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[Eric] I had no idea how big
it was going to be.
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I didn't know what the
NWO was about to become.
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That leg drop was
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WCW's lift off
into the future.
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If you want surprises,
this is where you come.
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Our show is live,
and you never know
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what's gonna
happen here.
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We were the #1 cable
rated show forever.
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The NWO!
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We already knew that
we were running thin.
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[Laughing]
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And I think it showed.
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Did I like it?
Fuck no!
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[Konnan]
Bro, 40,000 people,
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and that's what
you're giving them?
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You can't pretend that
people weren't mad.
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[Bret] Idiots everywhere.
It's just...
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mindboggling.
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[Brad] Whenever you're
leading a night,
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and now you're not
leading a night,
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there is reason
for concern.
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[Commentary] WCW is
literally unraveling here.
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[Eric] My wife, she looked
at me like,
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"What are you doing here?"
And I said...
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"I got fired."
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Before our very eyes,
it's falling apart.
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Ted Turner hired idiots to
run a billion-dollar company
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and, that was
his mistake.
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[Overlapping voices]
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You cannot sweep this
under the rug!
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...this is a ----ing
television show.
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...and I don't understand
what he's doing.
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The real reason
men commit lies...
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♪ [Extended flatlining beep] ♪
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♪ [Dramatic instrumental] ♪
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A lot of changes,
ladies and gentlemen,
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at World Championship
Wrestling...
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over the last 36 hours.
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♪
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WCW was one of many things
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that I was responsible for,
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and it was the thing
that I liked the least.
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[Match bell ringing]
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Eric is not,
is not there anymore.
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You know, he was the glue
that held it together.
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I was running it
at this point.
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I didn't want to run it.
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And I wanted somebody
to run it for me.
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And a little bit different...
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And, Bill Busch was the guy
who was sort of in place
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as an interim when Eric
was no longer there.
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And, he was the acting COO,
in a sense.
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About a month after
Eric had departed,
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Bill Busch makes his first
major move in running the
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day-to-day operations
of the company,
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which is securing
the services of the
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WWF's creative team.
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Busch, he called me
and said,
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"We've made the best
hiring decision ever."
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♪
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He said,
"We hired Vince Russo."
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Bischoff was gone, and
I remember Bill Busch
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telling me they were gonna
bring Vince Russo in.
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He supposedly was
some kind of...
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genius, and now we've
lured him from WWF,
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and now we've
got their genius.
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When Vince Russo made the
jump to WCW to run
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that entire ship,
I remember thinking...
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Good for him, great.
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This is the world of
professional wrestling.
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This shit happens
all the time.
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♪
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I was excited when I heard
Vince was coming in.
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♪
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Good. Finally, like,
something new here.
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I heard that he was a genius.
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♪
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Why would Vince Russo want to
leave the WWF and come here?
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♪
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I had a degree in journalism,
and I started freelancing
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for the WWF magazine,
where I started writing
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maybe about two
articles a month.
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I would sit in while they
were writing the television,
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and it was so bad that
I started writing
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my own angles in the
magazine that had
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nothing to do
with the TV show.
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And, I get a call from
Vince McMahon's assistant.
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[Phone ringing]
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"Vince wants to see you up
in his office immediately."
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It wasn't
even 9 o'clock yet.
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He had the WWE Raw
Magazine in his hand.
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And said,
"This is what our
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television show
needs to be."
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I was absolutely shocked.
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It got to the point
where I was the
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head writer of the show.
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Then I get to work
with Ed Ferrara
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who was a bonafide
television writer!
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Just- it was real.
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It was real.
You believed it.
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There was a sense of danger,
like you almost had to
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watch it because
you didn't know
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what they were
going to do next.
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I was definitely influenced
by what WCW was doing
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at the time, without a
shadow of a doubt.
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We were head-to-head,
and you had
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a lot of people switching
back and forth,
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back and forth,
back and forth.
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So, the idea is,
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you do not give them
the opportunity
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to change that channel,
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because once they
change that channel,
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if something good
is happening on Nitro,
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they're never coming
back to your show.
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It's hard to argue with
the objective data,
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which show that the WWF
actually enjoyed
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a tripling of its revenues.
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The television ratings
went from being anemic to
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skyrocketing to levels people
didn't think of before.
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Absolutely sold out!
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The company was selling
out arenas left and right.
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And, Vince Russo was
the head writer of
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the WWF during
that time frame.
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...Excuse me while
I kiss the sky.
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The Summer Of Love...
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Vince McMahon was starting
another show, Smack Down,
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and he had pushed me
creatively
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beyond my limits.
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I had three small kids.
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I wasn't seeing them at all.
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I honestly believe I was
on the verge of
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a nervous breakdown.
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♪
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He just expected Ed and
I to write a second show,
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never offered
any more money.
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And, bro, it's like I was
building such a close,
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tight bond, relationship
with Vince that
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I started asking myself
the question...
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"Does this guy care about me
as much as I do about him?
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Or am I the cash cow
that's writing his show?"
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I was so burnt out,
I broke down and
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I cried in Vince's office,
okay.
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And right then and there-
I went right to
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my office and called
my WCW connection.
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He made the decision,
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what's best for him
and his family,
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and he went after
an opportunity
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to go down to WCW,
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and you're handed
the entire book.
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Write the story.
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There was an awful lot of
enthusiasm at that time that
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this could be what's
needed to give WCW
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the shot in the arm
that it needed.
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It's a brand-new
Monday Nitro!
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I looked at WCW as
a great challenge,
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and what I saw here was
I saw a whole breed
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of a new blood
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that was stuck
somewhere in the middle
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because for
whatever reason,
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they couldn't break that
"establishment".
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And listen, man, the day I
walked into that locker room,
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I had every mid-carder
coming up to me.
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I had never met
them before.
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Bro, I'm talking about
like the Malenkos.
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Benoits...
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And the Konnan.
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Unsettling!
Here he comes back!
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Juventuds and all
these great people.
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Man, those guys- ah,
the Rey Mysterios,
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Ultimo Dragons,
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all those lucha guys
that came in and...
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pushing each other
to be the best,
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pushed me to
another level.
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We gon' turn
this motha out!
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Now can you dig it?
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There wasn't anybody better
in terms of ring skills
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than the mid-carders so,
you know, I think there was
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more talent there than
people gave them credit for.
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And, I remember
locking eyes
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with Hogan the first time.
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The red and yellow!
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You gotta understand,
when you're a New Yorker,
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there's like a sixth sense.
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Like, you just know
he did not trust me, bro,
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as far as he could throw me,
and he was not gonna
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believe one word
that I said.
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And I'm gonna come out and
say it- and I've never
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said this publicly before-
no doubt in my mind
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Bischoff was responsible
for a little of this.
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I am partially responsible
for costing Eric his job.
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Eric is gone,
but Eric's boys,
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the people that he took
care of and made rich,
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were not in tune with
what Russo wanted.
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Don't wake a
sleeping giant.
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I was always a
fan of Vince's.
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I just told him, like,
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"You ain't in
Kansas anymore."
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Like, this ain't WWE.
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1, 2, 3!
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This is some
fucked up shit.
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[Shouting]
Goldberg! Goldberg!
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I had an absolute great
plan, and if you go back and
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watch the first 3 months,
you'll see it.
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And, at that time,
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Jerry Springer was so hot,
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so we always had that
on in the background,
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and what was
Jerry Springer?
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It was controversy with
characters and storyline.
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That's what the show was.
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And basically, that's what
we needed to do.
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He hit him
with a mummy!
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Vince Russo's program,
everything was quick.
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Boom, boom, boom, boom.
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I tried to stay positive,
I was very hopeful.
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But it definitely was a shift
from a more laid back
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sort of atmosphere,
and it's more electrified
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and, louder, faster,
that sort of thing.
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[Indistinct shouting]
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It definitely was a shift.
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[Grunting]
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[Vince]
I know the numbers!
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The numbers are
on the internet!
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And in those three months,
the numbers went up-
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slightly-
but they went up.
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To me, it wasn't about
wrestling at that point.
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It was lots of T&A.
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Woo! Alright!
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[Dick] He took us in a
direction that
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even corporate
didn't like.
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Watch it, Billy.
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This is family hour!
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It had a little positive
effect on the ratings,
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but not much.
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Certainly made it
not advertiser friendly.
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Crowbar.
