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She was murdered, and he keeps burying
her.
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Sometimes he literally shakes the entire
house.
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Something jerked me. Show me.
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Oh. I woke up, and my body was
completely paralyzed.
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This shadow figure holding this person
down by their shoulder.
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What's going on?
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You can tell me.
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Everything that's going on here is about
keeping your mouth shut.
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He definitely is getting off on
torturing him.
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All I hear from him is, stay dead, stay
dead.
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He wants the person dead.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people. I saw a winged
creature.
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I speak to dead people, and they speak
to me.
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This person feels like a monster.
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There's only one way to know if my
findings are real. Stay here.
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Sucking the life out of these people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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So how many bodies are we talking? And I
know every person, every house has
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secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But
Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate during an
investigation.
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Until the very end.
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I'm not going to like this.
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When we uncover if it's safe for you to
stay. I'm sorry. I need to take a break.
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We're timed to get out at once inside
the house because it wants to kill you.
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I'm up here in Euclid, Ohio. It's a
suburb just outside of Cleveland.
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I got a desperate call from a single
mother of three who says she and her
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are getting terrorized by the
paranormal.
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I feel hopeless as a mother.
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And this has been going on for four
years consistently.
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And sometimes it's daily.
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It's real.
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And I need help.
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But here's the weird thing. It wasn't
her idea to reach out to us.
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She was talked into it by two of her
son's grade school teachers.
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Now, that is definitely a first.
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And I'm hoping Amy and I can help her
out.
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So, Brooke, This is a beautiful place to
raise children.
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But when we spoke on the phone, you
sounded pretty frightened.
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What the hell's going on?
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I need help.
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I'm tired.
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Yeah, I bet you are.
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Thank you.
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Sounds like you're having a tough time.
Yeah.
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Try to stay positive, good vibes.
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I'm always smiling, but it hurts.
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Okay, so Brooke, let's start with some
other basics.
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lives in the home with you?
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I have a photo here.
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Okay.
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That's my daughter, Novi. She's four.
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That is my daughter, Michaela. She's 23,
and my son, Kingston. He's nine.
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Okay, so they all live here now?
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Michaela used to, but she moved out
about two years ago, and she will be
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back in in a couple months.
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I have a granddaughter now.
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Ah, okay.
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Is she happy about coming home?
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No. She's terrified.
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Because of what's going on here?
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Yeah. and she would have to move down
into the basement.
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What about your little one as far as
experiences?
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Is she having any?
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Absolutely. She has probably the most.
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I recently started documenting it and
recording it.
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That just breaks my heart.
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So something's touching her.
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This is just one of the examples of
many.
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Now, you told me your son's teachers had
suggested to call her.
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That's a first. Yeah.
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Tell me about that. What happened?
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They did bring up that he is playing and
talking and seeing dead children.
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And he did not want them to tell me.
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Okay, Brooke, obviously there's a lot
going on here. So just give me a list of
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what you guys are experiencing.
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So we hear strange things.
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We're seeing shadow people.
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Things are getting really violent.
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It's affecting my health.
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What about your health? What are we
talking about? I get headaches. The
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is horrible.
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Sometimes it almost feels like I'm
sedated.
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Exciting. What do you think is here?
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I feel like there's a spiritual warfare
going on here.
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The man who killed that dead girl I saw
tries to be a shadow man.
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There's fighting going on between this
dead woman and this dead guy.
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So all of a sudden, the living person's
having massive anxiety, massive panic,
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like almost panic attacks when the
fighting's going on.
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This person's getting wicked headaches.
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Ah, the head.
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She does these headaches to distract the
living and to get the dead girl
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out of the room. He stops her from
talking because he doesn't want anybody
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know that he killed her.
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All right, so is this your bedroom?
Yeah. Tell me about some of the
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you have.
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I'm seeing shadow figures.
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Is it possible you're getting a shadow
from outside?
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No. Why is that?
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I have my curtains all closed at all
times.
