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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,719 --> 00:00:14,799 Standby, two. Mix through. Cue on two. 2 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,439 The BBC has announced the appointment 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,119 of ex-head of Olympic Deliverance, Ian Fletcher, 4 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,160 as its new Head of Values. 5 00:00:26,759 --> 00:00:28,639 Time now for the Shipping Forecast. 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:32,159 Superimpose. 7 00:00:47,559 --> 00:00:49,360 It's a Monday morning 8 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,640 and one-time Head of London Olympic Deliverance, 9 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,559 Ian Fletcher, is arriving in central London. 10 00:00:54,599 --> 00:00:57,559 He's about to start a new chapter in his life. 11 00:00:57,599 --> 00:00:59,760 It's a big change for me, obviously. It's a big job. 12 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,400 A huge challenge. A bit like the first day at big school. 13 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,560 I've splashed out on a new bike though, just in case. 14 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:06,360 So that's all good. 15 00:01:06,399 --> 00:01:09,280 He's come to New Broadcasting House in Upper Regent Street, 16 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:12,759 to take up his position as Head of Values at the BBC, 17 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,920 a key and very senior new post, 18 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:17,000 specifically created in the light of recent 19 00:01:17,039 --> 00:01:19,160 learning opportunities at the corporation. 20 00:01:23,679 --> 00:01:25,600 Hi, Izzy. It's Ian. Hi. 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,960 So, I'm Ian Fletcher. Yes, hi. 22 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,000 So, I'm actually in reception and... Oh, right. Okay. 23 00:01:32,039 --> 00:01:35,520 Well, not so far. I mean, I've been here five minutes. 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,839 No, no. That's fine. Could you? That would be great. 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 Okay. No, don't worry. That's fine. Okay, thanks. Bye. 26 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,039 There's something about the place as soon as you come in. 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,360 You're aware that you're at the centre of something genuinely important, 28 00:01:47,399 --> 00:01:50,199 and the really exciting thing is to think that part of my job 29 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,800 is going to be trying to establish where that centre is 30 00:01:52,839 --> 00:01:55,119 and also exactly what it's in the middle of. 31 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Y'ello. Yeah. Hi, Izzy. Hi. How are you? Yeah, I am. 32 00:02:01,839 --> 00:02:05,800 No, I mean, not. No, I haven't, not actually. Oh, right, cool. 33 00:02:05,839 --> 00:02:08,799 Okay, cool. Yeah, good idea... Say again? 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,759 Yeah, yeah. No worries. I've got it. You sent it to me. 35 00:02:10,799 --> 00:02:13,720 Yeah, yeah. Okay. Cool. Okay. Bye-bye. Bye. 36 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,160 Hello? Yeah. Hi, is that Ian Fletcher? 37 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,280 Yes, it is, yes. Cool. Yeah, so, I'm Will. 38 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:25,280 I'm like, I'm meeting you? Yes. 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,640 So, like, where actually are you? 'Cause I'm, like, I'm basically here. 40 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,120 Yes. So, I'm talking on the phone, uh, I'm looking round. 41 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,120 Still talking. I'm looking. Looking... 42 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,440 Hi. No way. 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,040 Hello. Ian Fletcher. 44 00:02:37,079 --> 00:02:39,560 Yeah, hi. I'm Will. Except I've actually been here all the time. 45 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:40,720 Yes, so have I. That's just, like... 46 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,560 That's just, like, mental. Yes. 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Yeah, 'cause I'm actually, like, an intern. Yeah. Oh, right. I see. 48 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:48,200 What does that involve exactly? Yeah. Say again? 49 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:50,359 You want to end up working in this area eventually? 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Well, do you mean, like, like, as a job? Well, yes. 51 00:02:53,079 --> 00:02:54,799 Well. Yeah. Cool. Yes. 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Sixth floor. 53 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,239 What I'm doing is, I have to take you to Izzy. 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:02:59,600 Right. And who's Izzy? 55 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:01,280 What? She's, yeah, she's... I mean, it's not like... 56 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,480 A-ha! Oh, hi. Yes. Simon. 57 00:03:03,519 --> 00:03:05,400 All hail the mighty Fletcher. Well, no. 58 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,280 Welcome to the madhouse. Yes. 59 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,920 Simon Harwood is the BBC's Director of Strategic Governance 60 00:03:10,959 --> 00:03:12,720 and underneath it all is probably one of 61 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,040 the corporation's most strategic directors. 62 00:03:15,079 --> 00:03:17,079 It's a good bike, by the way. Yes, thanks. 63 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,760 Yeah, cool. So, yeah, we're going to see Izzy. 64 00:03:18,799 --> 00:03:20,880 Oh, no, that's okay. No, but I have to take him to Izzy. 65 00:03:20,920 --> 00:03:23,000 Oh, no, that's fine. I think Izzy was bringing him to me anyway. 66 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,679 Oh. Okay. 67 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,160 That's great, Will. I'll take it from here. Yeah, cool. No worries. 68 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,600 So... Yes. 69 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,079 What do you think of it so far? Good. Yes. 70 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,760 You know, early days, but so far, so good. 71 00:03:33,799 --> 00:03:35,280 Are you okay with that like that? Yes, no. That's fine. 72 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,720 I've got one. They're brilliant, aren't they? 73 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,640 Yes, no, they're great, yes. So I'm looking forward 74 00:03:38,679 --> 00:03:40,720 to getting started, you know, and just generally... 75 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,799 No, I'm sorry. I can't. That's just not. I can't just... 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,399 Well, no, no, no. I mean it's... 77 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,600 It's probably better to start again. Well, no, you... 78 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,560 Really, it's very easy. It's just a knack. 79 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,720 Yes. 80 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,760 Let me just take that. Thank you. 81 00:03:52,799 --> 00:03:55,920 So, basically, it's just the back wheels. Forward and under. 82 00:03:55,959 --> 00:03:58,280 Right, yes. And then you've got your front wheel. There you go. 83 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,560 It's out and round. Yes. Round. Yes. 84 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Just drop the saddle down. Yes, exactly. 85 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,160 And there. Yes. 86 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Brilliant, aren't they? Yes, they are. Yes. Thanks. 87 00:04:07,239 --> 00:04:09,000 Listen, once you've got your bearings and everything, 88 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,040 be good to have a coffee. Right, yes. 89 00:04:11,079 --> 00:04:12,640 I mean, if you can be arsed. No, absolutely. 