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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,720 She was murdered, and he keeps burying her. 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,480 Sometimes he literally shakes the entire house. 3 00:00:18,460 --> 00:00:20,420 Something jerked me. Show me. 4 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,960 Oh. I woke up, and my body was completely paralyzed. 5 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,340 This shadow figure holding this person down by their shoulder. 6 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:31,520 What's going on? 7 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:33,860 You can tell me. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,840 Everything that's going on here is about keeping your mouth shut. 9 00:00:38,410 --> 00:00:41,250 He definitely is getting off on torturing him. 10 00:00:43,370 --> 00:00:46,430 All I hear from him is, stay dead, stay dead. 11 00:00:48,230 --> 00:00:49,730 He wants the person dead. 12 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:51,590 My name is Amy Allen. 13 00:00:52,270 --> 00:00:55,470 I see dead people. I saw a winged creature. 14 00:00:56,210 --> 00:00:59,730 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 15 00:01:00,410 --> 00:01:02,410 This person feels like a monster. 16 00:01:02,830 --> 00:01:06,330 There's only one way to know if my findings are real. Stay here. 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,840 Sucking the life out of these people. 18 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:11,000 I rely on my partner. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,460 I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:19,620 So how many bodies are we talking? And I know every person, every house has 21 00:01:19,620 --> 00:01:23,720 secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. 22 00:01:23,940 --> 00:01:25,740 We never communicate during an investigation. 23 00:01:26,140 --> 00:01:27,360 Until the very end. 24 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:28,940 I'm not going to like this. 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,460 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 26 00:01:34,220 --> 00:01:38,040 We're timed to get out at once inside the house because it wants to kill you. 27 00:01:51,740 --> 00:01:55,520 I'm up here in Euclid, Ohio. It's a suburb just outside of Cleveland. 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,120 I got a desperate call from a single mother of three who says she and her 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,960 are getting terrorized by the paranormal. 30 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,780 I feel hopeless as a mother. 31 00:02:05,540 --> 00:02:08,340 And this has been going on for four years consistently. 32 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,479 And sometimes it's daily. 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,120 It's real. 34 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:13,320 And I need help. 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,240 But here's the weird thing. It wasn't her idea to reach out to us. 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,120 She was talked into it by two of her son's grade school teachers. 37 00:02:21,540 --> 00:02:23,340 Now, that is definitely a first. 38 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,560 And I'm hoping Amy and I can help her out. 39 00:03:01,730 --> 00:03:06,580 So, Brooke, This is a beautiful place to raise children. 40 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,320 But when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty frightened. 41 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:10,600 What the hell's going on? 42 00:03:10,860 --> 00:03:11,860 I need help. 43 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,280 I'm tired. 44 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Yeah, I bet you are. 45 00:03:18,500 --> 00:03:19,520 Thank you. 46 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,660 Sounds like you're having a tough time. Yeah. 47 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,800 Try to stay positive, good vibes. 48 00:03:26,380 --> 00:03:28,620 I'm always smiling, but it hurts. 49 00:03:29,980 --> 00:03:32,540 Okay, so Brooke, let's start with some other basics. 50 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:34,560 lives in the home with you? 51 00:03:34,860 --> 00:03:36,020 I have a photo here. 52 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:37,520 Okay. 53 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,380 That's my daughter, Novi. She's four. 54 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:45,500 That is my daughter, Michaela. She's 23, and my son, Kingston. He's nine. 55 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:47,220 Okay, so they all live here now? 56 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:51,980 Michaela used to, but she moved out about two years ago, and she will be 57 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:53,080 back in in a couple months. 58 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:55,140 I have a granddaughter now. 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Ah, okay. 60 00:03:56,740 --> 00:03:58,260 Is she happy about coming home? 61 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,640 No. She's terrified. 62 00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:01,200 Because of what's going on here? 63 00:04:01,420 --> 00:04:04,480 Yeah. and she would have to move down into the basement. 64 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:06,880 What about your little one as far as experiences? 65 00:04:07,300 --> 00:04:08,279 Is she having any? 66 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,060 Absolutely. She has probably the most. 67 00:04:11,500 --> 00:04:15,100 I recently started documenting it and recording it. 68 00:04:34,150 --> 00:04:35,910 That just breaks my heart. 69 00:04:36,690 --> 00:04:38,430 So something's touching her. 70 00:04:38,770 --> 00:04:41,830 This is just one of the examples of many. 71 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:46,010 Now, you told me your son's teachers had suggested to call her. 72 00:04:46,290 --> 00:04:47,810 That's a first. Yeah. 73 00:04:48,130 --> 00:04:50,270 Tell me about that. What happened? 74 00:04:50,670 --> 00:04:56,790 They did bring up that he is playing and talking and seeing dead children. 75 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,500 And he did not want them to tell me. 76 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:05,060 Okay, Brooke, obviously there's a lot going on here. So just give me a list of 77 00:05:05,060 --> 00:05:06,060 what you guys are experiencing. 78 00:05:06,380 --> 00:05:07,840 So we hear strange things. 79 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,080 We're seeing shadow people. 80 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:12,380 Things are getting really violent. 81 00:05:12,940 --> 00:05:14,600 It's affecting my health. 82 00:05:15,060 --> 00:05:18,580 What about your health? What are we talking about? I get headaches. The 83 00:05:18,580 --> 00:05:19,580 is horrible. 84 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,840 Sometimes it almost feels like I'm sedated. 85 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,420 Exciting. What do you think is here? 86 00:05:25,710 --> 00:05:28,710 I feel like there's a spiritual warfare going on here. 87 00:05:31,230 --> 00:05:36,050 The man who killed that dead girl I saw tries to be a shadow man. 88 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:42,630 There's fighting going on between this dead woman and this dead guy. 89 00:05:43,690 --> 00:05:49,770 So all of a sudden, the living person's having massive anxiety, massive panic, 90 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:52,950 like almost panic attacks when the fighting's going on. 91 00:05:53,450 --> 00:05:55,310 This person's getting wicked headaches. 