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Who is Steve Austin the man and who is
Stone Cold Steve Austin the performer?
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The difference between Stone Cold Steve
Austin the man and Stone Cold Steve
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Austin the performer is basically Stone
Cold Steve Austin is exactly that.
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I don't even know what the difference is
really.
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Steve Austin is one of the biggest
superstars in the history of the
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business because of his passion for it.
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He had this
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meteoric rise that burnt hot and fast
and
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changed an entire industry.
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Talk about your Psalms. Talk about John
3 .16.
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Austin 3 .16 says I just whipped your
ass.
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Really, this separation between Stone
Cold and Steve Austin is only a matter
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the surrounding that I'm in.
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The character was a real person.
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The look in his eyes told a real story.
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And you know why?
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Because it was a real story.
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He went from being a guy from Texas to a
pro wrestler to a pop culture icon.
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He was the defining character of a
generation.
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The disruptor of the status quo.
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The pivotal player in the complete
reimagination of the industry.
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I've been retired for so long.
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I don't miss it anymore.
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I don't crave it.
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You can never replace it. I try to say
that you can.
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But I wouldn't say there's anything
about the life I used to live on the
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that makes me yearn to go back in time
and relive those days.
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But I do what I want, what I want, right
here in this damn ring, and can't
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nobody stop me.
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The whole world knows my name is Stone
Cold Steve Austin.
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And if I'm going straight to hell,
you're damn sure coming with me.
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A storm called Steve Austin. His reign
on top was second to none.
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Steve Austin changed the way the game
was played.
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There will never, ever be anyone like
him.
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He's the man responsible for making WWE
more than we thought it could ever be.
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People gravitated a lot to the energy
that I brought to the business.
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Steve didn't have a long career being on
top, but he had that one peak that was
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like, well, no one will come close to
that.
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Stone Cold is the showbiz guy.
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Steve Austin is the regular guy. They
just happen to be rolled up in the same
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package.
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I was born in Austin, Texas, but we
didn't stay there long.
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I grew up in a little town called Edna.
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I'm proud to be from Texas. You know,
born, bred, raised.
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You know, it's tough, it's cowboy
country, and it's rugged.
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I think the reputation of Texas kind of
precedes you in the fact that you're
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from that state.
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You know, it's not a one -stop light
town, but we just have a few stoplights.
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And it's a town where everybody knows
everybody.
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We had a huge house, our yellow house.
It was on half of an acre.
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It was great growing up in a big family.
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Scott's the oldest, then Steve, then
Kevin, Jeff, and then me.
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As a kid, Steve was very shy.
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Yeah, he was shy.
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Oh, just shy enough that when we called
down to Dairy Queen to order three tacos
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or whatever.
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You know, hell, I put my sister on the
phone. Jeannie, could you order my food
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for me?
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So he's seven years old with me, and he
would literally call me into the kitchen
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and hand me the phone to Dairy Queen and
have me read off his order.
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I broke out of shyness when I found
football in junior high.
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I used athletics to help me find
confidence.
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I noticed him when he was in junior
high.
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I was the high school coach. He was a
physical specimen, I guess you'd say.
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When he started seventh grade football,
as long as I can remember, that's all he
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wanted to do was work out, eat right,
and just build his body.
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We're eating Little Debbie's and Captain
Crunch cereal, and he's over there with
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the blender with his protein stuff and
putting raw eggs in it. And I'm
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what? Who does this? You know, he does.
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I was running back, and I wasn't very
fast.
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I weighed about 205 pounds, and my line
averaged about 165 pounds, so I didn't
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have a whole lot of blocking.
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And I ran north and south because I
wasn't fast enough to run east and west,
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I ran over people.
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Straight -A student, National Honor
Society.
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Steve never drank beer or raised hell
during high school like I did.
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So every weekend, all my buddies would
come over. We're sitting on the back
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patio drinking beer, raising hell,
having a good time, and Steve would open
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his bedroom window.
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Y 'all shut the hell up. I'm trying to
sleep.
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He was popular, but he just had such
bigger dreams and goals for himself.
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He used to actually practice signing
autographs back in the day.
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We'd be in the kitchen. He'd be writing
his name different ways, trying to check
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out what's best.
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He'd ask my opinion. What are you
talking about, man? Yeah. At first, you
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I wanted to be a rock star, but I can't
sing, play any musical instruments, so
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that's out the door.
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Channel 39 presents Houston Wrestling.
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One day, my mom was in her chair reading
a Red Book magazine, and I was flipping
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channels, and I came across pro
wrestling. It was Houston wrestling. For
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reason, the lighting, the smoke -filled
arena, the rope banister around the
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ring, one of the guys was just bleeding
like a stuck pig in a ring, and it just
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resonated with me. I was like, holy cow.
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I fell in love with it that day.
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Growing up, we only got three channels
here, and Houston Wrestling was on every
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Sunday. Steve always watched it.
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If I want to watch anything else, he
says, man, you can have the TV after
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wrestling's over with. And apparently,
yeah, he told, I guess, friends and my
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brothers that he was going to be a
wrestler one day.
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He said those words.
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Well, I'll be doggone.
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You know, coming from a small town, you
don't really get noticed.
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You have to put in a whole lot of work,
and you got to kind of get yourself out
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there. And he was able to do it.
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Coming out of high school, I went to
Wharton County Junior College, and they
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offered me a full ride to North Texas
State University.
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And football at that level was more
serious.
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This is the young man we talked about.
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That was a real good play.
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Yeah, real good play by Steve. He played
very well, gotten better every game.
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I really didn't enjoy the process
anymore.
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As far as the education process goes, I
had had an absolute gutful of doing
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research papers.
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Algebra II and calculus were kicking my
ass. It just wasn't my cup of tea.
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I was through with college, and I wanted
to drop out, so I did.
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We had a connection from the athletic
department at North Texas to Watkins
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Lines. With 17 hours to go, I just said,
man, I'm out of here. Let me go work on
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a freight dock and make that $400 a
week. I love driving a forklift. I could
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pull your tooth with a forklift.
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But watch this motor line. We were 30
miles from the sport tournament in
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So, man, me and my buddies would ride
down there. We'd drink beer and throw
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stuff at the wrestlers and raise hell.
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Man, the sport tournament was the
greatest building in the world. The
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personified.
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And I'll never forget, man, we were out
there, me and my buddy Rob.
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And he's giving me the elbow.
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He goes, man, you're as big as him
because you've got to get in this. Man,
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ought to be a wrestler. I said, I'm
going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm
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going to do it. And so I'd wanted to for
a long time.
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And I'd be damned if I didn't go home a
couple days later. And I was changing
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channels. And there was that commercial
that Chris Adams put on for his
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wrestling academy.
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And I said, that's it.
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That's my way in.
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Hello everybody, this is Gentleman Chris
Adams here bringing you exciting news
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about our May 3 -day pro wrestling camp.
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You'll spend three full days working out
in the same ring that you see on your
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TV here at the world -famous
Sportatorium.
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One thing that surprised me when I
showed up that first day, I just thought
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there was going to be a bunch of
monsters in there that looked like me.
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Killers that wanted to get in the
business of pro wrestling, but they were
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regular people off the street.
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I don't know if I met Steve as much as I
saw Steve.
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I was injured during a match, so I went
up in what's known as the crow's nest,
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where family and friends could watch the
matches.
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And that happened to be the first lesson
that gentleman Chris Adams was giving
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for his new wrestling school.
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And me and a couple of guys were
laughing about how bad...
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all of the trainees were, all of them
except this one guy with long blonde
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and definite, you know, gift of
athleticism. And it was clear that he
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whatever it is, he had it right away.
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By the time he started wrestling, mid to
late 1989,
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Austin started wrestling for the USWA,
which was the United States Wrestling
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Association. So he was wrestling in
Memphis and in Texas and all points in
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between that the USWA was running.
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I rolled into Nashville, and I needed a
place to live.
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I didn't know where to go, and they
said, hey, man, try the Congress Inn out
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Dickerson Pike.
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So I rolled in there and checked in,
and, man, I didn't have no money. So
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week or whenever I had enough money, I
would pay my rent.
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Times were really, really lean, and I
didn't have a hot plate. I didn't have a
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microwave. And I remember I went to the
grocery store.
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I bought some tuna fish cans. I bought
some potatoes.
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And for breakfast, lunch, and dinner,
I'd eat tuna fish and potato.
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And, you know, after a few days, I ran
out of them.
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So for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, I'd
peel a raw potato and eat that.
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A lot of guys ended up living with
dancers, and a lot of guys knew where
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buffets were.
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Any kind of all -you -can -eat thing,
they knew where they were.
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You had to figure out a way to survive
back then.
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There was a time period there where I
actually spent nights in my car.
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I think I'd made $11 ,000 in a year and
put 10 ,000 miles on my car.
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You were barely getting by.
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And so you're paying your dues,
traveling 400 miles to make $10.
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I'm making $15 and $20 a night, making
400 -mile round trips. You can't afford
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to eat.
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I remember calling my mom, where she
called me and asked me how I was doing.
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I said, Mom, is there any way for my
birthday this year you could just send
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$40? And it's the only time I ever asked
my parents for money.
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And sure enough, a couple days later, my
mom sent me two $20 bills, and it meant
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the world to me because I could afford
to get something to eat again.
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That's part of paying your dues, and I
just figured, you know, starving or
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whatever it takes because I didn't have
a plan B.
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I wanted to be a pro wrestler, and so if
that's what it takes to be one, this is
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what I'm going to do.
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I showed up to my first match in
Memphis.
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And Dutch Mantell was the booker. I go
introduce myself to Dutch Mantell. I
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said, hey, man, I'm Steve Williams. I'm
here to wrestle.
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He goes, your name is Steve Williams?
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He goes, you can't be that here.
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There's already a Dr. Death Steve
Williams. There'd be confusion on the
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And he goes, you got 15 minutes to come
up with a name.
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And he walks away.
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And I'm just two months in the business,
new territory, don't know anybody, and
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don't know what the F to do.
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Master's about to start.
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And, you know, I'm making a life
-changing decision.
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And he goes, what did you come up with?
I said, I ain't got nothing. He goes,
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you're Steve Austin.
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And I started calling myself Stunning
Steve Austin. I had a red robe with
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sequins on it.
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All I did was wrestle, you know, go to
the gym in the morning, get in the car,
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go out somewhere, drive back. That was
life.
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I was a sponge, and I was absorbing all
this information from these great minds
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who would teach me information that they
got from generations before them.
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You watch the matches and you listen to
the crowd and put the two together and
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watch what they're doing and listen to
the soundtrack.
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Oh, that works. That doesn't work.
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A place like USWA at that point, it gave
those wrestlers an opportunity
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where even if they were only making 10,
20, 30 bucks a night, the payoff was
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maybe someone from the WWE or World
Championship Wrestling at the time might
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me. and they'll bring me up, and they'll
be my guardian angel, and suddenly I'll
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be making way more money. Well, I think
stunning Steve Austin definitely has a
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fantastic future ahead of him in this
sport.
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At that time, I was on the booking
committee at WCW World Championship
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Wrestling.
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We were all challenged and compelled to
try to find some new faces, some new
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young. athletic talents that we could
build that had potential.
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Gosh, he checked all those boxes.
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Back in the day, the standard deal for
WCW, and this is crazy, you made 75
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grand, you know, guaranteed.
