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God, I don't feel good. I can't breathe.
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So it almost feels like somebody is
dying here.
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My mom has had some health issues.
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This has been a daily struggle for me.
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This woman seeing a lot of dead people.
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Shortly after this, there were a series
of murdered victims who began to appear.
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The living woman was seeing these hands
come up from the end of the bed. I
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thought I was going to die.
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There's a lot of fear and anxiety here.
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Oh, the dark is getting darker.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people.
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There is a skinwalker here.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He wants to collect the women.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They're blocking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShave. I'm a retired New
York City homicide detective.
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This is the kind of case that would have
haunted me. And I know every person,
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every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them. But Steve
and I never speak. We never communicate
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during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Is that what I think it is?
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Yes. When we uncover if it's safe for
you to stay. I told you he was trying to
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kill me.
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We're time to get out. You have a dead
person inside you.
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I'm in Lake Elsinore, California. It's
about an hour south of Los Angeles.
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I got a call from a 22 -year -old guy
named Austin.
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He says three generations of family
members live in the house, and they're
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terrified.
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He didn't sound too good, and he told me
we're his
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very last hope.
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God, I don't feel good.
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I can't breathe.
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I feel like I'm going to vomit.
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So it almost feels like somebody is
dying here.
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I literally feel like I'm getting beat
up right now.
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It's not good.
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It really is awful.
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So, Austin, just driving through the
neighborhood and... Going up to this
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beautiful home and looking around, it's
like, what could possibly be wrong here?
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Why'd you call us in? What's going on in
this place?
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We do not love the way that we feel
here.
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We feel like we're being tortured by the
paranormal.
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Let's start with the basics. Who all
lives in the house?
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There's me, my grandma, my sister, and
my mom.
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How old's your sister?
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My sister's 13.
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It's four of you here. It's a huge
house. Why'd you pick a house this big?
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Well, when we moved in, there were more
of us. My grandpa was still alive.
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Here's a picture of him.
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That's him and my grandma.
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If you don't mind me asking, how did
your grandfather pass? What happened?
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He died of a stroke, but he also had
Alzheimer's.
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Oof. Yeah, he passed in the home.
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He passed in the house?
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In the house, yeah.
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So how old was he?
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He was 69.
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So he was young.
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Yeah. He was pretty young to be going
through that at his age.
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Question for you, then. I mean, I hate
to bring it up, but do you think he's
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here?
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Yeah, I think he's here to help us and
to protect us.
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Okay. Do you think his death started the
activity?
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No. Any idea what might have started it?
My mom was in an accident about a year
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ago. She was turning on a blind corner,
and another car was coming, and a
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motorcyclist was trying to cut around
that car at that very same time.
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and he had hit the front end, went
flying, and he lost his life.
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How's your mom holding up?
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It's hard. She definitely feels like, if
only I, you know, could have left 15
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minutes later, you know, like, even
though he was at fault, she carries that
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weight, and she relived that experience
a lot.
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All right, so, Austin, do me a favor and
give me a list of what you guys are
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going through here.
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We're feeling watched.
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We're hearing voices.
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We're seeing apparitions and shadow
figures.
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And then we've been physically touched.
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My mom has had some health issues, and
her doctors can't explain any of it.
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Okay. So part of me wonders if the
paranormal has something to do with
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they're messing with her body
internally.
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It's got to be tough dealing with it. It
is really tough.
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I want my sister to feel like she can go
to bed at night and feel safe, and I
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want the same thing for my mom and my
grandma and myself.
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Oh, lord, lordy, lord, it got loud out
here. Okay.
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I'm getting some really bad residual
energy from that hill, and it's coming
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right into the house. I feel like it's a
vortex for the dead being created.
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If you're kind of sensitive, and then
you move here, your abilities might get
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amplified because of this energy.
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And obviously, I think that would, you
know...
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cause a lot of anxiety for somebody who
hasn't had all of this before.
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So what's going on in here?
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Well, I've seen the apparition of a
little girl in here.
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Describe to me what she looks like.
Well, she was about this big.
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She had pigtails. She was wearing a
dress.
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At first, I thought my sister was
running up the stairs.
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Did you ever see her again? No, I
haven't seen her again, but I have felt
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energy. She had a little bit of this
playful, mischievous type of energy, and
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sometimes I will feel that around the
house.
