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She's watching a woman here.
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There's like something off about this
guy.
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I'm scared to work here at this point.
It's made me run out of the building.
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I've been followed around by something.
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I think he wants to hurt her.
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He draws his gun on her and shoots her
in the head.
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He wants to do what he wants to do and
he wants to cut.
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I don't want my daughter working here.
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He's got something inside of him.
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Very bad.
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Like a darkness.
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Ooh, the dark is getting darker.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people.
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There is a skinwalker here.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He wants to collect the women.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They're blocking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShop.
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I'm a retired New York City homicide
detective.
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This is the kind of case that would have
haunted me. And I know every person,
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every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them. But Steve
and I never speak. We never communicate
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during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Is that what I think it is?
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Yes. When we uncover if it's safe for
you to stay. I told you he was trying to
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kill me.
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We're time to get out. You have a dead
person inside too.
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So I'm out here in Lancaster,
California. It's a desert town about 70
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north of L .A. I got a call from a woman
named Alyssa who runs the Cedar Center
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Museum.
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She sounded terrified, said the activity
there is out of control.
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Now, this place is an important part of
the city's history, but Alyssa says
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there's no two ways around it. If we
can't find a solution, the museum is
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to have to shut down.
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I don't like it here.
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There's something actually wrong here.
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It's really disturbing.
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Something happened here.
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So, Alyssa, it's nice to finally meet
you.
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When we spoke on the phone, you sounded
pretty upset by the things that are
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going on here.
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Yeah, so we've had staff having
experiences.
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People are getting really scared. It's
hard to schedule people over here.
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It's like something wants to hurt you.
It doesn't want you to be here, and it
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wants you to feel afraid.
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I'm scared to work here at this point.
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I know there's a museum here somewhere,
but what's all this?
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So this is the Theater Center for the
Art. It's part of the Lancaster Museum
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Art and History. Okay. And we manage
multiple complexes here on the boulevard
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and elsewhere in town.
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Okay, so you've got buildings doing all
kinds of things. Definitely.
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This is actually a California historic
landmark, and it was registered as that
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because one of the oldest structures
here is actually out back at the jail.
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I'm interested in that jail. I'll have
to look into that.
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Yeah.
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So, Alyssa, is everyone that works here
having experiences?
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Yes, all the staff is having
experiences. Okay.
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So, Alyssa, do me a favor. Since
everybody's having experiences, give me
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of what's going on.
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So, people are hearing voices.
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They're having sudden mood changes.
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things have moved on their own, and
definitely being stopped.
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I've heard people say they felt like
they've been watched, but being stopped,
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that's a whole other ballgame.
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Yeah, it's made me run out of the
building, out of fear.
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Are you worried about people that come
here to visit, that they may have
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experiences or maybe get hurt, possibly?
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Yeah, there's definitely, if anybody
gets hurt, that would be the ultimate
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thing, where we just don't know how we'd
really continue on or what we would do
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at that point.
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So you've been here for a few years. I
mean, what do you think is here?
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I'm hoping that it's just a spirit
that's a little angry and needs to move
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I'm hoping that it's nothing darker than
that.
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Oh, no.
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There's death here. Death is here.
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So what do you mean by death?
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Basically, death.
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Grim Reaper.
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I think that death came here a long time
ago and just stayed.
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And I don't know why death would be
standing by here. It's very strange.
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And it liked or liked what's going on
here.
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Definitely has a post.
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Like, I feel almost like it was posted
here.
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It's a little dark.
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Like, enjoys its job too much kind of
thing.
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What kind of effect would that have on
the living here?
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Probably feeling fear at times.
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Paranoia, like dying, you know, fears of
death, like randomly.
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So listen, it's a pretty interesting
building. What made you bring me up
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When I come here, I get extremely
anxious and afraid.
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So is this only when you're alone?
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Well, I'm kind of feeling anxious right
now. Like I need to watch my back and
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stuff, even being here with you. Really?
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What else?
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I also get this feeling like I'm being
watched and that there's somebody kind
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peering and leering over me. Is it just
like somebody standing behind you?
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Definitely like someone's following you
around kind of over your shoulder to the
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point where, yeah, you just want to
leave. You just feel uncomfortable.