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You go from getting anywhere from 20 to
60 or 100 bucks a night to 75
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,000 a year.
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It's like the motherlode.
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You know, again, this is 92, 93.
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That's a lot of money, especially coming
from where I came from.
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WCW, it was a little different level.
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Bigger television opportunities, bigger
chance for national exposure.
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Welcome back to World Championship
Wrestling, and I'm Missy Hyatt. And now
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would like to introduce stunning Steve
Austin and vivacious Veronica.
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WCW, I think it's my first appearance in
a ring.
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and Missy Hyatt's going to interview me,
and I'm walking down the aisle, and I'm
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just, I'm in another world, right?
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And I hear the announcer over the crowd
going, and from Hollywood, California.
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I'm like, man, who the fuck is that guy
talking about? I'm walking to the ring,
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stunning Steve Austin.
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I'm like, when did my Texas ass with
this accent, you know, become from
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Hollywood, California?
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World Championship Wrestling.
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So I get out there and climb in the ring
and I'm doing this interview with Missy
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Hyatt and of course I got the biggest
burger you could have hanging out of
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nose and I was like, really?
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It wasn't a great first appearance.
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Steve always had great natural
intensity.
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It wasn't prefabricated.
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It wasn't manufactured.
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It was real.
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You can see that he could tap into his
athletic background to bring a reality
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in the fight that very few other people
could match.
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He had a solid run throughout his time
in WCW. At one point, he was part of a
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tag team, the Hollywood Blondes.
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They were this young, vibrant, arrogant
tag team spitting in the wind against
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the veterans of that company at the
time.
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But he was always one of the secondary
performers in the company.
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I don't think anyone in WCW ever
visualized Steve Austin as being the
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top guy.
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I was keenly aware that there was that
upper level, and I wasn't a part of it.
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And unless something happened, you could
not break into that next tier.
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Aesthetically, I didn't have the right
look. I didn't have the right gimmick or
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persona. They didn't think I was
marketable.
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Get out of my face!
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From the land of the rising sun.
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We was over in Japan on a three -week
tour, and the third night of that tour,
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jumped off the top rope to splash a guy,
and he moved, and I tore my right
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tricep off my elbow.
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And so I wrestled for two and a half
weeks with torn tricep. And as soon as I
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get back to the United States, it's my
first major surgery.
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And I remember getting a call from Eric
Mischoff, who was running WCW at the
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time.
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And he goes, Steve, I'm just letting you
know that you're getting fired.
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And so that's how it went down. Got a
FedEx the next day, and I was out of a
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job.
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I'm sitting there trying to heal up now.
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Money's going to stop coming in.
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I got bills to pay and my family to
feed.
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I'm like, man, what am I going to do?
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In September 1995, I was the owner of
ECW and was in charge of all the
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direction. Someone from WCW buzzed me
that Steve was being let go.
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So I called Steve and I said, hey, I
heard you got fired. Right off the bat,
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phone rings. It's Paulie.
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Paul calls me. He goes, kid, he goes,
why don't you come over here and start
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working for me?
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I said.
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I said, I can't work. I said, I've got a
torn tricep. Oh, hell, kid, I'm hurt. I
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can't do anything.
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Can you talk?
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Oh, hell, kid, I can talk all day long.
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Come on up and talk.
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And I said, man, what do you want me to
talk about? He goes, just talk about how
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you feel.
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If you're pissed off, come and vent.
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Let's talk about that. I wanted that.
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authentic outrage on my television show.
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Sure enough, I am flying up to Philly.
We go to, I got named ECW Arena, which
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was a complete ho.
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ECW was, well, it was purgatory,
basically.
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Probably closer to hell than purgatory.
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ECW is Extreme Championship Wrestling,
and I dare say they earned the extreme
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moniker.
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In ECW, we were obsessed with delivering
performances that were going to
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redefine the industry.
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With doing things that had never been
done before.
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They were tables and barbed wire and
blood and guts and people flying into
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crowd.
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We took in misfits. I mean, if there was
an island for misfit wrestlers, it was
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ECW.
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I'm the new guy in the territory. What's
my mission? What's my goal? Who am I?
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What am I? You know, you're kind of
lost.
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I'll never forget that night when I cut
this promo.
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It was about seven or eight minutes
long, and I just started talking, and it
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a one -take promo, and everything I said
was how I felt.
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You know, a couple of weeks ago, when
Eric Bischoff told his secretary to tell
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her secretary...
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to leave a message on my answering
machine for me to call Eric Bischoff.
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And then I called Eric Bischoff, and he
proceeded to fire me over the phone.
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We're going to put the U .S. title on
you, and then we're going to take you
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here, and then you're the number one
contender, so then you get this world
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shot. Well, all that never happened.
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When I wrapped up that promo and they
shut off that light, everybody in that
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room started clapping.
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Standing ovation, and rightfully so.
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He was able to express himself in a way
that you just could not do or that we
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were not allowed to do in WCW.
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Man, after being held down or kind of
restrained in WCW or no one believed in
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me, I knew that I had to take chances on
myself. You could tell that he was
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energized and that he had an axe to
grind and he was grinding it really
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And a lot of people say that's kind of,
maybe that was the genesis of what Stone
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Cold would come from.
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Steve Almedia is going to run wild on
the ECW, brother. I'm not going
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to do this anywhere, not even in
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ECW.
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Well, Jim Ross was always an admirer of
Steve's talent.
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So I knew ECW was always vulnerable that
Jim Ross would recruit Steve into WWE.
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Once Steve did that interview on ECW,
Jim Ross came after him.
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And rightfully so.
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How could he not?
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I didn't realize how fast it was going
to happen.
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WWE was subsidizing ECW when Steve was
there.
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So we had our eye on him for quite some
time. At least I did.
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I just had to wait for the right place
at the right time to get him to WWE.
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So I made a phone ring, and it's a
maroon phone.
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And I pick it up.
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Hey, Mr. Mann.
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Hey, Vince, how you doing?
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Hey. I want to bring you as the
ringmaster, master of the ring.
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From a creative standpoint, the
character of the ringmaster was the best
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-ring performer and could do it all. And
to me, that was Steve Austin.
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And I'm sitting there listening to Vince
make this pitch, and I'm like,
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ringmaster?
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First of all, it sounds like shit.
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But more importantly than that, I need
more money than I'm making from ECW, and
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I ain't got no other options.
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I said, sounds good, let's do it.
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When I joined WWE, I know the territory
was down.
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Things weren't great.
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They were getting by.
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But we'd go out and, I don't know, it
seemed like a house would be like a
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quarter full.
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But I was willing to be a part of the
system, just because it's so new, it's
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big. And I'm so far low down that - I
ain't got no reason to act like a big
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because here I am as a ringmaster, a new
gimmick, a bad gimmick, and you
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don't know who and what you are.
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He's all business, man. He's not in
there trying to impress anybody with how
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good he looks or how pretty his hair is
or anything. He just wants to beat up
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people and win matches.
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This character is a stretch because I
don't know what it is or what it's
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supposed to be.
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As a ringmaster, I didn't know.
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who and what I was or how I'm supposed
to do things, so it was very confusing.
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And after a while, I just stopped
wearing a green t -shirt because they
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paying attention to me. So I'm thinking,
I don't think they really got plans for
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me.
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Vince looked at Steve, saw an average
guy, said, I don't know what to do with
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him in that accent.
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It's just, I can't relate to him.
There's nothing about him I can relate
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My initial impressions of him was he was
wasting my time.
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There was no way to go with the
ringmaster to make it marquee. I don't
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damn who was doing it. There's nothing
there.
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And I said, man, this gimmick ain't
worth a shit. And after six months or
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Vince was kind of like, I don't care
what he does. If he's not happy and he
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wants to come up with another name, let
him.
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I was living in a log cabin on 10 acres
right outside of Georgia in
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Douglasville, and I was over there in my
log cabin, and I was drinking some
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beer, and that's when they had that
special on HBO about Richard Kuklinski,
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Iceman.
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Well, Richard Kuklinski was a hitman,
you know, for the mob.
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He's cold -blooded, he's remorseless.
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I was glued to the set.
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When you're sitting there watching and
you've got a couple of beers flowing,
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it's like, shh, man, this could be
something.
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And I pitched that, and, you know, that
was when all the ideas started flowing.
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That's a tricky situation, where you're
fairly new in the company, Mr.
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McMahon has agreed to give you a
character change, and you were given a
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from Creative. The fact that I can
rattle off more of Stone Cold's names
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the terrible names that I was given
speaks to just how bad they were.
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I'd just gotten those three pages of
names, like Fang McFrost, Snowman.
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Otto Von Ruthless. Mr. Freeze.
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Ice Dagger.
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Ice Dagger. Cool Luke.
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Fang McFrost.
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Cool Cat.
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Chili McFreeze. Chili McFreeze. I mean,
some of the worst names you could ever
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imagine. Even given everything else in
the Austin package, if he's Fang McFrost
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or Chili McFreeze, we're not having this
interview right now.
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And my wife at the time made me a cup of
hot tea, and she goes, drink your tea
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before it gets stone cold.
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And she looks at me, she goes, that's
your name?
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Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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You know, I'm not a rocket scientist,
but when she said that name, I knew that
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was the one.
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And I said, okay, this is a good name.
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And I wanted it to be from Victoria,
Texas, because, you know, I just thought
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had a good ring to it, a good sound.
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But okay, now who is this guy? Who and
what is Stone Cold Steve Austin?
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I got me some black boots made.
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I always thought black was badass and
menacing from Darth Vader, Oakland
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type stuff and it fit my persona.
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I remember one time we were in
Pittsburgh and we were about to work
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and there I was with that buzz haircut
and I looked in the mirror and I said,
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man, what are you doing?
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So I buzzed it all off with a razor and
then that's when I started messing with
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the mustache and finally turned into a
goatee.
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Once I got that goatee down, that's when
things started getting a little bit
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more menacing.
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and picked up the visual that I needed.
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I believed in the character because the
character was a real person.
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Steve totally embraced the presentation
of Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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He loved it.
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He owned it. He created it.
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He was bold enough to bet on himself and
push and push and push until a big man
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almost threw his hands up and said,
okay, okay, let's go, let's try it.
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He just needs a chance.
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Give him a reason to be a main event
guy.
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1995 to 1996, Stone Cold starting to
find himself as a character, and then
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had the 1996 King of the Ring
tournament, which would take place in
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The King of the Ring is a one -night pay
-per -view.
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Wrestlers all go through this
tournament, and the winner is pretty
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earmarked to be the next great star.
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That's the message from the company.
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We're going to try and push them and
promote them and move them up behind the
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scenes. It had already been planned
Triple H was going to win King of the
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But before that, Triple H ended up
punished for this role with something
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the Curtain Call.
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Did a big no -no in the wrestling
business where all of us came together
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Madison Square Garden.
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Myself, Triple H, Kevin Nash, and Scott
Hall.
447
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:55,130
What? Oh, my God!
448
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:57,730
Oh, my God!
449
00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:03,570
We were expressing a real friendship out
there that had really nothing to do
450
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:07,890
with whatever was going on in the WWE at
the time or from a storyline
451
00:29:07,890 --> 00:29:11,030
standpoint. We were pulling the curtain
back.
452
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,040
more so than anyone wanted the curtain
being put back.
