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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 3 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,166 People often overlook that everything 4 00:00:16,178 --> 00:00:18,960 that was not born or grown was once mined. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,800 It might be an inconvenient truth, but without mining, 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,840 there wouldn't be any buildings or bridges. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,000 No railway tracks or fridges. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,840 No smartphones or electric buses. 9 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:34,720 I think I have a piece. 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,080 Yes, let's check. 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,800 Our fight against climate change also relies on mining. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,760 Lithium, for example, is a crucial element for batteries 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,720 powering electric mobility and stationary energy storage. 14 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,840 Seven percent of lithium oxide. 15 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:58,160 It's not like Europe lacks lithium in its bedrock. 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,400 We have different kinds of lithium in Europe. 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Spodumene like this that is very important 18 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:09,080 and lithium as zinnwaldite in Germany, jadarite in Serbia 19 00:01:09,320 --> 00:01:10,320 and many others. 20 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,320 Is lithium everywhere then? 21 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,000 Yes, Europe could be self-sufficient 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,880 in terms of lithium, for sure. 23 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:20,000 Why don't we have any operational mines in Europe? 24 00:01:20,121 --> 00:01:21,920 Yeah, quite interesting. 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,680 They just see the disadvantages, they don't see the advantages. 26 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Climate change is the defining challenge of our time. 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,160 To move to a climate-neutral world, 28 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,040 the total demand for critical minerals is projected 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,920 to triple between today and 2040. 30 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,178 Of all the critical minerals, lithium 31 00:01:48,190 --> 00:01:50,280 stands out with eight-fold growth. 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,600 These critical minerals are vital for wind turbines, 33 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,560 solar panels, batteries and electric vehicles, 34 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,334 along with many other clean 35 00:01:59,346 --> 00:02:01,240 technologies essential for advancing 36 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,320 towards a climate-neutral society. 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,320 The International Energy Agency has calculated 38 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,240 that we need 50 new mines for lithium by 2030. 39 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,840 In Europe we have loads of potential, 40 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,480 and yet, in the real world, we still haven't got 41 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,160 any single operational lithium mine in Europe itself. 42 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,720 That is a huge paradox for me. 43 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:27,200 It is a paradox. 44 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,120 As the race for critical minerals takes center stage 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,400 on the global geopolitical agenda, 46 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:35,400 Europe can no longer afford to remain passive. 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,080 US President Trump enforced 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,240 a “critical minerals for security” deal with Ukraine, 49 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,640 while also eyeing Greenland's untapped resources. 50 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,702 Meanwhile, China holds significant stakes 51 00:02:47,714 --> 00:02:50,040 in the Democratic Republic of Congo 52 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,720 and continues to dominate the lithium market. 53 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,856 Although Australia and Chile may possess 54 00:02:55,868 --> 00:02:58,000 larger lithium reserves than China, 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,596 the Chinese have secured almost 60 percent 56 00:03:01,608 --> 00:03:04,480 of the global lithium refining capacity 57 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:08,280 and 75 percent of global battery production. 58 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,404 To avoid sleepwalking into the 59 00:03:11,416 --> 00:03:14,000 abyss, Europe's time to act is now. 60 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,671 This map corroborates the huge 61 00:03:16,683 --> 00:03:19,640 potential for lithium mining in Europe. 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,240 We have deposits spread from Portugal right up to Finland. 63 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,200 If you look at the size of the deposits, 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,400 two of the crucial ones are here in Serbia, 65 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,200 and there in Portugal. 66 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:37,800 Both of these mines face quite a lot of opposition, 67 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,920 local opposition and even national opposition. 68 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,120 Mining is needed, but not always wanted. 69 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,120 Take Portugal, for example. 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,960 A number of locals in Covas do Barroso 71 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:52,994 have voiced strong concerns about 72 00:03:53,006 --> 00:03:54,960 lithium extraction in their region. 73 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,400 In Serbia, an EU candidate member state, 74 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,240 protests have been elevated from the local to the national level. 75 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,560 Many Serbs argue 76 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,000 that the mine will destroy their environment and agriculture. 77 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,920 It just shows that Europe's climate targets 78 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,000 often conflict with local or national demands 79 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,720 for environmental and cultural preservation. 80 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,292 Doctor Peter Tom Jones wants to dig 81 00:04:26,304 --> 00:04:28,480 deeper into this lithium paradox. 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:29,960 That's why he's travelling 83 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,640 to the Barroso region in the north of Portugal, 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,440 where one of the largest lithium deposits in Europe is situated. 85 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,080 Hello, good evening. 86 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,520 Please. 87 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Jones is the director 88 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,440 of the KU Leuven Institute for Sustainable Metals and Minerals 89 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,560 in Belgium, 90 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,920 an internationally renowned interdisciplinary institute 91 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,560 recognized for its expertise in lithium. 92 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,680 This is a copy of the five-liter one, it's just a bigger version. 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,440 Beyond his academic work, 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,360 Jones has spent over 30 years passionately advocating 95 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,840 for a just transition to a climate-neutral society. 96 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,720 However, he has come to recognize 97 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,288 that this transition inevitably requires 98 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:14,400 the extraction of critical metals. 99 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,080 This raises an essential question. 100 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Can mining be conducted responsibly 101 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,440 and can Europe lead the way as a global pioneer? 102 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,461 The problem is that mining has such 103 00:05:26,473 --> 00:05:28,440 a bad reputation all over the world, 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,560 and yet in Europe, we can do it in a different way. 105 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,680 We can do it in an ESG-friendly way. 106 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,065 That's what I want to find out, to see 107 00:05:36,077 --> 00:05:37,920 how it can be done in a better way. 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,480 The first stop on his journey is Boticas, 109 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,840 where the headquarters of Savannah Resources are situated. 110 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,468 Savannah is a British mining company 111 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,840 listed on the London Stock Exchange. 112 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,840 This junior company has one mining project in its portfolio, 113 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,320 the controversial Barroso Lithium Project. 114 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,760 If all goes according to plan, 115 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,296 the first of four open pit mines 116 00:06:09,308 --> 00:06:11,920 will commence operations in 2027. 117 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,360 The project is going to have four pits, 118 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,486 and this is just a representation 119 00:06:17,498 --> 00:06:19,360 of the timeline of the project. 120 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 We are going to operate four pits in sequence. 121 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,983 One by one, and as we open a new 122 00:06:25,995 --> 00:06:28,240 one, we backfill the previous one. 123 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:30,544 In the model, the location of the 124 00:06:30,556 --> 00:06:32,120 first one would be right here. 125 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,400 Then we work on this one. 126 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,403 Then we would come to this one, and 127 00:06:36,415 --> 00:06:38,240 then finally to this pit right here. 128 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:43,760 As you can see, two of the pits here are already rehabilitated. 129 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,210 The trend in mining is to go 130 00:06:46,222 --> 00:06:48,640 underground towards invisible mines, 131 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,760 so why did you go for open pits? 132 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,640 From a technical perspective, the resource is on the surface, 133 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,320 so it doesn't warrant an underground mine here. 134 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,120 Okay, but I do see villages 135 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,600 which are relatively close by this open pit in particular. 136 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,947 I guess they're worried about dust, 137 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:11,960 noise, vibrations, and water issues. 138 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,320 How do you deal with those complaints? 139 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,160 We've already identified 140 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,040 and mapped out a lot of the concerns from the population, 141 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,080 and you mentioned a few of them. 142 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,725 Of course, we have mitigation measures 143 00:07:24,737 --> 00:07:26,720 in place to manage and mitigate 144 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,972 and minimize all of those negative 145 00:07:28,984 --> 00:07:30,760 aspects or negative impacts, 146 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,320 whether it's sound, dust, or air quality, for example. 