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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:25,340 Over the last five years, I've been visiting countries with a bad reputation 2 00:00:25,340 --> 00:00:28,840 see if the preconceptions... Sorry to interrupt. Can you just avoid saying bad 3 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,880 reputation because it implies that the countries are bad and from a position of 4 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,780 white privilege, it just doesn't look that great. 5 00:00:35,020 --> 00:00:37,500 Yeah, but they do have like a bad reputation. I mean, that's the point. 6 00:00:37,700 --> 00:00:38,700 Can you avoid it? 7 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,480 Also, I'm not white. I know. 8 00:00:41,480 --> 00:00:42,900 And we support that decision. 9 00:00:43,580 --> 00:00:45,040 I mean, it's not a decision, but OK. 10 00:00:45,530 --> 00:00:48,470 Over the last five years, I've been visiting countries which some people 11 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:51,330 associate with somewhat negative preconceptions. Good. 12 00:00:51,710 --> 00:00:53,690 To see if that reputation is justified. 13 00:00:54,090 --> 00:00:56,970 That's good shit. Or if we should be giving them a second chance. 14 00:00:57,170 --> 00:01:00,330 Offside. This time, I'm going above and beyond. 15 00:01:01,550 --> 00:01:04,310 Travelling through the heart of Africa on a month -long journey. 16 00:01:04,550 --> 00:01:08,190 Ron, can you not say heart of Africa? It sounds like the heart of darkness. 17 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:09,910 Okay, but that was in Africa. 18 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:11,850 Yes, but it might trigger some people. 19 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:14,490 OK, how about former British colonies? 20 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:15,770 That would trigger other people. 21 00:01:16,010 --> 00:01:19,430 OK. Travelling through Africa on one long epic journey. 22 00:01:19,910 --> 00:01:22,170 Is Uganda all about Idi Amin? 23 00:01:22,450 --> 00:01:25,010 Wow, this is genuinely amazing. 24 00:01:25,490 --> 00:01:27,830 Is Rwanda more than the horrors of the genital? 25 00:01:28,090 --> 00:01:32,670 Oh, my God, I can't believe this. Is Madagascar full of animated talking 26 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:33,990 and singing lemurs? 27 00:01:34,410 --> 00:01:38,810 Can we just say all species of lemurs, just in case we offend any lemurs? 28 00:01:42,540 --> 00:01:45,380 The Misadventures of Romesh Ranganathan. 29 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:07,900 I began my odyssey in Kampala, capital of Uganda, a landlocked country of some 30 00:02:07,900 --> 00:02:09,600 45 million people. 31 00:02:10,009 --> 00:02:12,950 once described by Winston Churchill as the Pearl of Africa. 32 00:02:17,050 --> 00:02:20,610 Before coming here, I sort of felt like I got sort of acclimatised to African 33 00:02:20,610 --> 00:02:25,190 cities and how busy and hectic they are, but this is a level above. I mean, it's 34 00:02:25,190 --> 00:02:26,190 proper mad. 35 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:29,450 Can you sort of explain how the traffic works? 36 00:02:30,130 --> 00:02:33,890 Basically, the system is whoever's got the sharpest elbows gets in first. 37 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:37,630 It could do, if I'm being honest with you, I'm not a city planner, a couple of 38 00:02:37,630 --> 00:02:38,630 roundabouts maybe. 39 00:02:38,940 --> 00:02:41,980 And what's going on there? Well, there's been a collision between a motorbike 40 00:02:41,980 --> 00:02:46,940 and a bicycle containing some sort of unspecified vegetable, and now they're 41 00:02:46,940 --> 00:02:48,000 having an argument about it. 42 00:02:48,420 --> 00:02:51,380 I'll be honest with you, I feel like filming it is only going to aggravate 43 00:02:51,380 --> 00:02:52,980 situation, but listen, it's your choice. 44 00:02:54,260 --> 00:02:56,180 So what are your preconceptions of Uganda? 45 00:02:56,620 --> 00:03:00,660 When I think of Uganda, I think of Idi Amin, because we were so invested in 46 00:03:00,660 --> 00:03:04,000 story, it's such a big thing, he was such a big character, what he did. 47 00:03:04,740 --> 00:03:07,400 And then, you know, you know very little about the country since then. 48 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,420 And so that is kind of what you come into this thinking about and maybe the 49 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:13,420 ongoing legacy of that. 50 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:16,740 But then the other thing is, between us deciding to come here and us actually 51 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:21,760 arriving, Uganda has just passed a load of essentially anti -gay laws and 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,760 legislation. 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:28,940 So, you know, that's something that I'm hoping to kind of chew on during my time 54 00:03:28,940 --> 00:03:29,899 here. 55 00:03:29,900 --> 00:03:34,540 My co -host Alex has told me that I'm going to meet her somewhere here because 56 00:03:34,540 --> 00:03:37,200 think she thinks that one of my things I'd like to do here is have a panic 57 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,200 attack. 58 00:03:38,850 --> 00:03:42,750 I'm sort of this far away from just going down there and screaming Alex at 59 00:03:42,750 --> 00:03:45,150 top of my lungs and seeing if she responds. 60 00:03:46,070 --> 00:03:47,070 Alex! 61 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:49,810 Alex! 62 00:03:51,950 --> 00:03:53,190 Oh, no, it's different Alex. 63 00:03:53,470 --> 00:03:55,390 I'm looking for Alex. 64 00:03:55,710 --> 00:03:56,710 You haven't seen her, have you? 65 00:03:57,290 --> 00:03:58,930 Alex? Alex. Yeah. 66 00:03:59,230 --> 00:04:01,730 I don't know Alex. OK, all right, no worries, man. Thank you. 67 00:04:02,970 --> 00:04:07,550 I eventually located Alex, a 32 -year -old born and raised in Kampala. 68 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,060 In the middle of a bus station. 69 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,020 I mean, she wasn't raised in a bus station. 70 00:04:11,260 --> 00:04:12,600 That's just where I caught up with her. 71 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,980 Roman! Alex, how are you? Fine, thank you. 72 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,800 Oh, OK, let's do it. Great, let's do it. I didn't know whether to do that or 73 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,019 not. How are you? No, it's a Ugandan thing. Oh, is it? You meet people and 74 00:04:22,019 --> 00:04:24,440 give them a hug. Oh, OK. Welcome, welcome to Uganda. 75 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:26,460 I've only been here a short time. Yes. 76 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:30,460 It's been quite... I feel quite anxious. Why? 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,900 Well, because I reckon I've had a near -death experience 27 times since I've 78 00:04:35,900 --> 00:04:36,899 arrived. 79 00:04:36,900 --> 00:04:40,870 So... But in a good way, like everyone's friendly as they do it. Yeah, everybody 80 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:41,990 knows you're there, don't worry. 81 00:04:42,350 --> 00:04:45,270 Do they? They won't knock you. Okay, because they don't make any eye contact, 82 00:04:45,310 --> 00:04:48,310 they don't look like they know I'm there. No, subconsciously I think they 83 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:50,430 you're there. Okay, you promise? I promise. 84 00:04:51,810 --> 00:04:53,310 That's why my life is now in your hands. 85 00:04:53,630 --> 00:04:55,170 I'm just going to walk around not looking. 86 00:04:55,530 --> 00:04:58,430 No, please do look. Oh, do look, okay. Yes, please do look, because you never 87 00:04:58,430 --> 00:04:59,430 know what happens, right? 88 00:04:59,650 --> 00:05:03,550 So, the only thing I know about Uganda, or as soon as you say Uganda to me, I 89 00:05:03,550 --> 00:05:04,550 think Idi Amin. 90 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,460 Basically, I'm an open book. Yeah. I'm ready to find out all about it. Yeah. So 91 00:05:09,460 --> 00:05:13,340 what's the best way? How are we going to start it? To get here, I took a bike 92 00:05:13,340 --> 00:05:16,420 because driving here, I'd be late. So bike's the quickest? 93 00:05:16,820 --> 00:05:17,980 Bike's the quickest. Okay. 94 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,880 Not the most safe, but it's the quickest. So it's quick but dangerous. 95 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:23,600 That's my nickname at school. 96 00:05:29,550 --> 00:05:33,730 Alex told me we would spend a week venturing around Uganda, experiencing 97 00:05:33,730 --> 00:05:38,590 staggering array of epic landscapes, incredible wildlife, learning about its 98 00:05:38,590 --> 00:05:43,010 troubled past and addressing its modern complexity. But we would start with a 99 00:05:43,010 --> 00:05:47,430 terrifying trip across town on a boda boda, a sort of death -defying cross 100 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:49,950 between a taxi ride and human pinball. 101 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,660 Uganda's capital has ballooned from just 167 ,000 people when it became 102 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:10,020 independent in 1962 to 1 .6 million people today, most of them apparently 103 00:06:10,020 --> 00:06:11,020 on injuring me. 104 00:06:11,580 --> 00:06:15,640 I was eventually allowed off the bike to take a stroll up the ancient Mengo 105 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,900 Hill, once home to the royal family. 106 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,840 So this region was ruled by the Uganda. 107 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:24,080 Uganda. Uganda. 108 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,460 Uganda kingdom is where the Uganda people. 109 00:06:28,090 --> 00:06:29,370 Uganda people from the Uganda kingdom? 110 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:33,710 Yes, sir. And so that's where Uganda got its name. It was a mispronunciation. 111 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:38,990 The British mispronounced it. Okay, I'm originally... Yeah, you guys did, yeah. 112 00:06:39,170 --> 00:06:42,350 Us guys? Listen, I'm originally Sri Lankan. Oh, right. Okay, so the British 113 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:43,990 mispronounced it. But listen, I'm as angry about it as you are. 114 00:06:44,990 --> 00:06:51,070 So... It was a mispronunciation. So hold on, so somebody said this is Buganda, 115 00:06:51,290 --> 00:06:53,310 and then he went, you mean Uganda? 