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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,840 So there's been a guy around. 2 00:00:12,620 --> 00:00:17,900 He's definitely a creeper. It's an unusual amount of anger that he has. 3 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,020 When I had woken up, I was being choked. 4 00:00:21,420 --> 00:00:23,320 We have demons in this house. 5 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,380 Did he just jump you now? 6 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:27,340 Yeah. 7 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:31,020 There was bloody handprints all over. 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,380 He can jump into the body of living people. 9 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Yeah, sure. 10 00:00:37,140 --> 00:00:38,140 What's the matter? 11 00:00:39,150 --> 00:00:40,150 You're scared. 12 00:00:41,710 --> 00:00:42,870 This makes me nervous. 13 00:00:43,170 --> 00:00:44,250 He wants to kill them. 14 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:47,930 He wants the person dead. 15 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:49,830 My name is Amy Allen. 16 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:51,750 I see dead people. 17 00:00:51,970 --> 00:00:53,710 I saw a winged creature. 18 00:00:54,470 --> 00:00:57,970 I speak to dead people, and they speak to me. 19 00:00:58,670 --> 00:01:00,650 This person feels like a monster. 20 00:01:01,090 --> 00:01:05,630 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. They are sucking the 21 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:07,050 life out of these people. 22 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:09,210 I rely on my partner. 23 00:01:09,410 --> 00:01:12,690 I'm Steve DeShop. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:17,850 So how many bodies are we talking? And I know every person, every house has 25 00:01:17,850 --> 00:01:22,610 secrets. It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never 26 00:01:22,610 --> 00:01:25,570 communicate during an investigation. Until the very end. 27 00:01:26,050 --> 00:01:27,170 You're not going to like this. 28 00:01:27,490 --> 00:01:31,670 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 29 00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:36,270 Or time to get out. It wants inside the house because it wants to kill you. 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,080 I'm here in the desert city of Victorville, California. It's a couple 31 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:54,080 outside of Los Angeles. 32 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,900 It's hot as hell up here, but this was a case I just had to take. A desperate 33 00:01:58,900 --> 00:02:03,060 woman named Monette called, says whatever's in her house killed her 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:05,540 and if we can't help, it's going to kill again. 35 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:11,580 My granddaughter has been recently choked by a demon in her sleep. 36 00:02:12,220 --> 00:02:16,280 Monette sounds real shook up. I'm hoping Amy and I can find a way to help her 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:17,280 out. 38 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:35,600 The area has an extremely heavy, sad vibe. 39 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:44,480 Like maybe there had been a great loss at some point. The problem with 40 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:51,240 that is that the living could be susceptible to feeling this 41 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,000 sadness, this depression. 42 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Bad situation. 43 00:02:54,700 --> 00:02:55,780 Bad situation. 44 00:03:03,329 --> 00:03:05,990 So, Monette, this is a big, beautiful home you have here. 45 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:09,430 But when we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty upset. 46 00:03:09,750 --> 00:03:10,930 Why don't you tell me what's going on? 47 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:15,510 We have demons in this house, and it's a very dangerous place. 48 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:17,650 Demons is pretty specific. 49 00:03:19,270 --> 00:03:23,130 What makes you say it's demons? From the things I've seen and the things that 50 00:03:23,130 --> 00:03:25,850 are going on in this house, I don't think it could be anything else but. 51 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:30,370 Now, you also mentioned on the phone that the paranormal killed your 52 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:32,590 Yes. Tell me about that. 53 00:03:32,990 --> 00:03:37,630 His name was Thomas, and he was my really good friend and roommate, and we 54 00:03:37,630 --> 00:03:38,630 bought the house together. 55 00:03:38,710 --> 00:03:40,630 He died of a heart attack last year. 56 00:03:40,890 --> 00:03:41,890 How old was he? 57 00:03:42,110 --> 00:03:43,110 He was 81. 58 00:03:43,370 --> 00:03:46,490 A man's 81 years old. Dying from a heart attack is not uncommon. 59 00:03:48,290 --> 00:03:50,170 What makes you think it's paranormal related? 60 00:03:53,690 --> 00:03:55,250 It's upsetting for you to talk about it? 61 00:03:55,550 --> 00:04:00,730 He was my friend, and he was very healthy. It couldn't be anything else. 62 00:04:01,390 --> 00:04:03,670 We loved him very much, and we miss him. 63 00:04:04,550 --> 00:04:07,510 So, Monat, let's get to some basics. Who lives in the house? 64 00:04:08,690 --> 00:04:14,550 Okay. That's me, and then there's my 20 -year -old granddaughter, Paige, and on 65 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:16,990 the other side is Thomas' son, Stephen. 66 00:04:17,290 --> 00:04:20,450 Do me a favor. Give me a list of what you guys are experiencing here. 67 00:04:21,149 --> 00:04:22,510 Well, we're seeing shadow figures. 68 00:04:22,930 --> 00:04:27,670 People are being physically attacked, and we're having a lot of mood swings 69 00:04:27,670 --> 00:04:30,210 fatigue, and we're all getting sick. 70 00:04:30,859 --> 00:04:32,840 What kind of ailments are we talking about? 71 00:04:33,420 --> 00:04:35,020 Stephen also had a heart attack. 72 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:37,120 Okay, how old is he? 73 00:04:37,420 --> 00:04:38,500 He is 52. 74 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Ooh, okay. 75 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,000 What else? What about you and your granddaughter? 76 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,040 I have broken bones in my ankle and foot right now. I have no idea how they 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,560 happened. Okay, so you didn't have an accident and all of a sudden you got 78 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,259 broken bones? 79 00:04:51,260 --> 00:04:53,240 Exactly. What about your granddaughter? 80 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,960 Well, Paige right now is stable from being a victim of... 81 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,360 Clival chordoma cancer in her brain. 82 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:04,220 She was doing rather well and very stable. 83 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,700 Okay. Until we moved in here. 84 00:05:07,820 --> 00:05:10,580 And now she has several medical issues. 85 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,780 What about the mood changes? What do you mean by that? 86 00:05:14,020 --> 00:05:15,140 I get angry right away. 87 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,260 I used to be really happy -go -lucky. 88 00:05:18,900 --> 00:05:23,280 Steven has periodic tantrums. He flies off the handle for little things. 