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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,700 Okay, you want to just lay this down? 2 00:00:36,140 --> 00:00:38,220 Ready when you are. I'm ready. 3 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,080 Are you recording? 4 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,280 I am now. 5 00:04:02,540 --> 00:04:04,300 This just might do nobody any good. 6 00:04:05,980 --> 00:04:11,540 At the end of this discourse, a few people may accuse this reporter of 7 00:04:11,540 --> 00:04:12,740 his own comfortable nest. 8 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:18,980 And you all may be accused of giving hospitality to heretical and even 9 00:04:18,980 --> 00:04:19,980 thoughts. 10 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,880 It is my desire, if not my duty, to try to speak to you with some candor about 11 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,180 what is happening in our mass media. 12 00:04:29,420 --> 00:04:35,440 You should know at the outset that I appear here voluntarily, by invitation, 13 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,240 that these remarks are strictly of a do -it -yourself nature. 14 00:04:39,420 --> 00:04:43,800 If what I have to say is responsible, I alone am responsible for the saying of 15 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:44,800 it. 16 00:04:45,340 --> 00:04:49,840 I've decided to express my concern on the manner in which we inform ourselves. 17 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:55,380 I am seized by an abiding fear of what these instruments are doing to our 18 00:04:55,380 --> 00:04:57,280 society, our culture, our heritage. 19 00:04:59,020 --> 00:05:01,060 Our history will be what we make of it. 20 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:07,560 And if any historians 50 to 100 years from now were to look, they would in 21 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,840 find evidence of decadent escapism and insulation from the realities of the 22 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:13,900 world in which we live. 23 00:05:15,180 --> 00:05:16,780 And surely we will pay a price. 24 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,440 We are currently fat, comfortable, and complacent. We have a built -in allergy 25 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:23,560 to unpleasant... 26 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,320 or disturbing information, but unless we get up off our fat assets and recognize 27 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:34,260 that media in the main is being used to distract, delude, amuse 28 00:05:34,260 --> 00:05:41,220 and insulate us, then those who finance it, those who profit from it, those 29 00:05:41,220 --> 00:05:46,540 who work at it and those who consume it may see a totally different picture too 30 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:47,540 late. 31 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,520 Good evening. 32 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:54,220 Earlier tonight, Adlai E. Stevenson urged the United States to take the 33 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:56,560 initiative in peace talks with the Soviet Union. 34 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,540 The talks are aimed toward worldwide disarmament and assurances of non 35 00:06:00,540 --> 00:06:03,040 -aggression for the Russians as well as for the free world. 36 00:06:03,300 --> 00:06:07,780 In a broadcast from his globe -circling tour, Stevenson warned the Eisenhower 37 00:06:07,780 --> 00:06:11,840 administration against shutting the door on conferences with the Soviet leaders 38 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:16,140 and putting too much pressure on an uncommitted bloc of nations not linked 39 00:06:16,140 --> 00:06:17,140 without a deal. 40 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:20,919 Wait, 41 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 it's only two cans? 42 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,780 Yeah, that's all it is. But there's some notes with it that go for Fred. Oh, 43 00:06:25,780 --> 00:06:26,780 Fred's in with the guys. 44 00:06:28,180 --> 00:06:31,560 Okay, I'll give the film to Leo. You can go ahead and give the notes to Fred. 45 00:06:31,620 --> 00:06:33,140 He's in the writer's room. Yeah. 46 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:34,520 Thank you, Palmer. 47 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:36,300 Hi, 48 00:06:38,140 --> 00:06:40,180 Joe. Shirley, what's going on in here? 49 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:41,540 Hey, Palmer. 50 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,519 Hello, Palmer. 51 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Making some copies. 52 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:45,320 Just making sure. 53 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,480 Two attractive people alone in a copy room. 54 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:55,340 Okay, Porter. I mean, I certainly won't say anything. Well, don't tell Fred. 55 00:06:55,580 --> 00:06:59,960 He'll fire me. Well, I mean, both of us. Shirley, the nepotism rule. 56 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:01,160 The nepotism rule. 57 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,380 You know, I think Joe would get the ax. 58 00:07:04,300 --> 00:07:05,300 Well, 59 00:07:05,820 --> 00:07:08,160 rules would make to be broken. 60 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,960 You can afford to say that. 61 00:07:10,180 --> 00:07:12,880 Actually, Shirley, I think he's right. 62 00:07:13,100 --> 00:07:14,560 What do you say? You want to... 63 00:07:15,100 --> 00:07:15,959 drink tonight. 64 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,580 Yeah, and you're just a couple of guys trying to help. The day I need dating 65 00:07:19,580 --> 00:07:23,860 advice from you two knuckleheads is, uh... All right. 66 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,080 Let me see this. 67 00:07:32,300 --> 00:07:33,300 I don't know. 68 00:07:34,340 --> 00:07:39,240 It's simply a loyalty oath. I mean, there's nothing in there about... To 69 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,600 To America. 70 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:43,680 You promise to be a loyal American? All the reporters have it. Who are you 71 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:44,900 promising? Fred signed it. 72 00:07:45,100 --> 00:07:46,660 CBS, Haley. And Murrow. 73 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:49,540 Murrow signed it? 74 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:51,760 Murrow signed it. 75 00:07:52,740 --> 00:07:57,800 Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of these organizations that 76 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,820 appeared on the Attorney General's list of subversive groups? It's a lot of 77 00:08:01,820 --> 00:08:02,820 pressure. 78 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:04,040 I don't know. 79 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:08,300 All right, let's think about this. What is it really saying? Is it a civil 80 00:08:08,300 --> 00:08:10,140 liberties issue? Is it censorship? 81 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:12,520 I don't know. 82 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,420 I mean, is it simply... 83 00:08:14,650 --> 00:08:17,650 stating to PBS that I'm not a communist? 84 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:19,570 Murrow signed it. He and Fred. 85 00:08:19,790 --> 00:08:20,950 Maybe you should talk to Fred. 86 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:23,510 Well, I talked to Fred. He told me to sign it. 87 00:08:24,710 --> 00:08:27,310 If you don't sign it, are you and I a target? 88 00:08:28,530 --> 00:08:30,450 If I don't sign it, they will fire me. 89 00:08:32,710 --> 00:08:37,210 Well, at least then we can tell everyone the truth. 90 00:08:40,950 --> 00:08:41,950 Okay. All right. 91 00:08:42,830 --> 00:08:43,830 Hey, they got the film? 92 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:48,120 Uh, yeah, it's all queued up and ready to go. Oh, uh, Eddie, you're right. 93 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:49,820 Went through that DP phone book. 94 00:08:50,180 --> 00:08:53,700 More than one Annie Lee Moss in there, right? Oh, yeah, a lot more. See, I told 95 00:08:53,700 --> 00:08:57,400 you. All right, here they are. Hey, Joe, we got it queued up. Hey, Fred, you 96 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,400 want a cigarette? 97 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,260 No, I'll just breathe the air. 98 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:03,579 All right. 99 00:09:03,580 --> 00:09:04,580 Okay, sounds good. 100 00:09:04,700 --> 00:09:05,700 All right. 101 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:07,980 Ready? All right. 102 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,060 On this reel, this woman, Annie Lee Moss. 103 00:09:11,790 --> 00:09:16,070 This is the person McCarthy has spent two weeks claiming was a spy in the 104 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:19,730 Pentagon. Well, she was a clerk in the communications office. 105 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:24,990 So, after all this buildup, she finally comes in. 106 00:09:25,430 --> 00:09:30,330 McCarthy only asks her four questions, and he gets up and he leaves. 107 00:09:30,550 --> 00:09:31,990 Wait, wait, wait. He just left? 108 00:09:32,370 --> 00:09:36,690 Well, he realized he had nothing. So, uh, Leo, hit it. 109 00:09:39,070 --> 00:09:40,710 And, uh... 110 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:45,720 You say you personally did not know Robert Hall. No, sir. That you were not 111 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:47,440 there when he came to the house. That's right. 112 00:09:49,740 --> 00:09:55,020 Do you know what business Robert Hall had with your husband besides merely 113 00:09:55,020 --> 00:09:56,740 delivering the copy of the Daily Work? 114 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,000 No, sir, I do not. 115 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:05,100 I'm afraid I'm going to have to excuse myself. I've got a rather important... 116 00:10:13,210 --> 00:10:14,210 All right, 117 00:10:15,010 --> 00:10:16,810 look, and Charlie gets a shot of the empty chair. 118 00:10:17,130 --> 00:10:21,130 Chairman, I have no further questions of this witness at this time. 119 00:10:21,580 --> 00:10:25,320 They say that we have the testimony of Mrs. Marquardt, the undercover agent of 120 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:29,880 the FBI, stating that Annie Lee Marquardt was a member, a dues -paying 121 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:35,120 the Communist Party, the Northeast Party of the Communist Party. Leo, that's 122 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:36,160 enough. Turn it off. 123 00:10:36,500 --> 00:10:40,280 Oh, that Roy Cohn's a real charmer. Ed, Ed, did you see that? He just walked 124 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,960 out. She is not a spy. You don't know that. 125 00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:46,280 Boy, I'll take the odds on it, Fred. 126 00:10:47,500 --> 00:10:48,580 What do you think, Ed? 127 00:10:49,340 --> 00:10:50,560 You haven't made your case. 128 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,280 He's lying. 129 00:10:54,220 --> 00:10:55,220 What's your proof? 130 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,940 I think it's pretty obvious. 131 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,080 Is that our standard now, what you think? 132 00:11:00,460 --> 00:11:04,140 McCarthy told the whole country. He found the spy in the Pentagon, and it 133 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:05,140 her. Meaning what? 134 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:07,960 I mean, Ed, does she look like a spy to you? 135 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,960 What does a spy look like, Palmer? 136 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:14,560 He got up and left his own hearing. She's not a spy, and you have a story. 137 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:15,620 then, you haven't made your case. 138 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:17,080 File it. 139 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,840 Okay, fellas, let's save it with the rest of the Senate footage. Thanks. 140 00:11:21,450 --> 00:11:26,030 Fred, did you guys look at the Secretary Stevens stuff? Not yet, John, not yet. 141 00:11:26,110 --> 00:11:27,430 Just watch it to the end. Well done. 142 00:11:27,790 --> 00:11:29,750 All the way to the end. Thank you, John. 143 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:37,110 Pretty good stuff, Ed. It's been any time in Detroit. 144 00:11:37,350 --> 00:11:41,730 We've got 20 or so of these pieces filed here in the Detroit Free Press. Dexter, 145 00:11:41,770 --> 00:11:44,750 Michigan. Kid named Milo Radulovic. Italian? 146 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:49,770 Irish. Air Force kicked him out because his dad read some Serbian newspaper. 147 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:52,150 They called Milo a security risk. 148 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:56,150 Is his dad a communist? I don't know. Who brought the charges? The Air Force. 149 00:11:56,190 --> 00:12:00,750 The charges were in a sealed envelope. Nobody saw them. Not even at the 150 00:12:01,030 --> 00:12:04,890 He was declared guilty without a trial and told that if he wants to keep his 151 00:12:04,890 --> 00:12:08,430 job, he has to denounce his father and his sister, so he told them to take a 152 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:10,270 hike. His sister, huh? 153 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:14,310 Let's send Joe and Charlie down there, see if he's any good on camera. 154 00:12:14,530 --> 00:12:16,230 Is he being brought before the committee? 155 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:17,610 No. So? 156 00:12:18,450 --> 00:12:19,450 It's not McCarthy. 157 00:12:20,460 --> 00:12:21,460 Isn't it? 158 00:12:26,380 --> 00:12:27,820 Milo Radulovich. 159 00:12:29,340 --> 00:12:35,800 Lieutenant Radulovich, Milo, let me ask you this. What happened 160 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:41,920 now to your two children? That is, your five -year -old and your five -month 161 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,180 -old in terms of you. 162 00:12:44,900 --> 00:12:48,220 Yes, if I am being judged on my relatives. 163 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:55,560 Are my children going to be asked to denounce me? Are they going to be judged 164 00:12:55,560 --> 00:12:58,500 on what their father was labeled? 165 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:05,040 Are they going to have to explain to their friends, etc., why their father 166 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:06,040 security risk? 167 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,620 I see absolutely that this is a chain reaction. 168 00:13:11,820 --> 00:13:16,500 If the thing is let's stand as the first recommendation, 169 00:13:17,490 --> 00:13:23,430 was sent out by the board, I see a chain reaction that has no end to anybody, 170 00:13:23,690 --> 00:13:24,690 for anybody. 171 00:13:26,010 --> 00:13:28,350 Well, that's new. 172 00:13:28,950 --> 00:13:33,190 And I don't think you can call this a neutral piece. I think we tried to talk 173 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:34,190 the Air Force. 