 Like, people can upload their own content under the BBC brand, 223 00:09:05,439 --> 00:09:07,199 'cause the BBC is owned by the people, right? 224 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,400 So this would be like giving it back to them to play with, 225 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:10,760 which could be totally cool. 226 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:15,360 Okay. 227 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,959 George! 228 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,199 Obviously the danger is 229 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,560 if he's actively excluded from appearing on Match of the Day, 230 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:41,959 that could read as an example of prejudice. 231 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:42,839 - Right. - Prejudice? 232 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:43,959 - Yes. - Against what? 233 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,319 - Well... - Against people who are crap? 234 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:49,319 Meanwhile, back in Renewal, the Ryan Chelford discussion has moved on. 235 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:51,040 ...and ultimately, the LGBT community itself. 236 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,560 - Yes. - Oh right, okay. 237 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:53,640 - Yes, exactly. - Great. 238 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,199 As I say, guys, we are looking at an issue here. 239 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,880 - Yes. - But anyway, in the end, what... 240 00:09:57,959 --> 00:10:01,680 In the circumstances, the BBC's Head of Football, Clive Cook, 241 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,680 has agreed to give him a one-off trial appearance as a pundit 242 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:09,439 on a special midweek FA Cup third round highlights edition of Match of the Day, 243 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,880 which very few people will watch. 244 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:14,120 The idea being that once people see for themselves how bad he actually is, 245 00:10:14,199 --> 00:10:15,800 that could solve the whole problem in one go. 246 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:16,920 - Right, yes. - Brilliant! 247 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,319 - Can't see anything going wrong with that. - Yes, but what he did say to me, Lucy... 248 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,079 Obviously, I don't know what he said to you, 249 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,400 but I don't mind saying I get on pretty well with Clive. 250 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,520 - Right. - I don't take any nonsense from him... 251 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,240 - Hoorah. - and he responds to that well. 252 00:10:28,319 --> 00:10:30,839 - Yes, well, anyway... - Yeah, so what he said to me, 253 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,160 in the circumstances, he thought it would be good 254 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,480 if some of the useless senior management down in London 255 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,040 showed their faces on the night as well. 256 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:38,079 - Right. - Brilliant. 257 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,439 I've gotta say those were his words. 258 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:40,880 - That's the way Clive talks. - Yes. 259 00:10:40,959 --> 00:10:43,319 With the Match of the Day studios located in Salford, 260 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,839 which is itself located somewhere near Manchester, 261 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:46,959 the question now is, 262 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,880 if any of the senior management from London 263 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:51,880 are to be usefully present on the night, which of them should it be? 264 00:10:51,959 --> 00:10:53,800 I mean, Simon, could this be something you want? 265 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:55,760 - Yes, no, an interesting one, isn't it? - Yes. 266 00:10:55,839 --> 00:10:56,920 I dunno how these things work. 267 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,600 I mean, honestly, this is so far off my little patch of scrubby ground... 268 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:00,800 - Right. - But I mean, Lucy... 269 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:01,959 - Yes? - Yes. 270 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,520 I mean, you're so on top of all this inclusivity stuff around this. 271 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:05,760 - Well... - Yes, exactly. 272 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:06,680 'Cause I mean, basically, 273 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,640 it's about making sure everyone feels listened to and loved. 274 00:11:08,719 --> 00:11:09,719 - Well, I don't know about... - Loved? 275 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,280 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Christ. 276 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,400 I mean, I don't mind. I'll go up if anyone thinks it'll do any good, me being there. 277 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,400 - Right. - Brilliant. 278 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,800 - I have to say, It works for me, Lucy. - But I may well be useless... 279 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:18,920 - Oh, now... - Yes. 280 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:20,439 But I'm not sure I really qualify 281 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:21,800 - as senior management. - Well, that's... 282 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,800 - Oh now, pish! - Pash. 283 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,079 No, I'm not being funny or anything, Lucy, but I agree. 