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Tonight, high courtroom drama. With us
now in Boston is Eleanor Frutt, attorney
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for Lindsay Dole. Good evening, Larry.
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Ms. Frutt, your client shoots a former
client, and she's raised battered woman
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syndrome as a defense?
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That's correct.
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We typically think of a battered woman
as a wife, with the batterer being the
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husband. But the syndrome is not
confined to domestic relationships.
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Okay, but how did Lawrence O'Malley...
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That or her?
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Well, without getting into the details
of our defense, he threatened to kill
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her. My client was in reasonable fear
for her life at the time Mr. O'Malley
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showed up. And this is different from
self -defense.
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How? Self -defense would be an objective
standard.
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Was it reasonable for the defendant to
use deadly force?
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Here, it's more of a subjective test.
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Was it reasonable for Lindsay Dole, in
her particular mental state, to use
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force? And this is where battered woman
syndrome applies.
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No love lost between you and the
district attorney.
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Kenneth Walsh is a fine prosecutor, but
he typically lets his thirst for
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vengeance color his actions, and he's
doing so here.
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It's a deliberate attempt to contaminate
the jury. I want her gagged right now.
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Let's add free speech to the list of
things you hate. That wasn't free
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Eleanor. Mr.
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Walsh, I am loathe to issue gag orders.
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And if I might share with you an inside
tip.
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The book on you is, you're less
effective in the room when angry. And I
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guess Miss Frutt is attempting to get
you in that state.
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And you might be best served by ignoring
her out -of -court antics. When those
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antics are for the purpose of
influencing the jury... I will watch the
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decide if she went too far.
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Now as a warning to both of you, keep it
professional.
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You know, I'm tired of your piss -ass
crap. I'm tired of your firm's piss -ass
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crap. You made a big mistake, Eleanor,
and your client's gonna pay for it for
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the rest of her life, you piss -ass,
scum -crap, dirt bastard.
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You seem mad.
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We've got a problem.
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What? Walsh just filed a last -minute
motion. He wants an unavailable witness
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instruction given to the jury.
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Who's the unavailable witness?
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Bobby.
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We have to prove guilt beyond all
reasonable doubt. That's our burden.
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Bobby Donald has the right not to
testify.
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But if he exercises that right, the jury
should know it's not the prosecution's
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fault for failing to produce a single
witness. That's not what he's trying to
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do. He's waving a flag for the jury.
Hey, Bobby Donald's not talking. He must
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hiding something.
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What's your proposed instruction, Mr.
Walsh?
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Mr. Donald was present during the
shooting.
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The defense, but not the prosecution,
could have called Mr. Donald as a
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They did not do so.
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You may infer that had Mr. Donald been
called...
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he would have given testimony
unfavorable to Miss Dole. That is
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renders spousal privilege meaningless.
Mr. Young. He brought this motion for
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them, the media. He wants it in print
that Bobby Donald had something to hide.
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If I wanted to talk to the media, I
wouldn't have went right to the morning
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shows like you people. All right.
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Mr. Young, Bobby Donald is on your
witness list.
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If you plan to call him, this motion is
moot.
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We shouldn't have to declare our hand
now.
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It's our right to call him. It's our
right not to. You're not the only one
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rights.
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Bobby Donald was the only one in the
room.
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If he doesn't want to testify, fine.
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But the jury shouldn't punish the
Commonwealth for his unavailability.
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Mr. Walsh, your motion is denied.
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We are adjourned until 1 o 'clock, at
which point trial will start.
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Come back here with evidence.
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Leave the nonsense at the door.
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Both sides are expected to open today.
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Tomorrow, the prosecution will call its
first witness.
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We're set?
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Okay.
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Bobby, something to think about. The
motion they just brought, it may have
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just for the press, but Walsh could have
had another motive.
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Which is?
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To force you to take the stand.
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If they got that instruction, we would
have no choice but to call you, and it
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makes me nervous that he wants you up
there.
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Or he wants us to think that so I don't
testify.
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Shouldn't we go?
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I'm staying here with Rebecca.
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You'll look more sympathetic, Lindsay,
without an army. We went over this,
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Eugene. I know. I'm just going over it
again.
