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Mix through, cue on 2.
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The BBC's announced the appointment
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of the ex-head of Olympic Delivery,
Ian Fletcher, as its new Head of Values.
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Time now for the shipping forecast.
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Superimpose.
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It's Monday morning
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and a new week at the BBC's
new Broadcasting House headquarters
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somewhere in central London,
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as Head of Values, Ian Fletcher,
arrives in order to begin it.
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- Morning!
- Morning.
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- Morning, Will.
- Oh hey, yeah, cool.
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So far at least, on the basis
of all the available evidence,
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it looks as if everything's going
like clockwork.
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Well, first of all, thank you
for making time for this.
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I know how busy things are
at the moment.
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- Yep.
- Yes, they certainly are, Ian, yes.
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By nine o'clock,
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Ian is chairing a special meeting
of the "Way Ahead" group
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in his role as someone whose job it is
to steer the organization confidently
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towards whatever it is
that's going to happen next.
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But I called this meeting
because I think we're at a critical moment
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in the life of this group
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and who knows, maybe even
in the life of the corporation.
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- Hoorah.
- This is the year
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in which the BBC's Royal Charter
is up for renewal.
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Of course we know there are
some tough choices coming our way.
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- Brilliant.
- Yes, exactly.
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Which is what the "More Of Less"
initiative is about, of course.
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- Mm-hmm. Yep.
- Yep.
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The fact is this is about identifying
what we do best
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and finding more ways
of doing less of it better.
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- Yes.
- Brilliant.
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Yeah, bollocks.
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The charter renewal process
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gives the BBC an opportunity to question
everything it does and ask the question,
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whether there's any point to any of it
at all anymore?
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And with all that in mind,
my suggestion is that as from today,
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this becomes a "Renewal" group,
rather than "Way Ahead".
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- All right, okay.
- Yes, good.
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- Hallelujah.
- Well, no.
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- Renewal.
- Now, honestly.
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- Amen.
- It just focuses the mind, that's all.
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Now I'm sorry, Ian...
that is just...
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I mean, I feel like opening the window
and shouting down Regent Street.
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- No, well, please don't.
- No, Christ's sake.
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Really, it's about resetting the dial
for everyone in the building
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and shining a new light on that dial,
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or at least shining the old light,
but with a new bulb,
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so none of us can be
in any doubt where the dial is,
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or can have any excuse
for not being able to read what it says.
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- Yeah.
- Brilliant.
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- Blimey.
- We got that?
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- Got that?
- Yep.
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- Yep.
- Joyous.
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Right, okay.
So that's my big speech over.
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Oh, shame!
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Okay, everybody,
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so, welcome to Fun. Exciting day.
Exciting time.
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Meanwhile across town,
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in the world
of what used to be Perfect Curve,
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momentous and very different events
are unfolding.
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Today I introduce Siobhan Sharpe
as our new joint CEO and partner in Fun.
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Yay!
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Perfect Curve has been bought
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by Dutch-owned multi-national media giant,
Fun Media.
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And today,
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chairman and founder Jens Schmidt
has flown in to usher in the future.
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- I know Siobhan has stuff she's gonna say.
- Yay!
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- But first, I'm gonna say a bit about Fun.
- Yay!
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So the philosophy of Fun is that
everybody in this building is happy.
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This is a happy building.
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Because a happy person
is a creative person,
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and a creative
person is a happy person.
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- So that's Fun.
- We love fun.
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And you are all Fun people. You have
good ideas, that’s why you're here.
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When something good happens,
we should recognize this.
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We should be happy,
so what we do at Fun...
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George is ready at any time,
that's why he's here.
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Time out, a few minutes.
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- Silent disco, we dance.
- Cool.
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- So a lot of people...
- ♪ Gold ♪
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-♪ Always believe in your soul... ♪
- Yep...
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- ♪ You're indestructible... ♪
- Okay...
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- ♪ Always believing... ♪
- Okay, so we save this, okay?
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- Excuse me?
- We maybe save this for later, huh?
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- Okay, so we save it, guys, okay?
- Yeah.
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- Save it maybe for later?
- Okay...
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- Thanks.
- Mm.
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So a lot of people say
there's more to life than Fun.
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- Sure.
- But here we don't agree with that.
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Nah-uh, no way.
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You come in through the door
of this building, okay?
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- Sure.
- Fun is your life and your life...
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- Sure.
- Your life is Fun. Yes?
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Sure. Okay?
So lots of Fun here, guys, okay?
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Like a black pair of skinny jeans,
do you know what I mean? Keep it simple.
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Back over
at New Broadcasting House,
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the newly formed Renewal group is already
facing its first-ever live challenge.
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This one I like quite a lot.
I like the cut on this.
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For me, what this says, it's understated,
you know what I'm saying?
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A Channel 4 documentary
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about ex-Premier League footballer
Ryan Chelford,
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in which he talks openly
for the first time
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about his life as a keen cross-dresser,
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has thrown up some sensitive issues
for the BBC.
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Now this one...
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I've had some times in this, I have.
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If this was a car, right,
for me, this would be a Ferrari.
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You put this on, something's gonna happen,
you know what I'm saying?
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The documentary includes allegations
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that the BBC rejected Ryan
as a pundit
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for its flagship football show
Match of the Day,
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because they were already aware
of his very personal other life.
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I went for, like, this audition, right?
I went to Manchester.
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Like I saw Alan Shearer in the car park.
