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When did this happen? Eight days ago.
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Why didn't the hospital notify the
police?
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Admitting says he wasn't convinced the
crime had been committed. I don't
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it. He also says he wanted her to heal
first before asking any tough questions.
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That may be true. She's been read her
rights?
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Twice. She didn't ask for a lawyer. She
hadn't said anything. She won't talk.
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Hi, Jenny.
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My name's Helen Campbell.
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I'm the district attorney.
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I know you're scared.
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Being brought in by the police, you must
be terrified.
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But I'm not the police, okay?
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And I think I can help you.
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But you're going to have to trust me
first.
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I just want to leave.
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And I will make sure you do.
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But first, I... I just want you to tell
me what happened, okay?
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Now, Dr. Matthews said you tried to kill
yourself. Is that true?
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Can you tell me why?
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Because... I know this stuff is hard to
talk about, so tell you what.
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I'll tell you what I do know, and you
can fill in some of the blanks, all
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Your mom threw you out of the house.
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When did she throw you out, Jenny?
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The day before.
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The day before you tried to take your
life?
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Yes.
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Did she throw you out because she was
angry that you were pregnant?
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Yes. And you were seven months.
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Why was she so upset, do you know?
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She used to always say, don't go and get
knocked up.
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It was a big thing with her.
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So when she found out, she kind of went
berserk and stuff.
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Told me my life would be ruined and... I
don't know.
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What about your dad?
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I don't have a dad.
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My mother doesn't even know who he is or
was.
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I think that she got knocked up.
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I was probably the baby that ruined her
life.
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You being pregnant, this was sort of a
huge disaster, huh?
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Were you upset when she threw you out of
the house?
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Yes.
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Is that the reason you tried to kill
yourself?
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Probably.
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Are you really going to help me?
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You have my word.
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I saw that after you stabbed yourself, I
see you then got yourself to a
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hospital.
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Did you then decide you really wanted to
live?
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Yeah. It was hurting so bad, I just
wanted the pain to go away.
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Did you really think you would kill
yourself by stabbing yourself in the
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stomach, Jenny?
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I don't know.
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When I was 19, I got pregnant.
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I had an abortion.
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I was way too young for a baby.
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What are you, 15?
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Look, it's okay.
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You need to talk about this. You can't
try to bear this alone.
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Trust me.
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I tried to keep everything inside, and
it caused me more pain than anything
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in my whole life.
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It's okay to talk about it, Jenny.
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When you stabbed yourself, you were only
trying to kill the baby, weren't you?
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It's okay, Jenny. You're only 15 years
old. For you to try to raise a child
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mom had thrown you out of the house.
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You were only trying to kill the baby.
Isn't that right?
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You thought if you could make the baby
go away, things would be better.
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It's okay, sweetheart.
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I'm going to help you.
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But first I'm going to send someone in
to write down the things we talked
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Then I'm going to help you get out.
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I promise.
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Get her statement.
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This is the first trial of its kind
where a woman is actually being charged
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fornicating her husband to death.
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Jeez, it's an original.
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She's now accused of inducing his heart
attack with sexual intercourse.
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The defense firm of Donald Young Dole
and Frudge is... Hey, I gotta run down
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the courthouse. Favor for Helen's on a
homicide case.
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Helen's asking me to favor on a homicide
case?
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I'll call you when I know more. ...to
bother some men, however.
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In one of the more amusing polls, 33 %
of the men said they would nevertheless
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still want to have sex with the Black
Widow, fully knowing she might then try
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kill them.
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I would.
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Ew.
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3 -2 -6 -2 -2. Commonwealth versus
Jennifer Holbrook. Murder in the first
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degree. Eleanor Frost for the defendant.
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Wave reading. We enter a plea of not
guilty.
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Helen Gamble for the Commonwealth. Your
Honor, I'd like to conference. I think
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we can dispose of it today.
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A first degree murder case?
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I'd like to conference.
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Let's go.
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Jenny?
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I'm Eleanor Fratt, and I'm your attorney
here. And right now, I'm going to go
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back there, and I'm going to talk to the
judge and the district attorney, and
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then I'm going to come back and talk to
you, okay?
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Okay. Okay, it's very important that you
don't talk to anybody about this.
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Nobody.
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It's a prior bad act, an admissible
under... It goes to pattern, Your Honor.
