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You name me one Cornish
newsreader or presenter
or whatever...

Who's out there at the moment.

And hopefully,
more on how those
badgers are getting on.

Is there something
we might be able to
find for Sally Wingate?

No.
Might it be worth thinking

about Britain's
Tastiest Village?

Fact is Village is
appointment-to-view
television.

You're telling me
we've lost Clare Balding?

I know it's not words
you want to hear.

We'd love you to
do the show, Carol.

It's like me in a restaurant
with Carol Vorderman.

I'm like "Guys, please,
whatever happens,
it's enough."

Now she says
she believes that could be
down to the Corporation's

institutional anti-West Country bias.

What?
Bollocks.

So that's happened.

Woman's Hour.

I've got you on
tomorrow with Jenni Murray.
Got me on?

All you need to do right now
is decide whether you
want to go up tonight

or catch the early train
in the morning.

Manchester?
No, bad luck.

Standby, two.
Mix through. Cue on two.

The BBC has
announced the appointment

of ex-head of Olympic
Deliverance, Ian Fletcher,

as its new Head of Values.

Time now for
the Shipping Forecast.

Superimpose.

There you go.

Oh, right, Tracey,
thanks, that's great.

Don't think I normally
do this, Ian.
No, I won't.

I'm not the sort of person
that gets the coffee in life. No.

It's Friday morning
and BBC Head of Values,
Ian Fletcher,

is at Euston Station with
BBC Communications Officer
Tracey Pritchard.

Is there chocolate on that?
No, there is not.

No, okay, right.

They're on their
way up to Manchester
so that Ian can take part

in a live interview on
Woman's Hour on Radio 4.

I mean, I have to say,
having slept on it,

I still don't know
why we're doing this.

It's Friday. I'm sorry,
but that's just the way it is.

Why is Woman's Hour
from Manchester on Fridays?

Ah, okay. That's a good
question, Ian. I'm not
being funny or anything

but I'm not sure
anyone knows that.

I mean, it's fine. That's
great, but why I couldn't

just do it down
the line from here...
Ah, no.

I mean, I have to say,
it's beyond me.

What it is, is, because
of the interest there
is in this, Ian,

because of the whole thing,
it's crucial you're seen to be
in the studio with Jenni.

It's radio.

With the BBC now
accused of ageism, sexism,

and institutional anti-West
Country bias in its treatment

of Spotlight South West
presenter Sally Wingate,

the Woman's Hour interview
is an important test
of Ian's purpose

as the Corporation's new
Head of Values and as a man.

Oh, right, here we go.
Hi, Siobhan...

Oh, right.
Best of luck with that.

Yes, I'm at Euston, actually.
I've just got on the train...

What do you mean, where?
I'm... No, wait,
hang on a minute.

Where are you?

Oh, bloody great.

Yeah, okay, okay,
I can see you now.

Yes, I know you can.
Comin' at ya.

Yes, I can see that too.

But with the PR
issues involved in something
as highly visible as this,

newly appointed Brand BBC
Consultant Siobhan Sharpe
from PR Company Perfect Curve

knows how vital it is to make
herself visible, too.

Okay, so let's do this.
Let's ride this train!

Yes. Great.
Let's nail this
puppy to the floor.

Oh, right. Okay.
Here we go.
What?

The Culture Secretary has been
on the Today Programme.

It's not
a good start to the journey.

In an interview on today's
Today Programme on Radio 4,

the Secretary of State for
Culture, Media and Sport

has expressed his
or her disappointment

about the way the BBC
has treated Sally Wingate.

What I'm going to do is,
if it's all right with you,
I want to use this time

to go through a few
scenarios with you, Ian.

Sure.
Right, well, I've been

thinking about this, obviously.
I'm sure you have, Ian,

but I'm not being funny or
anything but you're a man.
Well, yes.

And being a woman,
I can say this.

You're in very tricky
territory with this issue,
and it's live.

Yes. What I'm thinking...

