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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,410 --> 00:00:04,250 When did this happen? Eight days ago. 2 00:00:04,490 --> 00:00:06,390 Why didn't the hospital notify the police? 3 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:09,990 Admitting says he wasn't convinced the crime had been committed. I don't 4 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:13,690 it. He also says he wanted her to heal first before asking any tough questions. 5 00:00:14,070 --> 00:00:16,149 That may be true. She's been read her rights? 6 00:00:16,790 --> 00:00:20,490 Twice. She didn't ask for a lawyer. She hadn't said anything. She won't talk. 7 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:32,689 Hi, Jenny. 8 00:00:33,050 --> 00:00:34,330 My name's Helen Campbell. 9 00:00:35,250 --> 00:00:36,550 I'm the district attorney. 10 00:00:36,990 --> 00:00:38,150 I know you're scared. 11 00:00:38,790 --> 00:00:41,430 Being brought in by the police, you must be terrified. 12 00:00:43,070 --> 00:00:44,730 But I'm not the police, okay? 13 00:00:45,370 --> 00:00:46,970 And I think I can help you. 14 00:00:48,290 --> 00:00:50,230 But you're going to have to trust me first. 15 00:00:50,750 --> 00:00:52,590 I just want to leave. 16 00:00:52,910 --> 00:00:54,430 And I will make sure you do. 17 00:00:56,190 --> 00:01:01,090 But first, I... I just want you to tell me what happened, okay? 18 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:05,480 Now, Dr. Matthews said you tried to kill yourself. Is that true? 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:08,740 Can you tell me why? 20 00:01:10,380 --> 00:01:15,480 Because... I know this stuff is hard to talk about, so tell you what. 21 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,280 I'll tell you what I do know, and you can fill in some of the blanks, all 22 00:01:21,220 --> 00:01:22,940 Your mom threw you out of the house. 23 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:25,860 When did she throw you out, Jenny? 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,160 The day before. 25 00:01:27,500 --> 00:01:29,540 The day before you tried to take your life? 26 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:31,300 Yes. 27 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,160 Did she throw you out because she was angry that you were pregnant? 28 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,780 Yes. And you were seven months. 29 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:42,960 Why was she so upset, do you know? 30 00:01:45,380 --> 00:01:48,760 She used to always say, don't go and get knocked up. 31 00:01:49,260 --> 00:01:50,800 It was a big thing with her. 32 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:55,020 So when she found out, she kind of went berserk and stuff. 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,740 Told me my life would be ruined and... I don't know. 34 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,580 What about your dad? 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,100 I don't have a dad. 36 00:02:04,060 --> 00:02:07,340 My mother doesn't even know who he is or was. 37 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:15,180 I think that she got knocked up. 38 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,060 I was probably the baby that ruined her life. 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,360 You being pregnant, this was sort of a huge disaster, huh? 40 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:27,540 Were you upset when she threw you out of the house? 41 00:02:28,260 --> 00:02:29,260 Yes. 42 00:02:30,510 --> 00:02:32,250 Is that the reason you tried to kill yourself? 43 00:02:34,670 --> 00:02:35,670 Probably. 44 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:40,550 Are you really going to help me? 45 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:42,210 You have my word. 46 00:02:45,690 --> 00:02:50,870 I saw that after you stabbed yourself, I see you then got yourself to a 47 00:02:50,870 --> 00:02:51,870 hospital. 48 00:02:54,850 --> 00:02:57,410 Did you then decide you really wanted to live? 49 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:02,970 Yeah. It was hurting so bad, I just wanted the pain to go away. 50 00:03:04,270 --> 00:03:07,750 Did you really think you would kill yourself by stabbing yourself in the 51 00:03:07,750 --> 00:03:08,750 stomach, Jenny? 52 00:03:09,850 --> 00:03:10,850 I don't know. 53 00:03:14,970 --> 00:03:16,970 When I was 19, I got pregnant. 54 00:03:18,790 --> 00:03:19,830 I had an abortion. 55 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:22,590 I was way too young for a baby. 56 00:03:25,690 --> 00:03:26,690 What are you, 15? 57 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,100 Look, it's okay. 58 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:34,440 You need to talk about this. You can't try to bear this alone. 59 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:36,240 Trust me. 60 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,140 I tried to keep everything inside, and it caused me more pain than anything 61 00:03:42,140 --> 00:03:43,140 in my whole life. 62 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,660 It's okay to talk about it, Jenny. 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:54,260 When you stabbed yourself, you were only trying to kill the baby, weren't you? 64 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:02,220 It's okay, Jenny. You're only 15 years old. For you to try to raise a child 65 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:03,840 mom had thrown you out of the house. 66 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,000 You were only trying to kill the baby. Isn't that right? 67 00:04:12,780 --> 00:04:17,959 You thought if you could make the baby go away, things would be better. 68 00:04:21,459 --> 00:04:22,600 It's okay, sweetheart. 69 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:25,700 I'm going to help you. 70 00:04:27,980 --> 00:04:31,500 But first I'm going to send someone in to write down the things we talked 71 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:33,500 Then I'm going to help you get out. 72 00:04:35,660 --> 00:04:36,660 I promise. 73 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,000 Get her statement. 74 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:41,310 This is the first trial of its kind where a woman is actually being charged 75 00:05:41,310 --> 00:05:42,650 fornicating her husband to death. 76 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:44,070 Jeez, it's an original. 77 00:05:44,550 --> 00:05:48,070 She's now accused of inducing his heart attack with sexual intercourse. 78 00:05:48,310 --> 00:05:52,090 The defense firm of Donald Young Dole and Frudge is... Hey, I gotta run down 79 00:05:52,090 --> 00:05:54,470 the courthouse. Favor for Helen's on a homicide case. 80 00:05:54,750 --> 00:05:56,650 Helen's asking me to favor on a homicide case? 81 00:05:56,950 --> 00:05:59,750 I'll call you when I know more. ...to bother some men, however. 82 00:06:00,300 --> 00:06:04,500 In one of the more amusing polls, 33 % of the men said they would nevertheless 83 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:09,320 still want to have sex with the Black Widow, fully knowing she might then try 84 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:09,959 kill them. 85 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:10,960 I would. 