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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Stand-by, two. Mix through. Cue on two. 2 00:00:14,799 --> 00:00:16,520 The BBC has announced the appointment 3 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,320 of ex-head of Olympic Deliverance, Ian Fletcher, 4 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,119 as its new Head of Values. 5 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Time now for the Shipping Forecast. 6 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,240 Superimpose. 7 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Yes, no, I know. Yes, no, I saw that. 8 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,360 Yes. Yes. No, Tracey, I saw it. 9 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,640 It's Thursday morning at New Broadcasting House in Central London. 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,599 And it's not a good start to the day for BBC Head of Values Ian Fletcher. 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,559 Well, how do you think I feel? I feel like I've been run over by a truck. 12 00:00:55,599 --> 00:00:58,199 What? No, in a bad way. 13 00:00:58,239 --> 00:00:59,599 He's already late for work, 14 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:01,680 but he's about to discover he's not as late yet 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:03,279 as he's eventually going to be. 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:04,519 Ian! Oh, bloody hell. 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,560 Ian, Ian Fletcher! Morning. Right. 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,880 The mood music from George Osborne's Treasury 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,600 is still all around the theme of the deficit, 20 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,920 and the need for further cuts in the years ahead. 21 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:16,960 Meanwhile, up in Tommy Cooper, the daily Damage Limitation Meeting 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,880 has already started without him. 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,039 I mean, I have to say, for what it's worth, 24 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:21,479 I thought she was really rather good. 25 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,160 No, she's bloody good. I thought we were okay, 26 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:24,240 I thought it was just a bump, 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,600 until that bloody skirt on Monday night. 28 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,560 Yes. Brilliant. Then all hell broke loose. 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,240 The first item on today's agenda involves a new presenter 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,440 on the BBC's current affairs flagship Newsnight, 31 00:01:33,479 --> 00:01:35,240 who has been accused of wearing clothes 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,160 that are inappropriately watchable. 33 00:01:37,199 --> 00:01:39,280 Professor of Economics at Warwick University... 34 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:41,440 Can I just say, you're not gonna wanna hear this, guys, 35 00:01:41,479 --> 00:01:43,399 but her legs have now got their own Twitter account. 36 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,000 Right. Yikes. Yeah. 37 00:01:45,039 --> 00:01:46,479 Hashtag kneesnight. 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,240 You have to say it is actually a pretty good name for it. 39 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,839 Oh, yes, no, brilliant. It's bloody great. 40 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,679 So, um, just to clarify, Neil, the original complaint about this was... 41 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,080 Yeah. It was internal, yeah. 42 00:01:55,119 --> 00:01:56,679 Yes, and that was... Another presenter, yeah. 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:58,839 Right. No, it's another classic own goal. 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:00,520 Yes, and when you say another presenter... 45 00:02:00,559 --> 00:02:02,280 I'm sworn to secrecy, I'm afraid. 46 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,559 Oh, yes, no, of course... Sorry. 47 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Yes, but just so we know, who is it? 48 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:06,199 Right. 49 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Yes. Okay. 50 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:08,759 So that could be a bit... 51 00:02:08,799 --> 00:02:11,600 Oh, yeah, no, it's a live grenade with the pin out. 52 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:13,480 Hi. Ah, the man of the moment. 53 00:02:13,519 --> 00:02:14,920 Sorry I'm late. No, come on in. 54 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,760 Took a bit longer to get through the front door than usual. 55 00:02:16,799 --> 00:02:18,239 Yes, no, brilliant, brilliant. 56 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Uh, thanks, Will, would you be able to put that somewhere? 57 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,200 Yeah, okay, cool. Thanks, great. 58 00:02:21,239 --> 00:02:22,959 Well, so like... Uh, no, just somewhere that isn't here. 59 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:24,720 Okay, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 60 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:26,359 With Ian's arrival, 61 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,880 the meeting can address the main item on this morning's agenda. 62 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:30,480 Ian. I mean, the salary's 63 00:02:30,519 --> 00:02:32,239 one thing, I can live with that. 64 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,799 Yes, I should hope so, Ian. But the private stuff... 65 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,519 I know. No, that is a problem. 66 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,280 I mean, it's unforgivable. No, it really is very irksome. 67 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,040 Overnight, a media story about the size of Ian's BBC salary has developed. 68 00:02:43,079 --> 00:02:46,880 Several papers are now alleging that not only did he misuse public funds 69 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,440 at the Olympic Deliverance Commission 70 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,200 by asking his Personal Assistant 71 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:53,880 to arrange a private holiday for him in Italy in 2012, 72 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:57,920 but also that he deliberately took her with him in order to enjoy it. 73 00:02:57,959 --> 00:03:00,600 I mean, for what it's worth, I had a quick muffin with Tony this morning. 74 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:03,000 A muffin? Yes, he's very chipper about the whole thing, isn't he? 75 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,560 Mmm-hmm. 76 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Yeah, just cutting the crap for a second. Brilliant. 77 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,079 Just so we don't end up with the usual fuck-up in News. Right. 78 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:09,720 Yes, no, very good. So the personal stuff... 79 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Right. Yes. So, the 80 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,920 PA, the whole Umbrian doodah, you know, that stuff... Right. 81 00:03:13,959 --> 00:03:15,079 I mean... Love nest. 82 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,359 What? Umbrian love nest. 83 00:03:16,399 --> 00:03:17,560 Yeah, well... Brilliant. 84 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,239 Right, okay. I mean, it's a free country, 85 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,600 and, I mean, I should be so lucky, who doesn't like Umbria? 86 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,799 But just for the sake of clarity and for the avoidance of doubt, 87 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,519 whatever the fuck that means, 88 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,040 that's just the usual bollocks, is it? 89 00:03:27,079 --> 00:03:28,280 Right, yes. 90 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,280 I mean, it's all made up, it's not true? 91 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:36,079 I mean, for God's sake. I paid for it myself. 