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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:26,080 "(RADIO CRACKLES)" 4 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,000 "..English Channel, from Hampshire to Cornwall." 5 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,280 "Winds will be west to southwest, 6 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:32,800 moderate or fresh, 7 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,760 increasing later in the day and becoming fresh or strong." 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,760 "Fair weather at first, but showers will spread in later tomorrow, 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,120 but visibility will remain mainly good." 10 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,960 "In western areas, from Cornwall to Cumberland, 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,960 winds will be southwest to west, fresh or strong, 12 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,560 with occasional showers 13 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,200 and mostly good visibility." 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,480 "Now weather reports from coastal stations for 22:00 hours." 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,960 "Accrington, south-southeast, poor, intermittent slight rain, 16 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,000 2.5 nautical miles." 17 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,560 "Ronaldsway, southwest, 18 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,880 fine, 13 nautical miles." 19 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,960 "And that's the end of the forecast for coastal waters." 20 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:24,160 "The time is just now 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,600 10 minutes to 12." (PHONE RINGS) 22 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:13,200 "Perhaps what one wants to say is formed in childhood, 23 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,280 and the rest of one's life is spent trying to say it." 24 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:22,080 "I know that all I felt during the early years of my life in Yorkshire 25 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,400 is dynamic and constant in my life today." 26 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,120 Hepworth famously said, 27 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,360 "What one wants to say is formed in childhood 28 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,080 and one spends all of one's life trying to say it," 29 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,160 and her childhood was spent in Yorkshire. 30 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,360 I mean, what we know about Hepworth's childhood 31 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,720 and how she came to be a sculptor really comes from her 32 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,720 when she was writing in the 1950s. 33 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:49,200 She tells the story of, she came from quite a well-to-do background, 34 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,320 her father was the local alderman and so on, erm, 35 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,400 but she talks about driving through the landscape with him 36 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,800 and the experience of the Yorkshire landscape. 37 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,480 "All my early memories 38 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,960 are of forms and shapes and textures." 39 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,760 "Moving through and over the West Riding landscape 40 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,360 with my father, in his car, 41 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,640 the hills were sculptures, the roads defined the forms." 42 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,960 "This sensation has never left me." 43 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,560 "I, the sculptor, am the landscape." 44 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,120 "I am the form and I am the hollow, 45 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,280 the thrust and the contour." 46 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,320 I felt a real connection. 47 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,000 Our family moved 48 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,800 just outside Leeds for a while 49 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,440 and, erm, we used to ramble over the Moors 50 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,440 and follow streams up to their sources 51 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,600 and climb on those rocks and feel them. 52 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,360 And when you're happy as a small child, 53 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,560 these things go quite deep and they stay with you. 54 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,680 (ELEANOR CLAYTON)The family spent their summers in Robin Hood's Bay, 55 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:02,960 so she had the sort of mixture of the sort of industrial landscape, 56 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,280 but also the coastal landscape 57 00:06:05,280 --> 00:06:07,960 was always something that was there from her early days. 58 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,720 And so all of these things kind of built into her theory 59 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,840 or sort of philosophy of the figure in the landscape, 60 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:40,000 you know, the human relationship to our surroundings 61 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,400 in all these different ways. 62 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:43,800 And I think that's something that, erm, 63 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,440 stayed with her throughout her career. 64 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:52,240 She also remembered the experience of being introduced to sculpture, 65 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:54,400 I think through a slideshow when she was at school 66 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 and seeing, you know, Ancient Egyptian sculptures. 67 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:01,400 She specifically mentions sort of having that inspiration. 68 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,600 I mean, I think it's worth thinking about 69 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,160 how unusual it would be 70 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,400 for a young, middle-class girl in Wakefield 71 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,320 to have an ambition to be a sculptor. 72 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,600 For a young girl to have an ambition to be a sculptor 73 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,320 in the early 20th century is pretty extraordinary. 74 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,720 There aren't many early works that exist, 75 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,520 but the early works that do exist are mostly drawings, 76 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:31,240 and I think that's also indicative of her pathway into arts education 77 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,720 because, erm, it was the drawing scholarship 78 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,960 that got her into Leeds School of Art, 79 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,160 and when she was at Leeds School of Art, 80 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,600 your kind of artistic prowess was largely based on your craftsmanship, 81 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,800 so the drawing master there, someone called WB Pearson, 82 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,280 knew what his students had to do 83 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,720 in order to get the scholarships down to the Royal College of Art 84 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,520 and he drilled them meticulously. 85 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,000 I think it was really when she moved to the Royal College 86 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,120 that she began making sculpture in earnest 87 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,200 and she said that she came down there on a drawing scholarship 88 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,520 and said, when she started, that she wanted to do sculpture 89 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,960 and so they asked her to model a bust, which she did, 90 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,400 and then they said, "OK, you can go on the course." 91 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,880 One of the key things to remember 92 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,320 is that the teaching of sculpture was still very traditional. 93 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,000 Modern sculpture, as we understand it, as she would develop it, 94 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,520 was happening, it wasn't in the art schools. 