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We interrupt your regularly scheduled
program for the special report.
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I've never seen a more controversial
entity than D -Generation X.
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Here we go.
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In three, two... Good evening, my fellow
Americans.
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This past week, D -Generation X was...
This past week, D -Generation X
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a full sentence.
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If you took a group of great athletes,
stuck them in a frat house... Mix that
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with a bunch of I don't give a ****
attitudes and stir vigorously.
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You get DX to come out of it.
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Generation X was the counterculture,
anti -establishment crew inside WWE.
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They were rat pack for a millennium.
We're total badasses. We're gangsters.
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You had Triple H, Shawn Michaels, X
-Pac, Billy Gunn, Road Dogg, and of
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you had Chyna.
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Their entire purpose was to push the
boundaries and make you uncomfortable
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entertain the hell out of you in the
process.
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We were just six degenerates having a
great time, and you were welcome to come
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aboard and have a good time with us. And
if you didn't, we had two words for
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you. Suck it! Suck it! It became a
battle cry. We got two words for you!
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Suck it!
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Let's get rid of those suckers!
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Degeneration X was cocky, arrogant,
egotistical, and they were cool.
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DX was as much a part of 90s American
pop culture than anything else.
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It was like the Beatles, no matter where
they went.
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When you're in the midst of it, it's
like you're in a drug -addled violent
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tornado that just carried you along.
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I got caught up. I got lost in the
limelight. For a guy that didn't need
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excuses to spiral down to a bad place,
that was it.
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We were unfireable. So I pushed the
limits of everything as far as I
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could. Then you fall into a dark spot.
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We all have our demons. It robs you of
your soul.
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We've all gotten through that.
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Man, we are blessed to be alive.
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There used to be more of us. They define
maybe the most memorable time ever in
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WWE.
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Some of it felt a little childish, a
little crass, but it was a necessary
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revolution. It was a transformation of
what we're allowed to do on TV.
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Should we be doing that now?
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No. There's no real place for a
Degeneration Act today, as far as I'm
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But it is fun to look back on. You will
never forget
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Degeneration Act.
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Try not to take any of it too serious.
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We are back with more Monday Night Raw.
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Everything has an expiration date. And
in the early 90s, WWE was just sort of
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plugging along, trying to use a lot of
the same tricks that had gotten them to
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that point without really reading the
tea leaves and seeing where culture was
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going. What was traditionally hip in
wrestling is no longer hip.
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And DX were the ones that came out and
said, if you think wrestling is going to
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stay the same as it was, you're wrong.
And we are the people who are going to
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come out here and shake things up.
Before you come out here and get the
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kicked completely out of you, D
-Generation X has got two words.
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When you look at DX, what comes to mind
is, well, kind of exactly what it is.
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Degenerates. Degenerates within the
sports entertainment world that were the
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anti -authority and didn't care about
the rules of society or the rules of the
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business and did everything that you
weren't supposed to do.
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DX was Triple H and Sean, New Age
Outlaws, China, X -Pac.
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Triple H and Sean, it was the brainchild
of that friendship that started DX.
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We are the business today.
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There's a bit of discrepancy on Sean and
I's first meeting, and I'll stick with
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my version of it because Sean had issues
at the time. I remember distinctly
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because Sean, he's a fashion assassin.
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Sean came in wearing no shirt, bandanas
all over him. He had cowboy boots with
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his jeans tucked into the pants.
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And, like, that was a street close.
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And, like, he just completely walked in
front of me and just started talking to
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Kevin Nash.
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Kevin said, hey, have you met Paul yet?
And he shook my hand, and then he said,
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anyway, Kev, I'll see you later. And he
walked away, right?
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That is something, and again, that's
what, you know, I'm not sure if it's the
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drugs or, you know. That's the way a
hunter's always better, telling the
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stories.
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I was born July 27, 1969, Nashua, New
Hampshire.
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It's a roaring metropolis.
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Normal childhood.
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Middle class.
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Parents are still married to this day.
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I don't know. I just always had this
interest in things that were larger than
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life. I was five or six years old. My
dad got up and was changing the channel
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and stopped on Chief J. Strongbow. I
remember specifically who it was. I had
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plastic football helmet. I remember
putting the football in the helmet,
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it on the floor, climbing up on my dad's
lap and just sitting and being
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fascinated by it.
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There's something about it that was just
incredibly entertaining, action
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-packed, but these larger -than -life
superheroes, but that were real, and on
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TV, sitting right in front of you.
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And it sucked me in, and from that point
forward, I was fascinated with it.
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When I was 14, I went to the gym for the
first time, and I started lifting
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weights, and I started to see that path
to get to being a WWE superstar.
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As I got to that size, got to that level
of development and becoming larger than
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life, like the athletes that I saw on
TV, it started to become a reality that
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maybe this was something that I could
do. And I started to search high and low
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for a way to make that happen.
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I met a powerlifter named Ted Arcidi,
who...
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had also broken into the wrestling
business.
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And over time, I developed the courage
to ask him, hey, how could I get in the
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wrestling business, man? I'd love to do
that. And he discouraged me in every
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conceivable way possible.
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But I stayed on him, stayed on him,
stayed on him, stayed on him, probably
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to get me to stop asking him. He gave me
the number for Walter Killer Kowalski.
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I went in the ring and took a couple of
bumps, and it was the most natural thing
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I'd ever done first time in my life.
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Then it took off from there. Lock up
your doors. I'm coming to your town.
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They better pray when I'm around. What a
future.
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Young, big man, aggressive, got
everything going for him. Pat Patterson
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we had been invited to a show that was
run by Walter Kowalski. And Walter had a
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student, Paul LeVette.
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His name was Tara Rising.
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Great name.
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By the time that his show came around,
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Paul Levesque had signed a contract with
WCW in Atlanta.
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We met, watched his match, and told him
that night, when your contract comes up,
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WCW, please give us a call.
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Hunter Hearst!
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Paul came in and became Hunter Hearst
Helmsley.
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Hunter was the quintessential snob.
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Hello, Hunter Hearst Helmsley here.
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When Hunter arrived in WWE, I...
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I was happy we got him because I saw a
bright future.
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What an aggressive athlete Miss Hunter
Hurt -Tomsley is.
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He looked good, student of the game.
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Gathering of the minds between Sean and
Hunter was pretty quick.
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I was born in Williams Air Force Base,
and shortly after that, my father got
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transferred to Randolph Air Force Base
in San Antonio, Texas, and for the most
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part, that's where I spent the rest of
my youth and growing up.
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I never sat down and like, what do you
want to be when you grow up? But I just
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recall, I made the comment to my mother,
like, I'm going to be a professional
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wrestler. That's nice, honey.
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You know, I was saying that at 12. And
by the time I was graduating high
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I'm still saying it. And I think I
trained for three months. He is Shawn
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Michaels. In the ring, it's nothing
short of an aerial sight.
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Bill Watts got me booked in Kansas City.
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And that's where I met Marty.
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We walked into the dressing room, and it
was this guy who had real short hair,
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and he had green tights pulled up to
under his chest.
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I was like, oh, damn, we got some work
to do.
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Marty was cool. I mean, he was the cool
guy, and he said, you got something
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inside you that looks like it's dying to
come out, and we're going to get it out
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of you.
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And I'm sure, you know.
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Myself and many people in the wrestling
business are sorry that he ever let that
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person out.
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The Midnight Rockers.
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We became the Midnight Rockers. Turned
into a fantastic team.
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But yeah, we lived with the gimmick, as
they say.
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They love to party. We were out every
night, and nothing was off the table,
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whether it was women, drugs.
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So all of that stuff was on the table,
and we partook in that on an extremely
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regular basis.
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If we was over 300 days a year, we
partied 290 of them.
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Marty and I were just hell to deal with.
But inside the ring, we were really
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good.
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Shawn Michaels, him and his partner,
Marty Jannetty, they came from the AWA
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the late 80s to the WWE, and they were
popular immediately.
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Sean's reputation early on was always
one of a top -notch performer.
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I think Sean always saw himself as the
star and the biggest star.
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So being in a tag team, Sean, in my
opinion, looked at that as a stepping
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to his single stardom.
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Recently, there's been a lot of
controversy, a lot of rumors that maybe
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are going to break up.
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From the time I got in, I never pitched
myself in a tag team.
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In any theater of my mind or dreams was
it ever me and this other guy.
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I would argue the barbershop window is
the greatest tag team breakup of all
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time.
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He literally smashed the version of
Shawn Michaels as we knew it.
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I'd been a rocker forever, and I had no
idea who my character was going to be.
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Then all of a sudden, one day, I'm just
sort of out there.
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It comes out.
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Being in love with yourself.
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Heartbreak Kid was a mix of Elvis meets
Freddie Mercury and of the lead singer
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Judas Priest.
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All of them were so secure in their
entertainment and in their sexuality.
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It is fact that I am the sexiest man
alive.
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This grown man shaking his ass and he's
got the chaps and the song. It's just so
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obnoxious. Shawn Michaels has got that
certain something that everybody's
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looking for.
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It was all that kind of stuff allowing
me a vehicle to let this other person
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out. If your open wants her, you're
going to go up and kick his ass.
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But maybe he's going to kick yours and
take her anyway.
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I mean, there was a lot to dislike.
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The World Wrestling Federation reeks of
jealousy for the Heartbreak Kid.
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When he first turned into the Heartbreak
Kid...
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He was becoming sort of this cocky kind
of character.
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I want you to take a good look at the
wrestler of the 90s. And I think
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there was eventually a time where he did
morph into that character.
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The Heartbreak Kid is cocky, arrogant,
full of himself.
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Not the biggest guy in the room, but
definitely the biggest attitude in the
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room. Shawn Michaels is leaving the
building.
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And DX just accentuated that.