147 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,640 We need to see it before we can believe it, 148 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,800 so let's go to this place and speak to the people. 149 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,400 The mining activities would occur in the Barroso region, 150 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,040 an area renowned for its strong cultural identity 151 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,520 and recognized as World Agricultural Heritage. 152 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,120 Despite its agricultural significance, 153 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,400 the region also has a long tradition of mining. 154 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:04,960 This region is the tip 155 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,880 of a protected area recognized for its agricultural heritage, 156 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,815 and what's being recognized is the 157 00:08:13,827 --> 00:08:16,200 traditional agricultural practices. 158 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,868 The resistance will say that you'll 159 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:19,160 be destroying that way of life. 160 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,240 Those who protest the project claim that there's a risk 161 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,640 that they're going to lose that recognition 162 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,400 but it's interesting to know that that classification, 163 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,354 that recognition was granted in 2018 164 00:08:32,366 --> 00:08:35,520 with already a series of mining projects 165 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:40,880 in the protected area. 166 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:43,640 It's not at all incompatible, 167 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,880 besides the fact that we're going to be occupying 168 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,200 a very, very small portion of that area. 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,000 While driving to Covas do Barroso, 170 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,648 Peter Tom Jones and Thomas Gaultier pass 171 00:08:56,660 --> 00:08:59,200 through numerous semi-deserted villages. 172 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:01,753 The younger generation of Portugal has 173 00:09:01,765 --> 00:09:03,680 left the northern part of the country 174 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,800 to pursue education in coastal cities or abroad, 175 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,760 and they have not returned due to the lack of jobs. 176 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,123 You reckon the mine will provide new 177 00:09:13,135 --> 00:09:14,840 economic developments here, then? 178 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,328 It's definitely going to create a 179 00:09:17,340 --> 00:09:19,360 stimulation of the local economy. 180 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,600 With more people coming, 181 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,520 you're going to have more need for restaurants, 182 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,622 more need for small grocery stores, 183 00:09:25,634 --> 00:09:27,760 and that's going to create stimulation. 184 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:29,580 These mine workers, they will come 185 00:09:29,592 --> 00:09:31,360 and live in these houses again then? 186 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,240 They might if the owners are ready to rent out their house 187 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,200 to the mining community, to the mining workers. 188 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,440 Yes, absolutely. 189 00:09:39,680 --> 00:09:42,000 It's an absolutely gorgeous place to live, anyway. 190 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,800 In my opinion, the nicest viewpoint in the area. 191 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:56,305 Here we see the beautiful valleys, 192 00:09:56,317 --> 00:09:58,680 so where will your pits come? 193 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,080 There are four pits. 194 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,435 The main pit will be in the second 195 00:10:05,447 --> 00:10:08,040 valley down in that direction, 196 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,480 closer to the little village of Romainho, 197 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,320 which is 580 meters from our biggest pit. 198 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,400 Will they see the pit? 199 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,360 They're going to see the pit to some extent, 200 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,440 especially at the top levels of the pit. 201 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,560 They're also going to see some of the waste rock storage 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:26,560 that's going to be there, 203 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,960 but it's going to be quite hidden in the vegetation 204 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,800 and in the structure of the landscape. 205 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:35,680 What's the reaction of the people there? 206 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,400 Some are not very happy. 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,040 This is where the main voices of protest come from, 208 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,960 from Romainho and Covas do Barroso. 209 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,341 When I hear Covas do Barroso, 210 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,177 I think about the resistance I see 211 00:10:47,189 --> 00:10:48,800 in all these newspaper articles. 212 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,920 This is where it comes from, 213 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,000 because people are concerned and people are afraid, 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,040 and that's what makes the work worthwhile. 215 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,360 I want to go and speak to these people. 216 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,440 Do you think they will be willing to speak to me? 217 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:04,135 I'm sure they're going to be willing 218 00:11:04,147 --> 00:11:05,520 to engage and share their views 219 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,283 and their position on this project 220 00:11:07,295 --> 00:11:09,280 because it affects them and it's normal. 221 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,240 Can I expect a friendly encounter? 222 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,320 My experience is that it's always friendly, 223 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,600 if not passionate encounters. 224 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,028 Finnish researcher, Toni Eerola, is 225 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,440 accompanying Jones on this journey. 226 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,560 As a social geologist, 227 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,920 Eerola is investigating local resistance to the mining 228 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:42,200 of energy-transition metals in Europe. 229 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,600 His proficiency in Portuguese proves particularly useful. 230 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,160 We’re making a documentary. 231 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Stop filming! Okay? 232 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,600 If you will use this, I have a recording too. 233 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,640 However, the meeting 234 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,928 with the local opposition highlights 235 00:12:02,940 --> 00:12:05,280 the deep distrust against the project. 236 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,960 I speak portuguese. You can talk to me. 237 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,935 We know exactly what you are doing and 238 00:12:09,947 --> 00:12:11,560 what is the intention of this work. 239 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,560 That's why it's not welcomed. 240 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,440 It's disrespectful to a community that is struggling, 241 00:12:16,560 --> 00:12:21,720 because of a company of thieves and liars. 242 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,240 And you come here to collude with them. 243 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,600 We've already been screwed 244 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,120 a lot of times and we don't accept people like you. 245 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,720 That's why I advise you to leave. 246 00:12:39,391 --> 00:12:42,511 Don’t challenge me or you’re going to get it. 247 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,840 The researchers are prevented from freely engaging 248 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,520 with other local residents in Covas do Barroso, 249 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,240 making it impossible 250 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,381 to accurately gauge public sentiment 251 00:12:54,393 --> 00:12:56,440 regarding the lithium mining project. 252 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,920 What is clear is that the project is highly sensitive, 253 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,837 with some locals feeling that 254 00:13:02,849 --> 00:13:04,800 their livelihoods are under threat. 255 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,840 Tony, I was not expecting this kind of hostility. 256 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,280 How do you explain that? 257 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,805 Yes, I was a little bit surprised also 258 00:13:14,817 --> 00:13:17,920 but anyway, we can expect anything 259 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:19,920 in these kinds of situations. 260 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,520 The emotions were really tough? 261 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,000 Yes, and that happens in activism. 262 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,720 The emotions, they are a part of activism, a strong part of that. 263 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,400 They are really convinced that lithium is a bad thing. 264 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,160 They do not see this as part of a cleantech transition 265 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,520 to climate neutrality? 266 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Yes, it seems to be an absolute view. 267 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,130 The problem is that the mine 268 00:13:47,142 --> 00:13:49,320 would be close to that community, 269 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,909 but then they refuse to recognize 270 00:13:52,921 --> 00:13:55,480 the green energy transition. 271 00:13:55,680 --> 00:13:57,040 They don't believe in that. 272 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,520 There's also a deliberate attempt not to engage with us, 273 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,520 and not to give their opinion? 274 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,640 They spoke a lot with us, but not in front of cameras. 275 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,040 They don't accept it and refuse totally to do that. 276 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:16,240 You see a lack of trust even in scientists like us. 277 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,529 Journalists, government, 278 00:14:19,541 --> 00:14:23,800 researchers, it's kind of systematic. 279 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,320 If they don't trust us, 280 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,000 what about the company that is trying to do this? 281 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:33,440 That's the worst-case scenario for them to trust a company 282 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,480 that intends to mine on their lands. 283 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Do you think the community engagement strategy 284 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,200 of the company can work in such circumstances? 285 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:44,840 Not with these people, probably, 286 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,794 but for the rest of the community, I 287 00:14:47,806 --> 00:14:50,960 think that it's worth trying to do that. 288 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,120 Yes, we have work to do. 289 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,760 In this historic church in Mechelen in Belgium, 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,080 Jones seeks to find common ground between civil society, 291 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,880 academia, public authorities, and the mining industry. 