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killed her last husband. She killed this
one. She killed neither, and two cannot
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make a pattern anyway. She could have
killed her first husband as well. That
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would make three. Her first husband died
of cancer. What are you saying?
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She's clever.
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Settle down.
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I'll remove you all if I have to.
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Your Honor, my client was never charged
with the murder of her previous husband.
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She was and still is suspected.
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Three marriages, three dead husbands.
That's a pattern.
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I'm going to allow it.
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Appealed. So noted. Anything else? No,
Your Honor. Is the Commonwealth ready
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trial? Ready, Your Honor. Mr. Donald?
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Ready. Two o 'clock. Till then.
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Unless you don't see all colors try.
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Just preserving the objection for
appeal. The truth is, I want them to
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this stuff.
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Why?
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Because it's been in the papers for
months. There's no way those jurors
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heard of it. We'll need to address it,
Courtney.
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They're not calling you the Black Widow
because you're like bugs.
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She was thrown out of the house by her
mother. She's never had a father. She's
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15 years old.
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I'd just like to do this quietly before
it becomes front page of the Metro
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section, which it would be.
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What's your offer?
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I'll give involuntary manslaughter three
years. That way she's out when she's 18
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instead of 21.
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She might have a shot at a life.
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Well, I need to look at her file. I'll
talk it over with her, but that sounds
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great.
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Gamble said she'd help me.
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She is, Jenny. Trust me.
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Involuntary manslaughter is a very good
offer considering this happened in your
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third trimester.
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You could be out by the time you're 18.
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And even if we went to trial and won on
diminished capacity, you're still
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looking at as much time.
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So I should plead guilty?
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Well, first I want you to undergo a
psychiatric exam.
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Then I'd like to review your statement
and the police report a little more,
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but... Yes, it's an excellent deal, and
I think we should jump at it.
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Has your mom come to see you yet?
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I don't think she even knows.
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Could you tell her?
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Sure.
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I'm going to get Lucy Hatcher, my
assistant, to come in and talk to you.
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going to need to get you some new
clothes for court.
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Okay. All right.
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I'm going to be in touch.
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And were you able to determine the cause
of death, doctor?
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Acute cardiac arrest.
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You did toxicology tests?
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We did.
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Anything remarkable in those tests?
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We found traces of the drug commonly
known as Viagra.
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I never ever prescribed Viagra for
Jerry.
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Did you ever talk about Viagra with him?
Yes, we did.
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And I told him in no uncertain terms,
taking that drug would be a death
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sentence. Why is that, doctor?
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Jerry had a weak heart. He'd gone
through two separate bypass operations.
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The very last thing he should have been
taking is a pill to facilitate sexual
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marathons. The reason you had talked
about Viagra with Jerry Hansen is
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he wanted it. Isn't that right, Doctor?
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Yes, but I... Thank you. In addition to
being Jerry Hansen's doctor, were you
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also his friend?
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Yes, I was.
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His death was very upsetting for you. Do
they teach that in law school?
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It's upsetting when friends die. Doctor?
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Of course I'm upset.
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And if you believe my client was
responsible for his death, you want to
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convicted, wouldn't you?
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Objection. Goes to bias.
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You've made the point. Move on.
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Doctor, you said Jerry wanted to perform
better with my client.
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Yes.
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Sexually perform.
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Yes, sexually perform.
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She wanted him to perform better, and he
wanted to perform better. She played
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these mind games with him, made him feel
inadequate.
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Well, if he were feeling inadequate,
could that be why he wanted the Viagra?
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Possibly, but I... And if you wouldn't
give it to him, you make no room for the
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possibility that he might go get it
someplace else. Well, why was it ground
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and put into wine? Move to strike. If he
wanted to take it... Move to strike.
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She laced the wine and killed him.
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That's enough.
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Doctor, did you advise Jerry Hampton to
refrain from sexual intercourse
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altogether?
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No. I told him to be very careful and
take it slow.
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Well, then, why couldn't he take the
drug just to help him perform, but
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carefully and slowly?
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People with heart conditions do use this
drug sometimes. Isn't that right,
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Doctor? Yes, but I didn't think it was
indicative for Jerry. Why not?
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Because knowing Jerry, I was afraid he
would try to keep up with her.
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And add Viagra, his heart might give out
before... And knowing Jerry's nature.
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He wouldn't have the sense to stop.
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Was that your fear?
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Yes.
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Thank you, Doctor.
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Miss Holbrook?