116 00:06:53,670 --> 00:06:56,650 Yes, because in Swahili they don't have a boot. 117 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 A bee. 118 00:06:58,020 --> 00:06:59,700 I'm actually a princess of Uganda. 119 00:07:00,420 --> 00:07:02,960 So when I say my name, people know. 120 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,359 You're a princess? 121 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:05,199 Yes, I am. 122 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,080 So the king, I call him uncle. 123 00:07:07,300 --> 00:07:11,900 Are you joking? No, I'm not. You're a princess? I'm showing you our lovely 124 00:07:12,220 --> 00:07:15,440 Does that mean, does your lifestyle have to be more traditional than it 125 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,440 otherwise would have been? 126 00:07:16,540 --> 00:07:18,560 Yes, they expect it. Really? 127 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,680 Luckily, they don't pick our partners anymore. So they used to pick your 128 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,760 partners? Yes. 129 00:07:23,820 --> 00:07:27,500 tell people what to do like will you always get whatever table you want no no 130 00:07:27,500 --> 00:07:33,580 no no so i would say that the because my father is not the king right i am 131 00:07:33,580 --> 00:07:38,600 royalty but his children would get the special treatment live in the palace and 132 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,160 things like that do you get anything like a discount or anything at all no 133 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:48,230 there's quite a number of princesses okay how many are we talking Many. More 134 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:50,990 than I can count. Like, more than you can count? More than I can count. How 135 00:07:50,990 --> 00:07:54,510 can you count? That sort of determines how big a number that is. If you can 136 00:07:54,510 --> 00:07:57,690 count to nine... I guess how many in Uganda, that's a lot. OK. 137 00:07:58,370 --> 00:07:59,430 Like a thousand? 138 00:08:00,430 --> 00:08:02,910 More than a thousand. More than a thousand. There's more than a thousand 139 00:08:02,910 --> 00:08:03,910 princesses. 140 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:17,810 Alex explained that although the royal family's role is now largely ceremonial, 141 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:21,290 the Bugandan kings have ruled here since the early 14th century. 142 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:22,890 This is the Mango Palace. 143 00:08:23,210 --> 00:08:29,930 Those lions at the top, just like the lion is the king of the jungle, the 144 00:08:29,930 --> 00:08:31,370 king is the most revered. 145 00:08:33,049 --> 00:08:37,890 After independence, Buganda retained semi -autonomous status, but all that 146 00:08:37,890 --> 00:08:43,530 changed in 1966 when the president sent the Ugandan army, led by young Idi Amin, 147 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,880 To storm the hill. 148 00:08:45,420 --> 00:08:51,420 So the troops ran up this hill and they went into the palace after the king. To 149 00:08:51,420 --> 00:08:55,580 get rid of the king. To get rid of the king. So the troops ran into the palace 150 00:08:55,580 --> 00:09:01,320 and the king managed to escape and jump over the wall and get a taxi and went to 151 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,320 London. 152 00:09:02,980 --> 00:09:04,120 He got a taxi? 153 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:05,320 He did do, yes. 154 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,600 He jumped over the wall. So the troops are coming up the hill. 155 00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:11,300 He's in deep trouble. 156 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:16,270 Yes. I've got to get out of here. He jumps over the back wall, then... Taxi. 157 00:09:16,390 --> 00:09:19,730 London. And then the driver goes, that's going to cost loads. 158 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:21,970 I think so. And I bet you had to pay double time. 159 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:23,830 Yes, he must have. 160 00:09:26,010 --> 00:09:27,190 And then what happened to him in London? 161 00:09:28,570 --> 00:09:33,630 He stayed there three years and unfortunately died in exile. 162 00:09:37,900 --> 00:09:42,440 Okay, the damming endowment of London. Right, but the kingdom's still here. 163 00:09:42,620 --> 00:09:43,940 it looks beautiful. 164 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:45,300 Yes, it does. 165 00:09:45,420 --> 00:09:46,420 The Mengo Palace. 166 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,520 The next day, we drove out of Kampala, heading out to the River Nile for what 167 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,340 was promised to be a day of action and adventure on the water. 168 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,800 Are you, like, are you a proud Ugandan? 169 00:10:13,060 --> 00:10:16,380 I love it. I tell you why. There's never a dull moment. 170 00:10:16,660 --> 00:10:18,240 Yeah. I can guarantee it. 171 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:21,380 Ugandan... Well, I saw that just from that roundabout. 172 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,200 Everything is turned into something lovely. 173 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Which is general positive vibes. 174 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,280 Yeah. 175 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:29,960 So what exactly do you do? 176 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:36,180 I'm a programme manager for a consultancy company, education project, 177 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:37,900 So is that quite... 178 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,800 A prestigious job, then? 179 00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:42,420 It's a regular job, I think. 180 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,600 Jobs that people deem prestigious. 181 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,180 I like to be a doctor. It's a big deal here. 182 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Yeah. 183 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,460 When was the first time my mum wasn't going to become a doctor? 184 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:55,020 We had to have a sit -down chat. 185 00:10:55,380 --> 00:10:56,380 Oh! 186 00:10:56,680 --> 00:10:59,400 Can you explain, why didn't you want to be a doctor? 187 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,400 Well, first of all, I didn't want to. Second of all, I wasn't clever enough. 188 00:11:04,110 --> 00:11:08,130 So I'd say to her, you know, I could become a doctor, maybe one of those 189 00:11:08,130 --> 00:11:11,510 incompetent ones that's constantly getting food for, like, malpractice or 190 00:11:11,510 --> 00:11:12,870 whatever. Is that what you want? 191 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:19,090 We 192 00:11:19,090 --> 00:11:30,610 eventually 193 00:11:30,610 --> 00:11:33,590 arrived at Ginger, a few hours outside Kampala. 194 00:11:34,030 --> 00:11:38,170 a once tiny town which has thrived off the back of the spectacular whitewater 195 00:11:38,170 --> 00:11:40,810 rafting opportunities on offer along the Nile. 196 00:11:41,250 --> 00:11:42,490 How are you feeling about this? 197 00:11:43,070 --> 00:11:45,470 Scared. Scared? I thought you said good. 198 00:11:45,690 --> 00:11:48,470 The one sort of consolation is we both look cool. 199 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:50,570 Hello. Hello. 200 00:11:51,050 --> 00:11:52,029 You good? 201 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:53,030 I'm good. 202 00:11:53,550 --> 00:11:57,410 Alex decided to take us whitewater rafting because it turns out, completely 203 00:11:57,410 --> 00:12:00,910 unbeknownst to me, that Uganda apparently has some of the best 204 00:12:00,910 --> 00:12:02,530 rafting in the world. 205 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,260 Big J is the leader. 206 00:12:06,740 --> 00:12:09,400 So when you get in this boat here, you're going to sit like this. 207 00:12:09,820 --> 00:12:14,060 And I, myself, I'm going to be the back, giving all the instructions, tell you 208 00:12:14,060 --> 00:12:15,060 what to do. 209 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:16,500 Yes? Have you ever been injured? 210 00:12:17,780 --> 00:12:19,920 Myself? Yeah. Yeah, look at my teeth. 211 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:21,440 That was from doing this? 212 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,640 Yeah, because most of people... 213 00:12:24,060 --> 00:12:26,300 They get injured because of these. 214 00:12:26,680 --> 00:12:29,620 If you make them swung around, you're going to hurt somebody. 215 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,240 Hold on to your paddle. You hold on to your paddle. 216 00:12:35,100 --> 00:12:36,200 OK. Let's jump in. 217 00:12:37,500 --> 00:12:38,500 You're joking. 218 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,680 This is the part I cannot do. 219 00:12:45,140 --> 00:12:46,540 Come on, come in. 220 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,740 Alex's big problem was that she didn't trust the life jacket. 221 00:12:51,250 --> 00:12:53,830 I believe she thought she was just wearing a jacket. 222 00:12:57,150 --> 00:12:58,150 You'll be fine. 223 00:12:58,270 --> 00:12:59,750 Can I hold you? Come over. 224 00:13:00,250 --> 00:13:03,750 Just slide, slide like that. Yeah, perfect. 225 00:13:04,330 --> 00:13:08,550 Let her go on the boat. You fall in the water, you're underwater for five 226 00:13:08,550 --> 00:13:11,530 seconds, then you come up, and then they pull you on like a massive fish. 227 00:13:11,730 --> 00:13:15,070 You essentially, in order to survive, have to act dead. 228 00:13:15,990 --> 00:13:17,110 That's the irony of it. 229 00:13:17,770 --> 00:13:18,770 OK. 230 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:21,790 Everybody back on your seat. Get on your position. 231 00:13:22,490 --> 00:13:26,130 When you have that kind of fear, you know, she can go... If she's then going 232 00:13:26,130 --> 00:13:29,610 overcome that fear and do it, it's an amazing thing. You can put some Adele on 233 00:13:29,610 --> 00:13:31,630 underneath or whatever and it's going to be like a really cool moment. 234 00:13:31,950 --> 00:13:34,110 This one is deep enough, no rock. 235 00:13:34,370 --> 00:13:35,229 No rock. 236 00:13:35,230 --> 00:13:38,210 There's no way you're going to hit a rock in case you fell out of the boat. 237 00:13:38,490 --> 00:13:40,010 It hadn't even occurred to me that there'd be rocks. 