95 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,800 You know, someone like her would be learning how to, you know, 96 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,000 build up a plaster image around an armature, 97 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,520 to be cast in bronze by someone else, 98 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,720 but the forms are very traditional. 99 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,320 There is no sense that modernism 100 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,400 and modern style of sculpture was being taught, 101 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:14,920 so traditional skills, 102 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,000 particularly around modelling plaster and clay, 103 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,000 were not at all about carving. 104 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,720 Direct carving was already something 105 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,720 that was happening in Avant-garde circles, 106 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,880 but it wasn't really something that was being taught in art schools, 107 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,760 even somewhere like the Royal College. 108 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,160 So Hepworth did remember that, actually, 109 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,400 she was taught more at the Royal College by the common room 110 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,760 than the studio. 111 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,520 "The real value of an art school 112 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,120 lies in the opportunity it gives to the student 113 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,920 to work with his contemporaries." 114 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,400 "Tuition should be offered rather than administered 115 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,960 so that every student can exercise 116 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,600 and strengthen his sense of discovery." 117 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,800 She also remembered her and her fellow students 118 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,360 who'd come down from Leeds, so at Leeds School she met Henry Moore, 119 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,720 but also Raymond Coxon and Edna Ginesi, 120 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,320 and the three of them came down to London together. 121 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,280 They were known as 'the Leeds table'. 122 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,800 And they would go over to Paris together, as well. 123 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,600 One of them said at some point that it was cheaper, or easier, 124 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:22,320 to get a ticket to go to Paris than it was to go back home to Yorkshire, 125 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,040 which I'm sure was a great line to say to your parents, 126 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,280 but they did do these trips over to Paris 127 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,600 and they get more of a sense 128 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:34,240 of what contemporary artists were doing. 129 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:38,800 So when she was a student, 130 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:42,680 she went to stay with her cousins in Saffron Walden, 131 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:45,440 and her uncle, Arthur, was a GP, 132 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,000 and she made this relief of Jill and Peggy, her cousins, 133 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,000 which she carved into plaster, 134 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,520 that we think was probably plaster used from her uncle's GP surgery 135 00:10:55,520 --> 00:11:00,080 that he would've used to cast up his broken bones of his patients. 136 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:09,480 Hepworth graduated from the Royal College 137 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,480 and immediately started working towards the Prix de Rome, 138 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,840 which was a prize that would give the winner 139 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,040 lodgings in Rome and a stipend 140 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,840 to basically study there and make work. 141 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,400 She didn't win the Prix de Rome, she was the runner-up, 142 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,760 but she did get a travel grant from West Riding, 143 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,040 the county that she grew up in, 144 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,040 so she was able to go and travel. 145 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:37,400 And then she met John Skeaping, who had won the Prix de Rome, 146 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:41,720 that she had come so close to winning and was based now in Rome, 147 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,400 and they travelled across sort of Tuscany together 148 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,000 and fell in love 149 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:52,520 and, er, eventually married in 1925. 150 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,520 It was a great stroke of luck, in a way, that she manages to go to Italy 151 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,320 and it's there that she starts developing a new form of sculpture 152 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,720 and I think she and Skeaping both learned to carve 153 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,080 with a local Italian technician. 154 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,680 Of course, there's a certain kind of kudos about that, 155 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:13,360 that, you know, Italy is one of the sort of crucibles 156 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,720 of the great sort of sculptural traditions. 157 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,200 One thing she talks about learning in Italy from Giovanni Ardini 158 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:24,960 is this sense of the difference and the qualities of the materials. 159 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,040 From an early age, she's fascinated by different materials 160 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,960 and how they behave differently, different forms of stone, marbles 161 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,200 and different woods, soft and hard, dark and light, and so on. 162 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,000 And I think she tells how he had said, you know, 163 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,560 marble changes colour in the hands of different people. 164 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:46,560 In Italy she would've learned how marble is different from, you know, 165 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:49,800 different parts of the same quarry even. 166 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,600 "At this time, all the carvings were an effort to find a personal accord 167 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,000 with the stones or wood which I was carving." 168 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,640 "I was fascinated by the new problem which arose out of each sculpture, 169 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,520 and by the kind of form that grew out of achieving 170 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,640 a personal harmony with the material." 171 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:15,120 I think the contrast between where she grew up in Wakefield, 172 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,800 you know, a small town, 173 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:19,920 you know, and like all small towns 174 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,440 it would've been laden with coal smoke in the early 20th century, 175 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:25,520 and in Yorkshire 176 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,720 where often the sky feels like it's right down on your head, 177 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:33,400 to then being in the Mediterranean and feeling that light, it's the... 178 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,920 Though, actually, she doesn't travel that extensively through her life, 179 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,120 the Mediterranean is a point she comes back to again and again. 180 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,560 I mean, even later in life, she talks about her work - 181 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,720 her garden even looks sort of Mediterranean - 182 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,600 it's definitely something she comes back to. 183 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,000 And there's a lovely quote, I think, 184 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,400 from David Lewis, who was her secretary in the early '50s, 185 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,640 and he says, "Effectively, she's sculpting light." 