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Yeah. My name is Eleanor Frutt. I'm an
attorney.
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What do you want?
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I'm afraid I have some bad news.
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She dead?
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Who?
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Jenny.
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Oh, no, no, no, no. She's not dead.
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But her baby is, and she has been
charged with its death. She's in custody
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and I'm representing her.
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What's going to happen to her?
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Well, she may have to go to a juvenile
detention center until she's 18. That's
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what we're hoping for.
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Three years?
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Baby lasts a lot longer than that. She
made out good.
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Yeah.
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We tested the wine. The results
indicated there were remnants of Viagra
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And what, if any, conclusions did you
draw from this detective?
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That the Viagra had been ground up and
put into the wine.
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Her previous husband, Mr. Carter, died
of an insulin overdose.
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Accidental? There was evidence to
support that he was killed by the
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who was still married to him at the
time.
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What evidence?
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He was a diabetic. He gave himself
insulin injections daily and had been
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years without incident.
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And here we had a massive overdose.
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It was hard for us to believe that he
could have made such a huge mistake.
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Latent fingerprints on the syringe
matched the defendant.
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She inherited under the will, which gave
financial motive.
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You never charged Mrs. Hanson with Mr.
Carter's death?
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No, we were never able to collect enough
evidence.
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In fact, the truth is, you had no
evidence, other than your suspicion.
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Isn't that right, Detective?
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Her prints were on the syringe.
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She could have handed him the syringe
like she said.
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Possible.
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Possible. We're missing something.
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Why?
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Their case is lousy. It's all
circumstantial innuendo. Marsha Scott is
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DA and she hasn't put anything on the
table.
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We're missing something.
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Courtney.
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Are we?
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No. I mean... What's your son gonna say?
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Just what we talked about.
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But he's had an agenda from the
beginning. He never even wanted me to
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father in the first place.
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Why?
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He was afraid I'd kill him.
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Because of all the suspicion around my
previous husband's death.
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Well, they must think he's some kind of
witness because they're resting on his
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testimony.
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We're missing something.
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They could rest by midday tomorrow, so
let's go over your testimony.
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I go first?
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You're first and last. You're all we
have.
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How'd it go?
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All right.
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Did you tell her mother?
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Yeah, you know what she said? Three
years, not so bad. A baby lasts longer
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three years.
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Eleanor, Helen told her she could leave.
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She also told Jenny about her own
abortion and how she needed to talk
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I think she was tricked into that
confession.
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She told you she had an abortion?
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Yes. And what else?
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Just how hard it was for her and how she
made it worth by keeping it all inside.
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She said it would be better for me to
tell her and that if I did, she'd make
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sure I could leave jail.
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What else?
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She just kept saying how, you know, she
understood how I would want to make the
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baby go away.
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And...
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How my life... I thought she'd help me.
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She never said I'd be convicted of
murder.
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She never said that.
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My first husband?
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How is he relevant?
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Well, we have to cover the old thing.
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All your husbands were.
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Years older. It's a question the jury
will be asking, and I'd like to answer
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It's not something I really want to get
into on the witness stand in front of a
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room full of reporters.
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Well, get into it now, and I'll decide
whether it's useful or not.
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I, uh... began to develop when I was 11.
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My older brother's friends were copping
fields by the time I was 12.
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When I was 15, college guys were hitting
on me.
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Even now, your colleague, Mr. Berluti.
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And even you.
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Have your thoughts.
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Me? What have I done?
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Get beside the point. The point is, I've
been on my guard with men my whole
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life.
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The only man I ever felt safe with
growing up was my dad.
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So, I suppose on some level, my
attraction to older men is
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more about... I'm being drawn to the
safety of...
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I don't know.
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I hope that you don't feel that I've
been... You've been nothing but totally
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professional.
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But I know when a man's attracted to me.
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Sometimes even before he does.
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Your Honor, you didn't tell her? I don't
want her prepared.
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3 -2 -6 -2 -2, Commonwealth versus
Jennifer Holbrook, murder in the first
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degree.
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Your Honor, both parties offer joint
recommendation as discussed in
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I'm sure Miss Holbrook... Actually, Your
Honor, defense rescinds its agreement
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on the plea and instead brings a motion
to suppress Miss Holbrook's confession.
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Eleanor. On what grounds?
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My client's statement was a result of
coercion. It was also obtained in
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violation of her Fifth Amendment rights.
