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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,250 --> 00:00:11,930 She's watching a woman here. 2 00:00:13,730 --> 00:00:16,030 There's like something off about this guy. 3 00:00:16,690 --> 00:00:20,690 I'm scared to work here at this point. It's made me run out of the building. 4 00:00:21,050 --> 00:00:22,930 I've been followed around by something. 5 00:00:24,370 --> 00:00:25,810 I think he wants to hurt her. 6 00:00:28,070 --> 00:00:30,310 He draws his gun on her and shoots her in the head. 7 00:00:30,610 --> 00:00:33,770 He wants to do what he wants to do and he wants to cut. 8 00:00:34,030 --> 00:00:35,490 I don't want my daughter working here. 9 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:38,890 He's got something inside of him. 10 00:00:39,809 --> 00:00:41,010 Very bad. 11 00:00:41,350 --> 00:00:42,530 Like a darkness. 12 00:00:43,850 --> 00:00:46,010 Ooh, the dark is getting darker. 13 00:00:46,450 --> 00:00:47,830 My name is Amy Allen. 14 00:00:48,450 --> 00:00:49,790 I see dead people. 15 00:00:50,050 --> 00:00:51,610 There is a skinwalker here. 16 00:00:52,050 --> 00:00:53,990 I speak to dead people. 17 00:00:54,230 --> 00:00:55,710 And they speak to me. 18 00:00:56,350 --> 00:00:58,130 He wants to collect the women. 19 00:00:58,470 --> 00:01:01,410 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 20 00:01:01,870 --> 00:01:05,030 They're blocking the life out of these people. 21 00:01:05,610 --> 00:01:07,230 I rely on my partner. 22 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:08,550 I'm Steve DeShop. 23 00:01:09,020 --> 00:01:10,700 I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 24 00:01:11,020 --> 00:01:14,200 This is the kind of case that would have haunted me. And I know every person, 25 00:01:14,300 --> 00:01:16,720 every house has secrets. 26 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:21,540 It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never communicate 27 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:22,540 during an investigation. 28 00:01:22,820 --> 00:01:24,100 Until the very end. 29 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Is that what I think it is? 30 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,660 Yes. When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay. I told you he was trying to 31 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:30,660 kill me. 32 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:35,300 We're time to get out. You have a dead person inside too. 33 00:01:48,650 --> 00:01:52,570 So I'm out here in Lancaster, California. It's a desert town about 70 34 00:01:52,570 --> 00:01:56,810 north of L .A. I got a call from a woman named Alyssa who runs the Cedar Center 35 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:57,810 Museum. 36 00:01:57,890 --> 00:02:01,710 She sounded terrified, said the activity there is out of control. 37 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:05,690 Now, this place is an important part of the city's history, but Alyssa says 38 00:02:05,690 --> 00:02:10,050 there's no two ways around it. If we can't find a solution, the museum is 39 00:02:10,050 --> 00:02:11,050 to have to shut down. 40 00:02:24,810 --> 00:02:26,770 I don't like it here. 41 00:02:27,530 --> 00:02:30,290 There's something actually wrong here. 42 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:34,230 It's really disturbing. 43 00:02:35,430 --> 00:02:36,910 Something happened here. 44 00:02:45,410 --> 00:02:47,450 So, Alyssa, it's nice to finally meet you. 45 00:02:47,790 --> 00:02:50,410 When we spoke on the phone, you sounded pretty upset by the things that are 46 00:02:50,410 --> 00:02:51,410 going on here. 47 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,020 Yeah, so we've had staff having experiences. 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,760 People are getting really scared. It's hard to schedule people over here. 49 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,540 It's like something wants to hurt you. It doesn't want you to be here, and it 50 00:03:01,540 --> 00:03:02,540 wants you to feel afraid. 51 00:03:03,140 --> 00:03:05,480 I'm scared to work here at this point. 52 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,520 I know there's a museum here somewhere, but what's all this? 53 00:03:10,100 --> 00:03:14,080 So this is the Theater Center for the Art. It's part of the Lancaster Museum 54 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:18,540 Art and History. Okay. And we manage multiple complexes here on the boulevard 55 00:03:18,540 --> 00:03:19,540 and elsewhere in town. 56 00:03:19,980 --> 00:03:22,380 Okay, so you've got buildings doing all kinds of things. Definitely. 57 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:26,360 This is actually a California historic landmark, and it was registered as that 58 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,980 because one of the oldest structures here is actually out back at the jail. 59 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:33,100 I'm interested in that jail. I'll have to look into that. 60 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Yeah. 61 00:03:34,660 --> 00:03:37,700 So, Alyssa, is everyone that works here having experiences? 62 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,220 Yes, all the staff is having experiences. Okay. 63 00:03:40,540 --> 00:03:44,220 So, Alyssa, do me a favor. Since everybody's having experiences, give me 64 00:03:44,220 --> 00:03:45,079 of what's going on. 65 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,860 So, people are hearing voices. 66 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,280 They're having sudden mood changes. 67 00:03:49,900 --> 00:03:53,020 things have moved on their own, and definitely being stopped. 68 00:03:53,500 --> 00:03:56,520 I've heard people say they felt like they've been watched, but being stopped, 69 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:57,920 that's a whole other ballgame. 70 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,500 Yeah, it's made me run out of the building, out of fear. 71 00:04:02,460 --> 00:04:05,380 Are you worried about people that come here to visit, that they may have 72 00:04:05,380 --> 00:04:07,760 experiences or maybe get hurt, possibly? 73 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:11,200 Yeah, there's definitely, if anybody gets hurt, that would be the ultimate 74 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,880 thing, where we just don't know how we'd really continue on or what we would do 75 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:15,759 at that point. 76 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,860 So you've been here for a few years. I mean, what do you think is here? 77 00:04:19,390 --> 00:04:24,110 I'm hoping that it's just a spirit that's a little angry and needs to move 78 00:04:25,090 --> 00:04:27,130 I'm hoping that it's nothing darker than that. 79 00:04:31,090 --> 00:04:32,090 Oh, no. 80 00:04:32,110 --> 00:04:33,970 There's death here. Death is here. 81 00:04:36,090 --> 00:04:37,270 So what do you mean by death? 82 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:39,530 Basically, death. 83 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:41,330 Grim Reaper. 84 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:45,430 I think that death came here a long time ago and just stayed. 85 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:49,630 And I don't know why death would be standing by here. It's very strange. 86 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:55,790 And it liked or liked what's going on here. 87 00:04:56,410 --> 00:04:58,770 Definitely has a post. 88 00:04:58,970 --> 00:05:01,130 Like, I feel almost like it was posted here. 89 00:05:01,350 --> 00:05:03,430 It's a little dark. 90 00:05:04,410 --> 00:05:08,470 Like, enjoys its job too much kind of thing. 91 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:10,890 What kind of effect would that have on the living here? 92 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:14,530 Probably feeling fear at times. 