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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,250 --> 00:00:12,910 He's writing out names of people he hates. 2 00:00:13,250 --> 00:00:18,770 He does follow people home and he makes people sick. 3 00:00:19,470 --> 00:00:22,330 Every single person that I have working for me right now has had something 4 00:00:22,330 --> 00:00:26,850 happen. I just worry that it could follow me home, hurt someone I love. 5 00:00:27,130 --> 00:00:30,170 He can go anywhere to anyone at any time. 6 00:00:30,450 --> 00:00:31,450 Not good. 7 00:00:32,030 --> 00:00:35,950 If you're okay with it, maybe we expand our investigation and do another walk. 8 00:00:36,810 --> 00:00:38,010 I'm seeing skeletons. 9 00:00:38,650 --> 00:00:40,430 They're stacked on top of each other. 10 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:45,250 Body parts were actually raining down from the sky. 11 00:00:45,750 --> 00:00:49,890 One of the things that I saw him doing was actually eating a human heart. 12 00:00:52,870 --> 00:00:56,010 He still believes that this is his town. 13 00:00:56,250 --> 00:00:57,330 He wants it back. 14 00:00:59,470 --> 00:01:01,030 He wants the person dead. 15 00:01:01,330 --> 00:01:02,890 My name is Amy Allen. 16 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:04,810 I see dead people. 17 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:06,770 I saw a winged creature. 18 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,040 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 19 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,700 This person feels like a monster. 20 00:01:14,060 --> 00:01:16,820 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 21 00:01:17,020 --> 00:01:20,100 They are sucking the life out of these people. 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:22,320 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,760 I'm Steve Bischoff. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,940 So how many bodies are we talking? And I know every person, every house, has 25 00:01:30,940 --> 00:01:35,670 secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never 26 00:01:35,670 --> 00:01:37,050 communicate during an investigation. 27 00:01:37,390 --> 00:01:38,650 Until the very end. 28 00:01:39,170 --> 00:01:40,230 I'm not going to like this. 29 00:01:40,590 --> 00:01:44,730 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I'm sorry, I need to take a break. 30 00:01:45,470 --> 00:01:49,330 Or time to get out. It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,480 Amy and I got called into Flagstaff a couple of weeks ago to help a business 32 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,560 that was struggling with the paranormal. 33 00:02:10,180 --> 00:02:13,180 Little did we know at the time that the entire freaking town was haunted. 34 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:19,920 So we decided to stay and expand our investigation and for the first time try 35 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:20,920 help an entire city. 36 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,260 Tonight you'll find out what's really going on in your town and what you can 37 00:02:25,260 --> 00:02:25,999 about it. 38 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,400 But first we're going to start from the very beginning from when Amy and I first 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,400 got here. 40 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,620 I got a desperate call from a woman named Jessica who runs a crystal shop 41 00:02:44,620 --> 00:02:46,400 been in her family for three generations. 42 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,200 But now she's scared. 43 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:51,440 Scared for her employees, her customers, and herself. 44 00:02:52,920 --> 00:02:54,320 It's gotten really bad. 45 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,380 Every single one of my employees has a story. 46 00:02:57,740 --> 00:02:59,940 I'm afraid that everything is going to get worse. 47 00:03:00,940 --> 00:03:05,880 Now she told me activity's gotten so bad, if we can't help, she may have to 48 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:06,880 the place down. 49 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:08,980 I hope A .B. and I can figure out how to fix it. 50 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,880 I see this dead woman. 51 00:03:22,180 --> 00:03:26,060 She is wearing a bride dress and a long veil. 52 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:30,680 We start holding hands. 53 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,760 And then she jumps up on my back and she gets all evil looking. And I'm like, 54 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:37,240 oh, damn. I'm like, she's with people. 55 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:41,240 So she's not all good. 56 00:03:53,260 --> 00:03:57,480 So, Jessica, this is a really nice shop you got here in a great little town. 57 00:03:58,100 --> 00:04:00,700 What the hell's going on? You didn't sound good on the phone when we spoke. 58 00:04:01,660 --> 00:04:06,220 We've just been having way too many things happening, and now my staff is 59 00:04:06,220 --> 00:04:09,200 scared. So I can imagine you're probably worried about your customers as well. 60 00:04:09,660 --> 00:04:13,880 Absolutely. And there's a lot of very fragile, sharp things in the store, so 61 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,420 definitely worried about their safety, too. 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,779 All your employees having experiences, or is it just you? 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,740 Every single person that I have working for me right now has had something 64 00:04:21,740 --> 00:04:25,520 happen. What part of the store is the worst for your employees and yourself? 65 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,380 I'd definitely say it's the basement. 66 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,940 Okay. It always feels really creepy down there. There is a series of tunnels 67 00:04:31,940 --> 00:04:33,880 that kind of connects all of downtown. 68 00:04:34,340 --> 00:04:36,440 Really? That also connects to our basement. 69 00:04:36,740 --> 00:04:39,740 Tunnels? Mm -hmm. That's interesting. That's something I'm going to look into. 70 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:43,580 All right, so let's start with basics. How long do you own the shop? 71 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,080 It's been in my family for 35 years. I was raised in the store, raised with 72 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:53,580 business, so it's part of who I am. You know, I have two young kids. I want them 73 00:04:53,580 --> 00:04:56,040 to feel like they're safe in here as well. 74 00:04:56,300 --> 00:04:57,300 Okay. 75 00:04:57,420 --> 00:04:59,940 So if you can, give me a list of what you guys are experiencing. 76 00:05:00,620 --> 00:05:01,620 Footsteps and voices. 77 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,900 We have things flying off the shelf. 78 00:05:04,340 --> 00:05:08,520 We always feel like we're being watched, and we're seeing apparition. 79 00:05:08,820 --> 00:05:11,420 Are you having experiences anyplace else but the shop? 80 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:14,600 I have experiences pretty much everywhere in Flagstaff. 81 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,620 Okay, that's interesting. 82 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,240 Have you ever tried to bring somebody in to try to get rid of what's here? No, 83 00:05:20,260 --> 00:05:22,480 but I do some of my own things. 84 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:27,460 Like what? Every single time I walk in that door, I kind of say out into the 85 00:05:27,460 --> 00:05:28,920 space, please leave me alone. 86 00:05:29,380 --> 00:05:32,020 I also do some smudging with White Sage. 87 00:05:32,380 --> 00:05:35,280 Has the smudging and you talking out loud helped? 88 00:05:35,940 --> 00:05:37,840 No. What are you hoping we can do for you? 89 00:05:38,140 --> 00:05:39,960 I really want to know what's here. 90 00:05:40,540 --> 00:05:45,080 why they're here and essentially how to either get rid of them or at least 91 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,400 appease them so that they aren't harassing my staff on a daily basis. 92 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,720 I'm seeing this flat -looking shadow guy. 93 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:57,500 He's extremely tall, very wide. 94 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:04,900 He's got a hat and a suit, very flat, flat against a wall, all shadow. 95 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,060 And he truly, absolutely feels he's untouchable. 96 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:12,970 He came and took everything from everyone. 97 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:17,090 He hurt and harmed so many. I think people have been trying to get rid of 98 00:06:17,090 --> 00:06:19,950 for a long time, and ain't nothing worked. 99 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:23,490 He's like kind of losing his humanity at this point. 100 00:06:23,750 --> 00:06:24,790 This is strange. 101 00:06:25,030 --> 00:06:26,610 I see him eating something. 102 00:06:26,970 --> 00:06:33,610 He's eating a human heart, and it was apparently Native American. 103 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:37,410 He can go anywhere to anyone at any time. 104 00:06:37,630 --> 00:06:38,630 Not good. 105 00:06:47,270 --> 00:06:48,270 What's going on here? 106 00:06:48,470 --> 00:06:53,270 Well, our basement is right back there. Okay. And it's where most of us see 107 00:06:53,270 --> 00:06:55,110 apparitions or shadow figures. 108 00:06:55,390 --> 00:06:58,770 The shadow figures, can you describe what it looks like? It doesn't really 109 00:06:58,770 --> 00:07:04,890 any shape. It just looks like something black moving in my peripheral vision. Do 110 00:07:04,890 --> 00:07:08,170 you have any windows in the basements from the outside? No. All right, so 111 00:07:08,170 --> 00:07:10,110 can be cast in the shadow from outside? 112 00:07:10,450 --> 00:07:14,370 No. Okay, so anything else? Sometimes merchandise just flies off the shelf. 113 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,780 So I got to ask you, I felt when those trains went by here, it's right across 114 00:07:19,780 --> 00:07:23,400 the street. Is it possible the trains causing some of the stuff to fall off? 115 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:28,580 No, I mean, this building is old, but it doesn't shake when the trains go by. 116 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:29,840 Okay, so anything else? 117 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,360 I never get migraines, ever. 118 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:37,380 And when I've been coming into the store these last couple of days, it's just 119 00:07:37,380 --> 00:07:43,060 been these pulsing migraines that don't go away unless I leave the building. 120 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Interesting, okay. 121 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,040 You can get out of this investigation. 122 00:07:47,420 --> 00:07:48,420 It's a family business. 123 00:07:48,540 --> 00:07:54,240 This business means the world to me, to my parents, and I really would love to 124 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:59,280 be able to pass this business on to my kids and that I feel safe to pass it on 125 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,440 to them so that we can continue this for as many generations as we can do it. 126 00:08:10,820 --> 00:08:11,820 There's a guy. 127 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,100 He seems to be recent. 128 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:22,220 And so I think that he used to work here. He's very like ADHD. 129 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,040 It's kind of like all over the place. 130 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:27,660 He's making my head hurt too. 131 00:08:28,540 --> 00:08:32,520 I'm getting like really sharp head pain with him. 132 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:37,120 And I think the living, they could get headaches in this area. And also they've 133 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,440 become very scattered up in this area. Like they couldn't, can't focus, can't 134 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:42,880 keep track of their thoughts. 135 00:08:45,099 --> 00:08:47,620 People would get very drained around him. 136 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,580 He does do a lot of physical stuff in here. He's, like, into stuff. He's, 137 00:08:52,580 --> 00:08:53,760 messing with things. 138 00:08:55,460 --> 00:08:58,980 It's almost like he's trying to, like, interact with people. They might feel, 139 00:08:59,060 --> 00:09:04,520 like, pats or pressure on their back, shoulders, arms, which I guess would 140 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:05,520 them out. 141 00:09:12,940 --> 00:09:14,740 So, Brittany, how long have you been working here? 142 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,860 On and off for the past three years. 143 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,060 I was talking to Jessica, and it sounds like you guys have a paranormal problem 144 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:23,100 here. Do you agree with that? I would agree with that. 145 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,680 I feel like it's gotten worse over the years. 146 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,900 So are there experiences you could tell me about? 147 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:35,740 Yeah. I came in to open one morning, and there was journals thrown across the 148 00:09:35,740 --> 00:09:37,360 floor off one of the shelves. 149 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,400 Okay. I do have a picture of that, actually. 150 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:46,920 Looking at that photo, it seems pretty aggressive. What do you think happened? 151 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,840 I feel as though there is a ghost here that is a man. 152 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,480 Okay. And I think that he is the one that throws things off the shelf. 153 00:09:57,980 --> 00:09:59,180 All right, what else can you tell me? 154 00:09:59,380 --> 00:10:01,920 The faucet turns on in the bathroom on its own. 155 00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:06,040 Is it possible maybe a co -worker just left it on by accident? Because I do it 156 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,240 all the time. I don't think so. 157 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:10,220 I've never had any of the girls leave the faucet on. 158 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:11,560 Does it freak you out? 159 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:13,400 It scares me, yeah. 160 00:10:14,430 --> 00:10:15,430 Okay. 161 00:10:16,610 --> 00:10:17,610 Okay. 162 00:10:18,090 --> 00:10:23,290 The flat dude, I see him bothering people around the bathroom. 163 00:10:24,130 --> 00:10:28,330 I'm, like, seeing women in the restroom. 164 00:10:28,630 --> 00:10:29,910 Very creepy. 165 00:10:30,610 --> 00:10:33,510 I don't know how they're experiencing this. 166 00:10:34,090 --> 00:10:38,730 Like, I don't know if they're seeing this shadow figure or if they're feeling 167 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:41,470 anything on them. 168 00:10:44,780 --> 00:10:48,420 Like, I'm hearing the woman being like, get out of here. Get out of here. Leave 169 00:10:48,420 --> 00:10:49,079 me alone. 170 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Leave me alone. 171 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:51,820 Get out of here. Leave me alone. 172 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:58,620 She's very angry. I see her hitting her leg, and then she's saying, get out of 173 00:10:58,620 --> 00:11:00,240 here. Get out of here. Leave me alone. 174 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,440 Leave me alone. 175 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:29,330 So, Jordan, I was talking to Jessica, who owns the place, and she was saying a 176 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:31,830 lot of staff are pretty scared about the stuff that's going on here. 177 00:11:32,170 --> 00:11:37,190 Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely been kind of an eerie place to work. We've all had 178 00:11:37,190 --> 00:11:40,210 experiences. So she mentioned this basement in particular. 179 00:11:40,610 --> 00:11:44,270 Yeah. The basement is kind of where the most of us don't want to be. 180 00:11:44,610 --> 00:11:47,630 Okay. So can you tell me about some of the experiences you've had? 181 00:11:47,850 --> 00:11:49,450 So the other day I was vacuuming. 