What are you talking about? Miranda, my
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client didn't understand. She was read
her rights twice. And then she was
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basically unread them, Helen. What?
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What's going on here? Ms.
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Gamble told my client that if she gave a
statement, she would get to leave.
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Basically, Your Honor, where Miranda
says anything you say may be used
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you, Ms. Gamble told her anything you
say may be used to help you.
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Miss Holbrook is 15 years old, still in
the throes of a pretty big emotional
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wallop, and she believes the promises
that Miss Gamble made. Oh, come on.
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Have you ever had an abortion?
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She talked to my client about her very
own abortion in order to get Jenny to
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admit that she killed her unborn child.
The only thing that matters for the
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purpose of a confession is was the
suspect read her rights and did she make
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statement voluntarily.
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She was. She did. And I contend she was
confused in respect to her rights,
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deliberately confused, and that the
statement was not voluntary.
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All right.
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I'd like to see Ms. Harbrook and
Chambers, please.
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Excuse me?
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Is there a problem with me asking a few
questions, counsel?
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Nice ambush, Eleanor. You know, don't
talk to me about ambush, Helen. You used
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me. I did no such thing. You figured I'd
be less inclined to doubt your motives
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and I don't like it. My motive was to
help that girl. And what was it when you
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went into that room to interrogate her?
To get her statement. Having got a
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confession, I did have compassion for
her. That is why I came to you. I don't
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know how in good conscience you can
trick a 15 -year -old. Your client is a
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murderer, Eleanor.
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You're angry. I understand.
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But don't appeal to me unconscious.
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I was suspicious of her from the very
beginning.
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Why was that?
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My father was in his 70s.
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Frail. He wasn't what anybody would call
attractive.
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Nor was he at all charming.
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And she falls in love with him?
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Did your father ever talk to you about
his relationship with the defendant?
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Sometimes.
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Specifically, what did he talk about?
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Specifically, sex.
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He said she was insatiable.
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He once said that... Objection, hearsay.
Did he ever seem upset when he spoke of
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sex? Once he was very excited, yes.
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What did he say then?
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Objection. Excited utterance, exception
to the hearsay rule. And he just
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happened to use that word excited. This
witness has been coached. I object to
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that. All right.
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Mr. Donald, your objection is overruled.
Please sit. The witness may answer the
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question. What did your father tell you,
Mr. Hanson?
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He said she would make love so
physically sometimes.
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It was violent.
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Almost sadistic.
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He wondered whether she was trying to
give him a heart attack.
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What else, sir?
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He said she'd taunt him during sex.
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Taunt him to go harder.
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Like some weird psychological
punishment.
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I have nothing further, Your Honor.
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Did she say, I'm going to put Viagra in
his wine and then make love to him till
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he suffers a coronary? Because that
would be good testimony, Mr. Hanson.
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you should have her say that.
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Objection. Withdrawal.
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Did your father feel his life was in
danger?
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Well, I think a little he did.
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Did you take him seriously?
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Yes. Did you notify the police, talk to
my client, express your concern?
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No. So you weren't concerned.
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You took the danger seriously, but he
didn't concern you.
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What was I supposed to do? Go to the
police and say...
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Hey, I think my stepmother is trying to
intercourse my father to death.
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If you were concerned, yes.
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Tell me, Mr. Hanson, if my client is
convicted of murder and becomes
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disqualified from the inheritance, who
then takes under the will?
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That would be me. That would be you. Do
you think I'm sitting in this chair
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today because of money?
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That's exactly what I think. I think
you're a liar.
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Objection. I think your testimony was
false.
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Calculated. Objection. Are you lying to
get your father's money? Counsel.
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It's just a little too damn convenient
for me. I'm sorry. My client is being
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charged with murder for inducing a heart
attack, and you get up here and say,
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gee, my father told me he was afraid
she'd give him a heart attack, when you
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never said that to anybody before, Mr.
Hanson. And you remember to add he was
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excited when he said it to get around
the hearsay rule.
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Well, probably at the district
attorney's coaching. Objection! It's
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little too convenient. He's badgering.
Damn right I am. I badger life. Mr.
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Young, that's enough.
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You said she makes love in a violent
way.
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That's what he said. What's violent to a
70 -year -old man? I don't know. Well,
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did you ask?
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Your father says violent. You don't
follow that up and say, Dad, what do you
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mean? I wish I had.