Jenni's going to
want to talk about
Sally Wingate, obviously.

Obviously, yes.
Whereas, what I would
say to you is,

you don't want to do that.
No, my thought is,
the sooner I can...

What you want to be talking
about is Carol Vorderman. Right.

She's our trump card here,
and we're bringing her back
to the BBC in a big new show.

Well, yes.
She's a woman in her 50s,

she's good with
numbers and everything

and my husband always said
if he's gonna leave me for
anybody, it would be for her.

Did he?
He did, yes.
As it turned out,

he left me for a receptionist
in a BMW showroom.

Really?
But that's a different story

that doesn't alter
what I'm saying here.

Carol ticks
all the boxes for us.

We love Carol.

David, I don't understand
what you're saying to me.

I know, I just got this
text out of nowhere.

Yeah, but you're
not making sense.

I know. It's a nightmare.

Meanwhile,
back in London, experienced
producer Lucy Freeman

and entertainment
format producer
David Wilkes are in early.

I'm in the coffee queue as
usual, and I'm decaf first up,

'cause I'm in early,
it's a big day, and I'm
not going to max out

my caffeine levels because,
well, you know, because...
Yes, whatever.

Yeah. So, I'm standing there
and get, like, a text,

and look down and it's,
like, Clare Balding. Yes.

And I'm like,
"What the fuck?"
Yes.

With Carol Vorderman
coming in this morning

to discuss her presenting role
on Britain's Tastiest Village,

a major new flagship BBC One
show which she's eventually

agreed to co-host
with Alan Titchmarsh,

and with Head of Output,
Anna Rampton,
due to announce it

at a BAFTA Spirit of
Excellence Forum at lunchtime,

there's been some inexplicably
unforeseen news.

But even then, why would
she want to see us?
I know.

Why is she even
in the building?

Well, she's coming in later
for like, I don't know.
A horse thing, whatever.

Wanted to pop in
and say hi first.
But Carol's in this morning.

I know.
Well, I don't...

And how has this
even happened?
I know, tell me about it.

No, I'm asking you,
how has this happened?

I know, I just, like, got
a text out of nowhere.

It's gradually
emerging that Clare Balding,

the original choice to present
Britain's Tastiest Village,

is available after all
and apparently still
committed to the show.

So, I'm like, well,
I phoned Simon at ITV,
and apparently Clare

is so committed to Village
that she's like,

"I'm not going to do
How Big Is Your Dog? at all
unless they change dates."

No.
In the end, they were like,

"Yeah, okay, then,
whatever. Fine"

Oh, you're joking.
Yeah, I know.
Simon's practically suicidal.

Does Anna know?
Anna?

Have you told Anna?
Oh, yeah, right. Well, no.

Not yet.
I mean, not really.

I mean, this is your show,
David. I'm just, I mean...
I know.

I'm happy to help,
but for God's sake...
I know.

It's a nightmare.
So... Hang on, so when
you last spoke to Clare,

'cause you spoke to her,
didn't you?
Yeah, yeah.

How did you leave it with her
when the dates all went wrong?
Well, I mean, it was...

I mean, Clare was really
brilliant about everything.

You told her we were going
to have to move on

and everything,
you made that clear?

Yeah...
Oh...

We just had
a lovely chat, really.
Oh, you're kidding me.

You know what Clare's like,
lovely Clare.

So, nobody wrote
the letter to her?
Yeah. Right.

You know, or the e-mail saying
how sad we were to lose her?

How we completely
understood her situation,

and how reluctantly we
were going to have to
move on without her?

Yes, right, good. No.

Nobody did that?
I know. I just, like,
got this text out of nowhere.

Okay, so here's the thing with
this, guys, here's what it is.

Um, forget radio, forget
Jenni Murphy, forget all that.

Murray.
Excuse me?

Jenni Murray.
Sure, forget her.

How many people
listen to Women's Hour?
Uh, well...

Woman's Hour.
Sure. How many
people listen to it?