He didn't speak to me.
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He was on his phone, getting out
of his Audi fuckin' A8,
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do you know what I'm saying?
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So I'm sat in the Match of the Day studio
and everything.
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There's me and they had these guys
like pretend Linekers and that sittin' in.
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And they play in this clip of like,
Stoke v Swansea, whatever.
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So, like, Peter Crouch is in the box.
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And I'm like, okay,
he's pulled off his man at the back post.
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It's a decent header
off of a quality cross, I admit that.
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But albeit the Swansea defence
has totally switched off.
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I'm sorry, but for me
the guy's like eight foot tall.
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It's not rocket science.
Do you know what I'm saying?
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Anyway, so I did that.
Never heard from them again. Not a wor...
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- Right, okay.
- Right.
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I think that will do for the moment.
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- Yes.
- Brilliant.
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- Brilliant.
- Brilliant.
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What I can say, guys, is that we are
starting to take heavy incoming on this
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- in the press office already.
- Well, yes.
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Gah, no!
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I mean, the issues
are potentially pretty serious.
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- Yes.
- Yes, they are, Ian, yes.
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Yes, no, especially,
for inclusivity, of course, Lucy.
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- Well, yes.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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- Honestly, no, bad luck.
- So I spoke to Clive Cook this morning.
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- Oh, right.
- Yes, me too, Lucy.
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- Oh, right.
- Clive?
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- Clive Cook.
- Clive Cook.
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Oh yes, Clive Cook.
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- BBC Head of Football.
- Head of BBC Football.
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- Yes, no, brilliant.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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- Yes.
- Yep.
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Anyway, I spoke to him.
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- Right, and?
- Well, he...
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He's not very pleased, is he, Lucy?
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- Er, not really, no.
- No.
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His thing is, the reason they didn't go
with Ryan Chelford on Match of the Day,
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they didn't know anything
about his private life.
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- Yes.
- Truth is, he was just no good.
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- Right.
- Yes, apparently he was too dull.
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- Yes.
- Okay.
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- Too dull for Match of the Day?
- I know, Neil.
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- Jesus!
- I'm just telling you what he said.
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Well, but if that's the case,
then at least,
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obviously, we'll need to be careful
about exactly how we phrase it.
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Yeah, good luck with that.
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But at least on the allegations
he's making there,
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at least we've got
a clear answer to them.
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- Yes.
- Brilliant.
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- So that's all good, isn't it?
- Yes, exactly.
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- Hoorah.
- Obviously,
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I wish I could agree with you, Ian...
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- Right?
- But I'm sorry.
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- It's not that simple, is it, Lucy?
- Not really, no.
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No, I thought it might not be.
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- No.
- Brilliant.
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Okay, so this'll be like a really cool
new app, like a BBC News Forecast app!
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A News Forecast app?
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Meanwhile, back in the land of Fun,
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the old Perfect Curve BBC account team
is having its first meeting
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with Fun CEO Jens Schmidt.
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So it'd be like the weather forecast,
but with like, news, but...
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- Okay.
- Cool.
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- No, but...
- Okay, no, I get this.
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- But this would be in emojis.
- Emojis.
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- Yeah.
- Cool.
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- We love emojis. So fun.
- They're fun, yeah.
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The team has been joined
by meta-genius Michael Chung
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from Fun's New York office.
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And they've been invited to come up
with ideas for a hello present
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from Fun Media to the BBC
as one of their most important clients.
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Yeah, each day'd be like...
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Today, Italy: smiley face!
Syria: droopy mouth!
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- Okay.
- Uh...
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Maybe Russia'd be like angry face.
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- Okay. What else?
- Yeah, cool.
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- Okay, Coco.
- Okay, sure.
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- Go.
- Okay,
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so in the end,
what I came up with was BBC Bun Time.
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BBC Bun Time?
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- 'Cause they’re losing Bake Off, right?
- Bummer.
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Which is like a national thing.
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- We love Mary Berry.
- Yeah.
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- Yeah, Mary.
- Yeah, like with the teeth.
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Yeah, so this could be
a new thing for her.
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Where celebrities, like, create,
like, their own version of a BBC Bun.
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- Holy shit.
- Okay.
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- No, but then the winning bun that like...
- Okay, what else?
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- Okay, Karl.
- Yep.
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What have you got?
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- Okay, so this is pretty cool okay?
- Cool.
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So, like, I'm like, I went for,
like, a walk.
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Okay, yes.
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It's pretty fun. And I'm like, why don't
we just give them, like some money?
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- Okay.
- Like, I don't know how much.
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- We give them money?
- Yeah.
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Yeah, it's pretty cool, yeah.
Like, everybody likes...
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- Michael.
- Hey.
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Any thoughts?
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Sure. How about we build them, like,
a really cool new BBC Online Platform?
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Kinda like a YouTube channel?
Like, it could be like BBC Me.
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- BBC Me.
- So TV figures are falling right now.
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Like, I don't watch TV,
like, I don't even have a TV,
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like, pretty soon
no one's gonna watch TV,
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like, it's not even gonna be a thing.
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So this could be a totally new voice.
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Like, people can upload their own content
under the BBC brand,
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'cause the BBC is owned
by the people, right?
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So this would be like
giving it back to them to play with,
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which could be totally cool.
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Okay.
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George!
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Obviously the danger is
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if he's actively excluded from appearing
on Match of the Day,
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that could read
as an example of prejudice.
