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Creeping bad, bad man.
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He loves looking in windows.
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I believe he's trying to kill us both.
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Felt like it was on top of me, trying to
choke out the air.
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This was a sexual thing for him.
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So how many bodies are we talking?
Talking nine.
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He gets off on stalking people.
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He's like laughing, like thick.
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Ooh, the dark is getting darker.
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My name is Amy Allen.
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I see dead people.
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There is a skinwalker here.
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I speak to dead people.
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And they speak to me.
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He wants to collect the women.
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But there's only one way to know if my
findings are real.
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They're stalking the life out of these
people.
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I rely on my partner.
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I'm Steve DeShavit. I'm a retired New
York City homicide detective.
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This is the kind of case that would have
haunted me. And I know every person,
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every house has secrets.
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It's my job to reveal them. But Steve
and I never speak. We never communicate
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during an investigation.
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Until the very end.
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Is that what I think it is?
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Yes. When we uncover if it saved you to
stay. I told you he was trying to kill
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me.
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We're time to get out. You have a dead
person inside you.
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I'm out here in Fresno. It's about
halfway between San Francisco and Los
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Angeles. I got a call from a couple,
Cindy and Steven.
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Now, a few years ago, they moved into
what was supposed to be their retirement
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home, and things quickly went to hell.
We don't know what to do, where to turn,
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where to go.
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Living in our house has become something
I wouldn't necessarily call life.
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They seem like good people, and I'm
hoping Amy and I can help them out.
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This is not good.
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I encountered four graves specifically.
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And there was a woman, a dead woman,
that had wrapped herself around the
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headstone. And she was in full morning
wear. I would put her 1910.
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I kind of approached her and she turned
into like an...
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super old hag -looking woman and was
literally hissing at me.
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Well, Cindy, I'm glad to be here.
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Obviously, you were pretty upset when we
spoke on the phone.
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It's a beautiful home. I mean, what's
going on here?
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It's a... It's literally a living
nightmare.
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So let's start with the basics.
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Who lives here in the house?
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Me and my husband, Steve.
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This is supposed to be our retirement
home, and it was enough room for the
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grandkids. It was enough room for
everybody.
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Do you keep the grandkids away because
of that? We don't invite them over, and
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if they do, we do a lot of preemptive
things to try to stop things from
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happening.
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Like what? What are you guys doing?
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Blessings on the house, holy water.
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We've joined the Catholic Church.
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Just to join it all because of this?
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Because of everything going on here.
They did a house blessing.
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Okay. They've done three exorcisms and a
house exorcism as well.
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I mean, that's incredible because the
Catholic Church is usually very, you
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if they get them to do one, it's a
miracle.
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All right, so Cindy, do me a favor and
give me a list of what the hell's going
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on here.
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I feel like I'm being watched.
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Mood changes.
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Shadow figures.
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I'm being physically attacked.
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And I feel it's trying to kill me
because of what it does to my voice.
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When it happens, you'll hear it, and
then it starts to do this.
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All right, so what just happened now?
You seem like a different person real
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quick. It feels like something's got its
hands around my throat and it's trying
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to prevent me to talk because it doesn't
want me talking about it.
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So do you feel something's trying to
take control of you?
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Well, it's already happened today that
I've been... getting physically attacked
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or feeling like something is trying to
jump
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on me or try to... It'll make my heart
start racing and
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feel like I'm getting pressure.
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Okay. Sometimes it'll make me sick.
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It may come down to Amy telling you,
this is too dangerous for you to stay.
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need to leave.
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My only fear is...
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More than likely a family would move
into this house and I can't feel okay
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somebody coming in and getting hurt like
I've been hurt.
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So I'm seeing an elderly woman dying in
a bed here.
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The problem is here with her being in
the house is that the living are
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very susceptible to taking on her
illness.
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I feel like there's a female, I believe,
that's being really influenced by this
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dead woman. She's stumbling around
because she's out of it. She gets
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easily, walking into things. When she's
kind of in these drugged up states, that
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can cause a lot of issues for the living
as far as being able to
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think straight.
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So what's going on in this part of the
house?
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It feels like I'm being watched and it
doesn't matter basically where I'm at.
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It's worse than the hallway, though.
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So are you feeling that presence like
right now?