453
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:20,300
It's very frowned upon, and Triple H got
in a lot of trouble.
454
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,640
Did you know you were on the trajectory
to win King of the Ring? Oh, yeah. It
455
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:25,640
was already,
456
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,820
Vince had sat me down, talked to me
about it, here's where I want to go,
457
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:30,319
the Ring.
458
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,360
For me, that was the next level, right?
459
00:29:32,940 --> 00:29:34,860
You know, that all went away.
460
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,460
So in the pecking order, as you looked
at it, you looked at who needed that
461
00:29:39,460 --> 00:29:41,280
boost and who needed...
462
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,040
Maybe just a nudge.
463
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:44,540
Steve was the guy.
464
00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:49,320
I'm walking in the building, dragging my
suitcase behind me. I hear this voice.
465
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,400
It's Vince.
466
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:54,520
He goes, Steve, I just want to let you
know, in two weeks, you're winning King
467
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,520
of the Ring.
468
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:58,060
I was pretty happy.
469
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,820
Because, you know, when you win the King
of the Ring, you're going to get a big
470
00:30:00,820 --> 00:30:01,819
shove after that.
471
00:30:01,820 --> 00:30:03,640
And before, there were no future plans
for me.
472
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,960
I go to Milwaukee, the Mecca Arena, and
I go out there and I'm working with Mark
473
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,540
Merrill. And we do this thing, we're
having a match, and he kicks me in my
474
00:30:20,540 --> 00:30:21,540
mouth.
475
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,680
And we finish the match, I beat him.
476
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,480
My mouth was buckled open pretty bad, so
they take me to the ambulance to the
477
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:32,320
hospital. And so I get stitched up 14
stitches or whatever with my upper lip,
478
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:33,660
and they bring me back.
479
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Because I'm going to wrestle Jake the
Snake Roberts in the finals, and I'm
480
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,300
to beat Jake and become the king of the
ring. When I come back, my mouth is
481
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:43,650
stitched up, and as soon as I get out of
the ambulance, There's Michael Hayes.
482
00:30:43,770 --> 00:30:48,670
We're in the back of the Mecca Arena,
and he came out. He was going to the
483
00:30:48,670 --> 00:30:52,910
to go take on Jake. I mean, literally
going to the ring. And I said, Jake just
484
00:30:52,910 --> 00:30:56,650
cut a promo. He says, what did he say?
And I said, you know, he just used some
485
00:30:56,650 --> 00:30:59,410
Bible quotes and, you know, that he was
going to win.
486
00:30:59,630 --> 00:31:04,390
My soul was purchased by the blood of
the Lamb. So how could I lose if I just
487
00:31:04,390 --> 00:31:08,890
out there and know the power above is
reaching down and lifting me up? And
488
00:31:08,890 --> 00:31:09,890
he told me that.
489
00:31:10,170 --> 00:31:13,530
I immediately thought of the football
days back in the day when they're
490
00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:18,670
the field goals a point after. They
always had John 316 signs behind the
491
00:31:18,670 --> 00:31:22,690
goal. So anyway, we go out there and we
have the match, myself and Jake. And
492
00:31:22,690 --> 00:31:25,570
because my lip was busted up, we had a
real short match.
493
00:31:25,790 --> 00:31:29,590
After the match, I go over there to do
the interview with Michael Hayes, who
494
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:30,590
smartened me up.
495
00:31:30,790 --> 00:31:36,070
You thump your Bible and you say your
prayers and it didn't get you anywhere.
496
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:40,490
Talk about your Psalms. Talk about John
316.
497
00:31:41,670 --> 00:31:45,110
Austin 316 says, I just whipped your
ass.
498
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:51,790
Austin 316 says, I just whooped your
ass. Austin 316 says, I just whooped
499
00:31:51,790 --> 00:31:54,770
ass. I just whooped your ass. I just
whooped your ass.
500
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:57,650
And a franchise was born.
501
00:31:57,870 --> 00:32:03,210
There was a vibe of like a rocket ship
igniting its engine to take off.
502
00:32:03,690 --> 00:32:08,910
That was the moment where the character
really became a star.
503
00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:12,130
That's the epicenter of the explosion
that eventually happens.
504
00:32:12,410 --> 00:32:16,310
I remember thinking halfway through this
promo, like, I'm watching this guy get
505
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:22,230
made. And part of me was like, holy,
that should have been me. But also,
506
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:23,230
wouldn't have cut that promo.
507
00:32:23,290 --> 00:32:29,210
But I think the stitches in his lip and
coming back only added to the aura of
508
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:30,069
that interview.
509
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:31,730
I just got back from the hospital, so.
510
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,760
I just kind of put that together in my
head, and I didn't know what kind of
511
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,720
moment that was, but it was. And then on
the backside of it, I knew I needed to
512
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,960
wrap it up. I needed to put a button on
it. And that's the bottom line because
513
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,420
Stone Cold said so.
514
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,960
And that's the bottom line because Stone
Cold said so was on the spot.
515
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,300
I went to bat twice, and I hit two grand
slams.
516
00:32:53,540 --> 00:32:56,060
Out of any event, I was never supposed
to win.
517
00:32:56,380 --> 00:33:00,160
Next night, we showed up. All of a
sudden, there's the Austin 316 signs,
518
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,079
realized them.
519
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,080
There might be something here.
520
00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:11,820
Next night on Raw, you saw all these
Austin 316 signs
521
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:13,720
all over the building.
522
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:20,040
I remember thinking to myself at that
time, man, everything happens for a
523
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,620
because this guy is going to be massive
now.
524
00:33:23,940 --> 00:33:25,780
One day, I'm talking to our merch guy.
525
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,420
I'm sitting in the arena.
526
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:32,320
He goes, Stephen, office finally wants
to come up with a t -shirt for you. You
527
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,320
got any ideas?
528
00:33:33,500 --> 00:33:35,680
I said, you're goddamn right I do.
529
00:33:35,900 --> 00:33:41,000
I said, put Austin 316 on her front, put
a skull in the back, and carve in Stone
530
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,920
Cold. Okay, Stephen.
531
00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:46,920
And sure enough, we came up with that
shirt, and it sold like a sumbitch.
532
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:51,970
From that point on, when he got the
chance to speak, there was an intensity
533
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,730
there that you couldn't help but want to
watch that segment.
534
00:33:54,970 --> 00:33:59,030
The way he walked, the way he stalked
opponents, the way he looked at people,
535
00:33:59,030 --> 00:34:02,990
had that icy glare. Because he was in
the zone at that level, you couldn't
536
00:34:02,990 --> 00:34:04,730
but be like, got to see what he's going
to do.
537
00:34:04,990 --> 00:34:07,750
Why do you keep asking me stupid
questions?
538
00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:11,210
No second thought I'll whip your asses
right now.
539
00:34:11,590 --> 00:34:15,110
Shut up. Stone Cold never gave a rat's
ass about anybody.
540
00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:17,810
I don't know what pressure is, fat boy.
541
00:34:18,150 --> 00:34:22,170
I got a big bunch of bananas, and I can
tell you where to stick each and every
542
00:34:22,170 --> 00:34:22,888
one of them.
543
00:34:22,889 --> 00:34:26,870
You ain't worth the sweat off of my...
Hey.
544
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:33,710
My mommy's coming. Steven, if you were
on TV, I wouldn't let you watch you.
545
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:38,060
You're a piece of garbage. Oh, no. See,
take your camera and stick it, son.
546
00:34:38,340 --> 00:34:42,780
I ain't leaving yet. And you can stop
counting me down because I done told you
547
00:34:42,780 --> 00:34:46,460
once, son. We got a damn problem. Hey,
wait a minute. No more.
548
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:48,860
There's a production assistant.
549
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,219
He is now the guy in the eyes of the
audience.
550
00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:55,679
Like, he can do no wrong.
551
00:34:55,900 --> 00:34:58,480
They want to be part of that chaos. They
want to be part of that energy.
552
00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:02,960
They want to go and experience someone
called Steve Austin, the act, live.
553
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,140
You really start feeling that momentum
because you're finally getting the
554
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:11,600
desired response that you want from
these people. So now that I'm getting
555
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,220
feedback, I can feed it to you.
556
00:35:13,900 --> 00:35:19,500
Throughout that period of time, I'm
trying my hardest to entertain you or
557
00:35:19,500 --> 00:35:22,420
your heartstrings to make you feel what
I'm feeling, channel that.
558
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,700
I'm doing my damnedest to try to affect
you.
559
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,440
And I guess I was effective at making
people feel emotions.
560
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:36,610
But there's a perception that Steve just
came out of nowhere that that's a
561
00:35:36,610 --> 00:35:38,230
misconception on a lot of people's
parts.
562
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:43,070
Stone Cold lived within, and it took 10
years to come out.
563
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:50,350
If you look at that time period, WWE was
at its lowest point. The only way they
564
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:52,830
could have gone any lower is going out
of business or for the company to fall
565
00:35:52,830 --> 00:35:53,769
apart.
566
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:56,550
He dragged them into success.
567
00:35:57,130 --> 00:36:01,410
Austin's ascension is tied intricately
to the ascension of WWE.
568
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,780
We're coming back to life. The flame
isn't dead.
569
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,200
By 1997,
570
00:36:09,900 --> 00:36:11,620
Stone Cold's the hottest he's ever been.
571
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,600
The company's building him as one of the
biggest stars in their company.
572
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:19,620
He's driving revenue. He's selling
merchandise. He's making money.
573
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,700
But up next, ladies and gentlemen, the
Intercontinental Championship matchup.
574
00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:27,780
It's Owen Hart in a title defense
against Stone Cold Steve Austin.
575
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,020
Me and Owen, we're going to have a hell
of a match.
576
00:36:31,129 --> 00:36:34,330
And we had had this plan where he'd end
up hitting me with a tombstone
577
00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:35,330
piledriver.
578
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:39,430
And I said, go down to your knees,
right, because I'm looking for
579
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:40,790
He goes, no, I got on my ass.
580
00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:44,730
I said, but it seemed like you got to go
down to your knees. He goes, no.
581
00:36:45,090 --> 00:36:49,450
And when Owen said, this is how I do it,
I trusted him because he's Owen Hart.
582
00:36:50,540 --> 00:36:54,160
And so anyway, we get out there and
things go like they did.
583
00:36:54,460 --> 00:36:59,220
And man, he goes to his ass and my head
is sticking out about six inches below
584
00:36:59,220 --> 00:37:03,140
his ass. And boy, I got spiked in the
mat and it was not good.
585
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,080
Yeah,
586
00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:19,660
it was gnarly. You could tell
immediately.
587
00:37:20,410 --> 00:37:27,370
the thief was you know that he was
injured it sounded like someone
588
00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:33,850
hit a big gong and it was my skull you
know striking that damn ring dead center
589
00:37:33,850 --> 00:37:40,290
in the middle and then i didn't feel
anything because i'm laying there and
590
00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:44,530
paralyzed and i was like man on one hand
i could have freaked out and got scared
591
00:37:44,530 --> 00:37:50,650
but instead i remained calm it was like
don't touch me i can't move And so he
592
00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:53,290
starts buying time, because I think I'm
never going to move again.
593
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:59,470
As soon as he got injured, I called his
wife up.
594
00:38:00,550 --> 00:38:04,190
I said, did he really get hurt, or was
it just a show?
595
00:38:04,410 --> 00:38:06,210
He said, no, he really got hurt.
