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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:11,980 --> 00:00:14,180 There was no real discussion of killing. 2 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:18,460 It just seems like it was an automatic thing that would happen. 3 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:23,860 There was always a spirit of the moment thing. There was never any planning 4 00:00:23,860 --> 00:00:24,860 beforehand. 5 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:51,190 Welcome to Very Scary People. I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 6 00:00:51,410 --> 00:00:56,870 Los Angeles, California in the 1970s was a place where dreams were made, in the 7 00:00:56,870 --> 00:00:58,730 movie studios and on the beaches. 8 00:00:59,010 --> 00:01:04,690 But in the fall of 1977, over a period of four months, the city was terrorized 9 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:08,930 by a predator, hunting young women and displaying their dead bodies in public. 10 00:01:09,310 --> 00:01:13,750 Despite a massive police effort to find the killer, the body count kept rising. 11 00:01:14,490 --> 00:01:18,590 The terrifying murder spree would go down as one of the most notorious in U 12 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:21,830 history. This is The Hillside Stranglers. 13 00:01:37,070 --> 00:01:41,710 Christina Weckler was a 20 -year -old art student, talented girl. 14 00:01:42,220 --> 00:01:48,200 Everyone described her as studious and quiet, a real sweetheart. 15 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:54,700 She lived on her own, and she and a friend, another student at the Art 16 00:01:54,700 --> 00:01:59,500 Institute, both single women in L .A., they kind of made like a pinky swear, 17 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,120 let's keep each other safe. 18 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,240 So they made a promise to each other to be there just in case. 19 00:02:12,140 --> 00:02:17,860 On a Monday morning, when Christina didn't show up for her class as she 20 00:02:17,860 --> 00:02:23,560 would, her friend became very, very alarmed. This is not like Christina at 21 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,600 This is out of character. 22 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:33,820 So the friend drove over to Christina's apartment and found Christina's 23 00:02:33,820 --> 00:02:38,240 Volkswagen was parked in its usual spot. So she thought, well, maybe she's just 24 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,240 sick. 25 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:46,150 She went up to Christina's apartment door and knocked, and there wasn't any 26 00:02:46,150 --> 00:02:47,150 answer. 27 00:02:48,190 --> 00:02:50,890 Now she's starting to get really worried. 28 00:02:51,410 --> 00:02:54,830 So she went and cornered the apartment manager. 29 00:02:55,590 --> 00:02:57,150 He opens the apartment. 30 00:02:57,630 --> 00:03:01,530 They go in, and everything looks normal. 31 00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:06,270 Her art supplies are out. Her bed is turned down. 32 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:11,940 There's no evidence of any kind of... or any kind of violence in the apartment. 33 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:18,120 The really eerie thing is that Christina is not there. 34 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:30,080 The body of Christina Weckler was found. 35 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:32,880 And things got even thicker. 36 00:03:33,340 --> 00:03:38,360 There were marks of sexual assault. She'd been violently sexually assaulted. 37 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:40,450 And just dumped. 38 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:48,230 There were marks on her arms, like maybe an IV drug 39 00:03:48,230 --> 00:03:52,190 user. But that didn't fit Christina's personality at all. 40 00:03:52,610 --> 00:03:55,950 It was my understanding that she was not a drug addict or involved in drug 41 00:03:55,950 --> 00:03:56,950 activity. 42 00:03:59,230 --> 00:04:00,930 There was a knock at her door. 43 00:04:01,730 --> 00:04:04,830 It was a former neighbor of hers. 44 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:11,840 And he said, Something's happened to your car, and I think you better come 45 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,080 and take a look at it. 46 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:14,860 So she did. 47 00:04:16,860 --> 00:04:21,500 She was driven to a house where she was dragged around and tied up. 48 00:04:24,140 --> 00:04:28,580 She was injected with a substance usually used to clean windows. 49 00:04:29,180 --> 00:04:32,800 Which caused her to go into violent convulsions. 50 00:04:35,020 --> 00:04:36,560 But she didn't die. 51 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:44,090 She was dragged into the kitchen and a plastic bag put over her head and a gas 52 00:04:44,090 --> 00:04:46,150 pipe put into the bag. 53 00:04:47,230 --> 00:04:54,010 She's gasping for air. The bag is going in and out as the gas is being 54 00:04:54,010 --> 00:04:55,150 pumped into it. 55 00:04:56,410 --> 00:05:02,710 So in the course of however long she was in captivity there, she was injected. 56 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:08,750 with a cleaning substance, and she was gassed before she was finally killed. 57 00:05:08,990 --> 00:05:12,610 And it was by means of a cord wrapped around the neck. 58 00:05:14,270 --> 00:05:16,890 Death must have seemed a mercy for her. 59 00:05:18,390 --> 00:05:23,050 Christina was just one of the many victims of the Hillside Stranglers. 60 00:05:26,550 --> 00:05:28,810 Some people had puncture marks. 61 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:31,270 Some had burns on their hands. 62 00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:33,570 They were tortured. 63 00:05:36,230 --> 00:05:39,790 People were being taken off the streets and turning out murdered in some very 64 00:05:39,790 --> 00:05:40,790 horrendous ways. 65 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:42,570 Everyone is going crazy. 66 00:05:43,150 --> 00:05:47,330 Police knew they were dealing with a real sicko out there. Are we dealing 67 00:05:47,330 --> 00:05:50,310 someone with a medical background because the bodies were all cleaned? 68 00:05:51,130 --> 00:05:53,830 No one knew. It was getting stranger by the week. 69 00:05:54,050 --> 00:05:55,770 It was extremely alarming. 70 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:59,550 And no solution to the series of murders appears to be in sight. 71 00:05:59,950 --> 00:06:02,430 We were defenseless. Who will be the next victim? 72 00:06:03,250 --> 00:06:04,390 Where will they be found? 73 00:06:05,030 --> 00:06:06,350 Will it be someone I know? 74 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:08,550 It was a crazy, crazy time. 75 00:06:11,270 --> 00:06:16,030 The 1970s in Los Angeles was pretty much wide open. 76 00:06:16,850 --> 00:06:21,030 So there were a lot of people on the street, especially in Hollywood, because 77 00:06:21,030 --> 00:06:22,490 there were a lot of nightclubs there. 78 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:26,630 A lot of social activities, a lot of concerts, rock and roll, very lazy fare. 79 00:06:28,970 --> 00:06:32,170 It was also a much more trusting era. 80 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:35,230 A lot of people were hitchhiking. 81 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:42,390 Now parents don't even let their children walk down one block to school 82 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:43,389 an escort. 