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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:05,970 --> 00:00:10,390 I mean, that way, Keith, it looks like it's higher, right? Did you do that from 2 00:00:10,390 --> 00:00:11,390 the second rope? 3 00:00:12,350 --> 00:00:13,350 Boom. 4 00:00:13,630 --> 00:00:17,890 This job to me is the greatest life that I could ever live. 5 00:00:19,010 --> 00:00:24,270 For years, people told me that I was too small, that I couldn't do this, that I 6 00:00:24,270 --> 00:00:26,030 couldn't do that, and I wasn't going to make it. 7 00:00:26,570 --> 00:00:28,310 And I've shoved it in everybody's face. 8 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:33,690 No time out for this man. I realize I can't be popular with everybody all the 9 00:00:33,690 --> 00:00:38,870 time. So in the meantime, I'm going to be popular with me, and I'm going to be 10 00:00:38,870 --> 00:00:39,870 the best. 11 00:00:40,250 --> 00:00:46,010 There are definitely two lives of Shawn Michaels, even as who he was before. 12 00:00:46,330 --> 00:00:52,430 You will not ever in your lives see a man more charismatic, more 13 00:00:52,430 --> 00:00:57,250 flamboyant, or more talented than the heartbreak kid Shawn Michaels. 14 00:00:57,550 --> 00:00:58,550 The greatest. 15 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,900 in -ring performer of all time. 16 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:05,360 Being a prick doesn't actually sound. 17 00:01:05,820 --> 00:01:06,658 It did. 18 00:01:06,660 --> 00:01:07,660 It was a dick. 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,480 There was so much bad blood between us, and I was always like, if I see him, 20 00:01:15,540 --> 00:01:16,960 I'll kill him. 21 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:18,820 I had so much. 22 00:01:19,500 --> 00:01:25,660 anger about it nobody steals my spotlight i want it all sean michaels 23 00:01:25,660 --> 00:01:31,060 absolutely anything any style to perfection with anyone when the bell 24 00:01:31,060 --> 00:01:36,540 one is as good as sean i will give you a show like you have never ever seen 25 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:43,160 before why because i can the only man to win every major title 26 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:48,230 you can't say anybody was better but also tormented It was like on self 27 00:01:48,230 --> 00:01:49,230 -destruct mode. 28 00:01:49,430 --> 00:01:52,750 I just knew that he didn't love himself. There was something in him that he 29 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:55,630 despised. You're taking pain pills at 12 in the afternoon. 30 00:01:56,270 --> 00:01:58,370 Belligerent, falling down, staggering. 31 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:02,670 Everything that you have in your life is this. And it's all going away. 32 00:02:04,350 --> 00:02:08,470 On more than one occasion, I really wanted a big tail light shot. 33 00:02:08,850 --> 00:02:12,150 But I knew there was a good man behind all this other crap. 34 00:02:12,750 --> 00:02:14,290 The biggest thing that he ever did. 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,180 is turning his life around to where he is now. 36 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,000 And so, yep, there are two lives there, but there's one Shawn Michaels. 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,940 The very best sports entertainer in the world! 38 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,880 I love it. I say this, I say, again, Vince, he's always telling me, you go 39 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,300 the way out there, I'll reel you back in. 40 00:02:41,820 --> 00:02:46,180 if I want to, you know what I mean? NXT started out as a developmental brand 41 00:02:46,180 --> 00:02:51,800 that grooms WWE superstars. Any kind of count -out, DQ or whatever, ends the 42 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,800 match. There are Shawn's fingerprints in almost every talent in NXT. 43 00:02:56,260 --> 00:02:57,500 Shawn is very hands -on. 44 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,580 Then he sits up behind him and then... He sold out arenas all around the world 45 00:03:02,580 --> 00:03:04,220 when he was the Heartbreak Kid. 46 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:07,200 He's in a different place in his life now. He's humble. 47 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:09,760 He wants to be behind the scenes. It isn't about him. 48 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:15,430 He wants to help others achieve their dreams. Say it with passion and anger. 49 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:18,470 Here we go, guys. Three, two, one. 50 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:24,810 Seeing Shawn today, it's sometimes hard for people to believe that Shawn 51 00:03:24,810 --> 00:03:29,130 Michaels, certain levels of talent, commands certain levels of respect. 52 00:03:31,530 --> 00:03:37,110 His knowledge and his... 53 00:03:37,470 --> 00:03:39,590 wisdom of the business and all that stuff. 54 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:41,350 It's so valuable. 55 00:03:43,190 --> 00:03:47,730 Shawn Michaels' life is a story that a lot of people could relate to. 56 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:49,850 He always wanted more. 57 00:03:50,070 --> 00:03:51,970 It was a life of never enough. 58 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:55,250 And then his life totally changes. 59 00:03:55,750 --> 00:03:57,270 A lot of us have that. 60 00:03:57,650 --> 00:04:01,770 If we're lucky, I think the Shawn Michaels story is one that's really cool 61 00:04:01,770 --> 00:04:03,790 one that all of us can stand to learn from. 62 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,860 I was born into a military family. 63 00:04:11,140 --> 00:04:13,380 My father was in the Air Force. 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,940 It was Michael Sean Hickenbottom, but everybody in my family called me Sean. 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:25,280 My father was a pilot. So early on, we moved a lot. He was going to Vietnam. 66 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:31,380 We went to England, then Maryland, and then we moved to Texas. I was about 67 00:04:31,380 --> 00:04:34,980 -ish. From that point on, I was in the state of Texas. 68 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:41,400 You don't have long -lasting friendships in the Air Force. The hardest part for 69 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,820 making friends was having the last name. The roll call, Hickenbottom, Michael 70 00:04:45,820 --> 00:04:49,420 Hickenbottom. You'd hear the snickers all over the road, Hickenbottom, and of 71 00:04:49,420 --> 00:04:50,419 course you did. 72 00:04:50,420 --> 00:04:52,920 And it's like, son of a biscuit, I wish I had a different last name. 73 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:59,680 Sean was well -loved. He was always very quiet and very shy. 74 00:05:00,980 --> 00:05:03,320 Growing up, he wasn't an extrovert. 75 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,600 He was just a good. 76 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:08,730 friendly, nice little boy. 77 00:05:09,030 --> 00:05:14,630 And people liked him. He was involved in sports all of his life. He just enjoyed 78 00:05:14,630 --> 00:05:16,330 doing everything. 79 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:21,770 I was a big fan of playing football because of the contact. 80 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:25,530 You know, contact and athletics were appealing to me. 81 00:05:26,750 --> 00:05:30,990 And then I'm 12 years old, getting to stay up late on a Saturday night. 82 00:05:32,500 --> 00:05:36,940 And this wrestling show starts, Southwest Championship Wrestling. 83 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,780 The beginning montage of the guys, slow motions, jumping off the top rope. 84 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:46,160 I was enthralled. It was just the neatest thing I ever saw. 85 00:05:46,540 --> 00:05:49,780 The best in professional wrestling, and I'm Steve. After the show, I walked out. 86 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:52,820 My mom was in the kitchen. I said, I know what I'm going to do when I grow 87 00:05:53,180 --> 00:05:55,620 And she said, what? I said, I'm going to be a professional wrestler. 88 00:05:55,940 --> 00:05:57,420 I was like, oh, that's nice, honey. 89 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,240 He began to talk about that's what he wanted to do. 90 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,520 And I was sure that ultimately he would grow out of that, but he never did. 91 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:14,520 Down at the Freeman Coliseum, Sean would periodically get to go and, oh, he saw 92 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,960 Tully Blanchard. Wahoo McDaniels, Eddie Mansfield, Scott Casey. 93 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,020 Of course, then later, Ric Flair was the wrestling god. 94 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:28,250 And he would buy wrestling magazines, and he would look at Ric Flair, and then 95 00:06:28,250 --> 00:06:31,970 he'd stand in the mirror and try to talk like him and look like him. 96 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:37,190 Being a wrestling fan, it was really a black sheep source of mockery. 97 00:06:37,650 --> 00:06:40,190 It's not something you say with a great deal of pride. 98 00:06:41,450 --> 00:06:45,410 It was just a relationship between me and wrestling for a while. 99 00:06:45,630 --> 00:06:49,970 And my dad was an amateur wrestler at the University of Iowa, so he was a real 100 00:06:49,970 --> 00:06:54,540 wrestler. And, of course, he just gave some gruff, like, ah, that stuff's fake. 101 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:59,580 The kindest thing I could say about it was I considered it to be an athletic 102 00:06:59,580 --> 00:07:05,140 soap opera, which has always been my description of professional wrestling. 103 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:08,840 Then a new kid gets transferred, but his name is Kenny Kent. 104 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:12,420 I met Sean the summer of 1980. 105 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,660 We were sophomores in high school, both 15. 106 00:07:15,220 --> 00:07:18,840 He would want to wrestle and throw around his friends, and they didn't like 107 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,180 And so I instantly became his little tag team partner, and we would just bash 108 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:27,580 each other and throw each other around, and that's really what developed our 109 00:07:27,580 --> 00:07:31,200 friendship. They'd practice out in the pool, frightening. 110 00:07:32,420 --> 00:07:36,940 Sean would lift him straight up, and then they'd fall into the pool. 111 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:39,120 His way of practicing. 112 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:44,680 Sean dreamed of wrestling. He would call me and tell me these matches that he 113 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,860 would lay out and prepare. 114 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,940 He was really obsessed with it. 115 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,700 In that time, you struggle back and forth with people are telling you it's 116 00:07:53,780 --> 00:07:55,340 but I am there watching the guy. 117 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:58,400 I mean, hit the guy and sweats flying off. 118 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:00,860 There's something to it. 119 00:08:01,340 --> 00:08:03,340 They've got me hook, line, and sinker. 120 00:08:04,020 --> 00:08:07,940 We were a very small school. We did not have a wrestling team, but our senior 121 00:08:07,940 --> 00:08:12,480 year, we had a talent show, and it was Sean's idea that me and him were going 122 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:13,480 do a wrestling match. 123 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,360 Everything was going quite well until I threw Sean off the stage. 124 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,580 into the crowd and beat his head on the table a couple of times. 125 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:24,420 And there's just blood gushing all over his head. 126 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,360 And people are going nuts. 127 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,100 I think we came in second. 128 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:29,520 We didn't win. 129 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,280 We got beat by a group of cheerleaders. 130 00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:37,940 So, you know, two guys in little tighty -whities versus cheerleaders, they're 131 00:08:37,940 --> 00:08:38,940 going to win every time. 132 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,260 We graduate, and then it's, what are you going to do? Have you decided what you 133 00:08:44,260 --> 00:08:45,820 want? I still want to be a wrestler. 134 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:53,240 I recognize that I said it when I was 12, but it's just been a big, big part 135 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:53,979 my life. 136 00:08:53,980 --> 00:08:56,360 Okay, that's awesome. That's not a possibility. 137 00:08:57,060 --> 00:09:00,280 But, you know, at 17, you look at them and you think, you don't know what 138 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,059 talking about. 139 00:09:01,060 --> 00:09:02,560 We said you're going to college. 140 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:06,560 There wasn't a lot of hope and understanding in what I was doing. 141 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,460 We went off to Southwest Texas State University. 142 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,940 When we lived together in college, there were many nights I would hear him, and 143 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:17,300 he's standing there with his shirt off, and he'd be talking and screaming at the 144 00:09:17,300 --> 00:09:18,420 mirror, practicing. 145 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:24,980 At the end of the second semester, I think his GPA was .4. 146 00:09:25,340 --> 00:09:28,800 School just wasn't for him, and he was ready to make his move into the 147 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:34,580 world. Essentially, he said, I don't want to waste any more of my time or 148 00:09:34,580 --> 00:09:37,380 money. I am going to be a professional wrestler. 149 00:09:38,700 --> 00:09:43,340 My dad played golf with this guy, and apparently he's the guy that's the local 150 00:09:43,340 --> 00:09:45,140 promoter here in San Antonio. 151 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:49,160 We go down there, and Jose Lothario was there. 152 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:52,840 From San Antonio, Texas, superstar Jose Lothario. 153 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:57,620 I understood he was a legitimate name. The gentleman's name where he has to be 154 00:09:57,620 --> 00:10:01,940 trained. Jose could do the training if you wanted. It's going to cost $3 ,000. 155 00:10:03,180 --> 00:10:07,080 I thought about facing him when he was 35. 156 00:10:07,870 --> 00:10:14,370 40 years old, and having him say, Dad, if you had just given me the chance, 157 00:10:14,610 --> 00:10:19,250 I could have been a professional wrestler. And I couldn't face that 158 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:22,810 And so I said, what the hell? 159 00:10:32,410 --> 00:10:36,550 You know, I wake up every day never forgetting what I did for a living. 