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- I'm nobody.
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I'm a tramp, a bum, a hobo.
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I'm a boxcar
and a jug of wine.
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You think that my mind is
like your mind, but it isn't.
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There's no need
to feel guilty.
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I haven't done anything
I'm ashamed of.
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Because we're outlaws.
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Yeah, when you're in war,
you're in war, mister.
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Believe me, if I started
murdering people,
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there'd be none of you left.
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- Friday night
in Los Angeles,
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a movie actress and four
of her friends were murdered.
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The circumstances were lurid.
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- In a scene described
by one investigator
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as reminiscent of
a weird religious rite...
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- This was at the home of
movie director Roman Polanski.
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It was his wife...
- Eight months pregnant.
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- ...who was one
of the victims.
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- Bodies were
scattered inside,
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on the lawn and the driveway.
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- The others were
a male hairdresser,
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the heiress to
a coffee fortune, a writer,
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and a boy just out
of high school.
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- A scene more tragic
than any horror movie.
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- Stunned the city
and shocked the world.
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- In all my years
I have never seen anything
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like this before.
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- You all know it?
- No.
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- At 8:30 this morning,
Winifred Chapman,
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an employee,
came to work at 10050 Cielo
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and found several bodies
in the house,
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and immediately the police
were notified.
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The tentative identification
of the persons are as follows.
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Sharon Polanski,
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Jay Sebring,
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Wojciech Frykowski,
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Abigail Folger,
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and another man
who is unknown.
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- Where were the bodies found?
All in one room?
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- No, two of the bodies
were found inside the house,
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one in a vehicle,
and two on the front lawn.
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- We understand she was
pregnant, is that correct?
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- Yes, she is pregnant, but
I'm not going to discuss how--
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- Were any of the bodies
badly mutilated?
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- This I'd rather
not discuss.
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- Was there anything scrawled
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on the front door
of that house in blood?
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- I can't answer
that question.
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- Do you have
any kind of an idea
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of who might have done it?
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Do you have any kind of
APBs out, any suspects at all?
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- No, the only person we have
at this time is Mr. Garretson,
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whom we are questioning,
because he was on the premises
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this morning
when the maid arrived.
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- Why is this case more
complicated than other cases
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that you can't comment?
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What's the difference
in this case?
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- Well, how many cases
and how many times do you have
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five persons that are found
murdered at the same time?
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- ♪ Around, around
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- Living is what scares me.
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Dying is easy.
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- And a short time later,
not far away,
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a middle-aged couple
was found murdered
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in similar circumstances.
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- The latest murders were
discovered during the night.
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The bodies of a man and his
wife found in their home.
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Leno LaBianca,
a supermarket owner,
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and his wife had both
been stabbed to death,
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repeated stab wounds.
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On his body, the word "war"
had been carved in the chest.
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Then, with blood, the killer
had scrawled the words
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"death to pigs."
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- Oh my God,
it's happened again.
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- The slaughter
of innocent people.
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- That set off a panic state
in Los Angeles.
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- People locked
their doors at night.
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People started
arming themselves.
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- We thought
she was a British star.
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Come to find out,
she's an American all the time.
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A beautiful young lady you're
gonna be hearing a lot from.
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She's in London filming
"The Vampire Killers,"
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a new film by director
Roman Polanski.
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Sharon Tate
is the young lady's name.
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- I was born
in Dallas, Texas.
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- And lived all of your life
in America?
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- Not really, I lived
in Italy for four years.
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- Why was that?
- My dad's in the Army.
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- An Army brat made good, huh?
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- Yeah, I try.
- Oh, that's great.
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And now you have
a monster movie.
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- And now--not really.
- What's it called?
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- It's called "The Vampire
Killers," Roman Polanski.
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- Sharon?
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Sharon?
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Looking at him,
not at me, okay?
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- Looking at the husband?
- Yeah.
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- You know, uh--
- Yeah.
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- Quiet in the back.
- Turnover.
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- During that period
when I was in London,
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I remember an instant
when I was thinking,
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"I'm happy now and
I don't want anything else."
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- London: two top film
folk got spliced,
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and the present public
turned out in force.
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He is Polish-born director
Roman Polanski.
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She's American
actress Sharon Tate.
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And the huge public interest
their wedding created
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shows that the magic
of motion pictures
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is as strong today as ever.
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After the ceremony
at Chelsea Registry Office,
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the mini-gowned bride
and the mod-geared mate
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made for the Playboy Club
and a star-studded reception.
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Bunnies lavished champagne
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on some of the top names
in show business.
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Michael Caine
keeping company
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with very dishy
Candice Bergen.
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The bride will keep working.
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Hubby says he wants
a hippie, not a housewife.
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That was the only serious
note of the day.
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Tony Newley got the star
set really shaking.
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- California.
Mean temperature 73 degrees.
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The sun that never quits.
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It acts on the unburned
hydrocarbons
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and oxides of nitrogen
from auto exhaust.
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Los Angeles County,
with four million cars
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and the odd bike suffers most
because it's in a basin.
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The breezes are balmy.
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There's nothing to stir up
that brown cloud
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that can make
your eyes tear.
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85% of it attributed to cars.
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The more general effect, our whole climate is warming up
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because there's so much
carbon dioxide in the air.
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It's so heavy that it prevents
the radiation of heat
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from the Earth's surface.
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Ahh, breathe in, city folk.
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- ♪ Don't do
anything illegal ♪
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♪ Beware of the eagle
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♪ That's right
in the middle of your back ♪
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♪ Don't be illegal ♪
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♪ They got
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♪ You in a sack
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♪ They got you in a sack ♪
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♪ And they keep you
looking back ♪
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♪ Don't do anything illegal
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♪ Beware of the eagle
that's got you by the neck ♪
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- This is where they lived,
among the stables, barns,
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and phony buildings
of an old,
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run-down movie location
20 miles from Los Angeles.
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They called themselves
"The Family."
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- ♪ I gotta see your ID
my friend ♪
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♪ I gotta see
where you begin ♪
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♪ I gotta see your ID
my friend ♪
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- Back and forth,
lugging their sleeping bags.
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They just lived anywhere
they felt like it.
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With they're family.
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- They were constantly
taking dope,
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and they just
sit around all day
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and sleep and got loaded.
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- Police said they were
a pseudo-religious cult.
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The family's leader,
Charles Manson--
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- He's a good person.
A very good person.
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He's got a lot of peace.
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- He was introduced to us
as their idol and leader,
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and he was always
interested in music.
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And everywhere he went, some
of the girls kinda followed him
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and laughed and talk and sang.
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- Well, when I first met him,
the man talked to me,
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and he says,
"Why don't you come up?"
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"and the rules are that,
you know, there is no rules."
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"You just look at it,
and just be beautiful with it,
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and it's just
beautiful to you."
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- Yeah.
- You know, and I love him.
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- His so-called power, which is-it only lies in his happiness.
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That's what attracts people
is he's completely happy.
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- And warm.
- Gentle.
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He dances, he sings,
he looks beautiful,
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he looks happy,
and this draws a lot of people,
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just like people
are drawn to little babies.
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- That's all there is,
that's all there is,
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is brothers and sisters,
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and Charles Manson
is your brother.
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- Morning.
- Why?
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- Sun's shining this morning.
- It is.
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- Yeah.
- Well, what are your plans?
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- I have none.
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Going to the desert.
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- Desert?
- Yeah.
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- So you were 14, 15, 16
during that time?
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- I met him when I was 14.
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He was kind of impish
and playful, you know?
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He could be funny.
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He was in the circle
playing music,
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and he got up and
offered me his root beer,
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and gave me a big hug,
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and "Come,
join us in the circle."
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We, you know,
"We've been waiting for you."
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It just all ended up seeming,
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you know, like providence
or something.
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Spahn Ranch had been a movie
set for lots of westerns.
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And when we first saw it,
that's what it was.
