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Something horrible is going on.
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This person is seeing dead people being
around the bed.
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The thing got in bed with me and put
their arm around me.
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What do you think is here? I think
there's a demon here.
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It is taking pieces of them.
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There was even some reports of people
doing some weird rituals out here.
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This thing is very bad. Go pack your
stuff now.
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Bad, bad, bad, bad.
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It wants the person dead.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people. I saw a winged
creature.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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This person feels like a monster.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They are sucking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York
City homicide detective.
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So how many bodies are we talking? And I
know every person, every house has
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secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But
Steve and I never speak.
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We never communicate during an
investigation.
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Until the very end.
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You're not going to like this.
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When we uncover if it saved you to stay.
I'm sorry, I need to take a break.
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Or time to get out. It wants inside the
house because it wants to kill you.
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I'm in Oxnard, California. It's a
beachside city about an hour and a half
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Los Angeles.
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A woman named Kelly called me in.
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She sounded bad.
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She thinks whatever's in the house
killed her husband and her father.
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And she's convinced it's still out for
blood.
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I need help. I want to cleanse this
house because, honestly, I can't take
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more of it.
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Hopefully, Amy and I can help before
anyone else gets hurt.
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This interesting place.
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I don't like it.
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This is a not good area.
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Ugh.
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I don't like it.
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I don't know why.
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Oh, bad, bad, bad, bad. Bad, bad, bad,
bad, bad.
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Kelly, glad I'm here because when we
spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty
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angry. Correct.
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What's going on?
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Whatever's in this house, I feel like
it's going to eventually kill me. I feel
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like it killed my father and my late
husband.
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That's pretty strong of a statement that
you're telling me.
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Let's start with your father.
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Why do you say that?
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Because the way he died.
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How it happened, he was like me and you,
talking, happy, laughing, carrying on
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with his life. And then he got the
diagnosis, and basically he went
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evening, and I couldn't wake him up.
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So he passed away in the house?
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Correct. So what was the diagnosis?
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Lymphoma cancer.
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Okay, how old was he? He was 89 years
old.
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Okay. Your late husband, tell me what
happened there.
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Found him dead in the...
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Bedroom. Okay, how old was he?
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45. 45 -year -old men don't just drop
dead.
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He died of an overdose.
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Okay, I lost a brother to an overdose.
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And I found him. I know what that's
like. It's not easy to deal with. And
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sorry that did happen to you. Thank you.
Do you feel the paranormal here
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influenced him to start using again?
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Yes, I do.
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He had been clean and sober for about a
year.
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You look real happy in this photo.
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Yeah.
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How long have you lived here?
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I was born and raised here. Okay. Then I
moved away, and then I came back about
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eight years ago.
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Okay. Who all lives in the house, Kelly?
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My daughter, Sarah. She's 15. My mother,
she's 71.
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And myself.
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So let me ask you a question. I noticed
that you had a bed set up in the living
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room. I'm assuming that's for your mom.
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Correct. She had a stroke about eight
years ago.
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How bad is her health right now?
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Well, she can't walk. She's paralyzed.
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Completely on her left side.
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Okay. Her mind isn't as sharp as it used
to be.
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Lately, the last couple weeks, she's
actually has said that my father and her
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father has been visiting her. I asked
her, what did they say?
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Why are they here?
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And she said that they just came to tell
her that everything's going to be okay.
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What do you take from that?
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She's going to be checking out pretty
soon.
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How are you holding up with that?
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I just try to be strong and not cry. I
don't want to, you know, I guess show
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that I'm weak.
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Because whatever is here, my full strong
belief is that it gets a kick out of
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that, out of my emotion.
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And I can't show that.
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What do you think is here?
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I think there's a demon here.
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Why not just walk away from this madness
that's going on here? My father built
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this house.
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Okay. I was born in this house. And out
of respect for my father, I want to stay
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here and fight.
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I can understand that.
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I feel very drained in here.
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There's like this little woman, petite,
very thin, like gray -white hair.
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Just like no energy, frail, confused.
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She goes in and out of here. I'm
wondering, like, is she still alive or
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did she die?
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She's so heavy with, like, confusion
and, like, a lot of nausea associated
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with her, too. Like, very sick.
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I keep hearing 78 with her.
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I'm assuming that's her age.
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And I do feel something potentially with
her heart.