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Why?
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Because I want so much to be in that
room, and I want you to know that.
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We all love you.
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Every one of us.
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And whether we're here or in there,
we're with you.
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And we're ready for this.
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I'm going to let you in on a little
secret.
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I'm glad Lawrence O'Malley took three in
the chest.
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The man, as you'll hear, was an accused
murderer.
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A cannibal.
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The politically correct term for him
would be damaged.
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And a part of me thinks Lindsay Dole did
us all a favor.
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I would have liked to have shot him.
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But I wouldn't have.
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Nor would any of you, because we have a
law against revenge killings.
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There are rules against firing three
bullets point blank into an unarmed man.
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It's called murder.
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The evidence will show that the
defendant executed Lawrence O'Malley.
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that. She just shot him dead in cold
blood.
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As viscerally satisfying as that may be.
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This was first -degree homicide.
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It was murder.
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Lindsay Dole doesn't even remember
shooting Lawrence O'Malley. That
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is completely blacked out. And the
evidence will show that her brain quite
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likely went black before she pulled the
trigger.
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Three years ago, Lindsay Dole was
stabbed three times by a client.
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She nearly died.
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Last year, she was stalked and
threatened by a serial killer who was
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client.
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Here, after defending Lawrence O'Malley
for multiple killing, she was stalked by
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him. He threatened to kill her.
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He showed up at her door in violation of
a restraining order, entered her house,
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and this time, this time, Lindsay
snapped.
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All of those clients came back into her
head. They were all personified by
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Lawrence O'Malley standing in her house,
threatening to kill her, and this time
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she just snapped.
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By the way, if Lindsay hadn't snapped,
she'd be dead now.
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No question.
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You were representing the victim.
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Yes. The defendant was trying to have
Mr. O'Malley civilly committed. I was
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acting as Mr. O'Malley's counsel.
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What was the disposition of that motion?
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The petition was denied. Mr. O'Malley
was not committed.
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And, Miss McConnickle, what happened
after the judge made her ruling?
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Well, Ms. Dole was not happy with the
outcome.
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She then approached Mr.
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O'Malley. Did she do or say anything?
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Yes. She said to him...
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Come near me, I'll kill you.
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Thank you.
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You said my client brought the motion to
have Mr. O'Malley committed.
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Wasn't that motion brought by the
Commonwealth of Massachusetts?
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Your client is close friends with Helen
Gamble, a district attorney. Who brought
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the motion, Miss McGonagall? Lindsay
Dole or the Commonwealth of
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Technically, the state.
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Did Mr. Walsh ask you to leave that part
out?
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Objection. Sustained.
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You testified that my client was not
happy by the ruling.
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She was a little more than not happy,
wasn't she?
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Well... She jumped up in court and
called the judge crazy. Did you not hear
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that? I heard it. As far as courtroom
decorum goes, she was out of control,
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wasn't she? I'm not going to have you
put the words out of control in my
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counsel. Did it get to a point where the
judge had to threaten Miss Dole with
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contempt? That's an interpretation.
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The judge never used the word contempt.
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I see.
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So it would be your interpretation that
Lindsay was not happy?
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Yes. Thank you.
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By the way, in your opposition to Mr.
O'Malley's commitment, you argued that
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instead of incarceration, Mr.
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O'Malley should receive treatment, did
you not?
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Yes. And as one vested in safeguarding
his interests.
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Did you take any steps to see to it that
he got that treatment?
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I was vested in safeguarding his legal
interests.
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You stood before the court, opposed to
his being committed, said, let's get him
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treatment. And after the ruling, you
just said goodbye, doing nothing to help
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him get the treatment?
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Is it because you really didn't think he
needed the treatment or that you
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just... Couldn't be bothered.
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Objection. No, I am sorry, but I will
not conceal my disgust here. Mr.
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might not be dead had this witness done
her job. You kept him on the street, you
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took your fee, and you did nothing.
Objection. Ms. Front.
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Well, at least you make for a great
witness. Ms. Front, you are one remark
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from a jail cell.
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Did I go too far?