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[Vince]
My job was to
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make this show the
absolute best that
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I thought it could be,
and to make this show
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to not just please
wrestling fans,
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but to be appealing to an
entire wrestling audience.
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[Konnan]
His thing was like,
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we already have a
wrestling audience.
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Let's get the audience that
isn't watching wrestling.
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But bro, if you're a casual
fan and you're watching
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Judy Bagwell on
a pole match.
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...high above the ring
on the forklift now!
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Why would you want
to watch that,
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or a pinata match,
or whatever?
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He's got the pinata!
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This is not WCW.
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This is a comedy act.
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...meatballs, and we're
gonna do it all night.
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[Booker T] I don't think it
was for the fans.
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It seemed like,
you know,
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he was entertaining
himself.
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Hey, boys!
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[Indistinct chatter]
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[Indistinct shouting]
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Vince Russo was
just another idiot.
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He's a shit stain.
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And I always thought
in the back of my mind
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that he was there to
lead to our ultimate demise.
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[Evil voice] When does
our journey begin?
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On the 7th night.
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Maybe a good theory that
Vince Russo had
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decent success at WWE
because Vince McMahon
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was there to pick out
what was good and,
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keep that and throw away
what was bad.
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[Indistinct shouting]
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And then, Vince Russo
comes in and,
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he doesn't have that buffer,
or he doesn't have
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that person
telling him no.
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Never do that!
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[Kevin] The whole group of
people in the office
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thought he had gone too far
down the road,
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away from
where WCW was.
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[Vince] Listen, man,
the one thing
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I really started
noticing was
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every time I turned
around, JJ Dylan,
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and Kevin Sullivan
were having sidebars.
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And as soon as
I looked at them, boom,
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now the politics are
rearing their ugly head.
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So, Busch calls me
into his office.
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He said, "Vince,
we're thinking of
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going in a direction.
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We're gonna go more
into a, ah, committee,
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and we want you to be
part of a committee."
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And bro, without missing
a beat, I said, "Bill...
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I got a contract.
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The contract states that
I am head of creative.
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I am not interested in any
of your committees."
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I said, "So, I am
going to go home,
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and you guys
can figure out
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how you're
gonna pay me."
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And that was
the end of it,
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and I, I went home,
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and they continued
to pay me.
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Sullivan.
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I just thought it was
such a complete change.
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When he first left,
I said,
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"We're gonna get
back to wrestling."
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Hey guys...
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Benoit,
Perry Saturn,
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Dean Malenko,
Eddie Guerrero.
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When those guys
showed up at TV and
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I wasn't there,
the undercard...
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they went absolutely ballistic,
because they knew.
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They went to work one day,
and Vince isn't here.
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They knew.
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They, they knew
what had happened.
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They were such an
intricate part of the show.
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But, they weren't
Nash, Hall,
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Hogan, Macho Man.
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They could've been.
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But, they weren't.
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So, in an effort to try to
make it up to those guys and
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calm everybody down,
Sullivan made the decision
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to put the
belt on Benoit.
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Let's get the official
word if we can!
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I remember at that TV taping,
they asked for their release,
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and Bill Busch said,
"Yes, you can go."
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Not realizing exactly
where they were going.
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It was a Monday night.
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I'm sitting in the restaurant
having dinner with my wife,
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and on the screens,
I could see that
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Monday Night Raw was on.
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And I see Eddie, Dean, and
Chris, and Perry Saturn,
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00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:56,268
and I thought, wow,
WCW have hit rock bottom.
329
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If those guys are jumping
ship, it's inevitable.
330
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[Indistinct shouting]
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And,
I said to my wife,
332
00:14:05,444 --> 00:14:07,813
"Knowing Turner
the way I do,
333
00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:10,950
how much do you want to bet
they're gonna call me and
334
00:14:10,983 --> 00:14:12,651
ask me to come back?"
335
00:14:19,058 --> 00:14:20,626
[Commentary]
I cannot believe it!
336
00:14:20,659 --> 00:14:23,696
15 days after Chris Benoit
wins the WCW
337
00:14:23,729 --> 00:14:26,465
World Heavyweight title,
he appears on
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Monday Night Raw in
the front row with
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00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,736
the heart of the
WCW mid card-
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00:14:30,803 --> 00:14:32,204
Eddie Guerrero,
Dean Malenko,
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00:14:32,238 --> 00:14:34,006
and Perry Saturn.
342
00:14:34,039 --> 00:14:36,008
Keep in mind that those
defections had been
343
00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:37,877
happening the other way
for the longest time.
344
00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:39,478
Well, now the
opposite is happening,
345
00:14:39,511 --> 00:14:43,482
but it's especially damaging
to WCW because
346
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these are characters,
and these are wrestlers,
347
00:14:46,752 --> 00:14:48,854
who have their best
years ahead of them.
348
00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,422
It was a big deal.
349
00:14:50,489 --> 00:14:53,092
When those four guys
walked out- Ooh.
350
00:14:53,158 --> 00:14:56,095
The silent hush heard
around the world.
351
00:14:56,161 --> 00:14:58,163
[Indistinct commentary]
...on top!
352
00:14:58,197 --> 00:14:59,765
You knew that was big.
353
00:14:59,832 --> 00:15:02,368
You knew that
was a big move.
354
00:15:02,401 --> 00:15:05,404
I think the office was like,
"Fuck those guys," you know,
355
00:15:05,437 --> 00:15:07,339
"we don't need 'em."
And I was like, bro,
356
00:15:07,373 --> 00:15:10,009
if they would've let
Eddie, and Benoit,
357
00:15:10,042 --> 00:15:11,744
and all these people...
358
00:15:11,777 --> 00:15:15,080
do programs as
the guys on top...
359
00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:17,716
we might still be in business.
360
00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,519
[Vince] The ratings plummeted
after I left.
361
00:15:20,552 --> 00:15:22,354
Sullivan's in charge...
362
00:15:22,388 --> 00:15:25,291
Boom. We hit rock
bottom again.
363
00:15:25,357 --> 00:15:27,693
All the decisions
went through me,
364
00:15:27,726 --> 00:15:30,696
and I think somebody
suggested bringing Eric back.
365
00:15:30,729 --> 00:15:33,399
Since my relationship
with Eric was always good,
366
00:15:33,432 --> 00:15:36,635
and we had a successful
formula that was working
367
00:15:36,702 --> 00:15:38,971
when we were working
together on it.
368
00:15:39,038 --> 00:15:41,774
So, I think the idea
of bringing Eric back,
369
00:15:41,807 --> 00:15:43,776
being involved as either a
consultant or whatever
370
00:15:43,809 --> 00:15:47,980
he was, seemed like a
good idea at the time.
371
00:15:48,047 --> 00:15:49,982
So, I went back to Brad, said,
"Okay, here's the deal.
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00:15:50,049 --> 00:15:51,417
Write me a new contract.
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00:15:51,450 --> 00:15:52,718
I don't want to be
an employee,
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00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:54,453
because you guys are crazier
now than you were
375
00:15:54,486 --> 00:15:58,657
when I left. I'll, you know,
report to you, nobody else."
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00:15:58,724 --> 00:16:01,226
That was my deal and,
and they took it.
377
00:16:01,260 --> 00:16:04,063
And, Brad said,
"Do you think-
378
00:16:04,096 --> 00:16:07,399
Would you mind,
before we make a decision,
379
00:16:07,433 --> 00:16:09,401
meet with Vince Russo
and decide if you think
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00:16:09,435 --> 00:16:11,837
you can work with him."
381
00:16:11,904 --> 00:16:13,672
[Vince] I never thought
it would work.
382
00:16:13,739 --> 00:16:16,308
But, Brad Siegel
said to me-
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00:16:16,342 --> 00:16:18,143
here's what he said:
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00:16:18,177 --> 00:16:22,181
"I want you to work
with Eric Bischoff."
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00:16:22,247 --> 00:16:25,751
Brad Siegel never
said to me at any time,
386
00:16:25,784 --> 00:16:29,288
"Eric is your boss.
Eric is in charge of you.
387
00:16:29,321 --> 00:16:31,357
Eric has the final say,"
so I don't know what
388
00:16:31,423 --> 00:16:34,827
he had to say to get Eric
aboard. I have no idea.
389
00:16:34,860 --> 00:16:37,162
My job was to
oversee Vince.
390
00:16:37,196 --> 00:16:39,531
That's what I was hired
to do by Brad Siegel.
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00:16:39,598 --> 00:16:42,167
My job definition was
overseeing Vince Russo
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00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:44,203
and the creative process.