174 00:13:37,180 --> 00:13:42,520 So you just want to forego the standards you've stuck to for over 15 years, both 175 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,000 sides, no commentary. 176 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:52,320 I'm just making sure we identify 177 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,780 what it is you're both doing. I can't find any justification for this. I can't 178 00:13:56,780 --> 00:14:00,720 accept that on every story there are two equal and logical sides. You want to 179 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,280 call that editorializing? We'll give them equal time. 180 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,440 It is editorializing, period. 181 00:14:06,890 --> 00:14:11,070 You understand the position you're putting us in. We're all in it together. 182 00:14:11,370 --> 00:14:17,450 If the Senate or the Air Force ask her to do me a favor, avoid any speeches 183 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:20,550 about how we're all in a big boat together. 184 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:27,320 Please don't insult me. Look, I have to go back to Alcoa, who sponsors your show 185 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,500 and also has military contracts, and I gotta tell them they might get caught in 186 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:36,340 a tough bind because you had a beef with Joe McCarthy. 187 00:14:36,700 --> 00:14:40,380 I'm not going at you. Joe McCartney. Well, you're starting a goddamn fire. I 188 00:14:40,380 --> 00:14:43,900 know what this is, Ed. You guaranteed me. This goes back to here and now. You 189 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:47,700 guaranteed that corporate would have no influence over news content. What I'm 190 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:52,740 saying is, please don't try to con me into thinking this will be good for me. 191 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,260 Just do me that courtesy. 192 00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:55,860 I'm sorry, Mr. 193 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,080 Paley, Mr. Murrow. 194 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Fred, there's a Colonel Anderson here to see you. 195 00:15:00,780 --> 00:15:02,400 Okay, Shirley, where is he? 196 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:03,600 He's in your office. 197 00:15:04,260 --> 00:15:05,260 Sorry, gentlemen. 198 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:10,680 Maybe this guy loves the transcript and is here to congratulate me. 199 00:15:15,260 --> 00:15:17,040 Go after Joe Kennedy. 200 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:18,720 We'll pay for it. 201 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,620 I got a great story about Hoover. 202 00:15:22,980 --> 00:15:27,360 Do you know how many person -to -persons you'll have to do to make this up? Oh, 203 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:32,280 Judy and her daughter Liza next week. No chance. You will be interviewing Lassie 204 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,560 and then Mr. Ed back -to -back. 205 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:38,550 Alcoa won't pay for it. 206 00:15:39,650 --> 00:15:41,050 We probably won't either. 207 00:15:41,670 --> 00:15:43,730 Nobody will stop you. How much are the ads? 208 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:45,010 Three thousand. 209 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:46,390 I'll split it with Fred. 210 00:15:46,930 --> 00:15:49,290 He just won't have Christmas presents for his kid this year. 211 00:15:49,530 --> 00:15:50,530 He's a Jew. 212 00:15:50,930 --> 00:15:53,310 Well, don't tell Fred he loves Christmas. 213 00:15:59,210 --> 00:16:00,210 Colonel. 214 00:16:00,650 --> 00:16:01,650 Mr. Friendly. 215 00:16:02,410 --> 00:16:03,410 Please. 216 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,400 I trust you've had a chance to review the transcript? 217 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:11,340 We have, but we've not been allowed to see the footage. 218 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,140 We're still shooting it. 219 00:16:14,020 --> 00:16:17,780 Charlie Mack is on a plane from Dexter with the last of the interviews. We'll 220 00:16:17,780 --> 00:16:18,940 going right down to the wire. 221 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:20,440 Your show airs tomorrow. 222 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,380 How can we possibly comment on what we're being accused of? You haven't 223 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:25,380 the footage. 224 00:16:25,460 --> 00:16:31,300 With all due respect, you have been invited to comment on this piece, not to 225 00:16:31,300 --> 00:16:32,300 approve this piece. 226 00:16:33,150 --> 00:16:37,250 We are going with the story that says that the U .S. Air Force tried Milo 227 00:16:37,250 --> 00:16:41,250 Radulovich without one shred of evidence and found him guilty of being a 228 00:16:41,250 --> 00:16:44,930 security risk without the constitutional right. And you have also not seen the 229 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:46,090 evidence claim he's not. 230 00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:50,430 Wouldn't you guess that the people that have seen the contents of that envelope 231 00:16:50,430 --> 00:16:54,510 might know a little more about what makes a person a danger to our country? 232 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:54,969 Who are these people? 233 00:16:54,970 --> 00:16:56,330 Are they elected? Should it just be you that decides? 234 00:16:56,630 --> 00:16:58,490 Appointed? Do they have an ax to grind? 235 00:16:58,790 --> 00:17:00,630 Is it you, sir? Mr. Brindley. 236 00:17:01,730 --> 00:17:05,869 We have been a friend and ally of Mr. Murrow and CBS News. 237 00:17:06,369 --> 00:17:09,609 The story you intend to air is without merit. 238 00:17:11,210 --> 00:17:17,670 Now, before you take steps that cannot be undone, I urge you 239 00:17:17,670 --> 00:17:19,690 to reconsider your stand. 240 00:17:20,790 --> 00:17:24,910 These are very dangerous waters you're attempting to navigate. 241 00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:27,430 Two minutes to air. 242 00:17:29,610 --> 00:17:32,910 Dammit! Millie, unload that thing before I crack. 243 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:34,930 A couple more seconds. 244 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:36,990 Okay. 245 00:17:38,770 --> 00:17:42,390 Is Don ready for this? I don't know. Tell him I front -loaded the opening 246 00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:44,050 about five seconds extra. 247 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:48,490 Front -loaded, five seconds. Thank you, Millie. Oh, Millie, tell Joe he's going 248 00:17:48,490 --> 00:17:51,090 to have to do the voiceover live. Joe's on set. You tell him. 249 00:17:51,530 --> 00:17:54,310 We need a live mic on the floor. I'll get the mic set. 250 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,080 Hi, Don. It's front -loaded. How am I? About five seconds. I did it too much! 251 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:04,100 Okay, which week is Joe going to do live? His question. Why don't we try to 252 00:18:04,100 --> 00:18:07,400 it up with the whole show on air? Yeah, Joe can do it live. I hate this. We love 253 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,540 it. Fred, did you time Ed's intro? I think we're going to be long. Long is 254 00:18:11,620 --> 00:18:13,780 Don. Remember, no commercial break. Great. 255 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,660 Great. I've got to add two minutes. Don, they're doing a commercial in the 256 00:18:17,660 --> 00:18:19,560 booth. What commercial? We didn't have any commercial. 257 00:18:19,860 --> 00:18:22,620 Okay, yeah. Eddie, set up a mic. I got it, Don. I got it. 258 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:24,280 Idiot out of the booth. That was... 259 00:18:25,169 --> 00:18:27,090 It's too loud in here. One minute. 260 00:18:28,510 --> 00:18:30,510 You got the film. 261 00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:31,830 Will it be ready? 262 00:18:33,930 --> 00:18:34,930 Yep. 263 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:39,290 Funny thing, Freddy. Every time you light a cigarette for me, I know you're 264 00:18:39,290 --> 00:18:40,290 lying. 265 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:43,090 We'll have it. We'll have it. 266 00:18:43,690 --> 00:18:45,070 What did the colonel tell you yesterday? 267 00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:47,330 He wasn't too pleased. 268 00:18:47,890 --> 00:18:50,070 You're going to get audited this year. Not me. 269 00:18:50,290 --> 00:18:52,970 You. I told him I didn't want to do the piece. 270 00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:55,560 You always wear yellow. 271 00:18:56,020 --> 00:18:57,140 Better than red. 272 00:18:57,500 --> 00:18:58,500 Twenty seconds. 273 00:18:59,660 --> 00:19:05,080 You know, it occurs to me we might not get away with this one. 274 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,000 Ten seconds. 275 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:21,900 In five, four, three, two... Stand 276 00:19:21,900 --> 00:19:22,900 by now. 277 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,540 For See It Now, with Edward R. Murrow. 278 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:45,620 Alcoa, Aluminum Company of America, in cooperation with CBS Television, 279 00:19:45,620 --> 00:19:52,240 the distinguished reporter and news analyst, Edward R. Murrow, in See It 280 00:19:53,010 --> 00:19:57,070 Edited and produced by Mr. Murrow and Fred W. Friendly. 281 00:19:57,430 --> 00:20:02,470 A weekly presentation of Aluminum Company of America, the nation's leading 282 00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:03,690 producer of aluminum. 283 00:20:04,550 --> 00:20:09,650 Now speaking to you from the control room of Studio 41 is the editor of See 284 00:20:09,650 --> 00:20:11,830 Now, Edward R. Murrow. 285 00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:13,810 Good evening. 286 00:20:14,190 --> 00:20:18,790 A few weeks ago there appeared a few obscure notices in the newspapers about 287 00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:20,230 Lieutenant Milo Radulovich. 288 00:20:20,620 --> 00:20:24,060 a lieutenant in the Air Force Reserves, and also something about Air Force 289 00:20:24,060 --> 00:20:26,520 Regulation 35 -62. 290 00:20:27,100 --> 00:20:31,100 That is a regulation which states that a person may be regarded as a security 291 00:20:31,100 --> 00:20:35,440 risk if he has close and continuing association with communists, or people 292 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,180 believed to have communist sympathies. 293 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,820 The lieutenant was asked to resign in August. He declined. 294 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,300 A board was called, and his case was heard. 295 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,400 At the end, it was recommended that he be severed from the Air Force, although 296 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,510 it was also stated that there was no question whatsoever As to the 297 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:56,350 loyalty, we propose to examine insofar as we can the case of Milo Radulovich. 298 00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:58,890 Our reporter, Joe Worshpa. Cameraman, Charlie Mack. 299 00:20:59,550 --> 00:21:01,810 This is the town of Dexter, Michigan. 300 00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:04,010 Population, 1 ,500. 301 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:09,290 This is the story of Milo Radulovich. No special hero, no martyr. He came to 302 00:21:09,290 --> 00:21:12,390 Dexter one year ago after 10 years in the Air Force. 303 00:21:14,990 --> 00:21:20,310 does not question my loyalty in the least. They have reiterated that on 304 00:21:20,310 --> 00:21:21,310 occasions. 305 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:26,770 They have presented me with allegations against my sister and father 306 00:21:26,770 --> 00:21:33,090 to the effect that my sister and dad have read 307 00:21:33,090 --> 00:21:39,250 what are now called subversive newspapers and that my 308 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:44,240 sister and father's activities are questionable. 309 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,660 That's the specific charge or allegation, I prefer to call it, against 310 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:56,080 Lieutenant Radulovich was defended by attorney Charles C. Lockwood, and this 311 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,140 the report on the hearing. 312 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,880 The Air Force did not produce a single witness. 313 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:03,780 We were not told who the accusers were. 314 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:08,180 We have no right to confront them or to cross -examine them. 315 00:22:08,420 --> 00:22:11,020 But at the conclusion of the trial... 316 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:16,640 Although we had met the allegations, the Air Force made findings at the 317 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,220 conclusion of the hearing that every single allegation was true. 318 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,680 This is the sister, Margaret Radulovich Fishman. She neither defends nor 319 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,140 explains her political activities. 320 00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:36,480 I feel that my activities, be they what they may or my political beliefs, are my 321 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:37,640 own private affair. 322 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:44,210 And I feel that... The charges leveled against me, 323 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:50,590 and by reason of which they are trying to purge him from the Army, just 324 00:22:50,590 --> 00:22:55,770 seem to me to be a fantastic trend in this country. 325 00:22:57,250 --> 00:23:02,010 Milo, I guess a lot of people must have asked you from time to time, wouldn't it 326 00:23:02,010 --> 00:23:04,590 have been a lot easier for you if you would have... 327 00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:08,760 Well, just kept sort of quiet about the whole thing. Maybe resigned and nobody 328 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,940 would have known anything about it and all this trouble wouldn't have come to 329 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:17,840 you. Yes, that's right. I could have signed a resignation form, 330 00:23:17,980 --> 00:23:23,620 which was titled a resignation in lieu of elimination from the service. 331 00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:27,100 And this would have given me an honorable discharge. 332 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,780 However, the honorable discharge would have stipulated that I had, you know, 333 00:23:31,780 --> 00:23:32,780 been discharged. 