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Put the camera on my man. Put the camera
on Luger!
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We recognize Lex Luger, the total
package, as the greatest wrestling
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to ever come along.
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Guy looks like a million dollars. I
mean, really, one of the top five
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Yeah,
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he was full of himself and he had every
right to be.
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I've won every major title and I've
looked better than everyone else doing
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every day of my life!
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He came off as arrogant sometimes.
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The most egotistical, narcissistic man
this sport has ever created.
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Lex didn't like being around people.
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We shouldn't be getting this stuff on
camera.
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I don't know if this is the guy.
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He built his entire career on his
presence and his athletic look.
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He needs to be in Lex Luger.
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And he went through hell.
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Self -imposed hell.
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Lawrence Fole, better known as Lex
Luger, accused of possessing and selling
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drugs.
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I really wasn't thinking of others. I
was thinking more of just myself.
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Me, myself, and I.
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I'm scared of death.
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Deaths. I was in with drugs and alcohol
to be...
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Sitting here in front of this camera
talking to you is just an absolute
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of God.
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I grew up in Buffalo, New York, blue
-collar town, immigrant town.
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City of good neighbors.
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People that are very genuine, authentic.
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I just loved it.
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My family was musically orientated,
academically and musically orientated.
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But I just loved sports.
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When I got to high school age, I kind of
zeroed in on basketball.
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I started lifting weights.
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My whole family was like, what happened
to Larry?
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The way my body developed, that probably
if I had a future beyond high school in
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a sport, it was definitely going to be
football.
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My dad didn't really see my vision for
where I was going to go in sports
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potentially, so he thought it was more
of a wasted effort because he was a
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virtuoso pianist.
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He would not sign my permission slip to
play football.
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My freshman year in high school is when
I started playing football, and I forged
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his name.
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He didn't even know I was playing
football at the time.
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He saw himself as a running back. He was
tall and lean.
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He had great speed, good size.
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So I said to him, you know, Larry, you
really could be a much better help with
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us playing linemen.
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And he goes, no, no. He says, I'm a
running back. I said, I'll give you a
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I said, you could be a running back
until you fumble.
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Well, he fumbled the first practice.
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So I sent him to the line coach.
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Jim Burt, who had a couple of Super Bowl
rings in his career, and Craig Wolfley,
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who played 13 years for Steelers, were
teammates of mine.
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Wolfley and Burt and myself were able to
train with a world champion
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powerlifter. His name was Don Reinhardt.
World's strongest man, Don Reinhardt.
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There is a powerhouse.
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It was built like a, you know what, just
a phenomenal physique.
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And a true athlete.
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I was kind of awestruck.
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He came across as a bit arrogant, and I
guess that's not even surprising.
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We're talking about a high school
athlete who had this kind of an amazing
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was a fantastic athlete.
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I always had high expectations for
myself. People always said, I never
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confidence, that's for sure.
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He kind of had that swagger about him,
you know? That was his confidence in
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himself.
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He was an enigma. He was relatively
quiet, very hardworking.
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But he also was more me than we.
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I believe there's no I in the word team,
and he sometimes was the I.
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Let's go!
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I went to Penn State my freshman year
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because it was nearby.
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I met my ex -wife Peggy freshman year in
study hall.
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She was, as Larry, very disciplined into
the nutrition part of going to the gym
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and was a very fine athlete. She used to
run track at Penn State.
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But after my freshman year and spending
the winter in State College, after
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growing up in Buffalo, I transferred to
Miami after my freshman year to Sunshine
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U, we called it back then.
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He sat at the bench as a freshman.
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He said, either play me or cut me.
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So, of course, Paterno cut him.
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Larry Pohl was a member of that Penn
State team. Now he's a Miami Hurricane
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player. The offensive lineman
transferred to Miami this summer and is
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redshirting this season. He won't be
able to play Saturday, but he's provided
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the coaching staff and squad members
some insights about Penn State.
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I played offensive line, Ben. They've
asked me how they run some of their
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which I pretty much know.
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We actually played against each other in
college.
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He at the University of Miami.
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myself at Florida State University.
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He had good mobility.
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He had the size.
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He had the smarts. He had the strength.
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You really had to be on your A game when
you were playing against them.
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I see the confidence.
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I see, like, in practice, the
atmosphere.
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The more you win, the more confidence
you get.
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I had a great time while I was there.
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Went to the beach and got in a couple
fights.
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We did a little damage to our on -campus
apartment when a party got.
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Kind of carried away.
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Only lasted about a year and a half
there.
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I got suspended.
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I dropped out of school.
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I wasn't old enough to play in the NFL.
I ended up signing with the Canadian
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football.
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66, Larry Full.
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They say he may be the strongest man in
the league. He was a young man.
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And so there was a lot of growing and
experience that he had to gain.
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Having to mature, having to learn to
become more coachable. David Green
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But it's recovered by Montreal's Larry
Poole.
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I ended up playing there almost three
seasons.
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When he was in the midst of a contract
negotiation, he asked if I would act as
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his agent. He said, Tom, I know what I
need. I know what I want. I just need
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somebody who I can trust.
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He then aged up to become eligible for
the NFL, which was kind of the dream.
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Ended up coming down and signing with
Green Bay.
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Offensive line, it's not the type of
position where you're looking for
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headlines. It's personal satisfaction
and knowing that your teammates know
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whether you're doing the job or not. And
there is an opportunity here, and it
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always comes down to how well you play.
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Well, when they saw him, they couldn't
believe it. I mean, here's a guy that's,
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I don't know, roughly 6 '4", 272 pounds,
with a 4 '6", 40 at that size, a
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32 -inch vertical jump. I mean, he had
stats.
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that they couldn't believe.
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His physical credentials made the
coaching staff sit up and take notice.
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But Fole spent the season on the injured
reserve list with a groin injury.
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They were pretty high on me, but I was
injury prone when I was there, which
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stuff happens sometimes.
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And I don't know if my attitude was the
best.
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He let his ego get in his way. He wasn't
ready for the discipline that is
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required.
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to be successful at that level.
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I was definitely looking to make another
move.
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I actually went to Barchard's office and
asked him if I could be relieved.
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To be honest with you, I was really
looking to leave Green Bay and go to the
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USFL because that was down in Tampa.
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They had banded balls. Coach Steve
Spurrier, the old ball coach, said I
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buying a house down there and got the
opportunity to play down there.
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I never was quite happy where I was at.
I always thought there had to be
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something more. So that was even kind of
manifesting itself and starting back
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then.
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Well, the USFL was folding.
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And in Memphis, when I played football
there for the Memphis Showboats, that
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a big wrestling town, Jerry, the King
Laurel.
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Everywhere I went around that town,
because of my physique, everybody's
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are you a pro wrestler? And I'm like,
man, what is it with this town?
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I go, I'm a football player.
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And some of the guys said, you should do
that.
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Football played a good financial head
start for me, but I was looking for
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opportunities. The competitive aspects
of professional wrestling were very
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appealing to me, the one -on -one
aspect.
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And being sort of the free spirit
personnel that I was, wrestling was very
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attractive in that sense also.
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I looked into it in the offseason.
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played for Tampa, had bought a home
there.
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I was married at that point, my wife
Peggy, and I ended up walking in the
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championship wrestling in Florida, and I
walked into the office, and they told
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me to go talk to Hiro Matsuda.
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They came from Japan, a judo champion,
and he made it in pole wrestling, and it
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did well for his family. He had a real
respect for the wrestling business, and
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he taught that to me.
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He was really dialed in on doing
flexibility training and a lot of the
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things outside, just going to the gym.
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When you are trained by Matsuda, you are
trained thoroughly. He trains these
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people until they can't walk, until they
can't stand up.
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Turn the air conditioning off until
there's a puddle of sweat, and he did
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everything with you.
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It was brutal, and I absolutely loved
it.
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I watched him go through the routine
with Matsuda's workouts.
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He was a kink -nest guy.
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I finished his requirements, as he
called them, to get the privilege of
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in the ring within about a couple
months, which was like almost record
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him.
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I never even looked into getting back in
the NFL or after UCF up older because
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my pro wrestling career began in the
offseason.
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My training, and I ended up making my
debut.
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This is Championship Wrestling from
Florida.
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And for the next hour, I'll guarantee
you we've got a lot of excitement
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upcoming.
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Right before my first time out on TV, I
was sitting in the wrestling office,
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Championship Wrestling of Florida.
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They go, well, what's your name? I go, I
don't have a wrestling name.
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They're thinking, oh my gosh, they're
going to send me out to TV in like an
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hour. So they all looked at each other,
what do we call him? What do we call
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him? I kind of like raised my hand, like
I got a name.
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Favorite TV show was number one on
television back then was Tom Selleck and
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Magnum P .I.
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Everybody just called him Magnum. Well,
if he can be called Magnum, I was trying
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to be creative.
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I should be called Luger, which is a
German firearm.
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Put the camera on my man. Put the camera
on Luger!
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My man, Gordon, is here today.
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You got a first name? I go, well, yeah,
Lex.
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Lex Luthor was a villain in the comic
book, so I said...
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Lex Luger.
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Here's Lex Luger.
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I was excited about the opportunity in
wrestling.
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Thought it might be a lot of fun.
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And it kind of worked out pretty good.
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Now we're going to see Luger for his
first time here on Championship
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Lex Luger, I managed him in his very
first match.
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He was horrible.
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Horrible.
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pretty difficult because he was new and
he had his own mind about him.
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But I guess most guys were until they
learned the trade.
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My debut was my first time I'd ever been
to a live pro wrestling match.
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That's how little I knew about it.
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I'm like, holy smoke, that's Larry.
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He's the one that kind of led me into
trying to start a career in professional
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wrestling. And I'm forever grateful to
him.
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But he came in and kind of changed the
stereotype of what people perceive
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professional wrestlers to look like.
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Lex Luger was one of the most physically
impressive guys to get in the wrestling
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business in the 80s.
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The problem was he had never been a
wrestling fan and didn't know anything
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it. But he had amazing genetics and
incredible physique.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger, who won every
physique contest in the world, I don't
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think he has anything on the physique of
the Luger here.
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So he was immediately pushed to the top.
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Presently the Southern Heavyweight
Champion and the Florida Television
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here he is, Lex Luger.
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To win the big title down there was,
like, pretty incredible.
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I only had just a few matches under my
belt. I didn't even know enough about
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wrestling to appreciate the opportunity.
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I just started my wrestling career when
we had Brian on January 1st in 1986.
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Our family life at home was good, and my
career took off like a rocket ship down
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there. It was incredible.
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Now you see the
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NWA champion, Flair, driven up to the
front of the Spartan Sports Center.
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I'm the traveling world champion.
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And as a traveling world champion, I
worked different territories.
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One of the territories was the Florida
Territory.
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I flew in so they'd say, we've got a kid
here who just started.
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We want you to wrestle him for an hour.
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Ever from all over the country, I just
wanted to see this match between me and
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Ric Flair.
