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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,250 --> 00:00:14,270 I'm seeing a big winged creature. 2 00:00:14,590 --> 00:00:17,530 This is a potential threat to their life. 3 00:00:18,390 --> 00:00:20,870 I think it wants to kill me. I think it wants me dead. 4 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:26,270 I've been in law enforcement. I've done things to protect others, but I can't do 5 00:00:26,270 --> 00:00:27,049 anything here. 6 00:00:27,050 --> 00:00:29,350 It wants to take a child here. 7 00:00:31,750 --> 00:00:34,050 I felt a visible finger touch my back. 8 00:00:34,490 --> 00:00:36,050 We're dealing with a possession. 9 00:00:37,090 --> 00:00:39,370 I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 10 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:46,620 This thing is pure evil. I think that many would refer to it as a demon. 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,320 Ooh, the dark is getting darker. 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,180 My name is Amy Allen. 13 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:54,120 I see dead people. 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:55,940 There is a skinwalker here. 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,300 I speak to dead people. 16 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:00,040 And they speak to me. 17 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,500 He wants to collect the women. 18 00:01:02,780 --> 00:01:05,760 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,430 There. Stalking the life out of these people. 20 00:01:10,110 --> 00:01:11,550 I rely on my partner. 21 00:01:11,770 --> 00:01:14,990 I'm Steve DeShavu. I'm a retired New York City homicide detective. 22 00:01:15,390 --> 00:01:18,530 This is the kind of case that would have haunted me. And I know every person, 23 00:01:18,650 --> 00:01:21,070 every house has secrets. 24 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:25,890 It's my job to reveal them. But Steve and I never speak. We never communicate 25 00:01:25,890 --> 00:01:26,890 during an investigation. 26 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:28,450 Until the very end. 27 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:29,910 Is that what I think it is? 28 00:01:30,220 --> 00:01:34,300 Yes. When we uncover if it saved you to stay. I told you he was trying to kill 29 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:35,300 me. 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,600 We're time to get out. You have a dead person inside you. 31 00:01:53,340 --> 00:01:56,360 I'm out here in Oakland, Oregon. It's about an hour south of Eugene. 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,400 I got a call from a couple, Jamie and Scott. Now. 33 00:01:59,740 --> 00:02:03,120 They say whatever's in their house is evil and is going after their kids. 34 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:08,800 We just want help so we can live a life where there's not this black cloud 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:09,800 hanging over us. 36 00:02:10,020 --> 00:02:13,000 They seem like good people, and I'm hoping Amy and I can help them out. 37 00:02:31,500 --> 00:02:33,840 I feel darkness in here. 38 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:41,480 It, like, literally hits you in the stomach, like this anger. 39 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:46,500 I think this is a living person who is experiencing this anger. 40 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:54,780 I feel like someone in here is being influenced. 41 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,540 Yeah, it's scaring me. 42 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,220 So, Jamie, I'm glad I'm here because when you and I spoke on the phone, it 43 00:03:12,220 --> 00:03:13,320 didn't sound like things were good here. 44 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:14,800 No, they're not. 45 00:03:15,100 --> 00:03:17,220 It's scary. It's uncomfortable. 46 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,800 Like, we just constantly feel on edge. 47 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:22,520 Now, who all lives in the house? 48 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,020 So, this is a picture. 49 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:32,040 Okay. Who we got here? So, this is Hunter. He is seven. My husband, Scott, 50 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,620 then our son, Braden, who is 16, and then Alex is in the front, and he is 12. 51 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:38,200 Okay. So, it's a big family. 52 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,480 Yes. 53 00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:43,140 Okay, so Jamie, do me a favor and give me a list of what's going on. We are 54 00:03:43,140 --> 00:03:44,140 hearing voices. 55 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,380 Things are moving on their own. 56 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,920 We're seeing dark shadow figures. 57 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:51,280 Sudden mood changes. 58 00:03:52,340 --> 00:03:54,180 What kind of mood changes are we talking about? 59 00:03:54,420 --> 00:03:58,160 It'll just be a regular day and we'll be fine. And then all of a sudden, my 60 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,280 husband or I will just get super angry. 61 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,500 It feels like I'm going to explode. 62 00:04:04,260 --> 00:04:05,940 Now, are the kids being affected by the mood swings? 63 00:04:06,300 --> 00:04:07,320 Our seven -year -old, Hunter. 64 00:04:07,790 --> 00:04:11,630 He gets angry with his siblings and he will sometimes hit them. 65 00:04:12,330 --> 00:04:14,990 And, like, sorry. 66 00:04:15,330 --> 00:04:16,330 It's okay. 67 00:04:17,589 --> 00:04:18,690 Hunter's my baby. 68 00:04:19,149 --> 00:04:25,810 And to see him so angry and acting the way that he 69 00:04:25,810 --> 00:04:29,050 acts and knowing that that's not him is really hard. 70 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:30,390 It's really hard. 71 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:33,010 Because he's a good kid. 72 00:04:34,110 --> 00:04:36,910 And I can't do anything about it. I can't stop it. 73 00:04:37,530 --> 00:04:40,730 Okay. Here, take my... Okay. 74 00:04:40,950 --> 00:04:41,950 Thank you. 75 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:45,290 It's got to be tough being a parent trying to be strong all the time. 76 00:04:46,030 --> 00:04:47,030 It's hard. 77 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:55,150 Oof, I do not like it in here. 78 00:04:56,410 --> 00:05:03,170 When I first walked in, what I saw was like a big 79 00:05:03,170 --> 00:05:05,690 winged creature. 80 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,600 And I'm like, oh, no. 81 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:10,540 Can you describe this thing in any more detail? 82 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:17,780 It's big, and it had bat wings, and it had a long, thin neck, and it 83 00:05:17,780 --> 00:05:20,680 just made me sick. It consists of evil. 84 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,320 So it's never been human or anything like that. 85 00:05:27,700 --> 00:05:31,680 I feel like it's in the person, I think, this living person. 86 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,980 And it's making them angry and lash out. 87 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:39,190 Bad, because that would be some kind of possession. 