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Frank, you know if you double -team
Michael Jordan, they're just going to
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the ball off to Scotty Kipp. Thank you,
Pat Riley. You think you know so much
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about this game. Why don't you just quit
your job and go coach for the Knicks or
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something? Oh, please.
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Not another conversation about sports.
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Just once. Can't we talk about something
everybody's interested in?
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Did anyone see the article in today's
paper on sun -dried tomatoes?
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Oh, let's break it up. I'm already
running 40 minutes behind.
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What's wrong with your eye, Miles?
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What's wrong?
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Pop a little blood vessel.
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Doctor said it's probably stress
-related.
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Nothing serious. It should clear up by
tomorrow.
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So what if it happened while I was
asleep?
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Why should I worry just because I'm
hemorrhaging during my rest state?
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I don't mean to rush you through your
eye story, but there is a great
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I want to do. I still have my earring.
Go ahead, Frank. What is it?
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I want to interview Eli White.
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Oh, very topical, Frank.
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Nobody uses the cotton gin anymore.
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I think he's dead.
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Not Eli Whitney, Corky.
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Eli White, the poet. The one who wrote
the best -selling book about the New
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Men's Movement. Ah, here we go. The New
Men's Movement. Ever since it was
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glorified on the cover of Newsweek, I
knew that thing would find its way in
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here. And why do you guys need a
movement in the first place?
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Tired of getting higher pay for the same
jobs?
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I know, I know. Look, I was put off by
all the hype, too. But then, I read the
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book.
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New men, old pain.
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Geez, Frank, did you actually pay for
that?
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Yes, and I'm glad I did. I suddenly
realized what society has done to men.
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not allowed to express our feelings,
have any emotions.
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I'm telling you, this book was an
amazing journey for me. I feel like I
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bonded with all my fellow brothers.
Ladies and gentlemen, Helen Reddy.
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Eli White says that men need to break
away from the nine -to -five routine
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caught in.
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He tells us to pound the ancient drum,
explore tribal rituals.
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The book is filled with forgotten myths
and poems that connect us to the wisdom
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of our male ancestors. Some wisdom. Life
will be great if we just sacrifice a
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virgin.
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And you're still doing that.
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There's got to be more to it than that,
Murphy. New Man, Old Pain has been on
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the bestseller list for 42 weeks.
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And if I ever get my eyesight back, I
may take a look at it. I can't believe
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haven't read it, Miles. It'll completely
transform you.
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Jim, did you read the copy I gave you?
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Yes, I did.
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I got as far as the part about how men
should be able to cry in public, and I
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tossed it into the fireplace.
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Frank, if you want to go into your yard
and do the dance of the lost antelope,
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that's your business, but leave me out
of it.
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I'm a Presbyterian, for God's sake.
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Look at you two guys. You can't even
hear yourselves crying out for help.
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That's why Eli White has these
workshops.
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Yeah, right, expensive workshops.
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You want to cry, Frank? Give me 300
bucks. I'll hit you with a hammer.
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You are so wrong, Murphy. He only
charges $15 per man, and that is just to
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the cost of renting the ritual space.
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The ritual space?
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Where's that?
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The Ramada Inn off I -95.
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Your ritual space is at the Ramada Inn.
This is tragic. What are some of the
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rituals? The breaking of the sacred
toilet seat seal? The filling of the
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ice bucket? Geez, Frank, you're so deep
into this guru, you lost your
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objectivity. He is not a guru. He's a
very real, genuine man.
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There's obviously a very hot story here.
So I've made a decision that I hope
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everyone will accept. Quiet. Captain
Blood Plot, the corporate pirate, is
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to speak.
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We are going to have Eli White on the
show. All right, Matt.
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However, and this is what separates the
greats from the almost greats, Frank
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will not do the interview. What?
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Murphy will do the interview.
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Why? Because I want this interview to be
in -depth and challenging and not just
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a showcase for Eli White. You know,
Miles, you have a point.
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When smart guys like Frank get caught up
in something that I think is a scam, it
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fares looking into.
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All right, fine.
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You be as tough as you need to be, but I
promise you this movement is legit.
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It'll even stand up to Murphy Brown.
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Unbelievable.
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I can't believe this.
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This is me. I'm in this book. We're all
in the book, Miles.
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It says that all men fall into one of
four basic categories depending on the
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kind of relationship they have with
their father.
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Jim, let's look you up.
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Did you have the absent unnurturing
father or the overbearing emasculating
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father? Check, please.
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Listen to this. Type two.
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Corporate man. The pressure of
conforming. Pressure? Pressure? My eyes?
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lost, alone, hiding emotions behind the
sterile blue flannel of his corporate
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uniform.
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Oh, God. Frank. Jim, I got a lump in my
throat. Check, check, check.
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Jim, why does this make you so
uncomfortable?