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I don't think so.
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We had to pop her. She took a side. We
had to pop her.
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Who's up next?
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They go to forensics now.
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The blood spatter evidence shows the
victim to be here, approximately 15 feet
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from the shooter.
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Mr. Donald would have been here.
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You can tell that from? The blood
spatter on his clothing. So he would
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between the victim and the defendant?
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Correct. Any blood on Miss Doll's
clothing? No, she was too far away.
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And Mr. Illich, were you able to
determine if Mr. O'Malley was moving at
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time he was shot? He was either standing
still or moving backwards.
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How can you tell that, sir? The
trajectory of the wounds.
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Also, if he'd been moving forward at
all, his momentum likely would have
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him to fall face down.
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He was found on his back.
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Is it your testimony that it would be
impossible for the victim to have been
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moving forward at the time he was shot?
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Not impossible. I'm speaking in
likelihoods.
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I'm looking at the positioning here.
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Bobby Donald was close to being in the
line of fire, wasn't he? Well, no. He
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off to the side. So the line of fire...
Well, he was between the shooter and the
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victim. Not exactly a safe place to be,
is it, Mr. Illich?
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No. And yet, his wife fired.
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Did it make you wonder whether she had
just snapped?
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Objection! I'm only asking if the expert
crime analyst wondered.
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I'll allow it.
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Did you wonder?
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I just analyze bloodstain patterns.
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I don't get into mental states.
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You're up here to convince the jury that
the victim wasn't moving forward.
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The only relevance of that, I'd assume,
goes to whether Lindsay thought she was
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in danger.
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That goes to her mental state.
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Does it not?
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Indirectly, yes.
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Indirectly. Mr. Elich, can you make a
representation here as to Miss Dole's
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mental state or not?
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I'm not going to make any such
representation.
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Thank you.
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Yes, it is an emergency. There's an
intruder in my house. Where is he? His
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is Lawrence O'Malley. He's here in
violation of a restraining order. He's
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dangerous, and I need for you to send
somebody now. The address is 1312 Beacon
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Street, apartment 4.
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Mr. Forbes, in the background, we can
hear other voices.
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Yes, those voices were identified as
belonging to Mr. Donnell and the victim.
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Lawrence O'Malley. Were you able to
detect what they were saying?
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Yes. We were able to both isolate and
enhance their conversation.
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Okay.
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Yes, it is an emergency. There's an
intruder in my house.
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What's wrong?
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I promise I'm not here to cause anybody
any harm. I just need to talk to her,
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please.
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That's when she hung up?
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Thank you, Mr. Forbes.
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You have no idea what transpired after
she hung up. Well, I know she shot him.
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Yes. Between the time she hung up and
she fired, you don't know what was said
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what happened. Correct?
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Correct.
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The defense is expected to begin
tomorrow with their psychiatric
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Dr. Emily Fink is up first. She's
considered to be one of the nation's
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authorities on battered woman syndrome.
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Eleanor, you're doing great.
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You haven't really asked for my advice,
but could I give you some?
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Lindsay killed an unarmed man.
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Science cannot explain that. Only
Lindsay can.
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Battered woman syndrome, that's your
device.
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It entitles the jury to set her free if
they want to.
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They won't want to unless they hear from
Lindsay.
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And Bobby, too.
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Eugene thinks Walsh is gunning for
Bobby. He may be.
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Look, I know you guys know this, but the
burden of proof isn't on the
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prosecution here. The burden of an
excuse is on you.
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People mistakenly associate battered
woman syndrome with revenge.
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It isn't that.
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What is it, Doctor? Well, mostly, it's
an extreme stress disorder.
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It's a mental disorder, which can cause
the sufferer to lose mental control over
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his or her actions.
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Did you examine Lindsay Dole, Doctor?
Yes, I did.
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This woman was the victim of repeated
abuse, the abusers being her own
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She had buried a lot of fear.
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She had been in denial.
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In reality, she had no coping mechanisms
with which to handle Mr. O'Malley's
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threats.
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At the moment she shot him... She
doesn't remember it.
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She suffers from a psychological
amnesia.
