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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,080 on the practice. 2 00:00:01,300 --> 00:00:02,960 I've reviewed your plea offer. 3 00:00:03,260 --> 00:00:04,260 It's rejected. 4 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,700 Why? Because your wife committed first -degree murder. 5 00:00:08,100 --> 00:00:09,300 This just can't be the facts. 6 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:15,540 It is an internal memorandum which says the victim was likely moving towards 7 00:00:15,540 --> 00:00:19,560 Lindsay Dole. It's work product. It's exculpatory. It's part of our internal 8 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:23,100 investigation. It's work product. You gave them that report. 9 00:00:23,420 --> 00:00:27,380 It was about giving defense a document they're entitled to have. 10 00:00:27,850 --> 00:00:32,150 Why didn't you at least have the integrity to be upfront about it? Before 11 00:00:32,150 --> 00:00:37,470 add me to a list of people that are out to get you, when I started here, I 12 00:00:37,470 --> 00:00:38,490 wanted to be you. 13 00:00:38,970 --> 00:00:44,210 I find your misconduct to be deliberate, egregious, and outrageous. 14 00:00:44,590 --> 00:00:50,070 I am dismissing the indictment with prejudice. The defendant is to be 15 00:00:50,070 --> 00:00:51,070 immediately. 16 00:00:51,390 --> 00:00:52,390 Take me home. 17 00:01:05,069 --> 00:01:06,070 Am I wrong? 18 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:10,610 Tell me if I'm wrong. You're not wrong. I certainly don't want to force their 19 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:12,130 hand, but... Let's go. 20 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:23,150 Sorry to keep you... Listen. 21 00:01:23,610 --> 00:01:29,350 For many reasons, we feel, and we feel strongly, we should plead guilty to 22 00:01:29,350 --> 00:01:30,350 manslaughter. 23 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:33,490 What? Roland, they have a strong case. 24 00:01:33,930 --> 00:01:40,230 Our defense, our entire defense, is predicated on religious freedom, which, 25 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:44,330 this moment in time, has become one of our less precious civil liberties. 26 00:01:44,690 --> 00:01:49,790 If you read the newspapers, you... We don't. Well, if you would, you'd get a 27 00:01:49,790 --> 00:01:51,510 pretty good gauge on the public's reaction. 28 00:01:51,770 --> 00:01:55,670 We don't care what the public thinks. To the extent it reflects the attitude of 29 00:01:55,670 --> 00:01:57,610 your peers, you need to care. 30 00:01:58,270 --> 00:02:01,270 Twelve members of the public will be sitting in that jury box. 31 00:02:01,590 --> 00:02:05,050 The layperson is outraged that you didn't take your son to a hospital. 32 00:02:05,490 --> 00:02:10,210 John Q has no use for Christian science other than to train his dog with your 33 00:02:10,210 --> 00:02:11,210 newspaper. 34 00:02:11,410 --> 00:02:17,350 Roland, you picked a bad time to let somebody die in the name of a God. 35 00:02:21,930 --> 00:02:28,260 And it is our united view that if we push this to trial, both of you, Could 36 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,260 to prison for life. 37 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,920 You're both decent people. 38 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,600 We don't question you. We know you did what you believed would save Peter. 39 00:02:37,580 --> 00:02:39,920 But you will lose at trial. 40 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,360 We need to take the deal. 41 00:03:45,450 --> 00:03:49,090 The public's not going to be happy with the plea, I tell you that. It's pound of 42 00:03:49,090 --> 00:03:49,948 flesh time. 43 00:03:49,950 --> 00:03:52,970 You think the public's going to be disappointed? Try Helen. She's been 44 00:03:52,970 --> 00:03:54,470 the furniture getting ready for this one. 45 00:04:02,570 --> 00:04:03,570 Hello. 46 00:04:05,510 --> 00:04:06,530 Hi. Hey. 47 00:04:06,770 --> 00:04:09,830 I thought you were coming back. 48 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:11,150 So soon? 49 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:13,630 Well... 50 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:16,600 Hi. Hi. 51 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,480 Jamie Stringer. 52 00:04:18,660 --> 00:04:20,040 I'm a big fan of yours. 53 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,540 I'm so totally at your desk. Let me move. 54 00:04:23,840 --> 00:04:26,400 Congratulations on being cleared. It was so overdue. 55 00:04:26,840 --> 00:04:30,480 Actually, I wasn't cleared. I got out on a technicality. But thank you. 56 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:32,620 I am so totally at your desk. 57 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:38,440 What the? 58 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,740 Pat, are you all right? If you want something, go around. 59 00:04:58,180 --> 00:04:59,760 First of all, what's going on? 60 00:04:59,980 --> 00:05:00,980 Are you leaving? 61 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,040 I'm done. 62 00:05:02,620 --> 00:05:04,140 Retiring. You're retiring? 63 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:05,920 I can't make the rent. 64 00:05:06,420 --> 00:05:07,580 I'm being evicted. 65 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Did you throw this? 66 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:10,840 That's mine. 67 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,720 Yeah, it came through our window. 68 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,500 I must have overshot the box. 69 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,240 Or shot it. It sailed halfway into our office. 70 00:05:18,500 --> 00:05:19,500 Sorry. 71 00:05:25,780 --> 00:05:28,860 And the plea of manslaughter is acceptable to the Commonwealth? 72 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:33,700 Yes, Your Honor, with a joint recommendation for a six -year sentence 73 00:05:33,700 --> 00:05:36,020 immediately upon the entering of the verdict. 74 00:05:36,660 --> 00:05:38,440 Mr. and Mrs. Hubert, please rise. 75 00:05:41,420 --> 00:05:45,440 Mr. Hubert, do you understand that you are pleading guilty to the charge of 76 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,640 voluntary manslaughter? 77 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:51,380 Yes, Your Honor. And by doing so, you are acknowledging guilt and criminal 78 00:05:51,380 --> 00:05:53,680 responsibility for the death of your son. 79 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,820 Mr. Hubert, I asked you a question. 80 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,380 Do you acknowledge your guilt and responsibility in the death of your son? 81 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,900 God. took my son, Your Honor. We did everything we could to save him. 82 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,580 If that's how you feel, why, sir, are you pleading guilty? 83 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,440 Because counsel has advised us to. 84 00:06:22,220 --> 00:06:24,780 Mrs. Hubert, do you also maintain you are innocent? 85 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:26,480 Yes, Your Honor. 