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If you ask anybody to describe Shawn
Michaels in those days, one of the first
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two words out of their mouth is going to
be self -described.
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Triple H was the other end of the
spectrum, both literally and sort of
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metaphorically the designated driver.
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It wasn't always easy being Shawn's
friend. He was the little guy with the
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on his shoulder.
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You will not ever.
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See a man more charismatic, more
flamboyant, or more talented than the
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heartbreak kid Sean. For the longest
period of time, I didn't care for Sean
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all.
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He was hard to deal with, and I didn't
appreciate it.
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But there was no one that I'd rather
work with in the ring.
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Sean was doing things nobody else was
and working on a level from an in -ring
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performer standpoint, but wasn't getting
the accolade of it and was just, he was
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angry and bitter about it.
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Drugs and alcohol didn't help that.
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They're not going to give me a pat on
the back, so I'm going to be obnoxious
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about it. It just started to turn to
anger.
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After a while, it just got to be, I at
least need to have
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that.
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The only guys I got real with were my
buddies, The Click, Hunter, and Kev.
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The Click was a bunch of guys that hung
out together, went to the bars together,
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ate together, I mean, a whole nine
yards. Had very strong opinions on the
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business. These five guys looked at
professional wrestling in the early 90s
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said, this is kind of lame. These guys
who were kind of too cool for school
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started telling Vince that his product
wasn't up to date.
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It's hard to argue with that look back.
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Safe to say that the 90s became the
decade of the anti -hero.
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Music, TV, even movies, people started
pushing boundaries in a way that just
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seemed really edgy at the time.
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As pop culture in America is getting
darker, WWE
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is like the complete opposite.
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A lot of cartoon characters, everyone in
WWE had a job.
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The plumber, the race car driver, the
dentist.
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Wrestling must really be doing bad if
every wrestler has like a second
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occupation. What is that even? You know?
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Not making enough money wrestling?
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We wanted to make wrestling better.
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At least to where like an adult wasn't
embarrassed to say I'm a wrestling fan.
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The business needs to change.
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We were in Indianapolis and Kevin and
Scott had reached a boiling point.
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Sean had reached a boiling point. It was
just the five of us sitting around
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BSing with each other, and you sort of
couldn't get yourself worked up. They
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snapped. I can't take it anymore. I'm
calling Vince.
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We just talked.
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It was us not knowing we're kind of
describing the attitude here, but doing
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and just saying, this needs to be a
shift.
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Yes, some of the tradition is
respectful, but too much of it is just
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like, ugh.
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Vince said, I've no doubt you guys
believe this deep down in your heart.
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Now's not the time.
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He was reluctant. He feels like he has a
good idea of what people want, and it
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just wasn't working out.
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And, like, you know, we had to leave for
Vince to go, okay, okay.
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I mean, it shouldn't have to get to that
point.
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As we got into 1996, WCW, our
competitor, was being very aggressive
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in their quest for new talent, and new
talent to WCW was established stars.
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From WWE.
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It was a tumultuous time in
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our company.
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On May 19, 1996, we went to a house
show, which was not televised. We would
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sneak in a camera, pass security.
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It was the last night in WWE for Diesel
and Razor Ramon. They both accepted
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offers for the rival company, WCW, and
this is their swan song.
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That night, Shawn and Diesel had a cage
match, which was a culmination of their
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rivalry. At the time, Diesel was a bad
guy. Shawn Michaels was a good guy.
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The ending shows Shawn Michaels giving
Diesel a super kick. And Diesel was laid
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out in the middle of the cage.
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Here comes Triple H. Here comes Razor,
who had a match earlier in the night.
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Like, what the hell is this?
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Your champion, your hero, Shawn
Michaels.
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Now hugging and kissing the guy that he
just spent 20 minutes beating the hell
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out of.
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The garden just erupted.
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I'm screaming like a little girl.
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People were going ballistic.
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They're seeing something they've never
seen before in a moment in time.
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It's breaking the fourth wall.
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Just telling people everything that you
had just done in this match, beat the
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hell out of each other, is both taboo in
the wrestling room.
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It's breaking the handshake agreement
that wrestling is real or not.
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In pro -wrestling logic, they're not
treating this like it's real.
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The clique was an insult to our
business.
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If they had done that in the 70s, early
80s, they'd have all four of them. We
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watched right up until the point, I
think, that the four of them raised
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hands and doing their little curtain
call.
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And the men said, let's go.
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Ooh.
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Everybody's pissed.
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Everybody's taking it as they're
crapping on the business, not expressing
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friendship. Nothing you can do to Razor,
nothing you can do to Diesel. They're
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gone. They're WCW's problem now.
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Okay, Sean's the champion. There's only
so much. You know, Sean, don't you ever
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do that again.
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Hunter, man, we can't go any further
with him based on the decision that he
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on that night.
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One of Vince's famous quotes, you're
going to have to learn to eat like the
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taste of it.
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I was supposed to win King of the Ring,
and he said, obviously that's not going
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to happen now. I said, okay.
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As I was leaving, I turned back to him
and I said, this goes back to what we
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were talking about in Indianapolis. What
was the loudest reaction in Madison
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Square Garden? I don't understand how
that's wrong. The business is changing.
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We've got to change with it.
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The curtain call. That moment, that sort
of wink at reality, it sets the stage
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for DX.
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Shawn Michaels and Triple H, at that
point, they were bound together.
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After Kevin Scott left, we just had each
other. That bond, which was already
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strong, was instantly made stronger.
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And I think Hunter really began to
understand how much more
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dependent on him I was going to become.
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After the curtain call, Shawn Michaels
was still on top of everything.
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But for Triple H, it was, you know, back
to square one.
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He was supposed to win the King of the
Ring tournament.
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It ended up being Stone Cold Steve
Austin, which changed the course of
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in its own way.
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He was going to have to start back over
on the bottom.
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He took a good hit, no doubt.
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Creative hit.
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And that was his way of punishing Triple
H. He lost some money because his
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position of cards lowered.
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He wasn't looked at as exaltingly as he
once was.
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And I said this to him, you just got to
let the water go under the bridge and
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you got to get past it somehow.
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Maybe you want to reinvent yourself a
little bit.
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It's over.
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I can't pull it. Foot to the leg. One,
two in.
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You got him.
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As my punishment came to an end, I was
told, hey, you know what, we're going to
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start you back up.
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The business was slightly changing, so
Vince had offered me to slowly
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out of being the blue blood character to
more what I see myself as.
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And they also felt like if they put a
heater with me, it would give me a fresh
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coat of paint.
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Sean and I at that point had met Joni.
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She was an extremely impressive and
jacked young lady.
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You could not...
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help but notice her right away we were
like oh my goodness sean and i both
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looked at each other at the same time
and we're like that's my heater no one's
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ever done that in the business before
you have a woman bodyguard which was
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a heat getter but have one that was so
unbelievably impressive that it could be
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taken realistically we brought it to
vince and he hated it Didn't see it at
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I thought it was the dumbest idea of all
time. I believe we were in Tampa, and
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we had breakfast with Shane, and he
thought it was a fantastic idea.
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Vince said, that girl hasn't signed with
WCW yet. Tell her she can be your
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eater. But if she's a screw -up, if
she's a head case, it's on you. It's
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fault.
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Live for Monday Night Raw, his lights
have been dimmed.
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My initial memory of Chyna was when she
snatched Terry Reynolds and was flinging
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her around like a ragdoll. Terry looked
like she had not a bone in her body.
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My reaction was like, oh my God, I've
never seen anything like this.
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Everyone, Jim Ross, Jerry Lawler, and us
as the audience at home, everybody
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is going, I have no idea what this is
about. Who?
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is this lady. That is a huge woman! An
Amazon black woman!
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These are newborn. Look at how tiny she
is. These are newborn pictures of her.
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It's kind of hard to believe that this 6
-pound, 10 -ounce thing would grow up
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to be the ninth wonder of the world. I
mean, it's, like, kind of awesome.
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Joanie was born in Rochester, New York,
at...
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4 .14 in the afternoon, I remember it.
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She had strawberry blonde hair.
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Joan was kind of the entertainer.
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She could always liven up the crowd.
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At some point, her father and I
divorced, and we kind of flitted from
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apartment to another apartment. The kids
switched schools.
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I'm sure that was unsettling for them. I
know it would be unsettling for me.
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I always say when Joanie turned 15, the
devil came down and snatched her and
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took her away.
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She got involved with a bad crowd at
school.
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And I went through her room and found
some little baggies of what looked like
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some kind of drug. And so we called her
down and we confronted her.
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And that was kind of the beginning of
the end. When she was 16, she left and
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went with her father.
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And I didn't fear or talk to her for 27
years.
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China definitely broke the mold of what
a female was supposed to look and act
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like in sports entertainment.
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I mean, we had women before might get
involved in a little extracurricular
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activity, but nobody who had that sheer
force of will and power that
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Joni brought to the table.
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To see a woman as the muscle for a man,
you're not able to place why something
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is different at first, but you know when
you're seeing something for the first
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time. And that's what China was.
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You might be the world's most dangerous
man, but I'm bringing something with me
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even deadlier than that.
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The world's most dangerous woman.
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The emergence of China was something no
one had ever seen.
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That's the kind of stuff you're waiting
for as a fan.
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After Hall and Nash leave, business is
not great.
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Crowds are much smaller.
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Sometimes they're playing smaller
venues. WWE is not trending in the right
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direction. Shawn's in a cascade at this
point in time. He's downward spiraling.
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Business is not great. There's a lot of
banter about Shawn's not working as
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champion. He's collapsing under the
pressure.
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I can see him falling apart.
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Shawn came to work impaired on more than
one occasion.
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His mood swings became very drastic.
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If I want to come out here and look like
a blithering idiot on live TV, believe
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me, I'm going to do it. Why?
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Because I can.
