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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,300 --> 00:00:05,180 Tonight, high courtroom drama. With us now in Boston is Eleanor Frutt, attorney 2 00:00:05,180 --> 00:00:07,740 for Lindsay Dole. Good evening, Larry. 3 00:00:07,940 --> 00:00:13,120 Ms. Frutt, your client shoots a former client, and she's raised battered woman 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:14,900 syndrome as a defense? 5 00:00:15,380 --> 00:00:16,139 That's correct. 6 00:00:16,140 --> 00:00:21,000 We typically think of a battered woman as a wife, with the batterer being the 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,860 husband. But the syndrome is not confined to domestic relationships. 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,500 Okay, but how did Lawrence O'Malley... 9 00:00:27,950 --> 00:00:28,950 That or her? 10 00:00:28,990 --> 00:00:32,549 Well, without getting into the details of our defense, he threatened to kill 11 00:00:32,549 --> 00:00:36,930 her. My client was in reasonable fear for her life at the time Mr. O'Malley 12 00:00:36,930 --> 00:00:39,970 showed up. And this is different from self -defense. 13 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:44,360 How? Self -defense would be an objective standard. 14 00:00:44,580 --> 00:00:47,700 Was it reasonable for the defendant to use deadly force? 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,740 Here, it's more of a subjective test. 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,020 Was it reasonable for Lindsay Dole, in her particular mental state, to use 17 00:00:56,020 --> 00:00:58,980 force? And this is where battered woman syndrome applies. 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,040 No love lost between you and the district attorney. 19 00:01:03,140 --> 00:01:07,380 Kenneth Walsh is a fine prosecutor, but he typically lets his thirst for 20 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:10,300 vengeance color his actions, and he's doing so here. 21 00:01:11,180 --> 00:01:15,720 It's a deliberate attempt to contaminate the jury. I want her gagged right now. 22 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,620 Let's add free speech to the list of things you hate. That wasn't free 23 00:01:19,660 --> 00:01:20,660 Eleanor. Mr. 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,000 Walsh, I am loathe to issue gag orders. 25 00:01:23,340 --> 00:01:25,900 And if I might share with you an inside tip. 26 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,960 The book on you is, you're less effective in the room when angry. And I 27 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:33,980 guess Miss Frutt is attempting to get you in that state. 28 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,760 And you might be best served by ignoring her out -of -court antics. When those 29 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,420 antics are for the purpose of influencing the jury... I will watch the 30 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:46,660 decide if she went too far. 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,800 Now as a warning to both of you, keep it professional. 32 00:01:59,690 --> 00:02:02,770 You know, I'm tired of your piss -ass crap. I'm tired of your firm's piss -ass 33 00:02:02,770 --> 00:02:06,550 crap. You made a big mistake, Eleanor, and your client's gonna pay for it for 34 00:02:06,550 --> 00:02:10,490 the rest of her life, you piss -ass, scum -crap, dirt bastard. 35 00:02:12,570 --> 00:02:13,570 You seem mad. 36 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:04,850 We've got a problem. 37 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:09,070 What? Walsh just filed a last -minute motion. He wants an unavailable witness 38 00:03:09,070 --> 00:03:10,330 instruction given to the jury. 39 00:03:11,150 --> 00:03:12,350 Who's the unavailable witness? 40 00:03:12,850 --> 00:03:13,850 Bobby. 41 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:21,450 We have to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. That's our burden. 42 00:03:21,450 --> 00:03:23,250 Bobby Donald has the right not to testify. 43 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:28,020 But if he exercises that right, the jury should know it's not the prosecution's 44 00:03:28,020 --> 00:03:31,500 fault for failing to produce a single witness. That's not what he's trying to 45 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:35,780 do. He's waving a flag for the jury. Hey, Bobby Donald's not talking. He must 46 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:36,780 hiding something. 47 00:03:37,060 --> 00:03:39,160 What's your proposed instruction, Mr. Walsh? 48 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,760 Mr. Donald was present during the shooting. 49 00:03:43,100 --> 00:03:47,500 The defense, but not the prosecution, could have called Mr. Donald as a 50 00:03:47,700 --> 00:03:49,120 They did not do so. 51 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,500 You may infer that had Mr. Donald been called... 52 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:57,660 he would have given testimony unfavorable to Miss Dole. That is 53 00:03:57,660 --> 00:04:01,300 renders spousal privilege meaningless. Mr. Young. He brought this motion for 54 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:04,880 them, the media. He wants it in print that Bobby Donald had something to hide. 55 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 If I wanted to talk to the media, I wouldn't have went right to the morning 56 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,420 shows like you people. All right. 57 00:04:12,020 --> 00:04:15,640 Mr. Young, Bobby Donald is on your witness list. 58 00:04:16,140 --> 00:04:18,800 If you plan to call him, this motion is moot. 59 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,180 We shouldn't have to declare our hand now. 60 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,200 It's our right to call him. It's our right not to. You're not the only one 61 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:27,200 rights. 62 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,840 Bobby Donald was the only one in the room. 63 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,080 If he doesn't want to testify, fine. 64 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,800 But the jury shouldn't punish the Commonwealth for his unavailability. 65 00:04:38,460 --> 00:04:40,160 Mr. Walsh, your motion is denied. 66 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,180 We are adjourned until 1 o 'clock, at which point trial will start. 67 00:04:44,540 --> 00:04:46,080 Come back here with evidence. 68 00:04:46,620 --> 00:04:48,480 Leave the nonsense at the door. 69 00:04:50,900 --> 00:04:53,220 Both sides are expected to open today. 