Well, I'm not sure
of the figures, but...
Okay, so how many people?

How many?
Well, okay. I don't know,

just to save time, I give up.
Exactly. Go figure. Whereas...

No, no, hang on. What is it?
What's the answer?

Exactly, that's my
point here, Ian. No one
even knows that shit.

3,470,000.
Excuse me?

The average weekly audience
of Woman's Hour is 3,470,000.

Okay, so that's like
a number, right?
Well, yes.

Plus they're going to be,
like, old people, right?

I mean, they're going to
be sitting there anyway.

Okay. How many people follow
Justin Bieber on Twitter?

45,000,000.
Okay, fine, that's...

45,000,000?
Sure.

God, that's depressing.
What's happening today is

Brand Fletcher, Head of,
um, like, Head of...

Head of Values.
Head of Values, yeah, cool.

Okay. Siobhan, for a start,
I don't actually tweet, okay?

So, I mean, I'm not
even on Twitter, so...
Na-ah.

And for another thing,
I'm sorry, Siobhan, I don't
want to be rude or anything

but Ian is not Justin Bieber.

Well, no, exactly.
And to be honest,
as far as I can see,

he's never going to be either.
I'm sorry, Ian.

No, that's fine.
I have to tell things
as they are.

Yes, of course.
Okay, so you
totally are on Twitter.

Yeah, what?
As of now, you have
14,000 followers.

What?

Meanwhile, somewhere
between London, Euston
and Manchester Piccadilly,

it's becoming clear that
Siobhan has had her
office at Perfect Curve

set up a Twitter account
for Ian in order to establish
his cultural capital.

So what happens is...
Guys, we are now
approaching Macclesfield.

Okay, so what happens is,
like, you tweet,

"Yay, on the train to
Manchester for Women's Hour.

"So excited, can't wait.
Catch me on Radio 2 at 10:00."

It's Woman's Hour.
Also, it's Radio 4,
just as a detail.

And then we tweet it
to Jamie Oliver.
Jamie Oliver?

Yeah, we love Jamie,
he owes us big.
But, Siobhan...

When he first came to us,
he didn't even have the lisp. Mmm...

So then Jamie re-tweets it,
and suddenly it's like
hashtag mashup city.

Yes, the one... One of the
design flaws with your
strategy, Siobhan, is,

that I haven't tweeted
that and I'm afraid I'm not
going to be tweeting that

or anything remotely like that
in the foreseeable future.

No, that's cool.
I'm sorry.

No, I'm good with that.
No, I tweeted it for you.

What?
Congratulations, Ian.
You've changed the game here.

Suddenly,
Jenni Murphy's nowhere.
It's Murray, okay?

It's Woman's Hour
with Jenni Murray
on Radio bloody 4.

Okay, I'm sorry, this
is wrong. We need
to talk about this.

Got a paradigm,
got to shift it, Ian.

No, you're not
actually listening.
Okay, I totally am listening.

What it is, is, you guys are
not saying the right stuff.

So you're collecting Carol?

You're picking up
Carol from reception?

Yes, hi. I was just...
Yes, no, that's fine.

And we're meeting her where?

Yes, I'll book
somewhere and I'll try,

and I'll find somewhere
that's free. Yes.

Good, because I've got
to be away by 10:45.

Right. Okay.

I'm getting a lift with Patten
to this BAFTA thing and
he likes to be bloody early.

Yes, no,
that should be fine.

And we're confident
Carol's on board?

Yes, I mean, yes,
I mean, yes.
What?

No, I mean, I'm sure
she's already decided,
basically, you know.

She's just coming in this
morning to give us
an opportunity to tell her

how fabulous she is. Right.

Yes, you know
how it is. Good.

Well, I hope you're right,
because this has been tight,

and I have to say
I'm not enjoying it at all.

Yes.

Oh, yes, 'cause, uh...
Yeah?

No, the other thing
that's happened...