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We get to Lowell, Massachusetts, and
this is the night that Sean loses his
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smile. Here, ladies and gentlemen, to
surrender the World Wrestling Federation
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Championship.
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I wasn't in a great place. The reality
is, when you're a drug addict, you don't
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think well. Your judgment isn't great.
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Over the last couple months, there's
been a lot of talk, a lot revolving
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this belt.
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One thing that's not going to revolve
around this belt is going to be Shawn
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Michaels. In my mind, it's not me, it's
the place.
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Asking for my release and believing that
I would be happier going to WCW and
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just being with my friends.
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The last several months, I've lost a lot
of things and one of them has been my
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smile. I just thought it was better for
everything and everyone that you let me
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move on and whatever happens, happens.
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Vince has said no. And he understood
that, look, what you enjoy about this
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is the creativity and the chance to go
out there and do.
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What you believe is your art, and they
won't allow you to do what it is you
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to do. So whether it was from a business
standpoint or a personal standpoint, he
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wasn't going to release me.
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It's unraveling for Sean.
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So the lose the smile thing is, I got to
step away for a minute or I'm going to
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die. And I'm always God now.
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They ain't nothing else.
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Like, nothing.
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WWE's fighting battles on two fronts.
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They're fighting for viewers against WCW
on Monday nights. But they're also
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fighting internally with relevancy.
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It was the first time that anybody had
ever challenged us and taken it to the
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point of actually doing perceivably
better than us.
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It was tough.
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It was really, really tough. It was
demoralizing and people felt a little
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defeated. Every penny that we spent.
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was analyze what do we need, what can we
get by without, and what are we going
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to do to turn this around.
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This was a moment where things needed to
change.
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Business was bad, bad, dying.
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And the World Wrestling Federation kept
pushing Shawn Michaels. I told you time
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and time again, don't push me. At that
point in time, he's bitter and angry.
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But you push, and you push, and you
push. And what happens when you push the
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heartbreak kid? You get a reaction.
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I'm a little bit at a point like,
listen, I'm going to do what I want to
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What's the worst that's going to happen?
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The X is born.
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You no longer know a step.
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Traditionally hip in wrestling is no
longer hip.
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Vince always said that Shawn Michaels
reminded Vince of a young Vince McMahon.
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Defiant, attitudinal. We are what is
cool.
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Vince is going to acquiesce to pretty
much anything Sean wanted to do within
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reason. So DX, Sean was the catalyst for
that.
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We are.
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It was filling a need for me personally
with the friendship that Hunter and I
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had. And Joey was coming with us. And it
goes back to seeing society, the sort
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of rebellious atmosphere that was going
on. Generation X was the counterculture,
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anti -establishment crew.
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And for the survival of the company, DX
was sort of a necessary irritant. I'm
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using this vehicle against you.
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I saw it as inmates had taken over the
asylum.
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You're a disgrace to professional
wrestling.
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You're nothing but a degenerate.
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The show was going to be all about them,
and they minimized everyone else to
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entertain themselves.
447
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,960
We said what we wanted to say. I've got
two words for the hitman, brother. We
448
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,260
went places you weren't supposed to go.
449
00:29:15,580 --> 00:29:17,980
Suck it. Yeah. I mean, it pissed off
everybody.
450
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:33,690
There are a lot of people, they look at
the 95 through
451
00:29:33,690 --> 00:29:37,650
97 and go, oh man, that's the best HBK
because he didn't give two.
452
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:43,210
The heartbreak kid is in this business
because this business needs the
453
00:29:43,210 --> 00:29:49,470
heartbreak kid. I wasn't scared of
anything. I didn't care about my life. I
454
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:52,210
didn't care about money. I didn't care
about anything.
455
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,800
And when you are like that in a creative
line of work where it is wild, wild
456
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,040
west, you are freaking unbeatable.
457
00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:10,220
People had said to me my whole career,
you haven't lived enough life to hate
458
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:13,860
yet. When you learn to have hate, you're
going to make a fortune in this
459
00:30:13,860 --> 00:30:14,860
business.
460
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,020
That anger, that hatred inside of you
will burn and you'll be able to put that
461
00:30:19,020 --> 00:30:20,020
out there real.
462
00:30:21,900 --> 00:30:23,540
I want you to unload.
463
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,180
This is what you've been waiting for,
buddy. Get up. The promos that we were
464
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:32,720
doing in the beginning, there's a lot of
anger in those. That was a new world
465
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,140
for me, whether by my own hand or not.
Like the curtain call, you can't do
466
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,120
you can't do that. Like always having
these handcuffs and restraints. I've
467
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,880
sitting back for a couple of years. And
anger coming out of that to know I can
468
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,720
do more than this. I want to be more
than this. While you...
469
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:54,160
and the World Wrestling Federation have
spread your legs like some cheap whore.
470
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,800
You go back and you watch the promo that
he cut on Vince.
471
00:30:57,020 --> 00:31:00,320
When he finally got to unload on him,
that was real.
472
00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:06,180
I can distinctly remember cutting that
promo and seeing Vince's eyes change
473
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:09,640
while I was saying it. I'm thinking to
myself, I might as well see the other
474
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:10,640
side of the line.
475
00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:16,790
I am now taking it in my hands and there
is no stopping us now. There was nobody
476
00:31:16,790 --> 00:31:21,690
really like DX before in the sense that
they were established stars who decided
477
00:31:21,690 --> 00:31:22,690
they'd had enough.
478
00:31:23,610 --> 00:31:29,010
They were trying to shake things up from
within.
479
00:31:30,770 --> 00:31:35,150
They were getting away with murder. They
were like pushing every boundary.
480
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:40,410
Every week we're going on TV and we're
crossing a line. We're coming back and
481
00:31:40,410 --> 00:31:42,970
Vince is going, you can't say that,
guys. You can't do that.
482
00:31:43,170 --> 00:31:47,150
We might have to change our name to
Double D Generation X.
483
00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:51,370
I remember looking around at the other
guys. We're watching the monitor on a
484
00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:55,530
weekly basis. We're looking at each
other going, can they say that? Like, I
485
00:31:55,530 --> 00:31:59,450
don't think we're allowed to say that.
They might as well just say suck it.
486
00:31:59,510 --> 00:32:01,390
Generation X, one, two, two.
487
00:32:02,580 --> 00:32:05,280
It's disgusting, and you've got a smile
on your face.
488
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:09,960
It became a battle cry. I remember in
high school, my friends would be doing
489
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,040
this to each other all day. That was
just something that everyone knew
490
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:14,919
what it was.
491
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,460
We couldn't flip people off.
492
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,860
You couldn't curse at people. One of the
things that all of us used to do would
493
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:22,800
be this crotch -pointing thing.
494
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,120
You could get away with it, because what
did you do? Did you just point at his
495
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,530
crotch? I don't think it was over the
line. We were getting our tails kicked
496
00:32:30,530 --> 00:32:31,169
the ratings.
497
00:32:31,170 --> 00:32:35,410
DX took it to the very tipping point of
going too far.
498
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:37,490
But that's what we needed.
499
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:41,450
Ratings are going up. Okay, this shock
stuff is creating controversy that's
500
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:45,110
working. Bret Hart, obviously you're not
in a very good mood considering the
501
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:48,650
antics of Shawn Michaels and Hunter
Hearst Helmsley. You know, there's the
502
00:32:48,650 --> 00:32:52,330
side complaining about the stuff we're
doing on TV and they think it's
503
00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:53,450
disrespectful to the business.
504
00:32:53,810 --> 00:32:56,150
But, I'll be honest, we didn't give a...
505
00:32:56,650 --> 00:32:59,630
Brett Hart did have a problem with DX.
506
00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:03,690
You're a guy that has degraded the
championship belt. I'll give Brett Hart
507
00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:10,390
credit for basically naming DX because
Brett, in a promo, talked about, you
508
00:33:10,390 --> 00:33:11,990
what you are? You're just degenerate.
509
00:33:12,210 --> 00:33:16,250
Why don't you two degenerates come down
here right now?
510
00:33:16,650 --> 00:33:20,250
And that's where I remember sitting
there with Vince. He's like, they are.
511
00:33:20,390 --> 00:33:22,290
They're degenerates.
512
00:33:22,650 --> 00:33:24,090
They're D -Generation X.
513
00:33:24,590 --> 00:33:25,610
DX was born.
514
00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:31,190
We are the generation that eats. You
make your rules and we will bring them.
515
00:33:31,550 --> 00:33:36,790
Yeah, I can't say I liked it. That whole
direction into the smut era.
516
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:42,050
You're looking at somebody that's got no
respect for anything or anybody.
517
00:33:42,750 --> 00:33:47,750
They're so problematic and they don't
get along with anybody else.
518
00:33:48,890 --> 00:33:50,210
DX did well in ratings.
519
00:33:50,410 --> 00:33:51,970
They were valuable in a lot of areas.
520
00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:54,610
But you had to take the good with the
bad with those guys.
521
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:55,870
You talked enough.
522
00:33:56,090 --> 00:34:00,150
I can say that most of the guys in the
dressing room were kind of disgusted
523
00:34:00,150 --> 00:34:01,029
it.
524
00:34:01,030 --> 00:34:04,230
There's not a day we went by a TV or
someplace where I didn't have to sit and
525
00:34:04,230 --> 00:34:06,950
talk to somebody about how DX was
perceived.
526
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:10,929
They did not endear themselves to the
rest of the roster.
527
00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:14,469
You know, they're going to eat in the
same restaurants, they're going to go to
528
00:34:14,469 --> 00:34:16,429
the same gym. They did them with
themselves.
529
00:34:16,630 --> 00:34:20,330
They didn't have an entourage, the three
of them. It's like a little married
530
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:21,330
couple.
531
00:34:21,570 --> 00:34:23,449
Yeah, it became a little family group.
