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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,300 When you begin to write the story of your life, sometimes it's best to forego 2 00:00:17,300 --> 00:00:21,540 grand plan and just put pen to paper. 3 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,160 A lot of times, I'll just go back and think about all the questions I was 4 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,340 over those 20 years. 5 00:00:32,340 --> 00:00:33,340 Does it hurt? 6 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,420 Are you some sort of psychopath? 7 00:00:43,860 --> 00:00:47,580 Some sort of masochist? 8 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,400 You seem like such a normal guy. 9 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Why would you do that to yourself? 10 00:00:59,300 --> 00:01:02,320 I used to answer all those questions the same way. 11 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:04,560 I'm Nick Foley. 12 00:01:07,690 --> 00:01:09,090 This is what I do. 13 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:16,870 But June 28, 1998, that was the first time I came face to face with my own 14 00:01:16,870 --> 00:01:17,870 mortality. 15 00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:25,490 And now I was the one asking the question, is it worth it? 16 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,220 Our neighborhood was a great place. 17 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,400 It was small, but we had some close -knit families. 18 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,000 My parents have been here for almost 60 years. 19 00:01:55,060 --> 00:01:58,960 Really, it hasn't changed that much. It still looks like a good place to grow 20 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:59,960 up. 21 00:02:00,420 --> 00:02:05,640 My mom and dad used to always use the word sweet to describe my demeanor. 22 00:02:07,060 --> 00:02:10,419 I wasn't like a tough kid or a bad kid. 23 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:11,920 I was a sweet kid. 24 00:02:13,920 --> 00:02:16,020 To me, this was an idyllic childhood. 25 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:21,260 I would leave at 9, 9 .30 a .m. We were swimming, playing frisbee, playing 26 00:02:21,260 --> 00:02:25,380 wiffle ball, basketball, football in the street, and my mom would ring a bell 27 00:02:25,380 --> 00:02:27,620 for us when it was time to eat dinner. 28 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:31,660 We just got into so much trouble, but, you know, good trouble. 29 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,000 When I was 8 years old, we were playing kill the guy with the ball. That was an 30 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,929 actual game. 31 00:02:37,930 --> 00:02:42,750 In diving for someone who had the ball, their heel kicked me in the bottom of 32 00:02:42,750 --> 00:02:47,890 the lip, and it bled profusely. And I remember seeing the reactions of people 33 00:02:47,890 --> 00:02:52,130 when they saw my blood and not disliking it. 34 00:02:53,430 --> 00:02:55,530 My dad worked long hours. 35 00:02:56,570 --> 00:03:00,970 He was the director of health, physical education, and recreation for the entire 36 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:01,970 school district. 37 00:03:04,650 --> 00:03:06,890 I was pretty shy in high school. 38 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:13,420 I was playing football and basketball, lacrosse, and I was definitely living in 39 00:03:13,420 --> 00:03:19,160 the shadow of my dad, trying to break out. I was becoming a peculiar young 40 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,540 very imaginative, very creative. 41 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,340 It's funny because he wasn't a macho, tough guy. He was just, he was a gentle 42 00:03:28,340 --> 00:03:33,260 spirit. I was a running back on the football team, and they said they needed 43 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:34,260 another heavyweight. 44 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:38,640 I would wrestle with Mick every day. You know, we were in there training 45 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,360 together and just kind of beating each other up, and it was a blast. We had a 46 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,360 lot of fun. 47 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,560 He was quirky. 48 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,480 Always a weird look, weird haircut. 49 00:03:47,780 --> 00:03:51,400 One of the parades, he was on a prom float and all that. He was just crazy. 50 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,180 You're gross. Everybody thinks you're disgusting. 51 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,560 You wear the same clothes every day. You never comb your hair. You're fat. 52 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,320 You're an animal. 53 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,840 You're the body of a bowling pin. 54 00:04:01,290 --> 00:04:05,630 I guess I've always been self -deprecating. I was never really 55 00:04:05,630 --> 00:04:10,430 the way I looked, especially physically. I was always heavyset. And I got teased 56 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:15,370 a lot about it. So I was beating people to the punchline before they could make 57 00:04:15,370 --> 00:04:16,709 their own punchline about me. 58 00:04:18,589 --> 00:04:20,690 Was that a tough period for you and your dad? 59 00:04:21,810 --> 00:04:22,810 Yeah, it was. 60 00:04:24,150 --> 00:04:28,110 We both struggled a little bit to find ways to... 61 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,100 and it was really wrestling. 62 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,340 That was like the glue that held that relationship together through that three 63 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:40,820 -year period. That was the one thing, you know, maybe we didn't get along the 64 00:04:40,820 --> 00:04:45,360 rest of the week, but when it came time Saturday night, you know, hey, Dad, you 65 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,200 want to watch wrestling with me? And the answer was always yes. 66 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:56,080 You know, when we were kids, if you watched Ivan Putski and, you know, Billy 67 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,600 Graham and Andre the Giant, all these wrestlers had something. 68 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,440 Mickey didn't have any of those qualities, none of them. 69 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,760 We would go outside, film little matches. 70 00:05:15,470 --> 00:05:21,430 And I think I gave you a backbreaker and someone snapped the twig. And then I 71 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:22,430 did the convulsions. 72 00:05:22,850 --> 00:05:26,630 I had 73 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:33,630 it on my mind all the 74 00:05:33,630 --> 00:05:37,410 time. It's really all I wanted to do or watch was professional wrestling. 75 00:05:41,170 --> 00:05:42,550 You walk out these doors. 76 00:05:43,340 --> 00:05:44,760 And you're in the heart of the Big Apple. 77 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,860 The whole world revolves. 78 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:51,920 And my thoughts revolve around how I snuck up in a cage. 79 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:56,320 Jimmy Superfly snuck at the end of the Magnificent Morocco. 80 00:05:56,660 --> 00:06:01,400 I had a great feud, and it culminated with a steel cage match, and I knew, 81 00:06:01,420 --> 00:06:03,620 I absolutely had to be there. 82 00:06:05,340 --> 00:06:09,840 I was going to college in upstate New York, but I hitchhiked to be there and 83 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,440 paid for a seat right up front. 84 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,860 And I just vividly remember the way I felt when Superfly gets up to the top 85 00:06:17,860 --> 00:06:20,020 rope. You could feel that buzz, right? 86 00:06:20,740 --> 00:06:25,160 Which is good, but we all felt like there was something better. 87 00:06:43,980 --> 00:06:47,420 And even though I'm all by myself, I now feel like I'm in a community, like 88 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:49,280 there's a feeling of togetherness. 89 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:55,480 I remember thinking to myself that one day I wanted to make people feel the way 90 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,300 that I felt right then. 91 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,520 I went back to school, and when I told my housemates that I wanted to be a 92 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,880 wrestler, they all called me a weirdo. 93 00:07:05,740 --> 00:07:09,980 I told my parents, too, and they actually supported the idea, but it 94 00:07:09,980 --> 00:07:12,240 something they would allow me to drop out of school for. 95 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,920 So even though I was obsessed with this wrestling dream, I still tried to have a 96 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,120 normal college life. 97 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:24,340 There was a young lady I was really fond of, and you could see it in her smile, 98 00:07:24,340 --> 00:07:28,860 like her face would light up when she saw me. And I walked this young lady 99 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,860 I believe we held hands, and I think there was a nice parting kiss. 100 00:07:35,100 --> 00:07:40,640 And I said to her, I had such a good time. Joanne, she looked at me and said, 101 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,200 had a good time too, Frank. 102 00:07:43,020 --> 00:07:45,420 and I just felt my little heart break. 103 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,860 I had no way to deal with the pain that I felt except to write this story. 104 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:56,940 And when I got home for summer break, my friends and I recorded The Legend of 105 00:07:56,940 --> 00:07:57,739 Frank Foley. 106 00:07:57,740 --> 00:07:59,460 I had a good time tonight. Thanks a lot, Frank. 107 00:08:01,140 --> 00:08:02,140 My name is Mick. 108 00:08:02,380 --> 00:08:03,640 Oh, I'm sorry. Good night, Mick. 109 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:18,340 So I create this fictional character of Dude Love who is essentially everything 110 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:19,340 that I was not. 111 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Let me tell you something about me. 112 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:28,280 I am the molten lava of lust, the object so many women's desires long ago I 113 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:29,280 refused to count them all. 114 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,419 It was a fairy tale. It was Dude Love, one of the greatest performers in the 115 00:08:34,419 --> 00:08:35,419 history of wrestling. 116 00:08:35,710 --> 00:08:39,610 I may have been kicked around as Fat Mick Foley, Fat Ugly Mick Foley, Mick 117 00:08:39,610 --> 00:08:42,530 with no chicks, but let me tell you something now. I'm telling you people 118 00:08:42,530 --> 00:08:46,350 the audience, out there in TV Wonderland, Dude Love is another name 119 00:08:46,570 --> 00:08:50,190 And I will get that respect, brother. I need respect. 120 00:08:50,690 --> 00:08:56,670 And I found that I was more natural. Like, I was portraying a character, but 121 00:08:56,670 --> 00:08:57,670 wasn't acting. 122 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,660 I was feeling it. My brother says, hey, Teddy, we're doing a movie about Mickey 123 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:03,740 as a wrestler, and we need you for a scene. 124 00:09:04,100 --> 00:09:07,560 For like 15 minutes, you're going to wrestle Mickey in the backyard. I'm 125 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,920 okay. He tells me these different moves we're going to do, and then it's going 126 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,380 to finish by Mickey puts you down on this mattress, and he's going to jump 127 00:09:15,380 --> 00:09:16,380 the roof. 128 00:09:16,780 --> 00:09:20,520 I just remember thinking, that's got to be 20 feet high. I'm like, this is not a 129 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:21,520 good idea. 130 00:09:21,550 --> 00:09:23,970 And this is where the magic took place, right? Yeah. 131 00:09:24,450 --> 00:09:28,830 I stay 132 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:34,930 up there an inordinate amount of time trying to gather the courage. 133 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:40,970 Instead of leaping, I kind of just went like. 134 00:09:45,770 --> 00:09:49,650 You know, you're so lucky because when you watch that video, the matches, they 135 00:09:49,650 --> 00:09:54,310 separate. They separate, yeah. And you, you know, the roof is here, buddy. Want 136 00:09:54,310 --> 00:09:55,310 one more try? 137 00:09:55,890 --> 00:09:57,350 Absolutely not. 138 00:09:58,730 --> 00:10:05,470 There was a charity wrestling event at the high school and Mick came to work 139 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:07,990 security on it. I was really fortunate. 140 00:10:08,230 --> 00:10:11,570 My dad told the promoter that his son wanted to be a wrestler. 141 00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:13,410 He pulled me aside. 142 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,540 and asked me if I wanted to join his ring crew. 143 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:22,240 And that meant when I went back to college, I would come down at about 250 144 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:27,300 drive, a couple weekends a month, and if I got the ring set up before the fans 145 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:31,220 arrived, he would have a veteran wrestler, Dominic DiNucci, work with me. 146 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:41,160 I did not like the pain. 147 00:10:41,660 --> 00:10:47,900 I liked the fact that I seemed to have a hold over it, and I had an ability to 148 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:51,220 make my opponents look good, and that was something that every promoter was 149 00:10:51,220 --> 00:10:52,220 looking for. 150 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,260 I turned pro after a year of training, and I was just awful. 