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on the practice.
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Dozens of kids have been abused in this
state alone and the church knew what was
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going on, did nothing about it, and let
it continue.
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And what do you propose we do, Eugene?
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I propose you stop giving the current
institution the money. I propose you be
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more angry.
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Have you ever thought about leaving the
church over?
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Bobby, the church is not just the
priests.
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It's you and me.
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We are the church.
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I'm leaving the church, Father.
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What do you mean?
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The sex abuse scandal. The offending
clergy makes up a microscopic portion of
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the priesthood.
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But the church is concealment. It's
enabling these priests to destroy so
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young lives.
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You can't just leave.
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Goodbye, Father.
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We've been doing it in this very church
for 17 years, Eleanor. The problem is it
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made the news, and it's open season on
aberrant religion.
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Our faith is partly Roman Catholic.
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It's not nearly as aberrant as you'd
like.
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Sacrificing animals is out there,
Stanley, at least in the eyes of
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America. Let's just be clear about that.
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I was just saying that we all have our
rituals.
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Look at Christianity and communion.
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They drink the blood of Christ and they
eat his body.
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That's symbolic.
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You actually kill the animal.
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I don't understand.
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The exact same issue the Supreme Court
already ruled on and we won. The
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difference here is the law is facially
neutral. It's not targeted at religion,
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but only to stop cruelty.
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Even so... Look, I think we should
consider a plea.
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Fine.
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I'll admit to the facts.
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I did what they say I did.
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But I will not stand up in a court of
law and acknowledge any form of guilt.
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That's not going to do it.
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Public opinion is very against you here.
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Well, if I say I'm guilty, it's the
equivalent of apologizing for my
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Add to that.
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They can shut our doors.
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We need a victory here, Eleanor.
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I can't promise it.
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It's a goat.
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For God's sake, they're gonna put me in
jail for killing a goat.
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That's what I'm telling you.
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They will.
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He's insisting on trial?
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I tried to dissuade him, trust me.
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Donnie, I'm Dolan. Are you free in case
I need some research?
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I'm free. Free exercise clothes.
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Why do we seem to be getting so many
cases about religion?
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Hey, if I could make this about
religion, we'd win.
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Unfortunately, the statute goes to
cruelty and the language is neutral.
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What about a de facto burden?
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That's possible for appeal, but...
Bobby, Judge Swackheim's office. You're
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wanted. Now.
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What do you mean? He wants you in
chambers.
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He says to bring a friend.
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His lawyer fell out. The case has
already been continued six times, and
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dead soon. Why us?
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Helen Gamble is the DA, and you've had
experience against her.
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Also, you're on the short list of
lawyers willing to defend scum. Meet
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client, and I'll see you in the
courtroom tomorrow.
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What's the case?
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Statutory rape.
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I don't want it.
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I didn't ask.
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Ten o 'clock tomorrow morning.
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And the court thanks you both.
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You were doing a news piece?
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Yes, we heard what was going on and we
were able to sneak in a camera.
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Mr. Danforth, could you tell the court
exactly what you observed?
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We saw that man, the defendant, kill a
baby goat.
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He basically slaughtered it.
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Okay, I'm going to play a portion of
this news piece.
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Objection.
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Overruled. And I'm going to ask you,
sir, if it fairly reflects what you saw
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that day. Your Honor, I renew my
objection.
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Counsel. We have stipulated that my
client causes animals to be sacrificed
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part of religious worship.
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This tape is only being introduced to
inflame the jury. The charge isn't
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killing. It's cruelty. In order to make
that finding... Then let him describe
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what he saw. We don't need to see his
media -slanted version of it. Ms. Fred,
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think we can handle the footage.
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If you think it doesn't accurately
portray the events, you can cross
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Okay. You can see he has a baby goat in
his hand.
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And it's alive.
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Not for long, it isn't.
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Keep watching.
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What's he doing now?
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He's letting the blood drain into a
bowl.
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It's pretty disgusting.
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Objection. Sustained.
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That's all I have.
