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She does not like this person.
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And she looks at me like, I've been bad.
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It was a force that pushed me forward.
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You're lucky you didn't break your neck.
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She's going to take him out. Like she's
on a mission.
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My daughter lost her husband to suicide.
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She would just scream, help me, help me.
She was like possessed.
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Could this old lady have actually killed
Scott?
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That's fully her intention.
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I'm scared. I'm freaking out.
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Ooh, the dark is getting darker.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people.
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There is a skinwalker here.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He wants to collect the women.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They're sucking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShavit. I'm a retired New
York City homicide detective.
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This is the kind of case that would have
haunted me.
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And I know every person, every house has
secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them. But Steve
and I never speak. We never communicate
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during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Is that what I think it is?
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Yes. When we uncover if it saved you to
stay. I told you he was trying to kill
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me.
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We're time to get out. You have it, dad.
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I'm out here in Glendale, Arizona. It's
about 10 miles north of Phoenix.
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I got an emotional call from a woman
named Joanne. Now, she bought a big
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in the desert so her family would have a
place to vacation.
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But it's nobody's idea of a good time.
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My house is just becoming more and more
infested. I don't know where all this is
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going to go. They're getting more
aggressive with us.
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Joanne says unless we can find a way to
help, somebody's going to get hurt.
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I'm seeing this older woman.
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She's got this mischievous childlike
thing about her.
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Then her head opens and she sends like
these little hands out.
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Like she's trying to scare me.
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And she looks at me like, I've been bad.
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Joanne, I got to tell you, just pulling
up this beautiful poem, I find it hard
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to believe that you have a problem here.
But when we spoke on the phone, you
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didn't sound too great.
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We bought this beautiful house for us,
you know, for our family, for our
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grandkids, and there's so much activity.
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I'm just really afraid to bring any
family here.
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Well, that's miserable.
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I just want them to be happy here, and
this is a place where they can be safe,
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and they're not.
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You're breaking my heart. I mean, just
as a grandmother alone, I couldn't
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imagine how it feels. It's difficult,
yeah.
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So who actually lives in the home?
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My husband, Scott, and myself.
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It's with him.
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So it's just you two guys? Just us two.
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You guys look happy.
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We are.
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But not living conditions.
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No.
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So what about your husband? Is he a
believer?
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He is. He's had a ton of experiences.
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And as a matter of fact, he likes to go
to haunted hotels and spend the night.
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Really? Yeah.
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Let me ask you a question. What do you
think is here, or who do you think is
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here? I think maybe my son -in -law may
be here.
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My daughter lost her husband to suicide
about seven years ago.
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I've dealt with suicide in my own
family. It's not easy to get over.
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It's not easy to see your daughter as a
widow at 23.
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Okay. And she was six weeks pregnant at
the time.
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I'm really sorry to hear that.
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Do me a favor and just give me a list of
what you guys are going through here.
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Things are moving on their own.
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We're experiencing sudden mood changes.
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We get sick.
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We're seeing shadowy figures.
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Now they're becoming physically violent
with us.
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You said something about illnesses,
right?
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What are we talking about?
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Stomach pains that it can't explain.
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Scott will all of a sudden, out of
nowhere, just throw up.
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So have you seen a doctor about this?
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Multiple doctors, and we're both nurses,
so we pretty much know how our bodies
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work. You mentioned mood swings. What
are we talking about?
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My husband just sometimes will feel very
anxious and stressed.
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Out of nowhere. He'll be very angry.
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So do you think whatever's in this house
is influencing him?
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Oh, 100%. Okay, so we need to fix this.
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Exactly.
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I see white eyes looking at me.
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Without a doubt, I believe that the
living here are thinking that this is a
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shadow person.
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But I know that it's... a male and that
it's a teenager.
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He's just staring at me.
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I think he's influencing a living male
here to be bad.
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I'm seeing that older woman walking
through the walls.
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Living people have seen her. And I feel
like there's a male who is scared or
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uncomfortable.
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She hates the mail.
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But when this mail is round, it's almost
like she's alive
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again. I'm getting chills.
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There's a lot of emotion there.
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So what's going on in here?
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I see shadow figures.
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What does it look like?
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It looks like a reverse negative.
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Any problems with your vision?
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No. Okay. Don't wear glasses.
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Okay, anything else? So we have
electronics that turn on and off.