86 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:12,940 Ew. 87 00:06:14,100 --> 00:06:17,780 3 -2 -6 -2 -2. Commonwealth versus Jennifer Holbrook. Murder in the first 88 00:06:17,780 --> 00:06:19,600 degree. Eleanor Frost for the defendant. 89 00:06:20,020 --> 00:06:21,680 Wave reading. We enter a plea of not guilty. 90 00:06:21,980 --> 00:06:25,260 Helen Gamble for the Commonwealth. Your Honor, I'd like to conference. I think 91 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:26,420 we can dispose of it today. 92 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,660 A first degree murder case? 93 00:06:29,070 --> 00:06:30,070 I'd like to conference. 94 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:32,250 Let's go. 95 00:06:35,030 --> 00:06:36,030 Jenny? 96 00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:40,030 I'm Eleanor Fratt, and I'm your attorney here. And right now, I'm going to go 97 00:06:40,030 --> 00:06:43,050 back there, and I'm going to talk to the judge and the district attorney, and 98 00:06:43,050 --> 00:06:44,450 then I'm going to come back and talk to you, okay? 99 00:06:45,310 --> 00:06:49,390 Okay. Okay, it's very important that you don't talk to anybody about this. 100 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:50,770 Nobody. 101 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:14,350 It's a prior bad act, an admissible under... It goes to pattern, Your Honor. 102 00:07:14,350 --> 00:07:17,450 killed her last husband. She killed this one. She killed neither, and two cannot 103 00:07:17,450 --> 00:07:20,350 make a pattern anyway. She could have killed her first husband as well. That 104 00:07:20,350 --> 00:07:23,370 would make three. Her first husband died of cancer. What are you saying? 105 00:07:23,610 --> 00:07:24,610 She's clever. 106 00:07:26,290 --> 00:07:27,290 Settle down. 107 00:07:27,820 --> 00:07:29,240 I'll remove you all if I have to. 108 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:32,720 Your Honor, my client was never charged with the murder of her previous husband. 109 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,079 She was and still is suspected. 110 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Three marriages, three dead husbands. That's a pattern. 111 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,060 I'm going to allow it. 112 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:45,060 Appealed. So noted. Anything else? No, Your Honor. Is the Commonwealth ready 113 00:07:45,060 --> 00:07:46,920 trial? Ready, Your Honor. Mr. Donald? 114 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,620 Ready. Two o 'clock. Till then. 115 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,960 Unless you don't see all colors try. 116 00:07:56,320 --> 00:08:00,340 Just preserving the objection for appeal. The truth is, I want them to 117 00:08:00,340 --> 00:08:01,319 this stuff. 118 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,320 Why? 119 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,780 Because it's been in the papers for months. There's no way those jurors 120 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:08,100 heard of it. We'll need to address it, Courtney. 121 00:08:08,620 --> 00:08:10,980 They're not calling you the Black Widow because you're like bugs. 122 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,440 She was thrown out of the house by her mother. She's never had a father. She's 123 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:19,440 15 years old. 124 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:23,300 I'd just like to do this quietly before it becomes front page of the Metro 125 00:08:23,300 --> 00:08:24,520 section, which it would be. 126 00:08:25,170 --> 00:08:26,170 What's your offer? 127 00:08:26,990 --> 00:08:30,910 I'll give involuntary manslaughter three years. That way she's out when she's 18 128 00:08:30,910 --> 00:08:31,910 instead of 21. 129 00:08:32,450 --> 00:08:33,929 She might have a shot at a life. 130 00:08:35,250 --> 00:08:38,250 Well, I need to look at her file. I'll talk it over with her, but that sounds 131 00:08:38,250 --> 00:08:39,250 great. 132 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:42,429 Gamble said she'd help me. 133 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:44,070 She is, Jenny. Trust me. 134 00:08:44,950 --> 00:08:48,930 Involuntary manslaughter is a very good offer considering this happened in your 135 00:08:48,930 --> 00:08:49,930 third trimester. 136 00:08:50,330 --> 00:08:52,150 You could be out by the time you're 18. 137 00:08:52,890 --> 00:08:56,850 And even if we went to trial and won on diminished capacity, you're still 138 00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:58,130 looking at as much time. 139 00:08:59,230 --> 00:09:01,210 So I should plead guilty? 140 00:09:01,470 --> 00:09:04,290 Well, first I want you to undergo a psychiatric exam. 141 00:09:04,630 --> 00:09:07,610 Then I'd like to review your statement and the police report a little more, 142 00:09:07,730 --> 00:09:13,850 but... Yes, it's an excellent deal, and I think we should jump at it. 143 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:25,030 Has your mom come to see you yet? 144 00:09:26,310 --> 00:09:28,010 I don't think she even knows. 145 00:09:32,150 --> 00:09:33,150 Could you tell her? 146 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:34,730 Sure. 147 00:09:36,790 --> 00:09:39,850 I'm going to get Lucy Hatcher, my assistant, to come in and talk to you. 148 00:09:39,850 --> 00:09:41,370 going to need to get you some new clothes for court. 149 00:09:42,390 --> 00:09:43,870 Okay. All right. 150 00:09:46,810 --> 00:09:47,810 I'm going to be in touch. 151 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,680 And were you able to determine the cause of death, doctor? 152 00:10:06,100 --> 00:10:07,340 Acute cardiac arrest. 153 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,220 You did toxicology tests? 154 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:09,939 We did. 155 00:10:09,940 --> 00:10:11,580 Anything remarkable in those tests? 156 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,000 We found traces of the drug commonly known as Viagra. 157 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,460 I never ever prescribed Viagra for Jerry. 158 00:10:18,700 --> 00:10:21,460 Did you ever talk about Viagra with him? Yes, we did. 159 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,500 And I told him in no uncertain terms, taking that drug would be a death 160 00:10:26,500 --> 00:10:28,340 sentence. Why is that, doctor? 161 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:33,050 Jerry had a weak heart. He'd gone through two separate bypass operations. 162 00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:37,630 The very last thing he should have been taking is a pill to facilitate sexual 163 00:10:37,630 --> 00:10:42,010 marathons. The reason you had talked about Viagra with Jerry Hansen is 164 00:10:42,010 --> 00:10:43,690 he wanted it. Isn't that right, Doctor? 165 00:10:43,950 --> 00:10:47,830 Yes, but I... Thank you. In addition to being Jerry Hansen's doctor, were you 166 00:10:47,830 --> 00:10:48,830 also his friend? 167 00:10:49,010 --> 00:10:50,010 Yes, I was. 168 00:10:50,170 --> 00:10:53,530 His death was very upsetting for you. Do they teach that in law school? 