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I believe every performer wants to steal
the show. Certainly,
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if you are on WrestleMania and your goal
is not to steal the show, you don't
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belong at WrestleMania.
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I watched his career, and for him to not
have that kind of moment at
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WrestleMania, it's criminal.
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I don't know. It's just not right.
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He's put himself through a lot to help
catapult and springboard talent who
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aren't possible.
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But nothing like this has been done at
WrestleMania on that mainstream stage.
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Fire, blood, exorbitant amounts of pain
can definitely make for a great bonding
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experience. I think it's probably the
most violent match in the history of
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WrestleMania.
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I knew that wouldn't be forgotten.
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Oh, my God, what's going to happen?
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Oh, my God!
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It's strange to smell your own skin
burning.
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We all good?
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I'll start off. What's the power of the
WrestleMania moment?
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All of this is Shawn Michaels' fault.
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Michaels, I think, really put a lot of
emphasis on that need to have a defining
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WrestleMania moment.
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You may be 16 -0 at WrestleMania, but I
am Mr.
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WrestleMania.
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And I started almost feeling like I
could hear the whispers behind my back,
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never had a magic WrestleMania moment.
So as far as I was concerned, I did not
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have that exclamation point, and I
needed it.
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Having a WrestleMania moment went from
some sort of abstract idea that
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fans were looking forward to and
wrestling nerds cared about and became a
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that the wrestlers themselves actually
cared about enough to ask for when they
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had microphones standing in the ring.
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I mean, WrestleMania VI for me, I
already knew I wanted to be a wrestler
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point. But I mean, just feeling the
electricity that day, it truly felt
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Like you could almost see it in the air.
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And I had just never experienced
something to that level, to that degree
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And I wanted it.
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The WrestleMania moment is trying to
catch lightning in a bottle because you
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know that moment, if you catch it, that
moment will be replayed well after
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you're gone.
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It will be a night forever etched in
history.
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A night heroes are created, careers are
defined, and legends will be born.
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Welcome to WrestleMania.
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Mick Foley knows how important
WrestleMania is.
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We look back at the WrestleMania card
every year. You know, the big moment
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matters more than the big moments that
happen on a random Monday night.
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The first time I saw Mick was in the
wrestling magazines.
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You know, the Bill Apter magazines, the
PWIs.
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Yeah, it was really as much as you could
be at the time without the Internet,
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you know, on the pulse of what was going
on around the wrestling world. So it
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was world -class championship wrestling,
and I'd see pictures.
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I just saw the cheetah boots and, you
know, the almost velvet letters and
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down the side. And I went, I don't know
what to make of this guy.
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And then as you start to see tape.
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And you start to see the promos and
start to see the different cadence and
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different way that he comes about a
wrestling promo.
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It was really intriguing.
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Fear's nothing new in my life, you
understand?
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My fear is okay.
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If you can put Jack this Jack down, then
you do it. And then you start to see
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what he does within the wrestling ring
and outside of it.
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And that's when I pretty quickly
realized that...
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There's a few screws that aren't
necessarily screwed all the way in.
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Deep down when I heard the screams, the
suffering, the agony, maybe, maybe deep
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down, I even loved it.
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Oh, my God.
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What about death matches really added to
your reputation?
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Oh, yeah, the death match.
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To this day in Japan, I'm not known as
the hardcore legend. I'm known as the
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king of the death match because of
something that I earned 25 years ago.
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That was a big part of my career, and it
was a big part of who I was when I came
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to WWE.
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WWE at the time was not featuring
matches of that nature, and I think, I
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nudged them.
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in that direction i hope and feel like i
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may have ushered hardcore into the
mainstream
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nick was such an interesting
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he was he was really almost the last of
the journeymen in terms of you know
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plying his trade everywhere and pulling
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From multiple resources and making it
this fondue pot of what
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Cactus Jack became.
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Because there's a little Bruiser Brody
in there.
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There's a little Terry Funk in there.
There's a little Abdullah the Butcher in
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there. But there's more than that, too.
And distinctly Mick in there as well.
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And that made this thing.
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that then becomes Mankind, that then
becomes Dude Love, that then becomes
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Jack again, that then just becomes Mick
Foley.
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There's truly no one like Mick Foley.
There is one Mick Foley, and that to me
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the ultimate compliment. No one else can
do what he did.