151 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,300 It looked like a mating ritual of two bull elk. 152 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:10,680 I knew there was so much more I had to learn. 153 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,680 So on the weekends, I was working the independents, and I did that all the way 154 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:15,680 through graduation. 155 00:11:16,060 --> 00:11:23,060 It didn't matter to me that I was getting $10 for a 900 -mile round trip. 156 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,460 And while other college students are going on their spring break, I'm in 157 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,080 West Virginia, in front of 26 people because I could feel myself getting 158 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,240 every time I went out there. 159 00:11:34,660 --> 00:11:38,160 This was my life now, and anything was possible. 160 00:11:50,090 --> 00:11:55,870 I don't make it a point to practice my hygiene while leaning on somebody else's 161 00:11:55,870 --> 00:12:02,630 truck, but it's not the first time. Yeah, I mean, I've 162 00:12:02,630 --> 00:12:05,530 changed clothes many times in cars. 163 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:12,330 There was a place called the Admiral Perry Motor Lodge that was $15 a night 164 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:15,890 I broke in. I would stay there every Saturday night, but every Friday night 165 00:12:15,890 --> 00:12:16,890 car night. 166 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:21,370 And I would pull over no matter how cold it was. I had two sleeping bags in the 167 00:12:21,370 --> 00:12:22,430 backseat of my car. 168 00:12:23,150 --> 00:12:25,230 It felt pretty good to me. 169 00:12:27,850 --> 00:12:29,250 I wanted to be dude love. 170 00:12:29,790 --> 00:12:33,550 But I was realistic enough to know that I wasn't there yet. 171 00:12:33,770 --> 00:12:39,470 So I thought, let me just find the most generic, vanilla, homogenized name I 172 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:40,219 could find. 173 00:12:40,220 --> 00:12:46,200 From Truth or Consequences, New Mexico, 260 -pound Cactus Jack. 174 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:53,060 I remember being at my buddy Brian Hildebrandt at his house in Pittsburgh, 175 00:12:53,060 --> 00:12:56,880 he's got this insider wrestling newsletter I'd only heard rumor of. 176 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:00,180 And he goes, you're in it. I said, I'm in it. 177 00:13:02,740 --> 00:13:06,080 On every wrestling show, there's going to be a dozen, two dozen wrestlers. 178 00:13:07,359 --> 00:13:10,580 ones who do something spectacular that make when you go home you remember them, 179 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:13,500 those are the ones who stand out, and the rest of them kind of just blend in. 180 00:13:13,680 --> 00:13:18,080 And very quickly, he didn't blend in. He was a guy who you started hearing 181 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,580 things about, like, hey, this guy's having good matches. 182 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:22,900 I remember it to this day. 183 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:28,160 It's the Cactus Jacks, the best no -name independent wrestler on the scene. 184 00:13:28,500 --> 00:13:32,400 Like, that was some really, really high praise coming from the Wrestling 185 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Observer. The people in charge read it. 186 00:13:35,450 --> 00:13:38,470 And I had three offers within a week. 187 00:13:40,030 --> 00:13:42,930 That's how I became part of the Memphis wrestling territory. 188 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:44,429 Uh -oh. 189 00:13:44,430 --> 00:13:48,410 What is this, a new recruit for this guy? I know who he's talking about. 190 00:13:48,670 --> 00:13:53,210 Cactus Jack, welcome to the stable, Benny. This man right here is in the 191 00:13:53,290 --> 00:13:57,730 not because his name's Cactus Jack, but because he's tough, baby, and because he 192 00:13:57,730 --> 00:13:58,730 wins matches. 193 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,040 We got gorgeous Gary Young and Cactus Jack. Young out of Little Rock, 194 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,120 and Cactus Jack out of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. 195 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:15,880 Mick, from the very beginning, had a unique, not just aura about him, but he 196 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:16,880 a unique style. 197 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:20,000 And now, whips him, but it's reversed. 198 00:14:20,780 --> 00:14:24,140 Jack was right behind him. 199 00:14:24,340 --> 00:14:28,660 You know, nobody was making any money, so there wasn't necessarily a reason to 200 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:29,660 really go all out. 201 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,440 I wanted to be the guy who delivered moves that nobody else could do. 202 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:36,940 Even if it was as simple as saying, all right, back body drop. 203 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Yeah, 204 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:43,320 that's an impressive looking move in the ring. 205 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,100 Let's do it outside the ring. 206 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,400 We're genuinely concerned for Mick, like, Mick, don't take this crazy bump 207 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:08,060 tonight. Mick would have a fly grin, like, ah, thanks, but no thanks. 208 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,420 He was a good -hearted guy that would just give and give and give to the 209 00:15:13,420 --> 00:15:17,620 business. A lot of times guys that are like that get run over. 210 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,720 It was a great learning experience. 211 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:24,860 I didn't feel like I fit in, but I learned something every day. And it was 212 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:27,100 perfect stepping stone for a bigger opportunity. 213 00:15:29,290 --> 00:15:34,550 Listen to the fans cheer the superstars of pro wrestling. The greatest name in 214 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:38,570 professional wrestling today, the Von Eriks, have been for years. World class, 215 00:15:38,570 --> 00:15:41,910 always looking for villains for the Von Eriks boys. 216 00:15:45,830 --> 00:15:51,070 He didn't look like a Von Eriks. 217 00:15:51,390 --> 00:15:52,390 No. 218 00:15:52,710 --> 00:15:56,330 Robert Fuller says, you know, you remind me of Jacko. I said, who's that? He 219 00:15:56,330 --> 00:15:58,030 goes, you remind me of that Manson fella. 220 00:15:59,370 --> 00:16:04,430 I was like, Rob, I do not want to be associated with Charles Manson. 221 00:16:05,170 --> 00:16:09,070 He says, Jacko, not too many good paying jobs in this business. 222 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:13,150 Man like you could ride a good gimmick a long way. 223 00:16:13,970 --> 00:16:17,870 I decided I'm going to be this guy. I'm going to do the best job at being this 224 00:16:17,870 --> 00:16:18,990 guy that I can be. 225 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,520 About time, so here we go. 226 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,140 He is defeating young Doug Masters to death. 227 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:51,000 Your winner, ladies and gentlemen, Texas Jack Manson. 228 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,600 I remember seeing Texas Jack Manson. 229 00:16:56,480 --> 00:17:00,720 I was going to college at North Texas State University, and I would go down to 230 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:02,160 the sportatorium, and I was thinking, man. 231 00:17:05,290 --> 00:17:07,089 This guy's out of his mind. 232 00:17:10,589 --> 00:17:11,869 He was fun to watch. 233 00:17:13,890 --> 00:17:19,829 I mean, here was a guy that would take every kind of crazy bump imaginable. I 234 00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:24,089 thought I was a big bump guy at the time, and then when I saw Cactus Jack, I 235 00:17:24,089 --> 00:17:28,590 went, wow, this guy's got to be nuts or something, you know. Back in the day, he 236 00:17:28,590 --> 00:17:32,750 used to run down that apron and do that elbow off onto the guy on the floor. 237 00:17:46,060 --> 00:17:49,540 And he would just splatter himself down there, and you would hear this horrific 238 00:17:49,540 --> 00:17:50,540 thud. 239 00:17:53,660 --> 00:17:56,920 I would go to the cameraman. I would say, you know, when you shoot the elbow 240 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:02,540 drop over my shoulder, we're kind of losing the impressive perception of 241 00:18:03,360 --> 00:18:06,740 And the guy, what do you mean? I said, can we come in with a low camera shot? 242 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:11,320 And within a week or two, you know, it looks like I'm flying into people's 243 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:12,320 living rooms. 244 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,820 And I thought, well, I know how much it hurts to land in the ring. 245 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:27,700 How is he doing that? 246 00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:33,800 I did think to myself, what if I created a style that had no loopholes, where no 247 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,220 one looking at a VHS tape, no matter how many times they fast -forwarded slow 248 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:40,540 motion, they could find a secret. 249 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,520 The secret is I was really getting hurt. 250 00:18:43,020 --> 00:18:47,660 Like, ta -da, there's my magician's secret. Like, yeah, if it looked like it 251 00:18:47,660 --> 00:18:48,680 hurt, it's because it did. 252 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:54,560 Gary Young pulls me aside and he says, they're putting us with General Skandor 253 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,780 Akbar. He was Devastation Incorporated. That was his group. 254 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:00,360 Oh, man. 255 00:19:00,580 --> 00:19:03,520 It was like having a rocket attached to our backs. 256 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,680 Hey, what's going on out here? 257 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,040 Someone called out from underneath the ring. 258 00:19:09,620 --> 00:19:11,320 It's practice Jack Benson. 259 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,400 I walked out to find that my tires had been slashed on my Plymouth Arrow. 260 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,500 I came back inside and I said, I don't know how I'm going to get home. 261 00:19:25,780 --> 00:19:29,500 Eric Embry goes, what did you say? I said, I don't know how I'm going to get 262 00:19:29,500 --> 00:19:32,380 home. He said, no, no, not that, not that. I don't really care about that. 263 00:19:33,020 --> 00:19:37,220 What else did you say? I said, all my tires have been slashed. He said, all of 264 00:19:37,220 --> 00:19:38,220 them? And I said. 265 00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:43,530 Yes. He looked at me and said, you've got good heat, brother. Like only in 266 00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:48,430 line of business could getting your tires slashed in the parking lot be seen 267 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:53,150 a compliment. We're always looking for the next star and we're always looking 268 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:56,670 beat the other promotions to grabbing the next stars. 269 00:19:57,130 --> 00:20:01,670 So when Nick was generating that type of buzz in Texas, everybody in the 270 00:20:01,670 --> 00:20:02,670 industry noticed. 271 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:13,360 Did you lose your teeth? 272 00:20:14,140 --> 00:20:20,540 Yeah, I've lost two sets of teeth. I lost these top ones in a car accident. 273 00:20:21,380 --> 00:20:25,300 And I was really concerned because I just started working for WCW, and I was 274 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:28,380 worried that having no teeth was not going to be a good look. 275 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:33,700 As soon as I got back to work in WCW, Jim Ross took a look at it. He goes, I 276 00:20:33,700 --> 00:20:34,700 love the look. 277 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,020 He was a big teddy bear. 278 00:20:37,820 --> 00:20:40,140 Just this great big kid that had a great attitude. 279 00:20:40,860 --> 00:20:45,140 was happy to come to work, make no money, give him a hot dog, he's cool. 280 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,940 WCW was a crucial period for me. It was the number two wrestling company in the 281 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:53,880 world, and I was essentially there on a trial basis. 282 00:20:54,500 --> 00:20:58,580 We found out very quickly that Mick was not a typical pro wrestler who shows up 283 00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:00,420 for work waiting for you to tell him what to do. 284 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:02,400 He had ideas. 285 00:21:02,780 --> 00:21:07,640 I started building an audience by losing and attacking. 286 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:09,840 Partner after partner. 287 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:13,700 Kevin 288 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:21,900 Sullivan's 289 00:21:21,900 --> 00:21:24,800 my tag team partner. He looks for the tag and I'm reading a book. 290 00:21:27,180 --> 00:21:29,560 There it is. 291 00:21:35,660 --> 00:21:40,480 I was throwing so many things at the wall, and not all of it stuck, but a lot 292 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:41,480 it did. 293 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:47,340 I would have gladly stayed in WCW, but the top level and creative didn't care 294 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:48,340 for my style. 295 00:21:49,140 --> 00:21:54,020 So that meant moving back to Long Island, living with my parents, and 296 00:21:54,020 --> 00:21:55,020 independent circuit. 297 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,140 And the first show that I do is for Tommy D, my first promoter. 