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It was kind of
a run-down movie set.
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The corral was way to the left
and there was a big barn.
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There was the jail
and there was a big saloon.
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But there were
rooms behind them.
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And then there was
the kitchen.
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There was a band of, like,
we called them outlaw shacks.
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And then all the way to
the right was George's house.
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He was blind,
and it definitely showed.
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You know, the house was
in as bad disrepair as,
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you know, the facade.
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It needed paint,
inside and out.
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And we cleaned.
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You know, there was always
tons of sweeping to do.
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We mucked out the stalls.
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And we helped out
in the corral.
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We helped rent the horses.
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There were trails all over for
riding horses into the hills
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where all
the fabulous rocks are.
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We got high.
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Obviously, we got high.
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You know, I could just
remember dancing together
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and just, you know,
maybe cooking.
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Helms Bakery would come by
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and give us their day-old
stuff at the ranch.
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And Charlie introduced us
to dumpster diving
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behind the grocery stores.
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We had our favorite ones,
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because they had better food
that they threw out.
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You know, in the beginning,
it was different.
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I mean, there was just like
six of us girls.
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Mary was pretty reserved,
actually.
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You know,
she was very quiet.
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Mary really was like
the matriarch of the Family.
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I think Mary probably
a little bit resented,
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you know, like all of us did,
sharing Charlie.
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Patty Krenwinkel
was just like Mother Earth,
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I mean, she was just
one of the sweetest, humblest,
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most nurturing girls
in the Family.
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Leslie, she was just like
a giggly high schooler.
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I viewed her
as a little hottie,
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and I hadn't been
to high school.
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She'd been like
a homecoming queen,
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and she really
came off like that.
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Sandy was very smart,
but she was very needy.
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You got that sense
that she was entitled.
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She has remained
one of Charlie's
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most ardent followers.
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Susan Atkins was definitely
more worldly.
249
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She'd been a stripper, maybe
she'd even been a sex worker.
250
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You know, she'd been
around the block.
251
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Gypsy came to the Family
at Spahn Ranch.
252
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Gypsy liked that lifestyle.
253
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She was playful.
She played the violin.
254
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She was definitely
a true hippie.
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I was closest
to, really, Lynette.
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Lynette was kind of
looking out after George.
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Lynette was really the closest
confidante to Charlie.
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He confided more in her
than anybody.
259
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And I think that Charlie
played a different role
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for each one of us.
261
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I was falling
under Charlie's spell.
262
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- We were in a group marriage
with all the lines blurred.
263
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We were brothers, sisters,
264
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mothers, fathers, lovers,
everything to each other.
265
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One of the reasons
we were pulled to Charlie
266
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was because
he was a musician.
267
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All of us wanted
to be musicians,
268
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and that's what we did every
single night is play music.
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- ♪ Walking all alone
not going anywhere ♪
270
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♪ Walking all alone
and nobody seemed to care ♪
271
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♪ Restless as the wind,
this town is killing me ♪
272
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♪ Got to put an end
to this restless misery ♪
273
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- Usually we'd get
in the circle,
274
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and Charlie would
administer the acid,
275
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like a sacrament, almost.
276
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Taking LSD, you can see
the trees growing.
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I mean, you just
really feel like at one
278
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with the Earth
and the universe.
279
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I mean,
you just kind of like,
280
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everything starts
making more sense.
281
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And then at some point,
282
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he would orchestrate
a love-in,
283
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you know, an orgy,
for lack of a better word.
284
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I mean, we didn't think
of it as an orgy,
285
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but that's really what it was.
286
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We were dependent
upon each other.
287
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He didn't want us to think
about our families.
288
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Forget your parents.
289
00:17:49,001 --> 00:17:50,568
You know,
get rid of your inhibitions.
290
00:17:50,612 --> 00:17:53,571
You know, what the outside
society says is wrong.
291
00:17:53,615 --> 00:17:56,008
You know, we're going
in the right direction.
292
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- ♪ Hey Miss High and Mighty
293
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♪ I've had all I can take
294
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♪ Walking right on by me
295
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♪ That's your last mistake ♪
296
00:18:21,817 --> 00:18:25,647
♪ I've got to find
myself some action ♪
297
00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:28,606
♪ Before I lose my mind
298
00:18:28,650 --> 00:18:31,261
- This is Hollywood,
the most famous,
299
00:18:31,305 --> 00:18:33,350
the most glamorous place
in the world.
300
00:18:33,394 --> 00:18:36,179
It's a place of dreams,
hopes, and riches.
301
00:18:36,223 --> 00:18:39,008
Let's go Hollywood backstage
and see this unique
302
00:18:39,051 --> 00:18:41,967
and fascinating place
called Hollywood.
303
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,932
- The Hollywood scene
was quite a vibrant scene.
304
00:18:50,585 --> 00:18:53,849
It was a period when
the Beach Boys were very big,
305
00:18:53,892 --> 00:18:56,068
Buffalo Springfield,
the Byrds.
306
00:18:56,112 --> 00:18:59,507
They were all coming up fast.
They were all big.
307
00:19:00,203 --> 00:19:01,813
The scene in the nightclubs
308
00:19:01,857 --> 00:19:05,077
was a crazy mélange
of characters
309
00:19:05,121 --> 00:19:06,644
from the rock and roll world
310
00:19:06,688 --> 00:19:08,690
and characters
from the underworld.
311
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,651
You could see the celebrities
hanging out
312
00:19:13,695 --> 00:19:18,265
at Jack Hanson's Daisy Club
in Beverly Hills.
313
00:19:18,700 --> 00:19:24,009
Jack Hanson and his wife,
Sally, designed Jack Slacks.
314
00:19:24,053 --> 00:19:26,011
- Hollywood is the place
315
00:19:26,055 --> 00:19:28,492
where women
started wearing pants,
316
00:19:28,536 --> 00:19:31,016
led by Marlene Dietrich
in the '30s.
317
00:19:31,060 --> 00:19:34,368
Slacks are now an accepted
item of feminine apparel.
318
00:19:34,411 --> 00:19:36,674
But at Jack's
of Beverly Hills,
319
00:19:36,718 --> 00:19:39,764
they achieve
a new, impressive status.
320
00:19:39,808 --> 00:19:43,203
- He could make women,
particularly actresses,
321
00:19:43,246 --> 00:19:46,249
look sleek and sexy.
322
00:19:46,293 --> 00:19:48,077
Jack made a lot
of money from it,
323
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:50,558
and he opened his own club.
324
00:19:50,601 --> 00:19:53,038
You didn't apply
for membership to Jack's.
325
00:19:53,082 --> 00:19:55,127
You were invited to join.
326
00:19:55,171 --> 00:19:59,262
Steve McQueen, Roman Polanski
there with Sharon Tate.
327
00:19:59,306 --> 00:20:01,351
Then of course,
there was Jay Sebring,
328
00:20:01,395 --> 00:20:03,788
who earned huge
amounts of money
329
00:20:03,832 --> 00:20:07,227
for giving a movie star
a haircut.
330
00:20:08,402 --> 00:20:09,968
And they could go wild,
331
00:20:10,012 --> 00:20:12,057
and they could know
that no paparazzi
332
00:20:12,101 --> 00:20:14,451
would take their picture.
333
00:20:14,495 --> 00:20:16,714
Drugs were being used.
334
00:20:16,758 --> 00:20:18,803
If you saw it,
you didn't talk about it.
335
00:20:19,804 --> 00:20:22,590
Many stars were
probably looking
336
00:20:22,633 --> 00:20:24,592
for a little bit
of an extra kick,
337
00:20:24,635 --> 00:20:28,291
so anybody with kind of
a rough reputation
338
00:20:28,335 --> 00:20:30,424
might have been adopted
into the scene.