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I'm feeling an uneasy feeling right now.
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Anytime I'm going to talk about it, it's
going to start doing.
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To me, it sounds like you're having
maybe some kind of throat issue where
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voice is changing from talking too much.
So I don't know if it's paranormal or
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not. The doctors checked out my throat,
and it's weird. I can sit here and talk
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about anything, but if I start talking
about it, it starts doing this.
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Okay. That's strange.
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What else you got going on? Mid -sweep.
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What are we talking about? Like you're
angry, you're depressed? What is it?
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It's like it wants to get me sad. It
wants to get me mad.
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Like it's trying to section me off from
everybody.
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I'm normally pretty happy -go -lucky,
and when I'm here,
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Just sad. I'll sit there and not talk.
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I've seen your personality kind of
change right in front of me. Your voice
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change.
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You're having these mood swings. Are you
leaning towards that you're getting
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possessed? I think that it's jumping me.
I don't think it's quite gotten to the
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point of going full -blown. All right.
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I wanted to focus on this living female.
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Because it almost, at this point, seems
like they're merging.
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But I don't feel like this elderly woman
is doing this on purpose.
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It almost feels like this living woman
is, like, kind of okay
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with it.
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Unfortunately, they're kind of blending
now.
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So this living woman is really taking on
a lot of this dead woman
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as far as her illness, possibly even a
change of some of her characteristics.
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So maybe this living woman is a physical
medium and does not know it because it
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seems like she's turning into this older
dead woman.
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Is it dangerous for her?
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Yeah, this is very dangerous for her
because she's basically taking in
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dead energy, and it's dead energy that
is stuck in
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this illness.
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If I had to guess, I'd say probably
something like cancer.
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What's with the two beds?
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These days, I only sleep in the other
room because of the paranormal activity.
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Is it making things better?
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No, it's not.
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Are you even getting any sleep in this
house with all the crap that's going on?
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No, I barely get any sleep because I
keep having a lot of nightmares.
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Is it anything specific or is it just
random?
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It's being chased, being hunted, or
somebody choking me.
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Do you think this is what's trying to
kill you?
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That is what I think is trying to kill
me.
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All right, what else?
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Bruises and scratches.
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Where on the body?
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I actually have pictures if you'd like
to see. Yeah.
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Arms, legs.
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Did you feel this when it was happening?
Yeah, it burned really bad.
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So this third one looks like... It was a
choke mark.
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I woke up.
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It felt like it was on top of me trying
to choke out the air.
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And I probably went through it for about
30 seconds or something.
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Felt like something was pushing itself
on top of me.
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I'm scared to sleep. I don't want, I
definitely don't want to dream because
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overwhelming feeling of anxiety and
panic.
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I'm seeing an older male.
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The first thing, he's always looking in
windows.
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Anytime there was a bush or a tree, he
was like lurking and always watching.
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He was very open that this was a sexual
thing for him to kind of stalk people.
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So apparently he did this when he was
alive, and he's still doing it now.
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This man, his energy is all in here.
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uh very bad i feel like he might have
raped someone and he's laughing
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uh yeah that's disgusting
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So, Stephen, I was talking to your wife
earlier.
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Her voice changed.
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You know, her attitude changed.
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I saw it happen in front of me.
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I know you've seen this. Oh, hundreds
and hundreds of times.
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Did it freak you out? The first time,
yes. I ran up to her, grabbed her, shook
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her. Who are you? Why are you here? And
get the hell out of my wife.
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So, for lack of a better word, I hate
using it, but do you think this is some
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kind of a possession?
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I have to say no, because my wife is
still my wife.
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All right. Now, Amy says possessions are
very rare, extremely rare, but people
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do get jumped, which is another thing.
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So you think that could be happening?
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I don't doubt it if we both get jumped.
You as well? Oh, yes, sir.
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So what experiences have you had?
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On two separate occasions, there has
been something that has gotten into bed
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with me.
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Okay, so do me a favor. Describe the
first one for me. Something sat down by
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leg of the bed, and I could feel the
blankets tighten up as if something was
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there. Said a prayer in my head. It
didn't go anywhere. Thrust my foot in
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direction. Got nothing but air, but it
didn't return.