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- Right.
- Prejudice?
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- Yes.
- Against what?
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- Well...
- Against people who are crap?
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Meanwhile, back in Renewal,
the Ryan Chelford discussion has moved on.
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...and ultimately,
the LGBT community itself.
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- Yes.
- Oh right, okay.
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- Yes, exactly.
- Great.
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As I say, guys,
we are looking at an issue here.
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- Yes.
- But anyway, in the end, what...
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In the circumstances,
the BBC's Head of Football, Clive Cook,
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has agreed to give him
a one-off trial appearance as a pundit
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on a special midweek FA Cup third round
highlights edition of Match of the Day,
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which very few people will watch.
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The idea being that once people see
for themselves how bad he actually is,
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that could solve
the whole problem in one go.
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- Right, yes.
- Brilliant!
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- Can't see anything going wrong with that.
- Yes, but what he did say to me, Lucy...
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Obviously, I don't know
what he said to you,
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but I don't mind saying I get on
pretty well with Clive.
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- Right.
- I don't take any nonsense from him...
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- Hoorah.
- and he responds to that well.
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- Yes, well, anyway...
- Yeah, so what he said to me,
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in the circumstances,
he thought it would be good
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if some of the useless senior management
down in London
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showed their faces
on the night as well.
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- Right.
- Brilliant.
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I've gotta say those were his words.
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- That's the way Clive talks.
- Yes.
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With the Match of the Day
studios located in Salford,
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which is itself located
somewhere near Manchester,
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the question now is,
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if any
of the senior management from London
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are to be usefully present on the night,
which of them should it be?
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I mean, Simon,
could this be something you want?
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- Yes, no, an interesting one, isn't it?
- Yes.
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I dunno how these things work.
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I mean, honestly, this is so far off
my little patch of scrubby ground...
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- Right.
- But I mean, Lucy...
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- Yes?
- Yes.
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I mean, you're so on top
of all this inclusivity stuff around this.
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- Well...
- Yes, exactly.
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'Cause I mean, basically,
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it's about making sure
everyone feels listened to and loved.
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- Well, I don't know about...
- Loved?
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- Yes, exactly, yes.
- Christ.
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I mean, I don't mind. I'll go up if anyone
thinks it'll do any good, me being there.
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- Right.
- Brilliant.
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- I have to say, It works for me, Lucy.
- But I may well be useless...
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- Oh, now...
- Yes.
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But I'm not sure I really qualify
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- as senior management.
- Well, that's...
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- Oh now, pish!
- Pash.
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No, I'm not being funny or anything, Lucy,
but I agree.
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- Right.
- I gotta say,
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I think
someone should be up there with you.
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Right.
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I mean, I'd volunteer to go obviously,
but I've got my work cut out
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making Huw Edwards
feel loved down here already.
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- Right.
- Yes, no, very good, Neil.
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- Yes, exactly.
- No, really well done, you.
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What day is it we're talking about?
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- It's Tuesday.
- Right.
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Tuesday evening, yes.
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- Tuesday, Tuesday.
- Brilliant!
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I mean, I'm not sure whether this is
my little patch of scrubby ground either.
296
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- No.
- But it's important we get this right.
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Okay, alrighty!
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- Brilliant.
- Ian and Lucy.
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- Well...
- Hoorah.
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- All hail the Manchester Two.
- Yeah, good luck.
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- Brilliant.
- Yes, and the fact is
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I think I should be there, too.
303
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- What?
- Right.
304
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- Well...
- Really?
305
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- Yes, exactly, yes.
- Okay! Now we're really rolling.
306
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I'm not being funny or anything, Anna,
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but we're talking
about people feeling loved here.
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The fact is this is an opportunity
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to put betterness front and centre
when it actually matters.
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- Brilliant.
- What, front and centre in Manchester?
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- Yes, exactly, yes.
- Right, okay.
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- Hurrah.
- Well, so, Ian, er, Lucy and Anna!
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- All hail.
- Long live the Salford three!
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- Right.
- Right, blimey.
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Yes, exactly, yes.
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- Oh, David.
- Oh, hi, Izzy, yes.
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Look at you, lovely Izalea,
in your lovely new coat.
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Meanwhile it's a week later,
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and development executive Izzy Gould
has found herself with an opportunity
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to have a moment with commissioning editor
primetime factuality David Wilkes
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on her way into work.
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Was just gonna email you.
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I've got a meeting
with Matt Taverner this afternoon.
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- Oh right, have you?
- Yes, I know, lovely Matt.
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Lots of people don't warm to him,
you know, with his glasses and everything,
326
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- but you know what?
- What's this about, David?
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Yes, right. No, 'cause I was chatting
to them about On Your Bike the other day.
328
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- On Your Bike?
- Oh my God, he absolutely loves it, Izzy.
329
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You talked about On Your Bike
to Matt Taverner?
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I know and do you know what?
He's mad about it.
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- Right.
- Honestly, when I stopped,
332
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he didn't say anything.
333
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He just sat there nodding his head
to himself, like he does.
334
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- Right.
- Yes.
335
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Sixth floor.
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- I mean, that's great, David.
- I know!
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But I mean,
I'm not quite sure how to say this...
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Get over it! Just say what you think.
Say what's on your mind.
339
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But I mean, On Your Bike,
it's not actually your idea.
340
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- No.
- It's not even my idea.
341
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- It's Will Humphries'.