186 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:01,640 So Hepworth and Skeaping came back in 1926, 187 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,040 erm, because Skeaping wasn't very well, 188 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,360 so they came back to London and they set up a flat in St John's Wood, 189 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,360 where they had a big studio that stretched out into the garden, 190 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,360 it had a big skylight for natural light 191 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,960 and they built an aviary all down one side, so kept an array of birds. 192 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:21,800 They were both still practising direct carving 193 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,880 and their subjects were largely drawn from the natural world, 194 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,960 so quite figurative but using this kind of 195 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,080 Avant-garde technique of direct carving. 196 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,600 There's an intimacy in some of her smaller works 197 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,600 that I really relate to particularly. 198 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,800 There's something about the scale of that, 199 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,760 something to do with the scale 200 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:53,280 and quiet involvement with your material, 201 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:54,960 something that's your own, 202 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,840 that you're involved with a dialogue with yourself 203 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:03,640 and your, erm, unconscious, on some levels, perhaps. 204 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Initially, they struggled to make ends meet. 205 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,400 Skeaping recalls in his biography 206 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,120 that he would go and busk with a friend of his 207 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,680 outside theatres in London to make money. 208 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,600 What they ended up doing was putting on an exhibition in their flat 209 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,400 and Hepworth said she remembered that it was almost a disaster. 210 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,840 For 14 days, or something like that, no-one came at all. 211 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,000 this big collector who, between them, 212 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,000 purchased several drawings and sculptures 213 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,480 and it just completely saved them. 214 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:38,600 Hepworth became pregnant 215 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,880 and she gave birth to her son, Paul, 216 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,720 in 1929. 217 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:50,040 And she made an incredible sculpture of Paul, called Infant, 218 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,840 which is one of maybe the first examples of seeing Hepworth's life 219 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,960 feeding so directly into her work 220 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,400 and how she's taking all of the experiences she has 221 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,840 and sort of channelling it into the way that she's making her work. 222 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,000 When Hepworth was first living in London, she lived in Chelsea, 223 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,280 which was a traditional artists' quarter, 224 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,800 but she and Skeaping moved to the Mall Studios in Belsize Park, 225 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,800 and there's a gradual movement, I think, 226 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,120 of many artists to the Hampstead area, 227 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,800 where the air was much cleaner. 228 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,760 In the Mall Studios, they're in this row of purpose-built artist studios, 229 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,640 so they're in a community of artists, 230 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,520 Henry Moore's just round the corner. 231 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,800 And then during the 1930s, the whole area becomes 232 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,680 sort of the centre, in a way, 233 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,960 for a kind of international modern arts scene, 234 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,960 as artists move from Europe with the rise of fascism. 235 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,000 In April 1931, 236 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,600 Winifred and Ben Nicholson were exhibiting 237 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,280 as part of the Seven and Five, 238 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,560 and the Seven and Five was a progressive exhibiting society 239 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,080 that had been going on since the early '20s, 240 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,760 and in 1931, Skeaping exhibited with the Seven and Five as a guest. 241 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,880 Having met Ben and Winifred earlier in the year, 242 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,240 when Hepworth and Skeaping were going on holiday to Norfolk 243 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,240 with various other artists, including Moore and Ivon Hitchens, 244 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:17,680 Hepworth invited them to come along with her. 245 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,960 Ben comes along, Winifred stays at home, 246 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,480 and over the course of the holiday 247 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:30,000 Ben and Barbara develop more of a romantic relationship. 248 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,400 I mean, Hepworth coming together with Ben Nicholson 249 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:40,000 is clearly a crucial step in both their lives and in their art. 250 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,240 I think she has as much impact on him as he does on her, 251 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,880 if not more. 252 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,440 But I think there's a coming together of like minds, 253 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,920 to a great extent. 254 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,800 They're both kind of modern thinkers in the broadest sense. 255 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,120 Ben is a follower of Christian science, 256 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:59,720 like his first wife Winifred, 257 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:05,200 so it's a very kind of modern take on Christianity, very unorthodox. 258 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,760 He's also vegetarian, you know, these things which, 259 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,480 at that time in the early '30s, are very kind of out there. 260 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,600 And then you see there's a point 261 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,360 when they're living together in the Mall Studios, 262 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:20,120 when they're clearly making work in dialogue with each other. 263 00:18:20,120 --> 00:18:22,920 For a year or two, it's like a common endeavour. 264 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,320 So in 1934, 265 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,960 Hepworth's work had already become to be more abstract, 266 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,680 or sort of getting more abstract, 267 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,800 particularly, though, in these biomorphic forms 268 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,960 that you could see in things like Seated Figure 269 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,960 and Mother and Child, which was made in 1934. 270 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,960 At this time, she made several of these mother and child, 271 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,400 or like, erm, large and small forms, sort of all in the same theme, 272 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,880 and perhaps this was because she was pregnant. 273 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,520 Over that year, she made several of these works 274 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,520 and then she gave birth in October to triplets. 275 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,200 At this time, there wasn't really a way of telling 276 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,240 that it was going to be triplets, 277 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,520 so they only discovered when they arrived. 278 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:15,760 "It was a tremendously exciting event." 