70 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,700 Tomorrow, the prosecution will call its first witness. 71 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,920 We're set? 72 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:03,300 Okay. 73 00:05:03,420 --> 00:05:07,340 Bobby, something to think about. The motion they just brought, it may have 74 00:05:07,340 --> 00:05:09,800 just for the press, but Walsh could have had another motive. 75 00:05:10,660 --> 00:05:11,539 Which is? 76 00:05:11,540 --> 00:05:12,900 To force you to take the stand. 77 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:16,840 If they got that instruction, we would have no choice but to call you, and it 78 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:18,540 makes me nervous that he wants you up there. 79 00:05:18,860 --> 00:05:21,240 Or he wants us to think that so I don't testify. 80 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,920 Shouldn't we go? 81 00:05:23,300 --> 00:05:24,480 I'm staying here with Rebecca. 82 00:05:25,060 --> 00:05:27,940 You'll look more sympathetic, Lindsay, without an army. We went over this, 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,500 Eugene. I know. I'm just going over it again. 84 00:05:30,740 --> 00:05:31,740 Why? 85 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,060 Because I want so much to be in that room, and I want you to know that. 86 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:43,980 We all love you. 87 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:46,460 Every one of us. 88 00:05:47,210 --> 00:05:52,310 And whether we're here or in there, we're with you. 89 00:05:59,410 --> 00:06:00,630 And we're ready for this. 90 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,740 I'm going to let you in on a little secret. 91 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,600 I'm glad Lawrence O'Malley took three in the chest. 92 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,740 The man, as you'll hear, was an accused murderer. 93 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:29,680 A cannibal. 94 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,120 The politically correct term for him would be damaged. 95 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:39,380 And a part of me thinks Lindsay Dole did us all a favor. 96 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:41,500 I would have liked to have shot him. 97 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,080 But I wouldn't have. 98 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,660 Nor would any of you, because we have a law against revenge killings. 99 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:56,440 There are rules against firing three bullets point blank into an unarmed man. 100 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,220 It's called murder. 101 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:05,720 The evidence will show that the defendant executed Lawrence O'Malley. 102 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,240 that. She just shot him dead in cold blood. 103 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,140 As viscerally satisfying as that may be. 104 00:07:15,050 --> 00:07:18,010 This was first -degree homicide. 105 00:07:19,650 --> 00:07:21,250 It was murder. 106 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:42,770 Lindsay Dole doesn't even remember shooting Lawrence O'Malley. That 107 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:49,470 is completely blacked out. And the evidence will show that her brain quite 108 00:07:49,470 --> 00:07:53,050 likely went black before she pulled the trigger. 109 00:07:54,470 --> 00:08:00,870 Three years ago, Lindsay Dole was stabbed three times by a client. 110 00:08:01,730 --> 00:08:03,430 She nearly died. 111 00:08:04,490 --> 00:08:11,470 Last year, she was stalked and threatened by a serial killer who was 112 00:08:11,470 --> 00:08:12,470 client. 113 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:19,460 Here, after defending Lawrence O'Malley for multiple killing, she was stalked by 114 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:22,520 him. He threatened to kill her. 115 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:29,880 He showed up at her door in violation of a restraining order, entered her house, 116 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:34,220 and this time, this time, Lindsay snapped. 117 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,039 All of those clients came back into her head. They were all personified by 118 00:08:40,039 --> 00:08:45,000 Lawrence O'Malley standing in her house, threatening to kill her, and this time 119 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,640 she just snapped. 120 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:56,580 By the way, if Lindsay hadn't snapped, she'd be dead now. 121 00:08:58,940 --> 00:08:59,940 No question. 122 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:10,120 You were representing the victim. 123 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:15,560 Yes. The defendant was trying to have Mr. O'Malley civilly committed. I was 124 00:09:15,560 --> 00:09:17,320 acting as Mr. O'Malley's counsel. 125 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:19,440 What was the disposition of that motion? 126 00:09:19,740 --> 00:09:23,180 The petition was denied. Mr. O'Malley was not committed. 127 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,100 And, Miss McConnickle, what happened after the judge made her ruling? 128 00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:30,280 Well, Ms. Dole was not happy with the outcome. 129 00:09:30,580 --> 00:09:32,180 She then approached Mr. 130 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,980 O'Malley. Did she do or say anything? 131 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,160 Yes. She said to him... 132 00:09:37,470 --> 00:09:39,250 Come near me, I'll kill you. 133 00:09:39,650 --> 00:09:40,650 Thank you. 134 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:46,070 You said my client brought the motion to have Mr. O'Malley committed. 135 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:49,390 Wasn't that motion brought by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? 136 00:09:49,850 --> 00:09:54,590 Your client is close friends with Helen Gamble, a district attorney. Who brought 137 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:58,390 the motion, Miss McGonagall? Lindsay Dole or the Commonwealth of 138 00:09:58,990 --> 00:10:00,310 Technically, the state. 139 00:10:00,630 --> 00:10:02,950 Did Mr. Walsh ask you to leave that part out? 140 00:10:03,270 --> 00:10:04,530 Objection. Sustained. 141 00:10:04,970 --> 00:10:09,450 You testified that my client was not happy by the ruling. 