298 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:06,580 So he has me handing out flyers at the raceway in Riverhead, Long Island. 299 00:22:11,940 --> 00:22:16,540 While I'm handing out flyers, I see the most beautiful woman in my life. 300 00:22:16,820 --> 00:22:19,480 Like, I can't take my eyes off her. 301 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:28,190 I had never been to car racing. I was dreading it. I mean, it was not my cup 302 00:22:28,190 --> 00:22:34,970 tea. And then I saw this very unusual creature, big, strong, hairy guy 303 00:22:34,970 --> 00:22:40,910 signing some autographs. And I said, hello, I'm Cactus Jack. She said, who's 304 00:22:40,910 --> 00:22:41,910 Captain Jack? 305 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:44,570 She was not a fan. 306 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:48,250 The first thing that I saw were his eyes. 307 00:22:48,810 --> 00:22:52,090 Then he had all this moppy hair, which was adorable. 308 00:22:52,550 --> 00:22:54,370 I could see he was very innocent. 309 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:59,590 My friends saw us together. 310 00:23:00,510 --> 00:23:04,590 They said, either he's a drug dealer or he's rich. 311 00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:09,370 That was the woman I would go on to marry. 312 00:23:10,830 --> 00:23:15,710 When I started seeing his videos, some of the actions and behavior, I really 313 00:23:15,710 --> 00:23:18,750 didn't like being slapped in the face. 314 00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:24,430 She just thought I was capable of doing more, that I could be that guy at the 315 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:25,430 top of the card. 316 00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:29,670 And from that point on, every time I did an independent show, I was going to 317 00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:30,670 steal the show. 318 00:23:30,770 --> 00:23:34,810 Battling in the gymnasium, Cactus throws Eddie onto the bleachers. 319 00:23:35,090 --> 00:23:38,670 I would tear apart these high school gyms and leave it looking like a tornado 320 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:39,670 had gone by. 321 00:23:41,950 --> 00:23:47,250 Word started getting around to the point now where WCW is looking for credible 322 00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:52,790 heels to work with their top guy, Sting, and I get the phone call. 323 00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:57,090 People say, Sting, have you ever seen anybody who acts like they kind of like 324 00:23:57,090 --> 00:23:58,810 Payne? And I say, guess what? 325 00:23:59,030 --> 00:24:00,030 Yes! 326 00:24:00,950 --> 00:24:05,890 It came back as Cactus Jack, but it was a much different character, and it was 327 00:24:05,890 --> 00:24:08,230 mostly a question of confidence. 328 00:24:09,230 --> 00:24:10,430 Hello, Mommy! 329 00:24:11,290 --> 00:24:16,030 World Championship Wrestling has just given birth to a monster! 330 00:24:17,010 --> 00:24:20,270 That's got to be the most bizarre individual I've ever been around in 331 00:24:20,270 --> 00:24:21,249 Championship Wrestling. 332 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:22,490 He's a sociopath. He's a psychopath. 333 00:24:23,890 --> 00:24:26,430 Now you're tapping into Mick as an artist. 334 00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:32,630 And now Mick had an opportunity to show everyone just how ahead of the game he 335 00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:33,630 truly was. 336 00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:41,050 One of you little stingers, you watch your step, because I'll go up in those 337 00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:43,850 stands and I'll beat your parents up right in front of you. 338 00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:48,190 It was a shot in the arm to him. 339 00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:51,650 It was a career maker for me. 340 00:24:54,630 --> 00:25:00,270 I'd given people so much as a bad guy. It was almost like they could all 341 00:25:00,270 --> 00:25:05,170 simultaneously understand, this guy's doing a lot to entertain us. And there 342 00:25:05,170 --> 00:25:06,170 a connection there. 343 00:25:12,690 --> 00:25:14,910 Mick threw himself around to crazy bumps. 344 00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:16,710 Would do anything to get a match over. 345 00:25:18,850 --> 00:25:21,090 Even to this day, I don't like stuff like that. 346 00:25:22,510 --> 00:25:25,390 I said, you know, you're not going to be able to walk when you're 30 years old. 347 00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:28,450 You know what I mean? Don't do any of that. You don't need to. It's not 348 00:25:28,450 --> 00:25:29,450 wrestling. 349 00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:35,580 Is it hard? 350 00:25:35,660 --> 00:25:39,660 Do I respect it? Yeah. But that doesn't make you, you know. 351 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:45,320 How many tables, everybody's got Bruno San Martino on this. How many tables did 352 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,320 he ever go through? None. 353 00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:48,960 Did he ever fall off a ladder? None. 354 00:25:49,980 --> 00:25:51,640 But he's so sensitive. 355 00:25:51,860 --> 00:25:55,140 I went to him one time and I said, you don't need to do that every night. 356 00:25:55,940 --> 00:26:00,640 Sure, I was sensitive to that type of criticism because I felt like I knew 357 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:01,780 I was capable of doing. 358 00:26:02,540 --> 00:26:04,680 And I didn't feel like I'd even scratched the surface. 359 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:10,660 I wanted to prove people wrong. I wanted to prove that I could succeed, that I 360 00:26:10,660 --> 00:26:12,800 could be something special. 361 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,440 There's a cycle of life in wrestling. 362 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,640 The younger guys throw themselves around and do crazy things. And then the older 363 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,800 guys who are 35 and over who've been through that and feel it, they kind of 364 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,920 warn the younger guys, you really, you know, don't do this. 365 00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:28,300 And the young guys never listen. 366 00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,680 When I wrote my book, I said it. 367 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,560 You're a 300 -pound stuntman. 368 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,600 I wanted him to take it personally. 369 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:40,300 You know, his wife is beautiful. 370 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:42,280 Kids are young and beautiful. 371 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,200 You know, we get hurt enough. 372 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,360 I felt like in Germany, it was not a sold -out building. 373 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,800 And I had seen him take this bump that he learned from Dory Funk Jr. 374 00:27:02,370 --> 00:27:06,510 Dory would get his foot caught in the ropes. 375 00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:08,270 It was a really good -looking bump. 376 00:27:08,490 --> 00:27:10,330 And Mick now would get his head cut. 377 00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:12,470 You know, as crazy as Mick was, right? 378 00:27:13,810 --> 00:27:17,530 And I told him, I said, don't do that. We're in Germany. Nobody gives a shit. 379 00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:24,630 You know, we're trying to create the illusion of hanging by my neck. And the 380 00:27:24,630 --> 00:27:27,470 we create that illusion is, I'm actually going to hang by my neck. 381 00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:35,720 But on this night, I couldn't get the ropes apart. They were too tight. 382 00:27:36,420 --> 00:27:40,320 And I felt like I was a fox in a trap. 383 00:27:40,540 --> 00:27:45,820 You know, like, I've got to get out of this thing. And when I did, my right ear 384 00:27:45,820 --> 00:27:47,320 did not come with me. 385 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,040 Where were you, backstage? 386 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,620 I was watching it, yeah, and I was looking through the curtain. 387 00:27:58,700 --> 00:27:59,920 What was going through your head? 388 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,000 Stupid mother... You got nothing to prove. 389 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:23,680 When I'm on my way to the hospital, instead of being down about it, I'm 390 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,580 to myself, imagine the promos I can cut. 391 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Those were the words I said April 16th, 1994, 392 00:28:41,620 --> 00:28:48,340 as the ambulance pulled into the hospital in Munich, Germany. It means, 393 00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:51,420 forget to bring my ear and the plastic bag! 394 00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:53,880 Mick's like, okay. 395 00:28:54,510 --> 00:28:57,750 It's horrible I lost my ear, but, you know, me and Vader, we could have this 396 00:28:57,750 --> 00:29:01,010 rivalry that goes for years and years and years based on this. 397 00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:04,190 And, you know, Eric Bischoff didn't see that. 398 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:08,630 Stay with us. We'll be back. I'm Eric Bischoff for WCW This Week. 399 00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:15,610 His style was a real issue in WCW because Mick really wanted to do things 400 00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:17,410 were just too dangerous. 401 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:23,220 You know, flying off the balcony out onto a table next to the ring. 402 00:29:23,620 --> 00:29:27,100 Eh, it's not worth it. He was a liability. 403 00:29:28,380 --> 00:29:34,000 I'd worked too hard to leave my future in someone else's hands. And so without 404 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,340 consulting my wife and with two small children and a mortgage, I left a six 405 00:29:39,340 --> 00:29:43,040 -figure job to find a place where my talents would be a little bit more 406 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,040 appreciated. 407 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:55,080 When I left WCW, I knew there was wild organizations in Japan. 408 00:29:55,380 --> 00:29:58,080 Some people called them garbage wrestling, but I didn't think that was 409 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,800 appropriate. But blood and guts, yeah, that was an appropriate moniker. 410 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,680 Oh, man, there were some small crowds. 411 00:30:10,060 --> 00:30:14,100 While those ropes are being taken down, barbed wire is being put up in its 412 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:17,940 place. And for anybody wondering, like, real barbed wire? Like, this was Japan. 413 00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:20,110 They're sticklers for details. 414 00:30:20,850 --> 00:30:24,670 Cactus Jack, I think I saw, I guess it was Japan, like a death match. 415 00:30:24,910 --> 00:30:28,970 The IWA King of the Death match is the one tape I had to have. I wanted to see 416 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:31,810 this tournament, and I sought it out, and I got it, and I watched it. 417 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:33,190 It was pretty crazy. 418 00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:40,990 I remember seeing tapes of those matches, too, and I just couldn't 419 00:30:40,990 --> 00:30:41,990 I was seeing. 420 00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:44,530 They were different. 421 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:46,610 Did Colette worry? 422 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,900 Did she tell you, just please don't go out there and get killed in the ring? 423 00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:55,880 You do toughen up to that. 424 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,040 But I was always comfortable in his judgment. 425 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:08,260 It was just like, this guy is a psychopath. You know, what is the human 426 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:09,260 capable of? 427 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,980 I didn't really care for all this crazy crap. 428 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,720 Look, there's an audience for slasher movies. 429 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,540 There's an audience for horror movies. 430 00:31:21,900 --> 00:31:24,360 A lot of people really love that genre. 431 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,560 It's the performance I'm proudest of because it's where I suffered the most. 432 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:34,760 I mean, it was almost spiritual. 433 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,520 And the final is with Terry Funk. 434 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,780 The ring is laced with real barbed wire, and then among there, they've got C4 435 00:31:41,780 --> 00:31:42,780 explosives. 436 00:31:47,310 --> 00:31:51,790 When I landed on those explosives, ah, it felt like a shotgun. I felt like I'd 437 00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:55,070 been shot. Like, we were both in the hospital after that match. 438 00:31:59,090 --> 00:32:03,810 I kind of convinced myself that I did it because I had a family and because I 439 00:32:03,810 --> 00:32:04,810 had a mortgage. 440 00:32:05,710 --> 00:32:11,190 But I took a look in my eye and I said, you can't fake that type of joy. 441 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:16,810 Like, there was part of me that did not mind being in that environment because I 442 00:32:16,810 --> 00:32:17,850 knew I was good in it. 443 00:32:19,650 --> 00:32:24,530 I was bleeding in so many places that I don't even remember that I've been 444 00:32:24,530 --> 00:32:29,210 burned. It doesn't even occur to me until I'm on the plane the next day. 445 00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:33,570 He walks into the house, sits down. I said, Mick. 446 00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:35,790 I think there's a fire. 447 00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:37,490 Something's burning. 