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You've got to learn to open up.
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Come on.
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Talk to me.
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Talk to me.
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Oh, for heaven's sake, Frank, I'll get
enough of this at home.
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Don't go yet.
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There's something that I need to tell
you guys.
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I want you to promise me now that you're
going to react to this like the open
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-minded people that I know you are.
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I signed all three of us up for Eli
White's workshop this Sunday. There are
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ten men allowed in. It was filling up
fast. You don't have to come. I just
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thought it would be a good way for us to
get closer together.
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Geez, I don't know, Frank. I've got
budget reports. I've got my condo
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association. Oh, listen to you. The
curse of the corporate man.
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What are you waiting for? You're right.
Actually, pop right out of your head.
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What about you, Jim? I'd rather cha -cha
with Sam Donaldson.
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Thank you, boys.
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Thank you. Maybe next time you'll listen
to me instead of those clowns at ESPN.
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Well, well, well. Look who's here.
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It isn't Pearl Magnum, Peking, and
Mongolian Man.
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What are you guys doing here, attracting
woolly mammoths?
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I simply came in here to catch the fight
and got sucked up in Frank's vortex of
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need.
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How's the story going, Murphy? Pretty
good. I asked Eli White to meet me here
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for the pre -interview. I thought he'd
be more comfortable among his own kind.
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The more comfortable he is, the better
chance he'll slip up.
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There he is.
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The big kahuna.
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Mr. White, I'm Murphy Brown. Thank you
for meeting me here. Pleasure's all
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I've been a fan for a long time.
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Thank you. This is our executive
producer... Miles Silverberg.
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Sight to man.
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Our senior anchor, Jim Dial.
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True.
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And Frank Fontana.
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Hi.
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I want you to know that I was... I was
very moved by your book.
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Thank you.
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Frank's the reason FYI is doing the
interview.
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Well, I suppose I should thank you,
Frank, but then I've never seen myself
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television. The Acoma Indians have a
saying, don't look in the pond if you
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to believe you're beautiful.
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Mr.
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White? Please, Eli.
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Eli, I'd like to tell you that I'll be
coming to your workshop this Sunday.
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What about you, Miles?
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Uh, well, if I...
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can move my condo meeting to Saturday
and work in my budget reports on Friday,
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which means rescheduling my lunch with
the head of legal so I can move my
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meeting with the electrician's union.
Oh, God, Eli, help me!
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Jim, I'm golfing.
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Uh, excuse me, guys, but could you do
your bonding on someone else's time?
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got work to do. All right, I'll see you
both on Sunday.
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Eli, thank you for coming. I just have a
few questions to ask you, and then I'll
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let you go. Of course.
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But I must tell you, Murphy, I'm a
little disappointed that it's you doing
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interview.
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Oh, why is that?
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I hope this doesn't sound sexist, but I
think it would be easier for a man to
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understand deep masculine feelings, just
as it would be easier for a woman to
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talk about the female experience.
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Ah, well, I think I did a pretty good
job of understanding the students at
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Tiananmen Square, the blacks in South
Africa.
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I'll try to do the same for your men at
the Ramada Inn.
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You think we're pretty foolish, don't
you?
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Bunch of grown men in a room pounding on
a drum and listening to a lot of old
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poems.
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But there's something about being away
from the office, the factory, the home,
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the women.
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A remarkable thing happens.
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All it takes is one act of bravery.
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One man to tell his truth.
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Little by little, they all begin to open
up, and I'm telling you, they amaze
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themselves with the depth of their
feelings.
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You're very good, but I still don't get
it. You rent a room, you read some
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Viking poems, and CPAs all across the
country are having cathartic
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breakthroughs?
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I don't read the poems. I relate them.
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Never underestimate the power of the
human voice.
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The boy... came home, his clothes all in
rags, all in rags,
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his face gray with ashes from a trip
down the well.
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The hawk had flown, the wife cried loud,
at the well, at the well,
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no water was found.
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At the well, at the well, the spoon
filled with dust.
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Boy became a man.
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At the well.
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At the well.
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Phil, you read this book?
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Little Phil gave it to me for Father's
Day.
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Best book I read since Ed McMahon's
Barside Companion.
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Jim, are you all right?
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Me? Oh, yes, I'm fine.
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Did I mention I golf?
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Every Sunday.
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Right over there near the Ramada Inn.
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Let me come to the workshop.
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Don't think I can do that.
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Men have a harder time opening up around
women.
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I'm not a woman. I'm Murphy Brown.
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Come on, make an exception this one
time. If I don't fully understand what's
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going on, then I won't be able to help
my viewers understand.
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You couldn't participate.
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You'd have to leave your personal
feelings and judgments outside.
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Would you be able to do that?
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Piece of cake.
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his strength and bravery for coming this
morning.