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Okay, now you said there was two
occasions. Oh, yes. The second one was
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worse. Something sat behind me, leaning
over in me, almost like something was
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going to whisper in my ear or kiss me on
the cheek. I came back with a back
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fist. Again, nothing but air, but it
didn't come back.
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All right, so you're feeling this
presence, obviously. What else?
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When I'm sitting in this room, I will
see shadow figures walk past the
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Is it something you can see through, or
is it pretty dark?
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It's pretty dark.
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Is it possible from the light outside
and somebody walking past the house that
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you might see a shadow in here? We do
have cameras on the front of our house,
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and we've never caught anybody walking.
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So have you seen any shadow figures that
you see through the doorway anyplace
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else? Outside, peering through windows,
but always in my peripheral vision.
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This older dead man, he's a real
creeper.
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If there's somebody sleeping, he's right
there.
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He comes in only when the people are
asleep and then he is able to be up
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and he's doing his thing.
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You know what I'm saying?
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You know, I want to say there's been one
or two times where he's kind of been
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busted watching somebody inside at
night, how they're perceiving him.
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More probably like a dark shadowy
figure.
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Very bad.
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Okay, so you got a present scene, shadow
figures, what else?
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Every morning I would see a young lady
in an older style dress, stockings,
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sandal -like shoes with a strap over her
ankle. As soon as I open up the door
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and come around the corner, she's gone.
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Okay, so when you say a young girl, are
we talking?
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Nine, ten.
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All right, so anything else?
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One of the craziest things I have seen
is in this room, I will see a black mass
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that looks like it's moving, like a
spider walks across the ceiling.
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So how big is the mass, I mean?
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About twice the size of a softball.
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Oh, okay, so pretty big. Yes. And how
often have you seen this? I've seen it
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once going across the ceiling and
another time across the floor.
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Did it have that same can't -see
-through mass like those shadow planes?
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correct. So do you think it could be the
same thing, only in a different form?
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Anything's possible.
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Nothing that happens to us in the house
surprises me anymore.
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Your wife said to me she thinks that
whatever's here wants to kill her. I
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she really believes that.
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What's your thoughts?
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I believe so, too. I believe he's trying
to kill us both.
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Okay.
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There's a younger dead man here, and he
is literally changing forms, like, every
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five seconds into different things.
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The younger guy is like, if the ceiling
was invisible, is like
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warming, like going in and out and in
and out and in and out and in and out.
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And he's like laughing, like laughing
like this.
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Oh, he's so creepy. Seeing him
interacting with a small female child
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messing with her horribly.
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And he is torturing this child.
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Amy and I were in Fresno years ago, but
I still have some contacts from that
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case.
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One of them, a local historian, reached
out and said the original owner of Cindy
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and Stephen's property has a hell of a
story I'm going to want to know about.
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So, Mike, I appreciate you helping me
out with this case.
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The original owner, what can you tell me
about this guy? Well, his name was
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Francis Bullard, but he was better known
as Frank.
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Originally, he was from Massachusetts,
but he moved out west to California
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during the gold rush. He was hoping to
make his fortune.
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So that's about 1850?
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About 1850, yeah.
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That's him.
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After several years of grueling mining,
he gave it up. He started a farm,
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specifically raising and breeding high
-end sheep.
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It was at this time he met his wife,
Mary Adness.
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Does he wind up having any kids?
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Yep. Actually, he has five, including
twin boys, Edwin and Edgar.
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And in 1888, that's when he buys your
client's property.
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So, Mike, I assume you didn't call me
here because his life was rosy.
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went wrong, right?
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Six years later, in 1894.
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Frank catches pneumonia and dies.
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He was at the age of 72 at the time.
There's his death record.
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All right, so now he's dead. Who gets
the property?
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Well, the five kids inherit the property
and the business, and that's when
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things start to go bad.
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Okay, like what?
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Edgar and his brother, Frank Jr., both
suffer the losses of their infant son.
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Anything else?
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Unfortunately, yes. As the eldest son,
Edgar was in charge of the family
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business, the Buller Company.
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He didn't see much potential in the land
that he owned, and he started to sell
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it off piece by piece to this guy named
J .C. Fortner. Around 1922, Fortner
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starts to make millions off that same
land that he bought from Edgar.
