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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 3 00:00:40,374 --> 00:00:46,296 On October 22nd, 2014, the movie “Cub” premiered in Deurne, Belgium. 4 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:52,261 The press states that this feature debut of Jonas Govaerts is... 5 00:00:52,886 --> 00:00:54,888 ...the very first Flemish horror film. 6 00:00:56,014 --> 00:01:02,938 Articles stating that "WELP/CUB" (2014) is the very first Flemish horror film. 7 00:01:10,529 --> 00:01:12,698 Is that the first Flemish horror movie? Yeah, right. 8 00:01:17,578 --> 00:01:22,040 Every Journalist who knows a little about his work would never dare to state this. 9 00:01:22,374 --> 00:01:24,084 Everybody rewrites a bit his own history. 10 00:01:31,133 --> 00:01:33,051 There is no real horror culture in Belgium. 11 00:01:33,385 --> 00:01:35,012 If you are a fan, you have to find it. 12 00:01:40,976 --> 00:01:50,569 Horror is, just like western and musical, a genre that we Belgians normally don't make. 13 00:01:50,902 --> 00:01:51,987 I beg to differ, Jan. 14 00:01:52,321 --> 00:01:55,240 Try telling this to Harry Kümel. -"Malpertuis" is made before "Cub", 15 00:01:55,574 --> 00:01:56,325 "Daughters of Darkness", 16 00:01:56,658 --> 00:01:57,451 "The Pencil Murders". 17 00:01:57,784 --> 00:01:59,745 The films of Johan Vandewoestijne... 18 00:02:10,339 --> 00:02:11,548 This is our legacy. 19 00:02:31,401 --> 00:02:32,903 Harry Kümel is unique. 20 00:02:33,487 --> 00:02:34,738 It's the biggest director we have. He 21 00:02:35,072 --> 00:02:37,240 doesn't direct that much, but he is our Orson Welles. 22 00:02:37,574 --> 00:02:41,745 He has such an ambition and vision. We don't have anyone like that anymore. 23 00:02:42,454 --> 00:02:45,248 I don't know if it's typical for Flanders or Belgium, 24 00:02:45,582 --> 00:02:52,255 but... we don't have a lot of respect for our pioneers. 25 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:55,801 Nobody of my generation doesn't know him and that is bizarre. 26 00:02:56,134 --> 00:03:04,267 My generation and the following can make these films, because of guys like De Hert, 27 00:03:04,601 --> 00:03:07,312 Hendrickx and Harry Kümel. 28 00:03:17,864 --> 00:03:21,368 And it's a travesty that they have been swept under the rug. 29 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:28,667 Especially because a few of these films, still stand firmly as a brick house. 30 00:03:29,209 --> 00:03:35,674 And that somebody as Harry Kümel, is seen In many countries as an important director. 31 00:03:36,133 --> 00:03:41,346 "Daughters of Darkness" and "Malpertuis” are two movies released in 32 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,140 the UK and France. 33 00:03:43,473 --> 00:03:52,607 Especially "Daughters of Darkness" is a big hit in the USA and cherished 34 00:03:52,941 --> 00:03:55,777 among cult-fetishists. 35 00:03:57,362 --> 00:04:00,490 "Daughters of Darkness" is the only Belgian movie that has been a mainstream 36 00:04:00,824 --> 00:04:02,033 success in other countries. 37 00:04:05,454 --> 00:04:09,833 Producers approached me to make a commercial stylish film, but I had 38 00:04:10,167 --> 00:04:11,418 no idea what to make. 39 00:04:12,043 --> 00:04:14,755 Then I saw at a newspaper stand a "Historia" magazine about "The Blood 40 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:16,631 Countess" Bathory and I bought that. 41 00:04:17,174 --> 00:04:25,015 I came back to the producers and told them: "Fantastic, she killed 600 42 00:04:25,348 --> 00:04:28,101 virgins to stay young". 43 00:04:30,562 --> 00:04:32,063 The producers told me I was crazy. 44 00:04:32,397 --> 00:04:34,900 600 costumes, that would be an expensive film... 45 00:04:38,612 --> 00:04:42,449 It was our ambition to create a genre-film, 46 00:04:42,783 --> 00:04:46,870 which you could describe as a real horror, 47 00:04:47,204 --> 00:04:52,083 but... also could exist outside the horror genre. 48 00:04:53,210 --> 00:04:57,297 People still try to tell me that it's not about vampires. 49 00:04:57,631 --> 00:04:59,674 But of course it is a vampire movie. 50 00:05:00,008 --> 00:05:04,596 We tried to play with every convention in the genre, but also expand it. 51 00:05:05,138 --> 00:05:07,224 We tried to approach it differently. 52 00:05:11,978 --> 00:05:16,691 Sure, it was a low-budget film. 750,000 Belgian Francs, even in those days this was 53 00:05:17,025 --> 00:05:18,944 not a lot of money for a feature. 54 00:05:19,277 --> 00:05:21,196 But made with international financing. 55 00:05:21,530 --> 00:05:23,281 We were very happy, 56 00:05:23,615 --> 00:05:27,410 that we made a tax-shelter deal with America, 57 00:05:27,744 --> 00:05:30,580 for $50,000. 58 00:05:30,914 --> 00:05:34,751 Try to imagine, $50,000 was a lot of money in 1970. 59 00:05:35,085 --> 00:05:35,961 That was... 60 00:05:37,003 --> 00:05:37,963 a miracle. 61 00:05:41,174 --> 00:05:45,136 Years later I produced "Toto Les Heros" for Jaco Van Dormael, 62 00:05:45,470 --> 00:05:50,475 and I needed to go to New York, to negotiate about the remake rights. 63 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:57,148 I enter a huge office building full with lawyers with experience in these 64 00:05:57,524 --> 00:05:58,817 kinds of meetings... 65 00:05:59,943 --> 00:06:02,988 "You produced Daughters of Darkness", a lawyer says. 66 00:06:05,156 --> 00:06:08,201 "Our Tax-shelter was fantastic, right?" 67 00:06:09,327 --> 00:06:10,328 Yes of course. 68 00:06:11,454 --> 00:06:16,543 "Fantastic, that you put our $900,000 to such good use." 69 00:06:16,877 --> 00:06:17,878 I decided to keep my mouth shut. 70 00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:23,008 That means that $850,000... 71 00:06:23,758 --> 00:06:26,136 in the meantime vanished without a trace. 72 00:06:30,265 --> 00:06:33,143 The Flemish film started with amateur-films 73 00:06:33,476 --> 00:06:36,354 and most of these you can describe as genre-films. 74 00:06:36,688 --> 00:06:41,359 Sadly this has been completely killed. 75 00:06:41,693 --> 00:06:46,656 This has to do with the press and psychological movements. 76 00:06:46,990 --> 00:06:49,701 They want to make you believe 77 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,914 that other kind of films are more important than genre-films. 78 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:57,208 But you can see where those end: in the trash bin of film history. 79 00:07:11,348 --> 00:07:13,892 The graphic-novel aspect in Daughters of Darkness is of course very important, 80 00:07:14,225 --> 00:07:16,937 and that is also the reason why Delphine(Seyrig) had agreed. 81 00:07:17,270 --> 00:07:24,319 And in that context Harry Kümel was the most aesthetic of all our directors. 82 00:07:30,867 --> 00:07:33,703 For the story it needed to be a vacation resort, with the atmosphere of 83 00:07:34,037 --> 00:07:34,746 the Belgian coast. 84 00:07:35,872 --> 00:07:39,960 The architecture of the Ostends Thermea Palace Hotel 85 00:07:40,293 --> 00:07:42,045 was of course perfect. 86 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:47,050 The unique look of that building, the strong atmosphere. 87 00:07:47,384 --> 00:07:50,261 This was something real, that we needed. 88 00:07:50,595 --> 00:07:54,557 But then came the problem that I couldn't shoot inside. 89 00:07:55,100 --> 00:07:57,560 Because it was a ruin inside. Today it 90 00:07:57,894 --> 00:08:01,648 still wouldn't be beautiful enough to shoot inside. 91 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:06,945 I wanted to shoot the interior scenes in the Metropole Hotel in Brussels. 92 00:08:07,278 --> 00:08:10,198 But they wouldn't let me. Oh boy, they regretted that afterwards. 93 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:25,380 Yes, it is true that you find every television show on DVD, 94 00:08:25,839 --> 00:08:28,508 but that it's impossible to find "Daughters of Darkness" on DVD. 95 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:34,723 That is a real pity, but no idea why or who made that mistake... 96 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:39,060 Because we had so many producers, we had some copyright-problems with 97 00:08:39,394 --> 00:08:40,437 a French producer. 98 00:08:41,563 --> 00:08:50,697 He signed a contract, with Francois de Roubaix, without knowledge of the other 99 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:53,992 producers, for 40 years. 100 00:08:56,161 --> 00:08:58,163 This was of course a huge catastrophe for the film. 101 00:08:59,581 --> 00:09:01,207 The German producer had disappeared. 102 00:09:01,541 --> 00:09:04,294 And one night they play "Daughters of Darkness" on Arte, 103 00:09:04,627 --> 00:09:07,172 and boom, they come out of the woodwork. 104 00:09:07,630 --> 00:09:12,177 That is the reason why the film did sell so well in the USA. 105 00:09:12,510 --> 00:09:14,304 Because it's sold outside the system. 106 00:09:14,637 --> 00:09:16,097 I also have an awesome distributor over there. 107 00:09:16,514 --> 00:09:21,770 I also have a great seller in France. But "Blue Underground" is the best. 108 00:09:22,145 --> 00:09:26,274 My teacher, Marc Didden, said: "Harry was born in the wrong country. 109 00:09:26,608 --> 00:09:29,360 In the USA, he would have been Hitchcock". 110 00:09:30,070 --> 00:09:31,029 And I believe that. 111 00:09:31,362 --> 00:09:33,615 And it's thanks to the international success of "Daughters of Darkness" that 112 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,620 I got a lot of financial support to make "Malpertuis". 113 00:09:39,454 --> 00:09:46,127 "Elodia, Elodia. Can you bring some food before I almost die of hunger here." 114 00:10:00,391 --> 00:10:02,685 The problem with "Malpertuis" IS very simple: 115 00:10:03,019 --> 00:10:05,939 It was cut completely wrong In the beginning. 116 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:10,026 Apart from some problems with the scenario. 117 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,071 The first edit was the main cause for the big failure of the movie. 118 00:10:13,404 --> 00:10:18,743 But during the years, it became a phenomenal success. 119 00:10:19,077 --> 00:10:23,123 Which was huge for such a small film. 120 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:31,840 I know that the whole crew was happy to be working on "Malpertuis". 121 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:34,008 The original producer Pierre Levie, 122 00:10:34,342 --> 00:10:42,433 the Director of Photography... They were really glad to be working on this film. 123 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:46,104 They finally had something to go wild on. 124 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:48,690 That was the problem of this movie: 125 00:10:49,065 --> 00:10:54,946 That I had a very good and talented crew, except the editor. 126 00:10:55,655 --> 00:10:59,117 Then you start to compete with each other. 127 00:10:59,659 --> 00:11:07,458 Especially with the DOP, who asks "Can you do this?", "Or he asks me that". 128 00:11:08,501 --> 00:11:12,672 So with this, you are more thinking about the technical stuff. 129 00:11:14,424 --> 00:11:15,592 "He is coming." 130 00:11:17,218 --> 00:11:18,928 "Quick." "Run." 131 00:11:24,767 --> 00:11:29,355 But I was still very young. 32, 132 00:11:31,816 --> 00:11:35,570 I still remember that I saw "Malpertuis” when I was 10 or 11 years old, 133 00:11:35,987 --> 00:11:37,197 for the first time on TV. 134 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:40,700 And what scared me incredibly was 135 00:11:41,034 --> 00:11:44,871 the scene with the flames that came out of the mouth of that guy, 136 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:47,790 and the ghostly atmosphere that was apparent in the whole film. 137 00:11:48,166 --> 00:11:52,295 Also they don't play the movies on TV anymore, which is a real pity. 138 00:11:55,757 --> 00:12:00,553 They like it at the Cannes Film Festival, when there are a lot of stars in the movie. 139 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:03,348 It's one of their motivations In selecting a film. 140 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:05,767 And it has nothing to do with the quality of the movies. 141 00:12:06,434 --> 00:12:09,312 But still it was very brave for selecting "Malpertuis". 142 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:12,315 Because some journalists - who know nothing about everything - 143 00:12:13,233 --> 00:12:18,905 asked me at the press-conference if I thought this genre fit Cannes. 144 00:12:21,866 --> 00:12:25,161 I was astounded, that they asked that question. 145 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:27,914 But that is so typical for journalists, 146 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:35,588 who always think only in categories. In certain boxes. 147 00:12:38,549 --> 00:12:46,182 “The Pencil Murders” is absolutely a movie which belongs to the Flemish cult- 148 00:12:46,516 --> 00:12:48,476 and genre pantheon. 149 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:49,894 A nice try. 150 00:12:50,228 --> 00:12:56,943 But at that time “The Pencil Murders” was absolutely a remarkable attempt, 151 00:12:57,318 --> 00:13:03,449 to break with the traditional Flemish films, because we were still in our 152 00:13:03,783 --> 00:13:09,289 'Heimat' period at that time. 153 00:13:09,622 --> 00:13:13,835 A film about a serial killer... even in America they didn't have a lot of that 154 00:13:14,168 --> 00:13:15,712 kind of film at that time. 155 00:13:16,045 --> 00:13:21,509 Also very down-to-earth and with humor. 156 00:13:21,843 --> 00:13:26,014 Two things the author, quickly and definitely left behind. 157 00:13:26,347 --> 00:13:28,057 Especially being down to earth. 158 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:32,603 "“Is it you?" 159 00:13:33,021 --> 00:13:37,525 "The Pencil Murders" was my first movie, I was 29 back then, 160 00:13:37,859 --> 00:13:40,611 and I wanted to make something bold 161 00:13:40,945 --> 00:13:45,825 against the funded movies. 162 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:53,124 It had to be half horror, half police. 163 00:13:53,458 --> 00:13:55,209 Also known as 'polard'. 164 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:57,545 Is it real horror? 165 00:13:57,879 --> 00:13:59,797 There is a scene in which 166 00:14:00,631 --> 00:14:08,890 a black guy is killed with a pencil in his nose in the bathtub. 167 00:14:09,932 --> 00:14:12,018 Dominique Deruddere (director of Oscar-nominee "Everybody Famous'") was 168 00:14:12,352 --> 00:14:12,935 my assistant director. 169 00:14:13,269 --> 00:14:14,187 Oops. 170 00:14:14,937 --> 00:14:23,363 A very famous editor was also on the set when shooting this film. 171 00:14:23,696 --> 00:14:26,699 Because we shot in 35mm, which was very expensive. 172 00:14:27,742 --> 00:14:31,829 So we had to shoot in small pieces... 173 00:14:37,335 --> 00:14:43,299 20 years later, I found out that the genre I did was called 'Giallo'. 174 00:14:43,633 --> 00:14:46,427 A genre that Dario Argento did, who I knew of course. 175 00:14:46,803 --> 00:14:49,430 "The Pencil Murders" was linked to this subgenre, 176 00:14:49,764 --> 00:14:54,268 by a professor in Edinburgh. 177 00:14:55,895 --> 00:14:58,731 It stayed in theaters for 9 months. 