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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,640 --> 00:00:06,360 Ready for another take, Kerwin? Slowly, halfway through, widen out a little bit, 2 00:00:06,460 --> 00:00:10,280 and go right back to that extreme close -up. Okay, Kerwin, here. Remember what's 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,280 going on in the ring. 4 00:00:13,540 --> 00:00:16,040 I can smell it! 5 00:00:16,500 --> 00:00:18,080 It's in the air! 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,420 I feel the cosmic powers of Mars! 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,000 The clouds of Jupiter! 8 00:00:25,300 --> 00:00:27,480 The boiling heat of Mercury! 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,040 I can feel... 10 00:00:37,230 --> 00:00:40,650 My dad taught my sister and I a creed and he would make us write it out. 11 00:00:42,630 --> 00:00:43,630 Live strong. 12 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:45,550 Act bold. 13 00:00:46,850 --> 00:00:47,850 Be brave. 14 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:50,610 History has been made here! 15 00:00:51,570 --> 00:00:52,990 Nothing's too hard to do. 16 00:00:53,270 --> 00:00:54,270 Start with that. 17 00:00:54,490 --> 00:00:55,490 Always believe. 18 00:00:56,510 --> 00:01:00,270 I walked as the general of a legion of warriors! 19 00:01:03,070 --> 00:01:04,890 Ultimate Warrior was just... 20 00:01:05,290 --> 00:01:06,710 He was a moment in time. 21 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:12,690 And the ultimate warrior, the guy that we grew up watching, the guy that fought 22 00:01:12,690 --> 00:01:19,490 Hulk Hogan and beat him, was separate from Jim Hellwee. Don't let the tin cup 23 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:21,530 kick hit you in the mouth and knock your teeth out. 24 00:01:24,850 --> 00:01:28,490 The complicated layers of his own psyche. 25 00:01:33,250 --> 00:01:37,590 created a man who at times was very difficult to get a grasp on. 26 00:01:38,410 --> 00:01:39,410 You're me. 27 00:01:41,870 --> 00:01:45,050 He probably wouldn't have been driven to be the ultimate warrior if he hadn't 28 00:01:45,050 --> 00:01:47,750 had the pain he experienced in his early life. 29 00:01:51,150 --> 00:01:54,450 You've got to have some kind of an explanation, ultimate warrior. 30 00:01:54,730 --> 00:01:57,750 He might not have gone on to be the person that he was afterwards if it 31 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:00,750 been for the disappointment he was experiencing while we were all cheering 32 00:02:00,750 --> 00:02:01,750 him. 33 00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:07,930 You have seen very small snippets of the man that I knew personally. 34 00:02:09,110 --> 00:02:15,850 You think of the guy who's, you know, big and tough, but he'd tuck us in at 35 00:02:15,850 --> 00:02:17,970 night so gently and read us our books. 36 00:02:19,270 --> 00:02:23,330 And if there's something really sad or really rough, like, he'd leave it out. 37 00:02:25,890 --> 00:02:30,010 And that was a beautiful thing for when we're little. But there's not that 38 00:02:30,010 --> 00:02:31,010 privilege anymore. 39 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:33,700 You have to tell the full story. 40 00:02:33,900 --> 00:02:38,500 And with the past seven years that's gone on, you don't want to censor 41 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:40,860 Like this is the story of the ultimate warrior. 42 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:45,080 Read the full book. 43 00:03:00,490 --> 00:03:02,850 He was skinny. He was real skinny. 44 00:03:03,170 --> 00:03:06,990 You know, I had a picture, I couldn't find it, of him in a football outfit. 45 00:03:07,290 --> 00:03:11,510 Poor beanpole, skinny legs, cute as a button. 46 00:03:15,750 --> 00:03:19,270 Jim Hellwig was the oldest of five siblings. 47 00:03:19,770 --> 00:03:22,510 He had two brothers, two sisters. 48 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:26,570 This is a picture of the four kids before I had my last one. 49 00:03:30,860 --> 00:03:36,520 Here is the place that I understood Jim to tell me he grew up in this mobile 50 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,980 home and said that he lifted weights on that front porch right there. 51 00:03:44,420 --> 00:03:48,320 Crawfordsville seems like 18 ,000 people. Very rural. 52 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,380 Demographics of this area, blue collar. 53 00:03:53,660 --> 00:03:59,900 Everybody knows or has an idea of everybody in the community. 54 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,020 No, I don't think he was real popular with the girls. Deep down, I think he 55 00:04:08,020 --> 00:04:11,700 shy, insecure, insecure, yes. 56 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:19,200 He always worshipped his mom for her efforts and was always very 57 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,720 complimentary of his mom and loved her very much. 58 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:30,780 His father departing their family was a pivotal moment for him. 59 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:38,080 I just think, and it's not just Jim, but all three of my boys, they had such 60 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,780 shame that their dad could leave them. 61 00:04:42,260 --> 00:04:47,280 He'd come back and go mushroom hunting. He'd come back and go to ball games and 62 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:49,520 never come to see his kids. 63 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:58,040 Jim's dad leaving seems to have been at least a beginning point of 64 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,700 major trust issues in his life. 65 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:07,080 He had a lot of insecurities due to the fact that he was 10 when his father 66 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,040 left. I think it devastated him. 67 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:19,940 I think, if I would be honest, having five kids and having to work 68 00:05:19,940 --> 00:05:23,940 so much, that the kids didn't always get the reassurance they needed. 69 00:05:24,340 --> 00:05:27,200 He didn't get all the attention he needed. 70 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:37,190 Growing up in a town like Jim Helwig did, there's sort of the haves and the 71 00:05:37,190 --> 00:05:42,610 -nots. And when his dad left and wasn't contributing financially to the family, 72 00:05:42,710 --> 00:05:46,410 suddenly Jim finds himself as one of the have -nots. 73 00:05:47,670 --> 00:05:52,310 Jim felt that a lot of people in the community looked down on him. 74 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,620 He also very definitively said, I'm going to show these people. I'm going to 75 00:05:56,620 --> 00:06:00,600 something with my life. Which you think about it, this is a 17 -year -old who 76 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,560 has embraced this, I'm going to conquer the world attitude because of the way he 77 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,560 feels that the people of his community had rejected him and his family. 78 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:18,520 He also then goes searching for an identity. 79 00:06:18,970 --> 00:06:23,370 beyond his father. And that's what ends up leading him to sports. 80 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:29,790 And Jim ends up meeting Gary Pate. The first time I ever met Jim 81 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:34,470 would be at football practice back in 1975. 82 00:06:36,450 --> 00:06:41,970 The first time I ever saw Jim was in this classroom right here. All the team 83 00:06:41,970 --> 00:06:43,550 members were sitting in here. 84 00:06:43,790 --> 00:06:47,910 Well, when you saw some of these kids, those guys were all about six foot two. 85 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:56,420 220, 225, and Jim looked to be about, at that time, 5 '10 and 86 00:06:56,420 --> 00:06:57,940 125. 87 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:02,780 I'm sure he probably might have weighed more, but he didn't look like it. 88 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:09,600 As the year went on, he found out that I would be in the weight room when I had 89 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,500 time. He'd ask if he could come in with me, and I'd say, sure, yeah. 90 00:07:14,060 --> 00:07:18,340 Come in and lift all you want. And we would lift, and he would be intense 91 00:07:18,340 --> 00:07:19,340 his lifting. 92 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:25,260 You have Jim and Gary, who for about three years end up lifting together on 93 00:07:25,260 --> 00:07:30,360 of a cruddy old lifting machine in their high school. This is how he learned to 94 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,380 bond with people, especially with paternal figures, working out with them 95 00:07:35,380 --> 00:07:36,380 lifting with them. 96 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:43,320 By his senior year, Jim was utterly fascinated with bodybuilding, and he was 97 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,160 constantly trying to get his hands on bodybuilding magazines and materials. 98 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,400 He would apparently be looking at these magazines and say things like, I can't 99 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,600 wait till I'm this massive. 100 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,740 He had the Arnold Schwarzenegger poster in his room, you know. He'd have his 101 00:07:59,740 --> 00:08:05,460 easy curl bar in there and would be pumping iron facing the Arnold 102 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:07,040 Schwarzenegger poster. 103 00:08:07,870 --> 00:08:09,470 You know, and like, get it. 104 00:08:10,070 --> 00:08:15,330 You know, he knew that he needed to seek his own ambitions. 105 00:08:15,670 --> 00:08:19,290 So he wasn't stuck in that rural area because he needed to go on a farm or 106 00:08:19,290 --> 00:08:22,950 in a factory. But he didn't have no desire to do either one of them for a 107 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:23,950 living. 108 00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:27,350 Jim's pursuit of a bodybuilding career. 109 00:08:28,060 --> 00:08:34,380 Deemed to have manifested in the early 1980s. But he makes a move over to 110 00:08:34,380 --> 00:08:40,179 Georgia because he feels like there is a better opportunity for the professional 111 00:08:40,179 --> 00:08:41,179 bodybuilding scene. 112 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:46,620 During that time in Georgia, he meets his future wife, Sherry. They get 113 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:51,100 You know, he gets married pretty young. He goes down to Atlanta to try to start 114 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:51,819 this career. 115 00:08:51,820 --> 00:08:54,800 You know, he's sort of going through the stations of, like, what growing up and 116 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,480 entering adulthood looks like. 117 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:03,820 And by 1984, he's made the move to definitively try to get himself into 118 00:09:03,820 --> 00:09:05,000 competition shape. 119 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,480 And he does so and manages to win a pretty significant competition in 1984. 120 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:11,800 He wins Mr. 121 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,600 Georgia. I knew that it would serve me well to make my body different from 122 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,460 everybody else. Like a comic book character, just walked off the pages. 123 00:09:22,270 --> 00:09:27,290 He was dedicated, and he had a goal where he wanted to go with this lifting. 124 00:09:27,610 --> 00:09:34,170 He never said, I'm going to be the world champion WWE, and I'm going to pick up 125 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:36,110 Andre the Giant and body slam him. 126 00:09:36,930 --> 00:09:42,910 But he did say, I will, one of these days, be a person that people will 127 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:46,990 remember. He said, I'll guarantee you that people will remember me. 128 00:09:58,570 --> 00:10:00,430 Today I'm boxing with my coach. 129 00:10:01,010 --> 00:10:05,190 I love boxing. I feel like my dad. I feel strong and powerful when I do it. 130 00:10:06,470 --> 00:10:10,850 I love the intensity that comes out, the release from it. It feels like him. I 131 00:10:10,850 --> 00:10:12,850 would hear him screaming out in the gym. 132 00:10:13,170 --> 00:10:15,570 I'm like, oh, I'm a little bit like him when I'm in the gym. 133 00:10:17,370 --> 00:10:23,010 Coming from my background, growing up in a town of 600 people, I stumbled into 134 00:10:23,010 --> 00:10:27,590 the weight room we had at our school in front of a kid, scared of my own shadow. 135 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:31,210 And I started gaining weight really quick. 136 00:10:31,490 --> 00:10:36,030 And when I started gaining weight and putting size on my body, I thought to 137 00:10:36,030 --> 00:10:38,590 myself, well, I can change my life another way. 138 00:10:41,470 --> 00:10:45,110 Is it something that I can strive to get better at and I can look back at my 139 00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:48,610 younger self and think, like, oh, I thought I was so good back then, and 140 00:10:48,610 --> 00:10:51,690 you climb the wall and you get better and better? 141 00:10:54,870 --> 00:10:57,750 Well, in terms of becoming a wrestler, never say never. 142 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,100 So I scheduled an appointment with the high school counselor. 143 00:11:05,700 --> 00:11:09,500 Fifteen seconds after I started telling her what I wanted to do, she put her 144 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:14,100 hand up to my face about ten inches away from it, and she said, put that silly 145 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:16,620 stuff away, and let me tell you what you need to do. 146 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:23,500 This summer, you need to get a job at the factory, do a good job, come back 147 00:11:23,500 --> 00:11:26,840 finish your senior year, and when you graduate, you should be able to get a 148 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:27,840 -time job. 149 00:11:28,220 --> 00:11:29,780 Now what else can I help you with? 150 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,980 For any bodybuilder, when you build your body, it's like putting on your armor. 