92 00:03:36,119 --> 00:03:37,880 I couldn't stop her arranging it. 93 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,239 Right. Brilliant. 94 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,359 Okay. 95 00:03:40,399 --> 00:03:42,160 Great. Mmm-hmm. 96 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:43,959 All righty-ho. 97 00:03:46,079 --> 00:03:47,320 Hi, Will. 98 00:03:47,359 --> 00:03:48,440 Oh, yeah, hi. Yeah, hi. 99 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,160 How are you? Oh, yeah, good, yeah. 100 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,160 Sorry I'm a bit late in this morning. Are you waiting for something? 101 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,920 No, yeah, I was just gonna leave Ian Fletcher's bike here next to your desk? 102 00:03:54,959 --> 00:03:56,480 Okay. Cool. Just put it next to Simon's. 103 00:03:56,519 --> 00:03:58,799 Just so I know where it is. Cool. Yeah, that's fine. 104 00:03:58,839 --> 00:04:01,399 Oh, God, that is brilliant, Will, thank you. 105 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Yeah, no worries. Must have taken you forever. 106 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,239 No, it's cool, yeah. It's my own fault. 107 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:08,079 Overnight, intern Will Humphries has very nearly succeeded 108 00:04:08,119 --> 00:04:12,519 in his task of putting 400 letters of invitation to a major BBC event 109 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,560 into 400 different envelopes and then sealing them up one after the other. 110 00:04:16,599 --> 00:04:18,760 What's happened here? What? Yeah, I know! 111 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,159 So this is a letter to David Cameron. Yeah. 112 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,840 And this is an envelope addressed to Prince Charles, the Prince of Wales. 113 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Yeah, Prince Charles, yeah, I know. 114 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,520 So. I mean... 115 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,120 Yeah, I know, it's like I don't know how that happened? 116 00:04:29,159 --> 00:04:31,200 It's just one, so I thought I'd leave it till you got here. 117 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,960 Okay, well, presumably... Yeah. 118 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,560 Let's hope that the letter for Prince Charles is in the envelope for David Cameron. 119 00:04:37,599 --> 00:04:39,640 Yeah, cool, yeah, presumably, yeah, cool. 120 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,919 Right, so where is the letter for Cameron? 121 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,039 Well, yeah... Say again? 122 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,159 The envelope addressed to Cameron. Right, yeah. 123 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,719 Where is it? Yeah, cool, yeah, 124 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,240 it's in there somewhere. I saw it. 125 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,719 "From Bakewell tarts to Melton Mowbray pork pies, 126 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,080 "a culinary tour of the nation's taste buds. 127 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,159 "Each week, Rick Stein and new face Sally Wingate 128 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,120 "adopt a village each as they battle it out, live and against the clock, 129 00:05:02,159 --> 00:05:03,840 "for the title of Britain's Tastiest Village." 130 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,680 It's genius, Lucy. It's wonderful. 131 00:05:05,719 --> 00:05:07,560 Rick Stein's wrong for this. Oh, yeah, no, definitely. Lovely Rick. 132 00:05:07,599 --> 00:05:08,840 We're not doing old and bald. 133 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Meanwhile, producer Lucy Freeman 134 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,640 has been asked to rewrite the press release 135 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,080 for the forthcoming new show 136 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:15,919 Britain's Tastiest Village, 137 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,520 following the sad loss of its tastiest ingredients, 138 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,240 Alan Titchmarsh and either Clare Balding or Carol Vorderman. 139 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:23,919 I mean, obviously this is your show, David... 140 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,479 I so want to see this show. I just thought making it a live show 141 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,000 might somehow... Yeah, no, genius. 142 00:05:28,039 --> 00:05:29,919 It's a big thing, obviously, but I suppose what I was... 143 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,880 Yeah. No, sure. So where are we up to with names? 144 00:05:31,919 --> 00:05:34,039 Right. If we're going to do this thing at all. 145 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,680 Despite Lucy's concerns about the basic premise of the show itself, 146 00:05:37,719 --> 00:05:41,599 the question of who's going to present it is much more important than that. 147 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,359 And Anna has got an idea. 148 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Gary Lineker? Yes. 149 00:05:44,919 --> 00:05:47,039 Genius. Head of Output Anna Rampton 150 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,680 has met TV colossus Gary Lineker 151 00:05:49,719 --> 00:05:52,599 at the Pride of Sporting Britain's Little Children Awards, 152 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:53,880 and something has happened. 153 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:55,680 The fact is Gary's sick of football. 154 00:05:55,719 --> 00:05:57,520 He has been for years, you can see it in his face. Lovely Gary. 155 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,840 He's surrounded by deadbeats 24/7, he's ready for a change. 156 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,400 I know. It's like every week he's got to make those terrible jokes. 157 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:03,640 This is one of those moments. 158 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,120 The fact is, we should make this thing happen. 159 00:06:05,159 --> 00:06:07,000 And this is like, this is so cool. 160 00:06:07,039 --> 00:06:08,880 But Gary's all about up, he's not about sideways. 161 00:06:08,919 --> 00:06:11,320 What? Well, the fact is he's not gonna want to do something 162 00:06:11,359 --> 00:06:13,120 just about food at this point in his career. Okay. 163 00:06:13,159 --> 00:06:15,680 But this is Britain's Tastiest Village. The clue is in the title. 164 00:06:15,719 --> 00:06:17,640 So, we talked about maybe Britain's Top Village. 165 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,039 Britain's Top Village? Christ. 166 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,960 The fact is this is Sunday night Event Television. 167 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,359 Well, yes, of course. There's got to be more to this 168 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,080 than a few pork pies and some tarts. 169 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,760 I know, 'cause if you break down a whole village, then it's... 170 00:06:26,799 --> 00:06:29,000 What have you actually got? I mean it's genius. Yes. 171 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:30,520 What have you got? 172 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,799 Well, I mean, you got like houses, and you got food, 173 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:35,880 and you got like gardens, you've got like makeovers, 174 00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:39,039 and you've got characters, you know, like weird people and that, 175 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,960 and, uh, you got, uh, pets, and you got football teams... Yes. 176 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,159 And I don't know, maybe a choir or something? You've got vegetables. 177 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,919 Yes, okay. Oh, my God. Okay, can I just say right now, Anna, 178 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,359 you're going to do the speech at the BAFTAs, 179 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,159 'cause I'm so gonna be off my face. 180 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,919 Cameron... Cameron... Nope. 181 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Okay, not in that one either. Cool. 182 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:14,320 Yeah, my brother does this thing... 