86 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:29,080 The plea bargain is rejected. 87 00:06:29,380 --> 00:06:32,300 Trial will begin tomorrow morning, 9 a .m. We are adjourned. 88 00:06:33,020 --> 00:06:34,020 Chambers, Your Honor. 89 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,120 Do you dare? 90 00:06:35,740 --> 00:06:36,740 Chambers. 91 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:39,420 Are you okay? 92 00:06:42,340 --> 00:06:43,340 I'm fine. 93 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,980 A client can choose to plead guilty even while maintaining innocence. 94 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:54,480 Not with me, he can't. Come on, 90 % of all pleas are based on an analysis of 95 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:58,080 winning percentages. They have nothing to do with actual marriage. I don't 96 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,460 accept guilty pleas from people claiming innocence. To do so would be a farce. 97 00:07:02,460 --> 00:07:05,340 Our clients have a right to negotiate down from a murder to conviction. 98 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,540 Every defendant has that right. Eugene, I realize. 99 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,260 that nine out of ten judges would go along, but I don't. If somebody says 100 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:18,100 they're innocent, I don't let them come stand in my courtroom and declare guilt 101 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:19,700 for the purpose of improving disposition. 102 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:21,340 It's a mockery. 103 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:24,700 The trial starts tomorrow. 104 00:07:27,340 --> 00:07:29,260 Try to get over your disappointment, Helen. 105 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,360 Of course you're happy. Plea bargains suck. 106 00:07:35,660 --> 00:07:37,580 It's like a tie game. Nobody wins. 107 00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:40,270 The Japanese, they don't believe in compromise. 108 00:07:40,630 --> 00:07:45,530 No such thing as win -win for the Japs. There can be no victory unless the other 109 00:07:45,530 --> 00:07:46,530 guy loses. 110 00:07:46,850 --> 00:07:48,330 You know, that sounds racist. 111 00:07:48,730 --> 00:07:52,750 Oh, come on. Isn't that some hypocrisy? It's okay to call Jewish women Japs, but 112 00:07:52,750 --> 00:07:58,290 we can't call Japs Japs? Well, it's not okay to refer to Jewish women as Japs. 113 00:07:58,570 --> 00:08:01,630 And I'm becoming increasingly concerned about you. 114 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:02,850 Is that why you're here? 115 00:08:03,110 --> 00:08:04,590 To tell me that you're worried? 116 00:08:08,770 --> 00:08:09,890 Actually, no. 117 00:08:12,090 --> 00:08:14,850 I'm worried about Mrs. Hubert's unborn child. 118 00:08:15,150 --> 00:08:18,870 She had a contraction in the courtroom today. She's almost eight months. 119 00:08:19,190 --> 00:08:22,790 Her first child was born a month early. There were complications. 120 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:24,470 They didn't go to the hospital. 121 00:08:25,090 --> 00:08:27,330 Little boy almost died of asphyxiation. 122 00:08:27,750 --> 00:08:28,750 You know this how? 123 00:08:28,950 --> 00:08:33,549 Well, I learned it during my investigation. Is there a way we can 124 00:08:33,549 --> 00:08:36,690 fetus? We have no jurisdiction over an unborn. 125 00:08:38,110 --> 00:08:39,650 What about social services? 126 00:08:39,870 --> 00:08:41,650 They don't have it either. It's been tried. 127 00:08:41,909 --> 00:08:45,790 You can thank your women's rights groups for that. We've prosecuted women for 128 00:08:45,790 --> 00:08:49,750 killing their unborn fetuses, so can't we make the argument if a fetus is a 129 00:08:49,750 --> 00:08:52,530 person for the purpose of charging murder... It won't fly. 130 00:08:52,970 --> 00:08:56,730 I need you to think of something. That baby could be in danger. 131 00:09:00,170 --> 00:09:01,390 Try section 12. 132 00:09:03,070 --> 00:09:05,530 You put a hold on the mother on psychiatric grounds. 133 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,420 You put an end around the Constitution, the courts are much more predisposed to 134 00:09:11,420 --> 00:09:13,860 say yes there, especially if you have the right judge. 135 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:17,960 I'll do it. 136 00:09:18,820 --> 00:09:22,020 What do you mean you'll do it? I mean I'll do it. It's a bit of a sell. 137 00:09:22,340 --> 00:09:25,980 It'll mean more if the divisional chief himself appears in court. I don't think 138 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:26,980 that's a good idea. 139 00:09:27,340 --> 00:09:33,020 Why? Well, I... I think you might be leaping at the chance to take on this 140 00:09:33,020 --> 00:09:35,960 again. After losing Lindsay Dole... Nonsense. 141 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,260 I'm driven by the merits of the case. 142 00:09:38,460 --> 00:09:40,840 It's time we start protecting the unborn children. 143 00:09:41,260 --> 00:09:43,880 This is a person. Eight months. 144 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,120 It's viable. 145 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:46,180 It's a life. 146 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,720 And to say it doesn't have any vested rights because it hasn't been delivered, 147 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:55,080 all the while the delivery itself is being jeopardized. It's insane. 148 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:56,820 This case is ripe. 149 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,040 It's important. 150 00:09:58,490 --> 00:10:01,010 It needs to be made forcefully and publicly. 151 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:02,950 I'll do it. 152 00:10:14,390 --> 00:10:17,930 This is not a stunt. Come on, Helen, you take her into custody. How does that 153 00:10:17,930 --> 00:10:21,410 not prejudice the jury? The jury has sequestered Buttnuts. They won't have to 154 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:23,990 know. Mr. Walsh. Did he call me butt nuts? 155 00:10:24,210 --> 00:10:28,350 Look, we have a viable baby in potential danger. The law is clear. 156 00:10:28,570 --> 00:10:32,550 They cannot assert their religious rights. Where's the danger? Premature 157 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:36,110 delivery like her last child who almost died from having an umbilical cord. That 158 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:40,210 hardly gives you ground. These wackos won't go to doctors. Mr. Walsh, that is 159 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:41,210 quite enough. 160 00:10:41,670 --> 00:10:46,030 Your Honor, it makes the most sense to simply delay the criminal trial until 161 00:10:46,030 --> 00:10:49,630 after she gives birth. That way... It makes no sense to do that, given there's 162 00:10:49,630 --> 00:10:53,430 no basis to take Wendy Hubert into custody. Section 12, Chapter 123. 163 00:10:53,910 --> 00:10:56,950 Read the law. Are you against that on principle? You're going to lecture me on 164 00:10:56,950 --> 00:10:58,690 rules? Both of you, shut up. 165 00:10:59,330 --> 00:11:01,770 There will be no further delay of this trial. 