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Roll it, Drew. 00:12.971 --> 00:17.224 [Crackling & popping fireworks] 00:17.307 --> 00:19.352 [Commentary] This is the last Nitro on the Turner Network, 00:19.393 --> 00:21.270 and we're going out with a bang! 00:21.353 --> 00:25.524 How do we all, on this very surreal day for all of us 00:25.608 --> 00:27.026 at World Championship Wrestling, 00:27.068 --> 00:29.529 a historic day in sports entertainment, 00:29.612 --> 00:31.530 and it goes down on our very last telecaster. 00:31.572 --> 00:33.907 Where does WCW go from here? 00:33.992 --> 00:35.075 What's in the cards? 00:35.160 --> 00:37.578 What's, what's going to happen? 00:37.661 --> 00:39.956 [Eric] If I'm giving a eulogy for WCW, 00:40.038 --> 00:41.707 what would I say? 00:41.791 --> 00:43.917 [Ric Flair] We were WCW! 00:44.002 --> 00:45.919 We lived, we breathed! 00:46.003 --> 00:47.212 We sweat! 00:47.297 --> 00:50.215 We paid the price! 00:50.258 --> 00:51.717 To be the best! 00:51.800 --> 00:54.595 [Cheering] 00:54.678 --> 00:56.431 [Madusa] We gather here today 00:56.514 --> 00:59.934 to bid farewell to a wrestling company. 01:00.018 --> 01:02.145 [Booker T] A company that grew from the ashes, 01:02.228 --> 01:05.398 rose to become the phoenix of professional wrestling. 01:05.482 --> 01:08.735 [The Rock] The legacy of WCW is iconic. 01:08.777 --> 01:11.404 I have just such a tremendous amount of reverence and 01:11.446 --> 01:14.407 respect for everything that they were able to do. 01:14.449 --> 01:16.825 [Bill] To know that it went from that... 01:16.910 --> 01:20.330 to being out of business, is a tragedy. 01:20.413 --> 01:22.289 [Konnan] People thinking about themselves and not the 01:22.372 --> 01:27.128 good of the company led to the death of WCW. 01:27.211 --> 01:29.297 [Kevin Nash] Thanks to the cash. 01:29.380 --> 01:31.590 [Bret Hart] Thanks for nothing. Go fuck yourselves. 01:31.633 --> 01:33.425 [Off-screen] [Laughing] 01:33.467 --> 01:35.928 I think that would sum it up. 01:36.012 --> 01:37.346 [Eric] You know, if I looked back and 01:37.429 --> 01:40.599 tried to describe the journey- 01:40.682 --> 01:44.437 the ups, the downs, the twists, the curves- 01:44.521 --> 01:47.272 the ride all along the way was a rush. 01:47.314 --> 01:48.273 [Clap] 01:48.315 --> 01:51.653 WCW innovated so many things that are still 01:51.736 --> 01:54.029 so much a part of the wrestling programming 01:54.112 --> 01:56.491 that we watch today. 01:56.574 --> 01:59.159 Going back to the 80s, early 90s, 01:59.243 --> 02:01.621 it was a little company that nobody thought was 02:01.703 --> 02:03.039 ever going to be successful. 02:03.123 --> 02:04.123 Boom! 02:04.207 --> 02:06.291 Any time anybody talked about professional wrestling 02:06.375 --> 02:08.002 in mainstream media... 02:08.086 --> 02:10.879 they didn't refer to it as "professional wrestling". 02:10.963 --> 02:13.173 They referred to it as "WWF". 02:13.258 --> 02:15.301 The World Wrestling Federation! 02:15.343 --> 02:17.845 If you look at where WCW started from... 02:17.928 --> 02:20.306 Tonight! On World Championship Wrestling! 02:20.390 --> 02:21.641 We were in a different universe, 02:21.724 --> 02:23.725 and not a favorable one. 02:23.809 --> 02:26.146 That's how far behind we were. 02:26.187 --> 02:30.315 Everybody was very happy to be a distant #2. 02:30.399 --> 02:31.818 Except for me. 02:31.860 --> 02:33.653 Nitro! It's on the air! 02:33.695 --> 02:37.407 The difference between WCW in '93... 02:37.490 --> 02:38.867 Take a look at the crowd! 02:38.950 --> 02:39.992 And '98... 02:40.076 --> 02:43.328 Over 40,000 fans are jammed in the Georgia Dome! 02:43.413 --> 02:46.165 We became the most successful wrestling company 02:46.207 --> 02:48.166 in the world, almost overnight. 02:48.208 --> 02:51.045 Gentlemen! Start your engines! 02:51.129 --> 02:54.840 WCW was able to transcend pop culture. 02:54.883 --> 02:56.217 Wow! The Sting! 02:56.301 --> 02:57.677 Timmy. 02:57.719 --> 03:01.346 Here comes the NWO, the greatest faction ever. 03:01.389 --> 03:02.891 I don't think I'd seen anything that's 03:02.974 --> 03:04.558 hotter than NWO. I was like, 03:04.641 --> 03:08.229 "Wow, this company's gonna go through the roof." 03:08.313 --> 03:09.689 We were standing on top of the mountain, going, 03:09.772 --> 03:11.273 "How did we get here?" 03:11.356 --> 03:13.568 And then, little by little, we just fell. 03:13.651 --> 03:14.944 Good night! 03:15.028 --> 03:17.070 It was like me having a puppy, 03:17.154 --> 03:19.574 raising him to be a full grown dog, 03:19.657 --> 03:21.617 and I watch him run across the street and 03:21.701 --> 03:23.243 he gets hit by a bus. 03:23.327 --> 03:24.746 Ugh! 03:24.828 --> 03:26.414 Egos, egos, egos. 03:26.497 --> 03:28.916 A lot of jealousy, a lot of problems. 03:28.999 --> 03:31.211 Do I got your attention now, Eric Bischoff? 03:31.294 --> 03:32.879 Think about it- what are wrestlers? 03:32.921 --> 03:34.880 They're a bunch of pathological liars. 03:34.963 --> 03:37.717 What a big word for a suit and tie. 03:37.800 --> 03:41.595 The death of WCW is really death by 1,000 cuts. 03:41.678 --> 03:44.057 So, what really happened? 03:44.140 --> 03:46.892 Who's responsible for killing WCW? 03:46.934 --> 03:49.270 That's always gonna be the million-dollar question: 03:49.354 --> 03:51.772 Who killed WCW? 03:51.855 --> 03:53.231 Well, the easy answer is Vince Russo. 03:53.315 --> 03:55.235 It's just idiotic. 03:55.276 --> 03:56.319 Turner. 03:56.401 --> 03:59.155 The organization, or lack of. 03:59.239 --> 04:01.615 The talent killed WCW. 04:01.699 --> 04:04.910 Ha-ha-ha! This is preposterous to me. 04:04.953 --> 04:06.745 It would have to be the person with the chequebook. 04:06.788 --> 04:08.288 It'd have to be Eric Bischoff. 04:08.372 --> 04:09.249 Oof. [Sighing] 04:09.331 --> 04:11.458 Sometimes more than one thing can be true. 04:11.542 --> 04:13.086 There's too much blame to go around. 04:13.168 --> 04:14.586 You want to hear the real story, 04:14.670 --> 04:17.924 or you want to hear the bullshit story? 04:17.965 --> 04:19.509 [Indistinct, overlapping dialogue] 04:19.591 --> 04:21.177 You cannot sweep this under the rug! 04:21.261 --> 04:22.970 ...this is a fucking television show... 04:23.054 --> 04:24.138 ...I don't understand what he's doing... 04:24.222 --> 04:26.182 The real reason... 04:26.266 --> 04:28.434 [Flatlining extended beep] 04:28.518 --> 04:33.105 ♪ [Dramatic instrumental] ♪ 04:33.189 --> 04:36.108 [Dial up internet beeping & squawking] 04:36.150 --> 04:37.485 Back in the day, 04:37.567 --> 04:40.112 back prior to social media... 04:40.196 --> 04:42.656 there was still an internet culture for the 04:42.740 --> 04:44.658 wrestling fan scene to congregate, 04:44.742 --> 04:47.369 and it had a desperate need for an understanding 04:47.453 --> 04:50.206 of what happened to WCW... 04:50.290 --> 04:53.626 who have convinced a certain percentage of the audience 04:53.667 --> 04:56.963 that it ultimately comes back to me. 04:57.045 --> 05:00.132 ♪ 05:00.215 --> 05:03.720 [Birds chirping] 05:03.802 --> 05:05.679 If someone were to come to me and say, 05:05.763 --> 05:08.891 "Okay, here's a tape." 05:08.975 --> 05:10.727 "I want you to watch this whole tape, 05:10.809 --> 05:13.980 and it's gonna be the entire WCW journey, 05:14.062 --> 05:16.566 and you can decide if you want to do it all over again." 05:16.648 --> 05:18.483 What would I say? 05:18.567 --> 05:20.028 ♪ 05:20.110 --> 05:22.321 In a heartbeat... 05:22.405 --> 05:24.531 In a heartbeat. 05:24.615 --> 05:25.908 You know, it's really interesting and almost 05:25.992 --> 05:29.703 embarrassing- before I was hired by WCW, 05:29.787 --> 05:31.831 I didn't know what WCW was. 05:31.913 --> 05:33.665 World Championship Wrestling. 05:33.749 --> 05:35.251 I was an outsider to the business. 