238 00:13:40,990 --> 00:13:41,990 Don't say it, man. 239 00:13:42,070 --> 00:13:45,650 There's six grades or levels, if you like, of rappers that you can go 240 00:13:46,510 --> 00:13:49,550 So level one is like very low grades, like somebody fighting in a bathtub. 241 00:13:54,570 --> 00:14:01,270 Level two is 242 00:14:01,270 --> 00:14:03,890 two people fighting in a bathtub. 243 00:14:05,650 --> 00:14:12,530 Three is, I guess, like a large animal fighting 244 00:14:12,530 --> 00:14:13,530 in a bathtub. 245 00:14:13,790 --> 00:14:15,610 Anyway, the point is that they get stronger. 246 00:14:26,719 --> 00:14:30,300 Alex found the whole thing really nerve -wracking. But despite all of that, fair 247 00:14:30,300 --> 00:14:34,160 play to her. She did two of the rapids and she just, you know, she ducked out, 248 00:14:34,220 --> 00:14:37,120 like, for the second half of it. I totally understand. I can't believe she 249 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,120 the first two rapids. 250 00:14:40,140 --> 00:14:43,460 Turns out she made the best decision of her life because the next one, a grade 251 00:14:43,460 --> 00:14:44,620 four, was insane. 252 00:14:44,980 --> 00:14:48,780 I felt like praying to God to send my best wishes to my wife and children. 253 00:14:57,270 --> 00:14:58,270 Get down! 254 00:15:03,270 --> 00:15:07,050 Get up and paddle! 255 00:15:07,570 --> 00:15:08,570 Get up and paddle! 256 00:15:08,810 --> 00:15:10,330 Get up and paddle! 257 00:15:11,010 --> 00:15:12,890 He's saying paddle. There's no water there. 258 00:15:13,350 --> 00:15:14,350 The wave's here. 259 00:15:14,930 --> 00:15:17,530 What do you want me to do? Paddle in front of my face? And then, like, he's 260 00:15:17,530 --> 00:15:18,530 screaming. 261 00:15:19,090 --> 00:15:20,330 Paddle, paddle, paddle! 262 00:15:21,150 --> 00:15:22,470 Faster, faster, harder! 263 00:15:23,450 --> 00:15:24,510 Fucking hell! 264 00:15:33,950 --> 00:15:36,110 This feels like a fucking anxiety dream. 265 00:15:36,950 --> 00:15:38,410 I actually thought I was going to die. 266 00:15:40,770 --> 00:15:42,910 There is a thick. 267 00:15:43,230 --> 00:15:44,770 You never do a thick, basically. 268 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:47,090 If you look down there, you see the water splashing. 269 00:15:48,530 --> 00:15:50,670 No one go down this rapid. 270 00:15:51,670 --> 00:15:53,750 Never, ever, you never, ever do a thick. 271 00:15:54,090 --> 00:15:56,590 Unless, in the words of Big Jay, you want to die. 272 00:15:57,370 --> 00:15:58,530 So I'll come back next year. 273 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,040 Yeah, I think we've both learned a little something. 274 00:16:03,860 --> 00:16:07,980 I've learned that Uganda's got great whitewater rafting. You can have a great 275 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:11,660 time. And Alex has learned to sort of think about organising water -based 276 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:12,720 activities if you can't swim. 277 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:26,620 The next day, like explorers of old, we journeyed upstream to find the source of 278 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:27,620 this epic river. 279 00:16:28,030 --> 00:16:29,930 So this is the way to the source of the Nile? Yeah. 280 00:16:30,590 --> 00:16:33,530 Because it looks like the way to Mahatma Gandhi's statue meant home by a bank of 281 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:34,930 rovers. I'm just saying. 282 00:16:39,890 --> 00:16:43,910 For a period in the mid -19th century, the hunt for the origin of the world's 283 00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:48,730 longest river became a Victorian obsession, making household names of 284 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:52,790 who eventually pinpointed a spot here on the edge of Lake Victoria as the 285 00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:56,530 beginning of the longest, most majestic and most romantic... 286 00:16:56,940 --> 00:16:57,940 River on Earth. 287 00:17:17,140 --> 00:17:18,680 Is this the thoughts right now? 288 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:20,240 Yeah. 289 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:25,999 Mind ahead. 290 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,829 Oh, yeah. 291 00:17:26,829 --> 00:17:27,829 Thank you. 292 00:17:31,570 --> 00:17:32,690 Well, this is exciting. 293 00:17:35,790 --> 00:17:37,970 Success. Oh, wow. 294 00:17:39,650 --> 00:17:40,609 So this is it. 295 00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:42,670 This is it. Doesn't look like the start of anything, does it? 296 00:17:43,370 --> 00:17:45,170 You know what I mean? Yeah. You did something in the middle. 297 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:50,530 I mean, if you moved it 100 yards that way, nobody would notice. 298 00:17:51,290 --> 00:17:52,290 You know what I thought? 299 00:17:52,650 --> 00:17:53,650 Honestly. 300 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:57,610 When you hear about the source of a river, it's like the top of a mountain 301 00:17:57,610 --> 00:17:59,730 something. We'd be by a melting glacier. 302 00:17:59,970 --> 00:18:00,970 The Nile does here. 303 00:18:02,150 --> 00:18:04,930 Feels quite corporate, doesn't it? How do you feel about the beer sponsorship? 304 00:18:06,610 --> 00:18:07,950 They took advantage of the name. 305 00:18:08,910 --> 00:18:10,770 I think the river came first, didn't it? 306 00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:17,850 I've just got to say, what a magical experience to come to the source of the 307 00:18:17,850 --> 00:18:20,370 Nile, brought to you by Nile Special in association with Coca -Cola. 308 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,020 All right, she's going to get gifts. I'm going to buy a bead necklace or 309 00:18:25,020 --> 00:18:27,660 something. Yeah, the earrings are quite cute. Yeah, I'll have to get my ears 310 00:18:27,660 --> 00:18:28,840 pierced. Do you reckon he does that as well? 311 00:18:29,220 --> 00:18:31,280 Oh, this is Uganda. Anything is possible. 312 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,220 We doubled back on ourselves, heading west across a country that's the size of 313 00:18:43,220 --> 00:18:47,040 the UK, but somehow felt at least ten times bigger. 314 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,180 The plan was to explore some of Uganda's natural beauty. 315 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,380 taking in crater lakes formed by ancient volcanoes and its abundance of awe 316 00:18:55,380 --> 00:18:56,380 -inspiring wildlife. 317 00:18:56,740 --> 00:19:00,740 The mission that would involve, unfortunately for Alex, more water. 318 00:19:02,060 --> 00:19:05,440 Alex explained that although it's long since lived in the shadow of its more 319 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:09,940 popular neighbour Kenya, tourists are beginning to come back, drawn in by the 320 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:11,800 world -class wildlife spotting on offer. 321 00:19:13,380 --> 00:19:18,620 After an epic eight -hour drive, we entered Queen Elizabeth National Park, 322 00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:19,660 after Queen Elizabeth. 323 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:22,570 Oh, wow, look at this. 324 00:19:23,070 --> 00:19:24,910 It's pretty cool. Well done. 325 00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:28,010 You keep saying well done like a Ugandan. Do Ugandans say well done? 326 00:19:28,210 --> 00:19:28,649 Oh, extremely. 327 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:29,589 Well done. 328 00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:30,730 I haven't done anything. 329 00:19:31,470 --> 00:19:33,710 Maybe I've just got more Ugandan in me than I thought. 330 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:37,970 Oh, my. 331 00:19:38,410 --> 00:19:39,410 Wow. 332 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:44,230 The idea was to hike Shambura Gorge. 333 00:19:44,730 --> 00:19:49,250 Created millions of years ago by volcanic activity, it's an amazing 334 00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:50,250 biodiversity. 335 00:19:50,730 --> 00:19:55,830 crammed into a 12 -mile section 100 metres deep and home to a supposed 336 00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:56,830 of monkeys. 337 00:19:57,450 --> 00:20:02,190 So the gorge is teeming with life, right? There's lots of monkeys, 338 00:20:02,190 --> 00:20:04,890 kinds of birds. Uganda is known for that kind of birds. 339 00:20:05,170 --> 00:20:06,170 It looks unbelievable. 340 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:09,290 Yeah, I look forward to seeing it. I think the ranger's going to tell us more 341 00:20:09,290 --> 00:20:09,909 about it. 342 00:20:09,910 --> 00:20:11,110 OK, I'm very excited. 343 00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:13,750 Hello, Ruth. Hello. 344 00:20:14,230 --> 00:20:17,310 Nice meeting you. Thank you, Alec. Ruth is my name. 345 00:20:17,530 --> 00:20:19,430 Hello, Ramesh. Nice meeting you, Ramesh. 346 00:20:19,730 --> 00:20:24,370 We're about to hike through the gorge, hopefully taking in the various types of 347 00:20:24,370 --> 00:20:25,890 wildlife that the gorge has to offer. 348 00:20:26,290 --> 00:20:28,850 We're going to gorge ourselves on flora and fauna. 349 00:20:29,530 --> 00:20:30,870 I wish I hadn't said that. 350 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:34,650 But anyway, that's what we're doing. We're hiking through the gorge. 351 00:20:35,890 --> 00:20:40,070 Ramesh, are you OK there? I'm fine. I don't like downhill, really, as a rule. 352 00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:41,810 But I'm fine. 353 00:20:42,629 --> 00:20:44,670 Ruth, what do you have the gun for? 354 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:53,910 So how 355 00:20:53,910 --> 00:20:56,530 many chimpanzees are there here? 356 00:21:01,090 --> 00:21:06,110 What do you 357 00:21:06,110 --> 00:21:10,350 see, Ron? 358 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:16,230 I thought they saw something, but it was a tree. 359 00:21:16,910 --> 00:21:19,670 More facts about chimpanzees, that chimpanzees eat meat. 360 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:23,770 Do they? They do. And they do hunt other monkeys. 361 00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:25,270 What? 362 00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:26,550 Yes. 363 00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:28,080 I cannot believe that. 364 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,840 Hunting comes in at a certain period of the year. 365 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:37,360 And it is a planned arrangement that today we won't have meat. 366 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:41,520 So killing the monkey, they use these big trees. 