89 00:05:23,580 --> 00:05:25,720 Okay. It's just a nice house. 90 00:05:25,940 --> 00:05:27,200 I mean, is it worth staying here, though? 91 00:05:28,450 --> 00:05:30,670 It's all we have, and we can't afford to leave. 92 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:34,950 We're not listening to you. It's breaking my heart hearing what you guys 93 00:05:34,950 --> 00:05:36,330 going through, especially with your granddaughter. 94 00:05:37,430 --> 00:05:38,510 How are you holding up? 95 00:05:38,730 --> 00:05:41,930 I'm very, very tired. I don't feel like I've slept for five years. 96 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:43,390 And you believe it's the paranormal? 97 00:05:43,870 --> 00:05:47,770 Absolutely. Something's sucking the life out of me and changing the quality of 98 00:05:47,770 --> 00:05:48,770 my existence. 99 00:05:52,350 --> 00:05:54,130 So there's been a guy around. 100 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:58,130 I think he's like in his 30s age -wise. 101 00:05:58,590 --> 00:06:02,810 He likes to just watch people. 102 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:04,550 Watching, watching, watching. 103 00:06:04,970 --> 00:06:11,130 He'll like get up on you. He really does have a pretty intense vibe. 104 00:06:11,390 --> 00:06:18,230 Even if you aren't seeing him, you would feel his presence. So you feel kind of 105 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:19,230 bothered. 106 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:25,620 When he's with you, I think that that living person would change 107 00:06:25,620 --> 00:06:26,860 dramatically. 108 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,640 He's definitely a creeper. Just unnerving, unsettling. 109 00:06:37,260 --> 00:06:39,240 This is the worst room in the house. 110 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,340 Okay, so tell me what's going on. 111 00:06:41,620 --> 00:06:44,960 Well, there's like a menacing stalker in this room. 112 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:47,840 It feels like somebody's always behind you. 113 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,480 wherever I go in this room. Is it something you can see or is it just a 114 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:57,180 presence? No, I can't see it. It's some type of presence, but it's on you, ready 115 00:06:57,180 --> 00:07:00,520 to jump at you at any time you feel like you're going to be attacked. 116 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:02,000 What else? 117 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,500 Things go missing around here all the time. 118 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:06,320 Okay, like what? 119 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,920 I'll set my keys on the bed. Okay. And I'll go wash my hands or brush my teeth. 120 00:07:10,940 --> 00:07:12,240 I'll come back and my keys are gone. 121 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,020 Tear my room up. I come back and they're right where they were before. 122 00:07:17,420 --> 00:07:20,180 Okay, I mean, I misplace stuff all the time, and I think they're there, but 123 00:07:20,180 --> 00:07:23,160 they're not. But you're saying it's kind of like when you come back, it's where 124 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,120 it was? Exactly where it was, and it's really pissing me off. 125 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,360 The Creeper. 126 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:38,940 He was a bad guy when he was alive. 127 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:41,860 He likes to steal and move things. 128 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:46,160 Like what sort of things? 129 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,200 Like, oh, look, the remote. 130 00:07:49,620 --> 00:07:52,900 Oh, make that disappear for like a week. 131 00:07:57,540 --> 00:07:58,940 All right, so what else is going on? 132 00:07:59,660 --> 00:08:01,360 I have been choked before. 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,200 Tell me about that. What happened? 134 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,800 My throat was shut, stuck together inside. 135 00:08:07,020 --> 00:08:09,180 I could not get any air in or out. 136 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,360 This went on for a minute and a half. I really thought I was going to die. 137 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:16,020 You think the end goal here is to kill you or kill everybody in the house? 138 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:16,989 I do. 139 00:08:16,990 --> 00:08:19,670 I absolutely do. And I don't want to be next. 140 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:25,050 Being like a living woman here. 141 00:08:29,150 --> 00:08:31,530 This is like crazy at night. Okay. 142 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:35,090 So I think this dead guy is like really angry. 143 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:39,830 He can jump into the adult. Like here's the thing. 144 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:43,470 It's like he can't like swallow. 145 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:45,750 Very hard to swallow when he's in. 146 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 you know, near or in you. 147 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,120 You feel like you can't breathe, get lightheaded and dizzy, and then 148 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,240 compression on the chest. 149 00:08:58,620 --> 00:09:03,280 And besides being sick is also the rage. 150 00:09:04,380 --> 00:09:07,920 Do you think that others might be in danger because of this? 151 00:09:08,420 --> 00:09:09,600 Yes, I think so. 152 00:09:10,060 --> 00:09:11,200 Bad, bad, bad. 153 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,920 I'm a little concerned about you guys, especially after talking to your 154 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:42,340 grandmother about what's going on here. 155 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Have you had experiences? 156 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:49,340 Yes. One was actually in my grandmother's room where I felt like I 157 00:09:49,340 --> 00:09:53,900 watched. And in the bathroom, there was a black shadow walking past. 158 00:09:54,740 --> 00:10:00,040 So when you said you had the feeling of being watched, did it feel like it was 159 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,580 just curiosity or did you feel like it was, you know, creepy? 160 00:10:03,180 --> 00:10:04,180 Creepy. 161 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:05,880 Any other experiences? 162 00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:09,670 Yes, one in my bedroom. 163 00:10:09,970 --> 00:10:14,290 I was sleeping. I was having a nightmare that I was being chased by a stranger. 164 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:18,530 When I had woken up, I was being choked by what looked like the devil. 165 00:10:19,430 --> 00:10:23,010 I couldn't breathe, and I couldn't move for a whole minute. 166 00:10:23,330 --> 00:10:24,810 You sure it wasn't part of your dream? 167 00:10:25,150 --> 00:10:30,990 I'm sure. I was up, and I could feel his weight on me, and I felt his hands 168 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:34,230 around me. And then after the whole minute, he disappeared. 169 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:36,760 I thought I was going to die. 170 00:10:42,780 --> 00:10:45,280 I'm seeing like a little girl. 171 00:10:45,940 --> 00:10:46,940 Something's happening. 