05:35.335 --> 05:36.711 I was... 05:36.793 --> 05:38.838 a sales guy. 05:38.920 --> 05:40.715 Right about that time, 05:40.797 --> 05:42.675 through a good friend of mine- Sonny Onoo- 05:42.716 --> 05:44.677 this little thing called Ninja Star Wars 05:44.761 --> 05:46.595 came into my life. 05:46.679 --> 05:48.764 You put these vests on, and you put one on, I put one on, 05:48.848 --> 05:49.848 we chase each other around the house, 05:49.932 --> 05:52.018 and if I hit you with three of my stars you're out, 05:52.100 --> 05:54.853 just like laser tag, only with these little stars. 05:54.896 --> 05:56.230 Oh! [Laughing] 05:56.314 --> 05:57.439 Then it was like... [Clappig] 05:57.523 --> 06:00.526 All right. How do we sell 'em? 06:00.567 --> 06:04.364 At the time, the AWA was on Monday through Friday, 06:04.405 --> 06:06.865 and the AWA was Verne's business. 06:06.949 --> 06:08.076 Verne Gagne, thanks for being out here. 06:08.158 --> 06:10.369 Well, my pleasure, and I'm glad I got out here because... 06:10.453 --> 06:12.245 [Eric] Verne Gagne- professional athlete, 06:12.329 --> 06:14.081 wrestler, promoter. 06:14.165 --> 06:15.374 Don't you dare miss it. 06:15.458 --> 06:16.333 Verne did it all. 06:16.417 --> 06:18.211 Verne Gagne's pro wrestling report. 06:18.293 --> 06:20.922 Here's how to order. Mail 14.95! 06:21.004 --> 06:24.759 I thought, I'm gonna call Verne Gagne. 06:24.841 --> 06:27.804 If Verne runs to commercial in his wrestling program 06:27.886 --> 06:31.057 that's seen nationwide, we'll split 50/50. 06:31.098 --> 06:34.227 I took one of the games, and went to meet Verne. 06:34.268 --> 06:36.062 I thought I was gonna get the deal, right, 06:36.103 --> 06:37.437 that I was looking for- which I did, 06:37.521 --> 06:39.398 but I was also offered a job. 06:39.482 --> 06:41.733 Welcome to AWA Championship Wrestling. 06:41.776 --> 06:43.819 So, my job was to travel around the Midwest, 06:43.903 --> 06:46.571 and talk independent television stations into 06:46.655 --> 06:48.949 carrying AWA shows. 06:49.033 --> 06:51.119 It's a sales job. Sales is sales. 06:51.201 --> 06:52.744 And I think we're gonna erase any doubts 06:52.787 --> 06:53.829 you've ever had. 06:53.913 --> 06:55.747 I had never met anybody like Eric. 06:55.790 --> 06:58.667 If he thought something was a really good idea, 06:58.751 --> 07:00.586 then he would start to take action, 07:00.627 --> 07:03.297 to breathe life into it. 07:03.381 --> 07:05.800 [Eric] I'd always been curious how television works. 07:05.882 --> 07:08.845 At night, I just sat in and learned. 07:08.927 --> 07:11.304 Then eventually I was on camera. 07:11.389 --> 07:12.807 My name is Eric Bischoff, and you- 07:12.889 --> 07:14.600 All this took place over the course of about a 07:14.684 --> 07:17.018 year and a half, two years, while I was in AWA. 07:17.103 --> 07:18.437 Buckle up real tight because you're going for 07:18.478 --> 07:20.605 a hard, bumpy ride, I promise. 07:20.689 --> 07:22.941 The last six or eight months of it I didn't get paid. 07:23.025 --> 07:24.276 He couldn't afford to pay me. 07:24.360 --> 07:25.862 My wife and I- and our kids- 07:25.944 --> 07:27.946 suffered financially. 07:27.989 --> 07:31.117 Now we have two little ones and, 07:31.158 --> 07:34.119 we are literally bouncing checks to buy diapers, 07:34.162 --> 07:37.331 and barely making rent. 07:37.415 --> 07:39.374 That's how bad it was. 07:39.458 --> 07:41.042 Heavyweight champion! 07:41.127 --> 07:45.631 He is the living legend, Larry Zbyszko! 07:45.672 --> 07:47.632 Larry Zbyskzo had worked with me in AWA, 07:47.716 --> 07:48.968 we had become friends. 07:49.009 --> 07:52.345 He left AWA, was working in WCW. 07:52.429 --> 07:54.473 Larry told me that, "Hey, they're looking for 07:54.514 --> 07:55.725 announcers down here." 07:55.807 --> 07:57.477 And, within days, I got a call. 07:57.559 --> 07:58.436 See you next time. 07:58.518 --> 08:00.896 I got to WCW, man, I was the happiest... 08:00.980 --> 08:02.982 third-string announcer that had ever put on 08:03.023 --> 08:04.482 a pair of shoes. 08:04.566 --> 08:06.360 ♪ 08:06.444 --> 08:08.528 I came into WCW so wide-eyed, 08:08.612 --> 08:11.324 because I was working for Turner Broadcasting. 08:11.364 --> 08:12.992 He was very nice. He was, 08:13.034 --> 08:15.495 just seemed like he was- not a fish out of water, 08:15.535 --> 08:17.497 but he was kind of uncomfortable, 08:17.579 --> 08:19.165 is the way it seemed to start with. 08:19.207 --> 08:20.708 He's got a suit on, and he's got, 08:20.790 --> 08:22.502 you know, perfect black hair. 08:22.543 --> 08:23.502 He looked like a Ken doll. 08:23.585 --> 08:25.003 I'm here with Diamond Dallas. 08:25.045 --> 08:27.173 The talent within WCW... 08:27.256 --> 08:28.131 unbelievable. 08:28.216 --> 08:30.885 There was Dusty Rhodes, and Gordon Solie, 08:30.968 --> 08:33.346 and Kevin Sullivan and, certainly, Ric Flair. 08:33.386 --> 08:34.137 Woo! 08:34.222 --> 08:36.265 And there was a new generation. 08:36.348 --> 08:39.434 Guys like Sting, Diamond Dallas Page. 08:39.519 --> 08:40.936 Scott Hall was the Diamond Stud. 08:41.020 --> 08:43.189 On 3- 1, 2, 3! 08:43.231 --> 08:44.147 Rip it off! 08:44.232 --> 08:46.400 Scott was working in WCW when I was hired. 08:46.483 --> 08:47.859 So was Kevin Nash. 08:47.944 --> 08:50.112 Good-looking guy, great physique. 08:50.195 --> 08:52.073 Fuck yeah. 08:52.155 --> 08:53.616 Poor Kevin Nash had so many different characters 08:53.699 --> 08:55.034 in the beginning. 08:55.075 --> 08:56.535 They didn't know what to do with him. 08:56.577 --> 08:59.121 Cowabunga! 08:59.204 --> 09:00.372 [Growling] 09:00.414 --> 09:03.083 I just shot Ninja Turtles. 09:03.166 --> 09:06.127 And then, I believe Dusty took acid. 09:06.212 --> 09:09.381 And he said, "Baby, you're gonna be Oz." 09:09.423 --> 09:13.386 I said, "You do realize that the movie is called 09:13.426 --> 09:15.054 'The Wizard of Oz'?" 09:15.136 --> 09:17.555 I am Oz! 09:17.640 --> 09:20.392 You can be the wizard, but you can't be Oz. 09:20.434 --> 09:23.061 Oz is the geographical region. 09:23.103 --> 09:24.771 "No, baby, you gonna be Oz." 09:24.854 --> 09:27.065 And I was just like, "All right." 09:27.149 --> 09:29.776 World Championship Wrestling is bringing it to you, baby. 09:29.859 --> 09:31.569 We're taking a look at Oz. 09:31.612 --> 09:34.949 I just show up in this lime green outfit, 09:35.031 --> 09:38.452 in an old man's rubber mask. 09:38.535 --> 09:40.954 And then they wrestle... 09:41.037 --> 09:42.915 a geographical region. 09:42.998 --> 09:45.083 Look at this move right here. 09:45.166 --> 09:48.588 They were trying to put a round peg in a square hole. 09:48.628 --> 09:50.256 They tried to do the gimmicks. 09:50.338 --> 09:51.924 It looks like something's going on down here. 09:51.966 --> 09:54.926 They would bring, you know, RoboCop. 09:55.011 --> 09:57.096 What strength by RoboCop! 09:57.179 --> 09:58.763 But they really didn't work. 09:58.805 --> 10:00.266 It didn't work. 10:00.348 --> 10:01.934 It was an absolute shit show. 10:02.017 --> 10:03.144 He's getting cooked! 10:03.227 --> 10:05.021 And I think he's well done, guys! 10:05.103 --> 10:07.772 The crowd here, going crazy! 10:07.814 --> 10:11.611 WCW had a loyal following. 10:11.694 --> 10:14.280 But, the Turner executives regarded the WCW audience 10:14.322 --> 10:16.031 as being downscale. 10:16.114 --> 10:18.367 It was downscale. 10:18.450 --> 10:20.828 Very sort of, um... 10:20.910 --> 10:22.829 Southern and Midwestern. 10:22.912 --> 10:24.790 I didn't care about it, I wasn't a fan of it. 10:24.832 --> 10:28.127 80% of the people who worked at Turner weren't really 10:28.169 --> 10:31.005 wrestling fans to start with, except for Ted. 10:31.088 --> 10:34.632 Ted Turner wears many hats for his many colorful careers. 10:34.717 --> 10:36.801 He is the owner of the baseball Atlanta Braves. 10:36.843 --> 10:38.304 [Cracking bat, cheering fans] 10:38.386 --> 10:40.138 Basketball Atlanta Hawks. 10:40.222 --> 10:42.558 He has pioneered television with his own cable network, 10:42.641 --> 10:44.894 which broadcasts 24 hours of news. 10:44.977 --> 10:46.811 Playboy Magazine called him a bonafide 10:46.853 --> 10:48.689 larger-than-life character. 10:48.772 --> 10:51.567 Captain Outrageous, that was one of his nicknames. 