339
00:20:44,133 --> 00:20:47,092
- They're doing this movie
in Topanga Canyon,
340
00:20:47,136 --> 00:20:49,181
just a stupid nudie cutie,
341
00:20:49,225 --> 00:20:52,750
and they want a bunch of girls
that can look like Indians.
342
00:20:52,794 --> 00:20:54,926
I read for them,
and they said,
343
00:20:54,970 --> 00:20:59,104
"We'd like to offer you
one of the main roles."
344
00:20:59,148 --> 00:21:02,543
So that was "Ramrodder."
345
00:21:05,067 --> 00:21:08,113
I show up,
and just a little ways off
346
00:21:08,157 --> 00:21:11,987
I see this stunningly
handsome young man.
347
00:21:13,684 --> 00:21:18,341
And he came over, and he got
really, really close,
348
00:21:18,385 --> 00:21:22,606
and he said,
"I'm your love interest."
349
00:21:22,650 --> 00:21:25,827
And he said, "Do you mind
if I get a preview?"
350
00:21:28,046 --> 00:21:30,962
He lifted my top and goes,
351
00:21:31,006 --> 00:21:33,965
"Perfect,
just like I thought."
352
00:21:34,009 --> 00:21:37,317
Turned around and said,
"I'll see you later."
353
00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:38,883
And that's how I met Bobby.
354
00:21:45,020 --> 00:21:48,850
- Topanga was laid back
compared to Los Angeles.
355
00:21:48,893 --> 00:21:51,156
You had the feeling that
you were out in the country,
356
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,030
even though it was
fairly close to civilization.
357
00:21:57,032 --> 00:22:00,165
The first time I met Charlie
was down in the Topanga Canyon
358
00:22:00,209 --> 00:22:01,341
where it meets the highway.
359
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:07,651
I heard music coming
from this old wooden house.
360
00:22:07,695 --> 00:22:10,001
I went up
the spiral staircase.
361
00:22:10,045 --> 00:22:13,048
There was a guy in a plaid
shirt singing, playing guitar.
362
00:22:14,571 --> 00:22:16,486
I started playing
this little instrument
363
00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:18,009
I found on the table,
364
00:22:18,053 --> 00:22:20,403
and just did the best
I could to fit in
365
00:22:20,447 --> 00:22:22,536
with the man who was singing,
366
00:22:22,579 --> 00:22:26,061
who I was later introduced
to as Charlie.
367
00:22:27,715 --> 00:22:30,195
After I moved into Topanga,
368
00:22:30,239 --> 00:22:32,633
I wanted to try to get
some jobs playing guitar.
369
00:22:33,285 --> 00:22:36,376
One day I did get a call
from the bass player
370
00:22:36,419 --> 00:22:38,378
in a band called
The Milky Way.
371
00:22:38,421 --> 00:22:42,077
The band was built around the
songs that Charlie was doing.
372
00:22:42,773 --> 00:22:46,211
We played at the Topanga Corral I think two nights
373
00:22:46,255 --> 00:22:48,779
or three nights
before we were fired.
374
00:22:50,172 --> 00:22:52,392
I wasn't gonna
join his commune.
375
00:22:52,435 --> 00:22:54,219
I had no interest in that,
376
00:22:54,263 --> 00:22:56,961
but he is a person,
as a musician,
377
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,311
I did have an interest in.
378
00:22:59,355 --> 00:23:01,618
I thought he was
worth investing
379
00:23:01,662 --> 00:23:03,925
a little of myself in.
380
00:23:05,056 --> 00:23:09,931
It was enough of an interest
to me that I kept coming back.
381
00:23:34,477 --> 00:23:35,783
- ♪ Pretty girl
382
00:23:37,175 --> 00:23:40,440
- A couple of girls
met Dennis Wilson.
383
00:23:40,483 --> 00:23:42,093
He picked 'em up hitchhiking,
384
00:23:42,137 --> 00:23:44,835
and they introduced him
to Charlie.
385
00:23:44,879 --> 00:23:48,273
- ♪ Cease to exist
386
00:23:48,317 --> 00:23:51,102
♪ Just come
and say you love me ♪
387
00:23:51,146 --> 00:23:53,583
- I think the two must have
hit it off.
388
00:23:53,627 --> 00:23:55,150
Suddenly we were, like,
living there.
389
00:23:56,630 --> 00:24:00,024
- Give up your world ♪
390
00:24:00,068 --> 00:24:03,637
♪ Never learn
not to love you ♪
391
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,206
- When we first drove
into Dennis Wilson's estate,
392
00:24:08,250 --> 00:24:10,382
there was peacocks
roaming around
393
00:24:10,426 --> 00:24:12,863
and big eucalyptus trees,
394
00:24:12,907 --> 00:24:17,041
and just a rambling log home
with a lot of glass.
395
00:24:19,870 --> 00:24:22,003
It was really beautiful.
396
00:24:24,527 --> 00:24:26,834
There was a guest house.
397
00:24:29,184 --> 00:24:31,012
Big swimming pool.
398
00:24:37,366 --> 00:24:41,196
Just a beautiful place,
the inside, huge fireplace.
399
00:24:41,239 --> 00:24:44,242
Fireplace that
you could walk into.
400
00:24:46,201 --> 00:24:49,552
Charlie was teaching Dennis
how to play the guitar,
401
00:24:49,596 --> 00:24:55,645
and Dennis welcomed Charlie
and us girls into his home,
402
00:24:55,689 --> 00:24:59,649
and we would take his Rolls
Royce and go dumpster diving.
403
00:24:59,693 --> 00:25:01,825
We made food,
and he was impressed.
404
00:25:01,869 --> 00:25:04,828
I remember making the
strawberry cake, you know?
405
00:25:04,872 --> 00:25:07,527
And he was like,
"Wow, this came out of a--"
406
00:25:07,570 --> 00:25:09,529
You know, "This came out
of a dumpster?"
407
00:25:11,487 --> 00:25:13,184
He would introduce Charlie
408
00:25:13,228 --> 00:25:16,100
to his other musician friends
with pride.
409
00:25:16,144 --> 00:25:19,190
- Common people,
man, so...
410
00:25:19,234 --> 00:25:23,020
- Both Terry Melcher
and Gregg Jakobson came
411
00:25:23,064 --> 00:25:26,546
and listened to Charlie
play the guitar and sing.
412
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:29,940
- Dennis called me up
and was very excited,
413
00:25:29,984 --> 00:25:31,420
and said, "Come on,
you've got to meet this guy
414
00:25:31,463 --> 00:25:33,553
and these girls,"
and he went on and on.
415
00:25:33,596 --> 00:25:37,600
And sure enough, it was
quite an interesting scene.
416
00:25:37,644 --> 00:25:39,384
Everybody was having
a good time,
417
00:25:39,428 --> 00:25:41,299
drinking beer,
smoking a joint.
418
00:25:41,343 --> 00:25:43,563
Girls were in
the swimming pool.
419
00:25:44,607 --> 00:25:47,392
Charlie was inside,
and he was very demanding.
420
00:25:47,436 --> 00:25:49,917
He did garner your attention.
421
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,875
He was
a fascinating character.
422
00:25:51,919 --> 00:25:53,398
He was really interesting.
423
00:25:53,442 --> 00:25:55,226
- If you had a camera,
I could dance.
424
00:25:55,270 --> 00:25:57,881
- Dennis used to call
Charlie "the Wizard."
425
00:25:57,925 --> 00:26:01,102
He really thought
that Charlie was magical.
426
00:26:01,145 --> 00:26:03,452
In the beginning,
he was really enamored by him.
427
00:26:03,495 --> 00:26:06,063
- I wrote about a couple
hundred songs, you know?
428
00:26:06,107 --> 00:26:11,591
- Dennis had an affinity
for finding the waifs
429
00:26:11,634 --> 00:26:13,723
and people
that seemed to be misfits.
430
00:26:13,767 --> 00:26:16,247
They would all seem
to find him.