92 00:05:56,050 --> 00:05:57,710 Ah, the head. 93 00:05:57,950 --> 00:06:04,870 She does these headaches to distract the living and to get the dead girl 94 00:06:04,870 --> 00:06:09,650 out of the room. He stops her from talking because he doesn't want anybody 95 00:06:09,650 --> 00:06:11,650 know that he killed her. 96 00:06:18,950 --> 00:06:22,270 All right, so is this your bedroom? Yeah. Tell me about some of the 97 00:06:22,270 --> 00:06:22,989 you have. 98 00:06:22,990 --> 00:06:24,310 I'm seeing shadow figures. 99 00:06:24,570 --> 00:06:26,450 Is it possible you're getting a shadow from outside? 100 00:06:26,890 --> 00:06:27,890 No. Why is that? 101 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:30,730 I have my curtains all closed at all times. 102 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:35,810 Okay, so what else is going on? When I was walking through my living room, 103 00:06:35,930 --> 00:06:39,290 something grabbed my purse strap and jerked me. 104 00:06:39,570 --> 00:06:41,550 Okay, so how hard were you jerked? Show me. 105 00:06:42,210 --> 00:06:43,169 Are you sure? 106 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:44,170 Yeah, yeah. 107 00:06:44,450 --> 00:06:45,870 Oh, okay. 108 00:06:46,190 --> 00:06:48,230 All right. Anything else physical happen to you? 109 00:06:48,530 --> 00:06:52,560 Yes. I was attacked when I was giving my daughter, Novi, a bath. 110 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:53,900 Okay, what happened? 111 00:06:53,980 --> 00:06:58,760 Out of nowhere, my arms started burning like acid was on them. I actually have a 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,040 photo I want to show you of the scratches. 113 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Oof. 114 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,800 Those are definitely scratches. This ain't a rash or anything. 115 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:06,879 No. 116 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,600 Why don't you just get the hell out of here? 117 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,100 I fought for this house. 118 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:11,740 This is our house. 119 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,660 This is your house, right? Mm -hmm. It's not their house. 120 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:16,900 Right. 121 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,520 Okay. I'm not going to give up. 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,260 So the dead woman that I saw outside does come in here often. 123 00:07:27,900 --> 00:07:33,860 I think this person is sensitive, and she keeps trying to talk to this person. 124 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,600 I see her, like, shaking the bed. 125 00:07:37,180 --> 00:07:41,900 The person's feeling like the bed's moving, which is, you know, freaking her 126 00:07:41,900 --> 00:07:48,860 out. And the dead lady's getting angry because she wants to get the fuck out of 127 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:49,729 here. 128 00:07:49,730 --> 00:07:54,310 She's touching the lady's hair, trying to talk, and then she gets louder and 129 00:07:54,310 --> 00:07:55,310 louder and louder. 130 00:07:56,010 --> 00:07:59,410 So there's a definite miscommunication here between the dead and the living. 131 00:08:05,810 --> 00:08:09,330 So, Michaela, Mom said you moved out of here because of the activity that was 132 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:10,049 going on? 133 00:08:10,050 --> 00:08:11,310 Yes, it was that bad. 134 00:08:11,690 --> 00:08:15,610 I understand that you're moving back here with your two -year -old daughter. 135 00:08:15,610 --> 00:08:16,359 is that? 136 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,860 Well, I'm going back to school to be a nurse, and it's going to help me 137 00:08:19,860 --> 00:08:23,820 financially. So the basement, why did you bring me down here? What's the 138 00:08:24,100 --> 00:08:26,740 This is where I'm actually moving back into. 139 00:08:27,020 --> 00:08:32,460 Okay. And this is where I felt a lot of the activity going on. But this would be 140 00:08:32,460 --> 00:08:33,460 the only room for me to go. 141 00:08:33,860 --> 00:08:37,039 Okay, so take me through the experiences you had when you were living here. 142 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,840 So one night I woke up in my room, and my body was completely paralyzed. 143 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,740 I had tears coming down my eyes. I was crying because I was so scared. 144 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,000 I couldn't even scream if I wanted to. 145 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Okay, were you on any kind of medication or anything like that? No. So not 146 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,400 taking any weed? 147 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,760 No. Okay, so what else can you tell me? 148 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,780 I was in my bedroom once, and when I looked to the doorway, there was a 149 00:08:59,780 --> 00:09:03,140 figure. Okay, so now your mom mentioned about a shadow figure that she saw in 150 00:09:03,140 --> 00:09:04,300 the hallway. What did it look like to you? 151 00:09:04,540 --> 00:09:06,040 It looked like a smaller person. 152 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,420 And I honestly start crying because I was so scared. 153 00:09:10,620 --> 00:09:13,560 Right. Because I felt like something bad was about to happen to me. 154 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,660 It's no wonder you don't want to come back here. I mean, what else is going 155 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,600 I'm constantly feeling watched in this house. 156 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:24,420 It's very creepy. It feels creepy. And one of the reasons it does is one of the 157 00:09:24,420 --> 00:09:27,340 places I often felt watched was when I was in the shower. 158 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:31,820 And it felt like someone was in the room staring at me. 159 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:35,920 So, listen, I'm not trying to pick on you, but you're moving back. 160 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,260 Here with a two -year -old. You think that's such a good idea? 161 00:09:39,540 --> 00:09:44,820 No, I honestly don't think it's a good idea. But at the same time, I don't have 162 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:45,499 a choice. 163 00:09:45,500 --> 00:09:46,500 Okay. 164 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:53,620 That dude is a little pervy. 165 00:09:55,020 --> 00:09:57,860 And he does watch women in the shower. 166 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,880 Don't like that. 167 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:01,720 It's not good. 168 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,980 He does get really angry down there. 169 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:06,200 The basement? 170 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:09,130 Yeah, that's his lair. 171 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:14,890 Sometimes he literally shakes the entire house. 