What's also happened, Clare...
I mean, as it turns out,
can actually be,

and I think I'm right in
saying she is actually
coming in this morning,

yes, she is, in fact, is
actually available after all.

Clare?
Clare Balding. Yes.

Yes, so that's
a bit of a surprise.

It's perhaps worth reminding
ourselves, Sarah,

that 24 hours ago, this was
a story about so-called

institutional anti-West
Country bias within
the corporation.

@KirstieAllsopp, "Give Jenni
a big slobbery kiss from me".

She truly is the mother
of all presenters. Right.

...ageism and sexism...

At GeriHalliwell,
"Love, love, love Radio 4."

Brainy people talking.
Right, yes, thank you.

I love this, I so love it.

Meanwhile, Ian
has already arrived at
the Woman's Hour studio

at the BBC's iconic Media City
building in Salford,

and is waiting for his turn
with Jenni Murray.

Well, of course, the BBC has
been through all sorts of ups
and downs in its time,

particularly in the
last few years...

At rio35, "England shit
ever since Glenn Hoddle
was manager.

"Too much poverty
in the world."

Yes, I'm just watching this
if that's okay. Sure.

Thanks.
No, sure, that's a good idea.

We're all set up.

Right. Okay. Cool.

Just so you know, I've had
a word with Helen, the... Okay.

A word with Helen,
the producer,

and what I've done is,
basically here. Sure...

I've basically... Yep.

I'm talking to Ian, actually. Cool.

This is important.
No, sure, I'm good with that.

I prepped her on
Britain's Tastiest Village . Right.

But I didn't mention
Carol Vorderman. Okay.

I left that for you.

So hopefully,
that's going to help you
move the conversation

away from Sally Wingate...

And towards the principle
of a more diverse...

Towards Carol Vorderman.
Yes, exactly,
towards Carol Vorderman.

Which will be a surprise
for Jenni, because she won't
see that coming.

At which point you're pretty
much home and dry,
in my opinion.

Yes, good.
Okay. Okay.

"OMG, Vorderman and Titchmarsh
together at last, Sunday
nights BBC One? No way.

"Just gone seriously
weird at the knees".

I'm sorry?
I love Twitter. I so love it.

Who the hell's that from,
for God's sake?
That's from you.

From me?
Sure.

Right.
No, no, no. No.

Okay.
No, I'm sorry, Siobhan,
you can't do this.

No, I can. It's not an issue.

No, you can't just do
stuff like this on your own.
De nada.

Don't get me wrong
or anything, Siobhan.

I'm grateful for your input. Obviously. Sure.

But I've set this thing up as
an exclusive for Woman's Hour.

I mean, I'm about to announce
something live on radio... Sure.

But apparently
I've already tweeted about it.

You so have.
You just totally

bucket-sized
the whole audience
for everyone involved.

What?
You pre-tweeted this, Ian,

you're totally ahead of trend.

And here's the thing
with this, you'd better
get used to it, okay?

I mean, this is a fiddly one,
isn't it?

Fiddly?
It's really bad luck.

Meanwhile, 180 miles south
at New Broadcasting House

in London, other events
are happening,

but at exactly the same time.

And I'm looking down
at my phone. I'm like, no way.
I mean, no way.

Yep.
It is genuinely
hard to believe.

I know, it's like, how has
this even happened,
guys, you know?

Okay, but it has,
it's happened.
I know.

And you know, I mean,
you guys will know
what you want to do about it,

but I'm happy to help
you guys in any way I can. Yes.

With Carol Vorderman
due to arrive at any minute,

so is Clare Balding,

and an extraordinary meeting
of the Damage Limitation Group

chaired by Director
of Strategic Governance,
Simon Harwood

is already under way.

Ah, yes, oh, thank you, Izzy. Brilliant.

But, um, obviously
I haven't been
involved in the detail of this

and how you want to do this
is very much up to you,

and of course, Anna,
I know you're going
to have ideas, of course.

Well, I've said to Lucy...
No, I don't want that. Okay.