160 00:10:38,410 --> 00:10:42,470 Sort of developed to have him get up in the morning, stretch in, and then the 161 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:43,149 heat pad. 162 00:10:43,150 --> 00:10:48,370 Over the years, you just come up with a system that your body responds well to. 163 00:10:49,270 --> 00:10:54,570 I do some form of training every day, you know, to be comfortable for the rest 164 00:10:54,570 --> 00:10:55,570 of the day. 165 00:10:55,890 --> 00:10:59,770 I plan on getting, you know, new knees, knee replacements, and shoulder 166 00:10:59,770 --> 00:11:03,950 replacements. Most things are going to add to my quality of life. 167 00:11:04,230 --> 00:11:07,110 It's not like I got into this stuff thinking, I want to be. 168 00:11:07,530 --> 00:11:13,030 independently wealthy, and be 100 % healthy. That doesn't happen. So I don't 169 00:11:13,030 --> 00:11:15,930 mind any of it. I don't think that's some big, crazy sacrifice. 170 00:11:25,810 --> 00:11:29,590 I first came across Shawn Michaels in 1983. 171 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:33,990 Shawn was training with a gentleman by the name of Jose Lothario. 172 00:11:34,310 --> 00:11:36,690 Jose was a big star in... 173 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,280 Houston, Texas, Dallas, San Antonio. 174 00:11:40,340 --> 00:11:43,500 He was Hispanic, so there was a luchador style. 175 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:46,380 It was the aerial side of things. 176 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,580 Thankfully, in all of that process, he saw that, oh, my goodness, he's actually 177 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:58,440 pretty good. It was worth the $3 ,000, period, for him to get me my first job 178 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,340 Louisiana. That could not have happened without Jose Otero. 179 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,240 The pride of Vero Beach, Florida, Terry Taylor. 180 00:12:06,170 --> 00:12:10,410 First time I met Shawn Michaels working for Mid -South, there was this young, 181 00:12:10,490 --> 00:12:15,910 innocent, cheerful, vibrant sort of lost young man. 182 00:12:16,330 --> 00:12:17,650 I was scared of everything. 183 00:12:17,930 --> 00:12:20,690 It was a lot of confusion, a lot of unknown. 184 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:23,930 How in God's name is this supposed to go on? 185 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:28,030 They came walking to the back and Terry Taylor was standing there at the 186 00:12:28,030 --> 00:12:30,010 curtain. I said, how long have you been in the business? 187 00:12:30,330 --> 00:12:31,690 And he goes, that was my first match. 188 00:12:31,950 --> 00:12:33,010 I couldn't believe it. 189 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:39,460 Because this isn't easy. Shawn Michaels, very young man and very inexperienced, 190 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:41,520 but he has a great deal of natural athletic ability. 191 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,200 We drove 3 ,000 miles a week. That means there's a lot of time that you're in 192 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,340 the car doing this, and he would ask questions. Young man who is quite 193 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:54,460 I was very well -mannered. I was quiet, and I wanted to do nothing but learn. 194 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,880 Some young people come in, I know everything. 195 00:12:57,460 --> 00:12:58,720 Nothing like that for Shawn. 196 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,780 Humble, passionate, driven, hungry. 197 00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:10,030 At about six months, the owner, Bill Watts, came to me and he got me set up 198 00:13:10,030 --> 00:13:11,029 Kansas City. 199 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:16,530 I was going to have the opportunity to begin to grow as a wrestler, as a 200 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:17,530 performer. 201 00:13:17,610 --> 00:13:21,150 We're hearing all this like, gosh, John Michaels, John Michaels coming in. We're 202 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:24,690 like, damn, nobody's got any attention like this. 203 00:13:24,910 --> 00:13:25,910 What's wrong with us? 204 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:30,940 We walked into the dressing room, and this guy had real short hair, green 205 00:13:30,940 --> 00:13:33,320 tights, pulled up to under his chest. 206 00:13:33,620 --> 00:13:36,940 Let me ask this nerd, like, hey, do you know who Shawn Michaels is? 207 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,360 And anybody goes, I'm Shawn Michaels. 208 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,120 Oh, damn. 209 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:46,640 We got some work to do. They threw us together because they needed a match 210 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,640 quick. We didn't have time to prepare for it. But it clicked. 211 00:13:50,900 --> 00:13:52,320 Marty Janetti. 212 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:57,100 Marty just carried himself with such confidence. He was enjoying himself. He 213 00:13:57,100 --> 00:14:01,240 outgoing. I was so sort of shy, conservative. 214 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Shawn came from a military family. Shawn was protected from a lot of the 215 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,840 evils that lurk in the real world. 216 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,540 And having some notoriety, being on television, you've got women, you've got 217 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:19,060 alcohol, you've got drugs, and it's all readily available to you. 218 00:14:19,830 --> 00:14:21,190 Yeah, he liked it right away. 219 00:14:21,450 --> 00:14:23,070 But at first he wasn't old enough. 220 00:14:23,610 --> 00:14:25,270 So he had to wait in the parking lot. 221 00:14:25,590 --> 00:14:28,150 We'd bring girls down to him and beer down to him. 222 00:14:28,970 --> 00:14:32,750 Marty Gennetti one day said to me, you know what, I see something in you. It's 223 00:14:32,750 --> 00:14:33,750 just dying to get out. 224 00:14:34,530 --> 00:14:36,650 He said, you just need somebody to bring it out of you. 225 00:14:37,250 --> 00:14:38,330 And I'm going to bring it out. 226 00:14:38,870 --> 00:14:42,990 From the Showboat Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada. 227 00:14:43,790 --> 00:14:46,930 This is AWA, Championship Wrestling on ESPN. 228 00:14:47,310 --> 00:14:50,970 So I was 20 years old, TV tapings are in Las Vegas. 229 00:14:51,790 --> 00:14:55,750 At that time, Marty and I, you know, I knew he was out there. So you just start 230 00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:57,050 looking around. 231 00:14:59,030 --> 00:15:03,750 All of a sudden, there he is. He's down there playing and go down there. I went 232 00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:04,750 and just do, do, do. 233 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,120 Pulled it down. I'm sitting there with him, and all of a sudden we hear this 234 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:12,840 ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Red lights go flashing around, and 235 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:19,180 Sean hit triple sevens. Won $750 the first time. The irony of it now, like, 236 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,120 this place was Vegas, and the nightlife of Vegas and everything else would be my 237 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,580 downfall. It started later that night. 238 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:30,280 It's the first line of Yale. 239 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,940 You know, the first line of blow, and it's, oh, my gosh, this is the greatest 240 00:15:35,940 --> 00:15:36,940 thing ever. 241 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,600 And just this whole world opens up. 242 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:45,020 I'd have never been able to get that guy out of me. And Marty is the guy that 243 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:48,260 helped tap into that. I don't even know how much I knew was there. 244 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,380 Me and Sean partied Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Thursday 245 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:56,260 night. Come Friday, we'll burn out. 246 00:15:56,660 --> 00:15:58,900 Big Van Vader, he comes to hang out with us. 247 00:15:59,370 --> 00:16:03,610 He looked at Curt Hennig, and he goes, I thought you said these guys partied. 248 00:16:04,350 --> 00:16:06,470 And Curt said, they don't start until midnight. 249 00:16:06,930 --> 00:16:10,670 The Midnight Rockers, what a sensational pair they are. 250 00:16:10,910 --> 00:16:11,910 It was like magic. 251 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:13,810 The Judas Priest song, come on. 252 00:16:14,290 --> 00:16:16,530 They love to party. 253 00:16:16,770 --> 00:16:18,750 They've taken the AWA by storm. 254 00:16:19,010 --> 00:16:22,010 The move happening faster than we can even talk about it. They've got to put a 255 00:16:22,010 --> 00:16:25,210 bigger roof on the arenas to hold these two kids in it. These two are 256 00:16:25,210 --> 00:16:26,210 sensational, 257 00:16:27,070 --> 00:16:28,070 to say the least. 258 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,600 Live in after midnight. 259 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:34,040 Rock in till we're gone. 260 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,040 Midnight Rockers had a hell of a run in the AWA that had TV on ESPN. 261 00:16:41,420 --> 00:16:45,560 The World Tag Team Championship is Marty Zunetti and Shawn Michaels' goal. They 262 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:50,060 were smaller guys, but they could work with the Giants and have a great match. 263 00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:56,600 The Tag Team Championship of the World is what they are fighting for here 264 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:57,600 tonight. 265 00:17:01,230 --> 00:17:05,690 The blood match, if you will, is the first time that a national audience got 266 00:17:05,690 --> 00:17:12,069 exposed to the talent of the Midnight Rockers. This is absolute mayhem. The 267 00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:17,130 match itself was very bloody, very gory. One of the toughest, roughest matches 268 00:17:17,130 --> 00:17:19,109 that we have ever seen. 269 00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:24,130 That was kind of like a defining moment in their career that they were made at 270 00:17:24,130 --> 00:17:25,130 that level. 271 00:17:26,430 --> 00:17:30,130 If we was on the road 300 days a year, we partied 290 of them. 272 00:17:31,330 --> 00:17:34,290 We used to do a lot of drugs. There was a lot of powder around. 273 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:37,330 You look at rock stars and you look at rock bands. 274 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:41,310 There was a tendency to want to go wild and destroy things. 275 00:17:41,950 --> 00:17:45,070 It's fun when you're young because you feel like a rebel. 276 00:17:45,390 --> 00:17:46,970 We've made it, man. Look at this. 277 00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:50,770 You throw a beer bottle up against the wall and you're like, all right, we'll 278 00:17:50,770 --> 00:17:51,770 pay for it later. 279 00:17:51,810 --> 00:17:54,810 We always did the job, but it was just burning all night. 280 00:17:55,070 --> 00:18:01,290 destroyed a room with a showboat, and we got the entire AWA, the entire company 281 00:18:01,290 --> 00:18:02,290 got kicked out of there. 282 00:18:03,090 --> 00:18:06,990 It wasn't very long that we had a reputation. 283 00:18:07,290 --> 00:18:10,810 And once you get it, everybody else knows you got it. 284 00:18:12,590 --> 00:18:14,850 WWE was starting to really separate itself. 285 00:18:15,170 --> 00:18:17,590 That's where you wanted to go. That's where you set your goals. 286 00:18:18,810 --> 00:18:22,390 Finally, Marty got the call to go into New York. 287 00:18:23,390 --> 00:18:28,470 In 1987, the Rockers started in Buffalo, New York. 288 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:34,710 Marty and Shawn looked at this as their big break that night in the bar. 289 00:18:34,930 --> 00:18:41,290 The other talent looked at Shawn and Marty as these two young punks with a 290 00:18:41,290 --> 00:18:42,269 on their shoulder. 291 00:18:42,270 --> 00:18:46,590 They're going to have to earn the respect of the WWE locker room. 292 00:18:47,020 --> 00:18:52,040 We were scared, man. We were scared. So that night, that's why we kind of kept 293 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,040 to ourselves. 294 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,560 And Terry Garvin come up and he said, no, don't do that. Don't do that. Y 'all 295 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,560 have to mingle. 296 00:18:59,300 --> 00:19:04,100 And then all of a sudden, Jimmy Jack Funk, he came over and he's hammering 297 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:04,979 these drinks. 298 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:07,480 And he's like, hey, you guys be partiers. 299 00:19:07,700 --> 00:19:09,640 He starts eating his glass. 300 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:12,340 Come on, let's do it. 301 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:14,140 I at least got to be a little bit tough. 302 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,160 So then I make wine glass all over my head. 303 00:19:18,030 --> 00:19:20,550 And that was it. Turn around, I leave. 304 00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:25,710 I would never say we didn't earn our reputations, any of that. But the 305 00:19:25,710 --> 00:19:29,270 business is one giant fish story, all right? So if something happened once in 306 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:31,450 the wrestling business, that gets magnified to ten times. 307 00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:38,390 Some people say that Sean or Marty threw a beer bottle, which started a chain of 308 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:40,970 events that couldn't be stopped. 309 00:19:41,690 --> 00:19:45,610 And then these two guys, I mean, they're in there just getting crazy, tearing up 310 00:19:45,610 --> 00:19:47,790 the bar, throwing stuff all over the place. 311 00:19:48,830 --> 00:19:50,750 That is not at all what happened. 312 00:19:52,650 --> 00:19:59,270 The next day, Sean and Marty were fired, and it was over for them after one day 313 00:19:59,270 --> 00:20:03,010 from just the story and the hearsay and innuendo. 314 00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:09,130 I normally get reasons as to why I want to do something, and I'm sure I did with 315 00:20:09,130 --> 00:20:09,959 them, but... 316 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,620 That was one and done out. 317 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,880 He said, guys don't like it. He said, they won't let you make it here. In my 318 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,100 mind, I'm 23 and it's over. 319 00:20:23,140 --> 00:20:25,200 That was my one big shot. 320 00:20:26,260 --> 00:20:28,880 It happened now and it's gone. 321 00:20:34,340 --> 00:20:36,380 I was going to take a little takeover. 322 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,680 We'll watch it and I'll scull you. 323 00:20:39,050 --> 00:20:40,050 Okay. 324 00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:46,070 Shawn Michaels put his heart and soul into being the best pro wrestler that he 325 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:51,290 could possibly be. And he does the exact same thing as a coach and as a 326 00:20:51,290 --> 00:20:54,690 producer. Stop there and look at each other. Can that stuff take a little 327 00:20:54,690 --> 00:20:59,690 longer? He will find ways to pick apart every little thing to make it better. 