169 00:10:53,810 --> 00:10:56,230 It's upsetting when friends die. Doctor? 170 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:58,480 Of course I'm upset. 171 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,380 And if you believe my client was responsible for his death, you want to 172 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:03,380 convicted, wouldn't you? 173 00:11:03,660 --> 00:11:04,720 Objection. Goes to bias. 174 00:11:04,940 --> 00:11:06,320 You've made the point. Move on. 175 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,420 Doctor, you said Jerry wanted to perform better with my client. 176 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,640 Yes. 177 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:13,760 Sexually perform. 178 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:15,240 Yes, sexually perform. 179 00:11:15,620 --> 00:11:20,460 She wanted him to perform better, and he wanted to perform better. She played 180 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:23,200 these mind games with him, made him feel inadequate. 181 00:11:23,820 --> 00:11:26,680 Well, if he were feeling inadequate, could that be why he wanted the Viagra? 182 00:11:27,220 --> 00:11:29,940 Possibly, but I... And if you wouldn't give it to him, you make no room for the 183 00:11:29,940 --> 00:11:34,320 possibility that he might go get it someplace else. Well, why was it ground 184 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,860 and put into wine? Move to strike. If he wanted to take it... Move to strike. 185 00:11:37,980 --> 00:11:39,400 She laced the wine and killed him. 186 00:11:40,020 --> 00:11:41,020 That's enough. 187 00:11:43,700 --> 00:11:49,100 Doctor, did you advise Jerry Hampton to refrain from sexual intercourse 188 00:11:49,100 --> 00:11:50,100 altogether? 189 00:11:50,740 --> 00:11:54,200 No. I told him to be very careful and take it slow. 190 00:11:54,460 --> 00:11:58,840 Well, then, why couldn't he take the drug just to help him perform, but 191 00:11:58,840 --> 00:11:59,960 carefully and slowly? 192 00:12:01,460 --> 00:12:05,340 People with heart conditions do use this drug sometimes. Isn't that right, 193 00:12:05,460 --> 00:12:09,540 Doctor? Yes, but I didn't think it was indicative for Jerry. Why not? 194 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,260 Because knowing Jerry, I was afraid he would try to keep up with her. 195 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:19,660 And add Viagra, his heart might give out before... And knowing Jerry's nature. 196 00:12:20,270 --> 00:12:21,570 He wouldn't have the sense to stop. 197 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:22,970 Was that your fear? 198 00:12:23,290 --> 00:12:24,290 Yes. 199 00:12:25,290 --> 00:12:26,290 Thank you, Doctor. 200 00:12:32,490 --> 00:12:33,490 Miss Holbrook? 201 00:12:34,170 --> 00:12:36,450 Yeah. My name is Eleanor Frutt. I'm an attorney. 202 00:12:37,210 --> 00:12:38,210 What do you want? 203 00:12:38,370 --> 00:12:39,750 I'm afraid I have some bad news. 204 00:12:41,510 --> 00:12:42,510 She dead? 205 00:12:43,250 --> 00:12:44,250 Who? 206 00:12:44,450 --> 00:12:45,450 Jenny. 207 00:12:45,810 --> 00:12:47,570 Oh, no, no, no, no. She's not dead. 208 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,640 But her baby is, and she has been charged with its death. She's in custody 209 00:12:52,700 --> 00:12:53,700 and I'm representing her. 210 00:12:53,940 --> 00:12:55,100 What's going to happen to her? 211 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:00,320 Well, she may have to go to a juvenile detention center until she's 18. That's 212 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:01,320 what we're hoping for. 213 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,760 Three years? 214 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:07,080 Baby lasts a lot longer than that. She made out good. 215 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:10,960 Yeah. 216 00:13:20,780 --> 00:13:25,280 We tested the wine. The results indicated there were remnants of Viagra 217 00:13:25,460 --> 00:13:28,440 And what, if any, conclusions did you draw from this detective? 218 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,120 That the Viagra had been ground up and put into the wine. 219 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,300 Her previous husband, Mr. Carter, died of an insulin overdose. 220 00:13:36,300 --> 00:13:39,520 Accidental? There was evidence to support that he was killed by the 221 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,600 who was still married to him at the time. 222 00:13:41,820 --> 00:13:42,820 What evidence? 223 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:48,260 He was a diabetic. He gave himself insulin injections daily and had been 224 00:13:48,260 --> 00:13:49,260 years without incident. 225 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:51,650 And here we had a massive overdose. 226 00:13:51,970 --> 00:13:54,710 It was hard for us to believe that he could have made such a huge mistake. 227 00:13:55,810 --> 00:13:58,650 Latent fingerprints on the syringe matched the defendant. 228 00:13:59,030 --> 00:14:01,870 She inherited under the will, which gave financial motive. 229 00:14:02,570 --> 00:14:05,230 You never charged Mrs. Hanson with Mr. Carter's death? 230 00:14:05,530 --> 00:14:07,770 No, we were never able to collect enough evidence. 231 00:14:08,190 --> 00:14:11,910 In fact, the truth is, you had no evidence, other than your suspicion. 232 00:14:12,110 --> 00:14:13,110 Isn't that right, Detective? 233 00:14:13,190 --> 00:14:14,430 Her prints were on the syringe. 234 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:16,970 She could have handed him the syringe like she said. 235 00:14:17,730 --> 00:14:18,730 Possible. 236 00:14:21,370 --> 00:14:23,030 Possible. We're missing something. 237 00:14:23,450 --> 00:14:24,450 Why? 238 00:14:24,730 --> 00:14:30,450 Their case is lousy. It's all circumstantial innuendo. Marsha Scott is 239 00:14:30,450 --> 00:14:32,850 DA and she hasn't put anything on the table. 240 00:14:34,030 --> 00:14:35,150 We're missing something. 241 00:14:38,370 --> 00:14:39,370 Courtney. 242 00:14:41,510 --> 00:14:42,510 Are we? 243 00:14:42,910 --> 00:14:45,670 No. I mean... What's your son gonna say? 244 00:14:45,930 --> 00:14:47,210 Just what we talked about. 245 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:51,220 But he's had an agenda from the beginning. He never even wanted me to 246 00:14:51,220 --> 00:14:52,260 father in the first place. 247 00:14:52,860 --> 00:14:53,860 Why? 248 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,940 He was afraid I'd kill him. 249 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:59,640 Because of all the suspicion around my previous husband's death. 250 00:15:00,740 --> 00:15:05,000 Well, they must think he's some kind of witness because they're resting on his 251 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 testimony. 252 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:08,660 We're missing something. 253 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,940 They could rest by midday tomorrow, so let's go over your testimony. 254 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:14,560 I go first? 255 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,180 You're first and last. You're all we have. 256 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:25,860 How'd it go? 257 00:15:26,540 --> 00:15:27,540 All right. 