151 00:11:41,100 --> 00:11:45,340 You know, you're building your muscle, which is your armor, to protect yourself 152 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:50,880 from who you are really inside. You could be this insecure person, but now 153 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,680 you're, you know, 240, 250 pounds, you know, muscle. 154 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,640 It totally makes sense that someone without a male role model who's in 155 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:03,320 what masculinity means to them, it makes sense that they would look at the world 156 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,320 of bodybuilding. 157 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,740 In the 80s, I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine if you weren't there, but 158 00:12:11,740 --> 00:12:14,540 bodybuilding was a huge deal. 159 00:12:14,780 --> 00:12:18,720 There was really only one person everyone was talking about, and that was 160 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:19,720 Schwarzenegger. 161 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:24,460 He was in the movie Pumping Iron, and those images became iconic. 162 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:33,200 Arnold Schwarzenegger becomes a huge star. I mean, arguably the biggest star 163 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,200 Hollywood. 164 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,400 How did he get there? 165 00:12:36,730 --> 00:12:41,070 It wasn't just, hey, let me go to acting school and become this movie star. It 166 00:12:41,070 --> 00:12:47,270 was, oh, he goes to the gym all the time, and he never quits. Jim says, I 167 00:12:47,270 --> 00:12:50,850 that. If you really want to make it, you've got to move to California. 168 00:12:52,770 --> 00:12:55,790 Gold's Gym Venice in the 80s became the Mecca. 169 00:12:57,450 --> 00:13:03,270 Gold's Gym became the standard for anyone who wanted to become a 170 00:13:17,879 --> 00:13:21,820 I contacted Jim and I invited him out to California to train for his next 171 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:24,180 contest because I thought he had a lot of potential. 172 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,640 Ed introduced me to Jim saying, here's a young guy who's trying to win the 173 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,080 nationals. My first house in Venice was just two blocks from the gym. So the 174 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:38,260 guys would stay at the house and they would learn from each other. We knew how 175 00:13:38,260 --> 00:13:40,860 they trained or what they ate or what they took for supplements. 176 00:13:43,210 --> 00:13:49,210 Ed one day came into the gym and he wanted me to let this big dude come in 177 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:52,650 train. The guy was a giant, you know. He wasn't just big, he was kind of freaky. 178 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:55,750 He had a freaky build, a freaky physique. 179 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:59,230 And when he walked through the room or through the gym or anywhere else, people 180 00:13:59,230 --> 00:14:06,030 went... Performance enhancing drugs and steroids were 181 00:14:06,030 --> 00:14:08,650 definitely in fashion when it came to the world of bodybuilding. 182 00:14:08,990 --> 00:14:12,810 Steroids were part of the regimen of what you took to be... 183 00:14:13,180 --> 00:14:14,220 a pro bodybuilder. 184 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:19,580 What it did is it gave you the ability to basically be in an anabolic state. 185 00:14:19,580 --> 00:14:22,700 can train hours in the gym and not break down. 186 00:14:23,020 --> 00:14:27,540 But the thing was, if they were legal back then, you can actually have access 187 00:14:27,540 --> 00:14:29,920 go to a pharmacy and just buy them on your own. 188 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:35,140 I think if people were to open my refrigerator, they would have probably 189 00:14:35,140 --> 00:14:39,040 shocked. You know, most of the steroids have to be refrigerated. So some of my 190 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,240 family members would visit. And so when they pulled out the fruit drawer, they 191 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,400 got something other than fruit. 192 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,360 So I'm going to take the time to talk to you about this. 193 00:14:48,620 --> 00:14:49,840 Then you can get it done, right? 194 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,480 So I got up and couraged one day. I weighed about 175 pounds. I go up to 195 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,240 guy. He's leaving the gym. And I tapped him on the shoulder. I said... 196 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:01,400 Can I ask you about steroids? Before I even got the word steroid out of my 197 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:02,420 mouth, he turned around. 198 00:15:02,740 --> 00:15:06,940 The guy just towered over me. He said, before I ever heard about steroids, I 199 00:15:06,940 --> 00:15:09,080 number three in the whole world. 200 00:15:09,620 --> 00:15:13,160 But when you get up there in that upper epsilon, there may be a different set of 201 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,060 rules. And what he was telling me as a young punk kid of only 18 years old, he 202 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:21,760 was saying, you get there, you do what it takes to get there, and then you 203 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:26,040 about making that decision. I weighed 295 pounds before I ever touched him. 204 00:15:27,099 --> 00:15:28,640 That's the story about steroids. 205 00:15:28,900 --> 00:15:30,440 And you better get that story right. 206 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,520 And the next competitor is Jim Helwig. 207 00:15:36,940 --> 00:15:42,060 You know, guys like Jim, who I saw as this big guy, you would think he would 208 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:44,340 become a great pro bodybuilder. 209 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,800 Jim's goal back then was basically, I think, to make money and have a great 210 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,540 You only made money when you were a top pro. 211 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:56,570 But if you didn't place and win the nationals or you didn't win the Mr. 212 00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:59,070 USAs, you really weren't going to make money. 213 00:15:59,470 --> 00:16:04,710 On some level, he had to come to the realization that just being a great 214 00:16:04,710 --> 00:16:08,310 bodybuilder in and of itself was not going to make him rich and famous. 215 00:16:09,410 --> 00:16:14,850 I guess his path was to go more towards becoming a professional wrestler, you 216 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:17,070 know, where he saw money to be made. 217 00:16:20,110 --> 00:16:23,590 In the early 80s, wrestling was a big deal. It was on TV a lot. 218 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:26,230 The wrestlers would train at Gold's Gym Venice. 219 00:16:26,470 --> 00:16:30,390 So we actually formed our own then Gold's Gym team, which was composed of 220 00:16:30,390 --> 00:16:31,309 tag teams. 221 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:36,330 Out of the four, we had, you know, a big monster that just disappeared one day. 222 00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:40,170 And I said, hey, I remember meeting this guy, Jim Hellwig. He just won a 223 00:16:40,170 --> 00:16:42,110 bodybuilding competition. He's huge. 224 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:46,350 We should call him. When I talked with Jim, I explained that we had lost the 225 00:16:46,350 --> 00:16:49,350 member of our team, and he'd be perfect for it. 226 00:16:49,580 --> 00:16:53,620 He said, what does it pay? And when I told him $100 a night, he said, well, 227 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,120 that's more money than I'm making now. 228 00:16:55,740 --> 00:16:58,780 We sent out press kits. We got one phone call back. 229 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,360 It was about three days later, but we got a phone call back from Jerry 230 00:17:02,540 --> 00:17:05,760 He said, yeah, I'm looking at a picture, and I got four guys in this picture, 231 00:17:05,819 --> 00:17:09,520 but he says, I can only use two of you. Which two do you want? He goes, I want 232 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,000 the two guys to the far left in this picture I'm looking at. So we got in the 233 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,619 car, my 83 T -Bird, and we left California, and we drove out to 234 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:17,739 Tennessee. 235 00:17:17,740 --> 00:17:18,740 And that's where it started. 236 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:24,569 Right now, we would like to welcome in a couple of brand -new faces to 237 00:17:24,569 --> 00:17:27,450 championship wrestling, a couple of guys you're going to get to know and know 238 00:17:27,450 --> 00:17:31,690 well, too. We're talking about the Freedom Fighters, Jim Helwig. Jim, glad 239 00:17:31,690 --> 00:17:35,270 have you here, and Steve Borden. Steve, glad to have you guys here. This is your 240 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:38,670 first time out here. We want to get a little background on you. 241 00:17:39,530 --> 00:17:43,890 Are you guys married, have families, or what? No, we're single. We're looking 242 00:17:43,890 --> 00:17:44,890 forward to it. You're both single? 243 00:17:45,150 --> 00:17:48,270 Yeah, we're single. You hear that? Girls are both single here. I want to get 244 00:17:48,270 --> 00:17:49,270 that around. 245 00:17:51,690 --> 00:17:53,670 My first reaction was, wow. 246 00:17:53,910 --> 00:17:57,210 I saw two good -looking guys that were going to draw the girls into the 247 00:17:57,250 --> 00:18:00,010 and that's what it was all about for us back then. Back in the day, we never 248 00:18:00,010 --> 00:18:03,950 told anybody they were married or you were engaged or anything else because it 249 00:18:03,950 --> 00:18:06,090 would hurt the girls from coming to the buildings. 250 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:10,050 They're young. They've still got a lot to learn in wrestling, but, boy, they 251 00:18:10,050 --> 00:18:11,990 sure have got the physical attitude, David. 252 00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:16,210 There was no sort of gracefulness. There was no... 253 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:21,740 slow and poetic storytelling it was just boom energy and i'm coming and i'm 254 00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:25,400 hitting you as hard as i can and i'm leaving and it doesn't necessarily 255 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,000 with the audience like why are we cheering for these good guys just 256 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,700 snot out of these much smaller guys and so they had to make a shift because it 257 00:18:33,700 --> 00:18:38,300 wasn't working our thought was yeah let's change let's go heal let's change 258 00:18:38,300 --> 00:18:41,720 look and let's come up with something real you know kind of freaky looking 259 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Before long, Steve Borden and Jim Helwig were repackaged into the Blade Runners. 260 00:19:05,420 --> 00:19:09,580 I think that they realized that intensity was what they had to offer. So 261 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:13,800 promos that you would see were just guys working out. They weren't saying 262 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,340 anything, but it was just, we're super intense dudes, and we can lift super 263 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:21,120 heavy things, and sometimes we wear mascara. 264 00:19:25,260 --> 00:19:28,320 The matches were horrible. 265 00:19:28,830 --> 00:19:33,050 with those guys. And it was one of those situations where at the time we could 266 00:19:33,050 --> 00:19:36,630 have taken them and maybe spent a lot of time and, you know, put them in opening 267 00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:40,290 matches and tried to train them. But these guys already thought that they 268 00:19:40,290 --> 00:19:42,170 ready for the big time just because of their look. 269 00:19:46,170 --> 00:19:46,570 Jim 270 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:53,510 Hellwig has 271 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:57,370 sort of reached the peak of physical perfection, right? He goes to pro 272 00:19:57,370 --> 00:20:02,850 wrestling. in search of fame and fortune. And then he sort of has to 273 00:20:03,010 --> 00:20:06,350 right? He has to start paying his dues. He's not making any money. He's 274 00:20:06,350 --> 00:20:09,330 traveling. He's on the road all the time. Ladies and gentlemen, the most 275 00:20:09,330 --> 00:20:12,890 tag team in professional wrestling, the Blade Runners! 276 00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:19,330 We were on, you know, the 4th of July, you know, a matinee show, evening show. 277 00:20:19,530 --> 00:20:23,170 New Year's Eve, New Year's Day, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, Easter 278 00:20:23,170 --> 00:20:24,890 didn't matter. We were doing two shows a day. 279 00:20:25,170 --> 00:20:26,790 This man is just so powerful. 280 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,640 Punishing kicks. 281 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,560 Things were so bad while he was driving used taxi cabs that had like 400 ,000 or 282 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,780 500 ,000 miles on them. It was just incredible. 283 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,260 Nice move by Brett. 284 00:20:38,860 --> 00:20:39,860 Drop kick. 285 00:20:40,380 --> 00:20:47,020 He was very much so, you know, opinionated kind of a guy, and he 286 00:20:47,020 --> 00:20:50,360 was not shy about sharing his opinion. 287 00:20:50,890 --> 00:20:54,850 Didn't matter what the topic was, you know. We actually walked away at one 288 00:20:54,950 --> 00:20:56,350 We walked out on our main event. 