367 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:46,080 They'll grab the monkey and hit his head on the branch. 368 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,540 So they are smart in a way that they do not want that monkey to die a painful 369 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:53,540 death. 370 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:58,510 They will hit his head, he will lose his senses, and then they will tear up. 371 00:21:58,910 --> 00:22:01,030 How is that not a painful death? 372 00:22:07,390 --> 00:22:10,530 Can you see anything, Ron? 373 00:22:13,170 --> 00:22:14,170 There's more space. 374 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:21,890 Chimpanzees. 375 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,900 So I prefer we walk back the same way we came. Because the chimpanzees are 376 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:30,900 inviting us. 377 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 They're inviting us? They are letting us know that we are going in the wrong 378 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,080 direction. 379 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:42,880 Apparently the chimpanzees, we've said they're communicating to 380 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,040 let us know we're going the wrong way. 381 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Fucking hell. 382 00:22:50,340 --> 00:22:51,420 I've got a bump now. 383 00:22:57,130 --> 00:22:57,989 What are you doing? 384 00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:58,990 The chimps. 385 00:22:59,050 --> 00:23:00,130 The chimps? Yeah. 386 00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:10,170 Ruth thinks that she's figured out roughly where the chimpanzees are. 387 00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:13,110 But, um, they're very clever. 388 00:23:13,630 --> 00:23:18,770 So it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they just thought, 389 00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:20,490 lead these three twats on a merry chimp chase? 390 00:23:25,170 --> 00:23:26,370 Where are you heading on to now? 391 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:33,210 I guess it'll be through some more trees and then on to the Crater Lake, which 392 00:23:33,210 --> 00:23:37,370 has an incredible amount of pressure on it, I would say. 393 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:43,710 If I turn up at the Crater Lake and Kendrick Lamar's not doing a gig, 394 00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:47,350 I'll be absolutely furious. 395 00:23:49,050 --> 00:23:54,890 Or what would be an amazing end to this is we get to the Crater Lake and all the 396 00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:56,050 animals from here are waiting there. 397 00:23:58,060 --> 00:23:59,320 I'm going to just go, surprise! 398 00:24:06,180 --> 00:24:10,820 Eventually, we emerged from the gorge and hobbled towards the twin lakes of 399 00:24:10,820 --> 00:24:12,220 Kaima and Kamweru. 400 00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:14,600 Oh, my God. 401 00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:16,260 Wow. 402 00:24:25,870 --> 00:24:30,450 They were formed by a volcanic eruption at some point between 400 and 12 ,000 403 00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:32,590 years ago, depending on who you believe. 404 00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:37,330 This is the escapement, the western wall of the Rift Valley. 405 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:39,410 This is incredible. 406 00:24:39,850 --> 00:24:40,850 Is it worth it now? 407 00:24:41,070 --> 00:24:42,070 Yeah, this is actually. 408 00:24:43,290 --> 00:24:44,290 It's absolutely amazing. 409 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:47,730 Ruth, thank you so much for looking after us today. Please, it has been a 410 00:24:47,730 --> 00:24:50,310 pleasure. It's genuinely stunning. 411 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,240 We headed further north, careering across the equator and heading deeper 412 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,240 rural Uganda. 413 00:25:06,660 --> 00:25:09,400 Alex explained that the country is still highly religious. 414 00:25:09,820 --> 00:25:15,220 81 % of the Christian population attend church every week, and society is built 415 00:25:15,220 --> 00:25:18,200 on a bedrock of highly traditional, conservative faith. 416 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,220 Where do you sit in the scale of... 417 00:25:24,699 --> 00:25:28,240 your generation of people. Are you quite more traditional than the average 418 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,800 person of your age or less or about the same, would you say? 419 00:25:31,500 --> 00:25:33,820 I think I'm a bit more traditional. 420 00:25:34,140 --> 00:25:35,140 Right. 421 00:25:37,500 --> 00:25:41,540 But again, people from the royal family were expected to behave in a way you... 422 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:46,740 to protect... protect its norms, protect its values. Yeah. A lot. 423 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,160 I'm old school. 424 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:49,280 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 425 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,640 So do you look at, like, the fight in the UK and feel like it's lost its way a 426 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,399 little bit then? 427 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,380 Is that kind of...? Yeah. Yeah. I think so. 428 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,440 In terms of what? 429 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,080 Because I think, you know, a lot of people in the UK would agree with you, 430 00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:05,180 I mean, what's your kind of take on it? 431 00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:12,420 OK, from what we see on social media and we see that there's a 432 00:26:12,420 --> 00:26:16,960 lot more acceptance for people acting on how they feel. 433 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,980 Right. Which, for us, your feelings are valid, but they're not the most 434 00:26:22,980 --> 00:26:23,980 important thing. 435 00:26:24,620 --> 00:26:31,060 Okay. So society has rules, so to say, and we abide by them. 436 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,220 Okay. So what you mean by that is... Men and men. 437 00:26:35,420 --> 00:26:36,960 Men and men and women and women. Women and women. 438 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,400 You don't overcomplicate it. It's basics. 439 00:26:40,620 --> 00:26:41,620 Just the basics. 440 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:49,200 If you... Would you ever be in a relationship where the man was the one 441 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040 stayed home and looked after the children and you were the one that went 442 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,080 worked? No. No? 443 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,750 No. I think that he would not be happy. 444 00:26:56,110 --> 00:26:58,510 Okay. With me being the one that's bringing the money home. 445 00:26:59,010 --> 00:27:01,050 I don't think he would. And I would not be happy. 446 00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:05,510 I mean, speaking personally, I'd be delighted. 447 00:27:05,850 --> 00:27:06,649 You would? 448 00:27:06,650 --> 00:27:07,650 I think so. 449 00:27:07,690 --> 00:27:08,690 Well, why are you not doing it now? 450 00:27:09,250 --> 00:27:13,170 Because my wife is terrible at comedy. 451 00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:15,110 Oh, don't. 452 00:27:21,490 --> 00:27:24,360 That evening at the hotel, We had a drink at the bar. 453 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,700 As amazing as Uganda had been so far, I was aware that there was an elephant in 454 00:27:29,700 --> 00:27:30,539 the room. 455 00:27:30,540 --> 00:27:32,920 Uganda's new so -called anti -gay laws. 456 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,000 The legislation, which passed a few weeks before I arrived, outlaws 457 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,480 homosexuality and punishes anybody promoting it with a prison sentence of 458 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,780 20 years, or potentially even the death penalty. 459 00:27:46,420 --> 00:27:50,140 The laws have been described as some of the harshest of their kind anywhere on 460 00:27:50,140 --> 00:27:51,140 the planet. 461 00:27:51,180 --> 00:27:53,860 But I wanted to find out what the Ugandan perspective was. 462 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:02,220 So, between us deciding to come to Uganda and make this show, 463 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:06,740 and us arriving in Uganda to make this show, a new set of laws and legislation 464 00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:07,740 were put in place. 465 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:12,800 So I guess my first question would be, how popular is that? 466 00:28:13,020 --> 00:28:15,640 I think it represents what we believe as a people. 467 00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:17,020 OK. 468 00:28:17,420 --> 00:28:20,360 That women marry men. 469 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,360 That's it. 470 00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:23,580 There's no in -between. 471 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,320 It comes from a religious thing, right? And a cultural thing. 472 00:28:27,980 --> 00:28:33,120 And actually, people were happy when the president signed the bill. 473 00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:34,580 I was for it. 474 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,700 For full clarity, I'm coming from a country that has a completely different 475 00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:44,840 attitude to that. And also, my own personal views are different. I'm giving 476 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,460 idea of what my bias is in this. What is your bias, if I may ask? 477 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:53,880 My belief is that it's no more a choice to be homosexual than it is to be a 478 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,180 choice to be heterosexual. 