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People often overlook
that everything
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that was not born or
grown was once mined.
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It might be an inconvenient
truth, but without mining,
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there wouldn't be any buildings
or bridges.
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No railway tracks or fridges.
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No smartphones
or electric buses.
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I think I have a piece.
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Yes, let's check.
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Our fight against climate change
also relies on mining.
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Lithium, for example, is a
crucial element for batteries
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powering electric mobility
and stationary energy storage.
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Seven percent of lithium oxide.
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It's not like Europe lacks
lithium in its bedrock.
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We have different kinds
of lithium in Europe.
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Spodumene like this
that is very important
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and lithium as zinnwaldite
in Germany, jadarite in Serbia
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and many others.
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Is lithium everywhere then?
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Yes, Europe could
be self-sufficient
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in terms of lithium, for sure.
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Why don't we have any
operational mines in Europe?
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Yeah, quite interesting.
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They just see the disadvantages,
they don't see the advantages.
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Climate change is the
defining challenge of our time.
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To move to a
climate-neutral world,
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the total demand for
critical minerals is projected
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to triple between
today and 2040.
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Of all the critical minerals,
lithium
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stands out with
eight-fold growth.
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These critical minerals
are vital for wind turbines,
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solar panels,
batteries and electric vehicles,
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along with many other clean
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technologies
essential for advancing
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towards a
climate-neutral society.
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The International Energy Agency
has calculated
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that we need 50 new mines
for lithium by 2030.
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In Europe we have
loads of potential,
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and yet, in the real world,
we still haven't got
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any single operational
lithium mine in Europe itself.
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That is a huge paradox for me.
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It is a paradox.
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As the race for critical
minerals takes center stage
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on the global
geopolitical agenda,
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Europe can no longer afford
to remain passive.
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US President Trump enforced
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a “critical minerals
for security” deal with Ukraine,
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while also eyeing
Greenland's untapped resources.
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Meanwhile,
China holds significant stakes
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in the Democratic
Republic of Congo
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and continues
to dominate the lithium market.
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Although Australia
and Chile may possess
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larger lithium
reserves than China,
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the Chinese have
secured almost 60 percent
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of the global lithium
refining capacity
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and 75 percent
of global battery production.
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To avoid sleepwalking into the
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abyss, Europe's time
to act is now.
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This map corroborates the huge
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potential for lithium
mining in Europe.
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We have deposits spread from
Portugal right up to Finland.
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If you look at the
size of the deposits,
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two of the crucial ones
are here in Serbia,
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and there in Portugal.
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Both of these mines face
quite a lot of opposition,
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local opposition
and even national opposition.
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Mining is needed,
but not always wanted.
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Take Portugal, for example.
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A number of locals
in Covas do Barroso
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have voiced strong
concerns about
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lithium extraction
in their region.
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In Serbia,
an EU candidate member state,
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protests have been elevated from
the local to the national level.
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Many Serbs argue
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that the mine will destroy their
environment and agriculture.
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It just shows
that Europe's climate targets
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often conflict
with local or national demands
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for environmental
and cultural preservation.
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Doctor Peter Tom
Jones wants to dig
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deeper into this
lithium paradox.
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That's why he's travelling
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to the Barroso region
in the north of Portugal,
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where one of the largest lithium
deposits in Europe is situated.
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Hello, good evening.
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Please.
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Jones is the director
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of the KU Leuven Institute for
Sustainable Metals and Minerals
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in Belgium,
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an internationally renowned
interdisciplinary institute
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recognized for its
expertise in lithium.
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This is a copy of the five-liter
one, it's just a bigger version.
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Beyond his academic work,
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Jones has spent over 30
years passionately advocating
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for a just transition
to a climate-neutral society.
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However,
he has come to recognize
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that this transition
inevitably requires
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the extraction
of critical metals.
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This raises an
essential question.
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Can mining be
conducted responsibly
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and can Europe lead the way
as a global pioneer?
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The problem is
that mining has such
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a bad reputation
all over the world,
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and yet in Europe,
we can do it in a different way.
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We can do it in an
ESG-friendly way.
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That's what I want to find out,
to see
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how it can be done
in a better way.
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The first stop on his
journey is Boticas,
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where the headquarters of
Savannah Resources are situated.
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Savannah is a British
mining company
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listed on the London
Stock Exchange.
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This junior company has one
mining project in its portfolio,
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the controversial
Barroso Lithium Project.
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If all goes according to plan,
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the first of four open pit mines
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will commence
operations in 2027.
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The project is going
to have four pits,
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and this is just
a representation
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of the timeline of the project.
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We are going to operate
four pits in sequence.
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One by one, and as we open a new
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one, we backfill
the previous one.
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In the model,
the location of the
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first one would be right here.
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Then we work on this one.
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Then we would come
to this one, and
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then finally to
this pit right here.
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As you can see, two of the pits
here are already rehabilitated.
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The trend in mining is to go
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underground towards
invisible mines,
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so why did you go for open pits?
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From a technical perspective,
the resource is on the surface,
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so it doesn't warrant
an underground mine here.
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Okay, but I do see villages
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which are relatively close
by this open pit in particular.
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I guess they're
worried about dust,
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noise, vibrations,
and water issues.
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How do you deal
with those complaints?
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We've already identified
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and mapped out a lot of the
concerns from the population,
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and you mentioned a few of them.
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Of course,
we have mitigation measures
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in place to manage and mitigate
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and minimize all
of those negative
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aspects or negative impacts,
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whether it's sound, dust,
or air quality, for example.
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We need to see it
before we can believe it,
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so let's go to this place
and speak to the people.
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The mining activities would
occur in the Barroso region,
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an area renowned
for its strong cultural identity
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and recognized
as World Agricultural Heritage.
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Despite its agricultural
significance,
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the region also has a
long tradition of mining.
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This region is the tip
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of a protected area recognized
for its agricultural heritage,
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and what's being
recognized is the
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traditional
agricultural practices.
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The resistance
will say that you'll
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be destroying that way of life.
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Those who protest the project
claim that there's a risk
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that they're going
to lose that recognition
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but it's interesting to
know that that classification,
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that recognition
was granted in 2018
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with already a series
of mining projects
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in the protected area.
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It's not at all incompatible,
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besides the fact
that we're going to be occupying
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a very, very small
portion of that area.
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While driving to
Covas do Barroso,
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Peter Tom Jones and
Thomas Gaultier pass
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through numerous
semi-deserted villages.
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The younger generation
of Portugal has
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left the northern
part of the country
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to pursue education
in coastal cities or abroad,
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and they have not returned
due to the lack of jobs.
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You reckon the
mine will provide new
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economic developments here,
then?
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It's definitely
going to create a
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stimulation of the
local economy.