10:51.651 --> 10:53.986 He will say anything he wants to, 10:54.027 --> 10:55.529 any time he wants to. 10:55.612 --> 10:57.698 You said, "Network presidents should be..." 10:57.781 --> 10:59.699 -"...lined up and shot." -And shot. 10:59.784 --> 11:02.160 My kinda guy. [Chuckling] 11:02.243 --> 11:05.539 Ted enjoyed the fact that, "I know that you don't like 11:05.622 --> 11:08.918 my wrestling, and that's exactly why I like it." 11:09.001 --> 11:11.712 It started when Dad bought a little TV station 11:11.795 --> 11:15.382 here in Atlanta, and he built an international 11:15.466 --> 11:19.053 broadcasting empire in a few years. 11:19.136 --> 11:21.388 And wrestling was one of those things that helped 11:21.472 --> 11:25.726 build TBS and the entire network. 11:25.809 --> 11:28.521 I mean, you go back to the beginning of television, 11:28.561 --> 11:30.021 wrestling was there. 11:30.106 --> 11:32.274 It was a lifeblood of programming for 11:32.357 --> 11:33.733 local television stations. 11:33.818 --> 11:35.111 Oh! 11:35.194 --> 11:37.697 It could command a loyal audience 11:37.737 --> 11:39.280 into millions of viewers. 11:39.364 --> 11:42.367 So, Ted believed in the power, in the loyalty... 11:42.450 --> 11:43.535 and the size of the 11:43.577 --> 11:45.871 professional wrestling audience. 11:45.954 --> 11:48.457 Ted launched WCW as a result of 11:48.540 --> 11:50.376 purchasing Jim Crockett Promotions, 11:50.418 --> 11:52.044 which was a Southern wrestling company. 11:52.085 --> 11:54.045 Jesus Christ! [Shrieking] 11:54.130 --> 11:58.800 WCW was seen as sort of the long-suffering distant #2, 11:58.883 --> 12:00.553 trailing behind the WWF. 12:00.593 --> 12:04.890 The winner of the match... The Diamond Stud! 12:04.931 --> 12:07.559 Scott Hall, Kevin Nash... 12:07.642 --> 12:10.896 they left, they go to the WWF. 12:10.938 --> 12:12.606 Scott Hall becomes Razor Ramon, 12:12.689 --> 12:13.815 he becomes a big star. 12:13.899 --> 12:15.401 Kevin Nash becomes Diesel. 12:15.483 --> 12:17.069 Boom, big star. 12:17.152 --> 12:19.905 From a standpoint of the talent, 12:19.947 --> 12:22.574 we always considered WWE the show. 12:22.616 --> 12:24.160 There's no comparison. 12:24.242 --> 12:26.953 From a production value perspective... 12:27.036 --> 12:29.330 from a talent roster perspective, 12:29.415 --> 12:32.918 from a marketing perspective, from a financial perspective. 12:33.002 --> 12:35.963 WCW lost millions of dollars, every year. 12:36.045 --> 12:38.591 I had been warned by my boss, you know, 12:38.631 --> 12:40.633 "Don't help WCW." 12:40.718 --> 12:42.093 Why? If I help 'em make money? 12:42.178 --> 12:45.305 "No, you don't understand." Executive mangement 12:45.388 --> 12:46.973 hates wrestling and wants to get rid of it, 12:47.056 --> 12:49.101 and if you're perceived as trying to help them, 12:49.184 --> 12:50.935 that's career suicide for you." 12:50.978 --> 12:52.188 I was like, "Huh." 12:52.271 --> 12:54.689 [Eric] Other than Ted Turner, there was not an executive in 12:54.774 --> 12:57.651 Turner Broadcasting that wanted WCW to be 12:57.734 --> 12:59.612 in the Turner portfolio. 12:59.694 --> 13:02.823 Put yourself in the position of a television executive 13:02.906 --> 13:03.907 within that corporation. 13:03.991 --> 13:06.785 You have this division that is losing as much as 13:06.868 --> 13:10.289 $10 million on a yearly basis, and we don't really 13:10.372 --> 13:13.208 get the appeal of this entire genre to begin with. 13:13.291 --> 13:14.959 So, of course, that was going to create 13:15.002 --> 13:18.506 a lot of resentment and confusion as to, 13:18.588 --> 13:20.466 "Why do we even have this on the air waves?" 13:20.507 --> 13:22.300 Makes my blood boil too! 13:22.383 --> 13:24.011 That's what really set the conditions for this 13:24.093 --> 13:27.388 dysfunctional relationship between TBS and WCW. 13:27.473 --> 13:29.641 ♪ 13:29.724 --> 13:31.559 Bill Shaw was the Vice President of Human Resources 13:31.644 --> 13:33.228 for Turner Broadcasting. 13:33.311 --> 13:35.981 He was given responsibility to take over WCW 13:36.064 --> 13:38.067 as effective president of it. 13:38.150 --> 13:41.152 So, Bill came in. He said, "Ted Turner has made a 13:41.194 --> 13:45.031 decision that this company is going to either turn a profit, 13:45.114 --> 13:47.492 or Ted's gonna pull the plug." 13:47.535 --> 13:49.828 Ted had made up his mind that enough was enough, 13:49.911 --> 13:52.247 and he was gonna give WCW one last shot. 13:52.330 --> 13:56.252 And, we're going to hire an executive producer... 13:56.334 --> 13:59.003 who is going to take WCW 13:59.045 --> 14:02.882 from a wrestling company to a television property. 14:02.967 --> 14:06.554 Wrestling was seen by the wrestling people 14:06.636 --> 14:08.263 as an arena business. 14:08.347 --> 14:11.516 The only other person besides Ted that 14:11.599 --> 14:15.228 saw it as television was Eric. 14:15.311 --> 14:18.107 So, I threw my name in the hat. 14:18.189 --> 14:21.734 A month or so later, I'm the executive producer. 14:21.819 --> 14:23.444 This is your chance to be a part 14:23.529 --> 14:25.863 of professional wrestling history. 14:25.948 --> 14:27.867 What the hell am I gonna do? 14:33.664 --> 14:36.541 From Harlem! The Harlem Heat! 14:36.625 --> 14:38.209 Who comes down in the hands of the Heat. 14:38.294 --> 14:40.920 And don't forget that, sucker! 14:41.005 --> 14:42.171 [Laughing] 14:42.256 --> 14:45.383 The way my brother and I came into WCW was a good old boy 14:45.425 --> 14:48.554 system gimmick, you know, for two Black guys. 14:48.596 --> 14:50.890 This is a spectacular team! 14:50.930 --> 14:53.224 But, you could tell the difference going from the 14:53.309 --> 14:56.770 good old boys era to the Eric Bischoff era just by 14:56.853 --> 14:59.607 the way he tried to create something. 14:59.689 --> 15:01.817 [Eric] I was hired as the executive producer. 15:01.901 --> 15:05.905 My responsibility was solely the look and feel of the show. 15:05.945 --> 15:07.573 Saturday Night! 15:07.655 --> 15:09.949 The biggest challenge that we had was the fact that 15:10.034 --> 15:11.993 we couldn't attract an audience. 15:12.077 --> 15:13.828 It looked horrible because you had to turn the 15:13.911 --> 15:16.582 lights down to hide the fact that nobody was there. 15:16.623 --> 15:18.333 How do we fix that? 15:18.416 --> 15:20.960 That's when I decided I was gonna shoot the shows 15:21.045 --> 15:23.421 down at the Disney MGM Studios. 15:23.463 --> 15:24.464 They had sound stages, 15:24.548 --> 15:27.675 so I could control the look of the environment. 15:27.760 --> 15:30.471 And I had a fresh audience coming through five times 15:30.554 --> 15:32.765 a day, so I could shoot five or six shows with 15:32.848 --> 15:35.141 a fresh audience each and every time. 15:35.224 --> 15:37.185 Spin 'em up- lights, camera, action. 15:37.269 --> 15:38.771 [Cheering] 15:38.811 --> 15:40.606 I think Eric Bischoff really wanted to 15:40.689 --> 15:43.275 take WCW away from being 15:43.317 --> 15:45.319 a Southern [accented] 'wrastling' company. 15:45.401 --> 15:47.029 You could see the difference. 15:47.112 --> 15:48.948 You could feel it. 15:49.030 --> 15:52.617 In '94, I ascended from Executive Producer to 15:52.700 --> 15:55.120 Vice President and, at that time, 15:55.203 --> 15:57.622 nobody thought WCW would ever be 15:57.705 --> 16:00.958 competitive with WWF. 16:01.001 --> 16:05.463 I needed people to take WCW seriously. 16:05.506 --> 16:07.800 I needed Hulk Hogan. 16:07.841 --> 16:08.800 [Cheering] 16:08.842 --> 16:12.304 Hulk! Hogan! 16:12.346 --> 16:16.349 I don't think we'd be here if there was no Hulk Hogan. 16:16.433 --> 16:20.478 In the 1980s, Hulk Hogan is the patriotic, ultra-good guy. 16:20.521 --> 16:22.064 He's coming out waving an American flag, 16:22.146 --> 16:24.315 fighting off these evil foreigners. 16:24.357 --> 16:26.193 Hulkster tearing it to pieces! 16:26.276 --> 16:29.195 He was the one who broke professional wrestling 16:29.279 --> 16:30.988 wide open! 16:31.030 --> 16:33.492 Commercials, cartoons. 