88 00:05:46,270 --> 00:05:51,070 All right, Jamie, so what's going on in here? 89 00:05:51,370 --> 00:05:54,410 I feel like I'm constantly being watched by something. 90 00:05:54,710 --> 00:05:57,270 Any place in particular worse than others? 91 00:05:57,470 --> 00:05:59,270 Yeah, in the shower in the master bathroom. 92 00:05:59,710 --> 00:06:04,110 I won't take a shower alone upstairs anymore. My husband has to be in the 93 00:06:04,110 --> 00:06:05,590 bathroom. All right, so it's that bad. 94 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:06,980 Yeah. Anything else? 95 00:06:07,220 --> 00:06:13,540 I have seen shadow figures all over the house. Do me a favor and describe what 96 00:06:13,540 --> 00:06:14,139 you're seeing. 97 00:06:14,140 --> 00:06:16,440 It's usually something that's dark. 98 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:18,560 Okay. And it moves very quickly. 99 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,340 Did you get a sense of, like, the size of it, the mass? 100 00:06:22,860 --> 00:06:28,160 If I could compare it to anything, it would be compared to a child, maybe 9 or 101 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:29,160 10 years old. 102 00:06:29,180 --> 00:06:30,260 It's scary. 103 00:06:32,500 --> 00:06:33,500 Very uncomfortable. 104 00:06:35,470 --> 00:06:41,290 I feel like I'm in this bed and I'm seeing somebody standing at the door. 105 00:06:41,530 --> 00:06:44,990 But what they're seeing is this winged thing. 106 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:51,730 And then like being like, no, no, no, and looking again and they're gone. 107 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:57,830 What I'm seeing through this living person is them seeing this, you know, 108 00:06:57,830 --> 00:07:03,690 illusion of whatever is standing at the door, also seeing it at the end of the 109 00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:04,790 bed at some point. 110 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:14,170 So I feel like a living person here knows that this is a potential threat 111 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:16,110 to their life. 112 00:07:22,850 --> 00:07:24,310 So what's going on in here? 113 00:07:24,910 --> 00:07:29,210 Sometimes I will be up here on the bed and it will feel like someone has gotten 114 00:07:29,210 --> 00:07:33,010 on the bed with me. So when this happens, what the hell goes through your 115 00:07:33,390 --> 00:07:35,830 I get very scared and emotional. 116 00:07:36,290 --> 00:07:39,810 I mean, that was scary to me too. It was very scary. 117 00:07:40,190 --> 00:07:41,190 Anything else? 118 00:07:41,430 --> 00:07:47,550 One night I was in here and I was awake and I felt what felt like someone had 119 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:52,870 taken their finger and ran it down my butt, like onto my leg. 120 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:54,190 What about your husband? 121 00:07:54,330 --> 00:07:55,249 He wasn't here. 122 00:07:55,250 --> 00:07:57,390 She was touched inappropriately. Yes, I was. 123 00:07:58,690 --> 00:08:00,630 What'd you do when that happened? Did you jump up? 124 00:08:00,910 --> 00:08:03,160 Yeah. I freaked out. 125 00:08:03,900 --> 00:08:05,600 I got up and I went out of the room. 126 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:06,880 I don't blame you. 127 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:08,780 Okay, so anything else? 128 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,940 I have really vivid bad nightmares. 129 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,680 Can you give me a description of what these nightmares are like? 130 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,460 I am being raped or inappropriately touched by something evil. 131 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,860 Can you see what's doing this to you? 132 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,960 I feel like it's the... 133 00:08:30,750 --> 00:08:34,710 big, dark, male presence that I don't think is human. 134 00:08:35,049 --> 00:08:36,049 What do you think it wants? 135 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:38,789 I think it wants to kill me. I think it wants me dead. 136 00:08:39,510 --> 00:08:40,510 This is no way to live. 137 00:08:40,730 --> 00:08:41,870 I don't know how you're doing this. 138 00:08:42,390 --> 00:08:44,230 Why don't you just pack up and get the hell out of here? 139 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:49,250 I wish it was that easy to just pack up a family of five and get out of here. 140 00:08:49,370 --> 00:08:50,370 And this is our home. 141 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:52,170 So you want to stay and fight? Yes. 142 00:08:52,470 --> 00:08:53,850 This is your home, not theirs? It is. 143 00:08:54,190 --> 00:08:55,410 And this is my family. 144 00:09:00,970 --> 00:09:06,290 I would be afraid to go to bed at night. Why? There's some kind of sexual 145 00:09:06,290 --> 00:09:10,930 attacks on a living person here, and it's from the winged demon thing. 146 00:09:15,790 --> 00:09:17,830 I feel the legs being held. 147 00:09:18,450 --> 00:09:20,350 I think it's lashing out. 148 00:09:20,910 --> 00:09:24,550 She's feeling larger hands, but maybe longer fingers. 149 00:09:25,510 --> 00:09:27,970 Oh, I don't like it. I'm getting my call. 150 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:30,320 Very uncomfortable. 151 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:37,840 And I feel like this person's waking up being like, what the, and knowing, 152 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:43,280 like, you want to kill me. You know what I mean? You want to kill me. 153 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,020 So, Scott, I talked to your wife earlier. 154 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,640 Yeah. What she's describing is this place just crawling with paranormal 155 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,260 activity. I mean, do you agree with that? 156 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,800 I certainly do. 157 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,440 Okay, now, have you had experiences? 158 00:10:14,700 --> 00:10:15,700 I have. 159 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,800 See, I was sitting on the couch, just kind of relaxing, and I just felt like 160 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,800 this large thump right in the back of the couch. 161 00:10:23,140 --> 00:10:26,360 My first thought was, you know, one of the dogs ran into it or something. 162 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,360 Right. You know, I take a look back there. 163 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:30,680 There's nothing. 164 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,060 So this thing really, you felt it? 165 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,780 Absolutely. It moved me forward. 166 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:39,180 That was my first real experience, and that was kind of like, God, this is 167 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:41,620 That's a hell of a first experience to have. Right? 168 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:43,120 So what else? 169 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,600 Well, a couple times I've seen this shadow figure. It's really fast, always 170 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,080 racing down this hallway down here. 171 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,020 So, Scott, can you describe the size of this thing, this shadow? 