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On October 22nd, 2014, the movie “Cub”
premiered in Deurne, Belgium.
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The press states that this feature debut
of Jonas Govaerts is...
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...the very first Flemish horror film.
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Articles stating that "WELP/CUB" (2014) is
the very first Flemish horror film.
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Is that the first Flemish horror movie?
Yeah, right.
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Every Journalist who knows a little about
his work would never dare to state this.
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Everybody rewrites a bit his own history.
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There is no real horror culture in Belgium.
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If you are a fan, you have to find it.
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Horror is, just like western and musical, a
genre that we Belgians normally don't make.
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I beg to differ, Jan.
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Try telling this to Harry KĂĽmel.
-"Malpertuis" is made before "Cub",
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"Daughters of Darkness",
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"The Pencil Murders".
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The films of Johan Vandewoestijne...
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This is our legacy.
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Harry KĂĽmel is unique.
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It's the biggest director we have. He
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doesn't direct that much, but he
is our Orson Welles.
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He has such an ambition and vision. We
don't have anyone like that anymore.
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I don't know if it's typical for
Flanders or Belgium,
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but... we don't have a lot of
respect for our pioneers.
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Nobody of my generation doesn't know
him and that is bizarre.
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My generation and the following can make
these films, because of guys like De Hert,
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Hendrickx and Harry KĂĽmel.
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And it's a travesty that they have
been swept under the rug.
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Especially because a few of these films,
still stand firmly as a brick house.
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And that somebody as Harry KĂĽmel, is seen
In many countries as an important director.
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"Daughters of Darkness" and "Malpertuis”
are two movies released in
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the UK and France.
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Especially "Daughters of Darkness" is a big
hit in the USA and cherished
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among cult-fetishists.
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"Daughters of Darkness" is the only Belgian
movie that has been a mainstream
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success in other countries.
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Producers approached me to make a
commercial stylish film, but I had
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no idea what to make.
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Then I saw at a newspaper stand a
"Historia" magazine about "The Blood
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Countess"
Bathory and I bought that.
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I came back to the producers and told them:
"Fantastic, she killed 600
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virgins to stay young".
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The producers told me I was crazy.
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600 costumes, that would be
an expensive film...
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It was our ambition to create a genre-film,
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which you could describe as a real horror,
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but... also could exist
outside the horror genre.
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People still try to tell me that
it's not about vampires.
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But of course it is a vampire movie.
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We tried to play with every convention in
the genre, but also expand it.
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We tried to approach it differently.
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Sure, it was a low-budget film. 750,000
Belgian Francs, even in those days this was
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not a lot of money for a feature.
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But made with international financing.
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We were very happy,
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that we made a tax-shelter
deal with America,
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for $50,000.
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Try to imagine, $50,000 was a
lot of money in 1970.
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That was...
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a miracle.
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Years later I produced "Toto Les Heros"
for Jaco Van Dormael,
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and I needed to go to New York, to
negotiate about the remake rights.
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I enter a huge office building full with
lawyers with experience in these
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kinds of meetings...
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"You produced Daughters of Darkness",
a lawyer says.
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"Our Tax-shelter was fantastic, right?"
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Yes of course.
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"Fantastic, that you put our
$900,000 to such good use."
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I decided to keep my mouth shut.
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That means that $850,000...
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in the meantime vanished without a trace.
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The Flemish film started with amateur-films
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and most of these you can
describe as genre-films.
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Sadly this has been completely killed.
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This has to do with the press and
psychological movements.
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They want
to make you believe
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that other kind of films are more
important than genre-films.
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But you can see where those end: in the
trash bin of film history.
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The graphic-novel aspect in Daughters of
Darkness is of course very important,
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and that is also the reason why
Delphine(Seyrig) had agreed.
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And in that context Harry KĂĽmel was the
most aesthetic of all our directors.
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For the story it needed to be a vacation
resort, with the atmosphere of
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the Belgian coast.
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The architecture of the Ostends
Thermea Palace Hotel
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was of course perfect.
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The unique look of that building, the
strong atmosphere.
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This was something real,
that we needed.
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But then came the problem that I
couldn't shoot inside.
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Because it was a ruin inside.
Today it
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still wouldn't be beautiful
enough to shoot inside.
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I wanted to shoot the interior scenes in
the Metropole Hotel in Brussels.
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But they wouldn't let me. Oh boy, they
regretted that afterwards.
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Yes, it is true that you find every
television show on DVD,
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but that it's impossible to find
"Daughters of Darkness" on DVD.
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That is a real pity, but no idea why or
who made that mistake...
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Because we had so many producers, we had
some copyright-problems with
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a French producer.
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He signed a contract, with Francois de
Roubaix, without knowledge of the other
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producers, for 40 years.
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This was of course a huge
catastrophe for the film.
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The German producer had disappeared.
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And one night they play "Daughters
of Darkness" on Arte,
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and boom, they come out of the woodwork.
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That is the reason why the film did
sell so well in the USA.
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Because it's sold outside the system.
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I also have an awesome
distributor over there.
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I also have a great seller in France. But
"Blue Underground" is the best.
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My teacher, Marc Didden, said: "Harry was
born in the wrong country.
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In the USA, he
would have been Hitchcock".
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And I believe that.
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And it's thanks to the international
success of "Daughters of Darkness" that
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I got a lot of financial support
to make "Malpertuis".
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"Elodia, Elodia. Can you bring some food
before I almost die of hunger here."
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The problem with "Malpertuis"
IS very simple:
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It was cut completely wrong
In the beginning.
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Apart from some problems with the scenario.
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The first edit was the main cause for the
big failure of the movie.
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But during the years, it became a
phenomenal success.
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Which was huge
for such a small film.
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I know that the whole crew was happy to be
working on "Malpertuis".
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The original producer Pierre Levie,
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the Director of Photography... They were
really glad to be working on this film.
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They finally had something to go wild on.
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That was the problem of this movie:
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That I had a very good and talented crew,
except the editor.
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Then you start to compete with each other.
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Especially with the DOP, who asks "Can you
do this?", "Or he asks me that".
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So with this, you are more thinking
about the technical stuff.
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"He is coming."
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"Quick." "Run."
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But I was still very young. 32,
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I still remember that I saw "Malpertuis”
when I was 10 or 11 years old,
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for the first time on TV.
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And what scared me incredibly was
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the scene with the flames that came out
of the mouth of that guy,
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and the ghostly atmosphere that was
apparent in the whole film.
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Also they don't play the movies on TV
anymore, which is a real pity.
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They like it at the Cannes Film Festival,
when there are a lot of stars in the movie.
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It's one of their motivations
In selecting a film.
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And it has nothing to do with the
quality of the movies.
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But still it was very brave for
selecting "Malpertuis".
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Because some journalists - who know
nothing about everything -
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asked me at the press-conference if I
thought this genre fit Cannes.
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I was astounded, that they
asked that question.
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But that is so typical for journalists,
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who always think only in categories.
In certain boxes.
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“The Pencil Murders” is absolutely a movie
which belongs to the Flemish cult-
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and genre pantheon.
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A nice try.
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But at that time “The Pencil Murders” was
absolutely a remarkable attempt,
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to break with the traditional Flemish
films, because we were still in our
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'Heimat' period at that time.
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A film about a serial killer... even in
America they didn't have a lot of that
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kind of film at that time.
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Also very down-to-earth and with humor.
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Two things the author, quickly and
definitely left behind.
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Especially being down to earth.
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"“Is it you?"
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"The Pencil Murders" was my first movie,
I was 29 back then,
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and I wanted to make something bold
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against the funded movies.
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It had to be half horror, half police.
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Also known as 'polard'.
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Is it real horror?
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There is a scene in which
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a black guy is killed with a pencil in
his nose in the bathtub.
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Dominique Deruddere (director of
Oscar-nominee "Everybody Famous'") was
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my assistant director.
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Oops.
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A very famous editor was also on the set
when shooting this film.
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Because we shot in 35mm, which
was very expensive.
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So we had to shoot in small pieces...
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20 years later, I found out that the genre
I did was called 'Giallo'.
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A genre that Dario Argento did,
who I knew of course.
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"The Pencil Murders" was
linked to this subgenre,
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by a professor in Edinburgh.
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It stayed in theaters for 9 months.
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If you now are able to stay in theaters for
9 days, you can be happy.
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My film was sold worldwide,
I still remember.
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It played in cinemas in France,
Spain and such.
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I just had the funny idea of putting a
pencil in someone's nose.
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I can only applaud this.
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Someone who wants to transform
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his darkest fantasies into pictures.
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It's more fun to talk about "The Antwerp
Killer" than to watch the 'thing'.
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Even if it only lasts for, if I am
not mistaken, 65 minutes.
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These are the longest 65 minutes of your
life, except for the films
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from Doris Wishman.
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"The Antwerp Killer" is in essence a prank.
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The brainchild of an 18 years old, little
weird kid from Antwerp called Luc Veldeman.
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"We had the idea to make something,
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that could be announced as
a giant thriller,
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which became an experiment in film..."
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Luc wanted to make a film and succeeded to
persuade lots of people that he was
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actually making a real movie.
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When finished', "The Antwerp Killer" was
more comparable to an 8mm film,
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instead of a mainstream film.
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One day, a young man, rang at my
door and he claimed to be a huge fan
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of my electronic music.
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And he asked if I wanted to make music
for his upcoming movie.
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He asked me if I already had finished
recordings that he could use.
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I replied
that I indeed had a tape.
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He persuaded me to give him this tape,
because he claimed the sponsors needed
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to check out the music.
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A few hours later he returns and gives me a
check, if he could use the
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music for his film.
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One day, suddenly the 'director' calls me,
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and tells me that he needed me to play a
small part in the film.
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But I told him, I was not an actor.
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He said: “Just say something when the
camera is on you!”.
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And I did.
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I tried to guess on set what the story was
about. Nobody had a clue.
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"Hi Jules, listen to me... on my desk sits
a little girl coming from the 4th floor."
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"They found her on the street, wandering in
the neighborhood of the iron bridge."
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In one of the scenes you can see
a small Korean girl.
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Every viewer would think: "What the hell is
she doing in the story?". "Nothing".
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But because he called me only an hour
before shooting and I didn't
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have a babysitter,
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I had to bring my new adopted Korean
daughter to the set and put her on the
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desk during the scene.
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"What is your mother's name?"
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"Where does she live?"
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"You don't know?"
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"In a house?"
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During the premiere of "The Antwerp
Killer", I discovered that I was
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one of the lead actors,
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and I discovered that my music, which had
received good reviews in the newspapers,
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was barely used...
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And without any credit, they had used the
music of Halloween, by the glorious
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composer John Carpenter.
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And guess what, they altered
everything a little.
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Everything is a bit out of tune.
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Veldeman did all these things in my name...
And even put my name on the
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credits for the music.
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That's a big surprise.
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I need to admit that I'm also guilty for
giving "The Antwerp Killer" its
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questionable reputation.
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In '82 or '83, director Marc Punt and I, -
our first act in the film industry -
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were running the Knokke Film Festival,
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And we were always searching
for local films.
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We read in the paper about a young guy
in Antwerp who was making a movie
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called "The Antwerp Killer".
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So we got in touch with him.
He was editing
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in a flat somewhere in Sint-Niklaas,
in the Parklaan.
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He showed us one scene, which was
only 50 seconds or so.
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We didn't get to see the film, until the
evening of the screening.
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30 minutes before the screening, Luc
Veldeman came storming inside the cultural
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center with two 16mm prints.
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And from this we could conclude that
this was a very short film.
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My very first reaction was to
close the cash register.
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It was a sold-out screening, and that
didn't happen every night.
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And the first 5 minutes there was a kind of
silence... Which could go either way.
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Luckily then somebody started to laugh
really loud, and the rest of
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the room followed.
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So we were lucky it became some
kind of a circus-night.
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The former minister of culture Karel Poma
was also at the screening, he was
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invited by Veldeman.
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And after the screening he became
surrounded with film journalists.
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The debate 'that the world of culture
needed to be self-funded or not'
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was already going on.
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So everybody asked: "This is an
independent production..."
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“... Is this the kind of culture
we are going to get?"