279 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,880 "We were only prepared for one child, 280 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,560 and the arrival of three babies by six o'clock in the morning 281 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,960 meant considerable improvisation for the first few days." 282 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:31,200 "I decided I must do some work each day." 283 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:35,640 "It went on in my head, even when I was doing the chores." 284 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,120 "The result were fewer sculptures 285 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:42,680 but, I believe, more triumphs." 286 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,560 What's interesting is, when she comes back from having the triplets, 287 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:48,360 is her art changes completely. 288 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:52,480 Afterwards, the new style is the very sort of austere, 289 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,280 very pure, formal groupings. 290 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,480 Though in those, she's still developing that theme 291 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,320 of what she calls interrelated masses. 292 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:03,280 It's a sculpture that's about 293 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,600 the way two or three things relate to each other - 294 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,000 the spaces between the forms is as important as the forms. 295 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,000 And I think that's very much a kind of metaphor for human relationships. 296 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,080 In the mid-20th century, 297 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,360 I mean, there were well-known and established women artists, 298 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:24,640 but particularly in Britain in the world of sculpture, 299 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,120 she would've had to be pretty tough and strong, I imagine, 300 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:30,800 to survive that and keep her belief in herself and what she did. 301 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,560 And she did continue to make work, 302 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,000 even when she had four children, young children at one time, 303 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,400 so to be able to then continue to make work as she did 304 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:46,920 and to carve a life out that was... where she able to do that. 305 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,800 I mean, the end of the 1930s for Hepworth, 306 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,000 like all liberal people, was a traumatic experience. 307 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:05,400 They were a generation who, if they hadn't been in the First World War, 308 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,200 had witnessed it 309 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,560 and, you know, had thought that was the war to end all wars. 310 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,480 So the sort of descent into another war in 1939 311 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,600 was really, you know, traumatic psychologically for everyone. 312 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,760 And for Hepworth and her circle, 313 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,280 they had spent the 1930s making art that was, you know, 314 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,400 consciously in defiance of fascism 315 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,800 and all the values, the material values of fascism and Nazism, 316 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,000 so, in a way, all the things they tried to do, 317 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:34,480 the kind of Utopian values, 318 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,760 the internationalist values that those sculptures stood for, 319 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,560 had been kind of, erm, decimated. 320 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,960 And at the same time, they're living with the threat 321 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:46,200 of the bombing of London. 322 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,920 There was a widespread expectation 323 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,800 on the first day of the war that London would be bombed. 324 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,920 Her friend Adrian Stokes believed the city would be destroyed, 325 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,280 so he settled in his house in Cornwall 326 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,680 and invited them down as friends 327 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:03,400 and as, you know, the most important modern artists in Britain. 328 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,800 (INTERMITTENT RADIO BROADCAST) 329 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,160 So in 1939, she'd established a practice 330 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,680 that was very much based on direct carving. 331 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,160 It had become progressively more abstract, 332 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,560 you know, from the mid-1930s. 333 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,360 When she moved to Cornwall, 334 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:14,840 this very sort of ardently abstract work 335 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,720 then becomes kind of influenced by her surroundings. 336 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:23,720 "From late 1938, until war was declared, 337 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,840 it became increasingly difficult to sell a painting or a sculpture 338 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,760 and make a bare living." 339 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,160 "At the most difficult moment of this period, 340 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,920 I did a maquette for the first sculpture with colour, 341 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,040 and when I took the children to Cornwall 342 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,840 five days before war was declared, 343 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,560 I took the maquette with me, 344 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,320 also my hammer and a minimum of stone-carving tools." 345 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,080 So obviously Hepworth made her name initially with direct carving, 346 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,400 carving really, erm, amazing materials, 347 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,640 hard woods often, 348 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,000 and very particular stones, 349 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,960 and these things were just not easy to come by as soon as war hit, 350 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:13,400 and so what she started to do was turn to drawing as an outlet. 351 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,600 The first pictures that Hepworth makes in Cornwall 352 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,520 are really kind of her imagining sculptures in two dimensions, 353 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,720 so the forms you see her drawing, these sort of curving forms 354 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,120 and then a whole series of lines 355 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:30,120 that relate to the strings and sculpture, 356 00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:33,480 and then there's normally a little area of colour, 357 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,720 as if it's in the core of the form that encloses it. 358 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,360 She has a major breakthrough in 1943 when she comes back to carving 359 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:47,280 and she produces this series of small wooden sculptures, 360 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,040 which really establish, I think, her most distinctive vocabulary 361 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040 when she takes what's basically just a log of wood 362 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,120 and hollows it out, pierces it from several sides 363 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,640 to create an inner space 364 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,440 and then paints that inner space, 365 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,120 while leaving the outer surface raw. 366 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:12,040 That contrast really makes you feel that you're looking at a sculpture 367 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,800 where the internal space, the caverns within the wood, 368 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,320 are the thing, rather than the wood itself. 