182 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,160 And I went to go for it, and all of a sudden it was stuck in place like 183 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,640 was holding it from behind me. 184 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,700 Can you show me how tough it was for you to... Nice. Give me your arm. 185 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:06,000 Oh. Okay, so it was pretty strong. It was significantly, like, not moving. 186 00:12:06,540 --> 00:12:10,080 Sometimes the brush on the vacuum can get stuck on the fibers in the rug. Was 187 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,080 that what happened? 188 00:12:11,300 --> 00:12:15,520 Well, we do have carpet, but I was doing the wood at this time. Okay, so... So 189 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:16,520 it wasn't getting stuck. 190 00:12:16,860 --> 00:12:17,860 Okay, so anything else? 191 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,320 When I was down here, I saw, like, the reflection of, like, a shadow behind me. 192 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,020 It felt very, like, engulfing, like, just all around me. 193 00:12:27,260 --> 00:12:30,760 All right, you must have crapped yourself. I was terrified when that 194 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,940 What do you think whatever's here wants? 195 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:38,660 It wants its face back. It wants maybe even, like, revenge. It's just we're not 196 00:12:38,660 --> 00:12:41,120 welcome here by that particular spirit. 197 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:42,520 Okay. 198 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:50,380 I don't want to go down there. 199 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,300 Okay. I don't honestly know why I'm hesitant. I just felt oppressed. 200 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,440 I don't like it, though. I don't like it. 201 00:13:00,060 --> 00:13:04,080 The flat -looking shadow guy hates when people come down here. 202 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:10,720 He's malignant. He tries to cause problems. Anybody he doesn't like, 203 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,360 he tries to take them down. 204 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,360 He can push people. 205 00:13:17,820 --> 00:13:20,000 And he's, like, pushing people to get out of here. 206 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,220 When he's in this area, he likes to hang out down here. And he, like, plots and 207 00:13:28,220 --> 00:13:33,280 plans. He's writing out names of people he hates, people he wants to do harm to. 208 00:13:33,420 --> 00:13:37,060 That's what he does. He does that wide circle area, wide circle area. 209 00:13:38,100 --> 00:13:40,620 And I think this might be one of the nicest. 210 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,760 So, Adeline, Jessica was saying there's a lot of paranormal activity in the 211 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,960 shop. Now, do you agree with that? Yes, for sure. 212 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,980 Okay. So you've had experiences, obviously, right? 213 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,560 Mm -hmm. I just feel watched all the time. 214 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,780 How does it feel to you? What kind of feeling is it? 215 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:10,120 It's just like someone is boring their eyes into the back of your head. 216 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,620 It feels like someone wants me to know that they're there. 217 00:14:14,060 --> 00:14:15,440 Okay. Is it an intimidating feel? 218 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:19,800 Yes. It's very scary. It makes me not want to be down here. 219 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,280 All right, so is there anything else? 220 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,520 Awful feeling of sickness that I get when I'm down here. 221 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:27,260 All right, describe the feeling for me. 222 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,800 Where my heart drops to my stomach. It's dread. It makes me feel like I'm going 223 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:32,699 to throw up. 224 00:14:32,700 --> 00:14:34,460 So there's a lot of activity in this place. 225 00:14:34,740 --> 00:14:36,880 Do you think it's possible somebody can get hurt from it? 226 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:42,020 I would just worry that if the spirit did get angry, that it could follow me 227 00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:46,780 home, hurt someone I love, or just get mad enough to the point where things get 228 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:47,780 ugly. 229 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Okay. 230 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:57,730 The flat -looking shadow guy did feel like that people had seen him. You know, 231 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:00,950 because when he's in the shadow form, he's the big guy. 232 00:15:04,070 --> 00:15:07,910 He don't want to be bothered, and he does get all psycho. 233 00:15:08,130 --> 00:15:11,210 I think he goes to other places that he thinks he owns. 234 00:15:12,890 --> 00:15:18,830 He does follow people home, and he makes people sick. 235 00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:21,030 And he will go home with them. 236 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,560 He will make them sicker and sicker and sicker. 237 00:15:24,340 --> 00:15:25,340 I don't feel good. 238 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,160 So Jessica's business is in an older building. 239 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Figured there had to be some history to it. Turns out one of the original owners 240 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,140 was a controversial guy. 241 00:15:48,939 --> 00:15:52,780 I'm heading over to meet a local professor who tells me he lived fast, 242 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:55,920 young, and made a lot of money and enemies along the way. 243 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,340 Well, Professor, thanks for helping me out with this case. I appreciate it. 244 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:06,300 Let's start at the top. What do we know about this guy? 245 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:11,580 So his name was James Bale, and he came here from Ohio in the early 1880s. He 246 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:16,610 was just in his 20s. And he ends up becoming a bartender at the saloon 247 00:16:16,610 --> 00:16:19,570 located right on the same premises as your client's business. 248 00:16:20,030 --> 00:16:22,530 So it was a saloon at one point, and he worked there. 249 00:16:22,790 --> 00:16:26,010 Exactly. So now you mentioned on the phone, Professor, that this kid made a 250 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:27,009 of money. 251 00:16:27,010 --> 00:16:28,250 How did he do that bartending? 252 00:16:28,570 --> 00:16:31,170 Well, James Vail took a Campbell, and he bought the saloon. 253 00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:35,770 And that went really well for a while until a big tragedy broke out across the 254 00:16:35,770 --> 00:16:38,030 town. Okay, so the tragedy, what happened? 255 00:16:38,330 --> 00:16:42,710 So in 1888, there was a huge fire across Flagstaff, and so many of the buildings 256 00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:46,310 were made out of wood, and a lot of them burned down, and James Vale's saloon 257 00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:50,830 was one of them. But he didn't give up, and so he rebuilt the saloon out of 258 00:16:50,830 --> 00:16:52,350 brick. You can see it right here. 259 00:16:54,630 --> 00:16:56,190 The building looks a little different now. 260 00:16:56,770 --> 00:17:00,930 Right, so some of the bricks were stuccoed over in the 1930s. But it's 261 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:02,090 bricks, though. Exactly. 262 00:17:02,430 --> 00:17:03,430 Wow, okay. 263 00:17:06,089 --> 00:17:07,470 I saw... 264 00:17:07,900 --> 00:17:14,280 Some fire, I think it's residual, this place, it was much, much smaller. 265 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,420 Some kind of like door way back in the day. 266 00:17:17,900 --> 00:17:23,260 So in this area, I'm feeling like a lot of this panic. I'm feeling, I'm hearing 267 00:17:23,260 --> 00:17:28,140 people yelling. And then I'm seeing like the walls closing in. 268 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,480 All right, so this James Vale kid. 269 00:17:36,300 --> 00:17:39,440 rebuilds his business after this tragic fire. How's it go after that? He does a 270 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,480 lot better after he adds a brothel to the saloon as well. Okay. I'm sure that 271 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,440 didn't go over well with some of the conservative folks in town. 272 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,680 But he does really well. He makes a lot of money and is able to buy a lot of 273 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,180 real estate around town, including a cattle ranch. 274 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,580 So now he's got a ranch and the bar and the whole house. 275 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,860 Okay. So now, Professor, you told me on the phone this kid died young. I mean, 276 00:18:01,900 --> 00:18:02,900 what happened? 277 00:18:02,910 --> 00:18:05,230 Things start to go really bad in 1905. 278 00:18:05,830 --> 00:18:09,950 He's out on his ranch during the summer. He's in a wagon, and he gets thrown 279 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:14,270 from the wagon by his horses. He hits the ground, breaks his leg, and so he's 280 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:18,590 able to keep the leg, but he is permanently disabled in a lot of pain. 281 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:22,890 All right, so he's got this bad injury, and he's disabled, but that's not what 282 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:23,729 killed him, right? 283 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:30,170 That's right. On April 3, 1906, he goes downtown, buys a .45 revolver, buys some 284 00:18:30,170 --> 00:18:35,870 bullets. Okay. Returns back to his ranch, and just before high noon, a shot 285 00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:40,970 rings out, and they find James Vail dead with a bullet hole in the head. 286 00:18:41,650 --> 00:18:43,350 He was just 45 years old. 287 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:45,010 Why would he kill himself? 288 00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:49,750 I think the pain was just too much for him, and I don't think he saw a way out. 289 00:18:49,890 --> 00:18:52,610 Well, you know, when it comes to suicide, nobody knows what's going 290 00:18:52,610 --> 00:18:53,610 people's heads. 291 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:58,050 This flat -looking shadow guy is down here a lot. 292 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:02,320 Did you get a name on him? 293 00:19:02,740 --> 00:19:04,060 Something like Jack. 294 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:11,240 I think this guy owned a lot around here. And I think he did 295 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,240 really bad. 296 00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:17,940 I think this might have been one of the places he owned or land he owned 297 00:19:17,940 --> 00:19:21,060 originally. And I think he thinks he still does. 298 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,760 He wants it back. 299 00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:29,540 So far, I have a client who's worried sick over the safety of her employees 300 00:19:29,540 --> 00:19:33,400 customers. on a property that was once owned by a shady businessman who 301 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:34,400 committed suicide. 302 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:36,420 But I want to see if there's anything else. 303 00:19:38,180 --> 00:19:40,960 Searching through old records, I find out Jessica was right. 304 00:19:41,300 --> 00:19:44,140 There really are tunnels running beneath downtown Flagstaff. 305 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:46,880 In fact, they run right underneath her shop. 306 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,740 I'm heading over to meet a woman who made a documentary about them. 307 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,440 These tunnels are used as infrastructure for the city. 308 00:19:54,780 --> 00:19:58,380 She tells me there are a lot of rumors and myths about these tunnels, and she 309 00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:59,500 wants to set the record straight. 310 00:20:04,810 --> 00:20:06,990 So, Nikki, thanks for helping me out with my investigation. 311 00:20:07,390 --> 00:20:09,110 These tunnels, I mean, what's the story with them? 312 00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:13,710 They run throughout the downtown area here in Flagstaff, and they connect 313 00:20:13,710 --> 00:20:15,670 several businesses to one another. 314 00:20:16,050 --> 00:20:17,830 All right, so when were they built? 315 00:20:18,110 --> 00:20:22,850 They were built actually in the late 1800s. Some of the tunnels were used as 316 00:20:22,850 --> 00:20:27,210 steam tunnels. They were only about two to two and a half feet wide, and the 317 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:29,170 steam would then heat the businesses downtown. 318 00:20:29,710 --> 00:20:31,810 Okay, so now what were the other tunnels used for? 319 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,620 This is actually where it gets a little bit interesting because some of the 320 00:20:35,620 --> 00:20:39,740 tunnels were used as passageways that you could get from one business to the 321 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:44,100 other. But there are actually a lot of rumors around town of what actually went 322 00:20:44,100 --> 00:20:45,100 on down there. 323 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,300 Okay, now you've piqued my interest. Like what? 324 00:20:47,500 --> 00:20:51,820 There was actually a rumor of some illegal card games, and any time the 325 00:20:51,820 --> 00:20:56,200 would come to raid it, the owner would push a button and they would escape. 326 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Okay, so any evidence of that? 327 00:20:58,740 --> 00:21:01,480 That's really just a local myth, so there's absolutely no evidence. 328 00:21:02,090 --> 00:21:04,370 All right, so these bigger tunnels, are they being used at all? 329 00:21:04,670 --> 00:21:09,230 In the 90s, Flagstaff actually did a renovation of the downtown area, which 330 00:21:09,230 --> 00:21:12,510 meant they sealed up a lot of the tunnels. Okay. But some of them are 331 00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:14,410 still used today for utility purposes. 332 00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:17,970 All right, so what are the chances I can get down there and see these tunnels? 333 00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:19,810 You actually can't get down there anymore. 334 00:21:20,030 --> 00:21:23,470 It's actually pretty unsafe, so I wouldn't recommend going down there. 335 00:21:23,550 --> 00:21:24,550 which makes sense. 336 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:27,870 Well, I appreciate you helping me because now I can tell a fact from 337 00:21:27,870 --> 00:21:28,870 when it comes to these tunnels. 338 00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:34,390 The flat shadow guy is not alone down here. 339 00:21:35,010 --> 00:21:37,330 There's a really weird looking thing with him. 340 00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:40,770 This is like they come and go through here. They come and go through here. 341 00:21:40,810 --> 00:21:41,810 okay. 342 00:21:43,030 --> 00:21:44,970 There's like walkways or something. 343 00:21:45,370 --> 00:21:48,650 So there's somewhere they go there. There's somewhere they go there. 344 00:21:50,130 --> 00:21:51,590 There's a lot going on down here. 345 00:21:52,690 --> 00:21:55,890 I'm also seeing, I am seeing bodies. I'm seeing skeletons. 346 00:21:56,110 --> 00:21:58,130 Okay. And they're like stacked. 347 00:21:59,530 --> 00:22:01,490 They're stacked on top of each other. 348 00:22:02,130 --> 00:22:03,330 I'm, like, scared. 349 00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:23,370 Word got out that we're investigating Jessica's crystal shop. Ever since then, 350 00:22:23,490 --> 00:22:24,970 my phone's been blowing up. 351 00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:27,690 A bunch of locals are begging to meet with me. 352 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,180 I've told them to meet me at a local bar so they can tell me what the hell is 353 00:22:31,180 --> 00:22:32,180 going on in this town. 354 00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:37,820 I own Victorian Moon Antiques here in downtown Flagstaff. 