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Yeah, I think the living would certainly
get sick in here.
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I got to get out. I got to get out of
this room.
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Why did you bring me into this room?
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This is where my father passed.
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Okay. How long ago did your father pass?
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A year ago. Okay, so he was in bed here?
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Yes. Basically, he came up from
downstairs, came to bed, and really kind
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never woke up.
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Okay, but you were here in the room with
him when he passed?
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Correct. I'm curious, though. Do you
think he's still here at all?
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I don't believe so. Okay.
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Do you like that he's not here, or do
you wish he was?
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No. He needs to be where he needs to be.
Okay.
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There's an older male here.
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Is it like a hot attack with him?
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I'm assuming he lived here at some
point.
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I don't know if he owned this house or
if it was family. He seems fairly
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Maybe the 90s or 2000s.
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He seems frustrated.
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He wants out.
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He doesn't like it.
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I think he's pissed. He's just upset. I
don't know. He's an angry guy.
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He likes it outside, out back.
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He feels like he's been pushed out.
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He's like, everything's gone to... So
what, if any, experiences are you having
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in the house?
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Right after my dad died, I heard his
voice say, I'm cold.
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I am cold.
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So, I'm cold. Does that mean anything to
you? That's what he had told me before
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he was dying.
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And you're confident it was your
father's voice?
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I'm confident it was his voice, but it
was not him.
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It was demonic.
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That's actually when I knew then and
there that this thing is straight -up
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All right, so anything else?
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I see shadow figures throughout the
house.
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All right, so give me an example.
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One time I was sleeping in Sarah's room,
and I woke up, some large shadow
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standing over me.
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So how big are we talking?
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I feel about this tall.
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Okay. About yay wide.
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It's touching me like here.
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Caressing you? Yep.
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Doing this.
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Oh. What else is going on?
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Well, I have dreams about this demon
-looking thing, and I just call it a
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Can you describe it for me?
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Yes. He crawls on all fours. His body is
bruised all over.
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All right. And his face is kind of
disfigured. So in your dream, when you
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this thing, does it appear like it wants
to hurt you?
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Yeah.
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In what way?
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Physically, mentally, emotionally.
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I honestly don't know how you live in
here.
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Me neither.
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I'm seeing that old dying woman.
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And she's looking in the mirror and
talking to herself.
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I think she opened some sort of gateway.
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I got this thing. It looks burned or
really old or both.
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Kept trying to absorb my energy. I think
that thing can come and go through the
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mirror. There are also random dead
people coming out of the mirror.
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So I'm thinking these aren't the best
people.
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I think the living would feel that
intention, that negative darkness.
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They're introducing stuff.
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The living?
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Yeah. So they're being drained, the dead
people in the mirror, for taking their
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energy.
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Now, the scary thing there is that when
that's happening, when the dead are
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doing this, it's not only just the
person's energy, it's like their
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their memories.
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This is negative and bad.
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So, Jennifer, I understand you used to
live here. Yes.
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Talking to your mom, she's convinced
that the paranormal killed your
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grandfather, killed her late husband,
and is looking to kill somebody else in
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this home.
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I want to know what you think about her,
or is she overreacting with what she's
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thinking? No, I don't think she's
overreacting at all.
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I'm worried something's going to happen
to her.
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Okay, so I got to assume you've had
experiences here. I have.
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There's something here that makes people
angry and fight.
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Me and my husband, we would start
fighting, arguing.
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Was that the cause of you moving away
from here?
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Yeah. I had to get out of this house
because I felt like this house was just
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destroying the marriage, really.
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Okay, so anything else?
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I was actually living in here at the
time, in this room. My son was sick all
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night. He was about maybe five, six
months old, and I was, you know, trying
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comfort him. But right when I did that,
I literally got punched in my back.
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You realize how dangerous that was? Are
you holding a newborn and getting
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punched like that?
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Yes, it was very dangerous.
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Okay, so that was pretty intense.
Anything else?
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One time I was washing my son's bottle
in the kitchen. Okay.
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And there's a window above the sink. I
happened to glance up and I seen an
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lady in like a vintage nightgown. It
scared the crap out of me. If you saw a
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photo or a portrait, did you recognize
her?
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Yes, actually. Me and my mom were going
through old family photos one time, and
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I was like, who is this? This is the
lady who I've seen standing behind me.
