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He's writing out names of people he
hates.
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He does follow people home and he makes
people sick.
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Every single person that I have working
for me right now has had something
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happen. I just worry that it could
follow me home, hurt someone I love.
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He can go anywhere to anyone at any
time.
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Not good.
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If you're okay with it, maybe we expand
our investigation and do another walk.
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I'm seeing skeletons.
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They're stacked on top of each other.
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Body parts were actually raining down
from the sky.
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One of the things that I saw him doing
was actually eating a human heart.
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He still believes that this is his town.
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He wants it back.
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He wants the person dead.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people.
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I saw a winged creature.
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I speak to dead people, and they speak
to me.
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This person feels like a monster.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They are sucking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve Bischoff. I'm a retired New
York City homicide detective.
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So how many bodies are we talking? And I
know every person, every house, has
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secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But
Steve and I never speak. We never
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communicate during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I'm not going to like this.
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When we uncover if it's safe for you to
stay. I'm sorry, I need to take a break.
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Or time to get out. It wants inside the
house because it wants to kill you.
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Amy and I got called into Flagstaff a
couple of weeks ago to help a business
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that was struggling with the paranormal.
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Little did we know at the time that the
entire freaking town was haunted.
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So we decided to stay and expand our
investigation and for the first time try
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help an entire city.
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Tonight you'll find out what's really
going on in your town and what you can
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about it.
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But first we're going to start from the
very beginning from when Amy and I first
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got here.
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I got a desperate call from a woman
named Jessica who runs a crystal shop
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been in her family for three
generations.
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But now she's scared.
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Scared for her employees, her customers,
and herself.
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It's gotten really bad.
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Every single one of my employees has a
story.
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I'm afraid that everything is going to
get worse.
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Now she told me activity's gotten so
bad, if we can't help, she may have to
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the place down.
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I hope A .B. and I can figure out how to
fix it.
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I see this dead woman.
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She is wearing a bride dress and a long
veil.
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We start holding hands.
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And then she jumps up on my back and she
gets all evil looking. And I'm like,
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oh, damn. I'm like, she's with people.
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So she's not all good.
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So, Jessica, this is a really nice shop
you got here in a great little town.
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What the hell's going on? You didn't
sound good on the phone when we spoke.
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We've just been having way too many
things happening, and now my staff is
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scared. So I can imagine you're probably
worried about your customers as well.
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Absolutely. And there's a lot of very
fragile, sharp things in the store, so
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definitely worried about their safety,
too.
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All your employees having experiences,
or is it just you?
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Every single person that I have working
for me right now has had something
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happen. What part of the store is the
worst for your employees and yourself?
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I'd definitely say it's the basement.
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Okay. It always feels really creepy down
there. There is a series of tunnels
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that kind of connects all of downtown.
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Really? That also connects to our
basement.
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Tunnels? Mm -hmm. That's interesting.
That's something I'm going to look into.
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All right, so let's start with basics.
How long do you own the shop?
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It's been in my family for 35 years. I
was raised in the store, raised with
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business, so it's part of who I am. You
know, I have two young kids. I want them
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to feel like they're safe in here as
well.
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Okay.
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So if you can, give me a list of what
you guys are experiencing.
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Footsteps and voices.
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We have things flying off the shelf.
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We always feel like we're being watched,
and we're seeing apparition.
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Are you having experiences anyplace else
but the shop?
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I have experiences pretty much
everywhere in Flagstaff.
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Okay, that's interesting.
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Have you ever tried to bring somebody in
to try to get rid of what's here? No,
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but I do some of my own things.
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Like what? Every single time I walk in
that door, I kind of say out into the
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space, please leave me alone.
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I also do some smudging with White Sage.
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Has the smudging and you talking out
loud helped?
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No. What are you hoping we can do for
you?
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I really want to know what's here.
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why they're here and essentially how to
either get rid of them or at least
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appease them so that they aren't
harassing my staff on a daily basis.
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I'm seeing this flat -looking shadow
guy.
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He's extremely tall, very wide.
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He's got a hat and a suit, very flat,
flat against a wall, all shadow.
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And he truly, absolutely feels he's
untouchable.
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He came and took everything from
everyone.
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He hurt and harmed so many. I think
people have been trying to get rid of
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for a long time, and ain't nothing
worked.
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He's like kind of losing his humanity at
this point.
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This is strange.
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I see him eating something.
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He's eating a human heart, and it was
apparently Native American.
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He can go anywhere to anyone at any
time.
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Not good.
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What's going on here?
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Well, our basement is right back there.
Okay. And it's where most of us see
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apparitions or shadow figures.
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The shadow figures, can you describe
what it looks like? It doesn't really
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any shape. It just looks like something
black moving in my peripheral vision. Do
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you have any windows in the basements
from the outside? No. All right, so
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can be cast in the shadow from outside?
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No. Okay, so anything else? Sometimes
merchandise just flies off the shelf.
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So I got to ask you, I felt when those
trains went by here, it's right across
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the street. Is it possible the trains
causing some of the stuff to fall off?
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No, I mean, this building is old, but it
doesn't shake when the trains go by.
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Okay, so anything else?
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I never get migraines, ever.
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And when I've been coming into the store
these last couple of days, it's just
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been these pulsing migraines that don't
go away unless I leave the building.
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Interesting, okay.
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You can get out of this investigation.
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It's a family business.
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This business means the world to me, to
my parents, and I really would love to
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be able to pass this business on to my
kids and that I feel safe to pass it on
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to them so that we can continue this for
as many generations as we can do it.
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There's a guy.
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He seems to be recent.
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And so I think that he used to work
here. He's very like ADHD.
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It's kind of like all over the place.
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He's making my head hurt too.
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I'm getting like really sharp head pain
with him.
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And I think the living, they could get
headaches in this area. And also they've
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become very scattered up in this area.
Like they couldn't, can't focus, can't
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keep track of their thoughts.
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People would get very drained around
him.
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He does do a lot of physical stuff in
here. He's, like, into stuff. He's,
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messing with things.
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It's almost like he's trying to, like,
interact with people. They might feel,
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like, pats or pressure on their back,
shoulders, arms, which I guess would
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them out.
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So, Brittany, how long have you been
working here?
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On and off for the past three years.
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I was talking to Jessica, and it sounds
like you guys have a paranormal problem
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here. Do you agree with that? I would
agree with that.
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I feel like it's gotten worse over the
years.
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So are there experiences you could tell
me about?
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Yeah. I came in to open one morning, and
there was journals thrown across the
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floor off one of the shelves.
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Okay. I do have a picture of that,
actually.
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Looking at that photo, it seems pretty
aggressive. What do you think happened?
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I feel as though there is a ghost here
that is a man.
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Okay. And I think that he is the one
that throws things off the shelf.
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All right, what else can you tell me?
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The faucet turns on in the bathroom on
its own.
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Is it possible maybe a co -worker just
left it on by accident? Because I do it
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all the time. I don't think so.
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I've never had any of the girls leave
the faucet on.
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Does it freak you out?
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It scares me, yeah.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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The flat dude, I see him bothering
people around the bathroom.
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I'm, like, seeing women in the restroom.
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Very creepy.
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I don't know how they're experiencing
this.
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Like, I don't know if they're seeing
this shadow figure or if they're feeling
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anything on them.
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Like, I'm hearing the woman being like,
get out of here. Get out of here. Leave
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me alone.
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Leave me alone.
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Get out of here. Leave me alone.
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She's very angry. I see her hitting her
leg, and then she's saying, get out of
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here. Get out of here. Leave me alone.
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Leave me alone.
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So, Jordan, I was talking to Jessica,
who owns the place, and she was saying a
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lot of staff are pretty scared about the
stuff that's going on here.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely been kind of
an eerie place to work. We've all had
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experiences. So she mentioned this
basement in particular.
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Yeah. The basement is kind of where the
most of us don't want to be.
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Okay. So can you tell me about some of
the experiences you've had?
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So the other day I was vacuuming.
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And I went to go for it, and all of a
sudden it was stuck in place like
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was holding it from behind me.
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Can you show me how tough it was for you
to... Nice. Give me your arm.
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Oh. Okay, so it was pretty strong. It
was significantly, like, not moving.
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Sometimes the brush on the vacuum can
get stuck on the fibers in the rug. Was
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that what happened?
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Well, we do have carpet, but I was doing
the wood at this time. Okay, so... So
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it wasn't getting stuck.
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Okay, so anything else?
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When I was down here, I saw, like, the
reflection of, like, a shadow behind me.
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It felt very, like, engulfing, like,
just all around me.
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All right, you must have crapped
yourself. I was terrified when that
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What do you think whatever's here wants?
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It wants its face back. It wants maybe
even, like, revenge. It's just we're not
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welcome here by that particular spirit.
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Okay.
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I don't want to go down there.
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Okay. I don't honestly know why I'm
hesitant. I just felt oppressed.
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I don't like it, though. I don't like
it.
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The flat -looking shadow guy hates when
people come down here.
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He's malignant. He tries to cause
problems. Anybody he doesn't like,
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he tries to take them down.
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He can push people.
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And he's, like, pushing people to get
out of here.
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When he's in this area, he likes to hang
out down here. And he, like, plots and
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plans. He's writing out names of people
he hates, people he wants to do harm to.
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That's what he does. He does that wide
circle area, wide circle area.
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And I think this might be one of the
nicest.
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So, Adeline, Jessica was saying there's
a lot of paranormal activity in the
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shop. Now, do you agree with that? Yes,
for sure.
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Okay. So you've had experiences,
obviously, right?
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Mm -hmm. I just feel watched all the
time.
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How does it feel to you? What kind of
feeling is it?
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It's just like someone is boring their
eyes into the back of your head.
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It feels like someone wants me to know
that they're there.
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Okay. Is it an intimidating feel?
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Yes. It's very scary. It makes me not
want to be down here.
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All right, so is there anything else?
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Awful feeling of sickness that I get
when I'm down here.
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All right, describe the feeling for me.
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Where my heart drops to my stomach. It's
dread. It makes me feel like I'm going
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to throw up.
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So there's a lot of activity in this
place.
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Do you think it's possible somebody can
get hurt from it?
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I would just worry that if the spirit
did get angry, that it could follow me
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home, hurt someone I love, or just get
mad enough to the point where things get
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ugly.
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Okay.
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The flat -looking shadow guy did feel
like that people had seen him. You know,
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because when he's in the shadow form,
he's the big guy.
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He don't want to be bothered, and he
does get all psycho.
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I think he goes to other places that he
thinks he owns.
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He does follow people home, and he makes
people sick.
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And he will go home with them.
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He will make them sicker and sicker and
sicker.
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I don't feel good.
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So Jessica's business is in an older
building.