355 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,500 So I know you wanted to talk to me about some of the paranormal stuff that's 356 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:42,119 going on. 357 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:45,100 Yeah, I see shadow figures all the time. 358 00:22:45,300 --> 00:22:47,240 So where are you seeing these shadow figures? 359 00:22:47,580 --> 00:22:51,620 I see them at my shop. I see them at home. 360 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,660 I see them around town. 361 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:55,860 The next thing I knew... 362 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,900 More and more people started telling me they're seeing things they can't 363 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:01,800 explain. I'm a bartender at one of the breweries here in town. 364 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,000 So, what are you experiencing? 365 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,200 I'm seeing shadow figures around town. 366 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,780 You getting any kind of vibe off these shadow figures you're seeing? 367 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,180 Um, well, it makes me anxious. A little nervous. 368 00:23:11,380 --> 00:23:13,280 Feels like there could be some bad intent behind it. 369 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,240 Now, seeing shadow figures is one thing. I get that a lot. 370 00:23:16,500 --> 00:23:20,560 But what this local saw really surprised me. I was in the basement of the 371 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,820 downtown diner, and I saw a head. 372 00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:24,439 Just a head? 373 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:25,440 Just a head. 374 00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:26,970 And it was just kind of like a floating head? 375 00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:29,430 Yeah. I didn't have any body. 376 00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:36,270 It had very, like, palish skin. It had very long, dark hair. Very big head. And 377 00:23:36,270 --> 00:23:40,710 to me, it just had a very eerie, cold presence to its face. 378 00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:45,590 So when you saw this large head, I mean, did you freeze? What did you do? I 379 00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:50,590 looked at it, and I just ran away. I ran right out of the diner. I freaked out. 380 00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:51,970 Okay. 381 00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:57,830 That strange looking thing from the basement goes all over town. 382 00:23:58,210 --> 00:23:59,610 I'm trying to follow it. 383 00:24:00,450 --> 00:24:06,190 It's telling me it's here to help, but I don't know if I believe it. Are people 384 00:24:06,190 --> 00:24:07,210 seeing this in any way? 385 00:24:08,050 --> 00:24:12,230 It can change into any form and has been mistaken for other things. 386 00:24:12,490 --> 00:24:14,690 And then people are freaking out. 387 00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:16,310 A lot of panic. 388 00:24:19,690 --> 00:24:23,810 I spent the whole night at the bar with one local after another coming by to 389 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:25,050 tell their bizarre stories. 390 00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:31,770 I was at work once and the bathroom door opened and slammed just completely on 391 00:24:31,770 --> 00:24:33,790 its own. So it really freaked me out. 392 00:24:34,830 --> 00:24:37,330 The more I heard, the more concerns I got. 393 00:24:37,630 --> 00:24:42,650 I run a tour company in town. Ten years ago, I was spending the night at one of 394 00:24:42,650 --> 00:24:46,310 the hotels downtown and I woke up in the middle of the night feeling like I was 395 00:24:46,310 --> 00:24:47,310 being choked. 396 00:24:47,370 --> 00:24:50,450 It was just gasping for air, and I don't have asthma or anything, and I just 397 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:51,450 could not breathe. 398 00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:53,490 Did you think whatever it was was trying to kill you? 399 00:24:53,730 --> 00:24:54,730 You know, I did. 400 00:24:54,930 --> 00:24:58,590 One thing is clear to me. Just about everyone in Flagstaff is having 401 00:24:58,590 --> 00:25:02,530 experiences, and they're relieved to finally get a chance to talk about it. I 402 00:25:02,530 --> 00:25:05,570 work at the local theater. So you have experience you want to tell me about. 403 00:25:05,810 --> 00:25:06,749 What do you have? 404 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,710 There's a dark energy at the theater in the basement. 405 00:25:10,150 --> 00:25:14,490 So can you describe this feeling for me? She feels angry, like we're not wanted 406 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:18,250 there. So with all the activity that's going on in town, do you think somebody 407 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:19,149 can get hurt? 408 00:25:19,150 --> 00:25:20,150 I do. 409 00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:27,870 So that thing, he says he comes in here and he's helping people. 410 00:25:28,510 --> 00:25:31,670 Well, he's helping people with the past, the present, what's going on now. 411 00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:36,410 What kind of time frame are you talking about? It says it's been here forever. 412 00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:38,770 It's not from the earth. 413 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:43,890 Initially when I saw it, it was outside in the stars. You know, I think it's 414 00:25:43,890 --> 00:25:44,890 pretty immense. 415 00:25:45,050 --> 00:25:46,050 So it's not just here? 416 00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:47,790 No. God, no. 417 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:50,930 So does this thing operate on a global scale? 418 00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:52,630 No. 419 00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:54,550 Just Flagstaff? 420 00:25:57,250 --> 00:26:00,290 No, it's just there for sure, yeah. 421 00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:05,270 We were called in to investigate activity at a small family -run shop. 422 00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:08,290 But it sounds to me like the whole freaking town is haunted. 423 00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:12,210 So I don't like doing it, but I've got to break the rules this time. 424 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,460 Hey, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate it. So, you know, I haven't 425 00:26:22,460 --> 00:26:27,460 protocol in years, but we came to do this one location and people are coming 426 00:26:27,460 --> 00:26:31,120 to me one after the other after the other, telling me how there's activity 427 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,340 throughout the whole downtown. 428 00:26:32,700 --> 00:26:39,400 Yeah, I did get two things that might be affecting the entire 429 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,400 town. Really? 430 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,620 Yeah. So I'm thinking if you're okay with it, maybe we expand our 431 00:26:45,620 --> 00:26:46,800 and do another walk. 432 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:52,730 Okay. You down with that? Yeah, I'm absolutely open to doing that. Just be 433 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:55,230 careful because it sounds like the whole freaking place is haunted. 434 00:26:56,050 --> 00:26:58,030 And you never know what you're going to come up against. 435 00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:16,490 As soon as Amy and I decided to expand our investigation, I got a call from a 436 00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:18,590 guy who works at the Flagstaff Visitor Center. 437 00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:23,570 He heard I had been talking to locals about the paranormal activity and said I 438 00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:25,690 have no idea just how bad things are. 439 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:39,250 So, Joshua, when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty adamant about talking 440 00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:40,049 to me. 441 00:27:40,050 --> 00:27:41,070 What the hell's going on? 442 00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:45,260 We're getting all kinds of stories from all the different locations that we send 443 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:49,520 our visitors out to. And some people are afraid to work in certain places. 444 00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:54,420 Some people may be afraid to come visit us. I hope you can figure out what's 445 00:27:54,420 --> 00:27:57,160 here and what we can do to keep everybody safe. 446 00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,060 Have you had experiences in town? 447 00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:02,400 I have had many experiences here in town. You have? I have. 448 00:28:02,620 --> 00:28:07,100 At the visitor center, we have a basement and an attic. It always feels 449 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:08,100 someone's watching you. 450 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:13,260 Okay, so anything else? We had an employee at the visitor center report 451 00:28:13,260 --> 00:28:14,540 locked in the basement. 452 00:28:14,900 --> 00:28:16,520 So what do you think happened with this lock? 453 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,940 I myself many times have tried to debunk how it would lock from the inside, and 454 00:28:21,940 --> 00:28:26,220 that door does not lock from the inside. I believe something was holding the 455 00:28:26,220 --> 00:28:27,220 door closed. 456 00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:28,720 It scared me pretty good. 457 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:30,760 It seems this entire town is haunted. 458 00:28:31,660 --> 00:28:35,940 Is there any other place in town that sounds good to check out? A lot of 459 00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,700 out of the Orpheon Theater. 460 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,140 What are you hoping we could do for you? When people come here and visit, we 461 00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:45,820 want them to be safe. You know, we really want to make sure that when our 462 00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:50,480 come, that we can send them out to these places and there's nothing that's going 463 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,380 to attach to them or go home with them. 464 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,760 I saw two things on my first walk that I believe are affecting the entire town. 465 00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:11,940 Tonight, I'm going to see if that's really the case. 466 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:19,280 The same alien thing that I got on my first walk showed up covered in leaves. 467 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840 The flat -looking shadow guy is out here, too. 468 00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:29,940 What exactly does he want? 469 00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:32,960 He wants his... 470 00:29:36,719 --> 00:29:38,320 What does that mean for the living? 471 00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:41,300 That he tries to get them out. 472 00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:44,320 So he wants to get everything back that he had in life? 473 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960 Yes. 474 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,100 Well, Susan, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate that. 475 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,360 So this is a really cool venue you got here. How old is this building? 476 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,940 So it was built in 1911. 477 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,300 Wow. Operated as a cinematic house, and then in the winter of 1915, due to a 478 00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,200 huge snowstorm, the whole roof collapsed, destroyed the building, and 479 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,440 to be rebuilt in 1917. 480 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,820 So I'm investigating paranormal activity throughout the whole downtown area 481 00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:21,120 here. Spoke to Joshua, and he said you guys are having issues as well. Is that 482 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,640 true? That is correct, yes. 483 00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:27,800 Are there any experiences you can tell me about? Yeah, I tend to see shadowy 484 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,360 figures from time to time. 485 00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,180 I would see them up in the curtains and then up into the balcony. 486 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480 Okay, what do they look like? 487 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,000 They look human -like, but more kind of shadowy and moving quickly. 488 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,600 Okay, so anything else? 489 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Sometimes these lights up in the truck would come on. By themselves? 490 00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:46,420 Yes. Do you think somebody broke in? 491 00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:50,000 No, because nobody would have known how to turn them on. 492 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Okay. It's run through our computerized lighting track. 493 00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,120 So it seems everywhere I go, everybody's had an experience. 494 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,590 I mean, it sounds like the whole... The town is haunted. Do you think so? 495 00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:59,830 I definitely do. 496 00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:04,070 I mean, it has a long history, and I've heard a lot of stories as well. So I do 497 00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:06,630 think the town has a haunted history and culture. 498 00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:11,250 I'm seeing that woman who's dressed like a bride again. 499 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:17,650 Okay, so apparently she spends a lot of time here. So I'm getting that she 500 00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:22,450 causes a lot of problems with people on the stage. 501 00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:25,770 She's very upset. 502 00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:29,590 She does a lot of bad things here. 503 00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:37,270 She is climbing on their backs. I wonder if they feel literally a 504 00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:44,130 weight on their shoulders all of a sudden, feeling like something really 505 00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:50,150 slammed onto them. She can affect electricity, and she'll do it on purpose 506 00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:55,230 I think if people see her, they see her white misty. 507 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,380 and all this kind of stuff. She kind of wants this all to herself. 508 00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,560 I understand you used to work here. I worked in the concession stand at the 509 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,720 front of the building. 510 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320 So I was talking to Susan that runs the place. 511 00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:17,980 She thinks there's a lot of activity here. Do you agree with that? 512 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,739 I do. 513 00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:22,700 I've definitely known a lot of people who have had some kind of experience 514 00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,780 Okay. And you as well? Me too, yes. 515 00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:28,850 I was about six months pregnant when I was working here about ten years ago, 516 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:33,290 I was moving some stuff from one end of the building to the other, and something 517 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,570 pushed me from behind into a table. 