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It's billed as the present champion, as
good champion is, versus the future
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champion. First time I laid eyes on Ric,
he pulled up with that custom suit and
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the sunglasses and the...
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gold and the Rolex watch and diamonds. I
was real nervous, but man, I was all
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in, man. I was, man, I want to be like
him. He was styling and profiling. At
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that stage of my life, who wouldn't want
to be like Rick?
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I met him. I was like, wow.
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You're a great, great young wrestler.
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This guy looks like a million dollars. I
mean, one of the top five physiques in
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all the time I've been in the business.
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60 minutes left. You'll see these men
compete.
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I said, listen to the champ.
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That's all his job was.
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Flair was a veteran and Luger was a
rookie.
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Luger bringing him up, pressing him over
his head.
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A full slam once again on the champion
by the challenger, Lex Luger. And Lex
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Luger can feel it.
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And Flair made him look like a million
dollars.
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He's making that to be tossed.
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Tremendous strike with Lex Luger.
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And, uh...
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I was so mad.
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It wasn't his fault at all, but an hour
when you're green and can't do anything,
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it just was a long night.
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It is a draw, and Ric Flair retains the
World Heavyweight Championship.
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Learning on the fly and learning how to
work are two different things.
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But next time I get to Crockett, which
is my home territory, I told Jimmy, I
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said, you ought to see this kid in
Tampa, man. He's built, phenomenal,
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football, legit athlete.
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Back in the 80s, Jim Crockett promotions
grew to a national
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power.
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We were bringing in young talent that we
thought had yet matched it up with some
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of the old guys so that young guys could
learn.
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Luger, he's got a great body. He's got
great potential.
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He just needs some experience.
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Jimmy said, well, he said, the horseman
thing is red hot. We are!
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We're talking about the cream of the
crop, the most successful group of
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wrestlers anywhere in the world.
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The four horsemen, Flair, Tully, Arn,
Ole, and myself.
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If there was one person whose
personality didn't seem to fit in with
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else's, it probably would have been Ole.
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If we were going to spin somebody off,
that Ole would have been the one to spin
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off. And we basically kicked him out.
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We could bring Lex in and protect him by
putting him in among a group that's
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going to help speed up the process and
take some of the pressure off of him.
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that's what happened.
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Mr. Lex Luger is officially the fourth
most.
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Oh, here's a fresh guy coming in.
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God, he does look good, and he's a new
face.
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Because you see, this right here is the
finest.
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physical specimen in professional sports
today.
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And we could take and we could help
bring him along. And he's receptive
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he realizes that he's stepping into an
enviable situation that other guys would
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die for. He was the right place at the
right time.
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I knew about the Four Horsemen, but I
didn't realize how big a group they
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What's going on in this sport?
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My associations with them and the rub we
called, I got off all those guys that
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skyrocketed my career and really
launched it.
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Lex Luger, my kind of man.
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He styles, he profiles, and most of all,
he likes this.
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I wanted to really pattern myself after
Nate. I asked him if I could wear one of
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those robes.
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He let me go to his robe girl. She made
me a glittery robe.
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There he is.
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I was definitely a different lifestyle.
Flying in private jets or first class
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and staying at nice hotels.
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Went to the gym together. We hung out
together and socialized and had beers
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had fun.
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He had a Rolex for two weeks. He was a
horse, I think.
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And he went and bought the Mercedes.
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I blame Rick for my profligate lifestyle
when I was wrestling.
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But he was a great mentor to me.
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Along with Aaron and Tully and JJ, be
around those guys.
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At that early stage, I was just barely
out of my rookie year. It was enormous.
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Lex Luger was immediately the main event
guy.
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I will go down in history as the
greatest U .S. champion there ever was.
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on, guys!
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He got the first guaranteed contract
that Crockett had given out.
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The total package.
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Look at it!
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Crockett was saying, okay, Vince McMahon
is my only competition.
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Lex Luger looks perfect for Vince
McMahon, so I've got to get him first.
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This did not go over well with anybody
else in the locker room because Luger
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a totally unproven commodity.
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All the other guys, the veterans, they
had to work against him. They had to
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as his partner. They had to cover up for
this so he could go out and flex and
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pose.
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Larry was tough to work with, and he was
so stiff and so uncoordinated.
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The company was really babysitting
Luger.
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They liked the persona that they saw,
and they thought that they could market
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that different than wrestling.
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There was so much jealousy and animosity
that went on.
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A lot of beers went down over his
contract.
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I can guarantee you that riding down the
road was not pleasant.
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When a guy's getting paid double what
you are.
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They asked me to sign a contract. I
didn't understand why it was just
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unilateral. We signed you a contract,
but there's no money amount. So I said,
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there like a money amount in this
contract?
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And Jim Crockett kind of looked at me
like, well, no.
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We don't give out guaranteed contracts.
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There's not, like, anything in there,
like our football contract. So I was
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looking, oh, a football contract was
structured.
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Jim Kroc was like, well, what do you
want in that contract?
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I gave him a figure, and he agreed to
it.
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I had a million -plus -dollar guaranteed
contract, which I didn't realize was
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kind of unheard of at the time.
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Mr. Ego himself right there, Jim. He's
got an ego as big as his muscles.
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Lex was an egomaniac.
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That's a good thing, not a bad thing.
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In this form of entertainment, if you
don't have the drive to do it, you're
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going to do it. The bottom line is I'm
the best at what I do.
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Lex had the ability for the fans to hate
him or love him and would draw numbers
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and people.
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But could have been a lot better if he'd
learned to work with people and not
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think 100 % of himself.
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My first impression of Lex Luger was
when I was a C -Squad announcer at Baton
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Cleanup for Jim Ross and Tony Schiavone.
My name is Eric Bischoff. At the time,
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I was like, man, that is one arrogant
son of a bitch.
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This is perfection each and every time
you see it in your arena.
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It's really easy to understand how
someone develops into that kind of a
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personality.
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Ever since I stepped foot in the
wrestling business, I've had people
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telling me that I'm going to be the next
big thing.
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Because I've got the brain, I've got the
look, and the physical tools to take
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whatever I want. I think he was
perceived as being arrogant.
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He's a genuinely good guy.
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If I looked like that guy, I might have
been really hard to live with, too.
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Physically just put together like no one
else, had a body like no one else.
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And I said, how do you stay in such
incredible condition?
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I mean, you're Jack.
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And he just real casually and nonchalant
like with just total disrespect.
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He didn't even look at me. He just stood
up. He said, yeah, I drink Stoli and I
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eat M &Ms.
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I went, oh, all right.
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But we got close. I mean, he was my age
and we had a lot of things in common.
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We were a new generation of guys coming
up who wanted to have the physique. We
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wanted to look the part.
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So we ended up traveling up and down the
roads together.
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Started mainly our relationship with how
to train properly and work out because
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he loved working out.
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Then we just started hanging together
all the time.
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Families were friends, hung out
together.
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We were neighbors.
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I ended up moving into the same
neighborhood that he had moved into.
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We opened some gyms together, did really
well.
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And he loved to train, and he loved to
watch his body change and grow and, you
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know, get lean.
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This baby is for real!
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And not only did he try to keep that
physique going, but he learned how to
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He really did.
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He did great, and he looked the part,
and the four -horseman thing, it worked
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out great with him.
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And then working against him was great.
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When I finally left the horsemen, be
able to do a one -on -one program with
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of the greatest wrestlers who's ever
lived, Ric Flair.
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This is an event with the two best that
the NWA has facing one another.
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Crowd and the fans were really into it.
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We had like sellout crowds everywhere we
went.
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We're put in a position of drawing
money, and we did a lot.
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He worked his ass off. He let me knock
at none of them.
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He did anything that was asked of him,
and he worked hard.
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It took about five years, but Lex got to
be a talented performer in the ring.
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That's the same time where Turner
Broadcasting took over the company from
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Crockett, and all business went in the
toilet.
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When they sold the company to Turner, I
was so miserable with WTW.
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My contract was up for renewal.
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And they wanted me to lose the title to
Luger in Baltimore. And I said, I would
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be more than happy to.
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I said, the belt's mine.
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I own it. And Ole Miss paid me for the
deposit from the old days.
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You guys owe me 25 in interest for 10
years.
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So what am I going to do? Hand them the
belt?
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Knowing I'll never get paid?
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So I went to WWE to work for Vince in
91.
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He said, send me the belt.
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That's the way it went. That's the
history.
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Rick had just left.
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He had actually taken the big gold belt
with him. So I ended up wrestling. I was
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supposed to wrestle Rick.
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I ended up wrestling Barry Windham in a
cage match. I guess Barry was a
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substitute.
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We didn't even have a real belt made
yet.
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They made kind of a fake belt.
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They made the best of a difficult
situation.
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He's got him up on the pile driver.
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And there he planted him.
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Luger, we're the pile driver.
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He's hooked the leg.
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And Luger wins it.
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Lex Luger has won the WCW World
Heavyweight Championship.
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It was an honor, obviously, to become
world champion for the first time, but
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was a little different with it not being
the intended match with Rick, and we
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had to kind of, we were scrambling kind
of to make things work.
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Lex was very frustrated. We were all
very frustrated because we were always
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second -class citizens to WWE.
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We'd always hear the stories. Yeah, you
got to jump ship.
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You got to go.
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The grass is greener. Man, what an
incredible place.
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And Lex was lured into that.
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He had to get out.
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He was world champ, but he was looking
beyond. He was looking at the ultimate.
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And at the time, it was WWE.
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So I reached out to WWE, and we worked
out a deal where I'd be with his
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bodybuilding program for a year.
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In the early 90s, Vince wanted to create
a rival to Joe Weider's Bodybuilding
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Federation, and Vince created the WBF,
the World Bodybuilding Federation.
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And he wanted Lex to be a part of his
WBF.
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What is the World Bodybuilding
Federation?
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It's about looking good, feeling great.
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It's about sports entertainment.
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You left my contract with WCW, and I
went to WCW and said I'd like some time
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off. Didn't tell them I was planning on
signing a bodybuilding contract.
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The total package Lex Luger has at all,
whether it's arms, shoulders, chest.
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There was nothing in Lex's contract with
WCW that prevented Lex from going to
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work for the WBF, a bodybuilding
federation.
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So Lex came in as the...
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bodybuilding guru or fitness guru, if
you will. Nobody knows better than me,
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Luger, that it's important not only to
look good in the gym, but outside the
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as well.
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To be a co -host on this television show
with Vince that aired on Saturday
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mornings. You might want to practice a
little ab work yourself there, fella.
459
00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:31,600
I thought that'd be pretty cool, do
bodybuilding for a year, stay home and
460
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:35,160
train, and then break into wrestling the
following year with WWE.
461
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,680
You've got to want it.
462
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,240
A lot of people wonder why I didn't
actually compete for WF. I was just a
463
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,720
weeks away, was in peak condition. I was
so excited I was going to actually be a
464
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,720
guest poser.
465
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,440
And I was so close to the event, but I
ended up having a near fatal motorcycle
466
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,440
wreck.
467
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,380
That was a life and death.