328 00:21:00,010 --> 00:21:01,010 Same for the head. 329 00:21:01,490 --> 00:21:04,770 You can't hold back on that because it's going to cause you not to get all the 330 00:21:04,770 --> 00:21:05,770 way around. 331 00:21:05,900 --> 00:21:11,140 Shawn has this amazing ability to instill a confidence in you. This was 332 00:21:11,140 --> 00:21:15,440 tremendous. And when someone like Shawn Michaels gives that to you, that's all 333 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:16,480 the motivation that you need. 334 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:26,560 The unfortunate 335 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:33,400 byproduct of Shawn and Marty being fired after their first day in WWE is 336 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,020 Marty and Shawn had... burned their bridge in the AWA. 337 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:38,400 Where do you go? 338 00:21:38,620 --> 00:21:43,380 Welcome once again to Continental Championship Wrestling. We ended up in 339 00:21:43,380 --> 00:21:46,080 Birmingham, Alabama, Continental Wrestling. 340 00:21:46,740 --> 00:21:52,060 I was wrestling in front of 25 people at $300 a week. If you wanted to get $50 341 00:21:52,060 --> 00:21:57,060 in cash, get your other $50 in blow, you could do that, which is probably what I 342 00:21:57,060 --> 00:21:58,240 did nine times out of ten. 343 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,580 I heard him talk about how depressed he was. 344 00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:06,290 At that time, we was doing a lot of cocaine. 345 00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:10,570 And we would talk about wrestling, and we would watch wrestling videos, and we 346 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:14,470 would study. I had to go home to my girlfriend like at 2 or 3 or 4 in the 347 00:22:14,470 --> 00:22:17,250 morning. Sometimes the next morning, the sun was out. 348 00:22:17,450 --> 00:22:22,450 And evidently, the way he says it, I let him down because I didn't stay with him 349 00:22:22,450 --> 00:22:25,550 more, and he was by himself. When you're doing cocaine, you don't want to be 350 00:22:25,550 --> 00:22:26,550 alone. 351 00:22:28,970 --> 00:22:32,350 When you're up at 4 o 'clock in the morning coming down from... 352 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,160 The yayo, that's, like, that's very dreary. 353 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,540 Because the low is just so really new. 354 00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:43,680 I was, like, man, if I had a gun, this is one of those times that I was 355 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,200 enough to have the balls to do it. 356 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,860 At that time, it would have wrecked my parents. You know, their suffering is 357 00:22:50,860 --> 00:22:52,700 what pulled me back from that. 358 00:22:53,620 --> 00:22:56,080 But the thing is, I never told them the truth. 359 00:22:56,420 --> 00:22:59,320 So I'm not telling, like, jeez, Mom, I'm just partying and getting hammered and 360 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,320 doing blow. 361 00:23:01,610 --> 00:23:07,530 Sean and Marty, they wanted to come back. I remember Pat Patterson giving 362 00:23:07,530 --> 00:23:14,390 the advice to continue to work and continue to reverse the reputation that 363 00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:16,850 have and prove to us that you belong. 364 00:23:17,250 --> 00:23:19,690 And that's what Marty and Sean did. 365 00:23:20,010 --> 00:23:24,650 Pat was instrumental in saying, Vince, he's a great talent. And it was 366 00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:27,950 for me to make that decision because he was a jerk at me doing some stupid 367 00:23:27,950 --> 00:23:29,290 things. But Pat was right. 368 00:23:30,700 --> 00:23:36,280 I was there in 88 when they came back. It had been a year since the Rockers had 369 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:37,860 kind of screwed up on their first day. 370 00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,980 We're going to bring you back with John Probation. You know, keep it together. 371 00:23:43,380 --> 00:23:44,380 Yes, sir. 372 00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:51,560 I met John in 373 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,320 1990. They were pretty much, you know, fun -loving guys. 374 00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:59,640 They even tested me a little bit with their, you know, their antics. 375 00:24:00,060 --> 00:24:03,620 Actually, you know, they were both pretty much peckerheads. I mean, I got 376 00:24:03,620 --> 00:24:05,200 call a spade a spade. 377 00:24:06,700 --> 00:24:12,640 They were definitely 378 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:19,200 innovators doing tandem moves together. You know, such a cohesive unit. 379 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:24,280 The fans were nuts for them, especially the women. You know, the long hair and 380 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,280 all that. 381 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,600 There was a transitional moment happening in the business where the 382 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,080 was picking up the ability to do things that Sean and Marty could do. 383 00:24:36,780 --> 00:24:38,060 Oh, what a backdrop! 384 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:43,380 Tag team wrestling now has been impacted a great deal by what Marty and I did. 385 00:24:45,580 --> 00:24:48,140 First time you ever make a magazine is huge. 386 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:51,840 And we would always go through the stores, stop and look at the magazine 387 00:24:52,060 --> 00:24:54,680 I remember one time I heard Sean, oh my God! 388 00:24:55,200 --> 00:25:00,300 And there's a picture of us. It said, from imitators to innovators. And he's 389 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:04,360 holding it up, and he was so proud. And I was like, oh, man, we did it. 390 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,780 Shawn Michaels, Marty Jannetty, the Rocker! 391 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,480 That's a real notch in the belt to be on Saturday Night's Main Event. 392 00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:18,600 Saturday Night's Main Event was finally going to be the Rockers winning the tag 393 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,860 team championship against Red Heart, Jim the Animal Nightheart. 394 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,120 It was going to be... 395 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:25,379 Five stars. 396 00:25:25,380 --> 00:25:27,260 It's going to be as good a match as we ever had. 397 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,260 We're in the process of having that match, and all of a sudden, the rope 398 00:25:36,100 --> 00:25:41,200 Brett, the consummate pro, he understands it's not live. It's taped. 399 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,560 all this. It's taped. All you got to do is grab a hold, and then they'll fix it, 400 00:25:45,620 --> 00:25:49,100 and then you're still in that hold, and the match can carry on. And I told him, 401 00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:53,400 I said, just fix the rope. Fix the rope. Fix the rope. We'll take care of this. 402 00:25:54,140 --> 00:25:59,160 And then we get word just to continue without it. So that's what we do. 403 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,500 It was a disaster and I was so sick about it. 404 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:09,420 We get our championship victory. We are doing our best to look excited in what 405 00:26:09,420 --> 00:26:14,480 is this huge steaming pile of crap in the ring. 406 00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:17,760 It just looked horrible. So the match never aired. 407 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:22,870 Vince calls me and said, we're not going to acknowledge that you won. We're 408 00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:23,870 going to give the belts back. 409 00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:28,690 I go, okay. Are we going to have another opportunity? 410 00:26:28,990 --> 00:26:30,930 No, we're probably just going to go another direction. 411 00:26:33,910 --> 00:26:38,110 Unbelievably disappointed because that's not what you imagine that moment being. 412 00:26:38,370 --> 00:26:39,390 Done. It's over. 413 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,660 We were on the road 300 days a year for years. 414 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:58,300 Same hotel, same rent -a -car, some of the same girls. 415 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,060 I remember we were in Denver. 416 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,840 Roddy Piper came into the room, and we had a few girls there. 417 00:27:11,140 --> 00:27:13,740 And Roddy kept bragging on Sean. 418 00:27:14,510 --> 00:27:18,510 He was stirring up the pot as far as saying, you know, I could be a singles 419 00:27:18,550 --> 00:27:21,450 you know, have great success and things like that. 420 00:27:21,670 --> 00:27:24,870 And he'd look at me and go, well, you got to work on you. You're still rough 421 00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:25,870 around the edges. 422 00:27:26,550 --> 00:27:29,510 I was like, Roddy, shouldn't we talk about that some other time? 423 00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:32,890 And Sean shoved me at that point. 424 00:27:35,410 --> 00:27:39,350 Everybody got in a fight because everybody was not in their, you know, 425 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:41,370 frame of mind, like all the time. 426 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,180 And he tackled me in the hallway, and I didn't want to hit him once, let alone, 427 00:27:46,260 --> 00:27:47,260 you know, over and over. 428 00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:51,080 I had blood like, it looked like, you know, gutted a deer or something. 429 00:27:53,660 --> 00:28:00,600 All of my 430 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,040 success at that point was tag teams, but there was never a time in my career 431 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,060 where someone... 432 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,880 didn't say to me, like, I think you've got some talent. It was eventually going 433 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,080 to come down to me. 434 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,820 I remember the first time he told me, I want to be the world champion one day. I 435 00:28:17,820 --> 00:28:20,140 don't want to tag the rest of our career. 436 00:28:20,420 --> 00:28:23,920 I just need you to let me know when you're ready for that. Don't spring it 437 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,740 me. And he sprung it on me anyway. 438 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,000 Welcome to the barbershop, ladies and gentlemen. 439 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,240 Let's welcome them right now. 440 00:28:33,660 --> 00:28:35,020 They're the Rockers! 441 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,820 Recently, there's been a lot of controversy, a lot of rumors flying, 442 00:28:42,060 --> 00:28:44,000 Maybe you guys are going to break up. 443 00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:45,660 You've been having some problems. 444 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:51,720 I didn't become familiar with Shawn until he showed up in WWE with Marty 445 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,700 Jannetty as The Rockers. That's my first introduction to Shawn Michaels. 446 00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:58,900 See, one without the other isn't any good. 447 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,340 Oh, I knew he was going to do that. 448 00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:03,680 I just knew he was going to do that. 449 00:29:09,130 --> 00:29:13,350 I would argue the barbershop window is the greatest tag team breakup of all 450 00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:17,370 time. It is the standard bearer for turning on a friend. 451 00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:19,650 It's super good. Oh, he laid again. 452 00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:23,090 Oh, he got me back for Denver. 453 00:29:24,450 --> 00:29:26,090 Is there a problem? 454 00:29:26,530 --> 00:29:33,530 It was so effective that it makes Sean one 455 00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:35,410 of the most hated men in wrestling. 456 00:29:36,390 --> 00:29:39,510 Shawn Michaels changed forever on that day. 457 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:48,570 I have this strange thing with Marty because 458 00:29:48,570 --> 00:29:55,250 without him, so much of the good doesn't happen for me. 459 00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:58,350 But there's a ceiling on being a tag team, period. 460 00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:03,370 Whether it's called a leading man as opposed to a leading duo, it's just a 461 00:30:03,370 --> 00:30:04,370 natural evolution. 462 00:30:04,970 --> 00:30:10,230 Now everybody is going to find out what Shawn Michaels has known all along, that 463 00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:14,390 he is without a doubt the hottest thing the World Wrestling Federation has ever, 464 00:30:14,450 --> 00:30:15,990 ever laid eyes on. 465 00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:27,270 The Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels was something that Don just pretty much came 466 00:30:27,270 --> 00:30:32,610 up with. I don't think that anybody really mapped out the Heartbreak Kid. 467 00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:47,970 It was allowing me a vehicle to let this other person out. 468 00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:53,010 To get out there in front of a bunch of people and you can just be somebody 469 00:30:53,010 --> 00:30:54,010 you've never been. 470 00:30:55,670 --> 00:30:59,970 No, I don't know where all that came from. I really don't. He figured Tom 471 00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:01,470 Michaels could do whatever he wanted to. 472 00:31:02,110 --> 00:31:06,830 What, an alter ego? Maybe. The Kentucky Waterfall mullet alone. 473 00:31:07,290 --> 00:31:09,470 Probably one of the greatest mullets of all time. 474 00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:10,689 He is arrogant. 475 00:31:10,690 --> 00:31:12,430 He's cocky. The dangling earrings. 476 00:31:12,910 --> 00:31:14,290 The village people outfit. 477 00:31:14,750 --> 00:31:16,110 Your girlfriend wants him. 478 00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:20,190 You're going to go over and kick his ass. But maybe he's going to kick yours 479 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:21,190 take her anyway. 480 00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:22,850 And that's where his heat was. 481 00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:24,450 I was a pretty kid. 482 00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:25,890 I was a pretty man. 483 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:27,630 I don't mind telling you at one time. 484 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,540 Could play the part of Mr. 485 00:31:30,020 --> 00:31:32,700 Confident and everything else and could do everything under the sun. 486 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,920 Couldn't do a lick. 487 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:40,280 Elvis and Freddie Mercury were on stage. They were so freaking positive. But in 488 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,980 their lives, they struggled. 