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Figured there had to be some history to
it. Turns out one of the original owners
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was a controversial guy.
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I'm heading over to meet a local
professor who tells me he lived fast,
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young, and made a lot of money and
enemies along the way.
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Well, Professor, thanks for helping me
out with this case. I appreciate it.
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Let's start at the top. What do we know
about this guy?
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So his name was James Bale, and he came
here from Ohio in the early 1880s. He
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was just in his 20s. And he ends up
becoming a bartender at the saloon
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located right on the same premises as
your client's business.
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So it was a saloon at one point, and he
worked there.
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Exactly. So now you mentioned on the
phone, Professor, that this kid made a
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of money.
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How did he do that bartending?
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Well, James Vail took a Campbell, and he
bought the saloon.
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And that went really well for a while
until a big tragedy broke out across the
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town. Okay, so the tragedy, what
happened?
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So in 1888, there was a huge fire across
Flagstaff, and so many of the buildings
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were made out of wood, and a lot of them
burned down, and James Vale's saloon
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was one of them. But he didn't give up,
and so he rebuilt the saloon out of
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brick. You can see it right here.
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The building looks a little different
now.
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Right, so some of the bricks were
stuccoed over in the 1930s. But it's
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bricks, though. Exactly.
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Wow, okay.
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I saw...
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Some fire, I think it's residual, this
place, it was much, much smaller.
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Some kind of like door way back in the
day.
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So in this area, I'm feeling like a lot
of this panic. I'm feeling, I'm hearing
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people yelling. And then I'm seeing like
the walls closing in.
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All right, so this James Vale kid.
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rebuilds his business after this tragic
fire. How's it go after that? He does a
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lot better after he adds a brothel to
the saloon as well. Okay. I'm sure that
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didn't go over well with some of the
conservative folks in town.
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But he does really well. He makes a lot
of money and is able to buy a lot of
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real estate around town, including a
cattle ranch.
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So now he's got a ranch and the bar and
the whole house.
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Okay. So now, Professor, you told me on
the phone this kid died young. I mean,
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what happened?
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Things start to go really bad in 1905.
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He's out on his ranch during the summer.
He's in a wagon, and he gets thrown
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from the wagon by his horses. He hits
the ground, breaks his leg, and so he's
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able to keep the leg, but he is
permanently disabled in a lot of pain.
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All right, so he's got this bad injury,
and he's disabled, but that's not what
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killed him, right?
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That's right. On April 3, 1906, he goes
downtown, buys a .45 revolver, buys some
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bullets. Okay. Returns back to his
ranch, and just before high noon, a shot
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rings out, and they find James Vail dead
with a bullet hole in the head.
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He was just 45 years old.
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Why would he kill himself?
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I think the pain was just too much for
him, and I don't think he saw a way out.
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Well, you know, when it comes to
suicide, nobody knows what's going
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people's heads.
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This flat -looking shadow guy is down
here a lot.
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Did you get a name on him?
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Something like Jack.
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I think this guy owned a lot around
here. And I think he did
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really bad.
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I think this might have been one of the
places he owned or land he owned
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originally. And I think he thinks he
still does.
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He wants it back.
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So far, I have a client who's worried
sick over the safety of her employees
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customers. on a property that was once
owned by a shady businessman who
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committed suicide.
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But I want to see if there's anything
else.
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Searching through old records, I find
out Jessica was right.
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There really are tunnels running beneath
downtown Flagstaff.
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In fact, they run right underneath her
shop.
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I'm heading over to meet a woman who
made a documentary about them.
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These tunnels are used as infrastructure
for the city.
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She tells me there are a lot of rumors
and myths about these tunnels, and she
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wants to set the record straight.
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So, Nikki, thanks for helping me out
with my investigation.
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These tunnels, I mean, what's the story
with them?
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They run throughout the downtown area
here in Flagstaff, and they connect
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several businesses to one another.
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All right, so when were they built?
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They were built actually in the late
1800s. Some of the tunnels were used as
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steam tunnels. They were only about two
to two and a half feet wide, and the
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steam would then heat the businesses
downtown.
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Okay, so now what were the other tunnels
used for?
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This is actually where it gets a little
bit interesting because some of the
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tunnels were used as passageways that
you could get from one business to the
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other. But there are actually a lot of
rumors around town of what actually went
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on down there.
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Okay, now you've piqued my interest.
Like what?
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There was actually a rumor of some
illegal card games, and any time the
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would come to raid it, the owner would
push a button and they would escape.
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Okay, so any evidence of that?
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That's really just a local myth, so
there's absolutely no evidence.
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All right, so these bigger tunnels, are
they being used at all?
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In the 90s, Flagstaff actually did a
renovation of the downtown area, which
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meant they sealed up a lot of the
tunnels. Okay. But some of them are
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still used today for utility purposes.
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All right, so what are the chances I can
get down there and see these tunnels?
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You actually can't get down there
anymore.
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It's actually pretty unsafe, so I
wouldn't recommend going down there.
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which makes sense.
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Well, I appreciate you helping me
because now I can tell a fact from
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when it comes to these tunnels.
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The flat shadow guy is not alone down
here.
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There's a really weird looking thing
with him.
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This is like they come and go through
here. They come and go through here.
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okay.
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There's like walkways or something.
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So there's somewhere they go there.
There's somewhere they go there.
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There's a lot going on down here.
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I'm also seeing, I am seeing bodies. I'm
seeing skeletons.
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Okay. And they're like stacked.
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They're stacked on top of each other.
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I'm, like, scared.
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Word got out that we're investigating
Jessica's crystal shop. Ever since then,
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my phone's been blowing up.
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A bunch of locals are begging to meet
with me.
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I've told them to meet me at a local bar
so they can tell me what the hell is
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going on in this town.
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I own Victorian Moon Antiques here in
downtown Flagstaff.
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So I know you wanted to talk to me about
some of the paranormal stuff that's
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going on.
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Yeah, I see shadow figures all the time.
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So where are you seeing these shadow
figures?
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I see them at my shop. I see them at
home.
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I see them around town.
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The next thing I knew...
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More and more people started telling me
they're seeing things they can't
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explain. I'm a bartender at one of the
breweries here in town.
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So, what are you experiencing?
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I'm seeing shadow figures around town.
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You getting any kind of vibe off these
shadow figures you're seeing?
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Um, well, it makes me anxious. A little
nervous.
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Feels like there could be some bad
intent behind it.
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Now, seeing shadow figures is one thing.
I get that a lot.
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But what this local saw really surprised
me. I was in the basement of the
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downtown diner, and I saw a head.
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Just a head?
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Just a head.
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And it was just kind of like a floating
head?
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Yeah. I didn't have any body.
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It had very, like, palish skin. It had
very long, dark hair. Very big head. And
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to me, it just had a very eerie, cold
presence to its face.
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So when you saw this large head, I mean,
did you freeze? What did you do? I
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looked at it, and I just ran away. I ran
right out of the diner. I freaked out.
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Okay.
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That strange looking thing from the
basement goes all over town.
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I'm trying to follow it.
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It's telling me it's here to help, but I
don't know if I believe it. Are people
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seeing this in any way?
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It can change into any form and has been
mistaken for other things.
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And then people are freaking out.
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A lot of panic.
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I spent the whole night at the bar with
one local after another coming by to
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tell their bizarre stories.
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I was at work once and the bathroom door
opened and slammed just completely on
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its own. So it really freaked me out.
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The more I heard, the more concerns I
got.
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I run a tour company in town. Ten years
ago, I was spending the night at one of
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the hotels downtown and I woke up in the
middle of the night feeling like I was
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being choked.
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It was just gasping for air, and I don't
have asthma or anything, and I just
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could not breathe.
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Did you think whatever it was was trying
to kill you?
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You know, I did.
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One thing is clear to me. Just about
everyone in Flagstaff is having
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experiences, and they're relieved to
finally get a chance to talk about it. I
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work at the local theater. So you have
experience you want to tell me about.
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What do you have?
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There's a dark energy at the theater in
the basement.
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So can you describe this feeling for me?
She feels angry, like we're not wanted
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there. So with all the activity that's
going on in town, do you think somebody
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can get hurt?
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I do.
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So that thing, he says he comes in here
and he's helping people.
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Well, he's helping people with the past,
the present, what's going on now.
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What kind of time frame are you talking
about? It says it's been here forever.
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It's not from the earth.
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Initially when I saw it, it was outside
in the stars. You know, I think it's
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pretty immense.
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So it's not just here?
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No. God, no.
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So does this thing operate on a global
scale?
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No.
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Just Flagstaff?
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No, it's just there for sure, yeah.
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We were called in to investigate
activity at a small family -run shop.
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But it sounds to me like the whole
freaking town is haunted.
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So I don't like doing it, but I've got
to break the rules this time.
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Hey, thanks for meeting with me. I
appreciate it. So, you know, I haven't
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protocol in years, but we came to do
this one location and people are coming
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to me one after the other after the
other, telling me how there's activity
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throughout the whole downtown.
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Yeah, I did get two things that might be
affecting the entire
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town. Really?
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Yeah. So I'm thinking if you're okay
with it, maybe we expand our
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and do another walk.
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Okay. You down with that? Yeah, I'm
absolutely open to doing that. Just be
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careful because it sounds like the whole
freaking place is haunted.
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And you never know what you're going to
come up against.
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As soon as Amy and I decided to expand
our investigation, I got a call from a
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guy who works at the Flagstaff Visitor
Center.
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He heard I had been talking to locals
about the paranormal activity and said I
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have no idea just how bad things are.
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So, Joshua, when we spoke on the phone,
you sounded pretty adamant about talking
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to me.
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What the hell's going on?
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We're getting all kinds of stories from
all the different locations that we send
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our visitors out to. And some people are
afraid to work in certain places.
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Some people may be afraid to come visit
us. I hope you can figure out what's
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here and what we can do to keep
everybody safe.
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Have you had experiences in town?
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I have had many experiences here in
town. You have? I have.
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At the visitor center, we have a
basement and an attic. It always feels
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someone's watching you.
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Okay, so anything else? We had an
employee at the visitor center report
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locked in the basement.
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So what do you think happened with this
lock?
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I myself many times have tried to debunk
how it would lock from the inside, and
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that door does not lock from the inside.
I believe something was holding the
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door closed.
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It scared me pretty good.
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It seems this entire town is haunted.
458
00:28:31,660 --> 00:28:35,940
Is there any other place in town that
sounds good to check out? A lot of
459
00:28:35,940 --> 00:28:37,700
out of the Orpheon Theater.
460
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,140
What are you hoping we could do for you?
When people come here and visit, we
461
00:28:42,140 --> 00:28:45,820
want them to be safe. You know, we
really want to make sure that when our
462
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:50,480
come, that we can send them out to these
places and there's nothing that's going
463
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,380
to attach to them or go home with them.