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So that had nudged him a little bit,
right? Yeah. According to family
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he started to suffer from depression
from that. In March of 1923, he took a
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to his chest and killed himself.
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Okay, so this guy offs himself.
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Who does he leave behind?
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He left behind his wife of 25 years
Florence and their five kids.
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So what wound up happening with
Florence?
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Well, Florence lived for another 15
years and died in 1940 at the age of 67.
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With all that pressure on her, no wonder
she died of a heart attack.
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I'm feeling a lot of depression, like a
loss.
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That kind of a heavy sadness.
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This is all tied to a dead female.
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So literally imagine, like, a wall.
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of energy is just going back and forth
and back and forth.
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How dense it is, that's causing the
headaches and the ear problems.
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It's weird because it looks like a wall
of energy, but it's actually a dead
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female.
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Oh, I'm still feeling it.
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My last meeting got me wondering about
this J .C. Faulkner guy.
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the one who made all that money buying
Cindy and Stephen's land.
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So I reached out to a local professor
who says Faulkner may have made some
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cash, but his life also went to hell the
second he set foot on the property.
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This guy, J .C. Faulkner, what are you
talking about?
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Well, he was born in Kansas.
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He came out to Fresno and became a
really prominent businessman.
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Here he is.
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So he's the guy in the lightest suit.
Yeah.
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So I know he made a lot of money buying
my client's property. What can you tell
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me about that?
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6 ,000 acres he bought in 1910.
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Okay. And began to develop it into this
vast fig orchard. It was considered
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pretty much barren land. They called it
outlaw land.
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But he kind of had a vision.
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So, Professor, on the phone you
mentioned that his life turned to hell
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got the land. What happened?
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January of 1910.
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His wife, Grace, was in labor with his
first child.
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Okay. She delivered a healthy baby boy,
but she died in labor. And here's the
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old bit.
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And she was pretty young, 34, and he was
left pretty much alone to care for the
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kid.
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All right, so this is pretty tragic.
Anything else happen? Well, a couple of
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years later, his mother, Maddie, came
out here from Kansas. She had chronic
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asthma. Oh. And she came out here to
recuperate, to take in the air.
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But by 1913, things took a turn for the
worse.
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She got really sick and passed away. She
was 65 years old.
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Okay, so only a couple of years after
his wife dies.
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All right, so this is pretty tragic.
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I'm seeing the dead lady again.
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She's meshing this dead energy into this
living person.
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She's very thin.
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I mean, I put her, like, probably in her
60s.
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She was in a lot of pain, it seems like.
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And she's dying in a bed here.
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I don't know if she actually literally
died here, but she didn't leave here.
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So he loses his wife in childbirth in
1910. His mother comes out to get
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She doesn't. She winds up dropping dead.
That's enough for anybody.
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Anything else happen with this guy?
Well, the very next year, he got into a
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fatal car accident.
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He hit a motorcyclist. The motorcyclist
died.
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This guy can't catch a break. Well, some
good things happened.
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He got remarried. He had four kids.
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Over the next several years, his
agricultural empire flourished. Okay.
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1930, tragedy struck again. His youngest
child, William, eight years
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old, was climbing in a tree and fell.
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They gave him a transfusion, but he
died.
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So his kid's eight years old, he's dead.
Anything else happen with this guy that
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was tragic?
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He stayed on the land until he sold out
in 1956, made a fortune.
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Okay. Lived for another 13 years. He
died in 1969 at the age of 96.
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This is the death certificate.
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So he lived a long life. Yeah.
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So with all the money this guy made, it
couldn't buy him happiness or the health
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of his family, no?
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I'm seeing the old creeper guy again.
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He possibly was an owner of this.
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location at some point i see him in a
car accident he
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was a businessman he was wealthy and he
loves looking in windows
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that's like a big thing he was like
lurking
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he's so creepy
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So far, I've got a couple being
terrorized by some really bizarre
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a property that has seen more than a
spare share of death.
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But I want to see if there's anything
else.
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Searching through old records, I find
Marcus West, Fresno's most notorious
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murderer. Turns out he lived just a few
miles away from Cindy and Stephen's
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house.
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So I'm heading over to meet a woman who
wrote a book about this mass murderer.
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She prepared me. She said I'm going to
be really pissed when I hear about what
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this guy did.