258 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:28,880 Did you tell her mother? 259 00:15:29,340 --> 00:15:32,760 Yeah, you know what she said? Three years, not so bad. A baby lasts longer 260 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,760 three years. 261 00:15:35,740 --> 00:15:38,260 Eleanor, Helen told her she could leave. 262 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,600 She also told Jenny about her own abortion and how she needed to talk 263 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,880 I think she was tricked into that confession. 264 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,640 She told you she had an abortion? 265 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,500 Yes. And what else? 266 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,020 Just how hard it was for her and how she made it worth by keeping it all inside. 267 00:15:58,580 --> 00:16:03,580 She said it would be better for me to tell her and that if I did, she'd make 268 00:16:03,580 --> 00:16:04,640 sure I could leave jail. 269 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:05,899 What else? 270 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:09,700 She just kept saying how, you know, she understood how I would want to make the 271 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:10,700 baby go away. 272 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:12,600 And... 273 00:16:12,910 --> 00:16:16,770 How my life... I thought she'd help me. 274 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:20,490 She never said I'd be convicted of murder. 275 00:16:21,810 --> 00:16:23,090 She never said that. 276 00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:36,030 My first husband? 277 00:16:36,610 --> 00:16:37,710 How is he relevant? 278 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:39,950 Well, we have to cover the old thing. 279 00:16:40,730 --> 00:16:42,070 All your husbands were. 280 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,180 Years older. It's a question the jury will be asking, and I'd like to answer 281 00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:52,280 It's not something I really want to get into on the witness stand in front of a 282 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:53,280 room full of reporters. 283 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:57,340 Well, get into it now, and I'll decide whether it's useful or not. 284 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,359 I, uh... began to develop when I was 11. 285 00:17:07,460 --> 00:17:10,660 My older brother's friends were copping fields by the time I was 12. 286 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:13,579 When I was 15, college guys were hitting on me. 287 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,319 Even now, your colleague, Mr. Berluti. 288 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:19,220 And even you. 289 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Have your thoughts. 290 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,579 Me? What have I done? 291 00:17:27,900 --> 00:17:34,560 Get beside the point. The point is, I've been on my guard with men my whole 292 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,560 life. 293 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,240 The only man I ever felt safe with growing up was my dad. 294 00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:48,110 So, I suppose on some level, my attraction to older men is 295 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:53,030 more about... I'm being drawn to the safety of... 296 00:17:53,030 --> 00:17:56,930 I don't know. 297 00:17:57,610 --> 00:18:02,430 I hope that you don't feel that I've been... You've been nothing but totally 298 00:18:02,430 --> 00:18:03,430 professional. 299 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:06,430 But I know when a man's attracted to me. 300 00:18:07,450 --> 00:18:09,210 Sometimes even before he does. 301 00:18:14,159 --> 00:18:16,780 Your Honor, you didn't tell her? I don't want her prepared. 302 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,720 3 -2 -6 -2 -2, Commonwealth versus Jennifer Holbrook, murder in the first 303 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,720 degree. 304 00:18:21,900 --> 00:18:25,980 Your Honor, both parties offer joint recommendation as discussed in 305 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,780 I'm sure Miss Holbrook... Actually, Your Honor, defense rescinds its agreement 306 00:18:28,780 --> 00:18:31,740 on the plea and instead brings a motion to suppress Miss Holbrook's confession. 307 00:18:32,270 --> 00:18:33,450 Eleanor. On what grounds? 308 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:37,510 My client's statement was a result of coercion. It was also obtained in 309 00:18:37,510 --> 00:18:40,730 violation of her Fifth Amendment rights. What are you talking about? Miranda, my 310 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:44,250 client didn't understand. She was read her rights twice. And then she was 311 00:18:44,250 --> 00:18:46,030 basically unread them, Helen. What? 312 00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:47,890 What's going on here? Ms. 313 00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:51,490 Gamble told my client that if she gave a statement, she would get to leave. 314 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:55,710 Basically, Your Honor, where Miranda says anything you say may be used 315 00:18:55,710 --> 00:19:00,110 you, Ms. Gamble told her anything you say may be used to help you. 316 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,860 Miss Holbrook is 15 years old, still in the throes of a pretty big emotional 317 00:19:03,860 --> 00:19:07,900 wallop, and she believes the promises that Miss Gamble made. Oh, come on. 318 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:09,160 Have you ever had an abortion? 319 00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:14,880 She talked to my client about her very own abortion in order to get Jenny to 320 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:18,360 admit that she killed her unborn child. The only thing that matters for the 321 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:22,240 purpose of a confession is was the suspect read her rights and did she make 322 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,240 statement voluntarily. 323 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:28,230 She was. She did. And I contend she was confused in respect to her rights, 324 00:19:28,250 --> 00:19:31,390 deliberately confused, and that the statement was not voluntary. 325 00:19:31,690 --> 00:19:32,690 All right. 326 00:19:34,550 --> 00:19:37,090 I'd like to see Ms. Harbrook and Chambers, please. 327 00:19:37,330 --> 00:19:38,330 Excuse me? 328 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:41,890 Is there a problem with me asking a few questions, counsel? 