I said to Lucy, the fact is
that this needs to be sorted,
and it needs to be sorted now.

Oh, no, brilliant.
The fact is,
I've said that all along.

No, brilliant, Anna,
brilliant. Just to be clear
about where we are now,

is Carol actually contracted?

Well, exactly, yes.

Is Carol actually contracted?

Well, I mean she,
I mean, I've spent

the last two days on the phone
to her agents

trying to sell them
the idea of Alan Titchmarsh

as an A-lister,
and to Alan's agents
trying to sell them the idea

of Carol as a, you know,
trying to sell them
the idea of Carol.

Oh, no, no, brilliant Lucy,
well done, you.
Yeah, lovely Lucy.

So is Carol actually
contracted?

Well, I mean, not legally, no.

Okay, well, that's something.
No, but I mean, morally...

Oh, no, no, Brilliant.

I mean, she's coming in
this morning,

and after everything
we've said to her...

Oh, yes, no, no, brilliant.
No, no, absolutely.
Very strong.

Uh, so listen, um,
from the outside,

as someone who
hasn't been involved
in this at all,

I, look, I'll back you guys
whatever you decide
to do, okay,

so just take that as read.

I'm not quite sure
how thrilled Tony
will be with the idea

that we've got
Clare Balding...

so that's Dame
Clare Balding, okay?

So keen to do a BBC show
that she's had the,

the ITV schedule bent
out of shape in order
to do it,

and we're saying to her,
"You know what, Clare?

"Thanks, but
we're going to go
with someone else."

Yeah, I don't think she's
actually, like, a Dame?
Yes, well...

She's like some other...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, what the hell
do I know, but I guess

for what it's worth,
all I'm really saying is that

if you do have
to make a choice deciding

between one or the other,
then it probably
has to be Clare.

Yes.
Right, fine.

I mean, doesn't it?

Uh-uh.

The fact is, it's
appointment-to-view
television.

Fine.
I've said that all along.

Okay, can I say right now,
I'm not telling Carol, okay?
Yeah, lovely Carol.

I'm sorry, there's absolutely
no way I'm going to do that.
No, sure.

It's not fair to her
and given what's happened,
I really think

this should come from someone
at a senior level.

Oh, no, absolutely, Lucy.

That is absolutely
up to you guys.

I've already said
what I think.
Yeah, lovely Clare.

Good. Brilliant.

So iamfletcherbbc just got
re-tweeted by Dannii Minogue.

Right. Thank you.
I thought you might
want to know.

Is that good?
Good?

Good? It's like
instant penetration

in the gay community.
It's huge.

I suppose that's something
of a first for Radio 4.

You mention Carol Vorderman
as well, you practically
hit gay oil here.

Back up in Salford,
it's now nearly time

for Ian's unavoidable
interview on Woman's Hour
with Jenni Murray.

I don't want to worry you,
or anything,
but I just picked up an e-mail

from mission control. Right.

I'm not being funny or
anything, but I think
we might have

a bit of a situation
on our hands here.

What, a situation?
Yes, exactly, Ian.

What do you mean,
what sort of a situation?

Like I say,
I don't want to be negative
or anything,

but this feels to me like
it has the makings
of a major fuck-up.

Right. Okay. So...

Hi.
Hi, yes.

Still a few more
minutes to go,
but now might be a good time

to walk you into the studio,
Ian, if that's good for you?

Right.
Yes, of course that's...

Great.
Right, no, yes, yes, great.

Cool.

Stop all the clocks.
It's TV's Carol Vorderman.

Yes, this is Simon Harwood.

Oh, no, really, Izzy.
Carol doesn't care who I am.

She's Carol Vorderman,
for God's sake. Simon Harwood.

Hello, Simon.
So is Izzy

looking after you okay?
Oh, yes.

Yes, she's good, isn't she?
She certainly is.

Tragically, I'm just
on my way to a bloody meeting
with His Tonyship,

the Lord Director General,

otherwise I'd find
some excuse to stay.