142 00:10:09,950 --> 00:10:12,610 She was a little more than not happy, wasn't she? 143 00:10:12,930 --> 00:10:16,950 Well... She jumped up in court and called the judge crazy. Did you not hear 144 00:10:16,950 --> 00:10:20,710 that? I heard it. As far as courtroom decorum goes, she was out of control, 145 00:10:20,870 --> 00:10:24,730 wasn't she? I'm not going to have you put the words out of control in my 146 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:28,290 counsel. Did it get to a point where the judge had to threaten Miss Dole with 147 00:10:28,290 --> 00:10:29,890 contempt? That's an interpretation. 148 00:10:30,550 --> 00:10:32,550 The judge never used the word contempt. 149 00:10:33,010 --> 00:10:34,010 I see. 150 00:10:34,540 --> 00:10:40,120 So it would be your interpretation that Lindsay was not happy? 151 00:10:40,780 --> 00:10:42,760 Yes. Thank you. 152 00:10:46,340 --> 00:10:52,760 By the way, in your opposition to Mr. O'Malley's commitment, you argued that 153 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,280 instead of incarceration, Mr. 154 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:56,440 O'Malley should receive treatment, did you not? 155 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,320 Yes. And as one vested in safeguarding his interests. 156 00:11:00,910 --> 00:11:04,170 Did you take any steps to see to it that he got that treatment? 157 00:11:04,390 --> 00:11:07,910 I was vested in safeguarding his legal interests. 158 00:11:08,330 --> 00:11:14,090 You stood before the court, opposed to his being committed, said, let's get him 159 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:18,530 treatment. And after the ruling, you just said goodbye, doing nothing to help 160 00:11:18,530 --> 00:11:19,530 him get the treatment? 161 00:11:20,230 --> 00:11:22,870 Is it because you really didn't think he needed the treatment or that you 162 00:11:22,870 --> 00:11:24,400 just... Couldn't be bothered. 163 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,600 Objection. No, I am sorry, but I will not conceal my disgust here. Mr. 164 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:34,000 might not be dead had this witness done her job. You kept him on the street, you 165 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,840 took your fee, and you did nothing. Objection. Ms. Front. 166 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:42,700 Well, at least you make for a great witness. Ms. Front, you are one remark 167 00:11:42,700 --> 00:11:43,760 from a jail cell. 168 00:11:56,430 --> 00:11:57,430 Did I go too far? 169 00:11:57,770 --> 00:11:58,770 I don't think so. 170 00:11:59,090 --> 00:12:02,370 We had to pop her. She took a side. We had to pop her. 171 00:12:03,890 --> 00:12:04,890 Who's up next? 172 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:06,890 They go to forensics now. 173 00:12:07,890 --> 00:12:12,770 The blood spatter evidence shows the victim to be here, approximately 15 feet 174 00:12:12,770 --> 00:12:13,770 from the shooter. 175 00:12:13,870 --> 00:12:15,450 Mr. Donald would have been here. 176 00:12:15,690 --> 00:12:19,350 You can tell that from? The blood spatter on his clothing. So he would 177 00:12:19,350 --> 00:12:21,150 between the victim and the defendant? 178 00:12:21,510 --> 00:12:25,550 Correct. Any blood on Miss Doll's clothing? No, she was too far away. 179 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,540 And Mr. Illich, were you able to determine if Mr. O'Malley was moving at 180 00:12:30,540 --> 00:12:34,900 time he was shot? He was either standing still or moving backwards. 181 00:12:35,340 --> 00:12:38,100 How can you tell that, sir? The trajectory of the wounds. 182 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,140 Also, if he'd been moving forward at all, his momentum likely would have 183 00:12:44,140 --> 00:12:45,680 him to fall face down. 184 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:48,020 He was found on his back. 185 00:12:49,060 --> 00:12:53,240 Is it your testimony that it would be impossible for the victim to have been 186 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,980 moving forward at the time he was shot? 187 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,820 Not impossible. I'm speaking in likelihoods. 188 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,640 I'm looking at the positioning here. 189 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Bobby Donald was close to being in the line of fire, wasn't he? Well, no. He 190 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,240 off to the side. So the line of fire... Well, he was between the shooter and the 191 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,600 victim. Not exactly a safe place to be, is it, Mr. Illich? 192 00:13:13,500 --> 00:13:16,580 No. And yet, his wife fired. 193 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,060 Did it make you wonder whether she had just snapped? 194 00:13:20,620 --> 00:13:24,280 Objection! I'm only asking if the expert crime analyst wondered. 195 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,800 I'll allow it. 196 00:13:26,340 --> 00:13:27,340 Did you wonder? 197 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:29,760 I just analyze bloodstain patterns. 198 00:13:30,220 --> 00:13:31,900 I don't get into mental states. 199 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,960 You're up here to convince the jury that the victim wasn't moving forward. 200 00:13:37,340 --> 00:13:41,240 The only relevance of that, I'd assume, goes to whether Lindsay thought she was 201 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,139 in danger. 202 00:13:42,140 --> 00:13:44,160 That goes to her mental state. 203 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:45,540 Does it not? 204 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:47,340 Indirectly, yes. 205 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:52,380 Indirectly. Mr. Elich, can you make a representation here as to Miss Dole's 206 00:13:52,380 --> 00:13:53,700 mental state or not? 207 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,800 I'm not going to make any such representation. 208 00:13:58,120 --> 00:13:59,120 Thank you. 209 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,120 Yes, it is an emergency. There's an intruder in my house. Where is he? His 210 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,420 is Lawrence O'Malley. He's here in violation of a restraining order. He's 211 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:13,900 dangerous, and I need for you to send somebody now. The address is 1312 Beacon 212 00:14:13,900 --> 00:14:15,020 Street, apartment 4. 213 00:14:15,740 --> 00:14:19,080 Mr. Forbes, in the background, we can hear other voices. 214 00:14:19,420 --> 00:14:23,500 Yes, those voices were identified as belonging to Mr. Donnell and the victim. 