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You said she talks.
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She's sadistic.
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She pathologically punishes him, and you
don't even go to her and say what's
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going on?
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What kind of caring son are you?
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Maybe I should have done that. Do you
know what perjury is, Craig? Objection!
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You're under oath here, Mr. Young!
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I'm done.
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And since... You know, she was an
attorney.
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I thought... I thought she would make it
so I could leave.
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But when you signed this statement...
She said that if I told them exactly
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happened, it would be better for me by
not keeping stuff inside.
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And I... She told you she had an
abortion?
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Yes. And how terrible it was for her
that she kept stuff buried inside and...
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You lied to me.
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I trusted you and you lied to me. All
right, Jenny.
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The detective told you, did they not,
that the things you said could be used
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against you in a court of law?
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Yes.
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But then she came in and she's an
attorney and she said they wouldn't be.
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Jenny,
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I think...
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I'd like you to wait outside for a
minute.
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Keep her here, please.
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Aren't we resourceful?
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None of her civil rights were violated.
Did you have an abortion?
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No.
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Tricks are used in interrogations all
the time. This was a lie.
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Lies, too.
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There's nothing unconstitutional about
lying to a suspect so long as they
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understand their rights, which he did.
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I disagree with that. She didn't
understand her rights. Oh, come on.
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can all try to get inside this girl's
head, but that's not the way it goes.
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We have constitutional do's and don'ts.
We didn't commit any of the don'ts.
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The statement is valid and admissible.
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That's my decision.
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I'm going to think about it.
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We'll reconvene at 2 o 'clock.
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May I say something?
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You're all thinking about Jenny
Holbrook.
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I wasn't called in to talk to Jenny
Holbrook.
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I was brought down to question a murder
suspect.
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A suspect who killed a baby. A suspect
who wouldn't talk to the police.
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Now, the morality of how I tricked her
has no relevance.
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This isn't a moral arena. It is a legal
one.
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And everything I did was legal. And she
has this backstory and a fragile
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personality and an abusive mother. It
all seems just so awful now.
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Here's a flash.
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Killers don't like to talk.
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It's not easy getting these confessions.
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Tag a bunch of moral strings now on top
of the constitutional ones. We will
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never get anybody.
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He brought the Viagra.
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Your husband did? Yes.
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Did he say where he had gotten it?
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No. And then you put it in the wine?
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Yes. He had 50 milligrams, one pill, and
while we were talking about the fact
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that it was now being reported that
women got benefits from taking it too,
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more for a laugh than anything else, we
ground up the pill and we sprinkled it
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into our wine.
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And then?
460
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After dinner, we watched some
television, then we went to bed, and we
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And the effects of the Viagra.
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Well, it definitely works.
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And at some point... Jerry grabbed his
chest.
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He was having a heart attack.
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I called 911, performed CPR, but by the
time the paramedics got there, he
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was gone.
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There's been testimony that you were
extremely physical.
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And that you taunted... That's
completely false. Craig Hansen was
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His father never said those things to
him. Our lovemaking was never very
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physical. It was certainly not violent.
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My husband had a heart condition, and we
were always mindful of it. Both of us.
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You say your husband brought the Viagra?
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That's right.
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Did you ever get Viagra from your
doctor?
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00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:10,910
No. Ever talk to her about the virtues
of Viagra for women?
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Well, yes, we had discussed that.
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Okay. I have nothing further, Your
Honor.
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Counsel.
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The witness may step down.
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Mr. Donald.
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The defense rests, Your Honor. The
Commonwealth calls one rebuttal witness,
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Gail Parent.
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Who is it?
484
00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:40,180
She's my doctor.
485
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:45,700
Defense objects, Your Honor. Sidebar.
486
00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:53,660
This is my client's own doctor.
487
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,800
What's your offer of proof?
488
00:28:56,020 --> 00:29:00,120
She's prepared to testify she gave the
defendant Viagra samples two days before
489
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Jerry Hansen died.
490
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,270
It's... Privileged doctor, patient
relationship. She waived privilege. She
491
00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,810
opened the door. How? During her
testimony. She had the right to assert
492
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:21,770
privilege. She didn't. She talked about
her doctor when I asked her. That is so
493
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:26,410
bogus. You can't selectively assert
privilege, Your Honor. The woman did
494
00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:28,610
questions about things she discussed
with her physician.