But I couldn't go
without saying hi.
I'd never forgive myself.

Well, it's nice to meet you.

Fabulous to have
you in the building, finally.

Uh, so good luck in there.

Thank you.
Don't take any nonsense
from anyone.

Don't worry, I won't.
Excellent work.

Well, carry on,
everyone, brilliant.

Carol, hi. Hi.

Lucy.
Yes, of course. Hi, Lucy.

And Anna, of course.
Hi, Anna.

Carol, hi.
Really nice to see you again.

You too, for sure.
And David, of course.

For various reasons,

whether they know it yet
or not,

this is going to be
a decisive meeting
for all those involved,

especially for those
who don't know it yet.

Have to say, it's very funky
in here, isn't it?

Well, it is, really, yes.

It's not how I remember it,
all the crumbling corridors
that led nowhere.

I'm not sure I'm going to
be able to get used to this. No.

For Lucy, Anna and David,

their task is to find
a way of breaking
the bad news to Carol

in such a way
that it doesn't sound

like a giant
and protracted cock-up.

Plus, I suppose,
this is exactly
the kind of series

that the BBC
should be making. Exactly.

Yes, good.
It so is.

So, I mean, Anna... Sure.

...maybe we should,
maybe you can bring
Carol up to speed

with exactly where
we're up to with things?
No, sure.

Because there have been
one or two, erm...

Sorry, Anna.
Sorry everyone, excuse me.

No, that's okay, Jack.
Just, you know,

your car's here.
Okay, thanks.

And a message
from Lord Patten's office,

he's ready when you are.
Okay, thanks.

Wow.
Ah, yes.

Get you.
I am so sorry,

I'm going to have to go,
I'm afraid.
Sounds like you are.

The fact is, I'm supposed
to be at this BAFTA thing.

Lucky you.

Horrible timing. Yes.

But I wanted to be here
to at least say hi to you,

so I guess that's something.

Now, enjoy the, you know,
enjoy your water and look,

let's talk soon, okay?
Mmm-hmm.

Fantastic. I'll see you soon.

Bye now.
Bye. Bye, Anna.

Right, then.

Yes.

And with me now
is the BBC's new
Head of Values, Ian Fletcher.

Ian, welcome to Woman's Hour.

It's very good to be here,
Jenni, thank you.

We haven't got time for this.
I need to know from you now,

what Ian Fletcher can
and cannot say

to Jenni Murray
live on air right now,
because that is what

has happened here.
Like, three million
re-tweets.

Like major, major crapfest.

Meanwhile, back in London,
with all hands on deck,

another thing is
about to happen. Will...

Oh, yeah, hi. Yeah, hi.

You busy?
What, now? No.

Could you do something
for me?
Yeah, okay.

It's important.
That's okay.

I'd do it myself
but I can't be
too far away from...

Erm, doesn't matter,
it's complicated.
Okay, cool.

Basically, could you
go down to reception

and could you meet
Clare Balding?

Yeah.
You know who she is?

Yeah, I know her,
yeah. Horses. Right.

Um, she's down there now,
so could you

bring her up here?
Okay.

But um, I don't really
have time to explain it,
but we're in a bit of a...

Basically, could you, um,
without making it obvious,

could you delay her
getting up here

for as long as you
possibly can?

Okay, yeah, no worries.
Basically, we have to get

Carol Vorderman out
of the building

before she gets up here.
Okay, cool.

Are you sure
you're okay with that?
Yeah. With what?

With everything I just said
to you.
Oh, yeah, yeah.

No, that's cool, yeah.

Really, I will love you for
the rest of my life.

Okay, cool.

As we've been hearing,
there's been a great deal
in the media

about the Sally Wingate case.
Of, course, yes.

A lot of it, I have to say,
not very complimentary

about the role the BBC
has played in this.
Oh, no, look.

Of course, I'm aware
of that, Jenni,

it's very much part
of my job to be aware of it.

Because I mean,
there are those who say

this case is far from
an isolated one

and that it's part of
a worrying trend.