292 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,240 We'll now kick off with the SLO panel event 293 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,480 on responsible mining in Europe. 294 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,820 The responsible mining model aims to 295 00:15:20,832 --> 00:15:23,480 transcend past questionable practices, 296 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,155 focusing on minimizing environmental harm, 297 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,720 ensuring fair labor conditions 298 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,640 and involving local communities as real beneficiaries. 299 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Jones challenges the industry to prove its commitment 300 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,120 to this transformation. 301 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:41,877 This is a major question that 302 00:15:41,889 --> 00:15:44,120 the Serbian opposition is posing. 303 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,640 How can any company that goes 304 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,320 for such a project outside of the European Union 305 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:54,320 take along the very strict ESG standards it has to follow 306 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,040 within the European Union? 307 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,240 However, the Social License to Operate concept 308 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:01,960 also faces criticism. 309 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,997 Here, the protesters highlight the 310 00:16:05,009 --> 00:16:07,280 right to say no and stay silent, 311 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:08,824 letting their banners about 312 00:16:08,836 --> 00:16:10,640 Portugal and Serbia do the talking. 313 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,680 It's a paradox. 314 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,416 Civil society grapples with the challenge 315 00:16:17,428 --> 00:16:19,440 of balancing local community rights 316 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,240 and environmental preservation with the need to mine metals, 317 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,445 which are essential for the transition 318 00:16:25,457 --> 00:16:27,040 to a climate-neutral economy. 319 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,760 However, not all environmental organizations 320 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,240 are opposed to metal mining. 321 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,600 That's a topic addressed by Julia Poliscanova, 322 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,840 a prominent figure at Transport and Environment. 323 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,040 There you go. 324 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,840 It's a coalition of over 60 environmental NGOs 325 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:49,920 across Europe. 326 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,430 While she acknowledges the concerns 327 00:16:52,442 --> 00:16:54,400 surrounding the global mining industry, 328 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,876 she also recognizes the necessity 329 00:16:56,888 --> 00:16:58,600 of lithium mining in Europe. 330 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 You can have different kinds of environmentalism, right? 331 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,490 You have organizations that are 332 00:17:04,502 --> 00:17:06,560 anti and that operate by protest, 333 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,008 and you have environmental 334 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:09,920 organizations that rely on evidence, 335 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,800 for example, we as T&E, but also rely very much on engaging. 336 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,880 We engage with politicians, we engage with companies 337 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,360 to raise the standards of mining but understand, 338 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,631 and we understand that we still will 339 00:17:22,643 --> 00:17:24,520 need a lot more critical minerals 340 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,520 for technologies like batteries and wind turbines. 341 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,200 You're trying to be constructive in your environmentalism. 342 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,720 We are constructive in the way we approach things, 343 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,360 but not scared to call companies out. 344 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,640 When something's not done right, we say so. 345 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,920 However, we understand that only by working together 346 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,080 can we build this resilient supply chain in Europe. 347 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,517 Still, many environmental activists 348 00:17:46,529 --> 00:17:48,880 simply don't trust these mining companies. 349 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:50,968 They don't trust them, and sometimes 350 00:17:50,980 --> 00:17:52,720 they also have a good reason not to. 351 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:57,040 Historically, we have a lot of evidence of corruption, 352 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,800 of mismanagement, dirty rivers, dangerous chemicals, et cetera. 353 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,160 There's also a responsibility for the mining companies 354 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,520 to break with the past and do things differently. 355 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:11,009 Before we delve into the necessary 356 00:18:11,021 --> 00:18:12,760 changes in the mining industry, 357 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:16,480 we should also reflect on our choices as consumers. 358 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,240 Do we really need to buy an oversized electric SUV 359 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,320 every four years? 360 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,440 Perhaps it's time to rethink our economic model, 361 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:28,880 one that promotes circularity through ecodesign, 362 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,880 thereby reducing our dependence on mining. 363 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Instead of mining more lithium, we just need to consume less. 364 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,880 Whether we all use electric cars or we go by electric bus 365 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,200 or even by train, we will still need critical minerals. 366 00:18:45,327 --> 00:18:47,847 We'll need them for steel to make your rail tracks. 367 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,320 for example, or lithium to build that bigger battery for a bus. 368 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,600 We will still need a lot of those minerals, 369 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,520 but how much more depends on the various choices that we make. 370 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,400 T&E has always been in favor of a modal shift, 371 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,320 so how far can that take us? 372 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,000 We have looked at it a lot as T&E. 373 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,720 We see that, for example, 374 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,920 if more people took a smaller electric vehicle 375 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,520 as opposed to a large SUV, 376 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:16,600 we would need to mine a quarter less cumulatively 377 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,000 of lithium and nickel by 2050. 378 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,880 That's a lot of mines we don't have to build. 379 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:23,994 This primary demand can be 380 00:19:24,006 --> 00:19:26,120 further reduced by recycling more? 381 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,800 Recycling or broader circularity is also critical. 382 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,400 Generally, I hope that we in the world move away 383 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,233 from this linear kind of 384 00:19:35,245 --> 00:19:37,720 extractive model that we have today 385 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,360 and go to a more circular loop. 386 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,520 We mine lithium and nickel once, 387 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:43,559 but then we can constantly recycle it 388 00:19:43,571 --> 00:19:45,400 in a loop to produce new batteries. 389 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,640 How far can we jump today with recycled lithium? 390 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,560 One of the key players is Umicore. 391 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,120 This multinational corporation, headquartered in Belgium, 392 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:57,989 has developed an innovative new 393 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:00,078 technique for recycling batteries. 394 00:20:02,120 --> 00:20:05,160 Something very special is going to happen today, I understand. 395 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,600 Yes, it's the very first time we're ever allowing a film crew 396 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,080 inside the battery smelter. 397 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,040 Is it because it's a secret process? 398 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:14,800 It's unique, and it's a wonderful process. 399 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,800 However, it remains a pilot plant today 400 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,040 as the volumes are insufficient to be profitable. 401 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,280 Here we can say a final goodbye to the battery. 402 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,520 It's the funeral of the batteries. 403 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Yes, it's the end of their productive life, 404 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,640 but it's the start of a new life. 405 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,000 Which type of batteries go into the smelter? 406 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,880 We can take a high variety of batteries. 407 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,280 We take batteries from the early-generation EVs 408 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:46,480 that are now becoming end of life, not used anymore. 409 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,480 We also take quite a bit of cells 410 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,920 that have quality issues during manufacturing. 411 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:54,240 This is a proper industrial pilot. 412 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:56,120 How much feed do you need 413 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,799 to have a really commercially-viable 414 00:20:58,811 --> 00:21:00,200 industrial factory? 415 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,640 We operate at a capacity of 7,000 tons per year, 416 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,920 which is equivalent to roughly 20,000 EV batteries. 417 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,280 Our ambition is to scale up with capacities 418 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,000 that are 10 or 20 times bigger. 419 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,080 When will those volumes be available? 420 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:21,120 We believe that in the next decade, in the 2030s 421 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,000 that the end-of-life market will pick up 422 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,200 and we have a role to play with such an installation. 423 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,503 What's very important is that the 424 00:21:30,515 --> 00:21:32,240 volumes that will be on the market 425 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:35,040 then will also be available to us as recyclers 426 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,914 because today a majority of 427 00:21:36,926 --> 00:21:38,800 these volumes are leaving Europe. 