- No, no. Yes, lovely Will.
342
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- Yes. So...
- But do you know what?
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It's just such a great idea, Izzy.
344
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- Yes.
- No, honestly, it is.
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- Well, yes!
- And it's like I said to Mark,
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- Ideas like this don't come very often."
- No.
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And making sure that you're part
of making them happen when they do
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is what being commissioning editor
of Primetime Factuality’s actually about.
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Yes.
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Okay, so here's the thing
with this. Here's what it is.
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No one watches television anymore.
352
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- Well...
- No.
353
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I mean, like no one. Okay?
Get over it.
354
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- Brilliant.
- Exactly.
355
00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:09,439
- I think that's perhaps...
- It's over.
356
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a bit of an overstatement.
357
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It's not an overstatement.
It's an uber-statement, okay?
358
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- What?
- Brilliant.
359
00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,959
Meanwhile, BBC Head of Branch
Siobhan Sharpe has arrived
360
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to present the BBC with a hello present
to end all hello presents
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from PR giant Fun Media:
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the idea of
a completely new online platform, BBC Me.
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I mean, like television. What is that?
I don't even know what that is.
364
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- Yes, no, very good.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
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Against the background
of a changing media environment,
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her mission is nothing less
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than to introduce the Renewal group
to the ID of the future,
368
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so that everybody knows
how it works and where it's coming from,
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and will be able both to recognize it and
know what to do with it when it arrives.
370
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I mean, I can see
where you're going with this, Siobhan.
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You so cannot.
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But just to inject
a note of reality for a moment,
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I mean, nearly nine million people
are watching Happy Valley at the moment.
374
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- Okay.
- I mean, okay,
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it's not Morecambe and Wise anymore.
376
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Okay, so I don't even know
what that is, okay.
377
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,199
No, but still,
it's a lot of people, that's all.
378
00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,240
Okay, so I'm talking
about the future here, right?
379
00:15:02,319 --> 00:15:03,880
- Well...
- And you're talking about the past.
380
00:15:03,959 --> 00:15:06,439
- I'm talking about last Wednesday.
- Okay, that's exactly my point.
381
00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,479
- Okay, that's over, right?
- Well, no, but...
382
00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,360
So I've got three words for you guys:
U... G... and C.
383
00:15:12,439 --> 00:15:13,959
- Right.
- I'm sorry, Siobhan.
384
00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:15,760
- So User...
- User-generated...
385
00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:17,800
- User-generated concept.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
386
00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,479
Forget any other words, because
you're not gonna need them anymore.
387
00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,640
Yeah, so coming back
to the present for a minute.
388
00:15:22,719 --> 00:15:25,040
- Sure.
- Which is where I am most of the time.
389
00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,719
- Yes, me too, Neil.
- Brilliant.
390
00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,400
What would this BBC Me actually look like?
391
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Sure, no, okay.
392
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- How would it work?
- Okay.
393
00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,680
Okay, okay.
So, say you're into body image, okay?
394
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- Okay.
- Body image?
395
00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:36,680
- Sure.
- Yes, exactly.
396
00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,400
I'm not being funny or anything, but
I don't think that's gonna work for Neil.
397
00:15:39,479 --> 00:15:41,079
I dunno.
You say that, Tracey...
398
00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,280
Okay, okay, okay...
Say you're into bi-polar, right?
399
00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,959
- Into bi-polar?
- Sure.
400
00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,360
All right, okay, here we go.
401
00:15:46,439 --> 00:15:48,199
Okay, so you've got issues
around low self-esteem, whatever.
402
00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,680
- Yeah, have I?
- Yes.
403
00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,520
So you upload stuff to BBC Me...
404
00:15:52,599 --> 00:15:54,520
Bada bing... you've got a voice.
405
00:15:54,599 --> 00:15:55,640
- Right...
- Okay?
406
00:15:55,719 --> 00:15:57,400
And it's your voice, okay?
407
00:15:57,479 --> 00:16:00,040
But it's also the voice of the BBC.
408
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,560
- Which is like super cool.
- Brilliant.
409
00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:02,439
- Brilliant.
- Brilliant.
410
00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,959
Pretty soon, you've got a community.
411
00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:04,839
Before you know it,
412
00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,640
- you've got a range of memes.
- Right, okay.
413
00:16:06,719 --> 00:16:07,880
- Memes?
- Oh...
414
00:16:07,959 --> 00:16:10,000
We're in interesting territory here,
aren't we?
415
00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:11,160
- Are we?
- Yes, exactly.
416
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,640
No, glorious, really.
417
00:16:12,719 --> 00:16:14,599
Although it's not a completely new idea,
is it?
418
00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:15,959
Okay, it totally is, okay?
419
00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:17,120
What we're talking about here,
420
00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:18,760
it's a version
of YouTube, isn't it?
421
00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:20,640
- Excuse me?
- I mean...
422
00:16:20,719 --> 00:16:22,599
Suddenly, you're like,
mainlining 17-year-olds here?
423
00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,040
- We're what?
- Like, duh!
424
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,479
No, I mean, I have to say, I mean, listen,
who knows where any of Tony's buttons are.
425
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,439
- No.
- But if anything's gonna push them,
426
00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,680
- then one has to think that this is it.
- Yes, exactly.
427
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,479
- It so is. Tony who?
- Tony Hall, Siobhan.
428
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:35,839
- Sure.
- Director General of...