215 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,720 Lawrence O'Malley. Were you able to detect what they were saying? 216 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:30,520 Yes. We were able to both isolate and enhance their conversation. 217 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:31,880 Okay. 218 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,180 Yes, it is an emergency. There's an intruder in my house. 219 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:37,740 What's wrong? 220 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:43,080 I promise I'm not here to cause anybody any harm. I just need to talk to her, 221 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:44,120 please. 222 00:14:45,580 --> 00:14:46,800 That's when she hung up? 223 00:14:47,460 --> 00:14:48,640 Thank you, Mr. Forbes. 224 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:58,070 You have no idea what transpired after she hung up. Well, I know she shot him. 225 00:14:58,250 --> 00:15:04,350 Yes. Between the time she hung up and she fired, you don't know what was said 226 00:15:04,350 --> 00:15:05,690 what happened. Correct? 227 00:15:06,610 --> 00:15:07,610 Correct. 228 00:15:10,850 --> 00:15:14,750 The defense is expected to begin tomorrow with their psychiatric 229 00:15:15,090 --> 00:15:19,590 Dr. Emily Fink is up first. She's considered to be one of the nation's 230 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:21,630 authorities on battered woman syndrome. 231 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:32,160 Eleanor, you're doing great. 232 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:38,040 You haven't really asked for my advice, but could I give you some? 233 00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:41,920 Lindsay killed an unarmed man. 234 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,580 Science cannot explain that. Only Lindsay can. 235 00:15:46,660 --> 00:15:48,640 Battered woman syndrome, that's your device. 236 00:15:49,340 --> 00:15:52,900 It entitles the jury to set her free if they want to. 237 00:15:54,020 --> 00:15:57,240 They won't want to unless they hear from Lindsay. 238 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,600 And Bobby, too. 239 00:16:00,020 --> 00:16:03,520 Eugene thinks Walsh is gunning for Bobby. He may be. 240 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Look, I know you guys know this, but the burden of proof isn't on the 241 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,040 prosecution here. The burden of an excuse is on you. 242 00:16:17,540 --> 00:16:22,240 People mistakenly associate battered woman syndrome with revenge. 243 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:23,660 It isn't that. 244 00:16:23,940 --> 00:16:28,100 What is it, Doctor? Well, mostly, it's an extreme stress disorder. 245 00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:33,360 It's a mental disorder, which can cause the sufferer to lose mental control over 246 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:34,360 his or her actions. 247 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,620 Did you examine Lindsay Dole, Doctor? Yes, I did. 248 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,400 This woman was the victim of repeated abuse, the abusers being her own 249 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,640 She had buried a lot of fear. 250 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:47,060 She had been in denial. 251 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:52,940 In reality, she had no coping mechanisms with which to handle Mr. O'Malley's 252 00:16:52,940 --> 00:16:53,940 threats. 253 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:57,320 At the moment she shot him... She doesn't remember it. 254 00:16:58,190 --> 00:17:01,390 She suffers from a psychological amnesia. 255 00:17:01,650 --> 00:17:06,190 She's walled it off from herself as a way of psychologically protecting 256 00:17:08,270 --> 00:17:11,010 You say you examined Lindsay Dole. For how long? 257 00:17:11,349 --> 00:17:12,349 Several hours. 258 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:16,710 And before this examination, how long had you known Miss Dole? I didn't know 259 00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:21,150 her. Is it your testimony Miss Dole didn't know what she was doing when she 260 00:17:21,150 --> 00:17:22,150 pulled that trigger? 261 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:27,520 My testimony is, given her history of abuse, her fear or apprehension was 262 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,380 reasonable. But she likely knew what she was doing. 263 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,680 I don't know whether she did or didn't. 264 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,400 Nor does she, because she's blocked it out. 265 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:41,400 Yes, the psychological amnesia. Have you ever known extreme guilt to trigger 266 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:42,600 this kind of amnesia? 267 00:17:42,900 --> 00:17:48,040 Yes. In fact, my experts tell me psychological amnesia would be more 268 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,660 people who commit murder than people who act in self -defense. 269 00:17:51,210 --> 00:17:57,210 Each case is different. I appreciate that. But statistically, what's the more 270 00:17:57,210 --> 00:18:02,730 common cause of psychological amnesia? Murder or justified self -defense? 271 00:18:04,210 --> 00:18:06,370 Murder. Thank you, Doctor. 272 00:18:23,860 --> 00:18:26,140 I'm going to go next, and then we'll finish with you. 273 00:18:26,380 --> 00:18:27,380 Okay. 274 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,780 We need to study the transcripts of our statement. I've studied it. 275 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,040 It's a good idea to go over it again. We don't want to get caught in so much as 276 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,580 a discrepancy. I've studied it, Bobby. They're not going to catch me. 277 00:18:39,660 --> 00:18:40,660 So do you, Art. 278 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:46,900 It's going very well. 279 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:48,880 You do know that. 280 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,560 I do. 281 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:56,730 I'm going to study my state. 282 00:18:57,490 --> 00:18:58,490 Good. 283 00:19:05,390 --> 00:19:08,330 I consider myself friends with both Lindsay and Bobby. 284 00:19:08,830 --> 00:19:12,670 Between the two of them, I think Bobby is more likely to kill somebody. 285 00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:14,730 Why are they even talking to each other? 