334 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,760 Because the Air Force could not trust me. In other words, because I had been 335 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,700 discharged as a security risk. 336 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,520 And what happens to your two children? That is, your five -year -old and your 337 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:46,060 five -month -old in terms of you. 338 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:53,060 Yes, if I am being judged on my relatives, if are my children going to 339 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:59,860 to denounce me? Are they going to be judged on what their father was labeled? 340 00:24:00,100 --> 00:24:01,300 Are they going to... 341 00:24:02,110 --> 00:24:07,110 have to explain to their friends, etc., why their father is a security risk. 342 00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:13,010 I see absolutely that this is a chain reaction. 343 00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:20,090 If the thing is let's stand as the first recommendation was sent out by the 344 00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:25,650 board, I see a chain reaction that has no end to anybody or anybody. 345 00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:29,810 Perhaps you'll permit me to read a few sentences just at the end. 346 00:24:30,190 --> 00:24:32,450 because I'd like to say rather precisely what we mean. 347 00:24:32,970 --> 00:24:36,510 We have told the Air Force that we will provide facilities for any corrections 348 00:24:36,510 --> 00:24:40,310 or criticisms it should like to make in the case of Milo Radulovic. 349 00:24:40,650 --> 00:24:44,650 We are unable to judge the charges against the lieutenant's father or 350 00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:49,670 because neither we nor you nor they nor the lawyers know precisely what was 351 00:24:49,670 --> 00:24:51,530 contained in that manila envelope. 352 00:24:51,930 --> 00:24:56,890 Was it hearsay, rumor, gossip, slander, or was it hard, ascertainable fact that 353 00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:58,290 can be backed by credible witnesses? 354 00:24:59,210 --> 00:25:00,210 We do not know. 355 00:25:00,570 --> 00:25:04,570 We believe the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, even if that 356 00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:07,250 iniquity be proved. And in this case, it was not. 357 00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:11,710 But we also believe that this case illustrates the urgent need for the 358 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:15,950 forces to communicate more fully than they have so far done the regulations 359 00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:20,390 procedures to be followed in attempting to protect national security and the 360 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:21,410 rights of the individual. 361 00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:26,190 In any case, whatever happens in this whole area of the relationship between 362 00:25:26,190 --> 00:25:27,370 individual and the state. 363 00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:29,030 We will do it ourselves. 364 00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:34,610 It cannot be blamed on Malenkov or Mao Zedong or even our allies. And it seems 365 00:25:34,610 --> 00:25:38,850 to us that it's Fred Friendly and myself that this is a subject that should be 366 00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:40,170 argued about endlessly. 367 00:25:41,130 --> 00:25:42,890 Good night and good luck. 368 00:25:44,370 --> 00:25:48,470 Friday's Edward R. Murrow, person to person on the CBS television network. 369 00:25:50,370 --> 00:25:51,370 And we're out. 370 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,100 I think we're fine. 371 00:26:07,900 --> 00:26:09,540 Oh, I like the sound of this. 372 00:26:11,420 --> 00:26:12,420 What's this tune? 373 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:14,820 Ah, all right. 374 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,460 I sure hope I remember these words. 375 00:26:19,660 --> 00:26:20,660 It's been a while. 376 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:22,780 Right here? 377 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,000 I've got my eyes on you. 378 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:29,920 So best be... 379 00:26:55,180 --> 00:26:59,600 I'm checking on all you do from A to Z. 380 00:27:02,540 --> 00:27:07,480 So, darling, just be wise. 381 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:12,680 Keep your eyes on me. 382 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,580 Keep your eyes on me. 383 00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,580 All right, let's take a bow. I've got to learn these words. 384 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,800 That's all the room we had on the fence for it. Lee, how old are you? 385 00:27:56,180 --> 00:27:57,680 I'm 35, Ed. 386 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,080 Well, at 35, looking back at all that's happened, what comes to your mind first? 387 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,560 Ed, I would say that God has been very, very good to us in making all of this 388 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:11,860 happen to our family. 389 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,720 And I suppose that nowhere but in the United States could... 390 00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:22,010 This happened to an ordinary American family like ours. 391 00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:23,910 I'm very grateful. 392 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:27,370 Well, surely something must get under your skin once in a while, doesn't it? 393 00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:34,230 Well, about the only thing that bothers me is when people accuse me of having a 394 00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:39,890 following only of nice old ladies. I have nothing against the nice old 395 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:42,510 but I like nice young ladies, too. 396 00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:47,260 Lee, thanks so much for letting us come and visit you, and will you say 397 00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:48,900 goodnight to the rest of your family for us? 398 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,320 I certainly will. 399 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:51,900 Thanks so much. 400 00:28:52,140 --> 00:28:53,520 Goodnight, Ed. Goodnight, Lee. 401 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,060 Next week, we'll take you to Beverly Hills, California, and the home of 402 00:28:58,060 --> 00:28:59,240 Rooney and his new bride. 403 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,100 Until then, goodnight and good luck. 404 00:29:03,180 --> 00:29:04,260 And we're out. 405 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,620 Good show, Ed. 406 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:19,960 So that... 407 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:38,860 Mr. 408 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:39,900 Murrow? 409 00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:42,700 Mr. Murrow? 410 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,980 Mr. Paley was wondering if you'd meet him for a drink. 411 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,360 When? 412 00:29:48,010 --> 00:29:49,010 Uh, now. 413 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:50,270 He's at the Penscom bar. 414 00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:54,090 What's he doing there? Will you just call him, Shirley, will you please? 415 00:29:54,290 --> 00:29:55,350 I'll let him know. Thank you. 416 00:29:58,550 --> 00:29:59,550 Hi, Don. 417 00:29:59,650 --> 00:30:00,650 Hi, Shirley. 418 00:30:02,110 --> 00:30:03,110 Huh. 419 00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:09,850 You getting good at this, Ed? 420 00:30:11,090 --> 00:30:12,250 They're going to think you like it. 421 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:13,970 Pays the bills. 422 00:30:14,490 --> 00:30:15,490 How are you, Don? 423 00:30:16,270 --> 00:30:17,270 It's day to day. 424 00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:20,610 Well, if she saw how good you look right now, she'd be back. 425 00:30:20,910 --> 00:30:22,390 Tell her that if you see her, will you? 426 00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,250 So I read the O 'Brien piece. 427 00:30:25,810 --> 00:30:27,350 Yeah, it's pretty tough. 428 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:29,570 I'm a pinko. 429 00:30:29,850 --> 00:30:31,070 I slant the news. 430 00:30:31,790 --> 00:30:34,050 Just waiting for him to say my wife left me, too. 431 00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:36,250 Well, nobody worth their salt reads him. 432 00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:37,710 You read him. 433 00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:39,410 Well, see, I rest my case. 434 00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:42,470 Does Paley read him? 435 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,140 Bill Paley's not going to do anything, Doc. 436 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:48,600 Listen, Ed, thanks. 437 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,580 I just came over because I wanted to see how great the lieutenant piece was. 438 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,340 Thanks. How's the fallout? 439 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,560 Mostly good, surprisingly. 440 00:30:56,940 --> 00:30:57,940 Is this the start? 441 00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:01,300 You taking sides? Just a little poke with a stick, see what happens. 442 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:02,800 Well, let me know if I can help. 443 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,920 But you're a pinko, Doc. 444 00:31:05,540 --> 00:31:06,540 I'll see you, Ed. 445 00:31:06,980 --> 00:31:09,880 May I have your attention, please, on track one. 446 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,380 The 830 train to New Haven has been canceled. 447 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,580 We apologize for any inconvenience. 448 00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,240 Hey, Joe. 449 00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:22,280 What's all this Radwich junk you're putting out? 450 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,280 Oh, Don. 451 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,240 I got nothing to say to you now. We just got to get this film off to the lab. 452 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,600 What would you say if I told you that Murrow was on the Soviet payroll in 453 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,000 Uh, give us a sec, will you, Charlie? 454 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,960 Sure. I gotta use the head anyway. 455 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,160 Hey, Joe. 456 00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:50,120 Watch yourself with this guy. 457 00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:59,940 Is McCarthy going to the 458 00:31:59,940 --> 00:32:04,220 Eisenhower dinner? No idea. I don't keep the senator's calendar for him, Joe. 459 00:32:04,620 --> 00:32:05,620 Oh, really? 460 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,700 This is a track change announcement. 461 00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:13,370 The 845 Northeast Corridor train to New York City will be arriving on track two. 462 00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:19,510 What? You don't watch any spy films, Donald? 463 00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:25,330 You can't just hand me a classified folder. You gotta slip it in my 464 00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:26,330 when I'm not looking. 465 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:30,770 It's actually perfect. I didn't know who to give this information to. Paley or 466 00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:34,530 Murrow. As you can imagine, Fred and I aren't very friendly. 467 00:32:34,730 --> 00:32:35,810 No pun intended. 468 00:32:36,270 --> 00:32:37,270 No pun. 469 00:32:37,730 --> 00:32:38,730 Elocuted. 470 00:32:40,410 --> 00:32:43,930 Elocuted. Is that a word or did you just make that up? 471 00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:46,230 You boys and your word. 472 00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:49,950 Is Ed in New York right now memorizing a thesaurus? 473 00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:53,810 Joe, what's another word for thesaurus? 474 00:32:54,190 --> 00:33:00,150 Oh, it must be awfully quiet at the Algonquin now that you're gone. Except 475 00:33:00,150 --> 00:33:01,730 Harpo talking away. 476 00:33:02,190 --> 00:33:03,190 All right, Donald. 477 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:04,930 What do you got? 478 00:33:05,030 --> 00:33:06,030 In short. 479 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,720 Ed Murrow's been a communist sympathizer since the 1930s. Member of the 480 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,140 Industrial Workers of the World. 481 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,060 Sponsor of educational trips to Moscow and on the Soviet payroll in 1934. 482 00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:19,460 It's all there. 483 00:33:22,380 --> 00:33:27,640 You want to know why that's not possible? 484 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,940 Why are you going to lose this one, Donald? 485 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,640 Because everybody in the country knows that if nothing else, Ed Murrow is a 486 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,360 loyal American. He is a patriot. 487 00:33:40,340 --> 00:33:44,200 Did you know that the word gullible isn't in the dictionary, Joe? 488 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,520 I give this to Ed? I'd like you to. I have copies. 489 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:51,260 I think you guys go too far. 490 00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:54,920 Well, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck. 491 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,060 It's a terrible shame. 492 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,660 Murrow's brother being a general in the Air Force. 493 00:34:03,100 --> 00:34:04,100 What'd I miss? 494 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,159 Nothing. Ed, Donald's just leaving. He's got a hole to crawl back into. 495 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,120 Give my best to Ed. 496 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,659 Bill? Hello, Ed. How's Janet? 497 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,540 How's your boy? Oh, well, how's babe? 498 00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:32,560 Fine. She's fine. 499 00:34:33,179 --> 00:34:37,139 Well... Her fundraiser got rained on. Well, that's why I don't plan anything. 500 00:34:37,380 --> 00:34:39,139 Really? You wouldn't know it. 501 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,920 Reading fiction? 502 00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:41,940 I hope. 503 00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:45,120 You tell me. Well, we know how they're going to come at us. 504 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,219 That's just the first shot. 505 00:34:47,860 --> 00:34:52,120 Somebody will go down. Now, have you checked your facts? Are you on safe 506 00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:53,360 I'm sure. Cards. 