284 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,040 - Right. - I gotta say, 285 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,280 I think someone should be up there with you. 286 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:29,280 Right. 287 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,199 I mean, I'd volunteer to go obviously, but I've got my work cut out 288 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,400 making Huw Edwards feel loved down here already. 289 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:38,560 - Right. - Yes, no, very good, Neil. 290 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,280 - Yes, exactly. - No, really well done, you. 291 00:11:42,079 --> 00:11:43,360 What day is it we're talking about? 292 00:11:43,439 --> 00:11:44,680 - It's Tuesday. - Right. 293 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Tuesday evening, yes. 294 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,240 - Tuesday, Tuesday. - Brilliant! 295 00:11:47,319 --> 00:11:50,160 I mean, I'm not sure whether this is my little patch of scrubby ground either. 296 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,199 - No. - But it's important we get this right. 297 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:53,439 Okay, alrighty! 298 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,079 - Brilliant. - Ian and Lucy. 299 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:56,079 - Well... - Hoorah. 300 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,240 - All hail the Manchester Two. - Yeah, good luck. 301 00:11:58,319 --> 00:11:59,760 - Brilliant. - Yes, and the fact is 302 00:11:59,839 --> 00:12:01,040 I think I should be there, too. 303 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,160 - What? - Right. 304 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,199 - Well... - Really? 305 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,959 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Okay! Now we're really rolling. 306 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:07,560 I'm not being funny or anything, Anna, 307 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,040 but we're talking about people feeling loved here. 308 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,199 The fact is this is an opportunity 309 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,520 to put betterness front and centre when it actually matters. 310 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,800 - Brilliant. - What, front and centre in Manchester? 311 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,360 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Right, okay. 312 00:12:17,439 --> 00:12:21,040 - Hurrah. - Well, so, Ian, er, Lucy and Anna! 313 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,360 - All hail. - Long live the Salford three! 314 00:12:23,439 --> 00:12:24,800 - Right. - Right, blimey. 315 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:26,480 Yes, exactly, yes. 316 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:46,480 - Oh, David. - Oh, hi, Izzy, yes. 317 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,439 Look at you, lovely Izalea, in your lovely new coat. 318 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,120 Meanwhile it's a week later, 319 00:12:50,199 --> 00:12:53,800 and development executive Izzy Gould has found herself with an opportunity 320 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,880 to have a moment with commissioning editor primetime factuality David Wilkes 321 00:12:57,959 --> 00:12:59,560 on her way into work. 322 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:00,680 Was just gonna email you. 323 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,439 I've got a meeting with Matt Taverner this afternoon. 324 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,319 - Oh right, have you? - Yes, I know, lovely Matt. 325 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,719 Lots of people don't warm to him, you know, with his glasses and everything, 326 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:08,199 - but you know what? - What's this about, David? 327 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,000 Yes, right. No, 'cause I was chatting to them about On Your Bike the other day. 328 00:13:11,079 --> 00:13:13,520 - On Your Bike? - Oh my God, he absolutely loves it, Izzy. 329 00:13:13,599 --> 00:13:15,199 You talked about On Your Bike to Matt Taverner? 330 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,880 I know and do you know what? He's mad about it. 331 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:18,079 - Right. - Honestly, when I stopped, 332 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,160 he didn't say anything. 333 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,360 He just sat there nodding his head to himself, like he does. 334 00:13:21,439 --> 00:13:22,240 - Right. - Yes. 335 00:13:22,319 --> 00:13:23,599 Sixth floor. 336 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,760 - I mean, that's great, David. - I know! 337 00:13:26,839 --> 00:13:28,760 But I mean, I'm not quite sure how to say this... 338 00:13:28,839 --> 00:13:31,240 Get over it! Just say what you think. Say what's on your mind. 339 00:13:31,319 --> 00:13:33,959 But I mean, On Your Bike, it's not actually your idea. 340 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:35,199 - No. - It's not even my idea. 341 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,040 - It's Will Humphries'. - No, no. Yes, lovely Will. 342 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,439 - Yes. So... - But do you know what? 343 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,640 It's just such a great idea, Izzy. 344 00:13:39,719 --> 00:13:41,040 - Yes. - No, honestly, it is. 345 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,760 - Well, yes! - And it's like I said to Mark, 346 00:13:42,839 --> 00:13:45,280 - Ideas like this don't come very often." - No. 347 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,319 And making sure that you're part of making them happen when they do 348 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,680 is what being commissioning editor of Primetime Factuality’s actually about. 