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"(RADIO CRACKLES)"
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"..English Channel,
from Hampshire to Cornwall."
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"Winds will be west to southwest,
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moderate or fresh,
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increasing later in the day
and becoming fresh or strong."
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"Fair weather at first, but showers
will spread in later tomorrow,
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but visibility will remain
mainly good."
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"In western areas,
from Cornwall to Cumberland,
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winds will be southwest to west,
fresh or strong,
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with occasional showers
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and mostly good visibility."
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"Now weather reports from
coastal stations for 22:00 hours."
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"Accrington, south-southeast,
poor, intermittent slight rain,
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2.5 nautical miles."
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"Ronaldsway, southwest,
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fine, 13 nautical miles."
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"And that's the end of the forecast
for coastal waters."
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"The time is just now
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10 minutes to 12."
(PHONE RINGS)
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"Perhaps what one wants to say
is formed in childhood,
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and the rest of one's life is spent
trying to say it."
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"I know that all I felt during the
early years of my life in Yorkshire
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is dynamic and constant
in my life today."
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Hepworth famously said,
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"What one wants to say
is formed in childhood
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and one spends all of one's life
trying to say it,"
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and her childhood was spent
in Yorkshire.
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I mean, what we know about
Hepworth's childhood
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and how she came to be a sculptor
really comes from her
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when she was writing in the 1950s.
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She tells the story of, she came
from quite a well-to-do background,
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her father was the local alderman
and so on, erm,
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but she talks about driving
through the landscape with him
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and the experience
of the Yorkshire landscape.
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"All my early memories
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are of forms and shapes
and textures."
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"Moving through and over
the West Riding landscape
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with my father, in his car,
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the hills were sculptures,
the roads defined the forms."
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"This sensation has never left me."
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"I, the sculptor, am the landscape."
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"I am the form and I am the hollow,
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the thrust and the contour."
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I felt a real connection.
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Our family moved
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just outside Leeds for a while
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and, erm,
we used to ramble over the Moors
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and follow streams
up to their sources
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and climb on those rocks
and feel them.
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And when you're happy
as a small child,
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these things go quite deep
and they stay with you.
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(ELEANOR CLAYTON)The family spent
their summers in Robin Hood's Bay,
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so she had the sort of mixture of
the sort of industrial landscape,
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but also the coastal landscape
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was always something that was there
from her early days.
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And so all of these things
kind of built into her theory
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or sort of philosophy
of the figure in the landscape,
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you know, the human relationship
to our surroundings
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in all these different ways.
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And I think that's something that,
erm,
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stayed with her
throughout her career.
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She also remembered the experience
of being introduced to sculpture,
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I think through a slideshow
when she was at school
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and seeing, you know,
Ancient Egyptian sculptures.
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She specifically mentions
sort of having that inspiration.
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I mean, I think it's worth
thinking about
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how unusual it would be
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for a young, middle-class girl
in Wakefield
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to have an ambition
to be a sculptor.
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For a young girl to have an ambition
to be a sculptor
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in the early 20th century
is pretty extraordinary.
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There aren't many early works
that exist,
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but the early works that do exist
are mostly drawings,
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and I think that's also indicative
of her pathway into arts education
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because, erm,
it was the drawing scholarship
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that got her into
Leeds School of Art,
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and when she was at
Leeds School of Art,
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your kind of artistic prowess was
largely based on your craftsmanship,
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so the drawing master there,
someone called WB Pearson,
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knew what his students had to do
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in order to get the scholarships
down to the Royal College of Art
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and he drilled them meticulously.
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I think it was really when she moved
to the Royal College
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that she began making sculpture
in earnest
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and she said that she came down
there on a drawing scholarship
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and said, when she started,
that she wanted to do sculpture
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and so they asked her
to model a bust, which she did,
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and then they said,
"OK, you can go on the course."
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One of the key things to remember
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is that the teaching of sculpture
was still very traditional.
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Modern sculpture, as we understand
it, as she would develop it,
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was happening,
it wasn't in the art schools.
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You know, someone like her
would be learning how to, you know,
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build up a plaster image
around an armature,
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to be cast in bronze
by someone else,
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but the forms are very traditional.
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There is no sense that modernism
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and modern style of sculpture
was being taught,
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so traditional skills,
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particularly around
modelling plaster and clay,
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were not at all about carving.