Well...
You're Head Of Values.

Absolutely, yes.
Well, is the BBC

sexist or ageist

in the way it treats
its female presenters?
Right...

Perhaps even both?
Right, yes.

I mean, obviously I'll talk
to your agent

and we can sort out
some kind of...
Oh, definitely.

Apparently, the most common
last word the pilots
say before they crash...

No, please just shut up.
Yeah, okay.

Yes, please shut up, David. Yeah.

No, get off, I am going to,
this has got to...
We've just been

retweeted by Enrique Iglesias.

He absolutely cannot
mention Carol Vord...

Younger women
just there to look good,
but it's the men,

and let's face it,
often older men,
who are taken seriously.

Well, here again, Jenni,
I have to say...

That's seven million people
all over the world...
I'm sorry,

I'm not going to let you,
I'm sorry, get off.

...Any opportunity
we can behind the scenes,

and indeed in front
of the scenes

where it's perhaps
more visible, to move

beyond the old stereotypes.

But specifically... Yes.

Because generalisations
are all very well...
Absolutely, yes.

I know, I know.
I don't know,

absolutely no idea.

No, just arrived.
Still in reception.

I just got a tweet off Gabby
about five minutes ago.

Something about
Carol Vorderman.

And since then, it's just gone
absolutely crazy.

Back in reception at New
Broadcasting House,
Clare Balding,

who as an OBE,
has half a million
Twitter followers herself,

has arrived, on the phone to
her agent.

Fi, I've got to go.
I'll call you
when I know stuff. Okay?

Yep, all right, bye. Bye-bye.

Hi, Clare?
Yes. Hi.

Yeah, hi, yeah, cool.
I'm Will, so I'm kind of
like an intern?

Great, shall we go in?
Cool, yeah,

so can I get you
a coffee or something?

No, no, no, I'm fine, thanks. Cool,

or you know, like,
a slice of apple tart?

Apple tart?
Yeah, I don't know,
it could be anything.

No, really, I'm fine.
Shall we...

Yeah, cool, yeah, no, cool,
yeah, no worries.

How are you?
How am I?

Yeah, I just mean, yeah.

I'm fine, thanks. Cool.

You know, I've got
a pass and everything...
Cool, yeah, that's cool.

Yeah, I know. Just cool. Hmm.

I love horses.
My sister had one.

Great.
Yeah, a really big one.

Lovely.
I used to have to feed it
some mornings

but then it, um,
like, got out?

No, look, what I would say

is we're always striving
to be better

and to learn from our,
from experience,

and if there is a general
lesson to be learned here,

we're absolutely committed
to finding out
what that lesson is

and learning it going forward.

Who is this idiot?
Yeah, I don't know him.

Are we moving?
Yeah, say again?

Are we actually
going anywhere?
Yeah, okay. Cool.

Very interesting
question, Jenni,

and we're hoping
that rationality, not,
not downsizing in that sense,

but I think in the sense
of, "What is the rationale?
What is the BBC about?

"Where are we going?
Where have we been,
and how do we get there?"

Doors opening.

Oh, hey, Clare. Right.

Doors closing. Fine.

Clare, hi, can I get you
a coffee or something?

No, you know what?
I don't want
a bloody coffee. Thanks.

No, she doesn't want that.
Right. Okay.

Okay, cool, yeah, no worries.

Lift going down.

Tracey, hi.

Not great.

No, no. Really not great.

I'd like to talk
about the practicalities

of this on the ground,
if I may?

Yes, of course. Yes.

Vor-der-man.
Is that confirmed?

Yes. Vor-der-man.

Right.

Right, yes
What exactly
will that mean

in practical terms?
Right.

I suppose what I'm asking is,

how will we know
when you've learned
that lesson?

No, of course,
that's a very good question

and you're right
to ask it, Jenni.

For instance - I've got
to be a bit careful
about what I say here

because I think
we are actually
announcing this later today,

but...
Clare Balding either!