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She's walled it off from herself as a
way of psychologically protecting
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You say you examined Lindsay Dole. For
how long?
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Several hours.
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And before this examination, how long
had you known Miss Dole? I didn't know
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her. Is it your testimony Miss Dole
didn't know what she was doing when she
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pulled that trigger?
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My testimony is, given her history of
abuse, her fear or apprehension was
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reasonable. But she likely knew what she
was doing.
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I don't know whether she did or didn't.
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Nor does she, because she's blocked it
out.
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Yes, the psychological amnesia. Have you
ever known extreme guilt to trigger
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this kind of amnesia?
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Yes. In fact, my experts tell me
psychological amnesia would be more
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people who commit murder than people who
act in self -defense.
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Each case is different. I appreciate
that. But statistically, what's the more
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common cause of psychological amnesia?
Murder or justified self -defense?
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Murder. Thank you, Doctor.
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I'm going to go next, and then we'll
finish with you.
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Okay.
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We need to study the transcripts of our
statement. I've studied it.
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It's a good idea to go over it again. We
don't want to get caught in so much as
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a discrepancy. I've studied it, Bobby.
They're not going to catch me.
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So do you, Art.
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It's going very well.
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You do know that.
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I do.
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I'm going to study my state.
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Good.
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I consider myself friends with both
Lindsay and Bobby.
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Between the two of them, I think Bobby
is more likely to kill somebody.
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Why are they even talking to each other?
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I'm not saying he did it.
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I just know he's gallant.
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And that he'd take the fall for his wife
if necessary.
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I just have my doubts.
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Reasonable doubts.
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I hope that helps.
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She started to unravel even during the
trial. When you say unravel... She
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started having emotional tantrums to the
point where she said she wanted to lose
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the trial. The trial in which you were
defending Lawrence O'Malley.
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Yes. He kept staring at her in court,
saying how he'd take her to heaven, and
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she started to come undone.
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We were all worried about her.
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At some point, you took out a
restraining order against this man. Yes,
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didn't matter.
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He just kept coming.
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Turning your attention back to the night
in question, can you please tell us
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what happened?
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I was in the bedroom.
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I heard Lindsay scream for me. I came
running out.
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There he was.
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O'Malley? Yes.
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I asked him to leave. He wouldn't. I
threatened to throw him out.
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And then he just turned.
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He turned?
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He was a paranoid schizophrenic who
suffered from psychotic breaks.
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And it looked like he was becoming
psychotic here.
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Then he looked at Lindsay and told her
she was in danger.
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Told her the other man was coming for
her.
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What did you do?
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I kept asking him to leave. I didn't
want to antagonize him because I knew
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that's what makes him snap.
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But it was as if he didn't even hear me.
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He had this crazed look like he was just
going to explode or something.
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And then he threatened her again.
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And she just shot the gun.
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I looked at her. She had this vacant,
dazed
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expression as she fired.
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She put the gun down, and then she went
to her room.
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And what did you do?
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I called the police.
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And then I went in to check on Lindsay.
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She didn't even know what happened.
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She didn't know she had shot him.
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It seemed like she was...
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just gone.
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Thank you.
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You said your wife started to unravel
during the O'Malley trial.
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Yes. When?
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Well, it happened almost immediately.
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He called her Clarice and made his
obsession known from the beginning.
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But your wife didn't beg off. She
continued to interact with him and be
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lawyer. Yes. In fact, you even had your
wife handle Mr. O'Malley's direct
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testimony. That was a strategic
decision.
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Your wife is becoming unglued?
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But for the sake of getting this
cannibal off, best to let her keep
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At the point Lindsay did her direct, she
was still basically okay.
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It was after that she really started to
suffer.
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Did you get her to a doctor?
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I was planning to. You were planning to?
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You wouldn't be lying now to help save
your wife, would you, Mr. Donald?
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Objection overruled. I'm not lying.
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After she shot the man, you said you saw
a dazed, vacant look in her eyes.
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Yes. Did you tell the police this?
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The police never asked what she looked
like.
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Isn't it true after witnessing the
event, you knew your wife had committed
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murder? That is not true.