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And one thing that Foley and Edge have
in common is that they're both pro
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wrestling fans, first and foremost,
right? I mean, they'll put themselves,
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their bodies through all this
masochistic torture because they care
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wrestling.
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I was always struck by Edge's
earnestness.
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I'm not sure that that's the adjective
that people would use to describe his
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character as he progressed, but he
really, he loved wrestling.
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Oh, my God!
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He would do anything and everything it
took to be the best.
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And I got to see Edge really improve
step by step, almost week by week.
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And all of us guys sitting around the
monitor say, this guy's going to be a
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player in a very major way.
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Well, here we go.
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Again, the first ever tag team ladder
match in WWF history.
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Oh, yeah, you're right. Here we go.
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So I remember after the first tag team
ladder match with the
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Hardy Boys at No Mercy in Cleveland,
coming to the back and coming up to the
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four of us and saying, you guys, you did
it.
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That can't be taken away from you now.
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You just...
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Made yourselves superstars.
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He was just supportive.
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That can be really rare.
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And that's a lesson that I took with me.
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That I wanted to conduct myself like
that.
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Edge was my crony at that time. He
backed up everything I did with an
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laugh. We had something we called the
jumping white guy high five. I can't
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That was part of the allure of it.
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I think Mick and I clicked because we're
goofy.
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I think just that and riding roller
coasters and going to theme parks and,
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know, both of us I don't think ever
really fully grew up.
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And luckily, we found ourselves in a job
where you don't necessarily have to.
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It's almost a plus if you don't fully
lose some of your childhood wonder.
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I had come out of retirement in 2004.
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I had not wrestled in four years.
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And I teamed up with Dwayne The Rock
Johnson to take on Evolution at
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WrestleMania.
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So now at WrestleMania, I'm forced to
not only live up with what I actually
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in the past, but with the expectations
that people have for me. And it remains
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to be seen whether I can do that. But if
I didn't think I could, I wouldn't come
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back.
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It's three men versus two in this
handicapped tag team match.
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And here we go.
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It's been four years since he's been in
the ring.
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The Rock was out of this world.
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Ric Flair.
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The Pizza.
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Mandy Orton.
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They were all great.
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I just felt like I was lacking a little
bit. Taco King to WrestleMania 20.
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RKO. Beautiful.
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And Evolution wins it.
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Any time you feel like you wore out
physically and weren't able to give your
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best to the match, it's a little bit
disappointing.
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But I'm a firm believer in trying as
hard as you can and not dwelling on your
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failures.
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It's not like I was trying to live off
my past.
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But I'm going to go back on a bunch of
tapes and I'll see whether I deserve to
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be disappointed or not. I started
hearing the whispers. Whether they were
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or not, I don't know. But I heard them
nonetheless, the whispers that said,
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never had a magic WrestleMania moment.
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And it bothered me.
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Because he'd had so many moments, I
don't know, I guess I just kind of
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well, one of them had to have taken
place at WrestleMania.
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And then realizing it hadn't.
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Well, that's a gift.
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Because now I want to be a part of
helping give him his moment.
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The best matches take place when two
guys have...
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goals that work together.
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So for me, my goal was redemption.
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For Edge, his goal was to be recognized
as the greatest and biggest star in WWE.
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You know,
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I held the money in the bank for a long
time, finally cashed it in.
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is casting in and casting it in big
time.
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He got him.
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You felt it that night. Something
happened here.
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Ratings go up. The day after I won the
WWE title, over 25 million people got
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onto WWE .com.
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That means that I am the most watched
WWE champion of all time.
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Surely this has to start changing some
minds.
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His impression was, and here we go. I'm
going to be the champion. I am going to
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run with this, and we're going to run
this show. This guy is absolutely on top
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of the world.
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The following contestant is for the WWE
Championship.
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The champion, Ed, defending against the
former champion, John Cena.
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because I felt like I was doing
everything I could on my end, and I was
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motivated.
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And then in talking to Mick Foley, I
realized that he was just as motivated
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get that moment and to help me, to help
me solidify myself as a main event
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player here, to help me change the
perception in the fans' eyes.
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There was a perception that he was more
of a pretty boy, and I think in a lot of
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ways that translated as not tough
enough.
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There was still this question, because
Edge was such a handsome guy and because
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his character was kind of this
backstabbing, hyena -ish type character,
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might not have that level of fortitude.
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Crazy thing is, Edge, by every known
indicator, had proved his toughness.
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the ladders and tables matches he'd had
with the Hardys and the Dudleys, they
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were second to none. Oh, my God!