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I saw your news piece.
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You seemed pretty outraged, Mr.
Danforth. I was. I found what your
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be outrageous.
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I see.
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Do you eat meat?
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Do I eat meat?
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Yes. Ever have a hamburger?
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Yes, I eat meat. Do you know how cows
are killed?
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I believe they're slaughtered.
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Would it surprise you to know that their
throats are slit much in the same way
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as this goat died?
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I'm not a fan of slaughterhouses, but at
least the animal was killed for
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sustenance.
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We eat cows.
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So it's not the manner in which the
animal is killed, but it's what it's
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for. Look, I'm not going down this road.
I just filmed it.
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It's up to you people to decide if it's
illegal.
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Fair enough.
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By the way, do you know what became of
the goat after the ceremony?
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No, I do not.
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They ate it.
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Does that make a difference?
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I didn't force him.
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I never forced him. Mr. Orbis, he's 13
years old.
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Whether you forced him or not... We were
very close.
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That's not a defense either.
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I was good to him.
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Very good.
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I'd help him with his homework.
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And I gave him money.
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In exchange for sex?
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No. He did work at my house.
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He'd help clean.
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And we became close.
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I loved him.
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And he loved me.
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He still loves me.
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I know.
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He's the lead prosecutorial witness.
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He's only doing this now because his
mother is making him.
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She told him he can't come over anymore.
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She's making him do this.
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I love him, and I believe he loves me.
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It's his mother.
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Did your other lawyers ever discuss a
plea bargain?
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I can't do prison.
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They kill child molesters in prison.
Prison is unacceptable.
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I'm telling you, it's the mother.
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Contact the kids' school. Teachers,
principal, guidance counselor. I'll try
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interview the social worker.
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Who do you want?
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The mother or the boy?
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Sorry? This case is pretty much two
witnesses. The mother and the victim.
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one do you want?
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Personally, I think it's a mistake for
the client to go in with two lawyers.
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Makes it seem... Nice try.
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But since this goes tomorrow, there's no
time. We've got to split this up.
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Who do you want?
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I'll take the mother.
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Great. Our pedophile has two priors. Did
you know that?
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He's sick.
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What's your point?
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My point is, how effective can we really
be expected to be on one day's notice?
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I don't want to hear that.
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We do our best.
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Fine.
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There is a problem here.
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We can win this.
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He was starting to go down in school,
which I couldn't understand because he's
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always been a good student.
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Well, did you talk to your son about
this?
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Yes. He said there was nothing wrong.
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I said I thought he was spending too
much time with him. Him?
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The defendant.
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He'd hired Justin to do some yard work.
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Then they became friends.
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He was over there all the time, it
seemed.
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Did you suspect anything sinister about
this relationship?
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No. I had no idea that he had this porno
film collection or that previously
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he... Could you tell us what happened to
your son?
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Well, with his grades getting worse, I
grounded him. I told him he had to come
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home directly after school.
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May I ask, where was Justin's father?
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We've split up and he doesn't... He's an
absent father, which is another reason
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why I thought he bonded with the
defendant.
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Okay.
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What happened after you grounded Justin?
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Well, I didn't see any improvement at
school, so I started to give him other
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consequences, like no baseball, no
television.
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I even took away his stereo.
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Nothing seemed to work.
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And then finally, he told me what was
going on. Which was?
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He told me that he was having sex with a
defendant,
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and that he was...
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feeling shame over it and that he was
having trouble sleeping.
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And what did you do?
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I notified the police. I... I called the
police.
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Actually, you waited two days to call
the police, didn't you, ma 'am?
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Yes. Your son tells you he's raped.
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You don't call for two days?
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At first, I just... I couldn't believe
it. I thought maybe he was trying to
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escape punishment or... You thought he
was making it up.
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I was just so stunned at first. I
couldn't believe it.
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I guess I was desperate not to believe
it.
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But once it sank in that it was true, I
called the police.
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You mentioned your son wanting to escape
punishment.
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You mean being grounded, missing
baseball, that sort of thing?