93 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,240 Paranoia, like dying, you know, fears of death, like randomly. 94 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:29,580 So listen, it's a pretty interesting building. What made you bring me up 95 00:05:29,780 --> 00:05:32,660 When I come here, I get extremely anxious and afraid. 96 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:34,980 So is this only when you're alone? 97 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:38,680 Well, I'm kind of feeling anxious right now. Like I need to watch my back and 98 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,500 stuff, even being here with you. Really? 99 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,040 What else? 100 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,740 I also get this feeling like I'm being watched and that there's somebody kind 101 00:05:46,740 --> 00:05:50,680 peering and leering over me. Is it just like somebody standing behind you? 102 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,360 Definitely like someone's following you around kind of over your shoulder to the 103 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,660 point where, yeah, you just want to leave. You just feel uncomfortable. 104 00:05:57,140 --> 00:05:58,980 And that's up here as well? Mm -hmm. 105 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,800 All right, so anything else? 106 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,220 I felt like I was being followed. I was walking down these stairs to leave, and 107 00:06:05,220 --> 00:06:07,340 I heard creaking on the stairs behind me. 108 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:08,940 Did you look to see if anybody was there? 109 00:06:09,450 --> 00:06:13,670 No, my brain just told me not to look and to just take off. So what are you 110 00:06:13,670 --> 00:06:16,190 hoping we can do for you guys as far as our investigation? 111 00:06:16,750 --> 00:06:21,030 I really just want to find out what it is, who it is. It feels like something 112 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:23,250 wants to hurt me and harm me. 113 00:06:23,630 --> 00:06:24,630 Okay. 114 00:06:26,690 --> 00:06:28,470 There is a male here. 115 00:06:28,870 --> 00:06:31,690 I feel like he's odd. 116 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:34,790 There's like something off about this guy. 117 00:06:35,190 --> 00:06:39,940 He's got something inside of him that... Very bad. 118 00:06:41,140 --> 00:06:42,320 Like a darkness. 119 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,880 When he's around, I think that the living may feel this, like, sense of 120 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,920 impending doom. 121 00:06:50,420 --> 00:06:51,420 Do you know why he's here? 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,460 I think he likes looking at people. 123 00:06:55,140 --> 00:06:56,540 It's, like, not good. 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,480 Also, I think the living do see him. 125 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:06,940 I feel like he's watching women, and he's got some real issues there with 126 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:09,900 This is not a good situation. 127 00:07:17,860 --> 00:07:21,920 So, Lauren, I was talking to Alyssa earlier, and she thinks the paranormal 128 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,820 activity in this place can be pretty dangerous. I mean, do you agree with 129 00:07:25,100 --> 00:07:30,300 Yeah, I definitely agree that it's a malicious kind of feeling. I think it's 130 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:31,780 very dangerous presence. 131 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:33,620 I assume you've had experiences? 132 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,960 Yeah, I've had a few experiences here. Okay, so let's talk about them. 133 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,500 Before coming here, I'll be fine, come here, and there have been more than one 134 00:07:42,500 --> 00:07:48,420 occasion where I get irritable, almost angry, and kind of nappy at people, 135 00:07:48,420 --> 00:07:51,500 that's not my usual demeanor. It's very unusual for me. 136 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,940 Are you taking any kind of medication that may change your mood? 137 00:07:54,180 --> 00:07:56,920 No, I don't take any medication. Okay, so there's no medication issues. 138 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,580 No. When you leave here, does it go away or does it stay with you? It goes away. 139 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:03,710 Okay, so anything else? 140 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:09,170 There was one time I just got really sick, sick to my stomach. A headache 141 00:08:09,170 --> 00:08:12,690 on almost immediately to the point where I had to leave early. 142 00:08:13,130 --> 00:08:15,390 I mean, could it be like one of those 24 -hour bugs? 143 00:08:15,810 --> 00:08:18,430 I have a really good immune system. I don't get sick too often. 144 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:20,890 So you've had a few physical things. Anything else? 145 00:08:21,230 --> 00:08:25,710 I've also felt like I've been stalked here, like I've been followed around by 146 00:08:25,710 --> 00:08:27,330 something when I'm in the building. 147 00:08:27,890 --> 00:08:30,910 Now, is anyone in the building with you when you feel that way? No. 148 00:08:31,580 --> 00:08:34,840 That's got to be a little unnerving that you're by yourself here and hearing 149 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,460 that. Yeah, it's very unsettling. 150 00:08:36,940 --> 00:08:39,299 So any ideas of whatever she wants? 151 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,980 I feel like it's almost territorial, feels like this is its space, and 152 00:08:44,980 --> 00:08:48,640 comes in is invading that, and it wants to protect its space. 153 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:50,100 Okay. 154 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,200 This odd dead guy who likes to watch people is a big problem here. 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,280 He seems to be focused on a female. 156 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,200 I feel like he's watching a woman here. 157 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,740 I think he wants to hurt her. 158 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:09,920 Is he a living person? 159 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:11,280 Yes, I think so. 160 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,380 Are they aware of that at all, his presence? 161 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:20,080 I don't know. All I know about her is she's got lighter colored hair and 162 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:25,220 younger, but not too young. So maybe in her 163 00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:29,500 30s, that's really all I can get on her. 164 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:32,640 Basically, he just wants to cut her up. 165 00:09:58,510 --> 00:10:00,430 So, Emily, how long have you been working here? 166 00:10:00,650 --> 00:10:02,430 I've been working here for three years now. 167 00:10:02,690 --> 00:10:05,710 Okay. Have you had any experiences since you've been here? 168 00:10:06,150 --> 00:10:08,890 There are some things that have happened here that I just can't explain. 169 00:10:09,370 --> 00:10:14,850 Okay, so let's talk about it. On the second floor, I often feel like I'm 170 00:10:14,850 --> 00:10:17,950 watched, like someone or something is there. 171 00:10:18,250 --> 00:10:19,890 Have you guys had break -ins here? 172 00:10:20,210 --> 00:10:21,210 We have had a few. 173 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:25,610 So with the break -ins here, do you think maybe your mind's playing games 174 00:10:25,610 --> 00:10:27,230 that's why you think you're being washed upstairs? 