286 00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:16,050 I'm not saying he did it. 287 00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:18,810 I just know he's gallant. 288 00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:21,890 And that he'd take the fall for his wife if necessary. 289 00:19:22,630 --> 00:19:23,650 I just have my doubts. 290 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,360 Reasonable doubts. 291 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:29,860 I hope that helps. 292 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:38,240 She started to unravel even during the trial. When you say unravel... She 293 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:42,740 started having emotional tantrums to the point where she said she wanted to lose 294 00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:46,540 the trial. The trial in which you were defending Lawrence O'Malley. 295 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:52,300 Yes. He kept staring at her in court, saying how he'd take her to heaven, and 296 00:19:52,300 --> 00:19:53,720 she started to come undone. 297 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,620 We were all worried about her. 298 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,760 At some point, you took out a restraining order against this man. Yes, 299 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,459 didn't matter. 300 00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:04,180 He just kept coming. 301 00:20:04,980 --> 00:20:08,540 Turning your attention back to the night in question, can you please tell us 302 00:20:08,540 --> 00:20:09,219 what happened? 303 00:20:09,220 --> 00:20:10,280 I was in the bedroom. 304 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,280 I heard Lindsay scream for me. I came running out. 305 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:14,720 There he was. 306 00:20:15,020 --> 00:20:16,020 O'Malley? Yes. 307 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,160 I asked him to leave. He wouldn't. I threatened to throw him out. 308 00:20:20,460 --> 00:20:22,760 And then he just turned. 309 00:20:23,820 --> 00:20:24,820 He turned? 310 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,260 He was a paranoid schizophrenic who suffered from psychotic breaks. 311 00:20:28,460 --> 00:20:30,920 And it looked like he was becoming psychotic here. 312 00:20:31,420 --> 00:20:34,080 Then he looked at Lindsay and told her she was in danger. 313 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:36,940 Told her the other man was coming for her. 314 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:38,360 What did you do? 315 00:20:38,420 --> 00:20:41,800 I kept asking him to leave. I didn't want to antagonize him because I knew 316 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:42,860 that's what makes him snap. 317 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,060 But it was as if he didn't even hear me. 318 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,960 He had this crazed look like he was just going to explode or something. 319 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,980 And then he threatened her again. 320 00:20:56,650 --> 00:20:58,470 And she just shot the gun. 321 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:06,950 I looked at her. She had this vacant, dazed 322 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:09,750 expression as she fired. 323 00:21:11,730 --> 00:21:15,890 She put the gun down, and then she went to her room. 324 00:21:16,910 --> 00:21:17,970 And what did you do? 325 00:21:18,270 --> 00:21:19,270 I called the police. 326 00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:22,690 And then I went in to check on Lindsay. 327 00:21:22,890 --> 00:21:25,510 She didn't even know what happened. 328 00:21:26,570 --> 00:21:28,050 She didn't know she had shot him. 329 00:21:29,030 --> 00:21:30,750 It seemed like she was... 330 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:36,630 just gone. 331 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:39,970 Thank you. 332 00:21:50,250 --> 00:21:54,550 You said your wife started to unravel during the O'Malley trial. 333 00:21:55,170 --> 00:21:56,510 Yes. When? 334 00:21:57,410 --> 00:21:59,070 Well, it happened almost immediately. 335 00:21:59,430 --> 00:22:03,990 He called her Clarice and made his obsession known from the beginning. 336 00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:08,050 But your wife didn't beg off. She continued to interact with him and be 337 00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:12,850 lawyer. Yes. In fact, you even had your wife handle Mr. O'Malley's direct 338 00:22:12,850 --> 00:22:15,410 testimony. That was a strategic decision. 339 00:22:15,870 --> 00:22:18,470 Your wife is becoming unglued? 340 00:22:18,910 --> 00:22:23,170 But for the sake of getting this cannibal off, best to let her keep 341 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,040 At the point Lindsay did her direct, she was still basically okay. 342 00:22:27,340 --> 00:22:29,600 It was after that she really started to suffer. 343 00:22:29,820 --> 00:22:30,860 Did you get her to a doctor? 344 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,360 I was planning to. You were planning to? 345 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:38,600 You wouldn't be lying now to help save your wife, would you, Mr. Donald? 346 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,820 Objection overruled. I'm not lying. 347 00:22:42,140 --> 00:22:47,820 After she shot the man, you said you saw a dazed, vacant look in her eyes. 348 00:22:48,140 --> 00:22:50,180 Yes. Did you tell the police this? 349 00:22:50,380 --> 00:22:52,100 The police never asked what she looked like. 350 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:56,320 Isn't it true after witnessing the event, you knew your wife had committed 351 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,100 murder? That is not true. 352 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,080 There's a gunshot victim? 353 00:23:04,380 --> 00:23:07,820 Yes. We need an ambulance right away at 1312 Beacon. 354 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,600 And who shot the man? 355 00:23:11,340 --> 00:23:13,140 A man has been shot. 356 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,540 Please get an ambulance to 1312 Beacon. 357 00:23:17,900 --> 00:23:21,020 When the operator asked you who shot the man, why didn't you just tell her? 358 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,600 It wasn't necessary to tell her. Wasn't necessary. 359 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,080 So a man is lying on your floor with three gunshot wounds, and you're 360 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,600 what is or isn't necessary to tell the police operator. 