90 00:04:12,679 --> 00:04:15,679 Come and find me. I'm just past Norman Wisdom on the right. 91 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,920 Right. I'll just get myself sorted out first. Oh, yes. Sure. 92 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:20,159 Probably should find my office and everything. 93 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:21,680 Yeah. 94 00:04:24,159 --> 00:04:26,680 So, the question we asked ourselves is, 95 00:04:28,159 --> 00:04:30,560 how would it be if things didn't have to be 96 00:04:30,599 --> 00:04:33,760 the way we know they actually are, yes? 97 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,120 What would a world look like if it was different? 98 00:04:36,159 --> 00:04:38,039 New Broadcasting House was designed 99 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,240 and built virtually from the ground upwards, 100 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:43,640 and there are regular digital handshake sessions for new staff. 101 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Today's run by Senior Technical Services Choreographer, Adam Brady. 102 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,919 The whole point about intuitive technology, 103 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,039 as opposed to intelligent technology, which is basically 104 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,200 just lights going on and off in toilets, yes? 105 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,880 The whole point about intuitive technology, 106 00:04:58,919 --> 00:05:02,719 being that it comes pre-loaded into the building itself, okay? 107 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,599 Welcome to your virtual PA. 108 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,599 One unified system that changes the game, integrates your world, 109 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,520 synchs you with everything and everyone around you, 110 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:16,039 without you doing anything. 111 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,520 Synchs you to the BBC itself, 112 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,039 in real-time, wirelessly, continuously and in real-time. 113 00:05:22,919 --> 00:05:24,880 Eleven years in development, 114 00:05:24,919 --> 00:05:29,599 guys and everyone, I give you Syncopatico. 115 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:34,520 Fucking hell! 116 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,359 And of course the angle they're going with is, 117 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,960 if Paxman can fall asleep on air, 118 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,719 what's it like for the viewers? 119 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,719 Yeah, of course they are. And we're saying he wasn't asleep? 120 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:54,440 No. We're saying he was concentrating on the answer he was being given. 121 00:05:54,479 --> 00:05:56,599 Right, and who was he interviewing again? Alex Salmond. 122 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:57,760 Ah, okay. Yes. 123 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,200 I know, but that's what we're saying, okay. 124 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,520 Right. Okay, good. All righty. 125 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,240 Meanwhile, in Tommy Cooper, 126 00:06:04,280 --> 00:06:07,240 the daily Senior Team Damage Limitation Meeting, 127 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,359 chaired by Director of Strategic Governance, Simon Harwood, 128 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:11,599 is already underway. 129 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,200 Ah, right. Good. Ah. Thank God. 130 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,080 Apologies, everybody. The great man. 131 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,799 First of all, the meeting wasn't in my Syncopatical, for some reason. 132 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:20,799 No, no, of course. And then when Will came to find me, 133 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:23,359 we ended up on the wrong floor. Didn't we, Will? Yeah, totally, yes. 134 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Yes. Anyway, many apologies. No, no, no, come on in. 135 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,840 Actually, Will, would you just take that for me? 136 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Yeah. Sure, no worries. 137 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,280 Cool. 138 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,440 So, I mean, what... No, just take it. 139 00:06:34,479 --> 00:06:35,960 Okay. Cool. Thanks. 140 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,599 Brilliant. I don't know whether you know everyone. 141 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,240 On the Damage Limitation Team, Ian will be joining 142 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:43,680 Head of Output Anna Rampton, recruited last year from her role 143 00:06:43,719 --> 00:06:46,200 as Head of Daytime Factuality at ITV, 144 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,200 current Controller of News and Current Affairs Neil Reid, 145 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,760 Senior BBC Communications Officer Tracey Pritchard, 146 00:06:52,799 --> 00:06:55,640 who as well as having been with the corporation 147 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,159 for nearly 20 years is also Welsh, 148 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,280 and two other people. 149 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:59,599 So we've had The Independent 150 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,120 and then The Telegraph has dug up his guy 151 00:07:01,159 --> 00:07:02,919 from Mebyon Kernow from somewhere. 152 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,359 Yes, I saw that. From Cornwall, presumably. 153 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,880 Now, I'm not being funny or anything, 154 00:07:06,919 --> 00:07:09,799 but this guy is in all probability a total nutcase, okay? 155 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,280 But his thing is there aren't enough Cornish voices and faces 156 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,080 on the BBC and that Cornish issues in general are under-represented. 157 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,599 Yeah, bollocks. Brilliant. 158 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,159 Now, I don't know what's going on in the rest of his life, 159 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:20,640 but that's what he goes around thinking. 160 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Anyone? Any thoughts? Two words. Rick Stein. 161 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Okay, so what he's saying about Rick Stein is, 162 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,200 he's saying we sent him off round China or I don't know, 163 00:07:28,239 --> 00:07:30,359 wherever we've actually sent him now. Is it China? 164 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,359 Uh... Yeah. Okay, well, wherever. 165 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:33,919 India. Oh, yes, India. Yes. 166 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,960 Anyway, his point is, we should have kept him in Cornwall, 167 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,400 where he belongs, with his little dog 168 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,320 and his Land Rover and whatever. 169 00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:41,560 We gave China to Caroline Quentin last year at ITV, if you remember. 170 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:43,280 Oh, that's right, yes. You so did. 171 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,719 Forgive me, but honestly, what the fuck are Cornish issues? 172 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:48,599 I'm sorry, guys. I'm not being funny or anything, 173 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,359 but this is like finding a spot on your whatsit. Brilliant. 