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Yes. How about you hitting him?
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You ever hit your son, Mrs. Langer?
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Objection. Where is this going? Your
Honor, sometimes kids will say anything
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make the beating stop. I did not beat
him. Short leash.
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Speed it up. Did you ever hit your son,
Mrs. Langer? I spanked him sometimes.
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I did not beat him. Did you spank him on
account of his grades going down? I
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spanked him once or twice.
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There were not beatings, and I certainly
never hurt him.
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Did you ever hit your son for using
drugs?
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He once used marijuana that your client
gave him, and yes, I spanked him.
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Do you work, Mrs. Langer?
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Yes. What do you do for work?
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I'm a waitress in a restaurant.
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Could you tell me your hours?
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Three to eleven.
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Three in the afternoon till 11 at night?
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Yes. Weekdays?
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Yes. When did your son get home from
school?
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Between two and three.
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Wow, so you barely see him during the
week.
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Possible he could have made this story
up to get your attention?
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No. That is not possible.
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Ever know your son to tell you things
that maybe weren't true?
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No. Your son always speaks the truth.
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Yes. He is a truthful person. Yes, he
is.
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And yet, when he tells you he was
raped...
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You don't call the police for two days.
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Good job.
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What are we doing here?
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It's basically a traditional African
religion with elements of Roman
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Catholicism. But the reason we're all
here is because of one particular
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Yes. Can you tell the jury why sacrifice
animals?
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It's a way of honoring the Orisha.
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which literally means head guardian.
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In simplest terms, the animal's blood is
offered. The sacrifice is said to
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please the saints and bring purification
and forgiveness of sins.
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You have to acknowledge, Mr. Jolie, that
does seem a little barbaric. We know
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that American culture rejects it, and we
therefore try to be as discreet as
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possible, even secretive. We've never
tried to impose our rituals or beliefs
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upon the public.
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And in fact...
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The only reason we're here today is
because the media invaded us.
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Does the animal suffer?
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The sacrifice is almost always quick and
as humane as possible.
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So it's your testimony that what we all
saw on the television screen, in your
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eyes, there was no animal cruelty. We
try to be as humane as possible.
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And you do that with lambs, goat,
turtles, guinea pigs, sheep?
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All those animals, you slit their
throats and offer the blood to your
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Yes.
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He did well, considering.
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But? But he couldn't undo that
videotape, Eugene. How could he? That
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that's what the jury's going to take
back to that room, that squealing goat.
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Well, Eleanor, if it's a tale of the
tape, then get yourself some tape.
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What do you mean?
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I mean this is America.
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You think Santorians are the only ones
to kill animals?
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Sit.
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You think I want that piece of crap
walking?
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Tell me the ideology of the criminal
lawyer, if you remember.
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To check the state's power to
incarcerate people at will. You get a
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Now look at me.
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Look at what's going on out there.
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The state regularly jails people without
due process, then calls them material
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witnesses, and locks them up without
even filing charges, much less giving
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a hearing.
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You're talking about terrorist suspects.
Who says it has to stop there?
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You don't think there are people out
there who want to extend that policy to
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suspected child molesters?
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I understand the system, Judge, and I
appreciate my role in it.
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Then why are you here?
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I have to get up tomorrow and attack a
13 -year -old rape victim.
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And I don't want to do it.
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Well, you will.
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And if I tank it?
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Please.
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You don't think I just pulled your name
out of a hat?
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You okay?
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Yeah.
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It's just... This isn't exactly what I
went to law school for, Eugene.
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Fighting for serial goat killers.
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Are you serious?
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I don't know.
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Why did you go to law school?
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Clarence Darrow.
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I read his clothing on Leopold and Loeb
over and over and over.
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For me, it was the Constitution.
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I was 12, and I couldn't understand half
of it, but I knew this was something.
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And you know the part that especially
got me?
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Freedom of religion.
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I know that probably sounds funny,
considering how I've been acting towards
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religion lately, but that amendment, it
said to me that at least in principle,
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this country stands for tolerance.