479 00:28:55,580 --> 00:29:02,580 So you're saying, in my opinion, I want to make it illegal for you to be 480 00:29:02,580 --> 00:29:03,580 who you are. 481 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,160 It's the same thing as saying to me, we're going to make it illegal to be 482 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000 Do you know what I mean? 483 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,840 That's kind of how I see it. 484 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,300 How do you feel about the idea that... 485 00:29:16,510 --> 00:29:19,430 They have no choice about who they are. I think you do. 486 00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:20,750 You think so? Yes, please. 487 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:24,550 So you think, in your opinion, every gay person has chosen to be gay? 488 00:29:26,030 --> 00:29:27,830 I mean, how else are they gay? 489 00:29:28,270 --> 00:29:29,930 Well, I didn't choose to be heterosexual. 490 00:29:30,150 --> 00:29:31,950 I am heterosexual by nature. 491 00:29:32,190 --> 00:29:34,730 Yeah. I don't believe there's any difference for homosexual people. 492 00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:36,750 I think they're a bit different. 493 00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,570 Sex is not something that you tell children. 494 00:29:39,790 --> 00:29:40,970 It's not something that's open. 495 00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:42,850 We don't do that. 496 00:29:43,090 --> 00:29:45,850 We had incidents where books were taken to schools. 497 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,720 Right. In the library. 498 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,440 And that caused an outrage. 499 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,500 And so the Ministry of Education said, we won't be having this in the school. 500 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:54,900 So that's what happened. 501 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480 The first thing was to protect children. Okay. 502 00:29:57,860 --> 00:29:59,360 Protect children from what, though? 503 00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:01,720 From that kind of content. 504 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,380 Let's assume that homosexuality is a choice. 505 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:07,540 What's wrong with letting people make that choice? 506 00:30:08,020 --> 00:30:13,080 Do we allow people to make all choices? They just make the choices they feel? 507 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,680 Well, I mean, within limit. 508 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,080 Exactly. This is a limit. 509 00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:21,040 We have guardrails in everything. 510 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:22,920 I think it's okay. 511 00:30:23,460 --> 00:30:30,220 No offense, but I feel like in the West, your guardrails are very wide 512 00:30:30,220 --> 00:30:31,640 in the UK. 513 00:30:32,020 --> 00:30:36,220 They are told it's normal, right? In Uganda, they will be told it's not 514 00:30:36,980 --> 00:30:38,540 That's the difference. 515 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,060 So there must be lots of people in homosexual relationships. 516 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,610 Lots? Yeah, I would say lots. 517 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:51,810 I have never in my life met a homosexual couple. 518 00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:53,530 I've never met it. 519 00:30:53,750 --> 00:31:00,610 Never ever? Never. Okay. I think that if you became really close 520 00:31:00,610 --> 00:31:04,590 friends with somebody and then you later on discovered that they were homosexual 521 00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:09,990 and then this law was passed, I think you'd have a different attitude to it. 522 00:31:10,290 --> 00:31:11,290 I don't think so. 523 00:31:11,950 --> 00:31:14,890 If you like... I would, as a person, I would love them. 524 00:31:15,390 --> 00:31:18,590 I still don't agree with what they're doing, but I love them. Okay, but then 525 00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:21,710 would you support them going to prison for 20 years for being who they are? 526 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:24,110 Is that who they are? 527 00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:25,910 That is who they are. 528 00:31:26,190 --> 00:31:27,390 Oh, that's who they've chosen to be. 529 00:31:27,610 --> 00:31:32,310 I think the fundamental difference between what my viewpoint is and what 530 00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:35,070 viewpoint is and where we're never going to meet, regardless of what we think 531 00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:39,830 about the treatment of this, is that I don't believe it's a choice and you do. 532 00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:41,110 Yes. 533 00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:43,270 And that is kind of the crux of the problem. 534 00:31:45,550 --> 00:31:50,610 Yes. Alex's insistence that this law has widespread support does seem to be 535 00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:51,449 broadly true. 536 00:31:51,450 --> 00:31:56,710 Only one MP voted against it in Parliament, with 371 in favour. 537 00:31:57,270 --> 00:32:04,270 I put a question that the anti -homosexuality bill 2023 be read the 538 00:32:04,270 --> 00:32:08,510 time and do pass those in favour stand to a contrary name. 539 00:32:10,050 --> 00:32:11,710 The ayes have it. 540 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840 I got that the country is religious and that that would have shaped opinions, 541 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,440 but clearly some Ugandans feel otherwise. 542 00:32:19,820 --> 00:32:23,660 Although it was hard to find anyone able to speak openly on the subject, I did 543 00:32:23,660 --> 00:32:28,140 manage to contact an activist from Uganda's LGBTQ community to try and 544 00:32:28,140 --> 00:32:30,720 understand what life is like for gay people in modern Uganda. 545 00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:34,040 Her voice has been distorted to protect her identity. 546 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:35,980 Hello there, it's Romesh here. 547 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,740 So how are you feeling at the moment with everything that's going on, the new 548 00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:42,740 laws that have passed? 549 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,740 Before this bill was passed, what was life like for the gay community in 550 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:39,780 So you're saying they've basically linked homosexuality with child abuse. 551 00:33:40,140 --> 00:33:41,540 Do people believe this? 552 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:58,040 For lesbians, there's also another component of sexual violence that they 553 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,560 because corrective rape is very common. 554 00:34:01,420 --> 00:34:06,780 Right. So many times groups of men will rape a lesbian couple or a lesbian woman 555 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:11,159 because they're assuming you like other women because you don't know what it 556 00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:12,400 feels like to be with a man. 557 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,580 And right now, to be honest, that is my biggest fear at this moment. 558 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,840 A lot of rape is going to happen to us. 559 00:34:19,580 --> 00:34:20,940 It sounds so awful. 560 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:28,179 How do you feel about people visiting Uganda with this way of life in place, 561 00:34:28,219 --> 00:34:31,260 with this kind of thing going on? I mean, how do you feel about that whole 562 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:32,260 thing? 563 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:42,320 You know, 564 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,560 the honest truth is I find it incredibly upsetting. 565 00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:56,130 I just, my heart goes out to people I can't even imagine. 566 00:34:56,630 --> 00:35:02,010 If you are a member of the gay community or a supporter of the gay community, 567 00:35:02,130 --> 00:35:05,290 your life here is incredibly challenging. 568 00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:10,070 People feel empowered to be homophobic because they're backed up by law. 569 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:12,110 It's horrible. It's disgusting. 570 00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:17,490 I mean, when I came to the country, I was hoping that... 571 00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:20,630 I could somehow kind of justify what's happened with these new laws and that 572 00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:24,150 they hadn't been supported and this is something that people are up in arms 573 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:28,230 about. But having spoken to Alex, who I think is fairly typical of the views in 574 00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:34,810 this country, I think not only is it a well -supported law, I think it's a 575 00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:35,810 celebrated one. 576 00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:39,590 I mean, the truth is that I really get on with Alex. She's been an amazing 577 00:35:40,250 --> 00:35:45,130 She's been a really effusive and... 578 00:35:45,580 --> 00:35:47,660 energetic advocate for Uganda as a country. 579 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:52,880 But the fact of the matter is we are fundamentally opposed in our sets of 580 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,120 And it's not coming from a bad place with her. It's coming from a place where 581 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,860 she feels family is important and she wants it to be protected. 582 00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:05,960 I also feel family is important and I want it to be protected. But what our 583 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,720 views are, what families look like, are completely different. And we'll never 584 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:09,720 agree on that. 585 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:13,820 It's left me feeling like I'm not really sure how I feel about Uganda. 586 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,120 You know, I've had nice experiences, I've got on with Alex, but it's 587 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,200 I'm just going to have to ponder over the next few days, I think. 