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All right, so what else?
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I see shadow figures all around the
house.
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Okay, so try to describe it for me. The
body is pretty slender, but it's
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completely black.
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No features of eyes or anything like
that? No features. There's no face. It's
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just black.
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I'm seeing these two weird shadow
-looking things.
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One's really tall and one's short.
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The little one has a skeleton body.
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The tall one throws them on his
shoulders all the time.
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I think they're both shapeshifting
tricksters.
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Do you know what these things want?
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From what I saw, making people
physically ill and terrifying them,
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kind of PTSD.
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And, you know, so obviously...
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To us, it's malicious.
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To them, they're having fun because they
have nothing else to do.
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Hey, what's going on in here?
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My bed will shake.
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So show me how that happens. How's it
feel? It literally feels like somebody's
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just going like this.
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It'll just shake like this.
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And nothing else is moving around?
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Nothing else in the room at all.
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When it happens, I've jumped up, I've
looked under the bed, there's nothing
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there, there's no fan running, the AC is
off, and nobody's opening up the garage
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door downstairs.
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I've tried to debunk it, but I can't.
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Okay, does it feel like a human being?
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It feels like somebody's shaking the
bed.
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All right, so what else?
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Something will pinch my leg down here,
and it feels like nails, like somebody
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just pinching me with their nails. It
doesn't leave a mark.
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It almost feels like a nerve pain, but I
only experience it when I'm here.
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You sure you're not getting bit by
something?
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Nope, nothing in the bed.
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You're positive about that? Positive, no
bugs, washed my sheets.
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Anything else going on?
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When I do sleep, I get really bad
nightmares.
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I've had a nightmare where I was in this
house, and I was literally being chased
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around the house by a demon, and this
thing was chasing me through hell.
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What do you think that's all about?
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I think it's to terrify me. I think it's
to instill me with a sense of fear.
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These kind of dreams, they stay with
you.
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Shapeshifter trickster things.
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Up on the ceiling and dropping down.
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This thing is like right on them.
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Or, you know, at the end of the bed or
on the ceiling. Like it's interacting,
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definitely.
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Everybody.
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seems to be waking up from nightmares.
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One of them is in a great deal of some
kind of physical pain.
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They're very sick.
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As far as the living are concerned, I
don't think it's good. They're dying or
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something.
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So, Milena, I was just talking to
Austin.
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He feels that the whole family's in
danger from the paranormal here. Do you
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agree with it? I do. You do? Okay.
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There's been quite a lot of activity.
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I know your father, Pev, in the house.
My condolences.
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Thank you.
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Austin seems to think that he's here.
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Yeah. Two days before he passed, I had a
really terrifying dream.
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About him? About him. I saw what he
looked like.
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After he passed.
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And it came true.
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I don't want to remember him like that
because he was my dad.
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Austin, he seems to think that stuff got
worse after your car accident.
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It did. I feel like he somehow attached
to me because
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when I think about the accident scene, I
see it from a bird's eye view.
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It sounds like you may have abilities.
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I probably do.
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It makes sense that because I have some
sensitivity that he would
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find me.
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Ah, okay.
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And stick with me.
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Okay, so if you can, do me a favor and
tell me about the experiences you're
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having. I have seen shadow figures.
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Where have you seen them?
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I've seen them peeking out around from
the dining room.
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I've seen them on our catwalk and also
in my bedroom.
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Did they look same all the time or did
they differ? The one that I saw peeking
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around the corner was full human
-shaped.
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The one in my room, it was almost like a
triangle.
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Okay. And it just went like that, but it
was moving. It was moving.
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What else was going on?
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Well, I was in bed, and that's when I
heard in my ear, look, I got to be
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with you.
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It was a male voice, and it was...
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Almost like I was overhearing a
conversation.
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Were you in bed alone?
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No, my boyfriend was in bed, but he was
asleep next to me. I mean, do you think
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it came from a TV maybe?
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No, I opened my eyes to find out, and
there was nothing there.
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What else was going on?
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One night, I was asleep, and my bed was
punched very hard and right in between
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my feet.
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Oh, okay.
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Was your boyfriend in bed with you? No,
no.
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So... Between losing your father, the
accident, the paranormal here, you got a
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lot going on. A lot.