329 00:19:44,670 --> 00:19:48,010 Nice ambush, Eleanor. You know, don't talk to me about ambush, Helen. You used 330 00:19:48,010 --> 00:19:51,850 me. I did no such thing. You figured I'd be less inclined to doubt your motives 331 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:55,190 and I don't like it. My motive was to help that girl. And what was it when you 332 00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:58,210 went into that room to interrogate her? To get her statement. Having got a 333 00:19:58,210 --> 00:20:02,210 confession, I did have compassion for her. That is why I came to you. I don't 334 00:20:02,210 --> 00:20:05,770 know how in good conscience you can trick a 15 -year -old. Your client is a 335 00:20:05,770 --> 00:20:06,770 murderer, Eleanor. 336 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:08,370 You're angry. I understand. 337 00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:10,330 But don't appeal to me unconscious. 338 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,160 I was suspicious of her from the very beginning. 339 00:20:16,820 --> 00:20:17,820 Why was that? 340 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,740 My father was in his 70s. 341 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,700 Frail. He wasn't what anybody would call attractive. 342 00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:25,580 Nor was he at all charming. 343 00:20:26,020 --> 00:20:27,380 And she falls in love with him? 344 00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:31,160 Did your father ever talk to you about his relationship with the defendant? 345 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:32,980 Sometimes. 346 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,960 Specifically, what did he talk about? 347 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,680 Specifically, sex. 348 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,780 He said she was insatiable. 349 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,860 He once said that... Objection, hearsay. Did he ever seem upset when he spoke of 350 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:46,060 sex? Once he was very excited, yes. 351 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:47,480 What did he say then? 352 00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:51,080 Objection. Excited utterance, exception to the hearsay rule. And he just 353 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,960 happened to use that word excited. This witness has been coached. I object to 354 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:55,960 that. All right. 355 00:20:57,140 --> 00:21:01,620 Mr. Donald, your objection is overruled. Please sit. The witness may answer the 356 00:21:01,620 --> 00:21:04,840 question. What did your father tell you, Mr. Hanson? 357 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:08,220 He said she would make love so physically sometimes. 358 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:10,640 It was violent. 359 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,500 Almost sadistic. 360 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,920 He wondered whether she was trying to give him a heart attack. 361 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:18,460 What else, sir? 362 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,600 He said she'd taunt him during sex. 363 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,580 Taunt him to go harder. 364 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,760 Like some weird psychological punishment. 365 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,740 I have nothing further, Your Honor. 366 00:21:38,830 --> 00:21:43,270 Did she say, I'm going to put Viagra in his wine and then make love to him till 367 00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:46,870 he suffers a coronary? Because that would be good testimony, Mr. Hanson. 368 00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:47,970 you should have her say that. 369 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:49,390 Objection. Withdrawal. 370 00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:52,350 Did your father feel his life was in danger? 371 00:21:52,770 --> 00:21:54,070 Well, I think a little he did. 372 00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:55,490 Did you take him seriously? 373 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:59,830 Yes. Did you notify the police, talk to my client, express your concern? 374 00:22:00,570 --> 00:22:02,390 No. So you weren't concerned. 375 00:22:02,730 --> 00:22:05,230 You took the danger seriously, but he didn't concern you. 376 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:08,110 What was I supposed to do? Go to the police and say... 377 00:22:08,380 --> 00:22:12,100 Hey, I think my stepmother is trying to intercourse my father to death. 378 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,600 If you were concerned, yes. 379 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,960 Tell me, Mr. Hanson, if my client is convicted of murder and becomes 380 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,320 disqualified from the inheritance, who then takes under the will? 381 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,780 That would be me. That would be you. Do you think I'm sitting in this chair 382 00:22:27,780 --> 00:22:28,780 today because of money? 383 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,000 That's exactly what I think. I think you're a liar. 384 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,100 Objection. I think your testimony was false. 385 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,320 Calculated. Objection. Are you lying to get your father's money? Counsel. 386 00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:39,960 It's just a little too damn convenient for me. I'm sorry. My client is being 387 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,040 charged with murder for inducing a heart attack, and you get up here and say, 388 00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:47,020 gee, my father told me he was afraid she'd give him a heart attack, when you 389 00:22:47,020 --> 00:22:50,800 never said that to anybody before, Mr. Hanson. And you remember to add he was 390 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,480 excited when he said it to get around the hearsay rule. 391 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:57,010 Well, probably at the district attorney's coaching. Objection! It's 392 00:22:57,010 --> 00:23:01,170 little too convenient. He's badgering. Damn right I am. I badger life. Mr. 393 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:02,270 Young, that's enough. 394 00:23:03,090 --> 00:23:05,090 You said she makes love in a violent way. 395 00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:10,110 That's what he said. What's violent to a 70 -year -old man? I don't know. Well, 396 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:11,110 did you ask? 397 00:23:12,130 --> 00:23:15,410 Your father says violent. You don't follow that up and say, Dad, what do you 398 00:23:15,410 --> 00:23:16,950 mean? I wish I had. 399 00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:18,270 You said she talks. 400 00:23:18,850 --> 00:23:19,850 She's sadistic. 401 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:23,850 She pathologically punishes him, and you don't even go to her and say what's 402 00:23:23,850 --> 00:23:24,709 going on? 403 00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:26,590 What kind of caring son are you? 404 00:23:26,790 --> 00:23:29,790 Maybe I should have done that. Do you know what perjury is, Craig? Objection! 405 00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:31,650 You're under oath here, Mr. Young! 