172 00:10:15,230 --> 00:10:17,910 They hear things from him all the time. 173 00:10:18,230 --> 00:10:20,890 He literally goes crazy down there. 174 00:10:21,370 --> 00:10:27,370 He would not like anybody down here living wise, period. 175 00:10:55,020 --> 00:10:56,420 Hey, Kingston, there you are. 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,280 Yeah. How are you, buddy? 177 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:00,980 Good. What are you doing out here? You playing? 178 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,420 Yeah. So Mom was telling me you're having some experiences in the house. 179 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,940 Yeah. Yeah, what's going on? 180 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:11,460 Uh... You could tell me. 181 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:17,540 Well... It's just I need to find out what's going on. Mom said you have some 182 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:19,680 friends that you talk to that nobody else can see? 183 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,600 Yeah. So what can you tell me about them? 184 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,840 Um... The first one, he likes to play Legos with me. And the second one, likes 185 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,400 to watch TV with me. 186 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,120 Let's talk about the third one. 187 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,200 What's his story? 188 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,280 He doesn't really do anything. 189 00:11:44,380 --> 00:11:46,200 Usually, he's outside. 190 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,080 Does he scare you at all? 191 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,340 No. Well, I don't know. 192 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,160 What are you hoping we can do for you? 193 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:59,620 Well, if I can have my normal life back to being a playful boy, playing with 194 00:11:59,620 --> 00:12:03,700 Legos, watch TV, eat a lot, and play with my friends at daycare. 195 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,960 So you want to go back to being, having a normal life and not seeing people that 196 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:09,960 nobody else sees, right? 197 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,120 Yeah. And that's all I can tell you. 198 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:17,680 I'm getting a scared little kid in this room. 199 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,980 This person is hearing. 200 00:12:21,740 --> 00:12:23,200 Something coming down the hallway. 201 00:12:25,500 --> 00:12:29,000 I think it's the killer guy, but he looks different. 202 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:34,080 And then there's like, I think, I want to say scratching at the door. 203 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,120 And then the doors opening and then there's like this black mist. 204 00:12:39,660 --> 00:12:45,920 But yeah, about this tall, kind of rolling into the room. 205 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:51,080 It was like. 206 00:12:51,630 --> 00:12:58,450 You know, a very aggressive feeling is coming from this thing. Like, I'm going 207 00:12:58,450 --> 00:13:00,010 to take you out. 208 00:13:01,590 --> 00:13:03,570 And this person's scared. 209 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:08,650 At some point, too, this person's being held down. Like, I see this shadow 210 00:13:08,650 --> 00:13:13,730 figure leaning over and holding this person down by their shoulders. 211 00:13:14,510 --> 00:13:17,090 Like, can feel that something... 212 00:13:18,260 --> 00:13:21,000 Right there. And they can't move. They can't talk. 213 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,980 He seems to enjoy torturing them. 214 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:33,120 After talking to Kingston, I got the feeling he's dealing with a lot more 215 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:33,919 he's letting on. 216 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,720 So I reached out to the teachers who talked Brooke into calling us in to see 217 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,720 what he shared with them. 218 00:13:44,700 --> 00:13:48,840 So. What made you guys think Kingston had some issues going on with him? 219 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:55,040 He just kind of talked to me about things that he was seeing at home and 220 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,440 was a little nervous and apprehensive about. 221 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Did he get specific with you? Yeah, he told me that there were three children 222 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:09,720 and that two children interact more with him than the third and that the third 223 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,120 is not as nice. 224 00:14:12,460 --> 00:14:14,300 He got really bad vibes. 225 00:14:14,670 --> 00:14:16,650 off of him and that he was, like, really mean. 226 00:14:16,850 --> 00:14:20,710 He said something interesting to me. He says, well, if they do leave, then I can 227 00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:21,710 get my life back to normal. 228 00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:26,470 That, to me, makes me feel like right now it's bothering him a lot. 229 00:14:26,930 --> 00:14:28,590 It's really weighing heavy on him. 230 00:14:29,210 --> 00:14:30,210 He is struggling. 231 00:14:30,670 --> 00:14:34,290 Ladies, you're convinced that what's going on with Kingston is paranormal 232 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:39,090 -related and not anything else? Yes, my family actually grew up in the area, and 233 00:14:39,090 --> 00:14:41,110 we've had experiences as well. 234 00:14:41,530 --> 00:14:44,490 He's a good kid and it's a good family. It is a good family. 235 00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:49,670 So I'm curious, you guys being teachers and suggesting the paranormal, were you 236 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:53,390 worried about, you know, any kind of backlash or anything like that? 237 00:14:53,770 --> 00:14:59,170 No, I wasn't. After you teach for over 20 years, you see a lot and you 238 00:14:59,170 --> 00:15:00,170 experience a lot. 239 00:15:00,430 --> 00:15:05,830 And you know your kids. And Kingston is not one to make up stories to scare 240 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:06,870 people. Okay. 241 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:16,320 I feel like this person wasn't being taken seriously for a while and 242 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:23,160 has seen a lot of... I think that 243 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:30,060 this person is actually kind of happy that we're 244 00:15:30,060 --> 00:15:35,000 here. Because I think this person is very tired and scared. 245 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:51,490 We've done quite a few cases here over the years, so I've made a bunch of local 246 00:15:51,490 --> 00:15:54,110 contacts. One of them is a genealogist. 247 00:15:54,590 --> 00:15:58,370 She just called me, saying a couple of the original owners of Brooks' property 248 00:15:58,370 --> 00:16:00,910 have a story I definitely need to know about. 249 00:16:11,090 --> 00:16:13,650 Well, Mary, it's good to see you again. I appreciate you helping me out. 250 00:16:13,870 --> 00:16:16,010 All right, so what can you tell me about this family? 