172 00:10:54,580 --> 00:10:57,020 Well, it could have been the size of a child about yay high. 173 00:10:57,540 --> 00:11:00,700 Okay. All right, so have you ever seen anything else like that? 174 00:11:01,130 --> 00:11:05,830 Yes. It was about a week ago. I woke up in the middle of the night, and I see 175 00:11:05,830 --> 00:11:07,390 this giant shadow thing. 176 00:11:08,390 --> 00:11:11,550 If it was a person, it would be about six and a half feet tall. It was huge, 177 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:13,210 leaned over my wife. 178 00:11:13,810 --> 00:11:17,750 I jump out of bed, you know, to get a better look. What's going on? 179 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:19,450 There's nothing there. 180 00:11:19,830 --> 00:11:20,789 It's gone. 181 00:11:20,790 --> 00:11:24,850 Now, do you think maybe you were dreaming this, or this is something that 182 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:27,430 actually saw? No, this is actually something I saw. 183 00:11:27,930 --> 00:11:29,610 It was such darkness. 184 00:11:31,140 --> 00:11:35,180 That, you know, light couldn't even penetrate. It was just dark, dark mass. 185 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:37,320 Man, I don't know. 186 00:11:38,420 --> 00:11:39,640 It's just, it was evil. 187 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:45,320 I think that was the first time when I really felt helpless that something was, 188 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:50,320 you know, essentially, I don't know, harming, feeding, what it was doing to 189 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,180 wife, but I can't do anything about it. Yeah, you seem upset about it. 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480 It's very upsetting. 191 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,400 Not being able to protect your family is the worst feeling in the world for a 192 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,900 man. It makes me feel utterly useless. 193 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,520 I've been in combat. I've been in law enforcement. 194 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:10,200 I've done things to protect others, but I can't do anything here. 195 00:12:10,740 --> 00:12:12,640 My hands are tied. I have nothing. 196 00:12:16,660 --> 00:12:19,880 I saw two freaking kids come in. 197 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,800 Then I really look, and I see, oh, it's only one kid. 198 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,560 This is a dead child, and it's a boy. 199 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,960 maybe three to five years old, light hair, old -fashioned clothing. 200 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:38,360 And the other one is a shadow figure that's like a child shadow figure. 201 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:40,500 So it does sing. 202 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,920 It's capable of doing things and physically interacting. So I'm wondering 203 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,940 like, living people feel this thing, you know, like jumping on 204 00:12:52,940 --> 00:12:57,260 the sofa or sitting on the sofa, like hard neck. 205 00:12:57,530 --> 00:13:03,910 to them so like crawling into the bed or jumping on you know the bed with them 206 00:13:03,910 --> 00:13:05,290 living people in it 207 00:13:05,290 --> 00:13:11,730 after 208 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:18,450 speaking with jamie and scott i met with their kids in the living room my 209 00:13:18,450 --> 00:13:23,990 tv it turns on and off randomly another thing is that i hear voices 210 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:28,030 It wears me out. All of them are having bad experiences. 211 00:13:28,450 --> 00:13:32,510 There's toys back there, and they're shuffling at night as I'm sleeping. I 212 00:13:32,510 --> 00:13:35,770 up to go look at them, see what's in there. It freaks me out when there's 213 00:13:35,770 --> 00:13:37,230 nothing, and my brother is asleep. 214 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:41,650 But what's got me most concerned is what that seven -year -old hunter is dealing 215 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:46,390 with. Once I was sitting down on the couch, and then I felt a visible finger 216 00:13:46,390 --> 00:13:47,390 touch my back. 217 00:13:47,790 --> 00:13:48,790 Okay. 218 00:13:49,290 --> 00:13:52,570 Sometimes my tummy just hurts really bad. 219 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,620 There's some bad stuff he's got going on here. 220 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,700 If you could talk to whatever's here, what would you say to him? 221 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:04,380 I'd want to say to it that, can you please go away? Don't harm anyone. Don't 222 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:05,680 make sure this family falls apart. 223 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,440 I love them too much. Just please go away. Okay. 224 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,660 I do see the shadow child in here, big time. 225 00:14:13,860 --> 00:14:20,620 And the other kid, the real dead child. That makes me concerned about 226 00:14:20,620 --> 00:14:22,480 kid living here. 227 00:14:23,070 --> 00:14:27,990 Because that means, you know, this shadow successfully killed the kid. 228 00:14:31,070 --> 00:14:34,730 I believe that it wants to take a child here. 229 00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:42,130 I think that it wants a child in this house, a living child, to come 230 00:14:42,130 --> 00:14:45,870 with it. So that would entail killing that kid. 231 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:03,380 So I made all my usual calls when I got here, and I just heard back from a 232 00:15:03,380 --> 00:15:06,240 genealogist. She told me she found something. 233 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,140 Turns out one of the first owners of Jamie and Scott's property suffered from 234 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:12,560 the second they set foot on the land. 235 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:24,060 Well, Jonathan, I appreciate you helping me out with this case. So who's this 236 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:25,060 family? 237 00:15:25,100 --> 00:15:28,580 Well, the Maupin family were among some of the earliest European... 238 00:15:28,940 --> 00:15:32,960 pioneers out here settling in Oregon. Okay. They were here by the mid -1800s, 239 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,880 and they managed to accumulate more than 1 ,000 acres of land here in Douglas 240 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,160 County. All right. So, Janice, when did things go bad for the Maupins? 241 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Just about from the beginning. 242 00:15:42,500 --> 00:15:46,560 Patriarch of the family, Garrett Maupin, was a farmer, but he seems to have had 243 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:52,120 a bit of a drinking problem. Okay. In 1866, he was driving his horse -run cart 244 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,640 with some bales of cotton. 245 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,320 He had his 11 -year -old son with him. Okay. 246 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,040 Overturned the cart. 247 00:15:58,860 --> 00:16:03,380 Son was thrown free, but Garrett didn't do so well. The bales of cotton ended up 248 00:16:03,380 --> 00:16:05,420 on top of him and suffocated to death. 