596
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:09,550
It was 1997 to this day.
597
00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:14,030
I cry about it every time I hear about
it.
598
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:18,040
I'm thinking, I got to get out of this
match. I got to get out of this match so
599
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:18,959
we can go back.
600
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,240
And Earl Hebner's a referee in that
match.
601
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,980
And I told Earl, I said, tell him roll
up for the win.
602
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,680
I thought I could start moving my arms
and legs. And when I tried to, if you go
603
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,740
back and watch that, it's like my knees
are creaking to get in a crawl position.
604
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,500
And I can't crawl like this because my
hands don't work. So I had to crawl
605
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:37,640
my forearms.
606
00:38:40,650 --> 00:38:44,070
And I give him the initial thing, and he
goes with me, and he doesn't try to
607
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:46,430
fight it. It's the worst roll -up in the
history of the business.
608
00:38:48,430 --> 00:38:51,910
And, man, I am gone.
609
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:57,490
I've been quadrupling for 60 seconds,
and my world has been turned upside
610
00:38:57,690 --> 00:39:01,210
The referees come to the ring, and three
of them help me up.
611
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,140
I got my arms around their shoulders,
and I pull them off because I want to
612
00:39:06,140 --> 00:39:08,880
up, and I want to address that crowd and
hold up that belt. And the only reason
613
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,280
I held up that belt was to signal the
crowd that, hey, man, I'm cool.
614
00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:16,820
And, man, when you look at that, my eyes
are open, but I'm rolled away.
615
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,860
The referees help me to the back, and as
I'm walking, this leg is dragging
616
00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,920
behind me quite a bit because of my
nerve damage.
617
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,060
I watched Steve stand up on legs that he
couldn't feel.
618
00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:37,190
I don't know how in the hell still that
he was able to get up.
619
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:42,750
That's a will that supersedes what the
body can do.
620
00:39:43,810 --> 00:39:46,810
Everybody thought I broke my neck. I
didn't break my neck. I bruised my
621
00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:48,250
cord. I'm a pretty tough guy.
622
00:39:48,610 --> 00:39:53,470
On that night, I was 1 % tough and 99 %
lucky.
623
00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:59,510
And that's why I get a little bit
emotional about it because if anything
624
00:39:59,510 --> 00:40:00,510
have went any differently.
625
00:40:01,549 --> 00:40:02,570
I'd have been in a wheelchair.
626
00:40:02,810 --> 00:40:06,450
I wouldn't be sitting here talking to
you. Nothing that ever happened after
627
00:40:06,450 --> 00:40:07,450
would have happened.
628
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:09,150
Everything was on the line.
629
00:40:09,490 --> 00:40:11,770
Get the ambulance people. Where are the
ambulance people?
630
00:40:12,810 --> 00:40:15,590
Ambulance. You want to just call 911 or
what?
631
00:40:15,830 --> 00:40:16,830
Get the medics.
632
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:24,150
I'd put the pair of shorts on, and I was
sitting up there against the wall, and
633
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:28,210
I was like, well, I was shaking. I kind
of started crying a little bit because
634
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:29,690
it scared me so bad.
635
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:35,910
I think an injury of that magnitude
makes us question our own mortality, and
636
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:38,010
that's not something we're often faced
with.
637
00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:45,970
And I remember I passed the test in the
hospital, but the doctor said, you know,
638
00:40:45,990 --> 00:40:50,470
you're pretty... Initially, Dr.
639
00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:53,610
Torg said, man, you're not getting back
in the ring.
640
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,040
And it's easy for a doctor to sit there
and tell me, maybe you ought to think
641
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,040
about doing something else.
642
00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:01,720
But this is what Steve Austin has done
for a living.
643
00:41:01,940 --> 00:41:03,160
I've done it for eight years.
644
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,600
Austin 316 started a year and a half
ago, and I ain't ready to give that up
645
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,080
nobody. And no one's going to run me out
of wrestling, and there ain't a doctor
646
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,340
in the world that can make me quit.
647
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,380
It took me long enough to get to the
top.
648
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:21,080
And you get to the top, and it's like,
man, you're riding a lightning bolt, and
649
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:22,620
you're going 100 miles an hour.
650
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,900
Then all of a sudden, man, out of
nowhere, you come to a screeching halt.
651
00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:33,260
Here was this opportunity he worked so
hard for, and like that, it could all be
652
00:41:33,260 --> 00:41:34,260
over.
653
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:41,120
After that bad injury, my anterior delts
were on fire for like a couple of
654
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,360
weeks. I mean, like someone put icy hot
on them. It was the weirdest thing, and
655
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:46,380
I didn't think it was ever going to
stop.
656
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,480
And it turned into an itch, and then
finally it went away.
657
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:59,120
When I took that pile driver back in the
day, when those reps would carry me
658
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,240
out, you'd watch my left leg kind of
dragging behind me.
659
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:09,220
So, like, if I get cold, you know, that
leg will kind of, it just doesn't
660
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:14,980
respond the same. And, you know, just
when you bruise your spinal cord and
661
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:17,140
stuff happens, it just, it does a
reverse.
662
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,720
So, I've got some atrophy and stuff like
that.
663
00:42:26,299 --> 00:42:29,780
Coming out of pro wrestling, I ask the
guys that are five years older than me
664
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:32,320
and ten years older than me, hey, man,
how you feeling?
665
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:36,420
So I kind of know what's next or what
they're going through because I know
666
00:42:36,420 --> 00:42:38,100
they've been through the same that I
have.
667
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,440
I've never had any neck pain.
668
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:44,140
Everybody always thinks, hey, man, Steve
got dropped on his head and he got a
669
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:45,920
fusion, his neck's all jacked up.
670
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:47,320
Man, I feel good.
671
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,700
You know, every now and then if I'm
sitting around too long, I'll get a
672
00:42:50,700 --> 00:42:52,240
gimped up, just got to stretch it a
little bit.
673
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,160
But I really can't complain about
anything.
674
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,520
Through all the surgeries and just the
wear and tear of the road, for what it's
675
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,420
worth, through all the stuff, I feel
good.
676
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:08,360
To WWE's credit, Steve's credit, they
managed to take that injury, and he
677
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,360
even bigger.
678
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:12,760
It has been said that anything can
happen here in the World Wrestling
679
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,020
Federation, but now more than ever,
truer words have never been spoken.
680
00:43:16,510 --> 00:43:19,970
This is a conscious effort on our part
to open the creative envelope, so to
681
00:43:19,970 --> 00:43:23,130
speak, in order to entertain you in a
more contemporary manner.
682
00:43:23,890 --> 00:43:29,890
For me, the start of the Attitude Era
was the day in late 1997 when Mr.
683
00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:36,810
addressed the roster, admitted that the
old days were gone, and that if we were
684
00:43:36,810 --> 00:43:39,530
going to succeed, we would have to put
our own...
685
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,380
personal emphasis into these characters.
686
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:49,040
The Attitude Era is a point in time in
pro wrestling history where WWE got a
687
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,040
edgier.
688
00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,680
It becomes violent. It becomes chaotic.
689
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:02,180
They pushed sexuality with women. They
pushed storylines that were blatantly
690
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:03,720
over the top.
691
00:44:05,070 --> 00:44:09,210
Everybody felt this interesting shift
that was happening in wrestling, and
692
00:44:09,210 --> 00:44:15,090
seismic shift now was away from the
cartoon era, the superhero era, if you
693
00:44:15,090 --> 00:44:19,570
in pro wrestling, into an edgier,
reality -based program.
694
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:26,510
The Attitude Era was the era of reality,
the era of pushing the limit as far as
695
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:27,510
we could.
696
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:29,410
It's the golden era.
697
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:33,990
The Attitude Era, a lot of it...
698
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:40,600
It was blending reality and fiction. It
was more real and more versions of
699
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,280
ourselves just with the volume turned
way up. Suck it!
700
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:51,180
I would imagine doing the suck it
probably caused more suspensions and
701
00:44:51,180 --> 00:44:56,560
detentions in school than any other
thing in the history of school in
702
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,460
We saw the very best in what people had
to offer.
703
00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:05,150
And Steve happened to have been the best
of all of us at bringing that to the
704
00:45:05,150 --> 00:45:07,010
plate. He was in a different
stratosphere.
705
00:45:08,050 --> 00:45:10,970
It was the era of holy shit.
706
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:14,750
Steve's Glass was the soundtrack to holy
shit.
707
00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:24,590
No matter what was happening, holy shit,
right? Like that was
708
00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:25,308
the moment.
709
00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:27,230
I'm getting goosebumps right now talking
about it.
710
00:45:32,259 --> 00:45:38,000
whether it's arena of 2 ,000 or 20 ,000
or 100 ,000, they know when that glass
711
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,860
breaks, there's a summits coming out
there to deal out a can of World Pass.
712
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:47,840
When that glass broke, here he came with
his whole, you know, head bouncing, you
713
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,180
know, and he's saying whatever he's
saying under his breath, and you just
714
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:52,180
that attitude.
715
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:56,420
I remember...
716
00:45:56,700 --> 00:46:00,580
The first time I heard that glass break
and I saw him walk down to the ring, it
717
00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:05,060
was the first time that I ever got
goosebumps in my entire life. 20 ,000,
718
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:07,740
,000, 60 ,000 people were going
absolutely insane.
719
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:13,020
I said, I want to be like that guy. In
that moment, I said, I need to be a pro
720
00:46:13,020 --> 00:46:18,540
wrestler. That was the walk of a guy who
had been down the road, paid his dues,
721
00:46:18,860 --> 00:46:24,120
learned the business, got over despite
what anybody else thought about him.
722
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,280
guy's not marketable. He's never going
to draw no money.
723
00:46:26,650 --> 00:46:29,710
The company finally picked me, and
that's the guy walking to the ring.
724
00:46:31,170 --> 00:46:35,170
The character of Stone Cold Steve Austin
was a very reality -based persona,
725
00:46:35,250 --> 00:46:40,490
which is not what this industry was
built on. So the whole attitude era that
726
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:47,190
ushered in was ushered in as an
extension of the personality that was
727
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:49,910
brought out by Stone Cold Steve Austin.
728
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:57,220
And that makes him, in many ways, the
most pivotal human being and
729
00:46:57,220 --> 00:47:00,400
character in pro wrestling history.
730
00:47:00,660 --> 00:47:04,200
Now we have to go a little bit higher.
Now we have to go a little bit bigger.
731
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,720
Stone Cold's success in the Attitude Era
can be attributed to many people.
732
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:19,460
But in order for your star hero to
become successful, he has to
733
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:22,300
have real, viable villains.
734
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,900
Vince McMahon was the greatest villain
in the Attitude Era, bar none.
735
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:36,620
Vince would show up in some way, take
away that thing that you definitely
736
00:47:36,620 --> 00:47:41,360
as a fan, and it drove me insane. And
that's why the Attitude Era was so
737
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,440
popular, was that Vince versus Stone
Cold rivalry.
738
00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:49,160
Vince and I were tailor -made for each
other to work together.
739
00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:53,900
Vince was unique because he was the
owner. Now he's feuding with me. It's a
740
00:47:53,900 --> 00:47:56,580
storyline. You can kiss my ass!
741
00:48:04,180 --> 00:48:06,980
All of a sudden, it wasn't just about
wrestling.