518 00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:38,590 Please tell me you didn't get hurt. I mean, it hurt when it happened, but 519 00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:42,070 nothing happened to, you know, my daughter was fine. Everything was good. 520 00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:45,210 Okay. Do me a favor and show me how hard the push was. 521 00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:46,470 Okay. 522 00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:49,070 Oh. Sorry. Okay. 523 00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:53,590 When this happened, what did you do? I ran outside and started crying. 524 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,460 It felt like something was trying to hurt me. 525 00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:59,200 So that was pretty frightening for you. Yes. Okay, anything else? 526 00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,500 Yeah, about a year and a half ago, I came here to see a show. Okay. My friend 527 00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,580 and I were able to go backstage, and as soon as we got back there, I had this 528 00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:10,680 feeling of we need to get out of here, like impending doom. 529 00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,000 As soon as we left, I felt fine. 530 00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:16,460 Obviously, you feel there's paranormal activity here. 531 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,520 Yes. I think the whole town's haunted. 532 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,020 How do you feel? I agree with you 100%. And in that time, I've seen... 533 00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:27,330 People, good people, do bad things. 534 00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:32,150 So what you're saying is that the paranormal in this town actually could 535 00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:32,989 influence people? 536 00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:35,310 Yeah, to do, like, evil things. 537 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:36,750 Okay. 538 00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:46,630 Ooh, there's some dead dude up in here. 539 00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:49,090 Wow, he's pissed. 540 00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:51,670 Okay. Ooh, lordy. 541 00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:54,820 With him in the living, it's not a great thing. 542 00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,800 They're feeling very anxious and very panicked, but this is his anger. This is 543 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,320 how they're interpreting the anger. 544 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,020 I think people see him, but it's just shadow figure, male shadow figure. 545 00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:11,179 big, though. He blows himself up, so he gets really big. 546 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,400 Also, you can't breathe around him. 547 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,900 That's something with his death. When he was dying, he couldn't breathe. 548 00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:22,699 He's like... 549 00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:41,199 So 550 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:48,020 Sam, thanks for meeting with me. I appreciate it. From what I 551 00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:50,300 understand, your hotel has activity here. 552 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,860 But before we get to that, this is a beautiful spot. 553 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,380 You are the owner, right? 554 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,139 Right. My husband and myself. 555 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,360 Assuming you know some history about the place, what can you tell me? 556 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:07,080 It was built by John Weatherford as a general store in 1897, and then he 557 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,080 it into a hotel in 1900. 558 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:13,080 John Weatherford also built the Orpheum Theater next door. 559 00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:15,880 So I just came from there. So this guy had a real mark on this town. 560 00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:17,058 Yeah. 561 00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:18,300 So let's get to the paranormal. 562 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,920 Have you had any experiences? 563 00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:21,038 I have. 564 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,900 A gentleman stayed with us once and wrote me and said that he got up in the 565 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:31,760 morning, looked through the window of the ballroom, and he saw a waist -like 566 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,680 female -type character float across the room. 567 00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:38,320 Now, did you question the guy if it could have been maybe a hotel guest or 568 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,940 something like that? I did. I wrote him back, and it was too early in the 569 00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:44,080 morning. It couldn't even have been the housekeeping. 570 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,700 Okay, any other guest experiences you could tell me about? 571 00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,420 Yes, a former employee. 572 00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:53,030 Uh that stayed with us said she woke up in the middle of the night and had a 573 00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:56,810 couple sitting on her bed It startled her and before she knew it they got up 574 00:35:56,810 --> 00:36:01,190 they walked through the door through the door through the door I mean, i'm a i'm 575 00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:03,550 a pretty hardcore guy. I think that would scare the out of me 576 00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:10,470 There are a lot 577 00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,770 of dead here I'm seeing this guy playing the piano. 578 00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:17,210 He was showing me 579 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,160 A girl that would hang out with him when he would play the piano. 580 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,240 So they may hear females talking. 581 00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:31,420 Like, I'm just getting flashes of them. 582 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:37,500 So possibly people would see like that, these flashes, like, of these women. 583 00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:47,900 So, Chelsea, I understand you're the general manager here. 584 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640 I am. From what I've heard, this place is kind of haunted. 585 00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:54,480 Yeah, actually, growing up in this building, there were two dead people I 586 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,480 all the time. 587 00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:56,580 Tell me about the first one. 588 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,380 Well, there was a girl by the name of Matilda that I used to play with all the 589 00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:01,380 time upstairs. 590 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,800 Okay. Was she nice to you? Did you guys get along? 591 00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:08,080 She was. She was a very light presence, very kind. 592 00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:11,420 So what about the other one? His name was Algernon, and he lived in the 593 00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:12,420 basement. 594 00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,960 He had a bit of a dark presence to him, almost evil. 595 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,780 I knew there was something bad about him. Did they move on, you think? 596 00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020 No, they're definitely still here. 597 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,240 Why do you say that? 598 00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:25,560 Right when we were reopening the gopher hole. 599 00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:29,100 Okay. We were doing a lot of construction down there. Okay. And we 600 00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:34,540 upset him. I was shining a glass, and another one shot off the drink rack and 601 00:37:34,540 --> 00:37:38,420 hit a mirror right behind me, and I knew that was him. This glass was directed 602 00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:39,058 at you? 603 00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:40,060 Right past my face. 604 00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:42,240 So did anything else like that ever happen? 605 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,880 Actually, there is a bottle in this actual room. 606 00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:49,950 Okay. Right up there, and it fell off the top of that ledge. 607 00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:51,230 Did you see it fall? 608 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,770 From security cameras after the fact. 609 00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:56,850 Do you have that available for me to look at? 610 00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:58,050 I actually do. 611 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:07,750 Oh, jeez. 612 00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:10,850 You're lucky somebody wasn't standing there. 613 00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:15,130 So, Chelsea, let me ask you a question. Anybody else you think I should talk to 614 00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:16,270 about? What's going on here? 615 00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:20,410 Well, you could talk to Nancy down the street at the diner. And she's the 616 00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:21,730 She is. Okay. 617 00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:25,510 From what I could tell during my investigation, it seems like this whole 618 00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:26,530 haunted. Do you agree with that? 619 00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:29,210 I definitely do. I mean, it's the Wild West. 620 00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:31,850 Yeah. There's a lot of history here in Flagstaff. 621 00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:36,830 There's one male who's here often. 622 00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:43,930 I think he was like some kind of manager maybe in like the 1930s or 40s. 623 00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:45,130 I think people see him. 624 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,450 Because I think he does stuff. 625 00:38:48,690 --> 00:38:54,430 I feel like he tries to guide people, tries to influence their actions if they 626 00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:58,870 work here. So I think, like, maybe he might influence people to, like, you 627 00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:00,270 clean that table. 628 00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:06,150 But if they don't do what he wants, he can lash out. 629 00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:08,630 So that's interesting. 630 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,900 So Nancy, I got to tell you, this is a great old school diner. It reminds me of 631 00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,720 me growing up in Brooklyn. It just has that look to it and that feel. 632 00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,060 How long have you owned the place? 633 00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:26,900 My family's had it for over 30 years. 634 00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:28,460 How important is this place to you? 635 00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:30,100 It's everything to me. 636 00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,540 It's part of my family. 637 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,780 Chelsea at the hotel says you have paranormal activity here. 638 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,600 Yes. So do me a favor and tell me about what you're experiencing. 639 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,700 Well, one of the first things... 640 00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:44,910 That happened, I was in the basement, and there was someone sweeping. 641 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:47,110 I could see the full motion of it. 642 00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:48,850 Okay, so an operational issue. 643 00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:53,010 Absolutely, because when I turned around, thinking I was going to talk to 644 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,190 -worker, there was no one there. 645 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:56,810 Was there anything else? 646 00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:04,310 I was rolling silverware right there, nobody near me, and I felt on 647 00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:08,950 my shoulder, two tap, and I looked. 648 00:40:09,550 --> 00:40:15,250 And I looked, and I literally turned a circle because I could not, I have 649 00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,770 goosebumps. I couldn't, there was nobody there. 650 00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,290 That kind of freaked you out, I could tell. Oh, yeah. 651 00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:23,790 And it couldn't have been two drops of heavy water coming? No. 652 00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:25,650 Okay. No, no. 653 00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:27,390 And that's why I tapped you. 654 00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:30,830 I was tapped. 655 00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:34,410 So if something could do that, what else could it do? Exactly. 656 00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:38,470 It kind of made me realize that. 657 00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:41,870 There's a lot more here than I knew. 658 00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:47,170 That thing is here. 659 00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:49,090 That thing and that man. 660 00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:53,390 What are you talking about? The alien thing and the other dude. 661 00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:55,350 The flat -looking shadow guy. 662 00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,050 Okay, they're trying to pull me outside. 663 00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:59,370 Okay, okay. 664 00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:00,670 It's all about them. 665 00:41:03,110 --> 00:41:05,070 I'm seeing another dead person in here. 666 00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:06,590 He's a big guy. 667 00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:09,310 So I guess his name is Bill. 668 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:12,670 I kind of feel like at some point he owned this place. 669 00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:21,330 He'll come up and start talking to people, living people. 670 00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:25,070 He does tend to move things about. 671 00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:28,050 He's pretty good at that. 672 00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:29,830 So that's not good. 673 00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:46,890 This is the first time we've investigated an entire town. 674 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:50,210 Obviously, I'm not going to be able to find out everything that's ever happened 675 00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:54,190 here. So I thought I'd start by getting an overview of Flagstaff's history. 676 00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:58,390 I'm meeting a local historian who told me the city has always been plagued by 677 00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:59,670 tragedy and bloodshed. 678 00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:08,010 So, Dre, thanks for coming out and meeting with me. I appreciate that. 679 00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:09,410 And this is Arizona. 