532
00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:24,929
You got like two dips.
533
00:34:25,130 --> 00:34:28,230
Guys on the road, Joni brings in a
different environment all of a sudden.
534
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:33,770
China's role from a television
standpoint, she was bodyguard slash
535
00:34:33,870 --> 00:34:37,770
Behind the scenes, look, she was
babysitter and kind of mama.
536
00:34:38,070 --> 00:34:39,210
She took care of us.
537
00:34:39,590 --> 00:34:43,949
You know, I was not always in the best
of shape. And you always see Hunter's
538
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:49,210
role in that. What they don't see is
that she was in the car or in the hotel
539
00:34:49,210 --> 00:34:51,130
not very far from that situation.
540
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,960
When Sean would be miserable, like, she
was somebody that could talk him out of
541
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,940
it and could keep him on a positive.
542
00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,640
I couldn't talk him out of it. I could
just make sure he didn't kill himself.
543
00:35:01,300 --> 00:35:03,660
It definitely became a family bond
there.
544
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,440
In the mid-'90s, DX was the turning
point in many ways.
545
00:35:09,780 --> 00:35:14,440
We pushed the edge, we walked across the
line, and we stayed there for a while.
546
00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:16,000
You want to raise the bar?
547
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,360
Oh, here's your radio.
548
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:23,680
DX was the guys dragging the line as far
as they possibly could. This became the
549
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,680
must -see television.
550
00:35:24,820 --> 00:35:29,580
Can you believe that this is what
they're doing?
551
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,120
How dare they?
552
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:35,260
They're ruining our children.
553
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,080
But the world was getting edgier.
554
00:35:40,340 --> 00:35:45,620
Everything around was getting edgier. So
you either kept up with the times or
555
00:35:45,620 --> 00:35:46,620
you fell behind.
556
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:52,810
So we're junkies for the crowd, and the
crowd is going nuts.
557
00:35:53,130 --> 00:35:56,870
So we're out there just letting it all
swing, and, like, we're coming back, and
558
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:59,190
everybody's going, you can't do that.
And we're going, like, hey, we're going
559
00:35:59,190 --> 00:36:00,190
nuts.
560
00:36:00,990 --> 00:36:03,170
Sorry. Got a call from USA Network
yesterday.
561
00:36:03,390 --> 00:36:05,750
You guys are going to get us taken off
the air. They're going to go to black.
562
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:12,370
We interrupt your regularly scheduled
program for this special report.
563
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:18,870
The USA Network had... Sent Vince a
letter not being happy with some of the
564
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:21,030
things that we had done on television.
565
00:36:21,310 --> 00:36:22,750
And he came to us and threw it down.
566
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:27,290
So what am I supposed to do with this,
right? Both Sean and I were like, can we
567
00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:27,879
use it?
568
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,360
Vince McMahon now is sort of at a point
where he's kind of getting into this
569
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,480
rebellious thing, so he's wanting to
push back a little bit with USA.
570
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,820
I'm going to say this again. And this
was right at the time Clinton had just
571
00:36:40,820 --> 00:36:45,480
the Monica Lewinsky. I did not have sex
with that young intern, and everybody
572
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,480
knew he was lying.
573
00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:48,540
You write it up top here, Sean, in big
letters.
574
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,560
And we were like, let's do that.
575
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,980
Good evening, my fellow Americans.
576
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,260
To reference Bill Clinton and Monica
Lewinsky was really smart because it
577
00:36:57,260 --> 00:37:01,780
it from just being a we'll do whatever
we want to do sort of statement to a we
578
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:04,020
are what this culture has made us into.
579
00:37:04,340 --> 00:37:11,240
DX was not the reason the late 90s were
sort of edgy
580
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,640
and it's sometimes gross.
581
00:37:12,860 --> 00:37:14,460
They were a reflection of it.
582
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,800
References. Hey, watch your mouth.
583
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,500
We're not the worst part of culture.
584
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:29,170
We're reflecting what American culture
is. I did not sleep with that young
585
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:34,130
intern. As a matter of fact, I was up
all night.
586
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:36,750
But I remember getting a call.
587
00:37:37,390 --> 00:37:42,470
I just heard from USA, and I was like,
right, okay. And then, like, I loved it.
588
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:44,210
Are you ready?
589
00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:45,670
Rain's are going up.
590
00:37:46,070 --> 00:37:47,330
Your segments are hot.
591
00:37:47,790 --> 00:37:49,850
So now, we were emboldened before.
592
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:51,970
Gloves are off now.
593
00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:54,710
We are doing whatever we want.
594
00:37:54,970 --> 00:38:00,030
WrestleMania is now X -rated.
595
00:38:01,330 --> 00:38:04,330
We were like the Howard Sterns of the
wrestling world.
596
00:38:04,590 --> 00:38:08,250
Some of it felt a little childish, a
little crass, but it was the necessary
597
00:38:08,250 --> 00:38:12,930
revolution. It was a transformation of
what we're allowed to do on TV.
598
00:38:14,170 --> 00:38:17,270
Get your children's permission to watch.
599
00:38:17,570 --> 00:38:19,250
Iron Mike Tyson is here.
600
00:38:19,690 --> 00:38:25,610
Discretion is advised, but will be
completely ignored.
601
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:32,930
Mike Tyson is the hottest thing in
sports.
602
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:35,710
Many members of the media really don't
understand.
603
00:38:36,330 --> 00:38:39,110
Where do we belong? Do we belong on the
entertainment page? Do we belong on the
604
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:39,968
sports page?
605
00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:43,570
So Mike, involved with the World
Wrestling Federation, brings the
606
00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:47,530
the focal point to the WWF. So
WrestleMania 14 is a crazy time.
607
00:38:47,930 --> 00:38:51,970
Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Mike
Tyson in the middle.
608
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:53,470
Shawn's a star.
609
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:58,210
Steve Austin's becoming a big star. Mike
Tyson's the biggest star in the world.
610
00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:01,790
All in the main event of WrestleMania
14.
611
00:39:11,050 --> 00:39:17,690
No one was as big as Mike Tyson was in
the late 90s. People were scared of Mike
612
00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:21,490
at that time. All you thought about with
Mike Tyson was him knocking people out,
613
00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:24,150
and in one case, biting off your ear.
614
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:28,310
He was a little bit of a, you know,
persona non grata in mainstream pop
615
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:30,750
But to WWE, that was an opportunity.
616
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:33,850
I'm telling you, it's perfect for the
Generation X. You know what I'm saying?
617
00:39:33,930 --> 00:39:37,130
Bring your decision down. I can remember
first getting involved with the WWE,
618
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:41,670
the whole ordeal, the air -biting
situation, and I was just pretty much a
619
00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:48,070
pariah. The baddest man on the planet,
Iron Mike Tyson!
620
00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:52,790
I was just so happy to be involved with
the Generation X. I'm a fan.
621
00:39:53,110 --> 00:39:54,110
Good God!
622
00:39:58,540 --> 00:40:00,760
Who has more attitude than Mike Tyson?
623
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Nobody.
624
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:04,560
DX, they're a perfect fit.
625
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,320
They share this common identity as the
people who push the boundaries too far.
626
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,800
Somehow, DX managed to also bring the 12
-year -old kid out of Mike Tyson.
627
00:40:15,300 --> 00:40:18,660
We got to see a lot more from Mike Tyson
than we'd ever seen before.
628
00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:27,200
Getting Shawn to WrestleMania was a
battle.
629
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:31,090
He had a bad back. He was heavily
medicated.
630
00:40:31,450 --> 00:40:36,910
Ladies and gentlemen, the following
contest is a casket match.
631
00:40:37,730 --> 00:40:39,930
I had done the casket match with Taker.
632
00:40:40,910 --> 00:40:47,090
I threw him over the top rope, over this
giant coffin,
633
00:40:47,330 --> 00:40:49,910
and I think he clipped his back.
634
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:54,370
I just didn't quite get far enough. Bam,
I just hit the corner on my low back.
635
00:40:54,590 --> 00:40:56,630
Wake up the next day, and I can't move.
636
00:40:57,500 --> 00:41:01,780
I blew the disc and all that kind of
stuff. And he said, you can't wrestle.
637
00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:06,860
I said, nobody tells me what to do. So
I'll dope myself up and we'll make it to
638
00:41:06,860 --> 00:41:10,040
WrestleMania. Then I'll let my career be
over.
639
00:41:13,060 --> 00:41:19,940
So you had Sean, who was injured, who
was self -medicating and really
640
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:23,600
overdoing it. But there was also just a
lot going on up here with Sean.
641
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,380
His drug use was out of control.
642
00:41:27,150 --> 00:41:31,050
He knew that he became addicted to the
painkillers, the muscle relaxers, and so
643
00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:32,610
forth. He was completely wasted.
644
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:35,430
And it was sad to see.
645
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:41,750
I'd go get a luggage cart and put Sean
on the luggage cart, roll him up to his
646
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:46,010
room, get him undressed, dig dip out of
his mouth, and put him on his side, put
647
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:48,670
a pillow behind him so he wouldn't roll
over and choke to death in his sleep.
648
00:41:49,450 --> 00:41:50,450
Are you enabling?
649
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:53,050
Or are you trying to save his life?
650
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:56,090
This is my dilemma a lot.
651
00:41:57,720 --> 00:42:00,020
WrestleMania, I'm always involved. It's
always big.
652
00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:06,180
Big news and big things tend to follow
me. Every day closer we got to that day,
653
00:42:06,340 --> 00:42:09,260
I think Sean became a little more
irrational.
654
00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:12,960
You don't just do this stuff for the
jollies, pal. You do it because you're a
655
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,880
jock. He knew when this was over, I'm
going to go away for a while.
656
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:20,780
At 50%, on my worst day with the flu,
hungover.