16:33.574 --> 16:34.910 Kids loved him. 16:34.992 --> 16:37.161 Everybody knew Hulk Hogan. 16:37.203 --> 16:38.872 Whether you're a professional wrestling fan 16:38.955 --> 16:41.083 or not, you knew the name. 16:41.165 --> 16:43.168 Eating your vitamins, saying your prayers. 16:43.251 --> 16:45.045 Say your prayers! Eat your vitamins! 16:45.129 --> 16:48.881 Ric Flair's the greatest wrestler of all time. 16:48.966 --> 16:51.718 But the guy that was on Sports Illustrated, 16:51.802 --> 16:53.512 he's the guy. 16:53.594 --> 16:56.556 He is truly a real American. 16:56.640 --> 16:59.183 Coincidentally, while we were shooting WCW at 16:59.267 --> 17:01.018 the Disney MGM Studios, 17:01.103 --> 17:03.897 Hulk Hogan was down at Disney shooting a 17:03.980 --> 17:06.233 new series called "Thunder In Paradise". 17:06.315 --> 17:08.610 Now, Hulk had been out of wrestling for some time 17:08.693 --> 17:11.112 because of the steroid trial. 17:11.196 --> 17:13.699 [Cartoon] ...a good role model 'cause he just, like, 17:13.740 --> 17:15.784 did whatever it took to get big, like, 17:15.868 --> 17:19.747 he took those steroid pills. 17:19.830 --> 17:22.708 And I thought, why not at least try to get a meeting? 17:22.791 --> 17:24.418 But he didn't know who I was. 17:24.500 --> 17:26.128 So, I went to Ric Flair. 17:26.210 --> 17:27.211 Hello? 17:27.254 --> 17:30.090 I said, "Ric, do you think you can set up a call or 17:30.173 --> 17:32.383 meeting between Hulk and I?" 17:32.468 --> 17:33.802 One night, I was sound asleep, 17:33.885 --> 17:35.429 and the phone rings and I'm picking up the phone, 17:35.512 --> 17:37.096 and it's- "Hey, Brother." 17:37.180 --> 17:40.726 Whoa! Wake up! It was Hulk. 17:40.808 --> 17:44.604 Welcome Hulk Hogan! 17:44.688 --> 17:47.064 [Eric] Being able to work with Hulk Hogan, 17:47.149 --> 17:49.401 being on the same roster as Hulk Hogan 17:49.442 --> 17:51.070 elevated everybody's career. 17:51.111 --> 17:52.403 And it had immediate impact. 17:52.487 --> 17:53.738 All of a sudden, people were 17:53.822 --> 17:56.115 returning phone calls much faster. 17:56.199 --> 17:57.241 It's all perception. 17:57.325 --> 17:59.620 That's why we're here today, for a match between 17:59.702 --> 18:01.913 two of wrestling's biggest superstars- 18:01.997 --> 18:04.583 Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. 18:04.666 --> 18:07.460 So, Hulk's original deal included four Pay Per View's 18:07.544 --> 18:09.962 a year, and he had creative control. 18:10.046 --> 18:11.840 Essentially means that he gets a thumbs up or 18:11.923 --> 18:14.927 thumbs down as to whether or not he wants to do it. 18:15.009 --> 18:17.595 1, 2... 18:17.638 --> 18:18.388 [Match bell ringing] 18:18.471 --> 18:20.599 WCW is about to dominate the globe 18:20.641 --> 18:21.641 in professional wrestling. 18:21.725 --> 18:24.478 Talent began to get a little confident that this 18:24.561 --> 18:27.439 Turner guy over here is starting to get serious. 18:27.523 --> 18:29.315 Dad always loves competition. 18:29.399 --> 18:32.276 So, you get a Vince McMahon who says, 18:32.361 --> 18:34.112 "Oh, this is my territory." 18:34.196 --> 18:36.824 Yeah, there's gonna be problems. 18:36.907 --> 18:40.201 [Eric] Keep in mind, at that point, I had never had a 18:40.285 --> 18:42.996 one-on-one meeting with Ted Turner. 18:43.080 --> 18:45.958 And, I walked into the meeting- my boss, 18:45.998 --> 18:47.959 Harvey Schiller, he was already sitting there. 18:48.043 --> 18:50.879 Scott Sassa, the heir apparent to Ted Turner 18:50.962 --> 18:54.131 at the time, he was in the room. 18:54.173 --> 18:58.387 So, I sat down and, immediately: "Eric... 18:58.469 --> 19:00.304 Let me ask you a question." 19:00.346 --> 19:02.141 I can't do a good Ted Turner impersonation. 19:02.181 --> 19:04.642 "Ah, Eric... 19:04.726 --> 19:06.519 what's it gonna take for 19:06.603 --> 19:09.814 WCW to be competitive with WWE?" 19:09.856 --> 19:10.983 [Ticking clock] 19:11.024 --> 19:12.817 In what seemed like 20 minutes- 19:12.901 --> 19:14.486 it was maybe milliseconds, 19:14.527 --> 19:16.654 but it was like watching your life pass before you 19:16.697 --> 19:18.574 right before the train hits you. 19:18.657 --> 19:19.824 I don't know what the answer is. 19:19.908 --> 19:22.035 [Eric] What are my options? I can't bullshit Ted Turner. 19:22.119 --> 19:23.704 He'll see through that so fast. 19:23.786 --> 19:25.663 Tell the truth. Truth usually works. 19:25.706 --> 19:27.541 So, I'm just going to tell him the truth. 19:27.623 --> 19:31.545 So, I said, "Ted, they're on prime time. 19:31.628 --> 19:34.590 Monday night, coast to coast. 19:34.672 --> 19:38.343 We're 6:05 Eastern, 3:05 Pacific 19:38.427 --> 19:40.929 on a Saturday. 19:41.013 --> 19:43.556 We can't be competitive with that." 19:43.640 --> 19:44.932 Ted looks over to Scott Sassa, and says, 19:45.016 --> 19:47.436 "Ah... Scott! 19:47.518 --> 19:49.854 Give Eric two hours every Monday night, 19:49.938 --> 19:52.106 head-to-head. WWE." 19:52.189 --> 19:55.026 I thought, how am I gonna do this? 19:55.067 --> 19:56.903 And I walked out of Ted's officed... 19:56.987 --> 19:58.738 locked myself in my room, 19:58.822 --> 20:00.865 sat there with a yellow legal pad 20:00.949 --> 20:03.368 and said, "Start thinking of ways." 20:03.451 --> 20:05.077 [Laughing] 20:05.161 --> 20:07.288 So, at this time, you know, Monday Night Raw 20:07.372 --> 20:09.583 was the primary show for the WWF. 20:09.666 --> 20:11.709 And the WWF was, at that time, 20:11.793 --> 20:13.629 the first company to have that prime time show 20:13.711 --> 20:14.880 on Mondays. 20:14.962 --> 20:18.132 Welcome to Monday Night Raw! 20:18.217 --> 20:20.802 When Ted said, you know, 20:20.885 --> 20:23.804 "I want to move WCW to TNT," 20:23.889 --> 20:26.225 it was like, "What? Are you kidding me?" 20:26.307 --> 20:29.061 I'd been killing myself to build this brand that 20:29.102 --> 20:32.480 we were known as the premium network on basic cable. 20:32.564 --> 20:35.316 When I tried to fight Ted on it, I lost that battle. 20:35.400 --> 20:37.945 How can I be better than the WWF? 20:38.027 --> 20:41.406 [Snorts] I can't. 20:41.448 --> 20:43.491 Their production value was much better. 20:43.574 --> 20:47.161 The story telling, it was cleaner, easy to follow... 20:47.246 --> 20:51.083 and built everything to feel larger than life. 20:51.123 --> 20:54.753 WCW always looked like it was trying to 20:54.795 --> 20:57.296 catch up to the wheel that just fell off. 20:57.381 --> 21:00.342 But if I can give people a reason to watch me 21:00.424 --> 21:02.593 instead of them, 21:02.635 --> 21:04.304 I got a shot. 21:04.388 --> 21:06.974 Their one vulnerability was that they were taped 21:07.056 --> 21:08.307 every other week. 21:08.391 --> 21:10.017 We should be live. 21:10.102 --> 21:11.268 I went to Brad Siegel, and said, 21:11.311 --> 21:12.853 "I want to do this live every week." 21:12.938 --> 21:15.314 We were so competitive with USA Network. 21:15.399 --> 21:18.360 If we go up against them, we're gonna hurt their 21:18.442 --> 21:21.697 highest rated show, Raw, on Monday night. 21:21.779 --> 21:24.324 It would be the way that we could win as the 21:24.408 --> 21:26.200 #1 basic cable network. 21:26.285 --> 21:29.161 He said, "We've got a block of action programming 21:29.246 --> 21:30.622 called 'Nitro'. 21:30.706 --> 21:33.124 Why don't we thematically keep it the same? 21:33.208 --> 21:36.128 We'll call the show Nitro." "Hell yeah!" 21:36.210 --> 21:38.130 WCW Monday Nitro. 21:38.170 --> 21:40.131 But we could not give tickets away. 21:40.172 --> 21:41.842 Keep in mind, this is the first Nitro. 21:41.924 --> 21:43.468 Nobody's ever heard of it before. 21:43.509 --> 21:45.679 Well, if I can't put it in an arena where 21:45.762 --> 21:48.015 it's going to look cool... 21:48.097 --> 21:50.141 what about Mall of America? 21:50.182 --> 21:52.978 Mall Of America at the time was like a big damn deal. 21:53.019 --> 21:55.479 The bargains are coming! The bargains are coming! 