349 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,599 Yes. 350 00:13:59,319 --> 00:14:01,280 Okay, so here's the thing with this. Here's what it is. 351 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,760 No one watches television anymore. 352 00:14:04,839 --> 00:14:05,640 - Well... - No. 353 00:14:05,719 --> 00:14:07,199 I mean, like no one. Okay? Get over it. 354 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:08,480 - Brilliant. - Exactly. 355 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:09,439 - I think that's perhaps... - It's over. 356 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:10,480 a bit of an overstatement. 357 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:12,880 It's not an overstatement. It's an uber-statement, okay? 358 00:14:12,959 --> 00:14:13,839 - What? - Brilliant. 359 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,959 Meanwhile, BBC Head of Branch Siobhan Sharpe has arrived 360 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,599 to present the BBC with a hello present to end all hello presents 361 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,319 from PR giant Fun Media: 362 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,400 the idea of a completely new online platform, BBC Me. 363 00:14:26,479 --> 00:14:28,800 I mean, like television. What is that? I don't even know what that is. 364 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:30,560 - Yes, no, very good. - Yes, exactly, yes. 365 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,280 Against the background of a changing media environment, 366 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:34,640 her mission is nothing less 367 00:14:34,719 --> 00:14:37,800 than to introduce the Renewal group to the ID of the future, 368 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,599 so that everybody knows how it works and where it's coming from, 369 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,280 and will be able both to recognize it and know what to do with it when it arrives. 370 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,360 I mean, I can see where you're going with this, Siobhan. 371 00:14:46,439 --> 00:14:47,560 You so cannot. 372 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,199 But just to inject a note of reality for a moment, 373 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,680 I mean, nearly nine million people are watching Happy Valley at the moment. 374 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:54,800 - Okay. - I mean, okay, 375 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,120 it's not Morecambe and Wise anymore. 376 00:14:56,199 --> 00:14:57,920 Okay, so I don't even know what that is, okay. 377 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,199 No, but still, it's a lot of people, that's all. 378 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,240 Okay, so I'm talking about the future here, right? 379 00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:03,880 - Well... - And you're talking about the past. 380 00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:06,439 - I'm talking about last Wednesday. - Okay, that's exactly my point. 381 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,479 - Okay, that's over, right? - Well, no, but... 382 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,360 So I've got three words for you guys: U... G... and C. 383 00:15:12,439 --> 00:15:13,959 - Right. - I'm sorry, Siobhan. 384 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,760 - So User... - User-generated... 385 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:17,800 - User-generated concept. - Yes, exactly, yes. 386 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,479 Forget any other words, because you're not gonna need them anymore. 387 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,640 Yeah, so coming back to the present for a minute. 388 00:15:22,719 --> 00:15:25,040 - Sure. - Which is where I am most of the time. 389 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,719 - Yes, me too, Neil. - Brilliant. 390 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,400 What would this BBC Me actually look like? 391 00:15:29,479 --> 00:15:30,439 Sure, no, okay. 392 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:31,439 - How would it work? - Okay. 393 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,680 Okay, okay. So, say you're into body image, okay? 394 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:35,800 - Okay. - Body image? 395 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:36,680 - Sure. - Yes, exactly. 396 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,400 I'm not being funny or anything, but I don't think that's gonna work for Neil. 397 00:15:39,479 --> 00:15:41,079 I dunno. You say that, Tracey... 398 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Okay, okay, okay... Say you're into bi-polar, right? 399 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,959 - Into bi-polar? - Sure. 400 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,360 All right, okay, here we go. 401 00:15:46,439 --> 00:15:48,199 Okay, so you've got issues around low self-esteem, whatever. 402 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,680 - Yeah, have I? - Yes. 403 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,520 So you upload stuff to BBC Me... 404 00:15:52,599 --> 00:15:54,520 Bada bing... you've got a voice. 405 00:15:54,599 --> 00:15:55,640 - Right... - Okay? 406 00:15:55,719 --> 00:15:57,400 And it's your voice, okay? 407 00:15:57,479 --> 00:16:00,040 But it's also the voice of the BBC. 408 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,560 - Which is like super cool. - Brilliant. 409 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,439 - Brilliant. - Brilliant. 410 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,959 Pretty soon, you've got a community. 411 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,839 Before you know it, 412 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,640 - you've got a range of memes. - Right, okay. 413 00:16:06,719 --> 00:16:07,880 - Memes? - Oh... 414 00:16:07,959 --> 00:16:10,000 We're in interesting territory here, aren't we? 415 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:11,160 - Are we? - Yes, exactly. 