431
00:26:16,291 --> 00:26:19,642
That's where Charlie Manson
came into the scene.
432
00:26:19,686 --> 00:26:22,514
He was one
of Dennis's projects.
433
00:26:22,558 --> 00:26:25,256
- Huh?
Yeah, well, I mean, you know--
434
00:26:25,300 --> 00:26:29,826
- He wasn't a friend of mine,
but I knew him.
435
00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:33,090
And he would find
the places that we were,
436
00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:35,919
and he would just be there.
437
00:26:35,963 --> 00:26:38,443
I just thought he was
a seedy little character,
438
00:26:38,487 --> 00:26:41,446
and I just, you know,
and he also didn't bathe.
439
00:26:41,490 --> 00:26:42,970
And none of those people did.
440
00:26:43,013 --> 00:26:45,755
And so you knew
he was there a block away,
441
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:48,453
just, you know,
'cause that's who he was.
442
00:26:48,497 --> 00:26:50,760
- The smartest people
in the world
443
00:26:50,804 --> 00:26:52,980
are really the most cut off.
444
00:26:54,329 --> 00:26:56,940
- And he would make you
listen to this guy,
445
00:26:56,984 --> 00:26:58,942
and people were doing it
to humor Dennis,
446
00:26:58,986 --> 00:27:00,770
or because of who he was,
447
00:27:00,814 --> 00:27:02,816
people were giving him
the respect.
448
00:27:02,859 --> 00:27:05,383
- Take all the words away
449
00:27:05,427 --> 00:27:06,994
and don't think
in right and wrong.
450
00:27:07,037 --> 00:27:10,562
Just think in truth
and all the answers are there.
451
00:27:10,606 --> 00:27:12,303
The weirdest thing was
452
00:27:12,347 --> 00:27:14,697
first the parties
were in the guest house,
453
00:27:14,741 --> 00:27:16,960
and this Manson and his crew
would be there.
454
00:27:17,004 --> 00:27:19,571
And then it
kind of flipped itself,
455
00:27:19,615 --> 00:27:22,966
and Dennis moved those people
into his house,
456
00:27:23,010 --> 00:27:26,491
and he stayed in the guest
house on his own property.
457
00:27:26,535 --> 00:27:31,409
So, for some reason, Charlie
was able to manipulate him.
458
00:27:31,453 --> 00:27:33,020
- Oh, yeah, this'll make
you some money.
459
00:27:33,063 --> 00:27:34,717
This is a money song, yeah.
460
00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:37,154
- Charles had convinced him
that the music
461
00:27:37,198 --> 00:27:38,982
that he was playing was good,
462
00:27:39,026 --> 00:27:41,506
and that he was
gonna be a superstar,
463
00:27:41,550 --> 00:27:44,379
and so I guess Dennis
went along with it,
464
00:27:44,422 --> 00:27:47,164
I guess, and tried
introducing him to people,
465
00:27:47,208 --> 00:27:49,993
and to try to get him
a record deal and all of that.
466
00:27:50,037 --> 00:27:51,908
- You do whatever
you feel, man.
467
00:27:51,952 --> 00:27:53,214
- Yeah, well, then I won't--
I won't do--
468
00:27:53,257 --> 00:27:54,563
- You know, whatever comes
in your mind.
469
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,696
- Yeah, all right.
- I'm just sitting here,
470
00:27:56,739 --> 00:27:58,523
gonna groove with you
for the next hour and a half,
471
00:27:58,567 --> 00:27:59,829
or hour and 45--
472
00:27:59,873 --> 00:28:02,005
- We went to Brian Wilson's
473
00:28:02,049 --> 00:28:05,705
to a session that they were
gonna record maybe a demo.
474
00:28:06,575 --> 00:28:09,056
- Let's see, hmm-hm.
475
00:28:10,274 --> 00:28:14,975
♪ There's a time for living
476
00:28:15,627 --> 00:28:20,720
♪ The time keeps on flying ♪
477
00:28:21,329 --> 00:28:24,071
♪ Think you're loving baby ♪
478
00:28:24,114 --> 00:28:27,030
♪ And all you're doing
is crying ♪
479
00:28:27,074 --> 00:28:31,208
♪ Can you feel
are those feelings real ♪
480
00:28:31,252 --> 00:28:34,255
♪ Look at your game, girl
481
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:39,739
♪ Look at your game, girl
482
00:28:39,782 --> 00:28:43,612
♪ What a sad, sad game
483
00:28:43,655 --> 00:28:47,094
♪ Mad game
484
00:28:48,791 --> 00:28:52,273
♪ Sad game
485
00:29:11,118 --> 00:29:13,250
- Summer was coming
to an end.
486
00:29:13,294 --> 00:29:14,599
At some point,
Dennis would have to leave.
487
00:29:14,643 --> 00:29:16,297
The Beach Boys
were gonna go on the road.
488
00:29:17,994 --> 00:29:21,041
And that's when things
would start to fall apart.
489
00:29:22,303 --> 00:29:24,479
I remember at one point
Dennis is gone,
490
00:29:24,522 --> 00:29:26,655
One of the accountants
for Dennis says,
491
00:29:26,698 --> 00:29:31,486
"You have a $1,200
Alta Dena Dairy bill."
492
00:29:32,356 --> 00:29:33,836
They were
charging everything.
493
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,707
They would--The Alta Dena
Dairy man would, like,
494
00:29:35,751 --> 00:29:38,275
be unloading his truck
there at the place.
495
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,800
So that started
to play on Dennis.
496
00:29:41,148 --> 00:29:43,628
He didn't want people
to take advantage of him,
497
00:29:43,672 --> 00:29:46,370
nobody does, and that became
more and more apparent
498
00:29:46,414 --> 00:29:48,503
that that's
what was going on.
499
00:29:49,373 --> 00:29:51,375
That was, maybe more
than anything else,
500
00:29:51,419 --> 00:29:53,813
the formal beginning
of the split,
501
00:29:53,856 --> 00:29:55,815
of going their separate ways.
502
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:59,644
He was gonna go away
for two weeks, on the road,
503
00:29:59,688 --> 00:30:01,168
and he said, "Gregg,
can you get me out of here?
504
00:30:01,211 --> 00:30:02,996
Can you find a house for me?"
505
00:30:03,387 --> 00:30:05,694
So, literally, I hired
a moving company
506
00:30:05,737 --> 00:30:08,349
to take Dennis's personal
stuff out of there.
507
00:30:10,264 --> 00:30:12,309
And the whole idea
was to not let
508
00:30:12,353 --> 00:30:13,876
the girls and Charlie know.
509
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,965
He was really trying
to divorce himself from that.
510
00:30:16,009 --> 00:30:17,662
He was really done with it.
511
00:30:17,706 --> 00:30:19,577
all: We want the Beach Boys!
512
00:30:19,621 --> 00:30:22,885
We want the Beach Boys!
We want the Beach Boys!
513
00:30:37,247 --> 00:30:41,861
- In 1967, '68 and '69,
514
00:30:43,036 --> 00:30:46,517
we had bigotry,
racial prejudice.
515
00:30:49,607 --> 00:30:52,828
And there were race riots
in every major American city.
516
00:30:53,437 --> 00:30:55,526
- The simple fact is this.
517
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:59,095
We are in the worst crisis we
have known since the Civil War.
518
00:30:59,139 --> 00:31:00,531
And time is running short
519
00:31:00,575 --> 00:31:02,794
to try to find
some answers to it.
520
00:31:07,234 --> 00:31:09,236
This was the image
of the negro revolution
521
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:11,194
only a few years ago.
522
00:31:11,238 --> 00:31:14,110
Negro and white,
side by side.
523
00:31:14,154 --> 00:31:16,373
Patient negroes.
524
00:31:16,417 --> 00:31:19,202
The violence we saw was quite.