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specific? We have TVs that turn off and
on downstairs and one upstairs that just
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turns on in the middle of the night.
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Is it on a timer or anything that you
guys have it hooked up to?
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No. Okay, any other electronic problems?
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Well, here in the kitchen, the lights
will turn on on their own.
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Is there any problem with the
electricity?
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No. This five years old, they redid the
whole inside of the house. Anything else
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going on?
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Things are moving around in the kitchen.
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We'll put something down and it'll move.
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And you're sure it's not the grandkids
playing games?
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They're usually not here when that
happens.
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So it's usually me home alone.
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Anything else like that happening?
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Drawers are opening.
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I'll come in and drawers will be open.
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These aren't easy to open.
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What do you think is doing this?
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I think it's somebody angry in this
house that's not alive anymore.
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Okay.
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This older dead woman?
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She gets really angry in here.
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I see her, like, literally losing her...
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So I'm wondering if the living have had
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a lot of experiences in here.
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What is she doing?
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Just throwing fists.
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And how are the living perceiving this?
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It would be possible for things to be
being thrown. Maybe things are moving.
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There's a lot of energy in here, and she
is able to make noise and knock
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over. Maybe they do have lights blow
out. Things go out in here not working
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great.
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So what's going on in here?
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I've been scratched.
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Where? On my hand. I have a picture
here. I was folding laundry, and my
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said, Grammy, you're bleeding.
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And I didn't feel anything. It didn't
hurt, and it was just dripping blood.
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Did your hands go inside the dryer?
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No, there's nothing sharp. I went back
and looked, and there was nothing.
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So is anything else physical going on?
So I woke up in the middle of the night
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pinned down.
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Really? Mm -hmm.
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How did it feel to you?
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Was it like a human on top of you? Like
arms and legs, like across me and on
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top, like something was laying on top of
me.
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Okay. Is it possible you were dreaming?
I was awake and moving my limbs and
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trying to get out of it. I could move
everything.
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Really? Yes. And then another time I was
laying on my side, it pushed me from my
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side onto my stomach and then held me
down when I was in the bed. When you're
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getting pinned down like that, does it
feel sexual at all?
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No, it feels violent, like somebody's
trying to hurt me.
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I've been through a lot in my life. I
would have ran the hell out of this
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if it was me.
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I feel really, really sick up here.
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What's going on?
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Having really bad neck pain, extreme
nausea, fevery.
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Maybe it's her, maybe the older woman,
because I know that she was sick for a
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long time.
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In here, I see physical interaction with
somebody.
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Like, and she's, like, smacking them or
trying to smack them.
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And saying, like, stop being a little...
This is bad.
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Weird.
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So Emma, how old are you?
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Nine, about to be ten.
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Do you sleep in this room or a different
room? This room.
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So would you mind telling me about some
of the things that scare you?
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Most of the nights that I spend the
night here, I see this family, and it
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looks like that they're getting
murdered.
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Can you describe them for me, what it
looks like?
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They're a sister, a brother, a mother,
and a father.
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Okay. They're just standing there out
that window.
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Out this window here?
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Yeah.
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Does that make you afraid to come here
and sleep over?
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It's got to the point where I've gotten
used to it by now.
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Really? There are a lot of ghosts in
this house, so yeah.
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Hmm.
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So, Emma, you know the girl I work with,
Amy, right?
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Yeah. Do you know what she does, how her
abilities are?
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Yeah. Do you think you'll like that?
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I only have half of her abilities.
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Mostly I only have what I can see and
hear.
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Okay. How long has that been going on?
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Since I was born.
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So since you were a little girl?
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Yeah. Okay. All right. Anything else,
honey?
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Actually, just a few weeks ago, I was
going to get up out of bed and something
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pushed me down.
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Did you feel hands or did it feel just
like a force coming at you?
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It felt like energy, kind of. Do you
have any idea why all these things are
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happening here? Maybe they might all
just be lost souls.
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So if they're...
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Lost souls, you think they need help?
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Nah. What do you think?
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I just think that they were just looking
for some place to haunt.
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Okay.
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The old woman's sitting there. She has a
routine that she does.
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She's taking a head count.
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Uh,
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people?
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There's one, and then you go there.
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Okay, maybe somebody's in here. Okay,
somebody's in here.
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And then somebody's in there.
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And then she will start running back and
forth.