183 00:07:14,359 --> 00:07:16,919 Shall we just do this first? Yeah, okay, cool. 184 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,000 Ah, here we go, David Cameron. 185 00:07:18,039 --> 00:07:20,000 Okay, cool, yeah, David Cameron. 186 00:07:20,039 --> 00:07:22,760 I'll just print off another address sticker and get a new envelope. 187 00:07:22,799 --> 00:07:24,520 Yeah, cool, it was in that one all the time. 188 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,039 Ah, right. Okay. What? 189 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,719 Joan Bakewell. Yeah. What? 190 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,280 This one's to Joan Bakewell. 191 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,239 Yeah, I don't know who that is. 192 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,320 So how many of these are wrong, Will? 193 00:07:34,799 --> 00:07:35,840 Two. 194 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,120 Two? 195 00:07:37,159 --> 00:07:38,799 No, okay, crap. Three. 196 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,799 Right. Okay. Thanks, Will. 197 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:44,919 It's like with me, sometimes, it's like I'm completely useless. 198 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:46,280 Yes. No, it's okay. Shall I... 199 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Okay. Thanks, Will. I'll sort it out. 200 00:07:47,719 --> 00:07:48,880 Yeah. Okay, yeah. Cool. 201 00:08:09,679 --> 00:08:11,520 Yes, no, I know. 202 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,880 No, but, Dan, you shouldn't feel that, you mustn't. 203 00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:15,599 You know, it was just one meeting, that's all. 204 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,320 I mean, they hadn't even read it. 205 00:08:17,359 --> 00:08:19,520 Meanwhile, in a break between meetings, 206 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,080 producer Lucy Freeman has found time to catch up with other projects. 207 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,320 No, listen. Nothing worthwhile is easy, you know? 208 00:08:26,359 --> 00:08:27,599 What? 209 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,479 Yes, okay. Bye, Dan, bye. Bye. 210 00:08:31,799 --> 00:08:33,240 Hi. Hi. You sure? 211 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,600 Yes, sure. 212 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,280 I think I owe you one. 213 00:08:36,319 --> 00:08:38,039 It's also a convenient moment to look for a desk 214 00:08:38,079 --> 00:08:40,640 that isn't already too hot to work at. 215 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,039 To save you asking, I haven't read that script yet. 216 00:08:43,079 --> 00:08:44,560 What, Home Truth? No, no. 217 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,800 I will do, I'd like to, but I had a few other things to... 218 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,600 Yes, no, of course. 219 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,040 So was that the writer you were talking to? 220 00:08:50,079 --> 00:08:51,800 Yes. Dan, yes. He's up in Wetherby. 221 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,000 I was just trying to cheer him up. Yes. 222 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,319 So, nothing worthwhile is easy. 223 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,040 Yes. What does that actually mean? 224 00:08:58,079 --> 00:09:00,319 I'm not really sure, but I always think it sounds good, doesn't it? 225 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,600 Yeah, sounds great. 226 00:09:22,439 --> 00:09:24,079 Yes, hi. 227 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,160 Yes, I'd like to send some flowers, please. 228 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Please, yes, that's why I phoned. 229 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,360 I mean, if you don't mind me asking, Ian, 230 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,560 how much were you earning 231 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,880 back at the Olympic Deliverance Commission? 232 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,480 The Olympic Deliverance Commission? A-ha! 233 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,000 I just think that could be relevant here. Brilliant. 234 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Meanwhile, Director of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood, 235 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,720 has arranged for Ian to meet BBC Head of Humane Resources Elaine Pearson 236 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,319 to have a bit of a natter about the issue of his salary. 237 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,760 Well, leaving aside the rights and wrongs of all the personal stuff 238 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,600 for the moment... Right. Well, no, wait a minute... 239 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Yes, 'cause I'm not being funny or anything, Ian, 240 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:56,720 but who knows what they're gonna turn up next? 241 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,400 I'm sorry, but this all... You're talking as if... 242 00:09:58,439 --> 00:10:00,000 I haven't done anything wrong here. 243 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,079 No. Oh, no, no, no. 244 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,760 I was divorced, I was 245 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,360 out of a job after seven years on the bloody Olympic Games, 246 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,199 I went to Italy for one week 247 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,000 with someone who... She... 248 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:11,720 Okay, it was a mistake, okay? 249 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,079 Ah, yes, good. It was a mistake. 250 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,600 I think I probably knew it at the time. 251 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,439 We had separate rooms, it rained, 252 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,600 there was some sort of dreadful tomato festival for the whole bloody week, 253 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:21,439 she spent pretty much the last two days in tears, 254 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,959 I felt physically sick with guilt and then we came back. 255 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,280 Okay. I mean, what's wrong with that? 256 00:10:25,319 --> 00:10:27,199 Oh, yes. Nothing. 257 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,480 No, Simon and I were talking earlier and I know you've talked to Tony... 258 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,319 Oh, yes, who by the way is pretty perky about this. 259 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,920 Right. Is he? 260 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:34,800 The fact is you do earn almost twice as much as the Prime Minister. 261 00:10:34,839 --> 00:10:36,839 You are BBC Head of Values. Hang on. 262 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,160 There's no getting around it, that's a pretty toxic combination. 263 00:10:39,199 --> 00:10:41,240 I'm sorry. People keep banging on about the Prime Minister. 264 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:44,000 I can't do anything about how much the Prime Minister earns, can I? 265 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,520 I mean, that's really not my fault. 266 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:46,839 No. 267 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,920 Oh, no, no, absolutely not. 268 00:10:48,959 --> 00:10:51,480 You know, and by the same token, I can't do anything about how much I earn, can I? 269 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,280 That's really not my fault, either. 270 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:57,880 So really, I mean, I just, 271 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,079 I don't think that's a helpful line of argument. 272 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Brilliant. 273 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,640 What? 274 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:03,920 Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. 