448 00:32:37,790 --> 00:32:40,410 I took off my jacket. I said, it's me. 449 00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:43,770 And I wrestled two days later. 450 00:32:45,790 --> 00:32:46,430 ECW 451 00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:53,410 was 452 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:58,490 my vision to completely disrupt the industry. 453 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:02,470 ECW was like a different world from nationally televised wrestling. 454 00:33:02,890 --> 00:33:06,930 It's a cult thing. If you were a certain age and you were a guy, mad at life, 455 00:33:07,070 --> 00:33:11,510 you're drunk on Saturday night, and you watch TV at 2 in the morning and ECW was 456 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:13,130 on, it was the greatest thing in the world. 457 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:21,170 They developed a very loyal and niche following who could not get enough blood 458 00:33:21,170 --> 00:33:21,889 and guts. 459 00:33:21,890 --> 00:33:23,170 He fit luckily to go there. 460 00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:24,750 He liked that stuff. 461 00:33:25,210 --> 00:33:30,190 And the ECW audience loved him for it. 462 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,760 One night, I asked the fans in Philadelphia for a chair. 463 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:48,840 That 464 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:55,480 audience, 465 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:01,060 they'd run over you, spit on you, and just jump back in the car. 466 00:34:01,580 --> 00:34:06,120 Paul Heyman grabs me and he goes, Will you turn heel? Yeah, sure I will. 467 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:08,679 All I knew is I needed a reason. 468 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:15,800 Mick Foley, who sacrifices more of his body than 469 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,380 any other performer at that level. 470 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,440 What if we went the other way? 471 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:27,940 I just thought back to a fan who had a sign that said Kane Dewey. 472 00:34:28,219 --> 00:34:29,420 Kane is a verb. 473 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,739 To hit someone with a cane. 474 00:34:32,270 --> 00:34:36,409 That's someone being my son Dewey because I had been talking about Dewey 475 00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:37,409 of my promos. 476 00:34:37,670 --> 00:34:41,730 One of the super fans makes a sign with my permission. 477 00:34:41,949 --> 00:34:44,090 He shows it to me. Ah, I don't care. 478 00:34:44,350 --> 00:34:51,350 It wasn't until I told my wife about the sign and saw her visceral reaction to 479 00:34:51,350 --> 00:34:57,050 it. Like she literally got sick to her stomach. And so I used real life anger 480 00:34:57,050 --> 00:35:00,450 fuel the best promo of my life. Okay, I guess you're ready. 481 00:35:00,690 --> 00:35:01,690 Yeah. 482 00:35:03,150 --> 00:35:08,410 I'm going to take you back to a very deciding point in my life. When I looked 483 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:14,170 out into that audience, my adoring crowd, and I saw two simple words that 484 00:35:14,170 --> 00:35:15,210 changed my life. 485 00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:20,550 Cain Dewey. 486 00:35:21,650 --> 00:35:28,510 Somebody had taken the time and the effort and the thought to 487 00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:31,410 make a sign that said Cain. 488 00:35:32,170 --> 00:35:33,170 Dewey. 489 00:35:34,690 --> 00:35:38,750 Dewey Foley is a three -year -old boy. 490 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,930 You sick son of a bitch! 491 00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:47,490 You ripped out my heart! You took everything I believed in and you flushed 492 00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:48,750 down the damn toilet! 493 00:35:49,290 --> 00:35:51,730 I gotta listen to my little boy! 494 00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:54,930 Every day of my life, see, Daddy? 495 00:35:55,720 --> 00:36:00,980 I miss Atlanta, and I say it's too bad, son, because your dad traded in the 496 00:36:00,980 --> 00:36:04,540 Victorian house for a sweat box in Long Island. 497 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:11,180 Your dad traded in a $100 ,000 498 00:36:11,180 --> 00:36:16,960 contract, guaranteed money, insurance, 499 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,120 respect. 500 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:27,440 to work for a scumbag who operates out of a little pissant pawn shop in 501 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:28,440 Philadelphia. 502 00:36:30,820 --> 00:36:31,820 Great promo. 503 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:32,840 You okay? 504 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:39,880 I got into the psyche of that 505 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,020 ECW audience. 506 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:46,960 They knew this guy could come in and deliver the violence and the gore that 507 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,220 wanted, but he wouldn't give it to them. 508 00:36:50,490 --> 00:36:53,650 Tonight, we're not going to break any tables. 509 00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:56,910 We're not going to use any chairs. 510 00:36:57,250 --> 00:37:01,450 And we're going to have one hell of an Olympic rules wrestling match. 511 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:06,230 The rules of the NCAA are as follows. 512 00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:12,570 There will be two points awarded for each takedown. It was a joke, right? 513 00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:15,330 will be one point awarded for each escape. 514 00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:19,270 I started pandering to them, which they hate even more. 515 00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:20,770 I'm hardcore. 516 00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:22,110 I'm hardcore. 517 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:25,810 Look, I can't even wear glasses because my ear's missing. 518 00:37:26,130 --> 00:37:30,410 I'm hardcore. That sounds good. Let me just put this pen behind my ear. 519 00:37:30,670 --> 00:37:34,190 Oops. That's when I shaved. How dare you? 520 00:37:37,070 --> 00:37:42,130 Happy hardcore holidays, everybody. This is Cactus Jack and the rest of the 521 00:37:42,130 --> 00:37:45,590 bullies here to wish you a happy holiday hardcore season. 522 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:47,590 Mommy. Mommy. 523 00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:49,130 Mommy. 524 00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:54,830 He did promos on merry -go -rounds with his daughter. 525 00:37:55,310 --> 00:37:56,610 This is extreme. 526 00:37:58,730 --> 00:38:02,210 I did get a beautiful wife by being hardcore, isn't that right? 527 00:38:02,870 --> 00:38:03,990 What am I? 528 00:38:04,530 --> 00:38:05,530 Hardcore. 529 00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:11,990 His promo skills came out. His storytelling ability came out. And 530 00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:17,550 made us go, hmm, now you can make money with that. 531 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,820 It was always clear to me that WWE would never want me. 532 00:38:26,780 --> 00:38:31,000 I would call one time every year to see if there was any interest, and I would 533 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,820 be dismissed within 30 seconds. 534 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,260 Vince McMahon was not a fan. 535 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:40,780 Vince, what did you think of the blood and guts of Captain Jack's character 536 00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:42,380 did all those crazy things in Japan? 537 00:38:43,460 --> 00:38:47,180 I thought it was kind of degrading to our product. 538 00:38:48,420 --> 00:38:50,620 He didn't have any talent. 539 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:52,940 And just a déclassé. 540 00:38:53,940 --> 00:38:58,400 I'd heard a rumor that the adjective he used to describe me was sleazy. 541 00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:01,680 Yeah, Vince was not high on the look. 542 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,760 But I told Vince, I said, you've never been in the locker room with him. 543 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,560 You don't know what you're missing. 544 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:12,800 Jim Ross and myself convinced Vince to just meet him. 545 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,040 If you don't like him, we don't have to move forward. 546 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:19,760 When I finally got him to relent about hiring Mick. 547 00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:23,850 He said to me, I want you to know what it feels like to get your heart broken 548 00:39:23,850 --> 00:39:25,910 a talent that you truly believe in. 549 00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:29,830 Because I'm just telling you, this ain't going to work. 550 00:39:33,010 --> 00:39:35,890 I'm at the WWE offices to meet with Mr. McMahon. 551 00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:39,950 And they've got this sketch, an artist's rendering of a guy who looks to be 552 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:41,570 wearing an iron mask. 553 00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:46,870 And I said, but that's taking away, like, my facial expressions, which are a 554 00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:48,950 strong point. He's like, we're not going to hide them. 555 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,000 We're going to accentuate them. 556 00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:52,700 He said, what do you think, pal? 557 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,140 And I think it's the worst thing I've ever heard. 558 00:39:55,460 --> 00:39:57,860 I talk it over with my wife for hours. 559 00:39:58,540 --> 00:40:03,940 We both knew my body had only so many years left. And we agreed, get in, make 560 00:40:03,940 --> 00:40:08,240 some money, save some money, and try to retire by the time I'm 35. 561 00:40:24,910 --> 00:40:25,910 That's an original. 562 00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:28,830 Oh, yeah. 563 00:40:30,090 --> 00:40:32,410 This mess. The best thing that ever happened to me. 564 00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:35,050 Merry Christmas, Noel. 565 00:40:35,390 --> 00:40:36,390 Merry Christmas. 566 00:40:37,090 --> 00:40:39,050 Merry Christmas, Dewey. Merry Christmas. 567 00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:41,290 Mickey, look what Dewey has for you. 568 00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:42,870 Oh. 569 00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:45,390 I do have it on upside down, but. 570 00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:46,488 I do? 571 00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:48,170 Yeah. I'll get you two. 572 00:40:48,650 --> 00:40:49,650 Ah! 573 00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:52,810 Mitt had this mankind idea. 574 00:40:54,810 --> 00:40:56,790 The representation of mankind. 575 00:40:57,770 --> 00:41:03,870 And you get these philosophical thoughts of this crazy man in a cell who's only 576 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:05,170 friend, a pet rat. 577 00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:11,590 And it was kind of a horror story presentation in the beginning, 578 00:41:11,690 --> 00:41:18,630 but in a fun way. Not as violent as I think what Mick was used 579 00:41:18,630 --> 00:41:21,070 to. You understand me, don't you, George? 580 00:41:22,540 --> 00:41:26,340 You understand that mankind is in agony. 581 00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:32,480 Leave the light on. 582 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:37,780 I never heard of Cactus Jack when I was a kid growing up. I mean, I loved 583 00:41:37,780 --> 00:41:44,300 mankind. It was sort of like a lost soul in a sense. As an 11 -year -old, I was 584 00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:45,800 like, man, this guy's freaking crazy. 585 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,480 You know, to see this guy in this crazy mess. 586 00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:50,850 actually pulling his own hair out. 587 00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:55,430 I mean, didn't he really pull his hair out, right? To me, it always reminded me 588 00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:58,010 of Hannibal Lecter. Do you like some Freddy Krueger vibes? 589 00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:59,630 I'm like, man, this is scary. 590 00:42:00,730 --> 00:42:05,290 That is a... Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, look at that! 591 00:42:06,830 --> 00:42:13,470 He's got his fingers jammed down his... Down his throat! He's got his esophagus! 592 00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:14,810 Man time! 593 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,260 People visiting backstage, like, you know, poor Make -A -Wish children and 594 00:42:25,260 --> 00:42:27,960 families. I'd go to say hello, and these children would run. 595 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,580 I was always high on Nick, and I always thought, okay, that's a perfect type 596 00:42:38,580 --> 00:42:43,380 character for The Undertaker, someone that kind of can be on the same 597 00:42:43,380 --> 00:42:46,020 wavelength. I don't hate you, Undertaker. 598 00:42:46,700 --> 00:42:47,840 I love you. 599 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:50,940 Like a child loves a pet. 600 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,400 Roll over, Undertaker. 601 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,640 Heel boy. 602 00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:57,620 Best of all. 603 00:42:58,540 --> 00:42:59,540 I'm dead. 604 00:42:59,900 --> 00:43:04,840 No one had ever really pushed the Undertaker to the limits in the way that 605 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:05,840 mankind did. 606 00:43:10,090 --> 00:43:13,930 Such an interesting dynamic and such cool chemistry, and Undertaker was able 607 00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:15,790 show some vulnerability which he'd never shown before. 