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And he and I both felt that we went all
out, that I could redeem myself and that
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he could establish himself as the guy in
WWE.
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So that's the perfect storm.
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I remember...
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This being one of the first things he
got excited about, again, to go, that's
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okay. If I'm not the champion, we're
going to still steal the show because we
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knew the three of us working together
was going to be magic.
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I believe Edge and I both separately
went to Mr. McMahon with the idea that
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could do something special together.
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Just a matter of putting those steps
into play.
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My feud with Edge started in a match he
had against John Cena. I was brought in
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as a special referee.
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The angle almost never happened because
there was a blizzard on Long Island
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where I lived.
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Mr. McMahon flew me in on a private
flight because things were being
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left and right. I absolutely had to be
there. There was no way to do this one
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over.
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That match was already scheduled. It was
going to take place with or without me,
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and he wanted to make sure I was there.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
your special guest referee, Mick Foley!
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So when he came back as the special
guest referee, it was fun to see him
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The last thing we were thinking about
was...
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You know, Cactus Jack was the deathmatch
scene. Those early days of Mick Foley
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that sort of put him on the map. Even
Hell in a Cell was in the rearview
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This was retirement era Mick Foley.
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Will Mick Foley call it right down the
middle?
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Cena versus Edge, who takes the WWE
Championship to WrestleMania?
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Edge went down in WWE history as a
transitional champion, and that is eaten
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his gut.
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Quick call by Mick Foley. And look at
it. He's about to snap.
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There's something about Russell the
Challenger.
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to go somewhere. It can't fault Edge.
Edge would never accept that. It has to
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someone else's fault.
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You cost me my dream of walking into
WrestleMania as the champion.
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Edge wants the title more than anything.
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He had it for three weeks. He tasted
that glory, and that's what the entire
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character of Edge is built toward.
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Sometimes stories don't need to be very
convoluted. They can be a very simple
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thing.
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So I'm going to make it real simple
because I know you only got one ear.
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Mick Foley versus Edge at WrestleMania.
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Edge, Edge, Edge.
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I'd like to challenge you to another
match.
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But there are... No disqualifications.
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You and me, Mick Foley and Edge at
WrestleMania in a hardcore match.
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There's just this chemical reaction when
we get microphones and stand across
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from each other. And that's something
that I was very excited about.
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You see, Mick Foley isn't the hardcore
legend anymore.
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Mick Foley has gone from being a
hardcore legend to a muppet.
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Muppet. I forgot about that.
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Yeah, I had become a Muppet. The
original Mankind character that I
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was extremely dark.
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And over the course of time, the
character had lightened up to the point
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it was almost Muppet -like. You are the
most overrated superstar in the history
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of this industry.
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Edge was bringing out the best in me.
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I realized exactly kind of what we had
backed ourselves into.
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And there was no turning back.
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Oh my gosh!
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What? Look at the food tax!
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Yeah!
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When I was thrown into the bed of tax
and tasted my own blood, I realized
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the blood was somehow different.
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There wasn't so much blood as it was
Chinese food.
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I remember Stephanie McMahon
specifically writing a line about
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Hours after tasting it, I was thirsty
for some more.
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Stephanie always had a good feeling for
my character, and I went with it, and it
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resonated as being real.
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But no, no, no, Hedge. I wasn't thirsty
for my own blood.
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I was thirsty for yours.
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You see, you've spoken the truth, but by
doing so, you've awoken something
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inside of me that was sleeping.
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Oh, if it looked like I was chewing bar
bar, I was chewing bar bar. I'll take
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that pain in order to get that visual.
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As a veteran, you never lose the ability
to reach down and find what's inside,
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and I think Foley has found it for
WrestleMania.
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One thing that has to be said is that
this match almost never happened at all.
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Mr. McMahon became involved in a match
with Shawn Michaels that was going to be
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a hardcore match.
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And it was suggested that Edge and I do
a steel cage instead.
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And I was okay with that. Like, I was
just a visitor coming back. And it was
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Edge who said, no, this is what we were
promised.
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This is what we're going to get. And he
went into Mr. McMahon's office by
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himself. It was around that time that I
had that realization.
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You know, I can't just be easygoing
Adam.
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If I want this, I got to fight for it.
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And I'm going to fight for every inch.
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Edge came out and said, we've got our
match.
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And looking back on it, Edge and I could
have had a really good cage match.