361 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,140 You called the police. 362 00:23:33,820 --> 00:23:34,980 Call anybody else? 363 00:23:35,220 --> 00:23:36,520 I called Eugene Young. 364 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:43,360 A lawyer? A colleague and friend. In fact, you huddled with Mr. Young, Miss 365 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,800 Frutt, another colleague and friend, Mr. Berluti over there, another colleague 366 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,800 and friend, and after the huddle... 367 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:54,580 Did you tell the police what happened? Objection. This goes to Privileged. I'm 368 00:23:54,580 --> 00:23:56,920 not asking what the colleagues and friends talked about. 369 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,620 I'm asking whether he talked to the police that night. 370 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:06,680 The objection is overruled. Did you tell the police what happened? My wife had 371 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,620 to get to a hospital. Did you tell the police? I had to be with my wife. 372 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:16,260 Did you consider yourself suspect? We talked to the police the next day. The 373 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:16,979 next day? 374 00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:18,160 Your lawyers... 375 00:24:18,570 --> 00:24:23,710 organized a meeting at your offices under your control where the police 376 00:24:23,710 --> 00:24:24,709 ask questions. 377 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:29,650 Yes. Mr. Donald, we've heard testimony of another client who terrorized your 378 00:24:29,650 --> 00:24:32,670 wife, a man by the name of William Hanks. 379 00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:34,930 What happened to him? 380 00:24:35,950 --> 00:24:36,950 He was killed. 381 00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:38,230 He was murdered. 382 00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:42,810 By a man you did business with, correct? 383 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,020 By a man I used to represent. 384 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:50,040 You had a conversation with this man. This man then murdered Mr. Hanks. 385 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,220 And you were arrested for conspiracy to commit murder. 386 00:24:53,460 --> 00:24:54,500 I was acquitted. 387 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,980 I smell a pattern. 388 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,660 Threaten Lindsay Dole, you get killed. 389 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,760 Objection! Sustained. 390 00:25:20,179 --> 00:25:21,159 What happened? 391 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,780 Bobby got picked apart while Eleanor sat on her hand. 392 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:26,320 It didn't go that bad. The direct was fine. 393 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,380 It sucked, Jimmy, okay? 394 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,000 It looked like we had something to hide. Bobby played it like we had something 395 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,360 to hide. They introduced the Hinks case, which should have been objected to as a 396 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,220 prior bad act. Bobby's not the defendant. 397 00:25:37,580 --> 00:25:39,360 You should have been jumping up and down. 398 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:43,540 Well, I'm ready to jump now, Lindsay. All right. Now, what do you want from 399 00:25:43,620 --> 00:25:44,740 Shut it down, Eleanor. 400 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:52,680 What I can't get by is in that room. In that room when you all... What room? 401 00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:53,900 My bedroom. 402 00:25:56,900 --> 00:26:01,780 You all came and instinctively you looked at this as a murder. 403 00:26:02,620 --> 00:26:05,080 You all pow -wowed with strategy. 404 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,420 Because you were at a murder scene. 405 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:14,140 None of you have ever looked at this as self -defense or battered woman. 406 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:21,640 And you're doing everything you can to get me acquitted, and I'm so grateful I 407 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:27,020 am, but... But in your eyes, your mind, 408 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:31,200 I committed a crime. 409 00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:35,700 And maybe in mine, too. 410 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,280 He had no weapon. 411 00:26:43,370 --> 00:26:48,070 He wasn't even moving, and I just... He was just standing there, talking, and I 412 00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:51,030 just shot him. I just... I just killed him. 413 00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:52,510 I just... 414 00:26:52,510 --> 00:27:07,990 It's 415 00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:09,070 okay if you get emotional. 416 00:27:11,690 --> 00:27:12,690 That won't hurt you. 417 00:27:14,790 --> 00:27:16,910 It's important to talk about how you feel. 418 00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:19,230 Okay. 419 00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:23,730 Obviously, you can't say some of the things you think you're going to say. 420 00:27:31,470 --> 00:27:34,770 Look at me. 421 00:27:39,970 --> 00:27:40,970 None of us. 422 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:45,480 None of us think of you as a murderer. 423 00:27:47,340 --> 00:27:48,460 Because you're not. 424 00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:54,660 The lawyer part of ourselves kicked him that night because that's who and what 425 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:55,660 we are. 426 00:27:56,460 --> 00:28:01,380 But nobody in this office thinks what happened that night was murder. 427 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:05,520 Okay. 428 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,520 You snapped. 429 00:28:10,540 --> 00:28:11,540 I was there. 430 00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:35,300 You say it all started to come back. 431 00:28:36,180 --> 00:28:38,240 Can you tell the jury what came back? 432 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:41,440 First, Hinks. 