464
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,760
I saw two things on my first walk that I
believe are affecting the entire town.
465
00:29:09,180 --> 00:29:11,940
Tonight, I'm going to see if that's
really the case.
466
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:19,280
The same alien thing that I got on my
first walk showed up covered in leaves.
467
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840
The flat -looking shadow guy is out
here, too.
468
00:29:28,620 --> 00:29:29,940
What exactly does he want?
469
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:32,960
He wants his...
470
00:29:36,719 --> 00:29:38,320
What does that mean for the living?
471
00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:41,300
That he tries to get them out.
472
00:29:41,740 --> 00:29:44,320
So he wants to get everything back that
he had in life?
473
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Yes.
474
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,100
Well, Susan, thanks for meeting with me.
I appreciate that.
475
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,360
So this is a really cool venue you got
here. How old is this building?
476
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,940
So it was built in 1911.
477
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:07,300
Wow. Operated as a cinematic house, and
then in the winter of 1915, due to a
478
00:30:07,300 --> 00:30:11,200
huge snowstorm, the whole roof
collapsed, destroyed the building, and
479
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,440
to be rebuilt in 1917.
480
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,820
So I'm investigating paranormal activity
throughout the whole downtown area
481
00:30:17,820 --> 00:30:21,120
here. Spoke to Joshua, and he said you
guys are having issues as well. Is that
482
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,640
true? That is correct, yes.
483
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:27,800
Are there any experiences you can tell
me about? Yeah, I tend to see shadowy
484
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,360
figures from time to time.
485
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,180
I would see them up in the curtains and
then up into the balcony.
486
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Okay, what do they look like?
487
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,000
They look human -like, but more kind of
shadowy and moving quickly.
488
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,600
Okay, so anything else?
489
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Sometimes these lights up in the truck
would come on. By themselves?
490
00:30:44,540 --> 00:30:46,420
Yes. Do you think somebody broke in?
491
00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:50,000
No, because nobody would have known how
to turn them on.
492
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640
Okay. It's run through our computerized
lighting track.
493
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:55,120
So it seems everywhere I go, everybody's
had an experience.
494
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,590
I mean, it sounds like the whole... The
town is haunted. Do you think so?
495
00:30:58,830 --> 00:30:59,830
I definitely do.
496
00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:04,070
I mean, it has a long history, and I've
heard a lot of stories as well. So I do
497
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:06,630
think the town has a haunted history and
culture.
498
00:31:08,930 --> 00:31:11,250
I'm seeing that woman who's dressed like
a bride again.
499
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:17,650
Okay, so apparently she spends a lot of
time here. So I'm getting that she
500
00:31:17,650 --> 00:31:22,450
causes a lot of problems with people on
the stage.
501
00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:25,770
She's very upset.
502
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:29,590
She does a lot of bad things here.
503
00:31:30,430 --> 00:31:37,270
She is climbing on their backs. I wonder
if they feel literally a
504
00:31:37,270 --> 00:31:44,130
weight on their shoulders all of a
sudden, feeling like something really
505
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:50,150
slammed onto them. She can affect
electricity, and she'll do it on purpose
506
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:55,230
I think if people see her, they see her
white misty.
507
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:58,380
and all this kind of stuff. She kind of
wants this all to herself.
508
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:11,560
I understand you used to work here. I
worked in the concession stand at the
509
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,720
front of the building.
510
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,320
So I was talking to Susan that runs the
place.
511
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:17,980
She thinks there's a lot of activity
here. Do you agree with that?
512
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,739
I do.
513
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:22,700
I've definitely known a lot of people
who have had some kind of experience
514
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,780
Okay. And you as well? Me too, yes.
515
00:32:25,210 --> 00:32:28,850
I was about six months pregnant when I
was working here about ten years ago,
516
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:33,290
I was moving some stuff from one end of
the building to the other, and something
517
00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,570
pushed me from behind into a table.
518
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:38,590
Please tell me you didn't get hurt. I
mean, it hurt when it happened, but
519
00:32:38,590 --> 00:32:42,070
nothing happened to, you know, my
daughter was fine. Everything was good.
520
00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:45,210
Okay. Do me a favor and show me how hard
the push was.
521
00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:46,470
Okay.
522
00:32:47,890 --> 00:32:49,070
Oh. Sorry. Okay.
523
00:32:49,650 --> 00:32:53,590
When this happened, what did you do? I
ran outside and started crying.
524
00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:56,460
It felt like something was trying to
hurt me.
525
00:32:56,660 --> 00:32:59,200
So that was pretty frightening for you.
Yes. Okay, anything else?
526
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,500
Yeah, about a year and a half ago, I
came here to see a show. Okay. My friend
527
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:07,580
and I were able to go backstage, and as
soon as we got back there, I had this
528
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:10,680
feeling of we need to get out of here,
like impending doom.
529
00:33:11,100 --> 00:33:14,000
As soon as we left, I felt fine.
530
00:33:14,380 --> 00:33:16,460
Obviously, you feel there's paranormal
activity here.
531
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,520
Yes. I think the whole town's haunted.
532
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,020
How do you feel? I agree with you 100%.
And in that time, I've seen...
533
00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:27,330
People, good people, do bad things.
534
00:33:28,170 --> 00:33:32,150
So what you're saying is that the
paranormal in this town actually could
535
00:33:32,150 --> 00:33:32,989
influence people?
536
00:33:32,990 --> 00:33:35,310
Yeah, to do, like, evil things.
537
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:36,750
Okay.
538
00:33:44,130 --> 00:33:46,630
Ooh, there's some dead dude up in here.
539
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:49,090
Wow, he's pissed.
540
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:51,670
Okay. Ooh, lordy.
541
00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:54,820
With him in the living, it's not a great
thing.
542
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:00,800
They're feeling very anxious and very
panicked, but this is his anger. This is
543
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,320
how they're interpreting the anger.
544
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,020
I think people see him, but it's just
shadow figure, male shadow figure.
545
00:34:08,020 --> 00:34:11,179
big, though. He blows himself up, so he
gets really big.
546
00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:16,400
Also, you can't breathe around him.
547
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,900
That's something with his death. When he
was dying, he couldn't breathe.
548
00:34:22,019 --> 00:34:22,699
He's like...
549
00:34:22,699 --> 00:34:41,199
So
550
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:48,020
Sam, thanks for meeting with me. I
appreciate it. From what I
551
00:34:48,020 --> 00:34:50,300
understand, your hotel has activity
here.
552
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,860
But before we get to that, this is a
beautiful spot.
553
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:55,380
You are the owner, right?
554
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,139
Right. My husband and myself.
555
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,360
Assuming you know some history about the
place, what can you tell me?
556
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:07,080
It was built by John Weatherford as a
general store in 1897, and then he
557
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,080
it into a hotel in 1900.
558
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:13,080
John Weatherford also built the Orpheum
Theater next door.
559
00:35:13,380 --> 00:35:15,880
So I just came from there. So this guy
had a real mark on this town.
560
00:35:16,140 --> 00:35:17,058
Yeah.
561
00:35:17,060 --> 00:35:18,300
So let's get to the paranormal.
562
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:19,920
Have you had any experiences?
563
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:21,038
I have.
564
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:26,900
A gentleman stayed with us once and
wrote me and said that he got up in the
565
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:31,760
morning, looked through the window of
the ballroom, and he saw a waist -like
566
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,680
female -type character float across the
room.
567
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:38,320
Now, did you question the guy if it
could have been maybe a hotel guest or
568
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,940
something like that? I did. I wrote him
back, and it was too early in the
569
00:35:41,940 --> 00:35:44,080
morning. It couldn't even have been the
housekeeping.
570
00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:46,700
Okay, any other guest experiences you
could tell me about?
571
00:35:46,980 --> 00:35:48,420
Yes, a former employee.
572
00:35:49,210 --> 00:35:53,030
Uh that stayed with us said she woke up
in the middle of the night and had a
573
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:56,810
couple sitting on her bed It startled
her and before she knew it they got up
574
00:35:56,810 --> 00:36:01,190
they walked through the door through the
door through the door I mean, i'm a i'm
575
00:36:01,190 --> 00:36:03,550
a pretty hardcore guy. I think that
would scare the out of me
576
00:36:03,550 --> 00:36:10,470
There are a lot
577
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:15,770
of dead here I'm seeing this guy playing
the piano.
578
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:17,210
He was showing me
579
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:23,160
A girl that would hang out with him when
he would play the piano.
580
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,240
So they may hear females talking.
581
00:36:29,580 --> 00:36:31,420
Like, I'm just getting flashes of them.
582
00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:37,500
So possibly people would see like that,
these flashes, like, of these women.
583
00:36:44,860 --> 00:36:47,900
So, Chelsea, I understand you're the
general manager here.
584
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,640
I am. From what I've heard, this place
is kind of haunted.
585
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:54,480
Yeah, actually, growing up in this
building, there were two dead people I
586
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,480
all the time.
587
00:36:55,580 --> 00:36:56,580
Tell me about the first one.
588
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,380
Well, there was a girl by the name of
Matilda that I used to play with all the
589
00:37:00,380 --> 00:37:01,380
time upstairs.
590
00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,800
Okay. Was she nice to you? Did you guys
get along?
591
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:08,080
She was. She was a very light presence,
very kind.
592
00:37:08,380 --> 00:37:11,420
So what about the other one? His name
was Algernon, and he lived in the
593
00:37:11,420 --> 00:37:12,420
basement.
594
00:37:13,020 --> 00:37:15,960
He had a bit of a dark presence to him,
almost evil.
595
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,780
I knew there was something bad about
him. Did they move on, you think?
596
00:37:21,020 --> 00:37:22,020
No, they're definitely still here.
597
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,240
Why do you say that?
598
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:25,560
Right when we were reopening the gopher
hole.
599
00:37:25,780 --> 00:37:29,100
Okay. We were doing a lot of
construction down there. Okay. And we
600
00:37:29,100 --> 00:37:34,540
upset him. I was shining a glass, and
another one shot off the drink rack and
601
00:37:34,540 --> 00:37:38,420
hit a mirror right behind me, and I knew
that was him. This glass was directed
602
00:37:38,420 --> 00:37:39,058
at you?
603
00:37:39,060 --> 00:37:40,060
Right past my face.
604
00:37:40,340 --> 00:37:42,240
So did anything else like that ever
happen?
605
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,880
Actually, there is a bottle in this
actual room.
606
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:49,950
Okay. Right up there, and it fell off
the top of that ledge.
607
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:51,230
Did you see it fall?
608
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,770
From security cameras after the fact.
609
00:37:55,070 --> 00:37:56,850
Do you have that available for me to
look at?
610
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:58,050
I actually do.