588 00:36:48,020 --> 00:36:52,680 The next morning, we headed further into the Ugandan countryside in the 589 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,140 direction of Murchison National Park to experience more of rural Uganda. 590 00:36:57,700 --> 00:37:01,520 We popped along to the village and we did like a... I would describe it as a 591 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,820 smorgasbord of village activities. 592 00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:08,170 The first one was to meet up with a man whose family has been responsible for 593 00:37:08,170 --> 00:37:11,670 providing the village with banana -based beverages. 594 00:37:12,250 --> 00:37:13,750 Hello, sir. You are welcome. 595 00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:16,430 Thank you. Hello, how are you? I'm good. I'm Ramesh. 596 00:37:16,670 --> 00:37:18,070 I'm Mugabe Robert. 597 00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:20,710 Nice to meet you. His name was Mugabe Robert. 598 00:37:21,470 --> 00:37:23,070 I'll let you figure out who he's named after. 599 00:37:24,330 --> 00:37:27,510 It takes like 15 minutes. 600 00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:30,390 There are three stages to those beverages. 601 00:37:30,990 --> 00:37:32,130 First is banana juice. 602 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,750 When you distill that, you get yourself banana beer. 603 00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:36,750 Distill that again, you get yourself banana gin. 604 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:38,270 No muscle, no juice. 605 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:39,870 Oh, no muscle, no juice. 606 00:37:40,930 --> 00:37:43,910 So there's an art to it. 607 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:46,850 Put your shoulder in it, like this, like this. 608 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:50,650 Absolute banana carnage. 609 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:53,350 The way you make banana juice is you squash some bananas. 610 00:37:54,130 --> 00:37:55,130 Oh! 611 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:57,410 Loads of muscle, loads of juice. 612 00:37:57,730 --> 00:37:58,730 And you add water to it. 613 00:37:59,130 --> 00:38:01,270 You then get banana leaf and use that to make a banana filter. 614 00:38:01,730 --> 00:38:05,290 You pull the banana liquid through the banana filter into a banana juice jar, 615 00:38:05,530 --> 00:38:07,690 and that, my friend, is banana juice. 616 00:38:08,410 --> 00:38:12,990 And I would describe that taste as a lot like bananas with water. And then you 617 00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:17,070 distill that and it becomes banana beer. Thank you, that'll do. Cheers, Mugabe 618 00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:19,050 Robert. For us here, we say bonga. 619 00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:20,510 Bonga! 620 00:38:20,650 --> 00:38:21,650 Bonga. Bonga. 621 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:23,470 Oh, you've already started? OK. 622 00:38:23,830 --> 00:38:26,810 And I'd describe that taste as a lot like bananas with water and mud. 623 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:33,180 And then finally, that is distilled again to make the banana gin. Bonga! 624 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,900 Then I'll describe that as bananas with fire. 625 00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:40,580 Woo! 626 00:38:43,140 --> 00:38:47,260 You sort of get an initial banana -y taste, and then you feel like, I would 627 00:38:47,260 --> 00:38:48,940 describe it as an intense chemical burn. 628 00:38:51,300 --> 00:38:56,220 It felt like it undone all of the Yakult I'd drunk in my life. 629 00:38:57,980 --> 00:38:59,900 There's literally nothing left inside me. 630 00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:02,000 Take a sip, just. 631 00:39:03,340 --> 00:39:04,340 And sip. 632 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,060 Oh, I should have knocked it back like a heathen, didn't I? Sorry. 633 00:39:12,260 --> 00:39:13,600 Do you want to make some juice? 634 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,920 No, it's fine, it's fine. I like it. I like it uncut. 635 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,760 It killed not only bacteria, but emotions and feelings. 636 00:39:21,240 --> 00:39:22,440 I've not felt anything since. 637 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,000 Bonga! You've got a half measure there, mate. 638 00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:33,970 That is good stuff, man. 639 00:39:34,210 --> 00:39:35,210 Congratulations. 640 00:39:35,670 --> 00:39:37,890 I am battered. How many fingers? 641 00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:43,290 I couldn't tell you that even without being drunk. 642 00:39:45,170 --> 00:39:46,170 Wow, okay. 643 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:47,670 That's enough. 644 00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:51,770 This is dangerous. 645 00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:53,430 I was licked. 646 00:39:54,450 --> 00:39:55,850 I was banana split. 647 00:39:56,730 --> 00:40:00,390 I was absolutely hammered. And I was so drunk. 648 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,260 that I thought, this can't be how I'm going to feel going forward. This must 649 00:40:04,260 --> 00:40:08,340 like an initial banana buzz, and then I'm going to overcome it. But no, that 650 00:40:08,340 --> 00:40:13,320 how I felt for the rest of my day in the village. It did not subside at all. 651 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,900 Hey, I'm Ramesh. 652 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,580 Anit. Anit. 653 00:40:20,220 --> 00:40:21,220 OK, hello. 654 00:40:21,620 --> 00:40:27,280 The idea of sort of starting the day with nine tots of banana gin and 655 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,400 it with needlework... 656 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,120 It doesn't seem that smart to me, but that is what we did. 657 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:38,520 It has to go through the... OK. 658 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:43,780 If anybody wants to have a go at basket weaving, do it sober would be my tip. 659 00:40:44,300 --> 00:40:46,520 Tell me, can you tell the bit where I started? Yes, please. 660 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,760 Put some energy into it. It has to be tight, man. 661 00:40:54,500 --> 00:40:56,720 This is bad, isn't it? It's not so bad. 662 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:58,600 It's bad, isn't it? 663 00:41:02,009 --> 00:41:04,570 I asked her to check my work and she undid everything I'd done. 664 00:41:07,650 --> 00:41:10,530 I can't even see this, let alone myself, mate. 665 00:41:11,570 --> 00:41:14,730 Three weeks of work from Annette, seven minutes of work from Romesh to 666 00:41:14,730 --> 00:41:17,590 completely ruin it, and then I had to go and meet a herbalist. I thought, that's 667 00:41:17,590 --> 00:41:18,590 the last thing I need. 668 00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:26,650 Would you mind giving some examples of what some people in the village have 669 00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:28,390 to you, what kind of problems they've come to you with? 670 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:41,580 And how does the, just I'm picking one at random, how does the Viagra work on 671 00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:42,580 the body? 672 00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:52,120 There's a root that if you grind it into a powder and add it to your coffee or 673 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,040 your tea, it makes you fiercely sexual. 674 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,260 He sort of said, you know, you can take this, it's going to give you an 675 00:41:57,260 --> 00:41:58,340 erection, but... 676 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,240 Once you get that erection, you've got to do something with it. 677 00:42:00,580 --> 00:42:03,240 Do you know what I mean? Like, otherwise it's a wasted hard -on. 678 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,480 Why would you take it if you're not going to have sex? 679 00:42:06,060 --> 00:42:08,320 I guess if you just wanted to, I don't know, if you wanted to change your 680 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:09,320 shadow. 681 00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:11,680 If you wanted to... 682 00:42:31,720 --> 00:42:36,280 We took another especially long drive north, long enough even for me to 683 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:37,280 from the banana beer. 684 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:42,740 We eventually arrived at our final destination, Murchison National Park, 685 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:46,140 an embarrassment of wild animals and spectacular waterfalls. 686 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:51,260 First, though, we headed over to the ruins of an old hunting lodge, once home 687 00:42:51,260 --> 00:42:53,700 the country's notorious dictator, Idi Amin. 688 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,320 What is the perception of Idi Amin in Uganda? 689 00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:01,280 When you say Idi Amin, at least for me, I know... 690 00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:02,990 Many people died. Right. 691 00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:05,150 Right. So it's not positive. 692 00:43:05,490 --> 00:43:06,510 That's for sure. Yeah. 693 00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:09,690 It doesn't come up much in chat. No, he does not. 694 00:43:10,590 --> 00:43:14,230 He's sort of seen as the ultimate kind of mad dictator. Do you know what I 695 00:43:14,370 --> 00:43:18,930 Like in terms of like, obviously he did a lot of stuff, but just he did a lot of 696 00:43:18,930 --> 00:43:23,250 stuff that was like kind of just a bit wacky. He challenged the president of 697 00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:26,030 Tanzania to a boxing match. Yeah. That was funny. 698 00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:27,670 And then he said. 699 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,740 Muhammad Ali would be the referee, winner. 