608 00:43:16,110 --> 00:43:18,770 I mean, we had very live matches, boiler room balls. 609 00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:22,370 You know, while you're in the middle of it, you're just thinking, this is really 610 00:43:22,370 --> 00:43:24,510 good stuff that no one else is doing. 611 00:43:25,350 --> 00:43:30,050 Obviously, such a huge part of my career and my history is tied to mankind. 612 00:43:30,670 --> 00:43:36,370 We shot vignettes on this one night in the middle of a cemetery, and a 613 00:43:36,370 --> 00:43:37,370 storm starts. 614 00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:39,230 And you will never... 615 00:43:41,020 --> 00:43:43,300 Rest in peace. 616 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,960 Oh, well. 617 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,080 Gee. 618 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:54,140 Man, a lot. 619 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,320 And Mick says, God, it's raining. 620 00:43:57,540 --> 00:43:58,540 This is great. 621 00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:04,480 He was covered head to toe in mud and muck. 622 00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:06,640 Mick could adapt to anything. 623 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,920 Not everybody could have pulled that off. 624 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,300 Once Mick got in the fold and he had time to interact with a lot of 625 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:18,560 the TV people, we started realizing we got a diamond in the rough here. 626 00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:22,620 A lot of people were surprised at the fact of, again, how articulate he was 627 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:28,300 thoughtful and how well -spoken he was because just from the sheer stuff that 628 00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:31,740 they had seen, you thought that this guy was masochistic. 629 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,040 I mean, he was, but, you know, there was all another side of him. Mick is 630 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,040 charming. 631 00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:42,360 Cagarius, he's just a different cat. 632 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,460 He's always up -spirited and in a good mood, you know. 633 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,160 I don't know how he's done all these years without drinking. He doesn't 634 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:50,859 you know. 635 00:44:50,860 --> 00:44:52,320 That's really upsetting. 636 00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,920 Everybody in the locker room knew that he wasn't a party guy. He was not a go 637 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,720 -out guy. He was a family guy. 638 00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:06,700 I think it was accepted that I was a guy that missed data and did a lot of 639 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:11,860 reading. visited museums, battlefields. The guys would be going out to strip 640 00:45:11,860 --> 00:45:16,860 bars, and he would be running, trying to catch the last flight and be home for 641 00:45:16,860 --> 00:45:17,738 the kids. 642 00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:22,740 I felt pretty good about having my priorities in the right order. I was 643 00:45:22,740 --> 00:45:24,840 to be the best dad I could possibly be. 644 00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:45,470 I knew that Mick could come in and hit the top of the lineup against The 645 00:45:45,470 --> 00:45:49,570 Undertaker. But what's going to happen to Mick after that Undertaker feud ends? 646 00:45:50,550 --> 00:45:54,690 I thought at that time Mick would be still contributing, still earn a good 647 00:45:54,690 --> 00:45:58,070 living, but I never envisioned the Hall of Fame and all this other success. 648 00:45:58,590 --> 00:46:02,950 Mick was always offended by people's expectations because they were always 649 00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:03,950 low. 650 00:46:04,030 --> 00:46:08,610 Inside, as humble as Mick could be, Mick knew how great he was. 651 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,040 So if you tell Mick Foley we have 15 seconds of television time for you and 652 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,080 performance is so great, the next week you're giving him a minute. 653 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,300 And the next week you're giving him three minutes. 654 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,780 And the next week you're going to him and saying, how much time would you 655 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,500 I think it was understood and appreciated that I could work with 656 00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:29,500 on that card. 657 00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:33,520 One of my favorite opponents was Shawn Michaels. 658 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,320 We'd never had a match until we main evented a pay -per -view in 1996. 659 00:46:39,240 --> 00:46:42,580 I'd never worked with Mick, and you're wondering how it's going to go, because 660 00:46:42,580 --> 00:46:47,040 now I'm sort of known as the real finesse worker, and that wasn't Mick's 661 00:46:47,540 --> 00:46:52,940 What I remember more than anything was the different kind of creativity that 662 00:46:52,940 --> 00:46:54,240 Mick brought to the table. 663 00:46:54,820 --> 00:47:00,000 There were things that we did in this match that a WWE crowd had not seen, had 664 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,000 not been exposed to. 665 00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:05,440 The end of the night. 666 00:47:05,870 --> 00:47:11,290 And Shawn's in the locker room, Mick's in the locker room, and they're talking. 667 00:47:11,590 --> 00:47:16,150 Shawn says, is this always how you pictured yourself, this dark character? 668 00:47:16,850 --> 00:47:19,950 I laughed. I said, no, actually, I wanted to be you. 669 00:47:20,430 --> 00:47:25,110 He looks at me quizzically, and I said, no, no, no, not Shawn Michaels, but I 670 00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:30,530 wanted to be the guy who fans adored, who women flocked around, who felt that 671 00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:31,530 degree of love. 672 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,080 I can remember him, you know, finishing with him, but of course it didn't work 673 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,900 out that way because I ended up like this. And then I told him I actually had 674 00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:41,080 this character, Dude Love, that I'd created. 675 00:47:41,620 --> 00:47:44,940 And it turns out that Bruce Prichard was listening to the conversation. 676 00:47:45,460 --> 00:47:48,960 And he's doing it. I'm laughing. I'm going to do this. I said, oh, my God, 677 00:47:48,980 --> 00:47:52,040 that's great. I said, I'd love to see that. He goes, I've got tape. 678 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:56,960 Bring me this tape. 679 00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,800 We're here for only one reason. One reason only. 680 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,020 Fame. Honor. 681 00:48:04,580 --> 00:48:05,580 Fortune. 682 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,680 Mr. McMahon came to me with the idea of doing these in -depth interviews. 683 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,300 You see, when I was a kid, I played cowboys and Indians. 684 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,280 Now, who were the good guys? The cowboys coming over the hill to rape, pillage 685 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,920 innocent women and children? 686 00:48:22,420 --> 00:48:25,440 I was always the Indian, Jimmy. I always stood for the underdog. 687 00:48:25,980 --> 00:48:26,980 It was all there. 688 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:33,160 Mick jumping off the roof, hitchhiking to see Jimmy Snuka, the dream of 689 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,160 dude love. 690 00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:39,420 Mankind was the character in the chair, but suddenly it wasn't just Mankind. It 691 00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:40,420 was now Mick Foley. 692 00:48:40,700 --> 00:48:42,420 Never wanted to be Cactus Jack. 693 00:48:43,340 --> 00:48:48,720 I figured here is a horrible name for a horrible wrestler. 694 00:48:49,180 --> 00:48:54,880 If I call you as soon as I get the ability, then I'll get that. 695 00:48:55,180 --> 00:48:57,060 heart -shaped tattoo on my chest. 696 00:48:57,700 --> 00:49:01,280 I'll put those earrings in, and I'm going to get the girls. 697 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,700 And it never really worked out the way it did it, Jimmy. 698 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:07,819 Not quite. 699 00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:11,260 I was like, man, this guy is incredible, and I want to learn more. 700 00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,140 You know what you tell the people week in and week out? 701 00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:16,440 You say, look at mankind. 702 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:22,700 I don't even know if he feels pain or maybe he likes pain. 703 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,220 But you see, I feel just like every other person. 704 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,920 You see that? 705 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,000 It hurts. 706 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:37,260 Is it when I can't get up, when my little boy says, Denny, I want to play 707 00:49:37,500 --> 00:49:39,440 and I can't do it? 708 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,400 Is that where the fun starts? 709 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:49,280 Is it where a doctor injects a 12 -inch needle into the discs in my spine so I 710 00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,960 can wrestle one more day? 711 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:52,580 Whoopee! 712 00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:56,850 Vince Lawler was great because it was real. 713 00:49:57,770 --> 00:50:01,890 I'd been told when I came in that you could never really get to the top of 714 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,330 So Mr. McMahon personally became a fan. 715 00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:10,230 And in my opinion, he had not personally become a fan until that night. 716 00:50:10,570 --> 00:50:12,630 Mick always had that connection with the audience. 717 00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:16,290 And I really never saw it before he came here. I thought, we're never going to 718 00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:17,290 bring that guy in. 719 00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:20,410 But he does. He has a genuine connection. 720 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:23,780 Not many people have that. 721 00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,560 Oh, this appears to be one of the original Dude Love shirts. 722 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,760 Yes. 723 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:38,600 Oh, that would fetch about $500 on eBay these days. I'm not kidding. 724 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:47,240 This was when Vince saw the potential to grant this wish and allow me to live 725 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:48,240 out my dream. 726 00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:54,680 Steve -O, looks like you could use a little help, my man, like maybe a tag 727 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,740 partner. What's the matter? Don't you recognize me? 728 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,400 Now, I don't blame you for not teaming up with that mutilated freak, Mankind, 729 00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:07,100 but you never said nothing about teaming up with the hippest cat in the land. 730 00:51:07,260 --> 00:51:13,940 Steve -O, baby, it's me, Dude Love, and I am coming to save the day. Oh, 731 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,540 have mercy. 732 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:26,200 I remember him practicing it backstage, and I was just, like, shaking my 733 00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,940 head as he was in his tie -dyed stuff, and I was like, this is the guy that I 734 00:51:31,940 --> 00:51:32,940 went to war with? 735 00:51:36,580 --> 00:51:41,000 Dude Love was my personal favorite just because it showed mixed range. 736 00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:49,180 I just got to try to explain this stuff to my wife, right? 737 00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:50,640 Oh, no. 738 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,760 Hey, no, it just felt so good in there. I didn't, you know. 739 00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:56,720 Would have been nicer if they were your kisses. 740 00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:01,140 Your dude got Steve to break character on a couple of occasions. 741 00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,460 I don't think Mick ever broke me on on -air stuff. I think the one time when 742 00:52:05,460 --> 00:52:09,500 and Vince were dancing on the stage, I kind of let a little bit of smile out. 743 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,760 It made people feel good. That's what Mr. McMahon really liked about it. He 744 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,620 said, dude love makes people feel good. 745 00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:21,980 Now, Mick Foley is appearing sometimes on the same show as Mankind and as Dude 746 00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:25,600 Love. You know, I remember the movie Sybil way back in the day. It was almost 747 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,620 like split personalities. 748 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,220 Now, Dude Love, you are not me. 749 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,040 You're not even you, you idiot. 