289 00:20:56,630 --> 00:21:00,510 And the next day, I got a phone call. You need to come up to Little Rock 290 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:03,370 tonight. Bill's holding a couple of your paychecks. You'll never get them unless 291 00:21:03,370 --> 00:21:05,330 you come and put a notice in and finish out. 292 00:21:05,570 --> 00:21:06,930 So I said, OK. 293 00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:10,810 You know, let me try to get a hold of Jim and see if we can make this happen. 294 00:21:10,810 --> 00:21:11,830 couldn't get Jim anywhere. 295 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:16,850 So I went and did the show and came back. And the next day, Jim was pretty 296 00:21:16,970 --> 00:21:18,050 You know, like, what'd you do? 297 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,519 What are you doing? 298 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,820 How could you do that to me? I said, Jim, what are you talking about? 299 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,560 He was real pissed. 300 00:21:23,820 --> 00:21:29,100 And that ultimately ended up, you know, leading to, you know, us parting ways as 301 00:21:29,100 --> 00:21:30,100 well. 302 00:21:31,980 --> 00:21:34,580 Blade runners, no doubt about, are big, strong individuals. 303 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,320 But I don't think they've got what it takes inside. 304 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:39,760 And I'm speaking of intestinal fortitude. 305 00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:45,940 I think he just wanted to kind of go off on his own. And it ended up he was 306 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:46,940 probably right. 307 00:21:49,710 --> 00:21:56,390 Hellwig decides he's going to leave, and he has an opening with WCCW over in the 308 00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:57,390 Dallas area. 309 00:21:57,630 --> 00:22:02,190 Welcome to world -class championship wrestling, the major league of 310 00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:05,550 wrestling seen around the world and across this great nation. 311 00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:13,370 WCCW had really an international following of sorts because the Von 312 00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:16,530 Eriks were like a first family of wrestling. 313 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,240 They had an audience that was very unique in the history of wrestling. 314 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:27,580 A large percentage of the audience was women, and it was all about really good 315 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:29,040 -looking guys with great bodies. 316 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:35,980 So Jim comes in, and I mean, Jim is like perfect for that specific audience. 317 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:41,820 I remember the first night I drove in there, they came up to me and said, he's 318 00:22:41,820 --> 00:22:45,620 got a warrior thing about him or something like that. Then somebody came 319 00:22:45,620 --> 00:22:46,820 had a little puppy, a new puppy. 320 00:22:47,360 --> 00:22:50,960 And they were asking him what kind of dog it was. He says, a dingo. And 321 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,260 just, you know, somebody that was, you know, not quite sober yet said, dingo, 322 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,200 dingo warrior, that'll work. We'll do that tonight. 323 00:22:59,180 --> 00:23:04,800 So that was the beginning of the dingo warrior thing. From Queens, New York, 324 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,960 pounds, the dingo warrior. 325 00:23:08,900 --> 00:23:11,120 He was billed as being from Queens, New York. 326 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,260 So there's no dingoes in Queens. 327 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Dingoes are Australian. 328 00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:21,710 And the word dingo is just a ridiculous, silly word. It just sounds hilarious 329 00:23:21,710 --> 00:23:22,930 and not intimidating. 330 00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:31,370 Look at the awesome physical beauty of the dingo warrior. 331 00:23:31,630 --> 00:23:34,210 I'll tell you, Brian, it's proud behind him to 100 percent. 332 00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:38,650 So you bring any freaking nature you want to the world. But because believe 333 00:23:38,670 --> 00:23:40,970 brother, I've looked in the eyes of darkness before. 334 00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:45,610 And I'm not scared of it, and I never will be with the Warriors by my back. 335 00:23:46,690 --> 00:23:53,390 As the Dingo Warrior, Jim Helwig gets a noticeable following in WCCW. 336 00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:57,250 Listen to the crowd. 337 00:23:57,530 --> 00:23:59,130 Round up for the Dingo Man. 338 00:24:02,270 --> 00:24:05,650 It was very obvious to me that the business, it was... 339 00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:09,290 going a direction where it wasn't so much like Dick the Bruiser and the 340 00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:12,870 those kinds of wrestlers that I remembered as a kid growing up with in 341 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:17,450 and that something different was going on with it. You know, I was painting the 342 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:18,530 logo on my face. 343 00:24:18,850 --> 00:24:22,550 Dingo Warrior, to me, was the poorer version of the Ultimate Warrior. I 344 00:24:22,550 --> 00:24:25,070 really have much money to spend on that kind of stuff. 345 00:24:25,390 --> 00:24:28,570 But it just grew, man. It really turned into something really fantastic. 346 00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:31,350 And here's a man of awesome proportions. 347 00:24:32,140 --> 00:24:36,120 who has to be counted on to be one of the major influences in professional 348 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,120 wrestling today. 349 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:39,660 So 350 00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:49,180 Jim 351 00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:56,080 returns to the Fountain Central 10 -year reunion. He has not only won Mr. 352 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Georgia, but he has also become the Dingo Warrior. 353 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:00,480 He's enormous. 354 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,960 280 pounds, solid muscle. 355 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:11,380 This was not a coming back to sort of mend fences or to connect with people he 356 00:25:11,380 --> 00:25:15,220 didn't connect with. His whole take was, if you had been his friend in his 357 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:19,380 youth, come sit with me, we're going to hang out. And for those people who tried 358 00:25:19,380 --> 00:25:22,780 to be more chummy with him, that had not given him the time of day when his 359 00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:24,260 youth, he had no interest. 360 00:25:24,540 --> 00:25:29,280 He won a couple bottles of champagne for the person that had changed the most. 361 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:35,020 the person that drove the furthest. And I remember him opening the champagne and 362 00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:39,020 having us all drink a little bit of it, you know, celebrating just our reunion 363 00:25:39,020 --> 00:25:40,300 together as friends. 364 00:25:41,340 --> 00:25:44,000 He didn't forget where he came from, okay? 365 00:25:44,340 --> 00:25:49,260 Jim was a loyal friend. If you hung in there with him, he hung in there with 366 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:50,260 you. 367 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:57,100 Now with the pen, two, three, the Vivo Oil Sabu, Jack Pickering. 368 00:25:58,030 --> 00:26:03,450 Jim Hellwig was a remarkably creative human being. Part of it is the look, and 369 00:26:03,450 --> 00:26:08,030 think part of it as well is the fact that he's just different. 370 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:13,890 When Vince McMahon sees Jim Hellwig in 1987, he sees the picture -perfect mold 371 00:26:13,890 --> 00:26:18,210 for what he's putting out there. He sees there's definitely something there, but 372 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,030 I'm going to make this thing my own. 373 00:26:31,150 --> 00:26:35,570 In the territory days, the WWE was just the New York territory. 374 00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:42,750 By the time people of 375 00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:47,610 my age bracket were invested, the WWE had become the territory. 376 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:53,950 They were hitting cable TV, being seen all over the world. 377 00:26:55,410 --> 00:26:59,850 Vince McMahon is as responsible for the success of the WWE as... 378 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:02,370 Anyone is for the success of anything. 379 00:27:03,610 --> 00:27:08,350 This is this guy who took everything his father started and said, that's great, 380 00:27:08,410 --> 00:27:11,250 I like what you're doing here, but what if we took over the world with it? 381 00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:14,450 The Dingo is the winner! 382 00:27:15,410 --> 00:27:20,930 So Jim Helwig as the Dingo Warrior is in WCCW, and Vince McMahon takes one look 383 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:23,530 at him and he says, okay, I'll give that guy a shot. 384 00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:24,830 The ultimate! 385 00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:34,180 The Ultimate Warrior was a Vince McMahon creation, his first attempt to 386 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:39,520 create a star once he already had all the eyeballs on his company. 387 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,400 There's something Vince told me at one time, and I'll always remember this, 388 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,600 he sat down with me, he said, you know, Jimmy, I'm looking for my next 389 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,540 attraction. Somebody bigger than life, somebody that can walk through any 390 00:27:51,540 --> 00:27:55,720 airport in the world, and even a casual wrestling fan will go, oh my God, look 391 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,720 who it is. 392 00:27:59,529 --> 00:28:05,510 He was the only person that would run, and I mean top speed, 393 00:28:05,650 --> 00:28:07,430 all the way to the ring. 394 00:28:13,150 --> 00:28:19,990 You had the Hulkamania 395 00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:22,930 with the red and yellow, the bright colors, the tan, and all of a sudden you 396 00:28:22,930 --> 00:28:26,210 a guy come in, but instead of red and yellow, he's got neon on him. 397 00:28:32,309 --> 00:28:35,630 Except for Hulk Hogan, he was the most popular guy they had, very quickly. 398 00:28:36,930 --> 00:28:39,710 The audience would react to him, they started reacting to him very well, and I 399 00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:42,050 thought, hmm, okay then, maybe we do have something here. 400 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:50,390 You can see that he's on a clear trajectory, that Vince 401 00:28:50,390 --> 00:28:54,490 is like writing the script that will put him following in the footsteps of Hulk 402 00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:55,490 Hogan. 403 00:28:56,330 --> 00:29:03,050 Ladies and gentlemen, this contest is for the Intercontinental Championship. 404 00:29:03,950 --> 00:29:07,210 Honky Tonk Man's going to defend the Intercontinental Championship. 405 00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:10,710 Get me somebody out here to wrestle. I don't care who it is. 406 00:29:11,270 --> 00:29:13,930 Against an unnamed opponent. 407 00:29:14,170 --> 00:29:18,950 And you're waiting to hear who it's going to be. And that music hits. 408 00:29:20,490 --> 00:29:21,810 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 409 00:29:22,750 --> 00:29:23,750 Somebody's music. 410 00:29:24,490 --> 00:29:29,190 I mean, as Gorilla Monsoon says, pandemonium. 411 00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:31,810 I 412 00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:41,510 remember 413 00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:42,630 what it felt like, man. 414 00:29:44,610 --> 00:29:46,930 It was awesome, you know. 415 00:29:54,380 --> 00:29:59,020 It was just nonstop energy for less than 30 seconds, and there was a new 416 00:29:59,020 --> 00:30:00,020 Intercontinental Champion. 417 00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:10,520 It just shocked the wrestling world. Nobody expected it, right? Because we'd 418 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,600 the belt for over a year. And I think that's what really gave him the little 419 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,600 rocket that he needed. 420 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:21,320 It was just another 421 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,000 critical step. 422 00:30:23,660 --> 00:30:28,760 And him becoming the biggest wrestler in WWE. 423 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:36,220 Thanks a lot, man. 424 00:30:37,140 --> 00:30:43,880 This is WWE letting the world know this is the 425 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,880 next guy. 426 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,860 This is the guy that you think might be a star. He is a superstar. 427 00:30:49,340 --> 00:30:52,260 Please welcome the man known as the ultimate warrior. 428 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,280 I think the Ultimate Warrior was a great match for the late 80s, early 90s. 429 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,740 Everything was about being as big and strong and bombastic as a character as 430 00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:09,400 possible. He was a cartoon character come to life. So my earliest memories of 431 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,980 the Ultimate Warrior are of this madman covered in tassels and of a doll that I 432 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:18,000 wanted to cuddle and take to bed with me. 433 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:32,440 Now because he is successful, now he's got that target on his back. 434 00:31:33,380 --> 00:31:38,560 This guy's only been in the business for five years. I've been in this business 435 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:44,120 for 20 years. What dues did he pay? There's all that going on in the locker 436 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,740 room. I got the sense that he really was a loner. 