249 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,840 What a miserable way to go. 250 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:08,300 He was only 44. 251 00:16:08,580 --> 00:16:11,300 Who says he was intoxicated? I mean, what happened to the kid? 252 00:16:11,580 --> 00:16:15,460 Well, Garrett's son, Captain, decided to follow in his father's footsteps, and 253 00:16:15,460 --> 00:16:16,520 he became a farmer also. 254 00:16:16,780 --> 00:16:21,060 And then in 1918, Captain and his wife, Minnie, bought the property that you're 255 00:16:21,060 --> 00:16:22,200 actually investigating right now. 256 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,300 And this is a photo of Captain and Minnie on their wedding day. 257 00:16:26,220 --> 00:16:27,880 All right, so did things go better for them? 258 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Captain and Minnie were a hardworking farming couple, but eventually that kind 259 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,760 of work does catch up to you. 260 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:38,500 So Captain started having heart problems, spent the last two weeks of 261 00:16:38,500 --> 00:16:43,760 bedridden, and he died on December 1, 1934 in the house. Okay. 262 00:16:43,980 --> 00:16:45,860 And he was 79 years old when he died. 263 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,120 All right, so now he's dead. What about Minnie? Is she still alive? 264 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,160 She was still alive when Captain died, but within the next two years, she was 265 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:54,680 diagnosed with myocarditis. 266 00:16:55,150 --> 00:16:58,450 That's a problem with the heart where the electrical impulses are starting to 267 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:04,010 fail and the heart begins beating irregularly. So she died June 3rd, 1936 268 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:06,609 house. Okay. And she was 67 at the time. 269 00:17:07,550 --> 00:17:11,069 So this family coming from Europe trying to do the right thing and the American 270 00:17:11,069 --> 00:17:14,250 dream and all, 1 ,000 acres of land and again on my client's property and 271 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:15,250 everything goes to hell. 272 00:17:17,089 --> 00:17:21,530 I'm seeing this dead woman, very, very long hair. 273 00:17:21,849 --> 00:17:23,970 She's thick, thin with a twisted face. 274 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,960 I think she grew up here, you know, she lived her whole life here. 275 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:37,200 I saw her as a young girl. She was having to bring water to her home or 276 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,840 farm. It was hard work. And I got that she had heart issues when she was alive. 277 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,700 Then she grows older. 278 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:48,360 Then she dies. 279 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,580 She is in a decomposing, kind of mummified state. 280 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,940 She's super powerful when it comes to harvesting electricity. 281 00:17:59,700 --> 00:18:06,460 So the living may have issues with electrical stuff here. She does this 282 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:07,460 is angry. 283 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,720 She is upset because she turned into like her father as she aged. So she 284 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,580 became kind of a mean, bitchy woman. 285 00:18:21,729 --> 00:18:24,450 So I just got a call from my old friend, Jeff Davis. 286 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:28,710 Now, he's worked with me on a lot of cases over the years. And he said he 287 00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:30,830 the story of a love triangle that turned deadly. 288 00:18:39,730 --> 00:18:42,570 Jeff, it's good to see you again. This love triangle, who's the players? 289 00:18:43,170 --> 00:18:47,590 Well, the two guys were Alfred Kincaid and Samuel Brown. 290 00:18:47,830 --> 00:18:49,930 Okay. Both of them were about 21 years old. 291 00:18:50,300 --> 00:18:52,940 All right, so I've got to assume both these guys were in love with the same 292 00:18:52,940 --> 00:18:54,700 woman. What do we know about her? 293 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:57,940 Well, not very much. She's just listed out as Miss Mattoon. 294 00:18:58,220 --> 00:18:59,199 So what happened? 295 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,660 On August 13, 1894, Kincaid was working. 296 00:19:03,900 --> 00:19:08,920 He was demolishing a house just down the block from where he lived. Okay. And in 297 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,020 the middle of this, Kincaid's younger brother came up to him and said, Hey, 298 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,680 Brown is at our house. 299 00:19:14,980 --> 00:19:16,320 He wants to talk to you. 300 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,580 Okay. So Kincaid put his tools down. 301 00:19:19,980 --> 00:19:22,400 and started walking over to his house to meet Brown. 302 00:19:22,660 --> 00:19:25,160 But Brown was waiting for him. It was an ambush. 303 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,220 Brown pulled out a pistol and shot Kincaid in the chest. 304 00:19:30,940 --> 00:19:32,420 I assume the shot kills him. 305 00:19:32,660 --> 00:19:33,660 Yes. 306 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,500 All right, so I know this is a small town, but any idea where this happened? 307 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,580 It's not clear, but Oakland is a small town, less than a square mile, and in 308 00:19:43,580 --> 00:19:48,600 1894 it was probably even much smaller, so probably within shouting distance of 309 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:49,600 your client's property. 310 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,840 All right, so can I assume they caught this kid? 311 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,480 Yes, and he stood trial, and in December of 1894, he was found guilty of murder 312 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,020 and sentenced to be executed by hanging. 313 00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:05,160 Shortly before his execution, it was about 7 in the morning, they let him out 314 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,380 his cell to go eat breakfast, and the food was set up in the corridor outside 315 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:09,379 the cell block. 316 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:14,260 Okay. So they let him out, and a couple hours later, somebody finally said, hey. 317 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,640 He hasn't come back from breakfast yet. So they went into the corridor and found 318 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,820 that two of the bars had been sawed off the windows. 319 00:20:21,140 --> 00:20:23,460 All right, so they go look for this kid at his home? 320 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,700 Yeah, and here's where it gets really weird. He vanished. 321 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:29,300 No record of him anywhere else ever. 322 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:31,760 Okay. 323 00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,220 I see two men fighting. 