507 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:54,580 They're my cards. 508 00:34:55,060 --> 00:34:59,080 You lose, what happens? Five guys find themselves out of work. 509 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:04,540 I am responsible for a hell of a lot more than five goddamn reporters. 510 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,480 Let it go. 511 00:35:08,260 --> 00:35:12,620 McCarthy will self -destruct. Cohn, all of them. I don't like you to run from a 512 00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:17,260 fight. I'm not running from anything. Is that so? Hey, I write your check. 513 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,800 I put you in that country house. I put your son through school. And you should 514 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,260 have told me about this before it got so far down the road. 515 00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:29,020 Is it an apology that you want? We don't make the news, Ed. We report the news. 516 00:35:29,100 --> 00:35:33,380 99 % of the time he is wrong about the people he labels. If he goes too far, 517 00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:36,340 Senate will investigate him and we will report on that. 100 % of the time he is 518 00:35:36,340 --> 00:35:39,640 wrong when he steps on their civil liberty. What are you doing, Ed? You are 519 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,780 trying him in the press. 520 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:47,080 No, you have decided. And you're presenting it as fast. So where do you 521 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,080 take this? 522 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,180 Every one of your boys has to be clean. 523 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,400 You understand? 524 00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:58,580 No ties. 525 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:04,720 If Aaron's mother went to a group theater fundraiser in 1932, he is out. 526 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,160 Hewitt, too. Everyone in that room, make no mistake, I will cut them loose. 527 00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:12,700 A corporate will not interfere. 528 00:36:13,450 --> 00:36:14,450 With editorial. 529 00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:20,230 But editorial will not jeopardize the hundreds of employees of the Columbia 530 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:21,490 Broadcasting System. 531 00:36:21,790 --> 00:36:25,430 Yes. Mr. Paley, Senator Symington is on the phone. 532 00:36:27,250 --> 00:36:29,650 And we're not advertising it. 533 00:36:32,430 --> 00:36:33,430 Hello, Steve. 534 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:35,010 Right. 535 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:38,580 Well, yes, Senator, I do have a question. The U .S. 536 00:36:39,060 --> 00:36:42,500 military is said to have better nuclear capabilities with much smaller bombs, 537 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:47,440 but the Soviets have developed longer -range missiles, which pit the two 538 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,680 against each other in a race to build the first intercontinental rocket 539 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,220 of delivering a nuclear explosion. 540 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:58,680 The Soviets believe they have the upper hand, but military experts here at home 541 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,440 are confident the U .S. will win the race to complete a full and functioning 542 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,700 missile capable of carrying a nuclear bomb. 543 00:37:05,060 --> 00:37:11,940 Let me make it easier. I just need to know 544 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:12,940 for the good of the peace. 545 00:37:13,420 --> 00:37:16,500 If any of you have any connection at all. 546 00:37:17,170 --> 00:37:18,510 Read a communist newsletter. 547 00:37:19,210 --> 00:37:20,570 Traveled to St. Petersburg. 548 00:37:21,010 --> 00:37:24,370 Was your mother dating a socialist in 1922? 549 00:37:24,610 --> 00:37:27,910 You know what? Why did you leave my mother out of this? Don't care. 550 00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:29,790 I just need to know. 551 00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:34,650 You know, I had a fling with a fascist once. Oh, that must have been fun. No, 552 00:37:34,650 --> 00:37:36,710 not after the war. They were a little down. 553 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:38,350 Knock it off. Knock it off. 554 00:37:38,970 --> 00:37:39,970 Ed, 555 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:44,530 I think I should excuse myself. Yeah, I'm going to have to excuse myself. 556 00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,020 Let me get out now. 557 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:54,400 I don't want to hurt us. Christ. Okay, that kills us. 558 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,800 Oh. 559 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:03,620 My ex was... I wouldn't say she was a communist, but... 560 00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:06,580 She certainly attended meetings. 561 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:10,200 It was before we were married. 562 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,060 And it never came up until after we were divorced. 563 00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:15,940 It didn't matter then. 564 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,160 We were... 565 00:38:18,660 --> 00:38:20,020 We were all on the same side. 566 00:38:21,980 --> 00:38:25,520 Look, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but the thing of it 567 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,920 is, somebody will find out, and they'll hurt us with it. Hurt us? 568 00:38:29,500 --> 00:38:32,160 We can't do this story. I should have told you sooner. 569 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,440 I'm sorry, Fred. 570 00:38:35,700 --> 00:38:36,700 Ed. 571 00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:42,260 Sit down, Homer. 572 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,920 If none of us ever read a book that was dangerous or had a friend that was 573 00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,160 different or joined an organization that advocated change, we would all be the 574 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,340 exact kind of person Joe McCarthy wants. 575 00:39:09,060 --> 00:39:10,140 We're going to go with the story. 576 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,200 Because the terror is right here in this room. 577 00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:20,380 Our next report will be about the junior senator from Wisconsin. And Fred, we 578 00:39:20,380 --> 00:39:21,680 use only his words. You understand. 579 00:39:23,490 --> 00:39:26,890 Okay, fellas, that's it. All the footage we've banked. Everything. 580 00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:31,950 John, you and Joe and Charlie go through the HUAC hearings. Eddie and Palmer, 581 00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:35,130 see what else we have. Any speeches he gave or interviews. 582 00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:36,930 His own words, boys. 583 00:39:37,150 --> 00:39:38,190 That's what we need. 584 00:39:38,750 --> 00:39:40,570 Millie, give me those notes. 585 00:39:42,290 --> 00:39:43,290 Yeah. 586 00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:50,330 There may be trouble. 587 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,440 But while there's moonlight and music and love and romance 588 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:03,080 Let's face the music and dance 589 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,620 Before the fiddlers have fled 590 00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:14,480 Before they ask us to pay the bill And while 591 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:21,480 we still got a chance Let's face the music and dance 592 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:04,480 We locked the projector. 593 00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:07,100 Yeah, we'll make it. 594 00:41:07,300 --> 00:41:09,160 Excuse me, Mr. Murrow. Mr. 595 00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:10,420 Paley's on the line. 596 00:41:11,420 --> 00:41:13,680 Maybe he's going to reimburse us for the ad. 597 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,940 We'd like that. I would like that. I already used it. 598 00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:20,760 This is Ed. 599 00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:25,700 Hey, the Knickerbockers are playing tonight, and I got front row seats. 600 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:26,920 Are you interested? 601 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,940 I'm a little busy bringing down the network tonight, Bill. 602 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:33,680 is that tonight? 603 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,000 The knickerbockers, you say? Front row? 604 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:37,260 It's tempting. 605 00:41:39,180 --> 00:41:40,180 So you know. 606 00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:41,980 We're covered. 607 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:43,600 All right. 608 00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:47,060 I'm with you tonight, Ed. 609 00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,700 And I'll be with you in the morning as well. 610 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,840 Thanks, Bill. 611 00:41:54,940 --> 00:41:56,000 What do you think, Joe? 612 00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,400 I think we're ready. 613 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,820 I... Wish we could wait till we get more footage. 614 00:42:03,060 --> 00:42:06,340 I just don't think we could take the chance. I think that we have to hit 615 00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:11,620 McCarthy before he could come after Ed. Well, they haven't gone after the Alsops 616 00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:12,620 or Herb Block. 617 00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:17,740 The Alsops and Herb Block didn't work for the Institute of International 618 00:42:17,740 --> 00:42:19,560 Education in 1934. 619 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,680 Then I guess it's time. 620 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:24,760 Okay. 621 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,480 Hi. Hi. 622 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,220 Bye. Bye. 623 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,800 You worried? 624 00:42:36,620 --> 00:42:37,860 I didn't think I was. 625 00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:43,440 I don't know why. I was in the office on Friday. I answered the phone. It was 626 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,800 Howard calling from London. 627 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,620 He asked me what was going on with McCarthy, and before I answered him, I 628 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,560 and looked over my shoulder to see who was listening. 629 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:54,980 And who was listening? 630 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:57,660 Chairman Mao. 631 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,920 Oh, Joe, your ring. 632 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:08,000 another wife who reminds her husband to take off his wedding ring before he goes 633 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,000 to the office? 634 00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:12,040 Ava Gardner. 30 seconds. 635 00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:19,100 20 636 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:29,960 seconds. 637 00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:41,310 Ten seconds. 638 00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:49,790 In five, four, three, two. 639 00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:52,970 Good evening. 640 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:57,470 Because a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy is by definition controversial, 641 00:43:57,770 --> 00:44:01,930 we want to say exactly what we mean and request permission to read from a 642 00:44:01,930 --> 00:44:05,390 script. any remarks Murrow and Friendly may make. 643 00:44:05,690 --> 00:44:09,570 If the senator feels that we have done violence to his words or pictures and he 644 00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:14,270 wishes to speak to answer himself, an opportunity will be afforded him on this 645 00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:17,630 program. Our working thesis tonight is from this quotation. 646 00:44:18,110 --> 00:44:22,470 If this fight against communism has made a fight between America's two great 647 00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:26,150 political parties, the American people know that one of those parties will be 648 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:29,790 destroyed and the republic cannot endure very long as a one -party system. 649 00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:31,410 We applaud that statement. 650 00:44:31,850 --> 00:44:35,850 We think Senator McCarthy should as well. He said it 17 months ago in 651 00:44:37,330 --> 00:44:41,930 The American people realize that this cannot be made a fight between America's 652 00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:43,010 two great political parties. 653 00:44:43,690 --> 00:44:47,150 If this fight against communism is made a fight between America's two great 654 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:50,970 political parties, the American people know that one of those parties will be 655 00:44:50,970 --> 00:44:55,510 destroyed and the republic can't endure very long as a one -party system. 656 00:44:56,290 --> 00:44:58,850 On one thing, the senator has been consistent. 657 00:44:59,470 --> 00:45:03,470 Often acting as a one -man committee, he has traveled far, interviewed many, 658 00:45:03,610 --> 00:45:07,910 terrorized some, accused civilian and military leaders of the past 659 00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:11,570 administration of a great conspiracy to hand over the country to communism. 660 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:35,200 Part of that quotation on what meat does this our Caesar feed? 661 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,720 And upon what meat does Senator McCarthy feed? 662 00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:43,080 Two of the staples of his diet are the investigations, protected by immunity, 663 00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:44,740 and the half -truths. 664 00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:50,200 You attended Columbia University in the early 30s. I did, Mr. Chairman. 665 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,640 Will you speak a little louder, sir? 666 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,940 I did, Mr. Chairman. 667 00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,700 And were you expelled from Columbia? 