657
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:25,400
I could clap the taste out of your
mouth. Sean was in a lot of pain. Sean
658
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:26,400
to get fixed.
659
00:42:26,590 --> 00:42:31,870
Hunter was the guy that you could depend
on. If Sean was unable to do something,
660
00:42:32,130 --> 00:42:34,270
you'd plug Hunter in to do it.
661
00:42:34,570 --> 00:42:39,610
And I think that Paul saw that as, this
is my opportunity to step up once Sean
662
00:42:39,610 --> 00:42:40,610
goes away.
663
00:42:41,630 --> 00:42:45,970
There were conversations with me about
going forward with DX from there. There
664
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:50,250
was also conversations that I knew that
were happening of like, can he do that
665
00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:54,750
on his own? And at that point, I'm still
seen as secondary to Sean.
666
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:58,770
And can I handle that? Am I a main event
player?
667
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,230
Remember, you're replacing Shawn
Michaels.
668
00:43:01,830 --> 00:43:06,490
You just don't walk off the street and
pick out the next Shawn Michaels.
669
00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:08,130
The audience aren't down.
670
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:25,510
There's only one Shawn Michaels.
671
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:29,450
For many at that time, DX was Shawn and
Hunter.
672
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:31,910
And how do you place Abbott and
Costello?
673
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:35,290
Hello again, ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to Raw.
674
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:39,990
Triple H of DX is going to make a major
announcement here tonight.
675
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:44,050
The next night, half the people coming
up to me were saying, do you got to
676
00:43:44,050 --> 00:43:47,290
this out of the park or it's dead in the
water? And the other half were telling
677
00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:50,450
me that, thinking, there's no way you're
going to do this. It's going to suck,
678
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:51,428
so good luck.
679
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:57,990
When you set out to do what no one else
can do, you look to your friends.
680
00:43:59,930 --> 00:44:02,790
You look to the clique.
681
00:44:06,450 --> 00:44:07,670
Well, look who's back.
682
00:44:13,470 --> 00:44:18,490
When Scott and Kev left for WCW, I was
going to leave too. Long story short, I
683
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:21,850
had like an overdose in a production
meeting before TV.
684
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:23,870
And so Vince puts me in rehab.
685
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:27,570
And so I was in rehab when the curtain
call happened.
686
00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:33,810
Vince has a meeting with me. Tell me
like, yeah, if you want to go to WCW,
687
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:37,050
give you a week. If you stay here,
you're going to be in the doghouse
688
00:44:37,050 --> 00:44:38,050
like Hunter was.
689
00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:39,330
No, no thanks.
690
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:41,770
So I went to WCW.
691
00:44:47,980 --> 00:44:49,480
I ended up getting fired from there.
692
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,500
As soon as I got fired, Hunter found out
and he called me. And he told me Sean
693
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:57,820
was getting ready to take time off and
that he wanted to keep doing the DX
694
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:03,040
thing. And Hunter was like, we can be co
-leaders of DX.
695
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,120
And that's kind of how he pitched it.
696
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,120
One of my best friends in my entire
life, Triple H.
697
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,940
He says, DX needs your help.
698
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,900
I was so nervous that I was going to
screw that up. I was just happy it
699
00:45:19,900 --> 00:45:21,180
out as good as it did, man.
700
00:45:21,460 --> 00:45:24,200
He shows up, crowd goes insane.
701
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:28,460
So now you have Triple H, Chyna, and X
-Pac.
702
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:30,280
That's not all for that night, though.
703
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,640
So later that night, the New Age Outlaws
have a tag match against Cactus Jack
704
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,260
and Chainsaw Charlie, Terry Funk.
705
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:44,680
And all of a sudden in that match, DX
shows up and interferes.
706
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,280
Cactus and Terry get beaten savagely.
707
00:45:51,540 --> 00:45:52,540
It's ugly.
708
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:59,140
And then out of that, what we're left
with is this shot of the cage with the
709
00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:00,540
new DX.
710
00:46:00,940 --> 00:46:06,760
The New Age Outlaws, Triple H, X -Pac,
and China in the middle. I
711
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:13,020
think that was like the first time I got
to do this. For some reason, I really
712
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:16,020
wanted to do that on TV, and I finally
got to do it.
713
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:22,780
We had no idea what we would do next,
but that opening salvo sure got
714
00:46:22,780 --> 00:46:23,780
everybody's attention.
715
00:46:23,900 --> 00:46:28,240
Who would have guessed that you take
away the greatest worker of our
716
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:32,840
Shawn Michaels, and instead of DX dying,
it becomes stronger than ever?
717
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,360
This is my DX, my army.
718
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:45,660
I was born in Marietta, Georgia, the
summer of 69.
719
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,980
I grew up there until I was in the fifth
grade. Then we moved down into the
720
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:50,980
panhandle of Florida.
721
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,060
My father was a bullet Bob Armstrong,
also a WWE Hall of Famer.
722
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,460
I always wanted to be a professional
wrestler.
723
00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:03,980
My father actually tried to persuade me
not to get into it at all. Like, it is a
724
00:47:03,980 --> 00:47:07,280
rough life. You sacrifice a great deal
to chase this dream.
725
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:17,660
Now, when I graduated high school, I was
like 6 '4", and I was about 165 pounds.
726
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,300
So I was not going to join the sports
entertainment community anytime soon. So
727
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:24,279
went into the military.
728
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,580
I had a six -year stint in the Marine
Corps.
729
00:47:30,570 --> 00:47:31,990
We went to Desert Storm.
730
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:37,190
I lived in a sand hole for six months of
my life, ate more sand with every meal
731
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:38,190
that I'd like to remember.
732
00:47:38,370 --> 00:47:43,130
That was a really scary time in my life,
but on the flip side of that coin, it's
733
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:45,670
the most proud I am of anything in my
life.
734
00:47:46,070 --> 00:47:49,290
I figure someday when you get out of the
Marines, you'll be right there in that
735
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:50,930
ring with them. Yes, I will, Mr.
Bullard.
736
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:55,490
Really proud of my service. Would have
done more, but wrestling came calling.
737
00:47:57,420 --> 00:48:00,060
From Music City, USA, Jesse G.
738
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:05,160
I got a tryout in WWE. I was going to be
the singing cowboy.
739
00:48:08,780 --> 00:48:13,300
Times were changing, man, and that
singing cowboy gimmick wasn't quite as
740
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:14,440
as they once thought it was.
741
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,460
I would say probably 96.
742
00:48:18,180 --> 00:48:23,200
That's when the real Double J and
Rockabilly were first match every night,
743
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,200
versus Billy.
744
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:25,600
Rockabilly!
745
00:48:30,350 --> 00:48:31,890
I don't really say that out loud.
746
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:36,410
I was born and raised in Florida.
747
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:40,670
I trained horses. I rode horses all the
time. I was really into the Western
748
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:43,510
thing. I actually went to college on a
rodeo scholarship.
749
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,520
which I know people don't think that's a
thing, but it is a thing, and I did
750
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,700
that. Wrestling was never in the cards
for me. I didn't even know what
751
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:52,700
was.
752
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,740
Ron and Don Harris, they're two twins
who actually got me started.
753
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,260
A buddy of mine owned a gym in Orlando.
754
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,300
Ron and Don Harris came in there one
day, like, hey, what are you guys doing?
755
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,100
How have you been? What's going on? And
they go, we're wrestling. And I go,
756
00:49:08,260 --> 00:49:09,260
you're what?
757
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:14,480
So I finally gave in and went, okay, let
me give this a shot. Let me try and see
758
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:15,480
what this is all about.
759
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,720
So the early part of 92, went and had a
tryout with WWE.
760
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:24,280
Vince looks. He goes, hey, we'd like to
offer you the contract.
761
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,940
We'd like you to look it over. So I
looked at Vince and said, hey, I have a
762
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:31,140
Can I just do this on the weekend? He
literally laughs.
763
00:49:31,500 --> 00:49:32,840
The old Vince laughs.
764
00:49:34,020 --> 00:49:38,920
The Vince laughs and goes, no, I think
you'll be all right.
765
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:44,730
Hey, I'm Bart, and this here's Billy.
766
00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:52,570
If you watch Monday Night Raw in the mid
-90s, you will see a lot of Billy Gunn.
767
00:49:52,570 --> 00:49:57,570
The smoking guns were a significant part
of a relatively diminished WWE roster.
768
00:49:57,850 --> 00:50:02,570
But he's a member of a tag team of fake
brother cowboys.
769
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:07,610
When they tried to push him as a singles
competitor, it didn't work.
770
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:13,130
I was doing the rockabilly thing, which
was going absolutely nowhere.
771
00:50:14,510 --> 00:50:15,510
Nowhere.
772
00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:21,830
They were going to fire me. They were
going to fire Brian, Road Dogg. Then all
773
00:50:21,830 --> 00:50:25,330
of a sudden they said, hey, these guys
are going nowhere.
774
00:50:25,770 --> 00:50:28,410
Let's stick them together and let them
go nowhere together.
775
00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:32,530
And this, people, is where we form the
New Age Outlaws.
776
00:50:32,770 --> 00:50:33,970
Oh, you didn't know?
777
00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:43,280
The New Age Outlaws are a fascinating
wrestling story. They're one of those
778
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,460
examples of sometimes one plus one
equals three.
779
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Those guys have both been around the
block in different incarnations. But we
780
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,280
haven't found a role for them to fit in.
And it was Sean. I remember Sean coming
781
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,020
to us and going, Hey, man, you get these
guys out of these silly gimmicks. Put
782
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:01,320
them together as a tag team.
783
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:04,180
They'll be a hell of a team.
784
00:51:04,420 --> 00:51:05,760
I don't know who did it.
785
00:51:06,250 --> 00:51:10,330
But I'm glad somebody had mentioned it.