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There's a gunshot victim?
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Yes. We need an ambulance right away at
1312 Beacon.
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And who shot the man?
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A man has been shot.
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Please get an ambulance to 1312 Beacon.
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When the operator asked you who shot the
man, why didn't you just tell her?
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It wasn't necessary to tell her. Wasn't
necessary.
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So a man is lying on your floor with
three gunshot wounds, and you're
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what is or isn't necessary to tell the
police operator.
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You called the police.
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Call anybody else?
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I called Eugene Young.
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A lawyer? A colleague and friend. In
fact, you huddled with Mr. Young, Miss
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Frutt, another colleague and friend, Mr.
Berluti over there, another colleague
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and friend, and after the huddle...
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Did you tell the police what happened?
Objection. This goes to Privileged. I'm
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not asking what the colleagues and
friends talked about.
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I'm asking whether he talked to the
police that night.
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The objection is overruled. Did you tell
the police what happened? My wife had
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to get to a hospital. Did you tell the
police? I had to be with my wife.
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Did you consider yourself suspect? We
talked to the police the next day. The
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next day?
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Your lawyers...
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organized a meeting at your offices
under your control where the police
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ask questions.
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Yes. Mr. Donald, we've heard testimony
of another client who terrorized your
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wife, a man by the name of William
Hanks.
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What happened to him?
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He was killed.
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He was murdered.
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By a man you did business with, correct?
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By a man I used to represent.
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You had a conversation with this man.
This man then murdered Mr. Hanks.
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And you were arrested for conspiracy to
commit murder.
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I was acquitted.
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I smell a pattern.
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Threaten Lindsay Dole, you get killed.
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Objection! Sustained.
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00:25:20,179 --> 00:25:21,159
What happened?
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Bobby got picked apart while Eleanor sat
on her hand.
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It didn't go that bad. The direct was
fine.
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It sucked, Jimmy, okay?
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It looked like we had something to hide.
Bobby played it like we had something
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to hide. They introduced the Hinks case,
which should have been objected to as a
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prior bad act. Bobby's not the
defendant.
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00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:39,360
You should have been jumping up and
down.
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00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:43,540
Well, I'm ready to jump now, Lindsay.
All right. Now, what do you want from
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00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:44,740
Shut it down, Eleanor.
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What I can't get by is in that room. In
that room when you all... What room?
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My bedroom.
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00:25:56,900 --> 00:26:01,780
You all came and instinctively you
looked at this as a murder.
403
00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,080
You all pow -wowed with strategy.
404
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,420
Because you were at a murder scene.
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None of you have ever looked at this as
self -defense or battered woman.
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00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,640
And you're doing everything you can to
get me acquitted, and I'm so grateful I
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00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,020
am, but... But in your eyes, your mind,
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I committed a crime.
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And maybe in mine, too.
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He had no weapon.
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He wasn't even moving, and I just... He
was just standing there, talking, and I
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just shot him. I just... I just killed
him.
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00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:52,510
I just...
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It's
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okay if you get emotional.
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That won't hurt you.
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It's important to talk about how you
feel.
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Okay.
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Obviously, you can't say some of the
things you think you're going to say.
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Look at me.
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None of us.
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None of us think of you as a murderer.
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Because you're not.
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The lawyer part of ourselves kicked him
that night because that's who and what
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00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:55,660
we are.
426
00:27:56,460 --> 00:28:01,380
But nobody in this office thinks what
happened that night was murder.
427
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,520
Okay.
428
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,520
You snapped.
429
00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:11,540
I was there.
430
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,300
You say it all started to come back.
431
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Can you tell the jury what came back?
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First, Hinks.
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Because Hinks tried to kill me, too.
434
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Hinks stalked me.
435
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,320
It was for Hinks.
436
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,320
It was Hinks first, then Vogelman.
437
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,160
Vogelman?
438
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,960
George Vogelman. He was a client. He
stabbed me.
439
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,840
He was a client.
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00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:00,340
His name was George.
441
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,480
He was a client.
442
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,280
He stabbed me.
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Three times.
444
00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:12,100
And Mr. O'Malley brought memories of
these men back.