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And Eleanor, of all the constitutional
liberties that need protecting today,
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freedom of religion.
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I understand that. I really do, but...
But what?
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I like goats.
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Trust me, Eleanor.
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This case is exactly why you went to law
school.
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As a member of the American Humane
Society, you've had occasion to
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document the footage we're about to see.
All the footage is accurate and has
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been verified.
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Can you narrate, Miss Elder?
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That is a cow being killed at a
slaughterhouse in Texas.
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A pig.
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Chicken.
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Examples of trapping.
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Laboratory testing.
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Baby seals. This is Canada, not the U
.S.
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The question becomes, Miss Elder,
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Are these isolated events?
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Isolated? Certainly not.
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It goes on every day.
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Miss Elder, I'm curious. Did you get a
chance to see the tape showing what goes
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on in the defendant's church?
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I did. In your opinion, did you find the
defendant's actions to constitute
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animal cruelty?
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Objection. She can give a lay opinion,
not legal.
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He slid a goat's neck and let the blood
drain out.
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It was repulsive.
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Justin, if you want to stop or you feel
you need to take a break, you tell me.
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Okay. You said the two of you started to
become friends.
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Yes. After I'd finished my work, we'd
play cards and games.
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And then we started to watch videos and
stuff.
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What kinds of videos?
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Well, at first, just comedies and stuff,
like The Nutty Professor and Austin
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Powers.
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And after a while, sex videos.
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And these videos, men and women were
having sex?
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Some men and women.
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But mostly just men and men.
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Or men and boys.
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What did you think when you saw this?
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I don't know.
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I guess it kind of grossed me out.
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But, you know...
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Mitchell, he said it was very common for
men to have sex with each other.
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What did you think of that?
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I don't know.
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Jackson, at some point, did you and
Mitchell Orbis have sex?
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Yes. Could you tell us about it?
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Justin, look, I know this is very
difficult for you, but you're completely
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safe here, I promise.
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We need for you to tell us what
happened.
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He, um, he would touch my private.
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By touch?
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How would he touch you?
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With his hand, with his mouth.
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His mouth?
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Yeah. He would put his mouth on my
privates. By privates, you mean...
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My penis.
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And he would ask me to put my mouth on
his penis.
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Did you?
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Yes.
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Justin, I promise you, I'm almost done.
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How many times did this happen?
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A lot.
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A lot.
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More than ten times?
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Yes.
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More than twenty?
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Your Honor, I think we should take a
small break.
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He never cried.
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He liked it.
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I think that his mother told him to cry.
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I promise.
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He never cried.
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This isn't a case about religion.
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It is about cruelty to animals.
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You saw the tape.
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This man dangled a baby goat as people
danced behind him, and he slit its
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throat. He does it with pigs, sheep,
turtles, chickens, doves, pulls
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out his knife or box cutters.
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Objection! There has never been a
suggestion of box cutters. I only meant
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cutting instruments.
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We all know what you meant, and I object
to the blatant innuendo. All right.
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Careful, Mr. Brenner.
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We're not here today to pass judgment on
the century in faith.
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All of us, every one of us, is free to
choose our form of worship. Of course we
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are. But the exercise, the practice of
religion has never been absolute.
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Whether it's public health or safety or,
yes, even morals, the state can step in
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and say, whoa, can't do that.
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Here, they torture and mutilate animals
in an open and notorious manner.
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We as a society don't tolerate that.
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How could we?
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We don't tolerate it?
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What society is he talking about?
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We live in a society that slaughters
animals for food. We kill them for fur
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coats. We poison them to test new drugs.
We torture animals all the time.
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We even murder them for sport.
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We hunt, we fish, we walk up to deer
with our shotguns and we blow off their
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heads. We yank fish out of the water and
we let them suffocate at the bottom of
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our votes. If you want to convict my
client for being cruel, fine.
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But don't you dare do so under some
cloak of humanity that we as a society
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don't torture animals.
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And I would submit.