680 00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:13,490 We all got to assume Native American history is pretty big here. Absolutely. 681 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,300 So let me ask you a question. When did the white settlers get here? 682 00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:21,980 Around 1840s is when those settlers started kind of coming into the region. 683 00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,180 Okay. So obviously the tribes get driven out. What happened? 684 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,000 So from about 1861 to 1875, that 14 -year period becomes 685 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,240 what's known as the Yavapai Wars, and that's the U .S. Army coming in and 686 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:42,380 kicking out most of the native tribes here, relocating them, making room for 687 00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:43,460 white settlers to come in. 688 00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:46,400 Okay, so it had to be pretty brutal, I assume. 689 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:53,360 Ultimately, in 1875, February 27th becomes what's known as Exodus Day, and 690 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,840 that begins the Apache Trail of Tears, where they force out around 1 ,400 691 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:05,100 peoples, marching them 200 miles across a winter desert, beating them with 692 00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:09,600 whips, with chains. They don't want to go. They leave them to die on the side 693 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,560 the road. So basically, it's a death march. 694 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200 So how many died out of that 14 and change? 695 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,960 Roughly 375 people lost their lives. Wow, that's like almost a third, right? 696 00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:20,620 Jeez. Right around there. 697 00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,460 I am seeing one single Native American male. He has one feather, and behind 698 00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:31,840 him are all shadow figures. 699 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,760 He indicates that they're all women and children. 700 00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:37,560 He says they are buried in the ground. 701 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,920 He says we need help. 702 00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:46,690 Okay, so now the Native Americans are forced out. What happens next? 703 00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:51,950 So around 1876, settlers start coming to the area, but the town would never 704 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:56,570 really flourish until the railway was actually established, just cutting right 705 00:43:56,570 --> 00:44:01,390 through the middle of town in the early 1880s. But that came at a cost of its 706 00:44:01,390 --> 00:44:03,050 own. Okay, so what do you mean by that? 707 00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:06,110 Well, you know, many different accidents happened. 708 00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,110 The worst happened in the summer of 1881 when some blasting powder actually went 709 00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:14,830 off prematurely. Okay, so how bad was this blast? 710 00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:19,670 According to the article, actually, I have here, seven people died and three 711 00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:24,830 people were maimed. They say that body parts were actually raining down from 712 00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:25,830 sky when that happened. 713 00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:30,530 So when you said on the phone that this town is plagued with bloodshed and 714 00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:31,530 tragedy, you weren't kidding. 715 00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:33,590 Unfortunately not. 716 00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:39,670 I don't like this. 717 00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:47,050 There's a bunch of men down there, and they're in a lot of pain. 718 00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:50,710 Damn, man, there's got to be at least 10 of them. 719 00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,670 They're laborers. 720 00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:54,250 They're hurting. 721 00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:58,130 1860, 1870. 722 00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:02,870 Maybe they all died. That's why they're all up. 723 00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:05,870 I think that the... 724 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,500 Living might have experiences with them. I think if they're around in that area, 725 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,600 they might feel a lot of the pain. 726 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,460 Just about any city is going to have its share of murders. 727 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,840 But it turns out that Flagstaff has a really violent past. 728 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,620 I'm on my way to meet a local true crime author who says she can prove it to me. 729 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:37,850 Now, Susan, you mentioned on the phone that you wrote a book about some 730 00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:39,610 homicides in town. Tell me about that. 731 00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:43,990 That was one of the saddest chapters in Flagstaff's history. 732 00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:46,010 1937. 733 00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,530 Happened just down the street from the Orpheum. 734 00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:52,490 So I did a lot of interviews there yesterday. People having a lot of 735 00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:53,490 with paranormal activity. 736 00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:56,270 So who were the players in this murder? 737 00:45:56,810 --> 00:45:58,690 That would have been the Walkup family. 738 00:45:59,150 --> 00:46:02,650 Marie Walkup, 32 -year -old mother of four children. 739 00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:07,900 Okay. And her husband, J .D., woke up, a politician and a man about town. 740 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,380 Okay, so what happened? 741 00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:14,720 It was July 22, 1937. J .D. was down in Phoenix. 742 00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:19,280 Sometime that night, Marie woke up, went into the bedrooms of her children, 743 00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:24,620 taken an ice pick and stabbed each one in the heart and then strangled them. 744 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:29,060 After that, she washed their bodies and put them back in bed and pulled the 745 00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:30,260 covers up to their chins. 746 00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,700 How old were these kids? 747 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800 Well, here are their death certificates. 748 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:42,140 Daniel was 10, Rose was 7, John was 4 1⁄2, and Elizabeth was 749 00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:43,320 about 18 months. 750 00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:46,860 All right, any idea what would cause her to do this? 751 00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:51,580 Well, everybody has a different theory. It does seem like she might have had 752 00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:53,540 some depression. She was isolated. 753 00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:57,660 Her husband was gone quite a bit at the time, and she had four children. 754 00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:00,640 And sometime that night, Maria woke up. 755 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:05,120 Sat in her house, took a pen to paper, and wrote four notes. 756 00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:09,420 One of those notes was to her husband. It was printed in the paper the next 757 00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:15,580 And it said, because of my lack of discipline, the children are better off 758 00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:16,580 this way. 759 00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:18,980 Only grief would come to them. 760 00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:21,820 You are strong in faith, never doubting. 761 00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:26,480 Mercy, mercy to my people. I have loved you, and I have failed. 762 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,880 All right, so now we've got four dead kids, babies. 763 00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:32,110 in the home. What happens with her? 764 00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:37,090 Well, she went into the closet. She got her husband's old army rifle, laid the 765 00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:41,750 gun up with the muzzle against her chest, and used her big toe to pull the 766 00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:43,590 trigger and shot herself. 767 00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:46,410 There's an article about it. 768 00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:50,870 All right, so she wasn't of sound mind, this woman, obviously. 769 00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:55,550 To this day, this is one of the most disturbing murders in Flagstaff's 770 00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:02,260 That woman who's dressed like a bride is wandering around in here. 771 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,200 She says she died a long time ago. 772 00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:11,940 I hear 20s, but I don't know if that's her age or the year around she died. 773 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,620 I kind of want to say suicide. 774 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,180 I kind of got the feeling that she was kind of being forced to live not 775 00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:23,560 how she wanted to. 776 00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:29,140 Like she wanted to be like free, you know, footloose and fancy free. And that 777 00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:30,140 wasn't going to happen. 778 00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:34,920 She doesn't like people in the space. Any reason? She feels like it's hers and 779 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,660 she should be here and they shouldn't. 780 00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:54,820 Everyone out here is seeing and hearing strange stuff. Now, to me, everything 781 00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:55,820 isn't paranormal. 782 00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:00,160 Flagstaff is a mountain town. It's 7 ,000 feet above sea level. 783 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,820 Trust me, I feel it every morning I'm here. 784 00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:07,320 Now, from what I've been reading, mountain climbers sometimes get 785 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,320 from thin air. 786 00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:10,420 So I'm wondering if that's what's happening here. 787 00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:15,320 I'm heading over to a doctor who specializes in altitude sickness, and 788 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,580 going to put my theory to the test. 789 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,160 Well, Dr. Backus, I appreciate you helping me out and meeting with me. So 790 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,700 investigation in town, I'm coming across a ton of people that are hearing things 791 00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:35,580 and seeing things. Now, this altitude is kicking my ass. Is it possible this 792 00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:39,100 altitude could cause people to see things or hear things that aren't there? 793 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:44,500 Yes. There are reports of mountain climbers who talk to people that aren't 794 00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,380 there. Besides the hallucinations, are there any other side effects? 795 00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:51,080 Dizziness. Okay. It happens. And then it could be confusion. 796 00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:54,490 Okay, I've been here a few days, and I'm having a couple of those myself. 797 00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:59,550 Yes. So, Doctor, I brought some witnesses that I've spoken to who have 798 00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:00,790 seeing things and hearing things. 799 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:04,810 So I understand you can run a test to see if they're getting hallucinations 800 00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:05,569 the altitude. 801 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:06,570 Yes. 802 00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:11,730 The three test subjects will be breathing in and out of this altitude 803 00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:16,530 We'll start them at 12 ,000 feet, and if they're handling it well, we'll move 804 00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:18,110 them up to 17 ,000 feet. 805 00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:20,890 This is your blood oxygen. This is your heart rate. 806 00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:23,530 The first thing we'll test is motor skills. 807 00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:30,470 Then 808 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:37,330 we'll test 809 00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:38,430 their cognitive abilities. 810 00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:42,550 Using flashcards, we'll see if they're able to select the word green. 811 00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:50,530 Next, we'll see if they might be having hallucinations. 812 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,230 I'll present them with a mix of real people and mannequins. 813 00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:59,150 I'll ask them how many humans they see. 814 00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:06,230 All of them got it wrong. 815 00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:10,470 Okay, so how'd these tests go? 816 00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:13,490 Surprisingly, with motor skills, all three did well. 817 00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:15,750 Okay, so what about the second test? 818 00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:19,690 For the cognitive skills, two passed and one failed. 819 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,960 So what about that last perception test you did? Well, the perception, I was 820 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,260 surprised. All three failed. They couldn't tell the difference between the 821 00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:29,440 humans and the mannequins. 822 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,480 All right, so is it possible from that last test you did that they're not 823 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,600 paranormal experiences and it is the altitude? 824 00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:41,260 No. The altitude here is 7 ,000 feet. Okay. And two of the guys, they had to 825 00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:44,880 to 22 ,000 feet for the changes to take place. 826 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,160 Wow, that's high. 827 00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,180 Yes. So the tourists... 828 00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:52,110 They think they're having paranormal experiences, but it might just be the 829 00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:56,250 altitude. Yes. But people that have lived here and are acclimated, there's 830 00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:57,250 way they're hallucinating. 