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Direct carving was already something
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that was happening
in Avant-garde circles,
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but it wasn't really something that
was being taught in art schools,
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even somewhere
like the Royal College.
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So Hepworth did remember that,
actually,
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she was taught more at the
Royal College by the common room
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than the studio.
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"The real value of an art school
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lies in the opportunity
it gives to the student
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to work with his contemporaries."
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"Tuition should be offered
rather than administered
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so that every student can exercise
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and strengthen
his sense of discovery."
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She also remembered her
and her fellow students
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who'd come down from Leeds, so at
Leeds School she met Henry Moore,
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but also Raymond Coxon
and Edna Ginesi,
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and the three of them
came down to London together.
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They were known as
'the Leeds table'.
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And they would go over to Paris
together, as well.
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One of them said at some point
that it was cheaper, or easier,
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to get a ticket to go to Paris than
it was to go back home to Yorkshire,
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which I'm sure was a great line
to say to your parents,
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but they did do these trips
over to Paris
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and they get more of a sense
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of what contemporary artists
were doing.
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So when she was a student,
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she went to stay with her cousins
in Saffron Walden,
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and her uncle, Arthur, was a GP,
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and she made this relief
of Jill and Peggy, her cousins,
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which she carved into plaster,
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that we think was probably plaster
used from her uncle's GP surgery
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that he would've used to cast up
his broken bones of his patients.
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Hepworth graduated
from the Royal College
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and immediately started
working towards the Prix de Rome,
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which was a prize
that would give the winner
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lodgings in Rome and a stipend
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to basically study there
and make work.
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She didn't win the Prix de Rome,
she was the runner-up,
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but she did get a travel grant
from West Riding,
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the county that she grew up in,
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so she was able to go and travel.
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And then she met John Skeaping,
who had won the Prix de Rome,
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that she had come so close to
winning and was based now in Rome,
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and they travelled across
sort of Tuscany together
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and fell in love
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and, er, eventually married in 1925.
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It was a great stroke of luck, in a
way, that she manages to go to Italy
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and it's there that she starts
developing a new form of sculpture
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and I think she and Skeaping
both learned to carve
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with a local Italian technician.
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Of course, there's a certain kind
of kudos about that,
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that, you know, Italy is one of
the sort of crucibles
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of the great sort of
sculptural traditions.
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One thing she talks about learning
in Italy from Giovanni Ardini
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is this sense of the difference
and the qualities of the materials.
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From an early age, she's fascinated
by different materials
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and how they behave differently,
different forms of stone, marbles
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and different woods, soft and hard,
dark and light, and so on.
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And I think she tells
how he had said, you know,
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marble changes colour in the hands
of different people.
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In Italy she would've learned how
marble is different from, you know,
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different parts
of the same quarry even.
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"At this time, all the carvings were
an effort to find a personal accord
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with the stones or wood
which I was carving."
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"I was fascinated by the new problem
which arose out of each sculpture,
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and by the kind of form
that grew out of achieving
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a personal harmony
with the material."
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I think the contrast between
where she grew up in Wakefield,
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you know, a small town,
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you know, and like all small towns
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it would've been laden with coal
smoke in the early 20th century,
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and in Yorkshire
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where often the sky feels like
it's right down on your head,
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to then being in the Mediterranean
and feeling that light, it's the...
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Though, actually, she doesn't travel
that extensively through her life,
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the Mediterranean is a point
she comes back to again and again.
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I mean, even later in life,
she talks about her work -
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her garden even looks
sort of Mediterranean -
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it's definitely something
she comes back to.
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And there's a lovely quote, I think,
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from David Lewis, who was her
secretary in the early '50s,
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and he says, "Effectively,
she's sculpting light."
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So Hepworth and Skeaping
came back in 1926,
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erm,
because Skeaping wasn't very well,
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so they came back to London and they
set up a flat in St John's Wood,
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where they had a big studio
that stretched out into the garden,
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it had a big skylight
for natural light
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and they built an aviary all down
one side, so kept an array of birds.
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They were both still practising
direct carving
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and their subjects were largely
drawn from the natural world,
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so quite figurative
but using this kind of
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Avant-garde technique
of direct carving.
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There's an intimacy
in some of her smaller works
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that I really relate to
particularly.
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There's something about the scale
of that,
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something to do with the scale
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and quiet involvement
with your material,
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something that's your own,
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that you're involved with a dialogue
with yourself
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and your, erm, unconscious,
on some levels, perhaps.