428 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,440 You're saying that they are leaving Europe? 429 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,720 They are leaving Europe 430 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,840 because Asian players are much more competitive to take them, 431 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,960 and Europe still needs to invest 432 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,600 in higher-capacity installations with lower costs. 433 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:56,120 People are hesitating to put on these investments 434 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,640 because we lack a clear, coherent policy to support them. 435 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,560 The European Union still has a lot of work to do. 436 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,920 We're appealing very strongly to policymakers in Europe 437 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:08,440 to make it happen, 438 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:13,240 and not just in a few years from now, the time to act is now. 439 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,270 It's time to visit the smelter with 440 00:22:17,282 --> 00:22:19,400 a camera crew and a flying drone, 441 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:21,960 the first time ever. 442 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,600 What are we seeing here now? What's happening? 443 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,520 When the batteries touch the molten bath inside this furnace, 444 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,520 something truly magical happens. 445 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,160 In a matter of seconds, 446 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,558 the critical raw materials, lithium, 447 00:22:36,570 --> 00:22:38,240 nickel, cobalt are liberated 448 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,760 from their original compounds, 449 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,572 and they're pushed into separate, 450 00:22:41,584 --> 00:22:43,200 high quality products, actually. 451 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,720 Nickel, cobalt will be collected in the alloy, 452 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,000 which is now tapped into the pot. 453 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,720 Then lithium is pushed into the gaseous state 454 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,578 and we capture it as a salt basically 455 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:57,840 in the flue dust off-gas system. 456 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,000 What are the main advantages here, then? 457 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,400 The main advantages are that it's safe by design. 458 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,440 We don't need to open up any battery. 459 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,840 It's super efficient, high yield of the critical raw materials, 460 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280 and it's most sustainable. 461 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Low carbon footprint, less waste, less chemicals. 462 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,798 Is this a really world-unique process? 463 00:23:18,810 --> 00:23:19,720 Absolutely. 464 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,880 This is a process that's invented 465 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,440 and developed here in the center of Europe. 466 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,520 Do you think the Chinese want to copy this process? 467 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:29,840 We know that they want to copy it. 468 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,680 They are very interested to learn about this technology. 469 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,400 We have Chinese customers as well, 470 00:23:35,412 --> 00:23:37,200 so we're in touch with them, anyway. 471 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,360 All great news, but in China, 472 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320 new, more affordable types of batteries are emerging. 473 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,280 The so-called LFP batteries or lithium-iron-phosphate, 474 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,960 which do not contain cobalt or nickel. 475 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,920 If this battery becomes the new standard, 476 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,080 current recycling technologies could face significant pressure. 477 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,520 - Oh, here we have it. - Yes. 478 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,080 Look at this, this is the white gold. 479 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,930 This is industrially produced 480 00:24:09,942 --> 00:24:12,600 Technical-grade lithium carbonate. 481 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 It's fully recycled. 482 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,320 Fully from spent batteries. 483 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:18,840 Is that a solution for our lithium supply? 484 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:22,520 We will need mining for the foreseeable future, 485 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,600 but recycling is a key addition, a key strategic component 486 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,640 for Europe to be more independent and more sustainable 487 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,640 for its future mobility. 488 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,120 So, you can't recycle your way out of the fossil-fuel economy? 489 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,600 You have to first produce them and then recycle them. 490 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Even with a major modal shift in transportation 491 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,000 and a significant boost in lithium-ion battery recycling, 492 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,240 some primary lithium mining will still be necessary 493 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:56,600 to achieve a climate-neutral economy. 494 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,800 This aligns with the EU's Critical Raw Materials Act, 495 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,040 which sets ambitious targets. 496 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,960 At least 10 percent of lithium is sourced from domestic mining, 497 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,322 40 percent refined within the EU, 498 00:25:10,334 --> 00:25:14,052 and 25 percent recycled domestically. 499 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,147 In the European Parliament, 500 00:25:17,172 --> 00:25:20,640 Jones meets German MEP Hildegard Bentele, 501 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,440 who has played a pivotal role in shaping 502 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,200 and refining the Critical Raw Materials Act, 503 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,120 where lithium remains a central focus. 504 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,560 How important is the lithium supply chain for Europe? 505 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,680 It is very important 506 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,313 because we are super dependent currently 507 00:25:38,325 --> 00:25:40,480 from one supplier, which is China. 508 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,606 We have to face the situation that 509 00:25:43,618 --> 00:25:45,520 the supply chain is interrupted. 510 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,436 China could hit us hard by stopping 511 00:25:48,448 --> 00:25:50,600 lithium imports from China. 512 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,640 We want to prepare for this situation. 513 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,400 That means domestic mining and refining in Europe. 514 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,373 So that we have a current inflow of 515 00:25:59,385 --> 00:26:02,080 potential battery production in Europe. 516 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800 Still, there is so much opposition. 517 00:26:04,976 --> 00:26:07,751 There's a lot of hypocrisy in it because 518 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,055 if they saw the conditions under which 519 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480 lithium is mined in China or in other places in the world, 520 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,680 the standards are much lower. 521 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:22,680 Actually, they are blocking high-standard lithium mining. 522 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,997 For the purpose, what they want, 523 00:26:25,009 --> 00:26:27,360 which is to have cleaner transport, 524 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,560 a cleaner environment. 525 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,000 This is what we are aiming for. 526 00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,800 They also do not see that we have high tech in mining. 527 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,058 Jones witnessed first-hand how mining 528 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960 Jones witnessed first-hand how mining 529 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,160 in the Nordic countries is conducted more responsibly, 530 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,400 and has evolved into a highly advanced industry, 531 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,880 featuring electric trucks and autonomous vehicles 532 00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,080 powered by green electricity. 533 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,400 Moreover, mining at depths 534 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,240 beyond 1,000 meters underground bears little resemblance 535 00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,240 to the hazardous and polluting coal mining of the past. 536 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,640 What's happening here? 537 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,733 The sector has undergone a 538 00:27:03,745 --> 00:27:06,160 remarkable digital transformation. 539 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,400 This is where we load 540 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,960 and work with the hydraulic stone knockers using joysticks, 541 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,280 Xbox and PlayStation controllers. 542 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,728 PlayStation at 1,400 meters depth? 543 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:20,520 Yes. 544 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Perhaps this explains 545 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480 why the Keliber lithium mining and refining project 546 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,770 in the Kaustinen region in Finland 547 00:27:27,782 --> 00:27:29,560 faces so little opposition. 548 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240 The company plans to begin mining in 2026. 549 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,920 A similar situation exists in central France, 550 00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,240 where Imerys aims to expand its existing kaolinite mine 551 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,600 into an underground lepidolite lithium operation. 552 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,760 Opposition to this project remains minimal. 553 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,035 Both of these projects were granted 554 00:27:51,047 --> 00:27:52,600 the Strategic Project status 555 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,600 by the EU in March 2025. 556 00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,280 Despite the protests, the Mina do Barroso project in Portugal 557 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,400 has also been labelled a Strategic Project. 558 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,400 We are seeing a lot of deindustrialization in Europe. 559 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Can this lithium supply chain counteract that? 560 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Yes, it can, because we have seen that the mining sector, 561 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,080 which was in decline, 562 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,414 with these kind of projects, can be revived 563 00:28:19,426 --> 00:28:22,040 and can be made into a new ecosystem. 564 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,684 It's not only mining, it's processing, 565 00:28:24,696 --> 00:28:26,680 it's refining, it's recycling. 566 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,160 We have the chance to establish a completely new ecosystem, 567 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,600 which is future-proven, but if we do not act now to revive it, 568 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,231 soon, it will really be in decline 569 00:28:38,243 --> 00:28:40,200 and will go away from Europe. 