489 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,260 There was something there between me and those individuals that I could relate 490 00:31:47,260 --> 00:31:50,400 to. You're not comfortable with who you are. You're not comfortable with 491 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,620 yourself. Not knowing who I was as a human being. 492 00:31:54,010 --> 00:31:59,710 Out there, you're playing this role, but you can do it with just unbridled 493 00:31:59,710 --> 00:32:00,710 confidence. 494 00:32:00,890 --> 00:32:06,610 And you absolutely cannot do it by yourself in your own hotel room. I am a 495 00:32:06,610 --> 00:32:08,710 -performance, state -of -the -art wrestling machine. 496 00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:14,130 I think any great character will be confused between the human being and the 497 00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:19,530 character. And Sean Higginbottom kind of morphed into the heartbreak kid at all 498 00:32:19,530 --> 00:32:22,290 times. Sean is becoming a little bit more difficult. 499 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,290 And the Intercontinental title is coming to the sexiest man. 500 00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:31,930 The WWE was still the land of the giants. And there was still a lot of big 501 00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:36,490 And Shawn wanted to break through what he considered a glass ceiling of. 502 00:32:36,690 --> 00:32:39,910 I'm not six foot eight. I'm not 300 pounds. 503 00:32:40,590 --> 00:32:43,070 I want to be what I am. 504 00:32:43,370 --> 00:32:44,870 And I want to be the guy. 505 00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:47,230 When you are that talented. 506 00:32:47,740 --> 00:32:53,200 And that hell -bent on succeeding would have the chip on your shoulder of being 507 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,420 the little guy to get to where he needed to be. He had to stand his ground. He 508 00:32:56,420 --> 00:32:57,420 had to fight for what he wanted. 509 00:32:57,660 --> 00:33:02,520 I was at the very least as good or better than, you know, anybody else that 510 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,600 was sharing a locker room with. I was getting an opportunity that not many 511 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:07,740 like me were going to get. 512 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,760 We got a new intercontinental champion! 513 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:16,140 Tom made him 6 '1", but his eagle and the chip on his shoulder made him 9 '5". 514 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:24,720 By 92, 93, Intercontinental Champion at the time, we're looking for Shawn to 515 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,120 really step up and become a huge star for us. 516 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,320 One thing I did have is I wasn't scared of anything. I was the most dangerous 517 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,480 person in the world because I had nothing to lose. 518 00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:40,140 And when you are like that in a creative line of work, you are freaking 519 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:41,960 unbeatable. 520 00:33:43,580 --> 00:33:46,320 Welcome to WrestleMania 10! 521 00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:54,870 In the process of studying Shawn Michaels' matches, the one that many 522 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:59,170 back to is the infamous ladder match, the match that Shawn Michaels and Razor 523 00:33:59,170 --> 00:34:01,170 Ramon made famous at WrestleMania X. 524 00:34:01,390 --> 00:34:03,190 We are making history here. 525 00:34:03,490 --> 00:34:08,090 So right before WrestleMania X leading up, there was a suspension with Shawn 526 00:34:08,090 --> 00:34:12,030 where Shawn had been out of the company for a while. Shawn left as the 527 00:34:12,030 --> 00:34:13,090 Intercontinental Champion. 528 00:34:13,590 --> 00:34:16,070 Yeah, he failed a drug test for roids. 529 00:34:16,650 --> 00:34:19,989 At that time, brother, pills were being passed around in bars. 530 00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:22,850 Like, guys would go, here, man, Canadian virus, here, take this. 531 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:27,710 Sean did not feel that he should have been suspended, was pissed off. 532 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:31,889 Vince didn't want to put up with him, thought he was an out -of -control 533 00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:37,230 egomaniac. And they tell Sean to send the bell back, and he says, no, I'm not 534 00:34:37,230 --> 00:34:38,230 sending it back. 535 00:34:38,610 --> 00:34:42,370 Sean decides he wants to come back, but Razor's their Continental Champion. 536 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:47,440 Take both championship belts, hang them above the ring. You fight to climb the 537 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,760 ladder. Whoever gets championships above the ring, that's your true champion. 538 00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:55,679 But two intercontinental championship belts hanging from above. 539 00:34:55,940 --> 00:35:00,700 For the following contest, there are no rules. 540 00:35:01,740 --> 00:35:03,220 Put the ladder in. 541 00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:07,220 The most. 542 00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:14,740 barbaric, insane car crash excitement you've ever seen. 543 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:22,880 I was able to have a presence that I don't think they knew that I 544 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,300 had. It isn't about size, it is about presence. 545 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:36,300 Sean actually lost the match, but it put Sean in a different level that... 546 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:40,340 People believed this little bastard could do anything. 547 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:50,320 If you didn't before or you didn't want to believe, Sean made you 548 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:51,320 believe. 549 00:35:59,210 --> 00:36:01,150 She closed it, just dropped it to the side. 550 00:36:01,430 --> 00:36:05,610 Boom, and then she said, okay, mister, here we go. I don't know, just throw it 551 00:36:05,610 --> 00:36:06,408 out there. 552 00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:10,730 This weekend we have one of our bigger events, five -man ladder match. 553 00:36:11,470 --> 00:36:13,330 Someone will be holding that right there. 554 00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:17,890 Many, many years ago, it was just two of us and one ladder. 555 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:21,350 And now these young men and women have taken it to a whole other level. 556 00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:27,870 I always dreamed of being in a ladder match, obviously, because of Sean and 557 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:28,870 Razor. 558 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Ladder matches are about crazy stunts, big balls, the car crash coming to life. 559 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,300 He is the fate of the ladder match. And to have him kind of help us out, have 560 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:42,340 him kind of watch over us, you can't dream it up. 561 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:43,660 It's perfect. 562 00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:45,180 I 563 00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:52,180 met 564 00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:57,680 him in the locker room in 1993 and wanted to know if I would be interested 565 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:58,900 becoming his bodyguard. 566 00:36:59,470 --> 00:37:04,230 And the first thing out of Shawn's mouth is, just so you know, everybody hates 567 00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:05,230 us. 568 00:37:05,470 --> 00:37:10,910 The bodyguard position was 24 -7. It wasn't just on television persona. 569 00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:13,270 He had a lot of people who didn't like him. 570 00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:18,830 Shawn Michaels was misunderstood all throughout his career. There was a 571 00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:23,070 perception that he was, frankly, Shawn was selfish. 572 00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:27,510 Shawn did have an out -of -control ego. And Shawn did feel he was better than 573 00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:28,510 everybody else. 574 00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:34,470 To be successful and to take it to the next level, you have to start looking 575 00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:35,169 for yourself. 576 00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:36,430 It's not a team sport. 577 00:37:37,290 --> 00:37:43,530 The one thing that was the saving grace for Shawn was he was so good in the 578 00:37:43,530 --> 00:37:48,350 ring. As a performer, if you work with a guy that makes you look that good, I 579 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,450 don't care what you think of him, you want to work with him. 580 00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:57,090 Shawn Michaels, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, 1 -2 -3 Kid, and then Paul Levesque, 581 00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:58,190 Triple H. 582 00:37:58,230 --> 00:38:04,430 These were guys that loved hanging out together, and hence the clique began to 583 00:38:04,430 --> 00:38:05,430 form. 584 00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:11,450 We all just hit it off. What we did was talk nonstop about the business, and we 585 00:38:11,450 --> 00:38:15,690 were all just so passionate about it. The perception was that the clique was 586 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:19,810 -knowing and all -powerful, and that if you crossed the clique, they'll just go 587 00:38:19,810 --> 00:38:21,250 to Vince and you'll be blackballed. 588 00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:25,870 They couldn't call any of the shots, but I listened, and they had some really 589 00:38:25,870 --> 00:38:26,859 good ideas. 590 00:38:26,860 --> 00:38:30,940 Really smart individually, and Sean was very smart when he was sober. 591 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:37,380 Sean had an attitude when he drank even more so, on top of pills. 592 00:38:37,700 --> 00:38:40,880 And Sean was the wrong thing at the wrong time. 593 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:47,240 And he was protected in the WB environment, but outside of the 594 00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:52,980 Sean Michaels, British Bulldog, 1 -2 -3 kid, walked into a bar. 595 00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:55,900 Me, Scott, and Kev were in Europe. 596 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,240 is where we find out that this all happened. 597 00:38:58,540 --> 00:39:00,820 A bunch of Marines in a tough bar. 598 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,960 Every eye in that place turns to the three wrestlers that just walked in the 599 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,320 door, of which Sean is the megastar. 600 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,400 Every girl in that place starts to look at Sean. 601 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,980 Sean is very enamored with that. And Sean is at this point in his life like, 602 00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:16,200 what are you looking at? 603 00:39:16,580 --> 00:39:17,620 A problem jarhead? 604 00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:22,340 They go to walk out. Six Marines walk out, beat the out of Sean and leave him 605 00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:23,440 the side of the car. 606 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,700 And the last thing I can remember is, you know, there being the coat check. 607 00:39:28,700 --> 00:39:31,400 next thing is waking up in the hospital. 608 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:35,380 And everything else is a complete blank. 609 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,920 That was four days out of a seven -day week. 610 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,080 Situations like that. 611 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,980 Getting beat up by nine guys in Syracuse, to me, there's not a whole lot 612 00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:45,678 shame in. 613 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,680 You know, that kind of stuff just sort of happens to me. I've got two choices. 614 00:39:49,980 --> 00:39:52,720 Sit home and cry or to come out and be a pain. 615 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,000 I've got news for you, folks. 616 00:39:54,730 --> 00:39:58,850 I'm all tied up. His moment of existence was the 20 minutes in the ring every 617 00:39:58,850 --> 00:40:02,910 night. He wouldn't be messed up. He'd go in there and he'd kill it every night. 618 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:07,790 And then the second he was done, I'm in pain. 619 00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:12,290 And I took some stuff, so I wouldn't be in pain this morning, but I'm not messed 620 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:15,490 up. Why would you hang out with this misery 24 -7? No, it's not. 621 00:40:15,710 --> 00:40:20,730 It's, again, like your brother. It's like a family member. Sean owes his life 622 00:40:20,730 --> 00:40:23,050 Triple H. Call him back. He owes his life to him. 623 00:40:24,270 --> 00:40:30,930 Shawn Michaels knows that the greatest match of his life must come this Sunday 624 00:40:30,930 --> 00:40:36,170 night. By the time you get to the mid -90s, Bret Hart has become a crowd 625 00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:40,750 favorite. Bret is a very soft -spoken, quiet Canadian gentleman. 626 00:40:41,130 --> 00:40:44,950 Shawn is an outspoken, loud, brash American. 627 00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:49,130 Only one person can be the absolute alpha dog. 628 00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:52,510 The Iron Man match, the boyhood dream, realize. 629 00:40:53,290 --> 00:40:56,990 it added another layer to the Shawn Michaels character. 630 00:40:57,450 --> 00:41:02,550 The Iron Man match, the opportunity where I get to, you know, get my first 631 00:41:02,550 --> 00:41:05,810 championship. There's only one heartbreak kick! 632 00:41:06,810 --> 00:41:08,810 Unbelievable! What a ride! 633 00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:11,590 An hour -long match. 634 00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:14,930 It's going to be a long night at the office in wrestling terms. 635 00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:18,650 For the World Wrestling Federation Championship! 636 00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:21,050 We started to have our issues. 637 00:41:21,850 --> 00:41:24,470 You know, I was never big on the click idea. 638 00:41:24,910 --> 00:41:27,010 It was a testy match in a lot of ways. 639 00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:34,610 There's a famous part where I jump off the second rope. 640 00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:40,250 He comes up and kicks me in the face as hard as he could. I mean, he almost 641 00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:41,250 knocked me out. 642 00:41:41,790 --> 00:41:44,370 We skipped each other a lot of times in that match. 