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Okay, so what else is going on? When I
was walking through my living room,
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something grabbed my purse strap and
jerked me.
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Okay, so how hard were you jerked? Show
me.
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Are you sure?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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All right. Anything else physical happen
to you?
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Yes. I was attacked when I was giving my
daughter, Novi, a bath.
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Okay, what happened?
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Out of nowhere, my arms started burning
like acid was on them. I actually have a
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photo I want to show you of the
scratches.
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Oof.
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Those are definitely scratches. This
ain't a rash or anything.
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No.
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Why don't you just get the hell out of
here?
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I fought for this house.
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This is our house.
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This is your house, right? Mm -hmm. It's
not their house.
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Right.
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Okay. I'm not going to give up.
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So the dead woman that I saw outside
does come in here often.
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I think this person is sensitive, and
she keeps trying to talk to this person.
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I see her, like, shaking the bed.
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The person's feeling like the bed's
moving, which is, you know, freaking her
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out. And the dead lady's getting angry
because she wants to get the fuck out of
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here.
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She's touching the lady's hair, trying
to talk, and then she gets louder and
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louder and louder.
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So there's a definite miscommunication
here between the dead and the living.
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So, Michaela, Mom said you moved out of
here because of the activity that was
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going on?
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Yes, it was that bad.
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I understand that you're moving back
here with your two -year -old daughter.
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is that?
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Well, I'm going back to school to be a
nurse, and it's going to help me
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financially. So the basement, why did
you bring me down here? What's the
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This is where I'm actually moving back
into.
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Okay. And this is where I felt a lot of
the activity going on. But this would be
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the only room for me to go.
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Okay, so take me through the experiences
you had when you were living here.
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So one night I woke up in my room, and
my body was completely paralyzed.
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I had tears coming down my eyes. I was
crying because I was so scared.
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I couldn't even scream if I wanted to.
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Okay, were you on any kind of medication
or anything like that? No. So not
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taking any weed?
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No. Okay, so what else can you tell me?
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I was in my bedroom once, and when I
looked to the doorway, there was a
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figure. Okay, so now your mom mentioned
about a shadow figure that she saw in
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the hallway. What did it look like to
you?
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It looked like a smaller person.
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And I honestly start crying because I
was so scared.
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Right. Because I felt like something bad
was about to happen to me.
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It's no wonder you don't want to come
back here. I mean, what else is going
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I'm constantly feeling watched in this
house.
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It's very creepy. It feels creepy. And
one of the reasons it does is one of the
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places I often felt watched was when I
was in the shower.
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And it felt like someone was in the room
staring at me.
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So, listen, I'm not trying to pick on
you, but you're moving back.
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Here with a two -year -old. You think
that's such a good idea?
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No, I honestly don't think it's a good
idea. But at the same time, I don't have
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a choice.
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Okay.
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That dude is a little pervy.
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And he does watch women in the shower.
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Don't like that.
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It's not good.
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He does get really angry down there.
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The basement?
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Yeah, that's his lair.
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Sometimes he literally shakes the entire
house.
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They hear things from him all the time.
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He literally goes crazy down there.
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He would not like anybody down here
living wise, period.
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Hey, Kingston, there you are.
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Yeah. How are you, buddy?
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Good. What are you doing out here? You
playing?
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Yeah. So Mom was telling me you're
having some experiences in the house.
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Yeah. Yeah, what's going on?
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Uh... You could tell me.
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Well... It's just I need to find out
what's going on. Mom said you have some
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friends that you talk to that nobody
else can see?
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Yeah. So what can you tell me about
them?
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Um... The first one, he likes to play
Legos with me. And the second one, likes
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to watch TV with me.
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Let's talk about the third one.
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What's his story?
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He doesn't really do anything.
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Usually, he's outside.
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Does he scare you at all?
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No. Well, I don't know.
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What are you hoping we can do for you?