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And then she'll just go with the ones
that she feels like. But, yeah, I do see
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physical altercations with the living.
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I see, like, her at some point hovering,
like, above
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someone in here.
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And I see, like, I believe it's a
female, and they're turning over and,
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smooshing their face down, like, oh,
hell no. You know, this is not
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So, Scott, I got to tell you, this is an
amazing place. I mean, you got
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chickens, you got goats, you got a pool.
I mean, what more can you ask for?
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Oh, yeah.
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So, Scott, I understand that you dabble
in the paranormal a little bit.
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I did amateur stuff where I had my
little meter, my EMF meter. I had my
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and I had my recorder.
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And I got a book that was all the
haunted hotels in Arizona.
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Do you think you might have brought
something home here? I have no idea. But
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being an amateur, you don't protect
yourself.
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Right. I didn't know how to do that. So
I have no idea.
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So what experiences have you had? I have
these extreme anxiety.
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I have this extreme paranoia. I have
anger.
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So Joanne mentioned that to me. She says
you're a completely different person
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when you're in the house.
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Do you agree with that? I do agree with
that because I can feel it when I walk
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into the house.
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Be honest, is that your personality?
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It's not. I'm usually very sedate.
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The old lady really hates the living man
here.
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She says he has telepathy.
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She thinks this is a bad person.
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Needs to go.
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Needs to get out. Bad person.
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male is abusive and this male says
horrible things so she
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you know needs to stop that i know she's
mentally ill and sick and
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confused so i'm like do i take this with
a grain of salt or is this real
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she does not like this person at all and
it's like she's gonna take him out
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like she's on a mission
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All right, Scott, anything else?
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Well, I've got this heaviness, this
outside pressure pushing on me, and it
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like it's almost twisting my heart.
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I assume we're about the same age that
you had this checked.
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I did, and there is nothing cardiac
-related that would just come like that
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rest and go away just as quickly.
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All right, Scott, anything else?
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Yeah, like coming down the steps, all of
a sudden there was a force that pushed
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me forward, and I landed on top of the
tile floor.
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You're lucky it didn't break your neck.
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Oh, I am lucky.
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And you think the end game for this,
whatever's here, wants you out or wants
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physically hurt you?
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Both. Medically.
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Okay.
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She does hate that male. When she's
focused on him, it's like she's there.
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Like, it's happening.
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That's going down.
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What do you think that happened to him?
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I think she would like him just to die.
You know, yeah.
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Just to be gone.
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Except for the 115 degree heat, I like
working cases in Arizona.
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By now, I've got a whole bunch of
contacts here. One of them, a local
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says one of the earliest owners of
Joanne and Scott's property.
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has a story I'm going to want to know
about.
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So, Marshall, I appreciate you helping
me out with this case.
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Okay, so who was this original owner?
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His name is Fred Cox.
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Okay. He was from Ohio.
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He became a mechanical engineer and
started seeing the West and how mining
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exploding out here. And so he packed up
his wife, Winetta. Okay. His only son,
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Vernon. And they eventually moved right
here to Arizona.
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Okay, what time frame are we talking
about? Early 1900s. Okay, so Marshall,
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he's here with his wife and his kid.
How's it go with this whole mining
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So he gets here and gets a management
job with a mine. So things are going
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really well.
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But within that first year, the mine
company folds.
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So he kind of fell back on his prior
knowledge and started drilling wells.
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For water.
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You had said he was a mechanical
engineer.
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Right. When did he wind up on my
client's property?
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1915 is when he acquires the property
that your client's house sits on today.
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I assume this is when things start going
bad?
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Indeed. Juanita is diagnosed with
diabetes.
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And so in 1924, she falls ill and winds
up being rushed to the hospital where
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she spends four days in agony. And May
12th, she passes away at the age of 53.
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What was the cause of death?
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So that's what's really interesting.
You'll notice that on the death
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certificate, it says diabetes.
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But underneath that, the doctor writes,
I don't know.
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It's almost a joke, right? I've never
seen that before.
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I think this old woman had a hard life.
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She's in a hospital.
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She was very ill for a long time.
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She had horrible breathing issues and a
lot of chest pain while she was sick.
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I think that if the living, you know,
she's around them, they might experience
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the same symptoms.
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I'm seeing her, like, here now. Like,
when she was alive, she might have been
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little off too, you know.
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Almost made it worse.