416 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,640 No, glorious, really. 417 00:16:12,719 --> 00:16:14,599 Although it's not a completely new idea, is it? 418 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,959 Okay, it totally is, okay? 419 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,120 What we're talking about here, 420 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:18,760 it's a version of YouTube, isn't it? 421 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,640 - Excuse me? - I mean... 422 00:16:20,719 --> 00:16:22,599 Suddenly, you're like, mainlining 17-year-olds here? 423 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,040 - We're what? - Like, duh! 424 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,479 No, I mean, I have to say, I mean, listen, who knows where any of Tony's buttons are. 425 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,439 - No. - But if anything's gonna push them, 426 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680 - then one has to think that this is it. - Yes, exactly. 427 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,479 - It so is. Tony who? - Tony Hall, Siobhan. 428 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,839 - Sure. - Director General of... 429 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:36,920 No, no, sure, I'm good with that. 430 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,120 Yes, although is it just me? 431 00:16:38,199 --> 00:16:40,920 Or is there an argument for us making content for our audience, 432 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,240 rather than them making content for us? 433 00:16:42,319 --> 00:16:44,000 - Yes. - Okay, okay. 434 00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:46,640 - I've gotta say I agree with you. - Yes, very good, Ian, very strong. 435 00:16:46,719 --> 00:16:49,160 Okay, what part of this are you not getting? 436 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,760 - No, I get it. I just... - Okay, it's over, okay? Over. Period. 437 00:16:52,839 --> 00:16:55,439 - Brilliant. - I mean, it's like goodbye, BBC you guys, 438 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,160 - Hello, BBC Me. - Yes. 439 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,160 - Right. - Great. 440 00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,880 - Yes, no, very good. - Yes, exactly, yes. 441 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,079 Later in the day, it's the afternoon 442 00:17:17,159 --> 00:17:20,240 and assistant-of-some-kind Will Humphries is hard at work. 443 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:24,919 ...takes advantage to fly up to the nest and check on those eggs. 444 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,280 But look at this, Chris. He's quite... 445 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,399 But Izzy Gould has stopped by to see him 446 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,040 on her way to a meeting she's decided she's going to. 447 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,639 - Whoa... - Will? 448 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,120 Oh yeah, hi Izzy. Yeah, hey. 449 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,800 - You busy? - Yeah, pretty busy, yeah. 450 00:17:38,879 --> 00:17:41,040 - Right. - Yes, so like what I'm doing 451 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,040 I have to watch, like, catch up for Ian Fletcher. 452 00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,919 - Right. Catch up. - Yeah, I know, mental. 453 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,960 Like, he's so busy he doesn't have time to watch TV. 454 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,919 I have to watch stuff for him and write, like, a report. 455 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,800 - Right. Interesting. - Yeah, so like today, 456 00:17:50,879 --> 00:17:52,480 - I'm watching Springwatch. - Oh okay, Springwatch. 457 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,000 - Yeah, the otters have died. - Oh, right. Well, that's... 458 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,360 Yeah, no, yeah, it's pretty sad. 459 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,919 Yes, I was actually wondering if you've got a moment? 460 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000 Yeah, no, say again? 461 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,520 I was wondering if you're free. 462 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,800 Yeah, okay, cool. 463 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,200 So I don't know what this is about, okay? 464 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,200 - Okay, cool. - Only found out about it by accident. 465 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,080 - So, it's like what? - Well, it's a meeting. 466 00:18:14,159 --> 00:18:15,440 - Yeah, meeting. - That's all I know. 467 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Yeah, meeting. Yeah, cool. 468 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,919 'Cause the thought I had, and this is just another thought I had about this, Matt, 469 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 is maybe something like, The Great British Bike-Off. 470 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,480 - Sure. - Meanwhile, 471 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,879 David Wilkes is already some way into his meeting 472 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,840 with head of Output Matt Taverner about On Your Bike. 473 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,320 And as usual, he's absolutely full of it. 474 00:18:31,399 --> 00:18:34,200 So, you have different celebrities racing against each other each week. 475 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,679 - Yeah, no, sure. That's great. - But then you have professional judges 476 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,639 - like, er...who's that girl with the... - Hey, guys! 477 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,200 - Hi, Matt. - Yeah, hey, yeah. 478 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Good to see you. 479 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,480 - Hey yeah, good to see you, yeah, cool. - Hi, David. 