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Well, Julia, thanks for meeting with me.
I got your book here.
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And instead of reading it, I figured I'd
reach out to you.
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So what can you tell me about this guy,
Marcus Wesson?
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He was born in Kansas in 1946, and his
father was an abusive alcoholic.
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So, Julie, how did they wind up in
California?
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My father left out of the picture,
1960s. The mom takes Marcus Wesson, her
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sister, and all the family, and they
bring him out to California.
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So Marcus grows up. Does he get a job?
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Kind of like a freeloader. He doesn't
really keep a job. Okay. So he meets
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lady.
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Rosemary, and she has her own kids, like
eight kids.
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All right, so I know things turned off
with this guy. What happens? Well, he
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starts grooming one of Rosemary's
younger daughters, who's only eight
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to become his wife.
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An eight -year -old? Eight -year -old.
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He gets permission from her mother to
marry her because he let her know that
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spoke to him, and God has chosen him to
be the Lord and Master.
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By 15, she was already pregnant.
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They had a number of kids, so they had
nine kids altogether.
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All right, so this guy is basically a
cult leader.
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Yes. Okay.
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They followed David Koresh, and that was
his idol.
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Okay.
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The younger pervert guy, seeing him
interacting with a small female child,
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messing with her horribly, she was
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very sick mentally, and now even more
so.
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I think they would have a lot of
experiences with the kid out here.
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I don't know if they've seen her out
here, but it's a possibility, which
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obviously would probably freak them out
a lot.
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All right, so I know he gets arrested
for a whole bunch of murders. So what
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happened? March 2004.
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So by this time, he's married to, like,
six different women.
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They have over a dozen kids, and there's
this custody dispute that happens at
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the house.
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All right, so did the cops get called to
the house?
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Yes. When the cops are telling him, come
outside, come outside, he comes out
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soiled and bloodied.
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Cops go inside the house. What do they
find?
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Horrific scene.
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All the bodies were intertwined, one on
top of the other. The infant was at the
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bottom. Okay. And at the top was the
oldest daughter.
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Okay, so how many bodies are we talking?
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Talking nine.
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This is a sick... I mean... There he is.
This is him?
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That's him.
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And he's doing time still?
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Yeah, he's in San Quentin right now.
He's 73 years old.
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He's standing on death row as we speak.
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I mean, this is a sick, for lack of a
better word.
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This younger male who shifts all the
time, he is torturing this child.
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What experience is she having?
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She sees a really old, really old,
creepy, bad, bad man.
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And he's saying how this thing, which is
really him, is going to come at night
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and eat her.
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00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,320
That's bad. That scares her. And she's
crying, and it's not good.
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The living are encountering a dead
child, running around, acting out.
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She has suffered enough trauma that part
of her is here, will always be here.
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I saw a lot of disturbing things on my
walk, but two dead people have me very
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concerned.
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First, the old lady who is melding with
a living woman.
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She was very thin, pale.
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She had dark circles around her eyes.
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Next, I described the creeper guy
hanging out in the main bedroom.
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His eyes are a little deep. He is...
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leering in a perverted way, and he's
watching them.
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Amy, is that what you saw?
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Yeah, that's what I saw.
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Now that Amy and I have completed our
investigations, we're ready to reveal
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findings to each other and our clients
for the first time.
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Well, guys, I'd like you to meet Amy.
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She's going to be doing a reveal from
one of your bedrooms so that she has the
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quiet she wants to talk to you and the
dead.
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We'll still be able to see and hear each
other with the monitors we have set up.
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Amy, this is Steve and Cindy.
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Now, you guys bought this place about
two years ago.
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and it was supposed to be your forever
dream home, to say it hasn't worked out
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would be an understatement. These guys
think that whatever's here wants to kill
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them, and they're desperate for our
help.
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So unless Amy's got some questions for
you, she'll describe her walk for us.
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When I first walked into the house, I
encountered an older, deceased female.
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What she carries around with her is a
lot of nausea and digestive issues.
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So I think that the living could have
these as well.
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I did get that there was a living woman
in the house who I believe is a physical
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medium. And because of having that type
of ability, this living woman and this
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deceased elderly woman are starting to
merge.
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And this is a dangerous situation.