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who was it? It was actually my mom's
grandma.
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So your great -grandmother? Mm -hmm.
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Interesting.
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I see a woman.
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She's like a shadow woman.
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Shadow woman is very present in here.
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She's coming from outside.
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When living people see her, they see a
shadow person.
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She has a dark side.
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Like, I see her getting angry and
yelling.
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And when she doesn't get her way, she's
got a violent temper.
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I see her banging on the walls, banging
on the bed.
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So, Sarah, this is a pretty cool room.
Thank you.
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Would you rather move from here or would
you rather stay if we could fix it?
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I like living here, but if we have to
move, I wouldn't mind it. How about
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experiences that you've had?
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Can you tell me about them?
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I just honestly have the worst
nightmares.
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So tell me about some of them.
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I've had some where, like... I'm being
held down. I can't move.
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Right. Or, like, I'm being choked.
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Like, a lot of them would just be, like,
I'm being, like, suffocated.
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I mean, just thinking about that's got
me.
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Yeah. Trying to breathe.
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So do you wake up from all this anxiety?
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Yeah. I always feel, like, really,
really scared.
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So you laugh when you're nervous, right?
Yes.
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I can see that.
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Okay. So you're nervous right now. Yeah.
I don't like talking about that.
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Oh, okay.
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What else is going on?
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One time.
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I was laying in bed right here and
something came in and walked around to
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other side of the bed and then got in
bed with me and put their arm around me
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and then got up and walked out.
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Did you think you were dreaming?
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No. This was like very, very for real.
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I don't want that to happen to you ever
again because if it can do that, who
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knows what else it can do.
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Still attacks happening.
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This is an actual living person who's
getting, like, attacked.
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This person is seeing dead people, I
believe, coming out the
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closet.
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I just see a bunch of people coming out
the closet, being around the bed.
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So I think this person's a medium, and
they just opened up the vortex up in
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their closet, and so dead people are
coming in.
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That thing. The one that I saw coming
through the mirror, they see it. And I
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think that scares them the most. And
then it comes down on the bed.
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So what does it look like?
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It's pretty big. The skin is weird. The
skin's like burnt or like mummified,
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kind of like a gray -brown color.
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And it's got really long hands.
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Super skinny, not anatomically correct.
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Is this thing?
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Dangerous? Living?
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Yeah, because it can take energy. It is
taking pieces of them.
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It's taking their memories and that's
kind of breaking them down mentally.
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So it's like a monster, really.
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It wasn't hard to figure out where to
start this investigation.
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There's an old cemetery right by Kelly's
house. In fact, you can see it from her
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kitchen. So I called a local author who
says the place has a long and sad
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history that I'm definitely going to
want to know about.
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So, Connie, I've got to thank you for
helping me out with this case and
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me here.
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This cemetery looks pretty run down.
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What can you tell me about it?
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Well, this is the Masonic Guyanini
Cemetery.
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Okay. It was established in 1898.
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You can't tell by the way it looks now,
but it was once a lush cemetery.
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All right, so this place has been here
over 120 years, it sounds like. So who
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built it? The original board of
directors, Winfield Saviors. Okay. A
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named Achilles Levy. Okay.
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And a former senator, Thomas Barth.
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You probably saw some of these names on
the street signs around town.
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Actually, I have. So some of those names
you mentioned to me, are those people
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buried here at all?
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Yes, they are. The Saviors family is
actually located over there. Okay. And
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their young son, Jack, is also buried
right there.
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Okay, so any idea how many people are
buried here?
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Originally, it was 360 plus.
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Okay. But the current owner says it's
more like 50 to 60.
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All right, so what happened to the rest
of those bodies?
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In 1908, they separated the cemetery.
Over there, they separated the Japanese.
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There's about 140 people buried in that
cemetery. And along the tree line are
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burials of Mexican -Americans.
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Okay, so if I got this right, they
didn't want any white people buried in
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same cemetery with Japanese or Mexican
people as well. That is correct.
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Not for nothing, but this place is a
mess.
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I mean, is anybody even being buried
here anymore?
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No, the last burial was in 1949.
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Okay. Since then, there's been vandalism
going on, people have stolen
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headstones, and there was even some
reports of people doing some weird
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out here.
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Really? Yes. But yet, names of these
people that are buried here are all over
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the city.
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Correct. But they don't think twice
about their resting site.