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Well, if I can have my normal life back
to being a playful boy, playing with
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Legos, watch TV, eat a lot, and play
with my friends at daycare.
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So you want to go back to being, having
a normal life and not seeing people that
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nobody else sees, right?
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Yeah. And that's all I can tell you.
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I'm getting a scared little kid in this
room.
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This person is hearing.
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Something coming down the hallway.
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I think it's the killer guy, but he
looks different.
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And then there's like, I think, I want
to say scratching at the door.
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And then the doors opening and then
there's like this black mist.
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But yeah, about this tall, kind of
rolling into the room.
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It was like.
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You know, a very aggressive feeling is
coming from this thing. Like, I'm going
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to take you out.
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And this person's scared.
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At some point, too, this person's being
held down. Like, I see this shadow
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figure leaning over and holding this
person down by their shoulders.
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Like, can feel that something...
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Right there. And they can't move. They
can't talk.
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He seems to enjoy torturing them.
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After talking to Kingston, I got the
feeling he's dealing with a lot more
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he's letting on.
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So I reached out to the teachers who
talked Brooke into calling us in to see
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what he shared with them.
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So. What made you guys think Kingston
had some issues going on with him?
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He just kind of talked to me about
things that he was seeing at home and
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was a little nervous and apprehensive
about.
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Did he get specific with you? Yeah, he
told me that there were three children
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and that two children interact more with
him than the third and that the third
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is not as nice.
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He got really bad vibes.
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off of him and that he was, like, really
mean.
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He said something interesting to me. He
says, well, if they do leave, then I can
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get my life back to normal.
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That, to me, makes me feel like right
now it's bothering him a lot.
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It's really weighing heavy on him.
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He is struggling.
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Ladies, you're convinced that what's
going on with Kingston is paranormal
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-related and not anything else? Yes, my
family actually grew up in the area, and
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we've had experiences as well.
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He's a good kid and it's a good family.
It is a good family.
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So I'm curious, you guys being teachers
and suggesting the paranormal, were you
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worried about, you know, any kind of
backlash or anything like that?
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No, I wasn't. After you teach for over
20 years, you see a lot and you
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experience a lot.
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And you know your kids. And Kingston is
not one to make up stories to scare
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people. Okay.
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I feel like this person wasn't being
taken seriously for a while and
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has seen a lot of... I think that
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this person is actually kind of happy
that we're
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here. Because I think this person is
very tired and scared.
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We've done quite a few cases here over
the years, so I've made a bunch of local
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contacts. One of them is a genealogist.
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She just called me, saying a couple of
the original owners of Brooks' property
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have a story I definitely need to know
about.
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Well, Mary, it's good to see you again.
I appreciate you helping me out.
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All right, so what can you tell me about
this family?
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All right, well, back in 1916, there
were two brothers, Michael and John
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Hartman, and they bought three lots
right here where your client's property
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today. It seems that they were planning
to move their mom on to one of the lots
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because she had been widowed when they
were very young boys. Okay, so the kids
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were looking to take care of their
mother. Yeah.
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All right, so they seem like a close
-knit family. Do we know anything else
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about them? Well, they were immigrants
from Transylvania.
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which was the Catholic region of
Romania.
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All right, so we got two brothers that
own my client's property. Let's start
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with Michael.
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All right, well, Michael actually wound
up moving to Indiana shortly after they
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bought the property.
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Okay. And he worked as a truck driver
for the public library.
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But it turned out Michael was leading
sort of a double life.
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He was running a bootlegging operation
and a speakeasy, and he was arrested for
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that in 1930.
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I have a newspaper article about that.
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Does he do any jail time? Does he plea
out? What happened to this guy?
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Presumably he did a little bit of time,
and he wound up dying in Indiana in 1956
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at the age of 73.
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There's something really strange about
this Tiller guy.
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He is afraid of Catholicism, so that's
interesting.
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I feel like this bad guy did live here.
Something about mother possibly
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living with her, some kind of, like,
government job. Like, I mean, obviously
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got benefits.