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Initially,
they struggled to make ends meet.
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Skeaping recalls in his biography
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that he would go and busk
with a friend of his
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outside theatres in London
to make money.
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What they ended up doing was putting
on an exhibition in their flat
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and Hepworth said she remembered
that it was almost a disaster.
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For 14 days, or something like that,
no-one came at all.
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this big collector who,
between them,
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purchased several drawings
and sculptures
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and it just completely saved them.
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Hepworth became pregnant
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and she gave birth to her son, Paul,
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in 1929.
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And she made an incredible sculpture
of Paul, called Infant,
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which is one of maybe the first
examples of seeing Hepworth's life
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feeding so directly into her work
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and how she's taking
all of the experiences she has
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and sort of channelling it into
the way that she's making her work.
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When Hepworth was first living
in London, she lived in Chelsea,
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which was a traditional
artists' quarter,
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but she and Skeaping moved to
the Mall Studios in Belsize Park,
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and there's a gradual movement,
I think,
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of many artists
to the Hampstead area,
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where the air was much cleaner.
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In the Mall Studios, they're in this
row of purpose-built artist studios,
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so they're in a community
of artists,
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Henry Moore's just round the corner.
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And then during the 1930s,
the whole area becomes
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sort of the centre, in a way,
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for a kind of international
modern arts scene,
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as artists move from Europe
with the rise of fascism.
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In April 1931,
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Winifred and Ben Nicholson
were exhibiting
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as part of the Seven and Five,
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and the Seven and Five
was a progressive exhibiting society
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that had been going on
since the early '20s,
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and in 1931, Skeaping exhibited
with the Seven and Five as a guest.
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Having met Ben and Winifred
earlier in the year,
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when Hepworth and Skeaping
were going on holiday to Norfolk
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with various other artists,
including Moore and Ivon Hitchens,
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Hepworth invited them
to come along with her.
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Ben comes along,
Winifred stays at home,
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and over the course of the holiday
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Ben and Barbara develop
more of a romantic relationship.
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I mean, Hepworth coming together
with Ben Nicholson
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is clearly a crucial step in
both their lives and in their art.
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I think she has as much impact
on him as he does on her,
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if not more.
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But I think there's
a coming together of like minds,
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to a great extent.
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They're both kind of modern thinkers
in the broadest sense.
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Ben is a follower
of Christian science,
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like his first wife Winifred,
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so it's a very kind of modern take
on Christianity, very unorthodox.
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He's also vegetarian, you know,
these things which,
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at that time in the early '30s,
are very kind of out there.
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And then you see there's a point
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when they're living together
in the Mall Studios,
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when they're clearly making work
in dialogue with each other.
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For a year or two,
it's like a common endeavour.
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So in 1934,
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Hepworth's work had already become
to be more abstract,
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or sort of getting more abstract,
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particularly, though,
in these biomorphic forms
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that you could see in things like
Seated Figure
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and Mother and Child,
which was made in 1934.
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At this time, she made several
of these mother and child,
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or like, erm, large and small forms,
sort of all in the same theme,
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and perhaps this was because
she was pregnant.
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Over that year,
she made several of these works
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and then she gave birth
in October to triplets.
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At this time,
there wasn't really a way of telling
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that it was going to be triplets,
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so they only discovered
when they arrived.
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"It was a tremendously exciting
event."
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"We were only prepared for one child,
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and the arrival of three babies
by six o'clock in the morning
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meant considerable improvisation
for the first few days."
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"I decided I must do some work
each day."
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"It went on in my head,
even when I was doing the chores."
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"The result were fewer sculptures
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but, I believe, more triumphs."
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What's interesting is, when she
comes back from having the triplets,
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is her art changes completely.
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Afterwards, the new style
is the very sort of austere,
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very pure, formal groupings.
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Though in those,
she's still developing that theme
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of what she calls
interrelated masses.
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It's a sculpture that's about
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the way two or three things
relate to each other -
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the spaces between the forms
is as important as the forms.
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And I think that's very much a kind
of metaphor for human relationships.
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In the mid-20th century,
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I mean, there were well-known
and established women artists,
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but particularly in Britain
in the world of sculpture,
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she would've had to be pretty tough
and strong, I imagine,
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to survive that and keep her belief
in herself and what she did.