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That if we say it's okay to hunt them
down and to maim them for recreation,
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vanity, or even for Thanksgiving, how do
we say no
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00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:07,600
for worship?
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A traditional worship that dates back
over a thousand years.
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Personally, I don't like what they do.
But you simply cannot condemn this man
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under some theory.
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00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,540
That killing animals isn't tolerated by
the United States of America because it
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is.
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00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Every time you eat a hamburger, you not
only tolerate it,
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you proliferate it.
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00:25:43,580 --> 00:25:47,720
It's a pretty serious thing to accuse
someone of statutory rape, Justin.
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How long had this been going on for?
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Three months or so.
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And you never told anybody?
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I was too embarrassed.
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You started getting in trouble at
school, didn't you? I saw detentions for
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fighting, swearing at a teacher.
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00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,840
Do you get suspended for swearing at a
teacher?
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No. No?
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00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:09,940
Oh, that's right. The principal thought
this behavior was a cry for attention.
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00:26:10,580 --> 00:26:12,200
Do you remember him saying that?
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00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,580
Yes. Ever accuse another kid at school
of doing anything to you?
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00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:19,320
Russell Lefevre?
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00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,280
Did you once accuse Russell Lefebvre of
punching you from behind?
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00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,480
Yes. Did Russell Lefebvre punch you?
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00:26:27,540 --> 00:26:28,540
No.
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00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:29,840
You made it up?
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00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,220
I'm not making this up. You made it up
against Russell. I can explain that.
429
00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,660
You don't have to explain. Just tell us,
yes or no.
430
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,720
Did you make up false accusations
against Russell Lefebvre?
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00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,300
Yes. Ever get caught cheating on a test,
Justin?
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00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,460
Once. That's cheating.
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00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,160
And lying.
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00:26:50,220 --> 00:26:52,760
Objection. Withdrawn. Do you take drugs,
Justin?
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00:26:52,980 --> 00:26:54,880
All right. This is the accusing witness.
436
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:56,560
Go ahead.
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00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,580
Ever smoked marijuana, Justin?
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00:26:59,140 --> 00:27:01,760
Yes. You got caught smoking it at
school, didn't you?
439
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,940
Yes. You told the principal that you got
it from one of the high school kids.
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00:27:06,020 --> 00:27:09,100
You told your mother you got it from Mr.
Orbis. Who were you lying to, the
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00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:11,040
school principal or your mother, Justin?
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00:27:11,260 --> 00:27:12,440
I got it from Mitchell.
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00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,020
So you lied yet again to the principal.
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00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,820
Yes, but I didn't want to...
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00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,400
After you were caught with drugs,
Justin, you got suspended then, didn't
446
00:27:21,780 --> 00:27:24,000
Yes. And this is when...
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After
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you were suspended for drugs,
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00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:43,960
how did your mother react?
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00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:45,220
She was angry.
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00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:46,380
Angry?
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00:27:46,670 --> 00:27:47,670
Did she hit you?
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00:27:47,790 --> 00:27:54,270
She spanked me. And this is when you
suddenly declared that Mr. Orbis had
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molested you.
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00:27:55,530 --> 00:27:57,430
Did you say that for sympathy, Justin?
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00:27:57,790 --> 00:27:59,730
No. It's the truth.
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00:28:00,030 --> 00:28:04,590
I see. So your mother, two days later,
finally decided to believe you, and she
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00:28:04,590 --> 00:28:05,590
called the police.
459
00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:08,610
And when you talked to the police, you
had to give them a lot of different
460
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:09,650
statements, didn't you?
461
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:13,990
Yes. The first two times you met with
the police, you said nothing about Mr.
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00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:15,530
Orbis putting his mouth...
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00:28:15,740 --> 00:28:21,720
On your penis or yours on his. You never
said that, did you, Justin? I was too
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00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:23,480
embarrassed. Too embarrassed?
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00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,640
When did you come up with the idea to
add that part?
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00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:29,200
Objection. Overruled. You made that up,
didn't you, Justin?