369 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,880 And she talks about those sculptures in terms of her, 370 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,520 how she feels in the landscape, sort of embraced and protected, 371 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,640 which I think, you know, in the middle of war 372 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,760 is a very significant thing. 373 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,360 "I used colour and strings 374 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,840 in many of the carvings of this time." 375 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:41,280 "The colour in the concavities plunged me into the depth of water, 376 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,640 caves, 377 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,600 or shadows deeper than the carved concavities themselves." 378 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:51,840 "The strings were the tension I felt between myself and the sea, 379 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,320 the wind or the hills." 380 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,960 Not a day goes by where I can't go out for a walk. 381 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,760 I like the forces of nature. 382 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,720 I can enjoy it, you know, if you're dressed properly and so on. 383 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,040 And, you know, that... 384 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,840 ..the sort of greatest connection I've got with Barbara Hepworth 385 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,320 is this passion and love of the landscape. 386 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,840 By the late 1940s, 387 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,840 she had been exhibiting sort of through the war 388 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,880 and establishing herself as a kind of leading modern British artist. 389 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,640 It was decided that she should really get a suitable studio 390 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,360 for her developing career. 391 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,800 In the Palais de Danse opposite Trewyn, erm, 392 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,160 was a big auction in 1949 393 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,160 to sell off the outbuildings of the Trewyn estate - 394 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,440 she was still living in Carbis Bay with Nicholson at that time - 395 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,320 but by the end of 1950 it had become her home. 396 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,920 "There's nothing more inspiring to me than the act of creation." 397 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,480 "There must be magic in this country round here - 398 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,800 every smallest sound, the fragrant smells of the wind, 399 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,760 the soil and this lovely sunlight, 400 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,440 the rain, the night, the dawn, 401 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,960 the day of work, and sleep." 402 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,240 In terms of public sculpture, 403 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,120 Hepworth's stuff was in the post-war years, 404 00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,720 because there has been a move 405 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,040 towards something more traditional, more figurative. 406 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240 So when she enters the competition 407 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,920 to make four sculptures for the corners of Waterloo Bridge, 408 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,680 which had been built just before the war, 409 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:44,080 the forms she produces are sort of kind of abstracted reclining figures 410 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,320 because of the shape of the plinths, 411 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:47,920 and it's sort of very telling, I think, 412 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,960 that though there are a number of entrants to the competition, 413 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,040 the judges decide that since Jacob Epstein and Moore didn't enter 414 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,440 they'll just forget it, 415 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,840 and there have been empty plinths on the bridge ever since. 416 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,200 I mean, even though one gets the sense of her 417 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,840 being a very strong, tough woman, 418 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:13,040 to be single-mindedly able to continue working, 419 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:18,320 I could only imagine how hard it must've been. 420 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,800 She started applying for commissions, er, 421 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,480 to be in the public realm, 422 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,440 and then in 1950 423 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,000 she was invited to represent Britain at the Venice Biennale, 424 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,840 which was obviously a huge moment for her. 425 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800 These big successes in the early '50s 426 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,600 started also a period of really great collaborations. 427 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,800 She designed the set and costumes 428 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,600 for a theatre production at the Old Vic of Electra in 1951. 429 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600 She was also, at this time, part of a collaboration 430 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840 that brought together an experimental filmmaker, 431 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,720 that was funded by the BFI, with the poet Jacquetta Hawkes 432 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,920 and Priaulx Rainier did the composition. 433 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,520 'Barbara Hepworth came from the cool, grey north, 434 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:14,800 seeking to find herself in Cornwall, and Cornwall in herself - 435 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480 a figure in the landscape.' 436 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,440 'She came to St Ives and set up wood and stone 437 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,000 in a warm, coloured garden high above the town, 438 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,920 with sunlight and leaves, flowers and sliding shadows.' 439 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,840 'She has walls about her and the sea beyond them.' 440 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,160 'Eye and imagination, hand and tool 441 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,000 shapes the stone, 442 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,640 cutting more deeply than sea and wind.' 443 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,640 '(PLAYFUL MUSIC)' 444 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,520 In 1953, Hepworth discovers that her son, her first son, Paul, 445 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,440 has died in an air crash - 446 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,600 he was in the RAF - 447 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,160 and, of course, it's absolutely devastating news. 448 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,720 It's at a time when actually, professionally, 449 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,080 she was doing incredibly well 450 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,440 and she has all these different projects on the go, 451 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,240 but it completely floors her. 452 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,800 One of the ways she gets through it is making a memorial to Paul. 453 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,120 Unlike many Hepworths at the time, 454 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,400 it's a sort of figurative Madonna and Child 455 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:26,160 that sits in the church at St Ives. 456 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:33,120 Her friend and long-term supporter Margaret Gardiner 457 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,960 decides that what she needs is a holiday, 458 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,000 so she takes her to Greece. 459 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,320 It was a trip of a lifetime for Hepworth, 460 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:48,080 visiting some of the ancient sights and really exploring the landscape. 461 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,960 It inspired her immensely. 