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But I don't think I'd be talking about
it today if Edge had not fought for what
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he believed in.
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There was always just an electricity to
the Rosemont. It was a great crowd. I
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mean, going back to my WCW days, I loved
working the Horizon, and it seemed like
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the fans in Chicago and the surrounding
area were Cactus Jack fans.
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They were always emotionally invested in
what I had to offer.
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I'm going to the bathroom.
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And a number one.
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And I had set my phone on the toilet
paper dispenser, and it started
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and fell into the toilet.
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So I went, okay, well, that phone's
toast.
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Seriously, the first thing I thought is
I just pissed on my phone.
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I'm not going to be able to call my mom
after.
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And she is going to be so mad at the
match itself, let alone if I don't
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call her.
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So, yeah.
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I remember standing in catering and just
having this conversation, but knowing
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in just a few hours what I was going to
be doing.
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While I'm thinking of it, can I tell you
about the pre -match ritual? So I had
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this particular...
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song I would listen to by Tori Amos, a
song called Winter.
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There's a line that says, when are you
going to love you as much as I do? And
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there's something about that line that
makes me feel like I'm capable of being
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stronger and tougher and braver than I
could ever be without it. It was really
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magical effect on me. And I listened to
this song like five or six times in a
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row to a point where I was almost in a
trance. I mean, a very, very famous
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wrestler just looked at me and said,
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remind me not to F with you, because it
takes a dangerous man to listen and get
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inspired by Winter from Tori Amos. But I
felt like I was in another world, like
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I was almost on a cloud. And I remember
walking up to Edge and Lita, and it was
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the strangest thing that's ever come out
of my mouth. I looked at them, I said,
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I think we should say a prayer for our
safety out there tonight.
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And we all held hands, we closed our
eyes, and then we went out there and did
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things that would have gotten us
arrested in most parts of the world.
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Introducing first, from Toronto, Canada,
weighing in at 250 pounds, Ed!
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I was incredibly nervous leading into
that match.
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Can the father of four once again dig
deep inside himself and find the evil
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of a... who left it here in Germany,
left burning flesh in Japan, left
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of blood on five continents? I wasn't
nearly as confident.
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in my training as I was in 2004,
hovering right around 300 pounds.
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I didn't know how much I had in the gas
tank. I really didn't know.
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But I was going to put it all out there.
I needed great.
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I needed somebody to make me great that
night.
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I needed something to remind me of who I
was. I had to jolt myself almost into
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an alternate reality where I'm not a
kind, benevolent human being, but I'm
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Cactus Jack. I'm the hardcore legend
Mick Foley.
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And on that night, it was a really solid
cookie sheet to the side of the head
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and face.
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Once I took that, ta -da, here I am.
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I am Mick after Foley.
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One
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thing
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you don't have to worry about when
you're wrestling Mick Foley, you don't
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to have any worry that your opponent
isn't going to be able to create
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He's measuring for Foley for that spear.
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He's going to make short work of Mick
Foley here.
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Edge is looking to end this matchup.
Could be this early on. He hit it. He
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it. The spear.
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And Mick, he just, like, he had this
idea.
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If you speared me and I was wrapped in
barbed wire, that's my counter to the
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spear.
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And that, to me, was ingenious. You
know, we got the ball rolling with that.
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Working with barbed wire on my waist was
a little bit limiting.
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I guess I need to give a credit to Bret
the Hitman Hart, who had done something
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similar with, I think, a 10 - or 25
-pound weight that warded off the spear
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Bill Goldberg in WCW. So I definitely
give a tip of my cap to the Hitman for
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that idea.
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Oh, my God, no wonder!
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He blew it mid to touch ball! Look at
his shoulder.
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People got it right away.
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Anytime I wrestled the red and black
final, I became Cactus Jack.
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For
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me,
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Barbie was not just a weapon.
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It was a friend.
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So when I brought it out, it was like it
wasn't just an object. It was the
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object of my affection.
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Oh, no.
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Now look at Lita. There she goes once
again.
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Always the difference maker, Lita.
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I would say the most dangerous part of
that match was having Lita on my
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back when I clotheslined Edge over the
top rope.
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So I kind of perfected this art of just
ragdolling. Once the tumble happens,
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just stay loose and get out of the way.
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I knew it was a cool move.
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I wasn't thinking about my safety. I was
thinking about that being a
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WrestleMania moment.
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When I was rewatching this match right
before I came over here, I pulled my
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into the room.