668 00:45:58,730 --> 00:46:02,350 I was suspended from classes on April 1, 1932. 669 00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:07,130 I was later reinstated, and I resigned from the university. 670 00:46:07,770 --> 00:46:09,130 And you resigned from the university. 671 00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:17,050 Did the Civil Liberties Union provide you with an attorney at that time? 672 00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:21,730 I had many offers of attorneys, and one of those was from the American Civil 673 00:46:21,730 --> 00:46:26,010 Liberties Union, yes. The question is, did the Civil Liberties Union supply you 674 00:46:26,010 --> 00:46:26,839 with an attorney? 675 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:27,960 They did supply an attorney. 676 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:29,260 The answer is yes. 677 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,440 The answer is yes. 678 00:46:31,020 --> 00:46:35,400 You know, the Civil Liberties Union has been listed as a front for and doing the 679 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:36,440 work of the Communist Party. 680 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,840 Mr. Chairman, this was 1932. 681 00:46:41,180 --> 00:46:45,500 Yeah, I know it was 1932. Do you know that they since have been listed as a 682 00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:47,320 front for and doing the work of the Communist Party? 683 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,980 I do not know that they have been listed so, sir. You don't know they have been 684 00:46:50,980 --> 00:46:52,220 listed? I have read that mention. 685 00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:55,260 You wrote a book. 686 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,000 in 1932 uh i'm going to ask you again at the time you wrote this book did you 687 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,460 feel that professors should be given the right to teach sophomores that marriage 688 00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:14,160 uh the quote should be cast out of our civilization as antiquated 689 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:19,360 and stupid religious phenomena well that's your feeling at that time my 690 00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,590 was that professors should have the right to express their considered 691 00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:25,350 on any subject, whatever they were. 692 00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:27,530 I'm going to make an answer to that. 693 00:47:28,030 --> 00:47:32,570 I'll answer yes, but you put an implication on it and you feature this 694 00:47:32,570 --> 00:47:36,190 particular point out of a book which, of course, is quite out of context, does 695 00:47:36,190 --> 00:47:38,690 not give a proper impression of a book as a whole. 696 00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:43,610 The American public doesn't get an honest impression of even that book as 697 00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:44,790 from what you're quoting from it. 698 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,880 The Reed Harris hearing illustrates one of the senator's techniques. 699 00:47:50,580 --> 00:47:54,380 Twice, he said the American Civil Liberties Union was listed as a 700 00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:58,860 front. The attorney general's list does not and never has listed the ACLU as 701 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:04,620 subversive, nor has the FBI or any other federal government agency. And the ACLU 702 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:08,560 holds in its files letters of commendation from President Truman, 703 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,820 Eisenhower and General MacArthur. 704 00:48:11,460 --> 00:48:12,980 Earlier, the senator asked. 705 00:48:13,370 --> 00:48:16,170 Upon what meat does this our Caesar feed? 706 00:48:16,550 --> 00:48:20,110 Had he looked three lines earlier in Shakespeare's Caesar, he would have 707 00:48:20,110 --> 00:48:22,030 this line, which is not altogether inappropriate. 708 00:48:22,730 --> 00:48:27,470 The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. 709 00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:31,790 No one familiar with the history of this country can deny that congressional 710 00:48:31,790 --> 00:48:32,850 committees are useful. 711 00:48:33,070 --> 00:48:37,370 It is necessary to investigate before legislating. But the line between 712 00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:41,890 investigating and persecuting is a very fine one, and the junior senator from 713 00:48:41,890 --> 00:48:42,890 Wisconsin has... 714 00:48:42,990 --> 00:48:44,230 stepped over it repeatedly. 715 00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:49,290 We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that 716 00:48:49,290 --> 00:48:53,010 accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due 717 00:48:53,010 --> 00:48:54,010 process of law. 718 00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:56,810 We will not walk in fear one of another. 719 00:48:57,050 --> 00:49:01,250 We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason if we dig deep in our 720 00:49:01,250 --> 00:49:04,410 history and our doctrine and remember that we are not descended from fearful 721 00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:09,530 men, not from men who fear to write, to speak, to associate, or to defend the 722 00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:11,510 causes that are for the moment unpopular. 723 00:49:12,300 --> 00:49:16,440 We proclaim ourselves as indeed we are the defenders of freedom wherever it 724 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,720 continues to exist in the world. But we cannot defend freedom abroad by 725 00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:21,840 deserting it at home. 726 00:49:22,460 --> 00:49:27,240 The actions of the junior senator from Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay 727 00:49:27,240 --> 00:49:31,460 amongst our allies abroad and given considerable comfort to our enemies. 728 00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:33,360 And whose fault is that? 729 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,040 Not really his. 730 00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:40,320 He didn't create this situation of fear. He merely exploited it. 731 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:41,880 and rather successfully. 732 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,460 Cassius was right. 733 00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,280 The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. 734 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,740 Good night, and good luck. 735 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,820 I don't know whether all of you have seen what I just saw, but I want to 736 00:50:09,820 --> 00:50:13,780 associate myself and this program with what Ed Murrow has just said and say 737 00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:15,320 I've never been prouder of CBS. 738 00:50:16,980 --> 00:50:17,980 And now the news. 739 00:50:18,180 --> 00:50:22,840 Feel like a scotch? I think everybody could use one. Yep. Women have moved 740 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,300 another male domain. 741 00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,540 In 20 United States cities, they've proved themselves highly efficient in 742 00:50:28,540 --> 00:50:29,880 parking and traffic control. 743 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,680 And the trend to the greater employment of traffic policemen as women is rising. 744 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,020 Many of the... 745 00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:11,750 3 .30, early editions are out now. Oh, I'm not worried about that. No, of 746 00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:16,230 not. Hey, Cheryl, honey, run down and pick up the early editions. 747 00:51:16,550 --> 00:51:18,490 All of them? All of them. Just get O 'Brien. 748 00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:20,510 All right, watch my drink. 749 00:51:21,570 --> 00:51:22,810 Yeah, I'll go with you, Shirley. 750 00:51:28,690 --> 00:51:31,470 I'm going to have to fire Joe so those two can date. Cigarette? 751 00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:32,890 I quit. 752 00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,160 Good time to quit. 753 00:51:34,940 --> 00:51:36,340 Yeah, but what did you do? 754 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,700 Well, first we want to see if we have jobs tomorrow. 755 00:51:39,220 --> 00:51:43,900 And if we still have jobs tomorrow, then tail gunner Joe gets to return fire. 756 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:45,120 What's he going to say? 757 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,480 He's going to say we're a pinko organization with a leftist agenda. We 758 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,480 own word. 759 00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:55,340 It's, uh... Well, we do have a leftist agenda. 760 00:51:56,940 --> 00:51:57,940 I'm a pinko. 761 00:52:04,330 --> 00:52:07,070 awfully quiet there, didn't it? We've got Annie Lee Moss. 762 00:52:07,650 --> 00:52:11,430 We can have that together by next week if need be. Is that a whole show? 763 00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:12,690 It's close. 764 00:52:13,250 --> 00:52:14,250 Listen, Ed. 765 00:52:15,330 --> 00:52:19,410 There's not going to be a shortage of material on him. What we have to do now 766 00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:24,270 keep up the pressure till his rebuttal and then move to Calcutta. 767 00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:27,970 Sure do miss radio. 768 00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:30,030 You've got a face for radio. 769 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,860 Well, my wife keeps telling me. All right, here we go. We've got all of 770 00:52:36,260 --> 00:52:39,140 The Post, The Times. Who wrote it? Jack Gould. 771 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:47,020 Edward R. Murrow's television program on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy was an 772 00:52:47,020 --> 00:52:50,740 exciting and provocative examination of the man and his methods. 773 00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:56,300 It was crusading journalism of high responsibility and courage. 774 00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,860 For TV so often plagued by timidity and hesitation, the program was a milestone 775 00:53:01,860 --> 00:53:03,620 that reflected enlightened citizenship. 776 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:11,240 The program was no 777 00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:15,120 less an indictment of those who wish the problems posed by the senator's tactics 778 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,520 and theatrics would just go away and leave them alone. 779 00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,480 That was Mr. Murrow's Intellivision's triumph and a very great one. 780 00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:29,620 I already did. How do you think we got that review? 781 00:53:31,180 --> 00:53:32,920 What about the post? 782 00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,560 Pretty good. 783 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:35,960 What about O 'Brien? 784 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,680 The same. 785 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,320 Julie, what did O 'Brien say? 786 00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:43,500 Oh, I don't have it. Joe, what about you? 787 00:53:44,460 --> 00:53:45,900 No, here, somewhere. 788 00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:48,900 Okay. 789 00:53:50,900 --> 00:53:51,900 Hang on. 790 00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:53,180 Okay. 791 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,560 Jack O 'Brien. 792 00:53:56,010 --> 00:54:00,550 We can't say we were surprised that Edward R. Murrow's hate McCarthy 793 00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:06,470 last evening, when his explosively one -sided propaganda, edited with deviously 794 00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:11,050 clever selectivity for McCarthy's march against communism, was finished last 795 00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:15,810 evening. By equally Machiavellian coincidence, the following telecast 796 00:54:15,810 --> 00:54:18,190 Murrow's PM protege, Don Hollenbeck. 797 00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:24,550 In an obviously gloating mood, Hollenbeck hoped viewers had witnessed 798 00:54:24,550 --> 00:54:26,410 patron's triumph from and for the left. 799 00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:31,270 And so on and so on. Yeah, I guess O 'Brien doesn't like scotch. 800 00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:35,390 It's okay, Shirley, finish it. Shirley, read the post, huh? 801 00:54:36,250 --> 00:54:38,950 That's it, Don. It's just... Shirley, finish it. 802 00:54:39,870 --> 00:54:41,330 That's it, Don. That's it. 803 00:54:41,610 --> 00:54:42,610 Shirley. 804 00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:46,650 Okay. 805 00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:52,120 The Columbia Broadcasting System has been in a lengthy clean house of 806 00:54:52,140 --> 00:54:55,680 mood. The worst offenders on lesser levels have been quietly pushed out of 807 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,680 company. 808 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,660 Don Hollenbeck, a graduate of the demised PINCO publication PM, attacked 809 00:55:01,660 --> 00:55:04,420 conservative newspapers with sly and slanted propaganda. 810 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,500 He then proceeded through an equally tilted review of the day's events, with 811 00:55:08,500 --> 00:55:11,620 McCarthy dominating his words, actions, attitude, and camera. 812 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:14,640 It's O 'Brien. 813 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,580 I think I'll have that cigarette, Ed. 814 00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,280 I'm heading out. 815 00:55:21,660 --> 00:55:24,940 Got a staff meeting in five hours. 816 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,100 Do you want to share a cab? 817 00:55:31,980 --> 00:55:33,720 Oh, yeah. You headed downtown? 818 00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,300 Yeah. Where do you live, Shirley? No, no. She lives downtown. 819 00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:38,780 Yeah. 820 00:55:39,940 --> 00:55:41,380 Hang in there, Don. See you, boys. 821 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:43,240 See ya. 822 00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:44,660 The end. 823 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,140 Don. Appreciate it. 824 00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:47,540 Today, 825 00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:49,740 you mean. 826 00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:56,920 Sorry I missed you the other night, Don. 827 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,080 I need to ask you something, Ed. 828 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,320 It's about O 'Brien. 