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And it seems to have gotten worse
lately.
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Austin was telling me about your health
problems.
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So do you believe that your health
issues are paranormal?
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I do. And it's like, this has been a
daily struggle for me.
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I need to get back to a normal life.
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Well, we're going to do our best. I
promise you that.
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Thank you.
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The energy that's coming from that
mountain area or hill definitely causes
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issues for sensitives in this location.
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And it definitely heightens their
abilities.
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And I think a living woman here is
drawing the dead inside.
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I think this woman, I think seeing a lot
of dead people, they feel your energy
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and they think you're the one who can
actually help them.
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They'll stay.
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So I think this person might have just
opened spontaneously and not able to
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it down at all, and it's just
overwhelming.
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I feel physical pain.
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She's having, like, heart issues or
something.
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Massive, massive anxiety.
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She's just worn down and just does not
know how to make a stop.
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So, Judy, I just want to extend my
condolences. I understand your husband
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in the house. Yes.
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Your grandson Austin seems to think that
he's here.
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How do you feel about that? Well, he was
happy here, so maybe he comes and
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visits. I don't know. Okay.
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It's got to be tough seeing what your
family's going through.
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I see how it's affecting them and how it
affects the family.
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Sometimes for no reason, somebody just
kind of gets really annoyed. I heard.
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that's not what...
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We're a very loving family.
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That's got to really be upsetting for
you. Yeah, especially, you know, my
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daughter's had so many medical problems,
and that has worried me more than I let
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her know.
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It's not normal.
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What about yourself? Not what anybody
else is going through, but you.
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What have you experienced, if anything?
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Well, after my husband passed, I went to
bed one night, and I
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hear something.
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come in from the bathroom, walk over,
and then lay down.
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So you weren't dreaming or anything? No,
I hadn't gone to sleep yet. And I, you
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know, I was like, well, it's either my
husband coming back to see me
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or something else. But I just didn't
move. I just laid there and went to
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Hopefully we'll be able to figure out
what the hell's going on here.
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I hope you can.
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Well, that's weird.
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I just heard, lock that door.
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Weird. Weird.
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It was loud, like, lock that door.
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Do you know who's saying this?
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The tricksters.
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They're here, under the bed all the
time. It's under the bed, and it's
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and it's moving.
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I'm crawling up, crawling up. I'm under
the bed, at the end of the bed, crawling
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up, seeing hands.
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Some kind of hand.
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Oh God, oh God. Not again. Oh God.
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I made my usual calls before
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I got to town and just heard back from a
local genealogist. She says the Native
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American tribe that lived here has a
horrifying story that I'm definitely
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to want to know about.
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So, Marge, I appreciate you coming out
and helping me with this case.
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A lot of my investigations involve
Native American stories.
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Now, what's so special about this one?
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Well, in this Lake Elsinore area, it was
inhabited by a tribe of Native American
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Indians called the Licinos, who lived
here for over 10 ,000 years before the
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arrival of the European settlers.
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And what else can you tell me about
them?
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In 1798, the Spanish missionaries came
and established a settlement nearby.
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They took over the land and they
converted as many people of the Luceno
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Catholicism as they could.
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So I know from history that things
didn't go well for the Native Americans
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the settlers came in. So how did it go
for them?
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The Lucenos got sick from many of the
European diseases, smallpox, measles,
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influenza. Their culture was on the
brink of destruction and many of them
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out. Did they ever recover from this?
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Unfortunately, though, things got much
worse for the Lucinos.
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In 1846, the Mexican -American War
began, which led to one of the bloodiest
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events in the region's history, the
Temecula Canyon Massacre.
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Well, it sounds pretty bad. What the
hell happened?
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In January 1847, a Mexican general
thought that the Lucinos were
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an attack on his troop, so he ordered
them captured.
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How'd he wind up doing it? His soldiers
lured the Lucinos out of their hiding
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spot in a deep canyon and ambushed them.
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All right, do we have a number of how
many of these people were killed?
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The exact death toll remains a mystery,
but it is estimated that over 100
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Lucinos were killed that day.
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I mean, these guys really got the shaft
from everybody, it looks like.
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Exactly.
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I'm seeing those shape -shifting
tricksters again.