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When Mick Foley does the cactus
clothesline, clothesline's edge over the
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rope with Alita on his back.
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That got more of a reaction from my
wife. Sort of terrifying and just
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awesome at the same time.
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This was a different match in that it
almost felt like
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the audience was worried.
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You could feel those moments where you
were pushing the crowd.
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just to the edge and slightly past their
comfort zone.
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And yes, it's entertainment.
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And yes, it's all of those things. But
these two maybe aren't wired correctly.
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And it's the fine, delicate dance that
this is.
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Lita just pointed out that that barbed
wire cover bet was still in the ring.
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Ah, there are some times you just have
to grin and bear it.
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That's not something I would do on a
house show, but it's WrestleMania.
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There's no doubt the barbed wire hurts,
but you're also aware that the reaction
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is phenomenal.
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That this is going to leave an
indentation in my head, but that will be
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The reaction will last forever.
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It may not be the WrestleMania moment
that Nick Foley wanted.
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It was kind of an air of showmanship to
just the unveiling of
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the different things we used so that
each object would get bigger and better
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more menacing.
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There's just a crescendo of reactions.
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Thousands of thumbtacks!
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Thousands of thumbtacks! Could it be
time for some extreme acupuncture? I
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Wile E. Coyote had a better conversion
rate with Acme products than I had with
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thumbtacks. But the big surprise here is
that they did not backfire. Like, they
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backfired on Edge when he tried to use
them against me. Oh, take a look at
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A lot of that match hurt in ways that
wrestling
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doesn't usually hurt.
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Thumbtacks in the back of your head.
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I've never had thumbtacks in my kneecaps
before.
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You can't explain what it feels like to
land in a bed of thumbtacks.
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I think the closest analogy I can think
of is, you know, jump off a cliff into
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the ocean, maybe 30 feet in the air and
land on your back.
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Maybe that covers it.
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You just become a pain -infected pit
-touching king!
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Mr. Sacco was always a great pop, but it
was a momentary, fleeting pop.
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It's Mr.
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Sacco time!
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And in this time, we get that response,
and all of a sudden, I go with the
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barbed wire, and we just take it up to
another level.
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May not be hardcore, but it's effective!
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Okay, now it's hardcore!
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There was a lot of really fun elements,
strangely, in this. You know, you have
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Mr. Soccer, which is this fun thing, but
you take this fun thing and make it
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barbaric.
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Oral surgery being performed by the man,
Dr. Mick Foley!
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A sweatshop with barbed wire isn't the
first thing you want to sign up for in
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the hardcore match.
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But always wanting to be one of the
boys, and if you can do it, I can do it.
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only seemed fair that if Edge was going
to get the barbed wire mandible claw
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that I had to take part as well.
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Yeah, barbed wire is no fun.
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The barbed wire back to the stomach was
pretty bad.
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That was not fun.
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It hurt much less to the back.
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Mick was a proponent of, I mean, it's
got to be barbed wire.
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Okay, sure.
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I didn't really think anything of it.
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It was things that when you're in the
heat of the moment, yeah, you're all in
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and you're doing it. And you have to be.
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Because otherwise there's no way you can
pull it off.
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Every hardcore match at its base.
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is a contest of, like, who is willing to
put themselves through the most pain,
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through the most agony.
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In WrestleMania 22, I mean, that was
almost literally the story they were
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telling.
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Can't get any worse than this bridge.
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We say holy... You know, obviously that
comes from a very organic place.
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Uh -oh, Nick Foley now.
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That may have come too soon.
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Foley seems to have turned his attention
on that table.
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Mick Foley goes out to the ring apron
and starts spraying lighter fluid on
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table, right? So he is there saying,
everybody look right here.
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It was set up at exactly the right place
where everybody could see it.
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Watch it, Mick!
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You cannot have any part in a hardcore
match if you don't bring it.
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Lita is a real unsung hero because she
knew...
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the tempo of pro wrestling. She knew how
to pull off these moves. She had
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everything, everything, including the
fact that the crowd hated her with a
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passion to make her maybe the most
compelling heel manager of all time. I
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that saying a lot. She wasn't Bobby the
Brain Heenan on the microphone.
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She wasn't Paul Heyman with the facial
expressions.
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But pound for pound... When it comes to
all of the managers in WWE history
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swinging a barbed wire bat at somebody's
groin, I want no one other than Lita
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doing this.