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With more people coming,
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you're going to have more need
for restaurants,
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more need for
small grocery stores,
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and that's going to
create stimulation.
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These mine workers,
they will come
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and live in these
houses again then?
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They might if the owners are
ready to rent out their house
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to the mining community,
to the mining workers.
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Yes, absolutely.
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It's an absolutely gorgeous
place to live, anyway.
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In my opinion, the nicest
viewpoint in the area.
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Here we see the
beautiful valleys,
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so where will your pits come?
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There are four pits.
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The main pit will
be in the second
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valley down in that direction,
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closer to the little
village of Romainho,
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which is 580 meters
from our biggest pit.
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Will they see the pit?
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They're going to see the pit
to some extent,
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especially at the
top levels of the pit.
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They're also going to see some
of the waste rock storage
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that's going to be there,
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but it's going to be quite
hidden in the vegetation
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and in the structure
of the landscape.
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What's the reaction
of the people there?
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Some are not very happy.
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This is where the main voices
of protest come from,
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from Romainho and
Covas do Barroso.
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When I hear Covas do Barroso,
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I think about the
resistance I see
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in all these newspaper articles.
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This is where it comes from,
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because people are concerned
and people are afraid,
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and that's what makes
the work worthwhile.
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I want to go and
speak to these people.
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Do you think they will
be willing to speak to me?
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I'm sure they're
going to be willing
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to engage and share their views
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and their position
on this project
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because it affects
them and it's normal.
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Can I expect a
friendly encounter?
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My experience is that
it's always friendly,
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if not passionate encounters.
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Finnish researcher,
Toni Eerola, is
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accompanying
Jones on this journey.
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As a social geologist,
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Eerola is investigating
local resistance to the mining
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of energy-transition
metals in Europe.
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His proficiency in Portuguese
proves particularly useful.
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We’re making a documentary.
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Stop filming! Okay?
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If you will use this,
I have a recording too.
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However, the meeting
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with the local
opposition highlights
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the deep distrust
against the project.
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I speak portuguese.
You can talk to me.
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We know exactly
what you are doing and
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what is the
intention of this work.
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That's why it's not welcomed.
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It's disrespectful to a
community that is struggling,
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because of a company
of thieves and liars.
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And you come here
to collude with them.
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We've already been screwed
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a lot of times and we
don't accept people like you.
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That's why I
advise you to leave.
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Don’t challenge me
or you’re going to get it.
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The researchers are prevented
from freely engaging
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with other local residents
in Covas do Barroso,
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making it impossible
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to accurately gauge
public sentiment
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regarding the
lithium mining project.
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What is clear is that the
project is highly sensitive,
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with some locals feeling that
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their livelihoods
are under threat.
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Tony, I was not expecting
this kind of hostility.
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How do you explain that?
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Yes, I was a little
bit surprised also
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but anyway,
we can expect anything
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in these kinds of situations.
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The emotions were really tough?
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Yes,
and that happens in activism.
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The emotions, they are a part of
activism, a strong part of that.
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They are really convinced
that lithium is a bad thing.
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They do not see this as part
of a cleantech transition
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to climate neutrality?
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Yes, it seems to be
an absolute view.
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The problem is that the mine
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would be close
to that community,
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but then they
refuse to recognize
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the green energy transition.
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They don't believe in that.
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There's also a deliberate
attempt not to engage with us,
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and not to give their opinion?
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They spoke a lot with us,
but not in front of cameras.
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They don't accept it
and refuse totally to do that.
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You see a lack of trust
even in scientists like us.
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Journalists, government,
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researchers,
it's kind of systematic.
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If they don't trust us,
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what about the company
that is trying to do this?
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That's the worst-case scenario
for them to trust a company
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that intends to
mine on their lands.
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Do you think the community
engagement strategy
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of the company can work
in such circumstances?
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Not with these people, probably,
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but for the rest of
the community, I
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think that it's worth
trying to do that.
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Yes, we have work to do.
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In this historic church
in Mechelen in Belgium,
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Jones seeks to find common
ground between civil society,
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academia, public authorities,
and the mining industry.
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We'll now kick off
with the SLO panel event
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on responsible mining in Europe.
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The responsible
mining model aims to
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transcend past
questionable practices,
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focusing on minimizing
environmental harm,
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ensuring fair labor conditions
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and involving local communities
as real beneficiaries.
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Jones challenges the industry
to prove its commitment
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to this transformation.
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This is a major question that
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the Serbian
opposition is posing.
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How can any company that goes
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for such a project
outside of the European Union
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take along the very strict
ESG standards it has to follow
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within the European Union?
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However, the Social
License to Operate concept
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also faces criticism.
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Here, the protesters
highlight the
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right to say no and stay silent,
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letting their banners about
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Portugal and
Serbia do the talking.
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It's a paradox.
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Civil society grapples
with the challenge
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of balancing local
community rights
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and environmental preservation
with the need to mine metals,
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which are essential
for the transition
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to a climate-neutral economy.
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However, not all
environmental organizations
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are opposed to metal mining.
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That's a topic addressed
by Julia Poliscanova,
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a prominent figure
at Transport and Environment.
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There you go.
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It's a coalition
of over 60 environmental NGOs
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across Europe.
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While she acknowledges
the concerns
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surrounding the
global mining industry,
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she also recognizes
the necessity
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of lithium mining in Europe.
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You can have different kinds
of environmentalism, right?
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You have organizations that are
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anti and that
operate by protest,
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and you have environmental
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organizations that
rely on evidence,
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for example, we as T&E, but
also rely very much on engaging.
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We engage with politicians,
we engage with companies
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to raise the standards of mining
but understand,
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and we understand
that we still will
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need a lot more
critical minerals
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for technologies like
batteries and wind turbines.
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You're trying to be constructive
in your environmentalism.
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We are constructive
in the way we approach things,
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but not scared to
call companies out.
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When something's not done right,
we say so.
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However, we understand
that only by working together
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can we build this resilient
supply chain in Europe.
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Still, many environmental
activists
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simply don't trust
these mining companies.
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They don't trust them,
and sometimes
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they also have a
good reason not to.
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Historically, we have a
lot of evidence of corruption,
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of mismanagement, dirty rivers,
dangerous chemicals, et cetera.
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There's also a responsibility
for the mining companies
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to break with the past
and do things differently.
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Before we delve
into the necessary
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changes in the mining industry,
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we should also reflect
on our choices as consumers.
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Do we really need
to buy an oversized electric SUV
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every four years?
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Perhaps it's time
to rethink our economic model,
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one that promotes circularity
through ecodesign,
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thereby reducing our
dependence on mining.
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Instead of mining more lithium,
we just need to consume less.
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Whether we all use electric cars
or we go by electric bus
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or even by train, we will
still need critical minerals.