468
00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:06,880
Head on by the car, 45 mile an hour.
469
00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:11,100
I'll never forget the nurse at the
emergency room when I finally got there.
470
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,560
You better be thanking the Lord, she
said. You are a DOA.
471
00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:19,380
I was in so much pain. I had bones
sticking out everywhere.
472
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,000
I was like, what's a DOA, George?
473
00:29:22,220 --> 00:29:25,340
She goes, dead on arrival. Dead on
arrival, she told me.
474
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,980
I wouldn't sign the permission forms.
475
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,980
They were talking about amputating my
arm.
476
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,540
And I walked in.
477
00:29:38,010 --> 00:29:41,830
It was such a mess.
478
00:29:42,970 --> 00:29:46,970
They ended up taking the bandages off,
and I looked at his arm. There was bones
479
00:29:46,970 --> 00:29:51,330
literally sticking out of his arm. It
was like his whole elbow and arm was
480
00:29:51,330 --> 00:29:52,530
completely open wide.
481
00:29:54,050 --> 00:29:58,110
And I thought, I don't know how this arm
can be saved.
482
00:29:59,250 --> 00:30:03,070
And Lex is like, Stinger, don't let him
touch me. He goes, can you call Dr.
483
00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:04,390
Andrews?
484
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:06,910
Dr. Andrews, Jim Andrews out of
Birmingham, Alabama.
485
00:30:07,709 --> 00:30:12,690
And it just so happened I had his pager,
and I paged him, and he got right back
486
00:30:12,690 --> 00:30:17,150
with me, and I explained what was going
on. He said, get him to Birmingham, and
487
00:30:17,150 --> 00:30:18,750
I'll make sure that he's okay.
488
00:30:21,130 --> 00:30:23,170
I don't know how he put his arm back
together.
489
00:30:23,610 --> 00:30:24,610
I really don't.
490
00:30:27,010 --> 00:30:29,350
Even Dr. Harris said, I don't know if
you're going to have full use of that
491
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:30,350
again.
492
00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:36,010
But I made my debut with WWE less than
six months later after the wreck. It
493
00:30:36,010 --> 00:30:38,420
was... Just a miraculous recovery.
494
00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:46,760
I believe that Vince had high
expectations for Lex Luger and felt that
495
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,740
the potential to become this huge star.
496
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:58,040
I didn't even know what the hell a
narcissist was until, you know, we met
497
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,360
Luger and Vince came up with this. He's
a narcissist.
498
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,000
Narcissistic personality and someone who
really adores themselves.
499
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,960
And is very enamored with the presence
of themselves.
500
00:31:08,300 --> 00:31:10,060
And was like, yeah, perfect.
501
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:17,400
As I've been told back then, my
personality could be pretty self
502
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,580
called it very confident. Some people
called it arrogant.
503
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:24,680
So we kind of thought that might be a
natural character for me to portray the
504
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,020
narcissist. Like, ooh, that might be
kind of neat.
505
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,500
Kind of thought I could sink my teeth in
being a narcissistic bad guy.
506
00:31:32,140 --> 00:31:34,280
I was excited about being a narcissist.
507
00:31:41,130 --> 00:31:47,010
pleasure to introduce and to unveil
Narcissus Lex
508
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:48,330
Luger!
509
00:31:50,550 --> 00:31:51,550
Yes.
510
00:31:52,210 --> 00:31:53,650
Yes, he is here.
511
00:31:55,390 --> 00:31:58,850
Excited to be making my debut with Bobby
Heenan. One of the greatest ever
512
00:31:58,850 --> 00:32:00,750
introducing me. It was awesome.
513
00:32:01,570 --> 00:32:03,610
I was excited. I was pumped.
514
00:32:04,110 --> 00:32:05,890
I know how you feel about yourself.
515
00:32:06,210 --> 00:32:07,210
Oh, yeah.
516
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:09,090
Look at that. Look at that. Look at
that.
517
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000
Oh, my God.
518
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,140
We were always looking for some good new
talent in those days, somebody that
519
00:32:17,140 --> 00:32:18,780
would be a good dance partner.
520
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,040
When he came onto the scene and they
brought him in as the narcissist, not a
521
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,580
very friendly guy, seemed to have a bit
of an attitude, even though he never
522
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:30,519
really did.
523
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,720
He was a kind, good soul, but he was
just, yeah, he was full of himself.
524
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:36,620
He had every right to be.
525
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,100
I truly...
526
00:32:39,850 --> 00:32:42,330
Incredible! He was a total packet.
527
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:48,950
Lex never met a mirror he didn't like.
Just making sure that everything's just
528
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:53,530
right. I can feel the momentum building
for WrestleMania.
529
00:32:54,170 --> 00:33:00,050
I feel, I know, and everyone else will
see, I will be the most dominant force
530
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:01,110
ever.
531
00:33:03,090 --> 00:33:04,310
No, Vince is...
532
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:08,330
And he's a force of nature, his
confidence and his optimism for what he
533
00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:09,330
loves the business.
534
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:12,110
Vince
535
00:33:12,110 --> 00:33:27,830
was
536
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:30,590
very happy with the narcissist character
and I was enjoying it.
537
00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:43,810
As a heel, as the narcissist, okay, it
was a little gimmicky, like all the WWE
538
00:33:43,810 --> 00:33:45,330
gimmicks were at that time.
539
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:50,790
But that was kind of a pretty good use
for Lex. But Vince saw him as the next
540
00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:51,790
Hulk Hogan.
541
00:33:52,070 --> 00:33:57,170
Vince kind of viewed Lex Luger possibly
as a replacement for Hulk Hogan and some
542
00:33:57,170 --> 00:34:02,010
of the bigger stars of the Randy
Savages, the Ultimate Warriors, and felt
543
00:34:02,010 --> 00:34:05,570
Lex had the potential to become this
huge star.
544
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:11,550
They were actually looking for a top
good guy at the time.
545
00:34:12,650 --> 00:34:16,030
Vince called me and said, we're going to
switch you to Lex Luger like the All
546
00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:17,030
-American.
547
00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:19,170
I was like, are you kidding? I'm the
narcissist.
548
00:34:19,429 --> 00:34:20,790
But he said, no, it'll work.
549
00:34:22,290 --> 00:34:25,330
It wasn't so much that the narcissist
wasn't working out. This was like it'd
550
00:34:25,330 --> 00:34:28,810
a newer, better opportunity for everyone
involved, including myself.
551
00:34:30,250 --> 00:34:35,110
I think that Vince's vision for Lex came
out as an opponent.
552
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,199
for yokozuna the audience
553
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:47,920
couldn't figure out how and who can
possibly defeat this
554
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,860
monster because in a lot of ways he was
unbeatable who's gonna take this man off
555
00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:57,260
his feet lex luger was hopefully going
to be that red white and blue all
556
00:34:57,260 --> 00:35:04,080
-american hero to upsee this evil
international champion in
557
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,080
yokozuna
558
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:29,860
Nobody could slam this 500 plus pound
559
00:35:29,860 --> 00:35:31,120
behemoth.
560
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:47,070
And here comes Lex in the helicopter
arriving on the Intrepid. And by God,
561
00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:48,070
here's my savior.
562
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:55,430
The last chance of America was the look
of determination in his eyes.
563
00:35:58,730 --> 00:36:02,590
I wasn't sure, as strong as I was back
then, I wasn't sure I could really
564
00:36:02,590 --> 00:36:03,590
actually slam him.
565
00:36:03,710 --> 00:36:05,810
He was a load.
566
00:36:06,510 --> 00:36:08,150
So I was nervous.
567
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,720
It was an electrifying moment with the
skyline of New York in the background,
568
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,120
the crowd went berserk.
569
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,520
I started thinking, man, this is kind of
a defining moment. I'm really making it
570
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,720
at this wrestling thing, man.
571
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,580
This is a pretty big deal.
572
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:42,740
The big man went down on July 4th, right
here.
573
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,320
Oh, yeah!
574
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:53,300
I was just coming in when they turned
Lex into Captain America, basically.
575
00:36:55,029 --> 00:36:56,190
And it got over.
576
00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:57,710
Like, I thought it worked great.
577
00:36:57,930 --> 00:37:01,810
I think Lex Luger is one of the best WWF
wrestlers here today.
578
00:37:02,110 --> 00:37:06,590
When no other American athlete could
slam Yokozuna, he came in for his
579
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:10,390
and he helped our country when we needed
it the most. For saving America, I
580
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:13,810
think he definitely deserves a title
shot. No question about it. If he can
581
00:37:13,810 --> 00:37:15,530
him, he should be able to get a title
shot.
582
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,960
A whistle -stop tour through the
southern states on a train named Spirit
583
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,860
America, the presidential wave for the
traditional campaign trimmings. George
584
00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:35,160
Bush had done a train campaign where he
would stop in small towns and he would
585
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,500
get out on the back of the train and
meet everybody, and that was his
586
00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:45,980
The idea was to do something very
similar with Lex to campaign across the
587
00:37:45,980 --> 00:37:50,340
States for a championship match at
SummerSlam with Yokozuna.
588
00:37:51,180 --> 00:37:56,480
And we got a bus, painted this bus red,
white, and blue, deemed it the Lex
589
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,320
Express. Well, here we are, red, white,
and blue for Yokozuna.
590
00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:07,020
We did this whole big send -off of Lex
leaving from Stanford in the bus.
591
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Mr. Lex Luger!
592
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,380
George M. Cohan should have scored this
thing, for God's sake. I'm a Yankee
593
00:38:21,380 --> 00:38:25,540
doodle dandy. America, patriotism, the
flag, mother, apple pie, all that stuff.
594
00:38:27,300 --> 00:38:31,120
This is the kickoff for Lex Luthor
called action and the world title match.
595
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:33,980
Hopefully down the line here and let's
just crank it up.
596
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:40,980
Hey, young fella, how you doing?
597
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,440
Good guys with more responsibility, more
PR work. I thought, I mean, I can do
598
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,440
this.
599
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:49,660
Well, X Express, it was a difficult
sell.
600
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,800
Do you want to put me on a bus and drive
me around the nation?
601
00:38:54,540 --> 00:38:57,140
I had a family at home, and they said
I'm going to be on tour all summer.
602
00:38:57,740 --> 00:39:04,080
We had our boy, we had our girl, and we
were a team, and we knew that that was
603
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,700
what I was doing and the way we provided
for the family.
604
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,060
I used to be on the road, but like all
summer in a bus.
605
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,240
Oh, man, you got to go out and see my
bus.
606
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,460
Red and blue curtains.
607
00:39:16,100 --> 00:39:18,640
This is my son, Brian. He is a good guy.
608
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,840
Aren't you, Brian?
609
00:39:21,820 --> 00:39:25,280
Flew me home to see my family a couple
times for like one or two days.
610
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:27,700
But I was on the bus.
611
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:34,040
Lex Luger is here. He's the next big
thing in wrestling.
612
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,760
We're talking about the Lex Express this
morning. Lex!
