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Ready for another take, Kerwin? Slowly,
halfway through, widen out a little bit,
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and go right back to that extreme close
-up. Okay, Kerwin, here. Remember what's
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going on in the ring.
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I can smell it!
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It's in the air!
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I feel the cosmic powers of Mars!
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The clouds of Jupiter!
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The boiling heat of Mercury!
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I can feel...
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My dad taught my sister and I a creed
and he would make us write it out.
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Live strong.
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Act bold.
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Be brave.
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History has been made here!
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Nothing's too hard to do.
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Start with that.
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Always believe.
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I walked as the general of a legion of
warriors!
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Ultimate Warrior was just...
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He was a moment in time.
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And the ultimate warrior, the guy that
we grew up watching, the guy that fought
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Hulk Hogan and beat him, was separate
from Jim Hellwee. Don't let the tin cup
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kick hit you in the mouth and knock your
teeth out.
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The complicated layers of his own
psyche.
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created a man who at times was very
difficult to get a grasp on.
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You're me.
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He probably wouldn't have been driven to
be the ultimate warrior if he hadn't
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had the pain he experienced in his early
life.
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You've got to have some kind of an
explanation, ultimate warrior.
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He might not have gone on to be the
person that he was afterwards if it
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been for the disappointment he was
experiencing while we were all cheering
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him.
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You have seen very small snippets of the
man that I knew personally.
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You think of the guy who's, you know,
big and tough, but he'd tuck us in at
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night so gently and read us our books.
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And if there's something really sad or
really rough, like, he'd leave it out.
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And that was a beautiful thing for when
we're little. But there's not that
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privilege anymore.
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You have to tell the full story.
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And with the past seven years that's
gone on, you don't want to censor
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Like this is the story of the ultimate
warrior.
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Read the full book.
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He was skinny. He was real skinny.
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You know, I had a picture, I couldn't
find it, of him in a football outfit.
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Poor beanpole, skinny legs, cute as a
button.
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Jim Hellwig was the oldest of five
siblings.
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He had two brothers, two sisters.
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This is a picture of the four kids
before I had my last one.
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Here is the place that I understood Jim
to tell me he grew up in this mobile
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home and said that he lifted weights on
that front porch right there.
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Crawfordsville seems like 18 ,000
people. Very rural.
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Demographics of this area, blue collar.
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Everybody knows or has an idea of
everybody in the community.
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No, I don't think he was real popular
with the girls. Deep down, I think he
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shy, insecure, insecure, yes.
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He always worshipped his mom for her
efforts and was always very
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complimentary of his mom and loved her
very much.
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His father departing their family was a
pivotal moment for him.
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I just think, and it's not just Jim, but
all three of my boys, they had such
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shame that their dad could leave them.
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He'd come back and go mushroom hunting.
He'd come back and go to ball games and
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never come to see his kids.
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Jim's dad leaving seems to have been at
least a beginning point of
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major trust issues in his life.
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He had a lot of insecurities due to the
fact that he was 10 when his father
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left. I think it devastated him.
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I think, if I would be honest, having
five kids and having to work
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so much, that the kids didn't always get
the reassurance they needed.
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He didn't get all the attention he
needed.
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Growing up in a town like Jim Helwig
did, there's sort of the haves and the
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-nots. And when his dad left and wasn't
contributing financially to the family,
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suddenly Jim finds himself as one of the
have -nots.
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Jim felt that a lot of people in the
community looked down on him.
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He also very definitively said, I'm
going to show these people. I'm going to
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something with my life. Which you think
about it, this is a 17 -year -old who
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has embraced this, I'm going to conquer
the world attitude because of the way he
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feels that the people of his community
had rejected him and his family.
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He also then goes searching for an
identity.
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beyond his father. And that's what ends
up leading him to sports.
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And Jim ends up meeting Gary Pate. The
first time I ever met Jim
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would be at football practice back in
1975.
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The first time I ever saw Jim was in
this classroom right here. All the team
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members were sitting in here.
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Well, when you saw some of these kids,
those guys were all about six foot two.
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220, 225, and Jim looked to be about, at
that time, 5 '10 and
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125.
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I'm sure he probably might have weighed
more, but he didn't look like it.
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As the year went on, he found out that I
would be in the weight room when I had
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time. He'd ask if he could come in with
me, and I'd say, sure, yeah.
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Come in and lift all you want. And we
would lift, and he would be intense
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his lifting.
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You have Jim and Gary, who for about
three years end up lifting together on
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of a cruddy old lifting machine in their
high school. This is how he learned to
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bond with people, especially with
paternal figures, working out with them
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lifting with them.
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By his senior year, Jim was utterly
fascinated with bodybuilding, and he was
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constantly trying to get his hands on
bodybuilding magazines and materials.
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He would apparently be looking at these
magazines and say things like, I can't
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wait till I'm this massive.
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He had the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster
in his room, you know. He'd have his
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easy curl bar in there and would be
pumping iron facing the Arnold
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Schwarzenegger poster.
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You know, and like, get it.
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You know, he knew that he needed to seek
his own ambitions.
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So he wasn't stuck in that rural area
because he needed to go on a farm or
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in a factory. But he didn't have no
desire to do either one of them for a
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living.
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Jim's pursuit of a bodybuilding career.
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Deemed to have manifested in the early
1980s. But he makes a move over to
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Georgia because he feels like there is a
better opportunity for the professional
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bodybuilding scene.
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During that time in Georgia, he meets
his future wife, Sherry. They get
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You know, he gets married pretty young.
He goes down to Atlanta to try to start
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this career.
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You know, he's sort of going through the
stations of, like, what growing up and
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entering adulthood looks like.
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And by 1984, he's made the move to
definitively try to get himself into
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competition shape.
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And he does so and manages to win a
pretty significant competition in 1984.
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He wins Mr.
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Georgia. I knew that it would serve me
well to make my body different from
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everybody else. Like a comic book
character, just walked off the pages.
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He was dedicated, and he had a goal
where he wanted to go with this lifting.
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He never said, I'm going to be the world
champion WWE, and I'm going to pick up
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Andre the Giant and body slam him.
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But he did say, I will, one of these
days, be a person that people will
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remember. He said, I'll guarantee you
that people will remember me.
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Today I'm boxing with my coach.
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I love boxing. I feel like my dad. I
feel strong and powerful when I do it.
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I love the intensity that comes out, the
release from it. It feels like him. I
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would hear him screaming out in the gym.
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I'm like, oh, I'm a little bit like him
when I'm in the gym.
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Coming from my background, growing up in
a town of 600 people, I stumbled into
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the weight room we had at our school in
front of a kid, scared of my own shadow.
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And I started gaining weight really
quick.
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And when I started gaining weight and
putting size on my body, I thought to
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myself, well, I can change my life
another way.
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Is it something that I can strive to get
better at and I can look back at my
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younger self and think, like, oh, I
thought I was so good back then, and
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you climb the wall and you get better
and better?
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Well, in terms of becoming a wrestler,
never say never.
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So I scheduled an appointment with the
high school counselor.
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Fifteen seconds after I started telling
her what I wanted to do, she put her
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hand up to my face about ten inches away
from it, and she said, put that silly
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stuff away, and let me tell you what you
need to do.
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This summer, you need to get a job at
the factory, do a good job, come back
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finish your senior year, and when you
graduate, you should be able to get a
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-time job.
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Now what else can I help you with?
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For any bodybuilder, when you build your
body, it's like putting on your armor.
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You know, you're building your muscle,
which is your armor, to protect yourself
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from who you are really inside. You
could be this insecure person, but now
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you're, you know, 240, 250 pounds, you
know, muscle.
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It totally makes sense that someone
without a male role model who's in
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what masculinity means to them, it makes
sense that they would look at the world
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of bodybuilding.
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In the 80s, I mean, it's kind of hard to
imagine if you weren't there, but
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bodybuilding was a huge deal.
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There was really only one person
everyone was talking about, and that was
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Schwarzenegger.
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He was in the movie Pumping Iron, and
those images became iconic.
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Arnold Schwarzenegger becomes a huge
star. I mean, arguably the biggest star
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Hollywood.
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How did he get there?
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It wasn't just, hey, let me go to acting
school and become this movie star. It
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was, oh, he goes to the gym all the
time, and he never quits. Jim says, I
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that. If you really want to make it,
you've got to move to California.
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Gold's Gym Venice in the 80s became the
Mecca.
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Gold's Gym became the standard for
anyone who wanted to become a
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I contacted Jim and I invited him out to
California to train for his next
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contest because I thought he had a lot
of potential.