172 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:52,020 I'm just hearing her, oh my God, did you see that? 173 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,720 Oh my God, did you see that? 174 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,280 Like I'm wondering if it's that guy, like the stalkery dude, because like I'm 175 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,400 not seeing and I'm getting hit from behind. 176 00:11:06,350 --> 00:11:07,350 Not good. 177 00:11:10,170 --> 00:11:11,170 Anything else? 178 00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:16,450 Yes. Since we have moved into this house, my health has really gone 179 00:11:16,750 --> 00:11:18,030 Grandma mentioned that to me. 180 00:11:18,410 --> 00:11:19,730 So what are we talking about? 181 00:11:20,130 --> 00:11:25,190 My stomach has made it hard for me to eat full meals. It makes it to where I 182 00:11:25,190 --> 00:11:27,910 cannot stand up for more than five minutes. 183 00:11:28,350 --> 00:11:30,790 Have you gone to a doctor about what the hell's going on with you? 184 00:11:31,090 --> 00:11:32,230 Yes, I have. 185 00:11:32,930 --> 00:11:35,050 They can't find anything wrong. 186 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:37,230 with my stomach at all. 187 00:11:38,030 --> 00:11:42,050 Well, Grandma thinks this place is trying to kill you guys, whatever's 188 00:11:42,290 --> 00:11:43,290 You feel that way? 189 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:45,390 Yes. Okay. 190 00:11:48,310 --> 00:11:51,510 This one dead dude, he's definitely a jumper. 191 00:11:51,730 --> 00:11:52,870 I don't like that. 192 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:57,890 He's very irritating, though, this guy. 193 00:11:58,810 --> 00:11:59,810 Why? 194 00:12:00,510 --> 00:12:02,890 Because he, like, sits in your stomach. 195 00:12:05,580 --> 00:12:08,840 You can feel him in your stomach. 196 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,440 It's heavy and, like, it's sick. 197 00:12:18,660 --> 00:12:23,620 Did he just jump you now? 198 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,400 When he jumped inside me, I got really dizzy, couldn't breathe. 199 00:12:29,780 --> 00:12:31,840 So he has been jumping you this whole time? 200 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:33,720 Yeah. 201 00:12:45,270 --> 00:12:46,270 Well, 202 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:50,270 Steven, first off, I want to extend my condolences on your father's passing. 203 00:12:50,630 --> 00:12:52,070 Yeah. What type of guy was he? 204 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:57,050 He's the type of person, he'd give you his last dollar or the shirt off his 205 00:12:57,050 --> 00:13:02,610 back. I never seen him smoke, never seen him get your cuss, never drank. 206 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:03,990 You must miss him. 207 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:06,490 Do you think he's here? 208 00:13:07,540 --> 00:13:09,120 Yes, watching over the house. 209 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,860 I understand you're, what, 52? 210 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,660 Yeah. And you had a heart attack. 211 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,700 Yeah. In my feelings, you're a young man to have a heart attack. 212 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,080 Yeah, too young. 213 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,940 So that brings me to a point. Monette was telling me about everybody in the 214 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:25,060 house having some rage issues, for lack of a better word. Yeah, anger issues. 215 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,980 And particularly you as well. What's that all about? What's going on? 216 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,200 It just comes on. 217 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:30,920 But I try to keep to myself. 218 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,020 When you do get angry, how angry do you get? I don't punch holes in the walls 219 00:13:35,020 --> 00:13:36,020 anymore. 220 00:13:36,260 --> 00:13:40,760 Yeah, I used to punch holes in the walls a long time ago. Too old to do that 221 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:41,760 now. 222 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,200 Like a lot of anger out here. 223 00:13:49,540 --> 00:13:52,520 Lots of anger. 224 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,680 This is coming from a male. I think he's live. 225 00:13:57,500 --> 00:14:03,100 He's an extremely tense and stressed out person. 226 00:14:07,020 --> 00:14:13,880 It's an unusual amount of anger that he has about his 227 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:14,880 life situation. 228 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:23,140 He feels like he's just out of control in his life and like going wrong. He's 229 00:14:23,140 --> 00:14:24,160 very scared. 230 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,200 And I see him like punching, like punching something. 231 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:34,600 Do you have any idea how violent this guy in the garage might become if he was 232 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:35,499 being jumped? 233 00:14:35,500 --> 00:14:36,940 That would not be a good situation. 234 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:39,460 Do you think he might be capable of killing in that state? 235 00:14:39,900 --> 00:14:40,900 Yes. 236 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:43,760 Anything else? 237 00:14:43,780 --> 00:14:46,180 It was shoved in my bedroom once. So what happened? 238 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,400 I just fell back and put a big old hole for my lower back in the wall. 239 00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,980 So this ain't you punching holes in a wall and telling everybody else, you 240 00:14:55,980 --> 00:14:57,020 what, something pushed me. 241 00:14:57,260 --> 00:15:01,780 No, no, no. I mean, this is no joke. And you could have fell the wrong way, and 242 00:15:01,780 --> 00:15:05,060 I've seen it a million times. People accidentally break their neck on a... 243 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:06,280 Simple little floor. 244 00:15:06,740 --> 00:15:10,420 With all the stuff that's happened to you here, why don't you just pack up and 245 00:15:10,420 --> 00:15:11,279 get the hell out? 246 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Because I have nowhere else to go. 247 00:15:16,820 --> 00:15:17,880 I don't like this. 248 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:21,300 The creeper, he is watching. 249 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:22,600 Watching what? 250 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,040 Whoever's in this room. 251 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,820 I think he doesn't like them just standing there watching. 252 00:15:33,540 --> 00:15:34,740 He's like right here. 253 00:15:36,700 --> 00:15:38,020 And he's got his knife. 254 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:39,540 This makes me nervous. 255 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:40,980 He wants to kill them. 256 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,520 That's not good. 257 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:02,720 If you're looking for lots of heat and open land, 258 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:04,380 Victorville is the place for you. 259 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,160 I was worried I wouldn't find much history here, but when I called a local 260 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,400 archivist, she said the Native American tribe that lived here had a miserable 261 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,360 time. But it wasn't the settlers who drove them out. It was another tribe. 