570 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,501 The European Union is expanding its search 571 00:28:44,513 --> 00:28:47,000 for lithium outside of its own borders. 572 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,200 It has signed a strategic partnership with Serbia, 573 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,200 home to Europe's largest and most valuable lithium deposit, 574 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,775 a resource capable of supplying 575 00:28:56,787 --> 00:28:59,520 batteries for one million electric cars 576 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,120 or 200,000 electric buses annually. 577 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120 However, the planned lithium mine 578 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,720 in Serbia's fertile Jadar Valley has sparked massive protests. 579 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,390 What started as local opposition 580 00:29:13,402 --> 00:29:16,240 rapidly grew into a nationwide movement. 581 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,480 Shifting from Not In My Backyard to Not In My Country. 582 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,760 Rio Tinto, get out of Serbia! 583 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040 Get out of Serbia! 584 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,080 The contested British Australian mining company, Rio Tinto, 585 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200 which intends to invest 2.3 billion Euros 586 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,720 in this major underground lithium operation, 587 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800 is facing unprecedented resistance. 588 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,520 The ore found in the region, known as jadarite, 589 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,600 was officially classified as a new mineral in 2004. 590 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,685 It's here, we see examples of 591 00:29:49,697 --> 00:29:51,600 the drill cores and the jadarite. 592 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,320 If you look at this core, 593 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600 the white dots that you see here are the jadarite. 594 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280 Compared to other lithium ores present in Europe, 595 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,320 such as spodumene in Portugal, Spain, and Finland, 596 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,160 lepidolite in France, 597 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,120 or zinnwaldite in Germany and the Czech Republic, 598 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,080 jadarite is easier to process. 599 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,692 It does not require energy-intensive 600 00:30:14,704 --> 00:30:16,080 thermal pretreatment 601 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520 or extremely harsh chemical conditions. 602 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840 From a purely environmental perspective, 603 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,360 jadarite processing would not pose more but fewer risks, 604 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520 according to metallurgical experts. 605 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,320 Here we see the valley. 606 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,240 The now-famous Jadar Valley. 607 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,400 From here, you can see where we intend, if everything goes well, 608 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400 to build the Jadar project. 609 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,560 If you look at that line and maybe I can explain it here, 610 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,351 we are talking about a surface area 611 00:30:47,376 --> 00:30:50,440 of 220 hectares above ground. 612 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,240 - No, that's not big. - It's not big? 613 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,760 If you think about, for example, 614 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720 the Kolubara mine in another part of Serbia, 615 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,640 which is an open-pit mine, that's 60,000 hectares. 616 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,120 - You must be joking. - No. 617 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,738 That's just the footprint you see on top. 618 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,495 Yes. 619 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880 That's the benefit you get from an underground mine. 620 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,526 If you look at this picture, 621 00:31:07,538 --> 00:31:09,680 imagine that this is that area here. 622 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760 The mine is underground, you don't see it, you see only... 623 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,920 - It's an invisible mine. - Yes, exactly. 624 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840 It's an invisible mine, which is completely underground. 625 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,720 Everything around the mine remains the same. 626 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,391 It is a very modern mine that will 627 00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:25,480 be operated from a control room. 628 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400 Everything will be controlled electronically. 629 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,160 When you think about Jadar, 630 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,440 the area that maybe people will see from this point, 631 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,480 if Jadar is built, is rather small. 632 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,760 Everything around the area and around the fence 633 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,480 will continue to be the way it is 634 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,977 because we will make sure that the 635 00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:46,280 farming exists exactly the same. 636 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,960 There is no land subsidence. 637 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840 Still, there are so many protests. 638 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,200 Yes, there are protests. 639 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,080 Unfortunately, the narrative has been based on disinformation, 640 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,066 and what we are struggling with is 641 00:31:58,078 --> 00:32:00,160 actually to see a fact-based dialogue 642 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,840 and discussion about the merits of this project. 643 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160 During the interview, members of the local resistance group, 644 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720 Ne Damo Jadar keep passing by, 645 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,214 filming the Serbian head of Rio Tinto 646 00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:17,240 while making their feelings clear. 647 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,560 You are wasting your time it is useless what you are doing. 648 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,520 There is nothing for you here, this is our living space. 649 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360 We will defend this with our lives. 650 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360 If you want blood to flow, you can get it. 651 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,600 Why are these local farmers 652 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,320 so vehemently opposed to the Jadar project? 653 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,320 Ne Damo Jadar, meaning we Won't Give Up Jadar, 654 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,040 is unwavering in its resistance against Rio Tinto, 655 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920 and it's clear that they will not back down. 656 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,028 What is your main concern with 657 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,440 this lithium project by Rio Tinto? 658 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,320 There is no concern, there will be no mine. 659 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,240 Our job is to gather as many people as possible 660 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,488 to bring 200,000 people out in the 661 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,720 streets and they will have to leave. 662 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,560 The president wants the mining project to happen. 663 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640 The president wants the mine to be opened 664 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,680 because he is the key lobbyist for Rio Tinto. 665 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,509 Are you afraid of environmental 666 00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:21,520 pollution? Is that the main cause? 667 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600 If the mine comes, there would be no life here. 668 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,766 Isn't it sad that you have these huge 669 00:33:28,778 --> 00:33:31,520 lithium resources in this country, 670 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,480 and you can't use them to become rich in this country? 671 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720 Europe would get rich. 672 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,960 They would get lithium batteries and a healthy environment. 673 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,560 They would be the ones driving around in the electric vehicles, 674 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,240 and Serbia would become Europe’s landfill, 675 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840 and we would suffer from various diseases like cancer. 676 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,799 It's striking to see the lengths to 677 00:33:59,811 --> 00:34:02,440 which Ne Damo Jadar is prepared to go 678 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,040 to halt the lithium mine. 679 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,346 We are ready to sacrifice our lives 680 00:34:09,358 --> 00:34:12,520 in the fight against Rio Tinto. 681 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,960 What do you mean by sacrificing your own life? 682 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,800 We will lie down in front of the excavators. 683 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,040 We will burn them and do whatever it takes. 684 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,200 Rio Tinto get out of Serbia. 685 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720 In Serbia, the local protest 686 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,920 by Ne Damo Jadar has grown into a massive national movement, 687 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,860 attracting a diverse array of 688 00:34:32,872 --> 00:34:35,120 opponents against the mining project. 689 00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,247 Is it possible that behind these 690 00:34:37,259 --> 00:34:39,720 doors people sit who are only focused 691 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920 on their mandate? 692 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,840 The opposition is remarkably diverse. 693 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,588 Local farmers, urban 694 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480 environmentalists, Belgrade scientists 695 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,520 and Serbian nationalists all united against the project. 696 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,105 In Belgrade, Jones meets 697 00:34:57,117 --> 00:34:59,680 anthropologist Jelena Vasiljevic, 698 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,600 who may shed some light on why so many Serbs oppose the mine. 699 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,790 How do you explain these complex, 700 00:35:07,802 --> 00:35:10,480 massive protests here in Belgrade? 701 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,120 Part of it is that it's against the mining of lithium. 702 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,760 Part of it has to do with that and with different arguments 703 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120 about why the Jadar project is complicated. 704 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,800 The complex part of it has to do with the dissatisfaction 705 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,040 with this political regime 706 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,840 and how this whole process has been conducted 707 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000 in non-transparent and non-democratic ways. 708 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,840 Many grievances are actually being articulated 709 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,960 in this protest. 