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Over time, my fear is the living woman
would begin to manifest
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the same symptoms as this elderly woman
and could even have the
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same disease that the woman died from.
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00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:14,720
I would have never thought that medium.
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Do you have any idea your wife might be
a medium? She basically described her
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and how she is.
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Your digestive issues, she cannot sit
down and eat a bite of food without it
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almost coming up.
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Amy, when I interviewed Cindy, her voice
would change like something else. It's
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kind of talking.
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00:30:31,550 --> 00:30:37,750
Well, it was happening every time I
talked about what it does, and then it
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starts doing this to me.
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It feels like I got this pressure on my
chest or on my esophagus, like it's
459
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:47,490
pressing down on it.
460
00:30:48,010 --> 00:30:51,560
Is it possible that this... DOA is
jumping her or is it something
461
00:30:51,860 --> 00:30:56,260
Well, it's more than that because she's
consistently blending with her.
462
00:30:56,540 --> 00:31:01,800
So imagine a long -term jump. But it's
not a possession because she's not doing
463
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,980
this out of, you know, a malicious
intent. That explains a lot of things.
464
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:10,900
All right. So any idea who this woman
was when she was alive?
465
00:31:11,220 --> 00:31:13,180
I put her in her 60s.
466
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,620
The illness.
467
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,000
That she suffered with was very long,
and she was in a lot of pain.
468
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
If I had to guess, I would have said,
you know, that she died from cancer.
469
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:29,600
The weird thing is, is that I was very
confused on if she actually lived here.
470
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,160
few times during my walk, I felt like
there was some kind of relationship
471
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,820
between her and another deceased person
that's here.
472
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,800
All right, that's not a lot to go on for
me, but...
473
00:31:42,510 --> 00:31:45,830
I want to take a shot in the dark here.
Now, one of the first owners of your
474
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:49,570
land was a businessman named J .C.
Faulkner, and he moved here from Kansas.
475
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:54,030
Now, his mother was a woman named Maddie
Faulkner. She suffered from chronic and
476
00:31:54,030 --> 00:31:55,550
painful asthma for years.
477
00:31:56,230 --> 00:32:01,170
So in 1913, she left Kansas and moved
out here to Fresno. Now, the hope was
478
00:32:01,170 --> 00:32:04,130
you have this dry air out here that it
would help her illness. But
479
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:08,510
unfortunately, it didn't. Just a few
months after getting here, she dropped
480
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:13,500
dead. She was 65 when she died, and Amy
had said she was in her 60s. So I'm
481
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:15,860
curious if you think Maddie Faulkner
might have been the woman you saw.
482
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,680
No.
483
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:24,760
She felt like a newer dead person, and I
did have a sketch of her dying.
484
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,020
Apparently this is the woman that's
causing your voice and your physical
485
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:47,580
to be disrupted.
486
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:53,320
It makes me upset because, you know, I'm
not doing anything to her.
487
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:59,580
She feels the warmth and the love that
you emanate, and you're kind of,
488
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:06,040
unfortunately, taking on her misery.
Some days I get sad for no reason and I
489
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:10,000
can't explain it and just want to curl
up and cry.
490
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:13,320
Okay, Aime, what else?
491
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,820
The next person that I'd like to discuss
is very creepy.
492
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,220
He's constantly changing his form.
493
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:28,540
When I first encountered him, I saw him
weaving in and out of the ceiling.
494
00:33:29,020 --> 00:33:34,060
I was sitting here on the couch watching
TV, and I noticed it come into the
495
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:38,340
room. It appeared that it was about this
big, and I...
496
00:33:38,810 --> 00:33:42,630
relay it to other people as a legless
spider just because of the way it moved
497
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:49,590
across the ceiling wow his whole thing
is that he's a
498
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:55,610
stalker but he's not really that
interested in adults and i actually
499
00:33:55,610 --> 00:34:02,450
briefly saw him with this child that he
500
00:34:02,450 --> 00:34:04,130
was torturing and
501
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,639
She looked to be about five years of
age.
502
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,420
I felt like you might see her as well.
503
00:34:14,219 --> 00:34:15,219
Okay.
504
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:19,960
Why did it hit you so hard, sweetie?
505
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:25,219
I've had my daughter's babies over here.