275 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,079 Fiona Bruce. No. 276 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,839 No, okay. Great with disasters and uprisings, 277 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,079 but the fact is Fiona doesn't do fun. 278 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Yeah, lovely Fiona. 279 00:11:19,959 --> 00:11:23,000 Elsewhere, as Britain's Top Village inevitably takes shape, 280 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,680 the issue for Anna Rampton is who could be shiny enough 281 00:11:25,719 --> 00:11:27,959 to present alongside Gary Lineker, 282 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,680 leaving newcomer Sally Wingate's face free to play a less obvious role. 283 00:11:31,719 --> 00:11:33,079 Sorry, Anna. That's okay, Jack. 284 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,640 Bit of a queue downstairs. Sure. 285 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,199 Went to Starbucks in the end. Hope that's gonna be okay. 286 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:37,839 No, I don't want that now. Okay. 287 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,439 You can leave the water. Also this is broken. Sure. 288 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:40,319 Okay. Sure, yep. I'll have a look. Can you? 289 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:41,439 Okay. 290 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,800 Julia Bradbury. 291 00:11:42,839 --> 00:11:44,079 Right. Okay. 292 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,560 Lovely Julia. No, okay. No. 293 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,079 There you go, it's good now. Good. 294 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,839 The fact is we need big hitters here. 295 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:50,319 I know, the thing about Julia is, like, 296 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,959 she really needs to be walking? 297 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,400 As soon as she stands still, it's not there somehow, it's gone. 298 00:11:54,439 --> 00:11:56,120 Oh, Jack had an idea. Okay. 299 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,680 Jack. Britain's Top Village. Yeah. 300 00:11:57,719 --> 00:11:58,800 Yeah, right, okay. 301 00:11:58,839 --> 00:11:59,880 Holly Willoughby. 302 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,560 Yes. 303 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Fuck. It's genius. Holly Willoughby... 304 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,160 I mean, do you think that would actually work? 305 00:12:05,199 --> 00:12:06,760 What? Holly Willoughby and Gary Lineker? Together? 306 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,240 I just mean... I'm like, is that even legal? 307 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,480 Okay, good. 308 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:10,920 I feel dirty even saying it. 309 00:12:13,199 --> 00:12:15,199 I mean, I can't remember the exact figure, 310 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,400 not in terms of actual... 311 00:12:16,439 --> 00:12:18,079 No, sure, ballpark's fine. 312 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,280 To the nearest few thousand. Right. 313 00:12:19,319 --> 00:12:21,240 Well, the Olympics is a long time ago, 314 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:22,719 and obviously I've spent all of it now, 315 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,160 but I suppose it must have been... 316 00:12:25,199 --> 00:12:27,719 Well, it must have been, uh... I mean, do I have to? 317 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,800 I suppose somewhere in the region of, I mean, I don't know, 318 00:12:30,839 --> 00:12:32,240 thousand pounds. 319 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,640 thousand. 320 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,719 I mean, very roughly, yes, I mean, I'm guessing. 321 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,079 Very good. Okay, so you got a decent uplift in 322 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,760 coming to the BBC. Yes. 323 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,599 I mean, I'm not feeling particularly uplifted at the moment. 324 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:43,319 Meanwhile, back in Frankie Howerd, 325 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,319 Elaine Pearson is taking Ian through some of the advantages 326 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,079 of cutting his current salary, 327 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:50,839 which we are unable to reveal here for ethical reasons, 328 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,280 to a level more comparable with someone who earns a lot less than that. 329 00:12:54,319 --> 00:12:57,240 I mean, I have to say I'm not entirely comfortable with this whole idea. 330 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,160 Well, although... If ever there was an opportunity 331 00:12:59,199 --> 00:13:02,760 for the BBC to stand tall and make a big, bold statement about 332 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,120 how much it values the idea of 333 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,199 valuing values, then surely this is it. 334 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:08,520 Oh, yes, no, very strong. 335 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,160 I'm sorry, I may be stupid, but I just don't see 336 00:13:11,199 --> 00:13:13,959 how the Head of Values cutting his own salary in half does that. 337 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,079 Oh, well. In half? 338 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,400 Blimey. Well, no, that's... 339 00:13:16,439 --> 00:13:18,439 Steady on, everybody. 340 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,599 It's not going to be easy to arrive at an appropriate figure, 341 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,920 but slowly and surely they're working their way down towards one. 342 00:13:23,959 --> 00:13:26,560 What I'm saying is if we were able to say, amongst the first things 343 00:13:26,599 --> 00:13:28,640 the incoming Head of Values did at the BBC, 344 00:13:28,680 --> 00:13:31,319 was to look at his own salary and cut it to, 345 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,240 I don't know, say thousand pounds less 346 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,640 than he was earning in his previous job... 347 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,400 We can work on the detail obviously... 348 00:13:36,439 --> 00:13:39,800 Wouldn't that be one hell of a signal to put out there? Right. 349 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:41,640 That's brilliant. 350 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,480 I'm not being funny or anything, Ian, but I gotta say, that is genius. 351 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,560 Well... There's your big bold statement right there. 352 00:13:46,599 --> 00:13:47,680 thousand. 353 00:13:47,719 --> 00:13:49,640 Like I say, we can work on the detail. 354 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:51,800 You know, for what it's worth, and I mean, you know, listen, I don't know 355 00:13:51,839 --> 00:13:55,079 how this stuff works, but thousand seems pretty good to me. 356 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,199 Well, I mean... Yes, 'cause that's thousand less 357 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,959 than you used to earn before, 358 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,880 but it's thousand less than you're actually earning now. 359 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:04,520 Yes. Plus it's pounds less than the Prime Minister. 360 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:05,880 Well, exactly, yes. 361 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:06,920 Right. Okay. It's perfect. 362 00:14:06,959 --> 00:14:08,880 It's joyous. No, well, I mean, 363 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,000 as an option that's very interesting, thank you, Elaine. 364 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,400 'Cause I suppose what you wanna be thinking here, Ian, is, 365 00:14:13,439 --> 00:14:14,599 what are my other options? 366 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,959 Well, exactly, yes. Absolutely. 