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00:16:44,269 --> 00:16:46,372
♪
394
00:16:46,438 --> 00:16:48,874
You know, my memories of
exactly what happened
395
00:16:48,941 --> 00:16:50,943
are really sketchy.
396
00:16:50,976 --> 00:16:54,146
But if Eric came back,
I had to approve it.
397
00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:56,648
[Eric] Look, I have a pretty
strong opinion
398
00:16:56,682 --> 00:16:58,217
about Vince,
professionally.
399
00:16:58,283 --> 00:17:01,620
But as a person,
he's a charming guy.
400
00:17:01,653 --> 00:17:04,456
And, I thought,
I can make this work.
401
00:17:04,490 --> 00:17:07,659
[Cheering]
402
00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:10,729
What?! No way!
403
00:17:10,796 --> 00:17:13,132
Vince Russo and I
404
00:17:13,165 --> 00:17:17,036
have more in common
than anybody knows.
405
00:17:17,069 --> 00:17:19,038
When I got back to WCW,
406
00:17:19,071 --> 00:17:21,540
in many respects,
it was worse.
407
00:17:21,573 --> 00:17:23,675
[Indistinct commentary]
408
00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:25,177
#69! Oh!
409
00:17:25,210 --> 00:17:27,379
The stuff! Two points!
410
00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:29,081
[Off-screen] I'm gonna show you
just like a couple of clips.
411
00:17:29,148 --> 00:17:30,749
You're gonna be watching it,
and then just any
412
00:17:30,816 --> 00:17:33,719
commentary, reactions,
memories, stories.
413
00:17:33,752 --> 00:17:35,521
Anything that
comes to mind.
414
00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:37,089
What was your
thoughts on this?
415
00:17:37,156 --> 00:17:39,091
[Vince] But Kevin, I've gotta
ask you a question.
416
00:17:39,158 --> 00:17:41,093
How many brain cells
417
00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,696
have you burnt over
the years, Kevin?
418
00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:47,399
I remember they were trying
to drop that blood on me.
419
00:17:47,433 --> 00:17:49,501
They missed like 19 times.
420
00:17:49,535 --> 00:17:51,103
Now what?
421
00:17:51,170 --> 00:17:54,339
[Audience screaming]
422
00:17:54,373 --> 00:17:58,610
You know what?
Take that clip...
423
00:17:58,677 --> 00:18:00,846
and show it
424
00:18:00,879 --> 00:18:03,115
after the finger poke
of doom,
425
00:18:03,182 --> 00:18:05,884
and then you tell me
what killed WCW.
426
00:18:05,918 --> 00:18:10,689
[Splattering &
crowd shouting]
427
00:18:10,722 --> 00:18:12,558
Look at my face.
428
00:18:12,591 --> 00:18:15,094
Like, ah, you gotta
be kidding me.
429
00:18:15,127 --> 00:18:16,595
The New Blood strikes again!
430
00:18:16,628 --> 00:18:19,631
The New Blood's symbol!
431
00:18:19,698 --> 00:18:22,201
And Nash is walking slowly,
432
00:18:22,234 --> 00:18:23,535
drenched in the red.
433
00:18:23,569 --> 00:18:25,270
Kevin Nash in pursuit!
434
00:18:25,304 --> 00:18:28,807
This was a
monthly... doing,
435
00:18:28,874 --> 00:18:30,909
that they did something.
436
00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:32,744
Russo running out
of the building!
437
00:18:32,778 --> 00:18:35,247
[Eric] The company was in worse
shape than it was when I left.
438
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:36,982
They are getting
to their limousine.
439
00:18:37,049 --> 00:18:38,650
There was no hope.
440
00:18:38,717 --> 00:18:41,253
Get that damn
camera out of here.
441
00:18:41,286 --> 00:18:44,656
[Eric] The only way I knew
how to turn that around
442
00:18:44,723 --> 00:18:47,593
was to kind of force a
creative reset,
443
00:18:47,626 --> 00:18:51,063
and that reset involved...
444
00:18:51,096 --> 00:18:52,831
the Millionaire's Club,
which was the
445
00:18:52,898 --> 00:18:55,734
established
top-level talent....
446
00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:58,604
versus the young,
up-and-coming,
447
00:18:58,637 --> 00:19:00,239
the young guns.
448
00:19:00,272 --> 00:19:02,908
It's kind of a classic story.
449
00:19:02,941 --> 00:19:05,511
The Millionaire's Club fighting
for their very careers!
450
00:19:05,577 --> 00:19:08,080
[Vince] Bro,
that was inspired by
451
00:19:08,113 --> 00:19:11,183
what has been going on in
wrestling from day one.
452
00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:15,187
From day one, that's the
wrestling business.
453
00:19:15,254 --> 00:19:17,156
And I'm, I'm a firm believer
that if you're gonna create
454
00:19:17,189 --> 00:19:20,792
a story, try to create one
that's based on
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00:19:20,826 --> 00:19:23,595
some sense of reality.
456
00:19:23,629 --> 00:19:26,365
[Vince] The Millionaire's Club
at WCW were the top guys
457
00:19:26,431 --> 00:19:27,966
that were making
all the money.
458
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,802
Okay, the- you know,
the Hogans, the Savages,
459
00:19:30,836 --> 00:19:34,006
the Flairs, the Lugers,
you know,
460
00:19:34,039 --> 00:19:36,542
Sting fell in that category.
461
00:19:36,608 --> 00:19:39,878
The, the New Blood
were the hungry,
462
00:19:39,945 --> 00:19:44,316
younger guys that were making
a fraction of their salary
463
00:19:44,349 --> 00:19:47,486
because they were
being held down by
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00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:49,121
the Millionaire's Club.
465
00:19:49,154 --> 00:19:51,623
So now they were gonna
have their day in court.
466
00:19:51,657 --> 00:19:55,227
Hey! Terry
"The Bollster" Hogan!
467
00:19:55,294 --> 00:19:56,728
Maybe!
468
00:19:56,795 --> 00:19:59,631
Maybe you haven't paid
attention around here!
469
00:19:59,665 --> 00:20:02,334
A lot of tension at
that time because,
470
00:20:02,367 --> 00:20:04,336
you know, the changing
of the guard,
471
00:20:04,369 --> 00:20:06,505
that stuff was real too,
you know.
472
00:20:06,538 --> 00:20:09,808
The stuff with Hogan and
the, the older guys.
473
00:20:09,841 --> 00:20:13,011
You know, those guys didn't
want to give up their spots.
474
00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:14,680
[DDP] You're like,
"We're making money"?
475
00:20:14,713 --> 00:20:17,683
Yeah, cause we earned
our spot, you know,
476
00:20:17,716 --> 00:20:20,552
and bottom line is now
we're finally making money.
477
00:20:20,586 --> 00:20:22,254
[Booker] When Hogan said,
you know, he's getting older,
478
00:20:22,321 --> 00:20:24,556
but, "Everybody in that damn
locker room's
479
00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:27,359
getting older too."
[Laughing] You know.
480
00:20:27,392 --> 00:20:29,361
Well, yeah, Hulk Hogan's
getting older,
481
00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:31,930
and so is every other damn
wrestler in the back too.
482
00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:33,665
Day by day.
483
00:20:33,699 --> 00:20:36,535
That was a real statement.
That's someone who's-
484
00:20:36,568 --> 00:20:38,403
who doesn't want to
let it go, man.
485
00:20:38,437 --> 00:20:40,038
Kevin!
486
00:20:40,072 --> 00:20:43,342
I get it, I understand it,
but for me...
487
00:20:43,375 --> 00:20:46,678
you know, nah,
I always, ah,
488
00:20:46,712 --> 00:20:48,947
went as far as
my talent could take me,
489
00:20:49,014 --> 00:20:50,616
not my politics.
490
00:20:50,682 --> 00:20:53,118
I knew there were
gonna be politics,
491
00:20:53,185 --> 00:20:55,254
I just never thought
there were gonna be
492
00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:57,956
politics to this extent.
493
00:20:58,023 --> 00:21:00,759
Bro, even with all
these things,
494
00:21:00,792 --> 00:21:03,395
yes, I am gonna go
into this to win.
495
00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:04,630
I'm not gonna
go to work and
496
00:21:04,696 --> 00:21:08,200
go through the motions,
and just waste my time.