831 00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:59,050 No. Okay. 832 00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:04,230 This alien thing goes all over town. 833 00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:12,110 It's a bit unusual to have an alien thing running around, 834 00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:16,850 either in people's dreams or in their day -to -day activities. 835 00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:22,240 Telling them or showing them like this or that's going to happen. 836 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,260 This alien thing can change forms and people can see it in a bunch of 837 00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:32,200 ways. Do you have any idea why it shows itself in different forms to different 838 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,220 people? For those who can see this thing, it would come through as 839 00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:39,760 that's positive to that person. 840 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,060 I saw a lot of strange things on my two walks, but three really stood out. 841 00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:53,280 First, the flat -looking shadow guy. 842 00:52:53,860 --> 00:53:00,020 This man was super wrinkled, super, super thin, little kind of baby nose, 843 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,740 baby lips. 844 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,500 So the hair is a lot thinner. It's very wispy. 845 00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:16,010 Next, I described a woman who's dressed like a bride tormenting someone on stage 846 00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:17,010 at the theater. 847 00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:21,910 On the stage is like one of the workers. 848 00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:24,850 He was wearing a black shirt with short sleeves. 849 00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:29,510 There's a female who's in a wedding dress. 850 00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:33,550 She's on his back. Her legs are over both of his shoulders. 851 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,090 Describe her expression. 852 00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:40,610 Her mouth like grew really big and she had like all these jagged, sharp teeth. 853 00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:41,670 Like she was like. 854 00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:46,520 Finally, I described the angry man in the theater turning himself into a huge 855 00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,520 shadow. 856 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,120 There was a male. 857 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:56,080 I saw his hands like up in front of him like, whoa. And he sees this 858 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,220 huge shadow figure. 859 00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,420 Definitely a male, you could tell. 860 00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:05,600 Ridiculously broad shoulders because this guy is like really trying to 861 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,660 intimidate this living guy. 862 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,860 Amy, is this what you saw? 863 00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:13,850 Yeah, that's what I thought. 864 00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:40,530 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 865 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,980 We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first 866 00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:46,980 time. 867 00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:51,760 So Amy, I want you to meet Joshua. He works at the visitor center in town and 868 00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,020 knows just about everybody here. 869 00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:55,020 This is Nancy. 870 00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:59,420 She owns and runs a local diner, and it's been in her family for over 30 871 00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:00,780 right? Right, 30 years. 872 00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:05,260 And this are the residents of Flagstaff. 873 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,520 Got too many to introduce you to, but you'll be hearing from some of them 874 00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,499 the night. 875 00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,320 Some people think that whatever's here is harmless, but others think it's 876 00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,320 dangerous for everybody. 877 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,580 One thing everybody agrees on, the place is haunted. 878 00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:22,860 They're looking forward to hearing what's here and what they can do about 879 00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:23,860 they can remain safe. 880 00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,540 So unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 881 00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:37,320 Before I talk about the entire town, I want to go over the biggest things I got 882 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,340 at the different locations I went into. 883 00:55:40,330 --> 00:55:47,310 The first building from the first night, I walked in and I actually encountered 884 00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:48,029 a male. 885 00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:50,210 He's extremely ADHD. 886 00:55:50,770 --> 00:55:55,310 So this guy was like talking nonstop, moving around nonstop, fussing with 887 00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:56,310 everything. 888 00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,430 When he's doing that, often he does move objects. 889 00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:03,150 Because of his energy, I got a really sharp headache. 890 00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:07,650 And I'm curious if anybody up in that area has. 891 00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:12,270 had that kind of experience as well with having sudden headaches. 892 00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:17,050 And he also tries to interact with people often. 893 00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:22,070 Because he's a very touchy -feely guy, I was curious if people had experience 894 00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:26,450 feeling like they're being touched on the back, on the arm, padded, things 895 00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:27,450 that. 896 00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:31,870 Well, that first location you went to was the crystal shop in town. 897 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:37,050 I know everything was covered up when you were there, but I want to show you 898 00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:38,050 what it looks like. 899 00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:39,270 When it's not covered up. 900 00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:42,030 Interesting. 901 00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:45,070 So I want you to meet the owner. 902 00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:48,010 It's Jessica. She's right there. Can you raise your hand, Jessica? 903 00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:52,670 Hi. I want to talk about some stuff we spoke about in our interview. 904 00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:56,690 So whenever I call on someone, just head to that table in the back with the 905 00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:57,690 microphone. 906 00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:59,390 Amy talked about the migraine. 907 00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:03,670 Can you tell Amy about your migraine? I never get migraines, ever. 908 00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:07,230 And right before you guys got here, for about two days. 909 00:57:07,690 --> 00:57:12,830 I was getting these really sharp migraines that would basically hit me as 910 00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:15,730 as I walked in the door, and then they started fading away when I left for the 911 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:16,730 day. 912 00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:21,610 She mentioned things getting moved around. We have stuff flying off the 913 00:57:21,610 --> 00:57:22,750 a weekly basis. 914 00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:27,890 We've also had experiences where it just looks like somebody just swept 915 00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:29,650 everything off of a shelf. 916 00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:33,250 Jordan, can you do me a favor? 917 00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:35,610 I'd like you to go up there. I want to talk about something. 918 00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:37,940 Jordan works at the crystal shop, too. 919 00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:41,700 Can you describe to Amy what happened when you were vacuuming and got tugged? 920 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,300 So I was vacuuming one night, and I went to pull it back, and it was like there 921 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:51,900 was resistance on the hose as if someone was holding it, so I couldn't vacuum. 922 00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:55,280 And there was nothing that it caught on, nothing like that? Yeah, it was over a 923 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,700 wood floor, so it's not like it was getting stuck on carpet. There were no 924 00:57:58,700 --> 00:57:59,618 in the tubing. 925 00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:00,700 You think that's that guy? 926 00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:02,020 Yeah. 927 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,280 Okay, so what else happened? 928 00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:13,920 The next walk night, I started right here in the theater. It was like 929 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,560 completely engulfed by rage, and it was coming from this dead guy. 930 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,640 He's extremely intense. 931 00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,620 He doesn't want to be disrespected or challenged in any way, shape, or form. 932 00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:32,360 I didn't particularly care for him, and I felt like it was a possibility that 933 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,620 people would potentially... 934 00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:38,000 Feel a sudden onset of panic back there. 935 00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:39,560 Is Lisa out here? 936 00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:41,220 So this is Lisa. 937 00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:43,620 She used to work here. Do me a favor. 938 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,980 Just tell her about what you were feeling in the back that time. 939 00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:49,620 My friend and I were here. 940 00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,520 We were hanging out with the band backstage after the show. And we were 941 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480 right between where the couches are and where the stage is. 942 00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,820 Yeah. And I was like, we need to go now. 943 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,600 We need to leave now. 944 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,120 You described it as what, impending doom? Yeah. 945 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,620 And then as soon as we did leave, I didn't have that feeling anymore. 946 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,760 Does he do anything else? 947 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,040 Yeah. 948 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,060 Then I was suddenly inside the body of a male, a living person. 949 00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:24,640 And whoever this guy is, the dead dude does not like him. And he comes in and 950 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:30,640 engulfs the entire room as like this huge black mass of a man trying to 951 00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,320 intimidate this living male. 952 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,740 I did have a sketch done of being inside that living male's body and seeing what 953 00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:39,740 he saw. 954 00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:49,020 Hmm. 955 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,320 That's interesting. 956 00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:53,000 So this is what he portrays himself as? 957 00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:54,220 Yeah, 958 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:55,640 take a look at that, guys. 959 00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,320 I have kind of cut chills all over my body right now. 960 01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:09,430 Joshua, I mean, you know there's some stuff going on here. Does it surprise 961 01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:11,110 Honestly, no. 962 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:12,450 It feels familiar. 963 01:00:13,770 --> 01:00:14,910 Hey, Susan, you here? 964 01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:17,150 There she is. 965 01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:20,150 Hi, I'm Susan with the Orpheum. 966 01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:26,010 Hi. So, Sue, when she talked about the shadows, you mentioned that to me. Do 967 01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:27,510 mind describing it to Amy for her? 968 01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:29,950 When I first started working here... 969 01:00:30,270 --> 01:00:34,810 Every so often when I would walk from the back, I felt like up in the 970 01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:40,290 I would see more of a shadowy mass not defined, and there was no interaction. 971 01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:42,250 You didn't get a good feeling off of it, though? 972 01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:44,470 No. That sound like him? 973 01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:46,030 Yes. 974 01:00:49,310 --> 01:00:50,770 Okay, so what's next? 975 01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:55,250 Then I'm walking up the street. 976 01:00:56,010 --> 01:01:00,630 And there's, like, a railing, so I just stopped and looked down. And there's, 977 01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:03,070 like, all these men who are being mistreated. 978 01:01:03,330 --> 01:01:06,330 And here's what that part of the walk looks like. 979 01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:11,510 I don't like this. 980 01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:19,050 There's a bunch of men down there, and they're in a lot of pain. 981 01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:22,730 Damn, man, there's got to be at least ten of them. 982 01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:24,530 They're laborers. 983 01:01:25,310 --> 01:01:26,310 They're hurting. 984 01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:29,350 1860, 1870. 985 01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:34,590 Maybe they all died. That's why they're all up, you know. 986 01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:40,570 So 10 dead laborers were mistreated around the 1870s. I think I have a 987 01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:41,570 good idea who you saw. 988 01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:46,390 Now, in 1876, Flagstaff began building a railway system, and there were quite a 989 01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:50,430 few accidents, but the worst one happened in 1881. That's when some black 990 01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:53,290 exploded while 10 men were building a tunnel. 991 01:01:54,050 --> 01:02:00,970 Seven of the men were killed and three were maimed. It was so bad, the expert 992 01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:04,430 I spoke to said that body parts were actually raining from the sky. 993 01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:09,190 Now, do you think those railway workers are who you might have seen? 994 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:10,510 Yeah. 995 01:02:13,810 --> 01:02:14,870 What happened next? 996 01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:17,670 So I went into the hotel. 