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I was like asking my guides, I'm like,
well, is this Native American?
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They're like, no, no, no, no, no.
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Do you know if it might change shapes to
other people? Maybe different people
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are saying different things.
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In here, I know that one person saw it
look... with, like, kind of a bigger
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head. And then in the other room, when
it was coming down the bathroom towards
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that person, it looked different.
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I just got a call from a friend of mine
who writes crime books. Says she dug up
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some history about an outlaw named Jim
Henry.
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Turns out he terrorized this area in the
1860s, but ended up going down in a
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hail of bullets.
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Well, Elaine, it's good to see you
again. So the story sounds like
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of a Western. What do we know about this
outlaw?
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Jim Henry was a common crook that was in
and out of prison for many, many years
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before he came to this area.
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And where does it go from there?
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Well, in early 1864, Jim meets a man
named John Mason.
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They are both Confederate supporters,
and they form the Mason -Henry gang. And
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they become these guerrilla fighters,
almost like small -time terrorists.
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All right, so what happens?
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Well, on November 10th of 1864, after
Lincoln's re -election, they began
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brutally murdering all of the union
supporters that they could find. In
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they killed 16 people.
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A reward is now posted for their arrest
of $1 ,500 each.
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Okay. And this is actually the notice
that's placed.
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So $1 ,500 was a lot of money back then.
Does it help them get caught?
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Yes. Jim Henry set up a camp in a
wilderness area.
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in the San Jacinto Canyon.
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It's about 1 .5 miles from your client's
house.
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Okay, so that's close.
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Very close.
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Well, in September of 1865, Jim sends
John Rogers, one of his henchmen, into
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Bernardino to get some horseshoe nails.
But he cannot resist stopping in a
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saloon for a drink, and he stops in
Whiskey Point. Here is a photo of the
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Once Rogers started drinking, he could
not stop.
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And then he got drunk, and then he
started bragging about his connection to
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Mason Henry gang.
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Okay, so he's got a big mouth.
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Right. And then union men in the bar
take note, and they run and they get the
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sheriff. His name is Benjamin Matthews.
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And he gathers up a posse, and he forces
Rogers to take them to the gang's camp.
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All right, so we got the sheriff here
and a posse going out for these guys.
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happened? Well, the posse approaches at
sunrise.
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Okay. And Jim Henry hears their
footsteps, fires off three shots.
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But ultimately, he dies in a hail of
gunfire, sustaining 57 wounds.
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Okay, so they lit him up good.
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Henry's body was taken into town,
photographed, and displayed like a
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Okay, so they wanted to send a message
to everybody.
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This is what happens when you mess
around.
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Yeah. He got his just desserts at the
end, that's for sure.
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I'm seeing one dead male and his horse.
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This is like old Western times.
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His name is Joseph.
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Do you get anything else on this man?
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He was probably like late 20s, early
30s, kind of scruffy.
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Is this somebody that the looking here
would have experiences with? He might
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have been somebody who showed up to get
moved on because he really wants to get
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moved on.
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I don't like him.
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So far, I've got a family being
terrorized by bizarre experiences on a
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near the Temecula Canyon massacre.
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where over 100 Native Americans were
murdered. But I want to see if there's
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anything else.
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Searching through old records, I come
across several disturbing articles about
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serial killer who was active in this
area.
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So I reached out to a retired cop who
knew all about this case.
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She says when I hear about what this
lunatic did, I'm going to be really
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off.
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Well, it's good to see you again,
Cheryl.
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Appreciate you helping me out.
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Before we get into what this did, what
do we know about it? So here's what we
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know. William Suff was born in 1950.
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Okay. Around 16, his dad abandoned the
family and left mom.
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Mom remarried a guy who wound up being
verbally abusive to the children.
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So, listen, I got abused verbally as a
child. I never became a serial killer.
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What's this guy's problem? What happened
to him next?
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Well, in 1969, he winds up marrying a 16
-year -old girl.
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They have two children.
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September 25th, 1973, they find the two
-month -old daughter, Dijanae, dead on
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the bathroom floor.
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Let's start with the kid. This child had
13 broken ribs, a bite wound to the
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abdomen, fractured shoulder, a cigarette
burn on the sole of her foot, and the
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cause of death was ultimately determined
to be massive hemorrhaging from a
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ruptured liver.