462 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,440 And she comes back and makes this amazing sort of group of sculptures 463 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:58,240 in this African hardwood, guarea, which has been sent to her, 464 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,800 and I think she then finds herself again, 465 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,680 because she's gone back, basically, 466 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,800 to the idea that she developed in 1943 467 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,720 of a sculpture in which the hollowed-out inner spaces 468 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,800 create a sense of wellbeing and protection in an idea of landscape. 469 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:56,120 "I didn't really begin using bronze until '55 470 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,280 because I could not find a way that pleased me, 471 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:04,560 and then I began to think in terms of molten metal." 472 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,680 "I'm always delighted to hear that one is safely cast 473 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,600 and I can go check out everything." 474 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,240 The move into bronze 475 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,320 allows Hepworth not only to make more fluid forms and lighter forms - 476 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,520 that relate sometimes 477 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,600 to a kind of new spirituality that follows the death of Paul - 478 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,840 but also bigger sculptures. 479 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,240 She's not limited by the size of the tree or the piece of marble. 480 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,480 In the '60s, Hepworth becomes extremely prolific 481 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,720 and she makes almost as many works in the decade of the '60s 482 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200 as she did in her entire career before that point. 483 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,360 And something that she talks about is, er, how she finds herself 484 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840 returning to the visual language that she developed in the '30s, 485 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,800 so her work becomes more geometric. 486 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,520 What's interesting about how she then sort of 487 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,040 uses this geometric language in new ways 488 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,200 is thinking about the encounter of the viewer with the sculpture. 489 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,800 You're encouraged to move around it, to sort of see through it. 490 00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,600 In the '60s, it's an era of increased participation in the arts, 491 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,440 not just in terms of, you know, the number of visitors going to museums, 492 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920 but also actually participatory practices, 493 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,640 you know, installation art 494 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,840 and an increase in sort of architectural monumental works, 495 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,440 and Hepworth becomes part of this, as well. 496 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,040 The simple form, I really connected with, 497 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120 these forms that you could look through, often placed in landscape, 498 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,920 so you looked through 499 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,200 and it gave you a particular perspective or view on a landscape, 500 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,680 depending on where you stood. 501 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,720 Also, I think the scale I really related to, 502 00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,320 the scale in relation to me, 503 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,400 to a body, to a person, 504 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,240 so they were big and monumental and you had to look up to them 505 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,760 and then they guided you through to look at these views, 506 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,200 and I really related to that, 507 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960 the physicality, the materiality, the scale. 508 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,240 "At last, I think people have realised 509 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:54,200 that one hasn't devoted a lifetime without being sincere." 510 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,160 "And people now are so much warmer, I notice, in the big shows in London, 511 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,360 the tremendous interest and the way they move round things, 512 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,840 because we're meant either to caress them or touch them 513 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840 or hold them or walk round them 514 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,040 or allow our bodies to be incorporated in the experience, 515 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720 and that is what it's all about and this is improving." 516 00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,920 "But the average person in this country is terrified 517 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,760 of thinking that he is going to be laughed at." 518 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,200 And there's one piece called Single Form 519 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,280 that there's a version of that's in Battersea Park, 520 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,320 I lived in Battersea for a long time when I first came to London, 521 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,880 and it's always been a point of visiting, for me, an old friend. 522 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,960 So I'll go and see that piece and it'll remind me of past times 523 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,600 and I might have a conversation with it. 524 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,800 And it always looks different 525 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,000 and the view through the hole always looks different 526 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520 and the colour of the bronze changes 527 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,760 depending on the light that's falling on it. 528 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400 So it's a kind of old friend that I visit sometimes, you know, 529 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360 and might take people to see, 530 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200 and have a long-term relationship with! 531 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,760 I first met Barbara in New York City 532 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,640 where she had a show. 533 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,840 As people thinned out towards the end, we talked a bit more 534 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,400 and she said, "If ever you want to come to England, 535 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,720 you can come and work with me to begin with," 536 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,920 and so on, erm, 537 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,440 which I think about a year later I did do. 538 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,520 She had two very good workmen there. 539 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,200 I learnt a lot, but I remember the first morning, 540 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160 and obviously I was somewhat dubious of how this was going to work out 541 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,160 because she was a considerably famous sculptor 542 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600 and I was a 16-year-old nothing, 543 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,440 and she put me in front of a huge log 544 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440 and left me. 545 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,200 I thought, "Well, I mean, what do I actually do?" 546 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440 "I daren't start this thing because I've no idea what she wants." 547 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,520 And about half past 11, she came and chatted again 548 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,760 and left again... (LAUGHS) 549 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,160 ..and I didn't touch the thing! 550 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,920 I didn't know where she wanted to start! 551 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,840 I'd no idea what shape she wanted. 552 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,960 Come late afternoon I thought, "I think she's wanting me to start." 