175 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:32,130 I don't think so. And even when we have had those few break -ins, we had like 176 00:10:32,130 --> 00:10:36,030 sound equipment at one point that someone came in, they just took that 177 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:40,590 it was very obvious they were just, they were breaking in just to, you know, see 178 00:10:40,590 --> 00:10:44,430 what was here and then leave. Anything else? A lot of times when I come here 179 00:10:44,430 --> 00:10:45,430 I just, I... 180 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:47,700 I feel very anxious, and I just, I feel very uncomfortable. 181 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,340 Do you have an issue with anxiety? 182 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:54,940 I do actually experience a lot of anxiety, but I take medication for it. 183 00:10:54,980 --> 00:10:58,100 like, I know that kind of anxiety, and it's different. 184 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,660 Okay. Is there anything else you could tell me about? 185 00:11:00,980 --> 00:11:05,720 Yeah, I've also heard stories from some of our patrons and guests that come into 186 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,740 the museum that when they've been in, walking around the galleries, looking at 187 00:11:09,740 --> 00:11:12,820 the artwork, they kind of just felt someone kind of lightly touch them. 188 00:11:13,719 --> 00:11:17,160 It's not really good to have customers having experiences. 189 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:21,900 It's best for everybody involved to figure out what the hell is here and get 190 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:23,180 of it, no matter what. 191 00:11:23,460 --> 00:11:27,240 So I'm curious of what you think is here and causing all this. I can't say for 192 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:32,460 sure. I just know that when I'm here, I feel like there's some kind of an energy 193 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,360 where I'm just really uncomfortable. 194 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:36,260 Okay. 195 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:45,640 I'm, like, seeing elderly people in, like, military outfits. 196 00:11:47,860 --> 00:11:52,620 They definitely don't want to be here anymore. I do think that the living 197 00:11:52,620 --> 00:11:57,280 have a lot of experiences with these guys. I think it would be more fear 198 00:12:01,740 --> 00:12:06,340 I think that they have tried to make people afraid so that they'll leave. 199 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:12,420 I know that one of them was blowing on the back of their neck, blowing in their 200 00:12:12,420 --> 00:12:17,040 ear, you know, messing with their hair, especially with women. 201 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:23,780 I think that they could be more aggressive with males. 202 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,120 So like grabbing arms. 203 00:12:27,870 --> 00:12:31,370 flight pushes, things of that nature. 204 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:37,450 I think that often they try to make themselves visible to the living, but 205 00:12:37,450 --> 00:12:39,790 not exactly sure how they're manifesting. 206 00:12:47,570 --> 00:12:49,590 So, Deja, you work here at the building? 207 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:51,190 Yes, I worked here for three years. 208 00:12:51,430 --> 00:12:55,470 I talked to some of your colleagues that work here, and they're pretty scared 209 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,470 about the... 210 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:58,690 Stuff that's going on here. Do you believe them? 211 00:12:59,030 --> 00:13:03,510 I would definitely say something weird is going on. I have had some weird 212 00:13:03,510 --> 00:13:04,509 happen to me. 213 00:13:04,510 --> 00:13:06,110 Okay, so let's talk about that. Like what? 214 00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:10,950 I spend a lot of time here alone, and it always feels like maybe there's someone 215 00:13:10,950 --> 00:13:14,730 else in the building when I know that there's not. Any thoughts on what it 216 00:13:14,730 --> 00:13:16,350 be? Just a presence. 217 00:13:16,690 --> 00:13:21,370 So do you get any sense of this presence, if it's ominous, if it's... 218 00:13:21,930 --> 00:13:24,510 Okay, I mean... It definitely makes me feel uncomfortable. 219 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:27,070 Do you think it's just because it's an old building, maybe you're creeping 220 00:13:27,070 --> 00:13:30,950 yourself out? I like to tell myself that I'm just freaking myself out. Okay. 221 00:13:31,530 --> 00:13:32,529 Anything else? 222 00:13:32,530 --> 00:13:37,930 Things go missing, and they end up in really strange places that I can't 223 00:13:37,930 --> 00:13:42,790 for. What are we talking about? There's some keys, a security camera, a drill. 224 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:46,030 Right away, I'm skeptical things come to mind. Is somebody stealing this stuff, 225 00:13:46,090 --> 00:13:47,170 or is somebody playing games? 226 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:48,390 What's your thoughts on it? 227 00:13:48,470 --> 00:13:50,110 My first thought is always someone broke in. 228 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,760 But then there weren't any signs of being broken into. 229 00:13:55,460 --> 00:13:57,040 So anything else you could tell me about? 230 00:13:57,300 --> 00:14:00,480 There are times when I feel like I hear voices in the room next to me. Like 231 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:05,260 they're behind the wall next to me or they're right behind the door. But 232 00:14:05,260 --> 00:14:07,100 always mumbling and I can't tell what they're saying. 233 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,980 Could you make out if it's a man or a woman? I can't really tell. It always 234 00:14:10,980 --> 00:14:15,260 sounds like really faint mumbling. 235 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,120 Are you sure it's not coming from outside? 236 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,640 It's a busy street out here. 237 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,480 It always sounds close. It sounds like it's right next to me. Okay. So I got to 238 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:29,300 assume getting scheduled alone at night here is not a good thing for you. Yeah, 239 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:33,680 it's pretty uncomfortable because things only happen when I'm alone and usually 240 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,760 it gets a little creepier at night. 241 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,680 Okay. 242 00:14:40,300 --> 00:14:45,900 There's a lot of residual energy here. The living might experience being in 243 00:14:45,900 --> 00:14:46,900 here. 244 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:52,360 feeling like there's a lot of people moving around them. It's like you're 245 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,400 walking through a room that's filled with people. 246 00:14:57,460 --> 00:15:04,460 I think that the living would probably, you know, hear things from 247 00:15:04,460 --> 00:15:05,379 the past. 248 00:15:05,380 --> 00:15:09,000 I think people talking, I think music, people laughing. 249 00:15:09,460 --> 00:15:14,800 Those are the three biggest things that I think the living might occasionally 250 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:15,800 hear. 251 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:24,680 I feel a lot of people coming in here being 252 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:31,320 very lost. And that's just heavy here. It's very heavy and thick in the air. So 253 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,600 it's a hard place to be in emotionally. 