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[TV Crew]
Standby.
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Here we go, in 5...
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4, 3...
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2...
Roll it, Drew.
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[Crackling &
popping fireworks]
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[Commentary] This is the last
Nitro on the Turner Network,
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and we're going out
with a bang!
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How do we all, on this very
surreal day for all of us
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at World Championship
Wrestling,
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a historic day in sports
entertainment,
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and it goes down on our
very last telecaster.
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Where does WCW
go from here?
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What's in the cards?
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What's, what's
going to happen?
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[Eric] If I'm giving a
eulogy for WCW,
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what would I say?
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[Ric Flair]
We were WCW!
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We lived, we breathed!
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We sweat!
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We paid the price!
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To be the best!
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[Cheering]
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[Madusa]
We gather here today
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to bid farewell to a
wrestling company.
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[Booker T] A company
that grew from the ashes,
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rose to become the phoenix
of professional wrestling.
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[The Rock] The legacy
of WCW is iconic.
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I have just such a tremendous
amount of reverence and
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respect for everything
that they were able to do.
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[Bill] To know that it
went from that...
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to being out of business,
is a tragedy.
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[Konnan] People thinking about
themselves and not the
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good of the company
led to the death of WCW.
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[Kevin Nash]
Thanks to the cash.
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[Bret Hart] Thanks for nothing.
Go fuck yourselves.
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[Off-screen]
[Laughing]
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I think that
would sum it up.
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[Eric] You know, if I
looked back and
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tried to describe
the journey-
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the ups, the downs,
the twists, the curves-
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the ride all
along the way was a rush.
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[Clap]
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WCW innovated so many
things that are still
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so much a part of the
wrestling programming
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that we watch today.
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Going back to the
80s, early 90s,
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it was a little company that
nobody thought was
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ever going to
be successful.
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Boom!
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Any time anybody talked
about professional wrestling
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in mainstream
media...
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they didn't refer to it as
"professional wrestling".
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They referred
to it as "WWF".
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The World Wrestling
Federation!
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If you look at where
WCW started from...
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Tonight! On World
Championship Wrestling!
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We were in a
different universe,
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and not a favorable one.
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That's how far
behind we were.
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Everybody was very happy
to be a distant #2.
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Except for me.
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Nitro!
It's on the air!
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The difference between
WCW in '93...
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Take a look
at the crowd!
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And '98...
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Over 40,000 fans are
jammed in the Georgia Dome!
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We became the most
successful wrestling company
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in the world,
almost overnight.
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Gentlemen!
Start your engines!
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WCW was able to
transcend pop culture.
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Wow!
The Sting!
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Timmy.
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Here comes the NWO,
the greatest faction ever.
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I don't think I'd seen
anything that's
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hotter than NWO.
I was like,
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"Wow, this company's gonna
go through the roof."
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We were standing on top
of the mountain, going,
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"How did we get here?"
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And then, little by little,
we just fell.
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Good night!
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It was like me
having a puppy,
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raising him to be
a full grown dog,
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and I watch him run
across the street and
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he gets hit by a bus.
03:23.327 --> 03:24.746
Ugh!
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Egos, egos, egos.
03:26.497 --> 03:28.916
A lot of jealousy,
a lot of problems.
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Do I got your attention now,
Eric Bischoff?
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Think about it-
what are wrestlers?
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They're a bunch of
pathological liars.
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What a big word
for a suit and tie.
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The death of WCW is really
death by 1,000 cuts.
03:41.678 --> 03:44.057
So, what really
happened?
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Who's responsible
for killing WCW?
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That's always gonna be the
million-dollar question:
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Who killed WCW?
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Well, the easy answer
is Vince Russo.
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It's just idiotic.
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Turner.
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The organization,
or lack of.
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The talent killed WCW.
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Ha-ha-ha!
This is preposterous to me.
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It would have to be the
person with the chequebook.
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It'd have to be
Eric Bischoff.
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Oof.
[Sighing]
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Sometimes more than
one thing can be true.
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There's too much
blame to go around.
04:13.168 --> 04:14.586
You want to hear
the real story,
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or you want to hear
the bullshit story?
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[Indistinct,
overlapping dialogue]
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You cannot sweep this
under the rug!
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...this is a fucking
television show...
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...I don't understand
what he's doing...
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The real reason...
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[Flatlining extended beep]
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♪ [Dramatic
instrumental] ♪
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[Dial up internet
beeping & squawking]
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Back in the day,
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back prior to
social media...
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there was still an
internet culture for the
04:42.740 --> 04:44.658
wrestling fan scene
to congregate,
04:44.742 --> 04:47.369
and it had a desperate need
for an understanding
04:47.453 --> 04:50.206
of what happened
to WCW...
04:50.290 --> 04:53.626
who have convinced a certain
percentage of the audience
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that it ultimately
comes back to me.
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♪
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[Birds chirping]
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If someone were to come
to me and say,
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"Okay, here's a tape."
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"I want you to watch
this whole tape,
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and it's gonna be the
entire WCW journey,
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and you can decide if you want
to do it all over again."
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What would I say?
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♪
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In a heartbeat...
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In a heartbeat.
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You know, it's really
interesting and almost
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embarrassing- before
I was hired by WCW,
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I didn't know
what WCW was.
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World Championship
Wrestling.
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I was an outsider
to the business.
05:35.335 --> 05:36.711
I was...
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a sales guy.
05:38.920 --> 05:40.715
Right about that time,
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through a good friend
of mine- Sonny Onoo-
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this little thing called
Ninja Star Wars
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came into my life.
05:46.679 --> 05:48.764
You put these vests on, and
you put one on, I put one on,
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we chase each other
around the house,
05:49.932 --> 05:52.018
and if I hit you with three
of my stars you're out,
05:52.100 --> 05:54.853
just like laser tag,
only with these little stars.
05:54.896 --> 05:56.230
Oh!
[Laughing]
05:56.314 --> 05:57.439
Then it was like...
[Clappig]
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All right.
How do we sell 'em?
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At the time, the AWA was
on Monday through Friday,
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and the AWA was
Verne's business.
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Verne Gagne,
thanks for being out here.
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Well, my pleasure, and I'm
glad I got out here because...
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[Eric] Verne Gagne-
professional athlete,
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wrestler, promoter.
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Don't you dare miss it.
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Verne did it all.
06:16.417 --> 06:18.211
Verne Gagne's
pro wrestling report.
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Here's how to order.
Mail 14.95!
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I thought, I'm gonna
call Verne Gagne.
06:24.841 --> 06:27.804
If Verne runs to commercial
in his wrestling program
06:27.886 --> 06:31.057
that's seen nationwide,
we'll split 50/50.
06:31.098 --> 06:34.227
I took one of the games,
and went to meet Verne.
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I thought I was gonna
get the deal, right,
06:36.103 --> 06:37.437
that I was looking for-
which I did,
06:37.521 --> 06:39.398
but I was also
offered a job.
06:39.482 --> 06:41.733
Welcome to AWA
Championship Wrestling.
06:41.776 --> 06:43.819
So, my job was to travel
around the Midwest,
06:43.903 --> 06:46.571
and talk independent
television stations into
06:46.655 --> 06:48.949
carrying AWA shows.
06:49.033 --> 06:51.119
It's a sales job.
Sales is sales.
06:51.201 --> 06:52.744
And I think we're gonna
erase any doubts
06:52.787 --> 06:53.829
you've ever had.
06:53.913 --> 06:55.747
I had never met
anybody like Eric.
06:55.790 --> 06:58.667
If he thought something
was a really good idea,
06:58.751 --> 07:00.586
then he would start
to take action,
07:00.627 --> 07:03.297
to breathe life into it.
07:03.381 --> 07:05.800
[Eric] I'd always been curious
how television works.
07:05.882 --> 07:08.845
At night, I just
sat in and learned.
07:08.927 --> 07:11.304
Then eventually
I was on camera.
07:11.389 --> 07:12.807
My name is Eric Bischoff,
and you-
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All this took place over the
course of about a
07:14.684 --> 07:17.018
year and a half, two years,
while I was in AWA.
07:17.103 --> 07:18.437
Buckle up real tight
because you're going for
07:18.478 --> 07:20.605
a hard, bumpy ride,
I promise.
07:20.689 --> 07:22.941
The last six or eight months
of it I didn't get paid.
07:23.025 --> 07:24.276
He couldn't
afford to pay me.
07:24.360 --> 07:25.862
My wife and I-
and our kids-
07:25.944 --> 07:27.946
suffered financially.
07:27.989 --> 07:31.117
Now we have two
little ones and,
07:31.158 --> 07:34.119
we are literally bouncing
checks to buy diapers,
07:34.162 --> 07:37.331
and barely making rent.
07:37.415 --> 07:39.374
That's how bad it was.
07:39.458 --> 07:41.042
Heavyweight champion!
07:41.127 --> 07:45.631
He is the living legend,
Larry Zbyszko!
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Larry Zbyskzo had
worked with me in AWA,
07:47.716 --> 07:48.968
we had become friends.
07:49.009 --> 07:52.345
He left AWA,
was working in WCW.