467
00:28:29,460 --> 00:28:34,040
No. Justin, do you understand that you
have an obligation to tell the truth
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00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,920
here? We're not in the principal's
office now. We're in court.
469
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,220
Your lies are hurting people.
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00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:40,960
I am telling the truth.
471
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,860
So this isn't another false accusation?
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This time you're sticking with it?
473
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,620
Objection! Withdraw, nothing further.
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00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:54,860
Commonwealth rests, Your Honor.
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00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,020
Mr. Donnell, you could call your first
witness tonight, or we can wait and
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tomorrow.
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00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:04,980
Counsel, did you hear me?
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The defense rests, Your Honor.
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I can't talk now. Can't talk?
480
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,340
How about just looking me in the eye
then, Bobby? Can you do that?
481
00:29:43,300 --> 00:29:44,300
You hypocrite.
482
00:29:44,820 --> 00:29:48,220
You leave the church accusing us of
enabling sex offenders. There's a
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between... There's a difference?
484
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Yes.
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Between representing somebody who's
committed a crime and protecting his
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so he can go on committing it, there's a
big difference. That's crap.
487
00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:02,100
I gotta leave. Then you're gonna have to
knock me over because I'm not moving,
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00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,080
you son of a bitch, until you listen to
what I have to say.
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00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:07,450
You're helping him secure his freedom.
490
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:13,010
How is that not enabling more rapes? I
was ordered by the court. Then quit your
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profession.
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00:30:14,430 --> 00:30:18,070
You're a man that's quite capable of
walking out of a door, Bobby. We both
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00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:22,410
that. Walk out on the legal profession
like you walked out on the church.
494
00:30:22,690 --> 00:30:27,610
How dare you judge me or the Catholic
people? Too bad you can't save some of
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00:30:27,610 --> 00:30:28,910
your rage for your fellow priests.
496
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:31,970
I have plenty of rage for them, believe
me.
497
00:30:33,290 --> 00:30:38,570
And I'm standing here right now
condemning you, mostly for your
498
00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:40,410
Step away from the door, Father.
499
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:41,770
I'm going.
500
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:45,930
Allow me, Bobby, to walk out on you.
501
00:30:57,550 --> 00:30:59,870
I bet Helen chased him down and set him
in motion.
502
00:31:00,070 --> 00:31:03,240
Helen? to distract me. How the hell
would he even know what case I'm doing?
503
00:31:03,380 --> 00:31:04,380
Bobby, it's been in the papers.
504
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,640
We'll be just like her.
505
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,560
Okay, you need to take a breath.
Lindsay, this is no time.
506
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Helen Gamble did not go running to a
church to rattle you, and if you think
507
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,840
that, you're rattled already.
508
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:17,380
Maybe you should let Jimmy close.
509
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,400
I can close.
510
00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:21,100
Bobby. I can close, damn it!
511
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,600
make up their minds so fast.
512
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,200
They're decisive.
513
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Hang in there.
514
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,860
I prayed all night.
515
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,900
Used up six cats.
516
00:31:43,820 --> 00:31:45,160
That was a joke.
517
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:48,900
Madam foreperson, the jury has reached
the verdict.
518
00:31:49,380 --> 00:31:50,380
We have, Your Honor.
519
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Will the defendant please rise?
520
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:55,780
What say you?
521
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,580
The Commonwealth versus Stanley Jolie on
the charge of cruelty to animals.
522
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,020
We find the defendant, Stanley Jolie,
not guilty.
523
00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:10,640
The jury is dismissed with the thanks of
the court.
524
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,280
We're adjourned.
525
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:15,340
Congratulations.
526
00:32:15,700 --> 00:32:16,700
Thank you.
527
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:22,860
Eleanor, I know this ritual you found to
be personally repugnant, which makes
528
00:32:22,860 --> 00:32:26,300
your defense of it and my rights all the
more heroic.
529
00:32:27,140 --> 00:32:28,140
Thank you.
530
00:32:30,570 --> 00:32:32,270
Heroes are not easily found.