506
00:34:27,739 --> 00:34:29,219
You also saw a little girl.
507
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,500
Yes. I'd come down the hall and I'd see
a little girl.
508
00:34:33,929 --> 00:34:36,389
Sitting on the end of the table.
509
00:34:36,730 --> 00:34:37,730
Interesting.
510
00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:40,850
Anything else?
511
00:34:41,429 --> 00:34:48,110
The next individual that I encountered
was a dead person that I'm worried
512
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:55,230
And I called him the Creeper. He looked
to be in his late 50s, early 60s. I got
513
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:57,310
that he was an upper middle class
businessman.
514
00:34:57,670 --> 00:35:01,050
I think he may have owned this place at
one point.
515
00:35:01,630 --> 00:35:07,350
He showed me that he was in some kind of
a really bad car accident and felt it
516
00:35:07,350 --> 00:35:08,530
was important that I knew this.
517
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:13,250
I also felt that he may have raped
someone while he was alive.
518
00:35:14,050 --> 00:35:17,050
Okay, the rape thing kind of threw me
off a bit. I don't have anything on
519
00:35:18,010 --> 00:35:22,110
But there was a man who owned this
property that was a very successful
520
00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:26,090
businessman, and he did get into a
deadly car accident. Oh.
521
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:28,950
Remember I told you about Matty Faulkner
who died from asthma?
522
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:33,140
Well, her son, J .C., owned the
property, and he was a very, very
523
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:38,540
guy. In 1910, J .C. bought 6 ,000 acres
of land in Fresno, including the
524
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:40,980
property we're on right now. He got rich
off this land.
525
00:35:41,340 --> 00:35:42,880
But money didn't bring him happiness.
526
00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:46,560
The year he bought the property, his
wife died in childbirth.
527
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:49,220
The next year, he got into a deadly car
accident.
528
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,260
Now, J .C. was behind the wheel of the
car, but he hit a motorcyclist. He
529
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:55,740
watched this guy die in front of him.
530
00:35:56,110 --> 00:36:01,030
So now J .C. owned the land until 1956,
and he stayed in Fresno another 13 years
531
00:36:01,030 --> 00:36:02,450
before dying in 1969.
532
00:36:02,850 --> 00:36:04,550
Is it possible this could be the creeper
guy?
533
00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:09,650
Yes. As far as all the details, they all
match.
534
00:36:12,150 --> 00:36:16,110
Now, you said he's one of the ones
you're the most worried about. Why is
535
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:18,630
He gets off on stalking people.
536
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:21,530
He's always looking in windows.
537
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:30,640
He was very open that this was a sexual
thing for him to kind of stalk people.
538
00:36:32,260 --> 00:36:39,040
And I felt like he had been busted a few
times that you may have seen him as
539
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,280
like a shadowy figure.
540
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,620
Sitting here watching TV, I've seen
shadow figures walking past through the
541
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:46,620
doors.
542
00:36:46,780 --> 00:36:51,220
I can walk in my room, the master
bedroom.
543
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,480
I'll feel light.
544
00:36:53,790 --> 00:37:00,650
There's something watching me. I had a
sketch done of what I saw this man
545
00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:01,650
doing.
546
00:37:11,310 --> 00:37:12,430
Oh, jeez.
547
00:37:19,410 --> 00:37:21,930
I'm the one that sleeps on that side of
the bed.
548
00:37:22,620 --> 00:37:23,940
That's even more sick.
549
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:28,620
He watches adults, male and female.
550
00:37:29,060 --> 00:37:30,720
And this excites him.
551
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:37,320
So Cindy's going through a lot here. I
want to show you some pictures that I
552
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,460
have of her being assaulted by this
person.
553
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Her being scratched.
554
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:48,500
Then you got like a bruise, like you had
a hand wrapped around you on her bicep
555
00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:49,500
area.
556
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:51,740
And then this one's the...
557
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,360
choke marks around her neck.
558
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:59,940
I ended up having this person on top of
me with their hands around my throat.
559
00:38:00,580 --> 00:38:04,080
I sat there just going, okay, this isn't
real, this isn't real, this isn't real.
560
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,080
You've had some other things happen to
you that weren't appropriate.