497
00:21:08,233 --> 00:21:11,570
I literally am still
going to do
498
00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:14,806
every single thing I
possibly can do
499
00:21:14,873 --> 00:21:16,908
to bring those
ratings back up.
500
00:21:16,942 --> 00:21:19,311
♪
501
00:21:19,378 --> 00:21:22,414
"Ready To Rumble" was a
major motion picture
502
00:21:22,447 --> 00:21:24,116
that they were gonna do.
503
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:26,385
David Arquette
was gonna be the star,
504
00:21:26,418 --> 00:21:30,155
and there were gonna be
multiple WCW wrestlers in it.
505
00:21:30,222 --> 00:21:31,657
I like wrestling.
506
00:21:31,723 --> 00:21:33,492
Are you gonna
be a wrestler?
507
00:21:33,558 --> 00:21:36,795
[Laughing] You caught trouble
wrestling your weewee
508
00:21:36,828 --> 00:21:39,298
out of your trousers
to take a leak.
509
00:21:39,331 --> 00:21:41,733
It's not that
I have trouble.
510
00:21:41,767 --> 00:21:45,637
I never really had an
interest in becoming a
511
00:21:45,671 --> 00:21:47,939
professional wrestler,
except for the fact that
512
00:21:47,973 --> 00:21:50,942
when I was a kid and I'd
look up at 'em, and, and...
513
00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:54,279
I'd be like, "Ah, it would be
so great to be the champion,"
514
00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:56,748
you know,
and just, ah-
515
00:21:56,782 --> 00:21:59,017
But I never really
thought of
516
00:21:59,084 --> 00:22:00,752
myself as a wrestler.
517
00:22:00,786 --> 00:22:03,088
-The steel cage.
-Steel cage! Done!
518
00:22:03,121 --> 00:22:05,691
But, part of the story line
in "Ready To Rumble" is that
519
00:22:05,757 --> 00:22:09,161
my character, Gordie, becomes
a wrestler at the end of it.
520
00:22:09,194 --> 00:22:11,530
And I think that was part of
the germ of the idea in
521
00:22:11,596 --> 00:22:15,600
bringing me into WCW so
that we could sort of
522
00:22:15,634 --> 00:22:17,769
have fun with
those worlds.
523
00:22:17,803 --> 00:22:19,638
So, we have our
production meeting,
524
00:22:19,671 --> 00:22:21,473
and the match is,
um...
525
00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:23,508
Jeff Jarrett,
Eric Bischoff,
526
00:22:23,542 --> 00:22:25,944
against DDP and
David Arquette.
527
00:22:25,977 --> 00:22:27,646
We have a regular
production meeting.
528
00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:28,980
Boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom.
529
00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:32,484
Everybody leaves.
I'm literally there by myself,
530
00:22:32,517 --> 00:22:35,787
and Tony Schiavone
comes over. And Tony says,
531
00:22:35,821 --> 00:22:37,656
"Vince, do you mind if
I pitch you something?"
532
00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:40,459
I said, "Tony, absolutely."
And I got the,
533
00:22:40,492 --> 00:22:42,661
"What if...
534
00:22:42,694 --> 00:22:46,164
David Arquette wins that
match and becomes
535
00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:48,133
WCW Heavyweight
Champion?"
536
00:22:48,166 --> 00:22:51,002
I call everybody back in.
537
00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:54,873
"Guys, Tony pitched me
this idea.
538
00:22:54,906 --> 00:22:56,808
What do you think?"
539
00:22:56,842 --> 00:23:00,078
Bro, 100% of the
people were for it.
540
00:23:00,145 --> 00:23:03,014
I don't remember how
the idea generated.
541
00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:05,517
We'd done other things to
help promote movies, and,
542
00:23:05,550 --> 00:23:08,086
and specific television
shows in the past.
543
00:23:08,153 --> 00:23:12,858
This was a rather elaborate
way to promote the movie.
544
00:23:12,891 --> 00:23:14,593
But I didn't see
the harm in it.
545
00:23:14,659 --> 00:23:17,662
I just laughed
out aloud and...
546
00:23:17,696 --> 00:23:20,232
I went, "Yeah, right,
so what are we doing?"
547
00:23:20,265 --> 00:23:24,102
And Eric goes,
"That's what we're doing."
548
00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:25,871
I go, "No, we're not."
549
00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:28,707
He goes, "Yes, we are."
I go, "Bro, come on.
550
00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:30,942
Stop fucking with me.
We're not gonna do that."
551
00:23:31,009 --> 00:23:33,345
I go,
"That's not a good idea."
552
00:23:33,378 --> 00:23:36,047
It was like,
"That's a terrible idea.
553
00:23:36,081 --> 00:23:37,783
You can't do that."
554
00:23:42,921 --> 00:23:44,756
[Indistinct commentary]
555
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:46,091
Speared by Arquette!
556
00:23:46,124 --> 00:23:48,226
Oh, Jarrett's got the belt!
557
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,628
Arquette-
1, 2, 3!
558
00:23:49,694 --> 00:23:51,129
What?!
559
00:23:51,196 --> 00:23:52,798
[Cheering]
560
00:23:52,864 --> 00:23:56,134
What, what did-
What's going on here?
561
00:23:56,201 --> 00:23:58,270
David Arquette won
the world title!
562
00:23:58,303 --> 00:24:00,605
[David] Got this huge,
like, reaction
563
00:24:00,639 --> 00:24:02,641
when they made me
the champion.
564
00:24:02,707 --> 00:24:04,810
You know, people throwing
something, spitting on you,
565
00:24:04,876 --> 00:24:07,712
and calling you the worst
things in the world, but...
566
00:24:07,746 --> 00:24:09,948
It really hit me when
567
00:24:09,981 --> 00:24:12,217
I was in the
locker room and,
568
00:24:12,250 --> 00:24:14,553
Booker T was there, and
he was getting ready.
569
00:24:14,586 --> 00:24:17,722
[Laughing]
570
00:24:17,756 --> 00:24:19,124
He goes,
"Booker, man,
571
00:24:19,157 --> 00:24:21,426
this is so great, man.
I'm the world champion!
572
00:24:21,460 --> 00:24:23,829
I'm the world champion!"
You know, and he goes...
573
00:24:23,895 --> 00:24:26,431
"How many times have you
been champ, Booker?"
574
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,732
He's like...
575
00:24:27,766 --> 00:24:29,301
"I never won it,"
you know.
576
00:24:29,334 --> 00:24:31,970
And then he goes...
577
00:24:32,003 --> 00:24:36,308
He, his, his mood
totally changed.
578
00:24:36,341 --> 00:24:39,945
And then I was like,
"Oof, whoa, okay,"
579
00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:42,914
that like,
that hit me, so...
580
00:24:42,948 --> 00:24:45,083
[Sharmell] It was hard to
see that, you know,
581
00:24:45,116 --> 00:24:47,586
you do have these guys who
582
00:24:47,619 --> 00:24:50,522
pretty much have given their
lives for this sport,
583
00:24:50,589 --> 00:24:53,024
and then you have a
Hollywood actor,
584
00:24:53,091 --> 00:24:54,426
even though it's
David Arquette who
585
00:24:54,459 --> 00:24:58,430
we know and love,
come in and win that title.
586
00:24:58,463 --> 00:25:01,833
Yeah, that, that,
that's a hard thing.
587
00:25:01,867 --> 00:25:05,470
I would say it was just
another nail in the coffin of
588
00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:08,974
a company that was rapidly
dying at that time.
589
00:25:09,007 --> 00:25:11,376
[Booker] I thought it was a
bad idea putting the
590
00:25:11,443 --> 00:25:13,011
World Heavyweight
Championship
591
00:25:13,044 --> 00:25:14,813
on David Arquette.
592
00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:18,783
I mean, movie star or not,
it's just not a good play.
593
00:25:18,817 --> 00:25:20,519
And when you do something
like this, you go,
594
00:25:20,552 --> 00:25:22,020
"Okay, where do
we go from here?"
595
00:25:22,053 --> 00:25:24,623
Well, people were pissed that
this actor that had never
596
00:25:24,656 --> 00:25:26,291
paid his dues-
cause that's a big thing,
597
00:25:26,324 --> 00:25:29,194
paying your dues, right?-
was a world champion.
598
00:25:29,227 --> 00:25:31,663
And Vince's rebuttal
to that was,
599
00:25:31,696 --> 00:25:33,365
"It got eyes on
the product."