178 00:14:59,107 --> 00:15:04,028 If you now are able to stay in theaters for 9 days, you can be happy. 179 00:15:04,362 --> 00:15:08,032 My film was sold worldwide, I still remember. 180 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:11,327 It played in cinemas in France, Spain and such. 181 00:15:11,661 --> 00:15:16,541 I just had the funny idea of putting a pencil in someone's nose. 182 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:18,501 I can only applaud this. 183 00:15:18,835 --> 00:15:21,796 Someone who wants to transform 184 00:15:22,130 --> 00:15:24,507 his darkest fantasies into pictures. 185 00:15:56,456 --> 00:16:00,543 It's more fun to talk about "The Antwerp Killer" than to watch the 'thing'. 186 00:16:01,377 --> 00:16:04,630 Even if it only lasts for, if I am not mistaken, 65 minutes. 187 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:08,426 These are the longest 65 minutes of your life, except for the films 188 00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:09,844 from Doris Wishman. 189 00:16:10,178 --> 00:16:14,807 "The Antwerp Killer" is in essence a prank. 190 00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:23,316 The brainchild of an 18 years old, little weird kid from Antwerp called Luc Veldeman. 191 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:26,736 "We had the idea to make something, 192 00:16:27,445 --> 00:16:30,907 that could be announced as a giant thriller, 193 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:34,869 which became an experiment in film..." 194 00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:38,915 Luc wanted to make a film and succeeded to persuade lots of people that he was 195 00:16:39,248 --> 00:16:40,625 actually making a real movie. 196 00:16:41,209 --> 00:16:50,218 When finished', "The Antwerp Killer" was more comparable to an 8mm film, 197 00:16:50,593 --> 00:16:54,347 instead of a mainstream film. 198 00:16:57,308 --> 00:17:02,021 One day, a young man, rang at my door and he claimed to be a huge fan 199 00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:03,856 of my electronic music. 200 00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:09,070 And he asked if I wanted to make music for his upcoming movie. 201 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:12,532 He asked me if I already had finished recordings that he could use. 202 00:17:12,865 --> 00:17:14,408 I replied that I indeed had a tape. 203 00:17:14,742 --> 00:17:18,079 He persuaded me to give him this tape, because he claimed the sponsors needed 204 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:19,497 to check out the music. 205 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:25,878 A few hours later he returns and gives me a check, if he could use the 206 00:17:26,212 --> 00:17:28,506 music for his film. 207 00:17:29,173 --> 00:17:32,134 One day, suddenly the 'director' calls me, 208 00:17:32,468 --> 00:17:39,517 and tells me that he needed me to play a small part in the film. 209 00:17:39,892 --> 00:17:42,436 But I told him, I was not an actor. 210 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:46,816 He said: “Just say something when the camera is on you!”. 211 00:17:47,567 --> 00:17:48,859 And I did. 212 00:17:49,193 --> 00:17:53,239 I tried to guess on set what the story was about. Nobody had a clue. 213 00:17:53,573 --> 00:17:59,287 "Hi Jules, listen to me... on my desk sits a little girl coming from the 4th floor." 214 00:17:59,620 --> 00:18:01,664 "They found her on the street, wandering in the neighborhood of the iron bridge." 215 00:18:02,123 --> 00:18:05,459 In one of the scenes you can see a small Korean girl. 216 00:18:05,793 --> 00:18:07,628 Every viewer would think: "What the hell is she doing in the story?". "Nothing". 217 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:13,134 But because he called me only an hour before shooting and I didn't 218 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:14,927 have a babysitter, 219 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:20,349 I had to bring my new adopted Korean daughter to the set and put her on the 220 00:18:20,683 --> 00:18:22,226 desk during the scene. 221 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,769 "What is your mother's name?" 222 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:25,605 "Where does she live?" 223 00:18:25,938 --> 00:18:26,981 "You don't know?" 224 00:18:27,857 --> 00:18:28,733 "In a house?" 225 00:18:29,150 --> 00:18:31,652 During the premiere of "The Antwerp Killer", I discovered that I was 226 00:18:31,986 --> 00:18:32,903 one of the lead actors, 227 00:18:33,321 --> 00:18:40,828 and I discovered that my music, which had received good reviews in the newspapers, 228 00:18:41,162 --> 00:18:42,913 was barely used... 229 00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:49,170 And without any credit, they had used the music of Halloween, by the glorious 230 00:18:49,503 --> 00:18:51,464 composer John Carpenter. 231 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,807 And guess what, they altered everything a little. 232 00:19:02,141 --> 00:19:05,019 Everything is a bit out of tune. 233 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,696 Veldeman did all these things in my name... And even put my name on the 234 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:17,365 credits for the music. 235 00:19:17,698 --> 00:19:18,949 That's a big surprise. 236 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:35,216 I need to admit that I'm also guilty for giving "The Antwerp Killer" its 237 00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:37,009 questionable reputation. 238 00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:48,354 In '82 or '83, director Marc Punt and I, - our first act in the film industry - 239 00:19:48,688 --> 00:19:50,898 were running the Knokke Film Festival, 240 00:19:51,232 --> 00:19:53,317 And we were always searching for local films. 241 00:19:53,651 --> 00:19:56,570 We read in the paper about a young guy in Antwerp who was making a movie 242 00:19:56,946 --> 00:19:58,030 called "The Antwerp Killer". 243 00:19:58,364 --> 00:20:00,741 So we got in touch with him. He was editing 244 00:20:01,075 --> 00:20:04,453 in a flat somewhere in Sint-Niklaas, in the Parklaan. 245 00:20:05,579 --> 00:20:11,752 He showed us one scene, which was only 50 seconds or so. 246 00:20:13,421 --> 00:20:18,968 We didn't get to see the film, until the evening of the screening. 247 00:20:19,593 --> 00:20:26,392 30 minutes before the screening, Luc Veldeman came storming inside the cultural 248 00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:29,270 center with two 16mm prints. 249 00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:32,606 And from this we could conclude that this was a very short film. 250 00:20:34,108 --> 00:20:39,238 My very first reaction was to close the cash register. 251 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:42,950 It was a sold-out screening, and that didn't happen every night. 252 00:20:43,325 --> 00:20:49,665 And the first 5 minutes there was a kind of silence... Which could go either way. 253 00:20:50,499 --> 00:20:54,086 Luckily then somebody started to laugh really loud, and the rest of 254 00:20:54,420 --> 00:20:55,463 the room followed. 255 00:20:55,838 --> 00:21:00,760 So we were lucky it became some kind of a circus-night. 256 00:21:06,724 --> 00:21:11,562 The former minister of culture Karel Poma was also at the screening, he was 257 00:21:11,896 --> 00:21:13,189 invited by Veldeman. 258 00:21:13,564 --> 00:21:19,445 And after the screening he became surrounded with film journalists. 259 00:21:19,779 --> 00:21:24,074 The debate 'that the world of culture needed to be self-funded or not' 260 00:21:24,408 --> 00:21:25,659 was already going on. 261 00:21:25,993 --> 00:21:28,204 So everybody asked: "This is an independent production..." 262 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:30,998 “... Is this the kind of culture we are going to get?" 263 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:37,087 To which Karel Poma - may he rest In peace - replied: 264 00:21:37,421 --> 00:21:40,299 "But everybody did enjoy themselves." 265 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:42,468 Which - of course - was very true. 266 00:21:43,093 --> 00:21:45,346 "No, no reason to be so angry." 267 00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:46,639 "Wait." "No." 268 00:21:47,765 --> 00:21:50,601 "No need to run away, you're not going to get outside." 269 00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:54,980 The film has disappeared in the mists of cinema. 270 00:21:56,106 --> 00:21:59,151 They never made more than one 16mm copy of it. 271 00:21:59,777 --> 00:22:08,202 I used the only copy afterwards to screen at 'The Night of Bad Taste' at the 272 00:22:08,536 --> 00:22:11,664 Cartoons Cinema in Antwerp. 273 00:22:12,206 --> 00:22:18,879 And afterwards the dad of Luc Veldeman appeared, who couldn't see the 274 00:22:19,213 --> 00:22:20,965 fun of it anymore. 275 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:30,808 He asked for the one and only copy of "The Antwerp Killer", to which we complied. 276 00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:36,480 And he disappeared with this in the darkness of the Antwerp night... 277 00:22:36,814 --> 00:22:43,571 It's a fact that Luc - who was a good entrepreneur - made quite a few VHS tapes 278 00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:46,073 of "The Antwerp Killer". 279 00:22:46,699 --> 00:22:50,244 Which he had been selling door to door at all the video stores. 280 00:22:51,161 --> 00:22:57,918 A few months later followed by daddy Veldeman who again bought 281 00:22:58,252 --> 00:23:00,671 back all these tapes. 282 00:23:01,297 --> 00:23:08,470 If you have a tape of "The Antwerp Killer" in your collection, you can speak of 283 00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:11,015 a rare collectors item. 284 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,226 I don't laugh anymore, when I watch the film. 285 00:23:14,852 --> 00:23:16,312 This has as reason of course. 286 00:23:17,730 --> 00:23:24,153 The cast and the crew have been betrayed. 287 00:23:24,486 --> 00:23:28,699 The equipment has been thrown in the Antwerp river. 288 00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:35,039 But in the sense of 'how to fuck it up', I think "The Antwerp Killer" 289 00:23:35,372 --> 00:23:37,166 is a historic film. 290 00:23:39,335 --> 00:23:40,836 But still a disaster. 291 00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:56,477 Luc Veldeman became after the film a publisher, for the magazine 'Movie'. 292 00:23:57,102 --> 00:24:00,856 After a couple of years that venture of Veldeman also imploded, 293 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,487 and the last thing I heard, is that Luc - of course I can't verify it, 294 00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,991 but in the case of Veldeman it's not totally impossible... 295 00:24:11,408 --> 00:24:15,955 Is that he became a pimp at a Dutch escort bureau. 296 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:19,416 I told you guys, Veldeman is an entrepreneur. 297 00:24:27,841 --> 00:24:36,517 One of the better movies I worked on was "The Afterman”, from Rob Van Eyck. 298 00:24:37,226 --> 00:24:39,937 Also a rebel and an outsider. 299 00:24:40,354 --> 00:24:44,191 He made all his movies, except "De Aardwolf", without financial support. 300 00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:53,075 Through a combination of product placement and begging at local firms, he always 301 00:24:53,409 --> 00:24:56,412 managed to make his movies. 302 00:24:59,832 --> 00:25:02,876 We didn't have a screenplay. We shot during one year. 303 00:25:03,293 --> 00:25:07,256 We only knew it had to be a movie about a man who lived in a bunker 304 00:25:07,589 --> 00:25:08,841 after a nuclear bomb. 305 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:13,971 So we had no real idea what all his adventures were going to be. 306 00:25:14,304 --> 00:25:17,182 Every week I found a new location and a new idea came up. 307 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:21,437 Maybe he can do this, or let's try that. 308 00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:23,731 That's why there is winter, 309 00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:29,987 autumn, summer... every season is in the movie. That's what makes it so special. 310 00:25:30,612 --> 00:25:33,949 We shot this with a technical crew of 4 people. 311 00:25:34,283 --> 00:25:35,784 I did camera myself. 312 00:25:36,118 --> 00:25:41,165 And I'm still surprised | shot this kind of beautiful footage. 313 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:43,625 So you see, it's actually very easy to be a cameraman. 314 00:25:47,254 --> 00:25:49,381 I'm still surprised how we managed to shoot, 315 00:25:49,715 --> 00:25:55,012 without any continuity errors, over the period of one year. 316 00:25:56,138 --> 00:25:57,765 Not one. 317 00:25:58,098 --> 00:26:03,520 Because one time "The Afterman' (actor Jacques Verbist) was drunk and 318 00:26:03,854 --> 00:26:05,355 cut off his hair... 319 00:26:05,689 --> 00:26:13,280 So I solved this by showing the scene in the monastery where a monk is 320 00:26:13,614 --> 00:26:15,491 cutting his hair. 321 00:26:15,824 --> 00:26:16,992 That's how we fixed our mistakes. 322 00:26:19,411 --> 00:26:27,044 I met Jacques in 1973. He was a regular customer in my disco. 323 00:26:27,377 --> 00:26:34,551 Every time he came in, Jacques was like 'ugh this... and... that'. 324 00:26:34,885 --> 00:26:35,928 And then he was in "Mirliton". 325 00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,846 His best performance. 326 00:26:45,395 --> 00:26:48,190 I needed a schizophrenic person. 327 00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:52,653 Jacques always gave me the impression of being schizo. 328 00:26:52,986 --> 00:26:55,489 If he spoke, it sounded like... 329 00:26:56,949 --> 00:26:58,534 So I knew he was perfect. 330 00:26:58,867 --> 00:27:03,831 Maybe I'm a little schizo, who knows. 331 00:27:08,168 --> 00:27:10,587 And he didn't have any lines, so that was good. 332 00:27:10,921 --> 00:27:13,215 "Mirliton" is told through inner voice. 333 00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:27,604 And Jacques gave a fantastic performance. You really believe he's schizophrenic. 334 00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:32,818 Rob always needed naked women. 335 00:27:35,195 --> 00:27:40,325 I had a girlfriend, and though it was time she made some kind of career. 336 00:27:41,243 --> 00:27:42,703 She was called Franka Ravet. 337 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:46,915 She played the main role in a scene in a barn. 338 00:27:48,542 --> 00:27:52,838 And she gets fucked by the mail man. 339 00:27:53,463 --> 00:28:01,180 But she was always so stoned, it didn't always work. 340 00:28:01,513 --> 00:28:06,393 I told her through which door she had to enter... 341 00:28:06,810 --> 00:28:12,649 5 minutes later she already had forgotten what instructions I had given her... 342 00:28:13,066 --> 00:28:14,735 But hey, that's all part of the game. 343 00:28:15,569 --> 00:28:17,487 I would really like to find her again. 