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Larry told me that,
"Hey, they're looking for
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announcers down here."
07:55.807 --> 07:57.477
And, within days,
I got a call.
07:57.559 --> 07:58.436
See you next time.
07:58.518 --> 08:00.896
I got to WCW, man,
I was the happiest...
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third-string announcer
that had ever put on
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a pair of shoes.
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♪
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I came into WCW
so wide-eyed,
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because I was working for
Turner Broadcasting.
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He was very nice.
He was,
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just seemed like he was-
not a fish out of water,
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but he was kind
of uncomfortable,
08:17.579 --> 08:19.165
is the way it seemed
to start with.
08:19.207 --> 08:20.708
He's got a suit on,
and he's got,
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you know,
perfect black hair.
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He looked like a Ken doll.
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I'm here with
Diamond Dallas.
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The talent
within WCW...
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unbelievable.
08:28.216 --> 08:30.885
There was Dusty Rhodes,
and Gordon Solie,
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and Kevin Sullivan and,
certainly, Ric Flair.
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Woo!
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And there was
a new generation.
08:36.348 --> 08:39.434
Guys like Sting,
Diamond Dallas Page.
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Scott Hall was
the Diamond Stud.
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On 3-
1, 2, 3!
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Rip it off!
08:44.232 --> 08:46.400
Scott was working in
WCW when I was hired.
08:46.483 --> 08:47.859
So was Kevin Nash.
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Good-looking guy,
great physique.
08:50.195 --> 08:52.073
Fuck yeah.
08:52.155 --> 08:53.616
Poor Kevin Nash had so
many different characters
08:53.699 --> 08:55.034
in the beginning.
08:55.075 --> 08:56.535
They didn't know
what to do with him.
08:56.577 --> 08:59.121
Cowabunga!
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[Growling]
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I just shot Ninja Turtles.
09:03.166 --> 09:06.127
And then, I believe
Dusty took acid.
09:06.212 --> 09:09.381
And he said,
"Baby, you're gonna be Oz."
09:09.423 --> 09:13.386
I said, "You do realize that
the movie is called
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'The Wizard of Oz'?"
09:15.136 --> 09:17.555
I am Oz!
09:17.640 --> 09:20.392
You can be the wizard,
but you can't be Oz.
09:20.434 --> 09:23.061
Oz is the
geographical region.
09:23.103 --> 09:24.771
"No, baby,
you gonna be Oz."
09:24.854 --> 09:27.065
And I was just like,
"All right."
09:27.149 --> 09:29.776
World Championship Wrestling
is bringing it to you, baby.
09:29.859 --> 09:31.569
We're taking
a look at Oz.
09:31.612 --> 09:34.949
I just show up in this
lime green outfit,
09:35.031 --> 09:38.452
in an old man's
rubber mask.
09:38.535 --> 09:40.954
And then they wrestle...
09:41.037 --> 09:42.915
a geographical region.
09:42.998 --> 09:45.083
Look at this
move right here.
09:45.166 --> 09:48.588
They were trying to put a
round peg in a square hole.
09:48.628 --> 09:50.256
They tried to do the gimmicks.
09:50.338 --> 09:51.924
It looks like something's
going on down here.
09:51.966 --> 09:54.926
They would bring,
you know, RoboCop.
09:55.011 --> 09:57.096
What strength
by RoboCop!
09:57.179 --> 09:58.763
But they really didn't work.
09:58.805 --> 10:00.266
It didn't work.
10:00.348 --> 10:01.934
It was an absolute shit show.
10:02.017 --> 10:03.144
He's getting cooked!
10:03.227 --> 10:05.021
And I think he's
well done, guys!
10:05.103 --> 10:07.772
The crowd here,
going crazy!
10:07.814 --> 10:11.611
WCW had a loyal following.
10:11.694 --> 10:14.280
But, the Turner executives
regarded the WCW audience
10:14.322 --> 10:16.031
as being downscale.
10:16.114 --> 10:18.367
It was downscale.
10:18.450 --> 10:20.828
Very sort of, um...
10:20.910 --> 10:22.829
Southern and Midwestern.
10:22.912 --> 10:24.790
I didn't care about it,
I wasn't a fan of it.
10:24.832 --> 10:28.127
80% of the people who worked
at Turner weren't really
10:28.169 --> 10:31.005
wrestling fans to start with,
except for Ted.
10:31.088 --> 10:34.632
Ted Turner wears many hats
for his many colorful careers.
10:34.717 --> 10:36.801
He is the owner of the
baseball Atlanta Braves.
10:36.843 --> 10:38.304
[Cracking bat,
cheering fans]
10:38.386 --> 10:40.138
Basketball Atlanta Hawks.
10:40.222 --> 10:42.558
He has pioneered television
with his own cable network,
10:42.641 --> 10:44.894
which broadcasts
24 hours of news.
10:44.977 --> 10:46.811
Playboy Magazine
called him a bonafide
10:46.853 --> 10:48.689
larger-than-life
character.
10:48.772 --> 10:51.567
Captain Outrageous, that
was one of his nicknames.
10:51.651 --> 10:53.986
He will say anything
he wants to,
10:54.027 --> 10:55.529
any time he wants to.
10:55.612 --> 10:57.698
You said, "Network
presidents should be..."
10:57.781 --> 10:59.699
-"...lined up and shot."
-And shot.
10:59.784 --> 11:02.160
My kinda guy.
[Chuckling]
11:02.243 --> 11:05.539
Ted enjoyed the fact that,
"I know that you don't like
11:05.622 --> 11:08.918
my wrestling, and that's
exactly why I like it."
11:09.001 --> 11:11.712
It started when Dad bought
a little TV station
11:11.795 --> 11:15.382
here in Atlanta, and he
built an international
11:15.466 --> 11:19.053
broadcasting empire
in a few years.
11:19.136 --> 11:21.388
And wrestling was one of
those things that helped
11:21.472 --> 11:25.726
build TBS and the
entire network.
11:25.809 --> 11:28.521
I mean, you go back to the
beginning of television,
11:28.561 --> 11:30.021
wrestling was there.
11:30.106 --> 11:32.274
It was a lifeblood of
programming for
11:32.357 --> 11:33.733
local television stations.
11:33.818 --> 11:35.111
Oh!
11:35.194 --> 11:37.697
It could command
a loyal audience
11:37.737 --> 11:39.280
into millions of viewers.
11:39.364 --> 11:42.367
So, Ted believed in the
power, in the loyalty...
11:42.450 --> 11:43.535
and the size of the
11:43.577 --> 11:45.871
professional
wrestling audience.
11:45.954 --> 11:48.457
Ted launched WCW
as a result of
11:48.540 --> 11:50.376
purchasing
Jim Crockett Promotions,
11:50.418 --> 11:52.044
which was a Southern
wrestling company.
11:52.085 --> 11:54.045
Jesus Christ!
[Shrieking]
11:54.130 --> 11:58.800
WCW was seen as sort of the
long-suffering distant #2,
11:58.883 --> 12:00.553
trailing behind the WWF.
12:00.593 --> 12:04.890
The winner of the match...
The Diamond Stud!
12:04.931 --> 12:07.559
Scott Hall,
Kevin Nash...
12:07.642 --> 12:10.896
they left,
they go to the WWF.
12:10.938 --> 12:12.606
Scott Hall becomes
Razor Ramon,
12:12.689 --> 12:13.815
he becomes a big star.
12:13.899 --> 12:15.401
Kevin Nash
becomes Diesel.
12:15.483 --> 12:17.069
Boom, big star.
12:17.152 --> 12:19.905
From a standpoint
of the talent,
12:19.947 --> 12:22.574
we always considered
WWE the show.
12:22.616 --> 12:24.160
There's no comparison.
12:24.242 --> 12:26.953
From a production
value perspective...
12:27.036 --> 12:29.330
from a talent
roster perspective,
12:29.415 --> 12:32.918
from a marketing perspective,
from a financial perspective.
12:33.002 --> 12:35.963
WCW lost millions of
dollars, every year.
12:36.045 --> 12:38.591
I had been warned by
my boss, you know,
12:38.631 --> 12:40.633
"Don't help WCW."
12:40.718 --> 12:42.093
Why? If I help 'em
make money?
12:42.178 --> 12:45.305
"No, you don't understand."
Executive mangement
12:45.388 --> 12:46.973
hates wrestling and
wants to get rid of it,
12:47.056 --> 12:49.101
and if you're perceived
as trying to help them,
12:49.184 --> 12:50.935
that's career
suicide for you."
12:50.978 --> 12:52.188
I was like, "Huh."
12:52.271 --> 12:54.689
[Eric] Other than Ted Turner,
there was not an executive in
12:54.774 --> 12:57.651
Turner Broadcasting that
wanted WCW to be
12:57.734 --> 12:59.612
in the Turner portfolio.
12:59.694 --> 13:02.823
Put yourself in the position
of a television executive
13:02.906 --> 13:03.907
within that corporation.
13:03.991 --> 13:06.785
You have this division that
is losing as much as
13:06.868 --> 13:10.289
$10 million on a yearly basis,
and we don't really
13:10.372 --> 13:13.208
get the appeal of this
entire genre to begin with.