710 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,800 The lack of trust in the government here is very loud. 711 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,960 It's very clear. 712 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,440 Where is it coming from? 713 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,320 We also have bad experiences with previous projects. 714 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,737 We had many other projects that 715 00:35:46,749 --> 00:35:48,360 were declared of national interest, 716 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,320 and they were all conducted 717 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720 in non-transparent and non-democratic ways. 718 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,320 If Rio Tinto were a Serbian company, 719 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000 do you think the project would have been okay? 720 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920 Partially it has to do with the bad history of Rio Tinto. 721 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560 That is true, it's not only about the economy. 722 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120 It's not only about how you use sustainable raw materials. 723 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600 It's what you politically do with it. 724 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,330 This is why people are distrustful 725 00:36:14,342 --> 00:36:16,520 and I would say they are right. 726 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,480 Anthropologist Jelena Vasiljevic attributes the growing unrest 727 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,720 to the current regime, 728 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640 which, according to her and many protesters, 729 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840 is sliding towards autocracy under President Vučić. 730 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,899 This is evident in the harsh 731 00:36:32,911 --> 00:36:35,120 suppression of protests in Belgrade 732 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520 and the unlawful arrests of many activists. 733 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,560 The movement continues to gain momentum 734 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,120 with the support of thousands of Serbian students. 735 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,640 The Jadar lithium project has become deeply intertwined 736 00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,880 with the political opposition to Vučić. 737 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560 Should there be a referendum on this project? 738 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,120 No, a referendum, I don't think it's a good idea 739 00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,455 because a referendum is always 740 00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:01,240 dependent on how you frame the question. 741 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200 Then you get the Brexit discussions. 742 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320 Not only that, the political climate then takes a lot. 743 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,680 The political climate is important 744 00:37:07,768 --> 00:37:09,728 and you also have to have an informed public. 745 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,119 How can you have a referendum 746 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,440 when citizens aren't informed enough? 747 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,040 Now they're staging something that looks like an open debate, 748 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880 even though we know that everything is already done. 749 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520 We needed to be more prepared for that. 750 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,560 Is the deep distrust in Rio Tinto's lithium project 751 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,480 based on genuine concerns, 752 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,377 or is it also fuelled by disinformation, 753 00:37:32,389 --> 00:37:34,960 allegedly spread to serve political goals 754 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,680 such as ousting President Vučić's autocratic regime? 755 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960 Rio Tinto claims that fake news plays a significant role. 756 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,293 At their information center in Loznica, 757 00:37:47,305 --> 00:37:49,760 they've even set up a fake-news wall. 758 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520 You see a lot of photos of open-pit mines. 759 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,390 We know this is an underground mine, 760 00:37:55,402 --> 00:37:56,960 and it will not look like that. 761 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,800 You see the explosions, which are connected to the open pits, 762 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,320 and how people are scared. 763 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,080 Here you have information 764 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,909 that we will use sulphuric acid 765 00:38:05,921 --> 00:38:07,920 at 250 degrees, which is not true. 766 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,120 We're using it at 90 degrees as anyone can see 767 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,480 from the information publicly available. 768 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,080 That we will destroy the water sources for 85 million people, 769 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600 which is underground in Jadar. 770 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,520 It is very easy to say something like you will burn the skin 771 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200 and lungs of people because you will have sulfuric rains, 772 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,000 which is completely not true, but explaining the technology 773 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,240 and how you use the sulfuric acid takes time. 774 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000 It's easy to throw the mud at someone, 775 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920 but it's difficult to clean the shirt again. 776 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960 It takes much longer, it's the Second Law of Thermodynamics. 777 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,320 What do you then do about this? What is your strategy? 778 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,400 The first thing is that we plan community meetings 779 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400 to meet with the community face-to-face. 780 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,600 We've met more than 3,000 people so far in the past year, 781 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,520 and we've committed to radical transparency. 782 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120 That is, we put all the information on our web page, 783 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,520 respond to all media inquiries, and 784 00:39:00,532 --> 00:39:02,800 rebut everything that's fake news. 785 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,280 Misinformation, disinformation, 786 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,638 and the lack of trust are also issues 787 00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:13,000 Savannah claims to be struggling with. 788 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000 In Portugal, lithium is often perceived as toxic 789 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120 despite ongoing lithium mining in the region, 790 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,120 albeit not for battery production. 791 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,720 Okay, so this is the NOA pit, 792 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,561 which is currently being operated 793 00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:34,360 for the purpose of extracting lithium 794 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,600 and quartz and feldspar for the ceramics industry right now. 795 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000 Basically, there is already lithium mining. 796 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200 Exactly, there is lithium mining happening right in front of us. 797 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560 Why do people think it's toxic, then? 798 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,840 It's issues of perception. 799 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000 It's issues of perception because people don't understand 800 00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,440 what lithium is. 801 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,597 They don't understand how it's transformed 802 00:39:58,609 --> 00:40:00,640 to become a battery, for example. 803 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,440 They're very much unaware 804 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,421 of the fact that they're in contact 805 00:40:04,433 --> 00:40:06,080 with lithium on a daily basis. 806 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,120 If we look at a ceramic cup, people drink coffee, 807 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,880 every day they put lithium to their lips. 808 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,551 The rock that's used to make this 809 00:40:17,563 --> 00:40:19,920 ceramic could have come from this mine. 810 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560 That's one of the major challenges that we have 811 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,480 in our engagement with the community. 812 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,200 It's trying to clarify any misunderstandings, 813 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,280 using facts in order to explain exactly what you just said. 814 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,835 There's already lithium being mined 815 00:40:35,847 --> 00:40:38,320 here and in other parts of Portugal, 816 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360 and it's not different from what we're going to be doing, 817 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040 except we're going to be doing it at a larger scale. 818 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,320 Fighting feelings with facts is not an easy method. 819 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,880 It's not easy. 820 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,677 As long as we keep giving facts and 821 00:40:52,689 --> 00:40:54,960 we build trust with the communities, 822 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,933 those feelings are going to 823 00:40:56,945 --> 00:40:59,000 become feelings of understanding, 824 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,440 acknowledgment, and hopefully acceptance one day. 825 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,475 Building trust with local communities 826 00:41:07,487 --> 00:41:09,480 remains a significant challenge 827 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560 in Portugal. 828 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,165 In Dornelas, another nearby civil parish 829 00:41:13,177 --> 00:41:15,400 where the mine is set to be developed, 830 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,560 residents can speak more freely than in Covas do Barroso, 831 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200 allowing Jones to hear a wider range of perspectives. 832 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,920 Do you think this project is an opportunity for the villages? 833 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,691 I am not against it, I can't see that 834 00:41:30,703 --> 00:41:34,040 it would bring something bad here. 835 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,240 When things come here we're probably already gone. 836 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,320 Okay, thanks. 837 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,042 It will affect the life in the villages, 838 00:41:44,054 --> 00:41:45,920 and it will have impact on our water. 839 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,320 They will probably need our water. 840 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840 We are trying to minimize the water use. 841 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,600 This is what we are doing for our food, animals, everything. 842 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,372 What is the opinion here in Dornelas, 843 00:42:01,384 --> 00:42:03,560 is the majority for or against? 