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We'll need them for steel
to make your rail tracks.
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for example, or lithium to build
that bigger battery for a bus.
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We will still need
a lot of those minerals,
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but how much more depends on the
various choices that we make.
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T&E has always been
in favor of a modal shift,
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so how far can that take us?
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We have looked
at it a lot as T&E.
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We see that, for example,
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if more people took
a smaller electric vehicle
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as opposed to a large SUV,
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we would need to mine a
quarter less cumulatively
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of lithium and nickel by 2050.
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That's a lot of mines
we don't have to build.
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This primary demand can be
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further reduced
by recycling more?
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Recycling or broader
circularity is also critical.
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Generally, I hope that
we in the world move away
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from this linear kind of
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extractive model
that we have today
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and go to a more circular loop.
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We mine lithium and nickel once,
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but then we can
constantly recycle it
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in a loop to produce
new batteries.
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How far can we jump today
with recycled lithium?
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One of the key
players is Umicore.
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This multinational corporation,
headquartered in Belgium,
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has developed an innovative new
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technique for
recycling batteries.
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Something very special is going
to happen today, I understand.
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Yes, it's the very first time
we're ever allowing a film crew
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inside the battery smelter.
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Is it because it's
a secret process?
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It's unique,
and it's a wonderful process.
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However,
it remains a pilot plant today
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as the volumes are insufficient
to be profitable.
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Here we can say a final goodbye
to the battery.
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It's the funeral
of the batteries.
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Yes, it's the end of
their productive life,
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but it's the start
of a new life.
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Which type of batteries go
into the smelter?
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We can take a high
variety of batteries.
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We take batteries
from the early-generation EVs
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that are now becoming
end of life, not used anymore.
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We also take
quite a bit of cells
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that have quality issues
during manufacturing.
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This is a proper
industrial pilot.
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How much feed do you need
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to have a really
commercially-viable
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industrial factory?
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We operate at a capacity
of 7,000 tons per year,
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which is equivalent
to roughly 20,000 EV batteries.
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Our ambition is to scale up
with capacities
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that are 10 or 20 times bigger.
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When will those
volumes be available?
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We believe that in the
next decade, in the 2030s
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that the end-of-life
market will pick up
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and we have a role to play
with such an installation.
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What's very
important is that the
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volumes that will
be on the market
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then will also be
available to us as recyclers
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because today a majority of
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these volumes
are leaving Europe.
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You're saying
that they are leaving Europe?
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They are leaving Europe
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because Asian players are much
more competitive to take them,
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and Europe still needs to invest
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in higher-capacity installations
with lower costs.
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People are hesitating
to put on these investments
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because we lack a clear,
coherent policy to support them.
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The European Union
still has a lot of work to do.
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We're appealing very strongly
to policymakers in Europe
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to make it happen,
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and not just in a few years from
now, the time to act is now.
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It's time to visit
the smelter with
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a camera crew
and a flying drone,
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the first time ever.
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What are we seeing here now?
What's happening?
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When the batteries touch the
molten bath inside this furnace,
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something truly magical happens.
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In a matter of seconds,
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the critical raw materials,
lithium,
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nickel, cobalt are liberated
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from their original compounds,
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and they're pushed
into separate,
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high quality products, actually.
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Nickel, cobalt will be collected
in the alloy,
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which is now
tapped into the pot.
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Then lithium is pushed
into the gaseous state
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and we capture it
as a salt basically
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in the flue dust off-gas system.
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What are the main
advantages here, then?
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The main advantages
are that it's safe by design.
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We don't need to
open up any battery.
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It's super efficient, high yield
of the critical raw materials,
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and it's most sustainable.
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Low carbon footprint,
less waste, less chemicals.
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Is this a really
world-unique process?
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Absolutely.
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This is a process
that's invented
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and developed here
in the center of Europe.
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Do you think the Chinese want
to copy this process?
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We know that they
want to copy it.
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They are very interested
to learn about this technology.
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We have Chinese
customers as well,
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so we're in touch with them,
anyway.
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All great news, but in China,
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new, more affordable types
of batteries are emerging.
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The so-called LFP batteries
or lithium-iron-phosphate,
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which do not contain
cobalt or nickel.
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If this battery becomes
the new standard,
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current recycling technologies
could face significant pressure.
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- Oh, here we have it.
- Yes.
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Look at this,
this is the white gold.
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This is industrially produced
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Technical-grade
lithium carbonate.
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It's fully recycled.
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Fully from spent batteries.
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Is that a solution for
our lithium supply?
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We will need mining
for the foreseeable future,
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but recycling is a key addition,
a key strategic component
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for Europe to be more
independent and more sustainable
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for its future mobility.
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So, you can't recycle your way
out of the fossil-fuel economy?
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You have to first produce them
and then recycle them.
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Even with a major modal shift
in transportation
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and a significant boost in
lithium-ion battery recycling,
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some primary lithium mining
will still be necessary
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to achieve a
climate-neutral economy.
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This aligns with the EU's
Critical Raw Materials Act,
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which sets ambitious targets.
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At least 10 percent of lithium
is sourced from domestic mining,
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40 percent refined
within the EU,
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and 25 percent
recycled domestically.
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In the European Parliament,
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Jones meets German MEP
Hildegard Bentele,
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who has played a
pivotal role in shaping
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and refining
the Critical Raw Materials Act,
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where lithium remains
a central focus.
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How important is the lithium
supply chain for Europe?
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It is very important
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because we are super
dependent currently
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from one supplier,
which is China.
508
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,606
We have to face
the situation that
509
00:25:43,618 --> 00:25:45,520
the supply chain is interrupted.
510
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,436
China could hit
us hard by stopping
511
00:25:48,448 --> 00:25:50,600
lithium imports from China.
512
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,640
We want to prepare
for this situation.
513
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,400
That means domestic mining
and refining in Europe.
514
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,373
So that we have
a current inflow of
515
00:25:59,385 --> 00:26:02,080
potential battery
production in Europe.
516
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,800
Still, there is so
much opposition.
517
00:26:04,976 --> 00:26:07,751
There's a lot of
hypocrisy in it because
518
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,055
if they saw the
conditions under which
519
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480
lithium is mined in China
or in other places in the world,
520
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,680
the standards are much lower.
521
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:22,680
Actually, they are blocking
high-standard lithium mining.
522
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,997
For the purpose, what they want,
523
00:26:25,009 --> 00:26:27,360
which is to have
cleaner transport,
524
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,560
a cleaner environment.
525
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,000
This is what we are aiming for.
526
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:33,800
They also do not see that
we have high tech in mining.