174 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:52,880 Better to deal with it now 175 00:07:52,919 --> 00:07:54,560 than ignore it and see what happens. 176 00:07:54,599 --> 00:07:57,000 I mean, I don't know. Is this something you'd want to be 177 00:07:57,039 --> 00:07:59,520 across in terms of values, Ian? 178 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:01,919 Yes. No, absolutely. I'm just thinking... 179 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,760 'Cause if anything, it's probably more a values issue, 180 00:08:03,799 --> 00:08:06,080 you know, rather than anything else. 181 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:07,919 Yes, no, I mean, yes, absolutely. Good. Good. 182 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,159 So I should probably just mention that to Tony this afternoon. 183 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,760 Uh-huh. 184 00:08:12,799 --> 00:08:15,719 Okay, great. Good-oh. This is all going terribly well. 185 00:08:17,799 --> 00:08:21,520 With a gap before his next meeting, there's time at last for Ian 186 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,799 to explore some of the possibilities offered 187 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:28,039 by the open plan work environment in New Broadcasting House. 188 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:43,760 No, I know exactly what you mean. 189 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,600 Well, I mean, you say that 190 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,520 but the fact is, a few years ago, Alan Titchmarsh was voted 191 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,000 the world's second sexiest man after George Clooney. 192 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,400 No. I'm not, really. You can look it up. 193 00:08:55,439 --> 00:08:58,360 Okay, look forward to hearing from you, Annabelle. 194 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,880 Okay, bye. Bye. 195 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,120 Hi. Sorry, I don't want to disturb you. I was just... 196 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,880 I wouldn't, if I were you. Right. 197 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,319 Oh, right. They've been there for four days. 198 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,040 Right. I think he's in Drama. 199 00:09:10,079 --> 00:09:13,199 Oh. Okay. Well... Yes, he is. Drama. Yes. 200 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,839 Right, well, okay. Well, thanks anyway. 201 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,600 Right. 202 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,680 You can use this one for a while, if you're desperate. Oh, well... 203 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,079 I shouldn't really. I mean, are you sure? 204 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,480 I knew I wouldn't be able to keep it up. Typical. 205 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Oh, right. Well, thanks. Thank you. 206 00:09:30,199 --> 00:09:33,400 Sorry, I won't disturb you any more. That's okay. 207 00:09:33,439 --> 00:09:34,800 But I have to ask... Sure. 208 00:09:34,839 --> 00:09:36,439 ...that thing about Alan Titchmarsh... Right, yes. 209 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:37,920 That's not actually true, is it? 210 00:09:37,959 --> 00:09:39,720 Yes. No, it's not. 211 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,400 It is, yes. But I mean... 212 00:09:41,439 --> 00:09:43,439 What, you more of a Clooney man? What? No, well, but that's... 213 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:44,920 It was a survey. 214 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:46,280 Well, who the hell was voting? 215 00:09:46,319 --> 00:09:48,199 I don't know. Maybe it was out of two. 216 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,520 Producer Lucy Freeman has been with the BBC for eight years, 217 00:09:51,560 --> 00:09:55,120 and as such is both an experienced producer and still there. 218 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Following an unforeseen rationalisation within her department, 219 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,880 she's recently been invited to work on the sorts of programmes 220 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,400 she never dreamed she'd be invited to work on when she originally joined. 221 00:10:04,439 --> 00:10:06,520 I think we're almost there with Alan now, aren't we, David? 222 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:07,640 Yeah. Which is good, obviously. 223 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:09,480 Lovely Alan. 224 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,439 Britain's Tastiest Village has been theoretically devised by 225 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,000 Entertainment Format Producer David Wilkes, 226 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,600 and is to be theoretically hosted by the dream team 227 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,920 of Alan Titchmarsh and Clare Balding. 228 00:10:18,959 --> 00:10:21,640 It's been commissioned by Head of Output Anna Rampton, 229 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:24,520 and she's asked David and Lucy into her orbit for an update. 230 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:25,920 We've done the deal. 231 00:10:25,959 --> 00:10:27,319 David? Pretty much, yeah. 232 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,920 We haven't done the deal. Yeah, pretty much. 233 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:31,000 I left a message with his agents earlier. All right. Cool. 234 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,160 The fact is we need Alan locked in by now. Yes. 235 00:10:33,199 --> 00:10:35,640 Yeah, no, it's fine. It's like Alan's just totally cool about everything. 236 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:37,880 Yes, but... I think he's a lot happier in his life now, basically. 237 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Shit, can you tell Danny I can't do Friday? Sure. Yep. 238 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:41,760 Okay. What about Clare? 239 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,640 Right. Lovely Clare. 240 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,720 Yes, so where are we up to with Clare now, David? 241 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,000 Okay, so, with Clare, it's just a bit more, it's like... 242 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,600 A bit more what? Okay, can I just say, okay, this is so not our fault. 243 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,280 But there's bad news. 244 00:10:54,319 --> 00:10:58,120 The dates of How Big Is Your Dog?, a major new ITV show, 245 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,160 to which Clare Balding is already committed, 246 00:11:00,199 --> 00:11:04,280 have changed at the last minute, due to genuinely bad luck. 247 00:11:04,319 --> 00:11:05,880 So you're telling me what? 248 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,360 Well, basically, we love Clare. 249 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,079 And I said to her on the phone, "If I had my way, Clare, 250 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:10,920 "you would literally be Queen." 251 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:12,719 Mind you, she pretty much already is and she was like, "Oh, shut up." 252 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Tuesday's gone away now, right? Good. Okay. Yep, gone. 253 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:17,560 You're telling me we've lost Clare Balding. 254 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,319 Uh, well, we... 255 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:20,920 I mean, if what David's saying is true, 256 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:23,160 and I'm hearing it for the first time now, 257 00:11:23,199 --> 00:11:27,199 then it does look as if we might have lost Clare, doesn't it? 258 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,439 Right. I know. It's not words you ever want to hear. 259 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,199 Apparently, okay, the most common last word the pilots say before they crash, 260 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:36,719 right, is "Shit". Can he shut up? 261 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,240 Yes. Can you please shut up, David? Yes, all right. 