For those who don't know,
that's a show
with Alan Titchmarsh.

Exactly, yes,
and without giving
too much away...

Don't mention it!
Talk about anything!

One example that's in my mind
at the moment because,
as I say,

we are announcing it
later today...

I am actually quite strong.

I think I am allowed to say
at this stage, in fact,
I'm going to say it anyway,

we've been talking
to Sally Wingate,

who, by the way, is one
of our most experienced
regional women,

women presenters,
I mean, obviously.

We've been talking to her
about the possibility

of her working
on that show,

presenting alongside,
as you say,

with the great
Alan Titchmarsh,

and yes, now, I have to say,
without giving too much away,

that we're very much hoping
that will happen.

Well, if...
And of course in terms
of the age issue,

if we could pull
that off, that would give them

a combined on-screen
presenting age of something
north of 120 years old,

which is a very
exciting thought.

So no, yes, we're particularly
pleased about that,

and so no, yes,
that's all good.

Brilliant.
I just felt somebody
had to take a decision.

No, brilliant, brilliant.

It's been a long day.

But by the end of it,

Ian has made
the necessary journey
from Salford to London

in order to get back
to New Broadcasting House.

I mean, between you and me,
this is exactly how this thing
should have turned out

from the beginning.
Well, the...

I mean, honestly,
I've just left Alan and Tony,

literally skipping around
the office together.

Right, good. I mean,
I haven't spoken
to Anna yet.

Well, I hope she's okay
about the way things...
Well, what do you think?

Well, I mean...
I would say that Anna's

come out of this really
rather gorgeously... Right.

...which you have to say
is one of Anna's
great, great strengths.

Right, yes.
Now honsetly, I can't tell
all this stuff

about why the hell do we need
a Head of Values?

Yes, w...what?
Like Tony was saying,

you know, now finally,
we know.

Right.
Just brilliant, brilliant. Brilliant.

For Ian, it's Friday evening

and at the end of another week
as the BBC's
new Head of Values,

all that's left now
is to finally
get back to his flat.

...Sally Wingate
is a fresh, new face
and well, okay,

she's new anyway,
and we just thought the idea
of Alan on BBC One

with someone who wasn't
either Clare Balding,
or in fact, Carol Vorderman

was just a really exciting
way to go
with the whole...

No, right. I mean,
so maybe the thing to do,
then, is for Alan

to have a think about it
and then, you know...

No, okay. Well, obviously
that's a different way
of looking at it,

I mean, I wouldn't use
either of those words, but...

Right, okay, no, yes,
well, thank you
for phoning, Donna,

and thanks for putting us
in the picture, so...

Yes, and as I say,
we're still absolutely...

Yes, okay, bye, then, Donna.
Thank you, you too. Okay, bye.

Bye. Right.

Hi.

How's it going?
Fine, yes. Fine.

Right.
Lift going down.

Sorry, I really
wasn't listening.
But was that...

Yes, that was Donna, yes,
Alan Titchmarsh's agent. Right.

So...
Yes, he's pulled out too
now, yes.

Right.
So yes, pretty much
a clean sweep.

I'm sorry if...
I hope I haven't...
No, no.

I was in a bit
of a tight spot. Yes.

I'm afraid it all
got a bit...
No, really, don't worry,

this is quite normal. Right.

Really? Is it?
Yes, this is a pretty
ordinary day.

Right. I have to say,
it didn't feel
very ordinary to me.

No, but it will do soon.
Don't worry, really.

Right, well... Yes.

Doors opening.

Right, well, another week. Yes.

Which way do you...
I'm Camden, yes.

Right.
Or Kentish Town, really,

depends who I'm talking to. Right.

What about you?
Err, Maida Vale, yes.

Right.
No other way
of really saying that.

No.

Well, see you on Monday
for more, I suppose.

Yes. More of what?

I don't know, more of this,
I suppose. Yes.

See you Monday, then, yes.
Right, bye.

Bye.