525
00:31:19,246 --> 00:31:21,204
We saw negroes hosed
and beaten,
526
00:31:21,248 --> 00:31:22,945
harassed with dogs.
527
00:31:24,991 --> 00:31:28,385
Then, abruptly, shatteringly,
the images were different.
528
00:31:28,429 --> 00:31:32,737
"Burn, baby, burn" drowned out
"We shall overcome."
529
00:31:40,267 --> 00:31:42,660
- America is shocked
and saddened
530
00:31:42,704 --> 00:31:48,449
by the brutal slaying tonight
of Dr. Martin Luther King.
531
00:31:48,492 --> 00:31:54,846
I ask every citizen to reject
the blind violence
532
00:31:54,890 --> 00:31:58,067
that has struck Dr. King.
533
00:31:58,111 --> 00:32:00,417
- When the racists
shot Martin Luther King,
534
00:32:00,461 --> 00:32:02,767
the bullet that killed him
killed non-violence.
535
00:32:02,811 --> 00:32:06,075
- During rebellions, brother,
you got to stop looting
536
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:07,772
and start shooting.
537
00:32:07,816 --> 00:32:08,948
Black power, brothers.
538
00:32:08,991 --> 00:32:10,688
- Black power!
539
00:32:10,732 --> 00:32:13,256
- Charlie Manson thought
black people were inferior,
540
00:32:13,300 --> 00:32:15,345
but he also feared them.
541
00:32:15,389 --> 00:32:19,132
He began by being afraid
of the black Muslims in prison.
542
00:32:21,003 --> 00:32:24,572
So what Charlie talks about
is a race war's coming.
543
00:32:25,355 --> 00:32:29,098
- The call was for violence,
and it filled the air,
544
00:32:29,142 --> 00:32:31,318
it seemed, everywhere.
545
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,711
I saw myself reflected
546
00:32:33,755 --> 00:32:36,584
in the wildness
of their hopes and stares.
547
00:32:39,326 --> 00:32:43,156
- We have been too non-violent!
Too non-violent!
548
00:32:43,199 --> 00:32:45,810
- You are either for it
or you are against it.
549
00:32:45,854 --> 00:32:50,772
- There is no such thing
as a non-violent revolution!
550
00:32:51,294 --> 00:32:53,209
- He was convincing them,
551
00:32:53,253 --> 00:32:56,125
they were either gonna be
murdered by the blacks,
552
00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:58,519
or the blacks
would make them slaves.
553
00:33:02,566 --> 00:33:05,134
The problem for a guru
is if you promise
554
00:33:05,178 --> 00:33:06,744
that some great thing
is gonna happen
555
00:33:06,788 --> 00:33:09,399
and it doesn't, you've
let down your followers.
556
00:33:09,443 --> 00:33:11,880
You don't have
the magic after all.
557
00:33:11,923 --> 00:33:14,709
So you've got to do
the sleight of hand.
558
00:33:15,144 --> 00:33:18,495
He's playing them the Beatles'
"White Album" over and over,
559
00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:21,498
and "Hear the messages
the Beatles are sending us."
560
00:33:21,542 --> 00:33:24,153
"Blackbird"
works in very well,
561
00:33:24,197 --> 00:33:26,764
"Piggies"
works in very well.
562
00:33:26,808 --> 00:33:28,331
Then there's the song,
"Helter Skelter,"
563
00:33:28,375 --> 00:33:30,072
coming down fast.
564
00:33:32,205 --> 00:33:36,513
One of Charlie's basic creeds
is that there is no crime,
565
00:33:36,557 --> 00:33:40,430
there is no sin,
that it's all just a game,
566
00:33:40,474 --> 00:33:42,519
and that God's getting ready
567
00:33:42,563 --> 00:33:45,522
to pull down the curtain
on this game
568
00:33:45,566 --> 00:33:49,222
and start it over again
with his chosen people.
569
00:33:49,961 --> 00:33:51,789
And that when
Helter Skelter comes down,
570
00:33:51,833 --> 00:33:54,879
that the cities
are gonna be mass hysteria,
571
00:33:54,923 --> 00:33:56,707
and that the beast will fall,
572
00:33:56,751 --> 00:33:58,579
and the black man
will take over.
573
00:34:01,582 --> 00:34:03,540
- So what do you want to do?
You want to die,
574
00:34:03,584 --> 00:34:05,542
or do you want to come with me
and rule the world?
575
00:34:16,423 --> 00:34:19,121
- These communes undergo
a metamorphosis
576
00:34:19,165 --> 00:34:21,080
as this kind of culture
is established.
577
00:34:21,123 --> 00:34:24,648
I think it's rather benign,
but as it continues on,
578
00:34:24,692 --> 00:34:27,129
I think the degree
of criminality increases
579
00:34:27,173 --> 00:34:30,132
until the whole spectrum
of criminal activity
580
00:34:30,176 --> 00:34:32,613
is ultimately a result.
581
00:34:39,141 --> 00:34:41,230
- We'd been at Dennis's house.
582
00:34:41,274 --> 00:34:43,754
That had all,
you know, ended.
583
00:34:43,798 --> 00:34:48,542
Dennis had moved out, and then
we moved back to Spahn Ranch.
584
00:34:48,846 --> 00:34:51,675
And that's when things
585
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,115
started going a little,
little crazier.
586
00:34:59,814 --> 00:35:03,600
The recording thing had--
didn't go well with Dennis.
587
00:35:03,644 --> 00:35:06,777
And then they were still
kind of dangling a carrot,
588
00:35:06,821 --> 00:35:10,303
you know, to make a record,
and then that didn't happen.
589
00:35:10,346 --> 00:35:13,306
And after that,
590
00:35:13,349 --> 00:35:16,744
then all the energy
was about getting money.
591
00:35:19,312 --> 00:35:21,792
We got introduced
to the desert.
592
00:35:21,836 --> 00:35:24,621
Race war, the Helter Skelter
was gonna take place,
593
00:35:24,665 --> 00:35:26,841
and that this was gonna be
a hiding place.
594
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:32,455
Most of the people
on the Earth would be gone,
595
00:35:32,499 --> 00:35:35,066
and so he wanted
beautiful people
596
00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:38,157
to help repopulate and rule.
597
00:35:39,636 --> 00:35:43,205
And that's when I realized
everything had changed.
598
00:35:47,731 --> 00:35:51,822
The Straight Satans, the
motorcycle gang was involved,
599
00:35:51,866 --> 00:35:54,651
and there were knives,
and there were guns.
600
00:35:54,695 --> 00:35:57,001
They were
like a protection,
601
00:35:57,045 --> 00:36:00,875
and a provider of weapons.
602
00:36:04,052 --> 00:36:06,837
Danny DeCarlo was probably
like the leader,
603
00:36:06,881 --> 00:36:11,668
or the most vocal and
the most friendly with Charlie.
604
00:36:11,712 --> 00:36:13,670
- When did Charlie
start to change.
605
00:36:13,714 --> 00:36:16,195
Initially he
didn't like the guns.
606
00:36:16,238 --> 00:36:17,674
- A couple months,
607
00:36:17,718 --> 00:36:20,373
because at first
he wasn't into it, you know?
608
00:36:21,243 --> 00:36:23,202
When I first went to the
ranch, I brought everything.
609
00:36:23,245 --> 00:36:25,247
I brought my whole arsenal up.
610
00:36:25,291 --> 00:36:27,249
You know, I had three rifles,
I had a couple of handguns,
611
00:36:27,293 --> 00:36:28,903
I brought a machine gun
out there.
612
00:36:30,296 --> 00:36:31,906
He got that machine gun
like John Wayne,
613
00:36:31,949 --> 00:36:33,212
spray that thing
all over the place,
614
00:36:33,255 --> 00:36:35,039
and bullets went everywhere.
615
00:36:35,083 --> 00:36:36,737
It made him feel good.
616
00:36:38,086 --> 00:36:39,435
We had fun.