262 00:11:54,680 --> 00:11:56,719 Come on in. Excuse the mess. Thanks. 263 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,319 So there is such a thing as an office, then? 264 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,040 No, sadly not. No door. 265 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:01,640 Well, it looks pretty much like an office to me. 266 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:03,640 What it is, technically, as an interactive space. 267 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:05,439 Right, is it? If anyone's interested. 268 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,719 Right. Well, I suppose we'd better do some interacting quick then. 269 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,880 Absolutely. Oh, well, have a seat, if you can be bothered. 270 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,400 You know Ben and Jerry, don't you? The... 271 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,400 Hi. 272 00:12:14,439 --> 00:12:16,480 I know. Real names. What are the chances? 273 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,280 Director of Strategic Governance Simon Harwood has invited Ian 274 00:12:19,319 --> 00:12:22,880 into his interactive space for an informal chinwag. 275 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,120 ...just to get a sense of how you wanted to play things 276 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,319 and what all our lives are going to be like in the Fletcher era. 277 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,719 Yes. Well, I mean, with Way Ahead... Yep. 278 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,439 I've done some thinking obviously. Great. See? 279 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,280 A key part of Ian's new role as Head of Values 280 00:12:36,319 --> 00:12:39,439 is to establish a new Way Ahead Task Force, 281 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,760 with a remit to think big thoughts 282 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,880 and to clarify the purpose of the BBC in a digital age. 283 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,000 I mean, I don't know whether you had a chance to look 284 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,079 at the Pathfinding document. 285 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,880 The... Ah, okay. You haven't seen that. 286 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,839 Have we seen that? Nope. 287 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,959 Apparently, I haven't seen it. Sorry. 288 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,880 'Cause I did put it in the "Shared Priorities" folder in Syncopatico. 289 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,439 Oh, right. Okay. At least I think I did. 290 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,120 You haven't got anything on paper. Paper? 291 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Yep. Oh, no, it's in my personal folder, 292 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:06,880 so there must be a way of... 293 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Oh, I tell you what happens now. This is where Izzy comes in. 294 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,120 She does something brilliant and everything's lovely again. Okay. 295 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,439 With the renewal of the BBC's Royal Charter on which the future 296 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,400 of the corporation depends, due in 2016, 297 00:13:17,439 --> 00:13:19,439 finding an answer to the question 298 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,360 "What Is the BBC For?" before then could potentially be important. 299 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,959 Thank you, Izzy. 300 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,680 You okay for coffee? Yeah, fine, thanks. 301 00:13:28,719 --> 00:13:31,520 Maybe later. Okay. 302 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:35,160 Right, good. So, no, yes, it's obviously very much big picture stuff at this stage... 303 00:13:35,199 --> 00:13:36,920 Brilliant. 304 00:13:36,959 --> 00:13:39,000 But as well as thinking about what the BBC is for, 305 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,120 it's clear that Simon is also keen to think some big thoughts about Cornwall. 306 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:43,640 So what I thought was... 307 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:46,480 No, brilliant. And when it comes to this bloody Trescott guy... 308 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,360 Right, okay. I mean, that's a different, uh... 309 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:49,680 Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? 310 00:13:49,719 --> 00:13:51,000 What do you think we should do? 311 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,599 Right. I suppose my thinking is, with that, 312 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:54,839 sometimes it's a good idea 313 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,839 to reach out to these people, rather than... 314 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,079 Brilliant. ...you know, to make them feel they've been listened to 315 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,959 and they generally... You think you should meet him. 316 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,800 Yes, I mean... Get him up from Cornwall and get him in here. 317 00:14:03,839 --> 00:14:06,240 Well, I mean, obviously that's something I've... God. That is amazing. 318 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,199 Have you been talking to Tony about this? Tony... 319 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,839 Tony. Director General guy. Yes, no, of course. No, I haven't, but in fact... 320 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,280 'Cause Tony is the king of the personal approach, isn't he? 321 00:14:13,319 --> 00:14:15,079 Uh-huh. Because one thing I have been thinking, 322 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,360 it would be good to sit down and have a coffee 323 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,839 with Tony myself at some point. 324 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,920 Yes. Absolutely. I mean, if that's possible. 325 00:14:21,959 --> 00:14:24,000 No, I think that's a great idea, Ian. Right. 326 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,800 No, we should definitely think about that. Mmm-hmm. 327 00:14:45,599 --> 00:14:47,319 Carol, this is Anna Rampton, Head of Output. 328 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:48,760 Yes. Hello. Hello. 329 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,640 And David Wilkes, Producer and Format Originator. 330 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,959 Hi. I know we haven't started yet, but can I just say, 331 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,800 I never want this lunch to end. 332 00:14:54,839 --> 00:14:57,479 Meanwhile, elsewhere, it's a different day altogether 333 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,439 and somewhere in central London, Anna Rampton, David Wilkes and Lucy Freeman 334 00:15:01,479 --> 00:15:03,839 are meeting Carol Vorderman for salad. 335 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,199 I mean, I suppose basically, in a nutshell, I suppose you could say... 336 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,920 I mean, David, do you want to talk about... No, that's cool. Go for it. 337 00:15:08,959 --> 00:15:12,719 Right, I suppose you could say it's a sort of Countryfile meets Bake Off. 338 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,199 Okay. 339 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,160 Yeah, with a bit of The One Show thrown in, just in case. 340 00:15:16,199 --> 00:15:18,040 Absolutely, yes. We're like, no one's ever actually done this before. 