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Definitely mentally ill.
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Okay, so we got one brother who was a
bootlegger and died at the age of 73 in
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Indiana. Okay, so what about John? What
do we know about him?
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Unlike Michael, John stayed on the
property.
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Things turned tragic for John almost
immediately.
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So what happens with this guy?
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He had a wife, and she came down with a
severe case of pneumonia. She was only
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27 years old when she died in 1919.
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All right, so does this guy wind up
remarrying at all? Yes, he marries
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pretty quickly. He marries a woman named
Johanna.
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Okay, so is there anything else I should
know about this family?
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By 1940, John was diagnosed with
terrible kidney disease.
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He suffered with this for 10 years.
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All right, so this guy had a miserable
existence for all this time.
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Yes, he did.
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He died on your client's property in
1950 at the age of 63.
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What about Johanna? Did she stick
around?
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Johanna stayed on the land for another
34 years.
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She wound up dying in 1984 at the age of
86.
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So it's a sad story. You know, comes
here as an immigrant, starts a new life,
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loses his wife young, and then 10 years
of suffering from something like that
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had to be incredibly hard for this guy.
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Yeah, he suffered a lot.
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There's a couple, so man and wife, I
guess both are deceased.
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They ran upstairs, so I need to get
upstairs.
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Okay, I don't know where they went.
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I think they're hiding in a closet.
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I think he died before she did.
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I just got a call from my old friend,
journalist Lou Abed.
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Now, he said he found something that may
help my case.
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Tells me a teenage girl died in a lake
less than a mile from Brooke's house.
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At first, everyone thought it was a
drowning.
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That is, until it started to look like a
murder.
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Well, it's good to see you again.
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Thanks for helping me out on another
case.
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So before we get to the drowning, what
do we know about this victim? Her name
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was Molly Petalinger. She was 15 at the
time. She was...
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Born and raised here in Euclid. At the
time, she was dating a guy by the name
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John McKay. He was seven years her
senior. He was 22 years of age.
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Okay, Lou, so let's get to the drowning.
What happened?
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Well, it happened on June 7, 1928.
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John and Molly were right here at Euclid
Beach. They took a rowboat out into the
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lake. A few hours later, the rowboat
comes back to the beach, and it's
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overturned. Okay, so...
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Can I assume they had a search party?
Yeah, they started looking for them, but
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they didn't find anything right away.
But about two weeks later, a fisherman
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happened upon a body of a woman. She was
wrapped in fisherman's line, and then
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they determined it was, in fact, Molly.
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But they never found John, and it was
presumed that he had drowned as well.
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Here's a picture of her, an article at
the time.
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All right, so when did they start
considering this a murder?
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Molly's sister gets a letter, a very
strange letter that's expressing
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and some guilt over Molly's death. And
interestingly enough, it's signed by a
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fictitious author.
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The police decide to reopen the case
now, and they put out a citywide search
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John McKay. Here's an article on it
right there.
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All right, so did they ever find this
guy?
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No, they looked for about a year and a
half.
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And John McKay has never been found.
It's very strange, this story.
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I'm more on the side of there's a little
foul play here. I would tend to agree.
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He's probably, he probably found a new
life somewhere.
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The killer guy hides his victim down
here.
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This is where he likes to keep the lady.
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She did not get buried.
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He left her outside and she rotted
really quick.
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This dude killed her and he thinks
nobody knew about this.
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But here he like keeps her and he keeps
burying her and burying her and burying
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her.
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All I hear from him is day dead, day
dead, day dead, day dead.
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He just wants her to be quiet and
disappear.
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Because he doesn't want her telling
everybody anything about her being
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I think, by him.
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So far, I've got a terrified mother
worried about the safety of her children
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a property where one of the first owners
suffered a long and painful death.
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But I want to see if there's anything
else.
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Searching through old records, I make a
horrifying discovery.
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There was a deadly fire at a school near
Brooke's house.