324 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:37,600 They had a gun. 325 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,340 One male has very light brown hair. 326 00:20:43,290 --> 00:20:46,730 He was very, very thin and I think short. 327 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:50,490 And I'd put their ages between 25 and 35. 328 00:20:51,130 --> 00:20:55,270 They come into the room fighting. They fall on the floor again. So I'm like, 329 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:58,750 okay, apparently these dudes are like always fighting. 330 00:21:00,710 --> 00:21:04,250 So I would think that the living might hear stuff rolling around on the floor, 331 00:21:04,330 --> 00:21:05,730 which is them rolling around on the floor. 332 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:09,550 I heard the handgun go off. 333 00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:12,130 One of them was murdered. 334 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,760 For more information about the show, and if you need us to investigate 335 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,300 unexplained activity in your home, please visit TravelChannel .com slash 336 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:29,059 Dead Files. 337 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:32,520 Click on Help Me Dead Files to submit your story, and we'll help if we can. 338 00:21:42,460 --> 00:21:45,980 So far, I've got clients who believe the paranormal is tearing their family 339 00:21:45,980 --> 00:21:49,400 apart on a property where a young man was ambushed and murdered. 340 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,700 But I'd like to see if there's anything else. 341 00:21:56,360 --> 00:22:00,160 Searching through old records, I find a tragic story about a teenager who 342 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,780 murdered a 55 -year -old man. 343 00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:05,680 Turns out this homicide happened less than a mile from Jamie and Scott's 344 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:06,680 property. 345 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,760 So I'm heading over to meet a historian who says this case still has locals 346 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:12,760 shaking their heads. 347 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:22,750 Doug, I appreciate you helping me out with this homicide. 348 00:22:23,790 --> 00:22:24,790 Who was the victim? 349 00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:29,190 Merrill Ormsby, 55 years old, who just recently moved to Oakland, and he lived 350 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:32,430 in a trailer just a few thousand yards away from the site that you're 351 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:33,770 investigating. What happened? 352 00:22:34,210 --> 00:22:40,710 So on the night of April 10th, 1961, a couple boys had been in a science fair, 353 00:22:40,850 --> 00:22:45,350 and they ended that and came over to Merrill's house and decided to throw 354 00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:47,350 rocks and run a stick along the fence. 355 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:48,670 For what reason? 356 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:50,940 just kind of stirring things up a bit with him. 357 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,920 Merrill came out, chased him off, and he had a stick with him, and he beat one 358 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,160 of the kids, a 16 -year -old named Ernest Perry, and then he ran off, 359 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,160 with the rest of his friends. 360 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,960 All right, so now this kid's back with his friends. What happened next? 361 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,040 Well, they kind of gathered together at the church and decided that they were 362 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,320 going to go back to Merrill's and stir some things up again. So Ernest goes 363 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,660 to a mailbox, and he knocks the box off and grabs that 2x4 pole out of the 364 00:23:15,660 --> 00:23:17,840 ground, and they start heading back to the trailer. 365 00:23:18,170 --> 00:23:20,710 All right, so this doesn't sound like it's going to turn out good for this 366 00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:21,289 What happened? 367 00:23:21,290 --> 00:23:26,330 No, it really doesn't. So Merrill's ready for the kids, and he and Perry 368 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:27,330 square off. 369 00:23:27,550 --> 00:23:32,230 Merrill has the club. Perry has the stick. Okay. And they go at it. There's 370 00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:33,850 swing. Youth win. 371 00:23:34,450 --> 00:23:40,170 Perry hits Merrill with the stick, fracturing his skull, and he falls to 372 00:23:40,170 --> 00:23:41,330 ground like a sack of potatoes. 373 00:23:41,730 --> 00:23:43,010 Is he dead at this point? 374 00:23:43,290 --> 00:23:46,790 He's not dead at this point. He's out, but he ends up going to the hospital. He 375 00:23:46,790 --> 00:23:48,510 dies about 5 in the morning. 376 00:23:48,730 --> 00:23:52,530 That next day, he had a fractured skull, had a brain hemorrhage. 377 00:23:53,470 --> 00:23:54,810 That's a real waste of life here. 378 00:23:55,450 --> 00:23:56,730 Did they ever catch up with this kid? 379 00:23:56,930 --> 00:24:01,030 They did. They ended up catching him. He went to jail for a minute, but the 380 00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:03,110 grand jury ended up exonerating him. 381 00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:04,990 Do we know why? 382 00:24:05,270 --> 00:24:08,450 By all accounts, he was a good kid who had just made a horrible mistake. 383 00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:09,810 This kid got away with murder. 384 00:24:10,170 --> 00:24:12,530 I mean, he should have got some kind of manslaughter. 385 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:13,890 You know, something. 386 00:24:14,910 --> 00:24:20,130 This winged demon has been messing with people in this area for a long time. 387 00:24:20,430 --> 00:24:23,130 And now it's possessing a kid in this house. 388 00:24:23,550 --> 00:24:29,270 It feels like this person's unbalanced and becoming more unbalanced. 389 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:30,750 What would that look like? 390 00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:34,910 Somebody flipping the bat every once in a while, you know, being violent, 391 00:24:35,170 --> 00:24:37,810 throwing things, punching things. 392 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:42,240 I don't feel this is a good situation. 393 00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:48,640 I'm nervous about it. So it's almost like this person's blacking out and 394 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,020 when this rage comes out and when this thing comes out. 395 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:03,200 I think there's potential there for this child, teenager, to do harm 396 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,080 to others in this house, physically. 397 00:25:06,420 --> 00:25:07,720 Yeah, I don't think I'd want to. 398 00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:10,570 sleep in the same house. 