21:55.522 --> 21:57.983 Back then, Mall Of America was kind of a destination. 21:58.025 --> 22:00.736 Still, they're the largest mall in the United States. 22:00.818 --> 22:03.572 Just about big enough to hold WCW and 22:03.654 --> 22:06.574 its debut broadcast of Monday Nitro. 22:06.658 --> 22:09.160 My hope was that I'd get enough people that were 22:09.201 --> 22:11.662 walking by in the mall that would stop long enough and 22:11.747 --> 22:15.249 watch that I could get kind of a couple beauty shots. 22:15.333 --> 22:17.044 And it worked great. 22:17.126 --> 22:20.339 It looked like a really cool fight club for yuppies. 22:20.421 --> 22:21.840 [Laughing] 22:21.881 --> 22:23.424 [Cheering] 22:23.507 --> 22:25.552 If you want surprises, this is where you come, 22:25.634 --> 22:27.344 because our show is live, 22:27.387 --> 22:29.680 and you never know who's gonna show up. 22:29.765 --> 22:30.891 [Chanting] Luger! 22:30.974 --> 22:33.685 Lex Luger, everybody thought that Lex was under contract. 22:33.727 --> 22:36.103 He had just been on WWE the night before. 22:36.188 --> 22:39.358 WWE had no idea. 22:39.440 --> 22:40.859 And it set the tone for Nitro. 22:40.901 --> 22:44.196 When I came there, Eric was testing the waters. 22:44.237 --> 22:45.781 I am Madusa. 22:45.863 --> 22:47.449 I was WWF's champion. 22:47.532 --> 22:49.700 I'm like, I got an idea. 22:49.743 --> 22:52.079 And that's what I think of the WWF 22:52.161 --> 22:53.872 Women's Championship belt. 22:53.955 --> 22:55.873 That shock value is what we really needed 22:55.916 --> 22:57.292 to get the attention. 22:57.374 --> 22:59.419 That's the magic of live. 22:59.503 --> 23:01.880 That's what will make us competitive. 23:01.962 --> 23:04.131 ♪ 23:04.216 --> 23:06.884 [Hulk Hogan] I'm focused on that big, nasty giant. 23:06.927 --> 23:09.388 But the main thing, like you said... [Fading] 23:09.429 --> 23:11.055 is to get in that ring, brother... 23:11.139 --> 23:13.766 [Fading out] 23:13.850 --> 23:15.893 [Kevin Sullivan] In this country... 23:15.977 --> 23:18.814 we love to build people up. 23:18.897 --> 23:21.733 We love to tear them down. 23:21.816 --> 23:25.152 And then, we love them to rise from the ashes again. 23:25.237 --> 23:27.488 [Eric] We weren't seeing the gains in terms of ratings 23:27.572 --> 23:29.449 that we had anticipated. 23:29.533 --> 23:31.493 We had kind of leveled out. 23:31.575 --> 23:33.077 Hulk could sense, I think, 23:33.120 --> 23:35.122 that the Hulk Hogan character... 23:35.205 --> 23:36.914 it was losing steam. 23:36.997 --> 23:38.249 They are taking him apart. 23:38.291 --> 23:39.250 [Eric] The audience still reacted to it, 23:39.333 --> 23:42.254 but not the same way. 23:42.295 --> 23:44.005 I started to hear "boo's". 23:44.089 --> 23:46.591 Hulk Hogan making his way to the ring. 23:46.674 --> 23:47.633 [Booing] 23:47.717 --> 23:49.593 The 80s were done. 23:49.635 --> 23:52.764 I needed to change the perception of Hulk Hogan... 23:52.847 --> 23:54.266 and forever. 23:54.306 --> 23:56.101 [Surprised shouting] What is he doing? 23:56.183 --> 23:59.103 Hulk Hogan has betrayed WCW! 24:02.731 --> 24:04.359 [Commentary] Randy, what's going on here? 24:04.441 --> 24:07.821 May 27th of 1996... 24:07.903 --> 24:10.865 Scott Hall debuted on WCW television. 24:10.949 --> 24:13.118 You people... 24:13.160 --> 24:14.619 you know who I am. 24:14.660 --> 24:16.955 [Eric] Scott Hall worked and performed for WWF 24:17.037 --> 24:18.622 as Razor Ramon. 24:18.664 --> 24:22.669 But you don't know why I'm here. 24:22.751 --> 24:24.629 [Eric] Then Kevin Nash shows up. 24:24.670 --> 24:28.299 Everybody knew they were WWF guys. 24:28.382 --> 24:31.303 Oh, my god! No, no! Turn it over now! 24:31.343 --> 24:34.221 Razor Ramon and Diesel are on Nitro! 24:34.305 --> 24:36.475 Are they the WWF? 24:36.516 --> 24:40.312 You want a war? We are taking over. 24:40.353 --> 24:42.814 They were bad guys that were like invading the company. 24:42.855 --> 24:44.315 [Booker T] This is different. 24:44.356 --> 24:46.651 This is something that we have never seen 24:46.692 --> 24:47.861 in professional wrestling. 24:47.943 --> 24:50.237 [Eric] By not dissuading people, 24:50.322 --> 24:52.990 that's what created the perception that 24:53.033 --> 24:54.993 perhaps this was an invasion. 24:55.075 --> 24:57.036 But of course it wasn't. 24:57.120 --> 25:00.039 They didn't want to renew their contract with WWE. 25:00.122 --> 25:03.083 I'm thinking, ah, I need a reality storyline. 25:03.168 --> 25:05.670 Admittedly now, you know, enough time has gone by- 25:05.754 --> 25:09.548 [Laughing] I, admittedly, allowed them to think that 25:09.632 --> 25:12.427 they were showing up on behalf of WWE. 25:12.509 --> 25:15.764 Do you work for the WWF? 25:15.846 --> 25:17.181 No. 25:17.265 --> 25:19.516 And then they alluded to a third man. 25:19.601 --> 25:23.354 You tell billionaire Ted to break out the money and 25:23.438 --> 25:27.691 get anybody he can because the big "mang", 25:27.776 --> 25:31.237 and the medium-sized "mang", and our surprise buddy 25:31.321 --> 25:35.741 are gonna carve them up. 25:35.824 --> 25:38.870 [Eric] Big surprise coming in. Who's the third man? 25:38.954 --> 25:41.538 All while that's going on on television, 25:41.581 --> 25:43.374 Hulk Hogan's in California doing a movie called 25:43.416 --> 25:44.417 "Santa With Muscles". 25:44.500 --> 25:45.876 Keep the milk and cookies warm. 25:45.960 --> 25:47.420 -Classic. -[Phone ringing] 25:47.504 --> 25:49.714 I get a phone call from Hulk: "Brother..." 25:49.797 --> 25:50.881 "Any way I could get you to come out? 25:50.966 --> 25:52.551 I want to talk to you about creative." 25:52.592 --> 25:54.553 Got to his trailer, he's waiting for me. 25:54.635 --> 25:58.055 He says, "Brother, who's the third man?" 25:58.097 --> 25:59.932 What have we got here, The Sting! 26:00.016 --> 26:02.227 I already spent two weeks convincing Sting to 26:02.268 --> 26:04.228 turn heel and be the third man. 26:04.270 --> 26:06.230 I didn't want to tell Hulk, 26:06.273 --> 26:08.400 but I didn't want to lie to him either. 26:08.483 --> 26:10.818 "Who do you think it should be?" 26:10.901 --> 26:14.322 "You're looking at him, brother." Oh, wow! 26:14.406 --> 26:17.241 World Championship Wrestling presents the 26:17.284 --> 26:19.244 Bash at the Beach! 26:19.285 --> 26:21.246 I didn't want him to come to the building 26:21.287 --> 26:22.997 until the very last minute. 26:23.081 --> 26:25.249 I talked to Kevin Sullivan about the best way to 26:25.333 --> 26:26.918 try to achieve that. 26:27.001 --> 26:32.006 Kevin Sullivan sequestered Hulk in Daytona Beach. 26:32.090 --> 26:33.924 He had to babysit him for like a whole night 26:33.967 --> 26:36.260 'cause he was afraid that Hogan might not show up 26:36.343 --> 26:38.763 as a mystery third man. 26:38.846 --> 26:40.431 There were a lot of risks to Hulk turning heel. 26:40.472 --> 26:42.266 You have to put yourself in his shoes. 26:42.308 --> 26:45.103 [Kevin Sullivan] Hulk is a very loyal guy, 26:45.186 --> 26:48.273 and he was carrying a lot of people. 26:48.355 --> 26:50.775 If he lost his endorsements, 26:50.859 --> 26:54.653 if he lost movies... 26:54.737 --> 26:58.283 Maybe their pocketbook would be hurt. 26:58.365 --> 26:59.659 [Eric] I knew that there was a chance with the 26:59.743 --> 27:01.201 people around Hulk, 27:01.285 --> 27:03.455 he could possibly second guess himself. 27:03.496 --> 27:05.372 We don't know yet who the third man is. 27:05.457 --> 27:08.043 [Kevin Sullivan] We didn't leave my house 27:08.125 --> 27:11.462 'til the first match started. 27:11.504 --> 27:15.717 I didn't want anybody to get to him. 27:15.799 --> 27:17.634 Hulk shows up at the building. 27:17.718 --> 27:20.304 I still don't know at this point where his head is at 27:20.346 --> 27:21.640 'cause we hadn't talked all day. 27:21.722 --> 27:22.974 Lex Luger! 27:23.057 --> 27:24.851 The Macho Man Randy Savage! 27:24.933 --> 27:29.814 And Sting will represent WCW to beat these outsiders. 