700 00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:32,740 I'm sure Muhammad Ali said, wow. 701 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:38,740 A former British soldier, Idi Amin became president of Uganda after a coup 702 00:43:38,740 --> 00:43:42,740 1971. So, help me God. 703 00:43:43,060 --> 00:43:46,920 At first welcomed as one of a new breed of outward -looking modern African 704 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,620 leaders, Amin's reign quickly descended into a brutal mixture of bloodletting 705 00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:52,620 and farce. 706 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,940 His idiosyncratic style has become legendary. 707 00:44:09,180 --> 00:44:13,880 He declared himself the King of Scotland and launched the Save Britain Fund to 708 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,680 help with the UK's financial woes. 709 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,300 In 1972, he ordered that all Asians must leave the country within 90 days. 710 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,420 An apparently popular move... that served to collapse the entire economy 711 00:44:27,420 --> 00:44:29,760 isolate his regime in the eyes of the world. 712 00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,680 What will happen to these people if they don't go by the time then? 713 00:44:34,860 --> 00:44:37,960 I think they will be sitting like they are sitting on the fire. 714 00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:41,400 I will tell you this. You just wait after three months. 715 00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:42,638 What will you do to them? 716 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,840 OK, you will see. 717 00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:48,000 By 1974, he was engaged in a reign of terror. 718 00:44:49,420 --> 00:44:51,980 Rumours swelled of cannibalism and madness. 719 00:44:52,410 --> 00:44:54,690 as 300 ,000 people were killed. 720 00:44:55,210 --> 00:45:00,990 In a desperate attempt to forge national unity, in 1978, Amin started a war with 721 00:45:00,990 --> 00:45:02,010 neighbouring Tanzania. 722 00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:06,830 The strategy failed, and Amin was driven into exile in Saudi Arabia, where he 723 00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:08,450 eventually died in 2003. 724 00:45:10,510 --> 00:45:14,410 He was survived by his six wives and 43 children. 725 00:45:15,770 --> 00:45:19,490 He's quite a colourful dude. You'd almost like him if it wasn't for the 726 00:45:19,490 --> 00:45:22,590 that... He did a load of horrible stuff when he was in charge. 727 00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:25,870 I've got this name here, right? This is what he called himself. 728 00:45:26,110 --> 00:45:32,830 Okay. So Idi Amin called himself His Excellency, President for Life, 729 00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:39,850 Field Marshal Al -Hajji Dr. Idi Amin Dada, VC, DSO, MC, Lord of all the 730 00:45:39,850 --> 00:45:43,530 of the earth and fishes of the seas, and conqueror of the British Empire in 731 00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:45,570 Africa in general and Uganda in particular. 732 00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:48,590 Well... I mean, what do you think of that? I mean, some of those claims are 733 00:45:48,590 --> 00:45:49,590 true. He had humour. 734 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,020 Well, yes, he was, uh... I mean, part of it sounds like the tagline of a Marvel 735 00:45:53,020 --> 00:45:54,020 film. 736 00:45:54,740 --> 00:45:56,180 What would your title be? 737 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,440 Um... Yeah. Princess of Uganda. 738 00:45:59,820 --> 00:46:01,660 Yeah. And Uganda in general. 739 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,520 Might as well. Yeah, yeah. Lover of Jeans. Yeah. Lover of Jeans. 740 00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:07,940 And Meat. 741 00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:12,180 Yeah. I love meat. I think mine would be Romesh Ranganathan. 742 00:46:12,420 --> 00:46:14,040 Uh -huh. Vegan father. 743 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:17,120 Oh. Husband to disappointed wife. 744 00:46:17,620 --> 00:46:18,680 Ruler of comedy. 745 00:46:19,310 --> 00:46:20,770 In Britain and Crawley in particular. 746 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:26,090 And purveyor of lazy eye. There you go. 747 00:46:27,870 --> 00:46:31,710 He did other things that were a bit strange, so to speak. 748 00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:36,570 Yeah. People weren't allowed to walk on the street in slippers. 749 00:46:38,090 --> 00:46:40,890 Yeah. And so they were made to eat them. 750 00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:45,690 Okay, well, I mean, apart from the eating thing, I do sort of agree with 751 00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:54,430 Hello. Hello. 752 00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:57,330 You're most welcome, sir. 753 00:46:57,610 --> 00:47:00,090 Thank you very much. Yes, my name is Silva. 754 00:47:00,330 --> 00:47:04,310 We met a ranger who'd agreed to show us what remained of Idi Amin's game lodge 755 00:47:04,310 --> 00:47:06,490 and ensure we didn't get eaten in the process. 756 00:47:06,850 --> 00:47:11,330 Me and my colleague just checked a few minutes back to make sure we are safe 757 00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:14,590 walking there. We saw like prints for Leopard. 758 00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:20,830 But we made sure we checked every corner of the structure, and we didn't find 759 00:47:20,830 --> 00:47:25,410 any. So we are safe to move there. Hey, can we walk there? Yes, after you. 760 00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:30,050 Seeing lots of concrete, it used to be such a powerful lodge. 761 00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:31,470 What happened to it? 762 00:47:31,690 --> 00:47:34,310 This one was looted, and in the process... 763 00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:35,620 There was no control. 764 00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,500 This lodge just caught fire. And it's how it got destroyed. 765 00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:41,720 Yes, you can step down. 766 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,120 Down here? 767 00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:47,040 Okay. It was actually one of the most beautiful lodges in the park. 768 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,720 Did Amin come to this lodge? 769 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,820 Yes, there is actually another point where he wanted to put the headquarters 770 00:47:53,820 --> 00:47:54,820 his district. 771 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:06,640 So we've talked a bit about Idi Amin and the sillier things, his long name, you 772 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,440 know, some of the things he got up to. But there is a much darker side to what 773 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,560 he did. During his time in power, 300 ,000 people died. 774 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,380 Do you know people who lost family members during his time? 775 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,800 I mean, the king who was exiled. 776 00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:28,500 Amin wasn't the president then, but he was really in charge of the army that 777 00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:30,280 came to attack our... 778 00:48:32,279 --> 00:48:36,440 palace, so that is the closest relationship I have. 779 00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:41,080 But my mum told me it was difficult when Idi Amin was president. She was working 780 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:41,859 in government. 781 00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:47,780 People disappeared, people died, so you had to be careful, is what I remember 782 00:48:47,780 --> 00:48:48,578 her saying. 783 00:48:48,580 --> 00:48:51,280 And can I ask you a question and give me an honest answer? I won't get offended. 784 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:52,480 I will try. 785 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,160 Is it slightly annoying for you? 786 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,140 That for somebody that wasn't even alive at the time, you're now having to field 787 00:48:59,140 --> 00:49:01,520 questions about Idi Amin because I want to find out about Uganda. 788 00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:04,920 I mean, is that something that you thought I would ask you about? Is that 789 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,960 something you think, why the hell is he asking you about this? 790 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,620 It was such a long time ago. 791 00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:13,320 Everybody I meet only knows Idi Amin. 792 00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:16,020 Like when you say I'm from Uganda, oh, Idi Amin. 793 00:49:17,350 --> 00:49:21,290 We've had so many presidents between him and now we have a president that has 794 00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:24,510 been here for a long time We do have an Asian community. We've got Asian 795 00:49:24,510 --> 00:49:28,470 businessmen that have been here for a while But the really interesting thing 796 00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:33,330 after Idi Amin left It didn't get any better. It got worse. There was a civil 797 00:49:33,330 --> 00:49:38,250 war, lots of wars, killings Uganda wasn't a fun place to live. 798 00:49:38,490 --> 00:49:39,730 I don't know how my mom made it. 799 00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:45,850 And what do you think of the state of Uganda now in terms of how it's being 800 00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:46,850 and stuff? 801 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:50,060 There's always an opportunity to do better. When you came in, you saw all 802 00:49:50,060 --> 00:49:55,060 potholes. I think we could do better in governance, just administration of our 803 00:49:55,060 --> 00:50:00,520 resources to make sure we maintain what we have. I think we could do better. 804 00:50:00,740 --> 00:50:02,520 Having the oil is really great for our country. 805 00:50:03,340 --> 00:50:06,400 There's challenges that come with having so much oil. 806 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,160 But I think it's a good thing we have these additional resources because our 807 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,500 government has been trying to diversify income, and this is one of the ways. 808 00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:16,240 We do have peace. 