613
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,420
All over the country doing appearances
from 5 in the morning at a local
614
00:39:43,420 --> 00:39:47,300
affiliates in major cities to the night
shows to 11 o 'clock at night.
615
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:57,720
The bus was supposed to lead to more
exposure
616
00:39:57,720 --> 00:40:00,360
for the company and more exposure for
Lex.
617
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:04,200
Go places that you wouldn't ordinarily
go.
618
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,200
Coming to you from the Mall of America.
619
00:40:08,170 --> 00:40:12,910
Give the everyday man an opportunity to
touch a WWE superstar.
620
00:40:18,110 --> 00:40:24,910
I don't think that Lex shared the same
visions that we did. And
621
00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:30,610
Lex wanted to have the bus, but Lex
wanted to stay at the Marriott.
622
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,560
I've done everything I possibly could. I
asked Mona Lisa if I could have a food
623
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,000
upgrade. It was supposed to be
complimentary with my marquee. I
624
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
to ask or beg. And she said immediately
no. And now the other woman here, who's
625
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,800
the supervisor, says they probably do
have one. What do you think of that?
626
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:48,880
I rode on that bus for the first week
with Lex and the crew.
627
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:50,300
The crew was great.
628
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,580
The crew was awesome.
629
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:55,800
We can't have these days like this, man.
We've got to have time to do this.
630
00:40:58,350 --> 00:41:00,870
Probably by the end of week one.
631
00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:05,270
Like, I don't know if this is the guy.
632
00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:09,670
Smile, smile.
633
00:41:10,830 --> 00:41:13,730
Look at that nice, bony smile.
634
00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:16,110
Lex was like...
635
00:41:17,070 --> 00:41:18,069
I want to do it.
636
00:41:18,070 --> 00:41:21,290
I want to go in. I need a chicken
breast.
637
00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:22,550
It's like, oh, God.
638
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:26,610
I get very cranky when I don't eat. I'm
low on energy now. I'm droning when I
639
00:41:26,610 --> 00:41:29,110
talk. And Bruce knows how I am.
640
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:32,210
And I'm very easy to get along with, but
I have to eat.
641
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:35,770
My concern was that I couldn't eat
properly.
642
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:37,870
We're stuck here, and I'm hungry.
643
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:43,710
And I did lose about 10 pounds in that
four or five weeks.
644
00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:45,410
And it was probably good muscle.
645
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:46,890
I'm going to the gym now.
646
00:41:47,310 --> 00:41:48,129
Demyte me.
647
00:41:48,130 --> 00:41:49,130
Bye.
648
00:41:50,050 --> 00:41:52,610
I think a lot of athletes say they don't
want to be a role model. You know,
649
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:55,970
today, a lot of the professional
athletes, I think you are what you want
650
00:41:55,970 --> 00:41:56,569
or not.
651
00:41:56,570 --> 00:42:01,370
There were a lot of assumptions that Lex
was going to be the next big thing and
652
00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:06,630
he was going to be the guy to take the
company into the next 10 years as its
653
00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:09,110
conquering hero and the face of the
company.
654
00:42:13,999 --> 00:42:18,680
There was one problem with that, and
that was it wasn't true to the human
655
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:25,260
The question is just who is Lex Luger?
It's kind of funny you should ask that.
656
00:42:25,340 --> 00:42:28,200
You know, since I've been on tour, I
think it's amazing some of the questions
657
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,600
people have already asked me. I mean,
they come right up to you and ask you
658
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,280
questions. And I want to say
emphatically, I welcome anybody that
659
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,140
asks me a question on tour. Feel free.
660
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:46,800
I love Lex, and he was a great guy, and
you had to be around him to know that he
661
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:47,820
was a quality guy.
662
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,600
But he wasn't very personable.
663
00:42:52,900 --> 00:42:56,720
He didn't have his heart into being a
babyface, and he didn't like that
664
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,000
interaction with the fans.
665
00:42:59,500 --> 00:43:00,500
Okay.
666
00:43:01,740 --> 00:43:05,420
pretending to be a nice guy and
pretending to be in a good mood when he
667
00:43:05,420 --> 00:43:06,420
necessarily.
668
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:12,220
I think he just didn't want anything to
do with them. They were outside his
669
00:43:12,220 --> 00:43:13,900
circle of life.
670
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,720
Lex didn't like going out signing
autographs and talking to the fan base.
671
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:28,860
So when he did it, it came across as
very disingenuous and came across as
672
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Now look at this. Isn't this wonderful?
673
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:32,400
The gifts I get.
674
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:33,920
Because it was.
675
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,840
Thank you. Nice meeting you all.
676
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:39,040
Oh, my knees from bending down when I
was a little kid, man.
677
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,320
It's arthritis.
678
00:43:40,860 --> 00:43:44,980
The baby face, the hero, Hulk Hogan. Say
your prayers, take your vitamins,
679
00:43:45,180 --> 00:43:49,740
right? Stone Cold Steve Austin, don't
trust anybody. He was one of us. He's
680
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:50,740
common man.
681
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,020
Lex Luger was not one of them. He wasn't
common.
682
00:43:54,670 --> 00:43:58,890
He wasn't really a superhero. He was a
statue that you looked at and you
683
00:43:58,890 --> 00:44:02,390
admired, but you didn't really have any
personal feelings for.
684
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:08,370
I was very focused on my training and my
working out, and I might not always be
685
00:44:08,370 --> 00:44:12,050
able to hide my displeasure with some of
the other things outside of the rings
686
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:13,050
they wanted me to do.
687
00:44:13,230 --> 00:44:17,370
I want to hear about WCW minor league
wrestlers, so keep your mouth shut.
688
00:44:21,020 --> 00:44:25,660
So I could see some people definitely
have that impression that I was not
689
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:26,660
the easiest guy to work with.
690
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:27,860
I understand that.
691
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,720
I actually got to shake their hands,
look them in the eye, and meet those
692
00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,720
people. I grew great strength from that.
693
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Oh, Drew.
694
00:44:38,900 --> 00:44:40,540
Oh, Drew.
695
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,660
Damn it, what am I doing?
696
00:44:43,020 --> 00:44:44,260
But Drew would have been fine, too.
697
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:48,320
I knew I was never going to be Hulk
Hogan or a replacement for Hulk Hogan. I
698
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,158
just going to...
699
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,220
I always wanted to be the best Lex Luger
I could be and that they wanted me to
700
00:44:52,220 --> 00:44:55,420
be and do my job the very best that I
could.
701
00:44:57,180 --> 00:44:58,180
Don't get down on yourself.
702
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,060
You can't get through the first line.
703
00:45:00,620 --> 00:45:01,620
Yes, you can.
704
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,440
You're human.
705
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,660
Okay. They want you to flub up. They
don't want you to be perfect.
706
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:07,899
Start again.
707
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:09,700
Okay. I'm getting flustered now.
708
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,100
No, you're okay.
709
00:45:13,300 --> 00:45:14,700
Okay. Let's go.
710
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,920
Here we go.
711
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:20,950
I didn't shy away from trying to be the
guy. Who wouldn't want to be the guy?
712
00:45:23,730 --> 00:45:26,510
Well, this is it. The last day in the
Lexi Express.
713
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:28,670
The moment of truth has arrived.
714
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:31,350
Myself versus Yokozuna for the title.
715
00:45:39,210 --> 00:45:44,370
Will this be the end of a long journey
or the start of another?
716
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:58,150
No human being alive can defeat
Yokozuna.
717
00:45:59,130 --> 00:46:01,770
Can Lex Luger do the impossible?
718
00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:10,930
But
719
00:46:10,930 --> 00:46:20,030
you
720
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:22,350
cannot win this title on a count out.
721
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,800
The rules are such that in order for a
championship to change hands, you have
722
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,060
win by a pinfall or a submission.
723
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:38,920
He may have won the match, Lex Luger,
but the championship remains in the
724
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,880
possession of Yokozuna.
725
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:47,580
So here in the rules, we're in the
champion's favor because Lex Luger was
726
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:53,140
to hit Yokozuna out to the floor and
Yoko wasn't able to answer.
727
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:59,250
The 10 count to get back into the ring.
Therefore, Lex was victorious, but Lex
728
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,970
didn't get the championship.
729
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:05,370
We were just like, huh?
730
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:09,450
Because, like, the balloons came down.
It was like he won the championship, but
731
00:47:09,450 --> 00:47:10,450
he didn't.
732
00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:15,250
What the count -out finish did was it
felt forced and fake, the balloons
733
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:18,710
dropping and all -American, and that's
patriotism, right?
734
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:23,270
For him not to become the champion.
735
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,480
was kind of like, really?
736
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,900
We went all the way to the moon and we
just circled and came back? We were
737
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:30,900
supposed to land?
738
00:47:33,500 --> 00:47:38,780
I said, he is going to end up looking
like a plate full of piss out of this.
739
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,740
And that's what happened.
740
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,440
That U .S. gimmick that he had, it was
like a curse.
741
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:49,020
It ruined him.
742
00:47:55,570 --> 00:48:02,130
If Lex Luger had won the title at
SummerSlam 93, he would have been over,
743
00:48:02,130 --> 00:48:03,130
would have been an attraction.
744
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:14,850
Vince McMahon wanted to prolong
745
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:18,130
the chase until WrestleMania the
following spring in 94.
746
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:26,500
By the time that the next year's
WrestleMania came along, Vince had
747
00:48:26,500 --> 00:48:31,920
mind because he had seen that Lex looked
great and could talk and work as a
748
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,760
heel, but his baby face was limited.
749
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,100
Once he...
750
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,480
Sort of failed at getting the title in
the fans' eyes. They just was like, move
751
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,480
on.
752
00:48:50,700 --> 00:48:55,440
So that meant that Lex was worthless in
the WWE from that point because he'd
753
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,840
failed to win the title and then didn't
come back and make good on it.
754
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,040
It's just something that I don't know
whether he didn't want to carry the
755
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,340
weight. I didn't know whether he didn't
connect with the people.
756
00:49:05,300 --> 00:49:07,380
He could be one of the guys. He couldn't
be the guy.
757
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,180
The office at that time had basically
had enough.
758
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,920
The poor road agents that had to deal
with him every day. And, you know, I'm
759
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,080
trying to make Lex sound like anything
that he isn't, you know, but I would get
760
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:30,380
a report after each and every show. And
there was never any positive feedback on
761
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:32,420
Lex's matches or Lex's attitude.
762
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,520
I don't think he was happy. He never
really fit in in WWE.
763
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,000
And at the same time, WCW was like home
to him.
764
00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:46,480
WCW over the past 12 months, as I said,
since the addition of Hulk Hogan and
765
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,420
Randy Savage, is really closing the gap.
We're coming on strong. We've got a lot
766
00:49:50,420 --> 00:49:51,038
of momentum.
767
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,580
And all I can say is, you know,
September 4th, you'll see the
768
00:49:55,900 --> 00:50:02,540
Lex was always looking to see where the
grass was greener. And personally, I did
769
00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:05,500
not see Lex resigning the contract. Lex
was all about the bottom line.