262 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,120 So, Rebecca, I want to thank you for meeting me out here. 263 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:30,320 All right, so who was the tribe that lived here? Yeah, so they were called 264 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:35,140 Serrano tribe, and they had a village in this area called Tabiapet, and it 265 00:16:35,140 --> 00:16:36,580 extended into your client's property. 266 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,400 All right, so I got to think at some point they came into contact with 267 00:16:40,580 --> 00:16:45,120 right? Definitely. The Spanish started arriving in the late 1700s. 268 00:16:45,610 --> 00:16:49,090 And since the Serrano are peaceful people, they actually helped them 269 00:16:49,090 --> 00:16:52,790 the harsh Mojave Desert early on. So how did the Spanish treat the tribe? 270 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:57,690 The Spanish saw the Serrano as pagan and primitive, so they started trying to 271 00:16:57,690 --> 00:17:00,330 convert them to Christianity as soon as possible. 272 00:17:00,850 --> 00:17:05,230 Some were persuaded pretty easily, while others had to be forced into it. 273 00:17:05,430 --> 00:17:07,930 Okay, so when you say forced into it, what are we talking about? They used 274 00:17:07,930 --> 00:17:11,950 tactics like starving them into submission. Essentially, they would 275 00:17:11,950 --> 00:17:13,569 their crops and their way of life. 276 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,079 Now, Rebecca, you mentioned on the phone to me that it wasn't the settlers that 277 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:21,640 drove the Serranos out, but it was another tribe. Who were they? So the 278 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,079 tribe also lived in this area. They saw the Serrano as enabling the Spanish. 279 00:17:26,140 --> 00:17:30,380 They were disgusted that so many of them had converted to Christianity and the 280 00:17:30,380 --> 00:17:31,380 Spanish way of life. 281 00:17:31,460 --> 00:17:34,680 Okay, so how exactly did the Mojave get rid of the Serrano tribe? 282 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:41,140 November of 1819, the Serrano in this area got wind of a Mojave war party that 283 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:42,180 was coming through the area. 284 00:17:42,460 --> 00:17:47,540 So they actually abandoned Tapayabit, their village, in hopes to avoid 285 00:17:47,980 --> 00:17:50,360 But not all of them escaped alive. 286 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:51,780 All right, so what happened? 287 00:17:51,980 --> 00:17:55,740 So we know that at least eight Serrano didn't make it out of this area. 288 00:17:55,980 --> 00:17:59,420 So, Rebecca, when I was at my client's house, I noticed there's a lot of tract 289 00:17:59,420 --> 00:18:00,500 housing in the area. 290 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,720 Do you have any idea if they've uncovered any bodies when they did the 291 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,700 construction? Not when they were putting your client's house up, but a rancher 292 00:18:07,700 --> 00:18:12,820 in the 1940s was plowing his land and actually unearthed 26 Serrano skeletons, 293 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,960 and it was in the news. 294 00:18:15,700 --> 00:18:20,580 It was believed that this mass burial site was actually a cemetery for 295 00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:22,620 How far is this from my client's property? 296 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:26,480 So there's a marker on site there today, and it's about a mile from your 297 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,299 client's property. 298 00:18:27,300 --> 00:18:28,219 All right, so it's close. 299 00:18:28,220 --> 00:18:29,220 Yeah. 300 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:38,060 There is a bit of negative energy here. The sadness gets heavier. 301 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,440 Sure, sure, sure. 302 00:18:39,780 --> 00:18:41,420 Blah, blah, sad, sad. 303 00:18:41,740 --> 00:18:43,580 I'm like, is it cursed? 304 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:54,540 There are a handful of dead people that are kind of wandering around. 305 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,340 I do think something occurred here. There's something with a curse, okay? 306 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,520 And that's why things are bad. 307 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,780 So far, I've got a client who thinks the paranormal killed her roommate on 308 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:14,180 property near a Native American burial site. 309 00:19:14,380 --> 00:19:15,960 But I want to see if there's anything else. 310 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,300 Searching through old records, I found a suicide that took place right by 311 00:19:23,300 --> 00:19:24,300 Monette's house. 312 00:19:24,350 --> 00:19:28,070 Maybe it's just a coincidence, but this guy killed himself at the age of 82, 313 00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:31,610 nearly the exact same age as Monette's roommate when he died. 314 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:35,710 In my experience, it's very rare for someone that age to kill themselves. 315 00:19:36,090 --> 00:19:39,130 I'm on my way to meet a historian to see if there's more to this story. 316 00:19:45,890 --> 00:19:48,290 So, Don, I want to thank you for helping me out with this case. 317 00:19:48,490 --> 00:19:51,430 So the guy that killed himself, who was he? That would be Robert Turner. 318 00:19:52,090 --> 00:19:53,090 Here's a photo of him. 319 00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:56,030 He was one of the key figures in putting Victorville on the map. 320 00:19:56,230 --> 00:19:57,430 I assume he was married, kid? 321 00:19:57,950 --> 00:20:00,150 Yeah, he had six kids, wife Susan. 322 00:20:00,450 --> 00:20:03,070 You said this guy helped put the city on the map. How'd he do that? 323 00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:06,670 He was here at the right time. He started one of the first large cattle 324 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:11,530 locally, and then he diversified into businesses like a hotel, a general 325 00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:12,509 and mining. 326 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:15,530 He was the king of the Victor Valley for a while. 327 00:20:15,730 --> 00:20:18,550 So it sounds like this guy's making money. I mean, did he have any shady 328 00:20:18,550 --> 00:20:22,070 going on? There is evidence of land speculation and shady deals. 329 00:20:22,510 --> 00:20:27,610 happening here because he was the guy in charge he pretty much named his price 330 00:20:27,610 --> 00:20:33,190 when when selling lots and selling ranch land okay to people coming in okay so 331 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:37,230 it was his way or the highway yeah all right so dylan with the shady dealings 332 00:20:37,230 --> 00:20:41,110 that part of the reason he kills himself no he he started to experience personal 333 00:20:41,110 --> 00:20:45,550 tragedies he lost his youngest son who was age four to undisclosed causes and 334 00:20:45,550 --> 00:20:51,250 then in 1899 he lost another son this is frank and frank ran the general store 335 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,320 How old was this guy when he died? 336 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Frank was 24. 