166 00:11:02,030 --> 00:11:03,310 We start this morning. 167 00:11:04,150 --> 00:11:07,350 Mr. Walsh, if you think you can make a Section 12 showing, you're going to have 168 00:11:07,350 --> 00:11:10,150 to take it before another judge. I want the proceedings sealed. 169 00:11:10,780 --> 00:11:14,820 If you get your order, come back to me and I'll figure out a way to impose it 170 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:16,220 without prejudicing the trial. 171 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:21,960 Do any public yapping and I will declare a mistrial and hold you in contempt. 172 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,740 It would be a mistake to regard that as judicial bluster. 173 00:11:25,980 --> 00:11:26,980 This is ridiculous. 174 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:31,340 Eugene, a child's life is in danger. That child's not in danger, Helen. This 175 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:34,160 nothing to do with that child. What are you, a doctor now? I've heard enough. 176 00:11:34,580 --> 00:11:35,580 Into court. 177 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:36,800 Let's go. 178 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,120 All right, I'm on my way. 179 00:11:40,830 --> 00:11:43,810 Walsh is going to a separate court to get Wendy held on a Section 12. 180 00:11:44,070 --> 00:11:48,170 What? How? It's a ploy to get her in custody until the baby's born. Jamie, I 181 00:11:48,170 --> 00:11:50,570 need some research. You're coming with me. Excellent. Bring your computer. Make 182 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:52,590 sure it's charged. We'll get on Westwall in the cab. Right. 183 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:53,910 Come on. 184 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:57,930 Start with Section 12, Chapter 123, Emergency Restraint of Dangerous 185 00:12:01,370 --> 00:12:02,590 Lindsay, what are you doing? 186 00:12:04,190 --> 00:12:05,190 Just sitting. 187 00:12:05,550 --> 00:12:06,770 I got good at it in prison. 188 00:12:08,010 --> 00:12:09,010 Is everything okay? 189 00:12:10,910 --> 00:12:12,310 Fine. I'm fine. 190 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:15,310 Okay. 191 00:12:16,430 --> 00:12:17,430 Come on. 192 00:12:19,610 --> 00:12:22,290 There's a huge adjustment to being on the outside again. 193 00:12:22,570 --> 00:12:27,250 She's been in jail a month, Jamie. I'm just saying, get on the computer. 194 00:12:27,590 --> 00:12:28,590 Right. 195 00:13:20,460 --> 00:13:25,020 The official cause of death was adult respiratory distress syndrome, ARDS for 196 00:13:25,020 --> 00:13:29,980 short. Although this was a child, the diagnosis is the same. It was brought on 197 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:30,980 by the hantavirus. 198 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:35,240 Doctor, could you explain the hantavirus to the jury? 199 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:40,240 Basically, it's a virus found in rodents, which when exposed to humans 200 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,240 attack the lungs. 201 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:42,880 How are humans exposed? 202 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:44,420 Most of the time. 203 00:13:44,650 --> 00:13:49,230 Through the saliva, urine, or feces of the rodent. If Peter touched a dead 204 00:13:49,230 --> 00:13:53,390 or a dead rat, that could have done it. Or he could have simply inhaled dust 205 00:13:53,390 --> 00:13:56,390 that contained dried rodent urine or feces. 206 00:13:56,590 --> 00:13:59,030 We don't know exactly how he was exposed. 207 00:13:59,390 --> 00:14:00,470 But you're sure he was? 208 00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:04,610 Absolutely. The autopsy concluded that was the cause of death. 209 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:08,110 Doctor, would he have had any symptoms? 210 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:10,850 Acute. They would have started flu -like. 211 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:15,020 Fever, coughing, headaches, then progressively gotten worse. 212 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,960 Muscle aches, breathing problems, lungs filling with fluid. 213 00:14:19,460 --> 00:14:23,360 This boy was in a lot of distress and died a very painful death. 214 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:24,640 Objection, speculation. 215 00:14:25,500 --> 00:14:30,720 Sustained. Doctor, is there medical treatment that could have saved Peter? 216 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,460 Oxygen therapy, antiviral drugs, fluids. If he'd been taken to a doctor 217 00:14:35,460 --> 00:14:36,840 immediately, he wouldn't be dead. 218 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:38,700 Objection. In my opinion. 219 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:40,790 I'll allow it. 220 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:42,390 Thank you. 221 00:14:42,410 --> 00:14:43,410 That's all. 222 00:14:48,370 --> 00:14:52,870 So medical care could have saved this boy's life. You can state that to a 223 00:14:52,870 --> 00:14:53,870 medical certainty? 224 00:14:54,470 --> 00:14:55,690 Probability. Probability. 225 00:14:55,970 --> 00:14:57,410 How probable, doctor? 226 00:14:57,730 --> 00:14:59,770 I can state it to a substantial likelihood. 227 00:15:00,250 --> 00:15:01,690 Really? You must be quite a doctor. 228 00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:05,810 Do you mean if Peter Hubert had come to you personally? This is badgering. I 229 00:15:05,810 --> 00:15:06,810 apologize. 230 00:15:07,290 --> 00:15:11,450 How many diagnosed cases have there been of the hantavirus in the last 10 years, 231 00:15:11,570 --> 00:15:18,570 doctor? Since 1993, we've had 326 diagnosed. Of those cases, how many 232 00:15:18,570 --> 00:15:19,570 have died? 233 00:15:19,710 --> 00:15:20,710 122. 234 00:15:21,650 --> 00:15:27,070 122. Of those 122 cases, how many have sought medical help? 235 00:15:27,330 --> 00:15:31,010 Most. Most. And yet 122 people have died. 236 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,640 Doctor, isn't it possible Peter Hubert also might have died, even if he had 237 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,760 gotten medical attention? 238 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,960 Possible, but with early... Thank you, Doctor. 239 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,580 You answered my question. 240 00:15:45,580 --> 00:15:49,040 There is ample authority for the Commonwealth to hold a pregnant mother. 241 00:15:49,260 --> 00:15:50,480 I didn't ask you for authority. 242 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:52,850 I said, tell me why she's a nutcase. 243 00:15:53,110 --> 00:15:56,510 I would submit, Your Honor, any woman who exposes her child to danger, 244 00:15:56,670 --> 00:16:01,270 potentially fatal danger, the benign assessment would be nutcase. No, he's 245 00:16:01,270 --> 00:16:04,650 saying there's a presumption of psychiatric infirmity for any Christian 246 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:08,130 scientist. I am not saying that. You most certainly are. Don't be putting 247 00:16:08,130 --> 00:16:11,570 statements into my mouth. I certainly am capable of spewing my own nonsense. 