643 00:41:58,070 --> 00:42:03,310 Boyhood dreams come true because that was John's boyhood dream. It was, and 644 00:42:03,310 --> 00:42:05,090 that's exactly what happened. 645 00:42:05,490 --> 00:42:07,790 It was a very big moment for my career. 646 00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:11,750 It's like, oh, it's the first world championship, and you go like, oh, I 647 00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:12,609 it being different. 648 00:42:12,610 --> 00:42:15,170 I wasn't at a good place and all that kind of stuff. 649 00:42:15,450 --> 00:42:19,390 There's a lot of responsibility that goes with that. Now every guy in that 650 00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:23,610 locker room, their well -being, their life, their livelihood and all that 651 00:42:23,610 --> 00:42:26,750 depends on the job that you do. 652 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:29,220 You know, it all falls on your shoulders. 653 00:42:29,460 --> 00:42:30,860 The whole thing was uncomfortable. 654 00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:35,600 We got into 1996. 655 00:42:35,860 --> 00:42:42,600 Ted Turner, who owned WCW, our competitors, was being very aggressive 656 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:49,400 quest for new talent. Scott Hall and Kevin Nash, they were going to leave 657 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,300 and go to Ted Turner's WCW. 658 00:42:52,970 --> 00:42:57,290 The last matches being in New York in Madison Square Garden. 659 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:05,650 On May 19, 1996, one of the greatest days of wrestling and my life as well. 660 00:43:05,930 --> 00:43:09,850 Me and my friend went to a house show, which was not televised. 661 00:43:10,070 --> 00:43:13,790 We would sneak in a camera, pass security, and we would film the shows. 662 00:43:14,830 --> 00:43:18,230 Sean was my hero and was my idol growing up. 663 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,880 The ending shows Shawn Michaels giving Diesel a super kick. Match is over. 664 00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:29,100 And then all of a sudden, Razor Moon comes out. Like, oh, cool. 665 00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:32,460 They start hugging, and I'm screaming like a little girl. 666 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:33,760 Oh, my God! 667 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,020 Who's this? And it turns out to be Hunter Hearst Hounsley. They all start 668 00:43:38,020 --> 00:43:40,100 hugging and, you know, obviously saying goodbye. 669 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,480 It was insane. 670 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:42,980 That night was magical. 671 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,780 The business was well protected up until then. 672 00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:54,220 And our cameras still kept going. The only camera that was there. If we were 673 00:43:54,220 --> 00:43:58,460 involved in taping the current call, it would not be talked about as much today. 674 00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:01,200 Place is going insane. 675 00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:04,820 Everybody knows everything on the inside of the business. There's no secrets. 676 00:44:05,220 --> 00:44:08,980 People in the business, they didn't like it. They thought it was the worst thing 677 00:44:08,980 --> 00:44:13,320 that happened. Here's this bad guy who we have no idea is friends with all 678 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,279 other guys. 679 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,320 It's breaking the fourth wall and just telling people everything we just did is 680 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,920 Shawn Michaels. 681 00:44:21,340 --> 00:44:25,660 Now hugging and kissing the guy that he just spent 20 minutes beating the hell 682 00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:29,100 out of. We entertained you, but now it's all over. We're really good buddies. 683 00:44:29,580 --> 00:44:30,900 Taboo in the wrestling business. 684 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,500 The tape was leaked out to a writer. 685 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,820 The tape blows up on its own. 686 00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:41,500 I had no idea it was going to happen. It was something that's never been done 687 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:42,500 before. 688 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,400 I'm watching this and going, what the hell is going on? 689 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,540 The clique was an insult to our business. 690 00:44:49,180 --> 00:44:53,600 If they had done that in the 70s, early 80s, they'd have all four fingers beat 691 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,220 out of them. They wrestled each other and they all kissed and said goodbye. 692 00:44:58,340 --> 00:44:59,660 Somebody's got to go down for it. 693 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:00,960 Kev's gone. 694 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:02,299 Scott's gone. 695 00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:03,300 Sean's the champ. 696 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:04,480 Stuff rolls downhill. 697 00:45:05,140 --> 00:45:08,160 And, uh, yeah, it all rolled on me. 698 00:45:08,830 --> 00:45:15,830 Triple H is the one that probably paid the heaviest price as far as his career 699 00:45:15,830 --> 00:45:19,710 kind of hitting a roadblock at that point. Sean didn't really pay a price. 700 00:45:20,850 --> 00:45:26,230 I was inherently selfish regardless, so I'm sure I didn't feel the, you know, 701 00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:31,050 the compassion for him as I, maybe as I should have. 702 00:45:32,490 --> 00:45:34,650 There was a bit of a shutdown on Sean. 703 00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:37,710 Businesses, it's okay, but it's not great. 704 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,380 You know, there's a lot of banter about Sean's not working as champion. 705 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:43,220 He's not drawing. 706 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,440 He's collapsing under the pressure. 707 00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:47,520 I can see him falling apart. 708 00:45:47,940 --> 00:45:49,480 Kevin and Scott are done. 709 00:45:49,740 --> 00:45:50,980 And I'm all he's got now. 710 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,400 He's a mess. 711 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,660 I felt a lot of pressure, and I didn't handle it well. 712 00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:58,620 For me, it was all about running and escaping. 713 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,140 And honestly, you know, it was running and escaping from the dude I'd become. 714 00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:07,460 Better than having to face that. I might have just taken a few of these and... 715 00:46:07,950 --> 00:46:10,710 Knocked myself out. I wouldn't pay attention to it till tomorrow. 716 00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:16,410 He'd be pilled up, passed out, put Sean on a luggage cart, roll him up to his 717 00:46:16,410 --> 00:46:20,330 room, get him undressed, dig dip out of his mouth, and put him on his side, put 718 00:46:20,330 --> 00:46:23,050 a pillow behind him so he wouldn't roll over and choke to death in his sleep, 719 00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:27,390 and set an alarm and get up every two, three hours to go check on him. And that 720 00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:28,530 was every night. 721 00:46:29,010 --> 00:46:31,050 You know, every night. 722 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:59,900 He had a drug problem for a while, a serious one, and he 723 00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:06,660 kind of fell in the hole even deeper. But it wasn't until he became champion 724 00:47:06,660 --> 00:47:08,100 that I felt that Shawn... 725 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,280 Started to question himself. 726 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,560 I called his dad, the colonel, and said, I'd like to visit. So flew down to meet 727 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,340 him, and I'm saying, you're probably not aware of this. 728 00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:24,000 Sean really has a drug problem. 729 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,700 The colonel got angry. 730 00:47:26,380 --> 00:47:28,720 He just didn't want to hear it. 731 00:47:29,740 --> 00:47:34,120 I don't know that anybody knew how to address it. Even things like rehab, my 732 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,260 parents, you know, God love them, I don't know if they knew. 733 00:47:36,990 --> 00:47:39,310 what it was that you did, except just to be worried. 734 00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:41,910 Not long after that, I tweaked my knee. 735 00:47:42,490 --> 00:47:49,030 I went to this doctor in San Antonio who doesn't know anything about wrestling. 736 00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,710 Obviously, he sees I've tore my ACL. He's like, dude, you're done. 737 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:54,870 You're not wrestling with a torn ACL. 738 00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:02,670 I know that over the last several months, I've lost a lot of things, and 739 00:48:02,670 --> 00:48:03,670 them has been my smile. 740 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:09,220 He went in the ring to announce he was retiring because he had a bad knee and 741 00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:13,720 didn't believe his knee was the issue. I always thought the issue was he didn't 742 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:17,080 want to wrestle me at WrestleMania 13 and drop the belt to me. 743 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:21,240 I doubted Shawn's integrity as far as his injury went. 744 00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:25,700 You phony little faker, why don't you take your little pussy foot injury? 745 00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,060 No, no, no. 746 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:34,300 I got accused of faking it. Brett told everybody I was faking it. 747 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,360 My excuse is drug addicts lie all the time. 748 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:43,940 A year off of the wrestling business was a year no pay. 749 00:48:44,580 --> 00:48:46,720 That's just not, that isn't feasible. 750 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,720 And they said, well, look, you can put a brace on it and wrap it up. They went 751 00:48:51,720 --> 00:48:54,520 and they got me a brace and everything else. I was like, okay, I can, you know, 752 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:55,520 I can do this. 753 00:48:56,780 --> 00:49:00,880 For the heartbreak kid, Shawn Michaels, to return to action. 754 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:05,500 This was a moment where things needed to change. 755 00:49:06,220 --> 00:49:07,420 Business was bad. 756 00:49:07,980 --> 00:49:09,400 WCW was starting to kill us. 757 00:49:09,620 --> 00:49:11,240 Put Shawn and I together on TV. 758 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,380 We will multiply each other's personalities on screen. 759 00:49:15,060 --> 00:49:16,060 Put us together. 760 00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:17,440 DX is born. 761 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:31,320 D -Generation X consisted of Sean, Triple H, and Chyna. Two goofs in Sean 762 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:36,320 Hunter that were immature and did everything that you weren't supposed to 763 00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:40,560 Sean Michaels, you're a disgrace to professional wrestling. 764 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:44,480 I saw it as inmates had taken over the asylum. 765 00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,020 I'm going to start with that degenerate right beside you in the green shirt. 766 00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:50,540 D -Generation X! Suck it! 767 00:49:52,940 --> 00:49:58,640 Yeah, I can't say I liked it. The smut and the crotch shots, it did get pretty 768 00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,440 raunchy. I don't think it was over the line. 769 00:50:01,660 --> 00:50:04,700 You know, we were getting our tail hit in the ratings. 770 00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:10,400 DX took it to the very, very tipping point of going too far. 771 00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,840 But that's what we needed. It was kind of a whole facelift for the company. 772 00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,078 They loved it. 773 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,220 Cranes are going up. Your segments are hot. 774 00:50:24,259 --> 00:50:26,140 They were the anti -authority. 775 00:50:26,340 --> 00:50:27,760 They could do anything they wanted. 776 00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:29,680 We were just trying to make each other laugh. 777 00:50:29,900 --> 00:50:32,980 Say something so stupid that people would go, oh my God, I can't believe he 778 00:50:32,980 --> 00:50:37,480 that. Your old lady is not too thrilled with your privates. 779 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,180 You would think like, okay, so everything's great backstage. 780 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,160 We're still approaching this from a place of anger. 781 00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:45,840 We know we're pissing people off and we're trying to be dicks. 782 00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:48,420 I got in trouble for a lot of stuff. 783 00:50:48,750 --> 00:50:52,930 that we all thought was funny and clearly we might have been the only 784 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:56,630 I'm going out in a blaze of glory. 785 00:50:58,610 --> 00:51:05,450 At that point, Sean's DX personality and his real personality kind of morphed. 786 00:51:05,450 --> 00:51:07,910 So Sean really never turned it off. 787 00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:13,230 This is what it's come down to. You're looking at somebody that's got no 788 00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:14,229 for anything. 789 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:16,750 There was a true animosity. 790 00:51:17,340 --> 00:51:20,600 Between Brett and Sean just spiraled completely out of control. 791 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:27,600 In the beginning, Sean and Brett were friends. And the antagonistic 792 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:33,120 relationship that they had on camera, that was all orchestrated. 793 00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:38,340 But it became personal. It became personal between Brett and Sean because 794 00:51:38,340 --> 00:51:39,340 guy would go too far. 795 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,380 I never knew enough to avoid the confrontation. 796 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,400 If something bothered Bret, I made sure that I did it. He stabbed the World 797 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,360 Wrestling Federation in the back. Why? For his financial gain. 798 00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:57,340 Instead of facing me like a man, you're too busy posing for girly magazines. 