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Yeah, it's a shame.
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I get to the...
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cemetery area and i see this huge hole
and i had to
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fight like to try to keep myself from
being sucked into the hole and it's dark
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and it's negative and it takes people or
rather their energy down this is
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negative and bad connie mentioned that
one of the graves
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belonged to a kid from a prominent
family here So I called the local
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teacher who says that's true and that
the boy's death was a tragic fluke
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accident.
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Well, Chris, I appreciate you coming out
and helping me out with this case.
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Before we get to this kid's tragic
death, this prominent family, what can
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tell me about?
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The Saviors. The Saviors have been here
for over 100 years.
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Okay. A powerful family.
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During your research of this family, did
anything stand out with them that might
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help my case?
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Yeah, the matriarch of the family,
Charlotte, stands out. She was from
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Massachusetts, and she came through Iowa
in the 1880s, and she married Charles
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Saviors in 1888.
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Here in California.
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Here in California. And what's more
interesting about that is it was a
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wedding.
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Okay, so back in those days, that had to
be a big deal. Pretty scandalous,
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right? That is pretty scandalous at the
time.
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It just doesn't happen.
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All right, so they obviously have one
child. Did they have any more?
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Well, they had a total of four.
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In this 1900 census, it shows that four
children.
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All right, so who's this kid Jack buried
by my client's house?
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He is the only child of her son Walter
and his wife Margaret. So what happened
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to this kid Jack?
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Ah, that is pretty sad.
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Jack is at his grandmother's and
grandfather's house playing around a
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the wagon has bales of hay in it. Two
fall off, crush his skull, and break his
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arm. How old was he?
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Four years old.
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Oh, geez.
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All right, so when did this happen?
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Happened in 1918.
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Did he die instantly?
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He died a week later on February 1,
1918.
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Here's an article on it.
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So this poor kid suffered for a week.
Oh, yes.
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So talking about Charlotte and her
grandchild and it happened on their
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She must have been, you know, destroyed
from the guilt. Yeah, you have to be
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devastated. That family had to tear him
apart.
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It just goes to show that if you got
money and you're powerful, it doesn't
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a tragedy like this from happening.
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I'm seeing the shadow woman again.
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She.
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You know, came from back east.
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From the east, she went to the Dakotas,
and then she walked here.
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She said she slept her way here, and she
was laughing.
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So I kind of think she was like a
hooker.
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The year 1918 is very important for her.
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Like, I feel like horrible, something
horrible is going on.
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Ugh. I'm scared.
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I am scared.
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So far, I've got a client who thinks the
paranormal killed her father and her
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husband on a property near a vandalized
cemetery where strange rituals were
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done. But I want to see if there's
anything else.
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Searching through old records, I find a
brutal triple murder that happened just
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down the road from Kelly's house.
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I've reached out to a retired detective.
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He looked into this homicide for me and
said the senseless triple murder was
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about two things, revenge and money.
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So, Mike, I appreciate you helping me
out with this case.
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This homicide, who would have played?
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So you have an Oxnard ranch family.
Okay.
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Swiss immigrant Peter Fuhrer, his wife
Bertha. Okay. And they have an infant
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daughter, Virginia, 10 months old.
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What did you find out about these people
in general? I mean, what's their story?
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The ranch actually was pretty
successful.
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Peter employed a number of ranch hands.
Okay. One of those ranch hands was named
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Louis 14.
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Unfortunately, Louie was not a good
ranch hand, and Peter ended up firing
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All right. I see where this might be
going.
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What happened? As an act of revenge, he
went and cashed a $250 check in Peter's
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name. All right. So what happens next?
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A couple weeks go by, and he gets real
nervous about getting caught. So he
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back to the ranch.
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He finds Peter in the barn.
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proceeds to find a metal pipe and hit
him over the head with it and kill him.
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So what's he do after that?
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Well, he decides that there are some
more loose ends, so he goes into the
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and he finds Bertha, and he hits her
over the head with the same metal pipe
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kills her as well.
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00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,240
Okay, so now we got the baby left.
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Yes, and unfortunately, he didn't know
what to do with the baby, so he decided
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that he was going to end her life as
well.
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Same metal pipe.
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And she's 10 months old, right? Yes.
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This sick...
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He doesn't know what to do with the kid
and just kills her? Yeah. Like this
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temetho is going to identify him?