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It feels like she's attached to the
land.
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And there's like some anger about this.
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I keep thinking about what Joanne told
me about her son -in -law killing
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himself. My daughter lost her husband to
suicide about seven years ago.
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So I reached out to Joanne's daughter,
Stephanie.
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Now, she says it's a painful story, but
she's willing to talk about it if it
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will help her mom.
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Well, Stephanie, I appreciate you taking
the time to talk to me, especially
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about something this personal.
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Before we get into what all happened, I
mean, what can you tell me about him as
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far as his personality and the type of
guy he was?
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He was a good guy.
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He always smiled,
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and he was funny and witty and charming.
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Yeah, what do you take?
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I always have a fresh tank.
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hanky with me so what happened i mean in
the past when i've
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had friends of mine do something like
this everybody asked me well did you see
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it coming not at first no um about six
months before he passed away he got
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really weird he started making idle
threats to kill himself
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For about a month or so before he died,
he would wake up every morning shaking,
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like feverishly, like just shaking so
much so the entire bed would shake.
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And he would just scream, help me, help
me, help me.
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And nothing I did could control him.
Nothing I did could calm him.
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Was it dreams he was having or was it
just he was having an episode?
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He was awake.
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He was awake.
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Wide awake. I mean, I could try to talk
to him and he would just grab me by my
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forearms.
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You don't understand. You don't get it.
You don't get it. You can't see what I
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see. You don't understand.
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And he was, like, possessed.
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All right, so I know this is probably
difficult to talk about, but, you know,
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take me up to what happened.
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When I found out I was pregnant, you
know, I sat him down, had a long talk
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about, if you can't get this under
control, you need to move out.
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And so we got into a huge argument that
morning.
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I shut the door behind him and locked
it, and he got so angry he kicked the
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in. So I called the cop, you know, and
they came and he left.
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How soon after this argument did they
find him? Was it that day?
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Two days later.
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He was missing for two days and you
didn't know where he was?
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No, I called everywhere. I called
hospitals, police departments. I filed a
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police report.
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I had friends and family help me search
for him.
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So I assume you get notified that he's
been found.
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It was Sunday morning.
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The detective called me, said he was on
his way to the house and that we had to
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talk. I knew it wasn't going to be good.
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He took his belt off and he
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strangled himself in the front seat of
the car, willingly.
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I've investigated thousands of suicides.
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That's pretty rare.
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Yeah. Your mom thinks that maybe he's
here.
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What's your thoughts on that, if you
have any?
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For me, to think that he would still be
here in that state,
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it's devastating.
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There's a lot of stuff going on.
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What's going on?
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I think it's a male.
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I'm scared. I'm freaking out.
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I can't feel my body. I'm not feeling my
body anymore.
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And then I'm feeling like I'm dying. I'm
dying.
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I can't breathe.
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So far, I have a family scared to death
of their home, which has a long history
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of tragedy and premature deaths.
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But I want to see if there's anything
else.
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Searching for old records, I come across
Linda Vallon.
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This woman killed a man in self -defense
just down the road from Joanne and
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Scott's house.
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So I made some calls and managed to
track down Linda's brother, Daniel. Now,
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he's willing to talk to me about what
happened, but tells me things did not
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well for his sister.
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So, Daniel, I know this is tough to talk
about.
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Let's start from the beginning. What can
you tell me about your sister?
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Growing up, my sister was very loving.
As far as siblings go, we got along real
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well. Describe her personality for me.
Was she introverted? What kind of a
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was she? Very outgoing.
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Here's a picture of her when she was
younger.
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Very good looking young lady. She was
real charmer.
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Could have any guy she wanted, but made
some bad choices. Met some bad men.
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The guy she shot, what can you tell me
about him?
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Thomas Latimer, he was a 34 -year -old
truck driver, worked all day, drank in
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the bars all night. I never liked the
guy personally.
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My research said that on October 13,
1993 is when the shooting happened. What
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happened that night?
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Previous to this, she had filed, I
believe, a restraining order on the guy.
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That evening, she was unlocking her door
to a townhouse. When she got the door
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open, he rushed her from the back,
pushed her into the condo.
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He told her, you're about to take your
last breath.
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He came there to kill her.
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What happened next?
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She made it up the stairs, had her purse
in her hand, reached in her purse,
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pulled out a four -shot Derringer.