495
00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:31,110
I'm going to allow it. You've got to be
kidding me.
496
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:32,530
She opened the door.
497
00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:39,530
I knew we were missing something.
498
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:40,870
That was their ace.
499
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:48,750
You got the Viagra from your own doctor?
500
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:54,670
I was afraid of how it would look if...
People would think that I secretly put
501
00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:55,569
it in his wine.
502
00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:56,209
Did you?
503
00:29:56,210 --> 00:30:00,090
No. It happened exactly as I said. It
didn't happen as you said.
504
00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:03,070
You got the Viagra and now they caught
you in a lie.
505
00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:06,850
Our whole case was your testimony, your
credibility, and now it's shot.
506
00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:09,250
Don't yell at me. You lied to us,
Courtney.
507
00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:11,810
I didn't kill him. We were making love.
508
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:14,190
I didn't kill him. Well, that's how it
looks.
509
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:26,530
After your doctor testifies, you have to
get back up there and explain to the
510
00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:28,590
jury why you lied.
511
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:32,610
And I hope you're good.
512
00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:44,910
I was just so afraid of how it would
look.
513
00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:49,510
Everybody thinks that I killed my last
husband. I was afraid if they knew that
514
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:51,250
was the one who procured the Viagra...
515
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:53,650
So you lied.
516
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:55,110
Yes.
517
00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:58,910
But we both agreed to put it into the
wine.
518
00:31:00,890 --> 00:31:04,130
Courtney, why should the jury believe
you now?
519
00:31:04,550 --> 00:31:06,050
I don't have an answer to that.
520
00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:11,970
Why should anybody believe that I could
fall in love with an older man? But I
521
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:12,970
did.
522
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:17,310
I did.
523
00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:21,470
Let's talk about that.
524
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:24,860
You've fallen in love with three older
men.
525
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,260
For whatever reason, I've found safety
in older men.
526
00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,980
They're not as predatory, I suppose.
527
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,820
I was telling Mr. Donald that it
probably goes to the safety that I found
528
00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:36,820
my own father.
529
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800
You felt safe with your dad?
530
00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:47,780
Your dad died serving time in Carteret
Prison in New Jersey, didn't he?
531
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,020
He was convicted of raping you when you
were nine years old.
532
00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,720
He was wrongly convicted.
533
00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:00,660
It never happened.
534
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,520
Your mother and your sister walked in on
it.
535
00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:08,560
Mrs. Hanson, it never happened.
536
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,140
Your Honor, could I have time to confer
with my client?
537
00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:12,540
No, you may not.
538
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,620
You don't find safety with these older
men, do you, Mrs. Hanson? You find your
539
00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:20,020
anger, your hatred.
540
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,880
He was wrongly convicted.
541
00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:26,420
It never happened.
542
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440
So, Courtney, any other surprises?
543
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:54,610
Never happened.
544
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:14,910
Be seated.
545
00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:22,470
Well, Miss Gamble, you're completely
right. There is nothing illegal or
546
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:27,980
unconscious. about deceiving suspects
into giving statements. It's done all
547
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:34,060
time. But still, I can't help but think
that somehow we've lost our way.
548
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,380
The whole point of our constitutional
safeguards is to protect the suspects
549
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:41,620
against police misconduct.
550
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,320
Maybe you wanted the letter of the law
here, but the spirit of it took a
551
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
beating.
552
00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:52,940
The defense counsel's argument that a
Mirandized suspect was in effect de
553
00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,260
-Mirandized is a valid one.
554
00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:57,180
She's 15.
555
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,560
By the time you got through with her,
she believed she'd help herself by
556
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,680
talking. It doesn't make sense that you
can read somebody her rights so she'll
557
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,639
understand, only then to deliberately
confuse her and smile with a
558
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:12,739
constitutional wink.
559
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:18,100
It would seem that the players in our
system could at least act in good.
560
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:28,639
But as a judge, I'm bound by precedent,
and trickery still
561
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,139
survives any constitutional challenge.
562
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,239
I suppose Ms. Gamble said it best.
563
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,120
This is a legal arena, not a moral one.
564
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,340
The statement is allowed.
565
00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,699
We'll conference next Tuesday at 9 o
'clock to set a trial date.
566
00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:49,060
adjourned.
567
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,540
Well, there's certainly been a few
surprises here today.
568
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:27,220
And watching Courtney Hanson on the
stand, maybe she's got some denial
569
00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:29,120
about what happened to her as a child.