251 00:16:16,430 --> 00:16:22,150 All right, well, back in 1916, there were two brothers, Michael and John 252 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:26,910 Hartman, and they bought three lots right here where your client's property 253 00:16:26,910 --> 00:16:31,970 today. It seems that they were planning to move their mom on to one of the lots 254 00:16:31,970 --> 00:16:36,450 because she had been widowed when they were very young boys. Okay, so the kids 255 00:16:36,450 --> 00:16:37,850 were looking to take care of their mother. Yeah. 256 00:16:38,210 --> 00:16:41,010 All right, so they seem like a close -knit family. Do we know anything else 257 00:16:41,010 --> 00:16:44,050 about them? Well, they were immigrants from Transylvania. 258 00:16:44,750 --> 00:16:47,750 which was the Catholic region of Romania. 259 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:51,550 All right, so we got two brothers that own my client's property. Let's start 260 00:16:51,550 --> 00:16:52,529 with Michael. 261 00:16:52,530 --> 00:16:58,210 All right, well, Michael actually wound up moving to Indiana shortly after they 262 00:16:58,210 --> 00:16:59,210 bought the property. 263 00:16:59,310 --> 00:17:02,950 Okay. And he worked as a truck driver for the public library. 264 00:17:03,190 --> 00:17:06,670 But it turned out Michael was leading sort of a double life. 265 00:17:07,339 --> 00:17:13,280 He was running a bootlegging operation and a speakeasy, and he was arrested for 266 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,339 that in 1930. 267 00:17:14,540 --> 00:17:16,760 I have a newspaper article about that. 268 00:17:18,540 --> 00:17:21,540 Does he do any jail time? Does he plea out? What happened to this guy? 269 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:28,099 Presumably he did a little bit of time, and he wound up dying in Indiana in 1956 270 00:17:28,099 --> 00:17:29,980 at the age of 73. 271 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,220 There's something really strange about this Tiller guy. 272 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:40,740 He is afraid of Catholicism, so that's interesting. 273 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:47,940 I feel like this bad guy did live here. Something about mother possibly 274 00:17:47,940 --> 00:17:52,180 living with her, some kind of, like, government job. Like, I mean, obviously 275 00:17:52,180 --> 00:17:53,180 got benefits. 276 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,140 Definitely mentally ill. 277 00:17:59,500 --> 00:18:04,120 Okay, so we got one brother who was a bootlegger and died at the age of 73 in 278 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:07,160 Indiana. Okay, so what about John? What do we know about him? 279 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:11,100 Unlike Michael, John stayed on the property. 280 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,540 Things turned tragic for John almost immediately. 281 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,280 So what happens with this guy? 282 00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:22,180 He had a wife, and she came down with a severe case of pneumonia. She was only 283 00:18:22,180 --> 00:18:25,480 27 years old when she died in 1919. 284 00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:33,270 All right, so does this guy wind up remarrying at all? Yes, he marries 285 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:36,670 pretty quickly. He marries a woman named Johanna. 286 00:18:37,470 --> 00:18:39,590 Okay, so is there anything else I should know about this family? 287 00:18:39,790 --> 00:18:44,410 By 1940, John was diagnosed with terrible kidney disease. 288 00:18:45,070 --> 00:18:47,430 He suffered with this for 10 years. 289 00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:50,850 All right, so this guy had a miserable existence for all this time. 290 00:18:51,090 --> 00:18:52,090 Yes, he did. 291 00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:58,350 He died on your client's property in 1950 at the age of 63. 292 00:19:01,230 --> 00:19:03,190 What about Johanna? Did she stick around? 293 00:19:03,550 --> 00:19:07,070 Johanna stayed on the land for another 34 years. 294 00:19:07,310 --> 00:19:11,930 She wound up dying in 1984 at the age of 86. 295 00:19:12,430 --> 00:19:16,430 So it's a sad story. You know, comes here as an immigrant, starts a new life, 296 00:19:16,610 --> 00:19:21,870 loses his wife young, and then 10 years of suffering from something like that 297 00:19:21,870 --> 00:19:24,390 had to be incredibly hard for this guy. 298 00:19:24,650 --> 00:19:26,150 Yeah, he suffered a lot. 299 00:19:30,030 --> 00:19:36,450 There's a couple, so man and wife, I guess both are deceased. 300 00:19:37,550 --> 00:19:40,170 They ran upstairs, so I need to get upstairs. 301 00:19:43,900 --> 00:19:45,720 Okay, I don't know where they went. 302 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,720 I think they're hiding in a closet. 303 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,880 I think he died before she did. 304 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,820 I just got a call from my old friend, journalist Lou Abed. 305 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,400 Now, he said he found something that may help my case. 306 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:09,500 Tells me a teenage girl died in a lake less than a mile from Brooke's house. 307 00:20:09,980 --> 00:20:12,160 At first, everyone thought it was a drowning. 308 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:14,900 That is, until it started to look like a murder. 309 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:24,820 Well, it's good to see you again. 310 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:26,780 Thanks for helping me out on another case. 311 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:30,140 So before we get to the drowning, what do we know about this victim? Her name 312 00:20:30,140 --> 00:20:34,100 was Molly Petalinger. She was 15 at the time. She was... 313 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:38,580 Born and raised here in Euclid. At the time, she was dating a guy by the name 314 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:42,560 John McKay. He was seven years her senior. He was 22 years of age. 315 00:20:42,860 --> 00:20:44,760 Okay, Lou, so let's get to the drowning. What happened? 316 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,380 Well, it happened on June 7, 1928. 317 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:52,180 John and Molly were right here at Euclid Beach. They took a rowboat out into the 318 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:56,380 lake. A few hours later, the rowboat comes back to the beach, and it's 319 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:58,240 overturned. Okay, so... 320 00:20:58,670 --> 00:21:02,330 Can I assume they had a search party? Yeah, they started looking for them, but 321 00:21:02,330 --> 00:21:06,070 they didn't find anything right away. But about two weeks later, a fisherman 322 00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:10,930 happened upon a body of a woman. She was wrapped in fisherman's line, and then 323 00:21:10,930 --> 00:21:12,890 they determined it was, in fact, Molly. 324 00:21:13,130 --> 00:21:17,390 But they never found John, and it was presumed that he had drowned as well. 325 00:21:17,650 --> 00:21:20,350 Here's a picture of her, an article at the time. 326 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,520 All right, so when did they start considering this a murder? 