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Oh, my God.
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Here we go.
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When I lit the table, I was like, oh,
God, that's really hot.
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I had to fight through what I was really
feeling inside, which was, holy, I hope
455
00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:42,360
my friends are going to be OK.
456
00:34:49,130 --> 00:34:54,929
Honestly, even until I was running
towards Mick, it didn't all fully kind
457
00:34:54,929 --> 00:34:55,929
land in my brain.
458
00:34:56,370 --> 00:35:02,070
And it was as I was hitting the ropes
and coming back and realizing, huh, he's
459
00:35:02,070 --> 00:35:04,790
got a lot of clothes on. I don't have
really any on.
460
00:35:05,490 --> 00:35:08,810
I sweated off most of the flame
retardant gel.
461
00:35:11,590 --> 00:35:14,330
I'm going backwards into the great
unknown.
462
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080
I mean, I know on a certain level this
is going to hurt.
463
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:22,040
There's going to be a great deal of heat
involved, but I don't know how bad it's
464
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:22,718
going to be.
465
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:27,940
Edge, even more precariously, is coming
full barrel through those ropes.
466
00:35:28,180 --> 00:35:34,000
I just remember making contact with Mick
and burying my head in his body as much
467
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,940
as I could because I thought, well, if
my arms get burnt, that's one thing.
468
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,100
But I really don't want to burn my face.
469
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:44,380
Oh, my God.
470
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:59,490
I'm not sure that anybody who has not
experienced that high, that pop,
471
00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:01,210
can fully understand it.
472
00:36:07,690 --> 00:36:10,730
That was really awe -inspiring. It
really was.
473
00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:16,590
As I'm crawling over to pin Mick, I'm
looking at my arm because it's smoking.
474
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:19,990
And... That...
475
00:36:21,260 --> 00:36:22,740
does something to your brain.
476
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:29,420
When I crawled over, I pulled the
shoulder back and I put my arm over top
477
00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:30,420
Michael and I loved him.
478
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,780
With Edge whispering, I love you in my
ear as the three count was made, I felt
479
00:36:44,780 --> 00:36:46,740
this giant weight lifted off my
shoulders.
480
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:53,070
And I was like, I really remember
thinking to myself, I did it. I did it.
481
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:54,730
my magic WrestleMania moment.
482
00:36:56,530 --> 00:37:00,350
You know, blood was in my eyeballs.
Everything is yellow.
483
00:37:01,250 --> 00:37:07,890
There's so many emotions and so much,
again, adrenaline dump.
484
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:11,890
All kind of leaving and you're shaking
and again, everything is yellow and
485
00:37:11,890 --> 00:37:15,760
you're... Kind of getting your bearings,
and you can even see me doing that,
486
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,900
just trying to get my bearings, all
while Amy's pulling thumbtacks out of my
487
00:37:21,900 --> 00:37:24,300
back as we're walking up the ramp.
488
00:37:24,940 --> 00:37:30,780
And I just remember getting to the top
of the ramp and going, I need to turn
489
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:31,780
around.
490
00:37:31,900 --> 00:37:38,080
That one visual can tell that tale of
the war that just happened.
491
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,780
And also, if I'm looking at it from the
arc of the character of Edge, that he
492
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:47,380
went through that, look out.
493
00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:49,840
This is going to be the springboard.
494
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,960
I was wearing a crimson mask.
495
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,760
I'll just go out on a limb and say I did
not dislike it.
496
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:14,500
I'm sorry. There's something really
satisfying about it. I was very happy.
497
00:38:14,500 --> 00:38:15,500
that's a legit smile.
498
00:38:15,820 --> 00:38:18,320
There was no feigning happiness.
499
00:38:19,100 --> 00:38:21,600
I mean, it's clear that I'd been through
a lot.
500
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,300
I know special when I feel it. I know
special when I see it.
501
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,760
I saw it in Edge. I felt it in myself.
502
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,960
And I think history has proved us
correct.
503
00:38:47,150 --> 00:38:53,450
So I just remember getting back and
saying, can someone call my mom and just
504
00:38:53,450 --> 00:38:54,149
her know?
505
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:55,150
Everything's good.
506
00:38:56,010 --> 00:39:02,510
I just remember feeling almost
507
00:39:02,510 --> 00:39:08,490
guilty. These two guys had just been
through a full on battle and we're going
508
00:39:08,490 --> 00:39:10,150
be feeling the repercussions.