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I'm heading over to meet a local author
who wrote a book about this tragedy.
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Now, he says the worst part is it was
completely preventable.
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So, Dr. Badal, I appreciate you helping
me out with this case and taking the
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time. Before we get to this horrific
fire, what can you tell me about the
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school? Well, the school was originally
constructed in 1901.
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This is what the finished building
looked like.
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300 to 350 children were distributed
among nine different classrooms.
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Do me a favor. Take me to the fire. What
happened?
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Well, it was March 4th, 1908.
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14 -year -old girl. She has to go to the
lavatory.
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And as she walked down the stairway, she
saw a little wisp of smoke coming up
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between the cracks of one of the steps.
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So she called to the janitor, whom she
saw.
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And when he saw the smoke, he ran into
one of the classrooms and pulled the
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alarm. Where did things go wrong?
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Virtually everywhere.
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When the janitor opened the doors at
both sides of the building, the wind
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went like this, and the entire interior
of the school was wood.
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So it turned it into a big chimney. It
turned it into a chimney.
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And there was a second factor involved.
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The interior was Georgia pine, and the
janitor cleaned it and kept it looking
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nice by using oil, which is an
accelerant.
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Does the fire department eventually show
up? Yes.
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Okay, so what happened once they got
there? The pressure in the hydrants was
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low, and they didn't have ladders that
were big enough to reach to the second
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and third floor.
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Any fire escapes?
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There was one.
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In a building that big?
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Originally, the builder wanted to use
three, but the school board balked at
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cost. Okay.
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I'm not surprised.
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There's actually some footage that was
taken of the fire.
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Unbelievable.
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These kids never had a chance.
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No.
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Now, you told me how many kids went to
the school. What was the final death
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count?
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172 children were killed, two teachers,
and one would -be rescuer.
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The fire was so bad that 19 of the
children never were identified.
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So now, Jim, when we spoke on the phone,
you said that this might have been
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preventable. What do you mean by that?
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They determined that the cause of the
fire was an overheated steam pipe too
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close to a wooden joist.
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Okay. It was a design flaw.
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Was there an investigation?
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Anybody charged?
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No. There was a very extensive
investigation, but no one was actually
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In fact, here's an article about it.
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Slaughtered innocents. That's a good
title. So let me ask you a question. As
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as school fires go, where does this rank
in our country? This is the worst
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school fire in American history.
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I saw several disturbing things on my
walk, but the dead killer burying his
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female victim in the basement concerns
me the most. I saw a grave, and
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it had fresh earth put on top, and then
around it, it had little stones.
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What I saw of him was basically the back
of him, and he had like an old
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-fashioned shovel.
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Amy, is that what you saw?
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Yes, that's what I saw.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations,
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We're ready to reveal our findings to
each other and our clients for the first
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time.
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So, guys, this is Amy. She's going to be
doing the reveal from another room so
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she can focus on the dead in your case
without any distractions.
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Amy, this is Brooke and her daughter,
Michaela.
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Now, Brooke is a single mom who lives
here with her 4 -year -old daughter,
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and her 9 -year -old son, Kingston.
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Now, Michaela used to live here, but she
had some terrible experiences and moved
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out. But now, for financial reasons, she
has to move back in with her two -year
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-old. And she doesn't think it's going
to be safe.
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And that's why they call this in.
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Unless Amy's got some questions for you,
she'll tell us about her walk.
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During my walk, I encountered four
deceased people. The first ones that I
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to talk about are an older couple.
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I believe that it's a man and a wife.
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I could not really gather if they had
lived here or not.
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They were both kind of, you know, on the
heavier side because of their age
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mainly. They looked to be in their 60s,
late 60s, early 70s, I think.
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I do believe the male died prior to the
female.
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It's not a lot to go on, but a few
things remind me of a guy who used to
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this property and lived on it with two
different wives.
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His name was John Hartman.