429
00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:36,920
No, no, sure,
I'm good with that.
430
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,120
Yes, although is it just me?
431
00:16:38,199 --> 00:16:40,920
Or is there an argument for us
making content for our audience,
432
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,240
rather than them making content
for us?
433
00:16:42,319 --> 00:16:44,000
- Yes.
- Okay, okay.
434
00:16:44,079 --> 00:16:46,640
- I've gotta say I agree with you.
- Yes, very good, Ian, very strong.
435
00:16:46,719 --> 00:16:49,160
Okay, what part of this
are you not getting?
436
00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,760
- No, I get it. I just...
- Okay, it's over, okay? Over. Period.
437
00:16:52,839 --> 00:16:55,439
- Brilliant.
- I mean, it's like goodbye, BBC you guys,
438
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,160
- Hello, BBC Me.
- Yes.
439
00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:58,160
- Right.
- Great.
440
00:16:58,240 --> 00:16:59,880
- Yes, no, very good.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
441
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,079
Later in the day, it's the afternoon
442
00:17:17,159 --> 00:17:20,240
and assistant-of-some-kind Will Humphries
is hard at work.
443
00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:24,919
...takes advantage to fly
up to the nest and check on those eggs.
444
00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,280
But look at this, Chris. He's quite...
445
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,399
But Izzy Gould
has stopped by to see him
446
00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,040
on her way to a meeting
she's decided she's going to.
447
00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,639
- Whoa...
- Will?
448
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,120
Oh yeah, hi Izzy. Yeah, hey.
449
00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,800
- You busy?
- Yeah, pretty busy, yeah.
450
00:17:38,879 --> 00:17:41,040
- Right.
- Yes, so like what I'm doing
451
00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,040
I have to watch, like,
catch up for Ian Fletcher.
452
00:17:43,120 --> 00:17:44,919
- Right. Catch up.
- Yeah, I know, mental.
453
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,960
Like, he's so busy
he doesn't have time to watch TV.
454
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,919
I have to watch stuff for him
and write, like, a report.
455
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,800
- Right. Interesting.
- Yeah, so like today,
456
00:17:50,879 --> 00:17:52,480
- I'm watching Springwatch.
- Oh okay, Springwatch.
457
00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:56,000
- Yeah, the otters have died.
- Oh, right. Well, that's...
458
00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,360
Yeah, no, yeah, it's pretty sad.
459
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,919
Yes, I was actually wondering
if you've got a moment?
460
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:02,000
Yeah, no, say again?
461
00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,520
I was wondering if you're free.
462
00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,800
Yeah, okay, cool.
463
00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,200
So I don't know
what this is about, okay?
464
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,200
- Okay, cool.
- Only found out about it by accident.
465
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,080
- So, it's like what?
- Well, it's a meeting.
466
00:18:14,159 --> 00:18:15,440
- Yeah, meeting.
- That's all I know.
467
00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,480
Yeah, meeting. Yeah, cool.
468
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,919
'Cause the thought I had, and this is just
another thought I had about this, Matt,
469
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480
is maybe something like,
The Great British Bike-Off.
470
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,480
- Sure.
- Meanwhile,
471
00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,879
David Wilkes
is already some way into his meeting
472
00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,840
with head of Output Matt Taverner
about On Your Bike.
473
00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:31,320
And as usual, he's absolutely full of it.
474
00:18:31,399 --> 00:18:34,200
So, you have different celebrities racing
against each other each week.
475
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,679
- Yeah, no, sure. That's great.
- But then you have professional judges
476
00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,639
- like, er...who's that girl with the...
- Hey, guys!
477
00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,200
- Hi, Matt.
- Yeah, hey, yeah.
478
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:41,080
Good to see you.
479
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,480
- Hey yeah, good to see you, yeah, cool.
- Hi, David.
480
00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:44,520
Hello, lovely.
481
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:46,480
I told Matt that it'd be good
for Will to be here too.
482
00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:47,960
- Yes.
- Yeah, I know, sure.
483
00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,879
- Since it was actually his idea.
- Yes, no, lovely one.
484
00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,200
Great, grab a seat, guys, grab a seat.
485
00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,360
Matt has called the meeting in
order to bring everyone who's coming to it
486
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,639
up to speed with some recent developments
that have happened
487
00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,520
with the On Your Bike idea.
488
00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,879
Great, so, er, so headline is,
489
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,679
I've got a, like a general catch-up
with Anna next week.
490
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:05,800
- Right, yes.
- Anna.
491
00:19:05,879 --> 00:19:08,720
What I'm gonna say to her is I think
this could have real potential for BBC Me.
492
00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,919
- Right.
- Okay.
493
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,040
- Whoa.
- BBC Me?
494
00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:12,159
- Yep, sure.
- Do you know what, Matt?
495
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,960
- That's really interesting, Matt.
- But BBC Me,
496
00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,159
that's, like, that's online, isn't it?
497
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,240
- Sure.
- That's gonna be...
498
00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,720
like user-generated content?
499
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,360
Yes, it is, Izzy, yes, that's correct.
500
00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,240
But how's that gonna work
with something like On Your Bike?
501
00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,280
- Sure.
- Which is like the exact opposite of that.
502
00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:25,159
No, sure, great, Izzy, yes.
503
00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,200
- We should maybe talk about that.
- Right.
504
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,480
Such is the sudden buzz
around the idea of BBC Me
505
00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,399
as a possible future for the BBC,
506
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,399
That Matt is keen to have been developing
ideas in that area
507
00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,679
for as long as possible.