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And she did continue to make work,
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even when she had four children,
young children at one time,
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so to be able to then continue
to make work as she did
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and to carve a life out that was...
where she able to do that.
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I mean,
the end of the 1930s for Hepworth,
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like all liberal people,
was a traumatic experience.
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They were a generation who, if they
hadn't been in the First World War,
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had witnessed it
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and, you know, had thought
that was the war to end all wars.
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So the sort of descent
into another war in 1939
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was really, you know, traumatic
psychologically for everyone.
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And for Hepworth and her circle,
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they had spent the 1930s
making art that was, you know,
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consciously in defiance of fascism
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and all the values, the material
values of fascism and Nazism,
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so, in a way,
all the things they tried to do,
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the kind of Utopian values,
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the internationalist values
that those sculptures stood for,
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had been kind of, erm, decimated.
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And at the same time,
they're living with the threat
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of the bombing of London.
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There was a widespread expectation
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on the first day of the war
that London would be bombed.
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Her friend Adrian Stokes believed
the city would be destroyed,
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so he settled in his house
in Cornwall
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and invited them down as friends
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and as, you know, the most important
modern artists in Britain.
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So in 1939,
she'd established a practice
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that was very much based
on direct carving.
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It had become progressively
more abstract,
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you know, from the mid-1930s.
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When she moved to Cornwall,
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this very sort of
ardently abstract work
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then becomes kind of influenced
by her surroundings.
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"From late 1938,
until war was declared,
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it became increasingly difficult
to sell a painting or a sculpture
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and make a bare living."
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"At the most difficult moment
of this period,
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I did a maquette
for the first sculpture with colour,
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and when I took the children
to Cornwall
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five days before war was declared,
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I took the maquette with me,
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also my hammer and a minimum
of stone-carving tools."
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So obviously Hepworth made her name
initially with direct carving,
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carving really, erm,
amazing materials,
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hard woods often,
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and very particular stones,
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and these things were just not
easy to come by as soon as war hit,
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and so what she started to do
was turn to drawing as an outlet.
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The first pictures
that Hepworth makes in Cornwall
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are really kind of her imagining
sculptures in two dimensions,
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so the forms you see her drawing,
these sort of curving forms
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and then a whole series of lines
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that relate to the strings
and sculpture,
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and then there's normally
a little area of colour,
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as if it's in the core
of the form that encloses it.
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She has a major breakthrough in 1943
when she comes back to carving
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and she produces this series
of small wooden sculptures,
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which really establish, I think,
her most distinctive vocabulary
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when she takes what's basically
just a log of wood
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and hollows it out,
pierces it from several sides
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to create an inner space
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and then paints that inner space,
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while leaving the outer surface raw.
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That contrast really makes you feel
that you're looking at a sculpture
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where the internal space,
the caverns within the wood,
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are the thing,
rather than the wood itself.
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And she talks about those sculptures
in terms of her,
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how she feels in the landscape,
sort of embraced and protected,
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which I think, you know,
in the middle of war
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is a very significant thing.
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"I used colour and strings
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in many of the carvings
of this time."
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"The colour in the concavities
plunged me into the depth of water,
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caves,
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or shadows deeper than
the carved concavities themselves."
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"The strings were the tension
I felt between myself and the sea,
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the wind or the hills."
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Not a day goes by
where I can't go out for a walk.
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I like the forces of nature.
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I can enjoy it, you know, if you're
dressed properly and so on.
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And, you know, that...
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..the sort of greatest connection
I've got with Barbara Hepworth
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is this passion and love
of the landscape.
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By the late 1940s,
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she had been exhibiting
sort of through the war
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and establishing herself as a kind
of leading modern British artist.
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It was decided that she should
really get a suitable studio
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for her developing career.
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In the Palais de Danse
opposite Trewyn, erm,
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was a big auction in 1949
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to sell off the outbuildings
of the Trewyn estate -
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she was still living in Carbis Bay
with Nicholson at that time -
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but by the end of 1950
it had become her home.
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"There's nothing more inspiring to me
than the act of creation."
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"There must be magic in this country
round here -
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every smallest sound,
the fragrant smells of the wind,
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the soil and this lovely sunlight,
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the rain, the night, the dawn,
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the day of work, and sleep."
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In terms of public sculpture,
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Hepworth's stuff
was in the post-war years,
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because there has been a move
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towards something more traditional,
more figurative.