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And Self wanted to blame all of this on
his four -year -old son.
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All right, so the cops didn't buy that
story, I hope. No, of course not. The
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officers didn't buy that. As a matter of
fact, he and his wife were both
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arrested and charged in the murder of
two -month -old Dijon A. And here's a
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of his booking photo.
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All right, so this happened in Texas.
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Did this guy plead out, go to trial?
What happened?
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What ultimately happened is that he was
convicted by a jury. He was sentenced to
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70 years in prison.
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And then Suff only served 10 of those 70
years and was later paroled in 1984.
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All right, so this guy gets out after 10
years for killing a two -month -old.
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And it's some bull. I mean, what
happened to him after that?
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Well, he relocates to Lake Elsinore
where he finds employment in a general
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store. Okay. There he meets this young
girl named Cheryl. She's 17 years old,
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suffers 39.
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He charms her, and after a brief
courtship, they wind up getting married.
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And the couple had a daughter named
Bridget. The police are ultimately
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the home, and they find three -month
-old Bridget, who's now...
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suffering brain damage as a result of a
massive beating.
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You've got to be kidding me. So he does
it again?
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He does it again.
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Oddly, neither parent was charged.
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That's insane.
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And I know it becomes serial killer at
some point. When did that start?
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Shortly after this, there are a series
of murdered victims who begin to appear.
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Okay. Here's a map that shows the area
in Lake Elsinore where many of them were
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found. And what's significant about this
is that they weren't buried. They were
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just dumped out in the open. Many of the
bodies were nude.
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We also know some of the victims were
raped before being stabbed and
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So this is a lot of bodies here. I mean,
what's the proximity as far as my
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client's property?
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Now, six of the 12 for whom he had been
convicted were found within a three
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-mile radius of your client's home.
Okay. Two of those bodies were found
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than 4 ,000 feet from your client's
home.
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All right, so I know they wound up
catching this sick, but I mean, how'd
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happen? So in January 1992, Seth is
stopped by police officers when he makes
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illegal U -turn. They open up the van,
and inside they find handcuffs, a
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patrol cap, and a sleeping bag with
fibers that match the fibers that were
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on some of the victims.
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Okay, so now we got evidence.
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Did he go to trial? Yes. In June 1995, a
Riverside County jury found Seth guilty
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of killing 12 women. However, the police
believe he killed at least 22 other
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women.
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He still sits on death row at the age of
70.
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Okay, so had this guy never gotten out
in Texas for a murder of a two -month
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-old, none of these other women would be
dead right now. We wouldn't be here
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having this discussion.
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I am like getting the image of a little
girl running down the stairs and like
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screaming and crying.
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You know, there's a lot of fear and
anxiety here. Like, literally could feel
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running through.
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The living are getting up, freaking out
from whatever the f*** happened, which
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is them being attacked and panicking and
running down screaming.
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I saw several disturbing things on my
walk, but one of the tricksters
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the living has me the most concerned.
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There was a female laying on the bed,
and above her, this
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thing is coming out of the ceiling.
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Its head is weird. The face is perfectly
flat, very long hands, very
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long fingers.
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Maybe longer hair.
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Amy, is this what you saw?
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Yes.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations, we're ready to reveal
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findings to each other and our clients
for the first time.
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Well, guys, I'd like you to meet Amy.
She's going to be doing a reveal from
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another room so she can concentrate on
the dead and your case without any
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distractions.
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00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:13,850
Amy, I'd like you to meet Austin and his
mom, Elena.
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The three generations that live here in
the house, Austin's grandmother, Judy,
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and his sister, Delaney, who's 13.
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These guys are convinced that whatever's
here is torturing them, and that's why
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they called us in.
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So unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll describe a walk for us.
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As soon as I went into the backyard, I
was like, oh, wow.
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There is this energy.
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It comes from the hill here and just
flowing right into your house.
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This energy opens people up and
heightens their abilities.
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00:28:56,210 --> 00:29:02,350
So all of a sudden, bam, you know, you
have, you know, these abilities and they
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are like on.
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But if you're a medium, you're going to
suddenly notice dead people showing up.
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00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:14,390
And they're showing up because suddenly
your abilities are either heightened or
463
00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:18,690
completely opened. And now the dead are
like, boo, right there.