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And that's up here as well? Mm -hmm.
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All right, so anything else?
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I felt like I was being followed. I was
walking down these stairs to leave, and
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I heard creaking on the stairs behind
me.
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Did you look to see if anybody was
there?
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No, my brain just told me not to look
and to just take off. So what are you
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hoping we can do for you guys as far as
our investigation?
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I really just want to find out what it
is, who it is. It feels like something
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wants to hurt me and harm me.
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Okay.
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There is a male here.
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I feel like he's odd.
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There's like something off about this
guy.
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He's got something inside of him that...
Very bad.
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Like a darkness.
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When he's around, I think that the
living may feel this, like, sense of
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impending doom.
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Do you know why he's here?
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I think he likes looking at people.
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It's, like, not good.
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Also, I think the living do see him.
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I feel like he's watching women, and
he's got some real issues there with
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This is not a good situation.
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So, Lauren, I was talking to Alyssa
earlier, and she thinks the paranormal
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activity in this place can be pretty
dangerous. I mean, do you agree with
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Yeah, I definitely agree that it's a
malicious kind of feeling. I think it's
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very dangerous presence.
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I assume you've had experiences?
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Yeah, I've had a few experiences here.
Okay, so let's talk about them.
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Before coming here, I'll be fine, come
here, and there have been more than one
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occasion where I get irritable, almost
angry, and kind of nappy at people,
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that's not my usual demeanor. It's very
unusual for me.
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Are you taking any kind of medication
that may change your mood?
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No, I don't take any medication. Okay,
so there's no medication issues.
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No. When you leave here, does it go away
or does it stay with you? It goes away.
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Okay, so anything else?
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There was one time I just got really
sick, sick to my stomach. A headache
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on almost immediately to the point where
I had to leave early.
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I mean, could it be like one of those 24
-hour bugs?
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I have a really good immune system. I
don't get sick too often.
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So you've had a few physical things.
Anything else?
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I've also felt like I've been stalked
here, like I've been followed around by
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something when I'm in the building.
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Now, is anyone in the building with you
when you feel that way? No.
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That's got to be a little unnerving that
you're by yourself here and hearing
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that. Yeah, it's very unsettling.
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So any ideas of whatever she wants?
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I feel like it's almost territorial,
feels like this is its space, and
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comes in is invading that, and it wants
to protect its space.
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Okay.
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This odd dead guy who likes to watch
people is a big problem here.
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He seems to be focused on a female.
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I feel like he's watching a woman here.
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I think he wants to hurt her.
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Is he a living person?
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Yes, I think so.
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Are they aware of that at all, his
presence?
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I don't know. All I know about her is
she's got lighter colored hair and
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younger, but not too young. So maybe in
her
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30s, that's really all I can get on her.
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Basically, he just wants to cut her up.
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So, Emily, how long have you been
working here?
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I've been working here for three years
now.
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Okay. Have you had any experiences since
you've been here?
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There are some things that have happened
here that I just can't explain.
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Okay, so let's talk about it. On the
second floor, I often feel like I'm
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watched, like someone or something is
there.
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Have you guys had break -ins here?
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We have had a few.
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So with the break -ins here, do you
think maybe your mind's playing games
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that's why you think you're being washed
upstairs?
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I don't think so. And even when we have
had those few break -ins, we had like
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sound equipment at one point that
someone came in, they just took that
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it was very obvious they were just, they
were breaking in just to, you know, see
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what was here and then leave. Anything
else? A lot of times when I come here
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I just, I...
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I feel very anxious, and I just, I feel
very uncomfortable.
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Do you have an issue with anxiety?
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I do actually experience a lot of
anxiety, but I take medication for it.
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like, I know that kind of anxiety, and
it's different.
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Okay. Is there anything else you could
tell me about?
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Yeah, I've also heard stories from some
of our patrons and guests that come into
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the museum that when they've been in,
walking around the galleries, looking at
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the artwork, they kind of just felt
someone kind of lightly touch them.
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It's not really good to have customers
having experiences.
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It's best for everybody involved to
figure out what the hell is here and get
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of it, no matter what.
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So I'm curious of what you think is here
and causing all this. I can't say for
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sure. I just know that when I'm here, I
feel like there's some kind of an energy
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where I'm just really uncomfortable.