770
00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:11,880
And as that date got closer and closer,
He continually lied and said, I'm going
771
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,280
to sign it, I'm going to sign it.
772
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,960
After the third time you tell me you're
going to sign it, you don't sign it.
773
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,880
You're not signing it.
774
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:26,560
Vince and I worked with his attorneys
and everything, thinking we're probably
775
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,980
going to re -sign and reset my character
with WWE, and that's what I intended to
776
00:50:31,980 --> 00:50:35,800
do. On a happen chance, confrontation
with Sting, that all changed.
777
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,520
I think that the grass maybe was greener
there for a while, and it was kind of
778
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:41,560
exciting in the beginning.
779
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,440
Eventually, I think he realized, oh,
man, this sucks, man.
780
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:52,580
He was gone more than ever now, at least
with WCW. A lot of things that we did
781
00:50:52,580 --> 00:50:55,060
were in and around the mid -Atlantic
area.
782
00:50:55,580 --> 00:50:58,440
We could drive to and from and get back
home.
783
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:05,200
He had his kids and his family, and at
that particular time, he wanted to get
784
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,200
back.
785
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:13,600
He asked if I would speak with Eric
Bischoff and put a good word in because
786
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,240
was suddenly running the show. He was
our boss.
787
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:23,280
I remember Stan pulling me inside and he
said, Eric, can I talk to you? I want
788
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,280
to talk to you about Lex.
789
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,680
I went, oh, I saw this coming. I was
afraid I saw it coming.
790
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:31,640
And I listened to Steve and he was
passionate.
791
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:36,440
You know, he explained to me how I
didn't really know Lex Luger and that
792
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,180
Luger. knows that he probably didn't
handle himself as well as he could have
793
00:51:40,180 --> 00:51:43,980
should have in WCW. And, you know, Lex
really wanted to come back.
794
00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:46,720
And I didn't really want him back.
795
00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:51,600
I just couldn't believe that he had
changed that much or was willing to
796
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:52,600
that much.
797
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:57,520
I'm vouching for him, of course. You
know, he's not going to be the same as
798
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,080
was. He's going to be different.
799
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,680
I made up my mind that I was going to
offer Lex a deal, but I was going to
800
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:05,680
lowball him.
801
00:52:05,790 --> 00:52:11,010
In fact, it was such a lowball offer
that I thought, well, I can honestly say
802
00:52:11,010 --> 00:52:15,190
offered to bring him back, and honestly,
I thought he would turn it down. I
803
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:17,730
thought it was an insulting offer, and
it really was.
804
00:52:18,070 --> 00:52:20,110
I offered him $150 ,000.
805
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:25,310
He was a guy that was making $750 ,000 a
year when he left, and now he's coming
806
00:52:25,310 --> 00:52:30,730
back after a run in WWE, and I'm
offering him $150 ,000.
807
00:52:31,070 --> 00:52:35,030
Keep in mind, there were guys in our
developmental system.
808
00:52:35,470 --> 00:52:37,070
that were not far from that number.
809
00:52:37,330 --> 00:52:39,910
And I was thinking, man, there's no way
he's going to take this.
810
00:52:41,410 --> 00:52:46,390
Eric Bischoff was not a big Lex Luger
fan, and he gave me a lowball offer, but
811
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:48,890
loved the challenge and wanted to make a
change.
812
00:52:49,310 --> 00:52:51,990
I thought it would be cool to be part of
the new show and be back with my best
813
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:52,990
buddy Sting.
814
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:57,330
And I said, well, I'll prove myself all
over again. I'll go back there. From
815
00:52:57,330 --> 00:52:59,690
Minneapolis, Minnesota, the...
816
00:53:07,540 --> 00:53:09,280
WCW Monday Nitro.
817
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:14,300
It became crystal clear to me early on
how I wanted to use Lex and use him as a
818
00:53:14,300 --> 00:53:17,660
surprise because that would set the tone
for Nitro. Let me tell you, we've got
819
00:53:17,660 --> 00:53:20,900
some great surprises coming your way.
The internet was just starting to come
820
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:24,440
into the fold and I was trying to get
the scoop on what was going to be on a
821
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,280
particular program. So WCW wanted a
surprise factor. Now I was raised that
822
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:30,280
matter what.
823
00:53:30,460 --> 00:53:34,980
you always left the right way and would
give a two -week notice. But one of the
824
00:53:34,980 --> 00:53:38,180
stipulations for Eric was, well, yeah,
but if you do that, there's no surprise
825
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:39,180
with you coming in.
826
00:53:40,580 --> 00:53:45,480
And I really felt I couldn't pass up the
opportunity for myself and my family to
827
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,600
go back to WCW.
828
00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:51,740
I had just left him on the road, like,
two days earlier, up in Nova Scotia or
829
00:53:51,740 --> 00:53:54,560
something, up in the Maritimes, and you
never would have known.
830
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:58,560
He knew he was leaving, but he was a pro
up until the very last day.
831
00:53:59,150 --> 00:54:03,010
And they flew me in that same day into
Minneapolis and did hire me at a hotel.
832
00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:05,990
And they waited until like 30 minutes
before the show started and brought me
833
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:09,530
with like towels around my head to a
back door in a room. It was all like
834
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:13,410
incredible, the lengths they went to, to
protect whether or not I was there.
835
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:17,750
What a matchup we have got in store in
this debut broadcast.
836
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:22,890
What in the hell is he doing here? I'm
in shock.
837
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:26,410
Lex Luger making an appearance here of
all places.
838
00:54:27,150 --> 00:54:30,450
It was a very well -kept secret, and
people are freaking out.
839
00:54:32,650 --> 00:54:36,270
Well, you said things were going to
happen every Monday night, Bishop, and
840
00:54:36,270 --> 00:54:43,210
happening. He had jumped ship back with
WCW, and it really helped set us up for
841
00:54:43,210 --> 00:54:45,990
great success because there was already
controversy.
842
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:48,030
Wait, Luger's in there! What is this?
843
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:49,290
In the ring!
844
00:54:49,450 --> 00:54:53,970
Vince McMahon, WCW had always been good
to me, and that really bothered me
845
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:55,710
because it wasn't a class act, just...
846
00:54:56,560 --> 00:55:00,620
Being on their TV taping a few days
prior than walking out on WCW without
847
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:01,620
proper notice.
848
00:55:02,740 --> 00:55:08,620
Vince was betrayed and hurt because I do
believe that Vince really liked Lex and
849
00:55:08,620 --> 00:55:13,140
really wanted to make that potential
reality.
850
00:55:13,980 --> 00:55:18,440
Lex was a challenge, and Vince loves
those challenges. I'll show you. I'll
851
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:19,440
him a star.
852
00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:22,420
And it never happened.
853
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,400
It's in the tunnel package, Lex Luger.
Look at him, Tony. This man has been
854
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,700
world champion before. He could very
well do it again.
855
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,800
Wow. Look at the strength of this man.
856
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,740
It's the torture rack. He's got him.
857
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,180
Yes, yes, look at him, baby. The next
WCW champion.
858
00:55:45,820 --> 00:55:50,200
You're looking at the past, the present,
and the future of world championship
859
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,200
wrestling.
860
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:52,580
One of the things.
861
00:55:53,200 --> 00:56:00,020
That was great for Lex and for WCW is
Lex came back as the
862
00:56:00,020 --> 00:56:03,540
tide was really beginning to shift for
WCW.
863
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:12,440
Lex had the opportunity to come back and
reestablish himself at a time when
864
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:14,560
WCW was now riding a wave of success.
865
00:56:15,310 --> 00:56:19,110
Not a seat to be found in the past
year's crowd. Thousands turned away
866
00:56:19,110 --> 00:56:22,690
the hottest ticket on pay -per -view of
the world championship, Presley. And you
867
00:56:22,690 --> 00:56:25,530
can see why we are number one.
868
00:56:26,310 --> 00:56:29,730
His popularity was like, in an instant,
it was back.
869
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:32,690
It was like, oh, okay, you're home now
where you're supposed to be.
870
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:37,470
When Luger came in, it was a huge
benefit for WCW. He was a main event
871
00:56:37,710 --> 00:56:39,150
He was a guy that had...
872
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,620
Been a world champion that had worked
against world champions that understood
873
00:56:42,620 --> 00:56:45,160
what it took to draw money and work his
character.
874
00:56:46,140 --> 00:56:52,440
Lex Luger was instrumental to the
success of Nitro and his attitude was so
875
00:56:52,620 --> 00:56:57,220
I mean, he went out of his way to kind
of raise the energy in the locker room.
876
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,220
He really was a part of the team and he
made you feel like he was excited to be
877
00:57:01,220 --> 00:57:04,020
a part of that team. And that really won
me over.
878
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,640
So at that point, didn't have to do it.
879
00:57:07,020 --> 00:57:09,680
I sat down with him and we started
talking about his contract.
880
00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:14,840
I said, okay, Lex, I offered you
something that I was hoping you'd get so
881
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,660
off at me over that you wouldn't come
back.
882
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:17,980
You've proven yourself.
883
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:22,720
Let's talk about what your career looks
like going forward here. I renegotiated
884
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,120
as a result of just the way he
contributed.
885
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,160
He came in and he was different.
886
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:34,110
He had perhaps been humbled somewhat and
was grateful for the opportunity to be
887
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:37,990
able to come back, and he was a little
bit more helpful for some of the guys.
888
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:43,510
You know, he realized, you know, I guess
this can be kind of like a team effort.
889
00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:46,150
I love Lex Luger personally.
890
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:50,010
Lex and I always get along great. He was
always super kind with me. I didn't
891
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:53,790
understand a lot of the heat that I was
getting from other people that were a
892
00:57:53,790 --> 00:57:57,090
little bit envious of the position that
I was in, and Lex helped me deal with
893
00:57:57,090 --> 00:57:57,769
that a lot.
894
00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:59,750
Luger gave me a lot of insight in the
business.
895
00:58:00,590 --> 00:58:03,730
Lex Luger was awesome.
896
00:58:04,990 --> 00:58:09,190
He brought an attitude and a work ethic
that I've never seen before.
897
00:58:09,670 --> 00:58:14,270
He was a perfectionist, and he helped me
out a lot. He was a guy who came from
898
00:58:14,270 --> 00:58:19,250
football, so you could still talk to him
on that level without him just giving
899
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:20,350
you a wrestling perspective.
900
00:58:20,850 --> 00:58:24,570
Lex Luger, one half of the world tag
team champion, also television champion.
901
00:58:26,010 --> 00:58:32,490
Lex's success that he was having at the
time definitely led to Lex getting an
902
00:58:32,490 --> 00:58:34,930
opportunity to have higher profile
matches.
903
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:38,250
I just had more trust and confidence in
Lex as a performer.
904
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:41,770
And he certainly got more popular, I
think, than he ever had been.
905
00:58:42,030 --> 00:58:44,550
And a lot of that was just because his
attitude changed.