611
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:07,750
Oh, jeez.
612
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:10,850
You're lucky somebody wasn't standing
there.
613
00:38:12,590 --> 00:38:15,130
So, Chelsea, let me ask you a question.
Anybody else you think I should talk to
614
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:16,270
about? What's going on here?
615
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:20,410
Well, you could talk to Nancy down the
street at the diner. And she's the
616
00:38:20,730 --> 00:38:21,730
She is. Okay.
617
00:38:22,350 --> 00:38:25,510
From what I could tell during my
investigation, it seems like this whole
618
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:26,530
haunted. Do you agree with that?
619
00:38:26,770 --> 00:38:29,210
I definitely do. I mean, it's the Wild
West.
620
00:38:29,470 --> 00:38:31,850
Yeah. There's a lot of history here in
Flagstaff.
621
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:36,830
There's one male who's here often.
622
00:38:37,090 --> 00:38:43,930
I think he was like some kind of manager
maybe in like the 1930s or 40s.
623
00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:45,130
I think people see him.
624
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:46,450
Because I think he does stuff.
625
00:38:48,690 --> 00:38:54,430
I feel like he tries to guide people,
tries to influence their actions if they
626
00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:58,870
work here. So I think, like, maybe he
might influence people to, like, you
627
00:38:58,870 --> 00:39:00,270
clean that table.
628
00:39:03,350 --> 00:39:06,150
But if they don't do what he wants, he
can lash out.
629
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:08,630
So that's interesting.
630
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:18,900
So Nancy, I got to tell you, this is a
great old school diner. It reminds me of
631
00:39:18,900 --> 00:39:21,720
me growing up in Brooklyn. It just has
that look to it and that feel.
632
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:24,060
How long have you owned the place?
633
00:39:24,620 --> 00:39:26,900
My family's had it for over 30 years.
634
00:39:27,140 --> 00:39:28,460
How important is this place to you?
635
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:30,100
It's everything to me.
636
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,540
It's part of my family.
637
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,780
Chelsea at the hotel says you have
paranormal activity here.
638
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,600
Yes. So do me a favor and tell me about
what you're experiencing.
639
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,700
Well, one of the first things...
640
00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:44,910
That happened, I was in the basement,
and there was someone sweeping.
641
00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:47,110
I could see the full motion of it.
642
00:39:47,410 --> 00:39:48,850
Okay, so an operational issue.
643
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:53,010
Absolutely, because when I turned
around, thinking I was going to talk to
644
00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:55,190
-worker, there was no one there.
645
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:56,810
Was there anything else?
646
00:39:57,330 --> 00:40:04,310
I was rolling silverware right there,
nobody near me, and I felt on
647
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:08,950
my shoulder, two tap, and I looked.
648
00:40:09,550 --> 00:40:15,250
And I looked, and I literally turned a
circle because I could not, I have
649
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,770
goosebumps. I couldn't, there was nobody
there.
650
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,290
That kind of freaked you out, I could
tell. Oh, yeah.
651
00:40:20,750 --> 00:40:23,790
And it couldn't have been two drops of
heavy water coming? No.
652
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:25,650
Okay. No, no.
653
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:27,390
And that's why I tapped you.
654
00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:30,830
I was tapped.
655
00:40:31,250 --> 00:40:34,410
So if something could do that, what else
could it do? Exactly.
656
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:38,470
It kind of made me realize that.
657
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:41,870
There's a lot more here than I knew.
658
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:47,170
That thing is here.
659
00:40:47,850 --> 00:40:49,090
That thing and that man.
660
00:40:49,570 --> 00:40:53,390
What are you talking about? The alien
thing and the other dude.
661
00:40:53,770 --> 00:40:55,350
The flat -looking shadow guy.
662
00:40:56,350 --> 00:40:58,050
Okay, they're trying to pull me outside.
663
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:59,370
Okay, okay.
664
00:40:59,430 --> 00:41:00,670
It's all about them.
665
00:41:03,110 --> 00:41:05,070
I'm seeing another dead person in here.
666
00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:06,590
He's a big guy.
667
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:09,310
So I guess his name is Bill.
668
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:12,670
I kind of feel like at some point he
owned this place.
669
00:41:17,130 --> 00:41:21,330
He'll come up and start talking to
people, living people.
670
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:25,070
He does tend to move things about.
671
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:28,050
He's pretty good at that.
672
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:29,830
So that's not good.
673
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:46,890
This is the first time we've
investigated an entire town.
674
00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:50,210
Obviously, I'm not going to be able to
find out everything that's ever happened
675
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:54,190
here. So I thought I'd start by getting
an overview of Flagstaff's history.
676
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:58,390
I'm meeting a local historian who told
me the city has always been plagued by
677
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:59,670
tragedy and bloodshed.
678
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:08,010
So, Dre, thanks for coming out and
meeting with me. I appreciate that.
679
00:42:08,330 --> 00:42:09,410
And this is Arizona.
680
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:13,490
We all got to assume Native American
history is pretty big here. Absolutely.
681
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,300
So let me ask you a question. When did
the white settlers get here?
682
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:21,980
Around 1840s is when those settlers
started kind of coming into the region.
683
00:42:22,260 --> 00:42:25,180
Okay. So obviously the tribes get driven
out. What happened?
684
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,000
So from about 1861 to 1875, that 14
-year period becomes
685
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:37,240
what's known as the Yavapai Wars, and
that's the U .S. Army coming in and
686
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:42,380
kicking out most of the native tribes
here, relocating them, making room for
687
00:42:42,380 --> 00:42:43,460
white settlers to come in.
688
00:42:44,060 --> 00:42:46,400
Okay, so it had to be pretty brutal, I
assume.
689
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:53,360
Ultimately, in 1875, February 27th
becomes what's known as Exodus Day, and
690
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,840
that begins the Apache Trail of Tears,
where they force out around 1 ,400
691
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:05,100
peoples, marching them 200 miles across
a winter desert, beating them with
692
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:09,600
whips, with chains. They don't want to
go. They leave them to die on the side
693
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,560
the road. So basically, it's a death
march.
694
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,200
So how many died out of that 14 and
change?
695
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,960
Roughly 375 people lost their lives.
Wow, that's like almost a third, right?
696
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:20,620
Jeez. Right around there.
697
00:43:23,740 --> 00:43:30,460
I am seeing one single Native American
male. He has one feather, and behind
698
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:31,840
him are all shadow figures.
699
00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,760
He indicates that they're all women and
children.
700
00:43:35,340 --> 00:43:37,560
He says they are buried in the ground.
701
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:39,920
He says we need help.
702
00:43:43,390 --> 00:43:46,690
Okay, so now the Native Americans are
forced out. What happens next?
703
00:43:47,090 --> 00:43:51,950
So around 1876, settlers start coming to
the area, but the town would never
704
00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:56,570
really flourish until the railway was
actually established, just cutting right
705
00:43:56,570 --> 00:44:01,390
through the middle of town in the early
1880s. But that came at a cost of its
706
00:44:01,390 --> 00:44:03,050
own. Okay, so what do you mean by that?
707
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:06,110
Well, you know, many different accidents
happened.
708
00:44:06,750 --> 00:44:12,110
The worst happened in the summer of 1881
when some blasting powder actually went
709
00:44:12,110 --> 00:44:14,830
off prematurely. Okay, so how bad was
this blast?
710
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:19,670
According to the article, actually, I
have here, seven people died and three
711
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:24,830
people were maimed. They say that body
parts were actually raining down from
712
00:44:24,830 --> 00:44:25,830
sky when that happened.
713
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:30,530
So when you said on the phone that this
town is plagued with bloodshed and
714
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:31,530
tragedy, you weren't kidding.
715
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:33,590
Unfortunately not.
716
00:44:38,670 --> 00:44:39,670
I don't like this.
717
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:47,050
There's a bunch of men down there, and
they're in a lot of pain.
718
00:44:48,290 --> 00:44:50,710
Damn, man, there's got to be at least 10
of them.
719
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:52,670
They're laborers.
720
00:44:53,250 --> 00:44:54,250
They're hurting.
721
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:58,130
1860, 1870.
722
00:45:00,510 --> 00:45:02,870
Maybe they all died. That's why they're
all up.
723
00:45:03,930 --> 00:45:05,870
I think that the...
724
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,500
Living might have experiences with them.
I think if they're around in that area,
725
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,600
they might feel a lot of the pain.
726
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,460
Just about any city is going to have its
share of murders.
727
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,840
But it turns out that Flagstaff has a
really violent past.
728
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,620
I'm on my way to meet a local true crime
author who says she can prove it to me.
729
00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:37,850
Now, Susan, you mentioned on the phone
that you wrote a book about some
730
00:45:37,850 --> 00:45:39,610
homicides in town. Tell me about that.
731
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:43,990
That was one of the saddest chapters in
Flagstaff's history.
732
00:45:45,010 --> 00:45:46,010
1937.
733
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,530
Happened just down the street from the
Orpheum.
734
00:45:48,890 --> 00:45:52,490
So I did a lot of interviews there
yesterday. People having a lot of
735
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:53,490
with paranormal activity.
736
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:56,270
So who were the players in this murder?
737
00:45:56,810 --> 00:45:58,690
That would have been the Walkup family.
738
00:45:59,150 --> 00:46:02,650
Marie Walkup, 32 -year -old mother of
four children.
739
00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:07,900
Okay. And her husband, J .D., woke up, a
politician and a man about town.
740
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:09,380
Okay, so what happened?
741
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:14,720
It was July 22, 1937. J .D. was down in
Phoenix.
742
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:19,280
Sometime that night, Marie woke up, went
into the bedrooms of her children,
743
00:46:19,540 --> 00:46:24,620
taken an ice pick and stabbed each one
in the heart and then strangled them.
744
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:29,060
After that, she washed their bodies and
put them back in bed and pulled the
745
00:46:29,060 --> 00:46:30,260
covers up to their chins.
746
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:31,700
How old were these kids?
747
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,800
Well, here are their death certificates.
748
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:42,140
Daniel was 10, Rose was 7, John was 4
1⁄2, and Elizabeth was
749
00:46:42,140 --> 00:46:43,320
about 18 months.
750
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:46,860
All right, any idea what would cause her
to do this?
751
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:51,580
Well, everybody has a different theory.
It does seem like she might have had
752
00:46:51,580 --> 00:46:53,540
some depression. She was isolated.
753
00:46:53,860 --> 00:46:57,660
Her husband was gone quite a bit at the
time, and she had four children.
754
00:46:57,940 --> 00:47:00,640
And sometime that night, Maria woke up.
755
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:05,120
Sat in her house, took a pen to paper,
and wrote four notes.
756
00:47:05,580 --> 00:47:09,420
One of those notes was to her husband.