617
00:36:39,479 --> 00:36:41,350
We had fun shooting guns.
618
00:36:41,394 --> 00:36:43,396
Forgot about that.
I did.
619
00:36:43,439 --> 00:36:44,788
- Who was the best shot?
620
00:36:44,832 --> 00:36:46,529
- Sadie.
I'd say Sadie was.
621
00:36:46,573 --> 00:36:48,923
You know,
firing the machine gun.
622
00:36:48,966 --> 00:36:50,577
- Did she get off on that?
623
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:53,884
- Oh, everybody did.
I did too, watching them.
624
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,634
- Back at Spahn Ranch,
now they're really building up
625
00:37:04,678 --> 00:37:08,551
this kind of army,
you know, really,
626
00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:13,164
and trying to get money
to fund guns and gas,
627
00:37:13,208 --> 00:37:16,385
and the different vehicles.
628
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,102
- Charlie sent word to Bobby,
who was living in Hollywood,
629
00:37:38,146 --> 00:37:40,583
with his then-girlfriend
Kitty Lutesinger,
630
00:37:40,627 --> 00:37:43,020
to come help us get protected.
631
00:37:43,064 --> 00:37:44,805
So Bobby came on the ranch,
632
00:37:44,848 --> 00:37:46,633
and he hung out
with the bikers,
633
00:37:46,676 --> 00:37:48,461
and he got enthralled
with them.
634
00:37:48,504 --> 00:37:51,594
He thought, you know,
iron horses, freedom,
635
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:54,728
so he wanted
to be a prospect.
636
00:37:56,817 --> 00:37:59,776
- I really wanted to be
a part of it, you know?
637
00:37:59,820 --> 00:38:04,651
I was a wannabe and
I wanted to be accepted.
638
00:38:04,694 --> 00:38:07,131
I was building a bike,
I liked the lifestyle.
639
00:38:07,175 --> 00:38:08,959
The whole motorcycle culture,
640
00:38:09,003 --> 00:38:12,485
the biker culture represented
a kind of freedom
641
00:38:12,528 --> 00:38:14,791
that I longed for.
642
00:38:14,835 --> 00:38:18,665
I wanted to ingratiate
myself with the club.
643
00:38:18,708 --> 00:38:20,710
And when I heard
that they were looking
644
00:38:20,754 --> 00:38:22,799
to get some
sort of party drug,
645
00:38:22,843 --> 00:38:26,020
I offered to, you know,
score for them.
646
00:38:26,586 --> 00:38:28,675
The only guy I knew
who might have anything
647
00:38:28,718 --> 00:38:31,330
that would have been
of interest to them was Gary.
648
00:38:32,853 --> 00:38:35,812
After I left San Francisco
and went to L.A.,
649
00:38:35,856 --> 00:38:39,338
I met Gary Hinman,
who was a friend of a friend.
650
00:38:40,295 --> 00:38:44,647
He let me rent
for a very low rental fee
651
00:38:44,691 --> 00:38:47,911
the basement
of his little house.
652
00:38:48,825 --> 00:38:51,088
He had a baby grand piano
in the living room,
653
00:38:51,132 --> 00:38:54,875
which was also his bedroom
and also his library.
654
00:38:55,441 --> 00:38:58,835
He did teach piano
out at UCLA,
655
00:38:58,879 --> 00:39:01,534
played piano
for a dance troupe.
656
00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:07,017
- Gary loved music.
He loved books.
657
00:39:07,061 --> 00:39:09,890
He went on to pursue
a master's program.
658
00:39:11,282 --> 00:39:15,548
His mother was very proud
of his musical ability.
659
00:39:16,810 --> 00:39:19,378
He became involved
with Buddhism,
660
00:39:19,813 --> 00:39:21,684
and he and his parents
661
00:39:21,728 --> 00:39:25,514
were going to go to Japan
on a pilgrimage.
662
00:39:25,558 --> 00:39:27,864
His parents were paying
for the trip.
663
00:39:27,908 --> 00:39:30,084
He did not have
the money to do that.
664
00:39:31,738 --> 00:39:34,567
Gary was a gentle
human being.
665
00:39:36,177 --> 00:39:39,049
- Gary wasn't like
a real dealer by any means.
666
00:39:39,093 --> 00:39:40,703
He was just a guy
who sometimes
667
00:39:40,747 --> 00:39:42,705
helped to make ends meet
668
00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:45,273
by selling a little bit
of pot to his friends.
669
00:39:45,708 --> 00:39:48,102
Yeah, I did know
that Gary had some mescaline
670
00:39:48,145 --> 00:39:50,104
and Straight Satans
gave me some money
671
00:39:50,147 --> 00:39:51,714
to go score from Gary,
672
00:39:51,758 --> 00:39:54,108
and I went
and got mescaline for them.
673
00:39:54,804 --> 00:39:57,981
It was a really
stupid idea on my part
674
00:39:58,025 --> 00:40:00,157
that mescaline would be
a good thing
675
00:40:00,201 --> 00:40:02,682
to give to some bikers
for a party.
676
00:40:04,161 --> 00:40:08,165
They came back to me
and confronted me,
677
00:40:08,209 --> 00:40:10,472
saying that they thought
it was bunk.
678
00:40:10,516 --> 00:40:12,735
Some of the guys
had gotten sick on it.
679
00:40:12,779 --> 00:40:15,129
If guys are drinking beer
and popping red devils,
680
00:40:15,172 --> 00:40:17,261
they take mescaline
on top of that,
681
00:40:17,305 --> 00:40:19,133
yeah, they're gonna get sick.
682
00:40:20,047 --> 00:40:23,267
They wanted to get
their money back.
683
00:40:33,321 --> 00:40:36,106
I thought I could just explain
what the problem was,
684
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:38,021
and he would give me
the money back.
685
00:40:40,197 --> 00:40:43,940
Bruce and Danny drove me over,
and Mary Brunner and Sadie
686
00:40:43,984 --> 00:40:45,855
asked me
if they could come along,
687
00:40:45,899 --> 00:40:47,466
because they were
friends of Gary's.
688
00:40:48,510 --> 00:40:51,818
Honestly, I didn't think
it was gonna be a big deal.
689
00:40:51,861 --> 00:40:54,995
I had the gun because
Bruce had given it to me.
690
00:40:55,038 --> 00:40:57,476
I guess Danny recommended
that I take the gun,
691
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,826
and that it'd be, you know,
this sort of confrontation.
692
00:40:59,869 --> 00:41:01,523
I didn't see it that way,
693
00:41:01,567 --> 00:41:04,178
because I didn't see
Gary that way.
694
00:41:05,266 --> 00:41:07,790
We talked about it, and I
told him what had happened,
695
00:41:07,834 --> 00:41:10,489
and he says, "Well, Bobby,
I don't have the money."
696
00:41:11,838 --> 00:41:14,144
He showed me his wallet
and his checkbook.
697
00:41:14,188 --> 00:41:17,147
He had $57
in his checking account
698
00:41:17,191 --> 00:41:18,975
and a few bucks
in his wallet.
699
00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,674
And then I was starting
to get frantic.
700
00:41:22,544 --> 00:41:25,155
And so I did hit him with
the gun a couple of times.
701
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,245
I didn't hit him very hard.
I'm just not that kind of guy.
702
00:41:28,289 --> 00:41:30,987
And that is exactly
what Gary said to me.
703
00:41:31,031 --> 00:41:33,642
He says,
"Bobby, this isn't you."
704
00:41:33,686 --> 00:41:35,818
You know,
and I apologized.
705
00:41:35,862 --> 00:41:37,820
I said, "I just--I need to
get something, Gary."
706
00:41:37,864 --> 00:41:39,866
I need to take something
back to these guys."
707
00:41:41,215 --> 00:41:43,696
I needed to be able
to look around the house
708
00:41:43,739 --> 00:41:46,394
for something that
might be worth some money.