600
00:25:33,398 --> 00:25:36,234
I don't know how well it did
in the ratings, but, I go,
601
00:25:36,301 --> 00:25:38,870
"Yeah, but it got people
talking for the wrong reasons."
602
00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:41,006
I don't think that
was a good idea.
603
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:43,642
Bro, I'll never forget,
the next morning after that,
604
00:25:43,675 --> 00:25:46,478
I get up, I go downstairs
to the front desk.
605
00:25:46,511 --> 00:25:48,747
What's on the front cover
of the USA Today?
606
00:25:48,813 --> 00:25:51,182
That would have
never, ever happened
607
00:25:51,216 --> 00:25:53,351
in a million years.
608
00:25:53,385 --> 00:25:56,821
And at that time,
that's what we are after.
609
00:25:56,855 --> 00:25:59,057
And again, bro,
I'm going to say it,
610
00:25:59,090 --> 00:26:01,693
I write a television show.
611
00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:05,430
If you think about the
importance of the world title
612
00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:07,933
in wrestling, yes,
it's predetermined,
613
00:26:07,999 --> 00:26:10,535
but it does carry with it
a huge amount of value,
614
00:26:10,569 --> 00:26:14,205
and I think fans perceived
this as another attempt to
615
00:26:14,239 --> 00:26:17,409
get the interest back in
one day rather than
616
00:26:17,442 --> 00:26:18,910
building for the future.
617
00:26:18,944 --> 00:26:20,679
[Eric] The wrestling audience
didn't appreciate it.
618
00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:23,949
In the eyes of, you know,
the hardcore wrestling fan.
619
00:26:24,015 --> 00:26:25,216
And I'm not
dismissing them,
620
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:26,718
and I don't mean
it derisively.
621
00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:31,256
But, the really passionate
wrestling fan felt that
622
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:33,925
it really made a
mockery of the title,
623
00:26:33,959 --> 00:26:36,595
to use that title
in that way.
624
00:26:36,628 --> 00:26:39,598
I didn't feel that way
in that moment.
625
00:26:39,631 --> 00:26:42,033
I was looking at the
bigger opportunity,
626
00:26:42,067 --> 00:26:44,402
and felt like we could
sustain a couple weeks
627
00:26:44,436 --> 00:26:46,237
of bad press.
628
00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:49,774
I think Eric put himself
in a position to where...
629
00:26:49,808 --> 00:26:52,577
he stopped calling the shots,
and just started being
630
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:55,046
a part of the shots that
were being called.
631
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,149
And I think that was,
perhaps, the biggest problem.
632
00:26:58,216 --> 00:26:59,384
It is what it is.
633
00:26:59,417 --> 00:27:01,786
I didn't stop it,
let's put it that way.
634
00:27:01,820 --> 00:27:03,888
I supported it.
635
00:27:03,922 --> 00:27:06,091
And I participated,
for God's sake.
636
00:27:06,124 --> 00:27:07,826
The World
Heavyweight Champion!
637
00:27:07,892 --> 00:27:10,462
[Shouting & cheering]
638
00:27:10,495 --> 00:27:12,130
I would do the same
thing today, bro.
639
00:27:12,163 --> 00:27:13,498
Without blinking an eye,
640
00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:15,233
I would do the same
exact thing today.
641
00:27:20,005 --> 00:27:22,440
Quite frankly,
I could care less.
642
00:27:22,474 --> 00:27:24,809
Arquette goes out
there the next day!
643
00:27:24,843 --> 00:27:26,945
He doesn't want
the championship!
644
00:27:26,978 --> 00:27:28,947
What?! Whoa! Bro!
645
00:27:28,980 --> 00:27:30,515
[Stammering]
I, I, you know-
646
00:27:30,582 --> 00:27:32,484
we followed that up
in the story line.
647
00:27:32,517 --> 00:27:34,319
What did he have it, bro,
for like a week?
648
00:27:34,352 --> 00:27:35,954
Hey, I think I
killed out there.
649
00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:38,089
Listen, Page, this has
all been a big fluke,
650
00:27:38,123 --> 00:27:40,325
it's been a whole lot of
fun, but I don't deserve
651
00:27:40,358 --> 00:27:42,093
to be the World
Heavyweight Champion.
652
00:27:42,127 --> 00:27:43,795
And he went out on,
you know, the next day,
653
00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:45,630
and he goes, "Man,
I shouldn't have the title.
654
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,799
People like Booker T
should have the title."
655
00:27:47,832 --> 00:27:51,803
Tonight, I'm gonna
relinquish the belt,
656
00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:55,440
and give up the title.
I don't deserve it.
657
00:27:55,473 --> 00:27:56,608
How about that?
658
00:27:56,641 --> 00:27:58,343
-These guys deserve it.
-[Booing]
659
00:27:58,376 --> 00:28:00,612
Maybe Booker T
deserves it,
660
00:28:00,645 --> 00:28:02,180
but I don't deserve it.
661
00:28:02,213 --> 00:28:03,948
You know, I was like,
"Wow!" You know?
662
00:28:03,982 --> 00:28:06,284
So, he might have been
my biggest cheerleader,
663
00:28:06,317 --> 00:28:09,154
you know, he might have been
the spark that lit the flame.
664
00:28:09,187 --> 00:28:11,656
I started at the
bottom of that company,
665
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:14,859
and I had seen these
guys on television,
666
00:28:14,893 --> 00:28:16,695
and now I'm in the same
locker room with them,
667
00:28:16,728 --> 00:28:20,865
and competing with them
at the highest level.
668
00:28:20,899 --> 00:28:23,868
I was doing something that
I had never imagined
669
00:28:23,902 --> 00:28:26,304
or dreamt of doing in
a million years.
670
00:28:26,337 --> 00:28:27,539
Now the axe kick!
671
00:28:27,572 --> 00:28:29,240
[DDP] I knew Book was
gonna be a big star.
672
00:28:29,307 --> 00:28:32,210
When he was putting on
grease paint one time
673
00:28:32,243 --> 00:28:34,913
when he was doing
G. I. Bro.
674
00:28:34,979 --> 00:28:37,916
He said, "I'm here, and I'm
gonna keep doing what
675
00:28:37,982 --> 00:28:40,919
I'm doing, and eventually
I'm gonna get there."
676
00:28:40,985 --> 00:28:42,554
And I'm like, "You know
what, bro, you're right,
677
00:28:42,587 --> 00:28:46,257
you are." I said, "You got
the best attitude ever."
678
00:28:46,324 --> 00:28:48,193
Thinking about winning the
world title for me
679
00:28:48,226 --> 00:28:50,662
in this company,
is something that
680
00:28:50,695 --> 00:28:52,163
I never really
thought about.
681
00:28:52,197 --> 00:28:53,431
When I first came in
this company, it was,
682
00:28:53,498 --> 00:28:54,666
you know,
it was a clique.
683
00:28:54,699 --> 00:28:55,867
It was a good old boys
clique, you know,
684
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:57,569
and if you wasn't in
the good old boy clique,
685
00:28:57,602 --> 00:28:59,370
you only went to a
certain level, you know.
686
00:29:04,943 --> 00:29:07,712
♪
687
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:10,915
'Cause I was Black,
to be honest.
688
00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:12,684
I knew how good I was.
689
00:29:12,717 --> 00:29:16,221
There wasn't a
doubt in my mind.
690
00:29:16,254 --> 00:29:19,224
But you still wonder if the
company would be
691
00:29:19,257 --> 00:29:21,726
willing to accept
a Black champion.
692
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,963
♪
693
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:27,699
He was beloved,
everybody loved him.
694
00:29:27,732 --> 00:29:29,734
He was so easy
to work with.
695
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:31,903
He paid his dues.
696
00:29:31,936 --> 00:29:35,607
Booker, like, had completely
thrown in the towel of
697
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,743
ever thinking he was going
to be a champion
698
00:29:38,777 --> 00:29:41,146
because he knew the
political game!
699
00:29:41,212 --> 00:29:44,883
Everybody's fighting
for the same spot!
700
00:29:44,916 --> 00:29:48,887
And especially, bro,
when you're on top,
701
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,590
you got everybody
gunning for you.
702
00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:56,394
So, when Hulk
was on top, yes,
703
00:29:56,427 --> 00:29:59,330
did he do everything
he possibly could
704
00:29:59,397 --> 00:30:01,399
to secure that spot?
705
00:30:01,432 --> 00:30:04,102
Bro, 1000%.