445
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,240
First Hinks, then Vogelman.
446
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Three times.
447
00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,860
Lindsay, did you ever see a doctor or a
therapist to help you deal with the
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00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:26,560
trauma over Hinks and Vogelman?
449
00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:29,560
I did for a while, but then I had to be
okay, so I was okay.
450
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,740
I had to be okay.
451
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:34,090
Why did you have to be okay?
452
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:35,530
Because I'm not a victim.
453
00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,230
I can't be a victim.
454
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That's why I opened the door.
455
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What door?
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My door.
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When he came, O'Malley, I knew it was
probably him,
458
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:52,770
but I opened my door anyway. I wasn't
going to be a victim.
459
00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:54,510
It was my house.
460
00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:58,750
And after you opened the door? I killed
him.
461
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,100
What happened before you killed him?
462
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,100
He was there to kill me.
463
00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:11,160
He came to take me to heaven.
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00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:17,800
That's why... He came to take me to
heaven.
465
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,340
And you perceived what he meant was...
He was about to kill me.
466
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600
He said, I'm taking you to heaven just
like...
467
00:30:29,569 --> 00:30:33,350
That's why I said it. I told him, you go
on ahead without me. And then I shot
468
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him three times, just like Vogelman,
three times.
469
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:41,130
I was afraid he'd kill me.
470
00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:46,710
O'Malley, Vogelman did try to kill me.
He stabbed me.
471
00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:50,170
O'Malley stabbed too. That's how he
killed his victims.
472
00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:52,210
I wasn't going to let him eat me.
473
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Add nothing further.
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00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:24,870
After he said, I'm going to take you to
heaven, you said,
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you go on ahead without me?
476
00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:30,170
Yes.
477
00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:32,210
And then you shot him?
478
00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:35,550
Yes.
479
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Three times?
480
00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:42,010
Yes.
481
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,070
Thank you.
482
00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:47,090
Nothing further.
483
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,720
She seems on the verge.
484
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,080
She is.
485
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:08,800
You want me to try for a plea?
486
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520
They're not offering, but I think...
Jimmy thinks we can get out.
487
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800
You go on ahead without me?
488
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,200
Walsh is going to be ringing that like
the Liberty Bell.
489
00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:23,700
She looked nuts, which is okay for the
jury to see.
490
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480
You ready to close?
491
00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:31,860
Am I ready?
492
00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:34,790
I stayed up all night getting ready.
493
00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:42,590
The answer is... I have no idea if I'm
ready.
494
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:44,870
You need to come through here, Eleanor.
495
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:49,050
You need to close big.
496
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:57,250
It's different than it used to be.
497
00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:03,630
Defense attorneys, prosecutors, we used
to be the advocates that stayed out of
498
00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:09,950
the fray. And though we interacted with
murderers every day, we were off limits.
499
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:14,550
Now, it's different.
500
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:18,090
Death threats are made against district
attorneys.
501
00:33:18,770 --> 00:33:21,470
Defendants attack their own lawyers.
502
00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:27,490
Lindsay Dole's life was threatened three
times by clients.
503
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,460
stalked, stabbed, terrorized. She is a
victim of abuse, and you saw
504
00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,960
firsthand the mental effects during her
testimony.
505
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,120
Mr. Walsh began this trial with the
presumption he never would have fired
506
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,220
gun, and neither would any of you.
507
00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,520
First off, really?
508
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280
A serial killer.
509
00:33:53,930 --> 00:34:00,190
who strikes so fast and unexpectedly
that has to be handcuffed and muzzled at
510
00:34:00,190 --> 00:34:05,030
his own trial, shows up at your house
threatening to kill you, are we really
511
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:07,470
sure none of us would have fired?
512
00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:15,110
Secondly, neither Mr. Walsh's state of
mind nor yours is an issue here.
513
00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:17,670
It's Lindsay Dole.
514
00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:21,330
As a sufferer of battered woman
syndrome,
515
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:28,270
As a victim of past threats from
clients, attempts on her life, being
516
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:35,750
her mental state was in a much more
fragile place. She was ready to
517
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:39,050
snap even before he rang that doorbell.