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Ed introduced me to Jim saying, here's a
young guy who's trying to win the
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nationals. My first house in Venice was
just two blocks from the gym. So the
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guys would stay at the house and they
would learn from each other. We knew how
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they trained or what they ate or what
they took for supplements.
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Ed one day came into the gym and he
wanted me to let this big dude come in
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train. The guy was a giant, you know. He
wasn't just big, he was kind of freaky.
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He had a freaky build, a freaky
physique.
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And when he walked through the room or
through the gym or anywhere else, people
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went... Performance enhancing drugs and
steroids were
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definitely in fashion when it came to
the world of bodybuilding.
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Steroids were part of the regimen of
what you took to be...
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a pro bodybuilder.
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What it did is it gave you the ability
to basically be in an anabolic state.
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can train hours in the gym and not break
down.
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But the thing was, if they were legal
back then, you can actually have access
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go to a pharmacy and just buy them on
your own.
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I think if people were to open my
refrigerator, they would have probably
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shocked. You know, most of the steroids
have to be refrigerated. So some of my
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family members would visit. And so when
they pulled out the fruit drawer, they
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got something other than fruit.
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So I'm going to take the time to talk to
you about this.
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Then you can get it done, right?
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So I got up and couraged one day. I
weighed about 175 pounds. I go up to
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guy. He's leaving the gym. And I tapped
him on the shoulder. I said...
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Can I ask you about steroids? Before I
even got the word steroid out of my
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mouth, he turned around.
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The guy just towered over me. He said,
before I ever heard about steroids, I
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number three in the whole world.
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But when you get up there in that upper
epsilon, there may be a different set of
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rules. And what he was telling me as a
young punk kid of only 18 years old, he
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was saying, you get there, you do what
it takes to get there, and then you
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about making that decision. I weighed
295 pounds before I ever touched him.
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That's the story about steroids.
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And you better get that story right.
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And the next competitor is Jim Helwig.
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You know, guys like Jim, who I saw as
this big guy, you would think he would
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become a great pro bodybuilder.
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Jim's goal back then was basically, I
think, to make money and have a great
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You only made money when you were a top
pro.
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But if you didn't place and win the
nationals or you didn't win the Mr.
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USAs, you really weren't going to make
money.
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On some level, he had to come to the
realization that just being a great
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bodybuilder in and of itself was not
going to make him rich and famous.
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I guess his path was to go more towards
becoming a professional wrestler, you
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know, where he saw money to be made.
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In the early 80s, wrestling was a big
deal. It was on TV a lot.
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The wrestlers would train at Gold's Gym
Venice.
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So we actually formed our own then
Gold's Gym team, which was composed of
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tag teams.
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Out of the four, we had, you know, a big
monster that just disappeared one day.
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And I said, hey, I remember meeting this
guy, Jim Hellwig. He just won a
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bodybuilding competition. He's huge.
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We should call him. When I talked with
Jim, I explained that we had lost the
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member of our team, and he'd be perfect
for it.
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He said, what does it pay? And when I
told him $100 a night, he said, well,
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that's more money than I'm making now.
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We sent out press kits. We got one phone
call back.
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It was about three days later, but we
got a phone call back from Jerry
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He said, yeah, I'm looking at a picture,
and I got four guys in this picture,
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but he says, I can only use two of you.
Which two do you want? He goes, I want
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the two guys to the far left in this
picture I'm looking at. So we got in the
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car, my 83 T -Bird, and we left
California, and we drove out to
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Tennessee.
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And that's where it started.
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Right now, we would like to welcome in a
couple of brand -new faces to
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championship wrestling, a couple of guys
you're going to get to know and know
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well, too. We're talking about the
Freedom Fighters, Jim Helwig. Jim, glad
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have you here, and Steve Borden. Steve,
glad to have you guys here. This is your
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first time out here. We want to get a
little background on you.
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Are you guys married, have families, or
what? No, we're single. We're looking
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forward to it. You're both single?
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Yeah, we're single. You hear that? Girls
are both single here. I want to get
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that around.
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My first reaction was, wow.
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I saw two good -looking guys that were
going to draw the girls into the
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and that's what it was all about for us
back then. Back in the day, we never
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told anybody they were married or you
were engaged or anything else because it
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would hurt the girls from coming to the
buildings.
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They're young. They've still got a lot
to learn in wrestling, but, boy, they
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sure have got the physical attitude,
David.
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There was no sort of gracefulness. There
was no...
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slow and poetic storytelling it was just
boom energy and i'm coming and i'm
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hitting you as hard as i can and i'm
leaving and it doesn't necessarily
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with the audience like why are we
cheering for these good guys just
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snot out of these much smaller guys and
so they had to make a shift because it
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wasn't working our thought was yeah
let's change let's go heal let's change
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look and let's come up with something
real you know kind of freaky looking
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Before long, Steve Borden and Jim Helwig
were repackaged into the Blade Runners.
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I think that they realized that
intensity was what they had to offer. So
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promos that you would see were just guys
working out. They weren't saying
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anything, but it was just, we're super
intense dudes, and we can lift super
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heavy things, and sometimes we wear
mascara.
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The matches were horrible.
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with those guys. And it was one of those
situations where at the time we could
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have taken them and maybe spent a lot of
time and, you know, put them in opening
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matches and tried to train them. But
these guys already thought that they
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ready for the big time just because of
their look.
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Jim
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Hellwig has
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sort of reached the peak of physical
perfection, right? He goes to pro
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wrestling. in search of fame and
fortune. And then he sort of has to
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right? He has to start paying his dues.
He's not making any money. He's
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traveling. He's on the road all the
time. Ladies and gentlemen, the most
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tag team in professional wrestling, the
Blade Runners!
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We were on, you know, the 4th of July,
you know, a matinee show, evening show.
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New Year's Eve, New Year's Day,
Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Easter
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didn't matter. We were doing two shows a
day.
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This man is just so powerful.
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Punishing kicks.
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Things were so bad while he was driving
used taxi cabs that had like 400 ,000 or
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500 ,000 miles on them. It was just
incredible.
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Nice move by Brett.
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Drop kick.
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He was very much so, you know,
opinionated kind of a guy, and he
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was not shy about sharing his opinion.
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Didn't matter what the topic was, you
know. We actually walked away at one
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We walked out on our main event.
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And the next day, I got a phone call.
You need to come up to Little Rock
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tonight. Bill's holding a couple of your
paychecks. You'll never get them unless
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you come and put a notice in and finish
out.
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So I said, OK.
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You know, let me try to get a hold of
Jim and see if we can make this happen.
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couldn't get Jim anywhere.
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So I went and did the show and came
back. And the next day, Jim was pretty
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You know, like, what'd you do?
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What are you doing?
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How could you do that to me? I said,
Jim, what are you talking about?
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He was real pissed.
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And that ultimately ended up, you know,
leading to, you know, us parting ways as
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well.
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Blade runners, no doubt about, are big,
strong individuals.
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But I don't think they've got what it
takes inside.
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And I'm speaking of intestinal
fortitude.
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I think he just wanted to kind of go off
on his own. And it ended up he was
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probably right.
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Hellwig decides he's going to leave, and
he has an opening with WCCW over in the
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Dallas area.
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Welcome to world -class championship
wrestling, the major league of
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wrestling seen around the world and
across this great nation.
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WCCW had really an international
following of sorts because the Von
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Eriks were like a first family of
wrestling.
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They had an audience that was very
unique in the history of wrestling.
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A large percentage of the audience was
women, and it was all about really good
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-looking guys with great bodies.
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So Jim comes in, and I mean, Jim is like
perfect for that specific audience.
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I remember the first night I drove in
there, they came up to me and said, he's
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got a warrior thing about him or
something like that. Then somebody came
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had a little puppy, a new puppy.
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And they were asking him what kind of
dog it was. He says, a dingo. And
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just, you know, somebody that was, you
know, not quite sober yet said, dingo,
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dingo warrior, that'll work. We'll do
that tonight.
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So that was the beginning of the dingo
warrior thing. From Queens, New York,
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pounds, the dingo warrior.
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He was billed as being from Queens, New
York.
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So there's no dingoes in Queens.
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Dingoes are Australian.
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And the word dingo is just a ridiculous,
silly word. It just sounds hilarious
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and not intimidating.
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Look at the awesome physical beauty of
the dingo warrior.
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I'll tell you, Brian, it's proud behind
him to 100 percent.
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So you bring any freaking nature you
want to the world. But because believe
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brother, I've looked in the eyes of
darkness before.
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And I'm not scared of it, and I never
will be with the Warriors by my back.
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As the Dingo Warrior, Jim Helwig gets a
noticeable following in WCCW.
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Listen to the crowd.