248 00:16:12,210 --> 00:16:16,130 Your Honor, this woman is currently on trial for murder. I don't think it's 249 00:16:16,130 --> 00:16:18,590 presumptive of me to have doubts. Yes, it is, Counsel. 250 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:20,170 She hasn't been convicted. 251 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,000 The presumption, then, is one of innocence. 252 00:16:23,620 --> 00:16:28,740 Remember that one? That would be per constitutional right. I am before you 253 00:16:28,740 --> 00:16:30,160 on the rights of the child. 254 00:16:30,500 --> 00:16:34,760 There is no burden on the court when weighing the best interest of the child 255 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,960 constitutionally safeguard the mother. Are we supposed to let this baby die and 256 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,200 then say, hey, but at least we didn't trample the civil liberties of mommy 257 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,040 dearest? That's crap. 258 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,520 And I'll say so. 259 00:16:46,540 --> 00:16:49,060 Nobody is saying forget about the child. 260 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,240 We are just asking, how is it in danger? By being in the womb of a woman who 261 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,420 won't get medical help. Her last delivery almost resulted in death. 262 00:16:58,810 --> 00:17:04,530 He survived only to die three years later from the fumes of a dead rat, 263 00:17:04,530 --> 00:17:10,210 this mother didn't do a damn thing about. She has a history of 264 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:14,230 birth. She's having contractions. She has a history of doing nothing when her 265 00:17:14,230 --> 00:17:16,750 kids are facing life -threatening dangers. 266 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,440 You guys, could you come with me a second? 267 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Lindsay, what's going on? 268 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,740 Oh, I just got this table out of storage. 269 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:50,320 I just thought I'd sit here while I get used to being back. 270 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,320 I'm kind of enjoying the quiet. 271 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:54,680 Oh. 272 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:56,800 Okay. 273 00:18:00,590 --> 00:18:01,590 He looked terrible. 274 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:03,110 He would get dizzy. 275 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:04,410 He would vomit. 276 00:18:05,030 --> 00:18:06,610 He had excruciating headaches. 277 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:10,250 How often did you have occasion to see Peter Hubert? 278 00:18:10,570 --> 00:18:13,270 At first, I saw him a lot. I was an invited guest. 279 00:18:13,710 --> 00:18:14,910 Wendy and I were good friends. 280 00:18:15,150 --> 00:18:16,210 Your next -door neighbors? 281 00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:21,230 Yes. But the more I implored her to take the child to the hospital, the more 282 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:24,150 estranged we became, to the point where I wasn't invited. 283 00:18:24,610 --> 00:18:28,330 At what point during his illness did this estrangement take place? 284 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:29,690 It was building. 285 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,720 But when I called the ambulance myself, that was pretty much it. I wasn't 286 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,880 invited into the house anymore. 287 00:18:36,140 --> 00:18:37,280 You called an ambulance? 288 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,440 Yes. I couldn't take it. 289 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:41,440 He looked like he was going to die. 290 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:43,540 Did an ambulance come? 291 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,840 Yes. And they sent him away saying that it was a false alarm. 292 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,920 About two weeks after that, Peter did die. 293 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,660 During the course of Peter's illness, did you witness his parents doing 294 00:18:57,660 --> 00:18:59,100 about it? They would pray. 295 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:01,400 Lots and lots of praying. 296 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:02,620 Just the two of them? 297 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:06,900 No, sometimes people would come over, group prayings. And during the illness, 298 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:09,480 did it ever appear Peter's condition was improving? 299 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,480 A couple of times. The symptoms seemed to subside, but then they would return. 300 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,260 So they prayed and things at least temporarily got better. 301 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,280 That happened, what, once or twice? 302 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:23,440 Well, I don't think they really did get better. It just seems so. 303 00:19:24,360 --> 00:19:27,080 Yes. You were good friends with Wendy Hubert? 304 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:29,450 Yes. Was she a loving mother? 305 00:19:29,770 --> 00:19:30,770 I thought so, yes. 306 00:19:31,050 --> 00:19:34,350 At any time, did you ever question her love for Peter? 307 00:19:34,570 --> 00:19:38,330 No. Did you ever have occasion to question Roland's love for his son? 308 00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:43,290 No. As you observed them praying and praying and praying for their son's 309 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:46,170 recovery, you regarded these prayers as heartfelt? 310 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:47,570 Of course. 311 00:19:47,770 --> 00:19:51,350 After Peter's passing, did you ever have occasion to meet with the Hubrids? 312 00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:53,270 Yes, I went to them with my sympathy. 313 00:19:53,690 --> 00:19:57,430 So you had an opportunity to observe their reaction to Peter's death. 314 00:19:57,900 --> 00:19:59,860 I saw them after, like I said. 315 00:20:00,260 --> 00:20:02,580 How would you describe their reaction to Peter's death? 316 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,080 They were devastated. 317 00:20:05,500 --> 00:20:06,640 What parent wouldn't be? 318 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:10,480 Thank you, Miss Esten. 319 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,720 I've never seen Swackheim deliberate this long over a decision. 320 00:20:24,780 --> 00:20:25,880 Truth is... 321 00:20:26,510 --> 00:20:29,070 I never figured he gave any thought at all to his rulings. 322 00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:32,390 I thought he just flipped a coin, the lazy hack. 323 00:20:35,850 --> 00:20:39,070 Why did you come after me with all the personal attacks in the Dole case, 324 00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:40,150 Eleanor? 