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Okay.
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I'm, like, seeing elderly people in,
like, military outfits.
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They definitely don't want to be here
anymore. I do think that the living
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have a lot of experiences with these
guys. I think it would be more fear
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I think that they have tried to make
people afraid so that they'll leave.
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I know that one of them was blowing on
the back of their neck, blowing in their
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ear, you know, messing with their hair,
especially with women.
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I think that they could be more
aggressive with males.
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So like grabbing arms.
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flight pushes, things of that nature.
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I think that often they try to make
themselves visible to the living, but
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not exactly sure how they're
manifesting.
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So, Deja, you work here at the building?
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Yes, I worked here for three years.
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I talked to some of your colleagues that
work here, and they're pretty scared
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about the...
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Stuff that's going on here. Do you
believe them?
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I would definitely say something weird
is going on. I have had some weird
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happen to me.
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Okay, so let's talk about that. Like
what?
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I spend a lot of time here alone, and it
always feels like maybe there's someone
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else in the building when I know that
there's not. Any thoughts on what it
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be? Just a presence.
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So do you get any sense of this
presence, if it's ominous, if it's...
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Okay, I mean... It definitely makes me
feel uncomfortable.
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Do you think it's just because it's an
old building, maybe you're creeping
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yourself out? I like to tell myself that
I'm just freaking myself out. Okay.
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Anything else?
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Things go missing, and they end up in
really strange places that I can't
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for. What are we talking about? There's
some keys, a security camera, a drill.
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Right away, I'm skeptical things come to
mind. Is somebody stealing this stuff,
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or is somebody playing games?
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What's your thoughts on it?
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My first thought is always someone broke
in.
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But then there weren't any signs of
being broken into.
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So anything else you could tell me
about?
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There are times when I feel like I hear
voices in the room next to me. Like
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they're behind the wall next to me or
they're right behind the door. But
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always mumbling and I can't tell what
they're saying.
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Could you make out if it's a man or a
woman? I can't really tell. It always
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sounds like really faint mumbling.
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Are you sure it's not coming from
outside?
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It's a busy street out here.
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It always sounds close. It sounds like
it's right next to me. Okay. So I got to
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assume getting scheduled alone at night
here is not a good thing for you. Yeah,
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it's pretty uncomfortable because things
only happen when I'm alone and usually
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it gets a little creepier at night.
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Okay.
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There's a lot of residual energy here.
The living might experience being in
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here.
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feeling like there's a lot of people
moving around them. It's like you're
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walking through a room that's filled
with people.
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I think that the living would probably,
you know, hear things from
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the past.
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I think people talking, I think music,
people laughing.
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Those are the three biggest things that
I think the living might occasionally
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hear.
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I feel a lot of people coming in here
being
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very lost. And that's just heavy here.
It's very heavy and thick in the air. So
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it's a hard place to be in emotionally.
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It makes me feel scared and uneasy for
sure.
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So Alyssa told me the museum is
registered as an historic landmark and
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of its oldest buildings used to be a
jail.
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So I reached out to a local genealogist
who says she's right and that it was
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also the scene of a heartbreaking death.
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Well, Jane, thanks for meeting with me
and helping me out with this case.
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we get to the death we spoke about on
the phone, what do we really know about
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the property I'm investigating?
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been used for a lot of different
functions from the county courthouse,
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county library.
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There was even a mental health center
here for a short period of time.
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Okay, so the location I'm investigating
had a real colorful history.
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Absolutely. So Jane, I'm curious, when
was the jail running?
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The jail was built about 1920, which
makes it one of the oldest buildings on
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property. So I'm assuming since the jail
was there, a lot of old lives in town
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went through there as well.
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Yeah, if you got arrested in Lancaster,
you pretty much spent time at the jail.
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Okay.
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I'm seeing those elderly men in the
military outfits again.
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About how many?
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Eight or nine.
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Something about guards, and they're like
milling around, just grumping out at
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each other.
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They're not happy about, I guess,
whatever the...
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What happened in this place?
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They're very angry, very angry.
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There's a reason why they've all
gathered out here.
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They don't want anybody to know where
they
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hang.
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They want to keep that private.