344 00:28:17,821 --> 00:28:19,948 She was the best shag of my life. 345 00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:31,210 It all happened, because of my Playboy shoot, and the pictures that 346 00:28:31,543 --> 00:28:32,836 Roger Dijkmans shot. 347 00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:37,466 Suddenly there was a call for two women. 348 00:28:38,383 --> 00:28:40,594 They wanted to shoot a pool scene. 349 00:28:42,262 --> 00:28:45,557 When they gave me more info, I discovered it was a lesbian scene. 350 00:28:45,891 --> 00:28:48,936 The shooting day was somewhere in an abandoned villa. 351 00:28:49,853 --> 00:28:53,023 Early in the morning and freezing cold, close to a race track. 352 00:28:53,357 --> 00:28:55,025 We had to do our own make-up. 353 00:28:55,359 --> 00:29:00,697 I was told that I had to swim a couple of lengths with her, 354 00:29:01,448 --> 00:29:05,369 and then you start kissing and caressing her. 355 00:29:05,702 --> 00:29:09,623 Then Rob told me Michele had to satisfy me. 356 00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:12,918 I was like: "Okay, do I have to sit on the corner of the pool?" 357 00:29:13,293 --> 00:29:14,503 “No, under water.” 358 00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:19,132 Michele was very anxious, because she couldn't dive. 359 00:29:19,466 --> 00:29:23,804 It was all so technical and we were freezing to death. 360 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,265 So we shot it very quick. 361 00:29:35,732 --> 00:29:41,071 Rob has so many progressive ideas, but he never got the budget to realize them. 362 00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:50,664 It really blew up in my face, because "The Afterman" starts with necrophilia. 363 00:29:51,873 --> 00:29:53,709 Unseen at that time (1985). 364 00:29:54,835 --> 00:29:59,548 Everybody was offended and thought it was too violent. 365 00:29:59,881 --> 00:30:00,966 Too much sex. 366 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:07,264 But how can you change something? Change people? 367 00:30:07,597 --> 00:30:13,729 By shocking them. There must be something controversial in a movie. 368 00:30:15,272 --> 00:30:17,733 Looking at it now, you might think: 369 00:30:18,066 --> 00:30:19,776 "What was all the fuss about?" 370 00:30:20,193 --> 00:30:24,823 But I remember that the original "The Afterman", distributed by Alta Films, was 371 00:30:25,157 --> 00:30:27,034 released in all the big cities, 372 00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:29,870 and didn't even do so bad. 373 00:30:30,203 --> 00:30:32,247 Of course it was a scandal success. 374 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:37,461 And because it was so different from the regular Flemish movies. 375 00:30:37,794 --> 00:30:41,298 This in a period that people still could be teased 376 00:30:41,631 --> 00:30:43,925 by seeing naked tits on the big screen. 377 00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:45,719 People did talk about a milestone. 378 00:30:46,428 --> 00:30:47,929 I acted very good. 379 00:30:48,472 --> 00:30:49,973 Not to blow my own horn, but yeah. 380 00:30:50,307 --> 00:30:51,767 The Americans placed it on the film market. 381 00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:55,937 It was Johan (James Desert) who made the deal with these Americans. 382 00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:58,190 And I told him he would get 25%. 383 00:30:58,523 --> 00:31:00,442 One day I got a phone call from them, 384 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:07,699 with the promise that I would receive $100,000 dollars by the end of the year. 385 00:31:08,033 --> 00:31:10,869 It became January, February... I said: "Damn". 386 00:31:12,204 --> 00:31:13,997 I called Johan, 387 00:31:14,748 --> 00:31:17,125 and asked him, if he had more news. 388 00:31:17,667 --> 00:31:19,628 He told me they went bankrupt. 389 00:31:20,045 --> 00:31:22,005 So it was fucked. 390 00:31:22,589 --> 00:31:24,424 Then Jacques, 'The Afterman', asked me 391 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:28,804 if they didn't transfer the money to Johan? 392 00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,680 What happened, nobody knows? 393 00:31:35,602 --> 00:31:39,022 The only thing I know is that Johan started a movie shortly after. 394 00:31:39,356 --> 00:31:44,111 Rob always has and always will be a controversial filmmaker. 395 00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:51,535 And he has also benefited from that numerously. 396 00:32:00,419 --> 00:32:02,712 Vandewoestijne's oeuvre... 397 00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,091 ... Is very brave. 398 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:11,513 Someone who can change 'Johan Vandewoestijne' into 'James Desert' for the 399 00:32:11,847 --> 00:32:15,183 international market, deserves great respect. 400 00:32:15,517 --> 00:32:16,560 John Desert, fantastic. 401 00:32:19,688 --> 00:32:23,859 We started shooting "Lucker" the week that Chernobyl exploded. 402 00:32:24,609 --> 00:32:28,488 It was my answer to the fact that I didn't get any funding from the 403 00:32:28,822 --> 00:32:30,615 ministry of culture. 404 00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,243 I said to myself: “I'm going to shoot a film 405 00:32:33,577 --> 00:32:37,372 which will make everyone shit their pants... 406 00:32:37,706 --> 00:32:44,588 A serial killer, who liked necrophilia, that was never seen before. 407 00:32:50,635 --> 00:32:51,970 We needed a rotten corpse, 408 00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,932 but what does that look like, right? 409 00:32:56,266 --> 00:33:00,103 So we contacted the police to ask if we could see some pictures. 410 00:33:00,437 --> 00:33:02,314 Police gave us insight into the archives. 411 00:33:02,939 --> 00:33:07,527 So we saw the most juicy things. 412 00:33:07,861 --> 00:33:09,905 We had a distributor called VDS, 413 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:11,698 owned and run by André Coppens. 414 00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:20,040 He payed us 800,000 Belgian Francs, for some territories. 415 00:33:20,415 --> 00:33:22,125 That was a lot of money. 416 00:33:24,836 --> 00:33:30,550 As soon as the film was ready, Coppens refused to distribute because of the 417 00:33:30,884 --> 00:33:32,594 film's violent content. 418 00:33:32,928 --> 00:33:36,723 And the 'video nasties' made everybody scared of violence. 419 00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:40,477 But it was Nico Bruidsma from the "Cult Video-store" in Amsterdam 420 00:33:40,810 --> 00:33:41,937 who discovered this. 421 00:33:42,312 --> 00:33:45,148 He ordered six hundred copies, 422 00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,068 and I had to sign them. 423 00:33:48,401 --> 00:33:50,904 So basically it was thanks to the "Cult Video- store" that "Lucker" was 424 00:33:51,238 --> 00:33:52,239 discovered around the world. 425 00:33:52,572 --> 00:33:58,870 The 'international success' - if you really can call it like that - sure 426 00:33:59,204 --> 00:34:00,580 Is gratifying... 427 00:34:00,914 --> 00:34:03,833 and it's also a well-deserved 'fuck you' to the naysayers. 428 00:34:04,668 --> 00:34:11,299 Another fun fact: DOP Serge Ghesquiere was a couple of years ago in the store of the 429 00:34:11,633 --> 00:34:14,261 Palace of Fine Arts in Brussels. 430 00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:18,348 And there, they also sold DVD's of Lucker. 431 00:34:18,682 --> 00:34:21,476 What used to be criticized is now considered art. 432 00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:23,645 Funny how things can turn out. 433 00:34:23,979 --> 00:34:27,816 "One chooses between success and failure, 434 00:34:28,525 --> 00:34:29,901 but most people don't know that." 435 00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:31,903 That is a real cult movie. 436 00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:32,988 With Kurt Van Eeghem ? 437 00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,072 I want to see that. 438 00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,200 Jesus dude, and we didn't see that. 439 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:39,578 "I am fantastic." 440 00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,414 Learning Success People, LSP. 441 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:46,084 Every big businessman followed that course. 442 00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:50,755 The story was written by a lawyer, 443 00:34:52,424 --> 00:34:53,883 Bossers, Chris Bossers. 444 00:34:55,093 --> 00:35:00,932 And I said to him: "I know people that were humiliated during that course." 445 00:35:01,266 --> 00:35:03,935 And being called names. 446 00:35:04,269 --> 00:35:05,645 They picked the weakest link of the group 447 00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:10,567 and in front of everybody they destroyed these people. 448 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:13,737 And actually there were people who committed suicide, 449 00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:16,823 but no one knew. 450 00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:26,499 It was almost worse than the Nazis. 451 00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:32,464 So we were going to put them straight, those organizers from the course. 452 00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:39,971 We put up huge banners with “SSP” on it, instead of the real “LSP” letters. 453 00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:46,102 And our guys had to give the Hitler salute. 454 00:35:46,436 --> 00:35:48,938 “Fantastic. Fantastic.” 455 00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:51,441 So that was another indictment. 456 00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:56,237 The organizers of the courses wanted to cut out the Hitler salute. 457 00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,783 And I refused. So the film never came out theatrically. 458 00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:02,911 Talk about freedom of speech. 459 00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:05,622 It's ridiculous. 460 00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:15,215 I am an anarchist, so I'm against power and order. 461 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,801 You can discover that in all of my films. 462 00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:23,348 "De Aardwolf" was for me the least interesting film to shoot. 463 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,768 Because I had to shoot with a complete crew... 464 00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,813 ... of around 25 people. 465 00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:34,526 I'd rather do it my own way. 466 00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:55,672 Johan has always been an outsider 467 00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,216 and he was never part of the establishment. 468 00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,970 As far as we have a film establishment. But he was never part of this. 469 00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:04,222 He always stubbornly did his own thing. 470 00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,350 "Rabid Grannies" is absolutely his claim to fame. 471 00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:10,770 Emmanuel Kervyn (director "Rabid Grannies"), 472 00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:15,692 was someone who was into martial arts. 473 00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:22,115 We were busy with a film called "Thalion", which was supposed to be financed by 474 00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:23,825 André Coppens from VDS. 475 00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:27,996 It was 4 weeks prior to shooting and I said: 476 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,332 "Coppens, you have to order the celluloid." 477 00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,252 His response was vague... 478 00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:38,631 So I knew that there was something rotten in the state of Denmark. 479 00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:43,845 Turned out, he never had so called millions in cash. 480 00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:49,893 So we had an entire prepared project. 481 00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:53,772 Were we supposed to just cancel the whole thing or what? 482 00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:58,318 I wasn't planning on shooting "Thalion" due to his big budget. 483 00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:01,571 So I said: “Why not make a horror movie?”. 484 00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:06,701 The rise of Johan... 485 00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:10,955 happened during the heyday of the VHS. 486 00:38:11,331 --> 00:38:14,083 This is one of the reasons that "Rabid Grannies" was in English. 487 00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:15,376 Although, English... 488 00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,297 Most of the actors were French with thick accents, 489 00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:22,967 whom received the English dialogues from someone out of frame and 490 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:24,511 needed to repeat this. 491 00:38:24,886 --> 00:38:25,678 And afterwards they dubbed this again. 492 00:38:26,012 --> 00:38:26,846 But even with the dubbing 493 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:28,681 this still sounds very weird. 494 00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:38,066 But once the film starts, the film has pace. 495 00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:40,068 It has some good jokes, 496 00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,196 with as a bonus, primitive, 497 00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:47,200 but very successful special effects. 498 00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,410 So in comparison with other genre titles 499 00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:52,580 "Rabid Grannies" is really, really fun. 500 00:38:52,914 --> 00:38:55,708 You maybe need to struggle through the first 20 minutes, 501 00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:58,920 but from then on "Rabid Grannies" Is a jolly good ride. 502 00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:10,306 Special FX guys are always a little crazy. 503 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,561 But the guys that did "Rabid Grannies" would most definitely take the cake. 504 00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,231 In the end, they made good stuff. 505 00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:21,526 Most of the time they seemed half-baked because of the ammonia they were 506 00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:22,819 using for all the latex. 507 00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:27,073 They also drank liters of gin every day. 508 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,201 But hey, they made good stuff... 