464
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:26,140
I have for quite a while been able to
sense things that aren't there.
465
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,180
Also hear voices, heard them say my
name, heard them talking.
466
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,600
I do have a similar thing.
467
00:29:33,860 --> 00:29:39,560
I'll also have the same exact thought in
my mind as another person that I'm with
468
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,740
a lot of the time.
469
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,180
Yeah, I'm curious what you think about
as far as who the sensitives are in the
470
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:46,180
family, obviously.
471
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:53,080
So, Melaina, I got that you're like a
psychic empath slash healer. Wow.
472
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,580
Austin, telepathy.
473
00:29:56,860 --> 00:30:00,660
Now, Amy, you said if someone in the
house has abilities, more dead show up.
474
00:30:00,940 --> 00:30:05,280
Melaina believes her father who died in
the house is here, and you don't think
475
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:06,280
he's moved on.
476
00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:07,720
Let me show you a picture.
477
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,020
Really? Yeah, this is him right here
with Judy.
478
00:30:11,420 --> 00:30:16,260
I feel him around us, and I feel he kind
of comes and goes.
479
00:30:16,860 --> 00:30:18,460
Do you think he's here?
480
00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:23,020
Mm -mm. Didn't see him.
481
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:26,800
That's a good thing.
482
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:31,840
Yeah. There's one other thing I want you
to know about, and that involves
483
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,840
Milena.
484
00:30:33,300 --> 00:30:36,580
A month after her father passed, she had
a tragic accident.
485
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,460
It wasn't her fault, but a guy on a
motorcycle lost his life.
486
00:30:40,860 --> 00:30:44,420
It was very traumatic. He was younger.
He was 27.
487
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,580
It was just a really, it's still
difficult.
488
00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:52,140
Do you think it's possible that he's
attached to her?
489
00:30:55,660 --> 00:30:57,740
No, I don't get that at all.
490
00:31:01,740 --> 00:31:05,800
The next thing that I encountered are
the biggest problem here.
491
00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:10,240
They are two entities who roam through
the house together.
492
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,780
One is pretty small.
493
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:19,420
He has like this little kind of skeleton
body, but a male human head.
494
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:26,440
The other one was very, very tall. And
at first I thought the
495
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,860
tall one was possibly a shadow being.
496
00:31:31,060 --> 00:31:35,680
And I'm like, okay, maybe these are both
tricksters.
497
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,640
And then the little one got up on the
big one's shoulder. And that's kind of
498
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,640
they travel around.
499
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:45,640
So, a few things we need to talk about,
obviously.
500
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Boston, we'll start with you. Talk about
the dark shadows you see in the house.
501
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:55,280
Around the time that we moved in, I
started consistently seeing a shadow
502
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,900
that would watch me every time I would
climb the stairs at night.
503
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,760
We've seen several shadow figures.
504
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,640
It was almost like a triangle or a
diagonal or something.
505
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,220
I do feel like there is something here
that is diabolical.
506
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,620
Amy, in the past, you've said tricksters
are usually Native Americans.
507
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:19,280
I did find some tragic history about the
tribe that lived in this area called
508
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,400
the Los Sueño Indians.
509
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,500
Lived here for like 10 ,000 years.
510
00:32:22,700 --> 00:32:28,660
In 1798, the Spanish missionaries
established a settlement nearby, but
511
00:32:28,660 --> 00:32:32,540
the natives got sick from smallpox,
measles, influenza.
512
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:37,780
Now, things actually got worse for them.
In 1846, when the Mexican -American War
513
00:32:37,780 --> 00:32:42,440
started, it led to one of the
bloodiest... battles in this region's
514
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,760
was called the Temecula Canyon Massacre.
515
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,540
It's estimated that over 100 Lasleños
were killed that day.
516
00:32:48,860 --> 00:32:53,680
Now, is it possible these tricksters are
coming from that tribe?
517
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,300
They were not associated with any tribe.
518
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:05,480
The best that I can, you know, come up
with would be some type of
519
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,820
unknown, like, interdimensional
520
00:33:11,439 --> 00:33:14,220
Now, you said you were nervous about
these pictures.
521
00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:15,420
Why was that?
522
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,640
These things are not good.