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So Jane, let's talk about this
heartbreaking death we spoke about. When
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happen and who was involved?
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It happened on December 9th, 1962.
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A young girl, she was only 19 at the
time, Marion Budell, walked into the
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at the mental health center, climbed the
water tower, which was 75 feet tall,
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and she jumped. The fire department
across the street could hear her scream
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she fell.
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So I've seen a lot of people drop that
fall. Most of them die on impact. What
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about her?
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Unfortunately, she lived.
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For a while, she hit a metal fence on
the way down, and it fractured her spine
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and caused brain damage.
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So how long did she hang on?
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Well, she died about 10 the next morning
in the hospital. The authorities ruled
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it a suicide, even though there was no
note.
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Any thoughts of why she did this?
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We can only speculate. She may have been
pregnant. She may have been using
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drugs. We'll probably never know.
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But what we do know is that she had been
experiencing severe depression.
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and had been seeing a psychiatrist,
perhaps even one who practiced at the
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health center.
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You know, I've seen thousands of these
suicides, young people that just have
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their whole life in front of them. And
why?
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That's the big question. Why? What put
you to that point that you want to kill
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yourself? It's a tragedy. She was an
attractive, well -liked girl.
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Nobody saw this coming.
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It's a lot of sickness out here.
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I see like three.
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Women drugged out of their mind.
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They seem disturbed.
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They're drugged, drugged up.
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I feel like somebody got harmed here. I
do believe it's a female.
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Uh -oh.
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I feel like I'm being hit on the side of
my head, on the left side of my head.
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That is not good.
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So I just got a call from a retired
detective who's been doing some digging
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me. He found a double homicide down the
street from the museum.
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He says this was a brutal crime and the
killer was a coward until the last
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minute of his life.
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Craig, thanks for helping me out with
this case. I appreciate it. Before we
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to this bloody mess, what can you tell
me about this guy?
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Here's the gentleman we're talking
about. His name is Oscar Brust.
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He's originally from Montana, moved out
here to Lancaster in 1953.
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He came out here with his second wife,
Mildred Johnson.
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She also had two kids from a previous
marriage, Curtis, 16, and Kay Johnson.
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All right, so we know this doesn't end
well, or else we wouldn't be sitting
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here. What happened?
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Mildred and Oscar had a series of
marital problems over the years, and
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described Oscar as being a bad provider.
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of being an abuser, and she actually
said that he was a bad lover, and she
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ultimately filed for divorce.
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So this couldn't have sat well with
Oscar?
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No, this didn't sit good with Oscar. On
October 29, 1954, Oscar gets involved in
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a verbal dispute with Mildred.
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Okay. During this argument, he winds up
getting physical.
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He hits her, and he winds up storming
out of this house.
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The next morning at 5 a .m., he comes
back to the house, but this time armed
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with a .45 caliber pistol.
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He enters the house, and he confronts
Mildred. He draws his gun on her and
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shoots her in the head.
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The gunshots actually wake up Kay, 14
-year -old stepdaughter.
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She starts to scream, and he shoots her
twice.
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Then he goes straight into Curtis's room
and shoots him in the head while he was
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sleeping. So we got to assume he kills
all three of them.
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Well, yes and no.
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Actually, stepdaughter Kay, she wound up
playing dead, bought her enough time to
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contact the sheriff's station.
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Check that out.
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All right, so smart girl. Good for her.
When the deputies arrived at the
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apartment, they found Oscar sitting in a
chair with a gun in his hand. He
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actually turned the gun on himself four
times.
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but it jammed, and his suicide attempt
failed.
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Obviously, they call it a guy. Does he
take a plea?
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Does he go to trial? What happened?
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Actually, Steve, he makes a full
confession to deputies after he's
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Okay. Case winds up going to trial, and
ultimately, this guy was sentenced to
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death. All right, please tell me they
executed this guy.
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Actually, Steve, on the night before he
was supposed to be executed, Oscar winds
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up slitting his throat with a piece of
broken glass from the mirror in the
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Ooh. He finally killed himself at the
age of 47.
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All right, so he cheated the hangman.
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This guy had to be a psychopath. I mean,
to kill kids and then slit your own
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throat with a mirror? It's crazy.