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Hartman came here from Transylvania,
saved up and bought the property in
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Now, his time here was brutal. In 1919,
his first wife died from pneumonia. She
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was only 27 years old.
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But he quickly remarried. His new wife
was named Johanna.
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Now, you said the man died before the
woman.
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In 1940, John was diagnosed with a
kidney disease.
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He suffered for 10 long years.
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Now, in 1950, John Hartman died right
here on the property. He was 63 years
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when he died. That's his death
certificate here.
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Now, after John's death,
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Johanna lived here for another 34 years.
She died in 1984 at a local hospital,
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and she was 86 years old. Is it possible
that's the dead couple you ran into?
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You know, it's definitely a possibility.
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Okay, what else we got?
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Now I'm going to discuss the other two
individuals that are here. One of them
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a murderer, and one of them is his
victim.
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The victim, the female, is in a very
decomposed state.
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I saw her in this room and going
upstairs and to the right.
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That's your room, Brooke?
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Yes.
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She's trying to get help from you.
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And the reason why is because you're a
sensitive.
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But you've really shut that down.
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00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:39,210
Sorry.
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00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:46,190
What's going on? Like she said, I feel
stuff, but I just shut it down.
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I only discussed that with myself. I've
told nobody in this world.
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Nobody. Not even you.
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00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:59,930
She really wants to tell her story and
to move on.
467
00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:04,750
The murderer, the killer guy, does not
want her to talk.
468
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:10,790
When she tries to communicate with you,
he gets pissed off and they fight and
469
00:31:10,790 --> 00:31:14,970
you're picking up on it via emotion and
you're getting panicked and freaked out.
470
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:19,550
Now, the anxiety is something that's a
real issue. Tell Amy how that goes.
471
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:20,890
So it just hits.
472
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,520
I could just walk into a room, and I
feel a sense of something's not right,
473
00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:31,080
something's bad, and I go into really
bad anxiety.
474
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,440
It makes sense.
475
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,100
Now, you said this murder victim tries
to get Brooke's attention.
476
00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:38,700
What does she do?
477
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,820
I did see her touching, so, like,
caressing the hair and the face.
478
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,100
She's just trying to get your attention.
479
00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:53,090
So a week after we moved in, I was
walking through the living room, and
480
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:57,090
grabbed my purse strap, and it took me
back a couple feet.
481
00:31:57,490 --> 00:32:00,870
I asked her to demonstrate on me, and I
knew she was pretty hard.
482
00:32:01,090 --> 00:32:03,790
Yeah, I mean, I'm 220 pounds, and she
pulled me.
483
00:32:04,030 --> 00:32:08,250
Wow. The other thing is, when you got
scratched, tell her about that.
484
00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:13,730
So I was giving my daughter a bath, and
it felt like someone poured acid on my
485
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,730
arm. And when I...
486
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:21,670
Brought my arms out. There were huge
scratches going down my arms. I got a
487
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:22,670
right here to show you.
488
00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:27,170
Could that be this woman trying to get
her attention or is that something else?
489
00:32:27,410 --> 00:32:30,290
That's more than likely the killer.
490
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:32,170
Ah. Yeah.
491
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:37,410
So since we're talking about physical, I
want to talk about Novi.
492
00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:39,190
You had given me a video.
493
00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:40,810
I want to show it to Amy.
494
00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:51,830
When you were in mommy's bed, was it
tickling your feet or just touched your
495
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:52,830
feet?
496
00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,150
It was tickling my feet and touching my
feet.
497
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:59,150
That would more than likely be the
female.
498
00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:02,890
It makes me very nervous.
499
00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:07,110
And the fact that I'm bringing my
daughter and I'm seeing this with my
500
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:08,230
sister, it already breaks my heart.
501
00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:14,170
As far as this killer goes, any idea who
he might have been when he was alive?
502
00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:21,970
According to him, this murder, he was
able to keep secret when he was alive.
503
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:27,370
I believe that he might have lived here.