997 01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:20,210 Lots of dead people. 998 01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:25,870 The first thing that I really noticed was hearing piano music, and it was 999 01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:26,808 from upstairs. 1000 01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:29,570 So I went up the stairs, and then there was this dead guy there. 1001 01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:36,010 Then I saw some women, and they were all like chit -chatting. 1002 01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:41,930 Then I went downstairs into, I don't know, a restaurant or something. 1003 01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:47,090 There was a guy there who used to be a business manager, I think he kept 1004 01:02:47,090 --> 01:02:52,460 himself. And this would have been maybe in the 30s or 40s. He was super solid as 1005 01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:58,600 well. The living may see him. And he does get annoyed when people are not 1006 01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,860 the proper thing. 1007 01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:02,960 So, Amy, the place is called the Weatherford Hotel. 1008 01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:05,840 You mentioned that the dead guy might get annoyed with the living. 1009 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,560 Now, I want you to meet Chelsea. She runs the place. 1010 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,880 Chelsea, tell Amy about the bottle flying. 1011 01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:15,760 In the same area down in the gopher hole, I was shining a glass. 1012 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,400 All of a sudden, another flute shot right in front of my face, hit the 1013 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,720 the back bar, and shattered. 1014 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,440 Another time, there is a shelf right above the bar. It's very flush. 1015 01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:32,860 There's no reason why anything would fall off of it, and the bottle is 1016 01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:38,380 tucked back towards the wall area, and it had fallen over, and it almost hit 1017 01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:40,340 server, which was there probably a minute before. 1018 01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:43,940 Oop. 1019 01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:45,340 See it? Uh -huh. 1020 01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:48,320 So the dead businessman, do you think that's the one that threw the bottle? 1021 01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:52,760 Yeah. That's the most active place I walked tonight. 1022 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,140 Wow. The hotel. 1023 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,300 Okay, so what's next? 1024 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,860 So then I left, and I went to the diner. And there was only one dead guy that I 1025 01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:07,660 met. Very, very present. 1026 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,960 Very solid. 1027 01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:11,340 I got that his name was something like Bill. 1028 01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:14,510 And I think he may have owned the business at some point. 1029 01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:16,730 She does tend to move things around. 1030 01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:21,650 So going through the deeds for your place, I found that your diner was the 1031 01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:24,290 Knowles Bakery from 1927 to 1970. 1032 01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:29,270 The guy who ran it from the 50s until it closed was Bob Knowles. Ah. 1033 01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:32,170 Now you said he moves things around. 1034 01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:38,310 Nancy, I want you to tell Amy about the sweeper. I was in the basement of the 1035 01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:39,890 diner and I... 1036 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,980 I felt someone behind me sweeping the floor, and I could see the motion of it, 1037 01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:48,480 and I turned around to talk to them, and there was nobody there. 1038 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,120 Have you seen any of the movements? 1039 01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:52,840 I've seen things. We've had things move. 1040 01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:56,140 It's impossible for you to be this formal guy that only plays Bob Knowles? 1041 01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:58,340 Yeah. It's his place. 1042 01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:01,060 You're cool with him staying, right? 1043 01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:07,100 I mean, because he really wants to stay. 1044 01:05:22,990 --> 01:05:29,150 Now I'm going to talk about things that kind of affect the entire town. 1045 01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:33,610 There are three things. 1046 01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:39,350 I'll start off with the dead woman. I called her the bride because she's 1047 01:05:39,350 --> 01:05:46,070 a wedding dress. And she was on both of my walks. And she does travel around. 1048 01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:47,950 But her favorite place is here. 1049 01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:52,350 The problem with her is that she can jump people. 1050 01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:58,900 That is not good because the person can lose control for seconds to minutes over 1051 01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:04,780 their body. And when she gets annoyed, she'll screw things up with electricity. 1052 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,300 She's really good at that. 1053 01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,040 So we'll start with the electricity. 1054 01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,240 Susan, can you explain to Amy what's going on? 1055 01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:18,340 I would come in once every week and two very high up lights in our lighting 1056 01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:19,420 tracks would be on. 1057 01:06:21,290 --> 01:06:23,630 They're not lights that you can turn on with a switch. 1058 01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:28,170 And I would bring in my production guys, have them look at it, and no 1059 01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:29,170 explanation. 1060 01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:31,610 Now, Amy, you mentioned she could jump people. 1061 01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:36,410 Lisa, remember when we discussed about people not acting the way they should? 1062 01:06:36,550 --> 01:06:42,230 Yeah. Tell that to Amy. I have seen and experienced people doing things that I 1063 01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:46,510 would not think is in their character and very bad things. 1064 01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:48,250 Can I have one example? 1065 01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:50,190 Sure. I mean, I can give two. 1066 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,940 and both have to do with people that I worked with stabbing other people. 1067 01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,300 So is that something that could be tied into her jumping people? 1068 01:06:58,580 --> 01:06:59,580 Yes, yes. 1069 01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:03,120 So this bride, does she do anything else? 1070 01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,160 She really likes it up here, and this is what I got. 1071 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:16,360 So I'm getting that she causes a lot of problems with people on the stage. 1072 01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,660 She's very upset. 1073 01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,560 She doesn't want to go anywhere. 1074 01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,300 She likes it here. 1075 01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:26,540 She does a lot of bad things here. 1076 01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:34,260 She is climbing on their backs. I wonder if they feel literally a 1077 01:07:34,260 --> 01:07:41,120 weight on their shoulders all of a sudden, feeling like something really 1078 01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,240 slammed onto them. 1079 01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:45,440 And I had a sketch done of what I saw. 1080 01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:55,890 That's f***ed up. 1081 01:08:00,890 --> 01:08:03,510 Horrible. The legs over the shoulders. 1082 01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:07,470 I bet it's fully over, as you said. 1083 01:08:07,790 --> 01:08:08,790 That's f***ed up. 1084 01:08:10,070 --> 01:08:11,950 So, Amy, I brought Lisa back up. 1085 01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:16,689 I want her to talk about what I consider a violent incident. 1086 01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:20,330 So this was about ten years ago, and I work here. 1087 01:08:20,649 --> 01:08:22,149 I was about six months pregnant. 1088 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,000 Something pushed me from behind, and I kind of, like, slammed into one of the 1089 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000 high -top tables. 1090 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,460 Okay. She did demonstrate on me. 1091 01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:33,939 I'm the lightweight, obviously, we know. Yeah. And she gave me a jolt. 1092 01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:36,220 What are you thinking? 1093 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,620 It could be the woman. 1094 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,899 So you said there were three things, right? 1095 01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:46,720 Yeah. So what's the second? 1096 01:08:46,939 --> 01:08:52,080 This is where it gets a little different, so I... Initially, I was 1097 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,819 thing. This was never human, and it was not from this earth. 1098 01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,399 It's all over town. 1099 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:05,500 It's been here for an extremely long time. On the first night, when I was in 1100 01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:10,740 basement of the shop, I saw it coming and going down there through the wall. 1101 01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:15,740 it kind of travels around town underground, I guess. It can show itself 1102 01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:16,800 people in different ways. 1103 01:09:17,260 --> 01:09:18,540 I just want to get Ari up there. 1104 01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:20,149 Hi, I'm Ari. 1105 01:09:20,350 --> 01:09:21,410 I'm a Flagstaff local. 1106 01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:23,010 Didn't you tell me about a face? 1107 01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:28,090 Yeah, I was in the basement of the downtown diner, and in the corner of it, 1108 01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:34,630 saw a very gray, long, disheveled face. It had no body. It gave me a very 1109 01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:35,990 big sense of dread. 1110 01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:37,330 Here's the thing. 1111 01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:41,990 According to this thing, it's not trying to scare people. 1112 01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:47,170 It's trying to comfort them so it can give them information about the future. 1113 01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:52,069 I'm skeptical about it myself. 1114 01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:55,710 We've worked together more than 10 years now, and that's probably one of the 1115 01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:58,270 stranger things you've ever run into. Oh, yeah, yeah. 1116 01:09:59,830 --> 01:10:02,410 All right, so how would this affect regular people in town? 1117 01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:09,570 People would have really clear, you know, visions or hearing something 1118 01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:12,070 about a future event or something of that nature. 1119 01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:16,950 It's weird to me that you would say that the thing is giving us, like, glimpses 1120 01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:18,030 of the future because... 1121 01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:23,370 I've definitely had experiences where I've had a dream and it wasn't something 1122 01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:27,210 that happened to me in the past, but all of a sudden it became something that 1123 01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:28,750 came to fruition. 1124 01:10:29,150 --> 01:10:35,950 Oh. My concern was if it was, like, harming people in a way, but from what 1125 01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:37,930 you're saying, it wouldn't seem that way. 1126 01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:40,610 Anybody else dreaming? 1127 01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:46,650 My name is Kimberly, and I'm a Flagstaff local. 1128 01:11:12,639 --> 01:11:14,580 That's positive. I'm glad you found it. Yeah. 1129 01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:16,820 Well, now I'm reevaluating. 1130 01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:19,040 All right, maybe he's not a bad guy. 1131 01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,620 You guys know this town is 7 ,000 feet up, and it's killing me. 1132 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,440 I mean, I'm having a tough time here. 1133 01:11:25,780 --> 01:11:29,840 So I was actually reading about mountain climbers sometimes seeing apparitions 1134 01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,700 because they get disoriented from the low oxygen. 1135 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,880 So I got three townspeople who've seen weird stuff to take an altitude test. 1136 01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:42,340 We showed them a mix of humans and mannequins and asked them to identify 1137 01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:43,340 real people. 1138 01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:44,880 All of them got it wrong. 1139 01:11:45,260 --> 01:11:47,400 We were simulating a much higher altitude. 1140 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,900 So what the test proved is it's possible tourists are actually seeing things, 1141 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:57,380 but it just doesn't explain what the locals are experiencing because they're 1142 01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:58,380 adjusted to the altitude. 1143 01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,300 That's interesting, though. I like that study. That's cool. 1144 01:12:01,660 --> 01:12:06,940 So, Amy, you mentioned this thing goes through walkways down in the basement. 1145 01:12:06,940 --> 01:12:10,340 you should know there's a series of tunnels that run underneath the city. 1146 01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:13,960 have been a lot of weird rumors about what happened in these tunnels. 1147 01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:17,410 But I spoke to a woman who directed a documentary on the tunnels. 1148 01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:20,990 Now, she set the record straight. They were built in the 1880s. 1149 01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:25,290 The smaller ones were used to steam heat for the businesses downtown. 1150 01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:28,850 Now, the larger ones were used as passageways between the buildings. 1151 01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:31,490 These tunnels are a big part of Flagstaff Law. 1152 01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:36,270 I wanted to go check them out myself, but most of them are now boarded up. 1153 01:12:36,710 --> 01:12:37,710 Interesting. 