13:13.291 --> 13:14.959
So, of course, that was
going to create
13:15.002 --> 13:18.506
a lot of resentment and
confusion as to,
13:18.588 --> 13:20.466
"Why do we even have this
on the air waves?"
13:20.507 --> 13:22.300
Makes my blood
boil too!
13:22.383 --> 13:24.011
That's what really set
the conditions for this
13:24.093 --> 13:27.388
dysfunctional relationship
between TBS and WCW.
13:27.473 --> 13:29.641
♪
13:29.724 --> 13:31.559
Bill Shaw was the Vice
President of Human Resources
13:31.644 --> 13:33.228
for Turner Broadcasting.
13:33.311 --> 13:35.981
He was given responsibility
to take over WCW
13:36.064 --> 13:38.067
as effective
president of it.
13:38.150 --> 13:41.152
So, Bill came in. He said,
"Ted Turner has made a
13:41.194 --> 13:45.031
decision that this company is
going to either turn a profit,
13:45.114 --> 13:47.492
or Ted's gonna
pull the plug."
13:47.535 --> 13:49.828
Ted had made up his mind
that enough was enough,
13:49.911 --> 13:52.247
and he was gonna give WCW
one last shot.
13:52.330 --> 13:56.252
And, we're going to hire
an executive producer...
13:56.334 --> 13:59.003
who is going to take WCW
13:59.045 --> 14:02.882
from a wrestling company to
a television property.
14:02.967 --> 14:06.554
Wrestling was seen by
the wrestling people
14:06.636 --> 14:08.263
as an arena business.
14:08.347 --> 14:11.516
The only other person
besides Ted that
14:11.599 --> 14:15.228
saw it as television
was Eric.
14:15.311 --> 14:18.107
So, I threw my
name in the hat.
14:18.189 --> 14:21.734
A month or so later,
I'm the executive producer.
14:21.819 --> 14:23.444
This is your chance
to be a part
14:23.529 --> 14:25.863
of professional
wrestling history.
14:25.948 --> 14:27.867
What the hell
am I gonna do?
14:33.664 --> 14:36.541
From Harlem!
The Harlem Heat!
14:36.625 --> 14:38.209
Who comes down in the
hands of the Heat.
14:38.294 --> 14:40.920
And don't forget that,
sucker!
14:41.005 --> 14:42.171
[Laughing]
14:42.256 --> 14:45.383
The way my brother and I came
into WCW was a good old boy
14:45.425 --> 14:48.554
system gimmick, you know,
for two Black guys.
14:48.596 --> 14:50.890
This is a spectacular team!
14:50.930 --> 14:53.224
But, you could tell the
difference going from the
14:53.309 --> 14:56.770
good old boys era to the
Eric Bischoff era just by
14:56.853 --> 14:59.607
the way he tried to
create something.
14:59.689 --> 15:01.817
[Eric] I was hired as the
executive producer.
15:01.901 --> 15:05.905
My responsibility was solely
the look and feel of the show.
15:05.945 --> 15:07.573
Saturday Night!
15:07.655 --> 15:09.949
The biggest challenge that
we had was the fact that
15:10.034 --> 15:11.993
we couldn't attract
an audience.
15:12.077 --> 15:13.828
It looked horrible because
you had to turn the
15:13.911 --> 15:16.582
lights down to hide the fact
that nobody was there.
15:16.623 --> 15:18.333
How do we fix that?
15:18.416 --> 15:20.960
That's when I decided I was
gonna shoot the shows
15:21.045 --> 15:23.421
down at the Disney
MGM Studios.
15:23.463 --> 15:24.464
They had sound stages,
15:24.548 --> 15:27.675
so I could control the look
of the environment.
15:27.760 --> 15:30.471
And I had a fresh audience
coming through five times
15:30.554 --> 15:32.765
a day, so I could shoot
five or six shows with
15:32.848 --> 15:35.141
a fresh audience each
and every time.
15:35.224 --> 15:37.185
Spin 'em up- lights,
camera, action.
15:37.269 --> 15:38.771
[Cheering]
15:38.811 --> 15:40.606
I think Eric Bischoff
really wanted to
15:40.689 --> 15:43.275
take WCW away from being
15:43.317 --> 15:45.319
a Southern [accented]
'wrastling' company.
15:45.401 --> 15:47.029
You could see
the difference.
15:47.112 --> 15:48.948
You could feel it.
15:49.030 --> 15:52.617
In '94, I ascended from
Executive Producer to
15:52.700 --> 15:55.120
Vice President and,
at that time,
15:55.203 --> 15:57.622
nobody thought WCW
would ever be
15:57.705 --> 16:00.958
competitive with WWF.
16:01.001 --> 16:05.463
I needed people to
take WCW seriously.
16:05.506 --> 16:07.800
I needed Hulk Hogan.
16:07.841 --> 16:08.800
[Cheering]
16:08.842 --> 16:12.304
Hulk! Hogan!
16:12.346 --> 16:16.349
I don't think we'd be here
if there was no Hulk Hogan.
16:16.433 --> 16:20.478
In the 1980s, Hulk Hogan is
the patriotic, ultra-good guy.
16:20.521 --> 16:22.064
He's coming out waving
an American flag,
16:22.146 --> 16:24.315
fighting off these
evil foreigners.
16:24.357 --> 16:26.193
Hulkster tearing it to pieces!
16:26.276 --> 16:29.195
He was the one who broke
professional wrestling
16:29.279 --> 16:30.988
wide open!
16:31.030 --> 16:33.492
Commercials, cartoons.
16:33.574 --> 16:34.910
Kids loved him.
16:34.992 --> 16:37.161
Everybody knew Hulk Hogan.
16:37.203 --> 16:38.872
Whether you're a
professional wrestling fan
16:38.955 --> 16:41.083
or not,
you knew the name.
16:41.165 --> 16:43.168
Eating your vitamins,
saying your prayers.
16:43.251 --> 16:45.045
Say your prayers!
Eat your vitamins!
16:45.129 --> 16:48.881
Ric Flair's the greatest
wrestler of all time.
16:48.966 --> 16:51.718
But the guy that was
on Sports Illustrated,
16:51.802 --> 16:53.512
he's the guy.
16:53.594 --> 16:56.556
He is truly a real American.
16:56.640 --> 16:59.183
Coincidentally, while we
were shooting WCW at
16:59.267 --> 17:01.018
the Disney MGM Studios,
17:01.103 --> 17:03.897
Hulk Hogan was down at
Disney shooting a
17:03.980 --> 17:06.233
new series called
"Thunder In Paradise".
17:06.315 --> 17:08.610
Now, Hulk had been out of
wrestling for some time
17:08.693 --> 17:11.112
because of the steroid trial.
17:11.196 --> 17:13.699
[Cartoon] ...a good role model
'cause he just, like,
17:13.740 --> 17:15.784
did whatever it took
to get big, like,
17:15.868 --> 17:19.747
he took those
steroid pills.
17:19.830 --> 17:22.708
And I thought, why not at
least try to get a meeting?
17:22.791 --> 17:24.418
But he didn't
know who I was.
17:24.500 --> 17:26.128
So, I went to Ric Flair.
17:26.210 --> 17:27.211
Hello?
17:27.254 --> 17:30.090
I said, "Ric, do you think
you can set up a call or
17:30.173 --> 17:32.383
meeting between
Hulk and I?"
17:32.468 --> 17:33.802
One night,
I was sound asleep,
17:33.885 --> 17:35.429
and the phone rings and
I'm picking up the phone,
17:35.512 --> 17:37.096
and it's-
"Hey, Brother."
17:37.180 --> 17:40.726
Whoa! Wake up!
It was Hulk.
17:40.808 --> 17:44.604
Welcome Hulk Hogan!
17:44.688 --> 17:47.064
[Eric] Being able to work
with Hulk Hogan,
17:47.149 --> 17:49.401
being on the same roster
as Hulk Hogan
17:49.442 --> 17:51.070
elevated
everybody's career.
17:51.111 --> 17:52.403
And it had
immediate impact.
17:52.487 --> 17:53.738
All of a sudden,
people were
17:53.822 --> 17:56.115
returning phone calls
much faster.
17:56.199 --> 17:57.241
It's all perception.
17:57.325 --> 17:59.620
That's why we're here today,
for a match between
17:59.702 --> 18:01.913
two of wrestling's
biggest superstars-
18:01.997 --> 18:04.583
Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair.
18:04.666 --> 18:07.460
So, Hulk's original deal
included four Pay Per View's
18:07.544 --> 18:09.962
a year, and he had
creative control.
18:10.046 --> 18:11.840
Essentially means that he
gets a thumbs up or
18:11.923 --> 18:14.927
thumbs down as to whether
or not he wants to do it.
18:15.009 --> 18:17.595
1, 2...
18:17.638 --> 18:18.388
[Match bell ringing]
18:18.471 --> 18:20.599
WCW is about to
dominate the globe
18:20.641 --> 18:21.641
in professional wrestling.