527
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,058
Jones witnessed
first-hand how mining
528
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,960
Jones witnessed
first-hand how mining
529
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:41,160
in the Nordic countries
is conducted more responsibly,
530
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,400
and has evolved
into a highly advanced industry,
531
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,880
featuring electric trucks
and autonomous vehicles
532
00:26:48,120 --> 00:26:50,080
powered by green electricity.
533
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,400
Moreover, mining at depths
534
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,240
beyond 1,000 meters underground
bears little resemblance
535
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:00,240
to the hazardous and polluting
coal mining of the past.
536
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,640
What's happening here?
537
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,733
The sector has undergone a
538
00:27:03,745 --> 00:27:06,160
remarkable digital
transformation.
539
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,400
This is where we load
540
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,960
and work with the hydraulic
stone knockers using joysticks,
541
00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,280
Xbox and
PlayStation controllers.
542
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,728
PlayStation at
1,400 meters depth?
543
00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:20,520
Yes.
544
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Perhaps this explains
545
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,480
why the Keliber lithium mining
and refining project
546
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,770
in the Kaustinen
region in Finland
547
00:27:27,782 --> 00:27:29,560
faces so little opposition.
548
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,240
The company plans
to begin mining in 2026.
549
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,920
A similar situation exists
in central France,
550
00:27:38,120 --> 00:27:42,240
where Imerys aims to expand
its existing kaolinite mine
551
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:45,600
into an underground
lepidolite lithium operation.
552
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,760
Opposition
to this project remains minimal.
553
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,035
Both of these
projects were granted
554
00:27:51,047 --> 00:27:52,600
the Strategic Project status
555
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,600
by the EU in March 2025.
556
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,280
Despite the protests, the Mina
do Barroso project in Portugal
557
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,400
has also been labelled
a Strategic Project.
558
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,400
We are seeing a lot of
deindustrialization in Europe.
559
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760
Can this lithium supply chain
counteract that?
560
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Yes, it can, because we have
seen that the mining sector,
561
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,080
which was in decline,
562
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,414
with these kind of projects,
can be revived
563
00:28:19,426 --> 00:28:22,040
and can be made
into a new ecosystem.
564
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,684
It's not only mining,
it's processing,
565
00:28:24,696 --> 00:28:26,680
it's refining, it's recycling.
566
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,160
We have the chance to establish
a completely new ecosystem,
567
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,600
which is future-proven, but if
we do not act now to revive it,
568
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,231
soon, it will really
be in decline
569
00:28:38,243 --> 00:28:40,200
and will go away from Europe.
570
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,501
The European Union
is expanding its search
571
00:28:44,513 --> 00:28:47,000
for lithium outside
of its own borders.
572
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,200
It has signed a strategic
partnership with Serbia,
573
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,200
home to Europe's largest and
most valuable lithium deposit,
574
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,775
a resource capable of supplying
575
00:28:56,787 --> 00:28:59,520
batteries for one
million electric cars
576
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:03,120
or 200,000 electric
buses annually.
577
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,120
However,
the planned lithium mine
578
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,720
in Serbia's fertile Jadar Valley
has sparked massive protests.
579
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,390
What started as local opposition
580
00:29:13,402 --> 00:29:16,240
rapidly grew into a
nationwide movement.
581
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,480
Shifting from Not In My Backyard
to Not In My Country.
582
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,760
Rio Tinto,
get out of Serbia!
583
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,040
Get out of Serbia!
584
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,080
The contested British Australian
mining company, Rio Tinto,
585
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200
which intends to
invest 2.3 billion Euros
586
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,720
in this major
underground lithium operation,
587
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,800
is facing unprecedented
resistance.
588
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,520
The ore found in the region,
known as jadarite,
589
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,600
was officially classified
as a new mineral in 2004.
590
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,685
It's here, we see examples of
591
00:29:49,697 --> 00:29:51,600
the drill cores
and the jadarite.
592
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,320
If you look at this core,
593
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,600
the white dots that you
see here are the jadarite.
594
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,280
Compared to other lithium
ores present in Europe,
595
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,320
such as spodumene
in Portugal, Spain, and Finland,
596
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,160
lepidolite in France,
597
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,120
or zinnwaldite in Germany
and the Czech Republic,
598
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,080
jadarite is easier to process.
599
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,692
It does not require
energy-intensive
600
00:30:14,704 --> 00:30:16,080
thermal pretreatment
601
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520
or extremely harsh
chemical conditions.
602
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,840
From a purely
environmental perspective,
603
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,360
jadarite processing would
not pose more but fewer risks,
604
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,520
according to
metallurgical experts.
605
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,320
Here we see the valley.
606
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,240
The now-famous Jadar Valley.
607
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:39,400
From here, you can see where we
intend, if everything goes well,
608
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400
to build the Jadar project.
609
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,560
If you look at that line
and maybe I can explain it here,
610
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,351
we are talking about
a surface area
611
00:30:47,376 --> 00:30:50,440
of 220 hectares
above ground.
612
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,240
- No, that's not big.
- It's not big?
613
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,760
If you think about, for example,
614
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,720
the Kolubara mine
in another part of Serbia,
615
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,640
which is an open-pit mine,
that's 60,000 hectares.
616
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,120
- You must be joking.
- No.
617
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,738
That's just the
footprint you see on top.
618
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,495
Yes.
619
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,880
That's the benefit you get
from an underground mine.
620
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,526
If you look at this picture,
621
00:31:07,538 --> 00:31:09,680
imagine that this
is that area here.
622
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,760
The mine is underground, you
don't see it, you see only...
623
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,920
- It's an invisible mine.
- Yes, exactly.
624
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,840
It's an invisible mine,
which is completely underground.
625
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,720
Everything around the mine
remains the same.
626
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,391
It is a very modern
mine that will
627
00:31:23,403 --> 00:31:25,480
be operated from a control room.
628
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Everything will be controlled
electronically.
629
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,160
When you think about Jadar,
630
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,440
the area that maybe people
will see from this point,
631
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,480
if Jadar is built,
is rather small.
632
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Everything around the area
and around the fence
633
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,480
will continue to
be the way it is
634
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,977
because we will
make sure that the
635
00:31:43,989 --> 00:31:46,280
farming exists exactly the same.
636
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:47,960
There is no land subsidence.
637
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,840
Still,
there are so many protests.
638
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,200
Yes, there are protests.
639
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Unfortunately, the narrative has
been based on disinformation,
640
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,066
and what we are
struggling with is
641
00:31:58,078 --> 00:32:00,160
actually to see a
fact-based dialogue
642
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,840
and discussion about
the merits of this project.
643
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
During the interview, members
of the local resistance group,
644
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,720
Ne Damo Jadar keep passing by,
645
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,214
filming the Serbian
head of Rio Tinto
646
00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:17,240
while making
their feelings clear.
647
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,560
You are wasting your time it
is useless what you are doing.