799 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,620 You know, I know you don't like me talking about you posing for Playgirl, 800 00:52:01,620 --> 00:52:02,860 you did pose for Playgirl. 801 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,840 And we finally had a fisticuff in the dressing room. 802 00:52:08,220 --> 00:52:10,740 Oh, my God, Brent Shawnee's going to do a fight and pull each other's hair out 803 00:52:10,740 --> 00:52:11,740 of the locker room. What? 804 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,980 And run over there and find Shawnee with a big chunk of hair missing on the 805 00:52:14,980 --> 00:52:17,820 side. He's like, what are you doing? I realize that I hate your guts. 806 00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:22,700 We had a lot of these resets and talks, and we would always end up offending 807 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:24,640 each other quickly right after that. 808 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:44,880 Brett is the champion, but Brett's on his way to WCW. 809 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:51,560 And he doesn't want to drop the title to Sean. But they couldn't let Brett leave 810 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,760 with the title and then show up on WCW TV the next night. 811 00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:56,980 Who's going to win? 812 00:52:59,100 --> 00:53:00,100 I don't know. 813 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,980 Brett thought the match was going to go one way. 814 00:53:03,580 --> 00:53:06,780 Sean and Vince McMahon come up with a different plan. 815 00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:09,380 Brett doesn't know about the plan. 816 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,700 We're being told by Vince, like, this goes to your grave. 817 00:53:14,580 --> 00:53:17,720 This is high -level espionage, man. 818 00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:19,680 Nobody ever knows this. 819 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,100 It's kind of what's best for business. 820 00:53:23,140 --> 00:53:27,320 The whole thing was uncomfortable. 821 00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:31,560 I was out there, you know, being Judas. 822 00:53:37,580 --> 00:53:43,380 They had created a spot where Sean was going to put Brett's move, which is a 823 00:53:43,380 --> 00:53:46,060 submission hold, the sharpshooter, on Brett. 824 00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:47,460 Look at this! 825 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:49,320 Oh, you're kidding me. 826 00:53:49,860 --> 00:53:54,320 It's definitely one of the most fabled stories in our industry, the Montreal 827 00:53:54,320 --> 00:54:01,140 Screwjob. Just minutes into that match, not one person on planet Earth 828 00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:03,340 thinks the match is going to end. 829 00:54:13,290 --> 00:54:18,970 So when all of a sudden the bell rings, there's complete confusion as to why the 830 00:54:18,970 --> 00:54:19,970 match has ended. 831 00:54:21,250 --> 00:54:26,110 He said Brett submitted, which didn't happen. 832 00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:33,710 It was basically a hit to make sure that they got the title off of Brett. 833 00:54:36,670 --> 00:54:39,330 I could see Vince yell at him to ring the bell. 834 00:54:42,009 --> 00:54:43,370 Like they're trying to screw me now. 835 00:54:44,910 --> 00:54:45,270 I 836 00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:53,190 didn't 837 00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:56,650 know Vince was coming out. I think he just felt like maybe if he was out 838 00:54:56,670 --> 00:55:00,770 he might get some heat off me, thus making my denial plausible. 839 00:55:10,620 --> 00:55:12,320 Vincent, I want to take the heat for this. 840 00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,940 I don't want anyone to think you had anything to do with it. 841 00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:22,120 I took the heat. I didn't want anyone to know that Sean was 842 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:23,120 involved. 843 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:27,780 Brad comes over and knocks Deej. One punch. 844 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,300 And knocked him out cold. Went straight down on his back. 845 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:33,520 Out cold. 846 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,740 And after I knocked Vince out, Sean was crying. 847 00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:42,270 Sean sat on the bench and was crying. 848 00:55:42,850 --> 00:55:46,510 Even though I didn't feel like I did anything wrong that night, you're still 849 00:55:46,510 --> 00:55:49,410 carrying a burden by not coming clean with that. 850 00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:50,890 You just say, yes, I do. 851 00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:56,270 Vince asked Sean to do something for everyone in this company. 852 00:55:56,670 --> 00:56:02,910 Who else would have had the balls, the guts, right or wrong, how many other 853 00:56:02,910 --> 00:56:03,910 people would have done it? 854 00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:12,630 I remember going to his house in San Antonio, and I'm driving my minivan down 855 00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:17,050 there. I've got my wife and three kids at home, and I pull into his gorgeous 856 00:56:17,050 --> 00:56:21,810 home. I don't have 20 bucks in my pocket. And I'll never forget, he put 857 00:56:21,810 --> 00:56:26,490 out like this, and he just looked up and he goes, you could have had all this. 858 00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:32,030 But I realized, you know, somewhere along the way that I saw him lose so 859 00:56:32,070 --> 00:56:35,630 He got into drugs, and there was some really bad side effects to his fame. 860 00:56:36,350 --> 00:56:37,370 I looked at Kenny. 861 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:43,300 A lot of times I'm having a wife and a family and just been as happy as can be. 862 00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:49,000 And I've always looked at and admired and thought it was pretty enviable to 863 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,000 have. But when my line of work, it was always wondering, can you have both? Or 864 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,260 is that not possible? 865 00:56:56,860 --> 00:56:58,040 They don't mix. 866 00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:07,060 The following contest is a casket match. 867 00:57:07,770 --> 00:57:11,750 for the World Wrestling Federation in the end zone. 868 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:17,670 This casket match is the Undertaker's specialty. 869 00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:23,890 The object of a casket match is to beat your opponent down far enough that you 870 00:57:23,890 --> 00:57:28,150 can throw them into the casket or coffin and shut the lid. And if you do that, 871 00:57:28,270 --> 00:57:29,790 you win the match. 872 00:57:30,930 --> 00:57:36,150 Somewhere through the course of that match, I threw him over this giant. 873 00:57:42,839 --> 00:57:46,100 I wanted to clear it and go to the floor. 874 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,580 And I just didn't quite get far enough. And bam, I just hit their corner. 875 00:57:51,060 --> 00:57:54,080 But I didn't really think much about it. You know, you still finish the night. 876 00:57:56,260 --> 00:58:03,200 The next day, I just remember getting 877 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,200 up like, ah. 878 00:58:04,540 --> 00:58:06,500 You know, waking up and not being able to move. 879 00:58:08,260 --> 00:58:12,340 First time I recall being in that much pain, we do all the x -rays. 880 00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:17,520 Apparently, I blew the disc, and that kind of stuff, that needed to be fused. 881 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:21,020 Doctor says, you can't be wrestling after that. 882 00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:28,340 He said, I'm never going to wrestle again, yada, yada, yada. I said, nobody 883 00:58:28,340 --> 00:58:31,500 tells me what to do, so we're going to WrestleMania with Steve. 884 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:40,100 So you give me enough drugs, all right, to let's do whatever we can to get me to 885 00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:41,100 WrestleMania. 886 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:48,000 Getting Shawn to WrestleMania was a battle. He had a bad back. He was 887 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:49,980 heavily medicated. 888 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,580 He is the World Wrestling Federation champion, the man who will defend his 889 00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:57,900 against Stone Cold. But Mike Tyson is the enforcer here, ladies and gentlemen, 890 00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,040 Shawn Michaels. 891 00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,760 I choose to make an ass out of it. 892 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,560 Toughest SOB. I can do that any time I want. 893 00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:15,880 I was going to have to talk myself up and drop the belt to Steve, and then I 894 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,440 guess I'll let my career be over. 895 00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:21,759 He was bitter. 896 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:25,940 It had nothing to do with him losing. It had to do with being replaced. 897 00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,000 He never had his moment. He never had his run. 898 00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:30,380 I'm still the greatest. 899 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:31,840 Now it's his run. 900 00:59:32,350 --> 00:59:33,350 What do I do? 901 00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:34,850 I'm the backup guy? 902 00:59:35,250 --> 00:59:38,650 One of the most messed up things I ever heard Sean say in his life is, I should 903 00:59:38,650 --> 00:59:42,010 have taken so many pills I died after WrestleMania X. I'd have been the 904 00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:43,010 star of all time. 905 00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:44,670 I've been Elvis. 906 00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:48,430 It's hopelessness, and certainly that's where I was. 907 00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:55,350 I am not just, you know, a drug addict. I'm an angry one. And I mean angrier 908 00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:56,350 than ever. 909 00:59:56,610 --> 00:59:58,750 At that time in my life, that's all I had. 910 00:59:59,590 --> 01:00:03,070 I identified who I was with what I was doing in that ring. 911 01:00:03,370 --> 01:00:06,610 And without it, I wouldn't have known what to do with my life. 912 01:00:08,830 --> 01:00:12,170 On the day of WrestleMania 14, we barely talked. 913 01:00:12,450 --> 01:00:14,690 You know, he didn't feel like doing business with me. 914 01:00:14,950 --> 01:00:18,250 Triple H was the conduit between most of it. 915 01:00:18,910 --> 01:00:20,010 He was pissed. 916 01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:24,050 He wasn't about to talk to Steve about this match. I helped him put it together 917 01:00:24,050 --> 01:00:27,690 by going from room to room, and it was just so difficult to do. 918 01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,080 It was difficult. I remember that day. 919 01:00:30,820 --> 01:00:33,840 I'm thinking, I don't know what Shawn's going to do. 920 01:00:35,020 --> 01:00:36,560 He's retiring, Joe. 921 01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:38,940 This could be his final screw you. 922 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:45,040 Nobody has ever, ever outperformed Shawn Michaels in a big match situation. 923 01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:47,140 I'm not in great shape. 924 01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:51,420 My back was pretty bad being in that much pain. 925 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:53,940 Got the cortisone shots and stuff like that. 926 01:00:57,180 --> 01:00:59,440 I feel like I'm putting him over. That's good enough. 927 01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,600 Sean's always a troublemaker. He always wants to get in your face, talk. 928 01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:14,100 Even when he's on your team, he just talks. 929 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,040 He's an irritant. That's what he is. 930 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,040 Sean had sour grapes. 931 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,480 It was kind of a close blow because Sean was pretty much out for a little while. 932 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,440 Tyson takes the Austin 316 shirt and lays it across Sean's chest. 933 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,280 This was adding insult to injury, and this was rubbing salt in a wound. I 934 01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:43,280 have been pissed too. 935 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:49,960 Not exactly the screw job, but it was them getting the last laugh as far as, 936 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,600 know, you know, good little prick, you put us through hell this week, but we're 937 01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:54,980 at least going to get you going out the door. 938 01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:59,240 The new World Wrestling Federation champion, Stone Cold Steve Austin. 939 01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:06,240 He was going to that press conference to just let everybody know, I'm pissed 940 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,780 off. He walked in the door and he yelled some stuff. 941 01:02:10,580 --> 01:02:16,820 Oh yeah, it's selfish and it's stupid, but you know, that's where he was at 942 01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:17,820 time. 943 01:02:18,180 --> 01:02:24,080 Sean is suffering from ruptured disc as we speak and will not participate at 944 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:25,080 this press conference. 945 01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:30,870 Nonetheless, he participated in the arena in an extraordinary way, and there 946 01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:35,310 no athlete in the world that can say they can do what Shawn Michaels does. 947 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:49,550 I got on the plane the next morning and went home and began to, I don't know, 948 01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:51,550 let it all sort of sink in. 949 01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:54,310 It takes some time before... 950 01:02:54,730 --> 01:03:00,470 It goes from being time off to the reality of how exactly is the rest of 951 01:03:00,470 --> 01:03:03,290 life going to go when you're done at 33. 952 01:03:04,810 --> 01:03:06,950 Okay, see if we can get one done here. 953 01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:12,830 All they knew at the time was stuff like that you don't recover from. People 954 01:03:12,830 --> 01:03:14,430 don't get back in the ring and wrestle again. 955 01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:20,550 The thing is, I can't keep coming out here week after week after week, going 956 01:03:20,550 --> 01:03:23,430 back and forth with all this. I've got to get busy with my rehab. 