509 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,044 I completely understand that "Rabid Grannies" was picked up for distribution 510 00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:41,671 by Troma Entertainment. 511 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:47,844 Who in the eighties were almost the market leaders in these kind of cult movies. 512 00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,972 They had thrown themselves on this title. 513 00:39:51,306 --> 00:39:55,143 One day I got a call from acquisitions director Jeffrey Sas, 514 00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:58,354 saying that they were interested in the film. 515 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,399 Troma was crazy about the title. 516 00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:03,651 They were going to send me information about Troma. 517 00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:07,739 After a couple of weeks I received a package with flyers 518 00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:09,741 explaining about Troma and such. 519 00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:11,826 I never heard of Troma before 520 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,787 and had no idea who Michael Herz was nor Lloyd Kaufman. 521 00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:20,251 After a couple of months we reached an agreement. 522 00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:36,851 When the film was in post, 523 00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:39,979 Jan Verheyen got in touch with me. 524 00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:43,483 Jan formed the company Independent Films and they wanted to 525 00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:45,276 distribute "Rabid Grannies". 526 00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,613 Cool, but there was also Marc Punt 527 00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:50,406 and Dirk Impens. 528 00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:56,663 I still have the impression that Impens was a bit scared, 529 00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:01,960 seeing us making a film for 4 million Belgian Francs, 530 00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:06,130 while they had budgets of around 25 million. 531 00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:12,303 If someone at the government could realize this... 532 00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:17,517 and stop the funding of films. 533 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:22,230 However, there was an agreement that Independent Films would take care 534 00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:23,731 of post-production. 535 00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:27,527 From then on Impens boycotted us. 536 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:43,584 So we moved our post-production to Lille, 537 00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:48,798 while everyone else thought the movie would never be finished. 538 00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:52,969 And then the 35mm print was ready, 539 00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:56,723 to every ones surprise of course... 540 00:41:57,306 --> 00:42:00,810 But Independent didn't want to distribute any longer. 541 00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:05,356 So we went to Atlas Films, a smaller distributor. 542 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:15,992 In 1988 we were in Cannes, and Troma had listed "Rabid Grannies" in their catalog. 543 00:42:16,617 --> 00:42:21,205 I ran into Dirk Impens on the Croissette, he was chomping at a big cigar. 544 00:42:21,831 --> 00:42:24,333 And he asked about 'our little film'. 545 00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:29,464 Impens was there with "Blueberry Hill", 546 00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:35,720 and he just sold all the rights to Japan for 15 or was it 25,000. 547 00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:36,971 I said: "very good", 548 00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:42,060 and continued: “we too... ... rights only for 45,000 549 00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:48,316 He gasped on his big cigar and walked away. 550 00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,401 And that was a good feeling. 551 00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:56,657 He got almost 800,000 Belgian Francs for it. 552 00:42:58,534 --> 00:43:00,328 Which is pretty good, right? 553 00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:09,170 I wanted to do something with the films of "Ilsa" and "Greta". 554 00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:11,380 "Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS" 555 00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:20,056 I just rented the VHS of “Not of This Earth”, directed by Jim Wynorski. 556 00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:22,725 It stars Traci Lords, who plays a sexy nurse. 557 00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:26,896 So I decided the film had to feature sexy nurses. 558 00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:37,281 I wanted to make a movie 559 00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:41,244 for the American film market. 560 00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:44,539 A while before I went to Troma in New York 561 00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:49,627 and told them I had the opportunity to make a film in Hungary. 562 00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:51,838 I had a friend over there 563 00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:54,799 who owned a studio. 564 00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:57,260 Troma asked me what it would be. 565 00:43:57,593 --> 00:44:00,263 It's for Troma. So I said: "Something with naked women and whips". 566 00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:03,141 That was all I said. 567 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:04,433 And they agreed. 568 00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:08,604 By then I had a budget and all the possibilities... 569 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:11,732 ... however scratch that. 570 00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:15,319 A lot of it came down to Troma. 571 00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:19,031 I had part of the budget from a wealthy friend here in Belgium. 572 00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:26,080 He was ready to invest in the film, 573 00:44:26,956 --> 00:44:31,544 but he wanted it to be serious and with a distributor. 574 00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:39,635 I didn't even have a script. 575 00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:42,930 So I flew to Hungary, 576 00:44:43,264 --> 00:44:44,056 on some kind of... 577 00:44:44,432 --> 00:44:45,641 ... Study trip. 578 00:44:45,975 --> 00:44:49,187 I did find some sets and a couple of actresses over there. 579 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,398 He did a lot of castings with naked women. 580 00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:05,953 Six women were selected. 581 00:45:07,163 --> 00:45:10,166 They shot in the morning, and in the afternoon... 582 00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:11,709 ... who knows? 583 00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:21,594 I produced that film, 584 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,222 but Johan Vandewoestijne 585 00:45:25,014 --> 00:45:27,600 was something of a co-producer. 586 00:45:27,934 --> 00:45:32,688 "Maniac Nurses" is a film written, directed and produced by Leon-Paul de Bruyn, 587 00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:34,106 once and for all. 588 00:45:34,649 --> 00:45:38,194 I did an effort to edit the film. 589 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:42,448 Because I was stuck with a broken foot. 590 00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:46,619 So I said to Leon “If you have a film, I will edit”. 591 00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:48,704 But that's it. 592 00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:57,588 He distances himself from that movie. I think it was too erotic for him. 593 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,260 It was made for VHS in America. 594 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:09,558 And my idea was also that maybe one day it could play on 42nd Street. 595 00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,770 When I visited Troma the first time, 596 00:46:13,312 --> 00:46:15,815 I discovered 42nd Street in New York. 597 00:46:16,941 --> 00:46:19,902 A very sublime and wild street, 598 00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:24,073 with dozens of cinemas, mostly sex cinemas. 599 00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:27,493 They screened lots of B-movies. 600 00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:30,329 And thanks to Troma it did play 601 00:46:30,663 --> 00:46:36,585 on a side-street of 42nd Street, not on the main street sadly. 602 00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:40,840 The film did very good and was sold worldwide. 603 00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:44,176 Japan was the first to buy "Maniac Nurses". 604 00:46:45,011 --> 00:46:48,139 But even Thailand, Korea, Russia, Italy. 605 00:46:48,681 --> 00:46:50,224 In Italy it even played on television. 606 00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:55,438 I was very happy that it was released in all those countries. 607 00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,440 It wasn't released in Belgium, 608 00:46:57,773 --> 00:47:02,737 but I didn't have a distributor here and I didn't look for one to be honest. 609 00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:10,995 The problem was that I was more interested 610 00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:15,166 In the images of certain scenes 611 00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:19,420 and thus losing sight of the story 612 00:47:20,046 --> 00:47:23,591 in all the adventure... Or during the adventure. 613 00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:32,058 "State of Mind" was a 'tripartite' production. 614 00:47:32,433 --> 00:47:34,060 Jan Doense from the Netherlands, 615 00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:39,273 me of course from Belgium and Jean-Bruno Castelain from Lille, France. 616 00:47:39,607 --> 00:47:42,735 I got to know Castelain by doing the post-production of "Rabid Grannies". 617 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:44,362 The shoot went well, 618 00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,450 but the relationship between Jan Doense and me was not good on set... 619 00:47:49,784 --> 00:47:53,621 ...but... now it's all good. 620 00:47:53,954 --> 00:47:58,000 But then it was not easy. 621 00:47:58,376 --> 00:48:04,173 Dutch people do things different. They like to keep everything structured, 622 00:48:04,507 --> 00:48:08,427 where Flemish people sometimes arrange things with a firm handshake. 623 00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:10,012 That caused some clashes. 624 00:48:10,346 --> 00:48:13,557 We had a distributor (Hills Entertainment), with a guy called Rick Van den Heuvel, 625 00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:17,395 but that guy was only working in film 626 00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:20,940 to fuck a lot of women. 627 00:48:21,273 --> 00:48:25,111 But he had a friend Sidney Ling. 628 00:48:25,486 --> 00:48:29,198 Also a dude with a lot of attitude. 629 00:48:29,532 --> 00:48:31,367 But he did set us up 630 00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,538 with Fred Williamson and Paul Naschy. 631 00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:44,922 Paul Naschy, or Jacinto Molina which was his real name, 632 00:48:47,174 --> 00:48:50,136 was still recovering from a triple bypass. 633 00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:53,013 A very nice guy, 634 00:48:53,347 --> 00:49:00,479 but the problem was that he only spoke Spanish or German, 635 00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:04,650 or a little French, but English was difficult. 636 00:49:04,984 --> 00:49:08,821 One time he had a scene on a bed 637 00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:12,825 and there was someone whispering the English lines to him from under the bed. 638 00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,995 He was still sick at that time. 639 00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,167 Fred Williamson was very nice, he brought along his wife. 640 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,462 And he liked being here for five days, while traveling through Europe. 641 00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:27,673 Plus it was an easy ten thousand dollars. 642 00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:31,594 I liked the film, 643 00:49:31,927 --> 00:49:38,100 but it didn't turn out to be a success. 644 00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:47,485 A while ago I had a project, 645 00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:55,242 a movie which was again in the vein of "Lisa". Something I keep going back to. 646 00:49:55,576 --> 00:49:57,411 "Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS". 647 00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:05,211 This project was called "SS Torture Hell". 648 00:50:07,171 --> 00:50:08,797 And the title says it all. 649 00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:16,889 It features a lot of torture scenes. 650 00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:21,143 Maybe you can describe it as what they call now 'torture porn'. 651 00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:29,318 It's a mix of 652 00:50:29,652 --> 00:50:31,570 the Frankenstein story and 653 00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:35,449 "Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS". 654 00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:40,663 I play a Nazi, who saved the brain of "Ilsa", 655 00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,707 and becomes transplanted in prostitutes, 656 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,835 who where kidnapped 657 00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:48,003 during the night 658 00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:51,090 in the Brussels nightlife. 659 00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:54,510 That's what I seem to remember. 660 00:51:02,643 --> 00:51:04,645 I started shooting this film 661 00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:08,649 but we ran into a couple of problems, 662 00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:10,776 especially the fact that the budget was too small. 