Absolutely, yeah. I have all three death
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certificates here as well for the
family, all indicating death by homicide
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a metal pipe. So the cause of death is
the same for all three of them? Correct.
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So he comes back later, though. He
decides he's not finished, so he brings
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of kerosene with him.
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He moves all three family members into
one room, and then he spreads out the
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kerosene and proceeds to light the house
on fire.
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All right. So they tracked this guy
down? Tracked him down, brought him in
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questioning. And under questioning by
the sheriff, he admits to all three
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homicides. Did he go to trial or did he
just plea out? Went to trial and was
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found guilty.
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Sentenced him to death by hanging.
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All right. So he's found guilty and sent
away. Where'd he go? He went to San
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Quentin. I have his mugshot right here.
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Well, I can't believe you got this
mugshot from 1916.
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Look at the dates. The crime committed
in March 1916 hung in the gallows that
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July. That was the justice system back
then.
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What a piece of... Huh?
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I'm hearing, like, a man just, like,
barking.
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I'm, like, scared. I'm scared. I'm
scared.
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00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,880
Ah! Something about a fire.
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Like, a little piece of this person is
left.
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I think that the living would feel this
panic and fear, like they're
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being watched around in here, and
feeling stalked.
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And feeling a lot of pain, like a pain,
horrible pain in my side, pain in my
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neck, pain in my jaw.
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So what exactly might the living pick up
off of this pain?
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Sudden, like, stabbing feeling in the
side.
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Horrible neck pain.
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00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:05,660
Horrible jaw pain.
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Oh, God. And back.
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00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,120
Yeah, wicked, wicked back pain.
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00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,840
Ooh, ooh, ooh.
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Like, wicked all through here.
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Horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible.
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I saw several horrifying things on my
walk, but
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two stood out. First, the dead guy who
got pushed out to the backyard.
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He was, like, bald on top.
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Late 70s, early 80s mustache.
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So, pretty thick.
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Does he have any markings or scars on
his face?
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It seems like he had rough skin on his
cheeks.
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00:26:45,010 --> 00:26:48,750
Next, I described the thing climbing
into bed with a living woman.
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00:26:49,170 --> 00:26:53,490
Its skin is strange. It looks gray.
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00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:57,990
It's got abnormally long limbs.
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Definitely like an elongated skull.
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00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:09,150
Amy, is this what you saw?
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Yes, that's what I thought.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations, we're ready to reveal
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findings to each other.
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and our clients for the first time.
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So guys, this is Amy.
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She's going to be doing the reveal from
another room where she can concentrate
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on your case and the dead without any
distraction.
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00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:53,710
Amy, meet Kelly.
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She's the one that called us in.
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She lives here with her 71 -year -old
mom, who unfortunately is not doing too
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well health -wise, and her 15 -year -old
daughter, Sarah.
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This is Jennifer, one of Kelly's other
daughters.
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She grew up here and got the hell out
because of all the stuff that was going
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on. And she wishes the rest of the
family would do the same, actually.
463
00:28:16,420 --> 00:28:21,260
So unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll tell us about her walk.
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00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:29,740
So I have to say that this was a very
active walk.
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The first thing that I want to discuss
is a deceased woman.
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She did have an accent. She told me she
was from back east.
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She had traveled to first apparently the
Dakotas, and then she kind of said that
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she slept her way here. I took that as
her potentially being a
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prostitute. She did mention a few times
the year 1918, the living
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may see her in the shadow form.
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The problem is, is she actually does
have a dark side.
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Basically, if she doesn't get her way,
that's when she kind of lashes out and
473
00:29:11,380 --> 00:29:12,560
becomes a bit violent.
474
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,740
I see her banging on the wall, banging
on the bed.
475
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:23,200
You didn't tell me about seeing shadows.
476
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:29,400
Yes. Standing over me while I was
sleeping and have been, you know,
477
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,960
touched. What about the banging noises?
478
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,360
Does that make any sense to you? Sure
does.
479
00:29:35,130 --> 00:29:37,050
The bed would move, shake.
480
00:29:37,650 --> 00:29:41,790
So that shadow woman you're talking
about reminds me of a woman that I came
481
00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:42,790
across in my research.
482
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:45,950
Her name was Charlotte, and she was
originally from New England.