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I'm seeing that odd dead guy who likes
to watch women again.
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I would put him, like, you know, maybe
between, you know, 1901 and 1910.
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I think he died around the age of 47.
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He's wearing, like, an old suit, and I
think it's black. Some people have seen
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this male.
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He bothers me.
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Does bother me.
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Like, I don't really feel good about
this guy.
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So far, I've got a client worried about
the safety of her employees and guests
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on a property where a young woman
committed suicide by jumping off a water
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tower. But I want to see if there's
anything else.
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Searching through old records, I find a
deadly fire at a hotel that used to be
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right across the street from the museum.
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I'm heading over to meet a local
historian who knows all about this
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So, Dale, I want to thank you for
helping me out with this case.
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Do me a favor, though. Before we get to
this fire, what can you tell me about
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this place?
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Well, we're in the Western Hotel, and
Merti Weber was the owner of the hotel
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the 1930s. Okay. And this is a photo of
Merti right here. So that's Merti? Yes.
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Okay, so what can you tell me about
Merti? Well, Merti was an upstanding
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of this town, and she was a volunteer
nurse during the 1918 flu
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pandemic. She was known for her
community service.
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Okay, so was she a married woman? She
have kids, anything like that?
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A couple of years after she came to
Lancaster, she met an Englishman named
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George Weber. He just purchased the
Western, and they eventually married in
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and started running the hotel together.
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Here's a photo of Merti, George, and the
kids.
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And they housed all the miners and
workers from the aqueduct in the hotel.
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How many people are we talking about?
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Well, they had up to 250 people at one
time.
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250? I mean, this place doesn't look
that big.
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Well, actually, they had a lot of land.
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They built a tent city right next to the
hotel.
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Okay, so whatever they couldn't fit in
the hotel, they put in these tents. Yes.
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So what happened with the fire?
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Well, on June 26, 1935, Merti invited
her good friend Eunice Gordon over.
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On that day, Murdy called the gas
company to send somebody out to repair
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pilot light on the water heater in the
basement.
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Oh, okay. I can already see where this
is going.
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Unfortunately, the repairman lit a
match, and it blew the whole place up.
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Murdy managed to smother the flames out
and crawl out the door.
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All right, so it sounds like Murdy's
okay, but how did Eunice make out?
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Unfortunately, she died. She had third
-degree burns all over her body.
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What a horrible way to go.
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So what happened to this guy down in the
basement? Did he ever make it?
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Yes, he did. He survived.
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All right, now, you had mentioned the
building was on fire.
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Did it do okay? What happened?
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Well, the building was destroyed.
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Merti had to build everything from the
ground up again.
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She continued to run the hotel until the
1960s, and she died in 1978 at the
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young age of 110.
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Wow. Okay, so this woman is incredible,
to say the least, right? She is.
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She's still a legend in this town.
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I see a male and a female. I would put
them in their 60s, and they sit, like,
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side by side as close as possible.
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The male is dressed in all black, and
the female has short, curly, gray, and
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dark brown hair.
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I believe that they were very wealthy,
very well -known. They definitely did
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something in the community, and it feels
like he's in charge.
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I am seeing, like, him in the newspaper.
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Something happened.
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Hearing more of the 1930s, 1940s.
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So there's something going on in this
family that is not good.
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I saw a lot of disturbing things on my
walk, but the odd dead man stalking a
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living woman has me the most concerned.
I want to put him peering out menacingly
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from this doorway, looking at this
female.
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He's on the thinner side.
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So there's a stage in the background.
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She has curly hair.
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Does she have any particular expression?
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She's looking a little like she knows
she's being stalked.
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Amy, is that what you saw?
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Yes, that's what I saw.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations,
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We're ready to reveal our findings to
each other and our clients for the first
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time. So guys, I'd like you to meet Amy.
She's going to be doing a reveal from
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another room so she can concentrate on
your case and the dead without any
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distractions. Amy, meet Alyssa and her
co -worker Lauren.
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Now, if you haven't guessed by now, this
place is a museum, but it's also very
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important to the community here.
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But activity is bad.
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Employees are scared to come to work,
and these guys are worried if someone
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should get hurt.
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There might be lights out for the
museum.
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So they're hoping that by the end of the
night, you can help them find a way to
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make this place safe again.