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She turned and shot him dead.
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Did they wind up charging her?
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No, they didn't charge her. They were
thinking about charging her until they
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their investigation and realized he had
come there to kill her.
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Something's happening.
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Something's happening.
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A panic. Oh, my God, what do I do? What
do I do?
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I think it's a male.
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There's some pain here.
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I do hear yelling, like a fight. I'm
thinking the male got hurt or killed.
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So after the shooting, you said things
didn't end well for Linda. What
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She met another man. His name was E .J.
Mackey.
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I'd met the guy several times. Wasn't
real friendly. Didn't like this guy
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very much.
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Turned out to be another abusive
relationship.
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And one thing led to another. They had
gotten in a big hassle.
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Cops came.
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He got charged with domestic violence.
He was sent to jail.
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So what went up? He got out of prison.
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Well, no one ever notified my sister of
him being released.
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On July 15th, 1995, EJ walks up to her.
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He shoots her in the head, blows the
back of her head off, turns around and
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shoots himself in the head.
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Here's a paper here.
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So the article says she was 43 when she
was killed?
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Yes, sir. She was 43 years old. What a
shame. Young girl.
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00:26:31,910 --> 00:26:34,910
I'm sorry to hear that. You know, every
family has tragedies, right? Yes.
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Pretty brutal one.
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Yeah, this was.
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I'm feeling like I'm dying again.
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This is a younger woman.
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A time frame.
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It feels like 30 years feels recent.
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I mean, it just feels so raw.
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It's so thick and heavy.
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There's also a lot of anger and fear.
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I saw a lot of disturbing things on my
walk, but the dead old woman tormenting
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living male has me the most concerned.
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She was very petite, thin.
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She's got like a slight hunch on the
upper part of her back. He's sitting in
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this lazy boy chair.
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When she gets around him, she thinks of
all these ways that she would like to do
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away with him because she hates him so
much.
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00:27:51,740 --> 00:27:52,780
Amy, is this what you saw?
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Yes, that's what I saw.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations, we're ready to reveal
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findings to each other.
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And our clients for the first time.
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So, Scott and Joanne, I want you to meet
Amy.
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She's going to be doing a reveal from
one of your rooms here. This way she can
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focus on your case and the dead without
being disturbed.
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Amy, I don't know how much you were able
to see during your walk, but Scott and
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Joanne have an incredible place here.
This is their dream home.
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They live here alone, but they wanted a
huge place for their kids and their
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grandkids. Now, obviously things didn't
work out or else we wouldn't be here.
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What they're hoping is that you can show
them a way to make this house safe for
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everybody to enjoy.
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So unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll tell us about her walk.
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So when I first got here, I saw white
eyes
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staring at me.
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Knew it was a male, probably a teen.
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I think the living, if you were to see
him...
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it would be more than likely as a type
of shadow person.
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I see shadows out of the corner of my
eye, and I'll see, it's hard to explain,
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but it's like a reverse negative, where
they just are very clear.
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00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:37,410
Yeah. The unfortunate thing is, is that
this male is influencing
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a living male to be bad.
474
00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:45,590
And one other thing, the living male in
this house has a form of...
475
00:29:45,790 --> 00:29:47,170
telepathy themselves.
476
00:29:48,090 --> 00:29:50,470
Scott's the only living male in the
house.
477
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:53,250
So could we assume it's Scott you're
talking about?
478
00:29:53,470 --> 00:29:54,470
Yes.
479
00:29:55,150 --> 00:29:59,210
I would have thought that I would be the
last person here in this house that had
480
00:29:59,210 --> 00:30:02,210
anything. What exactly is a telepathic
person?
481
00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:08,270
An individual who can know other people
482
00:30:08,270 --> 00:30:13,690
instantaneously. Like they'll just know
that person, like their personality,
483
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:15,130
their traits.
484
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,340
You guys had a reaction to what you were
talking about.
485
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:21,980
It happens all the time. That's weird.
All the time. Yeah.
486
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:24,680
I'm afraid to think anything around.
487
00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:28,680
So you said that the teenage kid is
influencing the male in the house?
488
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,140
Correct. In what way?
489
00:30:30,660 --> 00:30:35,760
Basically putting thoughts or feelings
to do things that you wouldn't
490
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,140
necessarily normally do.
491
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,920
Now, we talked about mood changes.