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To which Karel Poma - may he rest
In peace - replied:
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"But everybody did enjoy themselves."
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Which - of course - was very true.
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"No, no reason to be so angry."
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"Wait." "No."
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"No need to run away, you're not
going to get outside."
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The film has disappeared in
the mists of cinema.
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They never made more than
one 16mm copy of it.
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I used the only copy afterwards to screen
at 'The Night of Bad Taste' at the
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Cartoons Cinema in Antwerp.
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And afterwards the dad of Luc Veldeman
appeared, who couldn't see the
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fun of it anymore.
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He asked for the one and only copy of "The
Antwerp Killer", to which we complied.
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And he disappeared with this in the
darkness of the Antwerp night...
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It's a fact that Luc - who was a good
entrepreneur - made quite a few VHS tapes
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of "The Antwerp Killer".
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Which he had been selling door to door
at all the video stores.
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A few months later followed by daddy
Veldeman who again bought
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back all these tapes.
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If you have a tape of "The Antwerp Killer"
in your collection, you can speak of
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a rare collectors item.
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I don't laugh anymore, when
I watch the film.
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This has as reason of course.
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The cast and the crew have been betrayed.
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The equipment has been thrown in
the Antwerp river.
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But in the sense of 'how to fuck it up', I
think "The Antwerp Killer"
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is a historic film.
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But still a disaster.
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Luc Veldeman became after the film a
publisher, for the magazine 'Movie'.
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After a couple of years that venture of
Veldeman also imploded,
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and the last thing I heard, is that Luc -
of course I can't verify it,
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but in the case of Veldeman it's not
totally impossible...
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Is that he became a pimp at a
Dutch escort bureau.
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I told you guys, Veldeman is
an entrepreneur.
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One of the better movies I worked on was
"The Afterman”, from Rob Van Eyck.
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Also a rebel and an outsider.
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He made all his movies, except "De
Aardwolf", without financial support.
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Through a combination of product placement
and begging at local firms, he always
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managed to make his movies.
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We didn't have a screenplay. We
shot during one year.
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We only knew it had to be a movie about a
man who lived in a bunker
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after a nuclear bomb.
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So we had no real idea what all his
adventures were going to be.
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Every week I found a new location
and a new idea came up.
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Maybe he can do this, or let's try that.
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That's why there is winter,
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autumn, summer... every season is in the
movie. That's what makes it so special.
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We shot this with a technical
crew of 4 people.
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I did camera myself.
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And I'm still surprised | shot this
kind of beautiful footage.
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So you see, it's actually very
easy to be a cameraman.
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I'm still surprised how we
managed to shoot,
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without any continuity errors, over
the period of one year.
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Not one.
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Because one time "The Afterman' (actor
Jacques Verbist) was drunk and
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cut off his hair...
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So I solved this by showing the scene in
the monastery where a monk is
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cutting his hair.
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That's how we fixed our mistakes.
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I met Jacques in 1973. He was a
regular customer in my disco.
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Every time he came in, Jacques was like
'ugh this... and... that'.
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And then he was in "Mirliton".
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His best performance.
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I needed a schizophrenic person.
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Jacques always gave me the impression of
being schizo.
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If he spoke,
it sounded like...
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So I knew he was perfect.
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Maybe I'm a little schizo, who knows.
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And he didn't have any lines,
so that was good.
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"Mirliton" is told through inner voice.
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And Jacques gave a fantastic performance.
You really believe he's schizophrenic.
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Rob always needed naked women.
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I had a girlfriend, and though it was
time she made some kind of career.
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She was called Franka Ravet.
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She played the main role in
a scene in a barn.
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And she gets fucked by the mail man.
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But she was always so stoned, it
didn't always work.
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I told her through which door
she had to enter...
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5 minutes later she already had forgotten
what instructions I had given her...
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But hey, that's all part of the game.
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I would really like to find her again.
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She was the best shag of my life.
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It all happened, because of my Playboy
shoot, and the pictures that
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Roger Dijkmans shot.
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Suddenly there was a call for two women.
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They wanted to shoot a pool scene.
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When they gave me more info, I discovered
it was a lesbian scene.
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The shooting day was somewhere in
an abandoned villa.
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Early in the morning and freezing cold,
close to a race track.
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We had to do our own make-up.
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I was told that I had to swim a
couple of lengths with her,
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and then you start kissing
and caressing her.
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Then Rob told me Michele had to satisfy me.
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I was like: "Okay, do I have to sit on
the corner of the pool?"
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“No, under water.”
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Michele was very anxious,
because she couldn't dive.
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It was all so technical and we
were freezing to death.
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So we shot it very quick.
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Rob has so many progressive ideas, but he
never got the budget to realize them.
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It really blew up in my face, because "The
Afterman" starts with necrophilia.
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Unseen at that time (1985).
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Everybody was offended and thought
it was too violent.
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Too much sex.
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But how can you change something?
Change people?
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By shocking them. There must be something
controversial in a movie.
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Looking at it now, you might think:
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"What was all the fuss about?"
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But I remember that the original "The
Afterman", distributed by Alta Films, was
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released in all the big cities,
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and didn't even do so bad.
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Of course it was a scandal success.
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And because it was so different from the
regular Flemish movies.
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This in a period that people
still could be teased
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by seeing naked tits on the big screen.
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People did talk about a milestone.
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I acted very good.
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Not to blow my own horn, but yeah.
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The Americans placed it on the film market.
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It was Johan (James Desert) who made the
deal with these Americans.
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And I told
him he would get 25%.
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One day I got a phone call from them,
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with the promise that I would receive
$100,000 dollars by the end of the year.
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It became January, February... I said:
"Damn".
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I called Johan,
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and asked him, if he had more news.
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He told me they went bankrupt.
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So it was fucked.
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Then Jacques, 'The Afterman', asked me
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if they didn't transfer the money to Johan?
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What happened, nobody knows?
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The only thing I know is that Johan
started a movie shortly after.
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Rob always has and always will be a
controversial filmmaker.
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And he has also benefited
from that numerously.
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Vandewoestijne's oeuvre...
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... Is very brave.
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Someone who can change 'Johan
Vandewoestijne' into 'James Desert' for the
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international market,
deserves great respect.
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John Desert, fantastic.
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We started shooting "Lucker" the week
that Chernobyl exploded.
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It was my answer to the fact that I didn't
get any funding from the
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ministry of culture.
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00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:33,243
I said to myself: “I'm
going to shoot a film
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which will make everyone shit their pants...
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A serial killer, who liked necrophilia,
that was never seen before.
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We needed a rotten corpse,
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but what does that look like, right?
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So we contacted the police to ask if we
could see some pictures.
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Police gave us insight into the archives.
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So we saw the most juicy things.
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We had a distributor called VDS,
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owned and run by André Coppens.
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He payed us 800,000 Belgian Francs,
for some territories.
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That was a lot of money.
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As soon as the film was ready, Coppens
refused to distribute because of the
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film's violent content.
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And the 'video nasties' made
everybody scared of violence.
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But it was Nico Bruidsma from the "Cult
Video-store" in Amsterdam
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who discovered this.
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He ordered six hundred copies,
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and I had to sign them.
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So basically it was thanks to the "Cult
Video- store" that "Lucker" was
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discovered around the world.
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The 'international success' - if you really
can call it like that - sure
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Is gratifying...
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and it's also a well-deserved 'fuck you'
to the naysayers.
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Another fun fact: DOP Serge Ghesquiere was
a couple of years ago in the store of the
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Palace of Fine Arts in Brussels.
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00:34:15,387 --> 00:34:18,348
And there, they also sold DVD's of Lucker.
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What used to be criticized is
now considered art.
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Funny how things can turn out.
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"One chooses between success and failure,
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but most people don't know that."
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00:34:30,318 --> 00:34:31,903
That is a real cult movie.
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00:34:32,237 --> 00:34:32,988
With Kurt Van Eeghem ?
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00:34:33,321 --> 00:34:34,072
I want to see that.
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00:34:34,406 --> 00:34:37,200
Jesus dude, and we didn't see that.
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00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:39,578
"I am fantastic."
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Learning Success People, LSP.
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00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:46,084
Every big businessman followed that course.
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00:34:46,585 --> 00:34:50,755
The story was written by a lawyer,
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Bossers, Chris Bossers.
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00:34:55,093 --> 00:35:00,932
And I said to him: "I know people that were
humiliated during that course."
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And being called names.
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They picked the weakest link of the group
447
00:35:05,979 --> 00:35:10,567
and in front of everybody they
destroyed these people.
448
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:13,737
And actually there were people
who committed suicide,
449
00:35:14,070 --> 00:35:16,823
but no one knew.
450
00:35:24,831 --> 00:35:26,499
It was almost worse than the Nazis.
451
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:32,464
So we were going to put them straight,
those organizers from the course.
452
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:39,971
We put up huge banners with “SSP” on it,
instead of the real “LSP” letters.
453
00:35:43,183 --> 00:35:46,102
And our guys had to give the Hitler salute.
454
00:35:46,436 --> 00:35:48,938
“Fantastic. Fantastic.”
455
00:35:49,272 --> 00:35:51,441
So that was another indictment.
456
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:56,237
The organizers of the courses wanted to
cut out the Hitler salute.
457
00:35:56,821 --> 00:35:59,783
And I refused. So the film never
came out theatrically.
458
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:02,911
Talk about freedom of speech.
459
00:36:04,371 --> 00:36:05,622
It's ridiculous.
460
00:36:06,206 --> 00:36:15,215
I am an anarchist, so I'm
against power and order.
461
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,801
You can discover that in all of my films.
462
00:36:18,134 --> 00:36:23,348
"De Aardwolf" was for me the least
interesting film to shoot.
463
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,768
Because I had to shoot with
a complete crew...
464
00:36:27,102 --> 00:36:29,813
... of around 25 people.
465
00:36:30,271 --> 00:36:34,526
I'd rather do it my own way.
466
00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:55,672
Johan has always been an outsider
467
00:36:56,005 --> 00:36:58,216
and he was never part of the establishment.
468
00:36:58,550 --> 00:37:01,970
As far as we have a film establishment. But
he was never part of this.
469
00:37:02,303 --> 00:37:04,222
He always stubbornly did his own thing.
470
00:37:04,556 --> 00:37:07,350
"Rabid Grannies" is absolutely
his claim to fame.
471
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:10,770
Emmanuel Kervyn (director
"Rabid Grannies"),
472
00:37:11,104 --> 00:37:15,692
was someone who was into martial arts.
473
00:37:17,861 --> 00:37:22,115
We were busy with a film called "Thalion",
which was supposed to be financed by
474
00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:23,825
André Coppens from VDS.
475
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:27,996
It was 4 weeks prior to
shooting and I said:
476
00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,332
"Coppens, you have to order the celluloid."
477
00:37:31,708 --> 00:37:34,252
His response was vague...
478
00:37:34,586 --> 00:37:38,631
So I knew that there was something rotten
in the state of Denmark.
479
00:37:40,717 --> 00:37:43,845
Turned out, he never had so
called millions in cash.
480
00:37:45,513 --> 00:37:49,893
So we had an entire prepared project.
481
00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:53,772
Were we supposed to just cancel the
whole thing or what?
482
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:58,318
I wasn't planning on shooting "Thalion"
due to his big budget.
483
00:37:58,651 --> 00:38:01,571
So I said: “Why not make a horror movie?”.
484
00:38:05,325 --> 00:38:06,701
The rise of Johan...
485
00:38:07,035 --> 00:38:10,955
happened during the heyday of the VHS.
486
00:38:11,331 --> 00:38:14,083
This is one of the reasons that "Rabid
Grannies" was in English.
487
00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:15,376
Although, English...
488
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,297
Most of the actors were French
with thick accents,
489
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:22,967
whom received the English dialogues from
someone out of frame and
490
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:24,511
needed to repeat this.
491
00:38:24,886 --> 00:38:25,678
And afterwards they dubbed this again.
492
00:38:26,012 --> 00:38:26,846
But even with the dubbing
493
00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:28,681
this still sounds very weird.
494
00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:38,066
But once the film starts,
the film has pace.