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Round up for the Dingo Man.
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It was very obvious to me that the
business, it was...
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going a direction where it wasn't so
much like Dick the Bruiser and the
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those kinds of wrestlers that I
remembered as a kid growing up with in
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and that something different was going
on with it. You know, I was painting the
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logo on my face.
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Dingo Warrior, to me, was the poorer
version of the Ultimate Warrior. I
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really have much money to spend on that
kind of stuff.
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But it just grew, man. It really turned
into something really fantastic.
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And here's a man of awesome proportions.
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who has to be counted on to be one of
the major influences in professional
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wrestling today.
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So
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Jim
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returns to the Fountain Central 10 -year
reunion. He has not only won Mr.
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Georgia, but he has also become the
Dingo Warrior.
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He's enormous.
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280 pounds, solid muscle.
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This was not a coming back to sort of
mend fences or to connect with people he
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didn't connect with. His whole take was,
if you had been his friend in his
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youth, come sit with me, we're going to
hang out. And for those people who tried
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to be more chummy with him, that had not
given him the time of day when his
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youth, he had no interest.
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He won a couple bottles of champagne for
the person that had changed the most.
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the person that drove the furthest. And
I remember him opening the champagne and
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having us all drink a little bit of it,
you know, celebrating just our reunion
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together as friends.
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He didn't forget where he came from,
okay?
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Jim was a loyal friend. If you hung in
there with him, he hung in there with
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you.
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Now with the pen, two, three, the Vivo
Oil Sabu, Jack Pickering.
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Jim Hellwig was a remarkably creative
human being. Part of it is the look, and
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think part of it as well is the fact
that he's just different.
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When Vince McMahon sees Jim Hellwig in
1987, he sees the picture -perfect mold
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for what he's putting out there. He sees
there's definitely something there, but
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I'm going to make this thing my own.
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In the territory days, the WWE was just
the New York territory.
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By the time people of
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my age bracket were invested, the WWE
had become the territory.
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They were hitting cable TV, being seen
all over the world.
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Vince McMahon is as responsible for the
success of the WWE as...
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Anyone is for the success of anything.
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This is this guy who took everything his
father started and said, that's great,
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I like what you're doing here, but what
if we took over the world with it?
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The Dingo is the winner!
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So Jim Helwig as the Dingo Warrior is in
WCCW, and Vince McMahon takes one look
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at him and he says, okay, I'll give that
guy a shot.
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The ultimate!
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The Ultimate Warrior was a Vince McMahon
creation, his first attempt to
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create a star once he already had all
the eyeballs on his company.
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There's something Vince told me at one
time, and I'll always remember this,
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he sat down with me, he said, you know,
Jimmy, I'm looking for my next
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attraction. Somebody bigger than life,
somebody that can walk through any
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airport in the world, and even a casual
wrestling fan will go, oh my God, look
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who it is.
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He was the only person that would run,
and I mean top speed,
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all the way to the ring.
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You had the Hulkamania
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with the red and yellow, the bright
colors, the tan, and all of a sudden you
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a guy come in, but instead of red and
yellow, he's got neon on him.
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Except for Hulk Hogan, he was the most
popular guy they had, very quickly.
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The audience would react to him, they
started reacting to him very well, and I
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thought, hmm, okay then, maybe we do
have something here.
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You can see that he's on a clear
trajectory, that Vince
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is like writing the script that will put
him following in the footsteps of Hulk
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Hogan.
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Ladies and gentlemen, this contest is
for the Intercontinental Championship.
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Honky Tonk Man's going to defend the
Intercontinental Championship.
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Get me somebody out here to wrestle. I
don't care who it is.
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Against an unnamed opponent.
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And you're waiting to hear who it's
going to be. And that music hits.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute.
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Somebody's music.
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I mean, as Gorilla Monsoon says,
pandemonium.
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I
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remember
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what it felt like, man.
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It was awesome, you know.
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It was just nonstop energy for less than
30 seconds, and there was a new
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Intercontinental Champion.
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It just shocked the wrestling world.
Nobody expected it, right? Because we'd
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the belt for over a year. And I think
that's what really gave him the little
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rocket that he needed.
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It was just another
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critical step.
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And him becoming the biggest wrestler in
WWE.
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Thanks a lot, man.
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This is WWE letting the world know this
is the
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next guy.
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This is the guy that you think might be
a star. He is a superstar.
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Please welcome the man known as the
ultimate warrior.
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I think the Ultimate Warrior was a great
match for the late 80s, early 90s.
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Everything was about being as big and
strong and bombastic as a character as
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possible. He was a cartoon character
come to life. So my earliest memories of
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the Ultimate Warrior are of this madman
covered in tassels and of a doll that I
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wanted to cuddle and take to bed with
me.
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Now because he is successful, now he's
got that target on his back.
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This guy's only been in the business for
five years. I've been in this business
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for 20 years. What dues did he pay?
There's all that going on in the locker
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room. I got the sense that he really was
a loner.
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Warrior was very much at times an
overgrown kid. Having known a lot of his
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personal life, he never really got to be
a kid.
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You know, came from a broken home, had
to grow up and mature quickly.
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So I do think that the warrior
character, that's why he fell in love
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much, because it was an extension of
him. And he got to escape and do those
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things and live probably a lot of things
he never got to do.
443
00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:19,780
We were in town. I mean, it only made
sense today. Look, you know.
444
00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:24,330
Come home and let's have dinner, you
know, and my wife would fix dinner.
445
00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:28,450
And it was a breath of fresh air to have
him there. It was so different, you
446
00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:31,130
know, and he really wanted that
environment.
447
00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:34,110
You could tell he was attracted to that
environment.
448
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:43,930
There was very few people that were
invited to come over to my parents'
449
00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:45,770
Would he help do the dishes?
450
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:49,549
You know what?
451
00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:51,010
If he was asked, he would have.
452
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:54,050
He would definitely do the dishes. He
was just that type of guy.
453
00:32:55,910 --> 00:33:00,510
My dad was a father figure to many and
definitely was to Warrior.
454
00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:05,730
And I think it was just that family
dynamic that Jim always aspired to have.
455
00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:11,250
They end up...
456
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,870
having Warrior feud with Andre the
Giant, who had previously been the most
457
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:22,970
beloved wrestler maybe on the planet.
458
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:30,930
You see, the ultimate maniac has felt
these large hands around his neck.
459
00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:36,830
He is feeling right now the
Intercontinental Championship slipping
460
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:42,790
waist. One of the big values of Andre
the Giant was that if somebody beats him
461
00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:48,360
or somebody can slam him, They're a
household name. And Hulk Hogan body
462
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,660
Andre the Giant at WrestleMania 3 is the
thing that set Hulkamania in motion.
463
00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:54,819
Look at this!
464
00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,220
He slammed him!
465
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,560
And you, Andre the Giant, will realize
that the power will become the eighth
466
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,180
in the world as we eat you alive!
467
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:12,060
Andre never did anything he didn't want
to do.
468
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,800
It was frightening the first time he
told me to slam him.
469
00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:26,420
I knew what it meant to the character
Ultimate Warrior and how much over that
470
00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,880
character would be by being allowed to
do that.
471
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,600
So now you're able to really think of
like Ultimate
472
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719
Warrior. He's on the same level as Hulk
Hogan.
473
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,820
Because up until that moment, the
greatest thing Hulk Hogan had ever
474
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:43,820
was beating Andre the Giant.
475
00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,340
Well, now Ultimate Warrior's beating
Andre the Giant.
476
00:34:47,179 --> 00:34:48,280
You slammed Andre.
477
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:50,679
I slammed Andre.
478
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,980
You can beat everybody else on the
roster, but after you slam Andre the
479
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,580
there's only one place left to go, and
that's Hulk Hogan.
480
00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:23,150
didn't cry for santa you're too little
it's been seven years since we lost
481
00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:28,390
warrior and now we're actually able to
look at the memories and enjoy them and
482
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:34,030
revel in them and laugh warrior's role
at christmas time was like the biggest
483
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:39,190
elf you've ever met and he negotiated
negotiate he would negotiate a lot of
484
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:44,080
negotiation on christmas absolutely
about what you guys deserve yes Every
485
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,880
morning on Christmas, we'd wake up with
a note about what we should improve on
486
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,380
for the next year. Because next year it
might be Cole. And it was detailed. It
487
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:53,178
was scary.
488
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:55,320
But then you had to get over it and
you'd get pregnant. And I was like,
489
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,400
this is dad's hair.
490
00:35:56,420 --> 00:36:03,080
For me and the girls, it's about his
491
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,700
legacy as a father. But for millions of
fans, it will always be about what he
492
00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,680
did in the ring with Hulk Hogan.