399 00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:23,690 I saw a lot of disturbing things on my walk, but two stood out. 400 00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:26,950 First is this old, angry, dead woman. 401 00:25:28,030 --> 00:25:31,930 She was probably in her 60s. 402 00:25:33,970 --> 00:25:36,710 She had very deep crow's feet. 403 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Her mouth needs to look more like a skull. 404 00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:47,960 Next, I described the winged demon that's possessing the little boy. 405 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,000 This thing, it had these huge bat wings. 406 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,740 The eyes were big and black. 407 00:26:02,580 --> 00:26:04,300 Amy, is this what you saw? 408 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Yes, that's what I saw. 409 00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:31,750 Now that Amy and I have completed our investigations, we're ready to reveal 410 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:34,970 findings to each other and our clients for the first time. 411 00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:36,830 So guys, I'd like you to meet Amy. 412 00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:40,390 She's going to be doing the reveal from a separate room, so if you can 413 00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:44,670 concentrate and focus on your case as well as the dead without any 414 00:26:45,610 --> 00:26:47,110 Amy, meet Jamie and Scott. 415 00:26:47,790 --> 00:26:51,750 So they moved to their dream home a few years ago with their three sons. 416 00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:55,570 From right to left, you got Brayden, who's 16. 417 00:26:56,490 --> 00:27:00,110 You've got 12 -year -old Alex, and you've got a hunter who's seven. 418 00:27:00,610 --> 00:27:04,790 Jamie believes that whatever's here is going after her kids and that all their 419 00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:06,790 lives are literally in danger. 420 00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:11,370 So unless Amy's got some questions for you, she'll describe her walk for us. 421 00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:16,650 The first person I want to talk about is a dead woman. 422 00:27:16,990 --> 00:27:20,570 I saw her in various stages of her life. 423 00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:22,410 When she showed herself... 424 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,740 As a young girl, I saw her working very hard. 425 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:33,520 Her father was a mean man. He made her do excessive chores, and 426 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:40,320 she ended up kind of becoming her father later on. She did suffer from 427 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,160 heart issues, and that's what ended up killing her. 428 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,900 When she died, I believe she was in her 60s. 429 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:57,120 She can get very angry and she then can 430 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:03,300 harvest the electricity around her. So I would think that you would suffer from 431 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:06,520 various electrical issues here. Well, yeah. 432 00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:08,500 Yeah. 433 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,540 Amy, when I spoke to Alex, he told me about his TV turning off and on all by 434 00:28:14,540 --> 00:28:17,940 itself. Have you experienced any other kind of electrical stuff here? All the 435 00:28:17,940 --> 00:28:18,980 time. Like what? 436 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:25,680 Lights flickering, the outlets will always reset, like pop and reset, 437 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,560 off and on. Yeah, that could be her. 438 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,320 So now the dead lady made me think of a previous owner I came across in 439 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,680 research. Her name was Minnie Maupin, and she grew up around here. 440 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:41,440 Her family was some of the first farmers that settled in this area in the 1800s. 441 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,080 Now, you said something about she didn't want to be mean like her father. 442 00:28:44,460 --> 00:28:47,660 I don't know much about her father, but it turns out her father -in -law was a 443 00:28:47,660 --> 00:28:52,240 real... piece of work. Garrett Morphin, he had a serious problem with booze. 444 00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:57,540 This guy got into a drunken wreck while driving his horse -drawn cart, and he 445 00:28:57,540 --> 00:29:03,080 ended up buried by the heavy bales of cotton and suffocated to death. Oh, wow. 446 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,520 Now, the guy was just 44 years old. 447 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:10,840 Now, Minnie and her husband bought this property back in 1918, and they farmed 448 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,280 the land for over 25 years. 449 00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:19,970 Minnie's husband, Captain, Worked the farm morning to night his whole life. In 450 00:29:19,970 --> 00:29:23,650 1934, his body gave out, and he died of a heart attack right here on the 451 00:29:23,650 --> 00:29:27,590 property. He was 79 years old, but then there's many. 452 00:29:28,670 --> 00:29:33,930 Now, not long after her husband died, she was diagnosed with myocarditis. 453 00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:39,830 So when that happens, the electrical system in your heart goes haywire. 454 00:29:40,790 --> 00:29:44,190 She passed away on the property at the age of 67. 455 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:45,890 This is her death certificate. 456 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,780 I did find a picture of Minnie, and she's here with her husband, Captain. 457 00:29:53,820 --> 00:29:56,980 Now, I know it's a young photo, but is it possible that could be who you saw 458 00:29:56,980 --> 00:29:57,959 knowing her background? 459 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440 I had a sketch done of her when she's older. 460 00:30:07,140 --> 00:30:09,080 You guys, take a look at that. 461 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:12,360 Wow. 462 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,580 I mean, they could be the same person. Absolutely. 463 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,900 Face shape. Mm -hmm. 464 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,480 The nose looks similar. 465 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,560 So it's possible that this could be mini -morphin you ran into? 466 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:26,900 Oh, yeah, I think so, yeah. 467 00:30:31,260 --> 00:30:33,340 So how else did the walk go? 468 00:30:35,020 --> 00:30:38,980 I went into the bedroom at the top of the stairs. 469 00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:40,340 That's where the boys sleep. 470 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,460 And I saw initially what I thought were two kids holding hands, but when... 471 00:30:46,860 --> 00:30:48,060 I really paid attention. 