406 00:23:37,030 --> 00:23:38,030 I'm done. 407 00:23:48,430 --> 00:23:51,060 And since... You know, she was an attorney. 408 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,920 I thought... I thought she would make it so I could leave. 409 00:23:56,700 --> 00:24:01,920 But when you signed this statement... She said that if I told them exactly 410 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,840 happened, it would be better for me by not keeping stuff inside. 411 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,400 And I... She told you she had an abortion? 412 00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:15,960 Yes. And how terrible it was for her that she kept stuff buried inside and... 413 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,060 You lied to me. 414 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,120 I trusted you and you lied to me. All right, Jenny. 415 00:24:23,700 --> 00:24:29,020 The detective told you, did they not, that the things you said could be used 416 00:24:29,020 --> 00:24:31,060 against you in a court of law? 417 00:24:31,940 --> 00:24:32,940 Yes. 418 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,300 But then she came in and she's an attorney and she said they wouldn't be. 419 00:24:42,420 --> 00:24:43,420 Jenny, 420 00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:45,259 I think... 421 00:24:45,260 --> 00:24:47,040 I'd like you to wait outside for a minute. 422 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:52,660 Keep her here, please. 423 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,300 Aren't we resourceful? 424 00:25:01,100 --> 00:25:04,280 None of her civil rights were violated. Did you have an abortion? 425 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,080 No. 426 00:25:08,260 --> 00:25:11,300 Tricks are used in interrogations all the time. This was a lie. 427 00:25:11,740 --> 00:25:12,740 Lies, too. 428 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,260 There's nothing unconstitutional about lying to a suspect so long as they 429 00:25:18,260 --> 00:25:20,680 understand their rights, which he did. 430 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,820 I disagree with that. She didn't understand her rights. Oh, come on. 431 00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:28,240 can all try to get inside this girl's head, but that's not the way it goes. 432 00:25:28,740 --> 00:25:32,680 We have constitutional do's and don'ts. We didn't commit any of the don'ts. 433 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,120 The statement is valid and admissible. 434 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,400 That's my decision. 435 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,500 I'm going to think about it. 436 00:25:44,210 --> 00:25:46,110 We'll reconvene at 2 o 'clock. 437 00:25:48,410 --> 00:25:49,630 May I say something? 438 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:53,210 You're all thinking about Jenny Holbrook. 439 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:56,470 I wasn't called in to talk to Jenny Holbrook. 440 00:25:57,030 --> 00:25:59,870 I was brought down to question a murder suspect. 441 00:26:00,090 --> 00:26:04,150 A suspect who killed a baby. A suspect who wouldn't talk to the police. 442 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:09,110 Now, the morality of how I tricked her has no relevance. 443 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:12,750 This isn't a moral arena. It is a legal one. 444 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:17,720 And everything I did was legal. And she has this backstory and a fragile 445 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,120 personality and an abusive mother. It all seems just so awful now. 446 00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:24,020 Here's a flash. 447 00:26:24,300 --> 00:26:25,780 Killers don't like to talk. 448 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,420 It's not easy getting these confessions. 449 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,900 Tag a bunch of moral strings now on top of the constitutional ones. We will 450 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:35,120 never get anybody. 451 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,460 He brought the Viagra. 452 00:26:50,660 --> 00:26:51,960 Your husband did? Yes. 453 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,860 Did he say where he had gotten it? 454 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:56,260 No. And then you put it in the wine? 455 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:02,240 Yes. He had 50 milligrams, one pill, and while we were talking about the fact 456 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,960 that it was now being reported that women got benefits from taking it too, 457 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:10,240 more for a laugh than anything else, we ground up the pill and we sprinkled it 458 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,240 into our wine. 459 00:27:11,420 --> 00:27:12,420 And then? 460 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,000 After dinner, we watched some television, then we went to bed, and we 461 00:27:18,510 --> 00:27:20,370 And the effects of the Viagra. 462 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:23,750 Well, it definitely works. 463 00:27:24,470 --> 00:27:28,030 And at some point... Jerry grabbed his chest. 464 00:27:29,010 --> 00:27:30,590 He was having a heart attack. 465 00:27:31,530 --> 00:27:38,490 I called 911, performed CPR, but by the time the paramedics got there, he 466 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:39,490 was gone. 467 00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:44,450 There's been testimony that you were extremely physical. 468 00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:48,590 And that you taunted... That's completely false. Craig Hansen was 469 00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:52,790 His father never said those things to him. Our lovemaking was never very 470 00:27:52,790 --> 00:27:55,310 physical. It was certainly not violent. 471 00:27:55,550 --> 00:28:00,010 My husband had a heart condition, and we were always mindful of it. Both of us. 472 00:28:00,910 --> 00:28:03,090 You say your husband brought the Viagra? 473 00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:04,449 That's right. 474 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:06,670 Did you ever get Viagra from your doctor? 475 00:28:07,110 --> 00:28:10,910 No. Ever talk to her about the virtues of Viagra for women? 476 00:28:11,230 --> 00:28:12,890 Well, yes, we had discussed that. 477 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,440 Okay. I have nothing further, Your Honor. 478 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,040 Counsel. 479 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,860 The witness may step down. 480 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:27,060 Mr. Donald. 481 00:28:28,820 --> 00:28:33,200 The defense rests, Your Honor. The Commonwealth calls one rebuttal witness, 482 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,440 Gail Parent. 483 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:38,420 Who is it? 484 00:28:39,180 --> 00:28:40,180 She's my doctor. 