18:21.725 --> 18:24.478
Talent began to get a little
confident that this
18:24.561 --> 18:27.439
Turner guy over here is
starting to get serious.
18:27.523 --> 18:29.315
Dad always loves
competition.
18:29.399 --> 18:32.276
So, you get a
Vince McMahon who says,
18:32.361 --> 18:34.112
"Oh, this is
my territory."
18:34.196 --> 18:36.824
Yeah, there's
gonna be problems.
18:36.907 --> 18:40.201
[Eric] Keep in mind, at that
point, I had never had a
18:40.285 --> 18:42.996
one-on-one meeting
with Ted Turner.
18:43.080 --> 18:45.958
And, I walked into
the meeting- my boss,
18:45.998 --> 18:47.959
Harvey Schiller, he was
already sitting there.
18:48.043 --> 18:50.879
Scott Sassa, the heir
apparent to Ted Turner
18:50.962 --> 18:54.131
at the time,
he was in the room.
18:54.173 --> 18:58.387
So, I sat down and,
immediately: "Eric...
18:58.469 --> 19:00.304
Let me ask you a question."
19:00.346 --> 19:02.141
I can't do a good Ted Turner
impersonation.
19:02.181 --> 19:04.642
"Ah, Eric...
19:04.726 --> 19:06.519
what's it gonna take for
19:06.603 --> 19:09.814
WCW to be competitive
with WWE?"
19:09.856 --> 19:10.983
[Ticking clock]
19:11.024 --> 19:12.817
In what seemed like
20 minutes-
19:12.901 --> 19:14.486
it was maybe
milliseconds,
19:14.527 --> 19:16.654
but it was like watching
your life pass before you
19:16.697 --> 19:18.574
right before
the train hits you.
19:18.657 --> 19:19.824
I don't know what
the answer is.
19:19.908 --> 19:22.035
[Eric] What are my options?
I can't bullshit Ted Turner.
19:22.119 --> 19:23.704
He'll see through
that so fast.
19:23.786 --> 19:25.663
Tell the truth.
Truth usually works.
19:25.706 --> 19:27.541
So, I'm just going to
tell him the truth.
19:27.623 --> 19:31.545
So, I said, "Ted,
they're on prime time.
19:31.628 --> 19:34.590
Monday night,
coast to coast.
19:34.672 --> 19:38.343
We're 6:05 Eastern,
3:05 Pacific
19:38.427 --> 19:40.929
on a Saturday.
19:41.013 --> 19:43.556
We can't be
competitive with that."
19:43.640 --> 19:44.932
Ted looks over to
Scott Sassa, and says,
19:45.016 --> 19:47.436
"Ah... Scott!
19:47.518 --> 19:49.854
Give Eric two hours every
Monday night,
19:49.938 --> 19:52.106
head-to-head.
WWE."
19:52.189 --> 19:55.026
I thought, how am I
gonna do this?
19:55.067 --> 19:56.903
And I walked out
of Ted's officed...
19:56.987 --> 19:58.738
locked myself in my room,
19:58.822 --> 20:00.865
sat there with a
yellow legal pad
20:00.949 --> 20:03.368
and said,
"Start thinking of ways."
20:03.451 --> 20:05.077
[Laughing]
20:05.161 --> 20:07.288
So, at this time, you know,
Monday Night Raw
20:07.372 --> 20:09.583
was the primary show
for the WWF.
20:09.666 --> 20:11.709
And the WWF was,
at that time,
20:11.793 --> 20:13.629
the first company to have
that prime time show
20:13.711 --> 20:14.880
on Mondays.
20:14.962 --> 20:18.132
Welcome to
Monday Night Raw!
20:18.217 --> 20:20.802
When Ted said,
you know,
20:20.885 --> 20:23.804
"I want to move WCW to TNT,"
20:23.889 --> 20:26.225
it was like, "What?
Are you kidding me?"
20:26.307 --> 20:29.061
I'd been killing myself
to build this brand that
20:29.102 --> 20:32.480
we were known as the premium
network on basic cable.
20:32.564 --> 20:35.316
When I tried to fight Ted
on it, I lost that battle.
20:35.400 --> 20:37.945
How can I be better
than the WWF?
20:38.027 --> 20:41.406
[Snorts]
I can't.
20:41.448 --> 20:43.491
Their production
value was much better.
20:43.574 --> 20:47.161
The story telling, it was
cleaner, easy to follow...
20:47.246 --> 20:51.083
and built everything to
feel larger than life.
20:51.123 --> 20:54.753
WCW always looked like it
was trying to
20:54.795 --> 20:57.296
catch up to the wheel
that just fell off.
20:57.381 --> 21:00.342
But if I can give people a
reason to watch me
21:00.424 --> 21:02.593
instead of them,
21:02.635 --> 21:04.304
I got a shot.
21:04.388 --> 21:06.974
Their one vulnerability was
that they were taped
21:07.056 --> 21:08.307
every other week.
21:08.391 --> 21:10.017
We should be live.
21:10.102 --> 21:11.268
I went to Brad Siegel,
and said,
21:11.311 --> 21:12.853
"I want to do this
live every week."
21:12.938 --> 21:15.314
We were so competitive
with USA Network.
21:15.399 --> 21:18.360
If we go up against them,
we're gonna hurt their
21:18.442 --> 21:21.697
highest rated show,
Raw, on Monday night.
21:21.779 --> 21:24.324
It would be the way that
we could win as the
21:24.408 --> 21:26.200
#1 basic cable network.
21:26.285 --> 21:29.161
He said, "We've got a block
of action programming
21:29.246 --> 21:30.622
called 'Nitro'.
21:30.706 --> 21:33.124
Why don't we thematically
keep it the same?
21:33.208 --> 21:36.128
We'll call the show Nitro."
"Hell yeah!"
21:36.210 --> 21:38.130
WCW Monday Nitro.
21:38.170 --> 21:40.131
But we could not
give tickets away.
21:40.172 --> 21:41.842
Keep in mind,
this is the first Nitro.
21:41.924 --> 21:43.468
Nobody's ever
heard of it before.
21:43.509 --> 21:45.679
Well, if I can't put it in
an arena where
21:45.762 --> 21:48.015
it's going to look cool...
21:48.097 --> 21:50.141
what about
Mall of America?
21:50.182 --> 21:52.978
Mall Of America at the time
was like a big damn deal.
21:53.019 --> 21:55.479
The bargains are coming!
The bargains are coming!
21:55.522 --> 21:57.983
Back then, Mall Of America
was kind of a destination.
21:58.025 --> 22:00.736
Still, they're the largest
mall in the United States.
22:00.818 --> 22:03.572
Just about big enough to
hold WCW and
22:03.654 --> 22:06.574
its debut broadcast
of Monday Nitro.
22:06.658 --> 22:09.160
My hope was that I'd get
enough people that were
22:09.201 --> 22:11.662
walking by in the mall that
would stop long enough and
22:11.747 --> 22:15.249
watch that I could get kind
of a couple beauty shots.
22:15.333 --> 22:17.044
And it worked great.
22:17.126 --> 22:20.339
It looked like a really
cool fight club for yuppies.
22:20.421 --> 22:21.840
[Laughing]
22:21.881 --> 22:23.424
[Cheering]
22:23.507 --> 22:25.552
If you want surprises,
this is where you come,
22:25.634 --> 22:27.344
because our show is live,
22:27.387 --> 22:29.680
and you never know
who's gonna show up.
22:29.765 --> 22:30.891
[Chanting]
Luger!
22:30.974 --> 22:33.685
Lex Luger, everybody thought
that Lex was under contract.
22:33.727 --> 22:36.103
He had just been on
WWE the night before.
22:36.188 --> 22:39.358
WWE had no idea.
22:39.440 --> 22:40.859
And it set the tone for Nitro.
22:40.901 --> 22:44.196
When I came there,
Eric was testing the waters.
22:44.237 --> 22:45.781
I am Madusa.
22:45.863 --> 22:47.449
I was WWF's champion.
22:47.532 --> 22:49.700
I'm like,
I got an idea.
22:49.743 --> 22:52.079
And that's what I
think of the WWF
22:52.161 --> 22:53.872
Women's Championship belt.
22:53.955 --> 22:55.873
That shock value is
what we really needed
22:55.916 --> 22:57.292
to get the attention.
22:57.374 --> 22:59.419
That's the magic of live.
22:59.503 --> 23:01.880
That's what will
make us competitive.
23:01.962 --> 23:04.131
♪
23:04.216 --> 23:06.884
[Hulk Hogan] I'm focused on
that big, nasty giant.
23:06.927 --> 23:09.388
But the main thing,
like you said... [Fading]
23:09.429 --> 23:11.055
is to get in that ring,
brother...
23:11.139 --> 23:13.766
[Fading out]
23:13.850 --> 23:15.893
[Kevin Sullivan]
In this country...
23:15.977 --> 23:18.814
we love to
build people up.
23:18.897 --> 23:21.733
We love to
tear them down.
23:21.816 --> 23:25.152
And then, we love them to
rise from the ashes again.