437 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,200 Warrior was very much at times an overgrown kid. Having known a lot of his 438 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,860 personal life, he never really got to be a kid. 439 00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,380 You know, came from a broken home, had to grow up and mature quickly. 440 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,360 So I do think that the warrior character, that's why he fell in love 441 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,360 much, because it was an extension of him. And he got to escape and do those 442 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,640 things and live probably a lot of things he never got to do. 443 00:32:15,620 --> 00:32:19,780 We were in town. I mean, it only made sense today. Look, you know. 444 00:32:20,350 --> 00:32:24,330 Come home and let's have dinner, you know, and my wife would fix dinner. 445 00:32:24,570 --> 00:32:28,450 And it was a breath of fresh air to have him there. It was so different, you 446 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:31,130 know, and he really wanted that environment. 447 00:32:31,390 --> 00:32:34,110 You could tell he was attracted to that environment. 448 00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:43,930 There was very few people that were invited to come over to my parents' 449 00:32:44,390 --> 00:32:45,770 Would he help do the dishes? 450 00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:49,549 You know what? 451 00:32:49,550 --> 00:32:51,010 If he was asked, he would have. 452 00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:54,050 He would definitely do the dishes. He was just that type of guy. 453 00:32:55,910 --> 00:33:00,510 My dad was a father figure to many and definitely was to Warrior. 454 00:33:00,810 --> 00:33:05,730 And I think it was just that family dynamic that Jim always aspired to have. 455 00:33:10,150 --> 00:33:11,250 They end up... 456 00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:20,870 having Warrior feud with Andre the Giant, who had previously been the most 457 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:22,970 beloved wrestler maybe on the planet. 458 00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:30,930 You see, the ultimate maniac has felt these large hands around his neck. 459 00:33:31,090 --> 00:33:36,830 He is feeling right now the Intercontinental Championship slipping 460 00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:42,790 waist. One of the big values of Andre the Giant was that if somebody beats him 461 00:33:42,790 --> 00:33:48,360 or somebody can slam him, They're a household name. And Hulk Hogan body 462 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,660 Andre the Giant at WrestleMania 3 is the thing that set Hulkamania in motion. 463 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:54,819 Look at this! 464 00:33:54,820 --> 00:33:56,220 He slammed him! 465 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:02,560 And you, Andre the Giant, will realize that the power will become the eighth 466 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,180 in the world as we eat you alive! 467 00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:12,060 Andre never did anything he didn't want to do. 468 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,800 It was frightening the first time he told me to slam him. 469 00:34:21,820 --> 00:34:26,420 I knew what it meant to the character Ultimate Warrior and how much over that 470 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:28,880 character would be by being allowed to do that. 471 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:37,600 So now you're able to really think of like Ultimate 472 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,719 Warrior. He's on the same level as Hulk Hogan. 473 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,820 Because up until that moment, the greatest thing Hulk Hogan had ever 474 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:43,820 was beating Andre the Giant. 475 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,340 Well, now Ultimate Warrior's beating Andre the Giant. 476 00:34:47,179 --> 00:34:48,280 You slammed Andre. 477 00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:50,679 I slammed Andre. 478 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,980 You can beat everybody else on the roster, but after you slam Andre the 479 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,580 there's only one place left to go, and that's Hulk Hogan. 480 00:35:16,650 --> 00:35:23,150 didn't cry for santa you're too little it's been seven years since we lost 481 00:35:23,150 --> 00:35:28,390 warrior and now we're actually able to look at the memories and enjoy them and 482 00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:34,030 revel in them and laugh warrior's role at christmas time was like the biggest 483 00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:39,190 elf you've ever met and he negotiated negotiate he would negotiate a lot of 484 00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:44,080 negotiation on christmas absolutely about what you guys deserve yes Every 485 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,880 morning on Christmas, we'd wake up with a note about what we should improve on 486 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,380 for the next year. Because next year it might be Cole. And it was detailed. It 487 00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:53,178 was scary. 488 00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:55,320 But then you had to get over it and you'd get pregnant. And I was like, 489 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,400 this is dad's hair. 490 00:35:56,420 --> 00:36:03,080 For me and the girls, it's about his 491 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:08,700 legacy as a father. But for millions of fans, it will always be about what he 492 00:36:08,700 --> 00:36:10,680 did in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 493 00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:15,590 I think it's pretty incredible to imagine he only had five years in the 494 00:36:15,590 --> 00:36:20,690 business, and he was tasked with the job of replacing a veritable legend. 495 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:25,690 Hulk Hogan in the 80s literally was wrestling. 496 00:36:27,370 --> 00:36:29,670 And just remember, Hulkamania has run wild. 497 00:36:29,890 --> 00:36:31,010 Crazy. Thank you, Hulk. 498 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:39,110 He ushered in a new, larger -than -life, almost cartoonish era of 499 00:36:39,110 --> 00:36:40,110 professional wrestling. 500 00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:47,210 Hulk Hogan, over the six years leading to WrestleMania VI, had turned 501 00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:48,270 into a phenomenon. 502 00:36:51,570 --> 00:36:56,710 Remember what's going on in the ring. Hulk is posing, we're in a celebration 503 00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:59,650 mood. We want the opposite of that, okay? 504 00:37:00,110 --> 00:37:04,770 Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior at the time, they're your top good guys in 505 00:37:04,770 --> 00:37:05,629 the WWE. 506 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:08,170 So when they start to flirt with this idea... 507 00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:12,530 that there may be some animosity between Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior. 508 00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:13,710 You're going, wait a minute. 509 00:37:15,090 --> 00:37:21,430 B 'Leah and Ho -Wig had a rivalry with one another, and they had a mutual 510 00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:23,970 professional jealousy, which made sense. 511 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:33,210 How could there not be professional envy and jealousy between Hulk Hogan and the 512 00:37:33,210 --> 00:37:34,210 Ultimate Warrior? 513 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,840 The Ultimate Warrior was designed to replace Hulk Hogan. How could Hulk Hogan 514 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,840 not resent that? 515 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:51,880 How could 516 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:59,160 Warrior 517 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,440 not resent Hulk Hogan? 518 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:04,840 If you're going to compete with somebody for the number one spot, By design, you 519 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,760 have to think, here's why I'm better than that person. 520 00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:16,820 Very nature of that competition between the two is going to breed 521 00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:22,140 envy and jealousy between the two of them. Both champions, Hulk Hogan and the 522 00:38:22,140 --> 00:38:25,680 Ultimate Warrior, want to be sure the other is healthy for Sunday afternoon, 523 00:38:25,820 --> 00:38:29,800 April 1st. The World Wrestling Federation champion against the 524 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,800 champion. 525 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,700 This was a big topic of conversation among 11 -year -olds. 526 00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:40,000 Who's going to win Ultimate Warrior to Hulk Hogan? I mean, for us, this was 527 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,480 like, you know, magic versus bird. 528 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,060 At the end of WrestleMania, it'll be the Hulkster and God they still trust. 529 00:38:46,620 --> 00:38:51,320 The official signing of the match at WrestleMania. 530 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,060 Look into my eyes, Hulk Hogan! 531 00:38:56,460 --> 00:38:59,360 You see nothingness! 532 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,560 Jim, always give me a little pause there when you finish off. Okay. You know, 533 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:12,240 count to two before you... Warrior not only has to step into the ring with 534 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:16,200 Hogan, has to carry the main event with Hogan, has to live up to the box office 535 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,020 expectations with Hogan. 536 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,140 You're going to beat Hogan? 537 00:39:22,540 --> 00:39:29,320 The pressure on Warrior to deliver, it's mind -boggling to 538 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,840 think. That pressure didn't crush him. 539 00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:37,060 You 540 00:39:37,060 --> 00:39:46,000 can't 541 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,240 build to a match like this and then go for five minutes. 542 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:55,760 So this became a test of, okay, now that we've got Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate 543 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,580 Warrior together, can we have these guys do it? 544 00:40:00,010 --> 00:40:04,810 25 -minute match. Can we do a match where a real story is being told? 545 00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:16,470 Warrior learned 546 00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:20,790 a lot from Hulk. But there's always that little piece, we want to be the top 547 00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:22,810 dog. And Warrior was hungry for it. 548 00:40:28,140 --> 00:40:29,520 They both get their time to shine. 549 00:40:30,460 --> 00:40:36,280 And they both get that moment where, as a fan, you're like, well, this is the 550 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:37,280 moment where Hulk went. 551 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,320 That moment that we've all seen before. 552 00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:45,300 Hulk Hogan is hitting the ropes. 553 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,120 He's dropping a leg. 554 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,840 Hulk Hogan was still hot in 90, okay? 555 00:41:07,340 --> 00:41:11,300 When he takes that warrior pin right in the middle of the ring, no funny 556 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:15,420 business, and loses outright to the warrior and makes warrior king. 557 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:23,420 This is not the same as doing that for someone when you are clearly on the way 558 00:41:23,420 --> 00:41:25,080 down. Oh, look at this. 559 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,560 Hulk presented the belt and raised the hand of the warrior. 560 00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:31,260 That was... 561 00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:35,670 Both Hogan and the company anointing somebody new. 562 00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:40,510 And it was a major deal to be able to beat Hulk Hogan. 563 00:41:43,090 --> 00:41:45,030 I think Jim was idolized. 564 00:41:45,790 --> 00:41:49,010 That filled something up inside of him that he needed. 