341 00:15:18,079 --> 00:15:20,199 No, I'm not... I'm not surprised. 342 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,839 With Anna due to formally announce Britain's Tastiest Village next week, 343 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,000 they know that after the unavoidable loss of Clare Balding, 344 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,160 this is their chance to save the show 345 00:15:29,199 --> 00:15:33,439 and change the face of Sunday evening television, for either better or worse. 346 00:15:33,479 --> 00:15:35,079 And then it's like, well, which is better? 347 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,640 Your school kids' sandwiches in Sandwich... Yes. 348 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,000 Or Alan's old people's Eccles cakes in Eccles? Yes. 349 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 But Sandwich is a town. It isn't a village. 350 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,880 Yeah, but for us, it's sort of a village. 351 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Obviously... Thanks. 352 00:15:48,079 --> 00:15:50,839 Obviously, David's still finalising the details. Yes, obviously. 353 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,040 But we just thought, we know it's a long shot, 354 00:15:53,079 --> 00:15:55,560 but this is a big show for us. No, I don't want this. 355 00:15:55,599 --> 00:15:57,599 Oh. But... Okay. I don't want it. 356 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,880 So, yes, so we just found ourselves thinking, "I wonder if there's any way 357 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,839 "in the world we might be able to get Carol Vorderman interested." 358 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,199 Yeah. Okay. 359 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,280 You know, 'cause to have Carol Vorderman on the BBC, 360 00:16:07,319 --> 00:16:08,680 in prime-time, finally, that would... 361 00:16:08,719 --> 00:16:11,000 The fact is we'd love you to do this show, Carol. 362 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,040 I mean, I'm not going to let myself think about it. I can't... 363 00:16:13,079 --> 00:16:15,599 We also think it would be really great for you. Mmm, yes. 364 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 I mean, for me, it's like, me, in a restaurant, with Carol Vorderman. 365 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:22,240 I'm like, "Guys, please, whatever happens, it's enough. It's enough." 366 00:16:25,719 --> 00:16:27,359 Nigel. Hi. 367 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,599 Meanwhile, back in W1A, 368 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,959 Mebyon Kernow bigwig and Cornish eminence grise 369 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,160 Nigel Trescott has arrived at New Broadcasting House 370 00:16:36,199 --> 00:16:38,000 in order to be taken seriously. 371 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,560 You name me one Cornish newsreader or presenter or whatever... 372 00:16:41,599 --> 00:16:44,839 In his time with Mebyon Kernow, Nigel has tasted defeat 373 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,040 in no less than seven separate Cornish by-elections, 374 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:50,479 so if anyone knows what he's talking about, it's him. 375 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,000 ...hardly turn on your TV nowadays without some bloody Scottish person yacking on. 376 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Yes. Usually women. 377 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,079 If Ian's job is to make him feel he's being listened to, 378 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,359 the initial challenge is to find somewhere in the building 379 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,240 where fewer people can hear him. 380 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,800 ...big hairy Geordies. Yes. 381 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,079 You got gays in just about every conceivable position imaginable, 382 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,720 you don't know where to look. Well, hang on a minute. 383 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,200 Ah, no, that's perfectly fine, Ian, absolutely fine. 384 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:11,359 Well, I'm sorry, I'm going to have to... 385 00:17:11,399 --> 00:17:13,200 I got at least one son who's a gay already, 386 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,839 and the other one is thinking about it. 387 00:17:14,879 --> 00:17:16,839 Well, I mean, just see what happens in here. 388 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:24,079 Right, no, that... That's something else. 389 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,720 First of all, I'm not stupid, okay? Yeah. Well, exactly. 390 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,960 I've been in the industry a long time. 391 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:33,720 Obviously, yes. Oh, yeah, ages. 392 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:35,800 Meanwhile, in the restaurant with Carol Vorderman, 393 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,399 things have now moved beyond salad to the nitty-gritty phase of the lunch. 394 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Someone's dropped out, haven't they? 395 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,120 I'm guessing it's Clare Balding. 396 00:17:43,159 --> 00:17:45,240 It usually is, at the moment. Well, that's... 397 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:46,879 That's okay. But before we go any further... 398 00:17:46,919 --> 00:17:48,520 Right, yes. Alan Titchmarsh... 399 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,399 Yes. He's actually attached? 400 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,399 Well, he... It's... Pretty much, yeah. 401 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,320 Well, though I think what we... I'm not drinking this coffee, 402 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:58,159 it's vile. 403 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Is he attached or not? 404 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,760 Well, he... Yes, he is. Yes. Basically. 405 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:02,800 He is? Yes. 406 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,159 Pretty much. Yeah. 407 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Right. Okay. 408 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,680 I have to tell you, Alan's very excited about working with you. 409 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,320 He's excited. The two of you together. 410 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,080 I mean, hot. It's downright dangerous. 411 00:18:14,120 --> 00:18:15,520 Actually, could he shut up? 412 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,200 Yes, could you shut up, please, David? Absolutely. Yeah. 413 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Yes. 414 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,320 I think the first thing to say is, I'm so glad 415 00:18:20,360 --> 00:18:22,440 you've taken the trouble to come in to see us today. 416 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:23,680 No, you're not. Don't be stupid. 417 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,720 Well, no... I'm a pain in the ass, I know I am. 418 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,720 Well, it's very much my arse that... You know, I mean you've come to the right... 419 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:30,480 I've come to the right ass? 420 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,760 Back at New Broadcasting House, Ian has finally taken up 421 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,440 a position with Nigel Trescott. 422 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,800 The point is, it's absolutely there for you to be a pain in. 423 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,480 Right, so how do we go on from here? 424 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,440 Well, no, I hear what you're saying, Nigel. 