709
00:41:46,916 --> 00:41:49,919
I gave the gun to Sadie,
told her, you know,
710
00:41:49,963 --> 00:41:53,357
like I'd seen done
in cowboy movies as a kid,
711
00:41:53,401 --> 00:41:56,230
"If he moves, shoot him."
712
00:41:58,058 --> 00:42:02,018
Sadie had begun yelling
that Gary had got the gun.
713
00:42:02,062 --> 00:42:04,368
I just immediately
ran into the kitchen
714
00:42:04,412 --> 00:42:07,371
and saw Gary trying
to turn the gun on me,
715
00:42:07,415 --> 00:42:09,548
and I just dove at him.
716
00:42:10,766 --> 00:42:12,376
I got my hands on the gun.
717
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:16,598
As we were struggling,
then the gun went off.
718
00:42:20,646 --> 00:42:22,212
In that instant,
719
00:42:22,256 --> 00:42:24,388
with both of us looking
into each other's eyes,
720
00:42:24,432 --> 00:42:26,303
and I could see
the same thing in his eyes,
721
00:42:26,347 --> 00:42:27,914
that were--
that I was feeling,
722
00:42:27,957 --> 00:42:31,047
which was,
"I wonder if I've been shot."
723
00:42:31,091 --> 00:42:33,093
I was able to take
the gun from him.
724
00:42:34,398 --> 00:42:36,923
We both calmed down.
I put the gun away.
725
00:42:36,966 --> 00:42:40,187
And Gary and I sat down
at the table again.
726
00:42:41,144 --> 00:42:44,452
We came to the solution
that he would sign over
727
00:42:44,495 --> 00:42:49,239
the pink slips to his VW bus
and that little jalopy.
728
00:42:49,283 --> 00:42:52,286
The two of them
probably weren't worth
729
00:42:52,329 --> 00:42:55,289
what I was in debt
to the bikers over.
730
00:42:55,332 --> 00:42:57,987
What I didn't know
at the time
731
00:42:58,031 --> 00:43:01,774
was that one of the women
had called the ranch.
732
00:43:04,298 --> 00:43:05,821
- The phone rang.
733
00:43:05,865 --> 00:43:08,258
There wasn't anybody else
around, so I answered it.
734
00:43:08,302 --> 00:43:12,001
And it was Mary Brunner,
and she said, "Get Charlie."
735
00:43:15,222 --> 00:43:18,660
- After Gary had given me the
title to the two little cars,
736
00:43:18,704 --> 00:43:21,271
we were on
cordial terms again.
737
00:43:21,315 --> 00:43:24,361
Call it water under the bridge
and leave it behind.
738
00:43:26,233 --> 00:43:29,932
We became aware that someone
was coming to the front door,
739
00:43:29,976 --> 00:43:32,369
and Gary went to answer it.
740
00:43:32,413 --> 00:43:36,112
And he opened the door,
and said, "Hi, Charlie."
741
00:43:36,156 --> 00:43:38,375
And Charlie stepped
into the front door
742
00:43:38,419 --> 00:43:39,812
and just slashed him
across the face,
743
00:43:39,855 --> 00:43:42,162
not a word,
without warning.
744
00:43:43,511 --> 00:43:46,557
I said, "Charlie,
why did you do that?"
745
00:43:46,601 --> 00:43:51,301
And he said, exact words,
"Showing you how to be a man."
746
00:43:54,348 --> 00:43:57,786
And then Bruce turned to Gary
and says, "Where's the gun?"
747
00:43:57,830 --> 00:43:59,483
And I said, "I've got it."
748
00:43:59,527 --> 00:44:02,486
Bruce took the gun, as quick
as they came, they left,
749
00:44:02,530 --> 00:44:05,185
and Charlie said, "Tell them
to clean this mess up."
750
00:44:06,534 --> 00:44:07,709
Gary was bleeding.
751
00:44:07,753 --> 00:44:09,493
He was holding his hand
up to his cheek,
752
00:44:09,537 --> 00:44:13,019
and maybe I was just horrified
and Gary was horrified.
753
00:44:15,282 --> 00:44:18,502
I spent the next day
with Gary.
754
00:44:18,546 --> 00:44:23,682
And I didn't know what
the fuck to do at that point.
755
00:44:24,117 --> 00:44:28,034
I was getting increasingly
desperate over the situation.
756
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:32,691
So I called the ranch.
757
00:44:34,910 --> 00:44:36,433
And got Charlie
on the phone and I said,
758
00:44:36,477 --> 00:44:39,219
"Man, you know,
you created this problem,
759
00:44:39,262 --> 00:44:41,743
"and I need you
to take it back,
760
00:44:41,787 --> 00:44:43,876
because I don't know
what to do."
761
00:44:44,398 --> 00:44:46,400
And he said something
to the effect,
762
00:44:46,443 --> 00:44:49,882
"You know what to do as well
as I do," and hung up on me.
763
00:44:54,408 --> 00:44:58,281
And maybe a half hour later,
I stabbed Gary to death.
764
00:45:09,597 --> 00:45:13,035
- He was found in the living
room directly up here,
765
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,864
and he was lying on his back
with multiple stab wounds.
766
00:45:15,908 --> 00:45:17,866
He had been dead
approximately one week
767
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:20,739
at the time
that he was found.
768
00:45:20,782 --> 00:45:23,611
After we entered the home,
we saw signs of a struggle,
769
00:45:23,654 --> 00:45:26,266
and it appeared as though
there had been a
770
00:45:26,962 --> 00:45:29,095
some degree of violence.
771
00:45:31,097 --> 00:45:33,229
I would never have
killed a man had Charlie
772
00:45:33,273 --> 00:45:36,232
not come into Gary's home,
slashed his face,
773
00:45:36,276 --> 00:45:39,975
and then left me there
with that responsibility.
774
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:46,765
I don't remember writing
in blood on the wall.
775
00:45:46,808 --> 00:45:48,941
I don't know
that I did that.
776
00:45:50,029 --> 00:45:52,466
I had always
assumed it was me.
777
00:45:57,471 --> 00:46:02,693
- I had seen Bobby and Mary
and Susan Atkins
778
00:46:02,737 --> 00:46:04,957
kind of huddled
and whispering.
779
00:46:06,306 --> 00:46:08,264
The twinkle in his eye
was gone.
780
00:46:08,308 --> 00:46:12,791
He looked scared
and didn't look like Bobby.
781
00:46:12,834 --> 00:46:14,096
So I asked him,
"What's wrong?"
782
00:46:14,140 --> 00:46:16,011
And he said, "Nothing."
783
00:46:16,055 --> 00:46:19,798
So, I said, "Okay."
And I just kept on walking.
784
00:46:29,677 --> 00:46:33,202
- Bobby Beausoleil,
in his stupidity,
785
00:46:33,246 --> 00:46:36,510
gets into the car of
the murder victim, Gary Hinman,
786
00:46:36,553 --> 00:46:40,166
and he drives 120 miles
to San Luis Obispo.
787
00:46:44,257 --> 00:46:49,479
- And drove off in Gary's car
with the murder weapon.
788
00:46:49,523 --> 00:46:51,655
- It was very early
in the morning.
789
00:46:51,699 --> 00:46:53,309
The car broke down.
790
00:46:53,353 --> 00:46:55,007
The engine was still smoking
791
00:46:55,050 --> 00:46:56,965
when the Highway Patrol car
passed by.
792
00:46:57,009 --> 00:46:58,749
So I jumped
into the back seat
793
00:46:58,793 --> 00:47:01,317
and pretended to be asleep.
794
00:47:01,361 --> 00:47:05,147
I didn't know what I thought
that would do to help.
795
00:47:05,191 --> 00:47:06,627
- The highway patrolman
discovered,
796
00:47:06,670 --> 00:47:10,152
it is the car of the murder
victim, Gary Hinman.