367 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:17,760 And I don't want to be negative or anything, 368 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,959 but from where I'm standing, I'm not seeing any. 369 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,160 Chaps, I have to say that I think we have done something really rather momentous here. 370 00:14:24,199 --> 00:14:25,880 Yes. Yes, well, no, I'll certainly... 371 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,319 Elaine Pearson, Superwoman. 372 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,719 No, really... Yes, no, thank you very much. 373 00:14:58,839 --> 00:15:00,120 Will. 374 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,160 Yeah, hey, yeah. No, nothing. 375 00:15:01,199 --> 00:15:03,000 Still here. What? Yeah. 376 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,120 Good, isn't it? Yeah, it's like, I was just, yeah, I don't know. 377 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,000 I was gonna ask where you put it this morning, 378 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:08,599 but it looks like it's been around a bit. 379 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Yeah, no, I've been round here, I haven't been on the road. 380 00:15:10,319 --> 00:15:11,839 I mean, honestly, it's ridiculous. 381 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,839 Head of bloody Values, I've got nowhere to put my bike. 382 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,400 Yeah, crap, yeah. Crap. 383 00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:20,400 Will. Yeah. 384 00:15:20,439 --> 00:15:21,760 What're you doing now? No, nothing, 385 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,319 I've been here all the time. 386 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:24,959 You all right? What? Yeah, cool, yeah, cool. 387 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,839 Are you doing anything for the next half hour or so? 388 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,719 What, now? No. Yes. 389 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,400 Right, okay. Good. 390 00:15:55,839 --> 00:15:57,880 It's Friday morning. 391 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,640 A new day, and for Ian a day that already feels very much like Thursday morning. 392 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,359 No, look, what I'd say is... 393 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,880 This is a chance to make a clear and confident public statement 394 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,920 about the BBC's core values, 395 00:16:07,959 --> 00:16:10,160 and about what makes it different from just about every other broadcasting 396 00:16:10,199 --> 00:16:11,439 organisation in the world. 397 00:16:11,479 --> 00:16:13,560 And these chances don't come along very often. 398 00:16:13,599 --> 00:16:16,160 How are you going to feel about earning even less than the Prime Minister? 399 00:16:16,199 --> 00:16:18,079 No, look, this isn't about me or the Prime Minister. 400 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,599 I think one of the achievements the BBC of today can be proudest of 401 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,839 is that it pays its key talent less than anyone else, 402 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,640 and I'm certainly proud to have been given the chance to be part of that, 403 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,680 so, no, that's all good. 404 00:16:28,719 --> 00:16:30,319 I mean, the thing about this is, for once 405 00:16:30,359 --> 00:16:32,280 it isn't actually about the standard of journalism on the show. 406 00:16:32,319 --> 00:16:33,959 No, I know that. Which, as Tony said, 407 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,479 is really, rather kind of fabulous. Yeah, bollocks. 408 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,880 Meanwhile, inside, Simon Harwood 409 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,839 is in the gallery of the Newsnight studio. 410 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,560 He's come for a bit of a catch-up 411 00:16:41,599 --> 00:16:44,280 about what's now being referred to as the Kneesnight Issue 412 00:16:44,319 --> 00:16:46,719 with Current Head of News and Current Affairs Neil Reid, 413 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,560 and Acting Editor of Kneesnight, Mark Stephenson. 414 00:16:49,599 --> 00:16:51,680 I mean, you guys'll know how you wanna handle this thing, 415 00:16:51,719 --> 00:16:53,760 but Mark would it be an idea to just have a little chat with her? 416 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,880 What? With Indira? 417 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:56,319 Yes, you know... What, 418 00:16:56,359 --> 00:16:58,280 talk about her skirt? 419 00:16:58,319 --> 00:17:00,240 Well, no, just, you know, just, just to have a bit of a chinwag over a coffee, 420 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,800 and take the heat out of the whole thing. 421 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:03,959 Oh, yeah, it's an idea, but it's a terrible idea. Fine. 422 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,520 You know, there's so many ways of that going wrong. 423 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,240 It's just a question of which one to choose, really. Yes. 424 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,040 Yes, no, brilliant, brilliant. 425 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,639 Overnight, the Leader of the House of Commons Harriet Harman, 426 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,960 herself a woman, has tweeted about the increasing sexualisation 427 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,280 of television news. 428 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:18,000 It doesn't help, we're all fucking men. No. 429 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,359 I mean, look at us, for God's sake. 430 00:17:19,399 --> 00:17:21,359 Yes, and in an ideal world, 431 00:17:21,399 --> 00:17:23,040 um, what outcome are we looking for here? 432 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:24,800 Well, in an ideal world, 433 00:17:24,839 --> 00:17:27,440 I suppose, they'd all still be sitting behind desks like they used to. 434 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,280 None of this would've ever happened. Brilliant. 435 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,480 As it stands we've got them prancing around the set like bloody heifers 436 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,120 at a county show. 437 00:17:33,159 --> 00:17:34,520 Yeah, so whose idea was it to have them standing up so much? 438 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,200 Don't know. I don't know. 439 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,440 Nobody likes it. Paxman looks like he's waiting for a fucking bus. 440 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,159 Brilliant. I know you'll know what you're thinking on this, 441 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,159 but for what it's worth, Tony absolutely loves desks. 442 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,080 No, I was saying to Mark, why don't we get Bruce Forsyth 443 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:47,200 to present Newsnight and have done with it? Then everybody's happy. 444 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,159 Yeah. Yes, no, brilliant, Neil, brilliant. 445 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:51,800 No, of course, I mean, that goes without saying, 446 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,560 but the fact is Gary Lineker was voted in the top 50 men 447 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,360 you'd most like to surprise you in the shower. 448 00:17:56,399 --> 00:17:59,600 Meanwhile, producer Lucy Freeman is already on the phone. 449 00:17:59,639 --> 00:18:02,200 She's managed to talk to Holly Willoughby's agents, 450 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,800 despite how difficult that is to do. 451 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,879 I mean, initially, it would obviously be great 452 00:18:05,919 --> 00:18:09,360 if we could maybe meet Holly, maybe lunch or something, tell her a bit about... 453 00:18:09,399 --> 00:18:11,919 No, sure, I mean it could just be a salad or something. 454 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,560 Absolutely, of course. 455 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,720 Okay, well, look, that's great, Tamsin. 