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So when she enters the competition
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to make four sculptures
for the corners of Waterloo Bridge,
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which had been built
just before the war,
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the forms she produces are sort of
kind of abstracted reclining figures
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because of the shape of the plinths,
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and it's sort of very telling,
I think,
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that though there are a number
of entrants to the competition,
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the judges decide that since Jacob
Epstein and Moore didn't enter
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they'll just forget it,
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and there have been empty plinths
on the bridge ever since.
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I mean, even though
one gets the sense of her
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being a very strong, tough woman,
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to be single-mindedly able
to continue working,
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I could only imagine
how hard it must've been.
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She started applying
for commissions, er,
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to be in the public realm,
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and then in 1950
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she was invited to represent Britain
at the Venice Biennale,
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which was obviously a huge moment
for her.
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These big successes
in the early '50s
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started also a period
of really great collaborations.
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She designed the set and costumes
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for a theatre production
at the Old Vic of Electra in 1951.
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She was also, at this time,
part of a collaboration
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that brought together
an experimental filmmaker,
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that was funded by the BFI,
with the poet Jacquetta Hawkes
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and Priaulx Rainier
did the composition.
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'Barbara Hepworth
came from the cool, grey north,
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seeking to find herself in Cornwall,
and Cornwall in herself -
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a figure in the landscape.'
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'She came to St Ives
and set up wood and stone
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in a warm, coloured garden
high above the town,
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with sunlight and leaves,
flowers and sliding shadows.'
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'She has walls about her
and the sea beyond them.'
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'Eye and imagination, hand and tool
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shapes the stone,
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cutting more deeply
than sea and wind.'
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'(PLAYFUL MUSIC)'
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In 1953, Hepworth discovers
that her son, her first son, Paul,
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has died in an air crash -
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he was in the RAF -
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and, of course,
it's absolutely devastating news.
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It's at a time when actually,
professionally,
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she was doing incredibly well
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and she has all these
different projects on the go,
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but it completely floors her.
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One of the ways she gets through it
is making a memorial to Paul.
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Unlike many Hepworths at the time,
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it's a sort of figurative
Madonna and Child
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that sits in the church at St Ives.
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Her friend and long-term supporter
Margaret Gardiner
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decides that what she needs
is a holiday,
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so she takes her to Greece.
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It was a trip of a lifetime
for Hepworth,
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visiting some of the ancient sights
and really exploring the landscape.
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It inspired her immensely.
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And she comes back and makes this
amazing sort of group of sculptures
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in this African hardwood, guarea,
which has been sent to her,
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and I think she then
finds herself again,
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because she's gone back, basically,
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to the idea that she developed
in 1943
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of a sculpture in which
the hollowed-out inner spaces
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create a sense of wellbeing and
protection in an idea of landscape.
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"I didn't really begin using bronze
until '55
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because I could not find a way
that pleased me,
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and then I began to think
in terms of molten metal."
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"I'm always delighted to hear
that one is safely cast
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and I can go check out everything."
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The move into bronze
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allows Hepworth not only to make
more fluid forms and lighter forms -
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that relate sometimes
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to a kind of new spirituality
that follows the death of Paul -
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but also bigger sculptures.
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She's not limited by the size
of the tree or the piece of marble.
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In the '60s,
Hepworth becomes extremely prolific
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and she makes almost as many works
in the decade of the '60s
482
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200
as she did in her entire career
before that point.
483
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,360
And something that she talks about
is, er, how she finds herself
484
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,840
returning to the visual language
that she developed in the '30s,
485
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,800
so her work becomes more geometric.
486
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,520
What's interesting
about how she then sort of
487
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,040
uses this geometric language
in new ways
488
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:27,200
is thinking about the encounter
of the viewer with the sculpture.
489
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,800
You're encouraged to move around it,
to sort of see through it.
490
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,600
In the '60s, it's an era of
increased participation in the arts,
491
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,440
not just in terms of, you know, the
number of visitors going to museums,
492
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920
but also actually
participatory practices,
493
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,640
you know, installation art
494
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,840
and an increase in sort of
architectural monumental works,
495
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,440
and Hepworth becomes part of this,
as well.
496
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,040
The simple form,
I really connected with,
497
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,120
these forms that you could look
through, often placed in landscape,
498
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,920
so you looked through
499
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,200
and it gave you a particular
perspective or view on a landscape,
500
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,680
depending on where you stood.