531
00:32:32,530 --> 00:32:38,790
It takes an enormous amount of courage
for a victim of child molestation to
532
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:39,790
forward.
533
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:41,810
Most don't.
534
00:32:42,510 --> 00:32:47,030
Most think it's somehow their own fault
and the shame is too much to bear.
535
00:32:47,770 --> 00:32:54,510
And for those who can overcome the
embarrassment, there's the prospect of
536
00:32:54,510 --> 00:32:58,890
having to sit in a courtroom day after
day with the man who raped you.
537
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:04,700
We live in a country where the suspect
has a constitutional right to confront
538
00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:05,700
his accuser.
539
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:10,120
And somewhere along the way, confront
became attack.
540
00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:12,340
You saw it here.
541
00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:18,100
With Justin Langer being assaulted in
that chair by defense counsel.
542
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,740
One almost had to wonder, was it worth
it?
543
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,800
Well... When the alternative is a rapist
going on to possibly rape other
544
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,940
children, yeah, it's worth it.
545
00:33:34,500 --> 00:33:37,160
That's why I consider this young man to
be a hero.
546
00:33:37,460 --> 00:33:41,820
He came into this room to face down the
man who raped him.
547
00:33:43,900 --> 00:33:47,360
And his testimony is uncontroverted.
548
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,340
He told you how the defendant...
549
00:33:52,890 --> 00:33:57,870
would repeatedly engage him in acts of
oral copulation. How this man with a
550
00:33:57,870 --> 00:34:04,450
library of pornographic videos would use
those videos to seduce this child.
551
00:34:05,270 --> 00:34:07,090
He's 13 years old.
552
00:34:08,630 --> 00:34:09,630
13.
553
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:12,170
And he was raped.
554
00:34:14,590 --> 00:34:17,350
Pedophiles repeat their crimes.
555
00:34:19,489 --> 00:34:20,489
Please.
556
00:34:21,870 --> 00:34:24,730
Don't give this one the opportunity to
do so.
557
00:34:50,699 --> 00:34:52,420
Miss Gamble talked about our system.
558
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,760
Rights of defendants and victims.
559
00:34:56,139 --> 00:35:00,120
You know that 90 -something percent of
all defendants are guilty?
560
00:35:01,020 --> 00:35:02,020
Think about it.
561
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,560
By the time they get to trial, they've
been judged guilty many times.
562
00:35:07,220 --> 00:35:11,440
You got the accuser and the arresting
officers, the detectives, then a grand
563
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:17,200
jury, then probable cause. We got all
these mini steps along the way, each of
564
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,660
them concluding the same thing.
565
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:23,060
The guy did it.
566
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:30,600
And since the facts, you see, DAs, they
just want to give a good,
567
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,660
accurate presentation of the facts.
568
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:44,140
But defense lawyers, our job is to skew
them.
569
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,600
We stand up to distort, bend, hide the
truth if necessary.
570
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,280
And if you got a guilty guy, which we
usually do, what?
571
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,640
We're going to hope the jury gets the
right idea?
572
00:35:56,180 --> 00:35:58,440
My craft, smoke and mirrors.
573
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,560
Defeat.
574
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:03,920
Criminal defense attorneys aren't about
searching for the truth. Are you
575
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,000
kidding? Mr. Donald.
576
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,240
That's our system.
577
00:36:06,580 --> 00:36:11,600
The DA has to prove guilt beyond all
reasonable doubt, and defense lawyers
578
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,960
doubt. Whenever, wherever, with all the
discipline that that perverted bastard
579
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,840
probably spews semen on his walls. I'd
like to finish my closing argument.
580
00:36:22,100 --> 00:36:24,860
This man, I think he's guilty.
581
00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:28,660
I'm sure as hell not supposed to say
that, but I think he did it.
582
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,920
The problem is... I can't be sure.
583
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,080
Neither can you.
584
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,060
Because all we have is one witness.
585
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,500
Sympathetic, definitely.