906
00:58:55,820 --> 00:59:00,900
ended in 1992, but now he will go after
the man who has set the standard for
907
00:59:00,900 --> 00:59:02,660
world titles in our sport.
908
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,460
Hogan was the champ, but by the time we
got to Auburn Hills, Lex was red hot.
909
00:59:08,820 --> 00:59:13,640
Who has more confidence and momentum on
their side than the total package Lex
910
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,180
Luger? They're standing in Detroit!
911
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:17,620
Yes! He's got him in the rack!
912
00:59:17,940 --> 00:59:19,620
He's got him in the rack! Hogan's the
champ!
913
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:20,960
Hogan's the champ!
914
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,400
Look at him tap out! Luger won the
title!
915
00:59:23,980 --> 00:59:24,980
Hogan's the champion!
916
00:59:25,450 --> 00:59:31,850
The night
917
00:59:31,850 --> 00:59:38,590
in Detroit when I won the WCW title
against Hulk Hogan, the response
918
00:59:38,590 --> 00:59:41,950
I'll never forget. It was incredible in
Detroit that night.
919
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:48,990
And in the exact same building where I
didn't win it back in 93.
920
00:59:50,810 --> 00:59:53,830
That place went nuts when he won, man.
921
00:59:54,460 --> 00:59:58,500
Because I think they were just thinking,
it's not really going to happen, is it?
922
00:59:58,580 --> 01:00:00,780
You know, it was really cool.
923
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,920
Look at the show of unity. All in to
show their support.
924
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:10,240
Never with so much emotion and so much
camaraderie as we are seeing right
925
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:16,540
Being the main event spot with Hogan and
then winning the world title,
926
01:00:16,660 --> 01:00:20,020
that was a huge deal.
927
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:26,260
He proved whatever he had to do to get
back, it was all worth it.
928
01:00:27,780 --> 01:00:30,640
He reached his own expectations as a
performer.
929
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,680
And he won the respect of the people
that he worked with and shared a locker
930
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,620
room with. And that has to be important
to anybody.
931
01:00:41,020 --> 01:00:47,760
Lex Luger at that time, those Monday
Night Wars, was someone that
932
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,440
WCW needed to carry the title.
933
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,300
The fireworks are going off!
934
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,640
For the heavyweight champion of the
world, Lex Luger.
935
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,900
The Monday Night Wars was just magical.
936
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,060
It was definitely an amazing time to be
a professional wrestler.
937
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,780
Look at the fans standing, cheering the
total package Lex Luger.
938
01:01:07,020 --> 01:01:08,740
We were all together. It was great.
939
01:01:08,940 --> 01:01:13,660
All hugs and kisses. Wow, what a great
rating on the TV show. We're number one
940
01:01:13,660 --> 01:01:14,660
now.
941
01:01:14,860 --> 01:01:17,420
We had a great camaraderie together on
the road.
942
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:21,040
Wolfpack is most definitely.
943
01:01:25,810 --> 01:01:29,510
We hung out both in the ring, out of the
ring afterwards. We'd go out and hang
944
01:01:29,510 --> 01:01:30,510
out.
945
01:01:30,610 --> 01:01:33,790
So a lot of times we could get done with
the TV tape and get back to the hotel
946
01:01:33,790 --> 01:01:37,770
bar and watch Nitro on TV together.
Everyone would gather and watch the
947
01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:39,290
and put ourselves over.
948
01:01:41,050 --> 01:01:43,310
And the bar was open. The guys were
celebrating.
949
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:47,210
I used to always socialize with the guys
a little bit, have a few beers.
950
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:52,590
Some of the guys who might have a couple
pills, they'd try a couple of these.
951
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:58,340
It was kind of a time of celebration and
good times and camaraderie, really.
952
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:07,220
Over the months and a couple years, it
got pretty dark for all of us, you know.
953
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,820
Alcohol, you know, pills caused us to
make all the wrong choices.
954
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:14,420
Giant party!
955
01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:22,400
Towards about the middle or end of 1998
or whenever it was, I started noticing
956
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,900
that Lex was never around.
957
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:29,110
He went back to his room, and he
obviously had a relationship with Miss
958
01:02:29,110 --> 01:02:32,450
Elizabeth. It wasn't a big secret. It
was pretty obvious to everybody.
959
01:02:33,790 --> 01:02:36,930
We got to know each other at the
tapings. I had respect for her and what
960
01:02:36,930 --> 01:02:37,828
done in the business.
961
01:02:37,830 --> 01:02:40,550
The first lady of wrestling, the lovely
Elizabeth.
962
01:02:41,050 --> 01:02:43,310
She'd worked with Brandy for many years.
963
01:02:44,110 --> 01:02:48,030
He had the most charisma of any wrestler
in the world. He's the best.
964
01:02:49,290 --> 01:02:51,890
They'd been apart for divorce for many,
many years.
965
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,400
The total package, the stunning
Elizabeth, come out.
966
01:02:56,520 --> 01:03:01,000
I always thought, well, I would never
get involved with someone that I work
967
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,900
with. That wouldn't be very smart.
968
01:03:03,260 --> 01:03:04,260
Sure enough.
969
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,600
Hi.
970
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:19,640
After Liz and Randy got their divorce,
she ended up getting remarried.
971
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:21,660
She was married. I was married.
972
01:03:22,490 --> 01:03:25,030
Obviously not something either of us
should have been doing.
973
01:03:25,550 --> 01:03:28,650
And it just progressed from there.
974
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:35,470
Everybody was like, this is crazy. What
are you doing? You know, you and Liz.
975
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:37,930
But, you know, there was no getting
through.
976
01:03:38,910 --> 01:03:43,850
They were not only in a clandestine
relationship, but they were both
977
01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:48,470
participating a little bit too much in
the pharmaceutical side of their
978
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:49,490
recreational activities.
979
01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:56,000
Without me realizing it towards the end
of my career, which really was 01, the
980
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,960
last couple years I was definitely
starting to drink a little bit more at
981
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:05,580
more and more gradually, popping a few
more pills here and there, like, oh,
982
01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:08,420
take a pain pill to go to the gym, to
get a good workout.
983
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:09,640
I always had a reason.
984
01:04:13,020 --> 01:04:16,560
Even when we were partying, you could
party until 4 o 'clock in the morning.
985
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:18,720
9 o 'clock, your phone would ring.
986
01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:22,250
He'd be in the lobby with two cups of
coffee like, let's go.
987
01:04:22,690 --> 01:04:24,110
And you didn't miss your workouts.
988
01:04:25,470 --> 01:04:28,770
Lex, he was going deep. He went deep.
989
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:31,070
And then I ended up going down that road
too.
990
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:34,470
It got pretty dark for all of us.
991
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:40,450
But he was still able to function and
have his matches.
992
01:04:41,070 --> 01:04:45,630
I've won every major title and I've
looked better than everyone else doing
993
01:04:46,210 --> 01:04:47,890
I'm a successful businessman.
994
01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:49,860
I'm good.
995
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,500
I'm great at everything I do.
996
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,380
I never thought of myself because of my
discipline and training and eating and
997
01:04:57,380 --> 01:05:01,100
getting to the gym. I never thought I
would have any kind of issue with drugs
998
01:05:01,100 --> 01:05:02,100
alcohol and like that.
999
01:05:03,060 --> 01:05:05,940
You know, they're all saying too much
time, too much money, too much time, my
1000
01:05:05,940 --> 01:05:08,260
hands too much money. That's kind of the
devil's workshop.
1001
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:09,920
Well,
1002
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:12,560
it definitely manifests itself in my
life.
1003
01:05:13,230 --> 01:05:19,470
We are done. We are floored. The very
last telecast of WCW Monday Night Throw
1004
01:05:19,470 --> 01:05:21,590
on TNT.
1005
01:05:22,690 --> 01:05:27,810
WCW just got bought out and swallowed up
by WJB after that long -term Monday
1006
01:05:27,810 --> 01:05:28,810
Night War.
1007
01:05:29,710 --> 01:05:34,650
I figured, well, if TNT and TBS don't
have wrestling anymore, I'll go wrestle
1008
01:05:34,650 --> 01:05:37,410
Japan or back to potentially WWE.
1009
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:38,670
I didn't dwell on it.
1010
01:05:39,610 --> 01:05:42,370
I had a guaranteed contract of a lot of
money.
1011
01:05:43,150 --> 01:05:46,290
You got all that money coming in, you
don't have to go to work, which wasn't
1012
01:05:46,290 --> 01:05:48,470
good for me for almost three more years.
1013
01:05:49,090 --> 01:05:51,010
It got really bad.
1014
01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:52,310
He was a mess.
1015
01:05:53,850 --> 01:05:59,690
I cleaned my life up with God's help,
and now I was able to try to help him.
1016
01:06:01,930 --> 01:06:05,590
There was no, no getting through to him.
1017
01:06:08,830 --> 01:06:11,830
At that phase, Elizabeth had moved to
Atlanta.
1018
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:13,520
I was seeing her more.
1019
01:06:14,460 --> 01:06:18,040
She was on one side of town. My wife and
family were on the other side of town
1020
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:19,040
in Atlanta.
1021
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,580
My marriage disintegrated.
1022
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:26,760
My wife realized that I had been seeing
Elizabeth.
1023
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:30,980
She tried to give me a second chance, a
third chance.
1024
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,620
I let her down every time.
1025
01:06:34,020 --> 01:06:35,740
I was not making good decisions.
1026
01:06:37,340 --> 01:06:40,960
I hung out with them, and I was around
them a lot, so I knew they were going
1027
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:41,960
hard.
1028
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:48,020
Elizabeth turned into a different
person, as drugs will often do to
1029
01:06:48,320 --> 01:06:54,440
Things continued in a steady downward
spiral. More alcohol, more drugs.
1030
01:06:57,940 --> 01:07:02,840
It was tough because Lex got lost in the
booze at that time.
1031
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,580
I had my first arrest.
1032
01:07:07,500 --> 01:07:11,240
I got pulled over, they said, under the
influence. I had just a couple beers.
1033
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,840
They gave me a breathalyzer. I passed
it, but they felt that I was on
1034
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,640
else, which I was. I popped a few pills.
1035
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,780
Never did I imagine I'd ever be in jail.
1036
01:07:22,660 --> 01:07:26,740
First of over, I don't know how many,
maybe a dozen or more arrests after
1037
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:33,140
One of the neighbors called the police
for domestic disturbance.
1038
01:07:35,540 --> 01:07:39,460
Both Liz and I were shocked that I got
arrested.
1039
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:46,360
I mean, we had an argument, but I've
learned now from law enforcement, when
1040
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,680
come to a domestic dispute, they usually
end up taking somebody in.
1041
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:54,260
And so I went in, and that, you know,
that stuck.
1042
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:02,840
And so I was making a lot of really bad
decisions, selfish decisions at that
1043
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:03,578
time in my life.
1044
01:08:03,580 --> 01:08:04,800
Things were really...
1045
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,600
Still, I wouldn't have admitted it at
the time, but really going to a dark
1046
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:11,980
and really getting out of control in a
bad way.