254 00:15:36,100 --> 00:15:39,960 It makes me feel scared and uneasy for sure. 255 00:15:56,650 --> 00:16:00,470 So Alyssa told me the museum is registered as an historic landmark and 256 00:16:00,470 --> 00:16:02,390 of its oldest buildings used to be a jail. 257 00:16:03,190 --> 00:16:07,370 So I reached out to a local genealogist who says she's right and that it was 258 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:09,370 also the scene of a heartbreaking death. 259 00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:19,930 Well, Jane, thanks for meeting with me and helping me out with this case. 260 00:16:19,930 --> 00:16:22,930 we get to the death we spoke about on the phone, what do we really know about 261 00:16:22,930 --> 00:16:23,930 the property I'm investigating? 262 00:16:26,510 --> 00:16:31,610 been used for a lot of different functions from the county courthouse, 263 00:16:31,610 --> 00:16:32,610 county library. 264 00:16:32,990 --> 00:16:36,890 There was even a mental health center here for a short period of time. 265 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:40,410 Okay, so the location I'm investigating had a real colorful history. 266 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:43,990 Absolutely. So Jane, I'm curious, when was the jail running? 267 00:16:44,250 --> 00:16:49,250 The jail was built about 1920, which makes it one of the oldest buildings on 268 00:16:49,250 --> 00:16:53,010 property. So I'm assuming since the jail was there, a lot of old lives in town 269 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:54,030 went through there as well. 270 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,980 Yeah, if you got arrested in Lancaster, you pretty much spent time at the jail. 271 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:00,240 Okay. 272 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,020 I'm seeing those elderly men in the military outfits again. 273 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,520 About how many? 274 00:17:06,700 --> 00:17:07,700 Eight or nine. 275 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:14,920 Something about guards, and they're like milling around, just grumping out at 276 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:15,920 each other. 277 00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:23,800 They're not happy about, I guess, whatever the... 278 00:17:24,270 --> 00:17:25,270 What happened in this place? 279 00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:28,390 They're very angry, very angry. 280 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:33,930 There's a reason why they've all gathered out here. 281 00:17:34,230 --> 00:17:40,050 They don't want anybody to know where they 282 00:17:40,050 --> 00:17:41,710 hang. 283 00:17:42,450 --> 00:17:44,710 They want to keep that private. 284 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:50,010 So Jane, let's talk about this heartbreaking death we spoke about. When 285 00:17:50,010 --> 00:17:51,450 happen and who was involved? 286 00:17:52,090 --> 00:17:54,450 It happened on December 9th, 1962. 287 00:17:54,950 --> 00:18:00,850 A young girl, she was only 19 at the time, Marion Budell, walked into the 288 00:18:00,850 --> 00:18:05,930 at the mental health center, climbed the water tower, which was 75 feet tall, 289 00:18:06,090 --> 00:18:11,390 and she jumped. The fire department across the street could hear her scream 290 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:12,129 she fell. 291 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:15,690 So I've seen a lot of people drop that fall. Most of them die on impact. What 292 00:18:15,690 --> 00:18:16,489 about her? 293 00:18:16,490 --> 00:18:18,890 Unfortunately, she lived. 294 00:18:19,340 --> 00:18:24,540 For a while, she hit a metal fence on the way down, and it fractured her spine 295 00:18:24,540 --> 00:18:25,700 and caused brain damage. 296 00:18:27,260 --> 00:18:28,940 So how long did she hang on? 297 00:18:29,420 --> 00:18:33,740 Well, she died about 10 the next morning in the hospital. The authorities ruled 298 00:18:33,740 --> 00:18:35,740 it a suicide, even though there was no note. 299 00:18:35,980 --> 00:18:37,680 Any thoughts of why she did this? 300 00:18:37,900 --> 00:18:41,800 We can only speculate. She may have been pregnant. She may have been using 301 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,120 drugs. We'll probably never know. 302 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,760 But what we do know is that she had been experiencing severe depression. 303 00:18:49,230 --> 00:18:54,190 and had been seeing a psychiatrist, perhaps even one who practiced at the 304 00:18:54,190 --> 00:18:55,190 health center. 305 00:18:55,230 --> 00:18:59,090 You know, I've seen thousands of these suicides, young people that just have 306 00:18:59,090 --> 00:19:01,070 their whole life in front of them. And why? 307 00:19:01,470 --> 00:19:04,930 That's the big question. Why? What put you to that point that you want to kill 308 00:19:04,930 --> 00:19:08,770 yourself? It's a tragedy. She was an attractive, well -liked girl. 309 00:19:09,050 --> 00:19:10,430 Nobody saw this coming. 310 00:19:13,410 --> 00:19:15,210 It's a lot of sickness out here. 311 00:19:16,350 --> 00:19:17,490 I see like three. 312 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:19,690 Women drugged out of their mind. 313 00:19:24,970 --> 00:19:27,030 They seem disturbed. 314 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:30,650 They're drugged, drugged up. 315 00:19:31,530 --> 00:19:35,830 I feel like somebody got harmed here. I do believe it's a female. 316 00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:38,270 Uh -oh. 317 00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:42,810 I feel like I'm being hit on the side of my head, on the left side of my head. 318 00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:45,270 That is not good. 319 00:19:46,899 --> 00:19:50,340 So I just got a call from a retired detective who's been doing some digging 320 00:19:50,340 --> 00:19:53,560 me. He found a double homicide down the street from the museum. 321 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,320 He says this was a brutal crime and the killer was a coward until the last 322 00:19:58,320 --> 00:19:59,320 minute of his life. 323 00:20:05,860 --> 00:20:09,120 Craig, thanks for helping me out with this case. I appreciate it. Before we 324 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:11,100 to this bloody mess, what can you tell me about this guy? 325 00:20:11,620 --> 00:20:14,480 Here's the gentleman we're talking about. His name is Oscar Brust. 326 00:20:14,970 --> 00:20:18,870 He's originally from Montana, moved out here to Lancaster in 1953. 327 00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:22,290 He came out here with his second wife, Mildred Johnson. 328 00:20:22,530 --> 00:20:28,470 She also had two kids from a previous marriage, Curtis, 16, and Kay Johnson. 329 00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:31,630 All right, so we know this doesn't end well, or else we wouldn't be sitting 330 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:32,630 here. What happened? 331 00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:37,590 Mildred and Oscar had a series of marital problems over the years, and 332 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:39,410 described Oscar as being a bad provider. 333 00:20:40,030 --> 00:20:43,470 of being an abuser, and she actually said that he was a bad lover, and she 334 00:20:43,470 --> 00:20:44,570 ultimately filed for divorce. 335 00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:46,610 So this couldn't have sat well with Oscar? 336 00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:51,870 No, this didn't sit good with Oscar. On October 29, 1954, Oscar gets involved in 337 00:20:51,870 --> 00:20:53,390 a verbal dispute with Mildred. 338 00:20:53,630 --> 00:20:56,270 Okay. During this argument, he winds up getting physical. 339 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:59,070 He hits her, and he winds up storming out of this house. 340 00:20:59,310 --> 00:21:02,390 The next morning at 5 a .m., he comes back to the house, but this time armed 341 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:03,610 with a .45 caliber pistol. 