493
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:15,590
I think it's pretty incredible to
imagine he only had five years in the
494
00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:20,690
business, and he was tasked with the job
of replacing a veritable legend.
495
00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:25,690
Hulk Hogan in the 80s literally was
wrestling.
496
00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:29,670
And just remember, Hulkamania has run
wild.
497
00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:31,010
Crazy. Thank you, Hulk.
498
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:39,110
He ushered in a new, larger -than -life,
almost cartoonish era of
499
00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:40,110
professional wrestling.
500
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:47,210
Hulk Hogan, over the six years leading
to WrestleMania VI, had turned
501
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:48,270
into a phenomenon.
502
00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:56,710
Remember what's going on in the ring.
Hulk is posing, we're in a celebration
503
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:59,650
mood. We want the opposite of that,
okay?
504
00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:04,770
Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior at
the time, they're your top good guys in
505
00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:05,629
the WWE.
506
00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:08,170
So when they start to flirt with this
idea...
507
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:12,530
that there may be some animosity between
Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior.
508
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:13,710
You're going, wait a minute.
509
00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:21,430
B 'Leah and Ho -Wig had a rivalry with
one another, and they had a mutual
510
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:23,970
professional jealousy, which made sense.
511
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:33,210
How could there not be professional envy
and jealousy between Hulk Hogan and the
512
00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,210
Ultimate Warrior?
513
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,840
The Ultimate Warrior was designed to
replace Hulk Hogan. How could Hulk Hogan
514
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,840
not resent that?
515
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,880
How could
516
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:59,160
Warrior
517
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,440
not resent Hulk Hogan?
518
00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:04,840
If you're going to compete with somebody
for the number one spot, By design, you
519
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,760
have to think, here's why I'm better
than that person.
520
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:16,820
Very nature of that competition between
the two is going to breed
521
00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:22,140
envy and jealousy between the two of
them. Both champions, Hulk Hogan and the
522
00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:25,680
Ultimate Warrior, want to be sure the
other is healthy for Sunday afternoon,
523
00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:29,800
April 1st. The World Wrestling
Federation champion against the
524
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,800
champion.
525
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,700
This was a big topic of conversation
among 11 -year -olds.
526
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:40,000
Who's going to win Ultimate Warrior to
Hulk Hogan? I mean, for us, this was
527
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,480
like, you know, magic versus bird.
528
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,060
At the end of WrestleMania, it'll be the
Hulkster and God they still trust.
529
00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:51,320
The official signing of the match at
WrestleMania.
530
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,060
Look into my eyes, Hulk Hogan!
531
00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,360
You see nothingness!
532
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Jim, always give me a little pause there
when you finish off. Okay. You know,
533
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,240
count to two before you... Warrior not
only has to step into the ring with
534
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:16,200
Hogan, has to carry the main event with
Hogan, has to live up to the box office
535
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,020
expectations with Hogan.
536
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,140
You're going to beat Hogan?
537
00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:29,320
The pressure on Warrior to deliver, it's
mind -boggling to
538
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,840
think. That pressure didn't crush him.
539
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:37,060
You
540
00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:46,000
can't
541
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,240
build to a match like this and then go
for five minutes.
542
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,760
So this became a test of, okay, now that
we've got Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate
543
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,580
Warrior together, can we have these guys
do it?
544
00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:04,810
25 -minute match. Can we do a match
where a real story is being told?
545
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:16,470
Warrior learned
546
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:20,790
a lot from Hulk. But there's always that
little piece, we want to be the top
547
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:22,810
dog. And Warrior was hungry for it.
548
00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:29,520
They both get their time to shine.
549
00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:36,280
And they both get that moment where, as
a fan, you're like, well, this is the
550
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280
moment where Hulk went.
551
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,320
That moment that we've all seen before.
552
00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:45,300
Hulk Hogan is hitting the ropes.
553
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,120
He's dropping a leg.
554
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840
Hulk Hogan was still hot in 90, okay?
555
00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:11,300
When he takes that warrior pin right in
the middle of the ring, no funny
556
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,420
business, and loses outright to the
warrior and makes warrior king.
557
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,420
This is not the same as doing that for
someone when you are clearly on the way
558
00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:25,080
down. Oh, look at this.
559
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,560
Hulk presented the belt and raised the
hand of the warrior.
560
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:31,260
That was...
561
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:35,670
Both Hogan and the company anointing
somebody new.
562
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:40,510
And it was a major deal to be able to
beat Hulk Hogan.
563
00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:45,030
I think Jim was idolized.
564
00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:49,010
That filled something up inside of him
that he needed.
565
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:56,270
Other people, you know, that have said,
you know, Warrior never respected the
566
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:59,970
business. You know, he just wanted to
get in, make a paycheck, get out. That
567
00:41:59,970 --> 00:42:00,970
not true.
568
00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:06,190
Warrior came back through the curtain
after that match with Hogan and
569
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:12,150
broke down, you know, emotionally. He
was finally at the very pinnacle of the
570
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,930
business that he worked so hard to get
to.
571
00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:21,270
The fact that I took the belt from Hulk
in the way that I did with the clean
572
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:25,590
finish, I mean, the weight of that.
573
00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:32,250
You know, that saying about it's not the
destination, it's the journey, it's
574
00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,250
true for me.
575
00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:38,310
I was so emotional after it happened,
but within a day or two, I was thinking,
576
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:39,390
what's next?
577
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:49,890
At WrestleMania, Warrior, you lived up
to the ultimate challenge, and then
578
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:53,090
But now, you face a challenge of a
different kind.
579
00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:59,540
The Ultimate Warrior title reign as
world champion was in some ways actually
580
00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:00,700
beginning of the end.
581
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,580
I can feel it!
582
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,780
I can feel that I have been chosen.
583
00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:15,720
He was pure kinetic energy, right? And
the story that they told was a missile
584
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,620
being shot into space. The climb is
exhilarating.
585
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:23,140
But once you get there, the story just
sort of fizzles.
586
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:27,110
They didn't set up the right guys for
him, and it did not get him off on the
587
00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:30,930
right foot. The first thing they do is
they brought in Rick Rude. He was a
588
00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:32,990
retread. Warrior had already beaten him
before.
589
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:37,390
He had matches with The Undertaker.
You're scared, and you're going to be
590
00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:38,189
scared.
591
00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:39,250
You're going to be scared.
592
00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:43,570
It's not in there, not in the casket.
593
00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:46,930
And it ends up going into Jake the Snake
Roberts.
594
00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:48,970
What do you think about that, Warrior?
595
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:51,670
Just a few friends of mine, huh?
596
00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:04,790
Warriors walking around in that locker
room with eyes in the back of his head.
597
00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:10,310
You got guys that are jealous of him in
front of the cameras, in front of the
598
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:15,870
fans. That was Warriors safe haven. That
was never the issue. But when he had to
599
00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:18,610
walk back into that locker room.
600
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,300
He knew exactly what he was dealing
with. That's where the pressure came.
601
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,580
Hang on, hang on.
602
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,280
Keep his attention, folks. Keep his
attention.
603
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,560
There you go. We see him now.
604
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,320
I don't think you really know if
somebody's up to the job until they get
605
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,960
right? I don't know what expectations
Vince had set and what the ultimate
606
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,240
warrior wasn't living up to.
607
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Something had to be telling Vince
McMahon that this project wasn't
608
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,420
the degree that he had hoped that it
would.
609
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,000
It was like, OK, the decision is to get
the belt back on Hogan because Warrior
610
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,040
didn't draw good enough. But at the
time, I, you know, I think everybody
611
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,220
that Warrior was going to be champion
for three or four years. And it was, you
612
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:08,180
know, less than a full year before they
took it away from him.
613
00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:17,320
Warrior is not going to fall into line.
614
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:23,380
This is not somebody you are going to
control. And they have to know this.
615
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,020
Jim Hellwig went to the beat of his own
drum.
616
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:32,520
Whatever that beat was telling him,
whether it was good for him or
617
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,800
to him, he went and walked to the beat
of his own drum. There were times where
618
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,940
he was completely isolated. Sometimes he
was just really on edge.
619
00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:48,150
So there's a story that a kid approaches
Ultimate Warrior at an airport, as most
620
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:51,950
people do. You know, that's half the
reason Vince grabs these guys, because
621
00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:54,730
they walk through an airport, you can't
look away from them. He's got his
622
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:55,730
sunglasses on.
623
00:45:55,950 --> 00:46:00,890
The kid comes up to him, and he'd ask,
you know, he's the Ultimate Warrior.
624
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:02,670
And, like, he snaps on this little kid.