561
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:16,160
Yep. I thought my husband was knocking
in bed with me
562
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,800
and started caressing me and touching
me.
563
00:38:21,150 --> 00:38:24,470
The next thing I know, I felt something
on top of me.
564
00:38:24,670 --> 00:38:28,410
I mean, I opened my eyes and there was
nothing there.
565
00:38:29,710 --> 00:38:34,030
I'm just glad that we're here and that
we can put a stop to this as soon as
566
00:38:34,030 --> 00:38:36,250
possible. I want to get this to stop.
567
00:38:36,490 --> 00:38:37,890
I want to be able to sleep.
568
00:38:56,180 --> 00:38:58,800
Cindy, Steve, good news is you're not
crazy.
569
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,160
Bad news is you're not crazy.
570
00:39:02,020 --> 00:39:05,400
There's a lot going on in here. So now
Amy's going to let you know if there's
571
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:09,060
anything you can do to stay here, and if
so, what it's going to take.
572
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:17,440
What I would like to do is bring in a
team of people. They're an eclectic
573
00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:21,580
They'll be bringing with them a druid
practitioner.
574
00:39:22,140 --> 00:39:24,120
Amy, what exactly is a druid
practitioner?
575
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,860
A druid is an individual who practices
magic.
576
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,380
He'll be handling the collection and
removal of the mentally ill man.
577
00:39:37,580 --> 00:39:44,260
And once he's dealt with that, he will
then go on to deal with the creeper.
578
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,340
And we're just going to let him do what
he wants to with him.
579
00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:53,840
You got a couple of tough characters to
get rid of, so you need... Somebody
580
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,060
tough to get him out of here. Yeah.
581
00:39:55,380 --> 00:40:02,080
While he's doing that, the team will be
first helping the dead
582
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:08,060
elderly woman. What they'll be doing is
calling in her deceased friend to help
583
00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:14,360
move her on. And then they'll also
retrieve this child.
584
00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:21,040
Then they will go over with you, Cindy,
specifically a type of meditation.
585
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,180
that you will need to do to shut down.
586
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:29,980
This will help as far as any random dead
people.
587
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:31,840
How do you feel about that?
588
00:40:32,100 --> 00:40:36,300
I would love to be able to help people,
but, I mean, I know right now I need to
589
00:40:36,300 --> 00:40:37,300
take care of myself.
590
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,340
So once everything happens, she'll start
feeling better, I assume, after a
591
00:40:41,340 --> 00:40:42,038
while, right?
592
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Oh, yeah, like night and day.
593
00:40:44,140 --> 00:40:48,160
I thought it was going to be way worse
than that. That's good.
594
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:52,170
Now, Cindy was worried about bringing
the grandkids here, so I guess after
595
00:40:52,170 --> 00:40:55,610
everything is nice and quiet for a
while, they can start bringing the
596
00:40:55,610 --> 00:40:56,468
back in.
597
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:58,530
I am tickled pink.
598
00:40:59,050 --> 00:41:03,510
This is wonderful. Thank you so very
much, all of you. Thank you. This is a
599
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:07,370
blessing. You guys will get to sleep in
the same room again?
600
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:08,890
Yeah. No, that would be nice.
601
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:11,670
We appreciate you coming and helping us
out.
602
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:16,470
Cindy and Stephen have a long road ahead
of them.
603
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:21,730
But I'm confident if they bring in a
druid practitioner and a group of
604
00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:25,870
to remove the dead, Cindy will have the
space she needs to shut down her
605
00:41:25,870 --> 00:41:29,210
abilities, and they'll be able to live
in their house in peace.
606
00:41:33,950 --> 00:41:36,330
Good evening, dead files. This is Steve
and Cindy.
607
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:42,530
Wow, it no longer feels like I'm waiting
for something to happen. It's
608
00:41:42,530 --> 00:41:45,810
comfortable. I'm no longer getting
tortured throughout the day.
609
00:41:46,810 --> 00:41:49,990
I feel like I can't breathe because
something's trying to choke me. Yeah,
610
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:54,830
are so blessed and grateful that Steve
and Amy came out and did what it is that
611
00:41:54,830 --> 00:41:59,830
they do to get us into the position that
we are now currently in. Thank you so
612
00:41:59,830 --> 00:42:00,830
much.
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