1047
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:14,820
We were
1048
01:08:14,820 --> 01:08:24,979
watching
1049
01:08:24,979 --> 01:08:28,800
some movies and went drinking, popping
some pills. I hadn't been there most of
1050
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,080
the day. Actually, our cleaning lady was
at the townhouse we were at together.
1051
01:08:35,210 --> 01:08:39,710
She thought Liz was fine, and I didn't
know what she'd been doing, whether
1052
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:42,990
been drinking or doing her day, but she
seemed fine.
1053
01:08:45,350 --> 01:08:52,250
One minute, we were at the microwave
heating up some food, and I brought hers
1054
01:08:52,250 --> 01:08:55,670
over to her, went and heated mine up. By
the time I got back from the microwave,
1055
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:59,229
10 feet away, she was what I thought was
asleep on the couch.
1056
01:09:00,189 --> 01:09:03,250
And I thought that was strange and asked
her, hey.
1057
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,700
I asked her to, hey, Liz, wake up. Your
food's going to get cold. And she didn't
1058
01:09:07,700 --> 01:09:13,020
respond. So I knew, well, that's
strange. So I got up, and she's maybe
1059
01:09:13,020 --> 01:09:15,660
feet away, and tried to shake her, and
she didn't respond.
1060
01:09:17,020 --> 01:09:20,200
And I immediately called 911.
1061
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,580
I was panicked.
1062
01:09:23,020 --> 01:09:26,200
She's laying on the floor. I've tried to
pick her up. I've tried to... Okay,
1063
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:29,680
what I want you to do, I want you to go
over and see if she's breathing.
1064
01:09:30,890 --> 01:09:33,970
Sal, please send somebody here who knows
what they're doing.
1065
01:09:34,569 --> 01:09:36,930
Listen to me. You have got to help her.
1066
01:09:37,630 --> 01:09:42,490
Lean down. I'm trying. I've been trying
to help her. Lean down and check and see
1067
01:09:42,490 --> 01:09:45,550
if she's breathing. Look at her chest.
See if it's rising.
1068
01:09:45,810 --> 01:09:47,710
It doesn't look like it is. I'm scared
to death.
1069
01:09:51,029 --> 01:09:55,770
When the ambulance gets there and they
wheel her out on the gurney and put her
1070
01:09:55,770 --> 01:09:59,070
back in the ambulance, you just figure
everything's going to be okay.
1071
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:04,920
Police were called here about 5 .30 in
the morning. A 911 call said a woman was
1072
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,640
unresponsive. A few minutes later, by
the time she arrived at Kennetstone
1073
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,240
Hospital, the woman was dead.
1074
01:10:13,140 --> 01:10:18,660
The moment I found out that she had
passed, all I remember was it was just
1075
01:10:18,660 --> 01:10:20,740
shock. I remember it was hot.
1076
01:10:21,020 --> 01:10:24,580
I was overheated. I was dehydrated. I
felt like I was going to pass out.
1077
01:10:30,060 --> 01:10:35,480
My feelings at that moment, just total
disbelief and shock that she didn't make
1078
01:10:35,480 --> 01:10:36,480
it.
1079
01:10:36,540 --> 01:10:40,920
He called me freaking out in tears.
1080
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:42,580
Stinger, Stinger.
1081
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:45,240
Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
1082
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,540
She's gone. She's gone. She died. She
died.
1083
01:10:48,820 --> 01:10:52,320
I don't know what I'm going to do. You
know, my life is over.
1084
01:10:56,010 --> 01:10:59,690
I knew, because we talked about it,
like, he was really in love with her. I
1085
01:10:59,690 --> 01:11:01,230
mean, he'd have done anything for her.
1086
01:11:01,630 --> 01:11:04,490
And it really took him down when she
passed.
1087
01:11:05,810 --> 01:11:10,050
It mentally destroyed him for a long
time.
1088
01:11:14,530 --> 01:11:21,070
I was devastated, and I was angry as
hell at Lex, which is really immature on
1089
01:11:21,070 --> 01:11:22,230
part, because...
1090
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:25,770
She made her own decisions and choices.
She was an adult woman.
1091
01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:33,390
I felt that Lex took advantage of her
and influenced her, you know, and maybe
1092
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:36,970
took her down that path. I blamed Lex
for a long time.
1093
01:11:38,610 --> 01:11:42,390
After I found out, sitting out front of
my townhouse, that she didn't make it,
1094
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:44,650
they arrested me on drug charges.
1095
01:11:45,010 --> 01:11:49,090
Police say his arrest is not connected
to Ms. Elizabeth's death, but what
1096
01:11:49,090 --> 01:11:51,130
investigators found inside the
townhouse.
1097
01:11:51,630 --> 01:11:54,290
Fole is charged with violating the
Controlled Substance Act.
1098
01:11:54,510 --> 01:11:57,750
The charges are spelled out in the new
arrest warrant. Lawrence Fole, better
1099
01:11:57,750 --> 01:12:02,050
known as Lex Luger, accused of
possessing and selling drugs, drugs like
1100
01:12:02,050 --> 01:12:04,210
steroids and Sazen, a growth hormone.
1101
01:12:05,650 --> 01:12:10,750
Marriage fell apart, divorce, a horrible
impact on my children.
1102
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:18,250
My life had become a total train wreck,
and I always think I could pull it back
1103
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:19,250
together.
1104
01:12:19,580 --> 01:12:21,300
Do one more big run in the ring.
1105
01:12:22,500 --> 01:12:25,120
These people come to see Lex Luger, no
doubt.
1106
01:12:25,700 --> 01:12:30,900
The total package has been making a hot
trailblazing path on the independent
1107
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:35,440
scene. My body was starting to break
down a little bit. 15 years of high
1108
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:40,120
college pro football and 15 years of
wrestling, almost 5 ,000 matches. Luger
1109
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:41,079
the ropes.
1110
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,720
Both men trying for a clothesline and
stumble.
1111
01:12:44,740 --> 01:12:46,680
I think Luger got the better of that
one.
1112
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,580
Dan arrogance, ignorance.
1113
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:53,900
not realizing that I was in a big -time
life -and -death struggle with drugs and
1114
01:12:53,900 --> 01:12:56,780
alcohol. And I kept on thinking I could
end it any time I wanted.
1115
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,000
More pills, more alcohol.
1116
01:12:59,300 --> 01:13:02,340
The exact opposite of what you would
have thought might have been a wake -up
1117
01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:03,340
call.
1118
01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:10,340
I actually received a five -year
sentence for the drugs and did some jail
1119
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:16,800
got back out, went back to the same
lifestyle, but even worse.
1120
01:13:17,570 --> 01:13:22,030
Luger, or Fole as he's known, was
arrested on DUI charges, open container,
1121
01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:25,630
proof of insurance, alteration of a tag,
and an expired tag.
1122
01:13:26,550 --> 01:13:32,350
Lex was all over the news in Atlanta,
and it was just mind -boggling to me how
1123
01:13:32,350 --> 01:13:33,470
far he had fallen.
1124
01:13:35,250 --> 01:13:39,530
I was living out of a hotel room, so all
those mansions and all that stuff
1125
01:13:39,530 --> 01:13:44,770
there, I was renting a hotel room to do
my community service, and I'd do that
1126
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:46,110
during the day and go back and get high.
1127
01:13:47,630 --> 01:13:50,790
I wouldn't answer the phone for anybody,
my own family, my best friend.
1128
01:13:51,850 --> 01:13:53,610
Really, really dark five -year period.
1129
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:58,330
There was moments I didn't care whether
I woke up or not when things got really
1130
01:13:58,330 --> 01:13:59,330
dark.
1131
01:14:00,270 --> 01:14:05,730
In my cell, in a small jail cell by
myself, I actually contemplated climbing
1132
01:14:05,730 --> 01:14:06,870
to the top of the partition.
1133
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:08,850
There was a real high ceiling in there.
1134
01:14:09,450 --> 01:14:14,170
And standing up on the partition,
putting my hands behind my back because
1135
01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:15,370
everything was cement in there.
1136
01:14:16,030 --> 01:14:18,150
and just falling headfirst, and maybe I
can end it.
1137
01:14:21,650 --> 01:14:28,130
I was the jail chaplain for 28 years at
the Cobb County Adult Detention Center,
1138
01:14:28,270 --> 01:14:35,010
and he had been arrested a few times,
and he really, in my
1139
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:37,030
opinion, he looked beat down.
1140
01:14:38,550 --> 01:14:40,150
And he was kind of scary.
1141
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:43,030
He kept on trying to...
1142
01:14:43,670 --> 01:14:48,670
Knocked on the window of my jail cell
and come see me. I finally was so bored
1143
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:49,670
gave in.
1144
01:14:49,850 --> 01:14:54,470
He told me when I got out that he wanted
me to help him get in shape again.
1145
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:59,090
When he was released, I found him at a
gym.
1146
01:15:00,390 --> 01:15:03,070
At first, he tried to get rid of me.
1147
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:07,450
I'm going to make him so sore tomorrow
at the gym that he'll never set foot in
1148
01:15:07,450 --> 01:15:08,450
the gym again.
1149
01:15:10,390 --> 01:15:12,330
I couldn't get rid of Pastor Steve.
1150
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,900
So I began to just slowly win his trust.
1151
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:23,920
And I kept on thinking, how did he ever
ask me to come to church? And finally,
1152
01:15:24,180 --> 01:15:27,460
he popped a big question. He wanted me
to come to a Sunday night service.
1153
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,120
And I went to his church service, and
there in front of the church, I never
1154
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,940
him before in person, but after Marvin
J. Frady.
1155
01:15:40,380 --> 01:15:42,060
And Lex came to hear Doc.
1156
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,720
My husband of 64 beautiful years.
1157
01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:51,560
And for the first time ever in his life,
he came to our little church and sat on
1158
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,800
the back pew. He was scared to death.
1159
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:59,920
Doc preached on, is your house built on
the rock or the sand?
1160
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,160
And man, did he hit me.
1161
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:07,900
My whole life here.
1162
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:14,000
I'd been just frittering it away on
money and stuff, and I was building my
1163
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:19,180
life on sinking sand. I had a vision of
all my mansions and money and fame and
1164
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:21,360
stuff being on a beach and being washed
away.
1165
01:16:24,580 --> 01:16:27,000
My life really had no true purpose or
meaning.
1166
01:16:29,220 --> 01:16:33,040
I went back to my hotel that night,
couldn't eat, couldn't sleep. I called
1167
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,020
Pastor Steve up and said, man, something
happened to me.
1168
01:16:36,850 --> 01:16:42,350
He came to my hotel room, April 23,
2006, and shared the plan of salvation
1169
01:16:42,350 --> 01:16:44,010
me, the plan that God has for all of us.
1170
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:47,630
And I asked him, what do I got to do? He
said, you got to get down on your knees
1171
01:16:47,630 --> 01:16:48,750
and pray. I'd never done that in my
life.
1172
01:16:51,610 --> 01:16:53,430
When I got down on that couch, I was
weeping.