342 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:08,350 He enters the house, and he confronts Mildred. He draws his gun on her and 343 00:21:08,350 --> 00:21:09,350 shoots her in the head. 344 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:13,330 The gunshots actually wake up Kay, 14 -year -old stepdaughter. 345 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:15,910 She starts to scream, and he shoots her twice. 346 00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:20,390 Then he goes straight into Curtis's room and shoots him in the head while he was 347 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:22,290 sleeping. So we got to assume he kills all three of them. 348 00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:23,610 Well, yes and no. 349 00:21:23,730 --> 00:21:27,790 Actually, stepdaughter Kay, she wound up playing dead, bought her enough time to 350 00:21:27,790 --> 00:21:28,790 contact the sheriff's station. 351 00:21:29,650 --> 00:21:30,650 Check that out. 352 00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:34,550 All right, so smart girl. Good for her. When the deputies arrived at the 353 00:21:34,550 --> 00:21:37,450 apartment, they found Oscar sitting in a chair with a gun in his hand. He 354 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:39,330 actually turned the gun on himself four times. 355 00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:41,710 but it jammed, and his suicide attempt failed. 356 00:21:42,270 --> 00:21:44,370 Obviously, they call it a guy. Does he take a plea? 357 00:21:44,590 --> 00:21:46,330 Does he go to trial? What happened? 358 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:49,510 Actually, Steve, he makes a full confession to deputies after he's 359 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:53,270 Okay. Case winds up going to trial, and ultimately, this guy was sentenced to 360 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:55,550 death. All right, please tell me they executed this guy. 361 00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:59,310 Actually, Steve, on the night before he was supposed to be executed, Oscar winds 362 00:21:59,310 --> 00:22:02,170 up slitting his throat with a piece of broken glass from the mirror in the 363 00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:04,770 Ooh. He finally killed himself at the age of 47. 364 00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:07,310 All right, so he cheated the hangman. 365 00:22:07,820 --> 00:22:13,440 This guy had to be a psychopath. I mean, to kill kids and then slit your own 366 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,880 throat with a mirror? It's crazy. 367 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,840 I'm seeing that odd dead guy who likes to watch women again. 368 00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:29,580 I would put him, like, you know, maybe between, you know, 1901 and 1910. 369 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,260 I think he died around the age of 47. 370 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:39,680 He's wearing, like, an old suit, and I think it's black. Some people have seen 371 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,680 this male. 372 00:22:42,860 --> 00:22:44,480 He bothers me. 373 00:22:45,220 --> 00:22:46,520 Does bother me. 374 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,560 Like, I don't really feel good about this guy. 375 00:22:57,230 --> 00:23:00,810 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 376 00:23:00,810 --> 00:23:05,350 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 377 00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:06,069 Dead Files. 378 00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:09,550 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 379 00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:20,490 So far, I've got a client worried about the safety of her employees and guests 380 00:23:20,490 --> 00:23:24,650 on a property where a young woman committed suicide by jumping off a water 381 00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:26,750 tower. But I want to see if there's anything else. 382 00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:33,020 Searching through old records, I find a deadly fire at a hotel that used to be 383 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,640 right across the street from the museum. 384 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,100 I'm heading over to meet a local historian who knows all about this 385 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,480 So, Dale, I want to thank you for helping me out with this case. 386 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,560 Do me a favor, though. Before we get to this fire, what can you tell me about 387 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:55,279 this place? 388 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,680 Well, we're in the Western Hotel, and Merti Weber was the owner of the hotel 389 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,480 the 1930s. Okay. And this is a photo of Merti right here. So that's Merti? Yes. 390 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,680 Okay, so what can you tell me about Merti? Well, Merti was an upstanding 391 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:17,200 of this town, and she was a volunteer nurse during the 1918 flu 392 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,160 pandemic. She was known for her community service. 393 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,560 Okay, so was she a married woman? She have kids, anything like that? 394 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,940 A couple of years after she came to Lancaster, she met an Englishman named 395 00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:34,680 George Weber. He just purchased the Western, and they eventually married in 396 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,060 and started running the hotel together. 397 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:40,020 Here's a photo of Merti, George, and the kids. 398 00:24:40,220 --> 00:24:45,580 And they housed all the miners and workers from the aqueduct in the hotel. 399 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,460 How many people are we talking about? 400 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,900 Well, they had up to 250 people at one time. 401 00:24:51,260 --> 00:24:53,440 250? I mean, this place doesn't look that big. 402 00:24:53,820 --> 00:24:55,680 Well, actually, they had a lot of land. 403 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,520 They built a tent city right next to the hotel. 404 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,160 Okay, so whatever they couldn't fit in the hotel, they put in these tents. Yes. 405 00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:06,320 So what happened with the fire? 406 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:13,500 Well, on June 26, 1935, Merti invited her good friend Eunice Gordon over. 407 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:19,240 On that day, Murdy called the gas company to send somebody out to repair 408 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720 pilot light on the water heater in the basement. 409 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,880 Oh, okay. I can already see where this is going. 410 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,680 Unfortunately, the repairman lit a match, and it blew the whole place up. 411 00:25:30,660 --> 00:25:34,440 Murdy managed to smother the flames out and crawl out the door. 412 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,600 All right, so it sounds like Murdy's okay, but how did Eunice make out? 413 00:25:39,129 --> 00:25:43,490 Unfortunately, she died. She had third -degree burns all over her body. 414 00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:45,330 What a horrible way to go. 415 00:25:45,970 --> 00:25:48,350 So what happened to this guy down in the basement? Did he ever make it? 416 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:50,090 Yes, he did. He survived. 