It was printed in the paper the next
757
00:47:09,500 --> 00:47:15,580
And it said, because of my lack of
discipline, the children are better off
758
00:47:15,580 --> 00:47:16,580
this way.
759
00:47:17,020 --> 00:47:18,980
Only grief would come to them.
760
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:21,820
You are strong in faith, never doubting.
761
00:47:22,580 --> 00:47:26,480
Mercy, mercy to my people. I have loved
you, and I have failed.
762
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,880
All right, so now we've got four dead
kids, babies.
763
00:47:30,490 --> 00:47:32,110
in the home. What happens with her?
764
00:47:32,390 --> 00:47:37,090
Well, she went into the closet. She got
her husband's old army rifle, laid the
765
00:47:37,090 --> 00:47:41,750
gun up with the muzzle against her
chest, and used her big toe to pull the
766
00:47:41,750 --> 00:47:43,590
trigger and shot herself.
767
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:46,410
There's an article about it.
768
00:47:48,210 --> 00:47:50,870
All right, so she wasn't of sound mind,
this woman, obviously.
769
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:55,550
To this day, this is one of the most
disturbing murders in Flagstaff's
770
00:47:58,860 --> 00:48:02,260
That woman who's dressed like a bride is
wandering around in here.
771
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,200
She says she died a long time ago.
772
00:48:05,980 --> 00:48:11,940
I hear 20s, but I don't know if that's
her age or the year around she died.
773
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,620
I kind of want to say suicide.
774
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,180
I kind of got the feeling that she was
kind of being forced to live not
775
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:23,560
how she wanted to.
776
00:48:23,900 --> 00:48:29,140
Like she wanted to be like free, you
know, footloose and fancy free. And that
777
00:48:29,140 --> 00:48:30,140
wasn't going to happen.
778
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:34,920
She doesn't like people in the space.
Any reason? She feels like it's hers and
779
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,660
she should be here and they shouldn't.
780
00:48:50,900 --> 00:48:54,820
Everyone out here is seeing and hearing
strange stuff. Now, to me, everything
781
00:48:54,820 --> 00:48:55,820
isn't paranormal.
782
00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:00,160
Flagstaff is a mountain town. It's 7
,000 feet above sea level.
783
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,820
Trust me, I feel it every morning I'm
here.
784
00:49:03,540 --> 00:49:07,320
Now, from what I've been reading,
mountain climbers sometimes get
785
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,320
from thin air.
786
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:10,420
So I'm wondering if that's what's
happening here.
787
00:49:10,820 --> 00:49:15,320
I'm heading over to a doctor who
specializes in altitude sickness, and
788
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,580
going to put my theory to the test.
789
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,160
Well, Dr. Backus, I appreciate you
helping me out and meeting with me. So
790
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,700
investigation in town, I'm coming across
a ton of people that are hearing things
791
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:35,580
and seeing things. Now, this altitude is
kicking my ass. Is it possible this
792
00:49:35,580 --> 00:49:39,100
altitude could cause people to see
things or hear things that aren't there?
793
00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:44,500
Yes. There are reports of mountain
climbers who talk to people that aren't
794
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:47,380
there. Besides the hallucinations, are
there any other side effects?
795
00:49:47,660 --> 00:49:51,080
Dizziness. Okay. It happens. And then it
could be confusion.
796
00:49:51,850 --> 00:49:54,490
Okay, I've been here a few days, and I'm
having a couple of those myself.
797
00:49:55,050 --> 00:49:59,550
Yes. So, Doctor, I brought some
witnesses that I've spoken to who have
798
00:49:59,550 --> 00:50:00,790
seeing things and hearing things.
799
00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:04,810
So I understand you can run a test to
see if they're getting hallucinations
800
00:50:04,810 --> 00:50:05,569
the altitude.
801
00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:06,570
Yes.
802
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:11,730
The three test subjects will be
breathing in and out of this altitude
803
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:16,530
We'll start them at 12 ,000 feet, and if
they're handling it well, we'll move
804
00:50:16,530 --> 00:50:18,110
them up to 17 ,000 feet.
805
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:20,890
This is your blood oxygen. This is your
heart rate.
806
00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:23,530
The first thing we'll test is motor
skills.
807
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:30,470
Then
808
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:37,330
we'll test
809
00:50:37,330 --> 00:50:38,430
their cognitive abilities.
810
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:42,550
Using flashcards, we'll see if they're
able to select the word green.
811
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:50,530
Next, we'll see if they might be having
hallucinations.
812
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,230
I'll present them with a mix of real
people and mannequins.
813
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:59,150
I'll ask them how many humans they see.
814
00:51:04,650 --> 00:51:06,230
All of them got it wrong.
815
00:51:09,050 --> 00:51:10,470
Okay, so how'd these tests go?
816
00:51:10,730 --> 00:51:13,490
Surprisingly, with motor skills, all
three did well.
817
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:15,750
Okay, so what about the second test?
818
00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:19,690
For the cognitive skills, two passed and
one failed.
819
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,960
So what about that last perception test
you did? Well, the perception, I was
820
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,260
surprised. All three failed. They
couldn't tell the difference between the
821
00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:29,440
humans and the mannequins.
822
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,480
All right, so is it possible from that
last test you did that they're not
823
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,600
paranormal experiences and it is the
altitude?
824
00:51:35,940 --> 00:51:41,260
No. The altitude here is 7 ,000 feet.
Okay. And two of the guys, they had to
825
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:44,880
to 22 ,000 feet for the changes to take
place.
826
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,160
Wow, that's high.
827
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,180
Yes. So the tourists...
828
00:51:48,570 --> 00:51:52,110
They think they're having paranormal
experiences, but it might just be the
829
00:51:52,110 --> 00:51:56,250
altitude. Yes. But people that have
lived here and are acclimated, there's
830
00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:57,250
way they're hallucinating.
831
00:51:57,490 --> 00:51:59,050
No. Okay.
832
00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:04,230
This alien thing goes all over town.
833
00:52:05,130 --> 00:52:12,110
It's a bit unusual to have an alien
thing running around,
834
00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:16,850
either in people's dreams or in their
day -to -day activities.
835
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:22,240
Telling them or showing them like this
or that's going to happen.
836
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,260
This alien thing can change forms and
people can see it in a bunch of
837
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:32,200
ways. Do you have any idea why it shows
itself in different forms to different
838
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:37,220
people? For those who can see this
thing, it would come through as
839
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:39,760
that's positive to that person.
840
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,060
I saw a lot of strange things on my two
walks, but three really stood out.
841
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:53,280
First, the flat -looking shadow guy.
842
00:52:53,860 --> 00:53:00,020
This man was super wrinkled, super,
super thin, little kind of baby nose,
843
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:01,740
baby lips.
844
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,500
So the hair is a lot thinner. It's very
wispy.
845
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:16,010
Next, I described a woman who's dressed
like a bride tormenting someone on stage
846
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:17,010
at the theater.
847
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:21,910
On the stage is like one of the workers.
848
00:53:22,510 --> 00:53:24,850
He was wearing a black shirt with short
sleeves.
849
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:29,510
There's a female who's in a wedding
dress.
850
00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:33,550
She's on his back. Her legs are over
both of his shoulders.
851
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:36,090
Describe her expression.
852
00:53:36,370 --> 00:53:40,610
Her mouth like grew really big and she
had like all these jagged, sharp teeth.
853
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:41,670
Like she was like.
854
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:46,520
Finally, I described the angry man in
the theater turning himself into a huge
855
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:47,520
shadow.
856
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,120
There was a male.
857
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:56,080
I saw his hands like up in front of him
like, whoa. And he sees this
858
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,220
huge shadow figure.
859
00:53:58,700 --> 00:54:00,420
Definitely a male, you could tell.
860
00:54:01,420 --> 00:54:05,600
Ridiculously broad shoulders because
this guy is like really trying to
861
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,660
intimidate this living guy.
862
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,860
Amy, is this what you saw?
863
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:13,850
Yeah, that's what I thought.
864
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:40,530
Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations,
865
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:45,980
We're ready to reveal our findings to
each other and our clients for the first
866
00:54:45,980 --> 00:54:46,980
time.
867
00:54:47,060 --> 00:54:51,760
So Amy, I want you to meet Joshua. He
works at the visitor center in town and
868
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,020
knows just about everybody here.
869
00:54:54,020 --> 00:54:55,020
This is Nancy.
870
00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:59,420
She owns and runs a local diner, and
it's been in her family for over 30
871
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:00,780
right? Right, 30 years.
872
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:05,260
And this are the residents of Flagstaff.
873
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Got too many to introduce you to, but
you'll be hearing from some of them
874
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:10,499
the night.
875
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:14,320
Some people think that whatever's here
is harmless, but others think it's
876
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,320
dangerous for everybody.
877
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:18,580
One thing everybody agrees on, the place
is haunted.
878
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:22,860
They're looking forward to hearing
what's here and what they can do about
879
00:55:22,860 --> 00:55:23,860
they can remain safe.
880
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,540
So unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll tell us about her walk.
881
00:55:32,860 --> 00:55:37,320
Before I talk about the entire town, I
want to go over the biggest things I got
882
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,340
at the different locations I went into.
883
00:55:40,330 --> 00:55:47,310
The first building from the first night,
I walked in and I actually encountered
884
00:55:47,310 --> 00:55:48,029
a male.
885
00:55:48,030 --> 00:55:50,210
He's extremely ADHD.
886
00:55:50,770 --> 00:55:55,310
So this guy was like talking nonstop,
moving around nonstop, fussing with
887
00:55:55,310 --> 00:55:56,310
everything.
888
00:55:56,490 --> 00:55:59,430
When he's doing that, often he does move
objects.
889
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:03,150
Because of his energy, I got a really
sharp headache.
890
00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:07,650
And I'm curious if anybody up in that
area has.
891
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:12,270
had that kind of experience as well with
having sudden headaches.
892
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:17,050
And he also tries to interact with
people often.
893
00:56:17,470 --> 00:56:22,070
Because he's a very touchy -feely guy, I
was curious if people had experience
894
00:56:22,070 --> 00:56:26,450
feeling like they're being touched on
the back, on the arm, padded, things
895
00:56:26,450 --> 00:56:27,450
that.
896
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:31,870
Well, that first location you went to
was the crystal shop in town.
897
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:37,050
I know everything was covered up when
you were there, but I want to show you
898
00:56:37,050 --> 00:56:38,050
what it looks like.
899
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:39,270
When it's not covered up.
900
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:42,030
Interesting.
901
00:56:43,630 --> 00:56:45,070
So I want you to meet the owner.
902
00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:48,010
It's Jessica. She's right there. Can you
raise your hand, Jessica?
903
00:56:48,590 --> 00:56:52,670
Hi. I want to talk about some stuff we
spoke about in our interview.