325 00:20:41,070 --> 00:20:42,070 I want to know. 326 00:20:42,670 --> 00:20:43,750 Part of it was strategy. 327 00:20:44,730 --> 00:20:47,470 Part of it was your antics truly offended me. 328 00:20:48,490 --> 00:20:51,250 Don't you regard your behavior toward me as slightly vicious? 329 00:20:52,670 --> 00:20:53,670 Maybe. 330 00:20:55,820 --> 00:20:56,880 I went to see a shrink. 331 00:20:57,460 --> 00:21:00,240 You know what he told me? I could be sexually frustrated. 332 00:21:01,380 --> 00:21:05,820 Why is it shrinks are all Freudian, sex -obsessed, depraved perverts? 333 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,220 They think everything is sex. 334 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,040 How often you get laid? 335 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,720 Big bone girl. 336 00:21:14,900 --> 00:21:15,900 Can't be too often. 337 00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:20,080 You, on the other hand, probably rent rooms by the hour. Little tramps coming 338 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,360 out of law school these days. 339 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,720 Look at you. 340 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,660 Cherubic little sperm magnet. 341 00:21:25,830 --> 00:21:28,670 Did you just call me Cherubic, Jamie? 342 00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:34,330 He had a fever, but he'd had fevers in the past. 343 00:21:34,830 --> 00:21:38,670 Our course of treatment had always been prayer, cold compacts. 344 00:21:39,050 --> 00:21:43,150 These treatments had proved to be successful in the past. When you say 345 00:21:43,290 --> 00:21:48,990 five, six, over three years, you also had strep before, conjunctivitis, many 346 00:21:48,990 --> 00:21:51,710 illnesses, which we treated successfully with prayer. 347 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:54,510 We thought we would be successful here. 348 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,480 But, Mr. Hubert, when Peter started having trouble breathing... We responded 349 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,620 with more intensive treatment. 350 00:21:59,860 --> 00:22:00,860 Which was? 351 00:22:01,140 --> 00:22:03,760 Prayer. This is our faith, Mr. Donald. 352 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:07,760 I understand, but, Mr. Hubert, a lot of people are wondering how a father could 353 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,840 just let his son die. 354 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:10,240 I didn't just let him die. 355 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,040 My wife and I did everything we could to help him heal. We did what we believed 356 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,400 would help him get better. 357 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,580 We did not sit idly. We did not let my son die. 358 00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:24,410 Why not pray in the waiting room while a doctor treated your son? Because taking 359 00:22:24,410 --> 00:22:28,190 him for medical treatment would not, in our view, heal him, and we wanted him to 360 00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:31,830 recover. I'm asking hard questions, sir, because this jury would like to know 361 00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:36,470 how any loving father could just turn his back on medical assistance which has 362 00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:37,690 been proven to work. 363 00:22:40,810 --> 00:22:42,710 Every one of us draws the line somewhere. 364 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:48,330 Most people think artificial life -saving devices go too far, and they 365 00:22:48,330 --> 00:22:49,530 living wills to prohibit them. 366 00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:55,430 Sixty years ago, people considered transplanting organs to be ungodly and 367 00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:58,010 perverse. Now the line has moved. 368 00:22:58,630 --> 00:23:03,590 People are okay with it today. Today, stem cell research is considered 369 00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:08,470 totally against God and humanity. But as the arguments are made how it can save 370 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:12,290 lives, well, the line of acceptability is about to move again. 371 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:18,530 Likelihood is people will eventually embrace some form of human cloning 372 00:23:18,530 --> 00:23:22,070 as long as there is a life to be saved, how can you say no to it? 373 00:23:22,670 --> 00:23:27,130 Well, Christian scientists are simply unwilling to move the line, unwilling to 374 00:23:27,130 --> 00:23:31,390 adjust our faith to keep up with the times. There will always be new 375 00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:33,450 new technologies, new devices and inventions. 376 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,500 That doesn't change the fact that we consider this world to be a spiritual 377 00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:43,100 and that both sin and illness can only be overcome by spiritual power. 378 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:49,320 And since I believe divine healing to be my son's best chance at survival, I 379 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,320 felt the most reasonable thing that I could do was turn to it. 380 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:03,260 So while many of us draw the line at stem cell research and cloning, 381 00:24:04,300 --> 00:24:06,640 You draw it at 106 temperature. 382 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,240 Mr. Schubert, did you go to an ophthalmologist to get your glasses? 383 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:14,880 We don't consider that medicine. 384 00:24:15,180 --> 00:24:18,600 According to my records, you also visited a dentist last summer. 385 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:23,240 Again, we consider that aid, not medicine. In fact, you went during your 386 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:28,260 illness. My faith allows for aid from a dentist. It doesn't medical treatment. I 387 00:24:28,260 --> 00:24:30,820 explain that, and I object to the ridicule. 388 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,460 Do you think I came here today to ridicule you? 389 00:24:35,820 --> 00:24:40,680 You think there's a judge up there, a jury over here, all gathered to ridicule 390 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:41,680 you, sir? 391 00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:46,020 This is a murder trial, Mr. Hubert. A boy is dead. My boy. 392 00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:49,580 You say that as if you were his parent. I was his parent. And you think it's 393 00:24:49,580 --> 00:24:53,200 prejudice to hold parenting up to the standards of reasonableness. 