417 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:52,550 All right, now, you had mentioned the building was on fire. 418 00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:54,510 Did it do okay? What happened? 419 00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:56,290 Well, the building was destroyed. 420 00:25:56,830 --> 00:25:59,810 Merti had to build everything from the ground up again. 421 00:26:00,010 --> 00:26:06,630 She continued to run the hotel until the 1960s, and she died in 1978 at the 422 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:07,650 young age of 110. 423 00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:13,260 Wow. Okay, so this woman is incredible, to say the least, right? She is. 424 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:15,640 She's still a legend in this town. 425 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:27,000 I see a male and a female. I would put them in their 60s, and they sit, like, 426 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040 side by side as close as possible. 427 00:26:29,300 --> 00:26:35,700 The male is dressed in all black, and the female has short, curly, gray, and 428 00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:36,700 dark brown hair. 429 00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:42,330 I believe that they were very wealthy, very well -known. They definitely did 430 00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:47,650 something in the community, and it feels like he's in charge. 431 00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:51,010 I am seeing, like, him in the newspaper. 432 00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:52,650 Something happened. 433 00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:57,710 Hearing more of the 1930s, 1940s. 434 00:27:03,050 --> 00:27:07,390 So there's something going on in this family that is not good. 435 00:27:15,330 --> 00:27:20,890 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, but the odd dead man stalking a 436 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:27,250 living woman has me the most concerned. I want to put him peering out menacingly 437 00:27:27,250 --> 00:27:31,470 from this doorway, looking at this female. 438 00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:34,340 He's on the thinner side. 439 00:27:39,500 --> 00:27:41,620 So there's a stage in the background. 440 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,280 She has curly hair. 441 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,720 Does she have any particular expression? 442 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,880 She's looking a little like she knows she's being stalked. 443 00:28:05,970 --> 00:28:07,490 Amy, is that what you saw? 444 00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:10,230 Yes, that's what I saw. 445 00:28:30,410 --> 00:28:33,090 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, 446 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:37,920 We're ready to reveal our findings to each other and our clients for the first 447 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,680 time. So guys, I'd like you to meet Amy. She's going to be doing a reveal from 448 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,800 another room so she can concentrate on your case and the dead without any 449 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,280 distractions. Amy, meet Alyssa and her co -worker Lauren. 450 00:28:50,260 --> 00:28:54,020 Now, if you haven't guessed by now, this place is a museum, but it's also very 451 00:28:54,020 --> 00:28:55,360 important to the community here. 452 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:56,960 But activity is bad. 453 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,760 Employees are scared to come to work, and these guys are worried if someone 454 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:01,760 should get hurt. 455 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:03,570 There might be lights out for the museum. 456 00:29:03,910 --> 00:29:08,570 So they're hoping that by the end of the night, you can help them find a way to 457 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:09,630 make this place safe again. 458 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,970 Amy may have some questions. If not, she'll tell us about her walk. 459 00:29:15,730 --> 00:29:22,550 When I walked the space next door... That's the gallery. Okay. I encountered 460 00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:23,650 death immediately. 461 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:25,270 So what do you mean by death? 462 00:29:26,010 --> 00:29:27,610 Basically, it's death. 463 00:29:28,350 --> 00:29:29,350 Grim Reaper. 464 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,520 What kind of effect would that have on the living here? 465 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,680 Probably feeling fear at times, paranoia of, like, dying, you know, fears of 466 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,980 death, like, randomly. 467 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,000 I felt that this death has been around for quite some time. 468 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:53,060 It does travel through the different buildings and property, and it felt a 469 00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:54,500 little twisted and a little off. 470 00:29:54,900 --> 00:29:56,400 It made me feel uneasy. 471 00:29:57,150 --> 00:30:03,470 I do think that the living would feel this kind of heaviness, especially when 472 00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:05,330 this particular death is around. 473 00:30:05,810 --> 00:30:11,730 So I thought maybe the living would have these strange moments of like out of 474 00:30:11,730 --> 00:30:18,590 nowhere, having that sudden fear of like dying and like paranoias about it. 475 00:30:19,630 --> 00:30:22,730 Now, Alyssa, you told me about a time that you actually ran out of here. 476 00:30:23,030 --> 00:30:24,370 Tell Amy about that. 477 00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:25,710 I was upstairs. 478 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:31,300 And at a certain point, I just got this random feeling of I feel unwelcome. I 479 00:30:31,300 --> 00:30:32,139 feel uneasy. 480 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:33,760 So I started to leave. 481 00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:38,320 And on the stairs, I actually felt and heard something behind me. And so 482 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,740 of looking and checking it out, I just took off. I just left the building. 483 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,680 When I'm here, I just have a general, like you mentioned, a feeling of 484 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:53,600 uneasiness, of just uncomfortable, just very unsettling darkness almost. 485 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,160 Okay, yeah. 486 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,640 Makes sense. 487 00:30:58,100 --> 00:30:59,460 All right, Amy, what else? 488 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,980 So I did encounter a dead male and a dead female. 489 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:11,080 They are really present here. They were very wealthy, very well -known. I 490 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:17,880 got that they did do a lot of stuff for the community here. The woman was 491 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,640 a very good person. 492 00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:24,080 The man was a businessman. 493 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,160 He was a mover and a shaker. He was very much in charge. 494 00:31:30,500 --> 00:31:31,900 Amy, I got a pretty good idea. 495 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,820 I know who you're describing. 