1173
01:16:54,650 --> 01:17:00,150
And make a full commitment to come clean
and ask for forgiveness and ask Jesus
1174
01:17:00,150 --> 01:17:01,150
to come into my heart.
1175
01:17:02,130 --> 01:17:06,010
I actually saw, when he prayed to Jesus,
a physical.
1176
01:17:06,700 --> 01:17:08,980
It was almost like he was in pain.
1177
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,060
I felt instant peace and serenity.
People ask, did you feel anything? I go,
1178
01:17:14,180 --> 01:17:17,680
I felt like I kind of got power washed
from inside out by the Holy Spirit.
1179
01:17:18,260 --> 01:17:23,540
And I felt a peace and serenity that I'd
never felt in my entire life, my first
1180
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:25,420
47 years of my life at that moment.
1181
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:30,800
And my life was forever changed from
that moment forward in a good way.
1182
01:17:36,629 --> 01:17:37,629
different in him.
1183
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:44,470
I was able to literally baptize him and
watch his life change.
1184
01:17:45,570 --> 01:17:48,110
It was a really powerful moment for
Steve and I.
1185
01:17:48,670 --> 01:17:53,510
We were like reunited as now, not just
friends, but brothers in Christ.
1186
01:17:54,610 --> 01:17:58,970
In the book of Proverbs, it talks about
how a friend is a friend at all times.
1187
01:17:59,090 --> 01:18:01,710
That describes my relationship with
Steve.
1188
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,440
Lex, who is the real total package?
1189
01:18:05,700 --> 01:18:10,140
After a long trip, I found that, praise
the Lord God, it's a real total package.
1190
01:18:10,220 --> 01:18:14,660
Now I'm an ambassador soldier for our
Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and God.
1191
01:18:17,020 --> 01:18:18,240
I'm part of his team.
1192
01:18:20,540 --> 01:18:26,280
The first month after I got saved, I had
godly remorse for my past, and I knew
1193
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:27,280
what real sorrow was.
1194
01:18:27,690 --> 01:18:30,610
I was, like, crying all the time until I
talked to Dr. Frady one time. He said,
1195
01:18:30,650 --> 01:18:31,890
Lex, you got to let go of the past.
1196
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:34,770
Those bells have been rung. You can't
unring them.
1197
01:18:36,990 --> 01:18:41,270
I'm not talking about the obvious and
negative things that affected other
1198
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:42,270
in my life.
1199
01:18:42,430 --> 01:18:46,390
I would never diminish or disrespect
that. I understand their feelings.
1200
01:18:46,930 --> 01:18:49,350
But I had to forgive myself to move
forward.
1201
01:18:51,730 --> 01:18:55,390
I look back on devastation with my own
children.
1202
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,860
The relationship I don't have with them,
understandable.
1203
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,120
There's consequences for the things we
did in the past.
1204
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,020
I always hold out hope for that in the
future at some point.
1205
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:09,160
Because they don't really know their new
dad.
1206
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:19,640
After he had gotten saved and after he
had gone through this, I was excited.
1207
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:26,600
To see Lex because we're both going to
be at this show in San Francisco.
1208
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:32,000
The promoter called me and he said, can
I meet you at Lex's room?
1209
01:19:32,460 --> 01:19:34,860
He's had some kind of stroke. I'm like,
what?
1210
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,320
I had not seen Lex in years.
1211
01:19:42,220 --> 01:19:45,400
And after Elizabeth.
1212
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:51,320
The drinking and the driving and
arrests, I mean, this is not Lex Luger.
1213
01:19:52,060 --> 01:19:58,440
After he had gotten saved and after he'd
gone through this, I was excited to see
1214
01:19:58,440 --> 01:20:04,420
Lex because we're both going to be,
actually there's like 80 guys going to
1215
01:20:04,420 --> 01:20:06,580
this show in San Francisco.
1216
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,860
He got on the plane and went from
Atlanta to San Francisco, five -hour
1217
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,000
I did a heavy shoulder trap and neck
workout the night before and got in the
1218
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,700
airplane with my head turned at an
unusual angle.
1219
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:21,060
He was in conversation.
1220
01:20:22,180 --> 01:20:26,660
He had his neck craned the whole time,
and at the end of the flight, felt
1221
01:20:26,660 --> 01:20:27,940
stiffness in his neck.
1222
01:20:32,540 --> 01:20:37,480
I woke up the next morning with a
stabbing, searing pain in my shoulder
1223
01:20:37,480 --> 01:20:38,480
and realized I couldn't move.
1224
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,580
He didn't realize. I thought maybe it
was dehydrated. I was paralyzed from
1225
01:20:42,580 --> 01:20:43,580
down.
1226
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:49,160
I go down and I grab, you know, Lex up
and the other EMT grabs him and we put
1227
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:54,700
him in there and didn't really notice
that he wasn't really being able to
1228
01:20:55,500 --> 01:20:59,820
They're not sure what caused it, but
there definitely was massive swelling
1229
01:20:59,820 --> 01:21:03,460
my C5 and my cervical area down to T5,
which is about mid chest level.
1230
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,900
And they can't really explain how it
happened or why.
1231
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,600
And they don't know whether.
1232
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:13,220
Maybe some of the bone spurs pierced
that central cord that we've got to keep
1233
01:21:13,220 --> 01:21:14,220
protected.
1234
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,260
They saw a little bit of spinal stenosis
in there.
1235
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:22,500
The prognosis was he couldn't move
hardly anything.
1236
01:21:23,580 --> 01:21:25,820
They flew him to the Shepherd Center.
1237
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:29,940
So for like a whole year, he lived in a
bed.
1238
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:36,640
It was a scary thing to find out that he
was paralyzed like that and the way it
1239
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:37,599
went down.
1240
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,160
Then to watch his progress, he came back
over time.
1241
01:21:41,300 --> 01:21:45,460
Watching him do his therapy, I can
remember in the very, very beginning, he
1242
01:21:45,460 --> 01:21:47,740
in a chair and they had him tied here.
1243
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:54,840
And they had to untie him for a few
moments to, I forget what they were
1244
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,980
to do, but I can remember he literally
fell uncontrollably like this forward.
1245
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,500
And I reached out to catch him and I put
him back up like this.
1246
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,600
I literally fed him with a fork.
1247
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,440
Because he couldn't feed himself.
1248
01:22:11,940 --> 01:22:12,940
Unbelievable.
1249
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,560
I was stunned by it.
1250
01:22:18,360 --> 01:22:25,220
You know, he's got a great physique and
must have been such a challenge
1251
01:22:25,220 --> 01:22:26,220
to overcome.
1252
01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:33,240
I was like, Lord, I don't know how to
live this way. So either bring me home
1253
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,120
heaven or teach me how to live this way,
man.
1254
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:38,170
He showed me the way. He was the light
through all that.
1255
01:22:39,190 --> 01:22:42,910
And I had really a miraculous recovery.
I'm not 100%, obviously.
1256
01:22:44,570 --> 01:22:48,430
I can live independently and feed and
bathe myself and dress myself.
1257
01:22:50,370 --> 01:22:54,090
I'm like their 1 % of people with an
injury like mine.
1258
01:22:56,010 --> 01:22:59,010
Never got the big muscles back, but
still go to the gym a little bit.
1259
01:23:00,630 --> 01:23:02,930
I still love going in and mentoring the
young guys.
1260
01:23:04,650 --> 01:23:05,650
Get 10 if you can.
1261
01:23:06,490 --> 01:23:08,090
Lake started training me in the gym.
1262
01:23:08,570 --> 01:23:12,150
He started giving me his personal
workout plan and what he ate.
1263
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:15,390
A lot of people made me who I was.
1264
01:23:16,290 --> 01:23:19,390
I may not have the appreciation back
then I should have, but a lot of people
1265
01:23:19,390 --> 01:23:20,390
worked with me.
1266
01:23:20,410 --> 01:23:24,150
People who I wanted to be in life. I
feel now I can work with guys like
1267
01:23:24,150 --> 01:23:26,050
and help them get to where they want in
life.
1268
01:23:26,610 --> 01:23:28,850
Kind of like a life coach, I guess.
1269
01:23:31,910 --> 01:23:33,250
Now I was trying to give back.
1270
01:23:33,790 --> 01:23:35,850
for everything that he took or stole.
1271
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:42,490
For 30 years, I was all about Lex, me,
myself, and I.
1272
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:49,350
God's shown me personally that our true
strength comes through him, from the
1273
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:51,850
inside out, not from the outside in.
1274
01:23:52,930 --> 01:23:58,230
A guy who took such pride in his
physique, and he was such a physical
1275
01:23:58,550 --> 01:24:01,310
and now to be the opposite of that.
1276
01:24:01,690 --> 01:24:05,190
And then to be around wrestling fans, in
my mind, I thought, oh, that must be
1277
01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:06,190
hard.
1278
01:24:06,630 --> 01:24:08,790
And then I look at him, he's beaming.
1279
01:24:10,090 --> 01:24:16,710
He is more cheerful and more friendly
than he ever was
1280
01:24:16,710 --> 01:24:19,790
when he was making all that money, when
he looked like a million dollars.
1281
01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:24,270
If I knew now what God's taught me now,
I could have been a much better leader
1282
01:24:24,270 --> 01:24:27,450
in the locker room. I would have a much
better person to be around, much more
1283
01:24:27,450 --> 01:24:28,750
positive, much more encouraging.
1284
01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:31,280
I think about it all the time.
1285
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,140
Here he is, Lex Lugar.
1286
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:38,400
Sometimes you don't realize what we had
until it's gone.
1287
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,960
This is the finest physical specimen in
professional sports today.
1288
01:24:44,260 --> 01:24:49,020
Looking back on my career, there's a lot
of cool, defining moments in my 15
1289
01:24:49,020 --> 01:24:50,080
-year wrestling career for sure.
1290
01:24:52,500 --> 01:24:56,600
I think of some of my heroes in the
wrestling business, there's very few
1291
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,380
are on the same level that Lex was.
1292
01:25:00,460 --> 01:25:04,460
I don't talk about him as being a
tragedy because I see him now, and I see
1293
01:25:04,460 --> 01:25:05,600
guy that is so humbled.
1294
01:25:06,420 --> 01:25:08,720
But I wish he hadn't had to go through
so much.
1295
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,500
Your heart breaks a little bit for
somebody that you know and somebody
1296
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:14,380
friend that had to go through what he
went through.
1297
01:25:14,980 --> 01:25:17,880
But on the other hand, he came out of it
stronger than ever.
1298
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,700
He staked our careers on never, ever
backing away from a challenge.
1299
01:25:23,940 --> 01:25:27,660
His enthusiasm for life is remarkable.
1300
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,480
I want to be like that.
1301
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:33,780
There's a verse in the Bible that said,
I've finished the race, I have fought
1302
01:25:33,780 --> 01:25:34,780
the good fight.
1303
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:38,720
This is the total package, Lex Luger.
1304
01:25:40,500 --> 01:25:42,040
I guess that's how I'd like to be
remembered.
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