492
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,260
Yeah, because I can be sitting by
myself.
493
00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:49,000
In a room watching some TV and then just
become all of a sudden overwhelmed with
494
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:49,839
some anger.
495
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,540
Does that sound like this little
teenager?
496
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,280
Okay.
497
00:30:54,140 --> 00:30:59,580
Now, I didn't come across any dead
teenagers in my research, but I got to
498
00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:03,080
you out on this. It's probably a good
time to tell you that Scott likes to go
499
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,300
haunted hotels and stuff.
500
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:05,500
And sometimes you stay the night.
501
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:06,759
Oh, yeah.
502
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,440
Is it possible he brought something home
from one of these locations?
503
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Yeah, that's a possibility.
504
00:31:14,220 --> 00:31:18,240
There's one other thing I want to bring
up. I just need to let her know about
505
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,240
their son -in -law.
506
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,180
His name was Andy, and he killed himself
about, what, six years ago?
507
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:29,600
And I have a photo of him with their
daughter Stephanie.
508
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:33,100
And it happened pretty close to here.
509
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,660
Now, Joanne thinks he may still be in
this house.
510
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Any thoughts on that, Amy?
511
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,900
I don't really get a sense of him.
512
00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:48,080
Which is a good thing.
513
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:50,020
Yeah, it is, actually.
514
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,560
It means he's probably moved on.
515
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,320
So I'm going to get into the other
person who's very, very active here.
516
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,020
What I saw was an elderly woman.
517
00:32:04,420 --> 00:32:06,740
Whenever she's in the kitchen, she's
throwing a fit.
518
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,240
She does move things around.
519
00:32:09,580 --> 00:32:12,460
She does like to throw things around in
there.
520
00:32:12,740 --> 00:32:18,940
So I felt like you guys would
potentially have a lot of experiences
521
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:21,240
with the kitchen.
522
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,980
Oh, yeah. Drawers open.
523
00:32:23,380 --> 00:32:27,300
I hear a lot of noise over there in the
morning, especially if I'm here by
524
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:33,800
myself. And put something down, and I
know I left it there, and it's gone.
525
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:34,900
And I'll find it.
526
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:37,270
Somewhere in a really odd, bizarre
place.
527
00:32:38,030 --> 00:32:44,990
She's also, strangely, able to gather a
lot of energy in that location.
528
00:32:45,250 --> 00:32:50,030
So I wouldn't be surprised if lights are
affected and things like that in that
529
00:32:50,030 --> 00:32:53,130
particular area because she's drawn from
every source of energy.
530
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:57,070
I'll be watching TV and the thing will
just stop. It'll shut off.
531
00:32:57,550 --> 00:33:00,410
And I'll think I need to do something,
then it comes back on.
532
00:33:00,670 --> 00:33:02,310
And that sounds like it's this woman?
533
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:03,630
Yeah.
534
00:33:05,470 --> 00:33:07,750
Just, yeah, it's just crazy.
535
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:10,810
So did you get anything on this old hag
when she was alive?
536
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:14,010
She indicated that she had been sick for
a long time.
537
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:20,590
She indicated that she had chest pains
and horrible breathing issues.
538
00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:25,050
There was also some, you know, her being
a little, you know, mentally off.
539
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:29,950
I got that she had a very strong
attachment to the land here.
540
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:35,540
There's a lot of anger and a lot of
misery connected.
541
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:40,320
Not a lot to go on, but a couple of
things she said remind me of a previous
542
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,980
landowner. Now, back in the early 1900s,
this was a big mining area.
543
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,280
A guy named Fred Cox moved his family
here to try to strike a risk.
544
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,600
It didn't go well.
545
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,460
I guess within the first year, he lost
his job.
546
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,600
His wife, Juanita, was pissed, but they
still wound up staying.
547
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:02,180
So now in 1915, he bought 160 acres of
land, which included this property.
548
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,260
She was not well, Juanita, his wife.
549
00:34:04,460 --> 00:34:06,940
She had suffered from diabetes for
years.
550
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,320
Now in 1923, Juanita got really sick.
551
00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:14,520
She suffered for four long days in the
hospital before she died.
552
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,980
She was just 53 years old. The odd thing
about it is I got her death certificate
553
00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:21,400
here. It says cause of death, diabetes.
554
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,940
And underneath it, it says, I don't
know.