663 00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:13,946 Also, one of the actresses went missing 664 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,074 who played one of the leads 665 00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:19,243 in the film. 666 00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:23,247 And we already shot around 40 minutes. 667 00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:25,332 And re-shooting was not an option. 668 00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:28,544 Plus the fact, that one of our financiers 669 00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:30,629 got caught up in a divorce 670 00:51:30,963 --> 00:51:32,131 and preferred not to be associated 671 00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:33,757 with this kind of exploitation movie. 672 00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:36,885 That could be rather delicate in his case. 673 00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:40,097 So the film never got finished. 674 00:51:40,723 --> 00:51:42,099 I still have the screenplay 675 00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:44,268 and I still like it. 676 00:51:45,185 --> 00:51:46,270 Maybe one day it will happen. 677 00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:49,481 I never gave up hope. 678 00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,526 But in retrospect, I am a little older 679 00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,571 and the urge to finish it 680 00:51:55,904 --> 00:51:56,780 IS gone. 681 00:51:57,906 --> 00:52:00,868 Especially in the porn genre 682 00:52:01,201 --> 00:52:02,953 I can do what I want 683 00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:06,165 and it gives me pleasure. 684 00:52:24,516 --> 00:52:27,019 "Alias" has a very complex history. 685 00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,397 It was - believe it or not - meant to be a movie 686 00:52:30,731 --> 00:52:34,610 for the production company D&D, from the Flemish soap "Wittekerke". 687 00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:39,406 But quickly it became clear that 688 00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:42,576 the group of actors disagreed about one fact, 689 00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:43,952 and that is quite typical. 690 00:52:44,286 --> 00:52:46,622 They had been counting the scenes, 691 00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:48,832 and been comparing the dialogues. 692 00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:53,003 And because it's not an exact science or something you can measure on a scale. 693 00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:57,174 It became a huge mess and total chaos. 694 00:52:57,508 --> 00:53:00,219 So I made my conclusion that it would be a no-go. 695 00:53:00,552 --> 00:53:01,428 "So here is nothing to grab?" 696 00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,430 "Come on man, think about it." 697 00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:05,599 But the story that Paul Koeck came up with 698 00:53:06,642 --> 00:53:07,685 had some very good elements. 699 00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:10,729 So we started working on that. 700 00:53:11,063 --> 00:53:13,065 We brought in another writer, Christophe Dirickx. 701 00:53:13,399 --> 00:53:15,109 Together we did “Everything Must Go”. 702 00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:16,860 That was a pleasant collaboration. 703 00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:18,987 It went step-by-step 704 00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:25,411 from a pretty straight forward thriller 705 00:53:26,245 --> 00:53:30,541 to a thriller, with a second act 706 00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:32,710 that can be described as horror. 707 00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:38,298 "Go ahead boy." 708 00:53:38,632 --> 00:53:41,260 There are some references to Argento, I think? 709 00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:44,179 An actress that I know falls naked out of a window, 710 00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:46,265 which is a very 'giallo'-beginning. 711 00:53:46,807 --> 00:53:51,395 As all the violent Italian thrillers 712 00:53:51,729 --> 00:53:53,856 from the seventies started, that is correct. 713 00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:57,943 And the ending, when an actor from the Flemish soap "Thuis" 714 00:53:58,444 --> 00:54:01,822 Is digging a grave in the garden, in the rain... 715 00:54:02,156 --> 00:54:02,990 Very gothic shots, 716 00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:07,035 but I don't see that as a big horror film. 717 00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:10,456 But definitely the closest that Jan Verheyen has come to the horror genre. 718 00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:12,374 "I don't share with anyone Albert." 719 00:54:12,708 --> 00:54:13,584 "I know Jan." 720 00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:15,085 "I know." 721 00:54:15,419 --> 00:54:17,045 "And now you want Eva as well." 722 00:54:19,715 --> 00:54:22,176 "You really are crazy." 723 00:54:22,926 --> 00:54:23,802 "Without a doubt.” 724 00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:33,395 I really liked it. 725 00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:36,607 And every time I watch it again, 726 00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,317 I still stand by it. 727 00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,319 The technical side is very good. 728 00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:43,530 Especially the camerawork by Philippe Van Volsem, one of his first films, 729 00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:45,699 and he really went all the way. 730 00:54:46,617 --> 00:54:49,787 The only problem was that the cinema audience in Flanders 731 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,957 didn't know how to react to this kind of hybrid picture. 732 00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:56,210 We did a test screening and halfway through the film, 733 00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,087 when everything starts to shift to horror, 734 00:54:59,421 --> 00:55:01,340 and they arrive at the mental institution 735 00:55:01,882 --> 00:55:05,427 and the gothic castle... 736 00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:08,138 ...you could actually feel during the test screening 737 00:55:09,348 --> 00:55:12,601 that we were losing the audience. 738 00:55:13,602 --> 00:55:14,394 "Do you like salmon?" 739 00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:17,940 A large part of the audience didn't accept 740 00:55:18,273 --> 00:55:20,400 or believe the change in tone. 741 00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:25,823 "Alias" clocked-out with 150,000 visitors, 742 00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:27,533 what was very disappointing. 743 00:55:27,866 --> 00:55:30,327 Which proves that I am an arrogant prick. 744 00:55:33,831 --> 00:55:37,960 Around the same time a film directed by Robert Zemeckis was released. 745 00:55:38,293 --> 00:55:39,837 "What Lies Beneath". 746 00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,214 A movie also with horror elements, 747 00:55:42,548 --> 00:55:44,383 which did very well at our box office. 748 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,135 So that made me thinking: 749 00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:52,724 if we made “What Lies Beneath” in Flemish, 750 00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:56,895 with our own actors, with the same technical means... 751 00:55:57,229 --> 00:56:00,691 After 30 minutes people would leave 752 00:56:01,024 --> 00:56:04,194 the cinema laughing out loud. 753 00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:05,904 They wouldn't believe it. 754 00:56:06,238 --> 00:56:09,032 But because it's in English 755 00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:10,200 and an American picture 756 00:56:10,534 --> 00:56:13,203 with all the glossiness, 757 00:56:13,537 --> 00:56:14,454 they get away with it. 758 00:56:14,788 --> 00:56:21,628 So that's when I learned that I had to restrain myself 759 00:56:22,254 --> 00:56:27,801 and stay away from horror. 760 00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:34,641 If I see some things that they made in the Netherlands and here in Belgium, 761 00:56:34,975 --> 00:56:41,732 I can state that my conclusion Is the right one. 762 00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:47,446 It's a pity he didn't go all the way. 763 00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:49,907 Maybe he should have gone further, who knows what happens? 764 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,826 I think that in his mind it would be a step back. 765 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,038 Jan has the capabilities 766 00:56:56,663 --> 00:57:00,125 and the right mentality to make such a film. 767 00:57:00,459 --> 00:57:03,337 But something holds him back. 768 00:57:04,046 --> 00:57:09,509 Harry Klimel is right about me, I didn't dare. 769 00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,887 But the entire Flemish film industry has this problem. 770 00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:15,015 Afraid to break barriers. 771 00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:18,018 'Horror' in the broadest sense of the word, 772 00:57:18,352 --> 00:57:22,022 and I also mean cult, fantasy, trash... 773 00:57:22,356 --> 00:57:24,191 That isn't really Flemish. 774 00:57:32,032 --> 00:57:34,826 Cinema... you give so much if you are making a film. 775 00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,578 It's about guts. 776 00:57:36,912 --> 00:57:38,705 I would like to see Jan making a real horror film. 777 00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,166 Especially with the knowledge that Jan has. 778 00:57:46,713 --> 00:57:50,342 After "Rabid Grannies", Lloyd and Michael from Troma asked me if we again could 779 00:57:50,676 --> 00:57:51,718 do something together. 780 00:57:52,052 --> 00:57:55,764 And they liked the screenplay of "Parts of The Family". 781 00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,600 I still wasn't planning to direct. 782 00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:02,771 And Leon told me that he wouldn't mind directing. 783 00:58:03,397 --> 00:58:08,568 It was the same as my job at VIM (Flemish TV Station). Somebody asks me to 784 00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:10,362 direct and I accept. 785 00:58:10,779 --> 00:58:12,364 As Robert Mitchell once said: 786 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:15,200 "I am a prostitute”. 787 00:58:15,534 --> 00:58:17,828 When you say open your legs, then I open them. 788 00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:27,587 "Parts of The Family" was because of the working relationship between 789 00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:29,715 me and Troma became... 790 00:58:30,048 --> 00:58:30,841 not bad, 791 00:58:31,174 --> 00:58:35,470 but we got more and more separated from each other. 792 00:58:35,804 --> 00:58:40,225 Because they edited the film completely wrong, 793 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,227 with stupid things in between. 794 00:58:42,561 --> 00:58:44,062 This without my approval. 795 00:58:44,396 --> 00:58:48,650 Johan Vandewoestijne and the screenwriter... 796 00:58:50,527 --> 00:58:52,738 wanted to make a very serious film. 797 00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,908 The problem was that the budget was so low 798 00:58:57,242 --> 00:59:02,748 that the special FX man was so bad 799 00:59:03,081 --> 00:59:05,709 that he didn't even knew what the word "gore" meant. 800 00:59:07,502 --> 00:59:10,547 And the actors weren't always excellent, to say the least. 801 00:59:10,881 --> 00:59:14,718 My idea was to make the film a bit more in the typical Troma-style. 802 00:59:17,929 --> 00:59:23,268 Andreas Schnaas came to visit me one day. I was working on a project with him. 803 00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:29,232 He is famous for the "Violent Shit"-trilogy, 804 00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:31,318 and a couple of other zombie movies. 805 00:59:31,651 --> 00:59:34,154 And "Parts of The Family" is also a zombie movie. 806 00:59:34,488 --> 00:59:37,199 He played a small part in "Parts of The Family" 807 00:59:37,532 --> 00:59:40,994 and those scenes became pretty campy. 808 00:59:41,411 --> 00:59:45,707 These scenes became a problem for the producer (Johan Vandewoestijne), 809 00:59:46,041 --> 00:59:50,337 and actress (Cecilia Bergqvist) was still confident that she would become a 810 00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:52,255 celebrity with this movie. 811 00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:58,678 So afterwards these scenes with Schnaas where cut by the producer, who 812 00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:00,305 also was the editor. 813 01:00:05,143 --> 01:00:08,939 Lloyd Kaufman and Troma became very angry of this... 814 01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:15,195 Troma decided to re-cut the film and added these scenes again. 815 01:00:15,904 --> 01:00:19,282 Sadly these were already destroyed or went 'missing'. 816 01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:21,535 Or something like that. 817 01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:26,665 So Troma got the idea to shoot these scenes again, 818 01:00:27,207 --> 01:00:30,001 or at least comparable to what we had before. 819 01:00:31,753 --> 01:00:33,713 That is the reason why you have two versions of "Parts of The Family". 820 01:00:34,047 --> 01:00:35,882 Both are failures... 821 01:00:36,216 --> 01:00:42,514 But I think the version of Troma is the one that leans the most to my original vision. 822 01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:50,647 Afterwards I decided that this was the last time that I worked with Troma. 823 01:00:52,816 --> 01:01:00,323 And that's how I started working with Quantum Entertainment in LA,. 824 01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:03,160 For "Engine Trouble". 825 01:01:11,293 --> 01:01:13,587 With Mark Ickx as director. 826 01:01:14,421 --> 01:01:16,715 He made the music for "Parts of The Family". 827 01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:26,808 We wanted to make something more mainstream assuming that it also 828 01:01:27,142 --> 01:01:29,436 would be more successful. 829 01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,104 But sadly that was not the case. 830 01:01:44,951 --> 01:01:50,081 We did a casting to find the perfect Osama Bin Laden. 831 01:01:51,499 --> 01:01:56,338 This on the day of the first anniversary of the 9/11 -attacks. 832 01:01:56,713 --> 01:02:00,508 In America everybody was sad. 833 01:02:01,218 --> 01:02:05,722 I was making fun here with Osama Bin Laden. 834 01:02:06,431 --> 01:02:10,685 On the day of the audition I arrived at the venue in the morning and I discovered 835 01:02:11,019 --> 01:02:12,896 press, camera- teams, TV-vehicles... 