83 00:06:43,390 --> 00:06:45,370 I think it was just a different time. 84 00:06:46,070 --> 00:06:49,710 And there was still that element of sexual revolution. 85 00:06:49,970 --> 00:06:56,810 And so women were behaving in ways that they hadn't done in earlier years. 86 00:06:57,180 --> 00:07:02,300 I think women felt a lot more comfortable walking down the street. And 87 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,240 free time. It was a little post the hippie era. 88 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:09,100 It was going to the beach. It was a party atmosphere in Los Angeles. 89 00:07:09,420 --> 00:07:11,900 It was a have no fear period of time. 90 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,540 But it was about to be overshadowed by tragedy. 91 00:07:14,980 --> 00:07:21,000 In late 1977, bodies of young women start turning up around Los Angeles. 92 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,220 19 -year -old Yolanda Washington's body was found on the slopes of Forest Lawn 93 00:07:40,220 --> 00:07:45,660 Cemetery. A prostitute had been murdered and dropped off naked on a hillside. 94 00:07:46,780 --> 00:07:49,640 There were ligature marks on her, and her body was clean. 95 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:54,240 But in a rather sad commentary, maybe on our society, it didn't receive that 96 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,920 much news coverage because she was a prostitute, another day, another murder 97 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,920 L .A. 98 00:08:00,490 --> 00:08:06,510 I became involved in researching prostitution as a graduate student at 99 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:08,350 that's how I met Yolanda Washington. 100 00:08:10,210 --> 00:08:15,890 Yolanda Washington was a beautiful, young, African -American woman who was 101 00:08:15,890 --> 00:08:20,530 slim and very sweet and very endearing. 102 00:08:20,810 --> 00:08:25,190 She had a three -year -old child at home. She was trying hard to get off the 103 00:08:25,190 --> 00:08:29,550 streets, also working as a waitress and did a little bit of prostitution work. 104 00:08:31,850 --> 00:08:34,750 She did a number of things in order to support her baby. 105 00:08:37,090 --> 00:08:40,110 Her friends called me and said, we know who killed her. 106 00:08:40,630 --> 00:08:45,570 And I said, well, what happened? And they said she'd stolen a car from her 107 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:48,510 who was a dope dealer and had a lot of drugs in the trunk, and they're sure 108 00:08:48,510 --> 00:08:51,750 he had killed her, which turned out not to be the case. 109 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,660 Not too long after that, there was a homicide. It was the morning after 110 00:09:01,660 --> 00:09:04,060 Halloween, November 1st, 1977. 111 00:09:05,420 --> 00:09:10,500 A young girl, her body was found posed naked on a front lawn of a house in an 112 00:09:10,500 --> 00:09:13,240 area that doesn't have any crime, and it's very remote. 113 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,520 It's just a few blocks from the junior high school that I had attended. 114 00:09:16,940 --> 00:09:21,560 This wasn't something that happened in our neighborhood, absolutely positively 115 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,600 unheard of. 116 00:09:23,860 --> 00:09:25,800 Judith Miller, that's the one that... 117 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:27,540 That alarmed and unhinged everybody. 118 00:09:28,740 --> 00:09:30,880 Judy Miller went to Hollywood High School. 119 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,700 She was considered a runaway street child. 120 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:40,220 Body was face up and actually a neighbor put a tarp over the body before the 121 00:09:40,220 --> 00:09:44,220 police even arrived to hide it from neighborhood school kids going to 122 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:49,300 Police later find a witness who says that he saw Judy Miller. 123 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,440 Getting into a car with a man outside Carney's restaurant in West Hollywood. 124 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:59,100 But that was all the guy knew, and it didn't give investigators much to work 125 00:09:59,100 --> 00:10:00,100 with. 126 00:10:03,020 --> 00:10:07,120 Then several days after that, we had a murder in the city of Glendale. 127 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,060 Elisa Katzen was a member of a dance troupe called the L .A. Knockers. 128 00:10:12,420 --> 00:10:13,680 The L .A. Knockers. 129 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,660 fit in with the disco scene of dancing on roller skates and the happy period 130 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:20,600 during that time in Southern California. 131 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,840 Her body was found on an embankment near the Glendale Country Club. 132 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:35,280 Once again, raped, tortured, rope marks on her, body had been cleaned. 133 00:10:36,140 --> 00:10:37,340 That's when it hit us. 134 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,160 There's a strangler out there. 135 00:10:42,830 --> 00:10:45,150 Many of the young women are scared out of their minds. 136 00:10:45,390 --> 00:10:49,710 We're young people. We've not experienced something like this anywhere 137 00:10:49,710 --> 00:10:50,790 life's history. 138 00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:53,610 This series of murders was completely foreign to us. 139 00:10:54,010 --> 00:10:57,450 There was all this talk about we all need to stick together. 140 00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:01,190 Lisa Kafton wasn't a prostitute. 141 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:06,530 She looked at it as this middle -class tragedy, whereas the other victims were 142 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:09,990 portrayed as having this inappropriate lifestyle and therefore... 143 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:15,460 I think were easier to dismiss in terms of any patterns of possible serial 144 00:11:15,460 --> 00:11:20,160 murder. And in some ways, you could probably argue that this is where the 145 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,680 turning point happens, where the police begin to get pressure to form a task 146 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:29,240 force. We're starting to pay attention a lot more to what is going on. And then 147 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:34,240 shortly thereafter, other bodies started popping up. And then more and more and 148 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,820 more bodies, all women, all showed up on hillsides. 149 00:11:38,220 --> 00:11:40,180 in fairly close proximity to one another. 150 00:11:40,560 --> 00:11:46,980 There turned out, though, to be certain traits that the body had been moved. 151 00:11:47,220 --> 00:11:50,660 Number one, usually a body is found near where they were killed. 152 00:11:51,340 --> 00:11:53,140 Number two, the ligature marks. 153 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,460 Number three, the cleaning of the bodies, which was extremely unusual. 154 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:04,060 Of course, news being news and profit being profit, news people came up with a 155 00:12:04,060 --> 00:12:06,480 scary moniker, the Hillside Strangler. 156 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:14,760 and it got the residents, particularly the women, in a state of panic because 157 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,700 nothing seems to tie these victims together. 