844 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,037 It varies, there are people 845 00:42:05,049 --> 00:42:06,720 against and in favor of the mine, 846 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,788 but I think that here in 847 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680 Dornelas, and the Dornelas parish, 848 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,461 there is a part which is in favor of 849 00:42:14,473 --> 00:42:16,800 it, and the majority is in favor of it. 850 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,934 I don't know about the rest of the 851 00:42:18,946 --> 00:42:21,320 people because many are also against it. 852 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,040 We live in a region with a rich mining past. 853 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,160 What are your major concerns about this project? 854 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,400 My major concerns are with water tables. 855 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,800 That concerns me a lot. 856 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,400 - Water? - Yes. 857 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,080 In southern European countries like Portugal, 858 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,440 water usage is a major concern. 859 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,240 With frequent forest fires, 860 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520 locals worry if there will be enough water left 861 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,680 for agriculture. 862 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,920 One of the main concerns I hear all the time 863 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,185 is that you're going to use so much water, 864 00:42:56,197 --> 00:42:58,240 and this region doesn't have any water. 865 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,800 Actually this region has a lot of water. 866 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,520 It rains a lot in this region, 867 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,668 and rain is where we're going to be 868 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560 collecting our water for this mine. 869 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,760 We won't collect water from the river, 870 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,194 and we're not going to be ejecting 871 00:43:11,206 --> 00:43:13,440 any kind of water into the river. 872 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,537 We're going to be using rainwater 873 00:43:16,549 --> 00:43:18,120 through water retention systems 874 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,520 over here, over here, and over here, to collect the rainwater, 875 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,120 which will be used to supply the mine. 876 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640 Will you then recycle the water once it's in the system? 877 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,360 Absolutely, it's going to be working in a closed circuit 878 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,505 where 85 percent of the water used will 879 00:43:34,517 --> 00:43:37,440 be recycled and reused into the mine. 880 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,560 Why are you losing 15 percent then? 881 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,560 15 percent is lost through evaporation, 882 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,160 and is also lost through the humidity of the material 883 00:43:47,318 --> 00:43:49,078 that's transported out of the mine. 884 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,240 With the urgent need to mitigate climate change, 885 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,526 the mining industry has been given 886 00:43:56,538 --> 00:43:58,440 a crucial role in human history. 887 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,000 However, to avoid repeating past mistakes, 888 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,957 continuous dialogue with local communities 889 00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:08,000 and civil society is essential. 890 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,720 A future mine? 891 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,640 No, thank you! 892 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,160 In the Barroso region, 893 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,040 such a dialogue has been challenging so far, 894 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,360 but things are starting to change. 895 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600 Early 2025, a new association, 896 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,000 Associação Futuro do Barroso has been founded. 897 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520 This association, which also includes members 898 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,920 from the Covas do Barroso village itself, 899 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,600 does not take a position for or against the project. 900 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,400 Instead, the organization is dedicated to fostering dialogue 901 00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,901 and collaborative solutions towards 902 00:44:42,913 --> 00:44:44,840 a responsible mining project. 903 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,320 We know and are aware 904 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,600 that lithium mining will bring some difficulties 905 00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,360 and problems to the municipality. But we must know 906 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,046 how to transfer these difficulties into 907 00:45:01,136 --> 00:45:03,558 great opportunities for development. 908 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,840 In Serbia, skepticism and distrust still prevail. 909 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,597 However, there may be a solution to 910 00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:16,920 overcoming Serbia's lithium paradox. 911 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000 In countries where trust in the government is low, 912 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,320 involving a third-party auditor could be a crucial step forward. 913 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,160 I believe they already do so 914 00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,440 because I think if you do want to produce any of your reports 915 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,480 for environmental impact assessment, for example, 916 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,720 you need to have third-party assessments. 917 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,640 I do think it would be very helpful to engage with IRMA, 918 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080 the Initiative for Responsible Mining Assurance, 919 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,880 and to undergo a self-audit. 920 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,800 Following that, a proper audit 921 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,600 because it would really show to the global NGO community, 922 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,360 first of all, transparently, how they're doing things 923 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,120 and secondly, that they are trying to do things better. 924 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,095 IRMA has developed comprehensive 925 00:45:58,107 --> 00:46:00,280 standards for responsible mining. 926 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,667 These standards address key 927 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,960 areas such as business integrity, 928 00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,760 environmental stewardship, social responsibility, 929 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,520 and community engagement. 930 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,055 They were created in collaboration 931 00:46:13,067 --> 00:46:14,920 with civil society organizations, 932 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,920 workers, environmental groups and industry experts. 933 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,040 IRMA could build up trust in that way? 934 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,320 IRMA can help with the global community 935 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,128 to show that their intentions 936 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:30,240 are going in the right direction. 937 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,280 If the EU wants to evolve to mining practices 938 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,680 that are genuinely supported by the public, 939 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,600 IRMA could serve as a key source of inspiration for an improved 940 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,840 rather than weakened legislative framework for mining in Europe. 941 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,440 For Professor Lima from the University of Porto, 942 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,160 the situation is clear. 943 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,680 Mining could give Portugal and Europe a well-needed boost 944 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,160 in a rapidly changing geopolitical world. 945 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,880 He hopes NIMBY can be gradually replaced by PIMBY, 946 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,920 from Not In My Backyard to Please In My Backyard. 947 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,720 To mine or not to mine, 948 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,280 that is now the question for the Portuguese people. 949 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,440 As you said, yes, we have the best resources in spodumene, 950 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,842 and spodumene is being mined for 951 00:47:25,854 --> 00:47:28,480 50 years for the lithium industry. 952 00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120 - It's proven technology. - It's a proven technology. 953 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,680 It's something that works, really, 954 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,468 and it's an opportunity for Portugal 955 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,120 to take advantage of these resources 956 00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,653 to try to do the lithium value 957 00:47:42,665 --> 00:47:46,240 chain from mining to the refinery 958 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,040 and then we have a very nice automobile industry in Portugal. 959 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,280 Lithium has the power 960 00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,600 to bring the Portuguese back to this country. 961 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,000 These villages that we were seeing, 962 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,600 when I started to work here, they had many more people. 963 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,400 Their population is now decreasing. 964 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,800 I see this not as a threat, but as an opportunity 965 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,956 to bring some people to these 966 00:48:11,968 --> 00:48:14,560 areas, to live here with families, 967 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,560 to work here in industry. 968 00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,720 It's an opportunity. 969 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,822 Portugal is now at a crossroads, 970 00:48:20,834 --> 00:48:23,000 you go either left or you go right. 971 00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,640 Do you think it will happen? 972 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,800 I believe that in some of the places it will happen 973 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,120 because the people will understand 974 00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:35,920 that the advantages are more than the disadvantages. 975 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,593 Of course, mining has disadvantages, 976 00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:41,240 but it can bring a lot of advantages. 977 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,400 It's what we need to communicate to local people. 978 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,316 With the EU backing multiple 979 00:48:48,328 --> 00:48:50,600 strategic lithium mining projects, 980 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,191 Europe seems to mean business but 981 00:48:53,203 --> 00:48:55,800 mining alone won't solve the problem. 982 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,480 Without refining capacity, 983 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,920 Europe remains dependent on third countries like China. 984 00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,040 Right now lithium refining is almost non-existent 985 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,320 across the continent, but things are changing. 