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Amy may have some questions. If not,
she'll tell us about her walk.
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When I walked the space next door...
That's the gallery. Okay. I encountered
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death immediately.
461
00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:25,270
So what do you mean by death?
462
00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:27,610
Basically, it's death.
463
00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:29,350
Grim Reaper.
464
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520
What kind of effect would that have on
the living here?
465
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,680
Probably feeling fear at times, paranoia
of, like, dying, you know, fears of
466
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,980
death, like, randomly.
467
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,000
I felt that this death has been around
for quite some time.
468
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,060
It does travel through the different
buildings and property, and it felt a
469
00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:54,500
little twisted and a little off.
470
00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,400
It made me feel uneasy.
471
00:29:57,150 --> 00:30:03,470
I do think that the living would feel
this kind of heaviness, especially when
472
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,330
this particular death is around.
473
00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:11,730
So I thought maybe the living would have
these strange moments of like out of
474
00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:18,590
nowhere, having that sudden fear of like
dying and like paranoias about it.
475
00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:22,730
Now, Alyssa, you told me about a time
that you actually ran out of here.
476
00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,370
Tell Amy about that.
477
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:25,710
I was upstairs.
478
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,300
And at a certain point, I just got this
random feeling of I feel unwelcome. I
479
00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,139
feel uneasy.
480
00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:33,760
So I started to leave.
481
00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:38,320
And on the stairs, I actually felt and
heard something behind me. And so
482
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,740
of looking and checking it out, I just
took off. I just left the building.
483
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,680
When I'm here, I just have a general,
like you mentioned, a feeling of
484
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:53,600
uneasiness, of just uncomfortable, just
very unsettling darkness almost.
485
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160
Okay, yeah.
486
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,640
Makes sense.
487
00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,460
All right, Amy, what else?
488
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,980
So I did encounter a dead male and a
dead female.
489
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,080
They are really present here. They were
very wealthy, very well -known. I
490
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,880
got that they did do a lot of stuff for
the community here. The woman was
491
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,640
a very good person.
492
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:24,080
The man was a businessman.
493
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,160
He was a mover and a shaker. He was very
much in charge.
494
00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:31,900
Amy, I got a pretty good idea.
495
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,820
I know who you're describing.
496
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:35,980
I'm thinking of a woman named Merti
Weber.
497
00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:40,960
Now, Merti Weber owned a hotel right
across the street here. It was called
498
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,700
Western Hotel, and now it's actually
owned by the museum.
499
00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:48,100
Now, a few years after Merti came to
Lancaster, she married a successful
500
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,620
businessman named George Weber.
501
00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:54,110
Now, George purchased the hotel in 1910,
and the two ran it together.
502
00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:58,870
Now, the hotel was pretty much the only
game in town back then. At the time,
503
00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:02,950
they opened up their doors to hundreds
of workers who lived temporarily on the
504
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:05,890
grounds because they were here working
in the mines and stuff like that.
505
00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:08,370
Now, you said this woman was a good
person.
506
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:12,390
Well, Murty was one of the leading
citizens in town, known for her
507
00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:17,270
service. Matter of fact, during the 1918
flu epidemic, she volunteered as a
508
00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:18,270
nurse.
509
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:22,590
Now, the woman's a legend in this town,
and she lived till she was 110 years
510
00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:25,370
old, which is mind -boggling to me.
511
00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:29,970
So I got a photo here of Murdy, George,
and the two kids.
512
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:33,570
So is there any chance that Murdy and
George were the couple you saw?
513
00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:35,210
It's her, yeah.
514
00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:37,630
She looks like the lady for sure.
515
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:44,110
Okay. I have researched Murdy a lot, and
she did a lot for the community, so I
516
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:45,630
don't mind her being around.
517
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:47,970
It's nice to know that she's still here.
518
00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:51,330
So what else?
519
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:58,690
When I walked into the courtyard, I ran
into several conscious dead
520
00:32:58,690 --> 00:33:02,710
people. There were about eight or nine
elderly men.
521
00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:05,610
They all had military uniforms on.
522
00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:12,110
And I did hear them saying, you know,
things like officer and guard, which I
523
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,190
believe were different.