495
00:38:38,441 --> 00:38:40,068
It has some good jokes,
496
00:38:40,401 --> 00:38:43,196
with as a bonus, primitive,
497
00:38:43,530 --> 00:38:47,200
but very successful special effects.
498
00:38:47,534 --> 00:38:49,410
So in comparison with other genre titles
499
00:38:49,744 --> 00:38:52,580
"Rabid Grannies" is really, really fun.
500
00:38:52,914 --> 00:38:55,708
You maybe need to struggle through
the first 20 minutes,
501
00:38:56,042 --> 00:38:58,920
but from then on "Rabid Grannies"
Is a jolly good ride.
502
00:39:07,262 --> 00:39:10,306
Special FX guys are always a little crazy.
503
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:14,561
But the guys that did "Rabid Grannies"
would most definitely take the cake.
504
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,231
In the end, they made good stuff.
505
00:39:18,606 --> 00:39:21,526
Most of the time they seemed half-baked
because of the ammonia they were
506
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:22,819
using for all the latex.
507
00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:27,073
They also drank liters of gin every day.
508
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,201
But hey, they made good stuff...
509
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,044
I completely understand that "Rabid
Grannies" was picked up for distribution
510
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:41,671
by Troma Entertainment.
511
00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:47,844
Who in the eighties were almost the market
leaders in these kind of cult movies.
512
00:39:48,177 --> 00:39:50,972
They had thrown themselves on this title.
513
00:39:51,306 --> 00:39:55,143
One day I got a call from
acquisitions director Jeffrey Sas,
514
00:39:55,476 --> 00:39:58,354
saying that they were
interested in the film.
515
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,399
Troma was crazy about the title.
516
00:40:01,733 --> 00:40:03,651
They were going to send me
information about Troma.
517
00:40:03,985 --> 00:40:07,739
After a couple of weeks I received
a package with flyers
518
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:09,741
explaining about Troma and such.
519
00:40:10,074 --> 00:40:11,826
I never heard of Troma before
520
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,787
and had no idea who Michael Herz
was nor Lloyd Kaufman.
521
00:40:15,121 --> 00:40:20,251
After a couple of months we
reached an agreement.
522
00:40:34,015 --> 00:40:36,851
When the film was in post,
523
00:40:37,185 --> 00:40:39,979
Jan Verheyen got in touch with me.
524
00:40:40,313 --> 00:40:43,483
Jan formed the company Independent
Films and they wanted to
525
00:40:43,816 --> 00:40:45,276
distribute "Rabid Grannies".
526
00:40:45,610 --> 00:40:48,613
Cool, but there was also Marc Punt
527
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:50,406
and Dirk Impens.
528
00:40:50,740 --> 00:40:56,663
I still have the impression that
Impens was a bit scared,
529
00:40:56,996 --> 00:41:01,960
seeing us making a film for 4
million Belgian Francs,
530
00:41:03,169 --> 00:41:06,130
while they had budgets of
around 25 million.
531
00:41:06,506 --> 00:41:12,303
If someone at the government
could realize this...
532
00:41:12,637 --> 00:41:17,517
and stop the funding of films.
533
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:22,230
However, there was an agreement that
Independent Films would take care
534
00:41:22,563 --> 00:41:23,731
of post-production.
535
00:41:24,065 --> 00:41:27,527
From then on Impens boycotted us.
536
00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:43,584
So we moved our post-production to Lille,
537
00:41:43,918 --> 00:41:48,798
while everyone else thought the movie
would never be finished.
538
00:41:49,132 --> 00:41:52,969
And then the 35mm print was ready,
539
00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:56,723
to every ones surprise of course...
540
00:41:57,306 --> 00:42:00,810
But Independent didn't want to
distribute any longer.
541
00:42:01,477 --> 00:42:05,356
So we went to Atlas Films, a
smaller distributor.
542
00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:15,992
In 1988 we were in Cannes, and Troma had
listed "Rabid Grannies" in their catalog.
543
00:42:16,617 --> 00:42:21,205
I ran into Dirk Impens on the Croissette,
he was chomping at a big cigar.
544
00:42:21,831 --> 00:42:24,333
And he asked about 'our little film'.
545
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:29,464
Impens was there with "Blueberry Hill",
546
00:42:29,797 --> 00:42:35,720
and he just sold all the rights to Japan
for 15 or was it 25,000.
547
00:42:36,054 --> 00:42:36,971
I said: "very good",
548
00:42:37,305 --> 00:42:42,060
and continued: “we too... ...
rights only for 45,000
549
00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:48,316
He gasped on his big cigar and walked away.
550
00:42:48,691 --> 00:42:50,401
And that was a good feeling.
551
00:42:53,905 --> 00:42:56,657
He got almost 800,000
Belgian Francs for it.
552
00:42:58,534 --> 00:43:00,328
Which is pretty good, right?
553
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:09,170
I wanted to do something with the films
of "Ilsa" and "Greta".
554
00:43:10,296 --> 00:43:11,380
"Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS"
555
00:43:11,714 --> 00:43:20,056
I just rented the VHS of “Not of This
Earth”, directed by Jim Wynorski.
556
00:43:20,389 --> 00:43:22,725
It stars Traci Lords, who
plays a sexy nurse.
557
00:43:23,935 --> 00:43:26,896
So I decided the film had to
feature sexy nurses.
558
00:43:34,487 --> 00:43:37,281
I wanted to make a movie
559
00:43:37,615 --> 00:43:41,244
for the American film market.
560
00:43:41,577 --> 00:43:44,539
A while before I went to Troma in New York
561
00:43:44,872 --> 00:43:49,627
and told them I had the opportunity to
make a film in Hungary.
562
00:43:50,002 --> 00:43:51,838
I had a friend over there
563
00:43:52,171 --> 00:43:54,799
who owned a studio.
564
00:43:55,133 --> 00:43:57,260
Troma asked me what it would be.
565
00:43:57,593 --> 00:44:00,263
It's for Troma. So I said: "Something
with naked women and whips".
566
00:44:01,931 --> 00:44:03,141
That was all I said.
567
00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:04,433
And they agreed.
568
00:44:05,351 --> 00:44:08,604
By then I had a budget and all
the possibilities...
569
00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:11,732
... however scratch that.
570
00:44:12,942 --> 00:44:15,319
A lot of it came down to Troma.
571
00:44:15,903 --> 00:44:19,031
I had part of the budget from a wealthy
friend here in Belgium.
572
00:44:22,326 --> 00:44:26,080
He was ready to invest in the film,
573
00:44:26,956 --> 00:44:31,544
but he wanted it to be serious and
with a distributor.
574
00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:39,635
I didn't even have a script.
575
00:44:40,261 --> 00:44:42,930
So I flew to Hungary,
576
00:44:43,264 --> 00:44:44,056
on some kind of...
577
00:44:44,432 --> 00:44:45,641
... Study trip.
578
00:44:45,975 --> 00:44:49,187
I did find some sets and a couple
of actresses over there.
579
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,398
He did a lot of castings with naked women.
580
00:45:03,284 --> 00:45:05,953
Six women were selected.
581
00:45:07,163 --> 00:45:10,166
They shot in the morning, and
in the afternoon...
582
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:11,709
... who knows?
583
00:45:17,006 --> 00:45:21,594
I produced that film,
584
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:24,222
but Johan Vandewoestijne
585
00:45:25,014 --> 00:45:27,600
was something of a co-producer.
586
00:45:27,934 --> 00:45:32,688
"Maniac Nurses" is a film written, directed
and produced by Leon-Paul de Bruyn,
587
00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:34,106
once and for all.
588
00:45:34,649 --> 00:45:38,194
I did an effort to edit the film.
589
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:42,448
Because I was stuck with a broken foot.
590
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:46,619
So I said to Leon “If you have a film,
I will edit”.
591
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:48,704
But that's it.
592
00:45:52,124 --> 00:45:57,588
He distances himself from that movie. I
think it was too erotic for him.
593
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,260
It was made for VHS in America.
594
00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:09,558
And my idea was also that maybe one day it
could play on 42nd Street.
595
00:46:10,268 --> 00:46:12,770
When I visited Troma the first time,
596
00:46:13,312 --> 00:46:15,815
I discovered 42nd Street in New York.
597
00:46:16,941 --> 00:46:19,902
A very sublime and wild street,
598
00:46:20,236 --> 00:46:24,073
with dozens of cinemas, mostly sex cinemas.
599
00:46:24,407 --> 00:46:27,493
They screened lots of B-movies.
600
00:46:28,202 --> 00:46:30,329
And thanks to Troma it did play
601
00:46:30,663 --> 00:46:36,585
on a side-street of 42nd Street, not on
the main street sadly.
602
00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:40,840
The film did very good and
was sold worldwide.
603
00:46:41,674 --> 00:46:44,176
Japan was the first to buy
"Maniac Nurses".
604
00:46:45,011 --> 00:46:48,139
But even Thailand, Korea, Russia, Italy.
605
00:46:48,681 --> 00:46:50,224
In Italy it even played on television.
606
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:55,438
I was very happy that it was released
in all those countries.
607
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:57,440
It wasn't released in Belgium,
608
00:46:57,773 --> 00:47:02,737
but I didn't have a distributor here and I
didn't look for one to be honest.
609
00:47:07,074 --> 00:47:10,995
The problem was that I was more interested
610
00:47:11,329 --> 00:47:15,166
In the images of certain scenes
611
00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:19,420
and thus losing sight of the story
612
00:47:20,046 --> 00:47:23,591
in all the adventure... Or
during the adventure.
613
00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:32,058
"State of Mind" was a 'tripartite'
production.
614
00:47:32,433 --> 00:47:34,060
Jan Doense from
the Netherlands,
615
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:39,273
me of course from Belgium and Jean-Bruno
Castelain from Lille, France.
616
00:47:39,607 --> 00:47:42,735
I got to know Castelain by doing the
post-production of "Rabid Grannies".
617
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:44,362
The shoot went well,
618
00:47:44,695 --> 00:47:49,450
but the relationship between Jan Doense and
me was not good on set...
619
00:47:49,784 --> 00:47:53,621
...but... now it's all good.
620
00:47:53,954 --> 00:47:58,000
But then it was not easy.
621
00:47:58,376 --> 00:48:04,173
Dutch people do things different. They like
to keep everything structured,
622
00:48:04,507 --> 00:48:08,427
where Flemish people sometimes arrange
things with a firm handshake.
623
00:48:08,761 --> 00:48:10,012
That caused some clashes.
624
00:48:10,346 --> 00:48:13,557
We had a distributor (Hills Entertainment),
with a guy called Rick Van den Heuvel,
625
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:17,395
but that guy was only working in film
626
00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:20,940
to fuck a lot of women.
627
00:48:21,273 --> 00:48:25,111
But he had a friend Sidney Ling.
628
00:48:25,486 --> 00:48:29,198
Also a dude with a lot of attitude.
629
00:48:29,532 --> 00:48:31,367
But he did set us up
630
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,538
with Fred Williamson and Paul Naschy.
631
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:44,922
Paul Naschy, or Jacinto Molina
which was his real name,
632
00:48:47,174 --> 00:48:50,136
was still recovering from a triple bypass.
633
00:48:51,345 --> 00:48:53,013
A very nice guy,
634
00:48:53,347 --> 00:49:00,479
but the problem was that he only
spoke Spanish or German,
635
00:49:00,813 --> 00:49:04,650
or a little French, but
English was difficult.
636
00:49:04,984 --> 00:49:08,821
One time he had a scene on a bed
637
00:49:09,155 --> 00:49:12,825
and there was someone whispering the
English lines to him from under the bed.
638
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:15,995
He was still sick at that time.
639
00:49:17,955 --> 00:49:21,167
Fred Williamson was very nice, he
brought along his wife.
640
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,462
And he liked being here for five days,
while traveling through Europe.
641
00:49:24,795 --> 00:49:27,673
Plus it was an easy ten thousand dollars.
642
00:49:30,134 --> 00:49:31,594
I liked the film,
643
00:49:31,927 --> 00:49:38,100
but it didn't turn out to be a success.
644
00:49:44,732 --> 00:49:47,485
A while ago I had a project,
645
00:49:48,027 --> 00:49:55,242
a movie which was again in the vein of
"Lisa". Something I keep going back to.