456 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Look forward to hearing from you. 457 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,440 Okay, thanks. Lovely, bye. Bye. 458 00:18:22,360 --> 00:18:23,560 Hi. 459 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,680 Yeah, hi. 460 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,879 How are you? Okay, no, forget that. 461 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:27,080 Yes. 462 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,399 No, I'm okay today, thanks. 463 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,679 Oh, okay. 464 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,639 Have you got a moment? Yes. Sure. 465 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Oh, now? Yes. 466 00:18:36,879 --> 00:18:38,520 Right, okay. Yeah Yes. 467 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:52,280 Wow. Yes. 468 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,639 Yeah, we built it. 469 00:18:53,679 --> 00:18:55,399 Come on in. Yeah, this is where the bike goes. 470 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:56,639 Right. Here. 471 00:18:56,679 --> 00:18:57,879 Yes. 472 00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:59,200 Pretty cool. Thanks, Will. 473 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:00,600 I thought offices weren't allowed. 474 00:19:00,639 --> 00:19:02,000 No, they're not, no. No. 475 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:04,399 No, but I think what I've realised is that ultimately, 476 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,000 in the big scheme of things, you know, sod it. 477 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,520 Yes, right. Yeah, 'cause it's like 478 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,040 in the end life's too short and then you die? 479 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,240 Yes. Yes, thanks, Will. 480 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,000 Okay, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 481 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,600 Have a seat. 482 00:19:14,639 --> 00:19:15,840 Thanks. Great. 483 00:19:15,879 --> 00:19:18,240 So I didn't really get much sleep last night. 484 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:20,440 No, right. So I read Home Truth. 485 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,919 Oh, okay. Twice. 486 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,679 Right. Yes. 487 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,879 As if his morning hasn't been interesting enough already, 488 00:19:32,919 --> 00:19:34,679 suddenly, out of nowhere, 489 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,679 Ian has a got a text from someone waiting in reception. 490 00:19:45,639 --> 00:19:47,080 Sally. 491 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,320 Oh, yes, hi, yes. 492 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:49,639 What are you... How are you? 493 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:50,879 Oh, yeah, fine. 494 00:19:50,919 --> 00:19:52,399 I mean, I just... 495 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,399 Yes, no, not a problem. 496 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,200 Shall we... Just came... Thank you for these. 497 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,800 Oh, no, it's just, I couldn't... 498 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,560 I can't... I don't actually want them. 499 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,520 Right. 500 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,200 Yes, and please don't... 501 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,200 I'd quite like it if you didn't actually ring me, or contact me again. 502 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,360 Right. 503 00:20:07,399 --> 00:20:08,840 Yes, and... 504 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,280 Sally... Yes, thank you, 505 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,800 that's... Thank you. Sally... 506 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Yeah, hey. 507 00:20:27,639 --> 00:20:29,320 Yes, hi, Will. Yeah, I just got a coffee. 508 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:30,480 Cool flowers. Yes. 509 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,639 Yeah, nice and big. 510 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:33,399 Yes, do you want them? Yeah, say again? 511 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,679 There you go. Uh... 512 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:35,879 It's your lucky day. 513 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:38,080 Yeah, cool, yeah, no worries, yeah, cool. 514 00:20:47,159 --> 00:20:49,520 So what Barney's going to do here, what's gonna happen, 515 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 and he's going to talk us through some really cool ideas, 516 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,360 and then we're just going to talk about stuff. Okay? Brilliant. 517 00:20:54,399 --> 00:20:57,760 Meanwhile, BBC Brand Consultant Siobhan Sharpe, 518 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,560 has brought Senior Perfect Curve go-to-guy Barney Lumsden 519 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,919 over to New Broadcasting House 520 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,320 to present the initial results of Perfect Curve's mission 521 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,560 to refresh the famous BBC logo, 522 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,360 and make it feel more like an app. 523 00:21:10,399 --> 00:21:12,600 Siobhan, I know you'll know how you wanna do this better than I do... 524 00:21:12,639 --> 00:21:14,399 Sure, yeah. And just before you start, 525 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,240 maybe could you just give us a bit of background about how the... 526 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,040 No, sure, I mean, and so how we do this 527 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,560 is we do background afterwards. 528 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,960 Oh, right, okay. 529 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Yeah, Barney's a kind of foreground first kind of guy. 530 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,879 Brilliant. Okay, so, what've we got here? 531 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:28,280 Uh, we got, uh, three letters. 532 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,960 Uh, not even three, we've got... 533 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,440 Two. Two letters, 'cause the first two are the same letter, 534 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,240 which is like a B, so we got two letters, 535 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,639 and they're in a row, which is like one after the other. Sure. 536 00:21:36,679 --> 00:21:38,080 And we're like, "Thanks, guys," 537 00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:39,919 it's not like they've given us a lot to work with here... 538 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:43,040 After the brave decision to lose the letters B, B and C 539 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,000 from the famous BBC logo, 540 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Barney has got some examples 541 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000 of what the new BBC icon might look like. 542 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,800 It's kind of universal. It could be... It could be whatever you like. 543 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,200 It could be B, B, C. BBC. 544 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,439 Yeah. BBC. 545 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,000 Yeah, but without the... Mmm, mmm, mmm. 546 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,360 Yeah, but... Mmm, mmm, mmm. 547 00:21:59,399 --> 00:22:01,360 And it's getting bigger, it's getting stronger, 548 00:22:01,399 --> 00:22:03,760 it's like, it's coming out of... Sure. That's comin' at ya. 549 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,120 And we're like, for the BBC, that's pretty much exactly 550 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:07,560 where you want... Okay, so we've got that now. 551 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,639 Okay. Now do the next one. 552 00:22:08,679 --> 00:22:10,120 Okay, cool. 553 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:13,720 God. 554 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,280 Oh, don't ask me. They were just here. 555 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,200 What? 556 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,159 They must have cost a fortune. 