485 00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:45,700 Defense objects, Your Honor. Sidebar. 486 00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:53,660 This is my client's own doctor. 487 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:55,800 What's your offer of proof? 488 00:28:56,020 --> 00:29:00,120 She's prepared to testify she gave the defendant Viagra samples two days before 489 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,120 Jerry Hansen died. 490 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,270 It's... Privileged doctor, patient relationship. She waived privilege. She 491 00:29:15,270 --> 00:29:18,810 opened the door. How? During her testimony. She had the right to assert 492 00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:21,770 privilege. She didn't. She talked about her doctor when I asked her. That is so 493 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:26,410 bogus. You can't selectively assert privilege, Your Honor. The woman did 494 00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:28,610 questions about things she discussed with her physician. 495 00:29:28,910 --> 00:29:31,110 I'm going to allow it. You've got to be kidding me. 496 00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:32,530 She opened the door. 497 00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:39,530 I knew we were missing something. 498 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:40,870 That was their ace. 499 00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:48,750 You got the Viagra from your own doctor? 500 00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:54,670 I was afraid of how it would look if... People would think that I secretly put 501 00:29:54,670 --> 00:29:55,569 it in his wine. 502 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:56,209 Did you? 503 00:29:56,210 --> 00:30:00,090 No. It happened exactly as I said. It didn't happen as you said. 504 00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:03,070 You got the Viagra and now they caught you in a lie. 505 00:30:03,290 --> 00:30:06,850 Our whole case was your testimony, your credibility, and now it's shot. 506 00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:09,250 Don't yell at me. You lied to us, Courtney. 507 00:30:09,490 --> 00:30:11,810 I didn't kill him. We were making love. 508 00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:14,190 I didn't kill him. Well, that's how it looks. 509 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:26,530 After your doctor testifies, you have to get back up there and explain to the 510 00:30:26,530 --> 00:30:28,590 jury why you lied. 511 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:32,610 And I hope you're good. 512 00:30:42,590 --> 00:30:44,910 I was just so afraid of how it would look. 513 00:30:45,270 --> 00:30:49,510 Everybody thinks that I killed my last husband. I was afraid if they knew that 514 00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:51,250 was the one who procured the Viagra... 515 00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:53,650 So you lied. 516 00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:55,110 Yes. 517 00:30:55,390 --> 00:30:58,910 But we both agreed to put it into the wine. 518 00:31:00,890 --> 00:31:04,130 Courtney, why should the jury believe you now? 519 00:31:04,550 --> 00:31:06,050 I don't have an answer to that. 520 00:31:07,270 --> 00:31:11,970 Why should anybody believe that I could fall in love with an older man? But I 521 00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:12,970 did. 522 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:17,310 I did. 523 00:31:20,250 --> 00:31:21,470 Let's talk about that. 524 00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:24,860 You've fallen in love with three older men. 525 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,260 For whatever reason, I've found safety in older men. 526 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,980 They're not as predatory, I suppose. 527 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,820 I was telling Mr. Donald that it probably goes to the safety that I found 528 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:36,820 my own father. 529 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,800 You felt safe with your dad? 530 00:31:42,660 --> 00:31:47,780 Your dad died serving time in Carteret Prison in New Jersey, didn't he? 531 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,020 He was convicted of raping you when you were nine years old. 532 00:31:56,300 --> 00:31:57,720 He was wrongly convicted. 533 00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:00,660 It never happened. 534 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,520 Your mother and your sister walked in on it. 535 00:32:06,060 --> 00:32:08,560 Mrs. Hanson, it never happened. 536 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,140 Your Honor, could I have time to confer with my client? 537 00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:12,540 No, you may not. 538 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:18,620 You don't find safety with these older men, do you, Mrs. Hanson? You find your 539 00:32:18,620 --> 00:32:20,020 anger, your hatred. 540 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,880 He was wrongly convicted. 541 00:32:25,140 --> 00:32:26,420 It never happened. 542 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,440 So, Courtney, any other surprises? 543 00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:54,610 Never happened. 544 00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:14,910 Be seated. 545 00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:22,470 Well, Miss Gamble, you're completely right. There is nothing illegal or 546 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:27,980 unconscious. about deceiving suspects into giving statements. It's done all 547 00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:34,060 time. But still, I can't help but think that somehow we've lost our way. 548 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,380 The whole point of our constitutional safeguards is to protect the suspects 549 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:41,620 against police misconduct. 550 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:46,320 Maybe you wanted the letter of the law here, but the spirit of it took a 551 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320 beating. 552 00:33:48,620 --> 00:33:52,940 The defense counsel's argument that a Mirandized suspect was in effect de 553 00:33:52,940 --> 00:33:55,260 -Mirandized is a valid one. 554 00:33:56,180 --> 00:33:57,180 She's 15. 555 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,560 By the time you got through with her, she believed she'd help herself by 556 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:06,680 talking. It doesn't make sense that you can read somebody her rights so she'll 557 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,639 understand, only then to deliberately confuse her and smile with a 558 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:12,739 constitutional wink. 559 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:18,100 It would seem that the players in our system could at least act in good. 560 00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:28,639 But as a judge, I'm bound by precedent, and trickery still 561 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,139 survives any constitutional challenge. 