158 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:23,040 They haven't got a lead on a killer. They have no idea what's going on. 159 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,780 Fear permeated the air of Southern California like an invisible poisonous 160 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,140 Women were scared for their lives. 161 00:12:30,340 --> 00:12:34,440 Men were scared for their wives and their daughters. It was a very 162 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:35,440 time. 163 00:12:37,130 --> 00:12:41,130 I had been married a year. My wife was a deputy sheriff. She carried a gun, and 164 00:12:41,130 --> 00:12:42,130 I still worried for her. 165 00:12:42,830 --> 00:12:46,450 Every police officer I know was working, was fearful for their families. 166 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:49,570 I graduated from high school in 1977. 167 00:12:49,910 --> 00:12:55,610 I went to work in retail in the Glendale Galleria. It was a very large shopping 168 00:12:55,610 --> 00:12:56,610 mall. 169 00:12:56,990 --> 00:12:59,190 By and large, the feeling was terror. 170 00:12:59,610 --> 00:13:03,510 All the employees were required to park in a specific section at the mall. 171 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,340 That both made things easier and a little more difficult. 172 00:13:08,460 --> 00:13:12,220 So somebody studying the women working at the mall, they knew where they would 173 00:13:12,220 --> 00:13:15,320 be transitioning to at the start of work and at the finish of work. 174 00:13:15,900 --> 00:13:20,940 Our store mandated that the male employees escort the women to and from 175 00:13:20,940 --> 00:13:25,760 cars. You look at what's going on in the U .S. in terms of serial murder. 176 00:13:26,180 --> 00:13:28,600 It was a very active time. 177 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,960 Theodore Bundy was a suspect in the sex -related murders or disappearance. 178 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:38,500 of more than 30 other women in four states between 1974 and 1978. 179 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,920 Gacy was convicted of the sex slangs of 33 young men. His seven -year killing 180 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,900 spree ended with the discovery of dozens of bodies buried under his home in 181 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:48,900 suburban Chicago. 182 00:13:49,140 --> 00:13:54,800 It was just a scenario where serial killing, for whatever reason, whether 183 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,600 because people were doing these copycat type of aspects or whether it was 184 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,590 just... the frustration of what was going on in society, and you have a lot 185 00:14:03,590 --> 00:14:07,090 men kind of going down this path of serial killing during that time. 186 00:14:26,330 --> 00:14:29,230 Dolores Cepeda and Sonya Johnson. 187 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,860 12 - and 14 -year -old girls took a bus from their home out to the Eagle Rock 188 00:14:35,860 --> 00:14:37,220 Plaza to go shopping. 189 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,660 Sonia, you can see that she looks just like on the cusp of womanhood, just kind 190 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:47,500 of getting there, but you can still see that gangly kid. 191 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,340 And Dolores, she's just flat -out a kid. 192 00:14:51,980 --> 00:14:55,700 They spent the better part of the day out there like teenage girls will do. 193 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,700 They caught the bus to come back. 194 00:14:59,530 --> 00:15:05,830 And what they didn't know is that they were being watched 195 00:15:05,830 --> 00:15:08,370 and they were being hunted. 196 00:15:09,970 --> 00:15:15,250 There was another passenger on the bus, and he's watching them get off the bus 197 00:15:15,250 --> 00:15:16,950 in the Eagle Rock area. 198 00:15:17,170 --> 00:15:24,070 He notices the girls go over to a two -tone car, and they sort 199 00:15:24,070 --> 00:15:27,550 of lean in on the passenger side, and they're talking to someone. 200 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,660 And then the bus pulls away, and he loses sight of them. 201 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,380 Dolores and Sonia weren't in the habit of not returning home when they said 202 00:15:40,380 --> 00:15:41,379 were going to be home. 203 00:15:41,380 --> 00:15:46,640 And so when they didn't show up after their shopping excursion, their families 204 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:48,820 are really concerned, and they're on it right away. 205 00:15:49,140 --> 00:15:50,620 They report them missing. 206 00:15:51,340 --> 00:15:55,820 They put their school pictures on flyers that they put up around the 207 00:15:55,820 --> 00:15:56,820 neighborhood. 208 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,120 A week later, a nine -year -old boy was rummaging through a trash dump near 209 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:06,120 Dodger Stadium. 210 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,360 He's going through a trash heap, and he comes on what he thinks may be 211 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,140 mannequins. As he got closer, he said that there were flies all over them, and 212 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:23,300 that's when he realized that something was wrong. 213 00:16:23,780 --> 00:16:28,160 It's Dolores and Sonia in garbage. 214 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:34,880 What really made this one hurt, they were just 12 - and 14 -year -old girls. 215 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,500 They were so small and so helpless. 216 00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:48,220 I mean, there's no way that any rational, reasonable person can 217 00:16:48,220 --> 00:16:52,060 that level of depravity. I don't see how any one of us could do it. 218 00:16:54,540 --> 00:16:57,620 Once the girls were found, police spoke to the boy. 219 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:59,660 who saw them exit the bus. 220 00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:05,420 He saw Dolores and Sonia go up to a car to the passenger side, which led them to 221 00:17:05,420 --> 00:17:07,940 believe that there were two people in the car. 222 00:17:08,300 --> 00:17:11,200 And you feel it would have had to have been two people to handle the two girls? 223 00:17:11,220 --> 00:17:14,440 Well, certainly, because Sonia was brought up that she didn't get into a 224 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,020 with anybody except me. 225 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,079 So she must have been forced into the car. Certainly. 226 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Regardless of whether or not the two girls were forced... 227 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,440 Detectives realized they were likely looking for two perpetrators. 228 00:17:29,100 --> 00:17:35,720 One thing that threw all of us off is a pair of serial killers is almost unheard 229 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,260 of. Serial killers are almost always one figure. 230 00:17:39,500 --> 00:17:41,700 Serial killers do not operate in pairs. 231 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,280 It is unique because when you study serial killers, we refer to those as 232 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,280 killers. 