27:29.855 --> 27:31.399 Oh! 27:31.483 --> 27:32.984 When Hogan came down the ramp, 27:33.067 --> 27:35.070 I still wasn't 100% sure. 27:35.152 --> 27:38.323 Hulk Hogan is here! Hulk Hogan's here! 27:38.406 --> 27:42.201 Hulk comes down, we clear out. 27:42.285 --> 27:44.704 He hits the rope, drops the leg. 27:44.787 --> 27:46.706 Oh, oh, oh! What is he doing? 27:46.789 --> 27:48.541 Oh, my god! Is he the third man? 27:48.624 --> 27:49.708 He's the third man! 27:49.793 --> 27:53.420 The production truck erupted with elation for what just 27:53.505 --> 27:55.840 went down and how the crowd reacted to it. 27:55.881 --> 27:58.843 It was a roar like we hadn't heard before. 27:58.884 --> 28:01.012 [Roaring cheering] 28:01.054 --> 28:03.390 And it got louder and angrier, 28:03.472 --> 28:05.225 and it was building. 28:05.307 --> 28:08.061 They were pissed! Really pissed. 28:08.143 --> 28:10.354 What do we got here? We got a fan coming in. 28:10.397 --> 28:12.231 He's a hero, and now the hero's standing in the 28:12.314 --> 28:14.234 middle of the ring that was filling up with garbage, 28:14.316 --> 28:16.695 telling every one of those fans he was only in it 28:16.777 --> 28:18.362 for the money. 28:18.446 --> 28:20.907 [The Rock] It would be like Babe Ruth telling all the fans 28:20.989 --> 28:22.950 who had followed him for years, and years, and years 28:23.034 --> 28:24.869 to stick their support right up their ass. 28:24.910 --> 28:25.870 [Laughing] 28:25.954 --> 28:28.707 All this crap in the ring 28:28.789 --> 28:31.708 represents these fans out here! 28:31.750 --> 28:35.045 It was the biggest turn in the history of wrestling. 28:35.130 --> 28:37.966 Saved his career. 28:38.048 --> 28:40.134 And then it becomes the three guys, with Hulk. 28:40.218 --> 28:42.262 Now it's like, who are they? 28:42.344 --> 28:44.264 You can call this... 28:44.346 --> 28:48.267 The New World Order of wrestling, brother! 28:48.351 --> 28:51.603 I didn't know what the NWO was about to become. 28:51.688 --> 28:54.064 NWO, take one. [Claps] 28:54.106 --> 28:57.736 NWO's the thing that really broke everything. 28:57.818 --> 28:59.903 What was happening in pop culture, 28:59.946 --> 29:02.907 they were representing it with their spin on it. 29:02.949 --> 29:04.909 It was like street. 29:04.950 --> 29:07.245 We can't have them have any association 29:07.286 --> 29:08.496 with WCW whatsoever. 29:08.580 --> 29:10.081 This is our show! 29:10.164 --> 29:12.749 We're doing it our way! 29:12.792 --> 29:15.128 Those small elements- 29:15.210 --> 29:17.421 the way we shot the NWO interviews- 29:17.464 --> 29:18.422 we shot in black and white. 29:18.465 --> 29:19.256 "Black and white?" 29:19.340 --> 29:20.174 "Why are you doing black and white?" 29:20.257 --> 29:21.926 Trust me, black and white'll be cool. 29:22.009 --> 29:23.469 Not only was it pretty fucking cool, 29:23.553 --> 29:25.095 but also, disruptive. 29:25.179 --> 29:27.931 And, those guys were the right talent to pull it off. 29:27.974 --> 29:30.351 They did whatever the fuck they wanted to do. 29:30.435 --> 29:31.936 [Indistinct shouting] 29:32.019 --> 29:33.145 Didn't care whether you cheered them 29:33.228 --> 29:34.439 or you booed them. 29:34.522 --> 29:37.150 -Oh, my god! -Zero fucks to give. 29:37.233 --> 29:39.276 NWO! 29:39.318 --> 29:41.112 For life! 29:41.196 --> 29:43.531 Those guys really set the world on fire. 29:43.614 --> 29:44.615 Woo! 29:44.699 --> 29:47.368 My son came home from school and asked me if I could 29:47.451 --> 29:50.205 bring him four or five NWO shirts so he could take them 29:50.287 --> 29:52.791 to school the next day, and I said, "Why?" He said, 29:52.832 --> 29:56.335 "All my friends want them." Well, absolutely! 29:56.419 --> 29:58.129 That's what we began to see emerging 29:58.170 --> 30:01.466 with Eric's version of what the NWO was. 30:01.507 --> 30:03.301 They were bad, but they were cool. 30:03.343 --> 30:06.137 To this day, there's still NWO shirts. 30:06.179 --> 30:08.847 I don't see any other shirts from WCW. 30:08.931 --> 30:11.141 The fans were so... 30:11.183 --> 30:14.062 intoxicated with NWO. 30:14.144 --> 30:15.729 It made everything bigger. 30:15.814 --> 30:18.149 And, when something gets too big, too fast, 30:18.233 --> 30:20.651 shit's gonna hit the fan at some point. 30:20.735 --> 30:21.611 And then it did. 30:21.693 --> 30:23.487 Oh, they're in the control room now! 30:23.529 --> 30:24.906 Hold on, what do we got here? 30:24.988 --> 30:26.032 -What does that do? -Don't touch that. 30:26.114 --> 30:28.368 Whoa! Fade to black! 30:28.450 --> 30:29.910 Shouldn't have bought that cheap TV! 30:29.994 --> 30:30.954 [Laughing] 30:32.872 --> 30:35.166 You go back, and you look at Nitro ratings from the 30:35.249 --> 30:37.334 premiere episode all the way up until 30:37.418 --> 30:39.754 the NWO was revealed. 30:39.836 --> 30:41.672 We were doing fine. 30:41.714 --> 30:42.881 We'd win a week or two. 30:42.966 --> 30:44.551 WWE would win a week or two. 30:44.633 --> 30:47.010 We were essentially even. 30:47.094 --> 30:49.054 Until the NWO. 30:49.138 --> 30:53.852 Legitimately, the NWO was responsible for 30:53.935 --> 30:56.688 80% of our growth. 30:56.770 --> 30:57.689 And I thought, okay, 30:57.772 --> 31:00.275 I've gotta find a way to maintain the reality. 31:00.358 --> 31:02.192 New World Order, punk. 31:02.276 --> 31:04.027 Something that the audience can't tell 31:04.112 --> 31:06.447 whether it's real, or whether it's not. 31:06.531 --> 31:08.949 Worst thing you can do on earth in 31:09.033 --> 31:12.411 professional wrestling is have a backstage fight. 31:12.495 --> 31:13.746 Hey! 31:13.830 --> 31:17.417 Everybody that throws a punch backstage... 31:17.499 --> 31:21.880 goes, "Ugh! Ooh! Uh!" 31:21.962 --> 31:23.922 It's so bad. 31:24.006 --> 31:27.593 We wanted to make the back look completely real. 31:27.677 --> 31:30.429 Not a wrestling program. 31:30.513 --> 31:31.722 Oh, no! 31:31.805 --> 31:33.975 Neal Pruitt came up with the idea of the 31:34.057 --> 31:36.268 production people helping. 31:36.352 --> 31:39.730 Up until that time, I never had gone to a producer 31:39.814 --> 31:41.481 and said, "What kind of shot?" 31:41.565 --> 31:43.735 But I went to him. 31:43.776 --> 31:46.946 Konnan up on the middle turnbuckle, climbs the top. 31:47.029 --> 31:48.238 Nicely done. 31:48.323 --> 31:49.949 There was that one night we were in Orlando 31:50.033 --> 31:51.450 at the Disney tapings. 31:51.534 --> 31:54.579 [Cheering] 31:54.621 --> 31:56.122 We wanted to make it look like NWO 31:56.205 --> 31:58.416 just came and wreaked havoc. 31:58.458 --> 32:00.834 And, took over. 32:00.919 --> 32:02.586 We need somebody in the back! Please! 32:02.670 --> 32:03.962 What is he talking about, need somebody? 32:04.046 --> 32:04.964 He's trying to get a cameraman- 32:05.047 --> 32:07.592 We were inspired a bit by Hill Street Blues, 32:07.674 --> 32:10.428 as far as the way you moved throughout a scene 32:10.510 --> 32:11.804 with one camera. 32:11.888 --> 32:13.264 We were all about making it work. 32:13.305 --> 32:16.935 Making what looked like reality happen. 32:17.017 --> 32:18.227 Craig can hear us. 32:18.311 --> 32:20.438 Craig, are you gonna send a cameraman back there or not? 32:20.479 --> 32:22.774 They're coming around the corner. 32:22.856 --> 32:24.776 Wait a minute, we go to the back! 32:24.816 --> 32:26.486 And we had baseball bats. 32:26.568 --> 32:28.528 They got baseball bats! 32:28.612 --> 32:31.824 All the carnage has already taken place. 32:31.908 --> 32:34.451 It's the old Hitchcock. 32:34.535 --> 32:37.455 See the knife and then you see the blood. 32:37.537 --> 32:40.624 You let the mind create the violence. 32:40.708 --> 32:42.209 [Indistinct shouting] 32:42.293 --> 32:43.670 [Eric] They're picking up props. 32:43.753 --> 32:46.296 They were nailing it. 32:46.339 --> 32:48.131 They all worked their asses off to make it look 32:48.173 --> 32:49.717 as believable as it could. 