524
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:17,070
jobs that they had maybe after the
military.
525
00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:20,270
They feel that this place is theirs.
526
00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:26,630
There's a lot of resentment and anger
with them because of how they feel it's
527
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:31,350
not what it was for them. These guys do
interact with the living quite
528
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:35,470
frequently here because they do want the
living out.
529
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:38,650
I know that one of them...
530
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,380
was blowing on the back of their neck,
blowing in their ear, messing with their
531
00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:46,820
hair, especially with women.
532
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,260
You just feel a sort of aggressive
presence just following you around.
533
00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:58,420
There was an instance where there was a
group of people upstairs, and one of the
534
00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:01,620
females kept turning around and saying,
like, stop doing that. She thought
535
00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,140
somebody was touching her hair and
touching the back of her neck.
536
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,700
Interesting. I hate to see young ladies.
537
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040
Have a stressful work environment.
538
00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:16,179
It's like I do fear that I'm going to
get hurt or that something's going to
539
00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:18,120
happen, particularly to me.
540
00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:22,320
Now, you said something about these
angry old men being officers and guards.
541
00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:23,840
Now, you guys think of what I'm
thinking?
542
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,860
Yeah. This property and the building
have gone through a lot of changes over
543
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:32,000
years. The 1920s to the 60s, it was a
jail. Oh.
544
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,159
In fact, that structure is still
standing out back.
545
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,440
So there was plenty of guards walking
around here for decades.
546
00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:42,730
Expert I spoke to said that anybody that
got arrested in town went to this jail.
547
00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:47,530
It came to an end in 1962, but then the
place became a mental health center and
548
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:49,530
served military veterans.
549
00:34:49,969 --> 00:34:53,969
Hmm. I'm wondering if that's why she saw
all these military people. I mean,
550
00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,630
yeah.
551
00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:59,810
All right, so what else?
552
00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:03,950
One of my biggest concerns is this male
that I encountered.
553
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,430
I refer to him as the odd man.
554
00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:12,910
I really felt uncomfortable around him.
I felt like he was mentally unfound. He
555
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:15,450
was wearing an old black baggy suit.
556
00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:22,290
So I wasn't sure what the heck he did
during his life. But he also was a
557
00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:28,810
criminal. And he is not good around
women.
558
00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:33,170
I did see the letter J associated with
him.
559
00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:38,480
But he was in his... his later 40s, like
around 47 when he died.
560
00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:44,100
Oh, there's a guy that came across my
research that may fit that description.
561
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,340
The man's name was Oscar Bruce.
562
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,780
Now, he was a mailman who moved to
Lancaster in 1953.
563
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,920
Now, he was on his second marriage. At
this time, he was married to a woman
564
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,140
named Mildred Johnson.
565
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,420
I'm wondering if that's where the J may
be coming to effect here.
566
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,860
Now, Mildred had two kids from a
previous marriage.
567
00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,340
A 16 -year -old named Curtis and a 14
-year -old named Kay.
568
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,260
Now, you said this guy had issues with
women. So did Oscar.
569
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:12,360
Oscar and Mildred went through a messy
divorce in 1954.
570
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,500
She said he was abusive physically, he
was a bad provider, and that he was a
571
00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:19,500
terrible lover.
572
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,740
Not something any man wants to hear.
573
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:25,480
Things came to a head on October 29th,
1954.
574
00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:30,120
Oscar was at his house where he used to
live and they were getting into a fight
575
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,660
over alimony.
576
00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:36,230
During the argument, Oscar slapped
Mildred around and then he left. They
577
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:39,190
back at 5 a .m., but this time with a
.45 automatic.
578
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:41,330
Put one in Mildred's head.
579
00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,350
Curtis was sleeping and he shot him in
the head while he was asleep.
580
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:47,730
He shot the daughter, Kay, twice.
581
00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:54,270
Now, Mildred and Curtis died instantly,
but Kay was lucky and survived because
582
00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:58,930
she played like she was dead and she was
able to call the cops. So the cops grab
583
00:36:58,930 --> 00:37:00,330
him, gives a full confession.
584
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040
They go to trial. He gets the death
penalty.
585
00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:07,620
The night before he's supposed to be
executed, he gets a broken mirror and
586
00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:09,680
his throat, and he kills himself.