750 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,800 You thought you'd seen the three faces of Foley, but there was that one guy 751 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:42,920 left. As much as I've dreamed about destroying Hunter Hearst Helmsley. I 752 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,980 you have. There's very horrible things I'd like to do to him. 753 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,460 I know you can. I know someone who dreams about it even more. 754 00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,880 Jack this Jack. 755 00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:55,100 And Mrs. Foley's little boy. 756 00:52:56,080 --> 00:53:00,980 The garden just came unglued. 757 00:53:05,870 --> 00:53:10,270 In my mind, I'm thinking about Mr. McMahon, and I'm thinking, I told you 758 00:53:14,190 --> 00:53:17,530 See how smart Mick is. That means he had three different action figures. 759 00:53:20,410 --> 00:53:22,390 Mrs. Sully's baby boy, no dummy. 760 00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:37,970 Undertaker versus Mankind, Hell in a Cell. It's one of the most surreal and 761 00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:42,210 professional wrestling matches that you've ever seen. 762 00:53:42,670 --> 00:53:46,350 Mick would have his pay -per -views. My mother would say, hey, just give me the 763 00:53:46,350 --> 00:53:50,390 videotape. Well, after Hell in a Cell was over, I called her up and I was 764 00:53:50,550 --> 00:53:53,870 trust me when I tell you, you don't want to see this match. 765 00:53:55,590 --> 00:53:56,890 I've been involved in... 766 00:53:57,390 --> 00:53:58,990 so many Hell in a Cell matches. 767 00:53:59,290 --> 00:54:03,130 But I think most people, when they think of Hell in a Cell, they think of Mick 768 00:54:03,130 --> 00:54:06,250 Foley and the bumps that he took that night. 769 00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:11,170 I've had kids come up to me and talk about it that weren't even born in 1998. 770 00:54:13,330 --> 00:54:14,990 It's taken on a life of its own. 771 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,400 Mick had kind of, I don't want to say hit the wall. 772 00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,620 That might be a little strong. 773 00:54:39,060 --> 00:54:40,740 But he wasn't setting the world on fire. 774 00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:44,380 And the company wasn't going out of its way to feature him. 775 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,420 Honestly, I felt like my character had plateaued. 776 00:54:49,660 --> 00:54:53,480 We had asked an awful lot from the audience to accept that I could go from 777 00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,340 mankind to dude love to Cactus Jack. 778 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:03,720 to all three simultaneously, to heel Cactus Jack, to corporate dude love, and 779 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,660 now he's back to being corporate mankind. 780 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,960 Talent can get inside their own head a lot. 781 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:16,140 You're not hearing the same volume of reaction, and it's not 782 00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:18,780 exactly what you think it should be every night. 783 00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:20,680 That'll mess with your head. 784 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:25,500 You know, Mick was very concerned because Shawn Michaels and I had had the 785 00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:26,500 hell in the fill. 786 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:31,200 It was a really good match. And Mick's like, well, you got to do something 787 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,200 bigger than that. 788 00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:36,820 He says, what do you think about throwing me off the top of the cell? I 789 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:37,840 like, no, you're crazy. 790 00:55:38,620 --> 00:55:42,340 Didn't want any part of it. For two weeks, I asked him. Every night for two 791 00:55:42,340 --> 00:55:43,640 weeks, he would shoot that down. 792 00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,680 And he was adamant. Like, no, I think it'll be great. I think I can do it. 793 00:55:48,820 --> 00:55:49,820 I think. 794 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,160 He just looked at me and said, I'll think about it. 795 00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:54,820 What do you remember from that day? 796 00:55:56,029 --> 00:56:00,530 It's really weird because I don't remember my childhood at all. 797 00:56:00,790 --> 00:56:05,510 Like, I remember little pieces here and there, like hanging out with my dad, but 798 00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:07,890 I don't remember anything wrestling. 799 00:56:08,590 --> 00:56:13,570 Part of me thinks I blocked that out of my life. I remember the day pretty well. 800 00:56:13,950 --> 00:56:17,330 It's kind of crazy. I'm six years old, Noelle's four years old, and we get a 801 00:56:17,330 --> 00:56:20,410 call from my dad saying, just so you know, tonight it's going to be pretty 802 00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:39,260 I'm just standing there at the top of the cell. 803 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,440 In my head, it's just, it's an eternity. 804 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,260 Like, Mick, move. 805 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,340 It's over. That cage is 16 feet high. 806 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,320 Somebody get out of here, really. 807 00:56:50,740 --> 00:56:51,740 I mean it. 808 00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:54,220 I need some help. 809 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:59,460 Everyone was freaked out, including me. 810 00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:03,120 This was too far. It was like, wait a minute. 811 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:09,900 Set yourself on fire in Japan or whatever he did, but this was more of my 812 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600 Look at the raise of the cage and the Undertaker's still on top! 813 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,040 Well, I think they've raised the cage somewhat so that we can get the EMTs 814 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,040 with a stretcher. 815 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:22,840 We kind of thought, like, all right, that's good. The worst part is over. 816 00:57:23,060 --> 00:57:28,420 As quickly and as unusually as this match started, it has ended. 817 00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,260 I remember being in the back going, 818 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:34,560 Oh, my God, I'm going down there. 819 00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:37,040 You know, you okay? 820 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:39,560 Yeah, I'm fine. 821 00:57:40,340 --> 00:57:41,340 I'm good. 822 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,780 You don't look good. That was a pretty ugly bump. No, no, no, no. I'm fine. I 823 00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:48,780 got it. 824 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:51,240 Continued on in the match. 825 00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,800 Now in the hell is he standing? 826 00:58:06,190 --> 00:58:10,710 I was walking around backstage and trying to get ready for my match, and 827 00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:12,510 hearing this crowd go absolutely crazy. 828 00:58:12,850 --> 00:58:16,050 And I wander by the monitor to see what everybody's watching, and I'm thinking, 829 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:18,990 I don't think we're going to follow this. 830 00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:24,070 The cage is attached just like a chain -link fence in your yard. They had metal 831 00:58:24,070 --> 00:58:29,010 twist -its that secured the actual mesh to the pole. 832 00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:34,870 If you took a step or you pushed off to throw a punch, you could hear these 833 00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:35,870 twists. 834 00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:57,710 And I really believe that. I mean, that was not the commentator in me coming 835 00:58:57,710 --> 00:59:00,510 out. That was just Jerry Lawler talking to Jim Ross. 836 00:59:01,150 --> 00:59:02,690 He's dead. 837 00:59:08,330 --> 00:59:14,210 I thought he had planned this whole thing. I was cursing and yelling at him. 838 00:59:14,530 --> 00:59:19,190 I remember her screaming, and I don't think she knew that part was going to 839 00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:26,150 happen. The idea was that Undertaker would chokeslam Mick, and 840 00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:29,530 the cage would start to give, and it would start to sag. 841 00:59:30,690 --> 00:59:34,190 But Mick went through that damn cage like it was nothing. 842 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:41,470 That wasn't the worst part of it. The worst part of it was on the cage was a 843 00:59:41,470 --> 00:59:47,350 chair that came down after Mick and hit Mick right in the face. 844 00:59:51,450 --> 00:59:52,450 Oh, my. 845 00:59:52,510 --> 00:59:58,750 He looks up, and all of a sudden I realize his tooth is coming out of his 846 00:59:59,210 --> 01:00:04,250 It looks like a booger's in his nose, but it's his tooth that is stuck out of 847 01:00:04,250 --> 01:00:05,250 his nose, and he's laughing. 848 01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,020 falling through the cage backwards, knocking his teeth through his lip. I 849 01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:13,980 knowing our history and what I've said to him, I thought, he loves the 850 01:00:14,260 --> 01:00:15,420 That was my resolve. 851 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,760 He just loves the business. 852 01:00:18,300 --> 01:00:21,900 You know, Mick, man, I mean, I'm the king of punishment. 853 01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:23,200 It seemed like he's okay to me. 854 01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,840 I mean, he was tough, you know. 855 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,780 But Mick's Mick. I mean, that guy's tough as nails. 856 01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:34,340 You know, he's obviously not all there because I'm hitting him. 857 01:00:34,810 --> 01:00:36,890 And I'm saying, Mick, just stay down. 858 01:00:37,530 --> 01:00:39,090 But he had to get to those thumbtacks. 859 01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:57,330 It's funny 860 01:00:57,330 --> 01:01:01,430 now, but I'm thinking at the time, I'm like... 861 01:01:02,410 --> 01:01:04,390 I've thrown you off the top of this thing. 862 01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:06,910 I've thrown you through this thing. 863 01:01:07,170 --> 01:01:11,370 And, I mean, there's nothing else that you need to give, Nick. 864 01:01:11,630 --> 01:01:12,630 No! 865 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,220 I went into the match, I had a broken ankle. 866 01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:37,780 And I remember him asking me how I was. 867 01:01:38,620 --> 01:01:40,820 Are you kidding me? 868 01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:46,900 Seriously, yeah, I got a broken ankle. It's not a big deal, dude. You just 869 01:01:46,900 --> 01:01:51,580 broke your neck and your back, and you've got about 150 tacks stuck in you 870 01:01:51,580 --> 01:01:52,580 the moment. 871 01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:59,640 I wasn't done for the night when I finished with the match. 872 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,280 I came hobbling out to interfere in the main event, and almost the entire crowd, 873 01:02:05,420 --> 01:02:09,100 instead of being mad at me, was just like collectively saying, hon, don't you 874 01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:10,100 think you've had enough? 875 01:02:11,060 --> 01:02:12,860 I was banged up for sure. 876 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:18,420 My shoulder was dislocated. My jaw was dislocated. I had 14 stitches underneath 877 01:02:18,420 --> 01:02:19,660 my lip. 878 01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,000 Vince walked in, and he said, Mick, you have no idea how much I appreciate what 879 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,200 you've just done for this company. 880 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,160 But I never want to see anything like that again. 881 01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:33,020 Hi! 882 01:02:33,900 --> 01:02:35,120 You too, nutjob! 883 01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:39,160 What is your favorite memory of your dad as a wrestler? 884 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,360 Favorite memory is when he was getting hurt the least. 885 01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:47,640 We're two little kids watching our dad get beat up. 886 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,760 All I could think about was, I hope he's going to be all right. I hope it's not 887 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,260 too bad this time. I hope he makes it back home in one piece. 888 01:03:00,590 --> 01:03:05,110 He would tell us this was his job to help do what the person before you just 889 01:03:05,110 --> 01:03:09,450 and to make sure that when people go home, they talk about what you did, your 890 01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:10,450 match. 891 01:03:11,310 --> 01:03:12,730 But he's paying for it now. 892 01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:22,590 I found myself struggling in the aftermath of Hell in a Cell. That 893 01:03:22,590 --> 01:03:24,830 wasn't there yet. 894 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:30,200 But if you'd said this Mankind character is missing something, what is it? Not 895 01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,300 one person in a million would have said sock puppet. 896 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:38,100 Mr. Socko actually comes with very humble origins. 