646
00:49:55,576 --> 00:49:57,411
"Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS".
647
00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:05,211
This project was called "SS Torture Hell".
648
00:50:07,171 --> 00:50:08,797
And the title says it all.
649
00:50:15,221 --> 00:50:16,889
It features a lot of torture scenes.
650
00:50:17,223 --> 00:50:21,143
Maybe you can describe it as what they
call now 'torture porn'.
651
00:50:28,234 --> 00:50:29,318
It's a mix of
652
00:50:29,652 --> 00:50:31,570
the Frankenstein story and
653
00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:35,449
"Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS".
654
00:50:36,659 --> 00:50:40,663
I play a Nazi, who saved the
brain of "Ilsa",
655
00:50:41,038 --> 00:50:43,707
and becomes transplanted in prostitutes,
656
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,835
who where kidnapped
657
00:50:47,169 --> 00:50:48,003
during the night
658
00:50:48,337 --> 00:50:51,090
in the Brussels nightlife.
659
00:50:51,423 --> 00:50:54,510
That's what I seem to remember.
660
00:51:02,643 --> 00:51:04,645
I started shooting this film
661
00:51:06,230 --> 00:51:08,649
but we ran into a couple of problems,
662
00:51:08,983 --> 00:51:10,776
especially the fact that the
budget was too small.
663
00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:13,946
Also, one of the actresses went missing
664
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,074
who played one of the leads
665
00:51:17,408 --> 00:51:19,243
in the film.
666
00:51:19,577 --> 00:51:23,247
And we already shot around 40 minutes.
667
00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:25,332
And re-shooting was not an option.
668
00:51:25,666 --> 00:51:28,544
Plus the fact, that one of our financiers
669
00:51:28,877 --> 00:51:30,629
got caught up in a divorce
670
00:51:30,963 --> 00:51:32,131
and preferred not to be associated
671
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:33,757
with this kind of exploitation movie.
672
00:51:34,091 --> 00:51:36,885
That could be rather delicate in his case.
673
00:51:37,219 --> 00:51:40,097
So the film never got finished.
674
00:51:40,723 --> 00:51:42,099
I still have the screenplay
675
00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:44,268
and I still like it.
676
00:51:45,185 --> 00:51:46,270
Maybe one day it will happen.
677
00:51:46,604 --> 00:51:49,481
I never gave up hope.
678
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,526
But in retrospect, I am a little older
679
00:51:52,860 --> 00:51:55,571
and the urge to finish it
680
00:51:55,904 --> 00:51:56,780
IS gone.
681
00:51:57,906 --> 00:52:00,868
Especially in the porn genre
682
00:52:01,201 --> 00:52:02,953
I can do what I want
683
00:52:03,287 --> 00:52:06,165
and it gives me pleasure.
684
00:52:24,516 --> 00:52:27,019
"Alias" has a very complex history.
685
00:52:27,561 --> 00:52:30,397
It was - believe it or not -
meant to be a movie
686
00:52:30,731 --> 00:52:34,610
for the production company D&D, from the
Flemish soap "Wittekerke".
687
00:52:36,487 --> 00:52:39,406
But quickly it became clear that
688
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:42,576
the group of actors
disagreed about one fact,
689
00:52:42,910 --> 00:52:43,952
and that is quite typical.
690
00:52:44,286 --> 00:52:46,622
They had been counting the scenes,
691
00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:48,832
and been comparing the dialogues.
692
00:52:49,166 --> 00:52:53,003
And because it's not an exact science or
something you can measure on a scale.
693
00:52:53,337 --> 00:52:57,174
It became a huge mess and total chaos.
694
00:52:57,508 --> 00:53:00,219
So I made my conclusion that
it would be a no-go.
695
00:53:00,552 --> 00:53:01,428
"So here is nothing to grab?"
696
00:53:01,762 --> 00:53:03,430
"Come on man, think about it."
697
00:53:03,764 --> 00:53:05,599
But the story that Paul Koeck came up with
698
00:53:06,642 --> 00:53:07,685
had some very good elements.
699
00:53:08,060 --> 00:53:10,729
So we started working on that.
700
00:53:11,063 --> 00:53:13,065
We brought in another writer, Christophe
Dirickx.
701
00:53:13,399 --> 00:53:15,109
Together we did
“Everything Must Go”.
702
00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:16,860
That was a pleasant collaboration.
703
00:53:17,194 --> 00:53:18,987
It went step-by-step
704
00:53:19,321 --> 00:53:25,411
from a pretty straight forward thriller
705
00:53:26,245 --> 00:53:30,541
to a thriller, with a second act
706
00:53:30,874 --> 00:53:32,710
that can be described as horror.
707
00:53:37,589 --> 00:53:38,298
"Go ahead boy."
708
00:53:38,632 --> 00:53:41,260
There are some references to Argento,
I think?
709
00:53:41,593 --> 00:53:44,179
An actress that I know falls
naked out of a window,
710
00:53:44,555 --> 00:53:46,265
which is a very 'giallo'-beginning.
711
00:53:46,807 --> 00:53:51,395
As all the violent Italian thrillers
712
00:53:51,729 --> 00:53:53,856
from the seventies started,
that is correct.
713
00:53:54,189 --> 00:53:57,943
And the ending, when an actor from
the Flemish soap "Thuis"
714
00:53:58,444 --> 00:54:01,822
Is digging a grave in the garden,
in the rain...
715
00:54:02,156 --> 00:54:02,990
Very gothic shots,
716
00:54:03,323 --> 00:54:07,035
but I don't see that as a big horror film.
717
00:54:07,369 --> 00:54:10,456
But definitely the closest that Jan
Verheyen has come to the horror genre.
718
00:54:11,081 --> 00:54:12,374
"I don't share with anyone Albert."
719
00:54:12,708 --> 00:54:13,584
"I know Jan."
720
00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:15,085
"I know."
721
00:54:15,419 --> 00:54:17,045
"And now you want Eva as well."
722
00:54:19,715 --> 00:54:22,176
"You really are crazy."
723
00:54:22,926 --> 00:54:23,802
"Without a doubt.”
724
00:54:32,227 --> 00:54:33,395
I really liked it.
725
00:54:34,855 --> 00:54:36,607
And every time I watch it again,
726
00:54:36,940 --> 00:54:38,317
I still stand by it.
727
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,319
The technical side is very good.
728
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:43,530
Especially the camerawork by Philippe Van
Volsem, one of his first films,
729
00:54:43,864 --> 00:54:45,699
and he really went all the way.
730
00:54:46,617 --> 00:54:49,787
The only problem was that the cinema
audience in Flanders
731
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,957
didn't know how to react to this
kind of hybrid picture.
732
00:54:54,291 --> 00:54:56,210
We did a test screening and
halfway through the film,
733
00:54:56,835 --> 00:54:59,087
when everything starts to shift to horror,
734
00:54:59,421 --> 00:55:01,340
and they arrive at the mental institution
735
00:55:01,882 --> 00:55:05,427
and the gothic castle...
736
00:55:05,761 --> 00:55:08,138
...you could actually feel
during the test screening
737
00:55:09,348 --> 00:55:12,601
that we were losing the audience.
738
00:55:13,602 --> 00:55:14,394
"Do you like salmon?"
739
00:55:14,728 --> 00:55:17,940
A large part of the audience didn't accept
740
00:55:18,273 --> 00:55:20,400
or believe the change in tone.
741
00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:25,823
"Alias" clocked-out with 150,000 visitors,
742
00:55:26,156 --> 00:55:27,533
what was very disappointing.
743
00:55:27,866 --> 00:55:30,327
Which proves that I am an arrogant prick.
744
00:55:33,831 --> 00:55:37,960
Around the same time a film directed by
Robert Zemeckis was released.
745
00:55:38,293 --> 00:55:39,837
"What Lies Beneath".
746
00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,214
A movie also with horror elements,
747
00:55:42,548 --> 00:55:44,383
which did very well at our box office.
748
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,135
So that made me thinking:
749
00:55:47,469 --> 00:55:52,724
if we made “What Lies Beneath” in Flemish,
750
00:55:53,058 --> 00:55:56,895
with our own actors, with the
same technical means...
751
00:55:57,229 --> 00:56:00,691
After 30 minutes people would leave
752
00:56:01,024 --> 00:56:04,194
the cinema laughing out loud.
753
00:56:04,611 --> 00:56:05,904
They wouldn't believe it.
754
00:56:06,238 --> 00:56:09,032
But because it's in English
755
00:56:09,366 --> 00:56:10,200
and an American picture
756
00:56:10,534 --> 00:56:13,203
with all the glossiness,
757
00:56:13,537 --> 00:56:14,454
they get away with it.
758
00:56:14,788 --> 00:56:21,628
So that's when I learned that I
had to restrain myself
759
00:56:22,254 --> 00:56:27,801
and stay away from horror.
760
00:56:28,135 --> 00:56:34,641
If I see some things that they made in the
Netherlands and here in Belgium,
761
00:56:34,975 --> 00:56:41,732
I can state that my conclusion
Is the right one.
762
00:56:45,694 --> 00:56:47,446
It's a pity he didn't go all the way.
763
00:56:47,738 --> 00:56:49,907
Maybe he should have gone further,
who knows what happens?
764
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,826
I think that in his mind it
would be a step back.
765
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,038
Jan has the capabilities
766
00:56:56,663 --> 00:57:00,125
and the right mentality to
make such a film.
767
00:57:00,459 --> 00:57:03,337
But something holds him back.
768
00:57:04,046 --> 00:57:09,509
Harry Klimel is right about me,
I didn't dare.
769
00:57:09,843 --> 00:57:11,887
But the entire Flemish film
industry has this problem.
770
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:15,015
Afraid to break barriers.
771
00:57:15,432 --> 00:57:18,018
'Horror' in the broadest sense of the word,
772
00:57:18,352 --> 00:57:22,022
and I also mean cult, fantasy, trash...
773
00:57:22,356 --> 00:57:24,191
That isn't really Flemish.
774
00:57:32,032 --> 00:57:34,826
Cinema... you give so much if
you are making a film.
775
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,578
It's about guts.
776
00:57:36,912 --> 00:57:38,705
I would like to see Jan making
a real horror film.
777
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:41,166
Especially with the knowledge that Jan has.
778
00:57:46,713 --> 00:57:50,342
After "Rabid Grannies", Lloyd and Michael
from Troma asked me if we again could
779
00:57:50,676 --> 00:57:51,718
do something together.
780
00:57:52,052 --> 00:57:55,764
And they liked the screenplay of
"Parts of The Family".
781
00:57:56,181 --> 00:57:58,600
I still wasn't planning to direct.
782
00:58:00,018 --> 00:58:02,771
And Leon told me that he
wouldn't mind directing.
783
00:58:03,397 --> 00:58:08,568
It was the same as my job at VIM (Flemish
TV Station). Somebody asks me to
784
00:58:08,902 --> 00:58:10,362
direct and I accept.
785
00:58:10,779 --> 00:58:12,364
As Robert Mitchell once said:
786
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:15,200
"I am a prostitute”.
787
00:58:15,534 --> 00:58:17,828
When you say open your legs,
then I open them.
788
00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:27,587
"Parts of The Family" was because of
the working relationship between
789
00:58:27,921 --> 00:58:29,715
me and Troma became...
790
00:58:30,048 --> 00:58:30,841
not bad,
791
00:58:31,174 --> 00:58:35,470
but we got more and more
separated from each other.
792
00:58:35,804 --> 00:58:40,225
Because they edited the film
completely wrong,
793
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,227
with stupid things in between.
794
00:58:42,561 --> 00:58:44,062
This without my approval.
795
00:58:44,396 --> 00:58:48,650
Johan Vandewoestijne and
the screenwriter...
796
00:58:50,527 --> 00:58:52,738
wanted to make a very serious film.
797
00:58:53,947 --> 00:58:56,908
The problem was that the budget was so low
798
00:58:57,242 --> 00:59:02,748
that the special FX man was so bad
799
00:59:03,081 --> 00:59:05,709
that he didn't even knew
what the word "gore" meant.