327 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,840 Molly's sister gets a letter, a very strange letter that's expressing 328 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,500 and some guilt over Molly's death. And interestingly enough, it's signed by a 329 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:34,500 fictitious author. 330 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:39,700 The police decide to reopen the case now, and they put out a citywide search 331 00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:42,080 John McKay. Here's an article on it right there. 332 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,900 All right, so did they ever find this guy? 333 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:47,240 No, they looked for about a year and a half. 334 00:21:47,740 --> 00:21:51,560 And John McKay has never been found. It's very strange, this story. 335 00:21:51,780 --> 00:21:55,540 I'm more on the side of there's a little foul play here. I would tend to agree. 336 00:21:55,780 --> 00:21:59,060 He's probably, he probably found a new life somewhere. 337 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,200 The killer guy hides his victim down here. 338 00:22:06,980 --> 00:22:10,840 This is where he likes to keep the lady. 339 00:22:12,260 --> 00:22:15,360 She did not get buried. 340 00:22:16,220 --> 00:22:18,620 He left her outside and she rotted really quick. 341 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:25,540 This dude killed her and he thinks nobody knew about this. 342 00:22:26,500 --> 00:22:32,940 But here he like keeps her and he keeps burying her and burying her and burying 343 00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:33,940 her. 344 00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:38,940 All I hear from him is day dead, day dead, day dead, day dead. 345 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:43,140 He just wants her to be quiet and disappear. 346 00:22:44,740 --> 00:22:50,640 Because he doesn't want her telling everybody anything about her being 347 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:51,720 I think, by him. 348 00:22:59,220 --> 00:23:02,960 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 349 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,500 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 350 00:23:07,500 --> 00:23:08,199 Dead Files. 351 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,720 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 352 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:23,170 So far, I've got a terrified mother worried about the safety of her children 353 00:23:23,170 --> 00:23:26,730 a property where one of the first owners suffered a long and painful death. 354 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:30,010 But I want to see if there's anything else. 355 00:23:32,470 --> 00:23:35,110 Searching through old records, I make a horrifying discovery. 356 00:23:35,690 --> 00:23:38,210 There was a deadly fire at a school near Brooke's house. 357 00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:42,550 I'm heading over to meet a local author who wrote a book about this tragedy. 358 00:23:42,910 --> 00:23:46,410 Now, he says the worst part is it was completely preventable. 359 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,990 So, Dr. Badal, I appreciate you helping me out with this case and taking the 360 00:23:54,990 --> 00:23:58,810 time. Before we get to this horrific fire, what can you tell me about the 361 00:23:58,810 --> 00:24:02,490 school? Well, the school was originally constructed in 1901. 362 00:24:03,290 --> 00:24:05,530 This is what the finished building looked like. 363 00:24:06,010 --> 00:24:10,790 300 to 350 children were distributed among nine different classrooms. 364 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,630 Do me a favor. Take me to the fire. What happened? 365 00:24:13,890 --> 00:24:16,210 Well, it was March 4th, 1908. 366 00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:19,850 14 -year -old girl. She has to go to the lavatory. 367 00:24:20,540 --> 00:24:25,520 And as she walked down the stairway, she saw a little wisp of smoke coming up 368 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,500 between the cracks of one of the steps. 369 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,220 So she called to the janitor, whom she saw. 370 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:35,200 And when he saw the smoke, he ran into one of the classrooms and pulled the 371 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,100 alarm. Where did things go wrong? 372 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:38,420 Virtually everywhere. 373 00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:44,380 When the janitor opened the doors at both sides of the building, the wind 374 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:48,520 went like this, and the entire interior of the school was wood. 375 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,160 So it turned it into a big chimney. It turned it into a chimney. 376 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:54,560 And there was a second factor involved. 377 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:00,340 The interior was Georgia pine, and the janitor cleaned it and kept it looking 378 00:25:00,340 --> 00:25:03,460 nice by using oil, which is an accelerant. 379 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,960 Does the fire department eventually show up? Yes. 380 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,700 Okay, so what happened once they got there? The pressure in the hydrants was 381 00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:15,520 low, and they didn't have ladders that were big enough to reach to the second 382 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:16,520 and third floor. 383 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Any fire escapes? 384 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:18,950 There was one. 385 00:25:19,290 --> 00:25:20,550 In a building that big? 386 00:25:21,050 --> 00:25:25,050 Originally, the builder wanted to use three, but the school board balked at 387 00:25:25,050 --> 00:25:26,610 cost. Okay. 388 00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:27,950 I'm not surprised. 389 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:31,230 There's actually some footage that was taken of the fire. 390 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:38,010 Unbelievable. 391 00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:39,870 These kids never had a chance. 392 00:25:40,110 --> 00:25:41,110 No. 393 00:25:41,870 --> 00:25:44,830 Now, you told me how many kids went to the school. What was the final death 394 00:25:44,830 --> 00:25:45,830 count? 395 00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:51,250 172 children were killed, two teachers, and one would -be rescuer. 396 00:25:51,490 --> 00:25:56,090 The fire was so bad that 19 of the children never were identified. 397 00:25:57,570 --> 00:26:00,750 So now, Jim, when we spoke on the phone, you said that this might have been 398 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,330 preventable. What do you mean by that? 399 00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:07,450 They determined that the cause of the fire was an overheated steam pipe too 400 00:26:07,450 --> 00:26:09,030 close to a wooden joist. 401 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:11,450 Okay. It was a design flaw. 402 00:26:11,770 --> 00:26:12,770 Was there an investigation? 403 00:26:12,790 --> 00:26:13,790 Anybody charged? 