570
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,280
Maybe it didn't really happen.
571
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,080
Obviously, the prosecution wants you to
believe that she's acting out her anger
572
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,240
against these older men she married.
It's a theory.
573
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,400
But at the end of the day, that's all
they have.
574
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,440
Suspicion, jealousy, innuendo, theory.
575
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:52,450
There is no evidence to establish that
you purposely caused Jerry Hansen to
576
00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:53,450
a heart attack.
577
00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:54,850
Suspicion? Yes.
578
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:56,850
But evidence?
579
00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:58,690
What is it?
580
00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:06,210
Jerry Hansen told his son he was afraid
the
581
00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:10,250
way she pushed him during intercourse.
582
00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:16,510
And yes, we can consider the way her
previous husband died because it's a
583
00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:17,510
pattern.
584
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:22,790
Rich old men, death, she inherits.
585
00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:26,610
If his father said he felt danger, why
did this loving son do nothing?
586
00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:29,170
If she gets convicted, he inherits
everything.
587
00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:34,570
Why is this loving son suddenly making
noise as the will goes to probate?
588
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:39,270
She ground up that Viagra so he wouldn't
detect it. Come on.
589
00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:45,490
A man with a weak heart, two bypasses,
she has intercourse for over an hour?
590
00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:51,010
If that... isn't reckless disregard,
then what is?
591
00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:56,570
A man with a weak heart, prone to
pushing too hard, has a coronary.
592
00:36:56,570 --> 00:36:57,570
charging murder.
593
00:36:57,650 --> 00:37:02,530
That's out there to begin with. To prove
it, you better have some pretty strong
594
00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:05,530
evidence. They don't have any.
595
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,930
They're asking you to convict with
suspicion.
596
00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:11,610
Why did she lie?
597
00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:17,420
If she's innocent, why didn't she just
take that stand and tell us the truth?
598
00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,360
But she didn't do that, did she? She
lied.
599
00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:25,180
Afraid you might get the right idea.
600
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:44,650
Murder, too?
601
00:37:44,890 --> 00:37:45,890
Chance of parole.
602
00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:51,350
If you get convicted of first degree,
you go away forever.
603
00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:56,650
Do you think I'll be convicted?
604
00:37:57,490 --> 00:38:02,410
Strictly on the evidence, you shouldn't
be, but I'm not so sure the jury won't
605
00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:03,410
look beyond the evidence.
606
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:06,950
The insulin OD of your last husband,
that'll hurt.
607
00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:08,850
You lying on the stand.
608
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,660
I didn't do it.
609
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,280
26 minutes.
610
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,020
They have a verdict?
611
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,640
What does that mean?
612
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:31,660
In this case, I have no idea. They could
have easily said no evidence, or they
613
00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:35,300
could have just quickly concluded that
you're guilty. I have no idea.
614
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,540
Well, if we're going to take the deal...
Courtney...
615
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:43,840
It's your call.
616
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:49,430
I'll take my chances.
617
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,330
Courtney, the jury's not looking over.
618
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,120
on the table.
619
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360
I hate to rush you.
620
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:50,780
Okay.
621
00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:52,180
Your Honor.
622
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000
We've reached a plea.
623
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,140
Murder in the second degree. It's too
late. The jury's returned its verdict.
624
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,320
It's not too late. The verdict hasn't
been entered. We are about to enter it,
625
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,940
Captain. It's not entered. We have a
right to reach a plea.
626
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,460
I'll file an interlocutory appeal. We'll
go upstairs and we'll argue it.
627
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,060
You really want to do this? We're fine
with it. It'll spare us an appeal.
628
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,020
I don't like these last -minute stunts,
Mr. Donald. It's not a stunt.
629
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,940
It's a legitimate plea agreement.
630
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,800
Mrs. Hanson.
631
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:40,480
Do you agree to plead guilty to murder
in the second degree?
632
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,320
I do, Your Honor.
633
00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:45,620
So entered.
634
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,340
Members of the jury, thank you for your
service. This matter is adjourned.
635
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,040
Sentencing, 2 o 'clock Friday.
636
00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:59,100
Mr. Donald, I'm not big on passing notes
in class, but you can keep this.
637
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,660
I think we did the right thing.
638
00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:45,300
I'll be in. We need... We need to talk
before sentencing.
639
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,660
I think we did the right thing.
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