836 01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:22,948 From Reuters, to the German ZDF and the Swiss press, from all over the world. 837 01:02:23,531 --> 01:02:29,204 And then some guy arrives dressed as an Arabic. 838 01:02:29,788 --> 01:02:31,790 He says: "I am Bin Laden." 839 01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:35,961 I was thinking: "Okay", but he didn't say more. 840 01:02:37,087 --> 01:02:43,051 Jacques (Verbist) was a little afraid. He arrived at the venue with dark glasses. 841 01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:46,179 Jacques... is always afraid. 842 01:02:46,513 --> 01:02:50,558 If I was him, I wouldn't have used Bin Laden. 843 01:02:50,892 --> 01:02:57,107 But hey... he does things like that. He likes the attention. 844 01:02:57,857 --> 01:03:03,071 And suddenly a French police vehicle arrives. 845 01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:10,287 They rush into the hall shouting that a terrorist is at the scene. 846 01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,415 These cops grab the 'Bin Laden'-guy and cuff him. 847 01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:16,543 They shout: "Who organized this casting". "That was me". 848 01:03:16,876 --> 01:03:18,044 So they also wanted to cuff me. 849 01:03:18,378 --> 01:03:22,299 The word spreads around in all the surrounding cafes and bars. 850 01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:25,927 And everybody had been drinking from morning on. 851 01:03:26,261 --> 01:03:30,181 So all these young guys full of alcohol got the word that "Rob" would be arrested. 852 01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,352 So they arrived at the venue with the idea to kick some French ass. 853 01:03:34,686 --> 01:03:39,649 I calmed them down, with "it was only for the movie". 854 01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:52,912 Rob called me, telling me about "Afterman 2" and I would play in a hot swimming 855 01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,206 pool flashback scene. 856 01:03:55,749 --> 01:03:57,834 I was thinking: "Here we go again”. 857 01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,462 "Okay Rob, are we going to shoot In a swimming pool?" 858 01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:04,716 He replied: "Yes, a nice swimming pool and you'll get two lesbian girlfriends". 859 01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:09,804 Wow, I was convinced that Rob thought I really was a lesbian or something. 860 01:04:15,643 --> 01:04:22,150 I think that everybody liked working on Rob's sets. At least that is my impression. 861 01:04:22,484 --> 01:04:26,488 I remember a couple of stories with Rob on "Afterman 2". 862 01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:30,450 When I worked as assistant director (and also played a Nazi-officer). 863 01:04:30,825 --> 01:04:38,375 Rob made it seem that the private financiers would be able to step on the 864 01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:43,088 famous stairs at the Cannes Film Festival 865 01:04:43,421 --> 01:04:45,256 at the premiere of Afterman 2. 866 01:04:45,882 --> 01:04:49,803 Well, there was a premiere, but in a small room outside of the festival. 867 01:04:50,136 --> 01:04:51,596 No stairs and no tuxedos. 868 01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:55,433 So of course they were very disappointed. 869 01:04:55,767 --> 01:05:00,939 Van Dijck, my seller, told me he would take care of the sales of the 'Bin Laden'-film. 870 01:05:01,272 --> 01:05:05,276 And Cannes would be plastered with giant posters of Afterman 2. 871 01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:08,071 Well, he kept his word. There was a giant 872 01:05:08,405 --> 01:05:12,283 poster at the Hilton Hotel, as the American companies do. 873 01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:14,369 I said: "Holy fuck". 874 01:05:14,702 --> 01:05:16,996 And Bin Laden is pointing his finger... 875 01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:24,421 We had just arrived and we were looking at the freshly attached poster from the corner 876 01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,965 of "le bar du festival". 877 01:05:29,426 --> 01:05:31,761 And suddenly he gets a phone call from the director. 878 01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:34,264 Van Dijck was summoned to the main office. 879 01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:39,561 We got kicked out of the hotel and the poster needed to get removed immediately. 880 01:05:40,311 --> 01:05:45,733 I said to Fred: "And now?". Very dry, he told me he was leaving to the 881 01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,652 Formula-1 in Monaco. 882 01:05:47,986 --> 01:05:49,112 He said: "Figure it out". 883 01:05:49,446 --> 01:05:51,906 I still got a lot of unknown phone calls afterwards... 884 01:05:52,240 --> 01:06:00,331 where a voice asked if I made fun of Muslims and Bin Laden with this film. 885 01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:03,751 I always said: "No, it's a comedy". 886 01:06:18,433 --> 01:06:21,644 R. Kan Albay an Antwerp Turk or a Turk living in Antwerp, it is 887 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,104 still not clear to me. 888 01:06:23,438 --> 01:06:28,109 Has made, completely financed by private investments, a couple of low-budget films. 889 01:06:28,443 --> 01:06:33,907 Among them one notable genre film, called "The Flemish Vampire". 890 01:06:34,324 --> 01:06:37,368 With a couple of well-known Flemish actors like Sven De Ridder. 891 01:06:38,036 --> 01:06:40,163 Through someone who worked with us at the theater, 892 01:06:40,580 --> 01:06:49,172 who was befriended by, or the lover of, the person who made the score for the movie. 893 01:06:49,506 --> 01:06:51,716 He told me they were filming a vampire movie. 894 01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:56,638 I told him jokingly that if they still were searching for actors, they could call me. 895 01:06:57,847 --> 01:07:00,058 And a few weeks later, I receive a phone call 896 01:07:00,391 --> 01:07:03,853 from a guy called R. Kan Albay. 897 01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:08,107 He was very enthusiastic on the phone. 898 01:07:09,234 --> 01:07:10,193 And very sweet. 899 01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:15,114 I was a bit swept off my feet. 900 01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:16,449 "Are you sure, father?" 901 01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,620 "They are masters in seduction." 902 01:07:21,329 --> 01:07:22,539 When I was on the set, 903 01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:24,791 everything was very American. 904 01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:31,047 They were shouting stuff like, "Okay, Camera, Rolling". 905 01:07:33,216 --> 01:07:34,467 "Everybody ready." "Actors ready." 906 01:07:34,801 --> 01:07:38,263 Okay, this is the first time this happens on a Flemish set. 907 01:07:38,972 --> 01:07:39,973 "3,2,1.." 908 01:07:40,306 --> 01:07:41,474 "Action." 909 01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:44,310 R. Kan was very good at shouting "action". 910 01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:46,604 And of course "cut, cut". 911 01:07:46,938 --> 01:07:47,981 "Wonderful, people, wonderful." 912 01:07:48,314 --> 01:07:50,858 I was thinking: what did I get into? 913 01:07:51,192 --> 01:07:52,944 Is this "Candid Camera" or something? 914 01:07:53,486 --> 01:07:55,822 But no, it was all very serious. 915 01:07:56,155 --> 01:07:58,157 But in "Americano style". 916 01:08:01,369 --> 01:08:02,245 Which I like. 917 01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,627 I shot for almost two days. 918 01:08:10,169 --> 01:08:14,340 First I shot only one day, 919 01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:19,304 but a couple of months later I got a phone call 920 01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:23,182 telling me that I needed to come back to re-shoot everything. 921 01:08:30,857 --> 01:08:32,567 For me... 922 01:08:32,942 --> 01:08:34,569 this film never really worked, 923 01:08:34,902 --> 01:08:37,989 because it hadn't the financial means. 924 01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:43,953 It's the better amateur film, sometimes flirting with professional cinema. 925 01:08:44,287 --> 01:08:48,207 But finally more: "close but no cigar". 926 01:08:48,583 --> 01:08:50,293 Absolutely. I totally agree with Jan. 927 01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:53,671 I was sitting in the theater during the premier... 928 01:08:54,005 --> 01:08:55,423 announced with lots of rumor. 929 01:08:55,757 --> 01:08:56,466 But I was thinking... 930 01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:01,888 Oh my... One day they will ask me about this film in a documentary. 931 01:09:02,221 --> 01:09:03,348 And here I am. 932 01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:10,146 "Left Bank" was made as a 'Faits D'Hiver'. 933 01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,775 It was a TV movie for the VIM channel, 934 01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,695 to give young new talent a chance to make a feature with a low budget. 935 01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:19,405 Jan Verheyen was important in this story, 936 01:09:19,739 --> 01:09:21,699 as he was the godfather of the project. 937 01:09:22,033 --> 01:09:25,662 Very well directed and it looks great. Great atmosphere. 938 01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:36,089 The Flemish folklore is used almost the same way as in “The Wicker Man”. 939 01:09:36,422 --> 01:09:40,760 Dimitri, the brother of DOP Nicolas Karakatsanis, wanted to make 940 01:09:41,094 --> 01:09:42,428 his first feature. 941 01:09:44,597 --> 01:09:45,848 He had an idea about 942 01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:48,685 a black hole in an apartment. 943 01:09:49,811 --> 01:09:53,398 Dimitri is a good friend, so I did my best to develop this story with him. 944 01:09:54,065 --> 01:09:59,654 Some time went by. And Dimitri told me that it would be more a project for me. 945 01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:04,534 Simultaneously I was developing "Dirty Mind", which of course is a comedy. 946 01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:08,496 And I noticed that I was working on two stories about 947 01:10:09,122 --> 01:10:14,752 difficult relationships, that become dark. 948 01:10:15,962 --> 01:10:20,591 For me it was interesting to try to tell this kind of story as a 949 01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:22,927 psychological horror movie. 950 01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:26,139 Something as the Japanese ♪-horror... 951 01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:27,473 as "Dark Water". 952 01:10:27,807 --> 01:10:30,435 I personally wouldn't call “Left Bank” a horror film, but it has elements: 953 01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:34,397 Like a knee that splits open and some nasty stuff comes out. 954 01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:37,608 During the promotional interviews of "Left Bank", 955 01:10:37,942 --> 01:10:40,069 we couldn't call it a horror movie. 956 01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:46,033 We could say that it was a film with 'some horror elements'. 957 01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:51,164 I make movies, and mostly I discover what kind of genre it is at the end. 958 01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:53,249 I don't start with the idea to make a horror film. 959 01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:55,334 I made a film about a girl living in 960 01:10:55,668 --> 01:10:58,546 Leftbank, which is a horrible place. 961 01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:03,259 Probably one of the most scary places in Belgium. 962 01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:06,179 "I don't know anybody that lives in Leftbank." 963 01:11:06,637 --> 01:11:10,016 "My grandmother is the landlady, so I could rent cheap." 964 01:11:10,558 --> 01:11:12,101 It was great to work with Eline. 965 01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:14,270 Eline is very talented. 966 01:11:14,771 --> 01:11:19,650 I think Pieter is one of the few directors, that works the best for me. 967 01:11:19,984 --> 01:11:25,573 He dares to say to me: "Eline, this is not okay". 968 01:11:25,907 --> 01:11:27,116 "Or do it again, but better." 969 01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:32,330 The difficulty with "Left Bank" for Eline was, that she hadn't a lot of 970 01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:33,998 camera experience. 971 01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:36,626 And she needed to act with somebody as Matthias Schoenaerts. 972 01:11:37,043 --> 01:11:40,880 Who wasn't the 'Matthias Schoenaerts' he IS now. 973 01:11:41,214 --> 01:11:45,468 My producers discouraged me to work with Matthias. They told me he was unreliable. 974 01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:49,472 He is not going to show up. We're making a low budget film and cannot afford that. 975 01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:51,724 I told them he was good, he has such an energy. 976 01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:53,810 They told me there were other good actors. 977 01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:56,771 So I fought tooth and nail to work with Matthias. 978 01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:01,067 But on the set you could see - and of course everybody knows what 979 01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,193 he became today... 980 01:12:02,527 --> 01:12:05,279 You have this raw power that he oozes. 981 01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:13,621 And to keep yourself standing as a debutante actress is not easy. 982 01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:15,706 So she did great. 983 01:12:16,415 --> 01:12:19,293 I remember one time, I wanted to make her feel comfortable. 984 01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:23,965 So we made a black pit, even without knowing how to make this... 985 01:12:24,298 --> 01:12:27,301 In a studio we made a huge hole 986 01:12:27,635 --> 01:12:33,266 and filled it with water and black glucose syrup. 987 01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:37,520 It was a deep pit full of liquid sugar, 988 01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,605 which looked very creepy. 989 01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:41,691 Eline said: "Do I have to go in there?". 990 01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:46,988 So I told her that I would go in, during lunch, and that she could see it was okay. 991 01:12:48,197 --> 01:12:50,032 And that was so scary. 992 01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:52,243 Because once you go in, almost instantly the black sugar 993 01:12:52,577 --> 01:12:54,203 enters directly in your nose and ears, 994 01:12:54,537 --> 01:12:57,248 SO you can't breathe anymore. 