404 00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:18,910 No. There was a very extensive investigation, but no one was actually 405 00:26:19,410 --> 00:26:21,510 In fact, here's an article about it. 406 00:26:22,530 --> 00:26:25,830 Slaughtered innocents. That's a good title. So let me ask you a question. As 407 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:29,870 as school fires go, where does this rank in our country? This is the worst 408 00:26:29,870 --> 00:26:31,310 school fire in American history. 409 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:45,330 I saw several disturbing things on my walk, but the dead killer burying his 410 00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:51,910 female victim in the basement concerns me the most. I saw a grave, and 411 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:57,510 it had fresh earth put on top, and then around it, it had little stones. 412 00:26:57,990 --> 00:27:03,230 What I saw of him was basically the back of him, and he had like an old 413 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:04,670 -fashioned shovel. 414 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,220 Amy, is that what you saw? 415 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,580 Yes, that's what I saw. 416 00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:38,160 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 417 00:27:39,050 --> 00:27:42,990 We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first 418 00:27:42,990 --> 00:27:43,990 time. 419 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:47,450 So, guys, this is Amy. She's going to be doing the reveal from another room so 420 00:27:47,450 --> 00:27:49,950 she can focus on the dead in your case without any distractions. 421 00:27:50,550 --> 00:27:52,470 Amy, this is Brooke and her daughter, Michaela. 422 00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:58,610 Now, Brooke is a single mom who lives here with her 4 -year -old daughter, 423 00:27:58,810 --> 00:28:01,510 and her 9 -year -old son, Kingston. 424 00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:07,290 Now, Michaela used to live here, but she had some terrible experiences and moved 425 00:28:07,290 --> 00:28:11,830 out. But now, for financial reasons, she has to move back in with her two -year 426 00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:13,890 -old. And she doesn't think it's going to be safe. 427 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:15,430 And that's why they call this in. 428 00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:19,130 Unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll tell us about her walk. 429 00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:29,290 During my walk, I encountered four deceased people. The first ones that I 430 00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:32,430 to talk about are an older couple. 431 00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:34,750 I believe that it's a man and a wife. 432 00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:40,150 I could not really gather if they had lived here or not. 433 00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:45,690 They were both kind of, you know, on the heavier side because of their age 434 00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:51,450 mainly. They looked to be in their 60s, late 60s, early 70s, I think. 435 00:28:51,690 --> 00:28:54,990 I do believe the male died prior to the female. 436 00:28:55,910 --> 00:28:59,990 It's not a lot to go on, but a few things remind me of a guy who used to 437 00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:02,410 this property and lived on it with two different wives. 438 00:29:02,650 --> 00:29:04,150 His name was John Hartman. 439 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,980 Hartman came here from Transylvania, saved up and bought the property in 440 00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:14,300 Now, his time here was brutal. In 1919, his first wife died from pneumonia. She 441 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:15,460 was only 27 years old. 442 00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:19,700 But he quickly remarried. His new wife was named Johanna. 443 00:29:19,940 --> 00:29:22,580 Now, you said the man died before the woman. 444 00:29:22,900 --> 00:29:26,300 In 1940, John was diagnosed with a kidney disease. 445 00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:28,260 He suffered for 10 long years. 446 00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:33,790 Now, in 1950, John Hartman died right here on the property. He was 63 years 447 00:29:33,790 --> 00:29:35,950 when he died. That's his death certificate here. 448 00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:39,510 Now, after John's death, 449 00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:46,450 Johanna lived here for another 34 years. She died in 1984 at a local hospital, 450 00:29:46,530 --> 00:29:51,390 and she was 86 years old. Is it possible that's the dead couple you ran into? 451 00:29:51,650 --> 00:29:53,630 You know, it's definitely a possibility. 452 00:29:58,060 --> 00:29:59,200 Okay, what else we got? 453 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:05,520 Now I'm going to discuss the other two individuals that are here. One of them 454 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,600 a murderer, and one of them is his victim. 455 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,020 The victim, the female, is in a very decomposed state. 456 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:21,040 I saw her in this room and going upstairs and to the right. 457 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:22,780 That's your room, Brooke? 458 00:30:22,980 --> 00:30:23,980 Yes. 459 00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:26,820 She's trying to get help from you. 460 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:30,690 And the reason why is because you're a sensitive. 461 00:30:32,650 --> 00:30:36,070 But you've really shut that down. 462 00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:39,210 Sorry. 463 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:46,190 What's going on? Like she said, I feel stuff, but I just shut it down. 464 00:30:47,010 --> 00:30:50,750 I only discussed that with myself. I've told nobody in this world. 465 00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:53,870 Nobody. Not even you. 466 00:30:54,890 --> 00:30:59,930 She really wants to tell her story and to move on. 467 00:31:00,290 --> 00:31:04,750 The murderer, the killer guy, does not want her to talk. 468 00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:10,790 When she tries to communicate with you, he gets pissed off and they fight and 469 00:31:10,790 --> 00:31:14,970 you're picking up on it via emotion and you're getting panicked and freaked out. 470 00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:19,550 Now, the anxiety is something that's a real issue. Tell Amy how that goes. 471 00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:20,890 So it just hits. 472 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,520 I could just walk into a room, and I feel a sense of something's not right, 473 00:31:25,660 --> 00:31:31,080 something's bad, and I go into really bad anxiety. 474 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:32,440 It makes sense. 475 00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,100 Now, you said this murder victim tries to get Brooke's attention. 476 00:31:37,700 --> 00:31:38,700 What does she do? 477 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,820 I did see her touching, so, like, caressing the hair and the face. 478 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,100 She's just trying to get your attention. 