508
00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,600
I mean, don't get me wrong, Izzy.
I love what you've done.
509
00:19:38,679 --> 00:19:39,800
- Right.
- Yes.
510
00:19:39,879 --> 00:19:41,800
- Love where you've taken this idea.
- Genius.
511
00:19:41,879 --> 00:19:43,600
- Yeah, me too.
- So yes, so what's...
512
00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:46,040
- so great about this, originally, anyway...
- Sure.
513
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:48,360
It's basically such a simple idea.
514
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,919
It's like a reinvention
of the classic chat show,
515
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,480
- but, like, on a bike.
- No, sure.
516
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,879
- And the really...
- Yeah, no, sure, Izzy, it's great.
517
00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,520
So I guess
what's really exciting about this
518
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,600
is where we might be able
to get to with it from here.
519
00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:58,840
- Right, er...
- Do you know what, Matt?
520
00:19:58,919 --> 00:20:01,280
- I'm excited listening. I'm excited too.
- Sure.
521
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,440
- But I mean...
- Hey, guys.
522
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,360
- Jack...
- Sorry... Sorry I'm late.
523
00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,600
- No, sure.
- Just a couple of Anna things
524
00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:06,480
I had to sort out.
525
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,760
- Sure.
- Lovely Anna.
526
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,679
- Hi.
- Hi.
527
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,040
So I asked Jack to look in, 'cause I know
you've had some thoughts.
528
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:14,440
- Yeah, sure.
- Right.
529
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,960
- Hello, Will.
- Yeah hey, no worries, yeah, cool.
530
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:40,600
- Hi.
- Ah, yes.
531
00:20:40,679 --> 00:20:42,080
- Sorry if I'm late.
- No, you're not.
532
00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,080
- I'm early for some reason.
- Well, here we are.
533
00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,280
Yes, here we are, yes.
534
00:20:45,360 --> 00:20:46,679
- Who'd have thought it?
- Yes.
535
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,040
Meanwhile across town,
536
00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:50,399
Lucy and Ian
have escaped to Euston Station
537
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,440
to begin a journey that will take them
to Manchester, Salford,
538
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:54,720
and ultimately all the way
539
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,320
to the midweek Match of the Day FA Cup
Third Round Highlights Package.
540
00:20:58,399 --> 00:20:59,520
No sign of Anna yet?
541
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:00,679
- Not yet, no.
- Right.
542
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,120
- I don't know where she's coming from.
- Well, no, neither do I.
543
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,240
I mean, we've got a bit of time,
shall we go and get...
544
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,679
- Oh, here she is.
- Oh, right, yes.
545
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,360
- Anna, hi.
- Yes, hi, yes.
546
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,720
- Hi, Anna.
- Yes.
547
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,200
- Great, so we're all here.
- Yes.
548
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,480
Yes, exactly, yes.
549
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,520
I was just asking Lucy, 'cause we've
actually got a bit of time, haven't we?
550
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,240
- If she wanted to go and get a coffee?
- Yes.
551
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,520
- Yes, exactly, yes.
- Right.
552
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:21,919
I'll have a decaf skinny flat white.
553
00:21:22,399 --> 00:21:23,280
- Right, er...
- No, no...
554
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:24,159
Not in a cardboard thing.
555
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,679
No, I was actually suggesting us going
and getting a coffee together.
556
00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:28,679
- Yes.
- If that's something you...
557
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:30,440
- Yes, exactly.
- Right, okay.
558
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:31,560
- Good.
- Yes.
559
00:21:36,679 --> 00:21:38,200
'Cause one of the things
at the moment...
560
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,080
Does, does this feel a bit,
I dunno, does it feel a bit television?
561
00:21:41,159 --> 00:21:42,560
- Sure.
- A bit "television"?
562
00:21:42,639 --> 00:21:44,159
- Yeah.
- Yeah, no, sure.
563
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,040
With a sudden bulge of ideas
for the new BBC Me,
564
00:21:47,120 --> 00:21:49,520
part of Jack's job
in Betterness Development
565
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,919
involves helping to position ideas like
On Your Bike to achieve maximum effect.
566
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,320
I thought,
maybe it could be
567
00:21:55,399 --> 00:21:56,840
like loads
of different people on different bikes.
568
00:21:56,919 --> 00:21:58,320
Like really fast,
maybe a couple words each.
569
00:21:58,399 --> 00:21:59,520
- Sure.
- What?!
570
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,720
- Oh, my God!
- 'Cause basically, what this is,
571
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,800
- uh, it could be a selfie on a bike.
- Sure.
572
00:22:04,879 --> 00:22:06,960
- I mean, that's...
- Oh my God, stop it, Jack.
573
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,879
And you might wanna talk
about the title.
574
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,200
Yeah, no, sure. That's great.
575
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,399
- But, sorry, Matt, but...
- Izzy, yeah?
576
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,080
I mean that's like...
I don't really know where to start, erm...
577
00:22:13,159 --> 00:22:14,320
Sure.
578
00:22:14,399 --> 00:22:16,439
It's like we're not talking
about this anymore now.
579
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,480
- No, sure.
- This is not what Will came to me with.
580
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,159
- This is something else.
- Yeah, no, sure. Great.
581
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,639
So, I guess the question to think about,
582
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,520
because it feels to me
like we're on a journey now with this.