957 01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:27,920 My physical therapy. My physical therapy for my back. 958 01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,800 Now I've got a legitimate reason to have pain pills. 959 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:36,340 And I've got a prescription and everything else. 960 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,840 I just want to be a pro wrestler. That's what I was trying to go back to. 961 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,360 So I began to start the Shawn Michaels Wrestling Academy. 962 01:03:45,700 --> 01:03:48,460 We had a couple rings. I had a little workout room. 963 01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:52,580 There were a couple guys that came through my school that went on to have 964 01:03:52,580 --> 01:03:53,580 success. 965 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,500 It was a great experience. It really was. I did it for about two and a half, 966 01:03:57,540 --> 01:03:58,540 three years. 967 01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:04,980 So I'm at home, and I'm watching TV. Then all of a sudden, it's the 968 01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:06,580 of this new nitro girl. 969 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,760 Tampa Bay girl herself, Whisper. 970 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:16,840 And she's out there with this chair, just doing this dance. 971 01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:22,700 And it's captivating. And she's absolutely the most beautiful thing I've 972 01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:23,700 seen. 973 01:04:25,810 --> 01:04:30,630 We were at a rehearsal, and one of the night show girls had mentioned to me 974 01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:35,110 a man named Shawn Michaels, a former wrestler, wanted to meet me. And that 975 01:04:35,110 --> 01:04:38,110 the first time I'd ever heard of him. I called her up. We probably talked for 976 01:04:38,110 --> 01:04:42,350 three hours on the phone each night for two weeks. Two weeks of talking and 977 01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:46,750 emailing, and then I flew out to San Antonio to see him. 978 01:04:47,010 --> 01:04:48,830 And we dated for about two weeks. 979 01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:52,290 After that, he told me he loved me. I told him I loved him. Two weeks after 980 01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:53,290 that, we got married. 981 01:04:54,350 --> 01:04:57,430 It was the Graceland Wedding Chapel. Yeah, yeah. 982 01:04:58,190 --> 01:05:00,730 You know, an Elvis impersonator walking down the aisle. 983 01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:03,710 Regrets. It was fantastic. 984 01:05:04,330 --> 01:05:06,490 It's just the greatest thing ever. 985 01:05:08,370 --> 01:05:14,390 There was one evening where my pills had kicked in, and I'm out of it. 986 01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:17,330 Sean was in tremendous pain. 987 01:05:17,530 --> 01:05:23,250 When he would take the muscle relaxers, he would usually pass out over his food. 988 01:05:24,910 --> 01:05:28,670 The very first time that Sean ever did that was when we were first married, so 989 01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:31,970 it was a bit of a shock to me. So I got him in the shower because he had spilled 990 01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:33,030 food all over his chest. 991 01:05:33,410 --> 01:05:37,490 And I would say it probably happened a couple times a week. 992 01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:43,570 The worst time, again, was when she was eight months pregnant. 993 01:05:43,950 --> 01:05:47,510 She's doing everything she can at eight months pregnant with her belly trying to 994 01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:48,870 hold me up. 995 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,660 I took pity on him, and I just prayed for him is all I could do, but it didn't 996 01:05:54,660 --> 01:05:57,760 make me think, you know, what in the world have I gotten into? If I was 997 01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:03,380 I was fearful for our unborn child, and I hoped that it would end whenever the 998 01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:05,280 baby was born, and it didn't. 999 01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:13,440 I don't remember why 1000 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,200 Sean was there. There must have been something doing something in the show. 1001 01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,840 We all go, me? 1002 01:06:19,340 --> 01:06:23,420 Taker, Rock, Vince is in the ring. I own WCW. 1003 01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:27,740 Sean is messed up, pilled up. 1004 01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,280 So this is a celebratory moment. 1005 01:06:32,060 --> 01:06:36,500 He's belligerent, loud, falling down, staggering. 1006 01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:41,580 Vince calls him in, tells him, go home, done with you. 1007 01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:43,840 Sean goes ballistic. 1008 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,660 Walks by me in the hallway, just goes off. 1009 01:06:48,330 --> 01:06:54,690 You know, I went and browbeat Hunter unfairly, obviously. And I just 1010 01:06:54,690 --> 01:07:00,170 went off back, you know, just in his face, screaming thatch back and forth, 1011 01:07:00,170 --> 01:07:01,170 he storms out. 1012 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,730 Now, that's another one that makes me cry. I went and said some mean stuff to 1013 01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:06,010 him and walked out. 1014 01:07:06,510 --> 01:07:11,790 And, you know, that sucks as well. 1015 01:07:14,010 --> 01:07:16,470 And I don't talk to him for... 1016 01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:18,390 A long time. 1017 01:07:18,530 --> 01:07:24,890 We didn't speak, I don't know, I mean, I would think at least a year, two years. 1018 01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:27,910 That was, what do they call it, the rock bottom. 1019 01:07:32,970 --> 01:07:39,750 Our son was at the age to where he was, you know, 1020 01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:44,290 walking around more aware of things, and it was the night when Sean had fallen 1021 01:07:44,290 --> 01:07:46,010 asleep on the couch, drug -induced. 1022 01:07:46,220 --> 01:07:50,840 sleep with our son climbing all over him and saying daddy's asleep to me the 1023 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:56,580 biggest thing again was cameron saying daddy's tired and it's sort of dawning 1024 01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:03,340 me that he was now being able to recognize clearly my state of mind went 1025 01:08:03,340 --> 01:08:08,360 into the bathroom and closed the door looking at yourself in the mirror and 1026 01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:14,330 know i sat there and cried like a baby and wept you know of realizing that you 1027 01:08:14,330 --> 01:08:19,490 are failing a, you know, a two -year -old little boy. And all of those things 1028 01:08:19,490 --> 01:08:25,149 sort of came crashing down that night. And I just, it's the first time I ever 1029 01:08:25,149 --> 01:08:28,050 fail like such a frickin' failure. 1030 01:08:28,410 --> 01:08:32,029 I think that that was the last straw for him. And when he woke up the next 1031 01:08:32,029 --> 01:08:36,649 morning, he told me that he was never taking pills or drinking again. And from 1032 01:08:36,649 --> 01:08:37,649 that point, he didn't. 1033 01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:41,170 It was an instantaneous letting go of the drugs and alcohol. 1034 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:45,359 I just called him up out of the clear blue. I just asked him when the last 1035 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:46,359 he talked to Paul. 1036 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,420 And he just avoided that situation. 1037 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,479 I just said, man, you're wrong. You got to call him. 1038 01:08:56,819 --> 01:09:02,920 I called Hunter and let him know how sorry I was and how out of line I was. 1039 01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:04,479 I said, I hope you can forgive me. 1040 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,319 I needed that from Hunter. 1041 01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:08,580 For me, it was easy. I didn't. 1042 01:09:09,899 --> 01:09:11,580 As long as the one with the drug is talking to me. 1043 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:19,840 Of course I do regret the pain that it caused people in 1044 01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:25,939 my life. There is a part of that that I don't think that Michael Shaw and 1045 01:09:25,939 --> 01:09:32,140 Hickenbottom can get to where he got creatively without a little bit of that 1046 01:09:32,140 --> 01:09:34,700 reckless, risky mindset. 1047 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,160 I wouldn't have had the guts to do it. 1048 01:09:39,370 --> 01:09:43,350 It was our first Christmas together, and I gave Sean a Bible and some other 1049 01:09:43,350 --> 01:09:44,790 books, and he began reading them. 1050 01:09:45,569 --> 01:09:50,490 I had never had anything that I could grasp that was bigger than the wrestling 1051 01:09:50,490 --> 01:09:54,890 business. That's just not enough to base, I don't know, a life on. 1052 01:09:56,110 --> 01:10:00,830 I worked at Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. All of a sudden I heard 1053 01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:04,270 deep voice that said, I want to come to a Bible study. 1054 01:10:04,750 --> 01:10:07,170 And then I got up from my desk and... 1055 01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:10,860 Took my head out the door, and I said, well, you can come to mine. 1056 01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:14,380 When he left, everybody came out to him. He said, do you know who that was? I 1057 01:10:14,380 --> 01:10:16,200 said, no, I don't know who that was. Who was it? 1058 01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:19,060 And he said, Shawn Michaels. I said, well, who's Shawn Michaels? 1059 01:10:22,540 --> 01:10:27,040 He said, well, first, Keith, I want you to pray for my back. He says, I've been 1060 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,180 out of wrestling, and I want to go back. 1061 01:10:29,500 --> 01:10:33,700 I said, well, it's a simple prayer that we can pray together. And while he was 1062 01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:37,310 saying that, Rare tears just come out of his eyes. 1063 01:10:38,430 --> 01:10:43,590 I got nobody to blame but me, and I don't have anything in common with the 1064 01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:44,930 dude. I don't know how it got that way. 1065 01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:47,450 It wasn't from family. It wasn't from upbringing. 1066 01:10:48,330 --> 01:10:55,050 He was so desperate to get back in a close relationship with Rebecca and his 1067 01:10:55,050 --> 01:10:59,230 son. I was now a dad. I was a husband, and I was... 1068 01:11:00,180 --> 01:11:05,760 Really devoted and thrilled about that. You're like a child. You just want to 1069 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,120 tell everybody, I've been saved. 1070 01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:18,960 Once Sean got his life together and found Christ, it was night and day. When 1071 01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:21,800 looks back at his life, that's the biggest thing that he ever did. 1072 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,940 You were dealing with a grown -up when Sean came back. 1073 01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:27,470 someone who was there to do business. 1074 01:11:27,690 --> 01:11:30,590 Sean was a lot calmer and much easier to deal with. 1075 01:11:31,330 --> 01:11:35,650 Sean Michaels of old is very different from Sean Hickenbottom, the man I 1076 01:11:35,650 --> 01:11:39,890 married. The sexy boy and all that kind of stuff and his cocky attitude and that 1077 01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:45,330 cocky little smile that he does. And that's so far from who he really is. 1078 01:11:45,790 --> 01:11:49,870 I remember somebody asking me, they said, you know, hey, I heard Sean found 1079 01:11:49,870 --> 01:11:53,070 religion. Yeah, they laughed. And I said, well. 1080 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,780 I don't know anybody that died ODing on religion. 1081 01:11:57,020 --> 01:11:58,640 He had called Triple H. 1082 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:05,200 He thanked Hunter for the time on the road, because before his marriage to me, 1083 01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:06,900 the one that took care of him was Hunter. 1084 01:12:08,660 --> 01:12:13,280 That night, after Sean had gone to bed, he woke up in the morning, and the pain 1085 01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,280 was gone in his back. 1086 01:12:14,940 --> 01:12:16,100 It was definitely a miracle. 1087 01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:21,020 So he was physically ready to go back in the ring, and I knew that the Lord 1088 01:12:21,020 --> 01:12:22,020 would take care of him. 1089 01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,240 We were kind of having a conversation at the time, and then he said, he was 1090 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,880 like, I want my son to see me do this one time. He said, I don't know that I 1091 01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:34,860 do it. I don't know physically if I can or not. And he said, if I'm going to, I 1092 01:12:34,860 --> 01:12:35,900 only trust one person. 1093 01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:40,620 If you consider it, I would love to do it. 1094 01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:41,920 What do you think? 1095 01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:51,040 Moments away from the non -sanctioned fight between two men who are at one 1096 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,700 best friends, Shawn Michaels and Triple H. 1097 01:12:54,110 --> 01:13:00,410 John Michael's last wrestle, 1 ,609 days ago, if you can believe that. 1098 01:13:01,710 --> 01:13:03,210 The whole family was there. 1099 01:13:03,790 --> 01:13:05,490 They were all scared to death. 1100 01:13:06,050 --> 01:13:07,490 Got a ring, did a couple of things. 1101 01:13:09,490 --> 01:13:12,450 Never met the beat, not a moment, not an anything. 1102 01:13:13,410 --> 01:13:16,830 I was on my chair like a redneck, just screaming and yelling for him. Of 1103 01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:17,830 I cried at the end. 1104 01:13:18,030 --> 01:13:22,450 Like, how is it possible that he is this good still? 1105 01:13:23,180 --> 01:13:27,500 After all that time and injury and everything else, unbelievable. 1106 01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:34,400 It was just as easy as the day is long. It was poetic. It was phenomenal. 1107 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,600 It was everything that is right and good about the world and this line of work. 1108 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,080 And, you know, my family there, out there with my best friend. 1109 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:56,120 Summerslam, that's when there was a sense of peace and joy in the midst of 1110 01:13:56,120 --> 01:14:00,720 your job and your family and combining these two worlds that I've never had 1111 01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:07,000 together. And I'm not even the same person. And it all feels so right. It's 1112 01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,940 good as it gets. It's heaven on earth here in this world. 