897 01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:45,260 I was heading out the door to visit Mr. McMahon at the hospital. He was hooked 898 01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:49,160 up to a heart monitor and a respirator for a bruised ankle. 899 01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,440 That's the way we roll in WWE. 900 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:57,520 And all I knew is I had a selection of gifts that had to get me thrown out of 901 01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:58,439 his room. 902 01:03:58,440 --> 01:03:59,440 Vince, it's me. 903 01:04:00,420 --> 01:04:03,900 I saw what happened. I felt really bad, so I brought you some presents. 904 01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:05,340 Take hold of these. 905 01:04:06,500 --> 01:04:07,500 Weren't they colorful? 906 01:04:08,420 --> 01:04:12,520 I had a box of chocolates that was largely eaten. I had a birthday party 907 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,520 named Yerple. 908 01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:17,620 They were filming the stuff with the nurse, and me and Mick were crammed in a 909 01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:18,620 little bitty bathroom. 910 01:04:19,420 --> 01:04:22,720 And he pulls out this sock, and he puts his hand through it. 911 01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,380 And I said, you've got to be kidding me. 912 01:04:25,700 --> 01:04:29,280 We're two grown men laughing our asses off. 913 01:04:29,980 --> 01:04:31,380 What the hell are you doing? 914 01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:33,260 Mr. Socko! 915 01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:35,720 Say hello to Mr. 916 01:04:35,980 --> 01:04:37,340 Socko. Mr. 917 01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,880 Socko knows you've been feeling mighty bad, so he's going to give your boo -boo 918 01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:42,960 a big kiss. 919 01:04:43,780 --> 01:04:44,780 You're going to what? 920 01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:46,080 Hey, hey, ah! 921 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:47,560 No, Mick, please. 922 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,100 Please. Just leave. 923 01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:51,460 Mr. Socko. 924 01:04:51,820 --> 01:04:55,280 I wasn't a huge fan until Mr. Socko. 925 01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,180 Like, when Mr. Socko came, it was like, oh, I'm totally into this guy. This 926 01:05:00,180 --> 01:05:01,038 guy's great. 927 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,240 I love me some Mr. Socko. I don't know. 928 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,140 Why? Just because, like, the way he was drawing on there. 929 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,240 Mr. 930 01:05:11,820 --> 01:05:13,200 Socko just felt like, just. 931 01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:15,129 Just innocent. 932 01:05:15,130 --> 01:05:18,050 Vince Russo, the writer, comes up to me and says, bro, you got the sock? 933 01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:19,330 I said, 934 01:05:19,590 --> 01:05:20,590 I don't know. 935 01:05:20,830 --> 01:05:22,890 Why? He goes, they're chanting for him. 936 01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:25,250 They've got signs out there. 937 01:05:25,790 --> 01:05:28,370 What are you doing here? I ain't kind of checking that shoe off. 938 01:05:29,330 --> 01:05:34,950 And luckily, I had a finishing move that was tailor -made for the use of a sock 939 01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:35,950 puppet. 940 01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:44,760 He would, like, pull it from different areas in his body. 941 01:05:45,740 --> 01:05:47,340 And there it is! Mr. 942 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:48,600 Socko! 943 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:54,440 Mick is not the most coordinated guy. So when he comes and puts that thing in, 944 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:58,500 man, it would, like, hit you in the face from this way and this way and up your 945 01:05:58,500 --> 01:05:59,500 nose. It's disgusting. 946 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,880 Well, you know, like a sock stuck in your mouth that had been sitting in 947 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,400 someone's sweaty groin? 948 01:06:06,140 --> 01:06:09,540 It was, uh, you know, it was, um... 949 01:06:10,890 --> 01:06:14,130 It's not the best thing I've ever been put in my mouth. 950 01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:19,450 The thing that Mr. Sacco did was allow Mick Foley to sort of cross over into 951 01:06:19,450 --> 01:06:21,690 mainstream. There's Sacco. I have Mr. 952 01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:22,910 Sacco. 953 01:06:23,350 --> 01:06:27,990 Chef Clarity, take two. It's the perfect ravioli for all mankind. 954 01:06:28,490 --> 01:06:33,830 It also just exposed that Mick Foley was just an immensely likable, entertaining 955 01:06:33,830 --> 01:06:35,970 guy. Hello, Mr. Sacco. 956 01:06:36,310 --> 01:06:37,350 How are you, Carson? 957 01:06:37,690 --> 01:06:39,570 You know what I don't understand is about... 958 01:06:40,010 --> 01:06:44,370 800 teenage girls chanting your name and I've got about three sweaty fat guys 959 01:06:44,370 --> 01:06:45,690 with mankind signs. 960 01:06:46,570 --> 01:06:51,830 That sock puppet opened up so many doors for me. He started transcending the 961 01:06:51,830 --> 01:06:54,710 business. Now he's getting more and more out there. He's now an author. 962 01:06:55,250 --> 01:06:57,630 I got the chance to write my memoir. 963 01:06:58,190 --> 01:07:01,930 I just started writing in a yellow legal pad. I didn't know how to use a 964 01:07:01,930 --> 01:07:06,010 computer. I went into the dressing room and I asked the guys, hey, anyone want 965 01:07:06,010 --> 01:07:08,990 to hear this story I'm working on? And all of a sudden I had an audience. 966 01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:10,660 And they were responding. 967 01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:15,260 What do you like about Mankind? 968 01:07:17,060 --> 01:07:19,900 He's very sweet. Yeah, he's real sweet. 969 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:26,280 Hit number one, and that was wild. Like, wow, the New York Times has a pro 970 01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,460 wrestling book at the top of its chart. 971 01:07:28,780 --> 01:07:33,440 I think that the book forced those outside of the business who read it and 972 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,740 it a chance to admit, oh, hey, man, these just aren't a bunch of dumb oafs. 973 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:49,020 People like me don't reach the peak, we don't reach the summit, the 974 01:07:49,020 --> 01:07:52,460 scale of pinnacle, until we do. 975 01:07:53,100 --> 01:07:58,580 He had ascended so much and he had so much of the audience rooting for him 976 01:07:58,580 --> 01:08:02,440 it was the right timing where Mick Foley became the champion. 977 01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:37,920 We're talking about a deafening roar, unlike anything I've experienced. 978 01:08:38,620 --> 01:08:40,779 It's so loud you can barely think. 979 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:46,260 Like back at home in Chicago, it felt like the Bulls won the NBA championship. 980 01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:51,500 You know, people identified with him and felt like he was the everyday guy. 981 01:08:51,740 --> 01:08:55,060 And he was. He was that guy. He was the sweetest guy in the world. He'll help 982 01:08:55,060 --> 01:08:56,060 anybody. 983 01:08:56,580 --> 01:08:57,819 I'd like to thank you. 984 01:08:58,620 --> 01:09:01,500 Just match my two little people at home and say it. 985 01:09:02,849 --> 01:09:04,170 Vincenzo did it! 986 01:09:05,630 --> 01:09:10,490 Scripted doesn't resonate with the sports entertainment crowd. Because the 987 01:09:10,490 --> 01:09:16,390 sports entertainment crowd is always aching for something real. 988 01:09:17,569 --> 01:09:23,250 There were moments when I absolutely, 100 % became so invested in the 989 01:09:23,250 --> 01:09:25,029 that I was that character. 990 01:09:25,310 --> 01:09:29,490 And for The Rock, it was the same way. But in one particular case. 991 01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:33,660 Becoming those characters didn't work out particularly well. 992 01:09:34,779 --> 01:09:38,939 There was a documentary crew there filming for a movie called Beyond the 993 01:09:42,580 --> 01:09:43,100 I 994 01:09:43,100 --> 01:09:50,020 wanted my 995 01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:52,660 family to see Dad as the champion. 996 01:09:52,939 --> 01:09:56,520 You know, I wanted them to be so proud of me. And I wanted to go to Disneyland. 997 01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:58,820 Really wanted to go to Disneyland. 998 01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:01,900 He is barely moving. 999 01:10:02,500 --> 01:10:05,680 And now The Rock has handcuffs. What the hell is he going to do now? 1000 01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,080 Handcuffs? 1001 01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,600 You know, I'm an old school guy. 1002 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,280 That night. 1003 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,920 Even I was uncomfortable with the amount of chair shots that Mick took. 1004 01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:42,160 Do you shoulder some of the blame when things turn out that way? 1005 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,600 Well, I think I shoulder most of the blame because it was my idea. 1006 01:10:49,060 --> 01:10:54,260 The idea was the WWE camera would show the children, which they did not end up 1007 01:10:54,260 --> 01:10:56,440 doing. But Beyond the Mat did show. 1008 01:10:57,070 --> 01:11:03,710 my family and that was really chilling footage by 1009 01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:11,150 mom 1010 01:11:11,150 --> 01:11:16,210 and dad kind of without saying it their body language was like we're gonna have 1011 01:11:16,210 --> 01:11:20,950 to discuss this and not in front of the kids it was horrible and they were 1012 01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:24,430 stitching him up and mick is talking like nothing happened 1013 01:11:25,450 --> 01:11:31,490 I was taking a large risk with my body, just hoping and betting that it would 1014 01:11:31,490 --> 01:11:33,210 set my family up for a good future. 1015 01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:40,930 I knew from day one that I was on borrowed time, but I wouldn't admit it 1016 01:11:40,930 --> 01:11:41,930 anybody. 1017 01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:59,110 I could not have scripted a better retirement match with Triple H. 1018 01:12:00,630 --> 01:12:03,590 I was going out on my own terms. 1019 01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:08,430 Kick out! Kick out, Cactus! 1020 01:12:10,350 --> 01:12:14,710 When it was over, I felt an immediate sense of fulfillment. 1021 01:12:16,830 --> 01:12:22,310 I set out to save my money and retire by the time I was 35, and I did it. 1022 01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:45,100 My dad and my brother were in the crowd, and they came back to congratulate me, 1023 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:51,460 and then I went to my hotel room and cried my eyes out because it was the end 1024 01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:52,460 a fascinating journey. 1025 01:12:54,620 --> 01:13:00,820 I had been preparing my kids for the day that I'd be leaving wrestling, and my 1026 01:13:00,820 --> 01:13:04,820 daughter said, Well, Daddy, if you don't wrestle, we can't eat, and we're going 1027 01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:05,499 to die. 1028 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:08,380 So I had a little talk about the effects of... 1029 01:13:08,670 --> 01:13:12,630 compounding interest and that the foliage were probably going to be okay 1030 01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:13,630 little while. 1031 01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:19,090 We wanted to have children again, and I wanted to be home. 1032 01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:22,710 Our son, Mickey, was born in 2001. 1033 01:13:23,330 --> 01:13:24,570 Whoa, Mickey! 1034 01:13:24,990 --> 01:13:28,630 And in 2003, we had Huey. Here comes Huey! 1035 01:13:29,770 --> 01:13:30,770 Hiya! 1036 01:13:31,270 --> 01:13:35,110 That was when I portrayed the most complicated character of them all, which 1037 01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:36,110 Super Dad. 1038 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:41,300 Now turn it off and we'll go inside, okay? 1039 01:13:42,380 --> 01:13:43,380 Ooh. 1040 01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:47,120 I think I did a pretty good job as a father. Yeah. 1041 01:13:47,980 --> 01:13:54,460 It's so funny. My dad played all these crazy characters, like ripping his hair 1042 01:13:54,460 --> 01:13:59,740 out and rocking back and forth and talking to rats in a boiler room, yet he 1043 01:13:59,740 --> 01:14:03,860 just like this big teddy bear. Oh, look how beautiful that is. 1044 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:05,120 No, no. 1045 01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:07,180 What is your... No! 1046 01:14:08,750 --> 01:14:13,530 I had time on my hands, and I wanted to really do my best to make a difference 1047 01:14:13,530 --> 01:14:16,450 and to be part of something that was bigger than myself. 1048 01:14:17,350 --> 01:14:23,290 I said, Mick, you are on this platform that you can do anything. 1049 01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:28,330 Whatever you want to do, you can do it. The fight against sexual assault has an 1050 01:14:28,330 --> 01:14:32,870 unlikely new ally, former WWE superstar Mick Foley. 1051 01:14:33,340 --> 01:14:38,120 I felt like, as odd as it seemed, that it was exactly where I could make the 1052 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:43,860 most difference, that it was an area that needed attention, especially from 1053 01:14:44,420 --> 01:14:48,180 At that point, I had been volunteering as a crisis counselor. 