555
00:34:25,420 --> 00:34:27,800
I'd never seen anything like this before
on a death certificate.
556
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:32,540
Wow. So now you said you were concerned
about this woman. I'm assuming it's not
557
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:33,860
just because she freaks out in the
kitchen.
558
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,300
One of the things that I felt living
people would experience when they're in
559
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:47,000
close proximity with her is kind of
feeling sick, like flu -like
560
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,639
symptoms, and like nausea. They throw up
frequently.
561
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:56,300
It comes on extremely nauseated. I'm
very sick. I have to run and throw up.
562
00:34:56,540 --> 00:34:59,820
And as quickly as it comes, it goes
away.
563
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:06,700
One of the things I saw her do one night
was she was literally floating,
564
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:11,420
like, over a person. And I got that it
was a living female.
565
00:35:12,140 --> 00:35:18,400
And I felt like the living female was
either seeing her or knew she was there
566
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:19,680
her face and was like...
567
00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:23,910
smushing her face into the pillow to be
like, oh, no, this is not happening.
568
00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:27,970
I was laying on my back, and all of a
sudden I felt somebody laying on me,
569
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:30,390
someone was coming across me with arms
and legs.
570
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:35,250
And I know I was awake because I was
able to move my limbs, and I fought out
571
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:36,770
from under it, and it went away.
572
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:39,590
Something was just pushing on me.
573
00:35:39,870 --> 00:35:41,110
Well, you got scratched, too.
574
00:35:41,330 --> 00:35:42,029
I did.
575
00:35:42,030 --> 00:35:43,470
I actually have a photo of it here.
576
00:35:44,610 --> 00:35:46,450
This came out of nowhere, right? It came
out of nowhere.
577
00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:48,090
Interesting.
578
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:53,640
And then in another room, in here, I see
physical interaction with somebody.
579
00:35:54,060 --> 00:35:59,620
Like, and she's, like, smacking them or
trying to smack them and saying, like,
580
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,680
stop being a little.
581
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:06,080
So, obviously, we know upstairs is where
the kids and the grandkids sleep when
582
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
they come over. I spoke to one of those
kids.
583
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,640
This is Emma, Amy.
584
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:11,940
She's absolutely precious.
585
00:36:12,580 --> 00:36:16,200
Tell Amy about the time Emma got shoved
in bed.
586
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:20,770
Yeah, she told me that she got up, she
was going to use the bathroom, and she
587
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:22,190
got forced back into the bed.
588
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:27,130
Now, Emma thinks she has abilities like
you.
589
00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:32,130
She told me she's a family of dead
people outside the porch where she
590
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:37,650
Yeah. All bloody, standing out there. It
sounds like she definitely has
591
00:36:37,650 --> 00:36:38,650
abilities.
592
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:44,010
She needs to learn protections and
boundaries.
593
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:45,470
Trust me.
594
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:47,790
You don't want her suffering from PTSD.
595
00:36:50,530 --> 00:36:52,850
Now, this old lady, is she doing
anything else?
596
00:36:53,230 --> 00:36:58,010
She was showing me that she had her
sights set on a living male here.
597
00:36:58,870 --> 00:37:03,990
It's because she feels that this living
male is a bad person.
598
00:37:05,110 --> 00:37:07,010
She told me he's abusive.
599
00:37:08,450 --> 00:37:09,550
We're talking about Scott here.
600
00:37:09,810 --> 00:37:11,470
He's the only living male in the house.
601
00:37:11,710 --> 00:37:17,110
Right. I was feeling from her that this
might be a projection of somebody she
602
00:37:17,110 --> 00:37:18,390
hated during her life.
603
00:37:18,910 --> 00:37:23,390
So I did have a sketch done of what she
would like to do to this person.
604
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:27,430
I wonder what else she's capable of.
605
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:29,570
Yeah, that's the scariest part.
606
00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:33,530
I'm not going to like this.
607
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,860
This looks exactly like how I sit.
608
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,020
In that chair? In that chair and get the
most issues.
609
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:53,060
It's hard to explain. Sometimes it feels
like something reaches in and twists
610
00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:54,060
your heart.
611
00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:58,820
He's a nurse. They notice symptoms, so
it's like he's not over -exaggerating
612
00:37:58,820 --> 00:37:59,718
things, right?
613
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:01,740
You've had some other stuff happen to
you physically.