648
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,520
There is nothing for you here,
this is our living space.
649
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
We will defend
this with our lives.
650
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,360
If you want blood to flow,
you can get it.
651
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,600
Why are these local farmers
652
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,320
so vehemently opposed
to the Jadar project?
653
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Ne Damo Jadar,
meaning we Won't Give Up Jadar,
654
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,040
is unwavering in its
resistance against Rio Tinto,
655
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920
and it's clear
that they will not back down.
656
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,028
What is your main concern with
657
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,440
this lithium project
by Rio Tinto?
658
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,320
There is no concern,
there will be no mine.
659
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,240
Our job is to gather
as many people as possible
660
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,488
to bring 200,000
people out in the
661
00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,720
streets and they
will have to leave.
662
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,560
The president wants
the mining project to happen.
663
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,640
The president wants
the mine to be opened
664
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,680
because he is the key lobbyist
for Rio Tinto.
665
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,509
Are you afraid of environmental
666
00:33:19,521 --> 00:33:21,520
pollution? Is that
the main cause?
667
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,600
If the mine comes,
there would be no life here.
668
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,766
Isn't it sad that you
have these huge
669
00:33:28,778 --> 00:33:31,520
lithium resources
in this country,
670
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,480
and you can't use them
to become rich in this country?
671
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,720
Europe would get rich.
672
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,960
They would get lithium batteries
and a healthy environment.
673
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,560
They would be the ones driving
around in the electric vehicles,
674
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,240
and Serbia would become
Europe’s landfill,
675
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840
and we would suffer from
various diseases like cancer.
676
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,799
It's striking to
see the lengths to
677
00:33:59,811 --> 00:34:02,440
which Ne Damo
Jadar is prepared to go
678
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,040
to halt the lithium mine.
679
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,346
We are ready to
sacrifice our lives
680
00:34:09,358 --> 00:34:12,520
in the fight against Rio Tinto.
681
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:14,960
What do you mean
by sacrificing your own life?
682
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:16,800
We will lie down
in front of the excavators.
683
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,040
We will burn them
and do whatever it takes.
684
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,200
Rio Tinto get out of Serbia.
685
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720
In Serbia, the local protest
686
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,920
by Ne Damo Jadar has grown into
a massive national movement,
687
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,860
attracting a diverse array of
688
00:34:32,872 --> 00:34:35,120
opponents against
the mining project.
689
00:34:35,240 --> 00:34:37,247
Is it possible that behind these
690
00:34:37,259 --> 00:34:39,720
doors people sit
who are only focused
691
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,920
on their mandate?
692
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,840
The opposition is
remarkably diverse.
693
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,588
Local farmers, urban
694
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480
environmentalists,
Belgrade scientists
695
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,520
and Serbian nationalists
all united against the project.
696
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,105
In Belgrade, Jones meets
697
00:34:57,117 --> 00:34:59,680
anthropologist
Jelena Vasiljevic,
698
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,600
who may shed some light on why
so many Serbs oppose the mine.
699
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,790
How do you explain
these complex,
700
00:35:07,802 --> 00:35:10,480
massive protests
here in Belgrade?
701
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,120
Part of it is that it's against
the mining of lithium.
702
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,760
Part of it has to do with that
and with different arguments
703
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
about why the Jadar project
is complicated.
704
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,800
The complex part of it has to do
with the dissatisfaction
705
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,040
with this political regime
706
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,840
and how this whole process
has been conducted
707
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,000
in non-transparent
and non-democratic ways.
708
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,840
Many grievances
are actually being articulated
709
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:35,960
in this protest.
710
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,800
The lack of trust in the
government here is very loud.
711
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:40,960
It's very clear.
712
00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:42,440
Where is it coming from?
713
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,320
We also have bad experiences
with previous projects.
714
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:46,737
We had many other projects that
715
00:35:46,749 --> 00:35:48,360
were declared of
national interest,
716
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,320
and they were all conducted
717
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,720
in non-transparent
and non-democratic ways.
718
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,320
If Rio Tinto were a
Serbian company,
719
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
do you think the project
would have been okay?
720
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,920
Partially it has to do with
the bad history of Rio Tinto.
721
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,560
That is true,
it's not only about the economy.
722
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:08,120
It's not only about how you
use sustainable raw materials.
723
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,600
It's what you
politically do with it.
724
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,330
This is why people
are distrustful
725
00:36:14,342 --> 00:36:16,520
and I would say they are right.
726
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,480
Anthropologist Jelena Vasiljevic
attributes the growing unrest
727
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:23,720
to the current regime,
728
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,640
which, according to her
and many protesters,
729
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,840
is sliding towards autocracy
under President Vučić.
730
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,899
This is evident in the harsh
731
00:36:32,911 --> 00:36:35,120
suppression of
protests in Belgrade
732
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,520
and the unlawful arrests
of many activists.
733
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,560
The movement continues
to gain momentum
734
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,120
with the support of
thousands of Serbian students.
735
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,640
The Jadar lithium project
has become deeply intertwined
736
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,880
with the political
opposition to Vučić.
737
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560
Should there be a referendum
on this project?
738
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,120
No, a referendum,
I don't think it's a good idea
739
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:59,455
because a referendum is always
740
00:36:59,467 --> 00:37:01,240
dependent on how
you frame the question.
741
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,200
Then you get the
Brexit discussions.
742
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,320
Not only that, the political
climate then takes a lot.
743
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,680
The political
climate is important
744
00:37:07,768 --> 00:37:09,728
and you also have
to have an informed public.
745
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,119
How can you have a referendum
746
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,440
when citizens aren't
informed enough?
747
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,040
Now they're staging something
that looks like an open debate,
748
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,880
even though we know
that everything is already done.
749
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520
We needed to be
more prepared for that.
750
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Is the deep distrust
in Rio Tinto's lithium project
751
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:29,480
based on genuine concerns,
752
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,377
or is it also fuelled
by disinformation,
753
00:37:32,389 --> 00:37:34,960
allegedly spread to
serve political goals
754
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,680
such as ousting President
Vučić's autocratic regime?
755
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Rio Tinto claims that fake
news plays a significant role.
756
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,293
At their information
center in Loznica,
757
00:37:47,305 --> 00:37:49,760
they've even set
up a fake-news wall.
758
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,520
You see a lot of photos
of open-pit mines.
759
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,390
We know this is an
underground mine,
760
00:37:55,402 --> 00:37:56,960
and it will not look like that.
761
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,800
You see the explosions, which
are connected to the open pits,
762
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,320
and how people are scared.
763
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Here you have information
764
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,909
that we will use sulphuric acid
765
00:38:05,921 --> 00:38:07,920
at 250 degrees,
which is not true.