501
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,720
Also, I think the scale
I really related to,
502
00:34:31,720 --> 00:34:34,320
the scale in relation to me,
503
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,400
to a body, to a person,
504
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,240
so they were big and monumental
and you had to look up to them
505
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:41,760
and then they guided you through
to look at these views,
506
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,200
and I really related to that,
507
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,960
the physicality, the materiality,
the scale.
508
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,240
"At last,
I think people have realised
509
00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:54,200
that one hasn't devoted a lifetime
without being sincere."
510
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,160
"And people now are so much warmer,
I notice, in the big shows in London,
511
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,360
the tremendous interest
and the way they move round things,
512
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,840
because we're meant either
to caress them or touch them
513
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,840
or hold them or walk round them
514
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,040
or allow our bodies to be
incorporated in the experience,
515
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,720
and that is what it's all about
and this is improving."
516
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,920
"But the average person
in this country is terrified
517
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,760
of thinking that
he is going to be laughed at."
518
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,200
And there's one piece
called Single Form
519
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,280
that there's a version of
that's in Battersea Park,
520
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,320
I lived in Battersea for a long time
when I first came to London,
521
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,880
and it's always been a point of
visiting, for me, an old friend.
522
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,960
So I'll go and see that piece
and it'll remind me of past times
523
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,600
and I might have a conversation
with it.
524
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:44,800
And it always looks different
525
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,000
and the view through the hole
always looks different
526
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,520
and the colour of the bronze changes
527
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,760
depending on the light
that's falling on it.
528
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400
So it's a kind of old friend
that I visit sometimes, you know,
529
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,360
and might take people to see,
530
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,200
and have a long-term relationship
with!
531
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,760
I first met Barbara in New York City
532
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,640
where she had a show.
533
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,840
As people thinned out towards
the end, we talked a bit more
534
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,400
and she said, "If ever you want
to come to England,
535
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,720
you can come and work with me
to begin with,"
536
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:19,920
and so on, erm,
537
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,440
which I think about a year later
I did do.
538
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,520
She had two very good workmen there.
539
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,200
I learnt a lot,
but I remember the first morning,
540
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,160
and obviously I was somewhat dubious
of how this was going to work out
541
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,160
because she was
a considerably famous sculptor
542
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,600
and I was a 16-year-old nothing,
543
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,440
and she put me in front of
a huge log
544
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
and left me.
545
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,200
I thought, "Well, I mean,
what do I actually do?"
546
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440
"I daren't start this thing because
I've no idea what she wants."
547
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,520
And about half past 11,
she came and chatted again
548
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,760
and left again... (LAUGHS)
549
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,160
..and I didn't touch the thing!
550
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,920
I didn't know where
she wanted to start!
551
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,840
I'd no idea what shape she wanted.
552
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Come late afternoon I thought,
"I think she's wanting me to start."
553
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,960
So that's what I did that day,
554
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,480
and then, obviously, following it up
the following morning and so on.
555
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,080
She gave it more precise directions,
um, as it got more finished,
556
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,680
until at the end, we're talking
about "a millimetre off here,"
557
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,040
very precise.
558
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,280
It really is a rhythm.
559
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,040
And she could tell,
560
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,400
or any of her senior assistants
could tell a mile away
561
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,400
whether you were really, you know,
562
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,120
happily working away
or whether it was, "Hm..."
563
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,320
It was almost like a dream sequence
564
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:53,200
trying to get my chisels
copying what was in her head.
565
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,200
Quite a dance.
566
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,320
I mean, one of the remarkable things
of Hepworth's last decade
567
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:29,320
is that she's so prolific
568
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,040
and so willing to explore new ideas
and new materials
569
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,240
and to kind of revisit former ideas.
570
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,440
Part of her ambition is also working
on this larger scale.
571
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,120
She was invited by John Lewis
to submit a proposal for a sculpture
572
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:47,040
for their flagship shop
in Oxford Street
573
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,440
and she submitted a proposal
which was called Forms in Echelon.
574
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,640
But they did not think that
575
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,720
it was representational enough
of a Hepworth,
576
00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:57,600
so she was asked to submit
something else
577
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,200
and she submitted the design
for Winged Figure.