480 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,520 Hello, lovely. 481 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,480 I told Matt that it'd be good for Will to be here too. 482 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,960 - Yes. - Yeah, I know, sure. 483 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,879 - Since it was actually his idea. - Yes, no, lovely one. 484 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,200 Great, grab a seat, guys, grab a seat. 485 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,360 Matt has called the meeting in order to bring everyone who's coming to it 486 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,639 up to speed with some recent developments that have happened 487 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,520 with the On Your Bike idea. 488 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,879 Great, so, er, so headline is, 489 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,679 I've got a, like a general catch-up with Anna next week. 490 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,800 - Right, yes. - Anna. 491 00:19:05,879 --> 00:19:08,720 What I'm gonna say to her is I think this could have real potential for BBC Me. 492 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,919 - Right. - Okay. 493 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,040 - Whoa. - BBC Me? 494 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:12,159 - Yep, sure. - Do you know what, Matt? 495 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,960 - That's really interesting, Matt. - But BBC Me, 496 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,159 that's, like, that's online, isn't it? 497 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,240 - Sure. - That's gonna be... 498 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,720 like user-generated content? 499 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,360 Yes, it is, Izzy, yes, that's correct. 500 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,240 But how's that gonna work with something like On Your Bike? 501 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280 - Sure. - Which is like the exact opposite of that. 502 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:25,159 No, sure, great, Izzy, yes. 503 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200 - We should maybe talk about that. - Right. 504 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,480 Such is the sudden buzz around the idea of BBC Me 505 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,399 as a possible future for the BBC, 506 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,399 That Matt is keen to have been developing ideas in that area 507 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,679 for as long as possible. 508 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,600 I mean, don't get me wrong, Izzy. I love what you've done. 509 00:19:38,679 --> 00:19:39,800 - Right. - Yes. 510 00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:41,800 - Love where you've taken this idea. - Genius. 511 00:19:41,879 --> 00:19:43,600 - Yeah, me too. - So yes, so what's... 512 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:46,040 - so great about this, originally, anyway... - Sure. 513 00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,360 It's basically such a simple idea. 514 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,919 It's like a reinvention of the classic chat show, 515 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,480 - but, like, on a bike. - No, sure. 516 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,879 - And the really... - Yeah, no, sure, Izzy, it's great. 517 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,520 So I guess what's really exciting about this 518 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,600 is where we might be able to get to with it from here. 519 00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:58,840 - Right, er... - Do you know what, Matt? 520 00:19:58,919 --> 00:20:01,280 - I'm excited listening. I'm excited too. - Sure. 521 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,440 - But I mean... - Hey, guys. 522 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,360 - Jack... - Sorry... Sorry I'm late. 523 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,600 - No, sure. - Just a couple of Anna things 524 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:06,480 I had to sort out. 525 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,760 - Sure. - Lovely Anna. 526 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,679 - Hi. - Hi. 527 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,040 So I asked Jack to look in, 'cause I know you've had some thoughts. 528 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,440 - Yeah, sure. - Right. 529 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,960 - Hello, Will. - Yeah hey, no worries, yeah, cool. 530 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:40,600 - Hi. - Ah, yes. 531 00:20:40,679 --> 00:20:42,080 - Sorry if I'm late. - No, you're not. 532 00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,080 - I'm early for some reason. - Well, here we are. 533 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,280 Yes, here we are, yes. 534 00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,679 - Who'd have thought it? - Yes. 535 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,040 Meanwhile across town, 536 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,399 Lucy and Ian have escaped to Euston Station 537 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,440 to begin a journey that will take them to Manchester, Salford, 538 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,720 and ultimately all the way 539 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,320 to the midweek Match of the Day FA Cup Third Round Highlights Package. 540 00:20:58,399 --> 00:20:59,520 No sign of Anna yet? 541 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,679 - Not yet, no. - Right. 