553 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,960 So that's what I did that day, 554 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,480 and then, obviously, following it up the following morning and so on. 555 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,080 She gave it more precise directions, um, as it got more finished, 556 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,680 until at the end, we're talking about "a millimetre off here," 557 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,040 very precise. 558 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,280 It really is a rhythm. 559 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,040 And she could tell, 560 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,400 or any of her senior assistants could tell a mile away 561 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,400 whether you were really, you know, 562 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120 happily working away or whether it was, "Hm..." 563 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,320 It was almost like a dream sequence 564 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:53,200 trying to get my chisels copying what was in her head. 565 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200 Quite a dance. 566 00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,320 I mean, one of the remarkable things of Hepworth's last decade 567 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320 is that she's so prolific 568 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,040 and so willing to explore new ideas and new materials 569 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,240 and to kind of revisit former ideas. 570 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,440 Part of her ambition is also working on this larger scale. 571 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,120 She was invited by John Lewis to submit a proposal for a sculpture 572 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,040 for their flagship shop in Oxford Street 573 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,440 and she submitted a proposal which was called Forms in Echelon. 574 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,640 But they did not think that 575 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,720 it was representational enough of a Hepworth, 576 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,600 so she was asked to submit something else 577 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,200 and she submitted the design for Winged Figure. 578 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,040 During the '60s, as well, 579 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960 she continues to make these architectural commissions, 580 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,560 so starting with Winged Figure, 581 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,040 then you have Single Form outside the UN, of course, 582 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280 and then Theme and Variations for Cheltenham and Gloucester, 583 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,800 you know, and that's quite a different sculpture for Hepworth 584 00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,640 because it's a relief, 585 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,440 but you can see that 586 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640 she's interested in lots of the same things, 587 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,240 you know, this idea of movement 588 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,600 that has actually been present in all of her work 589 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920 can be seen in that. 590 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,200 So she started to make these multi-part bronzes. 591 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960 Along with Conversation with Magic Stone, 592 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,040 the Family of Man really sort of encapsulates 593 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,840 the number of themes that developed through Hepworth's work, 594 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,320 things like the relationship to the pagan landscape and standing stones 595 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,800 that have very much been drawn out in her work, 596 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080 you know, even from as early the '30s. 597 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,880 I think what you see in a sculpture like Family of Man 598 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,640 is, you know, the title tells you what it's about 599 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,560 and that is very much Hepworth's ideology, 600 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,760 you know, that all human life 601 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,040 should be, ideally, one harmonious cooperative whole, like a family. 602 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,440 And so she's produced this, erm, 603 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,240 group of figures who all inter-relate in the familial sense, 604 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,640 and, you know, naturally, once you put them in an open space, 605 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,520 remind you of the stones of Avebury or Stonehenge 606 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,640 or those ancient sculptural monuments that she has in her mind 607 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040 and she sees herself in the tradition of. 608 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,920 It's not just ambitious in terms of its scale 609 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,840 and the space that it takes up 610 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,440 and how you interact with it as a visitor, 611 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120 but also in the things it encompasses. 612 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,000 It's really taking you through from all experiences of life... 613 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,200 ..until you reach the Ultimate Form, 614 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,280 which is the final sculpture at the end. 615 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920 "We all have an aspiration which we share." 616 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520 "They may be different aspirations, 617 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,160 but they're still hopes for the future, 618 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,000 belief in the future, 619 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,360 belief in the children that are yet to be born, 620 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,040 and the Ultimate Form has the kind of serenity that says, 621 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,120 'Go on working โ€” here I am.'" 622 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,400 Even when she's really suffering, you know, from 1965 onwards 623 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,160 she was in a lot of pain, 624 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640 both physically and I think sort of emotionally, 625 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,840 there's a very touching account by AM Hammacher 626 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000 going to see her late in life, towards the end of her life, 627 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200 and he's shocked to find someone who's always been so positive, 628 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,600 erm, and so forward-looking, 629 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,560 now being, you know, full of regret 630 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,680 and looking melancholically back at her earlier life 631 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480 and, you know, absences, I guess, 632 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,600 so what you see in her work in the late 1960s and early '70s is, 633 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240 you know, she's working in bronze but also comes back to marble 634 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:46,880 and then starts exploring new stones and new finishes. 635 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400 Early on her career, she trained with a marmista 636 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,800 when she was in Italy 637 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,520 with her first husband, John Skeaping, 638 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480 and, you know, these late carvings were also so important to her 639 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040 and she was exploring all sorts of different colours 640 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,320 and different types of marble and stone. 641 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,400 I mean, you can see in her yard, for example, 642 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,840 there is still a massive order of white marble waiting to be carved, 643 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600 you know, "Patiently, waiting like sheep," 644 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200 I think she described it as. 645 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,280 Here in this tiny area of Cornwall, 646 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,280 there have been more artists come to live and work throughout the years. 