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We embrace the spirit of Hepwa.
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His strength and bravery fills us,
carries us on the wind,
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on the wind.
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Hi! I'm sorry, I had to park way down
the tracks. The guy wanted four bucks to
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valet park my car.
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Wow, that's a big drum. I'll just sit
right over here. You won't even notice
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Go ahead, go ahead.
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We start by calming our minds and
opening ourselves to the spirit of the
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Spirit of our hearts.
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We are moving far away from this place.
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Far, far away from this place.
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Room service. Right here.
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Here are two eggs scrambled and wheat
toast.
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Oh, great. Thanks a lot. Here you go.
Keep the change. Thanks.
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Sorry, I'm pregnant.
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Food is very important to me. You know,
spirit of the stomach, spirit of the
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toast.
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Today, we are all one man.
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We acknowledge our similarity by
intoning the Indian word ho.
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Ho!
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Say it with me.
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Ho.
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It is a ritual talking stick.
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It is a tool to use to express your deep
feelings.
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It guarantees the floor to whomever
holds it.
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Who will be the first?
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I will.
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I mean, who?
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I'm Frank Fontana.
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And, uh...
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I'm not sure what to say.
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That's a good honest start, Frank. Go
ahead, share anything with us you like,
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except try to avoid the usual traps of
talking about sports or money. We'll be
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out of here in five minutes.
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Okay, here goes.
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I like Chinese food.
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All right, deeper.
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Someday I'd like to own a dog.
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Deeper.
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I don't think I've ever really satisfied
a woman in bed.
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I respect you.
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like my clothes.
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And I had an excellent relationship with
my father.
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He was a man's man.
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No matter what happened, he never let it
get to him.
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When I was 10, he fell on hard times as
a stockbroker. In one day, he lost his
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job and most of his friends.
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I came home from school that day, and
there he was, reading his paper just
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he always did.
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But I noticed...
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He had this very sad look in his eyes.
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I walked over and I climbed up onto the
arm of his big leather chair.
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And before I knew what was happening, I
leaned over and I kissed him.
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And he turned to me and he said, now,
now, son, a real man doesn't give in to
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his emotions.
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Well, that pretty much summed up the
man.
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Stoic.
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Cold sometimes.
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Occasionally able to make a young boy
feel like a real fool.
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A real man doesn't give in to his
emotions. What a jackass thing to say.
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I wasn't a real man. I was Tam.
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I've carried that around for years.
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at this movement.
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And look what you've done to Jim.
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Hi, Merchant.
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Pull yourself together. Here, give me
that.
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Here. No.
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Whoever holds the stick has the floor.
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I've watched you all day.
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Use jokes and judgments to cover your
own feelings.
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I think you have some things to share
with us. No, I don't. Please, go ahead.
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Express yourself.
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You have the stick.
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Walking stick.
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Right, right. This is serious.
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This is the part where I'm supposed to
hold out the stick and blame my father
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for something.
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Okay, okay.
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My father... My fa... Sorry,
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guys. The worst I can do is my father
wanted a boy.
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Well, it's only natural.
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If I were a man, I'd probably feel the
same way.
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I mean, at least he was honest.
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He came right out and said what he was
feeling.
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I wanted a boy.
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I wanted a boy.
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How the hell did he think that was
supposed to make me feel?
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How do you say that to a little girl?
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My turn. Hey, back off!
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Now, where was I?
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Oh, yeah, my father.
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One time I asked him to build me a
treehouse.
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Hey, I could use a little drums here.
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Well, it wasn't so much the idea of
the... You have to always, like, look
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yourself.
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Morning, guys.
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Morning, Frank.
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So, uh... Interesting weekend, huh?
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Yes, quite.
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How about those Redskins?
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Oh, the Redskins.
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What's everybody talking about?
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Football. Football?
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That's all you ever talk about. I
thought that workshop yesterday was
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to change you.
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I just want to thank you for letting me
share an incredible experience.
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I guess I felt threatened at first.
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It's probably the way a lot of men felt
at the start of the women's movement.
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But I can't tell you how much I respect
you guys for opening up the way you did.
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You should have seen them, Corky,
especially Jim.
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What's he talking about, Jim?
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I have no idea. I played golf yesterday.
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Shot an 84, ate a turkey melt. It was
home by 2 .30.
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Okay, I can see why it would be hard for
Jim. He's not ready to express his new
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self in the office yet, but you guys...
Okay, time to go to work, everybody. Go
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to work. You guys were inspiring.
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I can't tell you how much I'm looking
forward to working with guys who are
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secure enough to openly say they love
each other, like you did, Frank.
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Shh, I did not.
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You did, just before Miles hugged you.
Well, I didn't want to hug. He made me.
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Let's start this day off right.
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I love you guys.
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I really do.
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Now, say it to each other, and then hug.
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