394 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,660 Because that's what this is about, Mr. Hubert. I don't care what God you 395 00:24:57,660 --> 00:25:02,000 in. You were vested with the care of a very sick three -year -old little boy, 396 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,160 and you let him die. I did not. Yes, you did. 397 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,820 Objection! Withdrawn. Who gave you the right to exalt religion here at the 398 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:13,840 expense... You find that in the Constitution, Counsel. And does one have 399 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,000 the Constitution in order to be protected by it? What about the three 400 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,160 -olds who cannot sound out the words yet? 401 00:25:20,460 --> 00:25:24,560 Did Peter have any rights, Mr. Huber? Peter understood the basic principles of 402 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,940 our faith. Is it your testimony that your son... made an informed, competent 403 00:25:29,940 --> 00:25:35,060 decision not to go to the hospital as he lay dying in agony. 404 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:38,900 Obviously, I made the choice. Yes, you made it. And what part of the 405 00:25:38,900 --> 00:25:40,620 Constitution were you... I was his guardian. 406 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:45,820 Yes, you were his guardian, Mr. Hubert. For God's sakes, you were his guardian, 407 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,600 and you simply let him die. I did not. 408 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,960 Oh, right. 409 00:25:52,740 --> 00:25:53,740 You prayed. 410 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,200 Here's a flash, Mr. Hubert. 411 00:25:58,570 --> 00:25:59,570 We all pray. 412 00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:22,610 I haven't seen any evidence that Mrs. Hubert is a dangerous person, other than 413 00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:26,670 Mr. Walsh's assumption that she's guilty of the charges for which she hasn't yet 414 00:26:26,670 --> 00:26:27,670 been convicted. 415 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:30,460 The Commonwealth's petition is denied. 416 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,580 Just like that? 417 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,380 What do you want, a preamble? 418 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,160 Could I be heard, Your Honor? 419 00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:47,920 Every day on my job, I battle civil rights activists who bemoan 420 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,380 the erosion of the Fourth Amendment, who fight for the murderer's right to 421 00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:57,480 counsel. You know what I'm talking about. All those liberal puffer fish who 422 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,200 protesting the death penalty while they cling to a woman's right to have an 423 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,820 abortion like it's an inalienable American right, and I'm sick of it. Who 424 00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:10,980 hell is sticking up for this unborn person? He's eight months old. He's 425 00:27:11,180 --> 00:27:16,620 And yet we say he doesn't exist for the purpose of being protected because he 426 00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:20,900 hasn't passed through the great vaginal gateway like it's the Holland Tunnel. 427 00:27:21,150 --> 00:27:26,250 Where in God's name are all the pro -lifers today sticking up for this 428 00:27:26,250 --> 00:27:27,250 life? 429 00:27:27,530 --> 00:27:29,530 Why is this room empty, I ask? 430 00:27:29,730 --> 00:27:31,370 Because the proceeding is sealed. 431 00:27:31,670 --> 00:27:32,670 Anything else? 432 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:36,910 We fight for the rights of the accused, the right to abort, the right to 433 00:27:36,910 --> 00:27:40,830 exercise religion and free speech, but we don't fight for human life? 434 00:27:42,530 --> 00:27:47,390 We're like little bugs, ants, cockroaches. We're no better than the 435 00:27:47,390 --> 00:27:49,290 vermin running around on our kitchen floor. 436 00:27:49,950 --> 00:27:52,530 We should just wipe the earth clean of mankind. 437 00:27:59,310 --> 00:28:01,730 Motion to rid mankind denied. 438 00:28:02,830 --> 00:28:03,990 We're adjourned. 439 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,940 Kenneth, clearly I don't like you. 440 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:32,800 But I have always, always considered you a legal talent and an extremely 441 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,100 formidable foe. 442 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:39,780 But now... Kenneth, you need to get some help. 443 00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:45,020 You're rambling on like an evangelist on coke. 444 00:28:45,420 --> 00:28:49,360 Whether it's a vacation... Are you sexually attracted to me? 445 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:54,310 No. I'm not. 446 00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:56,150 I didn't think so. 447 00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:59,110 But the shrink threw it out, so I thought I'd ask. 448 00:29:01,230 --> 00:29:04,890 Women never are, you know, attracted to me. 449 00:29:07,130 --> 00:29:08,750 See sperm magnet over there? 450 00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:12,170 Not in my wildest dreams. 451 00:29:12,410 --> 00:29:13,910 Kenneth, you need to take a break. 452 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:16,970 Maybe. 453 00:29:18,250 --> 00:29:19,550 I am tired. 454 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,960 I seem to be tired a lot. 455 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,720 I'm tired. 456 00:29:56,650 --> 00:29:57,650 All set? 457 00:29:59,310 --> 00:30:02,910 Bobby, I want to start my own practice. 458 00:30:06,410 --> 00:30:07,409 Excuse me? 459 00:30:07,410 --> 00:30:10,170 I can rent this office, take little cases. 460 00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:14,810 Lindsay... I'm not ready to just jump back in, Bobby. I don't know when I will 461 00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:17,670 be. And this is a way for me to take baby steps. 462 00:30:18,610 --> 00:30:23,290 Start a new practice in this room? I can take little collection cases, contract 463 00:30:23,290 --> 00:30:25,790 disputes, buy parking tickets. I can even be my own secretary. 464 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:27,590 I can use your library. 465 00:30:27,810 --> 00:30:30,090 Lucy can help me with pleadings from time to time. 466 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:33,490 I like the quiet here. 467 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:41,490 Let's not think for a second this isn't about freedom of religion. 468 00:30:43,950 --> 00:30:48,090 There's not even a suggestion that Roland and Wendy Hubert didn't believe 469 00:30:48,090 --> 00:30:50,350 was capable of healing their son. 470 00:30:50,850 --> 00:30:51,950 It had in the past. 471 00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:56,470 It had cured... Peter in the past, and they believed it would do so here. 472 00:30:57,170 --> 00:31:01,250 They are on trial because the prosecution considers that belief, that 473 00:31:01,250 --> 00:31:02,970 belief, to be unreasonable. 