I'm thinking that he may have lived
504
00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:28,370
with his mother.
505
00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:32,710
He has a deep fear of Catholicism.
506
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:39,670
And I got that he may have had some type
of government job, like a mailman or
507
00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:43,910
something. What you're talking about
makes me think of the brother of John
508
00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:45,740
Hartman. that owned the property.
509
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,120
Now, his name was Michael, and he and
John bought three lots of property here
510
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,480
together back in 1916.
511
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:57,200
One of the lots was supposed to be for
John, the other for Michael, and the
512
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,860
third was supposed to be for the widowed
mother, so she could live here.
513
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,480
Now, you said the killer was afraid of
Catholicism. As I mentioned, this family
514
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,480
was from Transylvania.
515
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:10,040
Apparently, it's an extremely Catholic
region of Romania.
516
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,570
But like you said, Michael had a
government job. He drove a library
517
00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:19,110
But as far as murdering someone, I got
nothing on that.
518
00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:20,969
He kept it a secret in life.
519
00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:25,550
All of the boxes are coming together
with him.
520
00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:27,590
With the Catholicism and all that?
521
00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:28,810
Yeah.
522
00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:37,949
When I went down into the basement, he
is burying her.
523
00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:44,409
This happens over and over and over
again because she gets out.
524
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:49,770
And that's when she's coming to you and
trying to talk to you. And then he's got
525
00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:54,790
to get her and put her back in the grave
like he just wants her gone.
526
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:58,450
I did have a sketch done of this
situation.
527
00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:00,810
This should be interesting.
528
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,960
This is creepy.
529
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,280
Michaela, that's your new space in the
house, isn't it? Oh, no.
530
00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,660
Like, that's terrible and terrifying.
531
00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,300
Like, that's supposed to be happening,
like, where I'm supposed to be living
532
00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,300
with my child?
533
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,020
And the basement? Like, that's his
place. He doesn't want any of the living
534
00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,020
there?
535
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,180
So does this killer do anything,
interact with these guys?
536
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,900
I did get that he on occasion will watch
the females bathing or showering.
537
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,720
That was the two spots actually was the
basement and the shower where I
538
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,900
constantly felt watched.
539
00:35:53,580 --> 00:36:00,080
I saw that he at one point got into a
rage and it literally felt like the
540
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,800
shook. Like it was like this.
541
00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:05,340
Brooke, have you heard anything like
that?
542
00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:09,960
Yes. Very obnoxious banging for about 20
to 30 minutes.
543
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,580
What? That long?
544
00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:13,000
Yeah. Holy smoke.
545
00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:20,340
He is pretty active in one of the
bedrooms, which is the one directly
546
00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,160
from here. So that's Kingston's room?
547
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,120
Yeah. I did think it was a boy.
548
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,960
I got that he was, like, excited for us
to be here because he is tired and
549
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,520
scared of all of these experiences that
he has had. And he felt like he wasn't
550
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,280
being taken seriously, and that
frustrated him.
551
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,760
Oh, Kingston.
552
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,260
I'm a little blown away by that.
553
00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,680
So, Amy, here's what you need to know.
Kingston was having problems at school,
554
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,720
and he told his teachers that he was
seeing three different dead children.
555
00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:58,850
Here at the house. He told them two were
nice and one not so much.
556
00:36:59,210 --> 00:37:03,550
The reason we're here is because those
teachers called Brooke and told her to
557
00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:04,950
have us come in and investigate.
558
00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:10,390
I was upset because he never told me. He
never opened up. And when I asked him,
559
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:13,050
he said, I wanted to protect you.
560
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:19,690
Who are these kids that he might be
talking to? He might be perceiving the
561
00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:21,490
couple of the two friendly children.
562
00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:25,880
Okay. And maybe perceiving the other kid
who's bad is the killer.
563
00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:32,300
I interviewed him, and he seems to be
holding back. Something else, he's not
564
00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,300
telling me everything.