23:25.237 --> 23:27.488
[Eric] We weren't seeing the
gains in terms of ratings
23:27.572 --> 23:29.449
that we had anticipated.
23:29.533 --> 23:31.493
We had kind of leveled out.
23:31.575 --> 23:33.077
Hulk could sense,
I think,
23:33.120 --> 23:35.122
that the Hulk Hogan
character...
23:35.205 --> 23:36.914
it was losing steam.
23:36.997 --> 23:38.249
They are taking him apart.
23:38.291 --> 23:39.250
[Eric] The audience still
reacted to it,
23:39.333 --> 23:42.254
but not the same way.
23:42.295 --> 23:44.005
I started to hear "boo's".
23:44.089 --> 23:46.591
Hulk Hogan making
his way to the ring.
23:46.674 --> 23:47.633
[Booing]
23:47.717 --> 23:49.593
The 80s were done.
23:49.635 --> 23:52.764
I needed to change the
perception of Hulk Hogan...
23:52.847 --> 23:54.266
and forever.
23:54.306 --> 23:56.101
[Surprised shouting]
What is he doing?
23:56.183 --> 23:59.103
Hulk Hogan has
betrayed WCW!
24:02.731 --> 24:04.359
[Commentary] Randy,
what's going on here?
24:04.441 --> 24:07.821
May 27th of 1996...
24:07.903 --> 24:10.865
Scott Hall debuted
on WCW television.
24:10.949 --> 24:13.118
You people...
24:13.160 --> 24:14.619
you know who I am.
24:14.660 --> 24:16.955
[Eric] Scott Hall worked and
performed for WWF
24:17.037 --> 24:18.622
as Razor Ramon.
24:18.664 --> 24:22.669
But you don't know
why I'm here.
24:22.751 --> 24:24.629
[Eric] Then Kevin Nash
shows up.
24:24.670 --> 24:28.299
Everybody knew
they were WWF guys.
24:28.382 --> 24:31.303
Oh, my god!
No, no! Turn it over now!
24:31.343 --> 24:34.221
Razor Ramon and
Diesel are on Nitro!
24:34.305 --> 24:36.475
Are they the WWF?
24:36.516 --> 24:40.312
You want a war?
We are taking over.
24:40.353 --> 24:42.814
They were bad guys that were
like invading the company.
24:42.855 --> 24:44.315
[Booker T]
This is different.
24:44.356 --> 24:46.651
This is something that
we have never seen
24:46.692 --> 24:47.861
in professional wrestling.
24:47.943 --> 24:50.237
[Eric]
By not dissuading people,
24:50.322 --> 24:52.990
that's what created the
perception that
24:53.033 --> 24:54.993
perhaps
this was an invasion.
24:55.075 --> 24:57.036
But of course it wasn't.
24:57.120 --> 25:00.039
They didn't want to renew
their contract with WWE.
25:00.122 --> 25:03.083
I'm thinking, ah, I need
a reality storyline.
25:03.168 --> 25:05.670
Admittedly now, you know,
enough time has gone by-
25:05.754 --> 25:09.548
[Laughing] I, admittedly,
allowed them to think that
25:09.632 --> 25:12.427
they were showing up
on behalf of WWE.
25:12.509 --> 25:15.764
Do you work for the WWF?
25:15.846 --> 25:17.181
No.
25:17.265 --> 25:19.516
And then they alluded
to a third man.
25:19.601 --> 25:23.354
You tell billionaire Ted to
break out the money and
25:23.438 --> 25:27.691
get anybody he can
because the big "mang",
25:27.776 --> 25:31.237
and the medium-sized "mang",
and our surprise buddy
25:31.321 --> 25:35.741
are gonna
carve them up.
25:35.824 --> 25:38.870
[Eric] Big surprise coming in.
Who's the third man?
25:38.954 --> 25:41.538
All while that's going
on on television,
25:41.581 --> 25:43.374
Hulk Hogan's in California
doing a movie called
25:43.416 --> 25:44.417
"Santa With Muscles".
25:44.500 --> 25:45.876
Keep the milk
and cookies warm.
25:45.960 --> 25:47.420
-Classic.
-[Phone ringing]
25:47.504 --> 25:49.714
I get a phone call
from Hulk: "Brother..."
25:49.797 --> 25:50.881
"Any way I could get
you to come out?
25:50.966 --> 25:52.551
I want to talk to you
about creative."
25:52.592 --> 25:54.553
Got to his trailer,
he's waiting for me.
25:54.635 --> 25:58.055
He says, "Brother,
who's the third man?"
25:58.097 --> 25:59.932
What have we got here,
The Sting!
26:00.016 --> 26:02.227
I already spent two weeks
convincing Sting to
26:02.268 --> 26:04.228
turn heel and be
the third man.
26:04.270 --> 26:06.230
I didn't want to tell Hulk,
26:06.273 --> 26:08.400
but I didn't want to
lie to him either.
26:08.483 --> 26:10.818
"Who do you think
it should be?"
26:10.901 --> 26:14.322
"You're looking at him,
brother." Oh, wow!
26:14.406 --> 26:17.241
World Championship Wrestling
presents the
26:17.284 --> 26:19.244
Bash at the Beach!
26:19.285 --> 26:21.246
I didn't want him to
come to the building
26:21.287 --> 26:22.997
until the very
last minute.
26:23.081 --> 26:25.249
I talked to Kevin Sullivan
about the best way to
26:25.333 --> 26:26.918
try to achieve that.
26:27.001 --> 26:32.006
Kevin Sullivan sequestered
Hulk in Daytona Beach.
26:32.090 --> 26:33.924
He had to babysit him
for like a whole night
26:33.967 --> 26:36.260
'cause he was afraid that
Hogan might not show up
26:36.343 --> 26:38.763
as a mystery third man.
26:38.846 --> 26:40.431
There were a lot of risks
to Hulk turning heel.
26:40.472 --> 26:42.266
You have to put
yourself in his shoes.
26:42.308 --> 26:45.103
[Kevin Sullivan]
Hulk is a very loyal guy,
26:45.186 --> 26:48.273
and he was carrying
a lot of people.
26:48.355 --> 26:50.775
If he lost his endorsements,
26:50.859 --> 26:54.653
if he lost movies...
26:54.737 --> 26:58.283
Maybe their pocketbook
would be hurt.
26:58.365 --> 26:59.659
[Eric] I knew that there
was a chance with the
26:59.743 --> 27:01.201
people around Hulk,
27:01.285 --> 27:03.455
he could possibly
second guess himself.
27:03.496 --> 27:05.372
We don't know yet
who the third man is.
27:05.457 --> 27:08.043
[Kevin Sullivan]
We didn't leave my house
27:08.125 --> 27:11.462
'til the first
match started.
27:11.504 --> 27:15.717
I didn't want anybody
to get to him.
27:15.799 --> 27:17.634
Hulk shows up
at the building.
27:17.718 --> 27:20.304
I still don't know at this
point where his head is at
27:20.346 --> 27:21.640
'cause we hadn't
talked all day.
27:21.722 --> 27:22.974
Lex Luger!
27:23.057 --> 27:24.851
The Macho Man
Randy Savage!
27:24.933 --> 27:29.814
And Sting will represent
WCW to beat these outsiders.
27:29.855 --> 27:31.399
Oh!
27:31.483 --> 27:32.984
When Hogan came
down the ramp,
27:33.067 --> 27:35.070
I still wasn't 100% sure.
27:35.152 --> 27:38.323
Hulk Hogan is here!
Hulk Hogan's here!
27:38.406 --> 27:42.201
Hulk comes down,
we clear out.
27:42.285 --> 27:44.704
He hits the rope,
drops the leg.
27:44.787 --> 27:46.706
Oh, oh, oh!
What is he doing?
27:46.789 --> 27:48.541
Oh, my god!
Is he the third man?
27:48.624 --> 27:49.708
He's the third man!
27:49.793 --> 27:53.420
The production truck erupted
with elation for what just
27:53.505 --> 27:55.840
went down and how the
crowd reacted to it.
27:55.881 --> 27:58.843
It was a roar like we
hadn't heard before.
27:58.884 --> 28:01.012
[Roaring cheering]
28:01.054 --> 28:03.390
And it got louder
and angrier,
28:03.472 --> 28:05.225
and it was building.
28:05.307 --> 28:08.061
They were pissed!
Really pissed.
28:08.143 --> 28:10.354
What do we got here?
We got a fan coming in.
28:10.397 --> 28:12.231
He's a hero, and now the
hero's standing in the
28:12.314 --> 28:14.234
middle of the ring that was
filling up with garbage,
28:14.316 --> 28:16.695
telling every one of those
fans he was only in it
28:16.777 --> 28:18.362
for the money.
28:18.446 --> 28:20.907
[The Rock] It would be like Babe
Ruth telling all the fans
28:20.989 --> 28:22.950
who had followed him for
years, and years, and years
28:23.034 --> 28:24.869
to stick their support
right up their ass.
28:24.910 --> 28:25.870
[Laughing]
28:25.954 --> 28:28.707
All this crap in the ring
28:28.789 --> 28:31.708
represents these
fans out here!