509
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:12,710
from the choices they made in that
match.
510
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:20,610
And then in talking to Mick, finding out
511
00:39:20,610 --> 00:39:24,790
how concerned his wife was about me and
not him.
512
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:33,070
I had an agreement with my wife that I
would call home after every big pay -per
513
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:35,390
-view match because I've been known to
do some extreme things.
514
00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:39,870
And I'm waiting to be showered with
sympathy. And the first thing my wife
515
00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:41,010
is, Is that your K?
516
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:44,910
What do you mean, is that your K?
517
00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:46,150
What about me?
518
00:39:46,270 --> 00:39:48,250
What about me? Look at these shoes down
here.
519
00:39:48,910 --> 00:39:51,670
Pat Patterson autographed shoes. That's
for a rib.
520
00:39:52,350 --> 00:39:57,250
Pat Patterson autographed. One, two,
three, four, five, six.
521
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:59,090
Can we put another one in?
522
00:40:00,290 --> 00:40:01,290
No.
523
00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:03,010
Not that vain.
524
00:40:03,830 --> 00:40:05,790
Vic, you did what you wanted to do.
Thanks, Pat.
525
00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:08,130
How's it going, bud?
526
00:40:08,190 --> 00:40:10,890
Awesome. There's a smell of forearm hair
burning.
527
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:12,630
A little bit of skin as well.
528
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:15,890
You go take a shower. Thank you. Come
back and put some new sport on.
529
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:19,670
Okay. All right, now let's go to the
edge. I'm not due. It's not shower day
530
00:40:19,690 --> 00:40:20,810
Doc. It's Tuesday.
531
00:40:21,650 --> 00:40:24,710
You know what? Tuesday. You want to stay
like that because the clot is good?
532
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:28,070
Yes. But I'll be kind of gross going to
the WrestleMania party like this, won't
533
00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:30,510
I? You can sit next to me. I'll sit
there.
534
00:40:31,090 --> 00:40:34,190
It burned.
535
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,040
It's still kicking.
536
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,980
And it can turn work, but it's going to
blister.
537
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,060
Yeah, it's already blistering. So this
is a second -degree burn.
538
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,960
And you can, if I touch it, does it hurt
you? Yeah.
539
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,960
So as long as you feel it, it's a second
degree. When you can't feel it, that's
540
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:53,960
a third -degree burn.
541
00:40:55,020 --> 00:40:59,800
And again, it's almost like all of that
adrenaline dumps out and you're
542
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,800
exhausted.
543
00:41:01,930 --> 00:41:05,410
I remember walking in the dressing room,
and Taker was in there, and he looked
544
00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:05,908
up at me.
545
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:07,370
All right?
546
00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:08,870
Yeah.
547
00:41:09,230 --> 00:41:10,230
Okay.
548
00:41:11,830 --> 00:41:15,210
Okay. All that drama, that's done with
it.
549
00:41:17,950 --> 00:41:23,830
Knowing that Edge and I created that
moment together, knowing that I have
550
00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:28,850
exclamation point at the end of my
career, means I can appreciate it every
551
00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:29,850
single day.
552
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:36,960
It means that WrestleMania season
doesn't come with a cloud hanging over
553
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:43,940
me, that I can look myself in the mirror
and realize that 15 years
554
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,860
ago I looked destiny in the eye and I
did not blink.
555
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:50,960
It's your fault, Mac.
556
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,760
They're still stuck with me because of
you.
557
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:58,480
No, I am more than anything. I don't
think.
558
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,700
I don't think he can be said enough for
so many reasons.
559
00:42:06,500 --> 00:42:08,640
I'm always going to be thankful for Mick
Foley.
560
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,000
The person he is, the talent he is.
561
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:14,780
I knew what we did.
562
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:23,540
I also knew how giving Mick was at that
stage in his career to
563
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:28,700
go out there and try and knock all of
the aches and pains aside.
564
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,460
To, yes, give himself that moment, but
he also wanted me to be where I wanted
565
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:37,640
be because he felt I deserved that too.
566
00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:44,580
And when you both work towards something
like that and put yourselves through
567
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:50,180
something like that, that's a bond that
you don't share with anyone else.
568
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:57,940
And that is one of those things that for
the rest of our lives, we see each
569
00:42:57,940 --> 00:42:59,300
other, we have that together.
570
00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:10,470
Adam, thank you very much for being part
of the greatest hardcore match ever.
51492
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