Why don't you shut your hole and allow
786
00:51:10,330 --> 00:51:14,610
me to do the announcement around here?
The best talents are national extensions
787
00:51:14,610 --> 00:51:15,610
of their own personality.
788
00:51:15,830 --> 00:51:19,710
You do not deserve this. The closer you
can be to being yourself in this
789
00:51:19,710 --> 00:51:23,990
environment, the better off you're going
to be. And those guys were spot on.
790
00:51:24,190 --> 00:51:27,430
The original badass, Billy Gunn.
791
00:51:28,350 --> 00:51:32,790
Billy was such a great athlete and such
a motivated competitor.
792
00:51:33,050 --> 00:51:35,450
One of the most competitive people I've
ever met.
793
00:51:37,819 --> 00:51:42,840
And then we get Brian Armstrong, Road
Dogg. We get to see his sense of humor.
794
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,080
I am not an ass.
795
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,520
Every time we would go out of the
curtain, look at me and go, oh my God,
796
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,560
lost. I don't know what to say in our
music play. And I just kick him out and
797
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,860
he'd just start rattling it off.
798
00:51:58,620 --> 00:52:04,240
Yeah, we were put together as a team.
And so they didn't have any time to come
799
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:05,240
up with the music.
800
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:09,550
So I just thought, well, man, who needs
music? Give me a microphone and I'll get
801
00:52:09,550 --> 00:52:10,550
us to the rain.
802
00:52:11,390 --> 00:52:13,570
Whoa, what a flight!
803
00:52:14,070 --> 00:52:19,050
When the road dog and Billy Gunn first
teamed up, there was a sort of ease in
804
00:52:19,050 --> 00:52:19,769
their shoulders.
805
00:52:19,770 --> 00:52:25,330
There was a feeling that this was cool
and right. It just felt more fun and
806
00:52:25,330 --> 00:52:27,630
interesting than just about everything
else on the screen.
807
00:52:28,070 --> 00:52:32,810
Sean and I, we liked both of them a lot.
They were both really good workers.
808
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:40,630
and kind of organically put this
relationship on TV and let them build.
809
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:45,870
the time comes, we'll pull them into the
group. We'll make a larger faction.
810
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:49,270
Eventually it would work out great
because once Sean was hurt and had to
811
00:52:49,450 --> 00:52:51,590
it gave me a giant shoe to drop.
812
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:57,250
It just gave life to something that was
probably dead at that point if that
813
00:52:57,250 --> 00:52:59,970
didn't happen. We got two words for you!
814
00:53:00,210 --> 00:53:01,410
They had it with that dish needed.
815
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,210
The seasoning it was waiting for.
816
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:07,150
I don't think a second version of DX
would have been successful whatsoever if
817
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:08,390
hadn't been for Road Dogg and Billy.
818
00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:13,330
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,
children of all ages, D -Generation X
819
00:53:13,330 --> 00:53:20,250
proudly brings to you its tag team
champions of the world, the Road
820
00:53:20,250 --> 00:53:23,350
Dogg Jesse James, the badass Billy Gunn.
821
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:32,340
I had chased my dream and caught it by
the tail, and I was living it.
822
00:53:36,100 --> 00:53:38,220
Oh, you didn't know?
823
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,300
Your ass better call somebody!
824
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:51,220
The second you hear the beginning of
their song, it's over. It was just three
825
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:57,020
notes. And the audience erupts. You
better call somebody.
826
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:03,480
Whenever you hear the DX music, people
lose their minds legit.
827
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:09,420
It's instantly recognizable, and it's
like a trumpet heralding the arrival of
828
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:10,420
major stars.
829
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,980
We got to work for you, suckers!
830
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:18,100
Let's get ready to suck it!
831
00:54:19,340 --> 00:54:21,380
The second version of DX.
832
00:54:22,060 --> 00:54:26,800
had no business being as vital as the
first version. And yet, with the Road
833
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,840
Dogg, with Billy Gunn, with X -Pac, and
with Triple H sort of reinventing
834
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:35,320
himself, in some ways, the
quintessential version of DX was the
835
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,820
it. I feel like DX had two different
versions. The first version was Sean and
836
00:54:40,820 --> 00:54:42,360
Hunter against authority.
837
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:47,200
The other version was the more hip.
They're cooler.
838
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:51,500
Everybody wants to have a DX on their
shirt. Everybody wants to say, suck it.
839
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:57,080
Everybody was invested in DX because you
never knew what you were going to get.
840
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:06,800
One of the most memorable things that DX
did was the
841
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:07,800
invasion.
842
00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:13,560
By the spring of 98, WCW had been
winning in the rating for 83 weeks. WWE
843
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:14,960
finally neck and neck.
844
00:55:15,820 --> 00:55:18,660
WCW, like, competing for viewers on a
Monday night, I guess, isn't enough
845
00:55:18,660 --> 00:55:22,960
because they decide to start running the
same towns as WWE was running at the
846
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,740
same time. If we were going into a
marketplace, they would try to go in
847
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:30,220
few weeks before us, put tickets on
sale, try to kill our business.
848
00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:36,500
I was on a creative call maybe a couple
of weeks earlier, and we were all just
849
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:39,780
bullshitting about what they were doing,
and, man, these guys are running the
850
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:41,220
scopes just down the street.
851
00:55:41,620 --> 00:55:44,180
A joke was made on that call about...
852
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:48,990
freaking just get a tank and roll it
down there, you know, and then that
853
00:55:48,990 --> 00:55:54,390
became a... But if we did something on
that... Attention!
854
00:55:55,770 --> 00:55:56,990
WCW, goodbye.
855
00:55:57,370 --> 00:55:59,250
You are done.
856
00:56:00,110 --> 00:56:03,190
You guys are going over.
857
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:07,370
You're going to drive a tank. You're
going to have a loudspeaker. You're
858
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:11,250
to try to get into the building. Then we
all looked at each other and went...
859
00:56:11,250 --> 00:56:12,270
Oh.
860
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:13,990
Hell yeah.
861
00:56:14,410 --> 00:56:19,830
Ladies and gentlemen, D -Generation X
spits in the face of WCW.
862
00:56:20,310 --> 00:56:24,870
When you do something like that, there's
major heat on you.
863
00:56:25,990 --> 00:56:29,570
There's like two buyers in the industry,
and you're burning your bridge with one
864
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:31,230
of them. This is D -Generation X.
865
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:35,150
They asked us, hey, are you okay with
doing that? Every one of us was like,
866
00:56:35,170 --> 00:56:36,170
absolutely.
867
00:56:44,300 --> 00:56:49,000
We start banging on the door. Hey, Eric
Bischoff, open the door. We just want to
868
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:49,759
say hello.
869
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:56,580
Now you look back, you go, how dumb was
it not to open
870
00:56:56,580 --> 00:57:01,080
the door? You could have had the hottest
thing at the time on your show, for
871
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:02,080
God's sakes.
872
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:05,900
Pisses me off.
873
00:57:07,500 --> 00:57:09,280
Just pisses me off.
874
00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,200
Because had I known.
875
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:16,920
Had I been aware in the moment, because
I was doing live television, I was in
876
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,500
the freaking ring with a microphone in
my hand.
877
00:57:19,820 --> 00:57:25,380
Had I had the time to process this and
react quickly enough, I would have told
878
00:57:25,380 --> 00:57:26,900
them to open the doors and let them in.
879
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,140
We're going to have the greatest
television show of all time.
880
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,120
It would have been awesome.
881
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,680
I just didn't get that opportunity.
882
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,060
It was beyond a holy that we would do
something like that.
883
00:57:40,460 --> 00:57:42,380
And it couldn't have worked out any
better for us.
884
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:51,460
If soon as we went and knocked on WCW's
door, our ratings
885
00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:54,660
overtook WCW, and we never looked back.
886
00:57:54,960 --> 00:58:01,180
The invasion really sounded the alarm
that something special was taking place.
887
00:58:01,660 --> 00:58:06,440
In the mid-'90s, when everything was
exploding, it was like the Beatles, no
888
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,440
matter where they went.
889
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:13,000
You had the New Age Outlaws, megastars.
You had X -Pac, megastar. China,
890
00:58:13,140 --> 00:58:18,000
megastar. And you had Hunter, and he sat
on top of the heap.
891
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,480
We were just happy to come to work. We
were happy to hang out with each other.
892
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,080
And we had China.
893
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,640
She was the piece of the puzzle that
stuck it all together.
894
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:32,820
China was sort of the glue, I think, in
the group. She was legit, like the magic
895
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:34,020
ingredient of that whole thing.
896
00:58:34,410 --> 00:58:37,750
If anybody's going to initiate a DX
split, it's going to be me.
897
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:45,110
What I remember most about DX in terms
of regular life, it's the chop. I mean,
898
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:46,130
come on.
899
00:58:46,310 --> 00:58:51,310
There's just this bad boy edge to it
that was so much fun.
900
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:55,510
Now the crotch chop is just everywhere.
A lot of people would see people doing
901
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:58,690
the crotch chop different places and not
have any idea where it came from. It
902
00:58:58,690 --> 00:59:00,490
was just part of culture.
903
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,460
If you're from my generation, you've
seen so many kids go across the
904
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:11,440
stage doing a crotch chop. Doing the
suck it probably caused more suspensions
905
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,940
than any other thing, like, in the
history of school in America. I'm at
906
00:59:15,940 --> 00:59:22,220
Disneyland in 1999, and my wife says,
Mick, this sounds crazy, but I believe
907
00:59:22,220 --> 00:59:26,720
Pooh Bear is trying to say something to
you. And I look over, and Pooh Bear
908
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,740
gives me the, Pooh Bear, Pooh Bear's
doing the crotch chop.
909
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,948
Suck it!
910
00:59:31,950 --> 00:59:35,410
People who aren't wrestling fans, even
they knew D -Generation X.