766
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:11,120
We're using it at 90 degrees
as anyone can see
767
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,480
from the information
publicly available.
768
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,080
That we will destroy the water
sources for 85 million people,
769
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,600
which is underground in Jadar.
770
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,520
It is very easy to say something
like you will burn the skin
771
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,200
and lungs of people because
you will have sulfuric rains,
772
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,000
which is completely not true,
but explaining the technology
773
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,240
and how you use
the sulfuric acid takes time.
774
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,000
It's easy to throw
the mud at someone,
775
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,920
but it's difficult
to clean the shirt again.
776
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,960
It takes much longer, it's the
Second Law of Thermodynamics.
777
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,320
What do you then do about this?
What is your strategy?
778
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,400
The first thing is
that we plan community meetings
779
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,400
to meet with the
community face-to-face.
780
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,600
We've met more than 3,000
people so far in the past year,
781
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,520
and we've committed
to radical transparency.
782
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,120
That is, we put all the
information on our web page,
783
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,520
respond to all media inquiries,
and
784
00:39:00,532 --> 00:39:02,800
rebut everything
that's fake news.
785
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:08,280
Misinformation, disinformation,
786
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,638
and the lack of
trust are also issues
787
00:39:10,650 --> 00:39:13,000
Savannah claims
to be struggling with.
788
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,000
In Portugal, lithium is
often perceived as toxic
789
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,120
despite ongoing
lithium mining in the region,
790
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,120
albeit not for
battery production.
791
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,720
Okay, so this is the NOA pit,
792
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,561
which is currently
being operated
793
00:39:31,573 --> 00:39:34,360
for the purpose of
extracting lithium
794
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,600
and quartz and feldspar for
the ceramics industry right now.
795
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Basically,
there is already lithium mining.
796
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,200
Exactly, there is lithium mining
happening right in front of us.
797
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Why do people think
it's toxic, then?
798
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,840
It's issues of perception.
799
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,000
It's issues of perception
because people don't understand
800
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,440
what lithium is.
801
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,597
They don't understand
how it's transformed
802
00:39:58,609 --> 00:40:00,640
to become a battery,
for example.
803
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,440
They're very much unaware
804
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,421
of the fact that
they're in contact
805
00:40:04,433 --> 00:40:06,080
with lithium on a daily basis.
806
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:12,120
If we look at a ceramic cup,
people drink coffee,
807
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,880
every day they put
lithium to their lips.
808
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,551
The rock that's
used to make this
809
00:40:17,563 --> 00:40:19,920
ceramic could have
come from this mine.
810
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,560
That's one of the major
challenges that we have
811
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,480
in our engagement
with the community.
812
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,200
It's trying to clarify
any misunderstandings,
813
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,280
using facts in order to explain
exactly what you just said.
814
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,835
There's already
lithium being mined
815
00:40:35,847 --> 00:40:38,320
here and in other
parts of Portugal,
816
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,360
and it's not different from
what we're going to be doing,
817
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,040
except we're going to be
doing it at a larger scale.
818
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,320
Fighting feelings with
facts is not an easy method.
819
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:49,880
It's not easy.
820
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,677
As long as we
keep giving facts and
821
00:40:52,689 --> 00:40:54,960
we build trust with
the communities,
822
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:56,933
those feelings are going to
823
00:40:56,945 --> 00:40:59,000
become feelings
of understanding,
824
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,440
acknowledgment, and
hopefully acceptance one day.
825
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,475
Building trust with
local communities
826
00:41:07,487 --> 00:41:09,480
remains a significant challenge
827
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:10,560
in Portugal.
828
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,165
In Dornelas,
another nearby civil parish
829
00:41:13,177 --> 00:41:15,400
where the mine is
set to be developed,
830
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,560
residents can speak more freely
than in Covas do Barroso,
831
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,200
allowing Jones to hear a
wider range of perspectives.
832
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,920
Do you think this project is
an opportunity for the villages?
833
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,691
I am not against it,
I can't see that
834
00:41:30,703 --> 00:41:34,040
it would bring
something bad here.
835
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,240
When things come here
we're probably already gone.
836
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,320
Okay, thanks.
837
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,042
It will affect the
life in the villages,
838
00:41:44,054 --> 00:41:45,920
and it will have
impact on our water.
839
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,320
They will probably
need our water.
840
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
We are trying to
minimize the water use.
841
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:58,600
This is what we are doing for
our food, animals, everything.
842
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,372
What is the opinion
here in Dornelas,
843
00:42:01,384 --> 00:42:03,560
is the majority for or against?
844
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,037
It varies, there are people
845
00:42:05,049 --> 00:42:06,720
against and in
favor of the mine,
846
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,788
but I think that here in
847
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,680
Dornelas,
and the Dornelas parish,
848
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,461
there is a part
which is in favor of
849
00:42:14,473 --> 00:42:16,800
it, and the majority
is in favor of it.
850
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,934
I don't know about
the rest of the
851
00:42:18,946 --> 00:42:21,320
people because many
are also against it.
852
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,040
We live in a region
with a rich mining past.
853
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,160
What are your major concerns
about this project?
854
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,400
My major concerns
are with water tables.
855
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:34,800
That concerns me a lot.
856
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,400
- Water?
- Yes.
857
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,080
In southern European countries
like Portugal,
858
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,440
water usage is a major concern.
859
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,240
With frequent forest fires,
860
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,520
locals worry if there
will be enough water left
861
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,680
for agriculture.
862
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,920
One of the main concerns
I hear all the time
863
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,185
is that you're going
to use so much water,
864
00:42:56,197 --> 00:42:58,240
and this region
doesn't have any water.
865
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,800
Actually this region
has a lot of water.
866
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,520
It rains a lot in this region,
867
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,668
and rain is where
we're going to be
868
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560
collecting our
water for this mine.
869
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,760
We won't collect
water from the river,
870
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,194
and we're not
going to be ejecting
871
00:43:11,206 --> 00:43:13,440
any kind of water
into the river.
872
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,537
We're going to
be using rainwater
873
00:43:16,549 --> 00:43:18,120
through water retention systems
874
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,520
over here, over here, and over
here, to collect the rainwater,
875
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,120
which will be used
to supply the mine.
876
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Will you then recycle the water
once it's in the system?
877
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,360
Absolutely, it's going to be
working in a closed circuit
878
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,505
where 85 percent
of the water used will
879
00:43:34,517 --> 00:43:37,440
be recycled and
reused into the mine.
880
00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,560
Why are you losing
15 percent then?
881
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,560
15 percent
is lost through evaporation,
882
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,160
and is also lost through
the humidity of the material
883
00:43:47,318 --> 00:43:49,078
that's transported
out of the mine.
884
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,240
With the urgent need
to mitigate climate change,
885
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,526
the mining industry
has been given
886
00:43:56,538 --> 00:43:58,440
a crucial role in human history.