809 00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:23,640 which, according to people who are older than me, is... I mean, they always say, 810 00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:29,480 you don't know what you have until you lose it, right? So for them, having 811 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,200 is enough. 812 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,160 Yeah. By comparison. 813 00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:34,500 Yeah. 814 00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:39,180 I don't think there'll ever come a time when we'll completely draw a line and 815 00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:40,720 forget about it. It's just not possible. 816 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:45,080 But there will come a time where... 817 00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:47,420 It's not the main issue. 818 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,500 It's not the main point of discussion. 819 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,620 I do hope that is good. 820 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,020 I think it will be. 821 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:59,600 If we do a part two to this, you know, if I ever come back to do another 822 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,940 Show, my first question will be, tell me about Lake Victoria. 823 00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:04,319 You promise? 824 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,740 I won't even mention Idi Amin. Good. 825 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,620 Okay. Unless they uncover something new about him. 826 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,640 in which case it would be my duty on behalf of the BBC. 827 00:51:38,220 --> 00:51:41,800 As the final stage of our journey, Alex had arranged for us to visit the world's 828 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,060 famous Murchison Falls from a boat. Something for the crocodiles to chew on. 829 00:51:45,140 --> 00:51:46,140 Right. 830 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,600 Journeying upriver whilst dodging the numerous deadly animals on the shore, 831 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,020 which would lie perhaps in wait. 832 00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:18,450 how fast do they swim People in water, they can get up to 7 .8 kilometers per 833 00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:23,210 hour. On land, 30 .2. On land, they're quite fat. 834 00:52:23,770 --> 00:52:27,310 That's annoying, because I'm 7 .7 in the water and 30 .1 on the land. 835 00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:29,630 After a while, they would catch me. 836 00:52:30,030 --> 00:52:31,490 Real shame. Let's get out of here. 837 00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:48,140 Holy shit. 838 00:52:48,580 --> 00:52:50,160 How close are we going to get to this? 839 00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:59,260 They can get up to five to six metres long, and they can live up to 100 years. 840 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,540 It's always part of, you know, once you've done perfect, you see it's alive. 841 00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:05,920 Try. Try and throw something. 842 00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:10,060 Oh, it's moving. It's heading towards the crew boat. 843 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,920 Cool, it's disappeared. 844 00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:14,600 Let's get the fuck out of here. 845 00:53:24,140 --> 00:53:25,500 Oh, my God, I love elephants, man. 846 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,300 Look at that. 847 00:53:39,540 --> 00:53:41,100 Wow. Wow. 848 00:53:42,580 --> 00:53:43,580 Whoa. 849 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,520 That is crazy, isn't it? 850 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,760 These falls, sometimes known as the Caballega Falls, are arguably the most 851 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:03,900 spectacular thing that happens to the Nile during its 4 ,000 -mile journey, as 852 00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:08,380 the enormous river is forced through a gap just seven meters wide, plummeting 853 00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:12,180 down 141 feet before heading out west to Lake Albert. 854 00:54:12,380 --> 00:54:16,740 It has been described, by people who are almost certainly wrong, as the world's 855 00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:18,100 most powerful waterfall. 856 00:54:20,740 --> 00:54:21,740 Wow. 857 00:54:23,180 --> 00:54:24,320 This is incredible. 858 00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,580 It feels a bit threatening to me. 859 00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:31,200 Like, oh my God, I'm going to get you, that kind of thing. 860 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,040 Wow. Come on now. 861 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,240 Yeah. 862 00:54:36,500 --> 00:54:37,740 Welcome to Maction Falls. 863 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:39,100 This is amazing. 864 00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:40,340 It is. 865 00:54:40,500 --> 00:54:42,200 It gets really intense. I don't know. 866 00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:46,400 Thank you so much. I mean, I know you didn't make this, but... You're welcome. 867 00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:50,370 This is category shit yourself and die. Die. 868 00:54:51,210 --> 00:54:52,290 Genuinely amazing. 869 00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:54,790 Have you got your swim stuff? 870 00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:03,130 When I 871 00:55:03,130 --> 00:55:13,470 first 872 00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:16,740 came here, I knew nothing about this country, really, just the idea I mean. 873 00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:22,780 But Uganda has got a handful of once -in -a -lifetime experiences. It's got all 874 00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:26,980 of the stuff that I was sort of expecting in terms of natural beauty, 875 00:55:27,460 --> 00:55:29,740 but it's got that and then some. 876 00:55:29,940 --> 00:55:32,960 For those things alone, it's been an amazing experience. 877 00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:36,540 And on top of that, people are fantastic. 878 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:41,620 Everybody, pretty universally, is friendly and welcoming and they give you 879 00:55:41,620 --> 00:55:43,940 feeling that they're delighted to see you in the country. 880 00:55:47,220 --> 00:55:50,340 So what I mean, you're just doing a little piece of camera and off it pops 881 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,940 That's what it's like here. It's like being in Narnia. 882 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,420 There's amazing wildlife. 883 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,880 It's just set up beautifully for you to come and have a visit. 884 00:55:57,940 --> 00:56:03,780 On the other hand, you've got a country that has just passed what I would 885 00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:08,220 describe as a disgusting law that has widespread support, violence against 886 00:56:08,220 --> 00:56:09,220 people from the... 887 00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:13,150 from the gay community is essentially being sanctioned and being supported. 888 00:56:13,150 --> 00:56:14,150 horrific. 889 00:56:14,970 --> 00:56:20,250 The question is, would I visit this country knowing all of that? 890 00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:24,910 And the truth is, despite all of the wonderful things that Uganda has to 891 00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:27,310 I don't think I could. 892 00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:30,990 I don't think I can wholeheartedly recommend this as a place to come. 893 00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:34,610 I've made my opinion, but I think that is up to you. 894 00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:37,630 It's a matter of whether you can come here knowing that that's in place. 895 00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:41,080 You've got an amazing country that has loads to offer. The people are 896 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:45,640 friendly. And so I think it's up to everybody to make their own personal 897 00:56:49,860 --> 00:56:52,240 Next on our trip, I'm off to Rwanda. 898 00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:54,780 I'm very, very excited about it. 899 00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,840 That's on the one hand. On the other hand, we are one third through the trip, 900 00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,420 and I'm absolutely exhausted. 901 00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:03,860 I'm very grateful. Thank you so much. 902 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:06,240 Enjoy Rwanda. 903 00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:07,420 I will do. 904 00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:12,460 I would say that these chats are going to be slightly lower energy as we go 905 00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:13,460 forward. 906 00:57:13,660 --> 00:57:17,320 By the time we get to Madagascar, I'm going to have to get someone else to do 907 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,320 them. 908 00:57:23,660 --> 00:57:24,660 Oh, my. 909 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:30,359 Too close. 910 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,760 Too close, too close, too close. 911 00:57:37,130 --> 00:57:38,130 It's good shit. 912 00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:47,010 Get close to all that good stuff now. Watch the whole series on iPlayer. For 913 00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:51,030 more sedate adventuring, join Rob and Rylan as they delight in art, history 914 00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:51,848 dressing up. 915 00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:54,210 Press red and join the grand tour on iPlayer. 916 00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:58,710 Now then, gird your loins, for we are headed inside number nine next. 917 00:57:58,970 --> 00:58:01,430 What murky japes await, you may ask. 918 00:58:01,770 --> 00:58:03,730 But I didn't say I'd answer. 74858

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