565 00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:56,270 Other people, you know, that have said, you know, Warrior never respected the 566 00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:59,970 business. You know, he just wanted to get in, make a paycheck, get out. That 567 00:41:59,970 --> 00:42:00,970 not true. 568 00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:06,190 Warrior came back through the curtain after that match with Hogan and 569 00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:12,150 broke down, you know, emotionally. He was finally at the very pinnacle of the 570 00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:14,930 business that he worked so hard to get to. 571 00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:21,270 The fact that I took the belt from Hulk in the way that I did with the clean 572 00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:25,590 finish, I mean, the weight of that. 573 00:42:28,430 --> 00:42:32,250 You know, that saying about it's not the destination, it's the journey, it's 574 00:42:32,250 --> 00:42:33,250 true for me. 575 00:42:33,570 --> 00:42:38,310 I was so emotional after it happened, but within a day or two, I was thinking, 576 00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:39,390 what's next? 577 00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:49,890 At WrestleMania, Warrior, you lived up to the ultimate challenge, and then 578 00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:53,090 But now, you face a challenge of a different kind. 579 00:42:53,740 --> 00:42:59,540 The Ultimate Warrior title reign as world champion was in some ways actually 580 00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:00,700 beginning of the end. 581 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,580 I can feel it! 582 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,780 I can feel that I have been chosen. 583 00:43:10,060 --> 00:43:15,720 He was pure kinetic energy, right? And the story that they told was a missile 584 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,620 being shot into space. The climb is exhilarating. 585 00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:23,140 But once you get there, the story just sort of fizzles. 586 00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:27,110 They didn't set up the right guys for him, and it did not get him off on the 587 00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:30,930 right foot. The first thing they do is they brought in Rick Rude. He was a 588 00:43:30,930 --> 00:43:32,990 retread. Warrior had already beaten him before. 589 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:37,390 He had matches with The Undertaker. You're scared, and you're going to be 590 00:43:37,390 --> 00:43:38,189 scared. 591 00:43:38,190 --> 00:43:39,250 You're going to be scared. 592 00:43:40,790 --> 00:43:43,570 It's not in there, not in the casket. 593 00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:46,930 And it ends up going into Jake the Snake Roberts. 594 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:48,970 What do you think about that, Warrior? 595 00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:51,670 Just a few friends of mine, huh? 596 00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:04,790 Warriors walking around in that locker room with eyes in the back of his head. 597 00:44:04,890 --> 00:44:10,310 You got guys that are jealous of him in front of the cameras, in front of the 598 00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:15,870 fans. That was Warriors safe haven. That was never the issue. But when he had to 599 00:44:15,870 --> 00:44:18,610 walk back into that locker room. 600 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,300 He knew exactly what he was dealing with. That's where the pressure came. 601 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:24,580 Hang on, hang on. 602 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,280 Keep his attention, folks. Keep his attention. 603 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,560 There you go. We see him now. 604 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,320 I don't think you really know if somebody's up to the job until they get 605 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,960 right? I don't know what expectations Vince had set and what the ultimate 606 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,240 warrior wasn't living up to. 607 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,040 Something had to be telling Vince McMahon that this project wasn't 608 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:42,420 the degree that he had hoped that it would. 609 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,000 It was like, OK, the decision is to get the belt back on Hogan because Warrior 610 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,040 didn't draw good enough. But at the time, I, you know, I think everybody 611 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,220 that Warrior was going to be champion for three or four years. And it was, you 612 00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:08,180 know, less than a full year before they took it away from him. 613 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:17,320 Warrior is not going to fall into line. 614 00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:23,380 This is not somebody you are going to control. And they have to know this. 615 00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,020 Jim Hellwig went to the beat of his own drum. 616 00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:32,520 Whatever that beat was telling him, whether it was good for him or 617 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:37,800 to him, he went and walked to the beat of his own drum. There were times where 618 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:42,940 he was completely isolated. Sometimes he was just really on edge. 619 00:45:44,170 --> 00:45:48,150 So there's a story that a kid approaches Ultimate Warrior at an airport, as most 620 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:51,950 people do. You know, that's half the reason Vince grabs these guys, because 621 00:45:51,950 --> 00:45:54,730 they walk through an airport, you can't look away from them. He's got his 622 00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:55,730 sunglasses on. 623 00:45:55,950 --> 00:46:00,890 The kid comes up to him, and he'd ask, you know, he's the Ultimate Warrior. 624 00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:02,670 And, like, he snaps on this little kid. 625 00:46:03,810 --> 00:46:04,970 I was like, whoa. 626 00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:10,030 This kid's parents were pretty connected to the WWE. 627 00:46:10,530 --> 00:46:13,410 That posed a problem for Jim when Vince heard about this. 628 00:46:14,030 --> 00:46:20,250 So Vince is so upset that he makes Jim actually record a video apology to the 629 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,050 kid. It's Vince's apology. 630 00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:29,090 But not in the warrior's character. I mean, I'm humbly apologizing, but I'm 631 00:46:29,090 --> 00:46:30,530 saying what I'm humbly apologizing for. 632 00:46:30,750 --> 00:46:33,190 That's right. I know what the gimmick's for, but I mean, what's it for? 633 00:46:34,250 --> 00:46:40,850 In three, two... I understand that there comes times in everyone's life 634 00:46:40,850 --> 00:46:43,010 when they may regret certain things... 635 00:46:43,650 --> 00:46:44,830 Regret certain things that they should. 636 00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:46,330 Yeah, 637 00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:49,210 I know. I don't know what the fuck to say. I didn't say nothing to the goddamn 638 00:46:49,210 --> 00:46:50,450 kid. I understand that. 639 00:46:50,650 --> 00:46:54,510 Well, no, you don't because I'm making a videotape to some kid. It's a fucking 640 00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:56,370 work. It's a work. 641 00:46:57,350 --> 00:47:00,690 That's all it is. It's a work. We're working here. That's it. 642 00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:04,010 I'm working here. There's two matches left. I'm fucking working here making an 643 00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:05,530 apology for something I didn't fucking do. 644 00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:09,570 This guy's really, whatever I should have, whatever I was supposed to have 645 00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:11,970 to the guy, I wish I had said to the guy. 646 00:47:12,210 --> 00:47:13,210 Me too. 647 00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:19,510 Three, two... There shall never come a time that any one of the WWF... 648 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:26,510 Go again. That I shall take revenge upon that person and vanquish them from 649 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:29,250 this universe and shoot me. 650 00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:37,910 No one that walks within the World Wrestling Federation shall ever, never 651 00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:42,910 you without answering to the power of the ultimate warrior. 652 00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:46,419 It was excellent. 653 00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,420 Thank you. 654 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:53,260 But then the very next day, he sits down and he writes Vince a letter. 655 00:47:55,660 --> 00:48:02,400 It's as if years of frustration and anger have just boiled over and 656 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,620 he can't take it anymore. 657 00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:12,540 1991 was a definitive moment in Jim Hellwig's life. 658 00:48:14,700 --> 00:48:19,780 Around January of 1991, he and his wife filed divorce papers. 659 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,760 At the same time, the WWE decided that they were going to go in a different 660 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:30,540 direction. And so that same month that he's filing divorce papers, he also 661 00:48:30,540 --> 00:48:32,100 his status as champion. 662 00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,620 Going through the divorce, needing the money, all of those things sort of work 663 00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:42,720 together to reignite some of that. 664 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:47,840 financial anxiety that he had as a child, a lot of the scars throughout Jim 665 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,100 Helwig's life are definitely coming to the surface now. 666 00:48:54,380 --> 00:49:00,440 You realize that, sure, Ultimate Warrior looked like he had never been better, 667 00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:05,560 but Jim is going through a divorce. And Jim is having arguments with Vince. And 668 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,140 he's blowing up on fans at the airport. 669 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,880 And you realize that there's more to it than that. 670 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,020 Ultimate Warrior seemed like he was just sort of at a wit's end with Vince, 671 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:15,940 right? He's like, I've tried to talk to you. I've tried to bring this stuff up. 672 00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:16,980 Let me try something else. 673 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,340 I'm going to write a letter. 674 00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,300 Vince, writing this is a different approach. 675 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,280 I have been from day one different from the others. I have sacrificed myself 676 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,320 enough both in my personal life and physical well -being. 677 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:38,480 What Hellwig says to McMahon is, I know what Hogan has gotten, and that's what I 678 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,480 want. 679 00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:44,410 I have sacrificed more than $500 ,000, more than a million dollars even, in 680 00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:48,250 monies that I should have been paid to me in receiving equal treatment as Hulk. 681 00:49:49,470 --> 00:49:54,490 And he proceeds to give a list of demands about the things that he wants, 682 00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:59,590 equal pay for Hogan, equal royalties for Hogan. He wants all of the same 683 00:49:59,590 --> 00:50:01,950 benefits that Hulk Hogan gets. 684 00:50:02,670 --> 00:50:05,290 The videotaped apology was the icing on the cake. 685 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,560 You see it as a business, so whether I like it or not, I must do the same. 686 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,920 Whatever your decision, I can and will live with it. Till then, I remain at 687 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,920 with one who cares. 688 00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:23,380 Hellwig appears to be saying to Vince, I'm not going to show up until you meet 689 00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:24,380 these demands. 690 00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,580 That's a cardinal sin in the world of professional wrestling. 691 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:36,420 WWE have not only, in the micro sense, spent all this time marketing 692 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,160 but in the macro sense, all this time marketing the Ultimate Warrior 693 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,020 Like, they can't just say, all right, we'll go home. We'll just do it without 694 00:50:43,020 --> 00:50:44,020 you. 695 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,520 No one would take kindly to that. But of all the people in the world who would 696 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:54,100 not take kindly to essentially being bullied, it would be Vince McMahon. 697 00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:01,180 When I get this letter, it's a shock. It's like, oh, it's kicking the guts. 698 00:51:01,180 --> 00:51:02,780 like I was burned, so to speak. 699 00:51:03,980 --> 00:51:08,320 I told Jim we would work it out, indicating that we might do this deal, 700 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,060 was looking for, oh, okay, we'll talk at the garden. 701 00:51:10,580 --> 00:51:12,960 And I couldn't wait to fire him. 702 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560 What an ovation for the ultimate warrior! 703 00:51:16,980 --> 00:51:18,080 Is he ready? 704 00:51:18,380 --> 00:51:21,120 Yes. Yes, but can he be trusted? 705 00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,780 Vince McMahon came into my locker room, and he said, well, the ultimate warrior 706 00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:32,760 is holding me up for $500 ,000, and he wants to be paid before he 707 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:33,760 wrestles. 