233 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:52,080 According to what data we have, I would say it's uncommon. 234 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,380 There was statements, badges had been flashed. Had a lot of concern. 235 00:17:58,180 --> 00:18:02,400 We weren't sure what we're looking at. Were they impersonating cops or were 236 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,400 cops? 237 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,580 A lot of my girlfriends would say, I saw a guy in a car. A guy tried to stop me 238 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:09,580 in a car. 239 00:18:09,940 --> 00:18:14,900 Women were so scared in Los Angeles and the police were so worried that it could 240 00:18:14,900 --> 00:18:19,820 be one of their own that they issued a statement that if a single woman was 241 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:24,200 driving in a car and a police officer tried to pull them over, that they 242 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,760 have to pull over. 243 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,240 They were free to drive to a lighted area where they felt safe. 244 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,200 That I don't think has ever been done. 245 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:37,920 As a theory circulated that the killers might be in law enforcement, the 246 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,320 daughter of a well -known celebrity was stopped by two men with badges. 247 00:18:42,340 --> 00:18:46,640 Actor Peter Lorre was famous primarily in the 30s and 40s. 248 00:18:47,180 --> 00:18:49,460 Catherine Lorre was a student. 249 00:18:50,120 --> 00:18:52,860 And she and a friend of hers were out in Hollywood. 250 00:18:53,380 --> 00:18:57,460 We got to about the middle of the street, and this car came around the 251 00:18:57,460 --> 00:19:03,280 and just cut us off, at which point two men got out of the car. Both of them 252 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,880 were just kind of flashing badges. 253 00:19:05,340 --> 00:19:07,240 They asked Catherine for her ID. 254 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:12,340 The first leaf of the wallet was pictures of my father and me. 255 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,800 So he started reading down the paper, and he got to the point at which he saw 256 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:19,880 the name Peter Lorre. 257 00:19:21,420 --> 00:19:26,540 At that point, they kind of were just hesitant, and they said, well, okay, you 258 00:19:26,540 --> 00:19:27,880 know, I guess that's all right. 259 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:33,480 I've done thousands of news stories in the 30 years that I worked in 260 00:19:33,900 --> 00:19:39,360 The one that stuck with me most was Catherine Lorre, just because how close 261 00:19:39,360 --> 00:19:42,440 came to death. 262 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,960 She just happened to pull that card out and say that she was Peter Lorre's 263 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,640 daughter and that it apparently froze them into inaction. 264 00:19:52,060 --> 00:19:57,720 They didn't want to get involved with that and let her go. And now two men had 265 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,620 been spotted by witnesses. 266 00:20:00,380 --> 00:20:05,060 Police officers and detectives were holding constant news conferences and 267 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:09,320 to put up with reporters shouting questions to them. Why can't you solve 268 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,640 case? Well. 269 00:20:11,490 --> 00:20:16,010 Solving a crime is hard, and no one was more frustrated than Clayton. 270 00:20:16,430 --> 00:20:19,150 We were clueless trying to solve this at this point. 271 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:27,690 Even though detectives had no leads, they started to notice a pattern. 272 00:20:28,350 --> 00:20:32,110 One of the things that came up in the case is you started looking at the way 273 00:20:32,110 --> 00:20:36,670 bodies were being dumped, and it was actually painting what I will call a 274 00:20:36,670 --> 00:20:39,510 semicircle or crescent around the city of Glendale. 275 00:20:39,740 --> 00:20:43,640 most of them found within a seven -mile radius of Griffith Park and the Golden 276 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,640 State Freeway. 277 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:48,520 My personal impression, that it was somebody from the city of Glendale that 278 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,140 trying to dump the bodies outside the city of Glendale so that it wouldn't 279 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:53,140 back to them. 280 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,800 The murders are mounting, the public is terrified, and police are facing 281 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,060 tremendous pressure to solve this case. 282 00:21:04,260 --> 00:21:07,980 The stranglers became bolder and bolder as time went on. 283 00:21:08,430 --> 00:21:11,550 It was like there was a statement being made here. 284 00:21:11,790 --> 00:21:15,750 This is what we think about women, and this is what we think about the city of 285 00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:16,750 Los Angeles. 286 00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:31,790 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 287 00:21:32,170 --> 00:21:33,850 By late November 1977. 288 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,840 The bodies of seven young women have been found, dumped on the hillsides of 289 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:39,840 Angeles. 290 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:44,300 Investigators have few, if any, leads, but the media has given the killer a 291 00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:46,400 name, the Hillside Strangler. 292 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,820 Some witnesses report that the crime seemed to be the work of more than one 293 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:56,060 and a terrifying theory begins circulating that the killer, or killers, 294 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:57,840 posing as members of law enforcement. 295 00:22:08,620 --> 00:22:12,760 The next body was found at a freeway off -ramp that I went on five days a week. 296 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,980 I admit, it was getting a little close to home. 297 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,380 Her body was left face up. 298 00:22:21,660 --> 00:22:23,580 Jane King was the oldest victim. 299 00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:26,500 She dabbled in Scientology. 300 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,360 She was apparently abducted from a bus stop outside the Scientology Center. 301 00:22:32,260 --> 00:22:33,600 The murders are mounting. 302 00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:35,220 The public is terrified. 303 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,580 And police are facing tremendous pressure to solve this case. 304 00:22:39,820 --> 00:22:44,280 What was kind of unique about this particular serial killing versus other 305 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,740 killings I've seen is the rapid rate of committing the murders. 306 00:22:49,940 --> 00:22:52,080 It was a tremendous amount. 