28:31.750 --> 28:35.045
It was the biggest turn in
the history of wrestling.
28:35.130 --> 28:37.966
Saved his career.
28:38.048 --> 28:40.134
And then it becomes the
three guys, with Hulk.
28:40.218 --> 28:42.262
Now it's like,
who are they?
28:42.344 --> 28:44.264
You can call this...
28:44.346 --> 28:48.267
The New World Order
of wrestling, brother!
28:48.351 --> 28:51.603
I didn't know what the
NWO was about to become.
28:51.688 --> 28:54.064
NWO, take one.
[Claps]
28:54.106 --> 28:57.736
NWO's the thing that
really broke everything.
28:57.818 --> 28:59.903
What was happening
in pop culture,
28:59.946 --> 29:02.907
they were representing it
with their spin on it.
29:02.949 --> 29:04.909
It was like street.
29:04.950 --> 29:07.245
We can't have them have
any association
29:07.286 --> 29:08.496
with WCW whatsoever.
29:08.580 --> 29:10.081
This is our show!
29:10.164 --> 29:12.749
We're doing it our way!
29:12.792 --> 29:15.128
Those small elements-
29:15.210 --> 29:17.421
the way we shot the
NWO interviews-
29:17.464 --> 29:18.422
we shot in
black and white.
29:18.465 --> 29:19.256
"Black and white?"
29:19.340 --> 29:20.174
"Why are you doing
black and white?"
29:20.257 --> 29:21.926
Trust me, black and
white'll be cool.
29:22.009 --> 29:23.469
Not only was it
pretty fucking cool,
29:23.553 --> 29:25.095
but also,
disruptive.
29:25.179 --> 29:27.931
And, those guys were the
right talent to pull it off.
29:27.974 --> 29:30.351
They did whatever the
fuck they wanted to do.
29:30.435 --> 29:31.936
[Indistinct shouting]
29:32.019 --> 29:33.145
Didn't care whether
you cheered them
29:33.228 --> 29:34.439
or you booed them.
29:34.522 --> 29:37.150
-Oh, my god!
-Zero fucks to give.
29:37.233 --> 29:39.276
NWO!
29:39.318 --> 29:41.112
For life!
29:41.196 --> 29:43.531
Those guys really set
the world on fire.
29:43.614 --> 29:44.615
Woo!
29:44.699 --> 29:47.368
My son came home from school
and asked me if I could
29:47.451 --> 29:50.205
bring him four or five NWO
shirts so he could take them
29:50.287 --> 29:52.791
to school the next day, and
I said, "Why?" He said,
29:52.832 --> 29:56.335
"All my friends want them."
Well, absolutely!
29:56.419 --> 29:58.129
That's what we began
to see emerging
29:58.170 --> 30:01.466
with Eric's version of
what the NWO was.
30:01.507 --> 30:03.301
They were bad,
but they were cool.
30:03.343 --> 30:06.137
To this day,
there's still NWO shirts.
30:06.179 --> 30:08.847
I don't see any other
shirts from WCW.
30:08.931 --> 30:11.141
The fans were so...
30:11.183 --> 30:14.062
intoxicated with NWO.
30:14.144 --> 30:15.729
It made
everything bigger.
30:15.814 --> 30:18.149
And, when something
gets too big, too fast,
30:18.233 --> 30:20.651
shit's gonna hit the
fan at some point.
30:20.735 --> 30:21.611
And then it did.
30:21.693 --> 30:23.487
Oh, they're in the
control room now!
30:23.529 --> 30:24.906
Hold on,
what do we got here?
30:24.988 --> 30:26.032
-What does that do?
-Don't touch that.
30:26.114 --> 30:28.368
Whoa!
Fade to black!
30:28.450 --> 30:29.910
Shouldn't have
bought that cheap TV!
30:29.994 --> 30:30.954
[Laughing]
30:32.872 --> 30:35.166
You go back, and you look
at Nitro ratings from the
30:35.249 --> 30:37.334
premiere episode all
the way up until
30:37.418 --> 30:39.754
the NWO was revealed.
30:39.836 --> 30:41.672
We were doing fine.
30:41.714 --> 30:42.881
We'd win a week or two.
30:42.966 --> 30:44.551
WWE would win
a week or two.
30:44.633 --> 30:47.010
We were essentially even.
30:47.094 --> 30:49.054
Until the NWO.
30:49.138 --> 30:53.852
Legitimately, the NWO
was responsible for
30:53.935 --> 30:56.688
80% of our growth.
30:56.770 --> 30:57.689
And I thought, okay,
30:57.772 --> 31:00.275
I've gotta find a way
to maintain the reality.
31:00.358 --> 31:02.192
New World Order,
punk.
31:02.276 --> 31:04.027
Something that the
audience can't tell
31:04.112 --> 31:06.447
whether it's real,
or whether it's not.
31:06.531 --> 31:08.949
Worst thing you can do
on earth in
31:09.033 --> 31:12.411
professional wrestling is
have a backstage fight.
31:12.495 --> 31:13.746
Hey!
31:13.830 --> 31:17.417
Everybody that throws
a punch backstage...
31:17.499 --> 31:21.880
goes,
"Ugh! Ooh! Uh!"
31:21.962 --> 31:23.922
It's so bad.
31:24.006 --> 31:27.593
We wanted to make the
back look completely real.
31:27.677 --> 31:30.429
Not a wrestling program.
31:30.513 --> 31:31.722
Oh, no!
31:31.805 --> 31:33.975
Neal Pruitt came up
with the idea of the
31:34.057 --> 31:36.268
production people helping.
31:36.352 --> 31:39.730
Up until that time, I never
had gone to a producer
31:39.814 --> 31:41.481
and said,
"What kind of shot?"
31:41.565 --> 31:43.735
But I went to him.
31:43.776 --> 31:46.946
Konnan up on the middle
turnbuckle, climbs the top.
31:47.029 --> 31:48.238
Nicely done.
31:48.323 --> 31:49.949
There was that one night
we were in Orlando
31:50.033 --> 31:51.450
at the Disney tapings.
31:51.534 --> 31:54.579
[Cheering]
31:54.621 --> 31:56.122
We wanted to make it
look like NWO
31:56.205 --> 31:58.416
just came and
wreaked havoc.
31:58.458 --> 32:00.834
And, took over.
32:00.919 --> 32:02.586
We need somebody
in the back! Please!
32:02.670 --> 32:03.962
What is he talking about,
need somebody?
32:04.046 --> 32:04.964
He's trying to
get a cameraman-
32:05.047 --> 32:07.592
We were inspired a bit
by Hill Street Blues,
32:07.674 --> 32:10.428
as far as the way you moved
throughout a scene
32:10.510 --> 32:11.804
with one camera.
32:11.888 --> 32:13.264
We were all about
making it work.
32:13.305 --> 32:16.935
Making what looked
like reality happen.
32:17.017 --> 32:18.227
Craig can hear us.
32:18.311 --> 32:20.438
Craig, are you gonna send a
cameraman back there or not?
32:20.479 --> 32:22.774
They're coming
around the corner.
32:22.856 --> 32:24.776
Wait a minute,
we go to the back!
32:24.816 --> 32:26.486
And we had baseball bats.
32:26.568 --> 32:28.528
They got baseball bats!
32:28.612 --> 32:31.824
All the carnage has
already taken place.
32:31.908 --> 32:34.451
It's the old Hitchcock.
32:34.535 --> 32:37.455
See the knife and
then you see the blood.
32:37.537 --> 32:40.624
You let the mind
create the violence.
32:40.708 --> 32:42.209
[Indistinct shouting]
32:42.293 --> 32:43.670
[Eric]
They're picking up props.
32:43.753 --> 32:46.296
They were nailing it.
32:46.339 --> 32:48.131
They all worked their asses
off to make it look
32:48.173 --> 32:49.717
as believable
as it could.
32:49.801 --> 32:52.469
And I don't know if it was
planned in advance-
32:52.553 --> 32:53.970
only Kevin Nash
or Rey Mysterio
32:54.013 --> 32:54.930
could tell you that.
32:55.014 --> 32:57.891
Nash picked up Rey Mysterio
and threw him
32:57.976 --> 32:59.643
against the trailer
like a lawn dart.
32:59.686 --> 33:00.978
Whap!
33:01.019 --> 33:03.230
We're gonna have
Kevin Nash standing there.
33:03.314 --> 33:06.651
And, they're gonna have Rey
Mysterio Jr. jump on him.
33:06.734 --> 33:08.902
And there's Rey Mysterio-
Hey! He dove!
33:08.987 --> 33:10.822
Rey says, "Do you think
you can throw me
33:10.862 --> 33:14.409
through that window?"
"No, dude.
33:14.491 --> 33:17.996
It's a window." [Laughs]
"You'll die."
33:18.036 --> 33:20.247
I said, "Let me just
throw you off the trailer."
33:20.331 --> 33:23.167
-Ugh!
-Oh! Headfirst!
33:23.208 --> 33:25.920
So, we were doing things
that nobody had ever seen.
33:26.004 --> 33:28.339
[Eric] It looked like a
giant crime scene.