496 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:35,980 I'm thinking of a woman named Merti Weber. 497 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:40,960 Now, Merti Weber owned a hotel right across the street here. It was called 498 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,700 Western Hotel, and now it's actually owned by the museum. 499 00:31:44,420 --> 00:31:48,100 Now, a few years after Merti came to Lancaster, she married a successful 500 00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:49,620 businessman named George Weber. 501 00:31:50,090 --> 00:31:54,110 Now, George purchased the hotel in 1910, and the two ran it together. 502 00:31:54,370 --> 00:31:58,870 Now, the hotel was pretty much the only game in town back then. At the time, 503 00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:02,950 they opened up their doors to hundreds of workers who lived temporarily on the 504 00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:05,890 grounds because they were here working in the mines and stuff like that. 505 00:32:06,290 --> 00:32:08,370 Now, you said this woman was a good person. 506 00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:12,390 Well, Murty was one of the leading citizens in town, known for her 507 00:32:12,390 --> 00:32:17,270 service. Matter of fact, during the 1918 flu epidemic, she volunteered as a 508 00:32:17,270 --> 00:32:18,270 nurse. 509 00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:22,590 Now, the woman's a legend in this town, and she lived till she was 110 years 510 00:32:22,590 --> 00:32:25,370 old, which is mind -boggling to me. 511 00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:29,970 So I got a photo here of Murdy, George, and the two kids. 512 00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:33,570 So is there any chance that Murdy and George were the couple you saw? 513 00:32:34,210 --> 00:32:35,210 It's her, yeah. 514 00:32:35,410 --> 00:32:37,630 She looks like the lady for sure. 515 00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:44,110 Okay. I have researched Murdy a lot, and she did a lot for the community, so I 516 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:45,630 don't mind her being around. 517 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:47,970 It's nice to know that she's still here. 518 00:32:50,190 --> 00:32:51,330 So what else? 519 00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:58,690 When I walked into the courtyard, I ran into several conscious dead 520 00:32:58,690 --> 00:33:02,710 people. There were about eight or nine elderly men. 521 00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:05,610 They all had military uniforms on. 522 00:33:06,090 --> 00:33:12,110 And I did hear them saying, you know, things like officer and guard, which I 523 00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:14,190 believe were different. 524 00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:17,070 jobs that they had maybe after the military. 525 00:33:17,290 --> 00:33:20,270 They feel that this place is theirs. 526 00:33:20,770 --> 00:33:26,630 There's a lot of resentment and anger with them because of how they feel it's 527 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:31,350 not what it was for them. These guys do interact with the living quite 528 00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:35,470 frequently here because they do want the living out. 529 00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:38,650 I know that one of them... 530 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,380 was blowing on the back of their neck, blowing in their ear, messing with their 531 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:46,820 hair, especially with women. 532 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,260 You just feel a sort of aggressive presence just following you around. 533 00:33:52,820 --> 00:33:58,420 There was an instance where there was a group of people upstairs, and one of the 534 00:33:58,420 --> 00:34:01,620 females kept turning around and saying, like, stop doing that. She thought 535 00:34:01,620 --> 00:34:04,140 somebody was touching her hair and touching the back of her neck. 536 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,700 Interesting. I hate to see young ladies. 537 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,040 Have a stressful work environment. 538 00:34:12,020 --> 00:34:16,179 It's like I do fear that I'm going to get hurt or that something's going to 539 00:34:16,179 --> 00:34:18,120 happen, particularly to me. 540 00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:22,320 Now, you said something about these angry old men being officers and guards. 541 00:34:22,460 --> 00:34:23,840 Now, you guys think of what I'm thinking? 542 00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,860 Yeah. This property and the building have gone through a lot of changes over 543 00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:32,000 years. The 1920s to the 60s, it was a jail. Oh. 544 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,159 In fact, that structure is still standing out back. 545 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:38,440 So there was plenty of guards walking around here for decades. 546 00:34:38,989 --> 00:34:42,730 Expert I spoke to said that anybody that got arrested in town went to this jail. 547 00:34:42,989 --> 00:34:47,530 It came to an end in 1962, but then the place became a mental health center and 548 00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:49,530 served military veterans. 549 00:34:49,969 --> 00:34:53,969 Hmm. I'm wondering if that's why she saw all these military people. I mean, 550 00:34:54,090 --> 00:34:55,630 yeah. 551 00:34:58,810 --> 00:34:59,810 All right, so what else? 552 00:35:00,610 --> 00:35:03,950 One of my biggest concerns is this male that I encountered. 553 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,430 I refer to him as the odd man. 554 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:12,910 I really felt uncomfortable around him. I felt like he was mentally unfound. He 555 00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:15,450 was wearing an old black baggy suit. 556 00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:22,290 So I wasn't sure what the heck he did during his life. But he also was a 557 00:35:22,290 --> 00:35:28,810 criminal. And he is not good around women. 558 00:35:29,070 --> 00:35:33,170 I did see the letter J associated with him. 559 00:35:33,470 --> 00:35:38,480 But he was in his... his later 40s, like around 47 when he died. 560 00:35:39,540 --> 00:35:44,100 Oh, there's a guy that came across my research that may fit that description. 561 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,340 The man's name was Oscar Bruce. 562 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,780 Now, he was a mailman who moved to Lancaster in 1953. 563 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,920 Now, he was on his second marriage. At this time, he was married to a woman 564 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,140 named Mildred Johnson. 565 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,420 I'm wondering if that's where the J may be coming to effect here. 566 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,860 Now, Mildred had two kids from a previous marriage. 567 00:36:02,460 --> 00:36:05,340 A 16 -year -old named Curtis and a 14 -year -old named Kay. 568 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,260 Now, you said this guy had issues with women. So did Oscar. 569 00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:12,360 Oscar and Mildred went through a messy divorce in 1954. 570 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,500 She said he was abusive physically, he was a bad provider, and that he was a 571 00:36:18,500 --> 00:36:19,500 terrible lover. 572 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,740 Not something any man wants to hear. 573 00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:25,480 Things came to a head on October 29th, 1954. 