995 01:12:57,582 --> 01:12:59,417 I started freaking out and screaming like a girl. 996 01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:01,586 And after that, Eline still needed to go in... 997 01:13:03,754 --> 01:13:06,632 I needed to go in completely and stay under as long as possible, 998 01:13:06,966 --> 01:13:12,013 so that they could take a long shot of the still 'water... 999 01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:19,312 No idea if it was because of the cold that I couldn't breathe, 1000 01:13:19,687 --> 01:13:21,939 but my body went into shock. 1001 01:13:22,273 --> 01:13:24,108 Sorry for all this, Eline. 1002 01:13:30,031 --> 01:13:36,203 What I will always remember is that Matthias let himself never feel rushed. 1003 01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:39,040 You are doing a shoot, you need to shoot 12 scenes a day. 1004 01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:45,713 You are running after everything, action and cut... Which scene is next ? No idea... 1005 01:13:46,047 --> 01:13:47,173 Okay. 1006 01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:49,383 But things go wrong, the next set is not ready, 1007 01:13:49,717 --> 01:13:51,636 so you decide to choose another side, and it's too dark, 1008 01:13:51,969 --> 01:13:54,597 so you decide to go back to the other side... 1009 01:13:54,931 --> 01:13:56,557 That kind of shoot. 1010 01:13:56,933 --> 01:14:01,020 And in these situations Matthias would go to the bathroom for 20 minutes... 1011 01:14:01,854 --> 01:14:06,150 And good for him, because he was on top of his game. 1012 01:14:06,484 --> 01:14:11,280 While Eline was running with us, 1013 01:14:11,614 --> 01:14:13,366 so you could sense she was exhausted, 1014 01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:14,575 but she did her very best. 1015 01:14:24,585 --> 01:14:31,008 Funny fact: one or two years before "Left Bank" the movie "Meisje" got released. 1016 01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:32,426 A film also with Matthias Schoenaerts. 1017 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,553 And I had difficulties at school. 1018 01:14:34,887 --> 01:14:38,849 I almost flunked, was always having problems with teachers... 1019 01:14:39,976 --> 01:14:42,812 I remember I said to myself: "That's why I need to succeed." 1020 01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:46,148 "One day I want to have a love- scene with Matthias Schoenaerts." 1021 01:14:50,403 --> 01:14:54,198 To this day people keep mailing me about "Left Bank". 1022 01:14:54,615 --> 01:15:00,371 Every year I get various Facebook messages from all over the world 1023 01:15:00,705 --> 01:15:03,499 from people whom discovered the film. 1024 01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:06,669 "Left Bank" did have a career in the USA. 1025 01:15:07,003 --> 01:15:08,713 IFC bought the film. 1026 01:15:09,171 --> 01:15:11,173 Because it was labeled as a horror movie. 1027 01:15:11,507 --> 01:15:14,969 The film sold around 30,000 tickets 1028 01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:21,225 and has a hardcore fan base of maybe 50 people in Japan, 1029 01:15:21,559 --> 01:15:23,394 who sometimes send out fan mail... 1030 01:15:24,478 --> 01:15:28,274 This should have been more in my humble opinion, because the film 1031 01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:29,859 deserves a lot more. 1032 01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:32,987 “Left Bank" is a very powerful film. 1033 01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,949 But of course when you screw up the ending of your film, you have a problem. 1034 01:15:37,324 --> 01:15:42,163 Because the ending dictates the feeling of the audience when they leave the cinema. 1035 01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:49,962 I think it's important that you know from the start what to fear in a horror film. 1036 01:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,464 And with "Left Bank" I had the feeling 1037 01:15:51,797 --> 01:15:55,718 that I only knew at the end where the danger was hidden. 1038 01:15:56,052 --> 01:15:57,803 That is a very strong film. 1039 01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:00,097 Except the last ten minutes... 1040 01:16:00,514 --> 01:16:01,974 The rebirth? 1041 01:16:02,349 --> 01:16:03,100 What? 1042 01:16:03,601 --> 01:16:05,227 Marilou Mermans with a crossbow? 1043 01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,437 What? 1044 01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:13,360 If I am the only one that likes the ending, maybe there is indeed a problem. 1045 01:16:13,694 --> 01:16:14,779 I can admit that. 1046 01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:17,656 But except from everything: 1047 01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:22,828 I remain convinced of the concept that we created at the end. 1048 01:16:23,954 --> 01:16:25,873 But it was so low budget. 1049 01:16:26,207 --> 01:16:30,044 And I think that we failed in the execution of the ending, 1050 01:16:30,377 --> 01:16:31,629 to make it really convincing. 1051 01:16:31,962 --> 01:16:34,131 You have a nice buildup of tension 1052 01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:36,425 and then it goes... 1053 01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:39,011 And the audience is probably thinking: "What just happened?". 1054 01:16:40,554 --> 01:16:43,682 The ending maybe needed to be longer or something. 1055 01:16:44,058 --> 01:16:47,978 We had some extra shots of the building that started cracking 1056 01:16:48,312 --> 01:16:51,232 and dirt that gets inside, through cracks and such. 1057 01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,652 What could have been put in the movie to accentuate the buildup more. 1058 01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:57,238 The editor persuaded me that we didn't need it. 1059 01:16:57,571 --> 01:16:58,531 That it would work better 1060 01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:00,282 with a more abrupt twist. 1061 01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:01,534 But now I think that the film 1062 01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:05,579 needed the extra shots to better announce the ending. 1063 01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:24,265 We wanted to make something like, you know, M. Night Shyamalan... 1064 01:17:24,598 --> 01:17:26,642 Aargh, what is that movie called again? 1065 01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:29,061 "I see dead peoples"... 1066 01:17:29,728 --> 01:17:30,813 "The Sixth Sense"? Right. 1067 01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:37,903 This was the first movie that we didn't shoot on 'film'. 1068 01:17:39,321 --> 01:17:46,036 I am sure that a lot of movies, because of the costs of film materials, couldn't be 1069 01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,330 financed ten years ago, 1070 01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:52,793 but are now possible because these costs can be cut out of the budget. 1071 01:17:59,967 --> 01:18:02,595 It was a pity that we had to shoot during weekends. 1072 01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:07,141 So finally we have been shooting for more than three and a half months. 1073 01:18:07,474 --> 01:18:09,185 And that is terrible... 1074 01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:14,648 So I promised myself to shoot again as in the old days, only during the week and 1075 01:18:14,982 --> 01:18:16,483 the weekend is sacred. 1076 01:18:31,165 --> 01:18:36,295 I made a short that shows what happens at the end of "The Afterman": 1077 01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:41,383 Global warming, people are living like rats with gas masks. 1078 01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:43,594 The after man walks around with a mask. 1079 01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:48,057 And mutations everywhere, people changing into beasts. 1080 01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,101 I wanted to make it strong enough for "Afterman I". 1081 01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:56,106 But you need a beginning of course. 1082 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,235 And I didn't have the means to go out and shoot it. 1083 01:19:00,361 --> 01:19:05,407 So I added footage from "Blue Belgium" and footage from my other films. 1084 01:19:05,741 --> 01:19:09,662 So I made a whole new edit and it ends with "Anno 2033". 1085 01:19:10,204 --> 01:19:11,747 That is "Afterman Ill", sadly. 1086 01:19:27,805 --> 01:19:30,516 A totally fucked up horror movie with a living placenta. 1087 01:19:31,558 --> 01:19:32,518 That idea was so funny 1088 01:19:32,851 --> 01:19:35,729 that we had fun with it for 6 months. 1089 01:19:36,063 --> 01:19:37,064 The moment... 1090 01:19:37,898 --> 01:19:40,776 that we decided to make the film, 1091 01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:43,153 it already existed because of all the jokes. 1092 01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:46,073 So it was written really fast. 1093 01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:50,869 It was our graduation film. 1094 01:19:57,126 --> 01:20:01,380 The screenplay was a good casting filter. 1095 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,925 So you could instantly decide if somebody was interested. 1096 01:20:06,135 --> 01:20:10,222 We received replies like 'I don't like beating up placentas'. 1097 01:20:12,391 --> 01:20:14,310 But also things like 'Wow'. 1098 01:20:15,436 --> 01:20:17,354 Karel (Vingerhoets) was persuaded because, 1099 01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:21,692 they always call him to play the good father or granddad. 1100 01:20:22,026 --> 01:20:23,527 He never gets something crazy. 1101 01:20:23,861 --> 01:20:25,821 Now he got the chance to play something completely different. 1102 01:20:26,155 --> 01:20:29,867 I think you notice that, with his acting in the film 1103 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,036 that he is having great fun. 1104 01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:38,208 It was also great to work with Celine (Verbeeck). 1105 01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:41,420 No idea if she liked working with us... 1106 01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:48,635 I think she liked us, but not... one of her co-stars. 1107 01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:53,849 But Celine is a very warm person to have on a set. 1108 01:20:54,308 --> 01:20:56,018 Very professional. 1109 01:21:05,486 --> 01:21:10,532 In the beginning we had a big crew, 1110 01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,660 but because we didn't have a budget to pay people 1111 01:21:13,994 --> 01:21:18,957 we couldn't ask people anymore to help us for the rest of the shoot. 1112 01:21:20,751 --> 01:21:26,173 At the end of the shoot we used our house as a location 1113 01:21:26,507 --> 01:21:30,260 and with the placenta on one hand I was doing sound and camera... 1114 01:21:30,594 --> 01:21:32,513 While I was also doing other stuff. 1115 01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,643 I wouldn't have it any other way to make the placenta ourselves. 1116 01:21:37,976 --> 01:21:41,897 And to do everything, like all the special effects. 1117 01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:43,982 It was with a lot of pleasure. 1118 01:21:44,525 --> 01:21:47,027 I do think that I lost 5 years of my life 1119 01:21:47,361 --> 01:21:49,113 because I slept in the room 1120 01:21:49,446 --> 01:21:51,198 where we made the placenta 1121 01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:54,410 In polyester and other nasty chemicals we used. 1122 01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:03,794 I see the film as a success. 1123 01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:07,464 When we were writing the film... 1124 01:22:08,048 --> 01:22:09,967 it was always the idea to make something 1125 01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:12,386 that could find its way in the commercial circuit. 1126 01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:17,266 So we made sure to choose a specific topic, 1127 01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:21,520 so we could put stuff in it, that would sell the film. 1128 01:22:23,689 --> 01:22:27,693 The only thing that Lloyd Kaufman from Troma asked us, 1129 01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:30,904 was the use of the word "placenta” in the title. 1130 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,032 The rest didn't matter for him. 1131 01:22:34,366 --> 01:22:37,995 So the release with the American title was our idea. 1132 01:22:38,328 --> 01:22:42,374 It was a commercial choice to change the title for the US market. 1133 01:22:43,292 --> 01:22:45,502 We both wouldn't mind. 1134 01:22:50,716 --> 01:22:55,846 When I shot "Lucker" I was 23 years old. I was very young and inexperienced. 1135 01:22:56,180 --> 01:23:00,767 I wasn't mature enough to direct. 1136 01:23:01,101 --> 01:23:06,356 That is why I didn't direct for so many years. Until around 2011, 1137 01:23:09,651 --> 01:23:15,741 when people started telling me, if I had made the movie, the result would 1138 01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:17,826 have been different. 1139 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:24,082 And directly after, I directed a couple of movies for the city. 1140 01:23:25,751 --> 01:23:29,671 And that was a lot more fun than years ago. 1141 01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:31,924 "This is very good merchandise." 1142 01:23:32,257 --> 01:23:34,426 "It is the same that Andras Pandy used." 1143 01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,428 "Until his daughter betrayed him of course." 1144 01:23:36,762 --> 01:23:40,307 I wanted to have fun. So when I couldn't 1145 01:23:40,641 --> 01:23:45,979 catch sleep again, I decided to start on a screenplay. 1146 01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:51,109 One thing led to another and everything fell into place quite fast. 1147 01:23:51,568 --> 01:23:59,701 “Todeloo" is a strange movie, which balances between regional amateur cinema 1148 01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:03,705 and something with more ambition. 1149 01:24:04,915 --> 01:24:08,919 But for me it is more a regional... 1150 01:24:09,962 --> 01:24:12,047 a very regional thing. 1151 01:24:12,798 --> 01:24:15,175 Yes, in fact it is, it is. 1152 01:24:24,643 --> 01:24:27,980 I'm not an author, just let me try to make a horror film. 1153 01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:39,533 You will never be ready for your first feature. 1154 01:24:39,866 --> 01:24:44,705 There was extra pressure because this was an original story and not an adaptation 1155 01:24:45,038 --> 01:24:46,373 of a novel or a comic. 1156 01:24:46,707 --> 01:24:48,667 I'm very pleased with it, because it's also autobiographic. 1157 01:24:49,001 --> 01:24:51,962 It was a bit of a leap of faith. 1158 01:24:52,796 --> 01:24:57,384 During pre-production we asked ourselves whether or not Belgium wanted 1159 01:24:57,718 --> 01:24:59,177 another horror movie. 