797
00:47:10,196 --> 00:47:12,198
Mr. Beausoleil was arrested,
798
00:47:12,241 --> 00:47:14,983
accused
of first-degree murder.
799
00:47:27,387 --> 00:47:30,781
- After the murder,
Charlie leaves town.
800
00:47:31,347 --> 00:47:33,088
Things were getting
too crazy in L.A.
801
00:47:39,834 --> 00:47:42,968
- When I met Charlie,
I was 17 on a road trip.
802
00:47:44,578 --> 00:47:46,623
And we were on our way home,
it was probably about,
803
00:47:46,667 --> 00:47:48,538
I don't know, 3:00
in the morning or something.
804
00:47:48,582 --> 00:47:50,801
We stopped for gas.
805
00:47:50,845 --> 00:47:53,152
I went to go to the bathroom.
806
00:47:54,066 --> 00:47:55,937
There was Charlie,
807
00:47:55,981 --> 00:47:57,417
and a couple of fellows,
I think,
808
00:47:57,460 --> 00:48:00,115
that were just hitchhiking
were with him as well.
809
00:48:04,598 --> 00:48:06,774
He said some things, like,
"Well, what's a beautiful girl
810
00:48:06,817 --> 00:48:10,082
like you out here
so late at night?"
811
00:48:10,125 --> 00:48:12,127
And in just
a short period of time,
812
00:48:12,171 --> 00:48:13,215
he was able to tell me
813
00:48:13,259 --> 00:48:14,956
everything I ever
wanted to hear.
814
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,566
"I bet your dad
doesn't really love you.
815
00:48:16,610 --> 00:48:19,265
I bet nobody really
takes you seriously."
816
00:48:21,876 --> 00:48:23,965
And I was like,
wow, you know?
817
00:48:24,009 --> 00:48:26,925
And I saw there was guitars
in his van,
818
00:48:26,968 --> 00:48:29,101
and I thought,
"This is neat."
819
00:48:29,362 --> 00:48:31,320
We were near Big Sur,
820
00:48:31,364 --> 00:48:34,062
and I had always
wanted to see Big Sur.
821
00:48:34,106 --> 00:48:35,934
So I don't know what happened.
822
00:48:35,977 --> 00:48:38,937
I told the fellow
that I was with,
823
00:48:38,980 --> 00:48:41,940
I said, "I'm gonna go
with these guys."
824
00:48:41,983 --> 00:48:45,291
The attraction
was just immediate.
825
00:48:45,334 --> 00:48:47,075
Yeah.
826
00:48:54,300 --> 00:48:57,520
We pulled up
to the Esalen Institute.
827
00:48:57,564 --> 00:48:59,435
He took his guitar
and he told me,
828
00:48:59,479 --> 00:49:02,264
"Stay in the van
while I go in there
829
00:49:02,308 --> 00:49:04,963
and I'll be back
in a little bit."
830
00:49:05,006 --> 00:49:08,053
So, okay, so I just waited.
831
00:49:13,014 --> 00:49:15,625
I think that he was thinking
that they were gonna be
832
00:49:15,669 --> 00:49:18,628
really blown away
by his talent,
833
00:49:18,672 --> 00:49:21,370
and, you know,
his music abilities,
834
00:49:21,414 --> 00:49:24,591
and, you know, ask him to come
back and possibly pay him.
835
00:49:26,897 --> 00:49:29,988
But, uh, they didn't.
836
00:49:32,381 --> 00:49:34,644
He was pretty upset
when he came back.
837
00:49:34,688 --> 00:49:37,647
The fact that these people
were not impressed
838
00:49:37,691 --> 00:49:40,999
with his talent
made him angry.
839
00:49:43,262 --> 00:49:45,133
Put his guitar in the van,
840
00:49:45,177 --> 00:49:49,007
and hardly said, you know,
two words, and off we went.
841
00:49:57,102 --> 00:49:59,713
When we met at
the gas station, I said,
842
00:49:59,756 --> 00:50:01,932
"If I go to Big Sur
with you,
843
00:50:01,976 --> 00:50:05,501
will you take me to
San Diego to get my things?"
844
00:50:05,545 --> 00:50:08,287
And he promised me
that he would.
845
00:50:09,462 --> 00:50:10,724
And he did.
846
00:50:18,384 --> 00:50:21,865
We spent a couple of hours
with my sister
847
00:50:21,909 --> 00:50:25,869
and Charlie,
and my sister's boyfriend,
848
00:50:25,913 --> 00:50:29,221
and I don't think
they were happy.
849
00:50:29,656 --> 00:50:32,267
You know, they were
on the outside looking in,
850
00:50:32,311 --> 00:50:34,356
and I don't think
they were real glad
851
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,795
that I was going with him,
but nevertheless, I was, so.
852
00:50:41,233 --> 00:50:42,712
Basically,
I didn't take much.
853
00:50:42,756 --> 00:50:46,760
A few clothes, my dog,
and my guitar.
854
00:50:56,291 --> 00:50:58,206
When we pulled up
to the ranch,
855
00:50:58,250 --> 00:50:59,729
everything was turned over.
856
00:50:59,773 --> 00:51:03,211
Any clothes that I brought
went into a communal pile.
857
00:51:03,255 --> 00:51:05,648
My driver's license,
any money I had,
858
00:51:05,692 --> 00:51:08,216
which was probably
very, very little.
859
00:51:08,260 --> 00:51:10,131
Everything that
we had went into,
860
00:51:10,175 --> 00:51:12,220
like a communal pot,
861
00:51:12,264 --> 00:51:14,396
and everybody
just used whatever.
862
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,443
Kind of gave up
your identity, you know?
863
00:51:30,804 --> 00:51:35,983
- I asked Charlie, "Hey, do
you know what's up with Bobby?"
864
00:51:36,026 --> 00:51:39,943
He said, "Yeah, he got busted
in a dead man's car,
865
00:51:39,987 --> 00:51:41,771
and now he's in for murder."
866
00:51:41,815 --> 00:51:44,165
And I said, "Bobby?"
867
00:51:44,209 --> 00:51:47,429
And he kind of said it
with disdain.
868
00:51:47,473 --> 00:51:49,779
And I said,
"Well, what jail is he in?
869
00:51:49,823 --> 00:51:51,041
I'll go see him."
870
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,479
And he said,
"I've got this covered.
871
00:51:53,522 --> 00:51:55,524
You stay out of it."
872
00:52:13,934 --> 00:52:16,676
- In my world,
there is no wrong.
873
00:52:20,201 --> 00:52:22,856
You think that my mind is
like your mind, but it isn't.
874
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,166
This confusion belongs to you.
It's your confusion.
875
00:52:32,082 --> 00:52:36,174
Living is what scares me.
Dying is easy.
876
00:52:38,915 --> 00:52:40,874
- But there is something
else here.
877
00:52:40,917 --> 00:52:45,705
We have known what Manson did
without understanding why.
878
00:52:46,575 --> 00:52:49,665
- Charlie played a different
role for each one of us.
879
00:52:49,709 --> 00:52:52,320
- We were everything
to each other.
880
00:52:52,364 --> 00:52:54,844
- This wasn't
what I signed up for.
881
00:52:54,888 --> 00:52:56,846
- These were
America's children.
882
00:52:56,890 --> 00:53:00,546
- It was the '60s.
It was a perfect storm.
883
00:53:00,589 --> 00:53:03,244
- People have been
brainwashed to believe
884
00:53:03,288 --> 00:53:05,551
the real reason
behind these murders
885
00:53:05,594 --> 00:53:07,553
was to start a race war.
886
00:53:08,597 --> 00:53:10,556
He said,
"Will you die for me?"
887
00:53:11,992 --> 00:53:14,864
- Helter Skelter
simply means confusion.
888
00:54:08,048 --> 00:54:10,268
- Greg, move your head.
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