433 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,620 Because Hinks tried to kill me, too. 434 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Hinks stalked me. 435 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,320 It was for Hinks. 436 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,320 It was Hinks first, then Vogelman. 437 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,160 Vogelman? 438 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,960 George Vogelman. He was a client. He stabbed me. 439 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,840 He was a client. 440 00:28:59,060 --> 00:29:00,340 His name was George. 441 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,480 He was a client. 442 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,280 He stabbed me. 443 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,800 Three times. 444 00:29:09,020 --> 00:29:12,100 And Mr. O'Malley brought memories of these men back. 445 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,240 First Hinks, then Vogelman. 446 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:18,960 Three times. 447 00:29:20,300 --> 00:29:24,860 Lindsay, did you ever see a doctor or a therapist to help you deal with the 448 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:26,560 trauma over Hinks and Vogelman? 449 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:29,560 I did for a while, but then I had to be okay, so I was okay. 450 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,740 I had to be okay. 451 00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:34,090 Why did you have to be okay? 452 00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:35,530 Because I'm not a victim. 453 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:37,230 I can't be a victim. 454 00:29:38,370 --> 00:29:39,730 That's why I opened the door. 455 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:41,650 What door? 456 00:29:41,670 --> 00:29:42,670 My door. 457 00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:49,010 When he came, O'Malley, I knew it was probably him, 458 00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:52,770 but I opened my door anyway. I wasn't going to be a victim. 459 00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:54,510 It was my house. 460 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:58,750 And after you opened the door? I killed him. 461 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,100 What happened before you killed him? 462 00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:09,100 He was there to kill me. 463 00:30:09,460 --> 00:30:11,160 He came to take me to heaven. 464 00:30:11,780 --> 00:30:17,800 That's why... He came to take me to heaven. 465 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,340 And you perceived what he meant was... He was about to kill me. 466 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,600 He said, I'm taking you to heaven just like... 467 00:30:29,569 --> 00:30:33,350 That's why I said it. I told him, you go on ahead without me. And then I shot 468 00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:35,830 him three times, just like Vogelman, three times. 469 00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:41,130 I was afraid he'd kill me. 470 00:30:42,990 --> 00:30:46,710 O'Malley, Vogelman did try to kill me. He stabbed me. 471 00:30:48,190 --> 00:30:50,170 O'Malley stabbed too. That's how he killed his victims. 472 00:30:50,510 --> 00:30:52,210 I wasn't going to let him eat me. 473 00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:02,070 Add nothing further. 474 00:31:18,370 --> 00:31:24,870 After he said, I'm going to take you to heaven, you said, 475 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:27,430 you go on ahead without me? 476 00:31:29,170 --> 00:31:30,170 Yes. 477 00:31:31,210 --> 00:31:32,210 And then you shot him? 478 00:31:34,550 --> 00:31:35,550 Yes. 479 00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:37,910 Three times? 480 00:31:41,010 --> 00:31:42,010 Yes. 481 00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:45,070 Thank you. 482 00:31:46,090 --> 00:31:47,090 Nothing further. 483 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:05,720 She seems on the verge. 484 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,080 She is. 485 00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:08,800 You want me to try for a plea? 486 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,520 They're not offering, but I think... Jimmy thinks we can get out. 487 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800 You go on ahead without me? 488 00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:19,200 Walsh is going to be ringing that like the Liberty Bell. 489 00:32:20,220 --> 00:32:23,700 She looked nuts, which is okay for the jury to see. 490 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,480 You ready to close? 491 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:31,860 Am I ready? 492 00:32:33,390 --> 00:32:34,790 I stayed up all night getting ready. 493 00:32:36,550 --> 00:32:42,590 The answer is... I have no idea if I'm ready. 494 00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:44,870 You need to come through here, Eleanor. 495 00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:49,050 You need to close big. 496 00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:57,250 It's different than it used to be. 497 00:32:58,090 --> 00:33:03,630 Defense attorneys, prosecutors, we used to be the advocates that stayed out of 498 00:33:03,630 --> 00:33:09,950 the fray. And though we interacted with murderers every day, we were off limits. 499 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:14,550 Now, it's different. 500 00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:18,090 Death threats are made against district attorneys. 501 00:33:18,770 --> 00:33:21,470 Defendants attack their own lawyers. 502 00:33:22,030 --> 00:33:27,490 Lindsay Dole's life was threatened three times by clients. 503 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:35,460 stalked, stabbed, terrorized. She is a victim of abuse, and you saw 504 00:33:35,460 --> 00:33:38,960 firsthand the mental effects during her testimony. 505 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,120 Mr. Walsh began this trial with the presumption he never would have fired 506 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,220 gun, and neither would any of you. 507 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,520 First off, really? 508 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,280 A serial killer. 509 00:33:53,930 --> 00:34:00,190 who strikes so fast and unexpectedly that has to be handcuffed and muzzled at 510 00:34:00,190 --> 00:34:05,030 his own trial, shows up at your house threatening to kill you, are we really 511 00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:07,470 sure none of us would have fired? 