800
00:59:07,502 --> 00:59:10,547
And the actors weren't always excellent,
to say the least.
801
00:59:10,881 --> 00:59:14,718
My idea was to make the film a bit more in
the typical Troma-style.
802
00:59:17,929 --> 00:59:23,268
Andreas Schnaas came to visit me one day. I
was working on a project with him.
803
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:29,232
He is famous for the
"Violent Shit"-trilogy,
804
00:59:29,566 --> 00:59:31,318
and a couple of other zombie movies.
805
00:59:31,651 --> 00:59:34,154
And "Parts of The Family" is
also a zombie movie.
806
00:59:34,488 --> 00:59:37,199
He played a small part in
"Parts of The Family"
807
00:59:37,532 --> 00:59:40,994
and those scenes became pretty campy.
808
00:59:41,411 --> 00:59:45,707
These scenes became a problem for the
producer (Johan Vandewoestijne),
809
00:59:46,041 --> 00:59:50,337
and actress (Cecilia Bergqvist) was still
confident that she would become a
810
00:59:50,670 --> 00:59:52,255
celebrity with this movie.
811
00:59:54,424 --> 00:59:58,678
So afterwards these scenes with Schnaas
where cut by the producer, who
812
00:59:59,012 --> 01:00:00,305
also was the editor.
813
01:00:05,143 --> 01:00:08,939
Lloyd Kaufman and Troma became
very angry of this...
814
01:00:09,314 --> 01:00:15,195
Troma decided to re-cut the film and
added these scenes again.
815
01:00:15,904 --> 01:00:19,282
Sadly these were already
destroyed or went 'missing'.
816
01:00:19,616 --> 01:00:21,535
Or something like that.
817
01:00:22,702 --> 01:00:26,665
So Troma got the idea to shoot
these scenes again,
818
01:00:27,207 --> 01:00:30,001
or at least comparable to
what we had before.
819
01:00:31,753 --> 01:00:33,713
That is the reason why you have two
versions of "Parts of The Family".
820
01:00:34,047 --> 01:00:35,882
Both are failures...
821
01:00:36,216 --> 01:00:42,514
But I think the version of Troma is the one
that leans the most to my original vision.
822
01:00:45,517 --> 01:00:50,647
Afterwards I decided that this was the last
time that I worked with Troma.
823
01:00:52,816 --> 01:01:00,323
And that's how I started working with
Quantum Entertainment in LA,.
824
01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:03,160
For "Engine Trouble".
825
01:01:11,293 --> 01:01:13,587
With Mark Ickx as director.
826
01:01:14,421 --> 01:01:16,715
He made the music for
"Parts of The Family".
827
01:01:20,385 --> 01:01:26,808
We wanted to make something more
mainstream assuming that it also
828
01:01:27,142 --> 01:01:29,436
would be more successful.
829
01:01:29,769 --> 01:01:31,104
But sadly that was not the case.
830
01:01:44,951 --> 01:01:50,081
We did a casting to find the
perfect Osama Bin Laden.
831
01:01:51,499 --> 01:01:56,338
This on the day of the first
anniversary of the 9/11 -attacks.
832
01:01:56,713 --> 01:02:00,508
In America everybody was sad.
833
01:02:01,218 --> 01:02:05,722
I was making fun here with Osama Bin Laden.
834
01:02:06,431 --> 01:02:10,685
On the day of the audition I arrived at the
venue in the morning and I discovered
835
01:02:11,019 --> 01:02:12,896
press, camera- teams, TV-vehicles...
836
01:02:13,230 --> 01:02:22,948
From Reuters, to the German ZDF and the
Swiss press, from all over the world.
837
01:02:23,531 --> 01:02:29,204
And then some guy arrives
dressed as an Arabic.
838
01:02:29,788 --> 01:02:31,790
He says: "I am Bin Laden."
839
01:02:32,999 --> 01:02:35,961
I was thinking: "Okay", but
he didn't say more.
840
01:02:37,087 --> 01:02:43,051
Jacques (Verbist) was a little afraid. He
arrived at the venue with dark glasses.
841
01:02:44,094 --> 01:02:46,179
Jacques... is always afraid.
842
01:02:46,513 --> 01:02:50,558
If I was him, I wouldn't
have used Bin Laden.
843
01:02:50,892 --> 01:02:57,107
But hey... he does things like that.
He likes the attention.
844
01:02:57,857 --> 01:03:03,071
And suddenly a French police
vehicle arrives.
845
01:03:03,446 --> 01:03:10,287
They rush into the hall shouting that a
terrorist is at the scene.
846
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:13,415
These cops grab the 'Bin
Laden'-guy and cuff him.
847
01:03:13,748 --> 01:03:16,543
They shout: "Who organized this casting".
"That was me".
848
01:03:16,876 --> 01:03:18,044
So they also wanted to cuff me.
849
01:03:18,378 --> 01:03:22,299
The word spreads around in all the
surrounding cafes and bars.
850
01:03:22,632 --> 01:03:25,927
And everybody
had been drinking from morning on.
851
01:03:26,261 --> 01:03:30,181
So all these young guys full of alcohol got
the word that "Rob" would be arrested.
852
01:03:30,515 --> 01:03:34,352
So they arrived at the venue with the idea
to kick some French ass.
853
01:03:34,686 --> 01:03:39,649
I calmed them down, with "it was
only for the movie".
854
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:52,912
Rob called me, telling me about "Afterman
2" and I would play in a hot swimming
855
01:03:53,246 --> 01:03:55,206
pool flashback scene.
856
01:03:55,749 --> 01:03:57,834
I was thinking: "Here we go again”.
857
01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,462
"Okay Rob, are we going to shoot
In a swimming pool?"
858
01:04:00,795 --> 01:04:04,716
He replied: "Yes, a nice swimming pool and
you'll get two lesbian girlfriends".
859
01:04:05,050 --> 01:04:09,804
Wow, I was convinced that Rob thought I
really was a lesbian or something.
860
01:04:15,643 --> 01:04:22,150
I think that everybody liked working on
Rob's sets. At least that is my impression.
861
01:04:22,484 --> 01:04:26,488
I remember a couple of stories with
Rob on "Afterman 2".
862
01:04:27,697 --> 01:04:30,450
When I worked as assistant director (and
also played a Nazi-officer).
863
01:04:30,825 --> 01:04:38,375
Rob made it seem that the private
financiers would be able to step on the
864
01:04:38,708 --> 01:04:43,088
famous stairs at the Cannes Film Festival
865
01:04:43,421 --> 01:04:45,256
at the premiere of Afterman 2.
866
01:04:45,882 --> 01:04:49,803
Well, there was a premiere, but in a small
room outside of the festival.
867
01:04:50,136 --> 01:04:51,596
No stairs and no tuxedos.
868
01:04:51,930 --> 01:04:55,433
So of course they were very disappointed.
869
01:04:55,767 --> 01:05:00,939
Van Dijck, my seller, told me he would take
care of the sales of the 'Bin Laden'-film.
870
01:05:01,272 --> 01:05:05,276
And Cannes would be plastered with
giant posters of Afterman 2.
871
01:05:05,610 --> 01:05:08,071
Well, he kept his word.
There was a giant
872
01:05:08,405 --> 01:05:12,283
poster at the Hilton Hotel, as the
American companies do.
873
01:05:12,992 --> 01:05:14,369
I said: "Holy fuck".
874
01:05:14,702 --> 01:05:16,996
And Bin Laden is pointing his finger...
875
01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:24,421
We had just arrived and we were looking at
the freshly attached poster from the corner
876
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,965
of "le bar du festival".
877
01:05:29,426 --> 01:05:31,761
And suddenly he gets a phone call from
the director.
878
01:05:32,095 --> 01:05:34,264
Van Dijck was summoned
to the main office.
879
01:05:35,306 --> 01:05:39,561
We got kicked out of the hotel and the
poster needed to get removed immediately.
880
01:05:40,311 --> 01:05:45,733
I said to Fred: "And now?". Very dry, he
told me he was leaving to the
881
01:05:46,067 --> 01:05:47,652
Formula-1 in Monaco.
882
01:05:47,986 --> 01:05:49,112
He said: "Figure it out".
883
01:05:49,446 --> 01:05:51,906
I still got a lot of unknown phone
calls afterwards...
884
01:05:52,240 --> 01:06:00,331
where a voice asked if I made fun of
Muslims and Bin Laden with this film.
885
01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:03,751
I always said: "No, it's a comedy".
886
01:06:18,433 --> 01:06:21,644
R. Kan Albay an Antwerp Turk or a Turk
living in Antwerp, it is
887
01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:23,104
still not clear to me.
888
01:06:23,438 --> 01:06:28,109
Has made, completely financed by private
investments, a couple of low-budget films.
889
01:06:28,443 --> 01:06:33,907
Among them one notable genre film,
called "The Flemish Vampire".
890
01:06:34,324 --> 01:06:37,368
With a couple of well-known Flemish
actors like Sven De Ridder.
891
01:06:38,036 --> 01:06:40,163
Through someone who worked with
us at the theater,
892
01:06:40,580 --> 01:06:49,172
who was befriended by, or the lover of, the
person who made the score for the movie.
893
01:06:49,506 --> 01:06:51,716
He told me they were filming
a vampire movie.
894
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:56,638
I told him jokingly that if they still were
searching for actors, they could call me.
895
01:06:57,847 --> 01:07:00,058
And a few weeks later, I
receive a phone call
896
01:07:00,391 --> 01:07:03,853
from a guy called R. Kan Albay.
897
01:07:04,187 --> 01:07:08,107
He was very enthusiastic on the phone.
898
01:07:09,234 --> 01:07:10,193
And very sweet.
899
01:07:12,362 --> 01:07:15,114
I was a bit swept off my feet.
900
01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:16,449
"Are you sure, father?"
901
01:07:18,618 --> 01:07:20,620
"They are masters in seduction."
902
01:07:21,329 --> 01:07:22,539
When I was on the set,
903
01:07:22,872 --> 01:07:24,791
everything was very American.
904
01:07:25,583 --> 01:07:31,047
They were shouting stuff like,
"Okay, Camera, Rolling".
905
01:07:33,216 --> 01:07:34,467
"Everybody ready." "Actors ready."
906
01:07:34,801 --> 01:07:38,263
Okay, this is the first time this
happens on a Flemish set.
907
01:07:38,972 --> 01:07:39,973
"3,2,1.."
908
01:07:40,306 --> 01:07:41,474
"Action."
909
01:07:41,849 --> 01:07:44,310
R. Kan was very good at shouting "action".
910
01:07:44,978 --> 01:07:46,604
And of course "cut, cut".
911
01:07:46,938 --> 01:07:47,981
"Wonderful, people, wonderful."
912
01:07:48,314 --> 01:07:50,858
I was thinking: what did I get into?
913
01:07:51,192 --> 01:07:52,944
Is this "Candid Camera" or something?
914
01:07:53,486 --> 01:07:55,822
But no, it was all very serious.
915
01:07:56,155 --> 01:07:58,157
But in "Americano style".
916
01:08:01,369 --> 01:08:02,245
Which I like.
917
01:08:07,333 --> 01:08:09,627
I shot for almost two days.
918
01:08:10,169 --> 01:08:14,340
First I shot only one day,
919
01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:19,304
but a couple of months later
I got a phone call
920
01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:23,182
telling me that I needed to come back
to re-shoot everything.
921
01:08:30,857 --> 01:08:32,567
For me...
922
01:08:32,942 --> 01:08:34,569
this film never really worked,
923
01:08:34,902 --> 01:08:37,989
because it hadn't the financial means.
924
01:08:38,906 --> 01:08:43,953
It's the better amateur film, sometimes
flirting with professional cinema.
925
01:08:44,287 --> 01:08:48,207
But finally more: "close but no cigar".
926
01:08:48,583 --> 01:08:50,293
Absolutely. I totally agree with Jan.
927
01:08:51,961 --> 01:08:53,671
I was sitting in the theater
during the premier...
928
01:08:54,005 --> 01:08:55,423
announced with lots of rumor.
929
01:08:55,757 --> 01:08:56,466
But I was thinking...