625
00:46:03,810 --> 00:46:04,970
I was like, whoa.
626
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:10,030
This kid's parents were pretty connected
to the WWE.
627
00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:13,410
That posed a problem for Jim when Vince
heard about this.
628
00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:20,250
So Vince is so upset that he makes Jim
actually record a video apology to the
629
00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,050
kid. It's Vince's apology.
630
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:29,090
But not in the warrior's character. I
mean, I'm humbly apologizing, but I'm
631
00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:30,530
saying what I'm humbly apologizing for.
632
00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:33,190
That's right. I know what the gimmick's
for, but I mean, what's it for?
633
00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:40,850
In three, two... I understand that there
comes times in everyone's life
634
00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:43,010
when they may regret certain things...
635
00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:44,830
Regret certain things that they should.
636
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:46,330
Yeah,
637
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:49,210
I know. I don't know what the fuck to
say. I didn't say nothing to the goddamn
638
00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:50,450
kid. I understand that.
639
00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:54,510
Well, no, you don't because I'm making a
videotape to some kid. It's a fucking
640
00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:56,370
work. It's a work.
641
00:46:57,350 --> 00:47:00,690
That's all it is. It's a work. We're
working here. That's it.
642
00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,010
I'm working here. There's two matches
left. I'm fucking working here making an
643
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:05,530
apology for something I didn't fucking
do.
644
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,570
This guy's really, whatever I should
have, whatever I was supposed to have
645
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:11,970
to the guy, I wish I had said to the
guy.
646
00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:13,210
Me too.
647
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:19,510
Three, two... There shall never come a
time that any one of the WWF...
648
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:26,510
Go again. That I shall take revenge upon
that person and vanquish them from
649
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:29,250
this universe and shoot me.
650
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:37,910
No one that walks within the World
Wrestling Federation shall ever, never
651
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:42,910
you without answering to the power of
the ultimate warrior.
652
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:46,419
It was excellent.
653
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,420
Thank you.
654
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,260
But then the very next day, he sits down
and he writes Vince a letter.
655
00:47:55,660 --> 00:48:02,400
It's as if years of frustration and
anger have just boiled over and
656
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,620
he can't take it anymore.
657
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,540
1991 was a definitive moment in Jim
Hellwig's life.
658
00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:19,780
Around January of 1991, he and his wife
filed divorce papers.
659
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,760
At the same time, the WWE decided that
they were going to go in a different
660
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,540
direction. And so that same month that
he's filing divorce papers, he also
661
00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:32,100
his status as champion.
662
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,620
Going through the divorce, needing the
money, all of those things sort of work
663
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:42,720
together to reignite some of that.
664
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,840
financial anxiety that he had as a
child, a lot of the scars throughout Jim
665
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,100
Helwig's life are definitely coming to
the surface now.
666
00:48:54,380 --> 00:49:00,440
You realize that, sure, Ultimate Warrior
looked like he had never been better,
667
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:05,560
but Jim is going through a divorce. And
Jim is having arguments with Vince. And
668
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,140
he's blowing up on fans at the airport.
669
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,880
And you realize that there's more to it
than that.
670
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,020
Ultimate Warrior seemed like he was just
sort of at a wit's end with Vince,
671
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:15,940
right? He's like, I've tried to talk to
you. I've tried to bring this stuff up.
672
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:16,980
Let me try something else.
673
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,340
I'm going to write a letter.
674
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,300
Vince, writing this is a different
approach.
675
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,280
I have been from day one different from
the others. I have sacrificed myself
676
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,320
enough both in my personal life and
physical well -being.
677
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:38,480
What Hellwig says to McMahon is, I know
what Hogan has gotten, and that's what I
678
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,480
want.
679
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:44,410
I have sacrificed more than $500 ,000,
more than a million dollars even, in
680
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:48,250
monies that I should have been paid to
me in receiving equal treatment as Hulk.
681
00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:54,490
And he proceeds to give a list of
demands about the things that he wants,
682
00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:59,590
equal pay for Hogan, equal royalties for
Hogan. He wants all of the same
683
00:49:59,590 --> 00:50:01,950
benefits that Hulk Hogan gets.
684
00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,290
The videotaped apology was the icing on
the cake.
685
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,560
You see it as a business, so whether I
like it or not, I must do the same.
686
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,920
Whatever your decision, I can and will
live with it. Till then, I remain at
687
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,920
with one who cares.
688
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,380
Hellwig appears to be saying to Vince,
I'm not going to show up until you meet
689
00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:24,380
these demands.
690
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,580
That's a cardinal sin in the world of
professional wrestling.
691
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,420
WWE have not only, in the micro sense,
spent all this time marketing
692
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,160
but in the macro sense, all this time
marketing the Ultimate Warrior
693
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,020
Like, they can't just say, all right,
we'll go home. We'll just do it without
694
00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:44,020
you.
695
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,520
No one would take kindly to that. But of
all the people in the world who would
696
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,100
not take kindly to essentially being
bullied, it would be Vince McMahon.
697
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,180
When I get this letter, it's a shock.
It's like, oh, it's kicking the guts.
698
00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,780
like I was burned, so to speak.
699
00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:08,320
I told Jim we would work it out,
indicating that we might do this deal,
700
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,060
was looking for, oh, okay, we'll talk at
the garden.
701
00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:12,960
And I couldn't wait to fire him.
702
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560
What an ovation for the ultimate
warrior!
703
00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:18,080
Is he ready?
704
00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:21,120
Yes. Yes, but can he be trusted?
705
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,780
Vince McMahon came into my locker room,
and he said, well, the ultimate warrior
706
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:32,760
is holding me up for $500 ,000, and he
wants to be paid before he
707
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,760
wrestles.
708
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,860
Then through the locker room door comes
Hulk Hogan. And he said, Sarge, you
709
00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:44,820
throw the warrior out on the floor and
I'll come into the ring and I'll jump on
710
00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:46,820
you and you and I'll head off to the
corner.
711
00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:51,560
And while we're doing that, Cheeky, you
jump down and you break his leg.
712
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:55,040
And Vince went, no, whoa, whoa, whoa,
whoa.
713
00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,580
I don't need a lawsuit on top of all
this.
714
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:04,500
There's a spot at the end of the match
where Hellwig grabs a chair.
715
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,140
and chases Mustafa and Adnan out of the
ring and backstage.
716
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,200
Warner's got a chance!
717
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:20,300
As he comes back through, he's told
Vince wants to see him, at which point
718
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:27,140
gives him a several -page letter talking
about how Hulk Hogan is a living
719
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:28,140
legend.
720
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,500
He is more popular than you.
721
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,060
has more years in the ring than you, is
in greater demand than you. And then he
722
00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:40,840
hits Jim very personally. He says, you
have become a living legend in your own
723
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,840
mind.
724
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Probably everything that Jim Helwig
would not have wanted to hear.
725
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:54,640
He then details the fact that, Jim, you
are suspended for no fewer than
726
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,640
90 days.
727
00:52:55,780 --> 00:53:00,980
I think that Vince wrote something that
cutting, because I think Vince felt...
728
00:53:01,759 --> 00:53:08,680
It was so outrageous that the man was,
and just so far overreached, it told me,
729
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,480
obviously, he really didn't understand.
730
00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:17,700
Often, our performers will start
believing in themselves more than they
731
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,060
and can't separate Jim Elwig from the
Ultimate Warrior, and that happens to a
732
00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:23,060
lot of our performers.
733
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,220
A lot of superstars want his approval,
and they want to please him, and they
734
00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:33,760
want to be... his guy the way you want
your father to accept you.
735
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,460
That's what I feel, I guess, with Vince
McMahon.
736
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:42,900
It's like when he tells you you did a
good job, it's the greatest feeling in
737
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:43,900
world.
738
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,280
Jim and I had this unusual relationship,
you know, personally. And we both were
739
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,720
on the same wavelength. He was nuts. I
was at the time. I'm not now.
740
00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:58,160
But there was this great relationship.
No one really knew that.
741
00:53:59,210 --> 00:54:03,030
I'm sure he was out there looking for
acceptance, and he might have looked at
742
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:08,310
him as a mother and a father figure, and
there's nothing wrong with that.
743
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:10,270
Did you think of him as a son?
744
00:54:12,050 --> 00:54:15,010
Not as a son.
745
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:18,470
I have only one son.
746
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:24,510
I can see how someone would look at me
as a father figure, but I don't look at
747
00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:25,439
him as a son.
748
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,220
I've never done that.
749
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,160
But I've looked at them as a
relationship that would be sort of
750
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,800
somewhat of father -son.