586
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,900
Compelling, no doubt.
587
00:36:51,460 --> 00:36:52,480
But credible?
588
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,300
His own mother waited two days to call
the police because even she didn't
589
00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:58,300
believe him at first.
590
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:04,040
He has a history of leveling false
accusations, a history of lying and
591
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,840
a track record of crying out for
attention, a history of drug use.
592
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:12,520
The story itself changed with different
statements to the police.
593
00:37:14,020 --> 00:37:19,660
On the possibility that Mitchell Orbis
really did commit these crimes,
594
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,840
I hope he goes away.
595
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:30,440
But in this country, we don't take away
a man's freedom on the possibility of
596
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,240
guilt or likelihood, even an
overwhelmingly strong likelihood.
597
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:40,160
You have to find guilt beyond all
reasonable doubt.
598
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,040
And I'm sorry.
599
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:47,440
You can't get there with one lone
witness, especially one whose word lacks
600
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:53,140
credibility. My client may be scum, but
there is no real case against him in
601
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:54,180
this courtroom today.
602
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:59,560
Which means the heroes here have to be
you.
603
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,400
You have to go back to that room.
604
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,300
Uphold your oath to our system.
605
00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:12,910
Because if you don't... God forbid the
day
606
00:38:12,910 --> 00:38:17,430
comes when the only thing standing
between our freedom and a prison cell is
607
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:19,470
accusing finger from a child who lies.
608
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:25,210
Because that's all we have here today,
ladies and gentlemen.
609
00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:34,450
One accusing finger from a child who's
been known...
610
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:36,820
To lie.
611
00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:10,620
Could I have a second in private,
please?
612
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:24,380
Bobby, the reason I felt so violated by
your decision to leave the church...
613
00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:29,840
You see, the church, to me, isn't an
institution.
614
00:39:30,580 --> 00:39:32,620
It's not a cardinal or the pope.
615
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:36,620
It's first and foremost my parish.
616
00:39:38,060 --> 00:39:39,060
The people.
617
00:39:40,100 --> 00:39:47,020
So, by your leaving, it was in some
way... I understand that you
618
00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:50,700
look to me for spiritual and moral
leadership.
619
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:54,080
And obviously, I fail to provide it.
620
00:39:55,300 --> 00:40:00,880
But if I could retract yesterday's
condemnation and substitute it with some
621
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,140
guidance, no.
622
00:40:05,580 --> 00:40:07,240
A criminal justice system.
623
00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:11,560
Obviously, we need defense lawyers to do
what they do.
624
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,600
But, Bobby, from a spiritual and moral
standpoint,
625
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,780
is this any way for a man to live his
life?
626
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:28,800
I'm sorry.
627
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,740
You're not going to believe this.
628
00:40:31,500 --> 00:40:32,500
Jury's coming back.
629
00:41:02,730 --> 00:41:07,130
Mr. Foreman, has the jury reached a
unanimous verdict?
630
00:41:07,530 --> 00:41:08,530
We have, Your Honor.
631
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:10,670
Will the defendant please rise?
632
00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:15,210
Mr. Foreman, what say you?
633
00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:18,150
In the matter of the Commonwealth v.
634
00:41:18,370 --> 00:41:24,950
Mitchell Orbis, on the count of
statutory rape, sex with a minor, we the
635
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:31,820
finding a strong likelihood of guilt,
regrettably, Return a
636
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:33,080
finding of not guilty.
637
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,700
Members of the jury, this concludes your
service.
638
00:41:38,220 --> 00:41:43,980
I caution you. You will be subjected to
inquiries from the press seeking to
639
00:41:43,980 --> 00:41:45,080
explore your decision.
640
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:49,700
None of you are required to discuss this
with the media.
641
00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:51,960
We are adjourned.
642
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:55,660
The defendant is free to go.
643
00:41:57,860 --> 00:42:00,140
Thank you so much.
644
00:42:01,029 --> 00:42:02,029
Thank you.
645
00:42:04,770 --> 00:42:05,770
Thank you.
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