474 00:31:04,030 --> 00:31:05,030 And you know what? 475 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:06,590 So do I. 476 00:31:07,230 --> 00:31:11,970 My kid, he goes to the hospital, but that's me. My right. Mr. and Mrs. Hubert 477 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:13,070 have their rights. 478 00:31:13,350 --> 00:31:17,230 Problem is, they picked the wrong time in the world to exercise them. 479 00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:21,870 See, the American people have no tolerance right now for somebody dying 480 00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:24,290 name of a god from an unpopular religion. 481 00:31:24,670 --> 00:31:27,570 And that's exactly why this case is important. 482 00:31:28,770 --> 00:31:30,330 But not just to the Huberts. 483 00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:32,170 To all of us. 484 00:31:33,610 --> 00:31:38,370 Every legal scholar across this country today is united in one common sentiment. 485 00:31:38,570 --> 00:31:42,710 We are one terrorist attack away from kissing the Constitution goodbye. 486 00:31:42,990 --> 00:31:45,990 Now, this case isn't about terrorism. Of course not. 487 00:31:46,460 --> 00:31:51,640 But it is one affected by it. Because our civil rights, including and 488 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,100 freedom of religion, are becoming endangered species. 489 00:31:55,700 --> 00:32:00,060 This trial would have never happened before September 11th. Never. 490 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,080 They can't even show how medical help would have saved Peter Hubert. He caught 491 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,220 deadly virus that is fatal much of the time, medical care or not. How? 492 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,200 Huh? 493 00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:18,220 How? Can you charge a couple with murder for not calling a doctor when the 494 00:32:18,220 --> 00:32:22,260 strong possibility is calling that doctor would have made no difference? 495 00:32:24,020 --> 00:32:25,120 They have no case. 496 00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:29,160 But here we are, just the same. Why? 497 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,820 Because the public is angry. 498 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,760 Somebody died, seemingly for somebody else's God, and we sure as hell don't go 499 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:36,760 for that, do we? 500 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,860 Don't you dare think this isn't a referendum on Christian science. 501 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,420 Don't you dare believe freedom of religion isn't in play here. These 502 00:32:45,420 --> 00:32:46,620 aren't murderers. 503 00:32:46,860 --> 00:32:51,320 They're loving parents. Even the prosecution's own witness told you that. 504 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,900 And Mr. Huber's testimony about the medical perversity such as transplants, 505 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:58,960 cell research, cloning, it's all true. 506 00:33:00,140 --> 00:33:02,120 Doctors playing God. 507 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,060 Well, as human beings, we all implore, let God be God. 508 00:33:10,580 --> 00:33:13,360 Well, that's what Wendy and Roland were trying to do here. 509 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,240 They were attempting to save their child by letting God be God. 510 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:32,460 If they succeed in making this about freedom of religion, they win. 511 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,260 Because we're all for the First Amendment, aren't we? One person's faith 512 00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:39,360 more right than the next guy's. 513 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,940 If I have the burden of condemning Christian science, then the prosecution 514 00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,340 loses, as it should. 515 00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:50,160 But this case has nothing to do with religion. 516 00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:57,380 This case is about parenting, something we very much hold up to the standards of 517 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:00,740 reasonableness, not to mention decency. 518 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,580 This case is about a little boy who got sick, first with a burning fever, then 519 00:34:06,580 --> 00:34:07,580 muscle pain. 520 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:13,320 Nausea, perhaps delirium. This is about a child whose lungs filled up with fluid 521 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,739 to the point where he could no longer breathe. 522 00:34:16,500 --> 00:34:18,020 To the point of death. 523 00:34:18,739 --> 00:34:25,580 All under the watch of those two people, his parents. 524 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,639 A neighbor heard the screams, called an ambulance. 525 00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:32,239 They sent the paramedics away. 526 00:34:32,860 --> 00:34:39,530 The expert evidence here which stands uncontradicted, is that Peter Hubert 527 00:34:39,530 --> 00:34:44,210 likely would have been saved had he gotten medical attention. 528 00:34:45,170 --> 00:34:51,110 So we don't need to dignify defense counsel's ridiculous claim that what 529 00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:54,310 did, what they didn't do, made no difference. 530 00:34:55,110 --> 00:35:01,050 You can believe in whatever God you want, worship the way you like, 531 00:35:01,290 --> 00:35:04,310 but when you have a child, 532 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:10,670 When you bring a child into this world, you have a duty. 533 00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:18,210 You owe that child. When you see him dying, dying a painful death 534 00:35:18,210 --> 00:35:23,970 in front of you, you have a duty to get that child medical attention. 535 00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:29,530 You cannot ignore that obligation by cloaking yourself in some religious 536 00:35:29,530 --> 00:35:30,530 freedom. 537 00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:32,510 I'm offended. 538 00:35:33,450 --> 00:35:34,049 By Mr. 539 00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:38,830 Young's trading on terrorism, on our fears over our changing world. 540 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:44,990 I assure you, I prosecuted murderers before September 11th, and I continue to 541 00:35:44,990 --> 00:35:50,110 so after. If you're looking to draw any connection, what happened September 542 00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:52,630 11th? What happened to Peter Hubert? 543 00:35:55,070 --> 00:35:59,450 Both were crimes against the very core of humanity. 544 00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:02,490 A little boy died. 545 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:11,360 He suffered because his parents wouldn't call a doctor. 546 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,700 That's why we're here. 547 00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:19,280 That is the only reason we are here. 548 00:36:35,500 --> 00:36:37,060 So now we wait. 549 00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:40,520 They'll deliberate to 5 o 'clock. If they haven't reached a verdict, they'll 550 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,900 suspend until tomorrow. 