706
00:30:09,574 --> 00:30:11,409
♪
707
00:30:11,442 --> 00:30:13,178
[Eric] Halloween Havoc '99
I think was
708
00:30:13,244 --> 00:30:14,946
the last time
Hogan appeared.
709
00:30:14,979 --> 00:30:17,315
Of course, I was sent
home in September of '99.
710
00:30:17,348 --> 00:30:18,750
Hogan stuck around
because he was
711
00:30:18,783 --> 00:30:20,618
obligated
and advertised.
712
00:30:20,652 --> 00:30:23,121
But,
without me there,
713
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:26,591
Hogan really wasn't
too interested in
714
00:30:26,624 --> 00:30:30,795
working in any way,
shape, or form with Russo.
715
00:30:30,829 --> 00:30:34,833
So, when I came back
to work with Russo,
716
00:30:34,866 --> 00:30:36,968
that certainly made it
a lot easier.
717
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:39,838
Eric is now treating me
718
00:30:39,871 --> 00:30:42,507
as I'm below him.
719
00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,809
And I, I had
had enough.
720
00:30:44,843 --> 00:30:48,713
So, I called Brad Siegel.
721
00:30:48,780 --> 00:30:50,315
And I said,
722
00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:54,819
"Brad, if you want to
make Eric head of creative,
723
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:57,188
freaking make him
head of creative!"
724
00:30:57,222 --> 00:31:01,226
And bro, Brad Siegel said,
"No, no, no, no, no, no, no
725
00:31:01,292 --> 00:31:05,163
Vince! I want YOU to
write creative."
726
00:31:05,196 --> 00:31:08,399
Bro, two days later was
Bash At The Beach.
727
00:31:08,466 --> 00:31:11,703
Bash At The Beach 2000 was
really the culmination point
728
00:31:11,736 --> 00:31:14,806
of the tension between Russo
and what he wanted to do,
729
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:17,742
me and what I was willing
to do in the role I was in,
730
00:31:17,809 --> 00:31:19,811
and what Hogan was
willing to do...
731
00:31:19,844 --> 00:31:22,080
given that he had
creative control.
732
00:31:22,146 --> 00:31:25,250
I will say this up front,
without a shadow of a doubt,
733
00:31:25,316 --> 00:31:28,887
if there was no
Eric Bischoff,
734
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,689
I would have had a great
relationship with Hulk Hogan.
735
00:31:31,723 --> 00:31:34,092
And, I don't think
there ever
736
00:31:34,158 --> 00:31:36,060
would have
been an issue.
737
00:31:36,094 --> 00:31:38,997
Hulk and I have a good idea
of what we wanted to do
738
00:31:39,030 --> 00:31:40,598
with his participation.
739
00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:41,833
He and I are on
the same page,
740
00:31:41,866 --> 00:31:43,735
and Hulk Hogan has
creative control,
741
00:31:43,768 --> 00:31:45,503
so that's pretty much
the end of any dispute
742
00:31:45,536 --> 00:31:48,072
or conversation, right.
743
00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:49,507
But at the same time,
Vince Russo had
744
00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:51,743
his ideas of what
he wanted to do.
745
00:31:51,776 --> 00:31:54,579
And what he was able
to do was
746
00:31:54,612 --> 00:31:56,848
take the original
idea of Hulk and I's,
747
00:31:56,881 --> 00:31:59,083
which was create some
kind of scenario
748
00:31:59,117 --> 00:32:01,286
where Hulk gets so
frustrated, or disgusted,
749
00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:04,889
or pissed off, he grabs the
belt and walks out of
750
00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:09,060
the building, presumably
never to be seen again.
751
00:32:09,093 --> 00:32:11,362
That was the plan.
752
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:14,132
[Vince] I'm saying to myself,
bro, no.
753
00:32:14,198 --> 00:32:17,602
You're not walking out
of here with the belt.
754
00:32:17,635 --> 00:32:19,404
-Now what?
-I don't know, it's...
755
00:32:19,437 --> 00:32:20,872
Who's laying down
on this one?
756
00:32:20,905 --> 00:32:23,074
But what Vince Russo did was
jump in the middle part of
757
00:32:23,107 --> 00:32:26,377
our plan, and decided that
once Eric and Hulk
758
00:32:26,411 --> 00:32:28,146
left the building-
which we did,
759
00:32:28,212 --> 00:32:30,114
according to script,
OUR script-
760
00:32:30,148 --> 00:32:33,117
Vince Russo jumped into
the ring, live,
761
00:32:33,151 --> 00:32:35,320
and went into business
for himself and
762
00:32:35,386 --> 00:32:37,488
implemented
his own idea.
763
00:32:37,555 --> 00:32:40,058
[Cheering]
764
00:32:40,091 --> 00:32:41,993
Hey, let me tell ya who
doesn't give a shit
765
00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:43,761
about this company!
766
00:32:43,795 --> 00:32:46,631
That God damn politician,
Hulk Hogan!
767
00:32:46,664 --> 00:32:48,333
I remember looking around,
768
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,003
talking to some of the
other Nitro Girls, like...
769
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:53,671
"Is, is this what's supposed
to be happening?"
770
00:32:53,738 --> 00:32:55,807
Like, what's going-
is this written?
771
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,342
What is going on?
772
00:32:57,408 --> 00:33:00,445
Hulk Hogan tonight
wants to play
773
00:33:00,478 --> 00:33:03,982
his creative control card.
774
00:33:04,015 --> 00:33:05,817
Holy shit.
775
00:33:05,850 --> 00:33:07,251
This, this is...
776
00:33:07,285 --> 00:33:09,253
he's shooting, you know,
he's talking for real.
777
00:33:09,287 --> 00:33:10,822
This is not a work.
778
00:33:10,855 --> 00:33:12,490
But one thing I do
want to point out.
779
00:33:12,523 --> 00:33:15,860
As much as this was a work,
and everybody was,
780
00:33:15,927 --> 00:33:20,031
you know, in on it,
when I talk about reality,
781
00:33:20,098 --> 00:33:22,600
I really am
this pissed off.
782
00:33:22,633 --> 00:33:26,037
Hogan got his belt,
and he went the hell home,
783
00:33:26,104 --> 00:33:28,206
and I promise
everybody or else
784
00:33:28,272 --> 00:33:30,541
I'll go in the
God damn grave,
785
00:33:30,608 --> 00:33:33,144
you will never see
that piece of shit again.
786
00:33:33,177 --> 00:33:36,347
I didn't know that
was coming, and...
787
00:33:36,381 --> 00:33:40,018
that promo to me felt as
real as it possibly can be,
788
00:33:40,051 --> 00:33:42,520
as far as two people having
789
00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:45,857
a venomous animosity
towards each other.
790
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:49,193
The point of this promo
was not to run Hogan down.
791
00:33:49,227 --> 00:33:51,396
The point of it was...
792
00:33:51,462 --> 00:33:54,165
we need Booker
to win the belt,
793
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:55,900
and I need to make sense of
794
00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:58,302
why this match is happening.
795
00:33:58,336 --> 00:34:02,373
For the WCW title,
two deserving guys-
796
00:34:02,407 --> 00:34:05,743
Jarrett! And Booker!
797
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:07,879
Will compete for the WCW,
798
00:34:07,912 --> 00:34:10,681
and they'll tear this
God damn house down!
799
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,718
I found out about 10 minutes
before I had to wrestle.
800
00:34:13,751 --> 00:34:15,219
This all came as
a surprise to me.
801
00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:16,421
I really don't know
what's going on.
802
00:34:16,487 --> 00:34:18,356
Vince made the decision.
803
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:20,892
Cut that promo before
I had to go out.
804
00:34:20,925 --> 00:34:22,727
Man, I had so
much energy.
805
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,229
Opportunity has knocked,
and I will be damned
806
00:34:25,263 --> 00:34:26,864
if I don't
answer that door.
807
00:34:26,898 --> 00:34:29,100
I am gonna do what I have
to do tonight to take
808
00:34:29,167 --> 00:34:31,235
that gold home, take it
around my waist,
809
00:34:31,269 --> 00:34:32,603
and taking it to the
next millennium.
810
00:34:32,670 --> 00:34:34,272
Now can you
dig that shit?
811
00:34:34,338 --> 00:34:36,707
I can.
Tony, back to you.
812
00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,576
I was ready to become
the world champ.