829 00:56:04,700 --> 00:56:06,960 O 'Brien doesn't matter. He's killing me. It doesn't make a bit of difference. 830 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,620 It's not just him. We have to let this guy have it. We're not going to go after 831 00:56:10,620 --> 00:56:13,520 O 'Brien. I'm not going to take on McCarthy and Hearst. 832 00:56:13,820 --> 00:56:14,940 I can't beat them both. 833 00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:16,480 Don't read the paper, Don. 834 00:56:17,460 --> 00:56:18,800 Or don't read O 'Brien anyway. 835 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,160 No, I get that. 836 00:56:49,230 --> 00:56:53,610 I wake up in the morning and I don't recognize anything. 837 00:56:55,950 --> 00:57:00,650 I feel like I went to sleep three years ago and somebody hijacked. 838 00:57:01,970 --> 00:57:05,750 As if all the reasonable people took a plane to Europe and left us behind. 839 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,260 I was always an optimist. 840 00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:35,220 Really. I always thought things work out half full. 841 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,800 Yeah. 842 00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:42,800 I believe in the system. 843 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:47,720 As disastrous as it can seem at times, I believe in it. 844 00:57:48,980 --> 00:57:50,880 We designed it to fix it. 845 00:57:52,220 --> 00:57:55,460 Madison built it into the Constitution, for Christ's sake. 846 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,440 I was talking about my divorce. 847 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,320 So was I. 848 00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:08,420 Well, I'm glad the forefathers understood the term dissolution of a 849 00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:11,660 I'm sure they had their difficulties with the opposite sex. 850 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:13,720 I'm talking about McCarthy. 851 00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:16,060 So was I. 852 00:58:20,700 --> 00:58:21,700 Well, 853 00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:23,060 I thought I'd try. 854 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:26,300 Sorry, Doc. 855 00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:30,510 We never have this conversation, okay? 856 00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:33,150 It's okay with you, Senator. 857 00:58:35,090 --> 00:58:36,450 Don't laugh. I've thought about it. 858 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:04,160 How long for that new copy? 859 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,480 Give me an hour. It's going to be an hour. 860 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:08,960 Yeah, we got a deadline. 861 00:59:09,540 --> 00:59:11,060 He's got back from D .C. 862 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,580 McClellan, just look at that. The McCarthy at the Pentagon here. He called 863 00:59:15,580 --> 00:59:16,578 McCarthy evil. 864 00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:17,279 Wait, who did? 865 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:18,660 Senator McClellan. He's sitting. 866 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,740 Who's D .C. down from D .C. 867 00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,080 He called him evil. 868 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:24,980 Wait, who's evil? You get it on camera? 869 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:27,740 Yeah. Wait, who is evil? 870 00:59:27,980 --> 00:59:30,630 Oh. Eddie, I can hear you. 871 00:59:31,450 --> 00:59:32,550 What are they doing in there? 872 00:59:33,390 --> 00:59:34,410 Rewriting the Constitution. 873 00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:35,810 They were there for the original. 874 00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:38,010 Hold on, Joe. 875 00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:40,070 Palmer, can I talk to you for a minute? 876 00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:41,290 Yeah, sure, Fred. 877 00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:43,670 Fred. Yeah. 878 00:59:44,150 --> 00:59:46,850 Fellas, McCarthy's office just called. 879 00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:48,650 He wants equal time. 880 00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:51,790 When? April 6th. In studio. 881 00:59:52,130 --> 00:59:53,630 He wants to film it in his office. 882 00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:54,910 Who? 883 00:59:54,970 --> 00:59:55,970 McCarthy. 884 00:59:56,950 --> 00:59:58,150 Jesus Christ. 885 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,560 They told me Buckley wanted to respond. 886 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:01,880 No. 887 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:03,960 It's McCarthy. 888 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,000 But are they going to let Charlie? What's he going to say? 889 01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:12,780 I don't know what it's going to be. He's going to come after me. It's the only 890 01:00:12,780 --> 01:00:13,780 thing he can do. 891 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,540 He's going to bet that Senator Trump's a newsman. 892 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,080 He'll lose. 893 01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:21,240 Maybe. 894 01:00:23,060 --> 01:00:26,180 Okay, fellas, here we go. Joe, call Stanton and let him know. 895 01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:31,080 John, let's see all the Eisenhower footage you've got. We need to prefer a 896 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:36,580 Yep. Phil, illegal, wants to have a word with you. 897 01:00:37,860 --> 01:00:38,860 Okay. 898 01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:41,700 Now? Yes, now is best. 899 01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:45,420 Never very good news, is it? 900 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:48,760 Not often. 901 01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:05,110 Can you connect me with Phil in legal? 902 01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:06,430 Right away. 903 01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:09,290 Mr. Williams. 904 01:01:09,930 --> 01:01:10,930 Guilty. 905 01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:12,750 I hope not. 906 01:01:14,610 --> 01:01:16,410 There isn't a lot of time, so I'll be brief. 907 01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:22,330 This network is under a tremendous amount of pressure. These stories aren't 908 01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:23,370 helping. I understand. 909 01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:24,910 I'm not sure you do. 910 01:01:26,110 --> 01:01:29,170 There's a great deal of concern about your past position. 911 01:01:29,830 --> 01:01:31,290 My wife's past position? 912 01:01:31,570 --> 01:01:32,570 That's right. 913 01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:35,340 You act as a file on you. 914 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,920 How do you know? A file was sent to Mr. Paley yesterday. 915 01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:44,060 Well, that's interesting timing. Well, when you strike at a king. 916 01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:46,040 Or a junior senator from Wisconsin. 917 01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:51,780 CBS is prepared to make an offer. 918 01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:56,300 Uh -oh. If you submit your resignation, CBS will cover any legal expenses you 919 01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:57,300 might incur on this subject. 920 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,520 Oh, that's awfully kind of you. No, it isn't. No, it isn't. 921 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,480 These guys don't play around. 922 01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:05,240 They're relentless. 923 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,440 They will cost you everything you have. 924 01:02:09,660 --> 01:02:10,660 I understand. 925 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,360 Do you? 926 01:02:17,060 --> 01:02:19,600 Palmer, take the deal. 927 01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:23,980 If these guys decide to call you in, we will cut you loose. 928 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,580 And then no one will be there to help. Not CBS. 929 01:02:27,300 --> 01:02:28,300 Not Burrow. 930 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,440 No one. 931 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,040 Phil, you're a good guy. 932 01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:42,340 And I appreciate that this is your job. 933 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,760 But what you're asking me to do, I could never do. 934 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:51,880 I understand. 935 01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:59,520 It's funny how your life can be upended just for telling the truth. And marrying 936 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,060 a communist. Oh, yeah, there is that. 937 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:04,160 Be careful. 938 01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:06,180 Yeah. 939 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,680 Ed, 28 minutes. I could clip a little off the end. 940 01:03:14,460 --> 01:03:15,700 I think we have to leave it alone. 941 01:03:16,580 --> 01:03:21,440 Very smart. No time for comment. Came in 10 minutes ago, and we put it up for 942 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,580 the first couple of minutes. 943 01:03:23,780 --> 01:03:24,780 You're right. 944 01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:26,020 It's coming after me. 945 01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:28,320 Okay. Thanks. 946 01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:33,020 Charlie, have you seen the latest polls? 947 01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:36,080 The most trusted man in America is Milton Berle. 948 01:03:38,220 --> 01:03:39,700 Maybe he should do the story. 949 01:03:40,980 --> 01:03:41,980 Hey, Fred. 950 01:03:42,580 --> 01:03:45,360 What say we grab a little dinner after the show? 951 01:03:45,620 --> 01:03:46,660 The 21 Club? 952 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,560 Sure. 45 seconds to air. 953 01:03:51,140 --> 01:03:54,560 Look, there's nothing fun about this one. 954 01:03:55,140 --> 01:03:59,860 You just gotta put your gloves down, stick your chin out, and just take it 955 01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:01,900 whole round. Next week's our round. 956 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,820 If I make it up off of Matt. 957 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,040 You will. 958 01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:06,080 30 seconds. 959 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:28,500 Ten seconds. 960 01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:37,600 In five, four, three, two... 961 01:04:38,890 --> 01:04:39,890 Good evening. 962 01:04:40,110 --> 01:04:43,970 One month ago tonight, we presented our report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy. 963 01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:46,010 We labeled it as controversial. 964 01:04:46,290 --> 01:04:51,290 Most of that report consisted of words and pictures of the senator. At the 965 01:04:51,290 --> 01:04:55,030 we told the senator that if he feels that we have done violence to his words 966 01:04:55,030 --> 01:04:59,130 pictures and he wishes to speak to answer himself, an opportunity would be 967 01:04:59,130 --> 01:05:00,330 afforded him on this program. 968 01:05:00,630 --> 01:05:05,090 The senator sought that opportunity, asked for a three -week delay because he 969 01:05:05,090 --> 01:05:08,130 said he was very busy and wished adequate time to prepare his reply. 970 01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:09,598 We agree. 971 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,500 We place no restrictions on the method or manner of the presentation of his 972 01:05:13,500 --> 01:05:17,280 reply and suggested that we would not take time for comment on this program. 973 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,900 Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy, junior senator from Wisconsin. 974 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:24,840 Good evening. 975 01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:30,300 Mr. Edward R. Murrow, educational director of the Columbia Broadcasting 976 01:05:30,460 --> 01:05:35,560 devoted his program to an attack on the work of the United States Senate 977 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:36,560 Investigating Committee. 978 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:39,320 and on me personally as its chairman. 979 01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:43,940 Now, ordinarily, ordinarily I would not take time out from the important work at 980 01:05:43,940 --> 01:05:46,120 hand to answer Murrow. 981 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,740 However, in this case, I feel justified in doing so because Murrow is the 982 01:05:51,740 --> 01:05:58,320 symbol, the leader, and the cleverest of the jackal pack, which is always 983 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,500 found at the throat of anyone who dares to expose individual communists and 984 01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:04,500 traitors. 985 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:11,660 I am compelled by the fact to say to you that Mr. Edward R. Murrow, as far back 986 01:06:11,660 --> 01:06:17,120 as 20 years ago, was engaged in propaganda for communist causes. 987 01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:23,120 For example, the Institute of International Education, of which he was 988 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:29,640 acting director, was chosen to act as a representative by a Soviet agency 989 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:32,380 to do a job. 990 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,840 which would normally be done by the Russian secret police. 991 01:06:36,420 --> 01:06:40,620 Now, Mr. Murrow, by his own admission, was a member of the IWW, that's the 992 01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:46,760 Industrial Workers of the World, a terrorist organization cited as 993 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,260 an attorney general of the United States. 994 01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:49,980 Now, Mr. 995 01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:55,500 Murrow said on this program, and I quote, he said, the actions of the 996 01:06:55,500 --> 01:07:02,220 senator from Wisconsin have given considerable comfort to the enemy. 997 01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:06,860 That is the language of our statute of peace, rather strong language. 998 01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:12,820 If I am giving comfort to our enemies, I ought not to be in the Senate. 999 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:18,880 If, on the other hand, Mr. Murrow is giving comfort to our enemies, he ought 1000 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:23,020 to be brought into the home of millions of Americans by the Columbia 1001 01:07:23,020 --> 01:07:24,320 Broadcasting System. 