523
00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:26,100
I saw one of them coming out of the
ceiling. And there's somebody in the bed
524
00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:27,100
sleeping.
525
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:34,300
This thing is like right on them.
Everybody seems to be waking up from
526
00:33:34,300 --> 00:33:35,300
nightmares.
527
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:39,760
I had a nightmare where the demon is
chasing me around the house.
528
00:33:40,100 --> 00:33:44,560
All of a sudden, all of the lights, all
my vision turns completely red.
529
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,160
And the next thing I know, we're in
hell. And I'm trying to get away from
530
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,360
thing. Maureen, if you can, do me a
favor and tell Amy about the nightmare
531
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,060
had about your dad and how he looked to
you.
532
00:33:56,420 --> 00:34:02,500
A couple nights before he passed, I had
a dream I went into this abandoned
533
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:03,500
building almost.
534
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:09,780
He was in a coffin, and he was emaciated
and just looked terrifying.
535
00:34:10,260 --> 00:34:15,480
It just was torturing me. I don't sleep.
I can't.
536
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,000
It's hard to function.
537
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,920
Could these tricksters have created
those nightmares?
538
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:22,159
Oh, yeah.
539
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:25,380
I had a sketch done of what I saw.
540
00:34:34,380 --> 00:34:38,460
The way you described it and the way
they drew this was pretty accurate.
541
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,040
What?
542
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:50,040
That looks like Delaney. I know, that's
what's freaking
543
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,040
me out, too.
544
00:34:54,020 --> 00:34:57,480
That makes a lot of sense, because
that's the feeling you get at night when
545
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,480
try to go to sleep.
546
00:35:00,270 --> 00:35:04,270
The thing I'm most worried about is what
I saw them doing in the bedroom I'm in
547
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:06,350
now. That's Judy's room, the grandma.
548
00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:11,390
The living woman was seeing these hands
come up from the end of the bed, and it
549
00:35:11,390 --> 00:35:13,450
was completely overwhelming for her.
550
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:14,950
That is chilling.
551
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:17,390
That just gave me the chills. Yeah.
552
00:35:17,770 --> 00:35:18,729
I had to tell.
553
00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:23,590
Grandma's not the only one having issues
with physical stuff happening to the
554
00:35:23,590 --> 00:35:27,010
bedroom. My bed shakes on a...
555
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:28,840
nightly basis.
556
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,840
You had something happen to you in the
bed too, right? Oh yeah, several times.
557
00:35:32,340 --> 00:35:37,580
My bed got punched like as hard as
someone could punch it right in between
558
00:35:37,580 --> 00:35:41,760
feet. It feels like somebody's nudging
the bed, like wig up.
559
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:48,040
Wait, do you get pinched? Yeah. At
night, my leg, it's like fingernails.
560
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:52,400
like a nerve pain. It's like something
just... The stuff you just heard, is
561
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,000
some of it or all of it from these
tricksters?
562
00:35:55,530 --> 00:35:59,090
I believe, you know, like 98%, yeah.
563
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:08,350
The other stuff that I got was the
ability for them to make the living
564
00:36:08,350 --> 00:36:09,350
here physically ill.
565
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:14,670
There is one living woman in particular
here who's getting really the worst of
566
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:21,350
it. I was feeling horrible physical pain
with this person. She is very ill,
567
00:36:21,530 --> 00:36:23,610
lots of anxiety and heart issues.
568
00:36:24,330 --> 00:36:27,550
And I did feel like she possibly could
be dying.
569
00:36:28,610 --> 00:36:35,110
My blood pressure's been out of control,
and they can't figure out what's
570
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:36,110
causing it.
571
00:36:36,430 --> 00:36:42,570
I've had anxiety attacks so bad where I
thought I was going to die.
572
00:36:43,590 --> 00:36:49,830
There have been times where she was so
bad that she kind of would tell us,
573
00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:53,750
to prepare for something like that.
574
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:59,190
And that was very difficult. And I could
tell that for a while it was almost
575
00:36:59,190 --> 00:37:00,670
like she was giving up the battle.
576
00:37:01,470 --> 00:37:08,190
I gave him the pin to my account because
I didn't have a will and I put
577
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:13,210
all the last names on every contact I
had in my phone. So if he had to contact
578
00:37:13,210 --> 00:37:14,250
anybody, he could.