708 00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,860 Then through the locker room door comes Hulk Hogan. And he said, Sarge, you 709 00:51:40,860 --> 00:51:44,820 throw the warrior out on the floor and I'll come into the ring and I'll jump on 710 00:51:44,820 --> 00:51:46,820 you and you and I'll head off to the corner. 711 00:51:47,060 --> 00:51:51,560 And while we're doing that, Cheeky, you jump down and you break his leg. 712 00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:55,040 And Vince went, no, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 713 00:51:55,700 --> 00:51:58,580 I don't need a lawsuit on top of all this. 714 00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:04,500 There's a spot at the end of the match where Hellwig grabs a chair. 715 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:10,140 and chases Mustafa and Adnan out of the ring and backstage. 716 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:12,200 Warner's got a chance! 717 00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:20,300 As he comes back through, he's told Vince wants to see him, at which point 718 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:27,140 gives him a several -page letter talking about how Hulk Hogan is a living 719 00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:28,140 legend. 720 00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,500 He is more popular than you. 721 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,060 has more years in the ring than you, is in greater demand than you. And then he 722 00:52:36,060 --> 00:52:40,840 hits Jim very personally. He says, you have become a living legend in your own 723 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,840 mind. 724 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,640 Probably everything that Jim Helwig would not have wanted to hear. 725 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:54,640 He then details the fact that, Jim, you are suspended for no fewer than 726 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:55,640 90 days. 727 00:52:55,780 --> 00:53:00,980 I think that Vince wrote something that cutting, because I think Vince felt... 728 00:53:01,759 --> 00:53:08,680 It was so outrageous that the man was, and just so far overreached, it told me, 729 00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,480 obviously, he really didn't understand. 730 00:53:13,740 --> 00:53:17,700 Often, our performers will start believing in themselves more than they 731 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:22,060 and can't separate Jim Elwig from the Ultimate Warrior, and that happens to a 732 00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:23,060 lot of our performers. 733 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,220 A lot of superstars want his approval, and they want to please him, and they 734 00:53:29,220 --> 00:53:33,760 want to be... his guy the way you want your father to accept you. 735 00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:37,460 That's what I feel, I guess, with Vince McMahon. 736 00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:42,900 It's like when he tells you you did a good job, it's the greatest feeling in 737 00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:43,900 world. 738 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:49,280 Jim and I had this unusual relationship, you know, personally. And we both were 739 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,720 on the same wavelength. He was nuts. I was at the time. I'm not now. 740 00:53:54,140 --> 00:53:58,160 But there was this great relationship. No one really knew that. 741 00:53:59,210 --> 00:54:03,030 I'm sure he was out there looking for acceptance, and he might have looked at 742 00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:08,310 him as a mother and a father figure, and there's nothing wrong with that. 743 00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:10,270 Did you think of him as a son? 744 00:54:12,050 --> 00:54:15,010 Not as a son. 745 00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:18,470 I have only one son. 746 00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:24,510 I can see how someone would look at me as a father figure, but I don't look at 747 00:54:24,510 --> 00:54:25,439 him as a son. 748 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,220 I've never done that. 749 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:32,160 But I've looked at them as a relationship that would be sort of 750 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,800 somewhat of father -son. 751 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,700 If you look at somebody like the warrior that maybe was missing some male role 752 00:54:40,700 --> 00:54:45,400 models early in his life, I think Vince McMahon could have easily filled that 753 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:46,299 role for him. 754 00:54:46,300 --> 00:54:51,900 And I don't know if Vince realized when he wrote that that the ultimate warrior 755 00:54:51,900 --> 00:54:58,800 would not take that as his... Boss being mad at him, he may take that as a 756 00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,700 paternal figure being disappointed in him. 757 00:55:03,620 --> 00:55:06,500 Your boss being mad at you, you get over. 758 00:55:07,500 --> 00:55:13,020 Somebody that you look at like a father saying, I like him more than I like you, 759 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,040 you don't get over that. 760 00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:20,980 Good morning, guys. 761 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,180 The entire world of wrestling changed in 1992. 762 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,240 The federal government has leveled charges against the leader of the WWF, 763 00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:30,240 McMahon. 764 00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:36,000 Steroid use, steroid distribution is now deemed not only illegal, but is being 765 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,560 presented as inauthentic and immoral. 766 00:55:39,820 --> 00:55:44,060 A hulk of a hero named Hogan is the biggest to take a fall. 767 00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:46,960 First you up. 768 00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:48,640 This is take one. 769 00:55:49,210 --> 00:55:53,050 It makes a certain sort of sense that when Hulk Hogan has to take some time 770 00:55:53,170 --> 00:55:57,950 you go back in the well and find the guy who used to be the next Hulk Hogan. 771 00:55:58,150 --> 00:56:03,610 There have been those that have stood up on many a throne and promised to rule 772 00:56:03,610 --> 00:56:06,470 the entire universe, the entire world. 773 00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:13,430 McMahon decides to bring the ultimate warrior back into the WWE, and 774 00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:17,670 they begin the process of trying to mend the fences. 775 00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:32,580 And when that music hit, you 776 00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:37,660 can hear that stadium full of people going nuts for it. They couldn't believe 777 00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:38,660 it. 778 00:56:45,379 --> 00:56:48,140 It was still a moment, and you're still like, oh, my God, Warrior's back. 779 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,980 But when he comes back, right in the midst of the steroid scandal, he looks 780 00:56:56,980 --> 00:56:57,980 noticeably smaller. 781 00:56:58,340 --> 00:57:02,180 He's still jacked. I mean, he's still, by normal standards, he's like, I'm 782 00:57:02,180 --> 00:57:04,200 going to get a body like 1992 Ultimate Warrior. 783 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,100 But 1992 Ultimate Warrior does not have a body like 1990 Ultimate Warrior. 784 00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,700 who had not been quite as dedicated as he was to the gym, probably because he's 785 00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:20,840 coping with an extraordinary amount of loss, and going through a divorce. 786 00:57:25,500 --> 00:57:32,340 And I remember thinking, man, you've got to get your shit together real 787 00:57:32,340 --> 00:57:33,340 quick here. 788 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:53,260 Let's try one more with more intensity. Okay. In 1992, a package is intercepted, 789 00:57:53,260 --> 00:57:59,280 addressed to the Ultimate Warrior's driver, and it contains HGH, human 790 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,280 hormone. 791 00:58:01,220 --> 00:58:05,120 Explosiveness that can never, ever be recreated. 792 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,120 A chemical combustion that forms a bond forever and ever. 793 00:58:10,580 --> 00:58:12,160 It did fail some tests in 1992. 794 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:15,500 Hellwig did fail tests, and Hellwig also admitted to it. 795 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,300 to taking steroids. 796 00:58:19,100 --> 00:58:24,720 I think it was more than anything in his head that if I don't have this, I'll 797 00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:25,720 never be the same guy. 798 00:58:28,980 --> 00:58:33,720 Every time he takes a drug test, he has to list the kinds of medications that 799 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:34,720 he's taking already. 800 00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:40,140 And at the beginning of this process in May, he writes Motrin. 801 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:42,600 Pretty simple. 802 00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:46,680 The next test is Tylenol with codeine in a nasal spray. 803 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:53,640 By the time we get to late October, he's taking multiple medicines for anxiety, 804 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,160 for depression, for insomnia. 805 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,120 In November of that year, the WWE will fire him again on the grounds that he 806 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,540 violated the drug policy. 807 00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:26,960 Shit, I don't know. 808 00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:31,300 It just sort of unraveled in a way where I remember having a conversation with 809 00:59:31,300 --> 00:59:33,920 Vince and he was afraid of certain things that were going to happen to him. 810 00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:37,540 It just got so bad that he needed a couple of scapegoats. 811 00:59:38,190 --> 00:59:41,270 Was it implied that you should use steroids to make yourself? 812 00:59:41,570 --> 00:59:45,970 No, never to me. I think the whole thing is weak. It was a bad optic to have 813 00:59:45,970 --> 00:59:51,570 huge muscle -bound guys on top as you're fighting off these accusations of 814 00:59:51,570 --> 00:59:55,390 steroid use. People like Hulk Hogan and the Ultimate Warrior faded to the 815 00:59:55,390 --> 00:59:56,390 background. 816 00:59:56,590 --> 01:00:01,910 And Bret Hartz and Shawn Michaels and other guys sort of stepped in to the 817 01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:03,330 spotlight because their look. 818 01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,880 didn't sort of remind people of what was going on behind the scenes. 819 01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,160 He arrived in Scottsdale, Arizona. 820 01:00:11,780 --> 01:00:14,780 Hellwig will legally change his name to Warrior. 821 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,940 He lived the ultimate warrior, he breathed the ultimate warrior, so he 822 01:00:19,940 --> 01:00:21,140 he owned the ultimate warrior. 823 01:00:21,500 --> 01:00:26,700 So all you can really do is try to come up with ways to stick it to your former 824 01:00:26,700 --> 01:00:27,700 employer. 825 01:00:36,530 --> 01:00:41,210 He launched a gym and wrestling school called Warrior University. 826 01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:49,250 He wanted to do workout videos and warrior workout kits. 827 01:00:50,990 --> 01:00:57,550 And I saw a new gym was coming to town and it was owned by the ultimate 828 01:00:57,990 --> 01:01:03,230 I had a pink resume before Elle Woods ever did. And when I walked in the door. 829 01:01:04,170 --> 01:01:10,190 All I could see was the eye line to this huge, giant man. 830 01:01:10,450 --> 01:01:14,130 And I walked with purpose straight up to him. I put the resume down, and I said, 831 01:01:14,330 --> 01:01:18,010 I need to run your aerobics program. And he said, you need to marry me. 832 01:01:18,250 --> 01:01:20,430 And I said, I won't even date you. 833 01:01:23,250 --> 01:01:28,670 And that man followed me around like a puppy until I finally broke down, and I 834 01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:31,810 dated him, and then, you know, I married him. So it worked out okay. 835 01:01:33,610 --> 01:01:38,910 I had my own demons from a difficult childhood. And so my husband used to 836 01:01:38,910 --> 01:01:42,850 say to me, like, you tamed the beast. 837 01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:48,230 I met my counterpart. I met the person that I was able to do that for, and he 838 01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:49,270 was able to do it for me. 839 01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:05,990 I look back at the innocence of who we were when we first met. 840 01:02:06,230 --> 01:02:10,830 And what my husband really wanted was to be successful. 841 01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:13,910 He 842 01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:20,330 had 843 01:02:20,330 --> 01:02:25,390 all these goals and aspirations. 844 01:02:25,970 --> 01:02:30,710 And what success was, was in his mind. 845 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,920 what Vince McMahon had created. 846 01:02:35,060 --> 01:02:40,540 He wanted to make The Ultimate Warrior into a full -blown comic book venture to 847 01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:42,440 launch The Warrior mainstream. 848 01:02:42,940 --> 01:02:49,140 But he seems to realize that it's not going to happen without a bigger 849 01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:55,940 And because of that, once again, Vince McMahon and Jim Hellwig somehow find 850 01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:57,060 their way back to one another. 