751
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,700
If you look at somebody like the warrior
that maybe was missing some male role
752
00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:45,400
models early in his life, I think Vince
McMahon could have easily filled that
753
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,299
role for him.
754
00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:51,900
And I don't know if Vince realized when
he wrote that that the ultimate warrior
755
00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:58,800
would not take that as his... Boss being
mad at him, he may take that as a
756
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,700
paternal figure being disappointed in
him.
757
00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:06,500
Your boss being mad at you, you get
over.
758
00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:13,020
Somebody that you look at like a father
saying, I like him more than I like you,
759
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,040
you don't get over that.
760
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:20,980
Good morning, guys.
761
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,180
The entire world of wrestling changed in
1992.
762
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,240
The federal government has leveled
charges against the leader of the WWF,
763
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,240
McMahon.
764
00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:36,000
Steroid use, steroid distribution is now
deemed not only illegal, but is being
765
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,560
presented as inauthentic and immoral.
766
00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:44,060
A hulk of a hero named Hogan is the
biggest to take a fall.
767
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,960
First you up.
768
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:48,640
This is take one.
769
00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:53,050
It makes a certain sort of sense that
when Hulk Hogan has to take some time
770
00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:57,950
you go back in the well and find the guy
who used to be the next Hulk Hogan.
771
00:55:58,150 --> 00:56:03,610
There have been those that have stood up
on many a throne and promised to rule
772
00:56:03,610 --> 00:56:06,470
the entire universe, the entire world.
773
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:13,430
McMahon decides to bring the ultimate
warrior back into the WWE, and
774
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:17,670
they begin the process of trying to mend
the fences.
775
00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:32,580
And when that music hit, you
776
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:37,660
can hear that stadium full of people
going nuts for it. They couldn't believe
777
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:38,660
it.
778
00:56:45,379 --> 00:56:48,140
It was still a moment, and you're still
like, oh, my God, Warrior's back.
779
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,980
But when he comes back, right in the
midst of the steroid scandal, he looks
780
00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:57,980
noticeably smaller.
781
00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:02,180
He's still jacked. I mean, he's still,
by normal standards, he's like, I'm
782
00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:04,200
going to get a body like 1992 Ultimate
Warrior.
783
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,100
But 1992 Ultimate Warrior does not have
a body like 1990 Ultimate Warrior.
784
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,700
who had not been quite as dedicated as
he was to the gym, probably because he's
785
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:20,840
coping with an extraordinary amount of
loss, and going through a divorce.
786
00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:32,340
And I remember thinking, man, you've got
to get your shit together real
787
00:57:32,340 --> 00:57:33,340
quick here.
788
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:53,260
Let's try one more with more intensity.
Okay. In 1992, a package is intercepted,
789
00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:59,280
addressed to the Ultimate Warrior's
driver, and it contains HGH, human
790
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,280
hormone.
791
00:58:01,220 --> 00:58:05,120
Explosiveness that can never, ever be
recreated.
792
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,120
A chemical combustion that forms a bond
forever and ever.
793
00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:12,160
It did fail some tests in 1992.
794
00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:15,500
Hellwig did fail tests, and Hellwig also
admitted to it.
795
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,300
to taking steroids.
796
00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:24,720
I think it was more than anything in his
head that if I don't have this, I'll
797
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,720
never be the same guy.
798
00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:33,720
Every time he takes a drug test, he has
to list the kinds of medications that
799
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,720
he's taking already.
800
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:40,140
And at the beginning of this process in
May, he writes Motrin.
801
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,600
Pretty simple.
802
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:46,680
The next test is Tylenol with codeine in
a nasal spray.
803
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:53,640
By the time we get to late October, he's
taking multiple medicines for anxiety,
804
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,160
for depression, for insomnia.
805
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,120
In November of that year, the WWE will
fire him again on the grounds that he
806
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,540
violated the drug policy.
807
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,960
Shit, I don't know.
808
00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:31,300
It just sort of unraveled in a way where
I remember having a conversation with
809
00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,920
Vince and he was afraid of certain
things that were going to happen to him.
810
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:37,540
It just got so bad that he needed a
couple of scapegoats.
811
00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:41,270
Was it implied that you should use
steroids to make yourself?
812
00:59:41,570 --> 00:59:45,970
No, never to me. I think the whole thing
is weak. It was a bad optic to have
813
00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:51,570
huge muscle -bound guys on top as you're
fighting off these accusations of
814
00:59:51,570 --> 00:59:55,390
steroid use. People like Hulk Hogan and
the Ultimate Warrior faded to the
815
00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:56,390
background.
816
00:59:56,590 --> 01:00:01,910
And Bret Hartz and Shawn Michaels and
other guys sort of stepped in to the
817
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:03,330
spotlight because their look.
818
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,880
didn't sort of remind people of what was
going on behind the scenes.
819
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,160
He arrived in Scottsdale, Arizona.
820
01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,780
Hellwig will legally change his name to
Warrior.
821
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,940
He lived the ultimate warrior, he
breathed the ultimate warrior, so he
822
01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:21,140
he owned the ultimate warrior.
823
01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:26,700
So all you can really do is try to come
up with ways to stick it to your former
824
01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:27,700
employer.
825
01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:41,210
He launched a gym and wrestling school
called Warrior University.
826
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:49,250
He wanted to do workout videos and
warrior workout kits.
827
01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:57,550
And I saw a new gym was coming to town
and it was owned by the ultimate
828
01:00:57,990 --> 01:01:03,230
I had a pink resume before Elle Woods
ever did. And when I walked in the door.
829
01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:10,190
All I could see was the eye line to this
huge, giant man.
830
01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:14,130
And I walked with purpose straight up to
him. I put the resume down, and I said,
831
01:01:14,330 --> 01:01:18,010
I need to run your aerobics program. And
he said, you need to marry me.
832
01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,430
And I said, I won't even date you.
833
01:01:23,250 --> 01:01:28,670
And that man followed me around like a
puppy until I finally broke down, and I
834
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:31,810
dated him, and then, you know, I married
him. So it worked out okay.
835
01:01:33,610 --> 01:01:38,910
I had my own demons from a difficult
childhood. And so my husband used to
836
01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:42,850
say to me, like, you tamed the beast.
837
01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:48,230
I met my counterpart. I met the person
that I was able to do that for, and he
838
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:49,270
was able to do it for me.
839
01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:05,990
I look back at the innocence of who we
were when we first met.
840
01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:10,830
And what my husband really wanted was to
be successful.
841
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:13,910
He
842
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:20,330
had
843
01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:25,390
all these goals and aspirations.
844
01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:30,710
And what success was, was in his mind.
845
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,920
what Vince McMahon had created.
846
01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:40,540
He wanted to make The Ultimate Warrior
into a full -blown comic book venture to
847
01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:42,440
launch The Warrior mainstream.
848
01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:49,140
But he seems to realize that it's not
going to happen without a bigger
849
01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:55,940
And because of that, once again, Vince
McMahon and Jim Hellwig somehow find
850
01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:57,060
their way back to one another.
851
01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:08,450
When you look back now, the Warriors'
career is sort of more about, like,
852
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:10,770
returns than it is about the matches.
853
01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:20,490
Around June of 1996, Helwig's father,
Thomas, died.
854
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:26,890
The two had not had much of a
relationship at all, but it seems to
855
01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:27,890
hard.
856
01:03:29,290 --> 01:03:33,360
In this period of time, He doesn't
attend a few shows.
857
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:38,500
But of course, with the WWE, you don't
miss shows.
858
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,300
As I recall, he had not seen his dad in
over 10 years and could care less about
859
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:45,800
him. And that was like, wait a minute.
860
01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:48,540
You're going to use this as an excuse?
861
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,880
That's the straw that breaks the camel's
back with me. I can't deal with anybody
862
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,880
like that.
863
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,160
He was terminated.
864
01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:04,770
An audience that was 5, 10, 15 years old
when Warrior was at his hottest had
865
01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:08,230
moved on to be obsessed with other
things besides the ultimate warrior.
866
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:16,830
So when that love and that adulation
wasn't there, he went back to
867
01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:21,050
being an 11 -year -old boy in the
trailer in Indiana whose father just
868
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:26,730
He starts traveling around to college
campuses.
869
01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:33,320
One that really stood out, it made major
headlines at the time, was a speech he
870
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,120
gave at the University of Connecticut.
871
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:48,920
I knew something
872
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,920
was wrong.
873
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,360
And I said, what did you say?
874
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,400
We'll talk when you get home.
875
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,640
You know, young kids, they get their
philosophy of life from people that are
876
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:09,640
older than them.
877
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,500
And today that's just not happening in
any place.