337 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,040 Do we know what he died from? 338 00:20:56,260 --> 00:20:57,219 We don't know. 339 00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:58,220 That's a local mystery. 340 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,760 The final blow was the loss of his wife in 1912. 341 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,720 Let's get to the suicide. I mean, what happened? 342 00:21:04,940 --> 00:21:09,080 So in 1916, he's 82 years old. Okay. He's living on the family cattle ranch. 343 00:21:09,300 --> 00:21:11,440 This is about a mile from your client's property. 344 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,940 Okay. He takes this .44 caliber Winchester lever action, and he 345 00:21:16,940 --> 00:21:19,700 against the floor, the butt against the floor, and the muzzle of the gun into 346 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:20,900 his chest, and... 347 00:21:21,370 --> 00:21:22,890 discharges the firearm into his body. 348 00:21:24,250 --> 00:21:27,210 82 years old, you don't hear a lot of 82 -year -olds committing suicide. 349 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:30,830 When you're a man of this character and you've done all of this and you've built 350 00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:35,010 a city, decrepitude and old age, it may not be the easiest thing to swallow. 351 00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:41,470 The creeper guy keeps following me. 352 00:21:43,810 --> 00:21:47,910 I'd put him maybe 1908. 353 00:21:49,090 --> 00:21:50,210 I think... 354 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,700 He was pretty bad. 355 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Devious. 356 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,420 Like, scoundrel. 357 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:01,040 I feel like he robbed people. 358 00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:08,580 Okay, so I did just hear a gunshot. 359 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,240 What's going on? 360 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,460 I got a suicide. 361 00:22:14,340 --> 00:22:15,740 Pretty sure it was a man. 362 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,980 I just feel really stressed out about it. 363 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,580 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 364 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:34,120 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 365 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:34,799 Dead Files. 366 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,320 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 367 00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:48,960 I was driving around Monette's neighborhood and rode right by a huge 368 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:54,020 Turns out the place opened in 2004, and there's already been a lot of deaths 369 00:22:54,020 --> 00:22:55,020 behind those walls. 370 00:22:55,690 --> 00:22:58,610 I've tracked down a former inmate who's going to talk to me about his 371 00:22:58,610 --> 00:22:59,610 experiences there. 372 00:22:59,950 --> 00:23:02,110 Says it gives him nightmares to this day. 373 00:23:09,550 --> 00:23:12,950 JC, I appreciate you meeting with me. So, I can ask you a question. How'd you 374 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:13,889 wind up in Victorville? 375 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:15,470 I ended up there on a violation. 376 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:18,670 My original case was distribution of cocaine. 377 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:23,210 Okay. Went in, did my time, got out, and I was actually at a pool party. 378 00:23:23,729 --> 00:23:27,210 Everybody was smoking weed, so I was like, decided to take a little hit off a 379 00:23:27,210 --> 00:23:28,149 joint. Okay. 380 00:23:28,150 --> 00:23:32,330 Next day, my PO calls me. So I went in, they arrest me right there and then in 381 00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:33,009 the office. 382 00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:34,850 So somebody dropped a dime on you, without a dime. 383 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:39,050 I don't want to think about it, but man, I wouldn't put it past nobody. 384 00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:43,070 So when you got there, I mean, you've been in prison before, so I'm curious, 385 00:23:43,170 --> 00:23:45,570 what was your impression when you walked in? I mean, I've been to prison in 386 00:23:45,570 --> 00:23:49,850 Mexico, and I've seen some pretty wild stuff. When I got there, the energy I 387 00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:51,530 felt. It's bad. 388 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:53,290 So what kind of things did you see when you were there? 389 00:23:53,970 --> 00:23:57,630 I mean, walking in the door, somebody had already got killed. 390 00:23:58,190 --> 00:24:01,650 So as soon as we walked into the kitchen, they were going to feed us. 391 00:24:01,650 --> 00:24:07,750 blood all over the wall, on the floor, and handprints, bloody handprints all 392 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:08,970 over the wall. 393 00:24:09,530 --> 00:24:14,490 And I was like, holy, like, what am I doing back again? 394 00:24:14,790 --> 00:24:16,790 So your first day there, this is what you're seeing? Yeah. 395 00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:18,870 I've heard it's been called Victimville. Yeah. 396 00:24:19,310 --> 00:24:22,870 I mean, I know the deal. I was on the job long enough to know what goes on. 397 00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:25,690 how did you survive as far as tactically inside? 398 00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:27,890 Violence and knives, man. 399 00:24:28,410 --> 00:24:32,150 Do you know how many homicides there have been there since it opened? 400 00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:33,670 Total of eight. 401 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:36,510 Okay. Any of those eight stand out to you? 402 00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:41,670 In 2005, a guy got stabbed to death over a couple bucks of tobacco. 403 00:24:42,030 --> 00:24:47,630 Okay. People might say that that's like little, but in there it's a lot. 404 00:24:48,190 --> 00:24:49,510 Okay, anything else that stood out? 405 00:24:49,990 --> 00:24:54,570 In 2014, there was two cellmates that got killed in their cell. 406 00:24:55,410 --> 00:24:57,430 It was never really pinned on nobody. 407 00:24:58,410 --> 00:24:59,450 They don't know who did it. 408 00:24:59,790 --> 00:25:02,630 I've heard of a lot of homicides in jail, but it's the first time it's 409 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:03,870 inside the same cell. 410 00:25:04,090 --> 00:25:06,130 Yeah. So I know a lot of things haunt me. 411 00:25:06,510 --> 00:25:08,090 Does that prison still haunt you? 412 00:25:08,550 --> 00:25:15,490 Sometimes. You know, I hadn't slept for 15 years, and I just barely started 413 00:25:15,490 --> 00:25:17,110 sleeping a couple of days ago. 414 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,520 I'm glad to hear that. 415 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,000 I thought all of these people, they'd stood up from the earth, and there was 416 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,440 probably about 20. 