887
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,000
However, to avoid
repeating past mistakes,
888
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:05,957
continuous dialogue
with local communities
889
00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:08,000
and civil society is essential.
890
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,720
A future mine?
891
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,640
No, thank you!
892
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,160
In the Barroso region,
893
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,040
such a dialogue
has been challenging so far,
894
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,360
but things are
starting to change.
895
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,600
Early 2025, a new association,
896
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,000
Associação Futuro
do Barroso has been founded.
897
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,520
This association,
which also includes members
898
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,920
from the Covas do
Barroso village itself,
899
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,600
does not take a position
for or against the project.
900
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,400
Instead, the organization is
dedicated to fostering dialogue
901
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,901
and collaborative
solutions towards
902
00:44:42,913 --> 00:44:44,840
a responsible mining project.
903
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:48,320
We know and are aware
904
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:53,600
that lithium mining will bring
some difficulties
905
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,360
and problems to the
municipality. But we must know
906
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,046
how to transfer
these difficulties into
907
00:45:01,136 --> 00:45:03,558
great opportunities
for development.
908
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,840
In Serbia, skepticism
and distrust still prevail.
909
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,597
However,
there may be a solution to
910
00:45:14,609 --> 00:45:16,920
overcoming Serbia's
lithium paradox.
911
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,000
In countries where trust
in the government is low,
912
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,320
involving a third-party auditor
could be a crucial step forward.
913
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,160
I believe they already do so
914
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:30,440
because I think if you do want
to produce any of your reports
915
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,480
for environmental impact
assessment, for example,
916
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,720
you need to have
third-party assessments.
917
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,640
I do think it would be very
helpful to engage with IRMA,
918
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,080
the Initiative for Responsible
Mining Assurance,
919
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,880
and to undergo a self-audit.
920
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,800
Following that, a proper audit
921
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,600
because it would really show
to the global NGO community,
922
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,360
first of all, transparently,
how they're doing things
923
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,120
and secondly, that they
are trying to do things better.
924
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,095
IRMA has developed comprehensive
925
00:45:58,107 --> 00:46:00,280
standards for
responsible mining.
926
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,667
These standards address key
927
00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:04,960
areas such as
business integrity,
928
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,760
environmental stewardship,
social responsibility,
929
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,520
and community engagement.
930
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,055
They were created
in collaboration
931
00:46:13,067 --> 00:46:14,920
with civil society
organizations,
932
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,920
workers, environmental
groups and industry experts.
933
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,040
IRMA could build
up trust in that way?
934
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,320
IRMA can help with
the global community
935
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,128
to show that their intentions
936
00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:30,240
are going in the
right direction.
937
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,280
If the EU wants
to evolve to mining practices
938
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,680
that are genuinely supported
by the public,
939
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,600
IRMA could serve as a key source
of inspiration for an improved
940
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,840
rather than weakened legislative
framework for mining in Europe.
941
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,440
For Professor Lima
from the University of Porto,
942
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,160
the situation is clear.
943
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Mining could give Portugal
and Europe a well-needed boost
944
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,160
in a rapidly changing
geopolitical world.
945
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,880
He hopes NIMBY can be
gradually replaced by PIMBY,
946
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,920
from Not In My Backyard
to Please In My Backyard.
947
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,720
To mine or not to mine,
948
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,280
that is now the question
for the Portuguese people.
949
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,440
As you said, yes, we have the
best resources in spodumene,
950
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,842
and spodumene is being mined for
951
00:47:25,854 --> 00:47:28,480
50 years for the
lithium industry.
952
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,120
- It's proven technology.
- It's a proven technology.
953
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,680
It's something that works,
really,
954
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,468
and it's an
opportunity for Portugal
955
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,120
to take advantage
of these resources
956
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,653
to try to do the lithium value
957
00:47:42,665 --> 00:47:46,240
chain from mining
to the refinery
958
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:51,040
and then we have a very nice
automobile industry in Portugal.
959
00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,280
Lithium has the power
960
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,600
to bring the Portuguese
back to this country.
961
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,000
These villages that
we were seeing,
962
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,600
when I started to work here,
they had many more people.
963
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,400
Their population
is now decreasing.
964
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,800
I see this not as a threat,
but as an opportunity
965
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,956
to bring some people to these
966
00:48:11,968 --> 00:48:14,560
areas, to live here
with families,
967
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,560
to work here in industry.
968
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,720
It's an opportunity.
969
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,822
Portugal is now at a crossroads,
970
00:48:20,834 --> 00:48:23,000
you go either left
or you go right.
971
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:24,640
Do you think it will happen?
972
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,800
I believe that in some of
the places it will happen
973
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,120
because the people
will understand
974
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:35,920
that the advantages are more
than the disadvantages.
975
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,593
Of course,
mining has disadvantages,
976
00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:41,240
but it can bring a
lot of advantages.
977
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,400
It's what we need
to communicate to local people.
978
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:48,316
With the EU backing multiple
979
00:48:48,328 --> 00:48:50,600
strategic lithium
mining projects,
980
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,191
Europe seems to
mean business but
981
00:48:53,203 --> 00:48:55,800
mining alone won't
solve the problem.
982
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,480
Without refining capacity,
983
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,920
Europe remains dependent
on third countries like China.
984
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,040
Right now lithium refining
is almost non-existent
985
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,320
across the continent,
but things are changing.
986
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,040
Germany has recently opened
a small semi-refinery,
987
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,040
while the Finnish
company, Metso,
988
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,880
is developing innovative,
cleaner technologies
989
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040
to refine lithium
from spodumene.
990
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,520
Here we have the spodumene,
991
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,200
a heat-treated spodumene sample
from Finland.
992
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,720
It could be the same
as the Portuguese material.
993
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:28,920
Yes, absolutely.
994
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,937
This offers an
995
00:49:30,949 --> 00:49:33,200
environmentally-friendly
alternative
996
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,960
to China's dominant
lithium processing method.
997
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,320
Is it unique for Europe
or for the world?
998
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Yes, in many ways.
999
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600
I would say that this is
Europe's best pilot plant.
1000
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,258
Probably the best pilot plant.
1001
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:51,120
Probably the best
pilot plant, yes.
1002
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,520
It's still a pilot plant,
1003
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,480
but the potential
of this technology is immense,
1004
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,080
and the timing couldn't be
more crucial with China's grip
1005
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,785
on global lithium refining
1006
00:50:01,797 --> 00:50:04,000
showing no signs
of slowing down.
1007
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:08,520
Here we see your pilot reactor,
how big will the real stuff be?
1008
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,360
It will be about
1,000 times bigger.
1009
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,120
- A thousand times bigger.
- Yes.