583
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,399
- Right.
- Yeah.
584
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,560
- Yes, we are, Matt, yes.
- I mean, I don't know,
585
00:22:26,639 --> 00:22:28,280
I'm just putting this out there.
Something to think about
586
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,639
- is if that's a journey you wanna go on.
- Yes.
587
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,080
And whatever you guys decide, okay,
I completely get that, okay,
588
00:22:33,159 --> 00:22:34,600
'cause it's absolutely your thing.
589
00:22:35,399 --> 00:22:36,280
Right.
590
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,320
I think Will and I
need to talk about this.
591
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,280
- No, sure.
- Yeah, no worries, yeah, cool.
592
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,200
...poor passing.
There was no energy about that game.
593
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,080
Made it easier
than it should have been for...
594
00:22:57,159 --> 00:22:59,480
- Here he is.
- Clive, hi.
595
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,280
- Hi, yes.
- Ian Fletcher.
596
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,600
Yeah, hi, Ian, really good to meet you.
597
00:23:02,679 --> 00:23:06,200
Meanwhile, Ian, Lucy and Anna
have got to the end of the line,
598
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,320
and have arrived
at the Match of the Day studios
599
00:23:08,399 --> 00:23:10,200
in the heart
of Manchester's Salford.
600
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240
- And you know Anna.
- Hello. Yeah, well, we've not met,
601
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,639
- but it's really good to meet you too.
- Yes, exactly, yes.
602
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:15,120
- And Lucy, of course.
- Hi.
603
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,159
- Oh, hi Lucy, yes.
- Lucy Freeman.
604
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,800
- Yes, good to meet you at last.
- Yes, you too.
605
00:23:18,879 --> 00:23:21,360
- Always on the phone and the bloody email.
- I know!
606
00:23:21,439 --> 00:23:23,280
- It's great to be able to...
- Yes, exactly yes.
607
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,040
As the BBC's Head of Football
608
00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:27,360
and Match of the Day
Senior Executive Producer,
609
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,679
Clive Cook is the man responsible
610
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040
for imagining everything
that could possibly go wrong
611
00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,520
with the BBC's flagship live sports show.
612
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,679
And then we spent the whole evening rehearsing.
613
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Right. So, how's it going?
614
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,080
- How is it going?
- Yes, how's it going?
615
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,240
- I mean with Ryan and...
- Yes, exactly, with Ryan, yes.
616
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000
Well, we got through the tech,
er, somehow.
617
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,439
- Right.
- And I have to say,
618
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,439
we weren't sure how
this was gonna go initially,
619
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,439
but I think we're at a point now
where we can say with some confidence
620
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,000
- that he isn't actually crap.
- Right.
621
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,280
It's just something
he's got in him, I think.
622
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,520
- Right, yes.
- Right.
623
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:55,639
Yeah.
624
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,000
No, I mean,
not a great night for Southampton,
625
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,399
but you know,
Norwich came here with a clear intention,
626
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,840
they kept their shape
and they worked hard.
627
00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:03,679
They had a plan
and I guess they stuck to it.
628
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,679
Yeah, you've gotta
give them credit for that, Gary,
629
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:06,679
and in the end, they got the result,
630
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,639
which I'm sure they'd taken
before the start of the game.
631
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,520
By 10:35, the waiting is over,
and it's time for Match of the Day.
632
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,560
And Ryan, you were less than impressed
with some of Southampton's defending.
633
00:24:16,639 --> 00:24:18,200
Yeah, I was, Gary.
Yeah, I was.
634
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000
- Right.
- Well, for me, they were poor,
635
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,639
and for me, that's unacceptable.
636
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600
And I think you've got some examples
that you wanted to highlight.
637
00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:27,960
Yeah, I have, yeah.
Well, for me, they were poor, Gary,
638
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:29,760
and for me,
when you're poor at this level,
639
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,120
you're gonna end up getting beat.
640
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,800
And yes, they got a draw, but I'm sorry,
641
00:24:32,879 --> 00:24:34,480
for me,
that's not a win in my book.
642
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,360
Er, right. And I know
you've been looking in particular
643
00:24:37,439 --> 00:24:39,080
at their defensive shape at the back.
644
00:24:39,159 --> 00:24:42,439
Yeah, I have, yeah.
Okay, right, so if you look here...
645
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,040
Oh no, wait, that's, er, there's a bit
where if... oh yeah, here we go... Right, so...
646
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,960
You've got your basic diamond, right?
647
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,360
And what happens if, yeah, so Yoshida,
he's in the channel on the left...
648
00:24:52,439 --> 00:24:56,439
Or no, on the right. Yeah...
But Bertrand's over here, look.
649
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,600
Hang on a minute...
Yeah, here we go...
650
00:24:58,679 --> 00:25:02,919
He’s in the hole behind Højbjerg,
who's gone all the way over here instead.
651
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,679
Now look, where's he going?
Look, there he goes, look.
652
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,320
Oh no, wait, is that Van Dijk?
Yeah.
653
00:25:08,399 --> 00:25:12,679
Whereas Ward-Prowse is basically left
trying to make a diamond on his own,
654
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,439
which for me, I'm sorry,
he's not gonna do that.
655
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,280
I mean, what is that?
It's not even a shape.
656
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:19,560
It's just like a pointy line.
Well, I'm sorry, but for me,
657
00:25:19,639 --> 00:25:22,399
you're not gonna win games at this level
with pointy lines, Gary.