472 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:54,880 I saw that one of them was a legit, you know, dead kid, but the other one 473 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,560 was actually a shadow kid. 474 00:30:58,060 --> 00:31:00,500 I was not comfortable with that. 475 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:08,040 Shadow kid does create a bit of a ruckus, and I was curious if... 476 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,640 The living were experiencing things on the walls, feeling somebody sit beside 477 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,480 them, somebody getting in the bed or jumping on the bed. 478 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:22,500 There's been numerous occasions where I have felt like something has sat behind 479 00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,860 me on the bed or jumped on the end of the bed. 480 00:31:25,540 --> 00:31:27,780 Okay. And there's never anything there. 481 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,380 Okay. Okay. Now, Scott was down here in the living room area when you were on 482 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:34,279 the couch. 483 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,440 Yes, I was on the couch in the living room area, and there's quite a large 484 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,920 shove, like, with some weight that hit the back of the couch, enough to move 485 00:31:42,300 --> 00:31:45,380 I also think the living may see the shadow kid. 486 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,420 I see, like, a medium -sized shadow figure, which I thought was a kid. 487 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,640 I was coming down the stairs, and there was a little shadow figure, and it 488 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,260 always stayed in my periphery and would shoot down toward the garage down the 489 00:32:03,260 --> 00:32:04,260 hallway. 490 00:32:05,380 --> 00:32:12,060 I did get that the shadow figure, I believe, had an influence 491 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:15,720 on this real child's death. 492 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:23,440 And I know that it tricked this child to stay with him. I got that 493 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:30,140 the shadow child keeps this child with it so that 494 00:32:30,140 --> 00:32:32,840 it might be able to entice. 495 00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:34,870 other children. 496 00:32:37,630 --> 00:32:44,110 And I do believe that it does have its sights set on 497 00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:45,430 a child here. 498 00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:52,090 I know that's going to be tough for you guys to hear. 499 00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:56,050 It's like not what you want to hear as a parent. 500 00:32:56,830 --> 00:32:57,830 No. 501 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,700 It makes me sad, but it also makes me really angry. 502 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,380 I feel so helpless. 503 00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:09,780 Yeah. 504 00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:14,060 Jamie, you know about Alex hearing voices calling him? Yeah. 505 00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:15,760 Tell Amy what's going on with that. 506 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:22,740 On a few different occasions, Alex will hear someone calling for him, and no one 507 00:33:22,740 --> 00:33:23,740 has called for him. 508 00:33:24,260 --> 00:33:26,280 Yeah, this is not a good situation. 509 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,340 Brandon told us that in the middle of the night, he'll hear toys moving like 510 00:33:31,340 --> 00:33:32,500 of the kids was going through it. 511 00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:37,380 There's been times where Hunter will be in the living room sitting down and 512 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:41,980 something will push him from behind in the chair or poke him in the back. 513 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:46,780 Amy, any idea of which of Jamie and Scott's kids is now being targeted by 514 00:33:46,780 --> 00:33:48,760 shadow kid? Oh, I think it's Alex. 515 00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:53,260 Alex, that the shadow figure's going in? Yeah. 516 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,820 I can go in between being really mad and really sad. 517 00:34:00,500 --> 00:34:02,080 You've got a lot going on so far. 518 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:09,100 in the house what else amy so i'm gonna talk about uh something that i'm 519 00:34:09,100 --> 00:34:14,699 really worried about a big 520 00:34:14,699 --> 00:34:20,080 winged creature it consists of evil 521 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:26,940 so it's never been human or anything like that i do want to discuss how 522 00:34:26,940 --> 00:34:33,770 it's affecting one of the kids first i believe it's making them sick. They're 523 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:37,929 suffering with stomach pains, having stomach issues. It's absolutely 524 00:34:37,929 --> 00:34:41,830 them. And it's making this child feel very angry. 525 00:34:42,130 --> 00:34:48,510 And I believe that there may be some behavioral issues right now where 526 00:34:48,510 --> 00:34:53,610 this child might be exhibiting some violent tendencies like throwing things, 527 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:55,050 punching things. 528 00:34:56,909 --> 00:34:58,770 I think it's... 529 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:01,620 Highly likely that we're dealing with a possession. 530 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:11,340 I also feel that there's a real possibility that this child might try to 531 00:35:11,340 --> 00:35:14,860 some physical harm to others in the house. 532 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,920 I'm sorry. I need to take a break. 533 00:35:20,180 --> 00:35:21,180 Okay. 534 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,620 I just need to go outside. 535 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:33,400 It's Hunter. 536 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,860 It's not good to hear, but we can answer this and we'll get some help. 537 00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:41,540 Okay, 538 00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:43,860 sweetie. Yeah. 539 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,920 I wanted to give you this. 540 00:35:47,860 --> 00:35:49,220 Thank you. 541 00:35:53,300 --> 00:35:55,400 A lot of what she was saying was hitting home. 542 00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:57,930 because of what you told me about Hunter. 543 00:35:58,850 --> 00:36:05,550 He has really bad, angry outbursts, and he hits his siblings, 544 00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:07,630 or he'll throw something. 545 00:36:08,530 --> 00:36:13,330 And I've been saying for a while that I thought something was going on, and he 546 00:36:13,330 --> 00:36:16,330 also has really bad, really bad stomach issues. 547 00:36:17,110 --> 00:36:22,310 Now, Amy, do you think it's possible that this thing is possessing Hunter? 548 00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:24,190 Yes, I do. 549 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,600 Now, is this creature thing only going after the kids? 550 00:36:31,020 --> 00:36:37,360 I got that a living woman here was going through 551 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,860 some stuff. 