425 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,639 I'm going to make it my business to get on top of this. 426 00:18:42,679 --> 00:18:44,240 Yeah, you say that... 427 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,360 And I'm going to come back to you with some sort of response. 428 00:18:46,399 --> 00:18:47,840 Yeah, you did the Olympics, didn't you? 429 00:18:47,879 --> 00:18:49,480 Well, I wouldn't say I personally... 430 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,960 How many Cornish athletes in the Olympics? 431 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,120 That's a rhetorical question. 432 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:57,960 How many? Sorry, I thought it was a rhetorical... 433 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,639 Four. Yes. Four. Right. 434 00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:00,879 They all lost. Ah. 435 00:19:00,919 --> 00:19:01,960 Every single one of the buggers. 436 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,520 Right, well, that wasn't really my area. 437 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,080 Ah, course it isn't. Cornwall never bloody is, is it? 438 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,280 8:00 on another morning. 439 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,399 Ian has now been in his new job for nearly two weeks. 440 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:26,639 Morning. Hi. 441 00:19:26,679 --> 00:19:28,840 Forward with Fletcher, eh? Yes. Hi. 442 00:19:28,879 --> 00:19:32,800 With his honeymoon period at last behind him, today is a big day. 443 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,760 This morning sees the first ever meeting of the Way Ahead Task Force 444 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:37,919 with Ian in the chair. 445 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,919 Glad I caught you, actually. Oh, right? 446 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,280 For what it's worth, I think you've put together a really rather wonderful team. 447 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,040 Well, I hope so. And on that subject... 448 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,320 I usually go saddle next, for what it's worth. Yes, thank you. 449 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:49,520 On that subject, I was going to forward you an e-mail from Tony, but then I thought, 450 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,200 "No, sod it. It's good news. I'll tell him myself." 451 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:52,760 Good news? Rather fabulous news, actually. 452 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,000 Right. You going up, eventually? 453 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,960 Yes. Good-oh. 454 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,040 No, I think we're announcing it at lunch time or something 455 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,840 but we may have to find one more chair around the Way Ahead table, 456 00:20:04,879 --> 00:20:06,639 if that's all right with you. 457 00:20:06,679 --> 00:20:08,200 One more chair? That's if we can find a room with any chairs at all. 458 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,720 We should be so lucky. I've booked Frankie Howerd. 459 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Oh, brilliant. Brilliant One more chair? 460 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,720 Yes. 461 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Sixth floor. 462 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,360 So, basically, you know what Tony's like? Well, still no, actually. 463 00:20:18,399 --> 00:20:21,440 He has these very clear ideas and he acts on them. Right, yes. 464 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,600 And his current thinking is "Brand BBC". Yes. Is it? 465 00:20:24,639 --> 00:20:26,800 Yep, so his thinking is, we've already got the guy 466 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,040 who did the London Olympics. Tick. Right. 467 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,560 And London 2012 was about the most successful brand in the history of brands. 468 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,440 Where is this going? 469 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,679 So why don't we find out who did that and let's get them too? Tick. 470 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,360 I'm sorry, sorry, Simon, so what are you actually telling me? 471 00:20:39,399 --> 00:20:41,440 Oh, we've already got Fred Astaire. What do you do? 472 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:43,120 You get Ginger Rogers. 473 00:20:43,159 --> 00:20:45,159 No, but okay, here's the thing with BBC Four, okay... No, shut up. 474 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,120 The thing with BBC Four is it's like a Marmite channel, okay? 475 00:20:47,159 --> 00:20:49,440 And the thing with Marmite is it's like no one eats that shit, okay? 476 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,280 No, Fran. Okay, don't care. Shut up. Got to go. Okay, okay. 477 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,760 Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. 478 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,120 Ian, Hey! 479 00:20:56,159 --> 00:20:57,960 You know Siobhan, of course. 480 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,159 This is going to be so fun. 481 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,159 Brilliant. 482 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,200 For Ian, the first ever Way Ahead meeting is a key opportunity 483 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,639 to consolidate whatever authority he might have in his new job 484 00:21:10,679 --> 00:21:12,960 as well to think some big thoughts. 485 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,240 Will, can you do something for me? Yeah, sure. Yeah, cool. 486 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,080 If you've got a minute, would you be able to go down and get me a cappuccino? 487 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:20,440 Cool, yeah. You know, a proper one from downstairs? 488 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,879 Yeah, no, a latte. No, a cappuccino. 489 00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:25,159 Okay, yeah. And then if you could bring it in to me in the meeting... 490 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,120 Right. What, so... No, it's fine, just, you know, 491 00:21:27,159 --> 00:21:29,399 just knock and walk in. That's all. You don't need to say anything. 492 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:30,840 Okay. Thanks, Will. That'd be really great. 493 00:21:30,879 --> 00:21:32,159 Just come in? Yes. 494 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,960 Cool. I'll settle up with you afterwards, obviously. 495 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,639 Yeah, no worries. Great. 496 00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,639 A cappuccino. Yes. 497 00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:38,720 Okay, cool. 498 00:21:43,399 --> 00:21:45,399 Well, first of all, welcome, everybody, 499 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,240 and welcome to the first ever Way Ahead Task Force Group. 500 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,320 Yay. I suppose I could say, really, welcome to the future. 501 00:21:51,360 --> 00:21:52,639 Amen. 502 00:21:52,679 --> 00:21:54,600 Guys, we are so going to kill here. 503 00:21:54,639 --> 00:21:58,159 Of the many meetings he's been to in his first two weeks at the BBC, 504 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,919 this is one where Ian finally has the chance to put 505 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,800 the value of Values literally on the agenda. 506 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,960 There's one word that I want us to take with us on the journey 507 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,840 and to set the term for everything we do, that word is confidence. 508 00:22:08,879 --> 00:22:10,120 Confidence. Brilliant. 509 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:11,679 Sure. Christ. 