479 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:53,090 So a week after we moved in, I was walking through the living room, and 480 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:57,090 grabbed my purse strap, and it took me back a couple feet. 481 00:31:57,490 --> 00:32:00,870 I asked her to demonstrate on me, and I knew she was pretty hard. 482 00:32:01,090 --> 00:32:03,790 Yeah, I mean, I'm 220 pounds, and she pulled me. 483 00:32:04,030 --> 00:32:08,250 Wow. The other thing is, when you got scratched, tell her about that. 484 00:32:08,550 --> 00:32:13,730 So I was giving my daughter a bath, and it felt like someone poured acid on my 485 00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:15,730 arm. And when I... 486 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:21,670 Brought my arms out. There were huge scratches going down my arms. I got a 487 00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:22,670 right here to show you. 488 00:32:24,450 --> 00:32:27,170 Could that be this woman trying to get her attention or is that something else? 489 00:32:27,410 --> 00:32:30,290 That's more than likely the killer. 490 00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:32,170 Ah. Yeah. 491 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:37,410 So since we're talking about physical, I want to talk about Novi. 492 00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:39,190 You had given me a video. 493 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:40,810 I want to show it to Amy. 494 00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:51,830 When you were in mommy's bed, was it tickling your feet or just touched your 495 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:52,830 feet? 496 00:32:52,930 --> 00:32:56,150 It was tickling my feet and touching my feet. 497 00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:59,150 That would more than likely be the female. 498 00:33:01,550 --> 00:33:02,890 It makes me very nervous. 499 00:33:03,610 --> 00:33:07,110 And the fact that I'm bringing my daughter and I'm seeing this with my 500 00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:08,230 sister, it already breaks my heart. 501 00:33:11,030 --> 00:33:14,170 As far as this killer goes, any idea who he might have been when he was alive? 502 00:33:15,030 --> 00:33:21,970 According to him, this murder, he was able to keep secret when he was alive. 503 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:27,370 I believe that he might have lived here. I'm thinking that he may have lived 504 00:33:27,370 --> 00:33:28,370 with his mother. 505 00:33:28,590 --> 00:33:32,710 He has a deep fear of Catholicism. 506 00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:39,670 And I got that he may have had some type of government job, like a mailman or 507 00:33:39,670 --> 00:33:43,910 something. What you're talking about makes me think of the brother of John 508 00:33:43,910 --> 00:33:45,740 Hartman. that owned the property. 509 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,120 Now, his name was Michael, and he and John bought three lots of property here 510 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,480 together back in 1916. 511 00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:57,200 One of the lots was supposed to be for John, the other for Michael, and the 512 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,860 third was supposed to be for the widowed mother, so she could live here. 513 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,480 Now, you said the killer was afraid of Catholicism. As I mentioned, this family 514 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,480 was from Transylvania. 515 00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:10,040 Apparently, it's an extremely Catholic region of Romania. 516 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,570 But like you said, Michael had a government job. He drove a library 517 00:34:14,949 --> 00:34:19,110 But as far as murdering someone, I got nothing on that. 518 00:34:19,389 --> 00:34:20,969 He kept it a secret in life. 519 00:34:21,850 --> 00:34:25,550 All of the boxes are coming together with him. 520 00:34:25,929 --> 00:34:27,590 With the Catholicism and all that? 521 00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:28,810 Yeah. 522 00:34:32,130 --> 00:34:37,949 When I went down into the basement, he is burying her. 523 00:34:38,350 --> 00:34:44,409 This happens over and over and over again because she gets out. 524 00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:49,770 And that's when she's coming to you and trying to talk to you. And then he's got 525 00:34:49,770 --> 00:34:54,790 to get her and put her back in the grave like he just wants her gone. 526 00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:58,450 I did have a sketch done of this situation. 527 00:34:59,730 --> 00:35:00,810 This should be interesting. 528 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,960 This is creepy. 529 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,280 Michaela, that's your new space in the house, isn't it? Oh, no. 530 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:23,660 Like, that's terrible and terrifying. 531 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,300 Like, that's supposed to be happening, like, where I'm supposed to be living 532 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:28,300 with my child? 533 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,020 And the basement? Like, that's his place. He doesn't want any of the living 534 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,020 there? 535 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,180 So does this killer do anything, interact with these guys? 536 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:44,900 I did get that he on occasion will watch the females bathing or showering. 537 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,720 That was the two spots actually was the basement and the shower where I 538 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:51,900 constantly felt watched. 539 00:35:53,580 --> 00:36:00,080 I saw that he at one point got into a rage and it literally felt like the 540 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,800 shook. Like it was like this. 541 00:36:03,660 --> 00:36:05,340 Brooke, have you heard anything like that? 542 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:09,960 Yes. Very obnoxious banging for about 20 to 30 minutes. 543 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,580 What? That long? 544 00:36:11,940 --> 00:36:13,000 Yeah. Holy smoke. 545 00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:20,340 He is pretty active in one of the bedrooms, which is the one directly 546 00:36:20,340 --> 00:36:22,160 from here. So that's Kingston's room? 547 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,120 Yeah. I did think it was a boy. 548 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,960 I got that he was, like, excited for us to be here because he is tired and 549 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,520 scared of all of these experiences that he has had. And he felt like he wasn't 550 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,280 being taken seriously, and that frustrated him. 551 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,760 Oh, Kingston. 552 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,260 I'm a little blown away by that. 553 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:49,680 So, Amy, here's what you need to know. Kingston was having problems at school, 554 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,720 and he told his teachers that he was seeing three different dead children. 