542 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,120 - I don't know where she's coming from. - Well, no, neither do I. 543 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,240 I mean, we've got a bit of time, shall we go and get... 544 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,679 - Oh, here she is. - Oh, right, yes. 545 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,360 - Anna, hi. - Yes, hi, yes. 546 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,720 - Hi, Anna. - Yes. 547 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,200 - Great, so we're all here. - Yes. 548 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,480 Yes, exactly, yes. 549 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,520 I was just asking Lucy, 'cause we've actually got a bit of time, haven't we? 550 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,240 - If she wanted to go and get a coffee? - Yes. 551 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,520 - Yes, exactly, yes. - Right. 552 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,919 I'll have a decaf skinny flat white. 553 00:21:22,399 --> 00:21:23,280 - Right, er... - No, no... 554 00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,159 Not in a cardboard thing. 555 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,679 No, I was actually suggesting us going and getting a coffee together. 556 00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:28,679 - Yes. - If that's something you... 557 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,440 - Yes, exactly. - Right, okay. 558 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,560 - Good. - Yes. 559 00:21:36,679 --> 00:21:38,200 'Cause one of the things at the moment... 560 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,080 Does, does this feel a bit, I dunno, does it feel a bit television? 561 00:21:41,159 --> 00:21:42,560 - Sure. - A bit "television"? 562 00:21:42,639 --> 00:21:44,159 - Yeah. - Yeah, no, sure. 563 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,040 With a sudden bulge of ideas for the new BBC Me, 564 00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,520 part of Jack's job in Betterness Development 565 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,919 involves helping to position ideas like On Your Bike to achieve maximum effect. 566 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,320 I thought, maybe it could be 567 00:21:55,399 --> 00:21:56,840 like loads of different people on different bikes. 568 00:21:56,919 --> 00:21:58,320 Like really fast, maybe a couple words each. 569 00:21:58,399 --> 00:21:59,520 - Sure. - What?! 570 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720 - Oh, my God! - 'Cause basically, what this is, 571 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,800 - uh, it could be a selfie on a bike. - Sure. 572 00:22:04,879 --> 00:22:06,960 - I mean, that's... - Oh my God, stop it, Jack. 573 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,879 And you might wanna talk about the title. 574 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,200 Yeah, no, sure. That's great. 575 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,399 - But, sorry, Matt, but... - Izzy, yeah? 576 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,080 I mean that's like... I don't really know where to start, erm... 577 00:22:13,159 --> 00:22:14,320 Sure. 578 00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:16,439 It's like we're not talking about this anymore now. 579 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,480 - No, sure. - This is not what Will came to me with. 580 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,159 - This is something else. - Yeah, no, sure. Great. 581 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,639 So, I guess the question to think about, 582 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,520 because it feels to me like we're on a journey now with this. 583 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,399 - Right. - Yeah. 584 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,560 - Yes, we are, Matt, yes. - I mean, I don't know, 585 00:22:26,639 --> 00:22:28,280 I'm just putting this out there. Something to think about 586 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,639 - is if that's a journey you wanna go on. - Yes. 587 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080 And whatever you guys decide, okay, I completely get that, okay, 588 00:22:33,159 --> 00:22:34,600 'cause it's absolutely your thing. 589 00:22:35,399 --> 00:22:36,280 Right. 590 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,320 I think Will and I need to talk about this. 591 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,280 - No, sure. - Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 592 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200 ...poor passing. There was no energy about that game. 593 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Made it easier than it should have been for... 594 00:22:57,159 --> 00:22:59,480 - Here he is. - Clive, hi. 595 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,280 - Hi, yes. - Ian Fletcher. 596 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,600 Yeah, hi, Ian, really good to meet you. 597 00:23:02,679 --> 00:23:06,200 Meanwhile, Ian, Lucy and Anna have got to the end of the line, 598 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,320 and have arrived at the Match of the Day studios 599 00:23:08,399 --> 00:23:10,200 in the heart of Manchester's Salford. 600 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 - And you know Anna. - Hello. Yeah, well, we've not met, 601 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,639 - but it's really good to meet you too. - Yes, exactly, yes. 602 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,120 - And Lucy, of course. - Hi. 603 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,159 - Oh, hi Lucy, yes. - Lucy Freeman. 604 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,800 - Yes, good to meet you at last. - Yes, you too. 605 00:23:18,879 --> 00:23:21,360 - Always on the phone and the bloody email. - I know! 606 00:23:21,439 --> 00:23:23,280 - It's great to be able to... - Yes, exactly yes. 607 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,040 As the BBC's Head of Football 608 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,360 and Match of the Day Senior Executive Producer, 609 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,679 Clive Cook is the man responsible 610 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040 for imagining everything that could possibly go wrong 611 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,520 with the BBC's flagship live sports show. 612 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,679 And then we spent the whole evening rehearsing. 