552 00:36:39,380 --> 00:36:45,140 What I felt was this woman feeling fingers or hands on her legs 553 00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:50,400 and her legs being forced open. 554 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,780 I've been having nightmares of being raped, actually, that exact. 555 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,080 Exactly the way you explained it. 556 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,960 One night, it was about a week ago, I woke up in the middle of the night, and 557 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:11,780 look over, and there was a dark figure leaned over inches away from her 558 00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:12,780 face. 559 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,440 I couldn't make out any features. It was just dark, and it just felt so evil. 560 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,540 But it just scares me that something's happened to my wife, and I can't stop 561 00:37:28,270 --> 00:37:32,810 So Amy, what would this winged creature look like to them? I did have a sketch 562 00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:33,810 done. 563 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:58,380 It looks like Hunter. 564 00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:05,300 So, Amy, the child that's depicted in this drawing, do we think that Hunter? 565 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:06,760 I do. 566 00:38:07,620 --> 00:38:09,400 I'm really pissed off right now. 567 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:15,560 Yeah. This thing is pure evil. I think that many would refer to it as a demon. 568 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,620 Obviously, it's very dangerous. I believe that it is possessing him. 569 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:26,780 This thing, its end game would be to... 570 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:30,600 More than likely take out as many people in the house as possible. 571 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,400 This is so horrible. 572 00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:43,200 I 573 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:50,080 don't 574 00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,720 know who looks more surprised here. 575 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,940 You or me. 576 00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:56,500 Now, you thought there was something deadly here. 577 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:00,900 But I don't think any of us thought there was a winged demon in your house. 578 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:06,380 Now to find out if there's anything you can do about it or you guys need to pack 579 00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:07,880 your stuff up and get the hell out of here. 580 00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:10,360 For that answer, I'm going to turn it over to Amy. 581 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,600 First thing to do is take care of this demon in the possession that's taking 582 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:21,600 place here. 583 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,500 I'd like a demonologist to come. 584 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:28,450 and do an exorcism of Hunter. 585 00:39:31,290 --> 00:39:33,490 Hunter should be okay after that, correct? 586 00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:34,890 Right. 587 00:39:35,590 --> 00:39:40,970 The second thing that needs to be done right away is an exorcism of the 588 00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:41,970 location. 589 00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:47,410 So the exorcism of the house will get rid of this winged demon? 590 00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:49,990 That should get rid of that, yeah. 591 00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:51,270 Okay, good. 592 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,440 The next thing that needs to be done is a psychic medium needs to come and move 593 00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:59,440 Minnie on. 594 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:01,240 She just needs to go. 595 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,180 Then the fourth thing you need to do is deal with the shadow child. 596 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,000 Usually the shadow beings will stay at a particular location. 597 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,260 This one's very odd. 598 00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:20,160 So I'd like for the people who come... 599 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:26,740 you know, the demonologist and the psychic medium, to come back later to 600 00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:33,540 they could move the real child and the shadow being away and 601 00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:34,540 on. Okay. 602 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,500 And then if they can't... Yeah, then it would be a move situation. 603 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,400 What are your thoughts on that? 604 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,580 At the end of the day, it is just a house. 605 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:55,000 And our kids are so much more important to us, obviously. Are you going to 606 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,100 execute what needs to be done? 607 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,360 Oh, yeah. Without a doubt. 608 00:40:58,820 --> 00:40:59,820 Yeah, definitely. 609 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:03,500 Thanks to Amy, there's a light switch been turned on. We know what's going on. 610 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,220 So thank you. 611 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,280 We're very patient and very thankful. Thank you two so much. 612 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:16,780 I really hope Jamie and Scott contact a demonologist to exorcise the winged 613 00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:18,980 demon from Hunter and their property. 614 00:41:19,340 --> 00:41:24,360 If they do that, and work with the medium to move on the shadow figure, I 615 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,240 believe they will find the peace and happiness they deserve. 616 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,100 Hi, Steve and Amy. 617 00:41:33,300 --> 00:41:35,060 Just checking in to let you know things are going great. 618 00:41:35,580 --> 00:41:41,600 We contacted the demonologist like you suggested, and she was able to come out 619 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,940 to the house and clear the house, clear the property. 620 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,800 The feeling here has been amazing, and we can't thank you enough. 621 00:41:49,310 --> 00:41:55,330 Our family is so much happier and we look forward to the future of not having 622 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:58,610 any issues with any more spirits. So thank you guys so much. We really 623 00:41:58,610 --> 00:41:59,650 appreciate it. Thank you. 54574

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