417 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,600 They are wanderers, and they are looking for help. 418 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,340 And what I was told was that these were murder victims who knew too much, 419 00:25:41,420 --> 00:25:44,720 but were spanning, like, several decades. 420 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,160 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, but the creeper concerns me the 421 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,160 most. 422 00:25:57,500 --> 00:26:04,020 He has a hat on, and it's just kind of, like, beat up. He had tan skin, 423 00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:05,920 dark hair to his neck. 424 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,540 His lips are rounded. There's no points or anything very rounded. 425 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,100 Next, I described the creeper jumping a living man in the garage. 426 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:26,640 I want to show, like, the dead guy, like, going into the stomach of 427 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,140 this living guy. 428 00:26:28,620 --> 00:26:34,960 I want to show his face enraged because that's what this guy, like, 429 00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:36,680 brings out in him. 430 00:26:36,940 --> 00:26:37,940 Rage. 431 00:26:39,980 --> 00:26:41,820 Amy, is this what you saw? 432 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,620 Yes, that's what I saw. 433 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,380 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal 434 00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:12,600 findings to each other and our clients for the first time. 435 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,640 Guys, I'd like you to meet Amy. 436 00:27:15,220 --> 00:27:18,300 She's going to be doing the reveal from another room so that we can concentrate 437 00:27:18,300 --> 00:27:21,020 on your case as well as the dead without any distractions. 438 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,740 Amy, I want you to meet the three people that live in this house. This is 439 00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:28,280 Monette. She's the one that called us in. This is her granddaughter, Paige, 440 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:29,480 who's 20. 441 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:34,120 And this is Steven, who is a family friend and the co -owner of the house. 442 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:41,240 Monette and Paige are terrified and think that whatever's here is evil and 443 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,240 to kill. 444 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:46,200 So unless Amy's got some questions for you guys, she'll tell us about her war. 445 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:54,840 When I first got here, the feelings that I got were extreme 446 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,060 sadness, and that just kind of permeates this area. 447 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,300 which indicated to me that there had been some type of substantial loss. The 448 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:12,520 living here may be prone to having depressive episodes and feeling 449 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:19,460 lost. I've never actually been one to be depressed, but I have been since I've 450 00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:20,460 moved here. 451 00:28:21,700 --> 00:28:25,520 It's probably a shot in the dark, but it's something you probably should know 452 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,720 about that came up in research. 453 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,540 This land was originally settled by the Serrano Indians. 454 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:37,020 Now, their village actually extended through your property here. In the 455 00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:42,160 1700s, Spanish settlers came. They saw that tribe as being primitive and 456 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,360 converting them to Christianity. 457 00:28:43,780 --> 00:28:45,640 Anyone who resisted was tortured. 458 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,500 Oh. So eventually they got driven out of this area, but not by the Spanish 459 00:28:50,500 --> 00:28:53,320 settlers, by the neighboring Mojave tribe. 460 00:28:53,870 --> 00:28:58,830 Now, in 1940, a local farmer was plowing his land about a mile from here. He 461 00:28:58,830 --> 00:29:03,350 stumbled onto a Serrano burial site, and there was remains of 26 people. 462 00:29:03,650 --> 00:29:05,370 Now, I got a photo of it. 463 00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:08,590 It's kind of sad to look at. 464 00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:11,970 Now, do you think the sadness might have came from this tribe? 465 00:29:12,550 --> 00:29:13,550 Mm -hmm, yeah. 466 00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:18,590 So, what else? 467 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:22,690 What I feel is affecting you the most. 468 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,620 and is the biggest problem here. 469 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,580 There's one very conscious, pretty dangerous dead guy who is here. 470 00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:37,520 I called him the creeper because he likes to watch people. He likes to 471 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,600 get right up on you, like almost to where he's at your back and like his 472 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:44,359 right here. 473 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,040 One time when I was in my grandma's room, I felt like I was being watched. 474 00:29:49,690 --> 00:29:53,910 And then out of nowhere, there was a shadow in my grandma's room walking past 475 00:29:53,910 --> 00:29:54,910 the doorway. 476 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:58,030 And there was no way it was coming from the outside, correct? 477 00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:59,230 No. 478 00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:02,590 His thing, you know, he loves to steal things. 479 00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:09,650 Something as stupid as, like, he would take, you know, a remote control and, 480 00:30:09,690 --> 00:30:12,230 like, hide it for, like, a week. 481 00:30:12,590 --> 00:30:17,050 And then you would find it exactly where you put it. 482 00:30:18,510 --> 00:30:19,930 Oh, it's pretty amazing. 483 00:30:20,670 --> 00:30:26,050 Sadly, it's exactly like she said. I'll have my keys sitting on my bed, and I'll 484 00:30:26,050 --> 00:30:30,250 go wash my hands or brush my teeth, come back, the keys are absolutely gone. I 485 00:30:30,250 --> 00:30:33,950 go to look for a spare, and there they are, sitting in the exact same spot. 486 00:30:34,890 --> 00:30:37,930 So absolutely irritating beyond belief. 487 00:30:38,290 --> 00:30:40,550 Any idea who this guy might have been when he was alive? 488 00:30:41,030 --> 00:30:46,170 He was from way back. I kept hearing 1908 for some reason. 489 00:30:46,730 --> 00:30:50,770 Definitely got the impression that he wasn't a great guy when he was alive. 490 00:30:51,010 --> 00:30:52,550 He liked to rob people. 491 00:30:52,810 --> 00:30:56,810 I just got that he was a scoundrel and that he was very devious. 492 00:30:57,730 --> 00:30:59,930 So I think he was just a criminal. 