742
00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:11,220
It was about this guy who was an
employee against his boss.
743
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,360
And everybody's an employee that has a
boss.
744
00:48:14,990 --> 00:48:18,970
And a lot of times, the employee has not
liked what the boss has done or said to
745
00:48:18,970 --> 00:48:20,150
him. Screw you!
746
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:21,930
You're fired!
747
00:48:22,830 --> 00:48:23,850
Vince is crazy.
748
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:25,450
He really is.
749
00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:31,310
That stuff is not far from what Vince
would do as to what Mr. McMahon did.
750
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:36,730
Mr. McMahon is a character that is no
way in the world like me.
751
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:38,270
We'll start with that.
752
00:48:38,650 --> 00:48:39,730
But he's arrogant.
753
00:48:40,090 --> 00:48:43,190
I am a handsome...
754
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,220
A fluent entrepreneur.
755
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:48,380
He's rich.
756
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,100
I said black tie.
757
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,700
You can treat people like crap.
758
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,080
The thought of you, Austin, makes me
physically ill, makes me want to vomit.
759
00:48:58,540 --> 00:49:02,840
Everyday people saw something of
themselves in Steve, and they saw Mr.
760
00:49:03,060 --> 00:49:05,520
McMahon as the system that was holding
them down.
761
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,500
Nobody, especially Vince McMahon.
762
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,700
Tell Stone Cold Steve Austin what to do,
and that's the bottom line.
763
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,960
It was the consummate working class
hero, Stone Cold Steve Austin, against
764
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,960
machine.
765
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:26,180
Steve was the rage against the machine.
766
00:49:26,700 --> 00:49:30,100
The rattlesnake is here. Oh my God, I
don't believe this.
767
00:49:30,300 --> 00:49:35,900
That's one of the corvettes from Mr.
McMahon's collection. At that time,
768
00:49:35,980 --> 00:49:38,380
everybody wanted to be Stone Cold Steve
Austin.
769
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:43,500
It captured everybody's feelings
perfectly.
770
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,920
You are the world's dumbest son of a
bitch!
771
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,000
Vince was like a kid in a candy store
getting to work with me because he
772
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,000
wanted to be a wrestler.
773
00:49:55,460 --> 00:49:59,920
He finally got a chance to perform, not
just oversee and give instructions.
774
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,400
If you go back, man, you watch some of
the blue jeans I wore, some of the
775
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,980
I wore. We'd get ringing tight.
776
00:50:06,380 --> 00:50:10,760
I couldn't physically pick my leg up
high enough. Always the target is the
777
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:14,700
But when you can't pick your leg up high
enough, right below the stomach is the
778
00:50:14,700 --> 00:50:17,040
testicles. He didn't know where those
kicks were coming.
779
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,720
He really had no idea. He had no idea.
He was going to make contact with
780
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:22,740
something that was in front of him.
781
00:50:22,980 --> 00:50:28,480
So many times, I kicked him right in the
jewels, and he hit physical.
782
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Steve.
783
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,580
You know, if Steve kicks you in the
Netherlands or something like that.
784
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:37,710
It's easy to sell that.
785
00:50:39,470 --> 00:50:46,070
We had to keep upping the game a little
bit, so what could Stone Cold do to up
786
00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:47,490
the ante? We had boards of stuff.
787
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:52,470
What the hell can Steve do? Something
crazy. I don't know, drive a Zamboni to
788
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:53,470
the ring.
789
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:55,230
Seriously, that's how it happened?
790
00:50:58,410 --> 00:51:02,390
It was a Zamboni incident. We did, then
from the hospital.
791
00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:03,868
There you see Mr.
792
00:51:03,870 --> 00:51:04,930
McMahon via satellite.
793
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:06,350
I want apple juice.
794
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:10,170
Oh, man, that was a great one. So I go
out there. How about you, doctor?
795
00:51:10,650 --> 00:51:12,090
Oh, I'll take it from here, nurse.
796
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:14,190
No, no!
797
00:51:14,450 --> 00:51:17,090
Listen, man, I'm worried about hitting
you with that bedpan.
798
00:51:17,310 --> 00:51:20,670
It was almost a stainless steel bedpan,
man. That sumbitch, it was hard.
799
00:51:20,970 --> 00:51:25,270
So goddamn, Steve, it got to you. And
I'm watching Steve as he's walking up
800
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:26,229
down the hallway.
801
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:30,670
Hospital. And he's hitting his head with
the damn bedpan.
802
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:32,800
I was kind of just bouncing it.
803
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:37,740
When you hit people with objects for a
living, you become an expert at hitting
804
00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:42,100
people, you know, with objects for a
living. So when I swung it, boy, I just
805
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:43,980
reached up and grabbed it and nailed him
with it.
806
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,060
It ain't ballet, as the expression goes,
you know.
807
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:56,140
I love Vince. The guy would do
absolutely anything
808
00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:57,098
for me.
809
00:51:57,100 --> 00:51:58,720
And I would for him, too.
810
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,300
Again, every now and then someone very
special will come along.
811
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,980
And Steve's that.
812
00:52:05,820 --> 00:52:09,900
Man, there was a period there where
everything we did was a home run and a
813
00:52:09,900 --> 00:52:13,480
slam. And if you had a double or triple,
that was a bad day.
814
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:20,400
At his peak, Steve was one of the most
recognizable faces in the world.
815
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,680
Austin 316 shirt.
816
00:52:26,350 --> 00:52:33,110
We're now in Spencer's Gifts and Hot
Topic and Walmart, and you go in Foley's
817
00:52:33,110 --> 00:52:35,110
Macy's, and there's Austin 316.
818
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:36,430
It was everywhere.
819
00:52:37,110 --> 00:52:39,590
And, of course, you know, he had one
quarter where he even had a million
820
00:52:39,590 --> 00:52:40,509
Southern T -shirt.
821
00:52:40,510 --> 00:52:45,250
If you look at any sales chart, Steve
Austin's T -shirts are still amongst the
822
00:52:45,250 --> 00:52:47,370
best sellers in WWE to this day.
823
00:52:48,750 --> 00:52:51,630
Well, it first hit me when me and my
wife were living in Las Vegas.
824
00:52:52,370 --> 00:52:55,150
Every single person I saw walking the
streets, everybody.
825
00:52:55,820 --> 00:52:58,420
Has Steve Austin t -shirts on. It's
crazy.
826
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,380
If you turned on the TV, all of the
night shows.
827
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,120
Please welcome Stone Cold Steve Austin.
828
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,120
Man, it's good to be here.
829
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,060
Stone Cold Steve Austin.
830
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:20,120
Any show like that, he was on it.
831
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:22,780
Commercials.
832
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,640
Can I get one more of those?
833
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:27,840
Sure.
834
00:53:27,980 --> 00:53:30,040
Wrestling just came in like a tsunami.
835
00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:32,339
Thanks, Dad.
836
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:33,340
What else?
837
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,740
SportsCenter wasn't embracing wrestling
back then.
838
00:53:35,940 --> 00:53:42,580
And I just remember this tidal wave of
whether you're accepting us or not, here
839
00:53:42,580 --> 00:53:43,359
we come.
840
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,060
I wasn't even a wrestling fan.
841
00:53:45,820 --> 00:53:48,620
But he was so big, he crossed over into
mainstream.
842
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,220
We'd like to welcome back Stone Cold
Steve Austin.
843
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,520
He was bigger than wrestling. People who
aren't wrestling fans or don't care
844
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,860
about wrestling, even they knew who
Stone Cold was.
845
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,000
When you cross over like that, that's
when, you know, you've made it. Hey,
846
00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:05,520
Nice to meet you, too.
847
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:07,120
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
848
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:12,980
When Austin 316 became so hot and
everybody had heard about it, that we
849
00:54:12,980 --> 00:54:17,280
in an airport and I'd get preachers and
priests and religious people.
850
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,200
They'd say, hey man, is it okay if I get
your autograph?
851
00:54:20,660 --> 00:54:24,380
And I'd say, sure. I thought you'd be
mad at me for inventing the Austin 316
852
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:25,800
thing. They'd say, oh no, we don't care.
853
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:34,120
Steve's legacy is one that kind of makes
it hard for us to be WWE
854
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:39,240
superstars. His impact is felt in a way
that none of us can kind of compare to.
855
00:54:39,700 --> 00:54:43,700
You know, we certainly try, but there's
always going to be somebody somewhere
856
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:45,340
that's going to say, pretty good.
857
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,000
Not phone call, though.
858
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,480
When it was at its peak.
859
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,260
During the Attitude Era, it was mob
city.
860
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,900
It's like the Beatles just landed. It
was amazing.
861
00:55:06,340 --> 00:55:12,300
It sounds glamorous, but you're choosing
to be on the road a lot. You have to
862
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:16,300
love the business to put yourself
through that. That's where you really
863
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:18,340
evaluating your entire life.
864
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:35,970
Man, when you're running like I was, at
my peak, it's hard to do anything other
865
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:40,790
than be a pro wrestler because it
consumes everything about you. You are
866
00:55:40,790 --> 00:55:43,050
mode 24 -7, 365.
867
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:49,950
You are a slave to the road, and you
never want to come off the road because
868
00:55:49,950 --> 00:55:51,170
you come off the road, you get soft.
869
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:52,530
Soft was never home.
870
00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:54,270
That's a recipe for disaster.
871
00:55:57,850 --> 00:55:59,770
It all looks fun when you're seeing it
on TV.
872
00:56:01,150 --> 00:56:02,430
But it ain't always TV.
873
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:06,690
TV is a very small part of the life that
you live when you're doing that job.
874
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:09,570
The pressure was immense for him.
875
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:13,470
And part of that was, I think, because
he had so much going on.
876
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:17,330
As the pressures mounted around him work
-wise, he had a lot of pressures at
877
00:56:17,330 --> 00:56:19,250
home and a lot of pressures with his
family.
878
00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:21,590
And it's a lot.
879
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:23,910
It was a lot. You know, that's the thing
about the business.
880
00:56:24,510 --> 00:56:27,350
You've got all the personal problems
that everybody else does.
881
00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:30,460
I've got two daughters.
882
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:31,840
Stephanie Britt's the oldest.
883
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:33,340
Cassie Skye's the youngest.
884
00:56:35,180 --> 00:56:39,140
And I remember I came home. I think when
Stephanie was born, I flew in. I was in
885
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:41,920
New York City. We were working in New
York. That was the garden. And I flew
886
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,040
home. I was there for her birth.
887
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,580
And then as soon as she was born, I held
her. I gave her, like, her first
888
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:51,960
bottle. I got on an airplane, and I was
in Pittsburgh that night working.
889
00:56:55,150 --> 00:56:59,130
The truth is even guys that were married
and had families and things like that,
890
00:56:59,210 --> 00:57:01,790
they were more married to the road and
the business.
891
00:57:02,410 --> 00:57:08,110
To be successful in this industry, you
have to be willing to commit an enormous
892
00:57:08,110 --> 00:57:10,950
amount of time away from being home.
893
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:12,750
There's just no other way to do it.
894
00:57:13,770 --> 00:57:17,070
It's an extremely difficult life. It
really is.
895
00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:20,350
If you have a family, so difficult.
896
00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:22,110
So difficult on everybody.
897
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:27,870
I think that's probably why there's such
a high rate of divorce and things of
898
00:57:27,870 --> 00:57:28,870
that nature.