904
00:56:53,190 --> 00:56:56,690
So whenever I call on someone, just head
to that table in the back with the
905
00:56:56,690 --> 00:56:57,690
microphone.
906
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:59,390
Amy talked about the migraine.
907
00:56:59,830 --> 00:57:03,670
Can you tell Amy about your migraine? I
never get migraines, ever.
908
00:57:04,210 --> 00:57:07,230
And right before you guys got here, for
about two days.
909
00:57:07,690 --> 00:57:12,830
I was getting these really sharp
migraines that would basically hit me as
910
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:15,730
as I walked in the door, and then they
started fading away when I left for the
911
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:16,730
day.
912
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:21,610
She mentioned things getting moved
around. We have stuff flying off the
913
00:57:21,610 --> 00:57:22,750
a weekly basis.
914
00:57:23,850 --> 00:57:27,890
We've also had experiences where it just
looks like somebody just swept
915
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:29,650
everything off of a shelf.
916
00:57:32,010 --> 00:57:33,250
Jordan, can you do me a favor?
917
00:57:33,570 --> 00:57:35,610
I'd like you to go up there. I want to
talk about something.
918
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:37,940
Jordan works at the crystal shop, too.
919
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:41,700
Can you describe to Amy what happened
when you were vacuuming and got tugged?
920
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:47,300
So I was vacuuming one night, and I went
to pull it back, and it was like there
921
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:51,900
was resistance on the hose as if someone
was holding it, so I couldn't vacuum.
922
00:57:52,180 --> 00:57:55,280
And there was nothing that it caught on,
nothing like that? Yeah, it was over a
923
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,700
wood floor, so it's not like it was
getting stuck on carpet. There were no
924
00:57:58,700 --> 00:57:59,618
in the tubing.
925
00:57:59,620 --> 00:58:00,700
You think that's that guy?
926
00:58:01,020 --> 00:58:02,020
Yeah.
927
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,280
Okay, so what else happened?
928
00:58:07,660 --> 00:58:13,920
The next walk night, I started right
here in the theater. It was like
929
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:19,560
completely engulfed by rage, and it was
coming from this dead guy.
930
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,640
He's extremely intense.
931
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:26,620
He doesn't want to be disrespected or
challenged in any way, shape, or form.
932
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:32,360
I didn't particularly care for him, and
I felt like it was a possibility that
933
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,620
people would potentially...
934
00:58:35,340 --> 00:58:38,000
Feel a sudden onset of panic back there.
935
00:58:38,540 --> 00:58:39,560
Is Lisa out here?
936
00:58:40,140 --> 00:58:41,220
So this is Lisa.
937
00:58:41,940 --> 00:58:43,620
She used to work here. Do me a favor.
938
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,980
Just tell her about what you were
feeling in the back that time.
939
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:49,620
My friend and I were here.
940
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,520
We were hanging out with the band
backstage after the show. And we were
941
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,480
right between where the couches are and
where the stage is.
942
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,820
Yeah. And I was like, we need to go now.
943
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,600
We need to leave now.
944
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,120
You described it as what, impending
doom? Yeah.
945
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,620
And then as soon as we did leave, I
didn't have that feeling anymore.
946
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,760
Does he do anything else?
947
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Yeah.
948
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:18,060
Then I was suddenly inside the body of a
male, a living person.
949
00:59:18,420 --> 00:59:24,640
And whoever this guy is, the dead dude
does not like him. And he comes in and
950
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:30,640
engulfs the entire room as like this
huge black mass of a man trying to
951
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,320
intimidate this living male.
952
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:38,740
I did have a sketch done of being inside
that living male's body and seeing what
953
00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:39,740
he saw.
954
00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:49,020
Hmm.
955
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:50,320
That's interesting.
956
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:53,000
So this is what he portrays himself as?
957
00:59:53,220 --> 00:59:54,220
Yeah,
958
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:55,640
take a look at that, guys.
959
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,320
I have kind of cut chills all over my
body right now.
960
01:00:05,689 --> 01:00:09,430
Joshua, I mean, you know there's some
stuff going on here. Does it surprise
961
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:11,110
Honestly, no.
962
01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:12,450
It feels familiar.
963
01:00:13,770 --> 01:00:14,910
Hey, Susan, you here?
964
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:17,150
There she is.
965
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:20,150
Hi, I'm Susan with the Orpheum.
966
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:26,010
Hi. So, Sue, when she talked about the
shadows, you mentioned that to me. Do
967
01:00:26,010 --> 01:00:27,510
mind describing it to Amy for her?
968
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:29,950
When I first started working here...
969
01:00:30,270 --> 01:00:34,810
Every so often when I would walk from
the back, I felt like up in the
970
01:00:34,850 --> 01:00:40,290
I would see more of a shadowy mass not
defined, and there was no interaction.
971
01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:42,250
You didn't get a good feeling off of it,
though?
972
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:44,470
No. That sound like him?
973
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:46,030
Yes.
974
01:00:49,310 --> 01:00:50,770
Okay, so what's next?
975
01:00:51,930 --> 01:00:55,250
Then I'm walking up the street.
976
01:00:56,010 --> 01:01:00,630
And there's, like, a railing, so I just
stopped and looked down. And there's,
977
01:01:00,630 --> 01:01:03,070
like, all these men who are being
mistreated.
978
01:01:03,330 --> 01:01:06,330
And here's what that part of the walk
looks like.
979
01:01:10,350 --> 01:01:11,510
I don't like this.
980
01:01:13,470 --> 01:01:19,050
There's a bunch of men down there, and
they're in a lot of pain.
981
01:01:20,290 --> 01:01:22,730
Damn, man, there's got to be at least
ten of them.
982
01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:24,530
They're laborers.
983
01:01:25,310 --> 01:01:26,310
They're hurting.
984
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:29,350
1860, 1870.
985
01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:34,590
Maybe they all died. That's why they're
all up, you know.
986
01:01:36,350 --> 01:01:40,570
So 10 dead laborers were mistreated
around the 1870s. I think I have a
987
01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:41,570
good idea who you saw.
988
01:01:41,810 --> 01:01:46,390
Now, in 1876, Flagstaff began building a
railway system, and there were quite a
989
01:01:46,390 --> 01:01:50,430
few accidents, but the worst one
happened in 1881. That's when some black
990
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:53,290
exploded while 10 men were building a
tunnel.
991
01:01:54,050 --> 01:02:00,970
Seven of the men were killed and three
were maimed. It was so bad, the expert
992
01:02:00,970 --> 01:02:04,430
I spoke to said that body parts were
actually raining from the sky.
993
01:02:05,950 --> 01:02:09,190
Now, do you think those railway workers
are who you might have seen?
994
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:10,510
Yeah.
995
01:02:13,810 --> 01:02:14,870
What happened next?
996
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:17,670
So I went into the hotel.
997
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:20,210
Lots of dead people.
998
01:02:20,890 --> 01:02:25,870
The first thing that I really noticed
was hearing piano music, and it was
999
01:02:25,870 --> 01:02:26,808
from upstairs.
1000
01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:29,570
So I went up the stairs, and then there
was this dead guy there.
1001
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:36,010
Then I saw some women, and they were all
like chit -chatting.
1002
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:41,930
Then I went downstairs into, I don't
know, a restaurant or something.
1003
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:47,090
There was a guy there who used to be a
business manager, I think he kept
1004
01:02:47,090 --> 01:02:52,460
himself. And this would have been maybe
in the 30s or 40s. He was super solid as
1005
01:02:52,460 --> 01:02:58,600
well. The living may see him. And he
does get annoyed when people are not
1006
01:02:58,600 --> 01:02:59,860
the proper thing.
1007
01:03:00,540 --> 01:03:02,960
So, Amy, the place is called the
Weatherford Hotel.
1008
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:05,840
You mentioned that the dead guy might
get annoyed with the living.
1009
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,560
Now, I want you to meet Chelsea. She
runs the place.
1010
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,880
Chelsea, tell Amy about the bottle
flying.
1011
01:03:12,180 --> 01:03:15,760
In the same area down in the gopher
hole, I was shining a glass.
1012
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,400
All of a sudden, another flute shot
right in front of my face, hit the
1013
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,720
the back bar, and shattered.
1014
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,440
Another time, there is a shelf right
above the bar. It's very flush.
1015
01:03:28,660 --> 01:03:32,860
There's no reason why anything would
fall off of it, and the bottle is
1016
01:03:32,860 --> 01:03:38,380
tucked back towards the wall area, and
it had fallen over, and it almost hit
1017
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:40,340
server, which was there probably a
minute before.
1018
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:43,940
Oop.
1019
01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:45,340
See it? Uh -huh.
1020
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:48,320
So the dead businessman, do you think
that's the one that threw the bottle?
1021
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:52,760
Yeah. That's the most active place I
walked tonight.
1022
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:54,140
Wow. The hotel.
1023
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,300
Okay, so what's next?
1024
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:05,860
So then I left, and I went to the diner.
And there was only one dead guy that I
1025
01:04:05,860 --> 01:04:07,660
met. Very, very present.
1026
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,960
Very solid.
1027
01:04:09,380 --> 01:04:11,340
I got that his name was something like
Bill.
1028
01:04:11,790 --> 01:04:14,510
And I think he may have owned the
business at some point.
1029
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:16,730
She does tend to move things around.
1030
01:04:17,770 --> 01:04:21,650
So going through the deeds for your
place, I found that your diner was the
1031
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:24,290
Knowles Bakery from 1927 to 1970.
1032
01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:29,270
The guy who ran it from the 50s until it
closed was Bob Knowles. Ah.
1033
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:32,170
Now you said he moves things around.
1034
01:04:32,790 --> 01:04:38,310
Nancy, I want you to tell Amy about the
sweeper. I was in the basement of the
1035
01:04:38,310 --> 01:04:39,890
diner and I...
1036
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:44,980
I felt someone behind me sweeping the
floor, and I could see the motion of it,
1037
01:04:45,060 --> 01:04:48,480
and I turned around to talk to them, and
there was nobody there.
1038
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,120
Have you seen any of the movements?
1039
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:52,840
I've seen things. We've had things move.
1040
01:04:53,540 --> 01:04:56,140
It's impossible for you to be this
formal guy that only plays Bob Knowles?
1041
01:04:56,340 --> 01:04:58,340
Yeah. It's his place.
1042
01:04:59,500 --> 01:05:01,060
You're cool with him staying, right?
1043
01:05:02,540 --> 01:05:07,100
I mean, because he really wants to stay.
1044
01:05:22,990 --> 01:05:29,150
Now I'm going to talk about things that
kind of affect the entire town.
1045
01:05:32,230 --> 01:05:33,610
There are three things.