1054 01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:51,860 I'd log on, and someone would say, tell me why I should live. 1055 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,220 My wife would wake up eight hours later, and I'd still be with that same person, 1056 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,860 trying to get them to hold on. 1057 01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,800 And that was a big part of who I was. 1058 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,360 I've had a lot of time to think about why I went back to wrestling. 1059 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:17,100 At the end of the day, it was a simple reason. 1060 01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:18,960 I just missed it. 1061 01:15:20,180 --> 01:15:22,500 It's almost like a religious experience for him. 1062 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:25,500 He's at home. 1063 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:32,640 The ring is Mick Foley's sanctuary. 1064 01:15:33,380 --> 01:15:34,580 It's a safe place. 1065 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:37,520 Emotionally. 1066 01:15:38,690 --> 01:15:40,030 Maybe not so much physically. 1067 01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:45,430 I had four big matches when I came back from retirement. 1068 01:15:46,230 --> 01:15:52,630 Teaming up with The Rock at WrestleMania, Randy Orton in Edmonton, 1069 01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:55,390 WrestleMania 2006, and the feud with Ric Flair. 1070 01:15:55,730 --> 01:15:57,370 And that should have been it for me. 1071 01:15:57,850 --> 01:16:00,510 I should have realized that I can't wrestle ever again. 1072 01:16:01,870 --> 01:16:04,890 Everything after that was at least partly a cash grab. 1073 01:16:06,250 --> 01:16:09,850 I was the guy who was used to being able to take anything, and I got to a point 1074 01:16:09,850 --> 01:16:12,110 where almost every single thing was hurting me. 1075 01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:14,490 I no longer looked forward to matches. 1076 01:16:14,930 --> 01:16:16,970 I just wanted them to be over with. 1077 01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:25,930 I returned to WWE, and I was given the WWE's impact test. 1078 01:16:26,910 --> 01:16:33,090 I had independent neurologists and WWE's neurologists both confirming the same 1079 01:16:33,090 --> 01:16:35,430 diagnosis, which is I should never wrestle again. 1080 01:16:37,610 --> 01:16:41,490 It's one thing for you to make that decision. It's another thing for a 1081 01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:43,770 neurologist to make that decision for you. 1082 01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:46,670 I was struggling physically. 1083 01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:49,510 I was struggling emotionally. 1084 01:16:52,150 --> 01:16:58,090 I generally would wake up and I would just know, this doesn't even have the 1085 01:16:58,090 --> 01:16:59,610 potential of being a good day. 1086 01:17:00,030 --> 01:17:04,350 My eyes were so sensitive to light, I didn't think I could write ever again. 1087 01:17:04,830 --> 01:17:10,310 I really took pride in the job I did as a crisis counselor, and then that was 1088 01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:11,089 taken away. 1089 01:17:11,090 --> 01:17:15,510 The road trips with the kids and the roller coasters seemed like they'd be 1090 01:17:15,510 --> 01:17:19,330 coming to an end. I had so many things I loved taken away from me. 1091 01:17:19,610 --> 01:17:26,410 He was just kind of, you know, sleeping late, very lethargic, really 1092 01:17:26,410 --> 01:17:30,230 out of it. He was low energy. He wasn't playing with the kids too much. He was 1093 01:17:30,230 --> 01:17:32,990 just a guy who kind of needed to be by himself. 1094 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:40,020 I just was thinking to myself, wow, now I'm 45 and I'm in the basement of my 1095 01:17:40,020 --> 01:17:43,140 house all alone, which somehow wasn't how I pictured things. 1096 01:17:45,260 --> 01:17:48,260 I felt like nothing I had done made any difference. 1097 01:17:49,540 --> 01:17:51,220 Nothing I've done has meant a thing. 1098 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:02,000 All right, you want to play more? 1099 01:18:03,050 --> 01:18:04,450 One -legged fadeaway. 1100 01:18:08,970 --> 01:18:09,970 Whoa. 1101 01:18:11,450 --> 01:18:12,550 That was nice. 1102 01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:14,030 I don't think I could do that. 1103 01:18:18,110 --> 01:18:20,390 How much height am I getting on my jump shot? 1104 01:18:20,890 --> 01:18:21,890 None. 1105 01:18:24,210 --> 01:18:25,210 Oh, yes. 1106 01:18:35,630 --> 01:18:40,030 You want to try a regular version of Happy Birthday? 1107 01:18:40,250 --> 01:18:41,209 I guess so. 1108 01:18:41,210 --> 01:18:43,930 I'll let you know when I'm ready to go, okay? Okay, wait, for Happy Birthday? 1109 01:18:44,130 --> 01:18:50,970 Yeah. How the dude love with a song like no other. For you, my brother, and it 1110 01:18:50,970 --> 01:18:51,970 goes like this. 1111 01:18:53,410 --> 01:18:55,190 Birthday to you. 1112 01:18:56,010 --> 01:18:58,590 Happy birthday to you. 1113 01:18:59,370 --> 01:19:02,770 Happy birthday, dear Tyler. 1114 01:19:07,310 --> 01:19:08,830 Happy birthday to you. 1115 01:19:09,310 --> 01:19:13,470 Happy birthday to you. 1116 01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:19,050 Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. 1117 01:19:19,810 --> 01:19:26,770 In retrospect, my wife and I should 1118 01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:28,390 have realized so much sooner. 1119 01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:33,670 Mickey was slow to talk. 1120 01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:39,740 I mean, even going back to when he was a little boy at Hershey Park, and there's 1121 01:19:39,740 --> 01:19:44,400 this great, expansive, huge, world -class rides, and he was just so content 1122 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:45,400 splash in a puddle. 1123 01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:48,380 So we realized that something was different. 1124 01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:54,360 And so when he had the autism diagnosis, it felt like, this explains it. 1125 01:19:56,820 --> 01:19:59,000 It really was a shock to my system. 1126 01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:03,920 And I knew I had to be there for my family. And to do that, I had to get my 1127 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:04,920 right. 1128 01:20:05,870 --> 01:20:11,570 I decided to do whatever I could to kind of keep the mental fires burning. 1129 01:20:13,870 --> 01:20:18,790 I was trying to do traditional stand -up comedy, but I found that I was running 1130 01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:21,290 away from my strengths, which was my day job. 1131 01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:23,490 That was what people wanted to hear about. 1132 01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:29,410 Going out there on the stage is the best form of exercise for your mind. 1133 01:20:29,690 --> 01:20:31,430 You're memorizing routines. 1134 01:20:32,410 --> 01:20:36,730 You are creating new content and you are playing off the audience. 1135 01:20:37,190 --> 01:20:39,050 This is like mental gymnastics. 1136 01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:46,410 No matter what I did, no matter how many matches I had, I could not figure out 1137 01:20:46,410 --> 01:20:51,850 the secret of the Terry Funk punch. And then Terry Funk punched me as hard as he 1138 01:20:51,850 --> 01:20:52,850 could in the head. 1139 01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:56,170 I was like, that's it? 1140 01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:57,930 That's all you do? 1141 01:20:58,610 --> 01:21:01,190 I think it's very cathartic for him. 1142 01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,960 To do these one -man shows. 1143 01:21:03,440 --> 01:21:06,360 He gets relief and therapy. 1144 01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:09,440 I found out I was no longer irrelevant. 1145 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,840 I was part of people's lives. 1146 01:21:12,620 --> 01:21:13,800 Come on up here. 1147 01:21:14,740 --> 01:21:17,980 I just wanted to tell you, we named our dog after him. What did you name him? 1148 01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:20,020 His name is Mick Foley. Oh, that's awesome. 1149 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:25,480 He had his ears taken off by dog fighters. And we went, his name is Mick. 1150 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,220 It's a big commitment when you name an animal. 1151 01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:32,820 I wanted to ask the second question of you. Go ahead. You are an ordained 1152 01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:33,820 minister. 1153 01:21:34,060 --> 01:21:38,420 I guess so. I took the course. Would you marry us? Oh, would I marry you? Are 1154 01:21:38,420 --> 01:21:41,500 you going to get married in Florida? Yeah. We are. Would you marry us? I will 1155 01:21:41,500 --> 01:21:42,500 marry you. 1156 01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:46,780 Do you expect me to say no with the A &E cameras on me? You used to live on 1157 01:21:46,780 --> 01:21:47,840 Sharewater Beach. 1158 01:21:48,340 --> 01:21:54,880 Yeah, I can do that. Why is it that he makes people so happy? Oh, Mick is a 1159 01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:56,800 Santa Claus all year round. 1160 01:21:57,390 --> 01:22:02,410 Anyone with that kind of mentality, wants to give, wants to make people 1161 01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:03,549 that's Mick Foley. 1162 01:22:03,550 --> 01:22:04,610 That's what Mick's all about. 1163 01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:12,990 I feel like I'm bleaching like a goat. 1164 01:22:17,650 --> 01:22:20,130 Anything worth doing is worth doing well, right? 1165 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:31,300 Oh, wow, that looks good. 1166 01:22:34,180 --> 01:22:39,660 When I was portraying characters in wrestling, I had to be tougher and 1167 01:22:39,660 --> 01:22:40,740 and more resilient. 1168 01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:45,660 In trying to portray Santa to the best of my abilities, I had to be kinder and 1169 01:22:45,660 --> 01:22:50,540 gentler and more patient than I was in real life. And I love the idea of trying 1170 01:22:50,540 --> 01:22:52,160 to live up to that standard. 1171 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,540 All right, this is the big one here. 1172 01:23:01,969 --> 01:23:08,370 What? He will write letters as Santa Claus to my kids every year 1173 01:23:08,370 --> 01:23:15,070 in a fountain pen, will come over as Santa just to be caught 1174 01:23:15,070 --> 01:23:18,850 sneaking out of the house so that my kids still believe they're Santa. 1175 01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:23,730 I was a huge fan of the band The Kinks when I was in high school. 1176 01:23:24,530 --> 01:23:28,690 At that time, The Kinks were touring huge arenas all over the world. 1177 01:23:29,610 --> 01:23:33,690 The lead singer was asked what that was like. He said, it doesn't really matter 1178 01:23:33,690 --> 01:23:35,010 as long as I can see faces. 1179 01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:40,610 And his answer at the time disappointed me, and then I realized how true that 1180 01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:41,610 was. 1181 01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:42,790 Yes, 1182 01:23:44,990 --> 01:23:49,070 my friends, how are you today? Look at that. Do you mind if Santa pulls up a 1183 01:23:49,070 --> 01:23:50,070 chair here? 1184 01:23:51,010 --> 01:23:52,010 Okay. 1185 01:23:53,090 --> 01:23:58,170 Santa and Mrs. Claus and the elves went through this entire book, page by page 1186 01:23:58,170 --> 01:23:59,039 like this. 1187 01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,320 Reach in there, my friend. 1188 01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:03,740 Oh, I think that's it. 1189 01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:06,040 Have any idea? I believe that's a ball. 1190 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,780 I believe it's a pair of sneakers. 1191 01:24:11,700 --> 01:24:16,820 I can honestly say I feel better now than I did 15 years ago. 1192 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:21,360 That's really amazing that people have allowed me to become part of their 1193 01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,720 traditions. Yeah, there's always something to look forward to. 1194 01:24:26,300 --> 01:24:27,920 I think mixed. 1195 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:35,080 Foley's self -worth is predicated on 1196 01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,040 his ability to be great at something. 1197 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,980 And Mick found something at which he can be great. 1198 01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:49,720 I can never drop an elbow again. I've got a ball of steel where my hip used to 1199 01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:55,240 be. But that's a relatively small price to pay for having had the chance to live 1200 01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:56,240 out my dreams. 1201 01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:08,060 I know how unusual it is for someone like me to feel optimism about tomorrow 1202 01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:12,140 after what I put myself through in countless yesterdays. 1203 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:17,360 But when I'm asked about my life, I can look people in the eye and answer them 1204 01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,360 truthfully. 1205 01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:20,000 Yes, it hurt. 1206 01:25:21,340 --> 01:25:24,680 No, I'm not a psychopath, I don't think. 1207 01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,860 And yes, I do have some regrets. 1208 01:25:30,350 --> 01:25:34,790 There were times I put my family through the ringer and they responded with the 1209 01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:35,790 gift of acceptance. 1210 01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:40,170 It's a gift I'll spend the rest of my life appreciating. 1211 01:25:42,330 --> 01:25:45,650 I know that people are always going to keep asking those questions. 1212 01:25:46,650 --> 01:25:52,250 And I know there are still going to be days when I ask myself, was it worth it? 107115

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