1002 01:07:24,980 --> 01:07:29,460 But this is a question which can be resolved with... 1003 01:07:32,810 --> 01:07:35,290 I have to go to Philadelphia in the morning. 1004 01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:37,870 What time is your train? 1005 01:07:38,850 --> 01:07:41,330 Eight. Is Charlie going with you? 1006 01:07:41,830 --> 01:07:42,830 Mm -hmm. 1007 01:07:48,310 --> 01:07:53,750 I don't want to say 1008 01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:56,490 what I'm about to say. 1009 01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:58,910 Uh -oh. Yeah. 1010 01:07:59,350 --> 01:08:00,350 You want a divorce. 1011 01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:03,280 No. Do you? 1012 01:08:05,620 --> 01:08:07,000 Depends on what you're about to say. 1013 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:14,920 Just keep having this nagging thought that we might be wrong. 1014 01:08:16,140 --> 01:08:17,140 About what? 1015 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,120 Well, there are communists here. Yeah. 1016 01:08:21,340 --> 01:08:25,279 They don't always have our best interests at heart. Probably not. Yeah. 1017 01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:29,359 McCarthy? Well, the argument could be made. 1018 01:08:30,670 --> 01:08:31,850 It's for the greater good. 1019 01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:34,450 That's one argument. 1020 01:08:34,729 --> 01:08:35,729 Alger Hiss? 1021 01:08:36,370 --> 01:08:38,450 What? Alger Hiss had a trial. 1022 01:08:39,090 --> 01:08:41,330 Alger Hiss faced his accusers. 1023 01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:43,990 And went to jail. That's right. 1024 01:08:45,149 --> 01:08:46,189 That's how this works. 1025 01:08:51,330 --> 01:08:56,170 So we're not going to look back and say we protected the wrong side? 1026 01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:59,390 You're right, Joe. 1027 01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:00,800 Yeah. 1028 01:09:02,660 --> 01:09:03,800 I want a divorce. 1029 01:09:06,060 --> 01:09:07,439 Yeah, I wouldn't blame you. 1030 01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:10,700 When did you start smoking? 1031 01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:13,399 15 minutes ago. 1032 01:09:16,700 --> 01:09:17,700 Good evening. 1033 01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:23,080 Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program to correct any errors he 1034 01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:27,020 might have thought we made in our report of March 9th. Since he made no 1035 01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:31,649 reference to any statements of fact, we must conclude that he found no errors of 1036 01:09:31,649 --> 01:09:37,310 fact. He proved once again that anyone who exposes him, anyone who does not 1037 01:09:37,310 --> 01:09:41,609 share his hysterical disregard to decency and human dignity and the rights 1038 01:09:41,609 --> 01:09:46,029 guaranteed in the Constitution must be either a communist or a fellow traveler. 1039 01:09:46,590 --> 01:09:48,250 I fully expected this treatment. 1040 01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:52,950 The senator added this reporter's name to a long list of individuals and 1041 01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:56,290 institutions that he has accused of serving the communist cause. 1042 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,820 His proposition is a very simple one. 1043 01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:05,100 Anyone who criticizes or opposes McCarthy's methods must be a communist. 1044 01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:07,840 that be true, there are an awful lot of communists in this country. 1045 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,220 For the record, let us consider briefly some of the senator's charges. 1046 01:10:12,780 --> 01:10:16,600 He claimed, but offered no proof, that I was a member of the Industrial Workers 1047 01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,060 of the World. That is false. 1048 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,280 I never was a member of the IWW. 1049 01:10:20,620 --> 01:10:22,000 Never applied for membership. 1050 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,720 The senator charged that Professor Harold Lasky, a British... 1051 01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:30,700 scholar and politician, dedicated a book to me. That is true. He is dead. He was 1052 01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:31,840 a socialist. I am not. 1053 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,660 He was one of those civilized individuals who didn't insist upon 1054 01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:39,880 political principles as a precondition for friendship or conversation. 1055 01:10:40,440 --> 01:10:42,560 I don't agree with his political ideas. 1056 01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:47,260 Lasky, as he makes clear in the introduction, dedicated the book to me 1057 01:10:47,260 --> 01:10:51,420 because of political agreement, but because he held my wartime broadcasts 1058 01:10:51,420 --> 01:10:52,420 London in high regard. 1059 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,460 And the dedication so reads. 1060 01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:59,510 I believe 20 years ago and I believe today that mature Americans can engage 1061 01:10:59,510 --> 01:11:03,350 conversation, controversy, a clash of ideas with communists anywhere in the 1062 01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:05,890 world without becoming contaminated or converted. 1063 01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:10,010 I believe that our faith, our conviction, our determination are 1064 01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:14,770 theirs and that we can compete and successfully not only in the area of 1065 01:11:14,870 --> 01:11:16,570 but in the area of ideas. 1066 01:11:17,390 --> 01:11:20,470 I have worked for CBS for 19 years. 1067 01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:26,870 The company has subscribed fully to my integrity as a broadcaster and as a 1068 01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:27,870 American. 1069 01:11:28,410 --> 01:11:31,490 I require no lectures from the junior senator from Wisconsin. 1070 01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:36,750 Having searched my conscience and my files, I cannot contend that I have 1071 01:11:36,750 --> 01:11:40,710 been right or wise, but I have attempted to pursue the truth with some diligence 1072 01:11:40,710 --> 01:11:44,950 and to report it, even though, as in this case, I had been warned in advance 1073 01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:48,150 that I would be subjected to the attentions of Senator McCarthy. 1074 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:52,560 We should hope to deal with matters of more vital interest to the country next 1075 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,360 week. Good night and good luck. 1076 01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:21,119 How are you feeling? 1077 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:21,858 How am I? 1078 01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:23,160 How are you feeling? 1079 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:24,940 What time did you leave last night? 1080 01:12:25,180 --> 01:12:28,100 She didn't leave last night. I didn't leave this morning. 1081 01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:30,320 It's just this today. 1082 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:31,700 Oh, just this? 1083 01:12:32,100 --> 01:12:33,100 Ma 'am. 1084 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,380 Somewhere there's music. 1085 01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:40,440 How faint the tune. 1086 01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:43,100 Somewhere there's heaven. 1087 01:12:44,180 --> 01:12:45,880 How high the moon. 1088 01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:49,580 What time are we going till today? 1089 01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:53,120 I'll get back to you in a minute. 1090 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:55,360 We'll be here. 1091 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:02,040 In the last analysis, the senator was perched on the television high dive and 1092 01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,100 all prepared to make a resounding splash. 1093 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:11,140 He jumped beautifully but neglected to check first where he was going to land. 1094 01:13:11,780 --> 01:13:16,320 It must have been something of a shock to discover that Mr. Murrow had drained 1095 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:17,660 the water out of the pool. 1096 01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:21,730 Yeah, the Times. 1097 01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:24,650 Hell of a writer. 1098 01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:28,650 We should hire him away from the Times. Yeah, well, CBS has got a public opinion 1099 01:13:28,650 --> 01:13:35,470 survey here that Elmo Roper put together. It says 33 % of all 1100 01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:38,370 households believe McCarthy proved Yorukami. 1101 01:13:38,590 --> 01:13:42,330 Only 33 %? Listen, listen, listen, listen, listen, listen. 1102 01:13:44,270 --> 01:13:46,570 The Senate is investigating McCarthy. 1103 01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:55,050 Got him. 1104 01:13:57,690 --> 01:13:59,930 Hold on, boys. 1105 01:14:01,390 --> 01:14:03,570 Oh, oh, you'll be all right, Palmer. 1106 01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:14,430 We're up there with Howdy Doody. Hold 1107 01:14:14,430 --> 01:14:15,430 on, Ed. 1108 01:14:17,170 --> 01:14:20,050 Somewhere there's music. 1109 01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:26,000 The two. 1110 01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:31,540 Somewhere this heaven. 1111 01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:24,490 One of the best programs I ever heard was called CBS Views the Press. 1112 01:15:24,950 --> 01:15:26,770 A great many people liked it, some didn't. 1113 01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:29,470 But no one would say it was anything but honest. 1114 01:15:29,690 --> 01:15:31,990 It was the work of an honest reporter, Don Hollenbeck. 1115 01:15:32,470 --> 01:15:34,430 He also worked occasionally on See It Now. 1116 01:15:35,190 --> 01:15:37,730 He did the 11 p .m. news over some of these stations. 1117 01:15:38,710 --> 01:15:41,250 He'd been sick lately, and he died this morning. 1118 01:15:41,970 --> 01:15:43,630 The police said it was suicide. 1119 01:15:44,710 --> 01:15:45,710 Gas. 1120 01:15:46,730 --> 01:15:47,790 How much of an obit? 1121 01:15:48,940 --> 01:15:51,140 But at least we got our facts straight and it was brief. 1122 01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:53,640 That's all Don Hollenbeck would have asked. 1123 01:15:55,420 --> 01:15:57,560 Good night and good luck. 1124 01:17:19,210 --> 01:17:22,010 See it now. 1125 01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:26,010 Yeah. Circulate that memo to 41. 1126 01:17:27,170 --> 01:17:28,850 Yeah. Circulate to Stanton. 1127 01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:30,270 Circulate to Fig. 1128 01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:33,050 Everybody gets that memo. Got it? 1129 01:17:35,150 --> 01:17:37,150 Yeah. Sunday, 4 .30. 1130 01:17:37,810 --> 01:17:38,810 Yeah. 1131 01:17:39,310 --> 01:17:40,310 4 .30 Sunday. 1132 01:17:40,730 --> 01:17:42,610 All right. 1133 01:17:43,350 --> 01:17:44,350 Yep. 1134 01:17:44,610 --> 01:17:45,610 Yep. 1135 01:17:46,010 --> 01:17:47,010 Thank you. 1136 01:17:53,410 --> 01:17:56,450 Joe, Shirley, can I talk to you both? 1137 01:17:57,230 --> 01:17:58,410 Let's use the editing room. 1138 01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,570 Billy, could you excuse us for a minute? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1139 01:18:15,330 --> 01:18:16,330 Shirley? 1140 01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:22,640 Fine, Fred. 1141 01:18:27,820 --> 01:18:31,100 Is there a problem, Fred? I want to ask you both a question. 1142 01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:33,960 But I don't want you to answer it. 1143 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:36,560 Just consider it. 1144 01:18:38,260 --> 01:18:39,620 I know you two are married. 1145 01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,880 Everyone knows. That's not my question. 1146 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:49,060 In the next few weeks... 1147 01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:52,270 I have to lay a couple of people off. 1148 01:18:53,890 --> 01:19:00,090 We're making some significant cuts across the board. I wanted you to know 1149 01:19:00,090 --> 01:19:06,230 because if you have any intention in the near future of starting a family, 1150 01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:11,110 I would say to you that you could save someone else from being fired. 1151 01:19:13,610 --> 01:19:19,410 I'm asking you to consider making this decision a little easier. 1152 01:19:24,940 --> 01:19:26,320 I don't need an answer now. 1153 01:19:26,940 --> 01:19:28,240 Just think about it. 1154 01:19:40,620 --> 01:19:46,160 Well, this is worse. 1155 01:19:49,220 --> 01:19:51,440 We're really going to miss you around here, Joe. 1156 01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:05,240 Everybody knew. 1157 01:20:07,820 --> 01:20:14,060 Yeah. But the problem isn't simply that you lost your sponsor. Even with Alcoa, 1158 01:20:14,100 --> 01:20:17,480 CNN still loses money. $50 ,000 last week's show we did for less than the 1159 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:23,260 We'll find another sponsor. $64 ,000 question. Brings in over 80 ,000 in 1160 01:20:23,260 --> 01:20:25,980 sponsors and it costs a third of what you do. 1161 01:20:26,180 --> 01:20:32,250 Ed. I've got Tuesday night programming. It's number one because people just want 1162 01:20:32,250 --> 01:20:35,470 to enjoy themselves. They don't want a civics lecture. 1163 01:20:35,690 --> 01:20:39,850 What do you want, Bill? Well, I don't want a constant stomachache every time 1164 01:20:39,850 --> 01:20:42,590 take on a controversial subject. 1165 01:20:43,170 --> 01:20:45,210 That's the price you have to be willing to pay. 1166 01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:46,470 Careful, Ed. 1167 01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:51,330 Let's walk very carefully through these next few moments. 1168 01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,800 The content of what we're doing is more important than what some sponsor... No, 1169 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:03,640 no, no, what you're doing. Not me, not CBS. CBS News, see it now, they all 1170 01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:04,619 belong to you. 1171 01:21:04,620 --> 01:21:08,960 Well, you wouldn't know it. What is it, credit that you want? I never censored a 1172 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,360 single program. 1173 01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:16,380 No, I kept our affiliates who just wanted entertainment from us, and I 1174 01:21:16,380 --> 01:21:17,620 keep our license. 