493 00:31:00,170 --> 00:31:05,970 He also loved knives. He was obsessed with them. 494 00:31:06,390 --> 00:31:12,930 His death was not great. It was something like choking. He couldn't 495 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,040 I mean, for me, it's not a lot to go on. But one of the things you were saying, 496 00:31:19,260 --> 00:31:24,320 especially the 1908 part, had me thinking of one of the city's founding 497 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,480 His name was Robert Turner, and he came here from Pennsylvania in the 1860s. 498 00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:32,740 Robert built a very successful cattle ranch less than a mile from your house 499 00:31:32,740 --> 00:31:37,420 here. But according to the expert I spoke to, he wasn't that good of a guy. 500 00:31:37,420 --> 00:31:41,960 made some shady deals, but he also suffered from some personal tragedies. 501 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,600 lost his four -year -old son in 1881. 502 00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:50,130 After that happened, his 24 -year -old son dropped dead of unknown causes in 503 00:31:50,130 --> 00:31:52,830 1899. I got a picture of the son. 504 00:31:55,650 --> 00:32:00,890 Now, the biggest blow to this guy came in 1912 when Turner's wife died after an 505 00:32:00,890 --> 00:32:07,410 illness. Now, this is all too much for Turner. In 1916, he took a .44 rifle, 506 00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:12,770 put it against his body, basically in his chest, blew his chest out. 507 00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:16,770 Now, I've seen what a .44 rifle could do to somebody that close. 508 00:32:17,010 --> 00:32:18,090 It must have been a mess. 509 00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:19,990 Now, I got a photo of this guy. 510 00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:22,730 Was there any way that this guy could be the creeper? 511 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:26,690 I had a sketch done of a person I encountered. 512 00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:38,270 Oh, yeah, this looks nothing like the two guys I just showed you. He's a 513 00:32:38,270 --> 00:32:40,030 miserable -looking son of a bitch, isn't he? 514 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,240 Wow. 515 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:45,880 Very scary. 516 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,320 It's creepy. 517 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,780 You know, this was a ranch years ago. This place was filled with cowboys and 518 00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:54,360 stuff. Could this guy have been maybe a ranch hand that was a drifter that came 519 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,000 through? That could be, yeah. 520 00:32:57,180 --> 00:33:00,360 Okay, so we don't know who this creeper guy is, but you did say he was 521 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:01,900 dangerous. So what does he do? 522 00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:06,080 He can jump into the body of living people. 523 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,740 He did it to me during the walk. 524 00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:18,470 So did he just jump you now? 525 00:33:20,650 --> 00:33:27,350 I felt sick, dizzy, couldn't breathe, and I felt like I 526 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:28,350 couldn't swallow. 527 00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:31,950 This is something that the living here could experience. 528 00:33:34,170 --> 00:33:35,290 You okay, sweetie? 529 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:37,630 Yeah, sure. 530 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:44,370 You okay? 531 00:33:47,380 --> 00:33:48,380 Is that a bug? 532 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,660 Yeah. You okay? 533 00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:51,740 Yeah. What's the matter? 534 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,740 I'm just scared. 535 00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:55,220 You're just scared? 536 00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:58,240 Have you seen that creepy before? 537 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,700 That face. I've seen him in one of my nightmares. 538 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:04,320 Yeah? That's what tripped me up. 539 00:34:04,860 --> 00:34:06,920 I told you it was going to get real. 540 00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:09,380 You okay? 541 00:34:09,460 --> 00:34:10,460 Yeah. 542 00:34:11,139 --> 00:34:12,260 You okay, sweetie? 543 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,400 Paige, when you see that, what's going through your mind? 544 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:26,179 One night I was having a nightmare, and it was a stranger that was choking 545 00:34:26,179 --> 00:34:32,580 me. When I had woken up, the stranger had turned into the devil, and I 546 00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:38,179 breathe for a good minute. I felt his weight on top of my chest, and he was 547 00:34:38,179 --> 00:34:41,340 sitting on top of me, choking me and laughing at me. 548 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,980 And then after one minute, he disappeared. 549 00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:49,830 Listen to me. Listen to me. It's going to be okay, all right? I'm not going 550 00:34:49,830 --> 00:34:51,429 anywhere. Nobody's going to leave here. 551 00:34:51,989 --> 00:34:55,290 We're going to find out what the hell to do with this guy, and we're going to 552 00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:56,290 get rid of him, okay? 553 00:34:56,690 --> 00:35:01,510 All right? Can I get your jacket, Grandma, so I can get this cold off of 554 00:35:01,810 --> 00:35:02,810 Yeah. 555 00:35:03,650 --> 00:35:06,030 Is that better? Feel better? 556 00:35:06,990 --> 00:35:11,310 So talking about being choked, you had the same, something similar happen to 557 00:35:11,310 --> 00:35:18,260 you? Yes. I woke up, and it felt as though... Fingers had squeezed the 558 00:35:18,260 --> 00:35:19,178 my throat shut. 559 00:35:19,180 --> 00:35:22,040 I don't know how long it was, but to me it was like an eternity. 560 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,260 Super scary, and I thought that was it. 561 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:31,480 It's a possibility that you were experiencing what he went through when 562 00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:36,240 Another thing about this guy, he can make you very sick. 563 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:42,220 When he jumped me, I felt this, like, weight in my stomach. And, like, it was 564 00:35:42,220 --> 00:35:43,220 uncomfortable. 565 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,820 You should know that everybody here has health issues and they're sick and 566 00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:49,160 they're blaming it all on the paranormal. 567 00:35:49,700 --> 00:35:52,240 Start with you, Paige. You told me all about that. 568 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,840 I get a lot of pain in my stomach to where I just lay in bed all day. 569 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,860 I'm usually cranky when it happens. 570 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,460 You've had issues before. 571 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,680 She's a brain cancer survivor. 572 00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:06,820 She's still being checked every so often. 573 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,480 Yes, but they haven't found anything wrong with my stomach. 