562 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,239 I suppose Ms. Gamble said it best. 563 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,120 This is a legal arena, not a moral one. 564 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,340 The statement is allowed. 565 00:34:43,620 --> 00:34:47,699 We'll conference next Tuesday at 9 o 'clock to set a trial date. 566 00:34:48,060 --> 00:34:49,060 adjourned. 567 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,540 Well, there's certainly been a few surprises here today. 568 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:27,220 And watching Courtney Hanson on the stand, maybe she's got some denial 569 00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:29,120 about what happened to her as a child. 570 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,280 Maybe it didn't really happen. 571 00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:36,080 Obviously, the prosecution wants you to believe that she's acting out her anger 572 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,240 against these older men she married. It's a theory. 573 00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:42,400 But at the end of the day, that's all they have. 574 00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:47,440 Suspicion, jealousy, innuendo, theory. 575 00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:52,450 There is no evidence to establish that you purposely caused Jerry Hansen to 576 00:35:52,450 --> 00:35:53,450 a heart attack. 577 00:35:53,610 --> 00:35:54,850 Suspicion? Yes. 578 00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:56,850 But evidence? 579 00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:58,690 What is it? 580 00:35:59,870 --> 00:36:06,210 Jerry Hansen told his son he was afraid the 581 00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:10,250 way she pushed him during intercourse. 582 00:36:11,130 --> 00:36:16,510 And yes, we can consider the way her previous husband died because it's a 583 00:36:16,510 --> 00:36:17,510 pattern. 584 00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:22,790 Rich old men, death, she inherits. 585 00:36:23,110 --> 00:36:26,610 If his father said he felt danger, why did this loving son do nothing? 586 00:36:26,850 --> 00:36:29,170 If she gets convicted, he inherits everything. 587 00:36:30,210 --> 00:36:34,570 Why is this loving son suddenly making noise as the will goes to probate? 588 00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:39,270 She ground up that Viagra so he wouldn't detect it. Come on. 589 00:36:39,490 --> 00:36:45,490 A man with a weak heart, two bypasses, she has intercourse for over an hour? 590 00:36:46,290 --> 00:36:51,010 If that... isn't reckless disregard, then what is? 591 00:36:51,390 --> 00:36:56,570 A man with a weak heart, prone to pushing too hard, has a coronary. 592 00:36:56,570 --> 00:36:57,570 charging murder. 593 00:36:57,650 --> 00:37:02,530 That's out there to begin with. To prove it, you better have some pretty strong 594 00:37:02,530 --> 00:37:05,530 evidence. They don't have any. 595 00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,930 They're asking you to convict with suspicion. 596 00:37:09,790 --> 00:37:11,610 Why did she lie? 597 00:37:12,620 --> 00:37:17,420 If she's innocent, why didn't she just take that stand and tell us the truth? 598 00:37:18,060 --> 00:37:21,360 But she didn't do that, did she? She lied. 599 00:37:22,540 --> 00:37:25,180 Afraid you might get the right idea. 600 00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:44,650 Murder, too? 601 00:37:44,890 --> 00:37:45,890 Chance of parole. 602 00:37:46,750 --> 00:37:51,350 If you get convicted of first degree, you go away forever. 603 00:37:55,190 --> 00:37:56,650 Do you think I'll be convicted? 604 00:37:57,490 --> 00:38:02,410 Strictly on the evidence, you shouldn't be, but I'm not so sure the jury won't 605 00:38:02,410 --> 00:38:03,410 look beyond the evidence. 606 00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:06,950 The insulin OD of your last husband, that'll hurt. 607 00:38:07,610 --> 00:38:08,850 You lying on the stand. 608 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:16,660 I didn't do it. 609 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,280 26 minutes. 610 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,020 They have a verdict? 611 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:27,640 What does that mean? 612 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:31,660 In this case, I have no idea. They could have easily said no evidence, or they 613 00:38:31,660 --> 00:38:35,300 could have just quickly concluded that you're guilty. I have no idea. 614 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:40,540 Well, if we're going to take the deal... Courtney... 615 00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:43,840 It's your call. 616 00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:49,430 I'll take my chances. 617 00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:11,330 Courtney, the jury's not looking over. 618 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,120 on the table. 619 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360 I hate to rush you. 620 00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:50,780 Okay. 621 00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:52,180 Your Honor. 622 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,000 We've reached a plea. 623 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,140 Murder in the second degree. It's too late. The jury's returned its verdict. 624 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:11,320 It's not too late. The verdict hasn't been entered. We are about to enter it, 625 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,940 Captain. It's not entered. We have a right to reach a plea. 626 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:17,460 I'll file an interlocutory appeal. We'll go upstairs and we'll argue it. 627 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,060 You really want to do this? We're fine with it. It'll spare us an appeal. 628 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,020 I don't like these last -minute stunts, Mr. Donald. It's not a stunt. 629 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:28,940 It's a legitimate plea agreement. 630 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,800 Mrs. Hanson. 631 00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:40,480 Do you agree to plead guilty to murder in the second degree? 632 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:43,320 I do, Your Honor. 633 00:40:44,620 --> 00:40:45,620 So entered. 634 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,340 Members of the jury, thank you for your service. This matter is adjourned. 635 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,040 Sentencing, 2 o 'clock Friday. 636 00:40:53,780 --> 00:40:59,100 Mr. Donald, I'm not big on passing notes in class, but you can keep this. 637 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:36,660 I think we did the right thing. 638 00:41:41,420 --> 00:41:45,300 I'll be in. We need... We need to talk before sentencing. 639 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,660 I think we did the right thing. 53175

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