1175 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,720 With the same politicians you were working to bring down, and I never said 1176 01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,780 you. Not once. I would argue that we have done well by one another. 1177 01:21:26,060 --> 01:21:29,920 I would argue that this network is defined by what the new department has 1178 01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,620 accomplished. I would also argue not saying no is not the same as not 1179 01:21:35,940 --> 01:21:36,940 Really? 1180 01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,980 You should teach journalism. 1181 01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:46,000 Well, let me ask you this. Why is it that you always refer to him as the 1182 01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,100 senator from Wisconsin? 1183 01:21:47,550 --> 01:21:49,370 Because he's the junior senator from Wisconsin. 1184 01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:52,910 Not likely. 1185 01:21:53,970 --> 01:21:55,890 You taunt him, Ed. 1186 01:21:56,370 --> 01:21:58,650 Like a cat with a ball of string. 1187 01:21:59,750 --> 01:22:02,110 But now you see you've opened the door. 1188 01:22:02,650 --> 01:22:04,790 News with a dash of commentary. 1189 01:22:06,450 --> 01:22:09,710 What happens when it isn't Edward R. 1190 01:22:09,930 --> 01:22:11,670 Murrow minding the store? 1191 01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:18,010 What do you want to do, Bill? 1192 01:22:20,210 --> 01:22:25,790 I'm going to take your show from half an hour to an hour, but it won't be a 1193 01:22:25,790 --> 01:22:28,370 weekly program and it won't be on Tuesday night. 1194 01:22:29,210 --> 01:22:30,210 When would it be? 1195 01:22:30,290 --> 01:22:32,530 Sunday afternoon. 1196 01:22:35,150 --> 01:22:36,650 How many episodes? 1197 01:22:37,730 --> 01:22:38,730 Five. 1198 01:22:43,690 --> 01:22:45,270 Why don't you just fire me, Bill? 1199 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:53,780 But I don't think it's what either of us wants You owe me five shows 1200 01:22:53,780 --> 01:23:00,420 You won't subject matter no probably not 1201 01:23:00,420 --> 01:23:07,780 He 1202 01:23:07,780 --> 01:23:11,180 wants me to lay a few people off 1203 01:23:11,180 --> 01:23:15,440 I'm sure 1204 01:23:16,670 --> 01:23:20,210 Let's do the next show about the downfall of television. 1205 01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:26,830 So if the Senate votes to censure McCarthy, what happens then? 1206 01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:29,970 He sits in the back row. 1207 01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:33,230 But they don't kick him out. No, he stays. 1208 01:23:33,570 --> 01:23:36,230 He just loses all of his power. 1209 01:23:36,810 --> 01:23:38,810 He's already lost all of his power. 1210 01:23:40,050 --> 01:23:41,050 Right. 1211 01:23:41,630 --> 01:23:43,470 Now they just teach him a lesson. 1212 01:23:47,980 --> 01:23:51,360 They're moving, see it now, to Sunday afternoons. 1213 01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:55,840 Uh -oh. 1214 01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,060 How many episodes? 1215 01:23:59,580 --> 01:24:00,580 Five. 1216 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,740 Well, might as well go down swinging. 1217 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,940 We'll do the story about the migrant farm workers. Make a couple of enemies. 1218 01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:18,310 The most trusted man in America is Milton Berle. 1219 01:24:19,410 --> 01:24:20,410 See? 1220 01:24:21,010 --> 01:24:22,830 Maybe you should have worn a dress. 1221 01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:25,950 My legs are too skinny. 1222 01:24:26,690 --> 01:24:27,870 Feel like a scotch? 1223 01:24:28,510 --> 01:24:29,510 Scotch is good. 1224 01:24:29,970 --> 01:24:32,630 Did you know that Joe and Shirley were married? 1225 01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:36,210 Sure. Did everyone know? 1226 01:24:37,090 --> 01:24:38,330 Pretty much. 1227 01:24:43,340 --> 01:24:50,140 And if I did, I beg your pardon. Let us not assassinate this lad further. 1228 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,620 Have you done enough? 1229 01:24:52,860 --> 01:24:56,640 Have you no sense of decency, sir? 1230 01:24:56,900 --> 01:25:01,740 At long last, have you left no sense of decency? 1231 01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:04,160 I know this hurts you, Mr. Wells. 1232 01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:06,400 Senator, 1233 01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:11,440 I think it hurts you too, sir. 1234 01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:17,060 I'd like to finish this. Mr. McCarthy, I will not discuss this further with you. 1235 01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:22,960 You have sat within six feet of me and could have asked me about Fred Fisher. 1236 01:25:23,380 --> 01:25:25,440 You have seen fit to bring it out. 1237 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:32,500 And if there is a God in heaven, it will do neither you nor your cause any good. 1238 01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,000 I will not discuss it further. 1239 01:25:35,220 --> 01:25:38,140 I will not ask Mr. Cohen any more witnesses. 1240 01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:42,840 You, Mr. Chairman, may, if you will, call the next witness. 1241 01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,100 Are there any questions that come from the members of the chair? 1242 01:25:54,240 --> 01:26:00,740 I begin by saying our history will be what we make of it. 1243 01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,420 as we are, then history will take its revenge and retribution will not limp in 1244 01:26:07,420 --> 01:26:08,420 catching up with us. 1245 01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,640 Just once in a while, let us exalt the importance of ideas and information. 1246 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:20,020 Let us dream to the extent of saying that on a given Sunday night, the time 1247 01:26:20,020 --> 01:26:25,120 normally used by Ed Sullivan is given over to a clinical survey on the state 1248 01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,320 American education. 1249 01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:31,220 And a week or two later, the time normally used by Steve Allen. 1250 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,800 is devoted to a thoroughgoing study of American policies in the Middle East. 1251 01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:41,120 Would the corporate image of their respective sponsors be damaged? 1252 01:26:41,380 --> 01:26:44,840 Would the stockholders rise up in their wrath and complain? 1253 01:26:46,220 --> 01:26:49,940 Would anything happen other than a few million people would have received a 1254 01:26:49,940 --> 01:26:52,920 little illumination on subjects that may well determine the future of this 1255 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:53,920 country? 1256 01:26:55,620 --> 01:26:59,860 To those who say people wouldn't look, they wouldn't be interested, they're 1257 01:26:59,860 --> 01:27:00,860 too... 1258 01:27:00,969 --> 01:27:04,170 complacent, indifferent, insulated. 1259 01:27:05,670 --> 01:27:10,990 I can only reply there is, in one reporter's opinion, considerable 1260 01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:15,390 against that contention. But even if they are right, what have they got to 1261 01:27:16,710 --> 01:27:20,050 Because if they are right and these instruments are good for nothing but to 1262 01:27:20,050 --> 01:27:25,750 entertain and amuse and insulate, then the tube is flickering now. 1263 01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:29,710 And we will soon see that the whole struggle is lost. 1264 01:27:38,410 --> 01:27:41,410 Ladies and gentlemen, here he is, Pat Stalino. Good evening, I'm Mike Waller. 1265 01:27:41,470 --> 01:27:44,950 This is a program of fact, news, information, and observation. 1266 01:27:45,210 --> 01:27:49,770 Thank you very much. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. 1267 01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:54,030 Our goal is not the victory of might. From Dallas, Texas. But the vindication 1268 01:27:54,030 --> 01:28:00,670 right. The flash, apparently official, President Kennedy died at 1 p .m. 1269 01:28:00,670 --> 01:28:01,670 Standard Time. 1270 01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:07,250 Socket to me, socket to me, socket to me, socket to me. 1271 01:28:10,220 --> 01:28:14,320 Here at Kent State University to find a name. The President's a crook. Well, I'm 1272 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:18,560 not a crook. The Space Shuttle Challenger has exploded. Mr. Gorbachev, 1273 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,960 this wall. It doesn't fit. If it doesn't fit, you must exist. You're supposed to 1274 01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,780 be married in three weeks. What are you doing living here? 1275 01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:28,580 You are not the father. 1276 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:30,740 Weapons of mass destruction. 1277 01:28:31,060 --> 01:28:33,000 Get rolled by the Bush administration. 1278 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,280 He's got him. He's got him. 1279 01:28:34,460 --> 01:28:36,520 This isn't the World Trade Center. 1280 01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:40,210 What exactly happened on 9 -11? 1281 01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:44,190 Conspiracy theories continue to saturate the internet. Terrorist. He was wearing 1282 01:28:44,190 --> 01:28:45,190 this tan suit. 1283 01:28:45,610 --> 01:28:48,210 Santa just is white. The big lie. 1284 01:28:48,850 --> 01:28:53,850 Companies called Dominion. Another in a series of stolen elections. President 1285 01:28:53,850 --> 01:28:55,550 Biden has a photographic memory. 1286 01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:57,920 Totally focused. He's very sharp in meetings. 1287 01:28:58,500 --> 01:29:03,860 Alternative facts to that. FBI operatives were organizing the attack on 1288 01:29:03,860 --> 01:29:06,720 Capitol. FBI had 26 of their people on the inside. 1289 01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:08,240 False flag operation. 1290 01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,800 Millions of dollars in apologizing to the federal defamation lawsuit. AP 1291 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:16,360 reporter was barred from an Oval Office event. Also from Air Force One. Has 1292 01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:22,200 barred the Associated Press. The United States has retracted. A false story 1293 01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,160 about a Democratic ambassador is extremely dangerous. 1294 01:29:35,139 --> 01:29:38,560 Please raise your right hand and repeat after me. 1295 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:19,440 These instruments can teach, they can illuminate, they can 1296 01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:20,440 even inspire. 1297 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,040 But they can do so only to the extent that humans are determined to use them 1298 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:28,040 those ends. 1299 01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:31,840 Otherwise, they're merely wires and lights in a box. 1300 01:30:34,180 --> 01:30:39,860 There is a great and perhaps decisive battle to be fought. 1301 01:30:41,870 --> 01:30:47,850 Against ignorance, intolerance, indifference. 1302 01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:53,670 It's a fight for the very soul of this republic. 1303 01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:58,350 And so the question is a very simple one. 1304 01:30:59,850 --> 01:31:02,670 Not what power unchecked can do. 1305 01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:04,690 We have seen that answer. 1306 01:31:06,070 --> 01:31:07,070 No. 1307 01:31:08,970 --> 01:31:10,350 The question is, 1308 01:31:12,340 --> 01:31:14,340 What are you prepared to do? 1309 01:31:41,710 --> 01:31:43,310 The fault, dear Brutus. 1310 01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:54,030 Good night. 1311 01:31:54,710 --> 01:31:55,710 And good luck. 1312 01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,480 Let's get away from the law. 1313 01:33:17,260 --> 01:33:20,680 You've been watching an exclusive live production of Broadway Play, Good Night 1314 01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,600 and Good Luck, starring George Clooney here on CNN. 1315 01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:27,320 The first time that Broadway Play has been broadcast live around the world. 1316 01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,840 can see the cast still up on the stage. You're seeing George Clooney, who Tony 1317 01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:33,100 nominated for his performance in this production. 1318 01:33:33,420 --> 01:33:36,520 We're going to speak to some of them shortly. I'm Anderson Cooper. Welcome to 1319 01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,960 our post -show special, Good Night and Good Luck, Truth and Power. 1320 01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:43,080 We're about a mile away from the Winter Garden Theater with a live studio 1321 01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:45,740 audience of journalism and communication students and professors. 1322 01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:48,120 all of whom watched tonight's performance. 1323 01:33:48,500 --> 01:33:52,280 The world of journalism and media that they are studying and may soon enter is 1324 01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:55,420 vastly different in many ways than Murrow's day, but there are, of course, 1325 01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:57,840 parallels to what Murrow faced as well. 1326 01:33:58,100 --> 01:34:01,240 I'm joined here by a panel of renowned journalists and writers from the world 1327 01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:02,960 television, newspapers, and podcasts. 1328 01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:06,900 I'll also talk exclusively with the former anchor of the CBS Evening News 1329 01:34:06,900 --> 01:34:10,140 the longtime 60 Minutes correspondent, Scott Pelley, about why he's there with 1330 01:34:10,140 --> 01:34:11,280 journalism and he's under attack. 1331 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,480 And we've got CBS and his ongoing legal battle with President Trump. 1332 01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,480 With me right now, Walter Isaacson, professor of history at Tulane 1333 01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,360 former CEO of CNN. He actually hired me. 1334 01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,780 He's also the author of numerous bestselling books about Leonardo da 1335 01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:27,320 Steve Jobs, Elon Musk, and others. 1336 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:31,280 Also here, Connie Chung, former co -anchor of the CBS Evening News. She was 1337 01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:35,100 an anchor here at CNN, as well as ABC and NBC News. She's the author of the 1338 01:34:35,100 --> 01:34:36,100 book, Connie. 105567

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