307 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:58,560 The LAPD is getting a lot of heat from the public. Everyone is going crazy. So 308 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,340 they formed what was called the Hillside Strangler Task Force. 309 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,000 That was the LAPD. 310 00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:08,330 The Glendale Police Department and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. 311 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:12,510 So they could coordinate and look at all clues from one source. 312 00:23:13,030 --> 00:23:18,030 You've got to realize the county of Los Angeles is made up of 88 separate cities 313 00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:19,990 and plus unincorporated areas. 314 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:24,110 And when these occurred, you know, the Los Angeles Police Department, the Los 315 00:23:24,110 --> 00:23:26,810 Angeles Sheriff's Department, the Glendale Police Department all became 316 00:23:26,810 --> 00:23:29,370 extremely cooperative in forming this task force to come together. 317 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:32,780 and all the other agencies in the county would provide as much information and 318 00:23:32,780 --> 00:23:33,980 support as they could to it. 319 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:38,940 In the big cities, sadly, murders happen all the time. 320 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,840 Often bodies are found, and maybe it wasn't the hillside strangler. 321 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,020 The police had to be extremely careful, as did we in the media, to not 322 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:48,060 misidentify it. 323 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,260 We had a lot of clues coming in, a lot of different tips coming in from all 324 00:23:52,260 --> 00:23:53,260 kinds of people. 325 00:23:53,770 --> 00:23:58,350 You have to realize that time period, we didn't have computers to do analysis or 326 00:23:58,350 --> 00:23:59,350 maintain logs. 327 00:23:59,370 --> 00:24:01,290 Everything had to be handwritten and hand logged. 328 00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:03,730 Every clue, every tip that would come in. 329 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,630 We didn't have access to DNA. We couldn't just run fingerprints to an 330 00:24:07,630 --> 00:24:11,590 system. They were getting so many calls, they probably could not keep up with 331 00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:16,430 them. Making it even more difficult were that the victims were often completely 332 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:17,650 different kinds of people. 333 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:20,990 One could be a prostitute, one could be a straight -A student. 334 00:24:21,290 --> 00:24:25,150 They were different races, different ethnic groups, lived in different areas 335 00:24:25,150 --> 00:24:26,150 town. 336 00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:29,830 The task force couldn't work fast enough. 337 00:24:38,410 --> 00:24:44,950 Lauren Wagner was followed by the killers to in front of her own parents' 338 00:24:47,340 --> 00:24:54,340 A neighbor saw her arguing with two men and then heard her say, you won't get 339 00:24:54,340 --> 00:24:55,340 away with this. 340 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,300 Unfortunately, the neighbor didn't immediately report that. Like the other 341 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:04,580 victims, Lauren Wagner had been tortured by whoever had abducted her. 342 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:12,060 They decide to use a bit of electrical wire, which leaves marks on her hands. 343 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,080 They'd shock her. 344 00:25:13,420 --> 00:25:16,440 It doesn't kill her. It's just painful. 345 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,180 They're sadists, and that's what they want to do. 346 00:25:20,820 --> 00:25:26,780 And finally, not to put her out of her misery, they just strangle her to death. 347 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:43,100 Kimberly Martin was a lovely, young, 17 -year -old girl. Pretty, blue -eyed, 348 00:25:43,220 --> 00:25:44,280 blonde hair. 349 00:25:44,540 --> 00:25:45,720 She was a call girl. 350 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,760 And she had taken herself off the street because the strangler was out there, so 351 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,500 she was using an agency instead. 352 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,700 It wasn't enough to save her life. 353 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,540 When the police investigated the murder, they learned about an altercation she 354 00:26:03,540 --> 00:26:06,660 had at a Hollywood building the night she died. 355 00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:10,540 They questioned all the neighbors in the building. That included a guy named 356 00:26:10,540 --> 00:26:14,520 Kenneth Bianchi, who recently moved from Rochester, New York, to spend time with 357 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,319 his cousin. 358 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:20,700 When the police came to look for the escort that never came home, Bianchi 359 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,540 to them, jokes around and so on. 360 00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:25,360 And the police fill out the report and we're done. 361 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,460 Bianchi continued to follow every aspect of the Hillside Strangler case, 362 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,020 including stories about different suspects questioned by police. 363 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,980 After intensive investigation. 364 00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:48,560 The Los Angeles Police Department finally has booked a suspect in the 365 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:49,559 Strangler case. 366 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:55,880 We have arrested a man by the name of Ned T. York, male Caucasian. 367 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,860 Assistant Chief Daryl Gates met with newsmen shortly after the suspect was 368 00:27:00,860 --> 00:27:04,820 booked today and said York had made certain statements implicating himself. 369 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:09,740 If police had the right guy, the entire city of Los Angeles could take a 370 00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:10,800 collective buy -up release. 371 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:13,500 The question is... 372 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,040 It's Ned York, the Hillside Strangler. 373 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:32,280 In a story so typical of Hollywood, a small -time actor named Ned York 374 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,940 said he might be the Hillside Strangler. And he just comes out of nowhere. And 375 00:27:37,940 --> 00:27:41,940 the task force is hoping they can finally put people's fears to rest. 376 00:27:42,490 --> 00:27:44,690 But those hopes started to fade pretty quickly. 377 00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:48,630 When they first started questioning him, he was rambling incoherently. They 378 00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:50,450 weren't sure whether it was drugs or what. 379 00:27:50,890 --> 00:27:53,210 Finally, during the questioning, he fell asleep. 