32:49.801 --> 32:52.469 And I don't know if it was planned in advance- 32:52.553 --> 32:53.970 only Kevin Nash or Rey Mysterio 32:54.013 --> 32:54.930 could tell you that. 32:55.014 --> 32:57.891 Nash picked up Rey Mysterio and threw him 32:57.976 --> 32:59.643 against the trailer like a lawn dart. 32:59.686 --> 33:00.978 Whap! 33:01.019 --> 33:03.230 We're gonna have Kevin Nash standing there. 33:03.314 --> 33:06.651 And, they're gonna have Rey Mysterio Jr. jump on him. 33:06.734 --> 33:08.902 And there's Rey Mysterio- Hey! He dove! 33:08.987 --> 33:10.822 Rey says, "Do you think you can throw me 33:10.862 --> 33:14.409 through that window?" "No, dude. 33:14.491 --> 33:17.996 It's a window." [Laughs] "You'll die." 33:18.036 --> 33:20.247 I said, "Let me just throw you off the trailer." 33:20.331 --> 33:23.167 -Ugh! -Oh! Headfirst! 33:23.208 --> 33:25.920 So, we were doing things that nobody had ever seen. 33:26.004 --> 33:28.339 [Eric] It looked like a giant crime scene. 33:28.422 --> 33:29.716 [Shouting] 33:29.798 --> 33:31.217 Creates emotion in the audience. 33:31.299 --> 33:33.009 Please, somebody help him! 33:33.052 --> 33:33.885 And they forget that 33:33.969 --> 33:36.389 they're watching professional wrestling. 33:36.471 --> 33:38.516 We're gonna try to get this all back together. 33:38.557 --> 33:40.685 And, ah, we'll be back. 33:40.727 --> 33:43.770 WCW really started to leave their competition in the dust, 33:43.854 --> 33:47.858 and that was the vaunted 83-week winning streak. 33:47.900 --> 33:51.362 We were pro wrestling. 33:51.403 --> 33:54.240 And they were playing catchup for the first time. 33:54.322 --> 33:55.407 I remember when that happened. 33:55.490 --> 33:56.950 I remember thinking, 33:57.034 --> 33:59.037 "We should do more shit like that." 33:59.119 --> 34:03.206 That freedom, we did not have. 34:03.291 --> 34:05.584 [Diamond Dallas Page] And to see the company, 34:05.668 --> 34:08.378 not only compete with the WWE, 34:08.463 --> 34:10.965 but knock 'em on their ass for 83 weeks, 34:11.048 --> 34:13.717 like, straight weeks... 34:13.800 --> 34:14.802 Wow! 34:14.885 --> 34:17.805 It is the #1 professional wrestling program 34:17.889 --> 34:19.389 around the world! 34:19.474 --> 34:22.226 Once those ratings started, there was no stopping him. 34:22.309 --> 34:25.563 I think the war with WWF was personal with Eric. 34:25.604 --> 34:27.398 He was always tracing ratings. 34:27.439 --> 34:30.818 Eric cared more about ratings than advertising dollars. 34:30.901 --> 34:33.112 This is a television company. 34:33.195 --> 34:36.782 And we're going to run WCW like a television company. 34:36.865 --> 34:40.285 It was this maniacal desire 34:40.369 --> 34:43.914 to be #1 and to beat WWF. 34:43.997 --> 34:47.251 There was a competitive pressure that I put on myself. 34:47.293 --> 34:49.461 So, Vince McMahon, this is for you. 34:49.545 --> 34:52.756 And I said something like, "I'm not gonna stop 34:52.798 --> 34:55.760 'til I drive a stake through the heart of 34:55.842 --> 34:58.595 Vincent K. McMahon!" 34:58.637 --> 35:00.597 I may have gone a little over the top. 35:06.186 --> 35:08.981 [Buzzing] "Er". Back up. 1996. 35:09.064 --> 35:11.108 I keep hearing how Vince McMahon 35:11.191 --> 35:13.945 plans his stuff out a year in advance. 35:14.028 --> 35:15.947 He knows what he's gonna have in next year's 35:16.030 --> 35:19.117 WrestleMania ten months before it happens. 35:19.157 --> 35:20.659 Why can't we do that? 35:20.742 --> 35:23.204 And I saw Sting as the opportunity to do that. 35:23.287 --> 35:27.291 And the Stinger making his way to the ring! 35:27.374 --> 35:29.293 One night, Scott Hall started explaining 35:29.376 --> 35:31.546 this idea that he had for a new version of 35:31.628 --> 35:33.380 the Sting character, based on the 35:33.463 --> 35:36.175 Brandon Lee character in the movie The Crow. 35:36.258 --> 35:38.468 And he goes, "You're the scary Sting." 35:38.510 --> 35:40.137 And I looked over at Sting, 35:40.179 --> 35:41.889 and his eyes were like this big. 35:41.972 --> 35:44.642 The Sting Crow character was born. 35:44.724 --> 35:46.309 -That's Sting. -It is, but... 35:46.394 --> 35:47.854 Once he went up in the rafters, 35:47.936 --> 35:49.563 that built the anticipation that was needed to 35:49.646 --> 35:51.898 really put that character over. 35:51.983 --> 35:54.150 That started what became an 18-month story. 35:54.193 --> 35:55.987 Oh, my! Sting! 35:56.070 --> 35:57.405 And he started showing up and 35:57.488 --> 35:59.990 scaring the hell out of everybody in the NWO. 36:00.074 --> 36:01.409 He's got everybody! 36:01.492 --> 36:03.827 Sting would finally confront Hogan. 36:03.910 --> 36:06.246 They'd have the match for control of WCW. 36:06.329 --> 36:08.374 -He's pointing at me! -Don't worry about it! 36:08.456 --> 36:10.501 It was something, really, that had not been done to 36:10.543 --> 36:12.253 this degree before in the history of wrestling, 36:12.336 --> 36:14.505 which was making the decision that... 36:14.546 --> 36:17.008 we're actually not gonna pay this off next week or 36:17.090 --> 36:19.092 next month, but we're gonna keep this going until the 36:19.177 --> 36:21.595 end of the year in our Starrcade Pay Per View. 36:21.679 --> 36:23.222 Welcome to Starrcade! 36:23.305 --> 36:25.682 1997! 36:25.724 --> 36:29.228 An event 18 months in the making! 36:29.311 --> 36:31.771 Sting is gonna lead Hogan clean. 36:31.856 --> 36:33.900 WCW's gonna come out on top. 36:33.983 --> 36:36.235 Then it's gonna be up to NWO to kind of 36:36.318 --> 36:37.528 rebuild from the ground up. 36:37.612 --> 36:38.945 That was the plan. 36:39.030 --> 36:41.865 Sting has returned to the wrestling ring... 36:41.949 --> 36:47.204 to reclaim WCW's title from the NWO. 36:47.246 --> 36:49.916 The original finish, it got convoluted and 36:49.999 --> 36:52.043 compromised throughout the day. 36:52.126 --> 36:55.588 There was supposed to be the big boot by Hogan, 36:55.671 --> 36:58.758 the leg drop on Sting, the cover. 36:58.840 --> 37:01.968 But, the referee's supposed to do a fast count. 37:02.052 --> 37:04.889 It wasn't a fast count, but Bret Hart came in, 37:04.930 --> 37:07.557 restarted the match with himself as the referee. 37:07.642 --> 37:09.809 That was three. Hey, what are you doing? Ah! 37:09.894 --> 37:13.271 Well, even the idea, the referee and the fast count 37:13.356 --> 37:14.189 and the whole thing, I remember when they 37:14.273 --> 37:16.775 gave it to me, it was like, "Really?" 37:16.858 --> 37:18.778 Like, that is the lamest ending. 37:18.860 --> 37:20.488 Bret Hart is here tonight as the referee. 37:20.570 --> 37:23.157 Is that right? Is that correct? 37:23.240 --> 37:27.077 It's an awful, stupid, and very... 37:27.119 --> 37:29.121 convoluted ending for the match, 37:29.204 --> 37:30.997 but I remember Eric Bischoff insisting 37:31.081 --> 37:33.834 how it was gonna be fantastic. 37:33.918 --> 37:34.834 Hart's right in Hogan's face! 37:34.918 --> 37:36.796 [Bell ringing] 37:36.878 --> 37:39.423 And the crowd reacted the way you wanted them 37:39.506 --> 37:40.925 to react, initially. 37:40.967 --> 37:43.510 "Yay! Sting finally won." 37:43.593 --> 37:46.764 Heavyweight Champion of the World! 37:46.805 --> 37:49.599 Sting! 37:49.684 --> 37:52.478 It wasn't until afterwards that people started to 37:52.561 --> 37:55.856 realize what a convoluted finish it was. 37:55.939 --> 37:57.691 In our business, 37:57.775 --> 37:59.860 you can screw up the whole match. 37:59.943 --> 38:02.613 Do not fuck up the finish. 38:02.655 --> 38:04.824 Then all hell broke loose. 38:04.907 --> 38:06.784 ♪ 38:06.867 --> 38:08.702 [Eric] Back in internet world, 38:08.785 --> 38:11.162 all the purveyors of truth out there, they- 38:11.246 --> 38:13.624 all of a sudden- became so obsessed over 38:13.708 --> 38:16.209 the finish of Starrcade '97. 38:16.293 --> 38:19.130 'What really happened between Sting and Hogan?" 38:19.171 --> 38:20.630 "Why did it happen?" 38:20.673 --> 38:22.967 "How did you let that happen?" 