911
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:44,570
Once you become somebody in this
industry, everybody wants a piece. Great
912
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:49,390
problem to have, but you don't realize
how much sacrifice you have to make to
913
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:50,770
carry on that way.
914
00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:55,070
It was just everywhere you went, man.
Like, grown -ass adults couldn't help
915
00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:57,930
themselves. Like, they would just say, I
don't care if you're with your family.
916
00:59:58,070 --> 01:00:00,610
Can I have a picture or sign this for
me?
917
01:00:01,180 --> 01:00:05,440
You got to understand something. If you
came out of the attitude era, you were a
918
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,440
rock star.
919
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,120
That's intoxicating to a lot of people.
920
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:14,320
I got caught up. I got lost in the
limelight. And, you know, as I got more
921
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,460
successful, it got more out of hand and
out of hand. And I had enough money to
922
01:00:18,460 --> 01:00:22,540
buy anything I wanted. And so that was a
curse, not a blessing.
923
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,560
We were unfireable.
924
01:00:24,820 --> 01:00:29,980
So I pushed the limits of everything as
far as I possibly could because I was
925
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:35,900
unfireable. And when that happens, then
you fall into a dark spot.
926
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:42,540
I got caught up in it. I started buying
into the rock star lifestyle, the script
927
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:46,380
stuff and the drugs, and then it caught
up with me and things got really bad.
928
01:00:46,620 --> 01:00:47,860
I mean, really bad.
929
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,700
You're young, making a lot of money.
930
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:53,900
surrounded by people that just want to
be around you.
931
01:00:54,740 --> 01:01:01,500
And I think that out of everyone in DX,
the one that hit hardest at the time was
932
01:01:01,500 --> 01:01:02,500
probably Brian James.
933
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,540
My drinking and drugging had gotten bad,
and I was separated from my wife for a
934
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:12,720
little while, and I couldn't see my
kids, and I had wrecked a couple of cars
935
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,180
pills. At one point, I was messed up in
a hotel lobby.
936
01:01:18,810 --> 01:01:22,630
Bruce Prichard kind of walked up on me
and caught me there, all screwed up, and
937
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:26,670
I kind of just broke down and told him
everything that was going on in my life.
938
01:01:27,010 --> 01:01:32,510
He mentioned I should go home. My
downward spiral didn't stop there.
939
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:33,970
It continued.
940
01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:36,990
I thought that was my rock bottom. I had
a little further to fall.
941
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,560
You know, I'm hanging out with DX. Yeah,
we're doing a lot of fun stuff, having
942
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,340
a good time, but what am I doing?
943
01:01:52,860 --> 01:01:54,760
Is it getting me any closer to where I
want to be?
944
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:57,420
Nobody wants to see me fight Steve
Austin for the belt.
945
01:01:58,260 --> 01:02:02,960
We're a bunch of good guys people like
because I'm a fan favorite and he's a
946
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,760
favorite. Nobody wants to see us go at
it, so they're not going to push that.
947
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,200
So, you know, you've got to take things
in your own hands.
948
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,700
Hunter always wanted to be the guy.
949
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,280
Everyone should want to have that
desire.
950
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:21,220
Anybody that gets in this business that
doesn't want to be the top dog, I don't
951
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:22,220
know why you're in the business.
952
01:02:22,780 --> 01:02:25,840
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready?
953
01:02:27,700 --> 01:02:32,840
If you look at that sweep through the
Attitude Era, Austin is white hot.
954
01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:35,140
Rock,
955
01:02:36,540 --> 01:02:38,500
they put him in the nation of
domination.
956
01:02:38,820 --> 01:02:40,300
I take over DX.
957
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:45,180
As a group, we're sort of opposed to
each other. We're fighting over the
958
01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:46,180
Intercontinental title.
959
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:48,420
Brock branches out of the nation.
960
01:02:48,820 --> 01:02:52,920
DX continues to move on, but I'm
watching this environment and saying to
961
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:54,820
we need a Darth Vader here.
962
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,360
So I go to Vince and pitch, DX needs to
come to an end. That did not sit well
963
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:02,800
with the rest of DX.
964
01:03:03,460 --> 01:03:08,300
Do we all want it to happen? No, because
we're all perfectly happy in the
965
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:09,500
positions that we're at.
966
01:03:10,570 --> 01:03:15,010
We were getting six -figure quarterly
merchandising checks, man. We were all
967
01:03:15,010 --> 01:03:19,210
like, hey, man, we don't want to quit
this. Go turn heel or whatever, but
968
01:03:19,210 --> 01:03:20,210
affect our money.
969
01:03:21,030 --> 01:03:22,550
Here comes Triple H!
970
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:24,530
Wait a minute! Wait a minute!
971
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:26,210
No! No!
972
01:03:27,690 --> 01:03:31,070
Triple H has turned his back on X -Pac!
973
01:03:31,590 --> 01:03:35,010
Ambition in this business is a dangerous
thing.
974
01:03:35,250 --> 01:03:38,510
Triple H laid out X -Pac! I've turned my
back on my friends.
975
01:03:39,420 --> 01:03:41,060
My friends have turned their backs on
me.
976
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:47,060
We all do it because we all have one
goal in mind, and that's to be the best
977
01:03:47,060 --> 01:03:48,060
this business.
978
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,220
DX, as we know it, is dead.
979
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:57,780
And Triple H now would go on to become,
honestly, one of the best bad guys of
980
01:03:57,780 --> 01:03:58,598
all time.
981
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:01,180
I don't need anybody else, JR.
982
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,280
This is about me. The villains are the
straws that serve the drink in pro
983
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,640
wrestling. They're the number one thing
you've got to have.
984
01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:12,090
Four years ago, Madison Square Garden, I
walked to the ring to say goodbye to my
985
01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:14,970
friend, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Shawn
Michaels.
986
01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:17,130
Who got punished for that, JR?
987
01:04:17,630 --> 01:04:23,190
Me. You can smoke and mirror a top baby
face, a top hero, to some degree.
988
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:26,410
But the villains, well, people got to
feel that villain.
989
01:04:26,790 --> 01:04:31,890
It's about me getting what I deserve,
and that is becoming the WWF champion.
990
01:04:32,330 --> 01:04:37,110
You guys talk about being students of
the game. I am the f***ing game, JR.
991
01:04:38,350 --> 01:04:43,730
We needed a great heel. We needed a
great heat -getting heel. Hunter was
992
01:04:43,730 --> 01:04:45,910
forward to it. He relished that
opportunity.
993
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:50,990
There's a moment when you win that title
for the first time where it's all real.
994
01:04:52,210 --> 01:04:55,770
If you're a kid dreaming about football,
you win the Super Bowl. If you're a kid
995
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:59,110
dreaming about being in the WWE, you're
winning the WWE title.
996
01:05:00,010 --> 01:05:04,350
It means something. It means that the
company is putting its faith behind you.
997
01:05:04,590 --> 01:05:05,590
It was inevitable.
998
01:05:05,710 --> 01:05:07,770
Hunter's got the brightest future for
anybody in the group.
999
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,680
He's the guy you want to invest in.
1000
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:16,760
Once you have Triple H kind of emerge
into the championship picture, without
1001
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,440
that leadership, I don't think that you
have a DX.
1002
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:22,840
It just kind of splintered off.
1003
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:30,380
It's really wild to think about how long
or short the real run
1004
01:05:30,380 --> 01:05:32,100
of DX at the top was.
1005
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:35,740
The whole thing was essentially less
than two years.
1006
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:38,330
You talk about a meteoric rise.
1007
01:05:38,690 --> 01:05:44,950
I mean, DX shows up, instantly has their
presence felt, affects pop culture, has
1008
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:48,690
the whole world crotch -chopping, and by
the time you blink, you went from being
1009
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:50,890
14 to 16 years old. It's over.
1010
01:05:53,050 --> 01:05:58,390
I think everyone wants to spread their
wings and show that they're capable of
1011
01:05:58,390 --> 01:06:01,490
more. Please welcome the one and only
Chyna.
1012
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,780
Chyna comes out of the DX situation and
is a bona fide star.
1013
01:06:06,700 --> 01:06:12,820
She was the most groundbreaking thing
they had at that time. She could be in
1014
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:16,040
ring wrestling one minute and then do
the cover of Playboy the next.
1015
01:06:28,430 --> 01:06:33,410
I mean, she was larger than life in like
a superhero sort of way. Her impact to
1016
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:37,370
a generation of wrestling fans,
especially female wrestling fans, is
1017
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:38,470
impossible to describe.
1018
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:44,470
Jeff Jarrett wrestles Chyna.
1019
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:48,320
In this housekeeping match... Will she
be the first woman to wear
1020
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:49,420
intercontinental gold?
1021
01:06:49,740 --> 01:06:54,660
All of these antiquated items were meant
to indicate that a woman should remain
1022
01:06:54,660 --> 01:06:59,200
in the household and cleaning, and China
was obviously the antithesis of all of
1023
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,380
that. And I'm watching it with my mom
and my grandmother.
1024
01:07:03,580 --> 01:07:07,640
Three generations of women, and it
really did resonate with us.
1025
01:07:17,770 --> 01:07:22,010
Joanie thought, based on what she had
done for the company, that she wanted to
1026
01:07:22,010 --> 01:07:25,490
be paid on a par with the top male
superstars.
1027
01:07:26,110 --> 01:07:30,450
I remember one day she came to my office
and said, I know I deserve to make as
1028
01:07:30,450 --> 01:07:31,450
much as Stone Cold.
1029
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:32,890
Excuse me?
1030
01:07:33,550 --> 01:07:36,370
She wanted to be the highest paid talent
on the roster.