510 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,280 There are going to be challenges ahead, of course there are, 511 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,120 but we are fortunate enough to be sitting at the centre 512 00:22:15,159 --> 00:22:17,240 of the greatest broadcasting organisation, 513 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,000 arguably one of the greatest ideas in the world. 514 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,240 BBC, BBC... Yes, exactly. 515 00:22:23,639 --> 00:22:25,200 And... And as we embark on this journey, 516 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,760 I feel it's a good time to remind ourselves of that. 517 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,040 Fuck! Okay, good. 518 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,439 And in the spirit of... 519 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,600 And in the spirit of thinking big thoughts, 520 00:22:32,639 --> 00:22:34,560 I just wanted to outline 521 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840 in broad strokes what I think are some of the... 522 00:22:36,879 --> 00:22:38,679 Ah. Okay. Yes, just some of the key... 523 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,800 Ah, righty-ho. Right, some of the... 524 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,760 Sorry, Ian. We've got to do this. Right. 525 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:46,960 Brilliant. Okay, here we go. 526 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,639 BBC's nightly regional news programme, Spotlight South West, 527 00:22:50,679 --> 00:22:54,000 since the mid '90s, but despite repeated attempts, 528 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,800 Sally Wingate has never made the step up to national bulletins. 529 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,960 I'll be back on Monday with Nick, 530 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,919 and hopefully more on how those badgers are getting on. 531 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,720 Now she says she believes that could be down to the corporation's 532 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,240 institutional anti-West Country bias. 533 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,399 What? Bollocks. 534 00:23:11,439 --> 00:23:14,960 I mean, nothing's ever said but it's almost as if the accent alone is enough, 535 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,919 which when you think about it is doubly unfair because 536 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,320 I've never had a West Country accent and I'm not actually from Cornwall. 537 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,120 So do you feel you've been discriminated against? 538 00:23:24,159 --> 00:23:26,120 Yes. I suppose I do feel that. Yes. 539 00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:29,120 Mebyon Kernow's Nigel Trescott says there's nothing 540 00:23:29,159 --> 00:23:31,560 about Sally Wingate's story that surprises him. 541 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,399 There's nothing wrong with being Cornish. It's not something to be ashamed of. 542 00:23:34,439 --> 00:23:36,360 Oh, right. Here we go. Alistair, what the fuck? 543 00:23:36,399 --> 00:23:37,600 ...there's nothing wrong being a woman either. 544 00:23:37,639 --> 00:23:40,200 Fact is, if you're a woman, from Cornwall, 545 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,679 and you work for the BBC... 546 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Yeah, okay. Thank you. Shut up. 547 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,280 ...you might as well pack up and go home. 548 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,439 No, bollocks, Alistair. I'm coming down. Right. 549 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,960 This is our own. This is the BBC News Channel, for fuck's sake. 550 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,720 Not Kamikaze fucking Corner. 551 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,399 Right. Okay. Bummer. 552 00:23:53,439 --> 00:23:56,960 So, that's happened. Brilliant. 553 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,200 Hi, Will. Oh, yeah, hey, yeah. 554 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,800 You okay? Yeah, cool. So, yeah... 555 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,000 I'm just going down to that cafe on the ground floor. Okay. 556 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,800 I was thinking, if you wanted anything... Oh, right. 557 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,560 I'm going to get Ian Fletcher a cappuccino. 558 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:21,960 No, I don't think so, really. No. 559 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,040 Okay. I'm good, thank you. 560 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,520 Okay, cool. But thank you. 561 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,639 Yeah, no worries. Cool. 562 00:24:26,679 --> 00:24:28,080 Actually, do you know what? Yeah, hi. 563 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:31,080 I will have a skinny latte. Cool. Yeah. Cappuccino. 564 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,679 No, a latte. Yeah, cool, yeah. 565 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,439 If you're sure. Yeah, cool. Yeah. A latte. Yeah, cool. 566 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,080 So, guys, so here's the thing with this. 567 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:44,280 So what you're looking at here is a major brand message dropout. 568 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,840 What? Yes, okay. Thanks, Siobhan. 569 00:24:45,879 --> 00:24:47,560 No, all I'm just saying is you don't triage this thing now, 570 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240 you're so going to be up to your ass in alligators here. 571 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,480 Yes, thank you. 572 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,679 Meanwhile, back in Frankie Howerd, 573 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,800 such is the gravity of the situation that they've now been joined by Head of Output 574 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,280 Anna Rampton, which means things have got very serious indeed. 575 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,000 There's already been an e-mail from BBC Director General Lord Tony Hall 576 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,520 asking for clarification on the corporation's handling of the Sally Wingate issue. 577 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,960 What we need here is a strategy. Yes, exactly, yes. 578 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,520 Brilliant. So, Ian, what's your thinking? 579 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,320 Well... Where's your gut on this? 580 00:25:14,360 --> 00:25:16,639 I mean, with strategy, I suppose I'm mindful that 581 00:25:16,679 --> 00:25:18,120 that's actually your area, Simon. 582 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:19,760 Oh, now, pish. Don't want to tread on anyone's... 583 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,800 No, nonsense. Tell us what to do. 584 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,480 I mean, Anna, obviously, Programmes isn't my area. 585 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,280 No. Will, yes. So forgive me, 586 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,000 I just want to put this out there for discussion. Yes. 587 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,240 Yes, Will, it's fine. Come in. 588 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,000 Thanks, Will. That's great. 589 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:35,679 It's cappuccino. Yes, great. 590 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,159 Yeah, okay. Yeah. Thanks. 591 00:25:37,199 --> 00:25:40,240 No, it's cool. Crap. 592 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,600 Great, so, yes. No, Anna, I was just thinking, is there something 593 00:25:42,639 --> 00:25:45,000 we might be able to find for Sally Wingate that might actually... 594 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,399 Right, yes. Good. Flog It! 595 00:25:46,439 --> 00:25:48,320 No. Snog Marry Avoid? 