647 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,760 Barbara Hepworth is undoubtedly 648 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,560 the greatest carver working in the world today. 649 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040 Hepworth had a massive sense of community. 650 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,320 She really supported artists when she first moved to Trewyn 651 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,400 and she also gave work, you know, to the local community. 652 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,720 It says something about her scale of ambition 653 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:53,360 and, you know, at what point she was in her career, 654 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,600 she's operating at an international level 655 00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,080 from the far west of, you know, southwest of the country. 656 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,280 You know, that's an extraordinary thing! 657 00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,440 As you know, I love St Ives so deeply 658 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,400 and I've met with every kindness and warmth 659 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400 the many years I've lived here. 660 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,200 And it's not only been my physical home 661 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,720 but it's also been my spiritual home. 662 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:28,520 And this means a tremendous amount 663 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,920 because you've made me, I've always been part of it 664 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640 but now you've made me part of it 665 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:43,200 and it will be an inspiration every day I wake up 666 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640 and go to work in the future. 667 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200 (APPLAUSE) Thank you. 668 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,360 "..showers will spread in later tomorrow, 669 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,680 but visibility will remain mainly good." 670 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,040 "In western areas, from Cornwall to Cumberland, 671 00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,520 winds will be southwest to west, fresh or strong, 672 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,800 with occasional showers and mostly good visibility." 673 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,000 "Now weather reports from coastal stations for 22:00 hours." 674 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,200 "Accrington, south-southeast..." 675 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200 (PHONE RINGS) 676 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,640 (RINGING CEASES) 677 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,800 Even in her time, you know, she was never someone who became irrelevant. 678 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,280 She was always relevant. 679 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,840 But, also, her work always aimed to bring... 680 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,680 ..something about the present 681 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,760 with something that's universal and eternal, 682 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,520 and I think that that's really why, even today, you know, 683 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,600 it speaks to people very directly, 684 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,240 you know, this idea of interaction with our physical surroundings. 685 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,480 The Figures in the Landscape is as important to us now 686 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160 and as integral to our experience of the world 687 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,760 as it was in Hepworth's time. 688 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,800 When you look at Hepworth's public standing, her reputation, 689 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640 she was very successful in her lifetime 690 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,120 but not as successful as many artists of her stature. 691 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,920 I think, certainly, she suffered from being shy, 692 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,560 being a woman, being insecure. 693 00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520 Certainly, when she represented Britain 694 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,840 in the Venice Biennale in 1950, 695 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,160 there's correspondents in the British Council saying, 696 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,720 "It was really awkward." 697 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,800 "She didn't really want to participate in the social side," 698 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,800 whereas Henry Moore two years earlier had been the life and soul. 699 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,040 You know, and a lot of artistic success 700 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,280 is actually about what you're like in public. 701 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,840 From the 19, the late '80s onwards, I guess, 702 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,240 there's been a growing interest in her art 703 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,520 because the art can speak for itself. 704 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,680 I think there's a sensitivity in Barbara Hepworth's work 705 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,600 that was the same, erm, 706 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,000 part of her work that maybe was discarded formerly. 707 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,280 It's that same sensitivity that there's a response to now. 708 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,600 I think we were still perhaps in the period 709 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440 where women weren't given the real seriousness 710 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,240 that was instantly given to Henry Moore, who was more of a showman - 711 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,040 he loved having loads of people in his studio - 712 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,720 whereas Barbara, absolutely instinctively, 713 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,120 was a very private person, 714 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,000 that, plus being female and plus still that period 715 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,760 when it wasn't natural to think that a woman could carry... 716 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,520 ..up to the top of the pit 717 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,440 of the phases of work involved with being a sculptor, 718 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120 erm, it was strange. 719 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,880 It was still quite a heave-ho to get there. 720 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,200 I think Hepworth's work, you know, has an enduring quality. 721 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,400 I have seen her work in exhibitions 722 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,240 that explore the prehistories of modernism 723 00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,640 and all of the kind of historic ancient works, 724 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,200 I've seen her work shown in cutting-edge contemporary shows, 725 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,760 and in every case she holds up. 726 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,360 There are many compromises one often has to make. 727 00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200 Artists don't compromise. 728 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,320 It's... Their work is an extremely personal statement 729 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,000 and you cannot compromise that. 730 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,200 I think that's the difference between design and art. 731 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,520 I think that her influence as an artist - 732 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,440 on artists since and even now - 733 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,640 I see students that still look at her work 734 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,760 and are very influenced by her. 735 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,560 I wouldn't be where I am now if it wasn't for Barbara Hepworth. 736 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,040 "I have enjoyed every morning 737 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440 that I've wakened up... 738 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,960 ..and been grateful for the next dawn, the next spring." 739 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,760 "I think it's been the most wonderful life." 740 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,680 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk 59948

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