518
00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:47,449
Since this whole thing turned on
Lindsay's state of mind, we put her on
519
00:34:47,449 --> 00:34:51,270
the stand in hopes that you would get to
know her a little.
520
00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:57,050
Because to know her is to be convinced
of her innocence.
521
00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:01,990
But you didn't get to see Lindsay today.
522
00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:09,430
You got to see a battered woman,
squeezing her hands, still in trauma,
523
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:15,430
determined not to be the victim she very
much is.
524
00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:21,250
When you go back into that room, it is
okay to ask yourself,
525
00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:25,230
What is the moral thing to do here?
526
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:30,850
It isn't putting Lindsay Dole in jail.
527
00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:36,570
Please return a finding of not guilty.
528
00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:41,410
Thank you.
529
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:59,630
I still get moved to hear lawyers speak
passionately about their clients.
530
00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:07,750
Somebody asked me once, don't you wish
prosecutors got to have clients,
531
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:08,750
to fight for?
532
00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:11,110
Well, we do.
533
00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:14,550
You people are my clients.
534
00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:19,250
The general public, that too I get to
fight for.
535
00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:23,550
And as much compassion as I feel for
Lindsay Dole.
536
00:36:24,010 --> 00:36:25,210
And I do feel it.
537
00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:29,290
This was an act of vigilantism.
538
00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:35,890
Vengeance. She threatened earlier in the
day to kill him.
539
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:39,550
She got herself a gun and she did kill
him.
540
00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,070
He was not moving toward her.
541
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:49,230
There was no evidence that he yelled,
made any aggressive gesture or movement
542
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:50,230
toward her.
543
00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:54,730
He said he would take her to heaven, and
she shot him three times.
544
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:56,590
The phone calls.
545
00:36:57,190 --> 00:37:00,030
Her voice was calm, composed.
546
00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:05,850
Bobby Donald's phone call clearly
demonstrated he knew his wife was
547
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:11,070
He refused to identify her as the
shooter. Why would he do that if he
548
00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:12,270
the shooting was justified?
549
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:15,230
Why the immediate assembly of lawyers?
550
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:17,250
The refusal to speak to police?
551
00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:23,340
This is consistent with the behavior of
guilty people.
552
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,020
Are these people above the law?
553
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:33,800
If you decide they are, the general
public isn't served.
554
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:40,240
If we're to say cold -blooded homicides
are okay, so long as there's been a
555
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,420
pattern of past abuse, the general
public isn't served.
556
00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:47,750
He was unarmed.
557
00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:54,850
He was standing 15 feet away, standing
still.
558
00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,870
And she said to him, you go on ahead
without me, and shot him three times.
559
00:38:02,250 --> 00:38:06,470
Now, as much as the defense would like
you to focus on who and what Lindsay
560
00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:08,870
is, this trial isn't about that.
561
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:11,730
It's about what she did.
562
00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:14,130
And what she did...
563
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,280
was murder.
564
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:26,580
If you condone that, or even excuse it,
the general
565
00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,160
public isn't served.
566
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:33,220
The law isn't served.
567
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,840
And I'm sorry, Ms. Frutt, but neither is
morality.
568
00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:12,050
Can I say one thing?
569
00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:21,170
I just... I'm sorry I got upset at you
570
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,170
yesterday, Eleanor.
571
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:24,570
I think you tried an amazing case.
572
00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:46,640
I'm also so sorry that I put the firm.
573
00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:55,580
I'm grateful and I'm sorry.
574
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,160
That's what I want to say.
575
00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:46,820
Will the defendant please rise?
576
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,080
Madam foreperson, the jury has reached a
unanimous verdict.
577
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,780
We have, Your Honor.
578
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,660
What say you?
579
00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:03,380
Commonwealth v.
580
00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:07,820
Lindsay Dole on the count of murder in
the first degree.
581
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,020
We find the defendant, Lindsay Dole,
guilty.
582
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:31,330
Bailiff take the defendant into custody
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Thank
583
00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:32,330
you for your service.
584
00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:36,870
You're now dismissed This matter is
adjourned
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