380 00:27:53,910 --> 00:27:55,490 Last we heard, he was still asleep. 381 00:27:58,030 --> 00:28:02,310 It turns out Ned York said he was on angel dust when he approached police. 382 00:28:02,910 --> 00:28:06,110 In fact, he had nothing to do with the Hillside Stranglers. 383 00:28:07,150 --> 00:28:09,790 Police had no choice but to release him from custody. 384 00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:12,610 Sometimes there are false confessors. 385 00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:15,870 That's another feature of crimes like this. 386 00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:20,430 The police in Los Angeles seem to be back where they started in the Hillside 387 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:21,430 Strangler case. 388 00:28:22,290 --> 00:28:26,570 There are 55 officers that work full -time on the series of murders, and they 389 00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:27,570 would welcome a break. 390 00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:31,250 We'll always accept a lucky break and be very appreciative of it. 391 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:34,050 Lucky breaks help you crack them sooner. 392 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:36,930 We'll keep at it until it is cracked. 393 00:28:39,830 --> 00:28:42,010 Suddenly, the killings appeared to stop. 394 00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:45,650 We went through Christmas, Valentine's Day. 395 00:28:47,130 --> 00:28:52,230 Those of us in the media thought that maybe two things happened. Either the 396 00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:57,070 monster discovered a conscience, or maybe he met the same fate as his 397 00:29:01,470 --> 00:29:07,660 Then, right after Valentine's Day, A helicopter spotted an orange Datsun off 398 00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:10,000 Angeles Crest Highway, north of Los Angeles. 399 00:29:10,340 --> 00:29:14,600 The victim was found in the trunk of her new car, 50 feet down a steep hillside. 400 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,220 When they went down to pull it up, they found the body of Cindy Hudspeth in the 401 00:29:21,220 --> 00:29:26,260 trunk. In Los Angeles, another young woman strangled in the hills, a 20 -year 402 00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:30,080 -old bank clerk who taught Bible classes and wanted to be an actress. 403 00:29:32,060 --> 00:29:37,640 Police were particularly curious as to how Cindy's body ended up in such a 404 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,640 remote location. 405 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Their car was up on Angeles Crest Highway, which goes up in the Angeles 406 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,000 Forest. And to drive a car up there, you're going to need a second vehicle to 407 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,420 drive away from there. So somebody would have to follow you up and pick you up 408 00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:52,420 and take you away. 409 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,760 Kent, Hudspeth's car was pushed over a cliff that indicated once again that 410 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,440 than one strangler was involved. 411 00:30:01,260 --> 00:30:05,380 Now, investigators were more certain than ever that they were looking for two 412 00:30:05,380 --> 00:30:10,420 killers. They also noticed a strange connection between Cindy Hudspeth and 413 00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:11,560 another victim. 414 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,840 Investigators are greatly interested in the fact that this victim lived just 415 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,760 across the street from victim number seven, 20 -year -old Christina Wexler. 416 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:24,760 Cindy Hudspeth was actually related to one of my officers. 417 00:30:25,340 --> 00:30:29,620 And that, you know, also becomes a thing is that we've not solved it. We haven't 418 00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:30,620 got closure even for him. 419 00:30:31,050 --> 00:30:36,070 I mean, we went through ten murders and had no leads that we could really go 420 00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:37,910 back and say we got probable cause to arrest somebody. 421 00:30:39,950 --> 00:30:44,410 Los Angeles Sheriff's investigators have found a witness who saw Cindy Hudspeth 422 00:30:44,410 --> 00:30:47,070 driving north on Glendale Boulevard in Glendale. 423 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:52,990 Cindy Hudspeth was last seen on Colorado and Glendale Avenue at that 424 00:30:52,990 --> 00:30:55,550 intersection. We were handing out flyers. 425 00:30:55,930 --> 00:30:57,630 Passing a motorist trying to get clues. 426 00:30:57,890 --> 00:31:01,030 About the time of night she went through there, seeing if anybody recognized 427 00:31:01,030 --> 00:31:02,030 anything. 428 00:31:02,470 --> 00:31:06,730 Not knowing that a block and a half away from where we were standing was where 429 00:31:06,730 --> 00:31:07,730 all these murders were occurring. 430 00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:11,450 It became like, what are we looking for? We really don't know. 431 00:31:12,130 --> 00:31:15,170 You and your team follow up on this clue or follow up on that clue. 432 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:19,810 Most of which were just tips that would amount to nothing in the end. 433 00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:31,140 I had the only video camera in the department, so they would say, hey, go 434 00:31:31,140 --> 00:31:32,860 and video this crime scene. 435 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:36,220 Probably the one that was the premier one was Richard Reynolds. 436 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:41,920 Richard Reynolds was known to the Glendale Police Department, the Los 437 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,440 Police Department, and the L .A. County Sheriff's Department as a registered sex 438 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:51,280 offender. Baker said that Reynolds was in a nearby bar just 20 minutes before 439 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,660 and 29 -year -old Roxanne Barnwell were found shot to death in her car behind 440 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:56,960 Glendale Community Hospital. 441 00:31:58,060 --> 00:32:02,520 Baker says there's evidence that Reynolds was waiting for his victim and 442 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,620 his way into her car. 443 00:32:05,020 --> 00:32:07,540 Attacker and victim then shooting each other to death. 444 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,260 Geographically, the location of this very unusual incident raised a lot of 445 00:32:12,260 --> 00:32:16,720 suspicions. The Hillside Strangler Task Force was called in after Glendale 446 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,940 police found a pattern. 447 00:32:18,660 --> 00:32:22,340 Reynolds and the Barnwell woman were killed just a block and a half from 448 00:32:22,340 --> 00:32:24,600 two victims of the Hillside Strangler had lived. 449 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,180 Christine Weckler and Cindy Lee Hudspeth lived across Garfield Avenue from one 450 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,880 another, and Barnwell lived a block away from them. 451 00:32:32,340 --> 00:32:36,880 Then police noted that Reynolds' home in La Crescenta, just two blocks away from 452 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,560 the spot where Judith Ann Miller's body was found October 31st. 453 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,660 That made police particularly suspicious. 