512 00:34:08,590 --> 00:34:15,110 Secondly, neither Mr. Walsh's state of mind nor yours is an issue here. 513 00:34:15,409 --> 00:34:17,670 It's Lindsay Dole. 514 00:34:18,530 --> 00:34:21,330 As a sufferer of battered woman syndrome, 515 00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:28,270 As a victim of past threats from clients, attempts on her life, being 516 00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:35,750 her mental state was in a much more fragile place. She was ready to 517 00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:39,050 snap even before he rang that doorbell. 518 00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:47,449 Since this whole thing turned on Lindsay's state of mind, we put her on 519 00:34:47,449 --> 00:34:51,270 the stand in hopes that you would get to know her a little. 520 00:34:52,330 --> 00:34:57,050 Because to know her is to be convinced of her innocence. 521 00:34:59,010 --> 00:35:01,990 But you didn't get to see Lindsay today. 522 00:35:04,210 --> 00:35:09,430 You got to see a battered woman, squeezing her hands, still in trauma, 523 00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:15,430 determined not to be the victim she very much is. 524 00:35:16,810 --> 00:35:21,250 When you go back into that room, it is okay to ask yourself, 525 00:35:21,970 --> 00:35:25,230 What is the moral thing to do here? 526 00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:30,850 It isn't putting Lindsay Dole in jail. 527 00:35:34,170 --> 00:35:36,570 Please return a finding of not guilty. 528 00:35:40,410 --> 00:35:41,410 Thank you. 529 00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:59,630 I still get moved to hear lawyers speak passionately about their clients. 530 00:36:00,850 --> 00:36:07,750 Somebody asked me once, don't you wish prosecutors got to have clients, 531 00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:08,750 to fight for? 532 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:11,110 Well, we do. 533 00:36:12,050 --> 00:36:14,550 You people are my clients. 534 00:36:15,130 --> 00:36:19,250 The general public, that too I get to fight for. 535 00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:23,550 And as much compassion as I feel for Lindsay Dole. 536 00:36:24,010 --> 00:36:25,210 And I do feel it. 537 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:29,290 This was an act of vigilantism. 538 00:36:30,770 --> 00:36:35,890 Vengeance. She threatened earlier in the day to kill him. 539 00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:39,550 She got herself a gun and she did kill him. 540 00:36:41,250 --> 00:36:43,070 He was not moving toward her. 541 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:49,230 There was no evidence that he yelled, made any aggressive gesture or movement 542 00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:50,230 toward her. 543 00:36:50,430 --> 00:36:54,730 He said he would take her to heaven, and she shot him three times. 544 00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:56,590 The phone calls. 545 00:36:57,190 --> 00:37:00,030 Her voice was calm, composed. 546 00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:05,850 Bobby Donald's phone call clearly demonstrated he knew his wife was 547 00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:11,070 He refused to identify her as the shooter. Why would he do that if he 548 00:37:11,070 --> 00:37:12,270 the shooting was justified? 549 00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:15,230 Why the immediate assembly of lawyers? 550 00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:17,250 The refusal to speak to police? 551 00:37:18,220 --> 00:37:23,340 This is consistent with the behavior of guilty people. 552 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:26,020 Are these people above the law? 553 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:33,800 If you decide they are, the general public isn't served. 554 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:40,240 If we're to say cold -blooded homicides are okay, so long as there's been a 555 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:45,420 pattern of past abuse, the general public isn't served. 556 00:37:46,510 --> 00:37:47,750 He was unarmed. 557 00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:54,850 He was standing 15 feet away, standing still. 558 00:37:55,610 --> 00:38:00,870 And she said to him, you go on ahead without me, and shot him three times. 559 00:38:02,250 --> 00:38:06,470 Now, as much as the defense would like you to focus on who and what Lindsay 560 00:38:06,470 --> 00:38:08,870 is, this trial isn't about that. 561 00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:11,730 It's about what she did. 562 00:38:12,670 --> 00:38:14,130 And what she did... 563 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,280 was murder. 564 00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:26,580 If you condone that, or even excuse it, the general 565 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:29,160 public isn't served. 566 00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:33,220 The law isn't served. 567 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,840 And I'm sorry, Ms. Frutt, but neither is morality. 568 00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:12,050 Can I say one thing? 569 00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:21,170 I just... I'm sorry I got upset at you 570 00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:22,170 yesterday, Eleanor. 571 00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:24,570 I think you tried an amazing case. 572 00:39:40,620 --> 00:39:46,640 I'm also so sorry that I put the firm. 573 00:39:53,140 --> 00:39:55,580 I'm grateful and I'm sorry. 574 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,160 That's what I want to say. 575 00:40:45,420 --> 00:40:46,820 Will the defendant please rise? 576 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,080 Madam foreperson, the jury has reached a unanimous verdict. 577 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,780 We have, Your Honor. 578 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:00,660 What say you? 579 00:41:02,380 --> 00:41:03,380 Commonwealth v. 580 00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:07,820 Lindsay Dole on the count of murder in the first degree. 581 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,020 We find the defendant, Lindsay Dole, guilty. 582 00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:31,330 Bailiff take the defendant into custody Ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Thank 583 00:41:31,330 --> 00:41:32,330 you for your service. 584 00:41:32,410 --> 00:41:36,870 You're now dismissed This matter is adjourned 48737

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