596 00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:49,879 Well, yes, or... I so love that show. 597 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:51,679 Yes, or I don't know, some sort of Bake Off... 598 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,960 Yes, good, very strong. Springwatch. 599 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,800 Well, now... Good. 600 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Badgers in Cornwall. There's all your problems solved in one go. 601 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Okay, okay, okay, Loose Women. 602 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639 Yes, so that's an ITV show. Perfect. 603 00:26:00,679 --> 00:26:03,879 I mean, Anna, might it be worth thinking about Britain's Tastiest Village? 604 00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:05,760 No. I'm sorry. Now you're talking. 605 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,480 Well, I just mean, if it's a new show we've got coming through anyway... 606 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800 The fact is, Village is appointment-to-view television. 607 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840 But I mean, might it be worth considering for a moment? No. 608 00:26:12,879 --> 00:26:14,280 No, okay, right. No, it's not. 609 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,520 Okay, so we can be confident about that and take that 610 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,639 straight off the list of possible solutions to worry about. 611 00:26:18,679 --> 00:26:19,800 Yes. So that's all good. 612 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Cool. And so we move on. 613 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,240 Brilliant. 614 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,560 Okay, so... Now back to preferences. 615 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:25,800 Okay. 616 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,399 Uh, no, preferences. 617 00:26:27,439 --> 00:26:29,439 Oh, okay. 618 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,760 Keyboard. 619 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:32,679 Yep. 620 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,760 Uh, shortcuts. Yeah. 621 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Now, services. Right. 622 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,360 And there you go, capture full screen. 623 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,560 Cool. Yeah, and you can just assign whatever you like. 624 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,960 Oh, right. No, okay, I see. 625 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,040 That is so neat. 626 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,520 Yeah. 627 00:27:04,679 --> 00:27:07,120 I mean, this is such bad luck for you, this, honestly. 628 00:27:07,159 --> 00:27:08,639 Well, I mean... For me? 629 00:27:08,679 --> 00:27:10,199 You must be thinking, "I've barely got my feet under my desk." 630 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,320 I mean, I haven't got a desk to put any feet under yet. 631 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:14,879 No, I know. Yes, brilliant! Outrageous. 632 00:27:14,919 --> 00:27:17,480 But broadcasting is a world lived in real-time. 633 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,520 And whatever that means, by the end of the day, 634 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,480 events have already been overtaken by other events. 635 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,439 Yes, right, 'cause I'm not being funny or anything, 636 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,879 but it's genocide in the Press Office and not in a good way. 637 00:27:26,919 --> 00:27:29,480 There's now been an e-mail from Lord Chris Patten, 638 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,639 Chair of the BBC Trust, asking for an urgent response 639 00:27:32,679 --> 00:27:36,040 to Director General Lord Tony Hall's earlier e-mail 640 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,800 seeking clarification on the BBC's treatment of Sally Wingate. 641 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,199 And she's come up with this frankly rather brilliant idea. 642 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,080 I don't know about brilliant, but I don't mind saying I'm quite pleased with it. 643 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:46,879 Hold on to your hat. Woman's Hour. 644 00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:48,080 Woman's Hour? I know. 645 00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:49,720 Right. It's joyous. 646 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,800 I've got you on tomorrow, with Jenni Murray. Got me on? 647 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,720 Tony actually sent me a smiley face. Did he? 648 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,399 'Cause when you think about this, it is actually the perfect forum. 649 00:27:56,439 --> 00:27:57,720 Yes, now, hang on. Wait a minute... 650 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,679 I took a bit of a flier with it. Well, yes. 651 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,560 I know Helen, the producer. I know some people find her a bit frightening, 652 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,480 but I personally don't take any nonsense from her 653 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,080 and I can't speak for her, obviously, 654 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,040 but I think she respects me for that. Brilliant. 655 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,320 What about asking me though? Asking you? 656 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:10,560 Yes. No, they don't need to, Ian. 657 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,760 I said yes on your behalf. Right. I see. 658 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,639 I hope that's all right. Yes. No, that's fine. 659 00:28:14,679 --> 00:28:16,159 But what am I actually saying? 660 00:28:16,199 --> 00:28:17,600 Right, yes. Very good. 661 00:28:17,639 --> 00:28:19,720 I'm not being funny or anything, Ian, but this is serious. 662 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,720 I know it is. We're dealing with what's in front of us. 663 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,159 This is in front of me. We are in emergency mode here. 664 00:28:24,199 --> 00:28:26,080 I've got you Jenni Murray. 665 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,120 You'll have time to think about what you want to say on the train up 666 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,520 and I'll be there to help with that. The train up where? 667 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,360 All you need to do right now is decide whether you want to go up tonight, 668 00:28:33,399 --> 00:28:35,120 or catch the early train in the morning. 669 00:28:36,439 --> 00:28:39,520 Manchester? No, bad luck. 670 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:43,439 Ian, welcome to Woman's Hour. 671 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,040 It's very good to be here, Jenni. Thank you. 672 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,800 So I'm standing there and I'm getting, like, a text 673 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,560 and I look down and it's, like, Clare Balding. 674 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,480 So, that's Dame Clare Balding, okay. 675 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,639 Carol's in this morning. I know. It's a nightmare. 676 00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:56,040 I'm sorry, Siobhan, you can't do this. De nada. 677 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,800 No, do you know what? I don't want a bloody coffee, thanks. 678 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,959 No, she doesn't want that. No. 679 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,600 Enjoy the, you know, enjoy your water. 680 00:29:01,639 --> 00:29:03,679 I'm not being funny or anything, but I think we might have 681 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,199 a bit of a situation on our hands here. 58811

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