1046
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:39,350
I'll start off with the dead woman. I
called her the bride because she's
1047
01:05:39,350 --> 01:05:46,070
a wedding dress. And she was on both of
my walks. And she does travel around.
1048
01:05:46,190 --> 01:05:47,950
But her favorite place is here.
1049
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:52,350
The problem with her is that she can
jump people.
1050
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:58,900
That is not good because the person can
lose control for seconds to minutes over
1051
01:05:58,900 --> 01:06:04,780
their body. And when she gets annoyed,
she'll screw things up with electricity.
1052
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:06,300
She's really good at that.
1053
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,040
So we'll start with the electricity.
1054
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,240
Susan, can you explain to Amy what's
going on?
1055
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:18,340
I would come in once every week and two
very high up lights in our lighting
1056
01:06:18,340 --> 01:06:19,420
tracks would be on.
1057
01:06:21,290 --> 01:06:23,630
They're not lights that you can turn on
with a switch.
1058
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:28,170
And I would bring in my production guys,
have them look at it, and no
1059
01:06:28,170 --> 01:06:29,170
explanation.
1060
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:31,610
Now, Amy, you mentioned she could jump
people.
1061
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:36,410
Lisa, remember when we discussed about
people not acting the way they should?
1062
01:06:36,550 --> 01:06:42,230
Yeah. Tell that to Amy. I have seen and
experienced people doing things that I
1063
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:46,510
would not think is in their character
and very bad things.
1064
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:48,250
Can I have one example?
1065
01:06:48,630 --> 01:06:50,190
Sure. I mean, I can give two.
1066
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,940
and both have to do with people that I
worked with stabbing other people.
1067
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,300
So is that something that could be tied
into her jumping people?
1068
01:06:58,580 --> 01:06:59,580
Yes, yes.
1069
01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:03,120
So this bride, does she do anything
else?
1070
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:07,160
She really likes it up here, and this is
what I got.
1071
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:16,360
So I'm getting that she causes a lot of
problems with people on the stage.
1072
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,660
She's very upset.
1073
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,560
She doesn't want to go anywhere.
1074
01:07:21,900 --> 01:07:23,300
She likes it here.
1075
01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:26,540
She does a lot of bad things here.
1076
01:07:27,460 --> 01:07:34,260
She is climbing on their backs. I wonder
if they feel literally a
1077
01:07:34,260 --> 01:07:41,120
weight on their shoulders all of a
sudden, feeling like something really
1078
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,240
slammed onto them.
1079
01:07:43,340 --> 01:07:45,440
And I had a sketch done of what I saw.
1080
01:07:54,890 --> 01:07:55,890
That's f***ed up.
1081
01:08:00,890 --> 01:08:03,510
Horrible. The legs over the shoulders.
1082
01:08:04,430 --> 01:08:07,470
I bet it's fully over, as you said.
1083
01:08:07,790 --> 01:08:08,790
That's f***ed up.
1084
01:08:10,070 --> 01:08:11,950
So, Amy, I brought Lisa back up.
1085
01:08:12,730 --> 01:08:16,689
I want her to talk about what I consider
a violent incident.
1086
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:20,330
So this was about ten years ago, and I
work here.
1087
01:08:20,649 --> 01:08:22,149
I was about six months pregnant.
1088
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,000
Something pushed me from behind, and I
kind of, like, slammed into one of the
1089
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
high -top tables.
1090
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:29,460
Okay. She did demonstrate on me.
1091
01:08:29,899 --> 01:08:33,939
I'm the lightweight, obviously, we know.
Yeah. And she gave me a jolt.
1092
01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:36,220
What are you thinking?
1093
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,620
It could be the woman.
1094
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,899
So you said there were three things,
right?
1095
01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:46,720
Yeah. So what's the second?
1096
01:08:46,939 --> 01:08:52,080
This is where it gets a little
different, so I... Initially, I was
1097
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:56,819
thing. This was never human, and it was
not from this earth.
1098
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:58,399
It's all over town.
1099
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:05,500
It's been here for an extremely long
time. On the first night, when I was in
1100
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:10,740
basement of the shop, I saw it coming
and going down there through the wall.
1101
01:09:10,740 --> 01:09:15,740
it kind of travels around town
underground, I guess. It can show itself
1102
01:09:15,740 --> 01:09:16,800
people in different ways.
1103
01:09:17,260 --> 01:09:18,540
I just want to get Ari up there.
1104
01:09:19,130 --> 01:09:20,149
Hi, I'm Ari.
1105
01:09:20,350 --> 01:09:21,410
I'm a Flagstaff local.
1106
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:23,010
Didn't you tell me about a face?
1107
01:09:23,270 --> 01:09:28,090
Yeah, I was in the basement of the
downtown diner, and in the corner of it,
1108
01:09:28,090 --> 01:09:34,630
saw a very gray, long, disheveled face.
It had no body. It gave me a very
1109
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:35,990
big sense of dread.
1110
01:09:36,330 --> 01:09:37,330
Here's the thing.
1111
01:09:37,470 --> 01:09:41,990
According to this thing, it's not trying
to scare people.
1112
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:47,170
It's trying to comfort them so it can
give them information about the future.
1113
01:09:48,569 --> 01:09:52,069
I'm skeptical about it myself.
1114
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:55,710
We've worked together more than 10 years
now, and that's probably one of the
1115
01:09:55,710 --> 01:09:58,270
stranger things you've ever run into.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1116
01:09:59,830 --> 01:10:02,410
All right, so how would this affect
regular people in town?
1117
01:10:02,950 --> 01:10:09,570
People would have really clear, you
know, visions or hearing something
1118
01:10:09,570 --> 01:10:12,070
about a future event or something of
that nature.
1119
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:16,950
It's weird to me that you would say that
the thing is giving us, like, glimpses
1120
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:18,030
of the future because...
1121
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:23,370
I've definitely had experiences where
I've had a dream and it wasn't something
1122
01:10:23,370 --> 01:10:27,210
that happened to me in the past, but all
of a sudden it became something that
1123
01:10:27,210 --> 01:10:28,750
came to fruition.
1124
01:10:29,150 --> 01:10:35,950
Oh. My concern was if it was, like,
harming people in a way, but from what
1125
01:10:35,950 --> 01:10:37,930
you're saying, it wouldn't seem that
way.
1126
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:40,610
Anybody else dreaming?
1127
01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:46,650
My name is Kimberly, and I'm a Flagstaff
local.
1128
01:11:12,639 --> 01:11:14,580
That's positive. I'm glad you found it.
Yeah.
1129
01:11:15,420 --> 01:11:16,820
Well, now I'm reevaluating.
1130
01:11:17,140 --> 01:11:19,040
All right, maybe he's not a bad guy.
1131
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,620
You guys know this town is 7 ,000 feet
up, and it's killing me.
1132
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:25,440
I mean, I'm having a tough time here.
1133
01:11:25,780 --> 01:11:29,840
So I was actually reading about mountain
climbers sometimes seeing apparitions
1134
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:32,700
because they get disoriented from the
low oxygen.
1135
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,880
So I got three townspeople who've seen
weird stuff to take an altitude test.
1136
01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:42,340
We showed them a mix of humans and
mannequins and asked them to identify
1137
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:43,340
real people.
1138
01:11:43,740 --> 01:11:44,880
All of them got it wrong.
1139
01:11:45,260 --> 01:11:47,400
We were simulating a much higher
altitude.
1140
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:52,900
So what the test proved is it's possible
tourists are actually seeing things,
1141
01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:57,380
but it just doesn't explain what the
locals are experiencing because they're
1142
01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:58,380
adjusted to the altitude.
1143
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:01,300
That's interesting, though. I like that
study. That's cool.
1144
01:12:01,660 --> 01:12:06,940
So, Amy, you mentioned this thing goes
through walkways down in the basement.
1145
01:12:06,940 --> 01:12:10,340
you should know there's a series of
tunnels that run underneath the city.
1146
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:13,960
have been a lot of weird rumors about
what happened in these tunnels.
1147
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:17,410
But I spoke to a woman who directed a
documentary on the tunnels.
1148
01:12:17,690 --> 01:12:20,990
Now, she set the record straight. They
were built in the 1880s.
1149
01:12:21,630 --> 01:12:25,290
The smaller ones were used to steam heat
for the businesses downtown.
1150
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:28,850
Now, the larger ones were used as
passageways between the buildings.
1151
01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:31,490
These tunnels are a big part of
Flagstaff Law.
1152
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:36,270
I wanted to go check them out myself,
but most of them are now boarded up.
1153
01:12:36,710 --> 01:12:37,710
Interesting.
1154
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,920
Now, you said there were three things
that concern you in the town. We got the
1155
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,740
bride. We got the thing. What else?
1156
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,960
I'm definitely worried about this guy.
1157
01:12:48,260 --> 01:12:55,160
He was super present on the first walk
in the basement
1158
01:12:55,160 --> 01:13:00,180
of the shop. I got that he was one of
the original owners of this land or
1159
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,980
The thing is, is that he still believes
that this is his town.
1160
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,100
I put him maybe in the mid -1800s.
1161
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:16,250
I heard a name like Jack, and I got that
he, I think, died from some kind of
1162
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:17,310
disease.
1163
01:13:18,730 --> 01:13:22,610
Okay, so what you're saying is making me
think about one of the original owners
1164
01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:23,670
of Jessica's property.
1165
01:13:23,890 --> 01:13:28,010
His name wasn't Jack, but it's close.
His name was James Vale. Oh,
1166
01:13:28,610 --> 01:13:31,630
Now, Karen, a local professor, told me
about this story.
1167
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:36,850
He started off in Flagstaff as a
bartender at a saloon where Jessica's
1168
01:13:36,850 --> 01:13:37,849
sits now.
1169
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:41,070
Vail was a pretty smart businessman and
wound up owning the bar a few years
1170
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:44,630
later. In the 1880s, he bought the
building and added a brothel.
1171
01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:49,810
This is a photo of what that looked like
back then.
1172
01:13:50,650 --> 01:13:54,730
So Vail was making so much money, he
started buying property all over town
1173
01:13:54,730 --> 01:13:55,810
he used for cattle ranching.
1174
01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:57,670
We're talking about 1 ,300 acres.
1175
01:13:58,430 --> 01:14:02,890
But in 1905, Vail suffered a life
-changing accident in one of his
1176
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:05,990
He was run over by a wagon and nearly
lost his life.
1177
01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:10,610
Vail never recovered, and he was
crippled and in terrible pain.
1178
01:14:11,610 --> 01:14:13,070
Apparently, it was too much for him.
1179
01:14:13,490 --> 01:14:17,030
And on April 3rd, 1906, Vail put a gun
to his head and pulled the trigger.
1180
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:18,270
Oh, damn.