483
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:50,310
Now, she came here to California in the
1880s by way of Iowa.
484
00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:54,190
In 1888, she married into the Saviors
family.
485
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:56,550
Wow.
486
00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:59,110
They're one of the most prominent
families in town.
487
00:29:59,350 --> 00:30:03,370
I don't know if you noticed, but there's
signs all over the place with their
488
00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:04,359
name on it.
489
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,280
Now, the shadow woman told you she might
have slept her way here. I think what
490
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,660
she might have meant was that she had to
have a shotgun wedding back in 1888.
491
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,060
And back then, that was scandalous.
492
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,060
Now, you also mentioned the year 1918,
which was very important to her.
493
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,420
So in late January of that year, her
four -year -old grandson was playing on
494
00:30:27,420 --> 00:30:30,500
farm. All of a sudden, two bales of hay.
495
00:30:31,470 --> 00:30:33,890
Came crushing down and landed on the
kid.
496
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:35,870
Fractured his skull.
497
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:39,190
The kid was only four years old, and he
died eventually about a week later.
498
00:30:40,010 --> 00:30:41,730
He's actually buried at the cemetery.
499
00:30:42,490 --> 00:30:44,190
You can throw a rock at it from here.
500
00:30:44,890 --> 00:30:46,550
Oh, what?
501
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:47,950
Yeah.
502
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:50,190
What kind of cemetery is it? It's a
mess.
503
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,030
It's in disrepair. There's headstones
everywhere, missing.
504
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:56,290
They think satanic groups might have
been in there doing some rituals.
505
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:57,710
Oh.
506
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:03,060
Okay, what else?
507
00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:10,420
The next dead person that I came into
contact with was initially in the living
508
00:31:10,420 --> 00:31:12,300
room. It's like the back of the house.
509
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:19,660
He is actually pretty recent. I would
have said 1990s or 2000s. I got
510
00:31:19,660 --> 00:31:22,500
that he died suddenly, I think from a
heart attack.
511
00:31:23,140 --> 00:31:26,100
And he's very upset and very frustrated.
512
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:28,940
So now he hangs out mostly in the
backyard.
513
00:31:29,900 --> 00:31:33,960
All right, so Amy, now's probably a good
time to tell you why Kelly called us
514
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,580
in. She believes that the house has
already killed two people she loves.
515
00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:42,440
Now, the first, that was her husband,
Ruben, who passed away here in the house
516
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,440
in 2007.
517
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:47,740
A photo of Ruben and Kelly.
518
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,940
He was a recovering addict.
519
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:57,060
He ended up using, he had been clean for
quite a while, and he overdosed.
520
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,240
in one of the back bedrooms.
521
00:32:00,060 --> 00:32:05,820
Now, the second death was last year, and
that was Kelly's dad.
522
00:32:06,420 --> 00:32:10,720
Now, he was 89, so I'm not so sure it
had something to do with the paranormal.
523
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,800
She's convinced that paranormal had a
lot to do with it. He wasn't your
524
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:16,920
89 -year -old man.
525
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Ah, got it.
526
00:32:19,340 --> 00:32:23,800
Actually, I have a picture of her dad,
and this is your late brother as well,
527
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:24,880
right? Correct.
528
00:32:31,450 --> 00:32:34,370
Okay. I had a sketch done of the person
that I saw.
529
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:36,870
Okay.
530
00:32:44,090 --> 00:32:48,650
Holly, tell me who you think this looks
like.
531
00:32:55,250 --> 00:32:56,390
Kind of looks like Danny.
532
00:32:57,970 --> 00:32:59,170
Danny was your brother, correct?
533
00:32:59,450 --> 00:33:00,450
Yeah.
534
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,480
Can you tell me the circumstances of him
passing?
535
00:33:04,020 --> 00:33:06,800
He passed away of a heart attack at the
age of 55.
536
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,500
How long ago was that?
537
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:12,020
11 months after my husband died.
538
00:33:12,380 --> 00:33:14,360
So 2008? 2008, yes.
539
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,880
Amy, you're thinking her brother's still
here?
540
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,320
Yes.
541
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:28,980
So the next person I'm going to talk
about is an older female.
542
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:33,620
This female may not be deceased. She may
be in the dying process.
543
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,620
So I was confused on if she was dead or
dying.
544
00:33:36,940 --> 00:33:41,380
I kept hearing 78 with her. She seemed
very frail and confused.