658
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,600
Right. - I mean, if these were actual cars, right?
659
00:25:24,679 --> 00:25:27,439
This would literally be a car crash,
do you know what I'm saying?
660
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,360
It's poor and for me,
I'm sorry, that's not acceptable.
661
00:25:30,439 --> 00:25:33,879
Yes. Okay, er, well,
three more games still to come tonight
662
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,560
and plenty of football to look forward to
at the weekend...
663
00:25:36,639 --> 00:25:40,000
in the Premier League, of course,
with third-place Arsenal taking on...
664
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,439
Given where Salford is
in relation to anywhere else,
665
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080
it was always going to be too late
to get back to London.
666
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:52,639
- There you go, Mr. Fletcher, 305.
- Right.
667
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,919
Would you like help with your luggage?
668
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,199
- No.
- 305.
669
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,919
Yes, you're all next
to each other actually.
670
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,520
- Right.
- If that's gonna be okay for you.
671
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,520
- Yes, I mean that's...
- As I say, if you'd like any help with..
672
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:01,840
- No. No I don't want that.
- Right.
673
00:26:01,919 --> 00:26:03,840
Okay.
Well, enjoy your night with us tonight.
674
00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:05,080
- Yes, exactly.
- Yes.
675
00:26:05,159 --> 00:26:06,000
Yes.
676
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,800
Yes, I know he did...
677
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:12,919
I know he was...
678
00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:15,120
I know it hasn't.
679
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:16,760
No, I know you're not.
680
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,320
At last, in the unashamedly
budget hotel booked by the BBC,
681
00:26:20,399 --> 00:26:23,760
Ian has got a moment at the end of the day
to enjoy some quiet nuts
682
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,439
and an uninterrupted phone call from
Senior BBC Press Officer Tracey Pritchard,
683
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,399
who has phoned to bring him up to speed
with the bad feeling she's got
684
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,480
- about how things have gone.
- Yes, I know.
685
00:26:35,399 --> 00:26:36,800
No, I'm sure you haven't.
686
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,760
Listen, Tracey, it's quarter to one,
687
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520
let's sleep on it and regroup in...
Yes, I know it is.
688
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,360
Yes, okay.
689
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,399
Yes, speak to you in...
No, I know it hasn't.
690
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,480
Speak to you in the morning.
Okay, bye.
691
00:26:51,199 --> 00:26:52,080
Bye.
692
00:26:53,159 --> 00:26:54,560
- Oh, hi.
- Hi.
693
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,639
- Sorry, I don't want to...
- No, no.
694
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,080
- If you were...
- Er, no, come in.
695
00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,439
- I mean, if you are still up.
- Yes, well, apparently, I am, yes.
696
00:27:00,919 --> 00:27:03,360
- No, I was just talking to Tracey.
- Right, yes. How is she?
697
00:27:03,439 --> 00:27:06,360
Well, apparently, er, Ryan Shelford
is now trending on Twitter.
698
00:27:06,439 --> 00:27:07,679
- Yes.
- #FootballSexy.
699
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,600
- Yes, I saw that.
- Yes, but at the same time,
700
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:11,520
according to Tracey,
the complaints log have received
701
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520
- over 400 calls from football fans.
- Right.
702
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,879
Apparently, the highest number of
complaints in a single evening
703
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,639
ever recorded in peacetime, or something.
704
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,280
- Really. Oh, dear.
- Yes, so anyway.
705
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,760
- So that's all good.
- Yes.
706
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:24,720
- Anyway.
- Yes.
707
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:27,639
- So...
- Yes, no, I don't wanna disturb you.
708
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,679
No, that's okay.
709
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,639
- Do you want some vaguely white wine?
- Er, well...
710
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,720
I mean, you might as well.
I'm never gonna get through all this.
711
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,000
No, it was just...
so I got this email earlier.
712
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800
- Right.
- I don't know if you got it too?
713
00:27:37,879 --> 00:27:40,439
- Email about what?
- Er, well, this...
714
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:44,600
Oh, right, no, I didn't get this.
715
00:27:44,679 --> 00:27:45,879
Lucy has just found out,
716
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,240
that as part of the BBC's
new More of Less initiative,
717
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,800
a key part
of its preparation for charter renewal,
718
00:27:51,879 --> 00:27:54,600
a new post of Head of Empowerment
is to be created,
719
00:27:54,679 --> 00:27:59,159
combining both the existing roles of
Head of Diversity and Head of Inclusivity,
720
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,480
which are to be unimagined going forward.
721
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,399
Sorry, when did you get this?
722
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,879
- About an hour ago.
- Right.
723
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,159
- So I didn't really feel like sleeping.
- No, I mean, do sit down, obviously.
724
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,399
- I mean, I don't know what to say.
- No, well...
725
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Needless to say,
this is the first I've heard of it.
726
00:28:14,199 --> 00:28:17,560
- What the hell's that? I'm sorry I don't...
- No.
727
00:28:18,360 --> 00:28:20,879
- Oh... I don't know what...
- No... no, yes.
728
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,840
- Anna.
- Ah.
729
00:28:26,919 --> 00:28:29,080
- Hi.
- Yes, exactly. The fact is I'm not drunk.
730
00:28:29,439 --> 00:28:30,560
No, right.
731
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,600
- Yes, so...
- Hi, Anna.
732
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:34,879
- Yes.
- Yes.
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