565
00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,360
Everything that's going on here is about
keeping your mouth shut.
566
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,040
That's the killer's MO.
567
00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:45,680
That's what he's doing to this woman. I
mean, that's, like, the whole thing here
568
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,460
is keep your mouth shut.
569
00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:55,880
I think that the killer has targeted him
because he has medium
570
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,880
abilities.
571
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400
I think the killer feels a threat that
he could get him out of here. He could
572
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,220
push him out and expose his secret.
573
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,580
There was one situation.
574
00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:07,800
It was really dark.
575
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:10,420
He was hearing footsteps coming down the
hallway.
576
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,320
And then the doors opening and then
there's like this black mist.
577
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,060
kind of rolling into the room.
578
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:31,420
The feeling was just rage and aggression
and very threatening. So it seems
579
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:35,020
like he definitely is getting off on
torturing him as well.
580
00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,780
This poor kid is going through hell.
581
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:43,300
What kind of mother am I to bring my
daughter somewhere where I know is not
582
00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:44,300
safe?
583
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:08,510
So, Brooke, you know why Kingston's been
having all these issues. And Michaela,
584
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:10,150
you know why the basement freaks you
out.
585
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:14,070
So it's time to answer the big question.
Is there anything you guys can do about
586
00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:16,450
this? And if so, what's it going to
take?
587
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:18,590
For that answer, I'm going to turn it
over to Amy.
588
00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:28,390
What I would like to see happen is for a
male medium who is a
589
00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:30,710
practicing Catholic, they'll come here.
590
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,320
And they will engage with the killer and
move him on.
591
00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:43,380
Once he is gone, I feel that the female
will be able to finally see
592
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,600
clearly her way out.
593
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:50,680
Once that's done, the older couple will
leave.
594
00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,140
So once they get rid of this, the
killer, right?
595
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,600
Michaela can move in or does she need to
wait a while? Yeah, no, she can totally
596
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,600
move in. Yeah.
597
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,759
I'll be gone.
598
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,200
The lady will be gone.
599
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,560
Everybody will be gone.
600
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:05,900
How do you feel about that?
601
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,240
Relief.
602
00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:11,320
I'm happy about this.
603
00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:12,540
Me too.
604
00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:18,120
We are also dealing with abilities here
and functioning, and I am concerned
605
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,500
about your health. It would be really
great if you could be a Reiki
606
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,820
practitioner. You have a lot of stuff
that needs to get out of your body.
607
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,120
And then with Kingston, we need to
create a lot of safe spaces for him.
608
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,660
So what I would like is for him to see a
child therapist who's open to this.
609
00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:45,220
I know Kingston was your number one
concern.
610
00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:50,800
The behavior was not him. I felt like
something was, there's more to it.
611
00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:52,060
But now you know why.
612
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:52,899
Now I know why.
613
00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,420
Do you feel relieved by that? I do.
614
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,120
I do.
615
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:58,800
You're going to do what she says, right?
616
00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,680
A hundred percent. Are you kidding me?
617
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,040
You look much better.
618
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:09,800
This is huge for us and our family. I
appreciate you guys more than I could
619
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,460
express. Seriously.
620
00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:18,910
I really hope Brooke contacts a medium
to remove the killer and the other dead
621
00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:23,930
trapped inside her home. If she does
that and finds a therapist for Kingston,
622
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:28,490
well as a Reiki master for herself, I
believe this family will find the peace
623
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:29,890
and happiness they deserve.
624
00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:37,690
We took your advice.
625
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:43,490
We did everything that you have put
together for us that would help us, and
626
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:48,410
worked. As you can see now, my beautiful
daughter is finally moving down to the
627
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:52,690
basement, and we have been renovating
it. Yeah, I couldn't appreciate you
628
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:56,710
I feel 100 % comfortable down here, and
it's definitely because of your guys'
629
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:58,650
help. Thank you, guys.
630
00:41:59,030 --> 00:42:00,030
Thank you.
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