38:23.050 --> 38:25.218 I mean, I still get heat for that. 38:25.302 --> 38:27.387 [Konnan] Bischoff had kind of hitched his wagon to Hogan, 38:27.470 --> 38:29.180 he kind of listened to what he said 38:29.264 --> 38:31.224 more than the other guys. 38:31.309 --> 38:33.351 [Eric] On the day of the Sting-Hogan match, 38:33.436 --> 38:37.981 it was apparent to both Hulk and I that Sting didn't 38:38.064 --> 38:42.485 appear to be nearly as excited about the opportunity 38:42.528 --> 38:45.197 that we'd been working on for 18 months. 38:45.280 --> 38:48.492 There was something about him that day that was off. 38:48.534 --> 38:49.744 Sting left the room, 38:49.827 --> 38:52.162 and Hulk and I kind of looked at each other, 38:52.246 --> 38:53.496 and I said, "What are you thinking?" 38:53.581 --> 38:56.416 And he goes, "Not today, brother. 38:56.499 --> 38:59.211 Not today. His head's not right." 38:59.295 --> 39:02.213 Hulk just wasn't feeling it so, 39:02.298 --> 39:04.550 we changed the finish, or lack thereof, 39:04.633 --> 39:05.842 of a clean finish, 39:05.925 --> 39:08.387 because Hulk Hogan has creative control. 39:08.470 --> 39:11.057 He had creative control, he didn't give two shits. 39:11.139 --> 39:14.351 He'd walk in at 7:30, read the TV and say, 39:14.434 --> 39:16.019 "Doesn't work for me, brother." 39:16.061 --> 39:18.688 Yes, you know, free right to pretty much do 39:18.731 --> 39:20.273 whatever he wanted, and he has no interest 39:20.358 --> 39:22.943 in that company other than himself. 39:23.026 --> 39:24.862 That right there can really start 39:24.945 --> 39:26.697 turning things a certain way. 39:26.780 --> 39:28.699 I think the only guy that 39:28.740 --> 39:31.409 was not political was Sting. 39:31.494 --> 39:34.204 Sting didn't seem to be part of that group. 39:34.287 --> 39:38.209 I think Sting had been convinced that Hulk was 39:38.291 --> 39:39.709 gonna pull the rug out from underneath him 39:39.793 --> 39:41.461 at the last minute. 39:41.545 --> 39:45.215 He walked into that meeting expecting it. 39:45.298 --> 39:47.258 And it actually manifested it. 39:47.342 --> 39:49.427 When guys got those kind of agendas, 39:49.512 --> 39:52.722 thinking about themselves, that's what happens. 39:52.807 --> 39:55.559 And, ah, that's pretty much when the ship start- 39:55.601 --> 39:57.394 started to go down. 40:05.026 --> 40:06.737 [Eric] Starrcade '97, Hogan and Sting, 40:06.820 --> 40:10.240 is gonna haunt me for the rest of my life. 40:10.282 --> 40:13.244 We had the audience in the palm of our hands. 40:13.284 --> 40:16.621 But unfortunately, the end didn't 40:16.704 --> 40:19.291 live up to the rest of the story. 40:19.374 --> 40:21.793 And certainly wasn't what the fans wanted. 40:21.876 --> 40:24.255 You'll find people who think that was the reason 40:24.296 --> 40:26.256 WCW kind of went downhill. 40:26.298 --> 40:28.800 Whatever, wrestling fans. 40:28.883 --> 40:32.470 ♪ 40:32.555 --> 40:35.099 The WWF had really established a strong 40:35.141 --> 40:37.476 creative foundation throughout '97. 40:37.559 --> 40:38.601 If you go back and look at the numbers, 40:38.644 --> 40:41.771 you can start to see that gap getting ever closer. 40:41.856 --> 40:43.189 Vince McMahon went on camera, and said, 40:43.273 --> 40:44.941 "We're gonna change the way we do things. 40:44.983 --> 40:47.945 We're not gonna insult the audience's intelligence." 40:47.987 --> 40:49.280 The World Wrestling Federation has been an 40:49.363 --> 40:51.282 entertainment mainstay here in North America, 40:51.322 --> 40:52.782 and all over the world. 40:52.825 --> 40:55.785 As the times have changed, so have we. 40:55.827 --> 40:57.037 I'm happy to say that this new, 40:57.121 --> 40:59.456 vibrant creative direction has resulted in a 40:59.497 --> 41:02.041 huge increase in television viewership. 41:02.126 --> 41:03.961 He's saying, "We're gonna do what those other guys are 41:04.003 --> 41:06.046 doing because it's really kicking our ass and 41:06.130 --> 41:08.215 it's beginning to hurt." 41:08.298 --> 41:12.135 Vince brings Mike Tyson into WrestleMania... 41:12.218 --> 41:15.472 knowing that anything that Tyson does, 41:15.514 --> 41:17.141 it's a million bucks. 41:17.182 --> 41:19.476 [Cheering] 41:19.517 --> 41:21.144 Tyson! 41:21.186 --> 41:23.229 The next night I saw Kevin, 41:23.313 --> 41:25.858 first thing I said to Kev was... 41:25.941 --> 41:29.487 "You feel the water? It's getting cold." 41:29.570 --> 41:33.157 In other words, we're on our way to the iceberg. 41:33.199 --> 41:35.242 Me and Disco Inferno, 41:35.325 --> 41:37.994 we thought The Rock was cool. 41:38.077 --> 41:40.331 And we thought Steve Austin was cool. 41:40.414 --> 41:42.708 And me and Disco were always in the back watching them, 41:42.791 --> 41:44.918 you know, backstage, and we would get heat: 41:45.001 --> 41:46.170 "Why are you watching the show?" 41:46.211 --> 41:48.088 "'Cause it's better than ours." 41:48.171 --> 41:51.258 You know, at that time, I really did not give a fuck. 41:51.342 --> 41:53.760 Bischoff, he remembers the big crowds and 41:53.843 --> 41:56.847 he was the king pin. But the truth of it is, 41:56.930 --> 41:59.391 he never knew anything about wrestling. 41:59.474 --> 42:00.767 And then towards the end, basically, 42:00.851 --> 42:03.771 he was just yes-ing to Hogan. 42:03.854 --> 42:05.563 It was a disaster. 42:05.648 --> 42:07.608 Hogan was the bigger talent. 42:07.691 --> 42:10.528 Hogan was the guy that he was gonna go with. 42:10.610 --> 42:13.530 No matter what. 42:13.572 --> 42:16.367 That's the bond right there, Hogan and Bischoff. 42:16.450 --> 42:19.619 They're both accountable to each other. 42:19.702 --> 42:23.039 That's the secret, is that Hulk Hogan was basically 42:23.081 --> 42:25.709 the puppet master to Eric Bischoff, 42:25.793 --> 42:28.211 and Erich Bischoff... 42:28.295 --> 42:30.923 he was just a prop and, 42:31.005 --> 42:33.300 that's what killed WCW. 42:33.383 --> 42:35.802 [Eric] Everything looks easier from the outside, 42:35.885 --> 42:38.639 but once you get inside, you realize just how 42:38.722 --> 42:41.642 complicated and nuanced some things that appear to be 42:41.724 --> 42:44.936 so easy and so simple really are. 42:45.019 --> 42:47.898 Who's responsible for killing WCW? 42:47.939 --> 42:50.150 Just look at some of the names who were floating around 42:50.233 --> 42:53.403 at the highest levels within Turner Broadcasting. 42:53.445 --> 42:56.657 They wanted WCW to go away. 42:56.740 --> 42:58.742 And they got their wish. 42:58.825 --> 43:02.287 ♪ 43:03.414 --> 43:06.083 Whenever you're leading a night and now you're not 43:06.166 --> 43:09.461 leading a night, there's reason for concern. 43:09.545 --> 43:11.338 We hit a small brick wall. 43:11.421 --> 43:14.675 The wheels started falling off, creatively. 43:14.758 --> 43:16.677 What the fuck is this? 43:16.760 --> 43:18.929 WWE's answer was Attitude. 43:19.012 --> 43:20.430 Oh! 43:20.514 --> 43:22.766 They were willing to go further creatively. 43:22.849 --> 43:26.186 That's exactly what we're gonna do to kill you off. 43:26.269 --> 43:27.104 Why are we doing this? 43:27.186 --> 43:29.481 Is this "classy" enough for our networks? 43:29.564 --> 43:31.316 That pissed me off. 43:31.400 --> 43:34.193 They started to handcuff us with Standards & Practices. 43:34.278 --> 43:36.113 Can you say "butt" on TBS? 43:36.155 --> 43:39.782 I'm not convinced that wasn't an orchestrated hit job. 43:39.867 --> 43:41.284 I don't think that's debatable. 43:41.367 --> 43:42.827 There were too many conspiracies 43:42.910 --> 43:44.996 behind the scenes trying to knock him off. 43:45.079 --> 43:47.499 Once you have the monkeys running the zoo, 43:47.583 --> 43:48.709 you're in trouble. 43:48.791 --> 43:49.793 Woo! 43:49.834 --> 43:50.668 The blood was in the water, 43:50.753 --> 43:52.463 and the sharks were coming to get it. 43:52.546 --> 43:54.548 That's the name of the game. 43:54.630 --> 43:57.133 People will try to manipulate. 43:57.217 --> 43:59.637 And who prevailed? [Clicking tongue] 43:59.720 --> 44:01.639 [Loud popping] 44:01.722 --> 44:03.139 He is in the house!70085

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