613 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,399 Right. So, how's it going? 614 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,080 - How is it going? - Yes, how's it going? 615 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,240 - I mean with Ryan and... - Yes, exactly, with Ryan, yes. 616 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Well, we got through the tech, er, somehow. 617 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,439 - Right. - And I have to say, 618 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,439 we weren't sure how this was gonna go initially, 619 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,439 but I think we're at a point now where we can say with some confidence 620 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,000 - that he isn't actually crap. - Right. 621 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,280 It's just something he's got in him, I think. 622 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,520 - Right, yes. - Right. 623 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,639 Yeah. 624 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000 No, I mean, not a great night for Southampton, 625 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,399 but you know, Norwich came here with a clear intention, 626 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,840 they kept their shape and they worked hard. 627 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:03,679 They had a plan and I guess they stuck to it. 628 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,679 Yeah, you've gotta give them credit for that, Gary, 629 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,679 and in the end, they got the result, 630 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,639 which I'm sure they'd taken before the start of the game. 631 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,520 By 10:35, the waiting is over, and it's time for Match of the Day. 632 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,560 And Ryan, you were less than impressed with some of Southampton's defending. 633 00:24:16,639 --> 00:24:18,200 Yeah, I was, Gary. Yeah, I was. 634 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000 - Right. - Well, for me, they were poor, 635 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,639 and for me, that's unacceptable. 636 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600 And I think you've got some examples that you wanted to highlight. 637 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:27,960 Yeah, I have, yeah. Well, for me, they were poor, Gary, 638 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,760 and for me, when you're poor at this level, 639 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,120 you're gonna end up getting beat. 640 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800 And yes, they got a draw, but I'm sorry, 641 00:24:32,879 --> 00:24:34,480 for me, that's not a win in my book. 642 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360 Er, right. And I know you've been looking in particular 643 00:24:37,439 --> 00:24:39,080 at their defensive shape at the back. 644 00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:42,439 Yeah, I have, yeah. Okay, right, so if you look here... 645 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,040 Oh no, wait, that's, er, there's a bit where if... oh yeah, here we go... Right, so... 646 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,960 You've got your basic diamond, right? 647 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,360 And what happens if, yeah, so Yoshida, he's in the channel on the left... 648 00:24:52,439 --> 00:24:56,439 Or no, on the right. Yeah... But Bertrand's over here, look. 649 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600 Hang on a minute... Yeah, here we go... 650 00:24:58,679 --> 00:25:02,919 He’s in the hole behind Højbjerg, who's gone all the way over here instead. 651 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,679 Now look, where's he going? Look, there he goes, look. 652 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320 Oh no, wait, is that Van Dijk? Yeah. 653 00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:12,679 Whereas Ward-Prowse is basically left trying to make a diamond on his own, 654 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,439 which for me, I'm sorry, he's not gonna do that. 655 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,280 I mean, what is that? It's not even a shape. 656 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,560 It's just like a pointy line. Well, I'm sorry, but for me, 657 00:25:19,639 --> 00:25:22,399 you're not gonna win games at this level with pointy lines, Gary. 658 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600 Right. - I mean, if these were actual cars, right? 659 00:25:24,679 --> 00:25:27,439 This would literally be a car crash, do you know what I'm saying? 660 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,360 It's poor and for me, I'm sorry, that's not acceptable. 661 00:25:30,439 --> 00:25:33,879 Yes. Okay, er, well, three more games still to come tonight 662 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,560 and plenty of football to look forward to at the weekend... 663 00:25:36,639 --> 00:25:40,000 in the Premier League, of course, with third-place Arsenal taking on... 664 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,439 Given where Salford is in relation to anywhere else, 665 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080 it was always going to be too late to get back to London. 666 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,639 - There you go, Mr. Fletcher, 305. - Right. 667 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,919 Would you like help with your luggage? 668 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,199 - No. - 305. 