878
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,760
He's accepted the fact that the ultimate
warrior is not going to be mainstream,
879
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,680
but it's almost like he needed something
to fill the void. What's up?
880
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:25,100
I just wanted to show you what they're
passing out outside.
881
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,160
Just so you're prepared. Oh, good.
882
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,200
They're all prepared with the racism.
883
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:38,520
He finds this new identity in
conservative
884
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,520
ideology.
885
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,560
And he becomes a conservative blogger.
886
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:50,240
I would argue for the warrior and his
career, his persona, his business, it
887
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,040
not good that we got to see behind the
curtain.
888
01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:58,300
Every few weeks or whatever, it's like
another thing that Warrior's saying that
889
01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:59,460
is offensive.
890
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,980
Where do you think his strong political
views came from around that time?
891
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,480
Most people think I'm heavy metal or
something.
892
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:17,680
On the radio, typically, I do talk
radio.
893
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,618
That's it.
894
01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:23,400
Turn on talk radio was a really big
thing at the time.
895
01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:26,340
And you know something?
896
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:32,280
Rush Limbaugh is a great showman. So my
husband was like, we get each other.
897
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,020
So the talk radio thing became a big
thing in our house.
898
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,660
And certain news channels were on all
the time.
899
01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:46,060
I think he was just looking for a new
brotherhood.
900
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:51,330
It's never been the vision that people
have in their head that it's just
901
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:56,450
ultimate warrior as an identity. A
painted face pro wrestler with strings
902
01:06:56,450 --> 01:07:01,230
his arms and colorful characters and
physique and the body and stuff. It's
903
01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:07,190
it represents more on a fundamental
level, something or somebody that's
904
01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:11,830
to stand up and fight for what they
believe in, even if they die doing so.
905
01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:16,410
And when he came back from that speech.
906
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:19,180
I knew something was wrong.
907
01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:20,980
And I said, what did you say?
908
01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:24,700
Now I'm a conservative.
909
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:30,020
Liberals believe in a utopian society
where everything is equal.
910
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,960
That Kwanzaa is just as legitimate as
Santa Claus and Christmas.
911
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:44,800
That a terrorist is just as legitimate
as one of this country's revolution
912
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:45,880
freedom fighters.
913
01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:51,980
That we are as legitimate as
heterosexuals. How are they not?
914
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,740
That the anarchists because doesn't make
the world work.
915
01:07:59,260 --> 01:08:06,160
And from this moment, the speech has
just
916
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,740
become a straight dog fight.
917
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:22,680
As an Ultimate Warrior fan, you're like,
bro, like, I didn't sign up for that.
918
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,620
Like, you're starting to make me think
that the warrior might believe in some
919
01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:28,340
stuff that I don't necessarily believe
in.
920
01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:34,460
There's all people of all different
types of races and colors that look up
921
01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:37,540
you. Because I, you know, I grew up, my
dad wasn't there.
922
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:41,840
What's the warrior telling me? Just
don't worry about things. Just be that
923
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,560
little warrior that you are inside.
924
01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:51,479
So when you are acting that way and you
believe that in your heart, it can do a
925
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,840
lot of damage to those people that
looked up for you.
926
01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:56,180
Has anything like Yukon ever happened
before?
927
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,479
No.
928
01:08:57,620 --> 01:09:01,500
I was really disappointed.
929
01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:03,939
I was really disappointed.
930
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,000
And I let him know that.
931
01:09:06,569 --> 01:09:11,970
And he knew it was different, and he
knew he'd messed up.
932
01:09:12,350 --> 01:09:17,370
And I don't even think he didn't
understand the breadth of it until later
933
01:09:19,790 --> 01:09:21,370
But he knew it was bad.
934
01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:24,529
The self -destruction of the ultimate
warrior.
935
01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:29,609
So WWE puts out this DVD, the self
-destruction of the ultimate warrior.
936
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:33,330
And this, I think, was kind of a self
-serving mission.
937
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,939
We're done making money off this guy or
from this guy, and he's off hurting
938
01:09:37,939 --> 01:09:41,800
himself, his own brand, and by
extension, our brand. If we can limit
939
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,880
importance in our legacy, that's a win
for us. If we can charge $30 for it and
940
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,560
put a cool title on it and essentially
make as much money as we would off of a
941
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,180
WrestleMania, off of Jim without even
having his consent, even better. And
942
01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:58,540
wants these two kind of to be shoot
deals, right?
943
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,460
He wants to tell the truth. He wants
everybody to know.
944
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,800
A little controversy.
945
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:13,760
Felt Destruction of Ultimate Warrior was
not so much a documentary. It was more
946
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:14,760
of a hit piece.
947
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:21,940
You watched it and thought, at the very
least, this guy is not beloved by his
948
01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:25,180
peers. I don't know that he was really
born to be in this business.
949
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,460
To me, the man had no idea about
wrestling. Do I think Del Moro was Mary
950
01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:31,460
in the pan?
951
01:10:33,220 --> 01:10:34,220
Enough said.
952
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:41,020
I knew when the Ultimate Warrior won the
match, 68 ,000 people watched me leave
953
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:43,220
the building instead of watching the new
champ in the ring.
954
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:50,720
I knew that, okay, you know, I don't
want to be the one to say I told you so.
955
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,800
I never watched that DVD.
956
01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,660
People would not be alive if I'd watched
that DVD.
957
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:04,020
My husband wanted to watch it, and I
said, you shouldn't. He doesn't trust
958
01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:05,580
anyone in life.
959
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:11,140
And look, if you don't enjoy coming to
work, then you're going to bound to self
960
01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:12,460
-destruct somewhere along the line.
961
01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:21,800
He watched that DVD, and...
962
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,840
That broke a part of my husband that I
was never able to fix.
963
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:34,620
Nobody is going to hand you the
fulfillment of the
964
01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,620
dream you have in your mind about a
great life you want to live.
965
01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:43,160
In later years, it's almost as if he
will be frustrated with himself, but he
966
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,640
will project out onto others the
frustration he feels with his own life.
967
01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:48,260
I think you're pathetic.
968
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,220
Don't fail.
969
01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:53,420
Take back yourself.
970
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,580
And don't take any back talk from
yourself.
971
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:05,740
I think he was trying to reinvigorate
his own identity. Because when we
972
01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:12,280
fall down a hole, nobody can really get
you back out. You have to climb rung by
973
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,279
rung yourself.
974
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,160
And he did that.
975
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,560
so inspiring because he wasn't perfect.
Other people in the world aren't
976
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:30,060
perfect. We all mess up and sometimes
we're ignorant, but ignorance is
977
01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:33,220
educable and we can change and we can
grow and we can evolve.
978
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,740
I was very oblivious to his life before
he was a father. He was my dad, I was
979
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:50,820
daddy's little girl, and he doted on my
sister and I like any other dad that I
980
01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:51,820
knew.
981
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,900
He was so gentle with his warrior
babies, that's what he'd call us.
982
01:12:57,140 --> 01:13:01,400
You know that his father wasn't
incredibly involved in his life, and so
983
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,000
didn't really have that figure there.
984
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:09,080
But you don't necessarily need a role
model to become the man you want to
985
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,080
become.
986
01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:16,710
Very few people can overcome what they
lived through and not feel victimized by
987
01:13:16,710 --> 01:13:18,990
it, but instead chart a new course.
988
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:23,350
And that's what we did with our family.
We charted a new course.
989
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:29,670
What you saw in his character used to
translate a lot into his workout.
990
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:35,230
But most of the time here, we got to
know a different character.
991
01:13:35,550 --> 01:13:36,930
We got to know Warrior.
992
01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:39,250
And Warrior was a complete...
993
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,040
a different personality.
994
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,720
He made everybody feel special. He made
me feel special.
995
01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:51,100
I think that Warrior found himself in
Santa Fe. I think he found a calmer
996
01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:54,560
setting for him to really think, to
paint.
997
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:59,900
Art became a really big part of his life
when he wasn't putting on his face
998
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:04,020
paint every day. You know, the face
paint became the paint on the canvas
999
01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:05,020
instead.
1000
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,260
He had his daughters. He had Dana.
1001
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:26,360
Our friendship was about just
1002
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,320
enjoying life. Have fun. You are who you
are.
1003
01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:37,620
I think that my husband needed hyper
-masculinity in order to feel safe.
1004
01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,240
But with the friends that he made in our
town of Santa Fe, he was able to
1005
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:49,680
experience grown adult men who had no
vendetta against him. And so I think
1006
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,180
my husband was finally ready to be
inducted in the Hall of Fame, he was
1007
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:59,100
somebody that was actually worthy of
that honor in his own mind, but also for
1008
01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:00,100
the fans.