813
00:34:44,849 --> 00:34:47,518
I remember, before the bell
rang I jumped up so high,
814
00:34:47,552 --> 00:34:49,387
you know, and, you know,
just because I was like,
815
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:51,589
"Let's get this done,"
you know.
816
00:34:51,622 --> 00:34:56,761
[Indistinct shouting
& crowd cheering]
817
00:34:56,794 --> 00:34:58,396
...2! ...3!
818
00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:01,299
[Cheering]
819
00:35:01,365 --> 00:35:03,568
Booker T's the champ!
820
00:35:03,601 --> 00:35:08,539
♪ [Triumphant] ♪
821
00:35:08,573 --> 00:35:13,377
♪
822
00:35:13,411 --> 00:35:14,879
It took somebody
like Vince Russo,
823
00:35:14,912 --> 00:35:17,381
somebody that was outside
the box that pushed them
824
00:35:17,415 --> 00:35:19,951
to make a decision,
and then, you know,
825
00:35:19,984 --> 00:35:22,286
check their conscience
for a second.
826
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,423
I came back for
the Booker Ts!
827
00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:29,127
I was totally out of
the loop, as far as...
828
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,263
what was going on with...
829
00:35:32,296 --> 00:35:34,165
Vince Russo and
830
00:35:34,232 --> 00:35:37,235
Hulk Hogan and
Eric Bischoff.
831
00:35:37,268 --> 00:35:39,770
[Vince] Bro, the next day
on the internet,
832
00:35:39,804 --> 00:35:42,406
everybody bought this-
hook, line, and sinker.
833
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,445
And bro, what you got over
and over and over again was,
834
00:35:47,478 --> 00:35:50,848
"Finally! Somebody put
Hulk Hogan in his place!"
835
00:35:50,915 --> 00:35:54,519
Hulk is at home,
and he's reading this,
836
00:35:54,585 --> 00:35:59,090
and he's seething, and his
ego is kicking in because
837
00:35:59,123 --> 00:36:03,194
now it looks like this
jackass, Vince Russo,
838
00:36:03,261 --> 00:36:05,196
got one over
on Hulk Hogan.
839
00:36:05,263 --> 00:36:07,331
That's why this company's
in the damn shape
840
00:36:07,365 --> 00:36:09,767
it's in because of
bullshit like this.
841
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,136
[Cheering]
842
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:14,338
My phone's just
nonstop vibrating.
843
00:36:14,372 --> 00:36:16,174
Hulk's phone's
blowing up.
844
00:36:16,207 --> 00:36:18,042
And now we're starting to
hear bits and pieces
845
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:21,012
from different people
about what Russo did.
846
00:36:21,045 --> 00:36:22,780
And we're looking at
each other like this can't,
847
00:36:22,813 --> 00:36:24,949
this can't
possibly be true.
848
00:36:24,982 --> 00:36:27,852
Hulk Hogan, who is
contractually entitled to
849
00:36:27,885 --> 00:36:30,354
have final say
over creative...
850
00:36:30,388 --> 00:36:32,290
and yet, he throws all of that
out the window and
851
00:36:32,323 --> 00:36:34,025
goes into business
for himself?
852
00:36:34,058 --> 00:36:35,226
Tears the script up,
and says,
853
00:36:35,293 --> 00:36:36,861
"No, I'm gonna do it
my way instead"?
854
00:36:36,894 --> 00:36:39,497
We couldn't believe
that that happened.
855
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:41,999
As far as Hulk was
concerned, he's done.
856
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:43,901
There's going
to be a lawsuit.
857
00:36:43,968 --> 00:36:46,737
As far as I'm concerned,
I'm done.
858
00:36:46,804 --> 00:36:49,574
Regardless of who did
what and who says what,
859
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,877
let's just look at it from
the most important person
860
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:55,513
in the equation, which is
the people paying money to
861
00:36:55,546 --> 00:36:57,315
come and see the shows,
buying the Pay Per View,
862
00:36:57,348 --> 00:36:58,816
showing up to
the live events.
863
00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:01,852
Why would I buy into the idea
that the next Pay Per View
864
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:03,321
is gonna be the
biggest event ever,
865
00:37:03,354 --> 00:37:04,722
or the next match is
gonna be unbelievable
866
00:37:04,755 --> 00:37:06,991
when it seems like every
time they hype something up
867
00:37:07,024 --> 00:37:08,993
some nonsense
like this happens?
868
00:37:09,026 --> 00:37:11,529
Ultimately, I think what
this represented was the
869
00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:14,432
blowing up of this new
creative team that
870
00:37:14,498 --> 00:37:16,434
many had predicted
was inevitable.
871
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,202
And unfortunately,
it played out,
872
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,437
not behind the scenes,
873
00:37:19,503 --> 00:37:21,272
but in front of
everyone to see.
874
00:37:21,339 --> 00:37:23,241
You could talk about
angles and storylines,
875
00:37:23,274 --> 00:37:25,443
and this and that-
the fact that I was
876
00:37:25,509 --> 00:37:29,380
in a position to be able
to do the right thing-
877
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:31,382
Booker T becoming
the champion and
878
00:37:31,415 --> 00:37:35,686
a man finally getting
what he deserved and
879
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,723
getting through all that
red tape and all the BS
880
00:37:38,756 --> 00:37:42,526
was far and away my
greatest moment.
881
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,429
Russo's stunt made it
impossible for me to,
882
00:37:45,463 --> 00:37:47,365
A, trust Vince Russo.
883
00:37:47,398 --> 00:37:49,433
Or really the judgement
of anybody else,
884
00:37:49,467 --> 00:37:52,036
including Brad Siegel.
Brad had a choice.
885
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:54,372
He could have
sent Russo home
886
00:37:54,405 --> 00:37:56,707
following
Bash At The Beach.
887
00:37:56,741 --> 00:37:58,409
But he didn't.
888
00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:01,312
Eric and Hogan
were partners in
889
00:38:01,379 --> 00:38:03,581
what they wanted
to do at WCW.
890
00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:07,418
And, I was trying to do
whatever I can do
891
00:38:07,451 --> 00:38:09,587
to get it back on track.
892
00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:12,123
[Cheering]
893
00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:14,725
I came back to the guys
behind that curtain
894
00:38:14,759 --> 00:38:17,428
that give a shit about
this company!
895
00:38:17,461 --> 00:38:18,663
Post Bash At The Beach,
896
00:38:18,729 --> 00:38:20,498
now we have another
creative shake-up.
897
00:38:20,564 --> 00:38:21,899
Eric goes home,
898
00:38:21,932 --> 00:38:24,335
Hulk is never to be seen
on WCW TV again.
899
00:38:24,402 --> 00:38:26,971
And for the next 3 months
we have Vince Russo and
900
00:38:27,004 --> 00:38:30,141
a booking committee mapping
out WCW's story lines.
901
00:38:30,174 --> 00:38:31,909
So much had happened,
902
00:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,912
there had been so many
attempted restarts and reboots
903
00:38:34,945 --> 00:38:38,282
and changes of direction
that the entire promotion
904
00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:40,918
was sort of in a
state of shell shock.
905
00:38:40,951 --> 00:38:43,020
Once the bleeding started,
it was a consistent
906
00:38:43,087 --> 00:38:45,623
deterioration of
WCW's business.
907
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:50,328
[Indistinct commentary
& shouting]
908
00:38:50,361 --> 00:38:51,762
Everything was
very spontaneous,
909
00:38:51,796 --> 00:38:53,964
in the moment:
"What gets me excited now?"
910
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,500
Learn the meaning of the
world discipline, ladies?
911
00:38:56,534 --> 00:38:58,602
[Indistinct shouting]
912
00:38:58,636 --> 00:38:59,937
He was doing a
lot of segments
913
00:38:59,970 --> 00:39:01,839
with himself involved.
914
00:39:01,872 --> 00:39:03,307
[Indistinct commentary]
915
00:39:03,341 --> 00:39:05,609
Well, he was brought
in to be a writer.
916
00:39:05,643 --> 00:39:08,346
And then, he'd write
himself into the show.
917
00:39:08,379 --> 00:39:10,681
And, write himself
as one of the
918
00:39:10,715 --> 00:39:12,216
main characters
in the show.
919
00:39:12,283 --> 00:39:14,218
This is my show!
920
00:39:14,285 --> 00:39:16,120
This is my house!
921
00:39:16,153 --> 00:39:17,822
And these are my people!
922
00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:20,491
I'm just going to be 1000%
923
00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:21,892
completely honest with you.