545
00:33:42,020 --> 00:33:46,400
I got something also going on with the
heart, and there's a lot of nausea
546
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,520
associated with her.
547
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,740
You guys think what I'm thinking?
548
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,520
My mother is 71 years old.
549
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,320
She...
550
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,800
went in for open -heart surgery and
suffered a stroke on the operating
551
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,920
she mentally okay?
552
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:04,880
Yeah, no, she's not.
553
00:34:05,660 --> 00:34:10,380
Okay. So, Amy, we're pretty convinced
it's Kelly's mom who's alive that you're
554
00:34:10,380 --> 00:34:13,179
dealing with a tear. Yeah, I'm sorry.
555
00:34:15,380 --> 00:34:17,060
I hate to even ask it, but what else?
556
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,159
Now, this is where things get a little
unusual.
557
00:34:21,699 --> 00:34:24,780
I saw a woman who was younger.
558
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,900
She looked like your mother, but
younger.
559
00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:33,860
Looking into a mirror with a candle, and
she was saying something into the
560
00:34:33,860 --> 00:34:39,820
mirror, and I could not hear it. When
she did that, she inadvertently opened
561
00:34:39,820 --> 00:34:42,100
a doorway through the mirror.
562
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:49,540
And now there's quite a few dead people
that kind of hang out in the
563
00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:54,800
mirrors. This is very concerning because
they can draw energy in from you.
564
00:34:55,150 --> 00:34:57,630
Okay? And that's what makes them
negative. All right?
565
00:34:57,970 --> 00:35:03,830
You guys may see people when you look in
the mirror, or you may catch people in
566
00:35:03,830 --> 00:35:07,670
movement out of the corner of your eyes
concerning any mirror in the house.
567
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:10,310
So you saw a reflection in the window.
568
00:35:10,530 --> 00:35:16,470
Yes. I was washing baby bottles, and I
was looking down, and I had, like,
569
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:21,050
glanced up above, you know, the window,
and I seen this old lady. She was
570
00:35:21,050 --> 00:35:22,810
standing on this side right behind me.
571
00:35:23,820 --> 00:35:28,280
I totally got creeped out. Like, hell
no. Tell Amy how you were able to find
572
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,660
who this woman was that you saw.
573
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:35,240
We were looking through old family
photos one time, and I happened to see
574
00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:36,940
lady that I've seen standing behind me.
575
00:35:37,740 --> 00:35:41,960
And I asked my mom who that was, and she
had mentioned that that was her
576
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,960
grandma.
577
00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:44,480
So your great -grandmother.
578
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:46,280
Was she ever in the house?
579
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:47,499
Oh, yeah.
580
00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:49,600
She was there, like, every day.
581
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,420
The thing that worried me was what I did
see coming out of the mirror.
582
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,640
I just called it the thing.
583
00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:59,260
It can come and go.
584
00:35:59,700 --> 00:36:00,700
Never alive.
585
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,600
Very bizarre looking.
586
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,040
Its skin was like burned looking.
587
00:36:07,380 --> 00:36:08,980
This thing is no good.
588
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,720
Very bad.
589
00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:16,650
It also takes energy like the bad dead
people, but more so.
590
00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:20,790
Tell her about being lethargic. I feel
like that all the time. Tired, drained,
591
00:36:21,010 --> 00:36:23,110
energy sucked out of me.
592
00:36:24,250 --> 00:36:30,630
The other thing that it's doing is it
can pick pieces of your personality out
593
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:32,970
and also your memories.
594
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:38,270
So, you said the thing. You and I kind
of look at each other.
595
00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:41,080
Well, that's... Exactly what I call it.
The thing.
596
00:36:41,980 --> 00:36:45,100
Exactly. Are you having any memory
problems?
597
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:46,479
Yeah.
598
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,100
You guys kind of looked at each other
when Amy mentioned about taking a piece
599
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:52,180
people's personalities. What was that
about?
600
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,820
What's up, Jennifer? Don't hold back.
601
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,160
Well, she's totally, she's totally
different when she's here.
602
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,840
Totally different.
603
00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:03,880
She's not herself.
604
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:06,440
Like, she gets mad very easily.
605
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:15,120
When I walked upstairs, I went into the
bedroom to the right.
606
00:37:15,500 --> 00:37:16,500
That's Sarah's room.