555 00:36:54,570 --> 00:36:58,850 Here at the house. He told them two were nice and one not so much. 556 00:36:59,210 --> 00:37:03,550 The reason we're here is because those teachers called Brooke and told her to 557 00:37:03,550 --> 00:37:04,950 have us come in and investigate. 558 00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:10,390 I was upset because he never told me. He never opened up. And when I asked him, 559 00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:13,050 he said, I wanted to protect you. 560 00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:19,690 Who are these kids that he might be talking to? He might be perceiving the 561 00:37:19,690 --> 00:37:21,490 couple of the two friendly children. 562 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:25,880 Okay. And maybe perceiving the other kid who's bad is the killer. 563 00:37:28,300 --> 00:37:32,300 I interviewed him, and he seems to be holding back. Something else, he's not 564 00:37:32,300 --> 00:37:33,300 telling me everything. 565 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:37,360 Everything that's going on here is about keeping your mouth shut. 566 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,040 That's the killer's MO. 567 00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:45,680 That's what he's doing to this woman. I mean, that's, like, the whole thing here 568 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,460 is keep your mouth shut. 569 00:37:49,420 --> 00:37:55,880 I think that the killer has targeted him because he has medium 570 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,880 abilities. 571 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400 I think the killer feels a threat that he could get him out of here. He could 572 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,220 push him out and expose his secret. 573 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,580 There was one situation. 574 00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:07,800 It was really dark. 575 00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:10,420 He was hearing footsteps coming down the hallway. 576 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,320 And then the doors opening and then there's like this black mist. 577 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,060 kind of rolling into the room. 578 00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:31,420 The feeling was just rage and aggression and very threatening. So it seems 579 00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:35,020 like he definitely is getting off on torturing him as well. 580 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:37,780 This poor kid is going through hell. 581 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:43,300 What kind of mother am I to bring my daughter somewhere where I know is not 582 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:44,300 safe? 583 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:08,510 So, Brooke, you know why Kingston's been having all these issues. And Michaela, 584 00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:10,150 you know why the basement freaks you out. 585 00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:14,070 So it's time to answer the big question. Is there anything you guys can do about 586 00:39:14,070 --> 00:39:16,450 this? And if so, what's it going to take? 587 00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:18,590 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 588 00:39:21,750 --> 00:39:28,390 What I would like to see happen is for a male medium who is a 589 00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:30,710 practicing Catholic, they'll come here. 590 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,320 And they will engage with the killer and move him on. 591 00:39:36,940 --> 00:39:43,380 Once he is gone, I feel that the female will be able to finally see 592 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:45,600 clearly her way out. 593 00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:50,680 Once that's done, the older couple will leave. 594 00:39:51,500 --> 00:39:54,140 So once they get rid of this, the killer, right? 595 00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,600 Michaela can move in or does she need to wait a while? Yeah, no, she can totally 596 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,600 move in. Yeah. 597 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,759 I'll be gone. 598 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,200 The lady will be gone. 599 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:03,560 Everybody will be gone. 600 00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:05,900 How do you feel about that? 601 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:07,240 Relief. 602 00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:11,320 I'm happy about this. 603 00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:12,540 Me too. 604 00:40:12,740 --> 00:40:18,120 We are also dealing with abilities here and functioning, and I am concerned 605 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:23,500 about your health. It would be really great if you could be a Reiki 606 00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:28,820 practitioner. You have a lot of stuff that needs to get out of your body. 607 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:36,120 And then with Kingston, we need to create a lot of safe spaces for him. 608 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:42,660 So what I would like is for him to see a child therapist who's open to this. 609 00:40:43,020 --> 00:40:45,220 I know Kingston was your number one concern. 610 00:40:45,540 --> 00:40:50,800 The behavior was not him. I felt like something was, there's more to it. 611 00:40:51,060 --> 00:40:52,060 But now you know why. 612 00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:52,899 Now I know why. 613 00:40:52,900 --> 00:40:54,420 Do you feel relieved by that? I do. 614 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:57,120 I do. 615 00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:58,800 You're going to do what she says, right? 616 00:40:59,180 --> 00:41:01,680 A hundred percent. Are you kidding me? 617 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,040 You look much better. 618 00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:09,800 This is huge for us and our family. I appreciate you guys more than I could 619 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,460 express. Seriously. 620 00:41:14,250 --> 00:41:18,910 I really hope Brooke contacts a medium to remove the killer and the other dead 621 00:41:18,910 --> 00:41:23,930 trapped inside her home. If she does that and finds a therapist for Kingston, 622 00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:28,490 well as a Reiki master for herself, I believe this family will find the peace 623 00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:29,890 and happiness they deserve. 624 00:41:36,430 --> 00:41:37,690 We took your advice. 625 00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:43,490 We did everything that you have put together for us that would help us, and 626 00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:48,410 worked. As you can see now, my beautiful daughter is finally moving down to the 627 00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:52,690 basement, and we have been renovating it. Yeah, I couldn't appreciate you 628 00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:56,710 I feel 100 % comfortable down here, and it's definitely because of your guys' 629 00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:58,650 help. Thank you, guys. 630 00:41:59,030 --> 00:42:00,030 Thank you. 55677

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