454 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,440 We thought, this must be the Hillside Strangler. Why else would a man shoot a 455 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,280 woman and a woman shoot a man in that particular area? 456 00:32:50,220 --> 00:32:54,400 The house is being checked as part of a routine investigation to determine 457 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,600 whether he is or is not a suspect. 458 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,680 At the conclusion of what I can call a very thorough search of the residence, 459 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:08,540 officers were unable, I emphasize, unable to readily identify. 460 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,180 Anything to connect Mr. Reynolds to the Hillside Strangler murders. 461 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000 Turned out he was not related to the case at all. 462 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,560 How long does a case like this remain open? 463 00:33:19,300 --> 00:33:21,120 Ed Henderson says... Forever. 464 00:33:22,420 --> 00:33:26,020 How about yourself? How long will you be on it? Well, I won't be here forever, I 465 00:33:26,020 --> 00:33:30,840 know that. But I'll be on the case until it's solved or I retire. 466 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:47,520 One of the interesting things that occurred after Cindy Hudspeth was found 467 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:48,520 the murders stopped. 468 00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:50,480 They completely stopped. 469 00:33:51,180 --> 00:33:56,680 People don't know whether to breathe a sigh of relief or be even more wary. 470 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,220 Is the killer taking a break? What is going on? It makes everybody uneasy. 471 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:05,460 From a law enforcement standpoint, we look at why did they stop? 472 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,860 It's a person in custody and we're not aware of it. 473 00:34:08,460 --> 00:34:09,460 Did they die? 474 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:11,120 We don't have closure. 475 00:34:22,670 --> 00:34:25,929 Bellingham is a beautiful spot, right on Puget Sound. 476 00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:27,730 Very nice community. 477 00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:30,429 Definitely a safe place to live. 478 00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:34,050 But in January 1979, that would all change. 479 00:34:34,969 --> 00:34:39,650 Bellingham was very concerned about these two young women, Karen Maddox and 480 00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:41,110 Diane Wilder, who were missing. 481 00:34:41,429 --> 00:34:42,830 The two women were roommates. 482 00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:45,270 Both attended Western Washington University. 483 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,300 The first hint of their disappearance came late Thursday when Karen Mandick 484 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:51,960 failed to return to the local Fred Meyer from her dinner break. 485 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,600 The one girl, Karen Mandick, was working at Fred Meyer's store, which is the 486 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,300 large department food store in Bellingham. 487 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,180 Karen asked her manager if she could take a long dinner break because she had 488 00:35:05,180 --> 00:35:06,720 job opportunity that came up. 489 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,200 She told her manager she was going to take from 7 to 9. 490 00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:14,720 She had a security job. 491 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:19,900 and was going to be making quite a bit of money, and she was going to come back 492 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:20,900 in two hours. 493 00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:26,000 Karen found out about the security job from a former Fred Myers employee. 494 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,500 He said, hey, you know, I'm in the private security business now, and I've 495 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:31,920 this great gig for you. 496 00:35:32,260 --> 00:35:36,660 He indicated they were putting a security alarm in this house, and the 497 00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:40,620 some very valuable things, and they needed to have security for two hours. 498 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,040 If you want to just house it for a little bit, you can pick $100. 499 00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:48,890 And she asked if her roommate could be involved, Diane Wilder. 500 00:35:50,330 --> 00:35:51,570 It's 9 o 'clock. 501 00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:54,550 Karen doesn't come back to the store from her dinner break. 502 00:35:55,170 --> 00:36:00,790 This is not like her at all. She is very, very responsible. 503 00:36:01,610 --> 00:36:04,750 So the police get called when she doesn't turn up. 504 00:36:05,070 --> 00:36:09,930 What the hell happened to her? The police put out the vehicle description, 505 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:10,990 is a Mercury Bobcat. 506 00:36:11,740 --> 00:36:15,360 and asked people in the community to be aware of this vehicle, and if they saw 507 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,240 it, to call the Bellingham Police immediately. 508 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,280 They really, at this point, need to get over to her apartment, check it out, see 509 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,860 if there's anything going on that explains why she didn't go back to work. 510 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:32,340 There was a note there that indicated, can be called, wants a call back, 511 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:33,480 and there was a phone number. 512 00:36:33,820 --> 00:36:35,360 It's in Diane's handwriting. 513 00:36:36,540 --> 00:36:40,720 Investigators had called a security company and found out a man by the name 514 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:42,100 Kenneth Bianchi worked there. 515 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,920 He had also previously worked at Fred Meyer. 516 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,360 Did he by any chance have a job tonight? 517 00:36:49,180 --> 00:36:52,360 No, no, he wasn't supposed to be working at all. 518 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,360 So that's when they decide, uh -oh, that's when they start looking into Ken 519 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:58,360 Bianchi. 520 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,240 Ken had recently moved to the area and was living with his girlfriend Kelly 521 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:05,240 and their infant son. 522 00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:10,350 So they met him at about 2 .30 that morning. He tried to present himself as 523 00:37:10,350 --> 00:37:12,030 very likable, affable person. 524 00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:16,410 He at first denied knowing Karen Mandick. Then he said, well, he did 525 00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:17,950 meeting her at one point. 