851 01:03:03,050 --> 01:03:08,450 When you look back now, the Warriors' career is sort of more about, like, 852 01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:10,770 returns than it is about the matches. 853 01:03:16,690 --> 01:03:20,490 Around June of 1996, Helwig's father, Thomas, died. 854 01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:26,890 The two had not had much of a relationship at all, but it seems to 855 01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:27,890 hard. 856 01:03:29,290 --> 01:03:33,360 In this period of time, He doesn't attend a few shows. 857 01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:38,500 But of course, with the WWE, you don't miss shows. 858 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:44,300 As I recall, he had not seen his dad in over 10 years and could care less about 859 01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:45,800 him. And that was like, wait a minute. 860 01:03:46,660 --> 01:03:48,540 You're going to use this as an excuse? 861 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,880 That's the straw that breaks the camel's back with me. I can't deal with anybody 862 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,880 like that. 863 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,160 He was terminated. 864 01:03:58,890 --> 01:04:04,770 An audience that was 5, 10, 15 years old when Warrior was at his hottest had 865 01:04:04,770 --> 01:04:08,230 moved on to be obsessed with other things besides the ultimate warrior. 866 01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:16,830 So when that love and that adulation wasn't there, he went back to 867 01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:21,050 being an 11 -year -old boy in the trailer in Indiana whose father just 868 01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:26,730 He starts traveling around to college campuses. 869 01:04:27,820 --> 01:04:33,320 One that really stood out, it made major headlines at the time, was a speech he 870 01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,120 gave at the University of Connecticut. 871 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:48,920 I knew something 872 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:49,920 was wrong. 873 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:54,360 And I said, what did you say? 874 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,400 We'll talk when you get home. 875 01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,640 You know, young kids, they get their philosophy of life from people that are 876 01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:09,640 older than them. 877 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,500 And today that's just not happening in any place. 878 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,760 He's accepted the fact that the ultimate warrior is not going to be mainstream, 879 01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:22,680 but it's almost like he needed something to fill the void. What's up? 880 01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:25,100 I just wanted to show you what they're passing out outside. 881 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,160 Just so you're prepared. Oh, good. 882 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,200 They're all prepared with the racism. 883 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:38,520 He finds this new identity in conservative 884 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,520 ideology. 885 01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,560 And he becomes a conservative blogger. 886 01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:50,240 I would argue for the warrior and his career, his persona, his business, it 887 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,040 not good that we got to see behind the curtain. 888 01:05:54,340 --> 01:05:58,300 Every few weeks or whatever, it's like another thing that Warrior's saying that 889 01:05:58,300 --> 01:05:59,460 is offensive. 890 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,980 Where do you think his strong political views came from around that time? 891 01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,480 Most people think I'm heavy metal or something. 892 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:17,680 On the radio, typically, I do talk radio. 893 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:20,618 That's it. 894 01:06:20,620 --> 01:06:23,400 Turn on talk radio was a really big thing at the time. 895 01:06:24,500 --> 01:06:26,340 And you know something? 896 01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:32,280 Rush Limbaugh is a great showman. So my husband was like, we get each other. 897 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:38,020 So the talk radio thing became a big thing in our house. 898 01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,660 And certain news channels were on all the time. 899 01:06:43,020 --> 01:06:46,060 I think he was just looking for a new brotherhood. 900 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:51,330 It's never been the vision that people have in their head that it's just 901 01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:56,450 ultimate warrior as an identity. A painted face pro wrestler with strings 902 01:06:56,450 --> 01:07:01,230 his arms and colorful characters and physique and the body and stuff. It's 903 01:07:01,230 --> 01:07:07,190 it represents more on a fundamental level, something or somebody that's 904 01:07:07,190 --> 01:07:11,830 to stand up and fight for what they believe in, even if they die doing so. 905 01:07:14,110 --> 01:07:16,410 And when he came back from that speech. 906 01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:19,180 I knew something was wrong. 907 01:07:19,540 --> 01:07:20,980 And I said, what did you say? 908 01:07:23,380 --> 01:07:24,700 Now I'm a conservative. 909 01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:30,020 Liberals believe in a utopian society where everything is equal. 910 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,960 That Kwanzaa is just as legitimate as Santa Claus and Christmas. 911 01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:44,800 That a terrorist is just as legitimate as one of this country's revolution 912 01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:45,880 freedom fighters. 913 01:07:46,260 --> 01:07:51,980 That we are as legitimate as heterosexuals. How are they not? 914 01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,740 That the anarchists because doesn't make the world work. 915 01:07:59,260 --> 01:08:06,160 And from this moment, the speech has just 916 01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,740 become a straight dog fight. 917 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:22,680 As an Ultimate Warrior fan, you're like, bro, like, I didn't sign up for that. 918 01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:26,620 Like, you're starting to make me think that the warrior might believe in some 919 01:08:26,620 --> 01:08:28,340 stuff that I don't necessarily believe in. 920 01:08:30,700 --> 01:08:34,460 There's all people of all different types of races and colors that look up 921 01:08:34,460 --> 01:08:37,540 you. Because I, you know, I grew up, my dad wasn't there. 922 01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:41,840 What's the warrior telling me? Just don't worry about things. Just be that 923 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,560 little warrior that you are inside. 924 01:08:45,819 --> 01:08:51,479 So when you are acting that way and you believe that in your heart, it can do a 925 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,840 lot of damage to those people that looked up for you. 926 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:56,180 Has anything like Yukon ever happened before? 927 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,479 No. 928 01:08:57,620 --> 01:09:01,500 I was really disappointed. 929 01:09:02,420 --> 01:09:03,939 I was really disappointed. 930 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,000 And I let him know that. 931 01:09:06,569 --> 01:09:11,970 And he knew it was different, and he knew he'd messed up. 932 01:09:12,350 --> 01:09:17,370 And I don't even think he didn't understand the breadth of it until later 933 01:09:19,790 --> 01:09:21,370 But he knew it was bad. 934 01:09:21,950 --> 01:09:24,529 The self -destruction of the ultimate warrior. 935 01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:29,609 So WWE puts out this DVD, the self -destruction of the ultimate warrior. 936 01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:33,330 And this, I think, was kind of a self -serving mission. 937 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:37,939 We're done making money off this guy or from this guy, and he's off hurting 938 01:09:37,939 --> 01:09:41,800 himself, his own brand, and by extension, our brand. If we can limit 939 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:46,880 importance in our legacy, that's a win for us. If we can charge $30 for it and 940 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,560 put a cool title on it and essentially make as much money as we would off of a 941 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:55,180 WrestleMania, off of Jim without even having his consent, even better. And 942 01:09:55,180 --> 01:09:58,540 wants these two kind of to be shoot deals, right? 943 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,460 He wants to tell the truth. He wants everybody to know. 944 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:03,800 A little controversy. 945 01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:13,760 Felt Destruction of Ultimate Warrior was not so much a documentary. It was more 946 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:14,760 of a hit piece. 947 01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:21,940 You watched it and thought, at the very least, this guy is not beloved by his 948 01:10:21,940 --> 01:10:25,180 peers. I don't know that he was really born to be in this business. 949 01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:30,460 To me, the man had no idea about wrestling. Do I think Del Moro was Mary 950 01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:31,460 in the pan? 951 01:10:33,220 --> 01:10:34,220 Enough said. 952 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:41,020 I knew when the Ultimate Warrior won the match, 68 ,000 people watched me leave 953 01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:43,220 the building instead of watching the new champ in the ring. 954 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:50,720 I knew that, okay, you know, I don't want to be the one to say I told you so. 955 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,800 I never watched that DVD. 956 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,660 People would not be alive if I'd watched that DVD. 957 01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:04,020 My husband wanted to watch it, and I said, you shouldn't. He doesn't trust 958 01:11:04,020 --> 01:11:05,580 anyone in life. 959 01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:11,140 And look, if you don't enjoy coming to work, then you're going to bound to self 960 01:11:11,140 --> 01:11:12,460 -destruct somewhere along the line. 961 01:11:18,020 --> 01:11:21,800 He watched that DVD, and... 962 01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,840 That broke a part of my husband that I was never able to fix. 963 01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:34,620 Nobody is going to hand you the fulfillment of the 964 01:11:34,620 --> 01:11:37,620 dream you have in your mind about a great life you want to live. 965 01:11:39,340 --> 01:11:43,160 In later years, it's almost as if he will be frustrated with himself, but he 966 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,640 will project out onto others the frustration he feels with his own life. 967 01:11:46,940 --> 01:11:48,260 I think you're pathetic. 968 01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:51,220 Don't fail. 969 01:11:52,140 --> 01:11:53,420 Take back yourself. 970 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,580 And don't take any back talk from yourself. 971 01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:05,740 I think he was trying to reinvigorate his own identity. Because when we 972 01:12:05,740 --> 01:12:12,280 fall down a hole, nobody can really get you back out. You have to climb rung by 973 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:13,279 rung yourself. 974 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:15,160 And he did that. 975 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,560 so inspiring because he wasn't perfect. Other people in the world aren't 976 01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:30,060 perfect. We all mess up and sometimes we're ignorant, but ignorance is 977 01:12:30,060 --> 01:12:33,220 educable and we can change and we can grow and we can evolve. 978 01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,740 I was very oblivious to his life before he was a father. He was my dad, I was 979 01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:50,820 daddy's little girl, and he doted on my sister and I like any other dad that I 980 01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:51,820 knew. 981 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,900 He was so gentle with his warrior babies, that's what he'd call us. 982 01:12:57,140 --> 01:13:01,400 You know that his father wasn't incredibly involved in his life, and so 983 01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:03,000 didn't really have that figure there. 984 01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:09,080 But you don't necessarily need a role model to become the man you want to 985 01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:10,080 become. 986 01:13:10,410 --> 01:13:16,710 Very few people can overcome what they lived through and not feel victimized by 987 01:13:16,710 --> 01:13:18,990 it, but instead chart a new course. 988 01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:23,350 And that's what we did with our family. We charted a new course. 989 01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:29,670 What you saw in his character used to translate a lot into his workout. 990 01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:35,230 But most of the time here, we got to know a different character. 991 01:13:35,550 --> 01:13:36,930 We got to know Warrior. 992 01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:39,250 And Warrior was a complete... 993 01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,040 a different personality. 