578
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,040
During the '60s, as well,
579
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,960
she continues to make these
architectural commissions,
580
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,560
so starting with Winged Figure,
581
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,040
then you have Single Form
outside the UN, of course,
582
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,280
and then Theme and Variations
for Cheltenham and Gloucester,
583
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,800
you know, and that's quite
a different sculpture for Hepworth
584
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,640
because it's a relief,
585
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,440
but you can see that
586
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,640
she's interested
in lots of the same things,
587
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,240
you know, this idea of movement
588
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:36,600
that has actually been present
in all of her work
589
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920
can be seen in that.
590
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,200
So she started to make
these multi-part bronzes.
591
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,960
Along with
Conversation with Magic Stone,
592
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,040
the Family of Man
really sort of encapsulates
593
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,840
the number of themes that developed
through Hepworth's work,
594
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,320
things like the relationship to the
pagan landscape and standing stones
595
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,800
that have very much been drawn out
in her work,
596
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,080
you know,
even from as early the '30s.
597
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,880
I think what you see in a sculpture
like Family of Man
598
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,640
is, you know, the title tells you
what it's about
599
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,560
and that is very much
Hepworth's ideology,
600
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,760
you know, that all human life
601
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:32,040
should be, ideally, one harmonious
cooperative whole, like a family.
602
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,440
And so she's produced this, erm,
603
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,240
group of figures who all
inter-relate in the familial sense,
604
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,640
and, you know, naturally,
once you put them in an open space,
605
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,520
remind you of the stones of Avebury
or Stonehenge
606
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,640
or those ancient sculptural
monuments that she has in her mind
607
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,040
and she sees herself
in the tradition of.
608
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,920
It's not just ambitious
in terms of its scale
609
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,840
and the space that it takes up
610
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,440
and how you interact with it
as a visitor,
611
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,120
but also in the things
it encompasses.
612
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,000
It's really taking you through
from all experiences of life...
613
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,200
..until you reach the Ultimate Form,
614
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,280
which is the final sculpture
at the end.
615
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,920
"We all have an aspiration
which we share."
616
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,520
"They may be different aspirations,
617
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,160
but they're still hopes
for the future,
618
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,000
belief in the future,
619
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,360
belief in the children
that are yet to be born,
620
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,040
and the Ultimate Form
has the kind of serenity that says,
621
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,120
'Go on working โ here I am.'"
622
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,400
Even when she's really suffering,
you know, from 1965 onwards
623
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,160
she was in a lot of pain,
624
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,640
both physically
and I think sort of emotionally,
625
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,840
there's a very touching account
by AM Hammacher
626
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000
going to see her late in life,
towards the end of her life,
627
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,200
and he's shocked to find someone
who's always been so positive,
628
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,600
erm, and so forward-looking,
629
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,560
now being, you know, full of regret
630
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,680
and looking melancholically
back at her earlier life
631
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480
and, you know, absences, I guess,
632
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:37,600
so what you see in her work
in the late 1960s and early '70s is,
633
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,240
you know, she's working in bronze
but also comes back to marble
634
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:46,880
and then starts exploring new stones
and new finishes.
635
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,400
Early on her career,
she trained with a marmista
636
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,800
when she was in Italy
637
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,520
with her first husband,
John Skeaping,
638
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,480
and, you know, these late carvings
were also so important to her
639
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
and she was exploring
all sorts of different colours
640
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,320
and different types of marble
and stone.
641
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,400
I mean, you can see in her yard,
for example,
642
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,840
there is still a massive order of
white marble waiting to be carved,
643
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,600
you know,
"Patiently, waiting like sheep,"
644
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200
I think she described it as.
645
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,280
Here in this tiny area of Cornwall,
646
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,280
there have been more artists come to
live and work throughout the years.
647
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,760
Barbara Hepworth is undoubtedly
648
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,560
the greatest carver
working in the world today.
649
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,040
Hepworth had a massive sense
of community.
650
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,320
She really supported artists
when she first moved to Trewyn
651
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,400
and she also gave work, you know,
to the local community.
652
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,720
It says something about
her scale of ambition
653
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:53,360
and, you know,
at what point she was in her career,
654
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,600
she's operating
at an international level
655
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:01,080
from the far west of, you know,
southwest of the country.
656
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,280
You know,
that's an extraordinary thing!
657
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,440
As you know, I love St Ives so deeply
658
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,400
and I've met with every kindness
and warmth
659
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
the many years I've lived here.