557 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,040 Ah, so what, this isn't normal for you? 558 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,600 Jesus, this is... 559 00:22:35,639 --> 00:22:38,080 I know, they've really gone the whole nine yards. 560 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:42,080 What? "Sally. I'm so sorry. 561 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,159 "If there's anybody that doesn't deserve it, it's you. 562 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,360 "I hope you're okay." 563 00:22:45,399 --> 00:22:47,000 Sally? God, this... 564 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,439 Where's Will? This is really weird. 565 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:49,600 And I mean, like, who's Ian? 566 00:22:49,639 --> 00:22:50,919 What? Have you read this? No, no... 567 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,840 No, I just mean... Who's Ian? 568 00:22:54,439 --> 00:22:56,399 And you've got three main areas here... Threeeee. 569 00:22:56,439 --> 00:22:59,960 You've got British, yeah, British, Broadcasting and Company. 570 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,280 Meanwhile, back in the logo presentation, 571 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879 Perfect Curve go-to-guy Barney Lumsden 572 00:23:04,919 --> 00:23:07,280 is getting ever closer to the cutting edge 573 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,200 in his quest to rebrand the BBC as an app. 574 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,679 No, you've gone backwards again. 575 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,840 Hi, apologies. 576 00:23:12,879 --> 00:23:14,879 Ah, brilliant, Mr BBC. 577 00:23:14,919 --> 00:23:16,399 Yes, just been a bit... Yes. 578 00:23:16,439 --> 00:23:18,200 Sort of one of those days. No, no, brilliant. 579 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,720 How's it going? No, brilliant. 580 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,360 Yes. After being downstairs for a while, 581 00:23:22,399 --> 00:23:23,679 Ian has finally managed 582 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,800 to find his way back to the sixth floor. 583 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,480 'Cause what we realised with the number three 584 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,840 is that it's kind of like a universal number. Threeeee. 585 00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:34,600 Yeah... And we were like, "Is there like a... Mmm, mmm, mmm. 586 00:23:34,639 --> 00:23:36,320 "...universal like thing... Mmm, mmm, mmm. 587 00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,480 "...that gives you the number three?" And that's when... 588 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,120 Triangle. Yeah, and that's when we came up with triangle. 589 00:23:41,159 --> 00:23:42,480 Right. But when we tried it, 590 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,480 what we found was, a triangle on its own, 591 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,360 it wasn't very, it didn't really... Mmm. It was un-appy. 592 00:23:47,399 --> 00:23:49,040 Yeah, un-appy, yeah. 593 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,240 I'm sorry, Siobhan, I've been just about hanging on up to now, 594 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:52,560 but I'm afraid that's done it. 595 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,399 Um, okay, so it wasn't appy, okay? 596 00:23:55,439 --> 00:23:56,840 It was un-appy. 597 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,000 Oh, right. Okay. 598 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,159 Un-appy, yeah. 599 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,439 Thank you. We love this, we so love it. 600 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,840 And then we thought, "What if you had two triangles, 601 00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:07,639 "one pointing up, 602 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,480 "and one pointing down, like they've crashed into each other." 603 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,520 Right. Okay. 604 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Blimey. And suddenly, 605 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,000 we were like, "This is like an explosion... Yay! 606 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,520 "...in a triangle factory!" 607 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,320 You got threes everywhere you look. 608 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:21,960 Mmm, mmm, mmm. You've got energy, 609 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,879 you got this really cool dynamic... Mmm, mmm, mmm. 610 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,240 Well, you've got a star. You've got a star, yeah, yeah, cool. 611 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,960 So, that's, um... You've got the Star of David. 612 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,120 Excuse me? You've got the Star of David. 613 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,040 Right, so... Oh, yes, very good. 614 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,560 David who? 615 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,280 The universal symbol for the Jewish faith and people. 616 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,480 You're joking me. No, he's not, Siobhan. 617 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,040 Yeah, sure... Hey. 618 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Yeah, hey. 619 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,240 Okay, well, look, thanks for that, Siobhan, that's great. 620 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,919 Go, BBC. Go, triangle. 621 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,240 Go, David. 622 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,360 Yes. Brilliant. 623 00:24:49,399 --> 00:24:50,560 Yes. 624 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:53,840 Hi. Yes, hi. 625 00:24:53,879 --> 00:24:56,639 Oh, Anna, actually, I wanted to just run something by you. 626 00:24:56,679 --> 00:24:58,000 Right. I don't know if you've got a second. 627 00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,200 Now? Well, yes, it's just... 628 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,840 No, not really. No, right. 629 00:25:00,879 --> 00:25:02,360 If you want to e-mail Jack, he can put something in the diary. 630 00:25:02,399 --> 00:25:03,960 Okay, fine. That's great. Okay, good. 631 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,200 It's not important? 632 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,760 What? No, I mean, it's just, 633 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,439 no... I mean, probably not. 634 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,439 What were you doing with it? I was working at a desk, 635 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,399 and I got talking to the person next to me. 636 00:25:14,439 --> 00:25:15,960 This was just someone who... Yes, okay. 637 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,560 I suppose that's the thing with open-plan, isn't it? 638 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,000 I suppose that was exactly the sort of... 639 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,720 What were you doing with the script? Oh, anyway, 640 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,600 she was telling me about this thing she was working on, 641 00:25:22,639 --> 00:25:24,760 and I happened to mention I'd never actually read a script. Right. 642 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Anyway... Could you hold that for me? I've finished with it. 643 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,120 Uh, yes... Okay, thank you. 644 00:25:29,159 --> 00:25:31,600 So anyway, I ended up reading it last night. All right. 645 00:25:31,639 --> 00:25:33,240 Both episodes. Twice. 646 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Right. I mean, I know you guys didn't really go for it, so... 647 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,399 Neither Matt nor I were convinced. 648 00:25:36,439 --> 00:25:37,600 No... We see a lot of scripts. 649 00:25:37,639 --> 00:25:39,639 Yes, of course, no, 650 00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:42,240 the only reason I mention it is I hope I haven't committed a faux pas, that's all. 651 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,000 A faux pas? I was talking to Tony this morning, and I... 652 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,639 Yes. I found myself talking about Home Truth in passing. 