994 01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,720 He made everybody feel special. He made me feel special. 995 01:13:45,820 --> 01:13:51,100 I think that Warrior found himself in Santa Fe. I think he found a calmer 996 01:13:51,100 --> 01:13:54,560 setting for him to really think, to paint. 997 01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:59,900 Art became a really big part of his life when he wasn't putting on his face 998 01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:04,020 paint every day. You know, the face paint became the paint on the canvas 999 01:14:04,020 --> 01:14:05,020 instead. 1000 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:16,260 He had his daughters. He had Dana. 1001 01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:26,360 Our friendship was about just 1002 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:30,320 enjoying life. Have fun. You are who you are. 1003 01:14:31,660 --> 01:14:37,620 I think that my husband needed hyper -masculinity in order to feel safe. 1004 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:43,240 But with the friends that he made in our town of Santa Fe, he was able to 1005 01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:49,680 experience grown adult men who had no vendetta against him. And so I think 1006 01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:54,180 my husband was finally ready to be inducted in the Hall of Fame, he was 1007 01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:59,100 somebody that was actually worthy of that honor in his own mind, but also for 1008 01:14:59,100 --> 01:15:00,100 the fans. 1009 01:15:03,180 --> 01:15:07,260 Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the ring by two young ladies who were so 1010 01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:11,220 special in his life, may I present Warrior. 1011 01:15:29,550 --> 01:15:35,910 For several years, the WWE had tried to find ways of getting 1012 01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:38,050 Warrior into the Hall of Fame. 1013 01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:40,910 And he had repeatedly said no. 1014 01:15:42,570 --> 01:15:48,070 This particular year, for whatever reason, Warrior was able to trust. 1015 01:15:48,630 --> 01:15:53,370 And I said, I apologize for anything I've ever said, anything I've ever done. 1016 01:15:53,470 --> 01:15:56,910 That was then, let's just bury the hatchet and move on. 1017 01:15:57,150 --> 01:15:58,470 So you just can't believe it's been... 1018 01:15:58,990 --> 01:16:00,350 As long as it has been. 1019 01:16:00,610 --> 01:16:05,130 He enters into an agreement with the WWE to become an ambassador for a period of 1020 01:16:05,130 --> 01:16:06,130 several years. 1021 01:16:06,890 --> 01:16:10,990 Obviously, there was a tension with the relationship with WWE throughout the 1022 01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:13,790 years. You know what I mean? What does it mean to kind of get back into the 1023 01:16:13,790 --> 01:16:15,010 and kind of repair things? 1024 01:16:18,370 --> 01:16:19,370 Well, it means a lot. 1025 01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:23,070 Well, 1026 01:16:23,730 --> 01:16:27,070 it means a lot. You know, it was purposeful that they put the DVD out. 1027 01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:32,560 It hurt my feelings a lot, man. It hurt me that they did that. 1028 01:16:37,060 --> 01:16:40,340 You know, I have a lot of emotion about coming back. 1029 01:16:41,540 --> 01:16:45,540 It's well known that the Hellwig men had a short lifespan. 1030 01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,300 His grandfather died in his 50s. 1031 01:16:48,540 --> 01:16:53,460 His father died in his 50s. And knowing that... 1032 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:59,420 Most of the Hell Week boys die at a young age. Definitely has to color how 1033 01:16:59,420 --> 01:17:03,380 live your life. You either face it or you live in fear of it. 1034 01:17:04,220 --> 01:17:05,940 Great. Let me get that down. 1035 01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:13,120 Bring that for... I think it was calculated on his part because he knew 1036 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:19,900 that by reigniting this relationship with the WWE, he can be the man that his 1037 01:17:19,900 --> 01:17:21,400 father never was for him. 1038 01:17:22,060 --> 01:17:28,560 This was his moment to set aside the hurt, the ego, the pride, 1039 01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:34,380 all of the things that had kept him estranged, and to say, I'm going to do 1040 01:17:34,380 --> 01:17:35,660 for my family. 1041 01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,180 You built a brand. These are the graphics that support the brand. 1042 01:17:43,100 --> 01:17:46,480 There are a few legitimately tough guys in our business. 1043 01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:48,760 Most of us aren't. 1044 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,300 So we get to go out there and we get to act like tough guys. 1045 01:17:53,780 --> 01:17:55,700 And people look up to you and you're larger than life. 1046 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,340 And there's responsibility that comes with that. 1047 01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:02,660 Responsibility is that if you get to do that, you get that opportunity to do 1048 01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:06,880 that, then you should be able to go out into the real world and handle a simple 1049 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:07,900 thing like life. 1050 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,920 You know, it's hard for me because when you get disrespected like that, you 1051 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:26,620 know, I got kids and I got family and it just was so wrong in so many 1052 01:18:26,620 --> 01:18:30,920 ways. I love you very much. I want you to know that. Thanks a lot, man. I've 1053 01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,920 been dying to see you and I really do. I really do. 1054 01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:36,220 No matter what. 1055 01:18:38,420 --> 01:18:41,000 I think he was just really excited to go home. 1056 01:18:41,860 --> 01:18:46,960 And absolutely he wanted that reconciliation with Vince because Vince, 1057 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:47,579 to him. 1058 01:18:47,580 --> 01:18:52,200 But he also wanted to show Vince, I have family now, too. 1059 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,460 And now you're part of it. I don't need you to be all of it. 1060 01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:03,420 Ladies and gentlemen, accompanied to the ring by two young ladies who were so 1061 01:19:03,420 --> 01:19:07,360 special in his life, may I present Warrior. 1062 01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:26,160 In 1991, Vince wrote me a letter. He said, you think you're a legend in your 1063 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,160 mind. 1064 01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,080 But I didn't think that I was a legend in my mind. But I will tell you this, 1065 01:19:31,100 --> 01:19:34,540 Vince. The Ultimate Warrior is a legend today. 1066 01:19:35,060 --> 01:19:40,700 And he will continue to run into the hearts and minds of fans throughout 1067 01:19:40,700 --> 01:19:43,440 generations to come. And I'm proud of that. 1068 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,860 I'm proud of you for supporting me in fighting for the Ultimate Warrior to be 1069 01:19:47,860 --> 01:19:49,180 inducted into the Hall of Fame. 1070 01:19:55,860 --> 01:19:59,160 Regardless of personal stuff, regardless of what you see on the internet or 1071 01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:03,120 anything, we're now all grown -ups. We're nostalgically looking at this guy 1072 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:07,060 like, yes, this is when I was six. This is the guy I was watching. I'm so happy 1073 01:20:07,060 --> 01:20:08,060 he's back. 1074 01:20:08,620 --> 01:20:12,440 From the moment he ran onto WWE television until he, you know... 1075 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:13,960 Took the belt from Hogan. 1076 01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,220 Hold that up against any wrestler in the history of wrestling. That's what we 1077 01:20:18,220 --> 01:20:19,220 were celebrating. 1078 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:23,920 I mean, I was there on Monday Night Raw when he came out, and I've never been in 1079 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:25,580 a crowd that felt like that. 1080 01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:51,960 One day beats its final beat. 1081 01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,740 His lungs breathe their final breath. 1082 01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:00,560 And if what that man did in his life makes the blood pulse through the body 1083 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:07,460 others and makes them bleed deeper in something than larger than life, then 1084 01:21:07,460 --> 01:21:11,580 essence, his spirit will be immortalized. 1085 01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,420 You, you, you, you are. 1086 01:21:16,030 --> 01:21:18,870 The legend makers of Ultimate Warrior. 1087 01:21:21,930 --> 01:21:28,510 Finally, Jim, he understood how it all worked then. And that may be, as far as 1088 01:21:28,510 --> 01:21:32,210 know, about the only time he's ever been at peace with himself. He so 1089 01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:38,670 appreciated the honor and what have you. And unfortunately, a 1090 01:21:38,670 --> 01:21:40,270 couple of days later, he died. 1091 01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,160 Everything felt so good. 1092 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,220 My kids are so proud of their dad. 1093 01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:02,560 We were going to go to Arizona and have spring break. 1094 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:08,720 And we got on a plane to go to Phoenix, and we get to the hotel, and 1095 01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:12,120 he said, I don't feel good. 1096 01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:16,480 I said, I know, babe, neither do I. Like, it's been hectic. It's going to be 1097 01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:17,700 fine. You just rest. 1098 01:22:18,170 --> 01:22:21,430 What do you need? I'll go get it for you. Like, he's like, no, I don't feel 1099 01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:24,650 good. And he said, I think I need to go to the hospital. And that's where I was 1100 01:22:24,650 --> 01:22:27,850 like, oh, no. 1101 01:22:31,490 --> 01:22:34,370 And I didn't want the girls to come because I didn't want them to be scared. 1102 01:22:36,250 --> 01:22:38,490 So they were old enough to lock the door. 1103 01:22:42,930 --> 01:22:46,950 It was one second before we were out the door. 1104 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,040 and catch him. 1105 01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:07,400 And we get to the hospital and they wheel him back there. 1106 01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:11,520 And they said he didn't make it. 1107 01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:20,120 And I also knew, like, I was going to have to tell my kids. 1108 01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,460 And I left them at the hotel at the last... 1109 01:23:26,810 --> 01:23:30,890 Thinking I was protecting them, but then did I rob them of the last moment with 1110 01:23:30,890 --> 01:23:31,890 their dad? 1111 01:23:44,970 --> 01:23:51,650 What he built at home was far greater than anything the ultimate 1112 01:23:51,650 --> 01:23:55,030 warrior achieved in front of the television cameras. 1113 01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,780 That's the tragedy of the man's life. When he finally found the love that he 1114 01:24:03,780 --> 01:24:10,080 couldn't find as a child, and he had nothing left to hate, that's when his 1115 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:11,080 gave up. 1116 01:24:12,780 --> 01:24:16,500 You know, I mean, I can remember back when I was a young kid, being the kid in 1117 01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:20,200 the wrong place at the wrong time, my dad leaving when I was 12, 13 years old, 1118 01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,280 having self -doubts about myself like any young kid does. 1119 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,860 You create your own sort of fantasy. 1120 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:32,480 protector, in a sense. You know, the thing that you connect with to make you 1121 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:37,500 strong, to get you through the self -doubts that you have. 1122 01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,220 His daughters are definitely his lasting legacy. 1123 01:24:42,580 --> 01:24:47,220 He was never more proud of anything in his life than his girls. 1124 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,660 And he wanted both of them, which they do, to have that warrior spirit. 1125 01:24:53,100 --> 01:24:54,740 There's nothing simple about Jim Helwig. 1126 01:24:56,390 --> 01:25:01,730 He was a flawed and complicated human being who made some serious mistakes in 1127 01:25:01,730 --> 01:25:02,730 his life. 1128 01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:06,350 But it's a human story. 1129 01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:12,590 Having done Ultimate Warrior as a sports entertainment identity, why I think the 1130 01:25:12,590 --> 01:25:16,850 way I do, it's built into us. It's a part of our nature. It's a part of our 1131 01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:20,410 human nature to grow. 1132 01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:28,090 I think redemption is a heavy burden to place on any one human being because 1133 01:25:28,090 --> 01:25:31,070 we're all on a journey to find out who it is that we are. 1134 01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:38,630 I don't believe that my husband's story ends with his passing. 1135 01:25:39,150 --> 01:25:45,270 I believe that that spirit of the warrior lives on in each and every one 1136 01:25:45,270 --> 01:25:47,990 who decides to do better. 106227

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