1154 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,920 Now, you said there were three things that concern you in the town. We got the 1155 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,740 bride. We got the thing. What else? 1156 01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,960 I'm definitely worried about this guy. 1157 01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:55,160 He was super present on the first walk in the basement 1158 01:12:55,160 --> 01:13:00,180 of the shop. I got that he was one of the original owners of this land or 1159 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,980 The thing is, is that he still believes that this is his town. 1160 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,100 I put him maybe in the mid -1800s. 1161 01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:16,250 I heard a name like Jack, and I got that he, I think, died from some kind of 1162 01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:17,310 disease. 1163 01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:22,610 Okay, so what you're saying is making me think about one of the original owners 1164 01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:23,670 of Jessica's property. 1165 01:13:23,890 --> 01:13:28,010 His name wasn't Jack, but it's close. His name was James Vale. Oh, 1166 01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:31,630 Now, Karen, a local professor, told me about this story. 1167 01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:36,850 He started off in Flagstaff as a bartender at a saloon where Jessica's 1168 01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:37,849 sits now. 1169 01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:41,070 Vail was a pretty smart businessman and wound up owning the bar a few years 1170 01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:44,630 later. In the 1880s, he bought the building and added a brothel. 1171 01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:49,810 This is a photo of what that looked like back then. 1172 01:13:50,650 --> 01:13:54,730 So Vail was making so much money, he started buying property all over town 1173 01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:55,810 he used for cattle ranching. 1174 01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:57,670 We're talking about 1 ,300 acres. 1175 01:13:58,430 --> 01:14:02,890 But in 1905, Vail suffered a life -changing accident in one of his 1176 01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:05,990 He was run over by a wagon and nearly lost his life. 1177 01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:10,610 Vail never recovered, and he was crippled and in terrible pain. 1178 01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:13,070 Apparently, it was too much for him. 1179 01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:17,030 And on April 3rd, 1906, Vail put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger. 1180 01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:18,270 Oh, damn. 1181 01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:19,469 Yeah. 1182 01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:20,670 How old was he when he died? 1183 01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:22,990 Vail was 45 years old when he killed himself. 1184 01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:24,270 Really? Yeah. 1185 01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:28,750 Could James Vail be this bad guy you saw? Yeah, I mean, I see a lot of the 1186 01:14:28,750 --> 01:14:30,210 being, like, checked. 1187 01:14:30,730 --> 01:14:32,590 So you said you were worried about this guy, but why? 1188 01:14:32,890 --> 01:14:34,950 Well, he goes all over. 1189 01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:41,570 When he was alive, one of the things that I saw him doing was actually eating 1190 01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:42,570 human heart. 1191 01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:49,270 When I went into the basement, I saw him again, and he likes to be alone down 1192 01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:55,310 there. And he'll get really pissed when people invade his space. 1193 01:14:55,590 --> 01:15:02,270 He can push people. The living would see him as a flat -looking 1194 01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:03,510 shadow -type figure. 1195 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,660 When he's in this area, he likes to hang out down here, and he, like, plots and 1196 01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:16,720 plans. He's writing out names of people he hates, people he wants to do harm to. 1197 01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,500 That's what he does. He does that wide circle area, wide circle area. 1198 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040 And I think this might be one of the places. 1199 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:27,900 Now, let's talk about the basement. 1200 01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:33,440 Everyone at Jessica's store hates the basement, hates it down there. 1201 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,680 So, Jessica, do me a favor and describe the black shadow you saw in the 1202 01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,100 basement. So, I was walking, you know, from one end of the basement to the 1203 01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:50,180 other, and out of the corner of my eye, I saw, like, a big shadow that was kind 1204 01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:51,200 of, like, going by me. 1205 01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:55,440 This is Jordan, you remember, from before she works at the shop. 1206 01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:56,619 Hi. 1207 01:15:56,620 --> 01:16:01,220 When I was downstairs in the basement, there was a big black shadow right 1208 01:16:01,220 --> 01:16:05,700 me. It didn't feel humanoid to me, but it was a very threatening feeling. 1209 01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:07,220 Okay. 1210 01:16:07,740 --> 01:16:14,100 He does take people's energy and makes them sick. Some people that he hones in 1211 01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:17,780 on, he can follow them home and make them sicker. 1212 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:19,720 Where's Adeline? 1213 01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:22,480 I'm Adeline, and I work at the crystal shop as well. 1214 01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,780 Hi. Adeline, didn't you tell me you got sick down there? 1215 01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,800 Yeah, every now and again whenever I go downstairs, which is pretty frequent, 1216 01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:35,120 sometimes I get a feeling of just, like, dread in my stomach or just, like, 1217 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,460 something doesn't want me there. 1218 01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,940 Didn't you tell me your biggest fear was that something might follow you home? 1219 01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:44,000 Yeah, so I just get nervous that it would get, like, attached or something 1220 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,840 that. Should she be worried? 1221 01:16:47,660 --> 01:16:53,300 This guy, yeah, he can go places. He tends to, like, fixate on people who are 1222 01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:54,520 prone to illnesses. 1223 01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,660 So I also had a sketch done of what I saw. 1224 01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,920 Creepy looking son of a bitch. Take a look. 1225 01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:20,800 Very scary. 1226 01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,000 Yeah. 1227 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,660 And he's the one you said goes. 1228 01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:25,270 All around town? 1229 01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:26,890 Yeah, he likes to make people sick. 1230 01:17:29,210 --> 01:17:33,650 He definitely looks like some old mobile guy. 1231 01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:37,730 This reminds me of, like, kind of Scrooge. What does this guy want from 1232 01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:41,790 everybody in town? Everything he owns, he wants it back. I was actually seeing 1233 01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:47,170 these people, that he's writing down their names and going there, going 1234 01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:50,630 going to take them down, going to fuck them up. This makes me feel horrible. 1235 01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:53,350 I want to know my name's not on that paper. 1236 01:17:54,250 --> 01:17:58,410 And I want to know how can I be safe from being on that paper. 1237 01:18:17,550 --> 01:18:21,910 So I know everyone here is passionate about this city, and I can understand 1238 01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:23,110 Flagstaff is beautiful. 1239 01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,840 But after what we've heard tonight, there's clearly a problem. 1240 01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:30,680 So what's it going to take to make this place safe? For that, I'm going to turn 1241 01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,680 it over to Amy. 1242 01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,900 For the crystal shot, the first person I would really like to see moved on is 1243 01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:46,460 the ADHD guy. The best bet would be having a younger male medium, maybe in 1244 01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:51,940 early 20s, just so he can have a bond with that male. I think that would go 1245 01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:52,940 really smoothly. 1246 01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:58,650 Then we have this location with the angry male. 1247 01:18:59,210 --> 01:19:05,810 I believe that a motherly female type, who is a medium, would be 1248 01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:07,950 able to move him on. 1249 01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:14,690 As far as the laborers, honestly, they need some more time to kind of work out 1250 01:19:14,690 --> 01:19:19,090 their... I know it sucks because they are in a lot of pain, but they're not 1251 01:19:19,090 --> 01:19:20,690 completely aware that they're deceased. 1252 01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:22,510 So leave the 10 guys alone. 1253 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,120 They're working through things. 1254 01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:26,500 All right, so any advice for the hotel? 1255 01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:33,980 Upstairs, what would be really great is maybe having a couple of mediums come 1256 01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:39,700 through and sit down with these various dead who want to talk because there's a 1257 01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,680 lot of dead there who would love to tell their stories. 1258 01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:49,560 A lot of them, once they do that, will automatically be able to move on. 1259 01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:52,480 All right, now what about the guy at Nancy's Diner? 1260 01:19:52,940 --> 01:19:54,000 He's good to go? Oh, he's awesome. 1261 01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:56,260 I mean, I like him. 1262 01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,640 He's a good guy. 1263 01:19:58,940 --> 01:20:01,580 So you don't have to do anything more? He doesn't want to leave, and you're 1264 01:20:01,580 --> 01:20:02,620 cool, so that's good. 1265 01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:05,720 Okay, now how about the things that are affecting the whole town? 1266 01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:09,100 As far as the thing goes, is that okay? 1267 01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:14,880 Personally, I'm still on the fence about the whole thing. 1268 01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,040 But it seems to be positive. 1269 01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:25,250 So let's just monitor the situation, but we'll leave him alone for now. 1270 01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:27,270 Okay. What about the bride? 1271 01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:34,950 With the bride, who's potentially a big problem, I would like to 1272 01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:41,490 get kind of brutal with her and bring in a female demonologist who's going to 1273 01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:43,330 exercise her. 1274 01:20:45,190 --> 01:20:49,390 So any particular location for that, though? Here. This is her favorite spot. 1275 01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:50,650 Okay. 1276 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,240 Now the shadow guy seems to be the biggest issue. 1277 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:55,920 What are we going to do about him? 1278 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:03,680 I want to have a male demonologist and a 1279 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:08,700 shaman coming at him at the same time in the basement of the crystal place. 1280 01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:17,660 By going at him with both of these people, he will be contained and 1281 01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:26,310 It sounds like if the bride and the two guys are gone, things should be a little 1282 01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:27,310 better here. 1283 01:21:27,370 --> 01:21:28,370 Yeah, that'll be good. 1284 01:21:29,130 --> 01:21:31,570 So, Chelsea, you heard what Amy said. 1285 01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:33,270 You going to follow her advice at all? 1286 01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:34,730 Of course, yeah. 1287 01:21:34,850 --> 01:21:37,330 Okay. Jessica, you're the reason we're in town. 1288 01:21:37,570 --> 01:21:39,530 I mean, you called for help originally. 1289 01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:42,430 It seems like you got the most problems in that basement. 1290 01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:45,610 Yeah. Are you going to follow up with some of Amy's suggestions? 1291 01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:47,310 Well, absolutely. 1292 01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:49,830 Were you shocked at all or surprised by what you heard? Absolutely, yeah. 1293 01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:51,890 Yeah, I kind of floored, actually. 1294 01:21:55,450 --> 01:21:58,530 So, Susan, you got a couple of bad guys here. 1295 01:21:59,010 --> 01:22:01,270 Yeah, definitely a surprise, honestly. 1296 01:22:01,670 --> 01:22:04,810 And definitely worrisome on an energetic level. 1297 01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:08,590 Well, better to get her out of here before she causes a problem with a group 1298 01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:09,369 got here. 1299 01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:11,270 Yeah, it's not what we want to be known for. 1300 01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:12,510 That's for sure. 1301 01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:17,230 Well, some of you thought whatever she has is no big deal, and some of you 1302 01:22:17,230 --> 01:22:18,990 thought it was a problem. It could be dangerous. 1303 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,180 Obviously, it's a little bit of both, but more dangerous than we thought. 1304 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,540 But now we've got a game plan. Hopefully, you guys will go through with 1305 01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:30,840 So we appreciate you allowing us to come into town and doing this investigation. 1306 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,320 I hope everybody's happy with it. 1307 01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:33,540 Yeah. Yeah. 1308 01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:37,060 Thank you so much for having us, and hopefully things will work out. 1309 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,640 This was a very unique case. 1310 01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,340 Steve and I have never investigated an entire town before. 1311 01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:48,920 But I was glad we were able to give the people of Flagstaff some good news. 1312 01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:54,130 If they follow my advice, this town will be a lot safer for the people who live, 1313 01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:55,450 work, and visit here. 117521

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