924
00:39:21,959 --> 00:39:24,395
As far as an
on-air character,
925
00:39:24,462 --> 00:39:28,566
I felt that I was better than
80% of that roster.
926
00:39:28,632 --> 00:39:31,035
They put so much
pressure on me, bro,
927
00:39:31,068 --> 00:39:34,705
that I made the mistake
of saying, "You know what?
928
00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:37,675
F' it.
If you want ratings,
929
00:39:37,708 --> 00:39:40,411
I will go out there and
get ratings myself."
930
00:39:40,478 --> 00:39:43,347
I almost get killed, bro.
931
00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:46,183
I almost got killed.
932
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,219
[Crowd shouting]
Oh! Whoa!
933
00:39:52,656 --> 00:39:54,859
What I'm looking for
tonight is ratings!
934
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:56,761
Big ratings!
935
00:39:56,827 --> 00:39:59,597
And we're gonna deliver,
you son of a bitch!
936
00:39:59,663 --> 00:40:02,032
Like, to this day, people
think that's who I am.
937
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:05,403
That's why so many
people dislike me,
938
00:40:05,436 --> 00:40:07,238
hate me who don't
know me because
939
00:40:07,271 --> 00:40:09,907
they think I'm my character.
940
00:40:09,940 --> 00:40:12,443
Knock it off,
know your place.
941
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:14,378
He put the belt on himself.
942
00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,747
He became
champion somehow,
943
00:40:16,781 --> 00:40:19,183
which I just thought was
kind of self-serving.
944
00:40:19,216 --> 00:40:21,285
I can't even imagine,
you know,
945
00:40:21,352 --> 00:40:25,122
what brought that on except
for childhood dream...
946
00:40:25,189 --> 00:40:27,558
that every one of us
have had.
947
00:40:27,591 --> 00:40:29,393
So, I get
Vince doing it.
948
00:40:29,427 --> 00:40:31,195
I don't think it
was a good idea.
949
00:40:31,228 --> 00:40:33,597
But, I get it, and he had
a lot of heat,
950
00:40:33,631 --> 00:40:36,767
you know, internal
and external.
951
00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:38,369
[Shouting commentary]
952
00:40:38,402 --> 00:40:41,272
Bro, listen, I never
thought I was a wrestler.
953
00:40:41,305 --> 00:40:45,443
Again, this is a
television show.
954
00:40:45,476 --> 00:40:47,711
All I'm trying to do is
955
00:40:47,745 --> 00:40:50,114
entertain an audience.
956
00:40:50,147 --> 00:40:51,649
[Indistinct commentary]
957
00:40:51,715 --> 00:40:53,484
Bro, I should have never
gotten in the ring.
958
00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:56,420
I was really concerned
about my health.
959
00:40:56,454 --> 00:40:59,290
They were hurting me
on purpose.
960
00:40:59,323 --> 00:41:02,493
First of all, with Goldberg,
he's supposed to spear me
961
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,595
into the entranceway.
962
00:41:04,628 --> 00:41:08,098
And I told him ten times:
963
00:41:08,132 --> 00:41:09,567
"Bro, I got a concussion.
964
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,904
Like, just please work me
to the entranceway."
965
00:41:13,938 --> 00:41:15,339
What does he do, bro?
966
00:41:15,406 --> 00:41:17,341
He spears me right
into the iron rail.
967
00:41:17,408 --> 00:41:21,011
[Indistinct shouting]
Whoa!
968
00:41:21,078 --> 00:41:24,615
Come on, come on, man,
like no question about it.
969
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:26,116
If I wanted to
intentionally hurt him
970
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,419
he'd be underground
right now.
971
00:41:28,452 --> 00:41:30,454
And anyone who
doesn't believe that
972
00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:32,122
doesn't know
anything about me.
973
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,628
I think so, without a doubt.
Without a doubt.
974
00:41:37,661 --> 00:41:39,797
And that was it,
that, that spear,
975
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:42,933
that was the one that
put me away, that was it.
976
00:41:42,967 --> 00:41:47,638
Why am I putting my health
on the line when, obviously,
977
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:50,140
nobody gives a crap about
this company anymore?
978
00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:52,443
Russo! I'm here!
979
00:41:52,476 --> 00:41:53,844
And I'm waiting, Vince.
980
00:41:53,878 --> 00:41:56,780
So, the last show that
Vince Russo is credited
981
00:41:56,814 --> 00:42:00,184
to have written is the
October 2nd, 2000,
982
00:42:00,217 --> 00:42:02,219
edition of Monday Nitro.
983
00:42:02,286 --> 00:42:05,723
He gives an interview
the next day on WCW Live,
984
00:42:05,789 --> 00:42:08,025
lamenting everything that
was going on in the company,
985
00:42:08,058 --> 00:42:11,128
and then he's gone from the
picture after that point.
986
00:42:11,161 --> 00:42:12,730
This is Russo
in 2000, baby.
987
00:42:12,796 --> 00:42:14,164
Hulk Hogan...
988
00:42:14,198 --> 00:42:16,400
I don't give a damn.
989
00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:19,670
You think I care
about Eric Bischoff?
990
00:42:19,703 --> 00:42:21,872
I could give a damn.
991
00:42:21,906 --> 00:42:26,377
Ratings 2.7, 1.7, 0.7.
992
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:27,912
I don't care.
993
00:42:27,978 --> 00:42:30,381
Vince Russo losing
his job next week,
994
00:42:30,414 --> 00:42:33,217
I don't give a damn.
995
00:42:33,250 --> 00:42:34,418
♪
996
00:42:34,485 --> 00:42:36,987
When I see this, and I
see that guy there,
997
00:42:37,021 --> 00:42:40,024
it really reminds me of how
much I hate the business.
998
00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:41,325
I mean, I'm gonna
be honest with you.
999
00:42:41,358 --> 00:42:43,260
I mean, there's a lot of
people that
1000
00:42:43,327 --> 00:42:46,263
don't like me saying that.
1001
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:48,098
That's the fact
of the matter.
1002
00:42:48,165 --> 00:42:52,403
It really brings me back
to the, the damage,
1003
00:42:52,436 --> 00:42:56,740
emotionally, that this
business did to me.
1004
00:42:56,774 --> 00:42:59,443
That's ab-
absolute truth.
1005
00:42:59,510 --> 00:43:01,278
God honest truth.
1006
00:43:01,345 --> 00:43:04,381
And then, those same
politics exist today.
1007
00:43:04,415 --> 00:43:07,217
♪
1008
00:43:07,251 --> 00:43:10,387
What is the
fate of WCW?
1009
00:43:10,421 --> 00:43:12,222
We're talking about a
company that, at its peak,
1010
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:14,925
was generating in the
neighborhood of $200 million
1011
00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:18,262
a year, and a huge
part of pop culture.
1012
00:43:18,295 --> 00:43:20,097
It's a hit every
Monday every night.
1013
00:43:20,130 --> 00:43:21,365
But it wasn't anymore.
1014
00:43:21,398 --> 00:43:23,067
It was so bad!
1015
00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:26,136
The bickering,
the in-fighting.
1016
00:43:26,203 --> 00:43:27,471
We're Time-Warner.
1017
00:43:27,538 --> 00:43:29,773
Is it that important to own
a wrestling company
1018
00:43:29,807 --> 00:43:32,776
that's losing money,
bleeding massively?
1019
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:34,612
I'll sit and watch the
fucking thing sink
1020
00:43:34,645 --> 00:43:36,313
from my fucking house.
1021
00:43:36,380 --> 00:43:38,148
It didn't feel like
a family anymore.
1022
00:43:38,215 --> 00:43:40,150
You had to look
out for yourself.
1023
00:43:40,217 --> 00:43:42,720
What's gonna happen here?
Are they gonna stick with this?
1024
00:43:42,753 --> 00:43:44,221
Are they not gonna
stick with it?
1025
00:43:44,254 --> 00:43:47,958
I said, "Brad, why don't
you let me explore
1026
00:43:47,992 --> 00:43:51,996
selling WCW while it still
has some value?"
1027
00:43:52,062 --> 00:43:53,731
Going out!
1028
00:43:53,764 --> 00:43:55,633
We thought we were coming
to work like a regular day.
1029
00:43:55,666 --> 00:43:56,967
Do you know anything?
1030
00:43:57,001 --> 00:43:59,303
And no one knew
until that night.
1031
00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:02,606
Because the fate of WCW
1032
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,342
is in my hands.
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