33:28.422 --> 33:29.716
[Shouting]
33:29.798 --> 33:31.217
Creates emotion
in the audience.
33:31.299 --> 33:33.009
Please,
somebody help him!
33:33.052 --> 33:33.885
And they forget that
33:33.969 --> 33:36.389
they're watching
professional wrestling.
33:36.471 --> 33:38.516
We're gonna try to get
this all back together.
33:38.557 --> 33:40.685
And, ah,
we'll be back.
33:40.727 --> 33:43.770
WCW really started to leave
their competition in the dust,
33:43.854 --> 33:47.858
and that was the vaunted
83-week winning streak.
33:47.900 --> 33:51.362
We were pro wrestling.
33:51.403 --> 33:54.240
And they were playing
catchup for the first time.
33:54.322 --> 33:55.407
I remember when
that happened.
33:55.490 --> 33:56.950
I remember thinking,
33:57.034 --> 33:59.037
"We should do more
shit like that."
33:59.119 --> 34:03.206
That freedom,
we did not have.
34:03.291 --> 34:05.584
[Diamond Dallas Page]
And to see the company,
34:05.668 --> 34:08.378
not only compete
with the WWE,
34:08.463 --> 34:10.965
but knock 'em on their
ass for 83 weeks,
34:11.048 --> 34:13.717
like,
straight weeks...
34:13.800 --> 34:14.802
Wow!
34:14.885 --> 34:17.805
It is the #1 professional
wrestling program
34:17.889 --> 34:19.389
around the world!
34:19.474 --> 34:22.226
Once those ratings started,
there was no stopping him.
34:22.309 --> 34:25.563
I think the war with WWF
was personal with Eric.
34:25.604 --> 34:27.398
He was always
tracing ratings.
34:27.439 --> 34:30.818
Eric cared more about ratings
than advertising dollars.
34:30.901 --> 34:33.112
This is a television company.
34:33.195 --> 34:36.782
And we're going to run WCW
like a television company.
34:36.865 --> 34:40.285
It was this
maniacal desire
34:40.369 --> 34:43.914
to be #1 and to beat WWF.
34:43.997 --> 34:47.251
There was a competitive
pressure that I put on myself.
34:47.293 --> 34:49.461
So, Vince McMahon,
this is for you.
34:49.545 --> 34:52.756
And I said something like,
"I'm not gonna stop
34:52.798 --> 34:55.760
'til I drive a stake
through the heart of
34:55.842 --> 34:58.595
Vincent K. McMahon!"
34:58.637 --> 35:00.597
I may have gone
a little over the top.
35:06.186 --> 35:08.981
[Buzzing] "Er".
Back up. 1996.
35:09.064 --> 35:11.108
I keep hearing how
Vince McMahon
35:11.191 --> 35:13.945
plans his stuff out a
year in advance.
35:14.028 --> 35:15.947
He knows what he's gonna
have in next year's
35:16.030 --> 35:19.117
WrestleMania ten months
before it happens.
35:19.157 --> 35:20.659
Why can't we do that?
35:20.742 --> 35:23.204
And I saw Sting as the
opportunity to do that.
35:23.287 --> 35:27.291
And the Stinger making
his way to the ring!
35:27.374 --> 35:29.293
One night, Scott Hall
started explaining
35:29.376 --> 35:31.546
this idea that he had
for a new version of
35:31.628 --> 35:33.380
the Sting character,
based on the
35:33.463 --> 35:36.175
Brandon Lee character in
the movie The Crow.
35:36.258 --> 35:38.468
And he goes,
"You're the scary Sting."
35:38.510 --> 35:40.137
And I looked
over at Sting,
35:40.179 --> 35:41.889
and his eyes were
like this big.
35:41.972 --> 35:44.642
The Sting Crow
character was born.
35:44.724 --> 35:46.309
-That's Sting.
-It is, but...
35:46.394 --> 35:47.854
Once he went up
in the rafters,
35:47.936 --> 35:49.563
that built the anticipation
that was needed to
35:49.646 --> 35:51.898
really put that
character over.
35:51.983 --> 35:54.150
That started what became
an 18-month story.
35:54.193 --> 35:55.987
Oh, my! Sting!
35:56.070 --> 35:57.405
And he started
showing up and
35:57.488 --> 35:59.990
scaring the hell out of
everybody in the NWO.
36:00.074 --> 36:01.409
He's got everybody!
36:01.492 --> 36:03.827
Sting would finally
confront Hogan.
36:03.910 --> 36:06.246
They'd have the match
for control of WCW.
36:06.329 --> 36:08.374
-He's pointing at me!
-Don't worry about it!
36:08.456 --> 36:10.501
It was something, really,
that had not been done to
36:10.543 --> 36:12.253
this degree before in
the history of wrestling,
36:12.336 --> 36:14.505
which was making
the decision that...
36:14.546 --> 36:17.008
we're actually not gonna pay
this off next week or
36:17.090 --> 36:19.092
next month, but we're gonna
keep this going until the
36:19.177 --> 36:21.595
end of the year in our
Starrcade Pay Per View.
36:21.679 --> 36:23.222
Welcome to Starrcade!
36:23.305 --> 36:25.682
1997!
36:25.724 --> 36:29.228
An event 18 months
in the making!
36:29.311 --> 36:31.771
Sting is gonna
lead Hogan clean.
36:31.856 --> 36:33.900
WCW's gonna
come out on top.
36:33.983 --> 36:36.235
Then it's gonna be up
to NWO to kind of
36:36.318 --> 36:37.528
rebuild from
the ground up.
36:37.612 --> 36:38.945
That was the plan.
36:39.030 --> 36:41.865
Sting has returned to
the wrestling ring...
36:41.949 --> 36:47.204
to reclaim WCW's
title from the NWO.
36:47.246 --> 36:49.916
The original finish,
it got convoluted and
36:49.999 --> 36:52.043
compromised
throughout the day.
36:52.126 --> 36:55.588
There was supposed to be
the big boot by Hogan,
36:55.671 --> 36:58.758
the leg drop on Sting,
the cover.
36:58.840 --> 37:01.968
But, the referee's supposed
to do a fast count.
37:02.052 --> 37:04.889
It wasn't a fast count,
but Bret Hart came in,
37:04.930 --> 37:07.557
restarted the match with
himself as the referee.
37:07.642 --> 37:09.809
That was three.
Hey, what are you doing? Ah!
37:09.894 --> 37:13.271
Well, even the idea, the
referee and the fast count
37:13.356 --> 37:14.189
and the whole thing,
I remember when they
37:14.273 --> 37:16.775
gave it to me, it was like,
"Really?"
37:16.858 --> 37:18.778
Like, that is the
lamest ending.
37:18.860 --> 37:20.488
Bret Hart is here
tonight as the referee.
37:20.570 --> 37:23.157
Is that right?
Is that correct?
37:23.240 --> 37:27.077
It's an awful,
stupid, and very...
37:27.119 --> 37:29.121
convoluted ending
for the match,
37:29.204 --> 37:30.997
but I remember
Eric Bischoff insisting
37:31.081 --> 37:33.834
how it was gonna
be fantastic.
37:33.918 --> 37:34.834
Hart's right in
Hogan's face!
37:34.918 --> 37:36.796
[Bell ringing]
37:36.878 --> 37:39.423
And the crowd reacted the
way you wanted them
37:39.506 --> 37:40.925
to react,
initially.
37:40.967 --> 37:43.510
"Yay!
Sting finally won."
37:43.593 --> 37:46.764
Heavyweight Champion
of the World!
37:46.805 --> 37:49.599
Sting!
37:49.684 --> 37:52.478
It wasn't until afterwards
that people started to
37:52.561 --> 37:55.856
realize what a
convoluted finish it was.
37:55.939 --> 37:57.691
In our business,
37:57.775 --> 37:59.860
you can screw up
the whole match.
37:59.943 --> 38:02.613
Do not fuck up the finish.
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Then all hell
broke loose.
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♪
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[Eric]
Back in internet world,
38:08.785 --> 38:11.162
all the purveyors
of truth out there, they-
38:11.246 --> 38:13.624
all of a sudden-
became so obsessed over
38:13.708 --> 38:16.209
the finish of
Starrcade '97.
38:16.293 --> 38:19.130
'What really happened
between Sting and Hogan?"
38:19.171 --> 38:20.630
"Why did it happen?"
38:20.673 --> 38:22.967
"How did you
let that happen?"
38:23.050 --> 38:25.218
I mean, I still get
heat for that.
38:25.302 --> 38:27.387
[Konnan] Bischoff had kind of
hitched his wagon to Hogan,
38:27.470 --> 38:29.180
he kind of listened
to what he said
38:29.264 --> 38:31.224
more than the
other guys.
38:31.309 --> 38:33.351
[Eric] On the day of the
Sting-Hogan match,
38:33.436 --> 38:37.981
it was apparent to both
Hulk and I that Sting didn't
38:38.064 --> 38:42.485
appear to be nearly as
excited about the opportunity
38:42.528 --> 38:45.197
that we'd been working
on for 18 months.