614
00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:07,080
On my way down these steps to the
kitchen, and it didn't feel like hands.
615
00:38:07,460 --> 00:38:08,780
It felt like energy.
616
00:38:09,610 --> 00:38:13,850
And then the front of my body propelled
faster than my feet, and I missed three
617
00:38:13,850 --> 00:38:16,170
whole steps and landed on the hard tile.
618
00:38:16,610 --> 00:38:18,990
Do we think this is all this old lady
doing that to Scott?
619
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:20,250
Well, yeah.
620
00:38:20,770 --> 00:38:24,390
And I'm, like, really pissed.
621
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:26,430
Me too.
622
00:38:26,450 --> 00:38:31,110
So I'm curious, if they hadn't have
called us, could this old lady have
623
00:38:31,110 --> 00:38:32,110
killed Scott?
624
00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:33,310
Yes.
625
00:38:35,410 --> 00:38:37,330
I mean, that's fully her intention.
626
00:38:38,060 --> 00:38:39,200
I did not see that coming.
627
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,220
Well, this night's been a surprise.
628
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,840
You were both worried about your
grandkids.
629
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:06,740
Turns out, Scott, you're the one that
seems to be in the most danger.
630
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,720
Now we've got to find out what, if
anything, you can do to fix this. For
631
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:12,760
I'm going to turn it over to Amy.
632
00:39:16,060 --> 00:39:21,720
There's a lot going on here, so I want
you to contact a Reiki master, a
633
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,440
and a physical medium.
634
00:39:24,860 --> 00:39:31,760
Scott, I am thinking that you got an
attachment, which is the telepathic
635
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,420
team. So what I would like to be done
first, is a cord removal
636
00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:39,900
from Scott.
637
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,540
So the person who will do this is the
Reiki master.
638
00:39:44,940 --> 00:39:47,520
The Reiki is going to cut the cord is
what you're saying, right? Correct,
639
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:51,200
will return him back to where he came
from.
640
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,240
The second thing I would like to have
happen is another physical medium will
641
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:04,080
come and take this old woman out of your
house, and then they'll
642
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,180
take her home and move her on.
643
00:40:07,470 --> 00:40:14,130
The third thing then is going to be them
setting up a boundary around your
644
00:40:14,130 --> 00:40:17,770
property so that the dead cat can't come
in.
645
00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:21,790
Now, should Scott stop going to these
haunted locations?
646
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:29,410
No, not necessarily. It's just he needs
to learn proper protection methods,
647
00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:34,710
setting up the boundaries on your
property line so they can't follow you
648
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:36,030
Should they...
649
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:39,690
Keep the grandkids away until this is
all done? Yeah, I would, yeah.
650
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:43,150
I always ask, are you going to take
Amy's advice?
651
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:45,290
Absolutely. Yeah.
652
00:40:45,570 --> 00:40:46,870
Yeah, I'm calling tomorrow.
653
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:48,610
All right, good. Yeah, good.
654
00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:53,370
I feel so much better knowing that we
can get rid of it. Yeah.
655
00:40:53,610 --> 00:40:54,610
And stay.
656
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:55,788
And stay.
657
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:59,550
That's good news. That's very good news.
Yeah. I'm very happy. We can take over
658
00:40:59,550 --> 00:41:00,550
our own house.
659
00:41:00,770 --> 00:41:02,450
Well, I'm happy for you guys.
660
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:03,790
Yeah, thank you.
661
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,640
Scott and Joanne have a lot of work to
do, but I'm confident they can get it
662
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,420
done with the help of a Reiki master, a
psychic, and a physical medium.
663
00:41:15,020 --> 00:41:18,740
As soon as they block out and remove the
dead, they can get back to spending
664
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:22,120
time with their family safely in their
dream home.
665
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:32,900
We did follow Amy's advice, and all of
our spirits and negative energies are
666
00:41:32,900 --> 00:41:38,170
gone. We were able to have the physical
medium come with her team. She was able
667
00:41:38,170 --> 00:41:43,670
to remove all the negative energy as
well as any of the negative spirits that
668
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:48,750
were attached to me. She was also able
to help this angry older woman that was
669
00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:52,010
in our home, help her to be able to
peacefully cross over.
670
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:56,730
And so the only regret I think that we
have is that we didn't call you sooner.
671
00:41:57,490 --> 00:41:59,710
Thank you guys again. We appreciate you.
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