899
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:31,070
I try to not bring up that stuff.
900
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:33,470
I knew what family life was like.
901
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:36,030
It's unsatisfying.
902
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:38,650
It's a source of consternation.
903
00:57:39,130 --> 00:57:42,010
It's a source of crying children and
heartbreak.
904
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:44,270
It's a source of unhappy spouses.
905
00:57:45,090 --> 00:57:47,510
It's not like you're making a conscious
decision, hey, I'm putting everybody
906
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:50,130
else on the back burner, but I decided
to get a divorce.
907
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:53,390
You know, when you go through divorce,
they're chaotic.
908
00:57:53,690 --> 00:57:55,510
So obviously, you're very distracted.
909
00:57:55,810 --> 00:58:00,170
I was living in a house, but once I
decided to get a divorce, I moved
910
00:58:00,170 --> 00:58:02,970
about two or three miles down the road
in a little double -wide.
911
00:58:03,590 --> 00:58:09,350
And although I was going through the
pain or whatever goes with a divorce,
912
00:58:09,350 --> 00:58:13,110
I moved into that double -wide, me and a
double -wide, for some reason, there's
913
00:58:13,110 --> 00:58:18,930
synergy. I had two cinder blocks with a
1x12 plank where my TV was. I had my
914
00:58:18,930 --> 00:58:19,930
cooler, you know.
915
00:58:20,250 --> 00:58:24,250
full of beer. It's too bad that the
marriage didn't work out, but I found
916
00:58:24,250 --> 00:58:25,970
comfort and solace in that double one.
917
00:58:28,110 --> 00:58:33,170
You can be in the business and you can
still live a full life, but everything
918
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:35,570
else is kind of like white noise.
919
00:58:35,930 --> 00:58:40,310
I'm putting all my chips in my own
basket and this is what I'm doing.
920
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:44,110
And that was the first and foremost
priority was me.
921
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:47,570
Selfish I was.
922
00:58:48,140 --> 00:58:52,320
And I was going to ride myself and
everything that the business had to get
923
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,260
the top and do the best I could.
924
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,060
There's a sacrifice to greatness.
925
00:58:58,420 --> 00:59:01,820
And it's a price that a lot of people
are not willing to pay.
926
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Because there is an intensity to it.
927
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:11,700
There is an obligation to your own
vision and dreams that you have to serve
928
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:16,960
at all costs over and above everyone
else in your life, including yourself.
929
00:59:18,090 --> 00:59:24,630
Your own self -interest take a backseat
to your dreams and
930
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:26,590
aspirations of what you want to achieve.
931
00:59:27,210 --> 00:59:31,690
He's had multiple marriages that fell
apart. He's had multiple friendships
932
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:32,690
will never be repaired.
933
00:59:33,110 --> 00:59:39,670
But that's the price you pay to look
back on a body of work and have
934
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:43,390
everyone else around you say he changed
the game.
935
00:59:45,870 --> 00:59:48,110
Man, I am very demanding.
936
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:51,810
I was a professional wrestler. It's what
I lived and died for.
937
00:59:52,670 --> 00:59:57,590
He took a lot of things personally. He
wanted everything to be perfect, and he
938
00:59:57,590 --> 01:00:01,630
always wanted to be challenged with new
information, new creative. It kept your
939
01:00:01,630 --> 01:00:02,630
star happy.
940
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:06,830
Keep your talent happy as best you can.
941
01:00:08,850 --> 01:00:13,790
If you don't build new stars, you can't
feed the superstars at the top.
942
01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:19,890
So when Steve became the big star in the
business, he knew he needed a fresh
943
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:25,550
rotation of brand new stars to work
with. Mr. McMahon couldn't be that equal
944
01:00:25,550 --> 01:00:29,550
because once they got into the ring
together, it wasn't a very good match.
945
01:00:29,830 --> 01:00:36,610
You needed someone that you could
honestly look at and say, this guy
946
01:00:36,610 --> 01:00:39,650
can measure up to Stone Cold Steve
Austin.
947
01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:48,250
is cooking.
948
01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:56,610
To build an opponent for Stone Cold,
that opponent should be on TV regularly
949
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:58,030
go six months without losing.
950
01:00:59,290 --> 01:01:00,570
Start planting those seeds.
951
01:01:01,130 --> 01:01:03,830
Can you imagine what this guy's going to
be like when he takes on Stone Cold
952
01:01:03,830 --> 01:01:08,670
someday? My first couple of years in the
business, I watched this guy, Steve
953
01:01:08,670 --> 01:01:14,310
Austin, ascend to the top and start to
achieve this incredible popularity.
954
01:01:14,930 --> 01:01:16,330
And I would just...
955
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:21,700
quietly watch in the shadows, study his
behavior and watch how he operated
956
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:24,320
because that was the position that I
wanted to be in.
957
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,040
And I think he knew that.
958
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,440
I just remember watching him starting to
gain momentum, starting to establish a
959
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,600
relationship with the crowd.
960
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,340
He's starting to get over, there's
something here.
961
01:01:35,660 --> 01:01:37,300
I need to watch this.
962
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,640
And I remember him saying something to
the effect of, there's something there,
963
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:41,680
kid.
964
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,220
There's something there.
965
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:50,890
There was also this bond like he was a
big brother in a way.
966
01:01:51,130 --> 01:01:56,770
And then we knew that we were going to
converge and that we were going to work
967
01:01:56,770 --> 01:02:02,990
together. And as far as The Rock is
concerned, the greatest book ever
968
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:05,670
the one titled The Rock vs.
969
01:02:05,910 --> 01:02:08,030
Stone Cold, Steve Austin.
970
01:02:10,270 --> 01:02:11,850
They were natural together.
971
01:02:12,050 --> 01:02:13,410
They had great chemistry.
972
01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:16,370
I think that Steve and Rock liked each
other.
973
01:02:16,810 --> 01:02:20,510
So that helped, and they both rode that
wave.
974
01:02:21,310 --> 01:02:28,010
I love the relationship with The Rock
and Steve
975
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:31,390
because they were both very, very
competitive.
976
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:36,250
They were always wondering how the other
was feeling, how the other was doing.
977
01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:38,810
They never left each other's radar.
978
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:41,010
They pushed each other.
979
01:02:41,370 --> 01:02:42,870
They made each other better.
980
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:44,350
In the world of pro wrestling.
981
01:02:45,580 --> 01:02:47,940
You can only control so much.
982
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:51,980
And after that, it becomes the
intangible.
983
01:02:54,580 --> 01:03:01,560
And that intangible, what everybody
984
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:03,200
searches for, is chemistry.
985
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,800
I knew exactly what he was going to do
all the time.
986
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,660
He knew exactly what I was going to do
all the time.
987
01:03:11,940 --> 01:03:14,580
That's just kind of the special thing
that you just feel.
988
01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:25,240
It's like watching two comets fly
through the sky and hit each other. It
989
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:26,240
happens.
990
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:31,200
I think it was the apex. I mean, it was
really the peak.
991
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:36,900
And Steve Austin and The Rock were the
two hottest stars in the business.
992
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,940
We were fighting for the exact same
thing.
993
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:45,270
And that was the number one top spot in
the company at a time where the company
994
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:46,270
was on fire.
995
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:50,210
It's really rarefied air. And we were
fighting for that rarefied air.
996
01:03:50,490 --> 01:03:53,170
But it was out of so much love and so
much respect.
997
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:57,270
God, it was so fun to watch. Being
privileged to see something like that
998
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:58,910
you have these two big talents coming
together.
999
01:03:59,130 --> 01:04:00,190
It's a new champion!
1000
01:04:02,970 --> 01:04:04,770
Man, that was a great ride.
1001
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:12,240
Rock and I never rode the roads
together.
1002
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,060
He ran with a different crowd.
1003
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,140
But whenever we see each other, it's
just like the last time we left off.
1004
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:21,280
It's a friendship that is forever.
1005
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:28,840
That was a guy who looked at me and
said, you, you and me, we're going
1006
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,320
to go, and we're going to go to the
dance.
1007
01:04:30,540 --> 01:04:35,500
That decision to take me, if you will,
under his wing, it changed my life.
1008
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,420
Steve's going to be the first one to
tell you that he's got just a core group
1009
01:04:44,420 --> 01:04:48,420
friends. I mean, he's not going to just
be your best friend just to be your best
1010
01:04:48,420 --> 01:04:53,340
friend. They say it's lonely at the top,
and I think Steve was pretty lonely.
1011
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:56,740
I ran with myself. I was low wolf.
1012
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,560
My place was on top of that roster, on
top of that card.
1013
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,420
There's so much jealousy.
1014
01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:07,080
I really love the thing I came up with
years ago, DTA, don't trust anybody.
1015
01:05:08,940 --> 01:05:11,780
DTA, don't trust anyone, makes for a
good catchphrase.
1016
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,420
I don't know if it's the best way to go
through life, but I think that is how
1017
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:18,800
Steve went through his life at that
time.
1018
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:24,040
The DTA, don't trust anyone thing, that
wasn't Steve playing a character, angry,
1019
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:28,240
bitter, paranoid, like there was a lot
of that. Steve's a very private guy.
1020
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:29,379
He just is.
1021
01:05:29,380 --> 01:05:33,220
He never really talked about his home
life. Every now and then he'd tell you
1022
01:05:33,220 --> 01:05:36,880
something about his family, but for the
most part, he kept all that stuff to
1023
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:37,880
himself.
1024
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,320
People have always asked me about my
daughters. In the past, I haven't talked
1025
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,760
too much about them, and it's because of
the strained relationship that it was
1026
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,620
and me being gone all the time.
1027
01:05:50,900 --> 01:05:55,040
I never won Father of the Year because
I'm purely on the road.
1028
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,700
If I'm going to come home from my two
days off every now and then, I'm going
1029
01:05:58,700 --> 01:06:00,700
cook some flank steaks on the grill and
drink beer.
1030
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:02,260
That's as much as I'm contributing.
1031
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,640
I hate to say that. That's the way it
was.
1032
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,940
I knew that I loved them, but I wasn't
there.
1033
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,760
Back in 2001, my wife took the kids over
to England to visit her side of the
1034
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,800
family. 9 -11 happened, and then that's
when everybody was, or at least she was
1035
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:24,800
afraid to fly.
1036
01:06:24,900 --> 01:06:25,960
They kind of stayed over there.
1037
01:06:26,340 --> 01:06:31,200
I was always gone anyway, so what's the
big deal? So they stayed over there, and
1038
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,200
they kept staying over there.
1039
01:06:32,580 --> 01:06:35,260
And as time went on, well, I called.
1040
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,980
Stephanie, just to talk to them.
1041
01:06:37,420 --> 01:06:41,880
And when we started talking, she had a
proper London accent.
1042
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:47,400
When I hung up the phone, I started
crying like a baby because she used to
1043
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:51,340
exactly like I do, for better or for
worse, without the poor lot of words.
1044
01:06:51,340 --> 01:06:52,340
had my same accent.
1045
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,100
And to hear her with an English accent,
yeah, that shook me up because I was
1046
01:06:58,100 --> 01:07:02,580
like, okay, what did I do wrong or could
I have done better?
1047
01:07:07,180 --> 01:07:11,860
Now that they're older, we're on the way
to building better relationships.
1048
01:07:12,420 --> 01:07:15,580
So now they're pursuing their own
things. I support them.