526 00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:22,850 So they were concerned about him and whether he was being honest to them. 527 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:29,590 Then at about 4 .30 that afternoon, a car had been sighted. 528 00:37:30,010 --> 00:37:31,190 Police responded. 529 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,920 and the officer could look into the vehicle and can see that there were two 530 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,240 bodies, and he could tell that both of the young women looked deceased. 531 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,120 The bodies of Karen Mandick and Diane Wilder were found stuffed in the back 532 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,120 of Ms. Mandick's car. 533 00:37:47,780 --> 00:37:53,840 The bodies were very carefully removed, and the evidence was preserved, and the 534 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,380 bodies were then taken to a funeral home where autopsies were conducted that 535 00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:59,380 morning. 536 00:38:00,620 --> 00:38:04,780 There were large ligature marks on the necks of both of the girls. 537 00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:09,780 And this looked like it was a rope. It wasn't a wire. It was something wider, 538 00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:11,660 which would indicate they were strangled. 539 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,360 The women were killed only hours after the disappearance. 540 00:38:14,860 --> 00:38:19,400 This just was a very alarming case because the Bellinghams are very safe 541 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,400 These are two young college girls. 542 00:38:23,720 --> 00:38:26,120 really concerned everyone in the community. 543 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,900 It is something that we just did not have a great deal of background with. 544 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:39,300 I started getting search warrants, and in Bianchi's apartment, we found a piece 545 00:38:39,300 --> 00:38:44,260 of paper with Karen Mandic's name on it, which really contradicted what he said, 546 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,980 that he just knew her in passing. That just wasn't the case. 547 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,000 We also found a number of items that had been stolen from Fred Meyer. 548 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,760 And so I have only 72 hours to charge someone with a crime when we're holding 549 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,120 them. So I charge him with possession of stolen property. 550 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,560 Charging the suspect with possession of stolen property this afternoon buys 551 00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,520 authorities some time to complete their investigation. 552 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:12,080 Police have not charged Bianchi with the murders, but they say they believe they 553 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,980 have evidence linking him to the killings. 554 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:19,400 At the crime scene, it looked like the entire home had been wiped down. 555 00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:23,780 There were not fingerprints on areas that you would expect to find 556 00:39:23,780 --> 00:39:25,340 from people living in a home. 557 00:39:26,060 --> 00:39:31,280 They also found a pubic hair when they lifted Diane Wilder's body out of the 558 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,200 that was on her clothing that matched microscopically the characteristics of 559 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,260 pubic hair from Mr. Bianchi. Hair isn't a positive identification. It's not like 560 00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:46,380 fingerprints. We didn't have DNA in those days. But it certainly is enough 561 00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:47,960 get you closer and closer. 562 00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:52,600 The evidence was sent to the FBI laboratory in Washington, D .C. The 563 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:57,180 investigation is proceeding rapidly. The FBI is proceeding very rapidly with our 564 00:39:57,180 --> 00:40:03,720 examination. Once the FBI gave us the further facts, tying Bianchi with the 565 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:08,400 girls, we were starting to really get the full picture of exactly what was 566 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,299 on here. 567 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,360 And I subsequently amended the information that I charged with 568 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,420 stolen property to two counts of first -degree murder. 569 00:40:22,540 --> 00:40:26,380 To say that Kenneth Bianchi had a troubled childhood is putting it mildly. 570 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:32,360 He is an individual who wants to be dominant and in control, and he wants to 571 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,940 other people as submissive to him. 572 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,280 On the surface, though, Bianchi could appear normal. 573 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,580 He keeps saying, I killed those girls. 574 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,800 I didn't. 575 00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:47,280 He has said a number of times that the real killer is still there. 576 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,860 I'm the one who's getting the blame. 577 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,480 The defense attorney claimed that Mr. Bianchi was a multiple personality. 578 00:40:55,980 --> 00:40:56,980 What's your name? 579 00:40:58,060 --> 00:40:59,060 Steve. 580 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,820 The name Stephen Walker was a name that interested us. 581 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,560 Here in Bellingham, what did Steve do up here? 582 00:41:08,380 --> 00:41:11,520 Right from the jump. It was a bad performance. 583 00:41:12,100 --> 00:41:17,300 While he was supposedly under hypnosis, Steve mentioned his cousin. 584 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:19,680 Killed anybody? 585 00:41:26,110 --> 00:41:30,450 And we all are thinking this is probably the second strangler. 586 00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:40,450 The arrest of Kenneth Bianchi for the murders of two young women in 587 00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:43,550 Washington, at first appears to be an isolated incident. 588 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:48,080 But very quickly, detectives realized the case is much bigger than it seems. 589 00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:52,700 Could Bianchi and the Washington killings be tied to something more 590 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,520 A shocking confession in part two of The Hillside Stranglers. 591 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,160 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. Thanks for watching. 592 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:01,360 Good night. 593 00:42:01,410 --> 00:42:05,960 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 56119

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