660
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,200
And it's not only been
my physical home
661
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,720
but it's also been
my spiritual home.
662
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:28,520
And this means a tremendous amount
663
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:34,920
because you've made me,
I've always been part of it
664
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,640
but now you've made me part of it
665
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:43,200
and it will be an inspiration
every day I wake up
666
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,640
and go to work in the future.
667
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you.
668
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,360
"..showers will spread in
later tomorrow,
669
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,680
but visibility will remain
mainly good."
670
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,040
"In western areas,
from Cornwall to Cumberland,
671
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,520
winds will be southwest to west,
fresh or strong,
672
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,800
with occasional showers
and mostly good visibility."
673
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,000
"Now weather reports from
coastal stations for 22:00 hours."
674
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,200
"Accrington, south-southeast..."
675
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,200
(PHONE RINGS)
676
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,640
(RINGING CEASES)
677
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,800
Even in her time, you know, she was
never someone who became irrelevant.
678
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,280
She was always relevant.
679
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:05,840
But, also,
her work always aimed to bring...
680
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,680
..something about the present
681
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,760
with something that's universal
and eternal,
682
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,520
and I think that that's really why,
even today, you know,
683
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,600
it speaks to people very directly,
684
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:22,240
you know, this idea of interaction
with our physical surroundings.
685
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,480
The Figures in the Landscape
is as important to us now
686
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,160
and as integral to our experience
of the world
687
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,760
as it was in Hepworth's time.
688
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,800
When you look at Hepworth's
public standing, her reputation,
689
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,640
she was very successful
in her lifetime
690
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,120
but not as successful
as many artists of her stature.
691
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,920
I think, certainly,
she suffered from being shy,
692
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,560
being a woman, being insecure.
693
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Certainly,
when she represented Britain
694
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,840
in the Venice Biennale in 1950,
695
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,160
there's correspondents
in the British Council saying,
696
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,720
"It was really awkward."
697
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,800
"She didn't really want to
participate in the social side,"
698
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,800
whereas Henry Moore two years
earlier had been the life and soul.
699
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,040
You know,
and a lot of artistic success
700
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,280
is actually about
what you're like in public.
701
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,840
From the 19, the late '80s onwards,
I guess,
702
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,240
there's been a growing interest
in her art
703
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,520
because the art
can speak for itself.
704
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,680
I think there's a sensitivity
in Barbara Hepworth's work
705
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:29,600
that was the same, erm,
706
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:34,000
part of her work
that maybe was discarded formerly.
707
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,280
It's that same sensitivity
that there's a response to now.
708
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,600
I think we were still perhaps
in the period
709
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,440
where women weren't given
the real seriousness
710
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,240
that was instantly given to Henry
Moore, who was more of a showman -
711
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,040
he loved having loads of people
in his studio -
712
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,720
whereas Barbara,
absolutely instinctively,
713
00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:58,120
was a very private person,
714
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,000
that, plus being female
and plus still that period
715
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,760
when it wasn't natural to think
that a woman could carry...
716
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,520
..up to the top of the pit
717
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:13,440
of the phases of work involved
with being a sculptor,
718
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,120
erm, it was strange.
719
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,880
It was still quite a heave-ho
to get there.
720
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,200
I think Hepworth's work, you know,
has an enduring quality.
721
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,400
I have seen her work in exhibitions
722
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,240
that explore the prehistories
of modernism
723
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:36,640
and all of the kind of
historic ancient works,
724
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,200
I've seen her work shown
in cutting-edge contemporary shows,
725
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,760
and in every case she holds up.
726
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,360
There are many compromises
one often has to make.
727
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,200
Artists don't compromise.
728
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,320
It's... Their work is
an extremely personal statement
729
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,000
and you cannot compromise that.
730
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,200
I think that's the difference
between design and art.
731
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:08,520
I think that her influence
as an artist -
732
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,440
on artists since and even now -
733
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,640
I see students
that still look at her work
734
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:15,760
and are very influenced by her.
735
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,560
I wouldn't be where I am now
if it wasn't for Barbara Hepworth.
736
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:25,040
"I have enjoyed every morning
737
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,440
that I've wakened up...
738
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,960
..and been grateful
for the next dawn, the next spring."
739
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,760
"I think it's been
the most wonderful life."
740
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,680
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