38:45.280 --> 38:48.492
There was something about
him that day that was off.
38:48.534 --> 38:49.744
Sting left the room,
38:49.827 --> 38:52.162
and Hulk and I kind
of looked at each other,
38:52.246 --> 38:53.496
and I said, "What are
you thinking?"
38:53.581 --> 38:56.416
And he goes,
"Not today, brother.
38:56.499 --> 38:59.211
Not today.
His head's not right."
38:59.295 --> 39:02.213
Hulk just wasn't
feeling it so,
39:02.298 --> 39:04.550
we changed the finish,
or lack thereof,
39:04.633 --> 39:05.842
of a clean finish,
39:05.925 --> 39:08.387
because Hulk Hogan
has creative control.
39:08.470 --> 39:11.057
He had creative control,
he didn't give two shits.
39:11.139 --> 39:14.351
He'd walk in at 7:30,
read the TV and say,
39:14.434 --> 39:16.019
"Doesn't work
for me, brother."
39:16.061 --> 39:18.688
Yes, you know, free right
to pretty much do
39:18.731 --> 39:20.273
whatever he wanted,
and he has no interest
39:20.358 --> 39:22.943
in that company
other than himself.
39:23.026 --> 39:24.862
That right there
can really start
39:24.945 --> 39:26.697
turning things
a certain way.
39:26.780 --> 39:28.699
I think the only guy that
39:28.740 --> 39:31.409
was not political was Sting.
39:31.494 --> 39:34.204
Sting didn't seem to
be part of that group.
39:34.287 --> 39:38.209
I think Sting had been
convinced that Hulk was
39:38.291 --> 39:39.709
gonna pull the rug out
from underneath him
39:39.793 --> 39:41.461
at the last minute.
39:41.545 --> 39:45.215
He walked into that
meeting expecting it.
39:45.298 --> 39:47.258
And it actually
manifested it.
39:47.342 --> 39:49.427
When guys got those
kind of agendas,
39:49.512 --> 39:52.722
thinking about themselves,
that's what happens.
39:52.807 --> 39:55.559
And, ah, that's pretty much
when the ship start-
39:55.601 --> 39:57.394
started to go down.
40:05.026 --> 40:06.737
[Eric] Starrcade '97,
Hogan and Sting,
40:06.820 --> 40:10.240
is gonna haunt me for
the rest of my life.
40:10.282 --> 40:13.244
We had the audience in
the palm of our hands.
40:13.284 --> 40:16.621
But unfortunately,
the end didn't
40:16.704 --> 40:19.291
live up to the
rest of the story.
40:19.374 --> 40:21.793
And certainly wasn't
what the fans wanted.
40:21.876 --> 40:24.255
You'll find people who think
that was the reason
40:24.296 --> 40:26.256
WCW kind of
went downhill.
40:26.298 --> 40:28.800
Whatever,
wrestling fans.
40:28.883 --> 40:32.470
♪
40:32.555 --> 40:35.099
The WWF had really
established a strong
40:35.141 --> 40:37.476
creative foundation
throughout '97.
40:37.559 --> 40:38.601
If you go back and
look at the numbers,
40:38.644 --> 40:41.771
you can start to see that
gap getting ever closer.
40:41.856 --> 40:43.189
Vince McMahon went
on camera, and said,
40:43.273 --> 40:44.941
"We're gonna change
the way we do things.
40:44.983 --> 40:47.945
We're not gonna insult the
audience's intelligence."
40:47.987 --> 40:49.280
The World Wrestling
Federation has been an
40:49.363 --> 40:51.282
entertainment mainstay
here in North America,
40:51.322 --> 40:52.782
and all over the world.
40:52.825 --> 40:55.785
As the times have
changed, so have we.
40:55.827 --> 40:57.037
I'm happy to say
that this new,
40:57.121 --> 40:59.456
vibrant creative direction
has resulted in a
40:59.497 --> 41:02.041
huge increase in
television viewership.
41:02.126 --> 41:03.961
He's saying, "We're gonna
do what those other guys are
41:04.003 --> 41:06.046
doing because it's really
kicking our ass and
41:06.130 --> 41:08.215
it's beginning to hurt."
41:08.298 --> 41:12.135
Vince brings Mike Tyson
into WrestleMania...
41:12.218 --> 41:15.472
knowing that anything
that Tyson does,
41:15.514 --> 41:17.141
it's a million bucks.
41:17.182 --> 41:19.476
[Cheering]
41:19.517 --> 41:21.144
Tyson!
41:21.186 --> 41:23.229
The next night
I saw Kevin,
41:23.313 --> 41:25.858
first thing I said
to Kev was...
41:25.941 --> 41:29.487
"You feel the water?
It's getting cold."
41:29.570 --> 41:33.157
In other words, we're on
our way to the iceberg.
41:33.199 --> 41:35.242
Me and Disco Inferno,
41:35.325 --> 41:37.994
we thought
The Rock was cool.
41:38.077 --> 41:40.331
And we thought
Steve Austin was cool.
41:40.414 --> 41:42.708
And me and Disco were always
in the back watching them,
41:42.791 --> 41:44.918
you know, backstage,
and we would get heat:
41:45.001 --> 41:46.170
"Why are you
watching the show?"
41:46.211 --> 41:48.088
"'Cause it's
better than ours."
41:48.171 --> 41:51.258
You know, at that time,
I really did not give a fuck.
41:51.342 --> 41:53.760
Bischoff, he remembers
the big crowds and
41:53.843 --> 41:56.847
he was the king pin.
But the truth of it is,
41:56.930 --> 41:59.391
he never knew anything
about wrestling.
41:59.474 --> 42:00.767
And then towards
the end, basically,
42:00.851 --> 42:03.771
he was just
yes-ing to Hogan.
42:03.854 --> 42:05.563
It was a disaster.
42:05.648 --> 42:07.608
Hogan was the
bigger talent.
42:07.691 --> 42:10.528
Hogan was the guy that
he was gonna go with.
42:10.610 --> 42:13.530
No matter what.
42:13.572 --> 42:16.367
That's the bond right there,
Hogan and Bischoff.
42:16.450 --> 42:19.619
They're both accountable
to each other.
42:19.702 --> 42:23.039
That's the secret, is that
Hulk Hogan was basically
42:23.081 --> 42:25.709
the puppet master
to Eric Bischoff,
42:25.793 --> 42:28.211
and Erich Bischoff...
42:28.295 --> 42:30.923
he was just a prop and,
42:31.005 --> 42:33.300
that's what killed WCW.
42:33.383 --> 42:35.802
[Eric] Everything looks easier
from the outside,
42:35.885 --> 42:38.639
but once you get inside,
you realize just how
42:38.722 --> 42:41.642
complicated and nuanced some
things that appear to be
42:41.724 --> 42:44.936
so easy and so
simple really are.
42:45.019 --> 42:47.898
Who's responsible
for killing WCW?
42:47.939 --> 42:50.150
Just look at some of the
names who were floating around
42:50.233 --> 42:53.403
at the highest levels
within Turner Broadcasting.
42:53.445 --> 42:56.657
They wanted
WCW to go away.
42:56.740 --> 42:58.742
And they got
their wish.
42:58.825 --> 43:02.287
♪
43:03.414 --> 43:06.083
Whenever you're leading a
night and now you're not
43:06.166 --> 43:09.461
leading a night, there's
reason for concern.
43:09.545 --> 43:11.338
We hit a small brick wall.
43:11.421 --> 43:14.675
The wheels started
falling off, creatively.
43:14.758 --> 43:16.677
What the fuck is this?
43:16.760 --> 43:18.929
WWE's answer
was Attitude.
43:19.012 --> 43:20.430
Oh!
43:20.514 --> 43:22.766
They were willing to
go further creatively.
43:22.849 --> 43:26.186
That's exactly what we're
gonna do to kill you off.
43:26.269 --> 43:27.104
Why are we doing this?
43:27.186 --> 43:29.481
Is this "classy" enough
for our networks?
43:29.564 --> 43:31.316
That pissed me off.
43:31.400 --> 43:34.193
They started to handcuff us
with Standards & Practices.
43:34.278 --> 43:36.113
Can you say
"butt" on TBS?
43:36.155 --> 43:39.782
I'm not convinced that wasn't
an orchestrated hit job.
43:39.867 --> 43:41.284
I don't think
that's debatable.
43:41.367 --> 43:42.827
There were too
many conspiracies
43:42.910 --> 43:44.996
behind the scenes trying
to knock him off.
43:45.079 --> 43:47.499
Once you have the
monkeys running the zoo,
43:47.583 --> 43:48.709
you're in trouble.
43:48.791 --> 43:49.793
Woo!
43:49.834 --> 43:50.668
The blood was in the water,
43:50.753 --> 43:52.463
and the sharks were
coming to get it.
43:52.546 --> 43:54.548
That's the name
of the game.
43:54.630 --> 43:57.133
People will try
to manipulate.
43:57.217 --> 43:59.637
And who prevailed?
[Clicking tongue]
43:59.720 --> 44:01.639
[Loud popping]
44:01.722 --> 44:03.139
He is in the house!70085
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