607
00:37:16,740 --> 00:37:20,480
The female, living female that I got in
there, I feel has abilities.
608
00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:25,420
Because of her abilities, there's
actually another vortex in the closet.
609
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:31,440
So what I saw going on up there were the
dead coming from the closet surrounding
610
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,820
the bed of this person, this female.
611
00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:37,360
These are dead people who want help.
612
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:44,040
But the problem is I saw the thing
there, too, and it changed, and it
613
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,440
much smaller, and it was crawling into
the bed with this person.
614
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,340
I did have a sketch done of what I saw
happen.
615
00:38:02,460 --> 00:38:05,280
You're not going to like seeing this.
616
00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:12,970
That's really sad.
617
00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:17,910
Creepy. It's creepy.
618
00:38:23,890 --> 00:38:27,210
She ever told you a story about
something and crawling into a bed with
619
00:38:27,450 --> 00:38:32,270
She came in, told me in the morning. She
asked me, hey, by any chance, did you
620
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:34,070
get in bed with me?
621
00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:37,470
And I said, no, I didn't.
622
00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:38,970
That's not good.
623
00:38:39,330 --> 00:38:41,430
I'm speechless, to be honest with you.
624
00:38:43,930 --> 00:38:46,990
You wanted to move out, get the hell out
of here. Now you must really want to
625
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:47,990
leave. Oh, yeah.
626
00:38:48,870 --> 00:38:49,870
Yes, I do.
627
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:51,610
Go pack your stuff now.
628
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:10,510
Well, I can't remember the last time
Amy...
629
00:39:10,890 --> 00:39:12,430
seen so much stuff in one house.
630
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:15,930
Clearly, it's a good thing you guys
called us in.
631
00:39:16,530 --> 00:39:21,870
Now the question is, is there anything
you can do to fight back and keep the
632
00:39:21,870 --> 00:39:22,870
house and your family?
633
00:39:23,570 --> 00:39:25,390
But for that answer, I'm going to turn
it over to Amy.
634
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:31,230
You can stay.
635
00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:38,270
But there's a lot, a lot of things that
need to be done and on a consistent
636
00:39:38,270 --> 00:39:41,700
basis. For you to be able to stay here
in peace.
637
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,440
I'm going to bring in a group of
sensitive, including some mediums.
638
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:52,000
The first thing that needs to happen is
for your brother to be moved on
639
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,000
comfortably.
640
00:39:53,260 --> 00:39:56,420
That'll go fairly quickly because he is
very ready to go.
641
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,180
So Amy, do you think the house had
anything to do with the death of Kelly's
642
00:40:00,180 --> 00:40:01,178
father and husband?
643
00:40:01,180 --> 00:40:02,180
No.
644
00:40:03,140 --> 00:40:04,140
Okay.
645
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,480
The second thing that needs to happen is
the large vortex,
646
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:17,380
where this thing is coming in and out of
the mirrors, needs to be shut
647
00:40:17,380 --> 00:40:19,200
and severed and sealed.
648
00:40:19,860 --> 00:40:24,760
So once that's done, they will seal the
other vortex upstairs.
649
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,780
In Sarah's room.
650
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:32,700
Yes. Closing these vortexes will keep
the dead and the thing from coming
651
00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:33,700
your home.
652
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:40,100
Next, there needs to be a barrier placed
around the house.
653
00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:46,640
Get a large bag of salt and take that
around the yard where your land ends.
654
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:53,560
The shadow woman is going to be pushed
out past your property line.
655
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:57,480
So she won't be able to get back in once
this barrier is put around.
656
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,640
I want the barrier redone every two
weeks for a year.
657
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:08,680
Well, it's a hell of a list.
658
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,300
Is this worth you staying here?
659
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,860
Yeah. It is? Yeah.
660
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,880
But you would rather see mom leave? Of
course. Yeah. Uh -huh. Yeah.
661
00:41:19,660 --> 00:41:24,540
But she's not, so I've got to live with
it, I guess. Yeah.
662
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,540
Mothers are stubborn. Mm -hmm.
663
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:34,760
I really hope Kelly follows my advice by
moving her brother on and closing the
664
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,240
vortexes inside her home.
665
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,200
Once she does that, she can put a
barrier around her property and live
666
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,780
peacefully in the house her father built
for many years to come.
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