986 00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,040 Germany has recently opened a small semi-refinery, 987 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,040 while the Finnish company, Metso, 988 00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880 is developing innovative, cleaner technologies 989 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040 to refine lithium from spodumene. 990 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520 Here we have the spodumene, 991 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,200 a heat-treated spodumene sample from Finland. 992 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,720 It could be the same as the Portuguese material. 993 00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,920 Yes, absolutely. 994 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,937 This offers an 995 00:49:30,949 --> 00:49:33,200 environmentally-friendly alternative 996 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960 to China's dominant lithium processing method. 997 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,320 Is it unique for Europe or for the world? 998 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,960 Yes, in many ways. 999 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600 I would say that this is Europe's best pilot plant. 1000 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,258 Probably the best pilot plant. 1001 00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:51,120 Probably the best pilot plant, yes. 1002 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,520 It's still a pilot plant, 1003 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,480 but the potential of this technology is immense, 1004 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,080 and the timing couldn't be more crucial with China's grip 1005 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,785 on global lithium refining 1006 00:50:01,797 --> 00:50:04,000 showing no signs of slowing down. 1007 00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,520 Here we see your pilot reactor, how big will the real stuff be? 1008 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360 It will be about 1,000 times bigger. 1009 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,120 - A thousand times bigger. - Yes. 1010 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,517 What makes this process so superior 1011 00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:18,840 to the conventional Chinese process? 1012 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,320 There are actually two things, it's the waste generation. 1013 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,120 Generally, it's very low and then water consumption is low 1014 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,880 because we are recycling all the water in the process. 1015 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,080 Is this then the European way to solve the problems? 1016 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,440 Absolutely. 1017 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,423 This is a game-changing technology 1018 00:50:36,435 --> 00:50:38,240 in lithium hydroxide production. 1019 00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,485 Since we are not producing any 1020 00:50:40,497 --> 00:50:43,400 harmful waste, it can be all recycled. 1021 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,200 We are not producing sodium sulfate, 1022 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,600 which is the issue with the conventional processing. 1023 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960 Then we also recycle all the water. 1024 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,054 Practically all the water that we put 1025 00:50:53,066 --> 00:50:55,080 in the process is purified and recycled. 1026 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,840 Here in this new lithium refining process, 1027 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680 they found the holy grail-type of solution. 1028 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,200 Rather than using sulfuric acid as a leaching agent, 1029 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,720 which generates the sodium sulfate waste stream, 1030 00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,600 they work with a very simple product called soda ash. 1031 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,720 This soda ash allows you 1032 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720 to get the lithium out of the spodumene concentrate 1033 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,840 and provides you with a very clean process, 1034 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,000 which is almost zero waste. 1035 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,125 That's a huge step forward for 1036 00:51:25,137 --> 00:51:27,400 lithium refining in the Western world. 1037 00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,240 This is the white gold coming out of your process? 1038 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,948 Yes, this is the lithium product that 1039 00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,600 can be used now in electric vehicles. 1040 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,520 This is coming out of your pilot plant. 1041 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,238 When will we see the real stuff 1042 00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:42,120 coming out of an industrial plant? 1043 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,700 Yes, there is a Keliber project which 1044 00:51:44,712 --> 00:51:46,960 is under construction in Finland, 1045 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,520 and it will start up in mid-2025. 1046 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,800 That would be the first lithium battery-grade quality 1047 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,000 we can produce in Europe. 1048 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,438 Yes, that's correct. 1049 00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:59,320 In Europe, we definitely need refineries. 1050 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,480 At this moment, we don't really have any large-scale refineries. 1051 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,200 This is something, we cannot continue like that. 1052 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,667 No, I guess this technology 1053 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:11,960 opens up the possibility to do it 1054 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,920 in a sustainable manner also. 1055 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,640 You will be conquering all of Europe? 1056 00:52:17,398 --> 00:52:20,358 At least, yes, and the rest of the world. 1057 00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,520 To complete a full European mine to EV value chain, 1058 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,120 battery and car manufacturers should also be included. 1059 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,120 In Serbia, this scenario is unfolding. 1060 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,920 Car manufacturer Stellantis plans 1061 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,160 to build its electric Grande Panda in Serbia. 1062 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,200 Additionally, Serbian battery manufacturer ElevenEs 1063 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640 is prepared to open new battery factories 1064 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,600 in the country when the lithium mine is operational. 1065 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,960 It means a revolution in economic growth in the country. 1066 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040 Actually, this product you see here is the first LFP battery 1067 00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480 made in Europe several years ago. 1068 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,720 It's lithium-iron-phosphate, 1069 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,720 which actually has lithium carbonate in itself, 1070 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,440 which basically connects the whole value chain. 1071 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,720 Jadar will produce the lithium carbonate for your batteries? 1072 00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,640 That's the hope for the future, that we have everything local 1073 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,640 and that we basically have the first LFP value chain 1074 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,080 outside of Asia, present in Europe. 1075 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,517 Since now you are dependent on 1076 00:53:25,529 --> 00:53:27,080 China for your lithium carbonate? 1077 00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,560 That's correct, today everything is basically coming from China 1078 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,840 because it's a single market where everything is created 1079 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,040 from the raw materials 1080 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,320 but it's about to change in the next years. 1081 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,840 We have to be smart about it. 1082 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,080 If we do the right things, 1083 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,582 we will have one of the largest 1084 00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:43,280 economic opportunities of our lifetime. 1085 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,440 How many jobs are we talking about in Serbia? 1086 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,260 We're talking about 20,000 jobs. 1087 00:53:47,272 --> 00:53:48,200 Twenty thousand? 1088 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,156 20,000 new jobs to be created only 1089 00:53:50,168 --> 00:53:52,080 by the battery value chain industry. 1090 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,838 Let's not forget, it's supporting 1091 00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:55,560 the transition to climate neutrality. 1092 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,440 It's absolutely the essence of climate neutrality. 1093 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560 As you know, this will not only be used in cars, 1094 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,600 this thing will be used in buses, in 1095 00:54:03,612 --> 00:54:05,440 trucks, in construction machinery, 1096 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,320 in your home, in storage, in large industrial solar parks. 1097 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,520 It's the central item 1098 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,600 of the energy storage revolution we're about to face. 1099 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,320 How much material do you need to produce one EV battery? 1100 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,160 In this kind of quarry, 1101 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,346 you need around one meter by one meter, 1102 00:54:29,358 --> 00:54:32,360 and then two meters, two cubic meters. 1103 00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,320 Then it's around six tons of material. 1104 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,118 6,000 kilograms of rock for one battery. 1105 00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:41,240 One battery. 1106 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,921 That is Europe's lithium paradox, we 1107 00:54:43,933 --> 00:54:46,000 have it but we don't seem to mine it. 1108 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,880 Yes, it's like that. 1109 00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,200 I think that there was a wrong communication at some point 1110 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,280 that people don't understand 1111 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,920 that, Europe importing from China, 1112 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,040 it's not an obligation, we can do it ourselves in Europe, 1113 00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,720 from mining to the complete lithium value chain. 1114 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,760 The people look at a white rock and they see a problem. 1115 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,824 I see this white rock as a solution 1116 00:55:13,836 --> 00:55:15,960 for the interior of Portugal. 1117 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,999 Clearly, Europe has the technology 1118 00:55:20,024 --> 00:55:22,573 to mine, refine, and recycle lithium. 1119 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,440 But the clock is ticking. 1120 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,440 The Chinese are not holding back in the supply chain. 1121 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,320 Climate change is spiralling out of control. 1122 00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,383 We need to act fast, while at the 1123 00:55:33,408 --> 00:55:36,293 same time respect local communities 1124 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,360 to be part of this storyline. 1125 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,219 We need to make haste slowly. 84983

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