1031
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:41,690
She, I think, believed that she was
going to be the biggest star in
1032
01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:45,460
and that She didn't need this place
anymore, so she demanded stuff that
1033
01:07:45,460 --> 01:07:48,300
was like, I just can't even get close to
any of that.
1034
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:52,860
I get the fact that you're going to have
confidence in yourself in such a crazy
1035
01:07:52,860 --> 01:07:53,860
-ass business.
1036
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,040
She was the first woman that I ever met.
She might have close to 50 years in the
1037
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,700
business to make a million a year.
1038
01:08:00,420 --> 01:08:05,940
But I could not meet her contractual
demands, and they were demands to
1039
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:06,940
her from leaving.
1040
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,700
The attitude era was by far the craziest
time in my life.
1041
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:23,600
When you're in the midst of it, it's
like you're in a drug -addled violent
1042
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,840
tornado that's just carried you along.
1043
01:08:28,100 --> 01:08:32,840
When I got off the drugs, I started
looking inward. I started working on
1044
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,420
and trying to figure out why I was the
way I was.
1045
01:08:36,740 --> 01:08:39,840
It was the first time I realized, like,
I have a choice in this.
1046
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,560
I learned to control me and dig down
deep and find serenity, a peace.
1047
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:51,779
I can take a deep breath and walk around
here and not have a worry in the world.
1048
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,439
It's what life's all about.
1049
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:02,319
After Triple H leaves DX, DX breaks up.
Triple H's star continues to rise and
1050
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:07,020
rise and rise. Please welcome the one,
we hope the only, Triple H. And the same
1051
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:08,760
is definitely not true for everybody
else.
1052
01:09:09,020 --> 01:09:12,670
Xbox. Well, he teamed up with Kane for a
while, and then he was in this group
1053
01:09:12,670 --> 01:09:14,550
called the X Factor. That trajectory was
going down.
1054
01:09:15,310 --> 01:09:16,370
Road Dogg got released.
1055
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:18,310
I think China got released.
1056
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:20,270
Billy Gunn, you know, they tried.
1057
01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:21,670
They gave him the King of the Ring.
1058
01:09:24,149 --> 01:09:28,250
I remember he feuded with The Rock for
like a hot second. It really seemed like
1059
01:09:28,250 --> 01:09:29,430
they were going to make something of
him.
1060
01:09:31,410 --> 01:09:36,470
For a crew that was so, so popular
together, you know, it's sad to watch
1061
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:37,470
trajectory.
1062
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:40,350
And eventually Triple H is just sort of
the last man standing.
1063
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:45,630
I get hurt in a match with the Dudleys.
1064
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:51,210
I put Bub on a table and jump higher
than I've ever jumped before in my life.
1065
01:09:52,410 --> 01:09:59,230
I caught the table and it slung me
sideways. And when it did, my
1066
01:09:59,230 --> 01:10:02,790
elbow hit and blew my entire shoulder in
half.
1067
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:05,550
By the time 04 comes around.
1068
01:10:06,380 --> 01:10:10,440
On my birthday, I get a phone call that
says I'm no longer needed.
1069
01:10:14,860 --> 01:10:20,960
So I'd been fired for a couple of months
now, and then I heard WCW was coming to
1070
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,340
Panama City. And I thought, oh, well,
I'll just go down there, see some old
1071
01:10:25,340 --> 01:10:28,000
friends, and maybe put my name in the
hat, you know?
1072
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,020
Shane McMahon is on Nitro!
1073
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:38,950
It's the night that Shane McMahon shows
up and they buy WCW.
1074
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:40,290
That's right.
1075
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:43,270
I own WCW.
1076
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:45,310
There went my plans.
1077
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:50,290
And so I got drunk and got in a fight at
a bar and went to jail in Panama City.
1078
01:10:52,610 --> 01:10:54,470
I had an incident at the airport.
1079
01:10:54,690 --> 01:10:56,190
I was taking muscle relaxers.
1080
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:58,550
They hit me. They hit me hard.
1081
01:10:59,490 --> 01:11:02,950
I get home, and I get a call from JR,
and he's like, yeah, Vince is hot. He
1082
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:03,950
wants you to go to rehab.
1083
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:05,610
I'm like, no.
1084
01:11:06,370 --> 01:11:07,730
I didn't fail a drug test.
1085
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:10,790
I was fully transparent with you guys.
1086
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:12,650
I said, son, no, I think I quit.
1087
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:15,890
And that was it.
1088
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:21,790
Yeah, the start of over a decade of
darkness.
1089
01:11:24,940 --> 01:11:31,280
We all have our moments of when things
went bad. Mine more or less went bad
1090
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,440
after I'd left the company.
1091
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:42,940
We all have our demons.
1092
01:11:46,030 --> 01:11:51,390
But luckily for me, I'd done enough
stuff and had enough value in my name
1093
01:11:51,390 --> 01:11:56,090
could go do the indie stuff, and then I
went to another company for a while, and
1094
01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:58,490
then things just went screaming
downhill.
1095
01:11:59,430 --> 01:12:04,590
Billy and I joined forces in TNA to be a
tag team called the Voodoo Ken Mafia,
1096
01:12:04,650 --> 01:12:07,670
which stands for VKM. Screw you, Ben!
1097
01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:09,070
Screw you, Ben!
1098
01:12:09,290 --> 01:12:10,390
Screw you, Ben!
1099
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:14,310
I'm completely off the rails, me and
Brian, and we just talk.
1100
01:12:14,590 --> 01:12:18,750
crap about everybody trying to bury
everybody people come up to me and go my
1101
01:12:18,750 --> 01:12:21,710
did you see the interview brian and
billy did they buried you or whatever
1102
01:12:21,710 --> 01:12:25,930
i'm like dude the guys they're on drugs
every week you are chopping at the very
1103
01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:32,010
foundation of the dynasty of the legacy
that we were damn sure a major part of
1104
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:38,570
it was just a complete disaster no
angles no spots no finish
1105
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:39,690
just men
1106
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,580
Yeah, I just found myself in a really
bad spot.
1107
01:12:50,860 --> 01:12:56,100
Like on my floor, my house wrecked,
everybody gone.
1108
01:12:56,500 --> 01:13:00,580
Literally crashed two cars. And I'm not
trying to make this sound bad. I'm just
1109
01:13:00,580 --> 01:13:04,140
saying what happens. My wife and
everybody was over it. They didn't want
1110
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:05,840
phone call. I don't want that phone
call.
1111
01:13:06,260 --> 01:13:09,700
Sitting there going, your husband died
because he took a bunch of stuff and ran
1112
01:13:09,700 --> 01:13:10,659
into something.
1113
01:13:10,660 --> 01:13:12,060
Look, I was 42 years old.
1114
01:13:12,540 --> 01:13:13,700
I'm a father of three.
1115
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,920
I'm doing these indie shows.
1116
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:23,800
where I'm getting $300 a night, and it
didn't matter because if I could get
1117
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:28,260
drugs while I was there, too, awesome.
But it had just gotten where my life was
1118
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:32,400
miserable, where literally contemplating
suicide.
1119
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,920
Me and my brother were driving back from
Alabama from a little town, and I was
1120
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:37,699
screwed up.
1121
01:13:37,700 --> 01:13:42,460
And, like, I was crying, and he was
like, you know, you don't have to live
1122
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:43,460
this.
1123
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:48,920
Got caught up. Ended up doing math and,
like, It might not kill you like, you
1124
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,660
know, shooting heroin or something, but
it robs you of your soul.
1125
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,360
You're just like a walking zombie, man.
1126
01:13:57,700 --> 01:13:59,900
Kid and I wouldn't talk for a long
period of time.
1127
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:03,860
Every now and then we'd touch base, and
it was usually miserable.
1128
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:07,480
Eventually I ended up down in Mexico,
and I hung myself.
1129
01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:11,900
I was in a coma for three days there in
Mexico City.
1130
01:14:14,440 --> 01:14:17,500
The one thing I've learned in the
process is you can't help somebody until
1131
01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:18,500
want to help themselves.
1132
01:14:18,540 --> 01:14:22,060
Like there's just no, you just can't.
1133
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,900
As much as you try, as much as it breaks
your heart, you can't make it happen.
1134
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:31,100
It's like we do. Like Kevin Nash was, he
flew down there to pick me up and
1135
01:14:31,100 --> 01:14:33,180
brought me to my third and final rehab.
1136
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:38,720
I went from Mexico to Orlando and never
went back to Mexico again. I left all my
1137
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:43,340
in Mexico and never came back.
1138
01:14:45,580 --> 01:14:49,560
The only person that could fix what was
going on with me was me. You do
1139
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,040
something about it or you die.
1140
01:14:51,900 --> 01:14:58,760
Like the later part of 2011, 2012, I'd
go to rehab and clean up and
1141
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,680
get everything straight in my life. And
then it took some work. And then my wife
1142
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,660
came back. My kids came back. My dogs
came back. My job came back.
1143
01:15:06,940 --> 01:15:08,160
Everything came back.
1144
01:15:08,650 --> 01:15:09,770
I got clean and sober.
1145
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:13,810
I had to go back and make some amends. I
had to go back and right some wrongs,
1146
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:17,490
or try to anyway, and humbly ask them to
forgive me.
1147
01:15:17,730 --> 01:15:21,850
Hunter went to Vince three different
times, and Vince said no twice.
1148
01:15:22,090 --> 01:15:27,030
And he literally the third time said,
he's a drug addict, Hunter.
1149
01:15:27,370 --> 01:15:29,750
When he screws up, it's your ass.
1150
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:34,210
That's what he told Hunter. And so
Hunter gave me an opportunity after I'd
1151
01:15:34,210 --> 01:15:35,210
sober about a year.
1152
01:15:35,580 --> 01:15:38,260
Then I became lead writer of SmackDown
for three or four years.
1153
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,380
Hunter still believed in me, and for
that I'm forever grateful.
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