1181
01:14:18,610 --> 01:14:19,469
Yeah.
1182
01:14:19,470 --> 01:14:20,670
How old was he when he died?
1183
01:14:21,010 --> 01:14:22,990
Vail was 45 years old when he killed
himself.
1184
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:24,270
Really? Yeah.
1185
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:28,750
Could James Vail be this bad guy you
saw? Yeah, I mean, I see a lot of the
1186
01:14:28,750 --> 01:14:30,210
being, like, checked.
1187
01:14:30,730 --> 01:14:32,590
So you said you were worried about this
guy, but why?
1188
01:14:32,890 --> 01:14:34,950
Well, he goes all over.
1189
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:41,570
When he was alive, one of the things
that I saw him doing was actually eating
1190
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:42,570
human heart.
1191
01:14:43,090 --> 01:14:49,270
When I went into the basement, I saw him
again, and he likes to be alone down
1192
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:55,310
there. And he'll get really pissed when
people invade his space.
1193
01:14:55,590 --> 01:15:02,270
He can push people. The living would see
him as a flat -looking
1194
01:15:02,270 --> 01:15:03,510
shadow -type figure.
1195
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,660
When he's in this area, he likes to hang
out down here, and he, like, plots and
1196
01:15:11,660 --> 01:15:16,720
plans. He's writing out names of people
he hates, people he wants to do harm to.
1197
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,500
That's what he does. He does that wide
circle area, wide circle area.
1198
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,040
And I think this might be one of the
places.
1199
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:27,900
Now, let's talk about the basement.
1200
01:15:28,900 --> 01:15:33,440
Everyone at Jessica's store hates the
basement, hates it down there.
1201
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:38,680
So, Jessica, do me a favor and describe
the black shadow you saw in the
1202
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,100
basement. So, I was walking, you know,
from one end of the basement to the
1203
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:50,180
other, and out of the corner of my eye,
I saw, like, a big shadow that was kind
1204
01:15:50,180 --> 01:15:51,200
of, like, going by me.
1205
01:15:52,820 --> 01:15:55,440
This is Jordan, you remember, from
before she works at the shop.
1206
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:56,619
Hi.
1207
01:15:56,620 --> 01:16:01,220
When I was downstairs in the basement,
there was a big black shadow right
1208
01:16:01,220 --> 01:16:05,700
me. It didn't feel humanoid to me, but
it was a very threatening feeling.
1209
01:16:06,220 --> 01:16:07,220
Okay.
1210
01:16:07,740 --> 01:16:14,100
He does take people's energy and makes
them sick. Some people that he hones in
1211
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:17,780
on, he can follow them home and make
them sicker.
1212
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:19,720
Where's Adeline?
1213
01:16:19,980 --> 01:16:22,480
I'm Adeline, and I work at the crystal
shop as well.
1214
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,780
Hi. Adeline, didn't you tell me you got
sick down there?
1215
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,800
Yeah, every now and again whenever I go
downstairs, which is pretty frequent,
1216
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:35,120
sometimes I get a feeling of just, like,
dread in my stomach or just, like,
1217
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:36,460
something doesn't want me there.
1218
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,940
Didn't you tell me your biggest fear was
that something might follow you home?
1219
01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:44,000
Yeah, so I just get nervous that it
would get, like, attached or something
1220
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,840
that. Should she be worried?
1221
01:16:47,660 --> 01:16:53,300
This guy, yeah, he can go places. He
tends to, like, fixate on people who are
1222
01:16:53,300 --> 01:16:54,520
prone to illnesses.
1223
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,660
So I also had a sketch done of what I
saw.
1224
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,920
Creepy looking son of a bitch. Take a
look.
1225
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:20,800
Very scary.
1226
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,000
Yeah.
1227
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:23,660
And he's the one you said goes.
1228
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:25,270
All around town?
1229
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:26,890
Yeah, he likes to make people sick.
1230
01:17:29,210 --> 01:17:33,650
He definitely looks like some old mobile
guy.
1231
01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:37,730
This reminds me of, like, kind of
Scrooge. What does this guy want from
1232
01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:41,790
everybody in town? Everything he owns,
he wants it back. I was actually seeing
1233
01:17:41,790 --> 01:17:47,170
these people, that he's writing down
their names and going there, going
1234
01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:50,630
going to take them down, going to fuck
them up. This makes me feel horrible.
1235
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:53,350
I want to know my name's not on that
paper.
1236
01:17:54,250 --> 01:17:58,410
And I want to know how can I be safe
from being on that paper.
1237
01:18:17,550 --> 01:18:21,910
So I know everyone here is passionate
about this city, and I can understand
1238
01:18:21,990 --> 01:18:23,110
Flagstaff is beautiful.
1239
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:26,840
But after what we've heard tonight,
there's clearly a problem.
1240
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:30,680
So what's it going to take to make this
place safe? For that, I'm going to turn
1241
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,680
it over to Amy.
1242
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,900
For the crystal shot, the first person I
would really like to see moved on is
1243
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:46,460
the ADHD guy. The best bet would be
having a younger male medium, maybe in
1244
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:51,940
early 20s, just so he can have a bond
with that male. I think that would go
1245
01:18:51,940 --> 01:18:52,940
really smoothly.
1246
01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:58,650
Then we have this location with the
angry male.
1247
01:18:59,210 --> 01:19:05,810
I believe that a motherly female type,
who is a medium, would be
1248
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:07,950
able to move him on.
1249
01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:14,690
As far as the laborers, honestly, they
need some more time to kind of work out
1250
01:19:14,690 --> 01:19:19,090
their... I know it sucks because they
are in a lot of pain, but they're not
1251
01:19:19,090 --> 01:19:20,690
completely aware that they're deceased.
1252
01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:22,510
So leave the 10 guys alone.
1253
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,120
They're working through things.
1254
01:19:24,900 --> 01:19:26,500
All right, so any advice for the hotel?
1255
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:33,980
Upstairs, what would be really great is
maybe having a couple of mediums come
1256
01:19:33,980 --> 01:19:39,700
through and sit down with these various
dead who want to talk because there's a
1257
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,680
lot of dead there who would love to tell
their stories.
1258
01:19:44,020 --> 01:19:49,560
A lot of them, once they do that, will
automatically be able to move on.
1259
01:19:50,220 --> 01:19:52,480
All right, now what about the guy at
Nancy's Diner?
1260
01:19:52,940 --> 01:19:54,000
He's good to go? Oh, he's awesome.
1261
01:19:54,220 --> 01:19:56,260
I mean, I like him.
1262
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,640
He's a good guy.
1263
01:19:58,940 --> 01:20:01,580
So you don't have to do anything more?
He doesn't want to leave, and you're
1264
01:20:01,580 --> 01:20:02,620
cool, so that's good.
1265
01:20:03,140 --> 01:20:05,720
Okay, now how about the things that are
affecting the whole town?
1266
01:20:06,780 --> 01:20:09,100
As far as the thing goes, is that okay?
1267
01:20:12,620 --> 01:20:14,880
Personally, I'm still on the fence about
the whole thing.
1268
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,040
But it seems to be positive.
1269
01:20:20,910 --> 01:20:25,250
So let's just monitor the situation, but
we'll leave him alone for now.
1270
01:20:25,650 --> 01:20:27,270
Okay. What about the bride?
1271
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:34,950
With the bride, who's potentially a big
problem, I would like to
1272
01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:41,490
get kind of brutal with her and bring in
a female demonologist who's going to
1273
01:20:41,490 --> 01:20:43,330
exercise her.
1274
01:20:45,190 --> 01:20:49,390
So any particular location for that,
though? Here. This is her favorite spot.
1275
01:20:49,650 --> 01:20:50,650
Okay.
1276
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,240
Now the shadow guy seems to be the
biggest issue.
1277
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:55,920
What are we going to do about him?
1278
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:03,680
I want to have a male demonologist and a
1279
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:08,700
shaman coming at him at the same time in
the basement of the crystal place.
1280
01:21:10,840 --> 01:21:17,660
By going at him with both of these
people, he will be contained and
1281
01:21:22,350 --> 01:21:26,310
It sounds like if the bride and the two
guys are gone, things should be a little
1282
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:27,310
better here.
1283
01:21:27,370 --> 01:21:28,370
Yeah, that'll be good.
1284
01:21:29,130 --> 01:21:31,570
So, Chelsea, you heard what Amy said.
1285
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:33,270
You going to follow her advice at all?
1286
01:21:33,730 --> 01:21:34,730
Of course, yeah.
1287
01:21:34,850 --> 01:21:37,330
Okay. Jessica, you're the reason we're
in town.
1288
01:21:37,570 --> 01:21:39,530
I mean, you called for help originally.
1289
01:21:40,110 --> 01:21:42,430
It seems like you got the most problems
in that basement.
1290
01:21:42,830 --> 01:21:45,610
Yeah. Are you going to follow up with
some of Amy's suggestions?
1291
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:47,310
Well, absolutely.
1292
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:49,830
Were you shocked at all or surprised by
what you heard? Absolutely, yeah.
1293
01:21:50,590 --> 01:21:51,890
Yeah, I kind of floored, actually.
1294
01:21:55,450 --> 01:21:58,530
So, Susan, you got a couple of bad guys
here.
1295
01:21:59,010 --> 01:22:01,270
Yeah, definitely a surprise, honestly.
1296
01:22:01,670 --> 01:22:04,810
And definitely worrisome on an energetic
level.
1297
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:08,590
Well, better to get her out of here
before she causes a problem with a group
1298
01:22:08,590 --> 01:22:09,369
got here.
1299
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:11,270
Yeah, it's not what we want to be known
for.
1300
01:22:11,510 --> 01:22:12,510
That's for sure.
1301
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:17,230
Well, some of you thought whatever she
has is no big deal, and some of you
1302
01:22:17,230 --> 01:22:18,990
thought it was a problem. It could be
dangerous.
1303
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:22,180
Obviously, it's a little bit of both,
but more dangerous than we thought.
1304
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,540
But now we've got a game plan.
Hopefully, you guys will go through with
1305
01:22:26,900 --> 01:22:30,840
So we appreciate you allowing us to come
into town and doing this investigation.
1306
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:32,320
I hope everybody's happy with it.
1307
01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:33,540
Yeah. Yeah.
1308
01:22:33,820 --> 01:22:37,060
Thank you so much for having us, and
hopefully things will work out.
1309
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:40,640
This was a very unique case.
1310
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,340
Steve and I have never investigated an
entire town before.
1311
01:22:44,820 --> 01:22:48,920
But I was glad we were able to give the
people of Flagstaff some good news.
1312
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:54,130
If they follow my advice, this town will
be a lot safer for the people who live,
1313
01:22:54,210 --> 01:22:55,450
work, and visit here.
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