653 00:25:48,679 --> 00:25:50,199 I probably shouldn't have done, 654 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:51,760 but we'd got on to the issue of what the BBC is actually... 655 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,000 Yeah, sure. Anyway, 656 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,439 he asked me to leave it with him. 657 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,879 The it. The script. What? 658 00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:57,600 It's interesting, you realise, of course, 659 00:25:57,639 --> 00:25:59,399 he probably never gets the chance to actually read a script either. 660 00:25:59,439 --> 00:26:01,120 Yes. You forget. 661 00:26:01,159 --> 00:26:02,639 'Cause like you say, you guys are reading scripts all the time. 662 00:26:02,679 --> 00:26:04,240 Yes. Yes. Yes. 663 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Knock-knock. Ah, who's there? 664 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,120 Simon. Simon who? 665 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:15,560 Yes, exactly, who the hell cares? 666 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,000 Yes, come on in. 667 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,439 Well, this is all very lovely. It's nice, isn't it? 668 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,080 It's not an office, obviously. Of course not. 669 00:26:20,120 --> 00:26:21,919 It's actually a creative clearing. Brilliant. 670 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,919 And somewhere to put your bike. Brilliant, brilliant. 671 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,639 Well, thanks for dropping by. 672 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,199 Oh, no, always time for the great, you know... Great. Good. 673 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,439 ...the keeper of the... Yes, great, have a seat. 674 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Meanwhile, Ian has asked Director of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood 675 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,159 to step into his creative clearing and sit down. 676 00:26:35,199 --> 00:26:37,000 So, yes, no, just to keep you in the loop really... 677 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,919 Yes, no, ah, brilliant. Just, I'm sorry, Ian, 678 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,120 just before you go on, can I just say, for what it's worth, 679 00:26:41,159 --> 00:26:42,560 absolutely brilliant out there with the press... 680 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Oh, well. No, really beyond brilliant. 681 00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:46,800 Truly epic stuff. I mean, thank you. 682 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,879 It felt like a rather significant moment for all of us. 683 00:26:48,919 --> 00:26:50,439 Well, it was significant for me, obviously. 684 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,480 Actually made me feel proud to be part of the BBC, 685 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,439 if that doesn't sound too wanky a thing to say. 686 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,840 So, yes, so, with the logo refresh thing... 687 00:26:57,879 --> 00:26:59,439 Oh, yes, right. I mean, obviously 688 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,199 it's great to get Perfect Curve's take on this... 689 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,639 Yeah. And thank you for making all that happen, by the way. 690 00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:05,159 But I have to say, from a values point of view, 691 00:27:05,199 --> 00:27:08,040 if we're talking about being confident about who we are, 692 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,679 uh, if that's actually the brief here... 693 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,080 Brilliant. Then I think there's something strong in the idea 694 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:13,840 of staying with a trademark 695 00:27:13,879 --> 00:27:15,919 that's been part of the BBC from the very beginning... Brilliant. 696 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,560 ...and that gives it its distinctive identity, you know, in a crowded... 697 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,399 Very good, very strong. Because, I mean, in the end, 698 00:27:20,439 --> 00:27:22,439 it's the programmes anyway, isn't it? 699 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,159 I mean, it's the content 700 00:27:24,199 --> 00:27:25,800 that gives value to the brand, 701 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,240 not the brand that gives value to the content. 702 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:28,919 Lord, ha' mercy. Well, no... 703 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,360 No, honestly, I feel I want to stand up and clap. 704 00:27:31,399 --> 00:27:33,159 Well, no, please don't. No, brilliant, listen, 705 00:27:33,199 --> 00:27:35,960 so, I think what I might do now, if that's okay with you, Ian, 706 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,720 I'll just run this past Tony... Yes, of course, yes. 707 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,600 And for what it's worth, I can tell you now he'll practically... 708 00:27:40,639 --> 00:27:42,040 I mean, I have mentioned this to Tony, obviously. 709 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720 Oh, right! Yes. 710 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,280 And I have to say, I think he pretty much got it straightaway. 711 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,040 Oh, brilliant, brilliant. What, you've e-mailed him... 712 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,760 What? No. I mean, yes, obviously... 713 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,639 Brilliant. But, no, we just had a quick coffee earlier. 714 00:27:50,679 --> 00:27:51,919 I mean, he's so busy, isn't he? 715 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,280 It's ridiculous. 716 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,960 I mean, no, as I say, I think he could see it immediately, 717 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,600 maybe it touched a nerve. 718 00:27:58,639 --> 00:28:01,240 But, no, if you want to mention it to him as well, or again, 719 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,399 that'd be really great. 720 00:28:02,439 --> 00:28:04,560 Mmm. Good-o. Great, so that's all good. 721 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,919 Brilliant, brilliant. Brilliant. 722 00:28:18,439 --> 00:28:20,000 The thing is, I don't really want them either, Will. 723 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Okay, cool, so, like, what shall I do with them? 724 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:22,679 And where have they been, anyway? 725 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,159 You haven't been carrying them round all day? 726 00:28:24,199 --> 00:28:25,639 What? Yeah, no, I mean, I don't know. 727 00:28:26,679 --> 00:28:27,800 Hi, Lucy. Hi. 728 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,080 Yeah, hey. 729 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,520 You about to go? Almost finished, yes. Why? 730 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,879 I just got an e-mail from Anna. 731 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:34,439 Oh, right. What about? 732 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,800 They've commissioned two more scripts for some reason. Ah. 733 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,040 God knows why. I just phoned Dan to tell him. 734 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Well, that's brilliant. Yeah, brilliant. 735 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,000 He was making himself a cup of tea, he refused to believe it. 736 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,000 In the end, I had to forward him the e-mail to prove it. 737 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,240 So, some good news then. Oh, it's fantastic. 738 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:48,919 Yeah, do you want these? What? 739 00:28:48,959 --> 00:28:50,919 Well, Will... Yeah, no, you can have them, it's cool. 740 00:28:50,959 --> 00:28:52,320 What? We don't know what to do with them. 741 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,399 Who are they from? No, Will. 742 00:28:53,439 --> 00:28:55,080 They're from him. From him? 743 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,439 Yeah. 60683

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