930
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:01,888
Oh my... One day they will ask me about
this film in a documentary.
931
01:09:02,221 --> 01:09:03,348
And here I am.
932
01:09:08,102 --> 01:09:10,146
"Left Bank" was made as a 'Faits D'Hiver'.
933
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,775
It was a TV movie for the VIM channel,
934
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,695
to give young new talent a chance to make a
feature with a low budget.
935
01:09:18,071 --> 01:09:19,405
Jan Verheyen was important in this story,
936
01:09:19,739 --> 01:09:21,699
as he was the godfather of the project.
937
01:09:22,033 --> 01:09:25,662
Very well directed and it looks great.
Great atmosphere.
938
01:09:25,995 --> 01:09:36,089
The Flemish folklore is used almost the
same way as in “The Wicker Man”.
939
01:09:36,422 --> 01:09:40,760
Dimitri, the brother of DOP Nicolas
Karakatsanis, wanted to make
940
01:09:41,094 --> 01:09:42,428
his first feature.
941
01:09:44,597 --> 01:09:45,848
He had an idea about
942
01:09:46,182 --> 01:09:48,685
a black hole in an apartment.
943
01:09:49,811 --> 01:09:53,398
Dimitri is a good friend, so I did my best
to develop this story with him.
944
01:09:54,065 --> 01:09:59,654
Some time went by. And Dimitri told me that
it would be more a project for me.
945
01:10:00,530 --> 01:10:04,534
Simultaneously I was developing "Dirty
Mind", which of course is a comedy.
946
01:10:05,034 --> 01:10:08,496
And I noticed that I was working
on two stories about
947
01:10:09,122 --> 01:10:14,752
difficult relationships, that become dark.
948
01:10:15,962 --> 01:10:20,591
For me it was interesting to try to tell
this kind of story as a
949
01:10:20,925 --> 01:10:22,927
psychological horror movie.
950
01:10:23,261 --> 01:10:26,139
Something as the Japanese ♪-horror...
951
01:10:26,472 --> 01:10:27,473
as "Dark Water".
952
01:10:27,807 --> 01:10:30,435
I personally wouldn't call “Left Bank” a
horror film, but it has elements:
953
01:10:30,768 --> 01:10:34,397
Like a knee that splits open and some
nasty stuff comes out.
954
01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:37,608
During the promotional
interviews of "Left Bank",
955
01:10:37,942 --> 01:10:40,069
we couldn't call it a horror movie.
956
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:46,033
We could say that it was a film with
'some horror elements'.
957
01:10:46,367 --> 01:10:51,164
I make movies, and mostly I discover what
kind of genre it is at the end.
958
01:10:51,497 --> 01:10:53,249
I don't start with the idea to
make a horror film.
959
01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:55,334
I made a film about a girl living in
960
01:10:55,668 --> 01:10:58,546
Leftbank, which is a horrible place.
961
01:10:59,130 --> 01:11:03,259
Probably one of the most scary
places in Belgium.
962
01:11:04,135 --> 01:11:06,179
"I don't know anybody that
lives in Leftbank."
963
01:11:06,637 --> 01:11:10,016
"My grandmother is the landlady, so
I could rent cheap."
964
01:11:10,558 --> 01:11:12,101
It was great to work with Eline.
965
01:11:13,227 --> 01:11:14,270
Eline is very talented.
966
01:11:14,771 --> 01:11:19,650
I think Pieter is one of the few directors,
that works the best for me.
967
01:11:19,984 --> 01:11:25,573
He dares to say to me: "Eline,
this is not okay".
968
01:11:25,907 --> 01:11:27,116
"Or do it again, but better."
969
01:11:27,450 --> 01:11:32,330
The difficulty with "Left Bank" for Eline
was, that she hadn't a lot of
970
01:11:32,663 --> 01:11:33,998
camera experience.
971
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:36,626
And she needed to act with somebody
as Matthias Schoenaerts.
972
01:11:37,043 --> 01:11:40,880
Who wasn't the 'Matthias Schoenaerts'
he IS now.
973
01:11:41,214 --> 01:11:45,468
My producers discouraged me to work with
Matthias. They told me he was unreliable.
974
01:11:45,802 --> 01:11:49,472
He is not going to show up. We're making a
low budget film and cannot afford that.
975
01:11:49,806 --> 01:11:51,724
I told them he was good, he
has such an energy.
976
01:11:52,058 --> 01:11:53,810
They told me there were other good actors.
977
01:11:54,143 --> 01:11:56,771
So I fought tooth and nail to
work with Matthias.
978
01:11:58,272 --> 01:12:01,067
But on the set you could see - and of
course everybody knows what
979
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,193
he became today...
980
01:12:02,527 --> 01:12:05,279
You have this raw power that he oozes.
981
01:12:05,822 --> 01:12:13,621
And to keep yourself standing as a
debutante actress is not easy.
982
01:12:14,205 --> 01:12:15,706
So she did great.
983
01:12:16,415 --> 01:12:19,293
I remember one time, I wanted to make
her feel comfortable.
984
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:23,965
So we made a black pit, even without
knowing how to make this...
985
01:12:24,298 --> 01:12:27,301
In a studio we made a huge hole
986
01:12:27,635 --> 01:12:33,266
and filled it with water and
black glucose syrup.
987
01:12:33,599 --> 01:12:37,520
It was a deep pit full of liquid sugar,
988
01:12:37,854 --> 01:12:39,605
which looked very creepy.
989
01:12:39,939 --> 01:12:41,691
Eline said: "Do I have to go in there?".
990
01:12:42,024 --> 01:12:46,988
So I told her that I would go in, during
lunch, and that she could see it was okay.
991
01:12:48,197 --> 01:12:50,032
And that was so scary.
992
01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:52,243
Because once you go in, almost
instantly the black sugar
993
01:12:52,577 --> 01:12:54,203
enters directly in your nose and ears,
994
01:12:54,537 --> 01:12:57,248
SO you can't breathe anymore.
995
01:12:57,582 --> 01:12:59,417
I started freaking out and
screaming like a girl.
996
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:01,586
And after that, Eline still
needed to go in...
997
01:13:03,754 --> 01:13:06,632
I needed to go in completely and stay
under as long as possible,
998
01:13:06,966 --> 01:13:12,013
so that they could take a long shot
of the still 'water...
999
01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:19,312
No idea if it was because of the cold
that I couldn't breathe,
1000
01:13:19,687 --> 01:13:21,939
but my body went into shock.
1001
01:13:22,273 --> 01:13:24,108
Sorry for all this, Eline.
1002
01:13:30,031 --> 01:13:36,203
What I will always remember is that
Matthias let himself never feel rushed.
1003
01:13:36,537 --> 01:13:39,040
You are doing a shoot, you need to
shoot 12 scenes a day.
1004
01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:45,713
You are running after everything, action
and cut... Which scene is next ? No idea...
1005
01:13:46,047 --> 01:13:47,173
Okay.
1006
01:13:47,548 --> 01:13:49,383
But things go wrong, the next
set is not ready,
1007
01:13:49,717 --> 01:13:51,636
so you decide to choose another side,
and it's too dark,
1008
01:13:51,969 --> 01:13:54,597
so you decide to go back to
the other side...
1009
01:13:54,931 --> 01:13:56,557
That kind of shoot.
1010
01:13:56,933 --> 01:14:01,020
And in these situations Matthias would go
to the bathroom for 20 minutes...
1011
01:14:01,854 --> 01:14:06,150
And good for him, because he was
on top of his game.
1012
01:14:06,484 --> 01:14:11,280
While Eline was running with us,
1013
01:14:11,614 --> 01:14:13,366
so you could sense she was exhausted,
1014
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:14,575
but she did her very best.
1015
01:14:24,585 --> 01:14:31,008
Funny fact: one or two years before "Left
Bank" the movie "Meisje" got released.
1016
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:32,426
A film also with Matthias Schoenaerts.
1017
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,553
And I had difficulties at school.
1018
01:14:34,887 --> 01:14:38,849
I almost flunked, was always having
problems with teachers...
1019
01:14:39,976 --> 01:14:42,812
I remember I said to myself: "That's
why I need to succeed."
1020
01:14:43,145 --> 01:14:46,148
"One day I want to have a love- scene
with Matthias Schoenaerts."
1021
01:14:50,403 --> 01:14:54,198
To this day people keep mailing
me about "Left Bank".
1022
01:14:54,615 --> 01:15:00,371
Every year I get various Facebook messages
from all over the world
1023
01:15:00,705 --> 01:15:03,499
from people whom discovered the film.
1024
01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:06,669
"Left Bank" did have a career in the USA.
1025
01:15:07,003 --> 01:15:08,713
IFC bought the film.
1026
01:15:09,171 --> 01:15:11,173
Because it was labeled as a horror movie.
1027
01:15:11,507 --> 01:15:14,969
The film sold around 30,000 tickets
1028
01:15:15,302 --> 01:15:21,225
and has a hardcore fan base of
maybe 50 people in Japan,
1029
01:15:21,559 --> 01:15:23,394
who sometimes send out fan mail...
1030
01:15:24,478 --> 01:15:28,274
This should have been more in my humble
opinion, because the film
1031
01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:29,859
deserves a lot more.
1032
01:15:30,192 --> 01:15:32,987
“Left Bank" is a very powerful film.
1033
01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:36,949
But of course when you screw up the ending
of your film, you have a problem.
1034
01:15:37,324 --> 01:15:42,163
Because the ending dictates the feeling of
the audience when they leave the cinema.
1035
01:15:43,289 --> 01:15:49,962
I think it's important that you know from
the start what to fear in a horror film.
1036
01:15:50,296 --> 01:15:51,464
And with "Left Bank" I had the feeling
1037
01:15:51,797 --> 01:15:55,718
that I only knew at the end where
the danger was hidden.
1038
01:15:56,052 --> 01:15:57,803
That is a very strong film.
1039
01:15:59,138 --> 01:16:00,097
Except the last ten minutes...
1040
01:16:00,514 --> 01:16:01,974
The rebirth?
1041
01:16:02,349 --> 01:16:03,100
What?
1042
01:16:03,601 --> 01:16:05,227
Marilou Mermans with a crossbow?
1043
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:06,437
What?
1044
01:16:08,481 --> 01:16:13,360
If I am the only one that likes the ending,
maybe there is indeed a problem.
1045
01:16:13,694 --> 01:16:14,779
I can admit that.
1046
01:16:16,655 --> 01:16:17,656
But except from everything:
1047
01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:22,828
I remain convinced of the concept that
we created at the end.
1048
01:16:23,954 --> 01:16:25,873
But it was so low budget.
1049
01:16:26,207 --> 01:16:30,044
And I think that we failed in the
execution of the ending,
1050
01:16:30,377 --> 01:16:31,629
to make it really convincing.
1051
01:16:31,962 --> 01:16:34,131
You have a nice buildup of tension
1052
01:16:34,465 --> 01:16:36,425
and then it goes...
1053
01:16:36,759 --> 01:16:39,011
And the audience is probably thinking:
"What just happened?".
1054
01:16:40,554 --> 01:16:43,682
The ending maybe needed to be
longer or something.
1055
01:16:44,058 --> 01:16:47,978
We had some extra shots of the
building that started cracking
1056
01:16:48,312 --> 01:16:51,232
and dirt that gets inside,
through cracks and such.
1057
01:16:51,565 --> 01:16:54,652
What could have been put in the movie to
accentuate the buildup more.
1058
01:16:55,319 --> 01:16:57,238
The editor persuaded me that
we didn't need it.
1059
01:16:57,571 --> 01:16:58,531
That it would work better
1060
01:16:58,864 --> 01:17:00,282
with a more abrupt twist.
1061
01:17:00,616 --> 01:17:01,534
But now I think that the film
1062
01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:05,579
needed the extra shots to better
announce the ending.
1063
01:17:17,341 --> 01:17:24,265
We wanted to make something like,
you know, M. Night Shyamalan...
1064
01:17:24,598 --> 01:17:26,642
Aargh, what is that movie called again?
1065
01:17:27,601 --> 01:17:29,061
"I see dead peoples"...
1066
01:17:29,728 --> 01:17:30,813
"The Sixth Sense"? Right.