1009
01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:07,260
Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the
ring by two young ladies who were so
1010
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:11,220
special in his life, may I present
Warrior.
1011
01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:35,910
For several years, the WWE had tried to
find ways of getting
1012
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:38,050
Warrior into the Hall of Fame.
1013
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:40,910
And he had repeatedly said no.
1014
01:15:42,570 --> 01:15:48,070
This particular year, for whatever
reason, Warrior was able to trust.
1015
01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:53,370
And I said, I apologize for anything
I've ever said, anything I've ever done.
1016
01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:56,910
That was then, let's just bury the
hatchet and move on.
1017
01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:58,470
So you just can't believe it's been...
1018
01:15:58,990 --> 01:16:00,350
As long as it has been.
1019
01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:05,130
He enters into an agreement with the WWE
to become an ambassador for a period of
1020
01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:06,130
several years.
1021
01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:10,990
Obviously, there was a tension with the
relationship with WWE throughout the
1022
01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:13,790
years. You know what I mean? What does
it mean to kind of get back into the
1023
01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:15,010
and kind of repair things?
1024
01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:19,370
Well, it means a lot.
1025
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:23,070
Well,
1026
01:16:23,730 --> 01:16:27,070
it means a lot. You know, it was
purposeful that they put the DVD out.
1027
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,560
It hurt my feelings a lot, man. It hurt
me that they did that.
1028
01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:40,340
You know, I have a lot of emotion about
coming back.
1029
01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:45,540
It's well known that the Hellwig men had
a short lifespan.
1030
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,300
His grandfather died in his 50s.
1031
01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:53,460
His father died in his 50s. And knowing
that...
1032
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,420
Most of the Hell Week boys die at a
young age. Definitely has to color how
1033
01:16:59,420 --> 01:17:03,380
live your life. You either face it or
you live in fear of it.
1034
01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,940
Great. Let me get that down.
1035
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:13,120
Bring that for... I think it was
calculated on his part because he knew
1036
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:19,900
that by reigniting this relationship
with the WWE, he can be the man that his
1037
01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:21,400
father never was for him.
1038
01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:28,560
This was his moment to set aside the
hurt, the ego, the pride,
1039
01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:34,380
all of the things that had kept him
estranged, and to say, I'm going to do
1040
01:17:34,380 --> 01:17:35,660
for my family.
1041
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,180
You built a brand. These are the
graphics that support the brand.
1042
01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:46,480
There are a few legitimately tough guys
in our business.
1043
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,760
Most of us aren't.
1044
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,300
So we get to go out there and we get to
act like tough guys.
1045
01:17:53,780 --> 01:17:55,700
And people look up to you and you're
larger than life.
1046
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,340
And there's responsibility that comes
with that.
1047
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,660
Responsibility is that if you get to do
that, you get that opportunity to do
1048
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:06,880
that, then you should be able to go out
into the real world and handle a simple
1049
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,900
thing like life.
1050
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,920
You know, it's hard for me because when
you get disrespected like that, you
1051
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:26,620
know, I got kids and I got family and it
just was so wrong in so many
1052
01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:30,920
ways. I love you very much. I want you
to know that. Thanks a lot, man. I've
1053
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,920
been dying to see you and I really do. I
really do.
1054
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:36,220
No matter what.
1055
01:18:38,420 --> 01:18:41,000
I think he was just really excited to go
home.
1056
01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:46,960
And absolutely he wanted that
reconciliation with Vince because Vince,
1057
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:47,579
to him.
1058
01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:52,200
But he also wanted to show Vince, I have
family now, too.
1059
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,460
And now you're part of it. I don't need
you to be all of it.
1060
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:03,420
Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the
ring by two young ladies who were so
1061
01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:07,360
special in his life, may I present
Warrior.
1062
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:26,160
In 1991, Vince wrote me a letter. He
said, you think you're a legend in your
1063
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,160
mind.
1064
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,080
But I didn't think that I was a legend
in my mind. But I will tell you this,
1065
01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,540
Vince. The Ultimate Warrior is a legend
today.
1066
01:19:35,060 --> 01:19:40,700
And he will continue to run into the
hearts and minds of fans throughout
1067
01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:43,440
generations to come. And I'm proud of
that.
1068
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,860
I'm proud of you for supporting me in
fighting for the Ultimate Warrior to be
1069
01:19:47,860 --> 01:19:49,180
inducted into the Hall of Fame.
1070
01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:59,160
Regardless of personal stuff, regardless
of what you see on the internet or
1071
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,120
anything, we're now all grown -ups.
We're nostalgically looking at this guy
1072
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,060
like, yes, this is when I was six. This
is the guy I was watching. I'm so happy
1073
01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:08,060
he's back.
1074
01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:12,440
From the moment he ran onto WWE
television until he, you know...
1075
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:13,960
Took the belt from Hogan.
1076
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,220
Hold that up against any wrestler in the
history of wrestling. That's what we
1077
01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:19,220
were celebrating.
1078
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,920
I mean, I was there on Monday Night Raw
when he came out, and I've never been in
1079
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,580
a crowd that felt like that.
1080
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,960
One day beats its final beat.
1081
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,740
His lungs breathe their final breath.
1082
01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:00,560
And if what that man did in his life
makes the blood pulse through the body
1083
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:07,460
others and makes them bleed deeper in
something than larger than life, then
1084
01:21:07,460 --> 01:21:11,580
essence, his spirit will be
immortalized.
1085
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,420
You, you, you, you are.
1086
01:21:16,030 --> 01:21:18,870
The legend makers of Ultimate Warrior.
1087
01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:28,510
Finally, Jim, he understood how it all
worked then. And that may be, as far as
1088
01:21:28,510 --> 01:21:32,210
know, about the only time he's ever been
at peace with himself. He so
1089
01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:38,670
appreciated the honor and what have you.
And unfortunately, a
1090
01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:40,270
couple of days later, he died.
1091
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,160
Everything felt so good.
1092
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,220
My kids are so proud of their dad.
1093
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,560
We were going to go to Arizona and have
spring break.
1094
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:08,720
And we got on a plane to go to Phoenix,
and we get to the hotel, and
1095
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,120
he said, I don't feel good.
1096
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,480
I said, I know, babe, neither do I.
Like, it's been hectic. It's going to be
1097
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:17,700
fine. You just rest.
1098
01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:21,430
What do you need? I'll go get it for
you. Like, he's like, no, I don't feel
1099
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:24,650
good. And he said, I think I need to go
to the hospital. And that's where I was
1100
01:22:24,650 --> 01:22:27,850
like, oh, no.
1101
01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:34,370
And I didn't want the girls to come
because I didn't want them to be scared.
1102
01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:38,490
So they were old enough to lock the
door.
1103
01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:46,950
It was one second before we were out the
door.
1104
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,040
and catch him.
1105
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,400
And we get to the hospital and they
wheel him back there.
1106
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:11,520
And they said he didn't make it.
1107
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,120
And I also knew, like, I was going to
have to tell my kids.
1108
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,460
And I left them at the hotel at the
last...
1109
01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:30,890
Thinking I was protecting them, but then
did I rob them of the last moment with
1110
01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:31,890
their dad?
1111
01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:51,650
What he built at home was far greater
than anything the ultimate
1112
01:23:51,650 --> 01:23:55,030
warrior achieved in front of the
television cameras.
1113
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,780
That's the tragedy of the man's life.
When he finally found the love that he
1114
01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:10,080
couldn't find as a child, and he had
nothing left to hate, that's when his
1115
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,080
gave up.
1116
01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:16,500
You know, I mean, I can remember back
when I was a young kid, being the kid in
1117
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:20,200
the wrong place at the wrong time, my
dad leaving when I was 12, 13 years old,
1118
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,280
having self -doubts about myself like
any young kid does.
1119
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You create your own sort of fantasy.
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protector, in a sense. You know, the
thing that you connect with to make you
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strong, to get you through the self
-doubts that you have.
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His daughters are definitely his lasting
legacy.
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He was never more proud of anything in
his life than his girls.
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And he wanted both of them, which they
do, to have that warrior spirit.
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There's nothing simple about Jim Helwig.
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He was a flawed and complicated human
being who made some serious mistakes in
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his life.
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But it's a human story.
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Having done Ultimate Warrior as a sports
entertainment identity, why I think the
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way I do, it's built into us. It's a
part of our nature. It's a part of our
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human nature to grow.
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I think redemption is a heavy burden to
place on any one human being because
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we're all on a journey to find out who
it is that we are.
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I don't believe that my husband's story
ends with his passing.
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I believe that that spirit of the
warrior lives on in each and every one
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who decides to do better.
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