574 00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:16,040 It's been three years and still nothing on it. Now, Monette, you've got health 575 00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:20,920 issues. Right now I have broken bones in my feet and my ankles that I knew 576 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,600 nothing about nor how I got them. 577 00:36:23,780 --> 00:36:27,740 Yeah, I've had a heart attack and didn't even know I had one. 578 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,120 And you're only 52. 579 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:31,880 Yeah. Amy, there's something else you should know. 580 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,580 Stephen's dad died of a heart attack when he lived here. 581 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,600 So, Monette, tell Amy why you think it's the paranormal that killed him. 582 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,500 Because this man never smoked or drank, and he was a Christian man. 583 00:36:42,980 --> 00:36:44,200 Very godly man. 584 00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,040 This is a picture of him right here. 585 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,280 Yes. 586 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,700 Stephen thinks he's still here. 587 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,280 What do you think, Amy? 588 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,740 I don't think he's here anymore, which is great. 589 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,760 Well, that's us. 590 00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,680 Well, you feel better that your dad's moved on? 591 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,320 Yeah. He had a one -way ticket to heaven. 592 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:07,920 So, Amy, this dead guy, does he do anything else? 593 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,940 When he jumps people, he will heighten their emotions. 594 00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:17,600 So if you're prone to anger or if you're prone to sadness or whatever, he'll 595 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,800 make that tenfold. 596 00:37:19,180 --> 00:37:25,920 I saw an incident in the garage where this person, this male, was so angry and 597 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,680 very upset about his life situation. And he was thinking that he was cursed or 598 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480 something because things were always going so bad. 599 00:37:35,050 --> 00:37:37,730 And I saw the dead guy jump into him. 600 00:37:37,970 --> 00:37:39,770 I did have a sketch done of this. 601 00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:52,990 Oh, jeez. 602 00:37:55,650 --> 00:37:56,730 Looks like Steven. 603 00:37:58,090 --> 00:37:59,750 Makes perfect sense to me. 604 00:38:01,090 --> 00:38:02,310 That is amazing. 605 00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:08,970 Do you recall ever being in the garage and getting mental like that? 606 00:38:09,370 --> 00:38:10,370 Yeah. 607 00:38:11,310 --> 00:38:18,310 My fear is that if he jumped a living person who was in this state, he 608 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:19,710 could make that person violent. 609 00:38:20,010 --> 00:38:22,550 He might be able to make that person kill someone. 610 00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:29,290 Now, that makes me extremely concerned. 611 00:38:29,790 --> 00:38:31,350 I feel very uncomfortable. 612 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,200 That explains a lot to me, and it actually pisses me off. 613 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:37,800 Very scary. 614 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,240 So, you guys thought you had a demon in the house. 615 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,220 Good news is, you don't. 616 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,720 Bad news is, this creeper guy, Might as well have been a demon. 617 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:09,500 Now the question is, can you get rid of this and get back to a normal life? And 618 00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:10,940 if so, what's that going to take? 619 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,260 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 620 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,580 So there's, like, good news, and then there's bad news. 621 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:27,740 As far as the dead guy is concerned, there... 622 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:34,980 is something that can be done to get rid of him, five people, 623 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,520 a team that I would be putting together, would come here. 624 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:46,540 They're kind of a mixed bag of people, like X -Medians, pagans, Satanists, you 625 00:39:46,540 --> 00:39:47,540 know, the whole nine. 626 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:54,200 The first thing that they would do is what's called a cord cutting between you 627 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,600 guys and him. 628 00:39:56,710 --> 00:40:03,570 then a shaman will actually be removing him, the 629 00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:05,710 dead guy, from this situation. 630 00:40:07,130 --> 00:40:13,810 The bad news is that this area is really, really, 631 00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:19,710 really thick with this awful residual energy. 632 00:40:20,090 --> 00:40:26,930 The problem is that you can't... Get rid of 633 00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:27,930 this. 634 00:40:29,870 --> 00:40:36,030 So in order for you to stay here, you would literally have to do 635 00:40:36,030 --> 00:40:41,970 cleansings of your home, and this would have to be something you did pretty much 636 00:40:41,970 --> 00:40:44,210 on a daily basis. 637 00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:48,650 It's up to you if that's something you want to take on. 638 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:54,270 Her bad news was just as good as her goodness for me. 639 00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:56,480 Okay. Good. 640 00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:00,540 A billion pounds lifted off my shoulders right now. 641 00:41:01,340 --> 00:41:04,180 Good. Paige, do you feel better about it? 642 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:05,720 Yes, I do. 643 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,940 We can get all the negative and depression out. 644 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,960 Great. How about you, big guy? Oh, yeah. 645 00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:18,100 Definitely get the, you know, evil out of here. 646 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,380 I'm feeling really blessed and ready to get back to normal. 647 00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:25,930 Yes, I'm looking forward to you guys getting back to that. 648 00:41:26,690 --> 00:41:27,930 I feel lighter. 649 00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:29,670 Good. I really do. 650 00:41:31,650 --> 00:41:34,610 Monette, Paige, and Steven have suffered long enough. 651 00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:39,370 I really hope they follow my advice and cleanse their house of negative energy, 652 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:45,090 as well as work with a shaman to remove the creeper. If they do, I'm confident 653 00:41:45,090 --> 00:41:48,710 they can live in their home peacefully for many years to come. 56374

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