574 00:36:26,780 --> 00:36:30,120 Oscar was at his house where he used to live and they were getting into a fight 575 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,660 over alimony. 576 00:36:32,090 --> 00:36:36,230 During the argument, Oscar slapped Mildred around and then he left. They 577 00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:39,190 back at 5 a .m., but this time with a .45 automatic. 578 00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:41,330 Put one in Mildred's head. 579 00:36:41,670 --> 00:36:44,350 Curtis was sleeping and he shot him in the head while he was asleep. 580 00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:47,730 He shot the daughter, Kay, twice. 581 00:36:48,810 --> 00:36:54,270 Now, Mildred and Curtis died instantly, but Kay was lucky and survived because 582 00:36:54,270 --> 00:36:58,930 she played like she was dead and she was able to call the cops. So the cops grab 583 00:36:58,930 --> 00:37:00,330 him, gives a full confession. 584 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,040 They go to trial. He gets the death penalty. 585 00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:07,620 The night before he's supposed to be executed, he gets a broken mirror and 586 00:37:07,620 --> 00:37:09,680 his throat, and he kills himself. 587 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,400 She said that he was probably 47. 588 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,560 Well, Oscar was 47 when he killed himself. 589 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,440 I got a picture of Oscar here. 590 00:37:18,980 --> 00:37:20,000 This is Oscar. 591 00:37:21,700 --> 00:37:25,460 Is it possible Oscar might be the guy? Why would he be here? 592 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,820 His house was less than a quarter of a mile from here. It was an apartment 593 00:37:28,820 --> 00:37:29,820 he was found. Yeah. 594 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:31,320 Makes sense. 595 00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:33,140 You said he was concerned. 596 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:40,600 Yeah, I don't like him. The reason why he's here is not good for any person, 597 00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:42,080 especially women. 598 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,100 He is definitely like a lurker, like he likes to watch. 599 00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:49,720 And I know that he's keyed in on one living woman here. 600 00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:56,080 All I know about her is that she's got lighter colored hair, probably in her 601 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,440 30s. And what he was thinking... 602 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,300 When I was standing with him, it was like him wanting to cut her up. 603 00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:10,840 This is something that isn't a first time with him. You know, like something 604 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,900 may have even done when he was alive at some point and thoroughly enjoyed. 605 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,300 So he's looking to hurt somebody? I feel like he definitely would like to and is 606 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:21,300 planning on it. 607 00:38:23,260 --> 00:38:26,680 Of all the girls I interviewed, you're the one with the lightest hair. 608 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:28,580 Yeah. In your 20s. 609 00:38:30,730 --> 00:38:33,290 That can't be a good feeling. No, it's not a good feeling. 610 00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:38,010 A lot of the time, almost anywhere in the building, I feel like someone's 611 00:38:38,010 --> 00:38:41,210 behind me, following me around, watching my every move. 612 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:46,770 So I had a sketch done of what I saw him doing. 613 00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:54,610 Pretty creepy. 614 00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:58,190 Yeah. 615 00:38:59,850 --> 00:39:01,170 That really freaks me out. 616 00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:05,570 The other day I mentioned that it felt like someone was peeking around the 617 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:08,170 doorway, staring at you, watching your every move. 618 00:39:08,510 --> 00:39:11,030 He is wanting to harm. 619 00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:15,710 He wants to do what he wants to do in the way he wants to do it, and he wants 620 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:16,710 cut. 621 00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:19,350 I wouldn't want my daughter working here, I'll tell you that. 622 00:39:35,820 --> 00:39:39,780 I've got to tell you, I'm damn glad I took this case because it's obvious you 623 00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:40,780 ladies aren't safe here. 624 00:39:41,020 --> 00:39:44,920 Now the question is, can you kick this psycho out of here along with everybody 625 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,040 else that needs to go and keep the doors of the museum open, or do you have to 626 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,360 cut your losses and turn out the lights? 627 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,200 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 628 00:39:57,700 --> 00:40:00,540 So I'm going to suggest that you bring in a team. 629 00:40:01,060 --> 00:40:03,060 So who exactly is going to be in this team? 630 00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:05,750 A Reiki master, a psychic medium. 631 00:40:06,170 --> 00:40:11,330 It's an eclectic group. And I am thinking there might be a little bit of 632 00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:17,690 witchcraft involved. And the first thing that they should do is to move on 633 00:40:17,690 --> 00:40:19,750 the female upstairs. 634 00:40:20,610 --> 00:40:22,150 We're talking about Merti Weber? 635 00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:29,070 Yes. The other thing I will have them do is to go ahead and listen 636 00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:31,810 to all of these former guards and officers. 637 00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:54,760 It's good news. 638 00:40:56,799 --> 00:41:01,820 Yeah, I'm especially excited about we can, you know, kind of purge what's here 639 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:06,520 out of it and make everyone feel comfortable. That's comforting as well. 640 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:12,300 that we can freely come and go as we please or do what we need to do is very 641 00:41:12,300 --> 00:41:14,540 comforting. So no more getting chased out the building? 642 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:15,840 Thankfully. 643 00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:19,640 Well, you guys seemed a lot better now than when we first sat down. You seem a 644 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,120 little bit more... Relieved. Yeah, definitely. Is that a good word? Yeah, 645 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,240 the perfect word I'd say. 646 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,700 I think I can speak for everybody. 647 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:31,500 We appreciate you guys coming out and being able to give us some answers. 648 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:37,540 I really hope Alyssa and Lauren follow my advice and remove all the dead who 649 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:40,840 stuck inside the museum, especially the odd man. 650 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:45,420 I believe once they are cleared out, everyone can enjoy this historic 651 00:41:45,420 --> 00:41:47,600 safely for many years to come. 58884

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