1067
01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:37,903
This was the first movie that we
didn't shoot on 'film'.
1068
01:17:39,321 --> 01:17:46,036
I am sure that a lot of movies, because of
the costs of film materials, couldn't be
1069
01:17:46,370 --> 01:17:48,330
financed ten years ago,
1070
01:17:48,664 --> 01:17:52,793
but are now possible because these costs
can be cut out of the budget.
1071
01:17:59,967 --> 01:18:02,595
It was a pity that we had to
shoot during weekends.
1072
01:18:02,928 --> 01:18:07,141
So finally we have been shooting for more
than three and a half months.
1073
01:18:07,474 --> 01:18:09,185
And
that is terrible...
1074
01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:14,648
So I promised myself to shoot again as in
the old days, only during the week and
1075
01:18:14,982 --> 01:18:16,483
the weekend is sacred.
1076
01:18:31,165 --> 01:18:36,295
I made a short that shows what happens at
the end of "The Afterman":
1077
01:18:36,629 --> 01:18:41,383
Global warming, people are living
like rats with gas masks.
1078
01:18:41,717 --> 01:18:43,594
The after man walks around with a mask.
1079
01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:48,057
And mutations everywhere, people
changing into beasts.
1080
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:51,101
I wanted to make it strong enough
for "Afterman I".
1081
01:18:53,145 --> 01:18:56,106
But you need a beginning of course.
1082
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,235
And I didn't have the means to
go out and shoot it.
1083
01:19:00,361 --> 01:19:05,407
So I added footage from "Blue Belgium" and
footage from my other films.
1084
01:19:05,741 --> 01:19:09,662
So I made a whole new edit and it
ends with "Anno 2033".
1085
01:19:10,204 --> 01:19:11,747
That is "Afterman Ill", sadly.
1086
01:19:27,805 --> 01:19:30,516
A totally fucked up horror movie
with a living placenta.
1087
01:19:31,558 --> 01:19:32,518
That idea was so funny
1088
01:19:32,851 --> 01:19:35,729
that we had fun with it for 6 months.
1089
01:19:36,063 --> 01:19:37,064
The moment...
1090
01:19:37,898 --> 01:19:40,776
that we decided to make the film,
1091
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:43,153
it already existed because
of all the jokes.
1092
01:19:43,487 --> 01:19:46,073
So it was written really fast.
1093
01:19:49,451 --> 01:19:50,869
It was our graduation film.
1094
01:19:57,126 --> 01:20:01,380
The screenplay was a good casting filter.
1095
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,925
So you could instantly decide if
somebody was interested.
1096
01:20:06,135 --> 01:20:10,222
We received replies like 'I don't like
beating up placentas'.
1097
01:20:12,391 --> 01:20:14,310
But also things like 'Wow'.
1098
01:20:15,436 --> 01:20:17,354
Karel (Vingerhoets) was persuaded because,
1099
01:20:17,688 --> 01:20:21,692
they always call him to play the
good father or granddad.
1100
01:20:22,026 --> 01:20:23,527
He never gets something crazy.
1101
01:20:23,861 --> 01:20:25,821
Now he got the chance to play
something completely different.
1102
01:20:26,155 --> 01:20:29,867
I think you notice that, with
his acting in the film
1103
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,036
that he is having great fun.
1104
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:38,208
It was also great to work with
Celine (Verbeeck).
1105
01:20:38,542 --> 01:20:41,420
No idea if she liked
working with us...
1106
01:20:42,629 --> 01:20:48,635
I think she liked us, but not...
one of her co-stars.
1107
01:20:48,969 --> 01:20:53,849
But Celine is a very warm
person to have on a set.
1108
01:20:54,308 --> 01:20:56,018
Very professional.
1109
01:21:05,486 --> 01:21:10,532
In the beginning we had a big crew,
1110
01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,660
but because we didn't have a
budget to pay people
1111
01:21:13,994 --> 01:21:18,957
we couldn't ask people anymore to help us
for the rest of the shoot.
1112
01:21:20,751 --> 01:21:26,173
At the end of the shoot we used
our house as a location
1113
01:21:26,507 --> 01:21:30,260
and with the placenta on one hand I was
doing sound and camera...
1114
01:21:30,594 --> 01:21:32,513
While I was also doing other stuff.
1115
01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:37,643
I wouldn't have it any other way to make
the placenta ourselves.
1116
01:21:37,976 --> 01:21:41,897
And to do everything, like all
the special effects.
1117
01:21:42,231 --> 01:21:43,982
It was with a lot of pleasure.
1118
01:21:44,525 --> 01:21:47,027
I do think that I lost 5 years of my life
1119
01:21:47,361 --> 01:21:49,113
because I slept in the room
1120
01:21:49,446 --> 01:21:51,198
where we made the placenta
1121
01:21:51,532 --> 01:21:54,410
In polyester and other nasty
chemicals we used.
1122
01:22:01,375 --> 01:22:03,794
I see the film as a success.
1123
01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:07,464
When we were writing the film...
1124
01:22:08,048 --> 01:22:09,967
it was always the idea to make something
1125
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:12,386
that could find its way in the
commercial circuit.
1126
01:22:12,719 --> 01:22:17,266
So we made sure to choose a specific topic,
1127
01:22:17,599 --> 01:22:21,520
so we could put stuff in it, that
would sell the film.
1128
01:22:23,689 --> 01:22:27,693
The only thing that Lloyd Kaufman
from Troma asked us,
1129
01:22:28,026 --> 01:22:30,904
was the use of the word "placenta”
in the title.
1130
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,032
The rest didn't matter for him.
1131
01:22:34,366 --> 01:22:37,995
So the release with the American
title was our idea.
1132
01:22:38,328 --> 01:22:42,374
It was a commercial choice to change the
title for the US market.
1133
01:22:43,292 --> 01:22:45,502
We both wouldn't mind.
1134
01:22:50,716 --> 01:22:55,846
When I shot "Lucker" I was 23 years old. I
was very young and inexperienced.
1135
01:22:56,180 --> 01:23:00,767
I wasn't mature enough to direct.
1136
01:23:01,101 --> 01:23:06,356
That is why I didn't direct for so many
years. Until around 2011,
1137
01:23:09,651 --> 01:23:15,741
when people started telling me, if I had
made the movie, the result would
1138
01:23:16,074 --> 01:23:17,826
have been different.
1139
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:24,082
And directly after, I directed a couple
of movies for the city.
1140
01:23:25,751 --> 01:23:29,671
And that was a lot more fun than years ago.
1141
01:23:30,005 --> 01:23:31,924
"This is very good merchandise."
1142
01:23:32,257 --> 01:23:34,426
"It is the same that Andras Pandy used."
1143
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,428
"Until his daughter
betrayed him of course."
1144
01:23:36,762 --> 01:23:40,307
I wanted to have fun.
So when I couldn't
1145
01:23:40,641 --> 01:23:45,979
catch sleep again, I decided to
start on a screenplay.
1146
01:23:46,355 --> 01:23:51,109
One thing led to another and everything
fell into place quite fast.
1147
01:23:51,568 --> 01:23:59,701
“Todeloo" is a strange movie, which
balances between regional amateur cinema
1148
01:24:00,035 --> 01:24:03,705
and something with more ambition.
1149
01:24:04,915 --> 01:24:08,919
But for me it is more a regional...
1150
01:24:09,962 --> 01:24:12,047
a very regional thing.
1151
01:24:12,798 --> 01:24:15,175
Yes, in fact it is, it is.
1152
01:24:24,643 --> 01:24:27,980
I'm not an author, just let me try
to make a horror film.
1153
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:39,533
You will never be ready for
your first feature.
1154
01:24:39,866 --> 01:24:44,705
There was extra pressure because this was
an original story and not an adaptation
1155
01:24:45,038 --> 01:24:46,373
of a novel or a comic.
1156
01:24:46,707 --> 01:24:48,667
I'm very pleased with it, because
it's also autobiographic.
1157
01:24:49,001 --> 01:24:51,962
It was a bit of a leap of faith.
1158
01:24:52,796 --> 01:24:57,384
During pre-production we asked ourselves
whether or not Belgium wanted
1159
01:24:57,718 --> 01:24:59,177
another horror movie.
1160
01:25:00,387 --> 01:25:03,265
I was very pleased with the support of the
Flemish Audiovisual Fund (VAF).
1161
01:25:03,599 --> 01:25:07,144
Surprising, because there is some
violence in the movie.
1162
01:25:07,477 --> 01:25:10,439
Some people would call it 'exploitation'.
I don't think it is.
1163
01:25:10,939 --> 01:25:14,818
In the contract of the VAF is written
1164
01:25:16,028 --> 01:25:18,905
that it cannot be exploitation if you
want to receive funding,
1165
01:25:19,239 --> 01:25:23,910
and there has to be an educational purpose.
1166
01:25:24,244 --> 01:25:27,372
So I still don't understand
how we got the money.
1167
01:25:28,165 --> 01:25:31,293
Maybe "Cub" is educating in a way that I
didn't anticipate myself.
1168
01:25:31,627 --> 01:25:35,380
It is a perception or the idea
1169
01:25:35,714 --> 01:25:37,466
that filmmakers have
1170
01:25:37,799 --> 01:25:40,594
to automatically say: "This will never
get accepted by the VAF".
1171
01:25:40,927 --> 01:25:44,765
Or "they will never go for this"
1172
01:25:45,098 --> 01:25:46,099
and that is so wrong.
1173
01:25:46,683 --> 01:25:48,935
We want quality films.
1174
01:25:49,269 --> 01:25:51,188
In every genre.
1175
01:25:51,730 --> 01:25:54,274
This means 'yes to art-house',
1176
01:25:54,608 --> 01:25:55,317
but also mainstream.
1177
01:25:55,651 --> 01:25:57,402
As long as these are good.
1178
01:26:08,914 --> 01:26:15,295
We did our best to hype "Cub" through
Facebook, because we didn't have
1179
01:26:15,629 --> 01:26:18,215
money to do it differently.
1180
01:26:18,548 --> 01:26:20,592
We were happy with what was
happening on-line.
1181
01:26:21,426 --> 01:26:24,846
But when the film was released, the
Belgian film commission decided
1182
01:26:25,180 --> 01:26:30,644
"Cub" was rated for all ages.
1183
01:26:30,977 --> 01:26:35,107
"Cub" stars twelve year old kids so they
thought twelve year old kids
1184
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:36,900
could also see the film.
1185
01:26:37,234 --> 01:26:40,028
I was offended. Apparently I didn't make
the horror hardcore enough
1186
01:26:40,362 --> 01:26:43,532
because kids could watch the film
and that is not okay.
1187
01:26:44,491 --> 01:26:47,869
It's not because kids are the leads that
it's suitable for kids.
1188
01:26:48,286 --> 01:26:52,374
But later it caused some controversy and
they changed the commission,
1189
01:26:52,708 --> 01:26:54,543
so we unwillingly reformed
the film commission,
1190
01:26:54,876 --> 01:26:55,669
which I am happy about.
1191
01:26:56,002 --> 01:27:01,216
It was a few select people that did it on
their free time. Or so it seemed...
1192
01:27:01,550 --> 01:27:06,179
After "Cub" they left the commission and
asked others to take over.
1193
01:27:06,513 --> 01:27:10,350
So at least we contributed to that.
1194
01:27:15,522 --> 01:27:20,694
In Belgium some described "Cub" as a
rather tame horror film,
1195
01:27:21,027 --> 01:27:22,904
so I somewhat failed.
1196
01:27:23,238 --> 01:27:29,035
But as the film opened abroad I could see
the different issues arising.
1197
01:27:29,369 --> 01:27:36,126
In the US the 'violence against animals'
and the fact that most of the actors are 12
1198
01:27:36,460 --> 01:27:38,545
years old were a problem.
1199
01:27:38,879 --> 01:27:42,382
And the main reasons there hasn't
been a remake.
1200
01:27:46,636 --> 01:27:49,973
When a film starts to travel around the
world, it's especially good for your ego.