587
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,400
She said that he was probably 47.
588
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Well, Oscar was 47 when he killed
himself.
589
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,440
I got a picture of Oscar here.
590
00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:20,000
This is Oscar.
591
00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,460
Is it possible Oscar might be the guy?
Why would he be here?
592
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,820
His house was less than a quarter of a
mile from here. It was an apartment
593
00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:29,820
he was found. Yeah.
594
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,320
Makes sense.
595
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,140
You said he was concerned.
596
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Yeah, I don't like him. The reason why
he's here is not good for any person,
597
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:42,080
especially women.
598
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,100
He is definitely like a lurker, like he
likes to watch.
599
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:49,720
And I know that he's keyed in on one
living woman here.
600
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:56,080
All I know about her is that she's got
lighter colored hair, probably in her
601
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,440
30s. And what he was thinking...
602
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,300
When I was standing with him, it was
like him wanting to cut her up.
603
00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:10,840
This is something that isn't a first
time with him. You know, like something
604
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,900
may have even done when he was alive at
some point and thoroughly enjoyed.
605
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,300
So he's looking to hurt somebody? I feel
like he definitely would like to and is
606
00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,300
planning on it.
607
00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:26,680
Of all the girls I interviewed, you're
the one with the lightest hair.
608
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:28,580
Yeah. In your 20s.
609
00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:33,290
That can't be a good feeling. No, it's
not a good feeling.
610
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:38,010
A lot of the time, almost anywhere in
the building, I feel like someone's
611
00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,210
behind me, following me around, watching
my every move.
612
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:46,770
So I had a sketch done of what I saw him
doing.
613
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:54,610
Pretty creepy.
614
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:58,190
Yeah.
615
00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:01,170
That really freaks me out.
616
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:05,570
The other day I mentioned that it felt
like someone was peeking around the
617
00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:08,170
doorway, staring at you, watching your
every move.
618
00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:11,030
He is wanting to harm.
619
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:15,710
He wants to do what he wants to do in
the way he wants to do it, and he wants
620
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:16,710
cut.
621
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:19,350
I wouldn't want my daughter working
here, I'll tell you that.
622
00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:39,780
I've got to tell you, I'm damn glad I
took this case because it's obvious you
623
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:40,780
ladies aren't safe here.
624
00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:44,920
Now the question is, can you kick this
psycho out of here along with everybody
625
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,040
else that needs to go and keep the doors
of the museum open, or do you have to
626
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,360
cut your losses and turn out the lights?
627
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,200
For that answer, I'm going to turn it
over to Amy.
628
00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:00,540
So I'm going to suggest that you bring
in a team.
629
00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,060
So who exactly is going to be in this
team?
630
00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:05,750
A Reiki master, a psychic medium.
631
00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:11,330
It's an eclectic group. And I am
thinking there might be a little bit of
632
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:17,690
witchcraft involved. And the first thing
that they should do is to move on
633
00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:19,750
the female upstairs.
634
00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:22,150
We're talking about Merti Weber?
635
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:29,070
Yes. The other thing I will have them do
is to go ahead and listen
636
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:31,810
to all of these former guards and
officers.
637
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,760
It's good news.
638
00:40:56,799 --> 00:41:01,820
Yeah, I'm especially excited about we
can, you know, kind of purge what's here
639
00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:06,520
out of it and make everyone feel
comfortable. That's comforting as well.
640
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,300
that we can freely come and go as we
please or do what we need to do is very
641
00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,540
comforting. So no more getting chased
out the building?
642
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,840
Thankfully.
643
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:19,640
Well, you guys seemed a lot better now
than when we first sat down. You seem a
644
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,120
little bit more... Relieved. Yeah,
definitely. Is that a good word? Yeah,
645
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,240
the perfect word I'd say.
646
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,700
I think I can speak for everybody.
647
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,500
We appreciate you guys coming out and
being able to give us some answers.
648
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,540
I really hope Alyssa and Lauren follow
my advice and remove all the dead who
649
00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:40,840
stuck inside the museum, especially the
odd man.
650
00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,420
I believe once they are cleared out,
everyone can enjoy this historic
651
00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:47,600
safely for many years to come.
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