1113 01:14:10,580 --> 01:14:16,480 Shawn Michaels changed completely as a human being. And somehow, as a 1114 01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:18,540 he managed to keep... 1115 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:24,380 a lot of the aura that he always had. I could argue that Sean was at his best 1116 01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:26,360 after he came back. 1117 01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:36,060 To me, he's the greatest in -ring performer of 1118 01:14:36,060 --> 01:14:37,360 all time. 1119 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:45,940 It gets more difficult to find a new mountain, a new challenge. 1120 01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:50,320 Sometimes that new mountain or that new challenge just isn't there. And so later 1121 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,720 on in my career, I learned that when I disconnect from it, something will 1122 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,940 usually happen. You know, the one with the player is obviously the one I always 1123 01:14:57,940 --> 01:14:59,220 speak of. 1124 01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,220 Remember the story of Old Yeller? 1125 01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:07,740 The showstopper's going to take you, Old Yeller, behind the woodshed and 1126 01:15:07,740 --> 01:15:10,080 put you out of your misery. 1127 01:15:10,860 --> 01:15:12,840 I lost myself in that drama. 1128 01:15:14,580 --> 01:15:18,280 I get a call from my buddy Kenny, who's now been made aware of the match. Like, 1129 01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,960 oh, my goodness. He said, can you believe it? 1130 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:24,980 It was overwhelming to think that the guy that we idolized, that we would 1131 01:15:24,980 --> 01:15:29,660 on a little TV box in San Antonio, Texas, somehow their lives were going to 1132 01:15:29,660 --> 01:15:33,820 interconnect. Rick was his guy. He absolutely loved Rick Flair. 1133 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,100 Kenny took me back to that time. 1134 01:15:39,850 --> 01:15:45,630 This was why I went from New York to Orlando, was to see this moment. 1135 01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:52,990 Now in this match, should Ric Flair lose, he must retire. 1136 01:15:53,390 --> 01:15:57,750 I remember feeling like the way Ric Flair started this match, that he had a 1137 01:15:57,750 --> 01:15:58,750 chance. 1138 01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:04,670 There's no other way to put it. He carried me. 1139 01:16:05,210 --> 01:16:08,310 He gave everything that anybody could ever give. 1140 01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:11,840 To imagine that. Oh, wait a minute. Wait a minute. 1141 01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:13,920 Look out! Get straight! 1142 01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:17,120 No! Not again! 1143 01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:21,940 It becomes clear that Ric Flair just doesn't have enough. 1144 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,960 I love this part. And I could tear up talking about it. Flair, like an old 1145 01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:28,180 still fighting. 1146 01:16:28,420 --> 01:16:30,180 He thinks he still has it. 1147 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,300 And that's when Sean sort of has to have that moment where he says, I'm sorry. 1148 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:36,680 I love you. 1149 01:16:36,910 --> 01:16:40,790 Ric Flair wants to fight. And just turns the lights out. 1150 01:16:41,230 --> 01:16:47,550 It was as beautiful and perfect an ending to a wrestling match as you will 1151 01:16:47,550 --> 01:16:48,550 have. 1152 01:16:48,910 --> 01:16:50,170 You know, I didn't want to go. 1153 01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:52,450 And yes, I love you. 1154 01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:56,030 It's a great moment of wrestling. I don't care what anybody says. 1155 01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:58,350 You can't replace something like that. 1156 01:16:59,830 --> 01:17:05,150 I'm ashamed that it was my love letter to the wrestling business and to Ric 1157 01:17:05,150 --> 01:17:06,150 Flair. 1158 01:17:12,650 --> 01:17:15,850 It is show day, and we're off to the shizzo. 1159 01:17:16,850 --> 01:17:19,330 I've been doing this for 35 years. 1160 01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:23,710 Days like today, it's a different kind of anxiety that I have now. I have 1161 01:17:23,710 --> 01:17:26,990 anxiety for the performers, for the entire show as a whole. 1162 01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:32,010 For me, it's just all fantastic, especially when it goes well for them 1163 01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,170 come back and they're jacked. It's ten times better than when I had that 1164 01:17:36,170 --> 01:17:40,090 opportunity. This is where I'm supposed to be. I absolutely love it. 1165 01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:47,860 What moment would you say you're most proud of? 1166 01:17:48,160 --> 01:17:51,180 And then by the same token, what moment would you say you're least proud of? 1167 01:17:51,340 --> 01:17:55,480 Most proud, I guess, would be winning the world title. And least proud would 1168 01:17:55,480 --> 01:17:57,580 probably be, you know, the Montreal incident. 1169 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,960 One is everything you aspire to do, and the other is the complete opposite. 1170 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,180 Something you really don't want to be a part of. 1171 01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,700 It's the long -term guilt. It's the shame. It's the loathing that you know 1172 01:18:10,700 --> 01:18:11,700 person has you. 1173 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:15,740 There was so much bad blood between us, and I was always like, if I see him, 1174 01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,600 I'll kill him. 1175 01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,360 I've always believed that I had so much anger that I think it led to my stroke 1176 01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:23,940 and a lot of things that I went through. 1177 01:18:24,220 --> 01:18:27,900 And then I remember thinking about Sean and how we were good friends once upon a 1178 01:18:27,900 --> 01:18:31,460 time, and, you know, that it wasn't just Sean. I was guilty, too. 1179 01:18:31,740 --> 01:18:33,940 And I remember thinking it would be good to put it to bed. 1180 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:38,560 And I've certainly talked about my regret and the hope for reconciliation. 1181 01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,240 It took him some time to get there. 1182 01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,380 Vincent suggested, there's got to be a way we can do this live in front of the 1183 01:18:45,380 --> 01:18:50,200 world. I've got 12 years of things I want to get off my chest. I want to call 1184 01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,600 back there and ask John Michaels to come out here. 1185 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:59,100 I call for truth, and I call for you to shake my hand. The fact that we did that 1186 01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:02,720 in the ring and we shook hands and all that was very honest and very sincere. 1187 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,880 You know that everybody's watching when you're trying to have this very real 1188 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,380 moment with one another. Art does imitate life. 1189 01:19:09,820 --> 01:19:11,820 He's matured, and he's a different guy. 1190 01:19:13,340 --> 01:19:16,460 And I thought he finally, you know, he's got his priorities all in order. 1191 01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:24,820 Welcome to the 25th anniversary of WrestleMania! 1192 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,200 70 ,000 WWE fans! 1193 01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,420 By the time Shawn Michaels and Undertaker meet at WrestleMania 25, 1194 01:19:36,420 --> 01:19:37,820 veterans. They've been around forever. 1195 01:19:38,490 --> 01:19:43,310 And somehow, they're actually both in their absolute prime. 1196 01:19:48,310 --> 01:19:53,330 One of my favorite entrances, Sean as the Undertaker, but in all white, 1197 01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:54,910 ascending from the cloud. 1198 01:19:56,110 --> 01:20:00,570 Such a stark contrast to what I'm about to do. 1199 01:20:02,710 --> 01:20:04,650 Battle between heaven and hell. 1200 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,820 Prior to 2002, we did not have a great relationship. 1201 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:13,720 We did not like each other outside the ring. This guy I genuinely like now. 1202 01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:18,240 And I've been years and years and years since we had worked together. 1203 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:22,680 Since the time that he injured himself in the casket match. 1204 01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,640 Unknown to us at the time, we're about to create one of the most epic things 1205 01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,040 ever done in the wrestling business. 1206 01:20:29,540 --> 01:20:30,880 There's that brash arrogant. 1207 01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,760 70 ,000 chanting HBK. The other hand. 1208 01:20:47,370 --> 01:20:50,450 You know when you're in the middle of something really special, and we did. 1209 01:20:54,750 --> 01:20:55,230 By 1210 01:20:55,230 --> 01:21:05,250 then 1211 01:21:05,250 --> 01:21:09,750 I just remember getting to Sean, and we just embraced and hugged and thanked 1212 01:21:09,750 --> 01:21:10,549 each other. 1213 01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:12,010 It was an awesome moment. 1214 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:17,000 I was on the ride home the next day, just settling into me that I just don't 1215 01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:22,960 know that I'm ever going to encounter from a performance standpoint anything 1216 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,240 greater than that thing that I experienced last night. 1217 01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:31,560 There was only one match that can be considered match of the year. 1218 01:21:31,780 --> 01:21:33,380 Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker. 1219 01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,840 Undertaker, I can beat you. 1220 01:21:42,220 --> 01:21:43,220 You and me. 1221 01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:48,240 WrestleMania one more time. 1222 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:58,040 So I remember tuning in to WrestleMania 26, but I had a knot in my stomach 1223 01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,260 knowing that if Shawn Michaels wasn't able to win this one, that he would 1224 01:22:02,260 --> 01:22:06,540 retire. But it was a beautiful, artistic way to end the career of Shawn 1225 01:22:06,540 --> 01:22:07,540 Michaels. 1226 01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,100 Career is over. 1227 01:22:22,980 --> 01:22:26,540 My heart was broken. My heart was broken. But I'm glad also that he got to 1228 01:22:26,540 --> 01:22:27,540 on his own terms. 1229 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,960 It was important that I needed to get out of there to let the fans show him 1230 01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:33,200 appreciation that he deserved. 1231 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:42,540 You have to imagine that Tom Brady and Michael Jordan, as much as they 1232 01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:46,940 appreciate the fans, I think more than anything, it's about their teammates and 1233 01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:47,980 the people that they play. 1234 01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:49,490 That means the most to them. 1235 01:22:54,910 --> 01:22:58,610 A lot of times, there's still a chasing of that last perfect one. 1236 01:22:58,850 --> 01:23:02,970 And that's why I'm so appreciative that I could define some form of finish line. 1237 01:23:04,850 --> 01:23:08,210 There's two things that I thrive on. There's two things that I'm in love 1238 01:23:08,270 --> 01:23:11,230 which is, you know, Rebecca and the kids and the wrestling business. 1239 01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:17,130 They're the two greatest loves of my life that's never changed. 1240 01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:26,420 You've probably been to more ladder matches than half the people in the ring 1241 01:23:26,420 --> 01:23:27,420 would imagine. 1242 01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:35,460 It's awesome for me to have Sean there. 1243 01:23:36,020 --> 01:23:37,300 He'll tell you what he's thinking. 1244 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:39,100 He'll tell you what I'm thinking. 1245 01:23:39,940 --> 01:23:43,000 And there's a chemistry there. We have this uncanny thing with each other. 1246 01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:47,740 Sean's a legend. 1247 01:23:48,620 --> 01:23:50,580 And for a legend to walk in, too. 1248 01:23:51,130 --> 01:23:52,910 an environment full of performers. 1249 01:23:53,210 --> 01:23:56,190 They revere him so much. 1250 01:23:56,670 --> 01:23:59,270 Welcome to NXT TakeOver! 1251 01:23:59,550 --> 01:24:02,290 There is the North American Championship. 1252 01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:04,250 Who will climb the ladder? 1253 01:24:04,610 --> 01:24:07,390 Shawn has been a role model both in and out of the ring. 1254 01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:13,270 I have so much respect for that man for not just what he's done for professional 1255 01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:14,970 wrestling, the type of person he is. 1256 01:24:16,770 --> 01:24:19,710 To me and so many others, he's the greatest. 1257 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,720 And it's insane how kind, generous, and humble the guy is. 1258 01:24:27,300 --> 01:24:32,160 Sometimes I think he doesn't realize that he's Shawn Michaels. 1259 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:44,740 When you said a tale of 1260 01:24:44,740 --> 01:24:46,680 two lives, that's what it's been. 1261 01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:52,200 Believe it or not, the same business. 1262 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:56,740 That might have almost killed me, I think, is the same business that saved 1263 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:04,820 I know I accomplished more than what I wanted. 1264 01:25:05,820 --> 01:25:10,200 I've never lost touch with a 19 -year -old dude that was hoping to have a car 1265 01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:13,420 and an apartment and be the Southwest Heavyweight Champion. 1266 01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,000 A lot more has happened since then. 1267 01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:26,060 Holy Toledo. 1268 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,000 That's like the Sean dance. 1269 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:42,320 I'm just a sexy boy. Sexy boy. 1270 01:25:43,140 --> 01:25:46,180 Oh, goodness gracious. 1271 01:25:46,660 --> 01:25:48,320 Good stuff. 116828

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