1049
01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:18,160
If I can give them any advice, I do.
1050
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:24,160
Through all the BS that has happened,
we're talking now, the relationships, as
1051
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:27,640
strained as they were, they're better
now, but it's still a building block.
1052
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:34,000
Because truly, after all these years, we
still don't know each other as well as
1053
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
we should.
1054
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:41,300
That was the Faustian bargain that he
cut with himself in order to
1055
01:07:41,300 --> 01:07:47,720
myopically, obsessively go after the
success that he knew in his heart
1056
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:48,980
he could achieve.
1057
01:07:50,260 --> 01:07:54,620
You have to get it while you can and
then hope that you can make up for all
1058
01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:59,780
other stuff that you put on the bottom
shelf while you went out and lived your
1059
01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:03,120
dream. There's a lot of casualties that
come with that, and you have to be
1060
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,120
willing to accept that.
1061
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:06,150
your window is really small.
1062
01:08:07,030 --> 01:08:09,730
For most guys, it really is a small
window.
1063
01:08:12,930 --> 01:08:16,990
He always felt like he was going to lose
his spot in line if he was not on the
1064
01:08:16,990 --> 01:08:18,790
road. I can't be home.
1065
01:08:19,109 --> 01:08:23,109
I've got to be on the road with the rest
of the guys because somebody else is
1066
01:08:23,109 --> 01:08:25,910
going to have a great match, they're
going to be noticed, and I'm not.
1067
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:30,130
The drive for that, the lust for that,
he could never get away from.
1068
01:08:31,900 --> 01:08:35,319
Any time that someone is successful,
they have a hands -on approach.
1069
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:42,060
Steve had a very hands -on approach when
it came to the presentation of what he
1070
01:08:42,060 --> 01:08:43,060
was going to do.
1071
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:48,439
Steve was very demanding, but Steve
could be guilty of, this sucks.
1072
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:50,800
Okay, it sucks, Steve.
1073
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,840
What do you want to do to make it
better? I don't know, goddamn, you're a
1074
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:54,840
writer, write something.
1075
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:59,240
Steve would get mad, throw it away, and
storm off.
1076
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:00,800
This was at a time.
1077
01:09:01,210 --> 01:09:03,350
when The Rock was taking a break in
Hollywood.
1078
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:06,770
And Stone Cold Steve Austin needed a new
equal.
1079
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:11,890
Steve would have been very easy to
maintain and manage if we'd always had a
1080
01:09:11,890 --> 01:09:13,870
opponent ready for him. And why wouldn't
you?
1081
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:16,630
I think that's what led to a lot of
Steve's frustration.
1082
01:09:17,750 --> 01:09:21,729
Complaining about his opponents, you
know, complaining who he's working with.
1083
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:26,950
He wasn't getting red hot villains.
Nobody's ready. Nobody's been groomed
1084
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:27,950
me.
1085
01:09:28,189 --> 01:09:30,310
The process had failed him.
1086
01:09:31,370 --> 01:09:35,510
When the creative stuff started going
south a little bit, it had a more
1087
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:37,210
effect on him than it would a lot of
guys.
1088
01:09:37,830 --> 01:09:40,029
Because he felt like this foundation was
starting to crack.
1089
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:43,050
I was like, dude, what is going on here?
1090
01:09:43,569 --> 01:09:46,810
When you've been trying so hard, so long
to be that guy, and you get that
1091
01:09:46,810 --> 01:09:48,510
chance, you ain't letting it go.
1092
01:09:48,750 --> 01:09:52,050
I found out what creative had in mind
for Steve and Brock Lesnar.
1093
01:09:53,090 --> 01:09:54,650
And I confirmed it with Vince.
1094
01:09:55,150 --> 01:09:57,290
Oh, you're going to work with Brock
tonight, and you're going to lose.
1095
01:09:58,010 --> 01:10:01,940
And it certainly was very premature to
try to have... Steve and Brock wrestled
1096
01:10:01,940 --> 01:10:02,960
with no buildup.
1097
01:10:03,500 --> 01:10:06,800
This is a match that could sell out
indoor stadiums.
1098
01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:08,800
But there's no story there.
1099
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:10,620
It was thrown together.
1100
01:10:11,580 --> 01:10:13,180
And it meant nothing.
1101
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,720
Jim Ross calls me with the creative for
Monday Night Raw.
1102
01:10:16,260 --> 01:10:19,100
Tells me, long story short, that I'm
doing a job for Brock Lesnar.
1103
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:20,480
I said, oh, really?
1104
01:10:20,860 --> 01:10:23,260
I said, well, if that's going to be the
case, I ain't going to be there.
1105
01:10:23,860 --> 01:10:25,320
So sure enough, I woke up.
1106
01:10:25,790 --> 01:10:29,990
I had two Bloody Marys. Got on an
airplane, and I was flying back to San
1107
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:31,550
Antonio. And I was mad.
1108
01:10:31,810 --> 01:10:33,230
It ain't about winning or losing.
1109
01:10:33,490 --> 01:10:38,670
I'll let anybody beat me. As long as
it's for a reason, it means something,
1110
01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:43,010
there's money behind it. And so I said,
I ain't doing it. And I went home. It
1111
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:48,150
was over. I was done. And it cost me a
lot of respect from my peers, a lot of
1112
01:10:48,150 --> 01:10:52,050
money, and that's what I did. And as
they said it, I took my ball and went
1113
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:58,060
It felt like he kicked everybody in the
co -unions.
1114
01:10:58,420 --> 01:11:02,820
It felt like all of a sudden, wait a
minute, what is wrong with him? How is
1115
01:11:02,820 --> 01:11:03,820
thinking this way?
1116
01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:08,620
To his credit, Vince called me three
times. He left me a voice message each
1117
01:11:08,620 --> 01:11:10,060
time. I never called him back.
1118
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:12,580
I didn't want to talk to him on the
phone. I was still hot.
1119
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,540
And for about six months, I was hunting,
fishing, and drinking, and not
1120
01:11:18,540 --> 01:11:21,720
necessarily in that order, and making a
lot of bad decisions.
1121
01:11:23,620 --> 01:11:25,340
You know, just time was going by.
1122
01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:32,180
Finally, I'm going through my mail.
There's a card from Jim Ross.
1123
01:11:33,580 --> 01:11:35,220
I didn't expect a card from Jim Ross.
1124
01:11:35,780 --> 01:11:39,060
Hey, man, just checking on you. Want to
see if you're okay.
1125
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,920
If you ever want to talk, give me a
call.
1126
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,540
And I felt right then that that was my
friend throwing me a lifeline.
1127
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,520
I called him up. It was back when they
had those old Motorola flip phones. I
1128
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:52,140
burned through two batteries talking to
Jim.
1129
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:53,520
We did speak for hours.
1130
01:11:54,580 --> 01:11:59,300
Life, football, you know, booking,
marriage, relationships.
1131
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Boy, he really needed to talk.
1132
01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:04,400
He goes, hey, man, do you think if I
ever put you in the old man or the
1133
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,460
building, you can hash this out and put
it behind you and come back to work?
1134
01:12:08,260 --> 01:12:09,720
I said, I'd love that.
1135
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:13,360
He facilitated the meeting between
myself and Vince.
1136
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:14,720
And I'm thinking, man,
1137
01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:18,240
we're going to fight or hug.
1138
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:21,160
We started talking.
1139
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:26,630
We hashed it out. I told him what I was
thinking, and we got back on the same
1140
01:12:26,630 --> 01:12:29,310
track. And then shortly thereafter, I
returned to work.
1141
01:12:31,330 --> 01:12:38,310
When I did come back, I knew what
1142
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:43,970
I had done. So I remember going up to
basically the whole locker room. Yeah, I
1143
01:12:43,970 --> 01:12:45,050
apologized to a lot of guys.
1144
01:12:46,110 --> 01:12:47,230
And it was warranted.
1145
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:57,520
Well, Stone Cold Steve Austin is back,
and I can guarantee you that I am going
1146
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:02,480
to raise more hell in this ring than
I've ever raised in my life.
1147
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:14,400
I came back for a few months, but, man,
it's a hard -ass
1148
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:15,400
job.
1149
01:13:15,860 --> 01:13:21,240
I was backstage with Bruce Prichard one
time, and I just kept having this nerve
1150
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,240
jump in my leg.
1151
01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:25,840
And it was just like everything in my
nervous system was so shot.
1152
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:30,200
You know, the atrophy in my hands and
other things that I was going through
1153
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:35,040
like finally starting to unwind me. It's
like, dude, when is your body going to
1154
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,360
give you enough signals that you need to
get your ass out of here?
1155
01:13:37,620 --> 01:13:43,300
The feeling was basically that he had
pushed the limits as far as he could and
1156
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:46,820
that it was time that he didn't want to
push him anymore.
1157
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,740
And I think Steve just saw the writing
on the wall.
1158
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:57,400
I can't imagine how agonizing it was for
Steve to make the decision that
1159
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:58,560
his career was over.
1160
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:04,140
He had to resign himself to the fact,
this is as far as the character goes.
1161
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:09,520
Now the question then would become, who
will he wrestle and what will be the
1162
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:14,300
outcome? Steve being an old school guy,
wanted to go out the right way.
1163
01:14:14,820 --> 01:14:16,140
He wanted to be Rock.
1164
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,260
He owed it to Rock.
1165
01:14:19,310 --> 01:14:23,710
But he didn't want to distract from The
Rock getting a win by him, so this is
1166
01:14:23,710 --> 01:14:24,710
his last match.
1167
01:14:24,970 --> 01:14:26,870
So we kept that confidential.
1168
01:14:28,170 --> 01:14:29,710
It's a professional thing to do.
1169
01:14:30,370 --> 01:14:32,770
And it shows great love and respect for
Dwayne.
1170
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:36,450
It's bigger than wrestling. I just like
The Rock.
1171
01:14:36,710 --> 01:14:39,050
And so I didn't tell hardly anybody at
all.
1172
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:43,190
Obviously Vince knew, Jim Ross knew, and
I told The Rock.
1173
01:14:44,210 --> 01:14:50,000
When I found out that his last match was
going to be with me, I had really mixed
1174
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,000
emotions.
1175
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:58,140
You know, we hugged, and it makes me a
little emotional now because it is the
1176
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:04,320
ending of a career that has been so
influential on not
1177
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,980
only me, but the world of wrestling that
we love.
1178
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:14,240
It hurt to walk away. It was a real
tough decision to make, but I just
1179
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,600
it was the best decision for me.
1180
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:24,100
I think the days leading into
WrestleMania 19 were miserable for him.
1181
01:15:26,140 --> 01:15:28,320
How am I going to do? How am I going to
deliver?
1182
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:29,960
What are the people going to say?
1183
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:31,600
How do I look?
1184
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,520
The day before WrestleMania, I was at
the gym.
1185
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,460
This was at a time where I was drinking
about three bottles of wine a night, two
1186
01:15:39,460 --> 01:15:43,620
pots of coffee in the morning to get up,
and a bunch of energy drinks to get you
1187
01:15:43,620 --> 01:15:44,559
going.
1188
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,380
Really dehydrated. Never mind.
1189
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,820
Feet kept jumping, just nervous
reactions. I was like, man, what is
1190
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,440
And I was standing at the Grand Hyatt
Hotel there in Seattle.