669 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,919 Yes, you're all next to each other actually. 670 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,520 - Right. - If that's gonna be okay for you. 671 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,520 - Yes, I mean that's... - As I say, if you'd like any help with.. 672 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,840 - No. No I don't want that. - Right. 673 00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,840 Okay. Well, enjoy your night with us tonight. 674 00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:05,080 - Yes, exactly. - Yes. 675 00:26:05,159 --> 00:26:06,000 Yes. 676 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,800 Yes, I know he did... 677 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,919 I know he was... 678 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,120 I know it hasn't. 679 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,760 No, I know you're not. 680 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,320 At last, in the unashamedly budget hotel booked by the BBC, 681 00:26:20,399 --> 00:26:23,760 Ian has got a moment at the end of the day to enjoy some quiet nuts 682 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,439 and an uninterrupted phone call from Senior BBC Press Officer Tracey Pritchard, 683 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,399 who has phoned to bring him up to speed with the bad feeling she's got 684 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,480 - about how things have gone. - Yes, I know. 685 00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:36,800 No, I'm sure you haven't. 686 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760 Listen, Tracey, it's quarter to one, 687 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520 let's sleep on it and regroup in... Yes, I know it is. 688 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,360 Yes, okay. 689 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,399 Yes, speak to you in... No, I know it hasn't. 690 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,480 Speak to you in the morning. Okay, bye. 691 00:26:51,199 --> 00:26:52,080 Bye. 692 00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:54,560 - Oh, hi. - Hi. 693 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,639 - Sorry, I don't want to... - No, no. 694 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,080 - If you were... - Er, no, come in. 695 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,439 - I mean, if you are still up. - Yes, well, apparently, I am, yes. 696 00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:03,360 - No, I was just talking to Tracey. - Right, yes. How is she? 697 00:27:03,439 --> 00:27:06,360 Well, apparently, er, Ryan Shelford is now trending on Twitter. 698 00:27:06,439 --> 00:27:07,679 - Yes. - #FootballSexy. 699 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,600 - Yes, I saw that. - Yes, but at the same time, 700 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,520 according to Tracey, the complaints log have received 701 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520 - over 400 calls from football fans. - Right. 702 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,879 Apparently, the highest number of complaints in a single evening 703 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,639 ever recorded in peacetime, or something. 704 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,280 - Really. Oh, dear. - Yes, so anyway. 705 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,760 - So that's all good. - Yes. 706 00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:24,720 - Anyway. - Yes. 707 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,639 - So... - Yes, no, I don't wanna disturb you. 708 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,679 No, that's okay. 709 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,639 - Do you want some vaguely white wine? - Er, well... 710 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,720 I mean, you might as well. I'm never gonna get through all this. 711 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,000 No, it was just... so I got this email earlier. 712 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800 - Right. - I don't know if you got it too? 713 00:27:37,879 --> 00:27:40,439 - Email about what? - Er, well, this... 714 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Oh, right, no, I didn't get this. 715 00:27:44,679 --> 00:27:45,879 Lucy has just found out, 716 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240 that as part of the BBC's new More of Less initiative, 717 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,800 a key part of its preparation for charter renewal, 718 00:27:51,879 --> 00:27:54,600 a new post of Head of Empowerment is to be created, 719 00:27:54,679 --> 00:27:59,159 combining both the existing roles of Head of Diversity and Head of Inclusivity, 720 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,480 which are to be unimagined going forward. 721 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,399 Sorry, when did you get this? 722 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,879 - About an hour ago. - Right. 723 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,159 - So I didn't really feel like sleeping. - No, I mean, do sit down, obviously. 724 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399 - I mean, I don't know what to say. - No, well... 725 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040 Needless to say, this is the first I've heard of it. 726 00:28:14,199 --> 00:28:17,560 - What the hell's that? I'm sorry I don't... - No. 727 00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,879 - Oh... I don't know what... - No... no, yes. 728 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,840 - Anna. - Ah. 729 00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:29,080 - Hi. - Yes, exactly. The fact is I'm not drunk. 730 00:28:29,439 --> 00:28:30,560 No, right. 731 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,600 - Yes, so... - Hi, Anna. 732 00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:34,879 - Yes. - Yes. 61543

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