579
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:21,610
The dead and the energy coming from the
hill outside can wreak havoc.
580
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:28,540
on the human body that kind of energy
and being exposed to it
581
00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:35,300
consistently is going to make people who
are sensitive that encounter
582
00:37:35,300 --> 00:37:41,700
it become very drained and lethargic
it's hard
583
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:48,480
it's hard i picture myself in a
wheelchair it inhibits
584
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,500
my life i don't know what else To try.
585
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,380
I don't feel like I can be a fully
functioning mom.
586
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:19,240
So we got bad energy.
587
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:23,030
a bunch of dead people, and these two
tricks is up to no good.
588
00:38:24,010 --> 00:38:25,510
I'd say it's a good thing you called us
in.
589
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:29,350
Now, the big question is, is there
anything you can do to fight back?
590
00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:31,770
Now, for that answer, I'm going to turn
it over to Amy.
591
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:40,650
Honestly, I don't know how you can even
spend more than a couple of hours in
592
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:41,650
this house.
593
00:38:42,130 --> 00:38:48,670
Being sensitive, this is just not a
healthy place.
594
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,440
to be at all.
595
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:58,940
I would definitely recommend that you
move as soon as
596
00:38:58,940 --> 00:38:59,940
possible.
597
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,580
I know that's not what you want to hear,
but everything is working against you
598
00:39:06,580 --> 00:39:12,940
here. And I feel like if you were to
stay here, your health and I just really
599
00:39:12,940 --> 00:39:18,300
worried that it's just not good.
600
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:19,880
There's nothing good here.
601
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:27,300
Yeah, it's just one thing after another
and it never ceases here.
602
00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:34,160
The first thing that I would like to
have happen, if you are to move,
603
00:39:34,460 --> 00:39:41,400
would be counseling for the family as a
whole to heal from this. You
604
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,280
know, dealing with PTSD, you know, that
can be long -lasting and the effects can
605
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,350
get... more severe over time.
606
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:52,870
These guys were saying they've been
fighting more, so that could help.
607
00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:59,410
Milena, the other thing I would like for
you to do would be to go for grief
608
00:39:59,410 --> 00:40:06,030
counseling for specifically the
accident. I think you might have some
609
00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:07,650
survivor's guilt there.
610
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:14,170
These are the things that I think would
be the road to a better life and
611
00:40:14,170 --> 00:40:17,450
recovery and then learning how to deal
with it.
612
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,540
All of the abilities that you guys have.
613
00:40:20,940 --> 00:40:23,680
Is this something you guys are going to
think about or is this something that
614
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,880
you're going to do?
615
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,400
Our family matters the most.
616
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:34,220
And making sure that we're all safe,
that we're all healthy is what matters
617
00:40:34,220 --> 00:40:35,220
most.
618
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:41,260
Amy's been the first person to give me a
way to feel better.
619
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:47,700
So if I have a treatment plan, I would
be really foolish not to. to take it.
620
00:40:47,940 --> 00:40:48,940
Yeah.
621
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:55,700
Getting past this chapter is honestly
what I want more
622
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:57,900
than staying.
623
00:40:58,900 --> 00:41:01,820
I think we know what we have to do.
624
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:04,240
We'll find a place that works.
625
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,080
There is a light at the end of this
tunnel.
626
00:41:07,540 --> 00:41:08,540
Yeah.
627
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,920
It is always very difficult to tell
someone they need to leave their home.
628
00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:20,020
But in a situation as dangerous as this,
it's their only option. Hopefully
629
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:25,680
Austin and Melania's family take my
advice, leave this place behind, and get
630
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,160
fresh start somewhere new.
631
00:41:32,300 --> 00:41:33,580
Hi, Dead Files.
632
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,240
So a little update since you guys have
been here.
633
00:41:38,620 --> 00:41:44,360
We found a PTSD grief counselor that
we're going to be pursuing therapy with.
634
00:41:44,810 --> 00:41:46,230
We're also looking at moving.
635
00:41:46,590 --> 00:41:51,850
Currently, we are planning on staying
until we find a good place to go to.
636
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:58,610
We really thank you and look forward to
what's next on our journey. Thank you
637
00:41:58,610 --> 00:41:59,610
for helping our family.
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