1201
01:27:51,099 --> 01:27:57,189
Belgian newspapers make it look like you
are some kind of "wunderkind",
1202
01:27:57,522 --> 01:28:01,359
but in reality you don't have the
best distribution deals,
1203
01:28:01,693 --> 01:28:06,656
you have the most ugly DVD covers, for
example in Turkey or the USA.
1204
01:28:07,574 --> 01:28:09,826
The film played for one day in the
British Prince Charles cinema,
1205
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,829
which is a very cool venue, but
only 'one day'?...
1206
01:28:13,163 --> 01:28:15,874
Just to honor the contract.
1207
01:28:16,208 --> 01:28:19,002
So it's a reality check.
1208
01:28:19,336 --> 01:28:21,797
But it's fun to discover the world
through all the festivals
1209
01:28:23,423 --> 01:28:26,468
and doing drunk Q&A's after the
screening is always fun.
1210
01:28:27,761 --> 01:28:30,555
It amazed me that "Cub" has been released
1211
01:28:30,889 --> 01:28:33,767
in Italy, in the USA and the UK,
which I wanted.
1212
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:40,023
But the film wasn't released in Belgium
with French subtitles.
1213
01:28:42,275 --> 01:28:46,196
I am a very big fan of Fabrice Du Welz.
1214
01:28:46,530 --> 01:28:49,324
But try to see Alléluia in
a Flemish cinema,
1215
01:28:49,658 --> 01:28:51,952
on this side of the country,
that is very difficult.
1216
01:28:52,619 --> 01:28:54,621
And that's crazy, because
the man is a genius.
1217
01:28:55,413 --> 01:28:57,207
Horror will always be an underdog genre.
1218
01:28:57,541 --> 01:29:01,878
I bet that all the people you talked to,
have encountered the same opposition.
1219
01:29:02,212 --> 01:29:03,088
So, I don't care
1220
01:29:03,421 --> 01:29:08,176
and I am happy to be in this inner circle
of the people that tried.
1221
01:29:08,552 --> 01:29:12,597
I was very happy with "Cub”. Very glad
that Jonas dared to try it.
1222
01:29:12,931 --> 01:29:13,640
But sorry...
1223
01:29:13,974 --> 01:29:19,896
Around 80,000 tickets sold, some
video sales here and there,
1224
01:29:20,230 --> 01:29:22,774
and a couple of midnight screenings
at some film festivals.
1225
01:29:27,028 --> 01:29:28,947
For me these aren't the kind of numbers
1226
01:29:29,281 --> 01:29:32,158
and go out to make one myself.
1227
01:29:36,037 --> 01:29:40,709
I pitched it to director Jan
Verheyen long before shooting
1228
01:29:42,878 --> 01:29:50,969
and he told me that the Flemish
language makes it less scary.
1229
01:29:51,303 --> 01:29:54,055
I hope I convinced people otherwise.
1230
01:29:55,223 --> 01:29:58,059
I am not sure that 85,000
admissions is the ceiling.
1231
01:29:58,393 --> 01:29:59,936
That's what we got.
1232
01:30:00,478 --> 01:30:01,271
But I don't think so.
1233
01:30:01,605 --> 01:30:07,152
The ceiling is only the
ceiling until the moment
1234
01:30:07,485 --> 01:30:11,615
a new genre film breaks it and crosses
over into the mainstream.
1235
01:30:11,948 --> 01:30:13,867
That will be the new ceiling.
1236
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:18,997
"Cub" has been sold as horror, horror,
horror...
1237
01:30:19,331 --> 01:30:23,168
and even more on the fact that it is a
slasher, in the marketing.
1238
01:30:23,501 --> 01:30:26,129
And by doing this you know that you will
address a specific audience.
1239
01:30:26,463 --> 01:30:29,966
For a niche kind of film it is
amazing what "Cub" did.
1240
01:30:31,176 --> 01:30:36,806
And I think it has more to do with how
Jonas Govaerts made the genre acceptable.
1241
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:39,935
How he talked about it.
1242
01:30:42,103 --> 01:30:44,022
And also probably because he
Is such a cool boy.
1243
01:30:44,356 --> 01:30:46,232
All the kids where thinking:
"What a cool cat".
1244
01:30:46,566 --> 01:30:48,276
"We need to see that film."
1245
01:30:56,201 --> 01:31:01,831
The screenplay is partly based on the
life of Jeffrey Dahmer,
1246
01:31:02,165 --> 01:31:08,088
the notorious American serial killer. And
also a little on Andras Pandy.
1247
01:31:09,214 --> 01:31:11,800
So you can be sure that this is a
very romantic film...
1248
01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:19,557
Through Ruth Vanhuyse I got in touch
with a bunch of models.
1249
01:31:23,103 --> 01:31:25,814
And then we started with the castings.
1250
01:31:26,940 --> 01:31:31,486
They needed to be... pretty,
1251
01:31:33,405 --> 01:31:36,908
not afraid to show a boob
1252
01:31:37,242 --> 01:31:39,452
and talk some decent English.
1253
01:31:45,625 --> 01:31:52,924
And during these castings we came across
Sharon (Slosse, the main actress).
1254
01:32:02,017 --> 01:32:06,813
They still make a lot of horror, because
worldwide there is a very loyal
1255
01:32:07,147 --> 01:32:08,565
crowd for these films.
1256
01:32:08,898 --> 01:32:10,567
I admire these fans by the way.
1257
01:32:10,900 --> 01:32:15,697
As you discovered here: you need to
swim through a lot of crap
1258
01:32:16,031 --> 01:32:19,868
to find a diamond, so you can say: "yes,
yes, I made a discovery".
1259
01:32:20,201 --> 01:32:24,205
But every year you have a few movies that
jump out to the masses.
1260
01:32:24,581 --> 01:32:29,335
So theoretically, it must be possible
1261
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:37,844
to make something in Flemish which can
become one of these exceptions.
1262
01:32:38,344 --> 01:32:46,102
If they keep on opposing exploitation
films, if it's horror or even action...
1263
01:32:47,687 --> 01:32:52,275
If the establishment keeps looking down,
1264
01:32:52,609 --> 01:32:54,194
then things will never change.
1265
01:32:54,527 --> 01:32:57,489
If you ask the government for funding with
something controversial,
1266
01:32:57,822 --> 01:32:59,657
they will put their hands in
the air to protest.
1267
01:33:00,784 --> 01:33:02,660
I don't want to hurt people...
1268
01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:06,956
but it needs to have some quality.
1269
01:33:07,582 --> 01:33:11,878
I think you can't compare the work of Harry KĂĽmel with the one of Johan
1270
01:33:12,212 --> 01:33:13,296
Vandewoestijne...
1271
01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:17,383
Johan Vandewoestijne is a very proud
exploitation director,
1272
01:33:18,009 --> 01:33:22,514
while Harry KĂĽmel is an author who
worked in various genres,
1273
01:33:22,847 --> 01:33:25,642
and couldn't realize all of his projects,
because of his international ambitions.
1274
01:33:25,975 --> 01:33:31,981
The revival of the Flemish film started
with "The Alzheimer Case".
1275
01:33:32,315 --> 01:33:34,067
Which is a genre film.
1276
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,152
It's of course not horror,
but a genre film.
1277
01:33:36,486 --> 01:33:39,197
Something I would like to see
1278
01:33:39,531 --> 01:33:41,199
are good screenplays, in any genre.
1279
01:33:41,533 --> 01:33:43,535
It's that simple.
1280
01:33:44,077 --> 01:33:47,831
Our audiovisual industry
grows more and more
1281
01:33:49,582 --> 01:33:51,793
and we make more films,
1282
01:33:52,335 --> 01:33:56,840
so the chance is statisticaly bigger
that somebody has the balls
1283
01:33:57,173 --> 01:33:59,926
to go out and make a Flemish zombie film.
1284
01:34:00,260 --> 01:34:02,220
Lars had an idea for a zombie film.
1285
01:34:03,346 --> 01:34:05,265
And after a while I got a
screenplay in the mail
1286
01:34:05,598 --> 01:34:07,433
which was ready to shoot.
1287
01:34:10,395 --> 01:34:15,775
To sell the idea of the feature, we had
the idea to make a teaser.
1288
01:34:23,783 --> 01:34:24,659
That was so cool.
1289
01:34:24,993 --> 01:34:26,911
I shot one day on this.
1290
01:34:28,997 --> 01:34:31,958
I played a very eccentric nurse.
1291
01:34:32,292 --> 01:34:35,003
It was 'all bets are off', and
everything was possible.
1292
01:34:35,336 --> 01:34:39,340
We shot in a hospital, with lots
of blood and guts.
1293
01:34:39,674 --> 01:34:40,383
Incredibly fun to do.
1294
01:34:52,103 --> 01:34:55,356
It's a teaser in the sense of 'we
are going to have fun'.
1295
01:34:55,690 --> 01:34:57,233
It needs to be fun.
1296
01:34:57,567 --> 01:35:01,696
The story is: A guy dies during an
operation and comes back as zombie.
1297
01:35:03,740 --> 01:35:05,491
"Patient Zero" has been shot in POV,
1298
01:35:05,825 --> 01:35:07,952
and this will not be the case in
the upcoming feature.
1299
01:35:13,249 --> 01:35:20,048
"Braindead", "The Evil Dead" and "Bad
Taste" are references for "Yummie".
1300
01:35:20,423 --> 01:35:21,841
The more gore, the merrier.
1301
01:35:25,637 --> 01:35:27,555
I already sent out my resume for that one.
1302
01:35:28,765 --> 01:35:30,683
How cool would that be?
1303
01:35:31,226 --> 01:35:33,311
But of course I also saw the
horror short "The Pond",
1304
01:35:33,686 --> 01:35:36,940
but I am curious how you would make
a feature out of this?
1305
01:35:50,078 --> 01:35:51,663
"The Pond" is about an 8 year little girl,
1306
01:35:51,996 --> 01:35:55,625
and she needs to unravel a dark secret
1307
01:35:55,959 --> 01:35:59,045
about the dark pond behind the
castle where she lives.
1308
01:35:59,462 --> 01:36:06,803
For us it is very important that we expand
the world that we created
1309
01:36:07,136 --> 01:36:10,306
in this short and to go deeper.
1310
01:36:13,434 --> 01:36:15,019
Very good that you think
that it's so Flemish.
1311
01:36:15,353 --> 01:36:18,940
This is probably something that
comes from ourselves.
1312
01:36:19,774 --> 01:36:31,077
We used Flemish cliches in a genre... that
we don't practice a lot in Flanders.
1313
01:36:31,411 --> 01:36:33,246
But it will feature a ghost.
1314
01:36:33,579 --> 01:36:34,372
A Flemish ghost.
1315
01:36:42,714 --> 01:36:45,591
Of course there will be gore in the
feature version of "The Pond".
1316
01:36:45,925 --> 01:36:47,844
I bet this will be in the final cut.
1317
01:36:48,970 --> 01:36:55,143
Already for years people keep asking me to
do a sequel to "Rabid Grannies".
1318
01:36:56,269 --> 01:36:58,563
And it has been years that I decline.
1319
01:37:01,024 --> 01:37:06,029
But because of the 5-picture deal with SGL
Ent., being "Laundry Man" the
1320
01:37:06,362 --> 01:37:07,864
first of this deal.
1321
01:37:08,990 --> 01:37:10,033
I felt something like:
1322
01:37:10,533 --> 01:37:11,826
Why not?
1323
01:37:14,203 --> 01:37:17,290
It will be called "Rabid Family" (aka
Ravenshore) and it will be about
1324
01:37:17,623 --> 01:37:21,419
the kids or the grand kids
1325
01:37:21,753 --> 01:37:28,343
whom need to go back for an inheritance.
1326
01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:30,511
My follow-up to "Cub" is called
"Heads Will Roll".
1327
01:37:30,845 --> 01:37:36,726
I was part of a hard rock band and the
dynamic between band members is so
1328
01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:38,853
interesting and funny.
1329
01:37:39,187 --> 01:37:40,104
Let me do something with it.
1330
01:37:40,438 --> 01:37:44,067
Of course I hope that
somebody surprises me
1331
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,237
and especially proves me wrong.
1332
01:37:48,571 --> 01:37:52,784
What I - in that case - will gladly admit.107912