1010
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,517
What makes this
process so superior
1011
00:50:16,529 --> 00:50:18,840
to the conventional
Chinese process?
1012
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,320
There are actually two things,
it's the waste generation.
1013
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,120
Generally, it's very low and
then water consumption is low
1014
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,880
because we are recycling
all the water in the process.
1015
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,080
Is this then the European way
to solve the problems?
1016
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:34,440
Absolutely.
1017
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,423
This is a game-changing
technology
1018
00:50:36,435 --> 00:50:38,240
in lithium hydroxide production.
1019
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,485
Since we are not producing any
1020
00:50:40,497 --> 00:50:43,400
harmful waste,
it can be all recycled.
1021
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,200
We are not producing
sodium sulfate,
1022
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,600
which is the issue with the
conventional processing.
1023
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,960
Then we also
recycle all the water.
1024
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,054
Practically all the
water that we put
1025
00:50:53,066 --> 00:50:55,080
in the process is
purified and recycled.
1026
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,840
Here in this new
lithium refining process,
1027
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
they found
the holy grail-type of solution.
1028
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Rather than using sulfuric acid
as a leaching agent,
1029
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,720
which generates
the sodium sulfate waste stream,
1030
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:11,600
they work with a very simple
product called soda ash.
1031
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,720
This soda ash allows you
1032
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720
to get the lithium
out of the spodumene concentrate
1033
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,840
and provides you
with a very clean process,
1034
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,000
which is almost zero waste.
1035
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,125
That's a huge step forward for
1036
00:51:25,137 --> 00:51:27,400
lithium refining in
the Western world.
1037
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,240
This is the white gold
coming out of your process?
1038
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,948
Yes, this is the lithium
product that
1039
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,600
can be used now
in electric vehicles.
1040
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,520
This is coming out
of your pilot plant.
1041
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,238
When will we see the real stuff
1042
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:42,120
coming out of an
industrial plant?
1043
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,700
Yes, there is a Keliber
project which
1044
00:51:44,712 --> 00:51:46,960
is under construction
in Finland,
1045
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,520
and it will start
up in mid-2025.
1046
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,800
That would be the first
lithium battery-grade quality
1047
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,000
we can produce in Europe.
1048
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:56,438
Yes, that's correct.
1049
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:59,320
In Europe,
we definitely need refineries.
1050
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:04,480
At this moment, we don't really
have any large-scale refineries.
1051
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,200
This is something,
we cannot continue like that.
1052
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,667
No, I guess this technology
1053
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:11,960
opens up the
possibility to do it
1054
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,920
in a sustainable manner also.
1055
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,640
You will be conquering
all of Europe?
1056
00:52:17,398 --> 00:52:20,358
At least, yes,
and the rest of the world.
1057
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,520
To complete a full European mine
to EV value chain,
1058
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,120
battery and car manufacturers
should also be included.
1059
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,120
In Serbia,
this scenario is unfolding.
1060
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,920
Car manufacturer
Stellantis plans
1061
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,160
to build its electric
Grande Panda in Serbia.
1062
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,200
Additionally, Serbian battery
manufacturer ElevenEs
1063
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,640
is prepared to open
new battery factories
1064
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,600
in the country when the
lithium mine is operational.
1065
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,960
It means a revolution in
economic growth in the country.
1066
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,040
Actually, this product you see
here is the first LFP battery
1067
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
made in Europe
several years ago.
1068
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,720
It's lithium-iron-phosphate,
1069
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,720
which actually has
lithium carbonate in itself,
1070
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,440
which basically connects
the whole value chain.
1071
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,720
Jadar will produce the lithium
carbonate for your batteries?
1072
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,640
That's the hope for the future,
that we have everything local
1073
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,640
and that we basically have
the first LFP value chain
1074
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,080
outside of Asia,
present in Europe.
1075
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,517
Since now you are dependent on
1076
00:53:25,529 --> 00:53:27,080
China for your
lithium carbonate?
1077
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,560
That's correct, today everything
is basically coming from China
1078
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,840
because it's a single market
where everything is created
1079
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,040
from the raw materials
1080
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,320
but it's about
to change in the next years.
1081
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,840
We have to be smart about it.
1082
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,080
If we do the right things,
1083
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:41,582
we will have one of the largest
1084
00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:43,280
economic opportunities
of our lifetime.
1085
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,440
How many jobs
are we talking about in Serbia?
1086
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,260
We're talking
about 20,000 jobs.
1087
00:53:47,272 --> 00:53:48,200
Twenty thousand?
1088
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,156
20,000 new jobs
to be created only
1089
00:53:50,168 --> 00:53:52,080
by the battery
value chain industry.
1090
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:53,838
Let's not forget,
it's supporting
1091
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:55,560
the transition to
climate neutrality.
1092
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,440
It's absolutely the essence
of climate neutrality.
1093
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560
As you know, this will
not only be used in cars,
1094
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,600
this thing will be
used in buses, in
1095
00:54:03,612 --> 00:54:05,440
trucks, in construction
machinery,
1096
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,320
in your home, in storage,
in large industrial solar parks.
1097
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:11,520
It's the central item
1098
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,600
of the energy storage revolution
we're about to face.
1099
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:23,320
How much material do you
need to produce one EV battery?
1100
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,160
In this kind of quarry,
1101
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,346
you need around one
meter by one meter,
1102
00:54:29,358 --> 00:54:32,360
and then two meters,
two cubic meters.
1103
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,320
Then it's around
six tons of material.
1104
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,118
6,000 kilograms of
rock for one battery.
1105
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:41,240
One battery.
1106
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,921
That is Europe's
lithium paradox, we
1107
00:54:43,933 --> 00:54:46,000
have it but we don't
seem to mine it.
1108
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,880
Yes, it's like that.
1109
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,200
I think that there was a wrong
communication at some point
1110
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,280
that people don't understand
1111
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,920
that, Europe importing
from China,
1112
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:03,040
it's not an obligation, we
can do it ourselves in Europe,
1113
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:06,720
from mining to the
complete lithium value chain.
1114
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,760
The people look at a white rock
and they see a problem.
1115
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,824
I see this white
rock as a solution
1116
00:55:13,836 --> 00:55:15,960
for the interior of Portugal.
1117
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,999
Clearly, Europe
has the technology
1118
00:55:20,024 --> 00:55:22,573
to mine, refine,
and recycle lithium.
1119
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,440
But the clock is ticking.
1120
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,440
The Chinese are not holding back
in the supply chain.
1121
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,320
Climate change
is spiralling out of control.
1122
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,383
We need to act fast,
while at the
1123
00:55:33,408 --> 00:55:36,293
same time respect
local communities
1124
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:38,360
to be part of this storyline.
1125
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,219
We need to make haste slowly.
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