1160 01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:03,265 I was very pleased with the support of the Flemish Audiovisual Fund (VAF). 1161 01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:07,144 Surprising, because there is some violence in the movie. 1162 01:25:07,477 --> 01:25:10,439 Some people would call it 'exploitation'. I don't think it is. 1163 01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:14,818 In the contract of the VAF is written 1164 01:25:16,028 --> 01:25:18,905 that it cannot be exploitation if you want to receive funding, 1165 01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:23,910 and there has to be an educational purpose. 1166 01:25:24,244 --> 01:25:27,372 So I still don't understand how we got the money. 1167 01:25:28,165 --> 01:25:31,293 Maybe "Cub" is educating in a way that I didn't anticipate myself. 1168 01:25:31,627 --> 01:25:35,380 It is a perception or the idea 1169 01:25:35,714 --> 01:25:37,466 that filmmakers have 1170 01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:40,594 to automatically say: "This will never get accepted by the VAF". 1171 01:25:40,927 --> 01:25:44,765 Or "they will never go for this" 1172 01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:46,099 and that is so wrong. 1173 01:25:46,683 --> 01:25:48,935 We want quality films. 1174 01:25:49,269 --> 01:25:51,188 In every genre. 1175 01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:54,274 This means 'yes to art-house', 1176 01:25:54,608 --> 01:25:55,317 but also mainstream. 1177 01:25:55,651 --> 01:25:57,402 As long as these are good. 1178 01:26:08,914 --> 01:26:15,295 We did our best to hype "Cub" through Facebook, because we didn't have 1179 01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:18,215 money to do it differently. 1180 01:26:18,548 --> 01:26:20,592 We were happy with what was happening on-line. 1181 01:26:21,426 --> 01:26:24,846 But when the film was released, the Belgian film commission decided 1182 01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:30,644 "Cub" was rated for all ages. 1183 01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:35,107 "Cub" stars twelve year old kids so they thought twelve year old kids 1184 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:36,900 could also see the film. 1185 01:26:37,234 --> 01:26:40,028 I was offended. Apparently I didn't make the horror hardcore enough 1186 01:26:40,362 --> 01:26:43,532 because kids could watch the film and that is not okay. 1187 01:26:44,491 --> 01:26:47,869 It's not because kids are the leads that it's suitable for kids. 1188 01:26:48,286 --> 01:26:52,374 But later it caused some controversy and they changed the commission, 1189 01:26:52,708 --> 01:26:54,543 so we unwillingly reformed the film commission, 1190 01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:55,669 which I am happy about. 1191 01:26:56,002 --> 01:27:01,216 It was a few select people that did it on their free time. Or so it seemed... 1192 01:27:01,550 --> 01:27:06,179 After "Cub" they left the commission and asked others to take over. 1193 01:27:06,513 --> 01:27:10,350 So at least we contributed to that. 1194 01:27:15,522 --> 01:27:20,694 In Belgium some described "Cub" as a rather tame horror film, 1195 01:27:21,027 --> 01:27:22,904 so I somewhat failed. 1196 01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:29,035 But as the film opened abroad I could see the different issues arising. 1197 01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:36,126 In the US the 'violence against animals' and the fact that most of the actors are 12 1198 01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:38,545 years old were a problem. 1199 01:27:38,879 --> 01:27:42,382 And the main reasons there hasn't been a remake. 1200 01:27:46,636 --> 01:27:49,973 When a film starts to travel around the world, it's especially good for your ego. 1201 01:27:51,099 --> 01:27:57,189 Belgian newspapers make it look like you are some kind of "wunderkind", 1202 01:27:57,522 --> 01:28:01,359 but in reality you don't have the best distribution deals, 1203 01:28:01,693 --> 01:28:06,656 you have the most ugly DVD covers, for example in Turkey or the USA. 1204 01:28:07,574 --> 01:28:09,826 The film played for one day in the British Prince Charles cinema, 1205 01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,829 which is a very cool venue, but only 'one day'?... 1206 01:28:13,163 --> 01:28:15,874 Just to honor the contract. 1207 01:28:16,208 --> 01:28:19,002 So it's a reality check. 1208 01:28:19,336 --> 01:28:21,797 But it's fun to discover the world through all the festivals 1209 01:28:23,423 --> 01:28:26,468 and doing drunk Q&A's after the screening is always fun. 1210 01:28:27,761 --> 01:28:30,555 It amazed me that "Cub" has been released 1211 01:28:30,889 --> 01:28:33,767 in Italy, in the USA and the UK, which I wanted. 1212 01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:40,023 But the film wasn't released in Belgium with French subtitles. 1213 01:28:42,275 --> 01:28:46,196 I am a very big fan of Fabrice Du Welz. 1214 01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:49,324 But try to see Alléluia in a Flemish cinema, 1215 01:28:49,658 --> 01:28:51,952 on this side of the country, that is very difficult. 1216 01:28:52,619 --> 01:28:54,621 And that's crazy, because the man is a genius. 1217 01:28:55,413 --> 01:28:57,207 Horror will always be an underdog genre. 1218 01:28:57,541 --> 01:29:01,878 I bet that all the people you talked to, have encountered the same opposition. 1219 01:29:02,212 --> 01:29:03,088 So, I don't care 1220 01:29:03,421 --> 01:29:08,176 and I am happy to be in this inner circle of the people that tried. 1221 01:29:08,552 --> 01:29:12,597 I was very happy with "Cub”. Very glad that Jonas dared to try it. 1222 01:29:12,931 --> 01:29:13,640 But sorry... 1223 01:29:13,974 --> 01:29:19,896 Around 80,000 tickets sold, some video sales here and there, 1224 01:29:20,230 --> 01:29:22,774 and a couple of midnight screenings at some film festivals. 1225 01:29:27,028 --> 01:29:28,947 For me these aren't the kind of numbers 1226 01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:32,158 and go out to make one myself. 1227 01:29:36,037 --> 01:29:40,709 I pitched it to director Jan Verheyen long before shooting 1228 01:29:42,878 --> 01:29:50,969 and he told me that the Flemish language makes it less scary. 1229 01:29:51,303 --> 01:29:54,055 I hope I convinced people otherwise. 1230 01:29:55,223 --> 01:29:58,059 I am not sure that 85,000 admissions is the ceiling. 1231 01:29:58,393 --> 01:29:59,936 That's what we got. 1232 01:30:00,478 --> 01:30:01,271 But I don't think so. 1233 01:30:01,605 --> 01:30:07,152 The ceiling is only the ceiling until the moment 1234 01:30:07,485 --> 01:30:11,615 a new genre film breaks it and crosses over into the mainstream. 1235 01:30:11,948 --> 01:30:13,867 That will be the new ceiling. 1236 01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,997 "Cub" has been sold as horror, horror, horror... 1237 01:30:19,331 --> 01:30:23,168 and even more on the fact that it is a slasher, in the marketing. 1238 01:30:23,501 --> 01:30:26,129 And by doing this you know that you will address a specific audience. 1239 01:30:26,463 --> 01:30:29,966 For a niche kind of film it is amazing what "Cub" did. 1240 01:30:31,176 --> 01:30:36,806 And I think it has more to do with how Jonas Govaerts made the genre acceptable. 1241 01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,935 How he talked about it. 1242 01:30:42,103 --> 01:30:44,022 And also probably because he Is such a cool boy. 1243 01:30:44,356 --> 01:30:46,232 All the kids where thinking: "What a cool cat". 1244 01:30:46,566 --> 01:30:48,276 "We need to see that film." 1245 01:30:56,201 --> 01:31:01,831 The screenplay is partly based on the life of Jeffrey Dahmer, 1246 01:31:02,165 --> 01:31:08,088 the notorious American serial killer. And also a little on Andras Pandy. 1247 01:31:09,214 --> 01:31:11,800 So you can be sure that this is a very romantic film... 1248 01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:19,557 Through Ruth Vanhuyse I got in touch with a bunch of models. 1249 01:31:23,103 --> 01:31:25,814 And then we started with the castings. 1250 01:31:26,940 --> 01:31:31,486 They needed to be... pretty, 1251 01:31:33,405 --> 01:31:36,908 not afraid to show a boob 1252 01:31:37,242 --> 01:31:39,452 and talk some decent English. 1253 01:31:45,625 --> 01:31:52,924 And during these castings we came across Sharon (Slosse, the main actress). 1254 01:32:02,017 --> 01:32:06,813 They still make a lot of horror, because worldwide there is a very loyal 1255 01:32:07,147 --> 01:32:08,565 crowd for these films. 1256 01:32:08,898 --> 01:32:10,567 I admire these fans by the way. 1257 01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:15,697 As you discovered here: you need to swim through a lot of crap 1258 01:32:16,031 --> 01:32:19,868 to find a diamond, so you can say: "yes, yes, I made a discovery". 1259 01:32:20,201 --> 01:32:24,205 But every year you have a few movies that jump out to the masses. 1260 01:32:24,581 --> 01:32:29,335 So theoretically, it must be possible 1261 01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:37,844 to make something in Flemish which can become one of these exceptions. 1262 01:32:38,344 --> 01:32:46,102 If they keep on opposing exploitation films, if it's horror or even action... 1263 01:32:47,687 --> 01:32:52,275 If the establishment keeps looking down, 1264 01:32:52,609 --> 01:32:54,194 then things will never change. 1265 01:32:54,527 --> 01:32:57,489 If you ask the government for funding with something controversial, 1266 01:32:57,822 --> 01:32:59,657 they will put their hands in the air to protest. 1267 01:33:00,784 --> 01:33:02,660 I don't want to hurt people... 1268 01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:06,956 but it needs to have some quality. 1269 01:33:07,582 --> 01:33:11,878 I think you can't compare the work of Harry Kümel with the one of Johan 1270 01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:13,296 Vandewoestijne... 1271 01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:17,383 Johan Vandewoestijne is a very proud exploitation director, 1272 01:33:18,009 --> 01:33:22,514 while Harry Kümel is an author who worked in various genres, 1273 01:33:22,847 --> 01:33:25,642 and couldn't realize all of his projects, because of his international ambitions. 1274 01:33:25,975 --> 01:33:31,981 The revival of the Flemish film started with "The Alzheimer Case". 1275 01:33:32,315 --> 01:33:34,067 Which is a genre film. 1276 01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,152 It's of course not horror, but a genre film. 1277 01:33:36,486 --> 01:33:39,197 Something I would like to see 1278 01:33:39,531 --> 01:33:41,199 are good screenplays, in any genre. 1279 01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:43,535 It's that simple. 1280 01:33:44,077 --> 01:33:47,831 Our audiovisual industry grows more and more 1281 01:33:49,582 --> 01:33:51,793 and we make more films, 1282 01:33:52,335 --> 01:33:56,840 so the chance is statisticaly bigger that somebody has the balls 1283 01:33:57,173 --> 01:33:59,926 to go out and make a Flemish zombie film. 1284 01:34:00,260 --> 01:34:02,220 Lars had an idea for a zombie film. 1285 01:34:03,346 --> 01:34:05,265 And after a while I got a screenplay in the mail 1286 01:34:05,598 --> 01:34:07,433 which was ready to shoot. 1287 01:34:10,395 --> 01:34:15,775 To sell the idea of the feature, we had the idea to make a teaser. 1288 01:34:23,783 --> 01:34:24,659 That was so cool. 1289 01:34:24,993 --> 01:34:26,911 I shot one day on this. 1290 01:34:28,997 --> 01:34:31,958 I played a very eccentric nurse. 1291 01:34:32,292 --> 01:34:35,003 It was 'all bets are off', and everything was possible. 1292 01:34:35,336 --> 01:34:39,340 We shot in a hospital, with lots of blood and guts. 1293 01:34:39,674 --> 01:34:40,383 Incredibly fun to do. 1294 01:34:52,103 --> 01:34:55,356 It's a teaser in the sense of 'we are going to have fun'. 1295 01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:57,233 It needs to be fun. 1296 01:34:57,567 --> 01:35:01,696 The story is: A guy dies during an operation and comes back as zombie. 1297 01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:05,491 "Patient Zero" has been shot in POV, 1298 01:35:05,825 --> 01:35:07,952 and this will not be the case in the upcoming feature. 1299 01:35:13,249 --> 01:35:20,048 "Braindead", "The Evil Dead" and "Bad Taste" are references for "Yummie". 1300 01:35:20,423 --> 01:35:21,841 The more gore, the merrier. 1301 01:35:25,637 --> 01:35:27,555 I already sent out my resume for that one. 1302 01:35:28,765 --> 01:35:30,683 How cool would that be? 1303 01:35:31,226 --> 01:35:33,311 But of course I also saw the horror short "The Pond", 1304 01:35:33,686 --> 01:35:36,940 but I am curious how you would make a feature out of this? 1305 01:35:50,078 --> 01:35:51,663 "The Pond" is about an 8 year little girl, 1306 01:35:51,996 --> 01:35:55,625 and she needs to unravel a dark secret 1307 01:35:55,959 --> 01:35:59,045 about the dark pond behind the castle where she lives. 1308 01:35:59,462 --> 01:36:06,803 For us it is very important that we expand the world that we created 1309 01:36:07,136 --> 01:36:10,306 in this short and to go deeper. 1310 01:36:13,434 --> 01:36:15,019 Very good that you think that it's so Flemish. 1311 01:36:15,353 --> 01:36:18,940 This is probably something that comes from ourselves. 1312 01:36:19,774 --> 01:36:31,077 We used Flemish cliches in a genre... that we don't practice a lot in Flanders. 1313 01:36:31,411 --> 01:36:33,246 But it will feature a ghost. 1314 01:36:33,579 --> 01:36:34,372 A Flemish ghost. 1315 01:36:42,714 --> 01:36:45,591 Of course there will be gore in the feature version of "The Pond". 1316 01:36:45,925 --> 01:36:47,844 I bet this will be in the final cut. 1317 01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:55,143 Already for years people keep asking me to do a sequel to "Rabid Grannies". 1318 01:36:56,269 --> 01:36:58,563 And it has been years that I decline. 1319 01:37:01,024 --> 01:37:06,029 But because of the 5-picture deal with SGL Ent., being "Laundry Man" the 1320 01:37:06,362 --> 01:37:07,864 first of this deal. 1321 01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:10,033 I felt something like: 1322 01:37:10,533 --> 01:37:11,826 Why not? 1323 01:37:14,203 --> 01:37:17,290 It will be called "Rabid Family" (aka Ravenshore) and it will be about 1324 01:37:17,623 --> 01:37:21,419 the kids or the grand kids 1325 01:37:21,753 --> 01:37:28,343 whom need to go back for an inheritance. 1326 01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:30,511 My follow-up to "Cub" is called "Heads Will Roll". 1327 01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:36,726 I was part of a hard rock band and the dynamic between band members is so 1328 01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:38,853 interesting and funny. 1329 01:37:39,187 --> 01:37:40,104 Let me do something with it. 1330 01:37:40,438 --> 01:37:44,067 Of course I hope that somebody surprises me 1331 01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,237 and especially proves me wrong. 1332 01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:52,784 What I - in that case - will gladly admit.107912

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