551 00:36:42,700 --> 00:36:43,780 Oh. Wendy? 552 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:45,420 Oh. 553 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,960 Remember I said this baby wasn't going to wait? 554 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,200 Now? 555 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120 Not this second, but today. 556 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,399 Okay, okay. 557 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,080 Maybe we should get the paramedics. 558 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,280 Is that okay? 559 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,840 Yeah, to take her home. Yes. We have a midwife. I'll call her. She can meet us 560 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,840 there. Oh. 561 00:37:07,950 --> 00:37:08,950 Don't you like it? 562 00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:14,050 Well, yes, but the personal stuff is usually left off the door. 563 00:37:14,370 --> 00:37:15,430 I'll take it off eventually. 564 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:19,130 But I want the people who hire me to get the idea. I'm not going to be here late 565 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:20,130 or on call at home. 566 00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:23,010 They see Mother, it makes a point. 567 00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:25,630 Yes, it does. 568 00:37:32,190 --> 00:37:33,190 How'd it go? 569 00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:35,290 Almost soon. How about you? 570 00:37:36,070 --> 00:37:37,070 I lost. 571 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,520 Well, you know Swackheim. 572 00:37:38,860 --> 00:37:45,780 Lazy, fat... Listen, uh... I'm taking some 573 00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:46,780 time. 574 00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:49,100 Go away, get some rest. 575 00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,480 I'm just gonna take some time. 576 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,460 How much? 577 00:37:57,900 --> 00:37:59,520 Oh, I don't know. 578 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,400 Until I, uh... I get better. 579 00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:12,530 You will get better. You've just been overworked, overtired. 580 00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:13,770 Yeah. 581 00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:18,050 Helen, I... 582 00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:23,650 I'm sorry. 583 00:38:27,370 --> 00:38:28,750 Just get yourself well. 584 00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:31,030 Whatever it takes. 585 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,160 I'll be fine. 586 00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:42,260 I'll be fine. 587 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,920 I'll be fine. 588 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,120 Well, 589 00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:55,860 the verdict is still out on me, but yours just came in. 590 00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:06,520 You're doing fine. You're doing great. 591 00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:12,460 Can they read the verdict without them present? 592 00:39:12,740 --> 00:39:13,740 They'll have to. 593 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,340 Madam foreperson, has the jury reached a unanimous verdict? 594 00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:37,740 We have, Your Honor. 595 00:39:38,380 --> 00:39:39,960 Almost. Keep going. 596 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:41,820 There's a couple more, honey. 597 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,420 Okay, okay. 598 00:39:43,860 --> 00:39:45,860 In the matter of Commonwealth v. 599 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,900 Roland Hubert and Wendy Hubert, on count one, murder in the second degree 600 00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:56,840 against Roland Hubert, we find the defendant, Roland Hubert, guilty. 601 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,160 On count two, murder in the second degree against Wendy Hubert, 602 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,520 we find the defendant, Wendy Hubert, guilty. 603 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:14,260 Oh, he's beautiful. 604 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,040 Here he is. 605 00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:28,640 Arrest warrants are issued for Mr. and Mrs. Hubert. 606 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,160 Your Honor, can we be allowed to surrender them? I'm sorry. Post 607 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,320 can't give you that courtesy. 608 00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:37,400 Members of the jury, thank you for your service. 609 00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:39,640 This matter is adjourned. 610 00:40:43,630 --> 00:40:44,630 A 15 -minute head start. 611 00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:46,690 Okay. 612 00:40:47,770 --> 00:40:48,770 She had a boy. 613 00:40:50,190 --> 00:40:51,190 Let's go. 614 00:40:57,630 --> 00:40:59,470 They'll take Wendy to a medical facility. 615 00:40:59,670 --> 00:41:01,850 By law, they have to at least for a day. 616 00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:05,570 What about my son? 617 00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:10,970 Social services is on their way. They take custody initially till we figure 618 00:41:10,970 --> 00:41:11,970 things out. 619 00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:13,850 Why can't he come with us? 620 00:41:14,070 --> 00:41:15,630 I'll make sure he's okay, Wendy. 621 00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:16,850 Don't you worry. 622 00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:18,510 Let's go. 623 00:41:23,090 --> 00:41:24,510 I'll wait for social services. 624 00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:33,930 What really happened? 625 00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:36,730 He goes into foster homes? 626 00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:38,210 I'm not really sure. 627 00:41:40,430 --> 00:41:41,850 He's beautiful, isn't he? 628 00:41:43,100 --> 00:41:44,680 Yeah. Would you like to hold him? 629 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,040 Sure. 630 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:50,680 I 631 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:58,940 need 632 00:41:58,940 --> 00:42:00,400 to clean up. I'll just be a second. 633 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,140 What? I'm not adopting if that's where you're going. I wasn't. I was just 634 00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:17,520 looking at an odd sight under the circumstances. 635 00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:24,120 He is beautiful. 53416

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