1191
01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,880
And I went up to the floor that I was
on, and as soon as I got out of the
1192
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:04,600
elevator, man, my heart started beating
out of my chest so hard and fast, it
1193
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:05,940
scared the hell out of me.
1194
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:08,060
And I was thinking, man, I'm dying.
1195
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,140
I just got my number called. I'm gone.
1196
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:14,640
And there was a WWE employee named Liz
DiFabio coming down the hallway.
1197
01:16:15,550 --> 01:16:18,850
And I looked at her, and she could see
that I was as serious as a heart attack,
1198
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:19,809
no pun intended.
1199
01:16:19,810 --> 01:16:21,290
And I said, Liz, I'm in trouble.
1200
01:16:23,450 --> 01:16:27,410
They take me down to the emergency room,
and they put all these tests on me.
1201
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:31,930
They thought I had a pulmonary embolism.
They thought a bunch of things. And the
1202
01:16:31,930 --> 01:16:38,150
thing was that I was just basically
dehydrated, drinking too much alcohol
1203
01:16:38,150 --> 01:16:42,250
way too much caffeine, and finally, you
know, it was time to stop.
1204
01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:46,800
So Vince and I were there. He put too
much on himself. He worried too much. He
1205
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:47,900
overthought the situation.
1206
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:54,120
So I woke up the next morning. The
doctor didn't want to discharge me. He
1207
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:55,120
wouldn't clear me to wrestle.
1208
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,880
But I was going to wrestle, and I was
going to wrestle the rock.
1209
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:00,680
Getting to the building.
1210
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:04,560
I was walking around seeing everybody
going through the motion.
1211
01:17:05,060 --> 01:17:06,019
Hey, Mark.
1212
01:17:06,020 --> 01:17:06,879
Hey, Steve.
1213
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,360
How you doing?
1214
01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:13,550
If I talked to anybody or hardly said
anything, I was about to start crying.
1215
01:17:16,110 --> 01:17:20,370
And when you're making the decision to
walk away from your number one passion
1216
01:17:20,370 --> 01:17:25,990
that you live for, oh, man, I'll make
this go away.
1217
01:17:26,930 --> 01:17:28,930
So I was like this all day long.
1218
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:34,130
And then, of course, you know, we get
ready for the match. It's like, okay,
1219
01:17:34,250 --> 01:17:36,890
let's go turn it on, rip it up. You
know, if your heart explodes.
1220
01:17:37,290 --> 01:17:38,550
If I died in the ring.
1221
01:17:39,130 --> 01:17:42,910
Hey, man, what better place to go than
in Mania, in the middle of the ring,
1222
01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:43,709
The Rock?
1223
01:17:43,710 --> 01:17:48,010
So, you know, you can't plan a better
death than that.
1224
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:54,330
I take
1225
01:17:54,330 --> 01:18:01,270
it all in.
1226
01:18:01,710 --> 01:18:02,930
I feel everything.
1227
01:18:04,210 --> 01:18:08,110
And I sense everything. The smell, the
feel, the love.
1228
01:18:08,810 --> 01:18:10,590
The tone of that building.
1229
01:18:16,010 --> 01:18:20,470
It ain't about nothing but a wrestling
match between two of the greatest that
1230
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:21,530
have ever been in the ring.
1231
01:18:23,610 --> 01:18:24,930
That's a clothesline.
1232
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:27,450
And The Rock. Is he going to do it?
1233
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:45,760
When that three -count hit, it was
like... I was just laying
1234
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:50,160
there. It was like someone lifting 1
,000 pounds of bricks off my back.
1235
01:18:51,980 --> 01:18:55,720
Damn near 70 ,000 people in that
building. A couple men watching on pay
1236
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:58,440
-view. We were both laying in the middle
of the ring.
1237
01:19:00,420 --> 01:19:02,400
And I sat up.
1238
01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:06,720
And I remember I pushed the referee,
Earl Hebner, away.
1239
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:09,530
He knew that I was going.
1240
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:14,950
He knew that I didn't want to go, and
this was a hard decision for me to make.
1241
01:19:15,210 --> 01:19:22,170
I lowered my head down to Steve's ear,
and I said, I can't thank
1242
01:19:22,170 --> 01:19:24,590
you enough for everything that you have
done.
1243
01:19:26,610 --> 01:19:27,710
And then I said, I love you.
1244
01:19:29,070 --> 01:19:32,710
I remember just laying there in front of
70 ,000, man, saying, man, I love you
1245
01:19:32,710 --> 01:19:33,710
too.
1246
01:19:37,290 --> 01:19:38,510
I told him I loved him.
1247
01:19:39,670 --> 01:19:45,070
Verbatim, I said, I love you too. Two
big ass, tough ass guys telling each
1248
01:19:45,070 --> 01:19:48,150
that they loved the other one in front
of millions of people.
1249
01:19:48,490 --> 01:19:54,510
I felt like that was the time to tell
Steve because there is no other moment
1250
01:19:54,510 --> 01:20:01,510
our world where we are as raw and open
and vulnerable than in that moment
1251
01:20:01,510 --> 01:20:02,510
right there.
1252
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:05,690
When the one, two, three happens.
1253
01:20:06,220 --> 01:20:09,140
It's just two men who have gone on this
incredible journey.
1254
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,980
You know, I have goosebumps now thinking
about it.
1255
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,820
That was the moment to say, man, I love
you, and I can't thank you enough.
1256
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:27,080
What makes Steve's career different than
most others is just how hot he got, how
1257
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:32,080
fast he got hot, and how short of a time
he had to enjoy it.
1258
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:34,060
I was seeing the end.
1259
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,500
as something that will never be
replicated.
1260
01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:45,060
Seeing the end of a moment in a pop
culture genre that will never be
1261
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:49,140
Now I can go enjoy the life that I have
in front of me.
1262
01:20:54,940 --> 01:20:58,760
You know, retirement always sounds good,
and then there I was. I was doing
1263
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,080
nothing. I was going crazy.
1264
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:06,000
Straight up, man, I hit the bottle
pretty hard.
1265
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:16,460
I do know that he was a bit lost after,
you know, having to leave the business,
1266
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:20,480
trying to redefine himself and see what
is life after wrestling.
1267
01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:28,700
He had three years that he talked about
how he was just drinking and eating and
1268
01:21:28,700 --> 01:21:29,960
just a little bit depressed.
1269
01:21:33,900 --> 01:21:35,040
I'll tell you this true story.
1270
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,160
I woke up one morning. I was looking
right at myself in the mirror. I said,
1271
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:43,920
dude, the things that you are doing are
not conducive to living a long life.
1272
01:21:44,700 --> 01:21:46,520
You better straighten your ass up.
1273
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:53,660
It took me three years of being a fuck
up to come to my senses to say, you know
1274
01:21:53,660 --> 01:21:55,640
what? You had to quit the business.
1275
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:57,700
You ain't doing nothing now.
1276
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:02,440
You better get your ass out to L .A. and
try to capitalize on at least, you
1277
01:22:02,440 --> 01:22:05,920
know, some part of the name that you
spent so long trying to build up.
1278
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:08,600
Look at me, you piece of trash.
1279
01:22:09,820 --> 01:22:12,100
I heard you've been running around
saying you could take me in a fight.
1280
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:13,320
I wouldn't say that.
1281
01:22:14,540 --> 01:22:15,620
Let's get busy, Hollywood.
1282
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:21,700
And initially I came out to California
to get into acting. I quickly realized
1283
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:25,700
that I didn't really want to do that,
and when I found hosting and reality
1284
01:22:25,700 --> 01:22:28,740
television type stuff, that's when I
knew I'd kind of found my niche.
1285
01:22:29,500 --> 01:22:33,800
I'm Stone Cold Steve Alston, Jerry the
King Lawler, my next guest on Brunker
1286
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:38,080
Skull Sessions. Check it out, and that's
the bottom line, because that's Defco.
1287
01:22:40,060 --> 01:22:44,900
Great. And so I started podcasting, and
the reason I started was just to keep in
1288
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:45,900
touch with people.
1289
01:22:46,410 --> 01:22:50,470
I guess it was just all built on the
history of what I put forth inside the
1290
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:51,470
squared circle.
1291
01:22:52,590 --> 01:22:57,290
He's got a podcast that he does. He's
got TV shows he hosts. I would say the
1292
01:22:57,290 --> 01:23:00,830
biggest difference between the Stone
Cold we see now and the Stone Cold we
1293
01:23:00,830 --> 01:23:02,790
back then, he doesn't have the pressure.
1294
01:23:05,670 --> 01:23:06,710
I'm a civilian now.
1295
01:23:07,210 --> 01:23:10,310
It took me a while to turn into a
civilian, but I'm a civilian now.
1296
01:23:10,870 --> 01:23:15,210
My problem is, man, I'm type A
personality, so I'm always in a hurry.
1297
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,340
I'm in a hurry when I don't have
anything to do.
1298
01:23:17,980 --> 01:23:21,460
This is Brownie, our chocolate lab we
rescued about three weeks ago.
1299
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,760
These are my Kawasaki KRX 1000s. This is
my Corvette, this is KLX 450.
1300
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:30,500
This truck right here is a 1966 Chevy
C10.
1301
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,260
I'm not a wrestler anymore. I had a good
time doing it.
1302
01:23:35,580 --> 01:23:37,860
But at the end of the day, now it's
about life.
1303
01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:53,710
You step through the curtain, you're in
front of the paying customer.
1304
01:23:54,570 --> 01:23:59,010
And that's where you got to be the
person they perceive you to be on
1305
01:24:15,950 --> 01:24:19,310
And you're that person from the first
step.
1306
01:24:19,710 --> 01:24:23,670
through the curtain until the last step
back through the curtain.
1307
01:24:24,770 --> 01:24:26,390
You're a performer out there.
1308
01:24:29,470 --> 01:24:33,290
Talk about your songs. Talk about John
316.
1309
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:37,510
Austin 316 says I just whipped your ass.
1310
01:24:43,330 --> 01:24:47,650
Nobody else told Steve Austin what to
do.
1311
01:24:54,990 --> 01:25:00,910
When you come back through the curtain,
you're a human being.
1312
01:25:02,010 --> 01:25:06,810
And those human beings are worried at
that moment when they sit back through
1313
01:25:06,810 --> 01:25:07,950
curtain, was I good?
1314
01:25:08,650 --> 01:25:09,710
Did they like me?
1315
01:25:10,630 --> 01:25:14,010
Did I do all I could do? Did I maximize
my minutes?
1316
01:25:15,970 --> 01:25:16,970
Coming back through.
1317
01:25:17,450 --> 01:25:18,850
It's for whoever meets the road.
1318
01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:22,650
That curtain is a big thing.
1319
01:25:23,090 --> 01:25:27,130
And how you navigate the curtain, how
you react on both sides of it, largely
1320
01:25:27,130 --> 01:25:30,030
spells your success in the pro wrestling
business.
1321
01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:36,510
Look, I got placed in a real good
situation, and I got a chance to have a
1322
01:25:36,510 --> 01:25:38,270
fun doing something I love.
1323
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:42,110
But, like, I still feel like I'm sitting
there in this damn chair, and I'm still
1324
01:25:42,110 --> 01:25:43,870
Steve, the dude from Edna.
1325
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,620
In my mind and in my eyes, that's me.
1326
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:53,160
That's all I can say.
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