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You're watching HLN On Demand.
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I really feel bad about what happened.
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I'm really sorry about the whole thing,
but all the sorries in the world aren't
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going to change anything.
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Like I said, I'm not an angel, but I'm
not the worst guy in the world either.
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Welcome to Very Scary People, I'm Donnie
Wahlberg.
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November 13th, 1974,
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six members of the DeFeo family were
found brutally murdered in their seaside
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home. The gruesome crime rocked the
village of Amityville, New York.
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The oldest son, Ronald Jr., claimed he
came home to find his parents, brothers,
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and sisters all shot to death face down
in their beds.
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There were different theories about the
killings, including a possible home
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invasion.
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But the case took a shocking turn when
Ron Jr. confessed that he had killed
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all. But why?
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The mystery about what really happened
that night and the bizarre events that
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inspired the Hollywood movie in part two
of The Amityville Horror.
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It was such a horrible
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crime.
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First, this bulletin from the WOR
newsroom. Six members of one family have
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found shot to death in their
nightclothes in their expensive home in
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Long Island.
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They were all killed in their beds, shot
in the back.
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All found in the same position, face
down.
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And there's no evidence of a struggle.
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And that was very unusual.
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The rifle used in the murders was a
Marlin rifle, .35 caliber.
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It is so deafening.
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Why didn't anyone hear a gunshot?
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The victims have been identified as
members of the DeFeo family.
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And then the body bags started coming
out.
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The father, the mother, Dawn, 18,
Allison, 13, Mark, 11,
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and John, the youngest one, 9.
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We were devastated.
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They were all gone.
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They were all gone.
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They were found by a 23 -year -old son,
Ronald DeFeo, the only surviving member
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of the family.
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People were counted. This was a close
-knit family. They were just very sweet,
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very religious people, very family
-minded people.
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When I think of it now, I wonder.
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On the face of it, this is a family that
is very good at keeping up appearances,
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but this is a family with secrets.
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When the murders were uncovered, Ron was
pulled in and questioned.
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Police had been questioning the son,
Ronald. He initially said that this was
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mob hit.
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My father was involved with big, big
people in organized crime.
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And Ronnie had even named a specific
person.
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The person was later found to have an
alibi and could not have been in agony
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killing Ronnie DeFeo's family at all.
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More intense questioning of Ronnie
DeFeo. He told the police that people
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into the house, they pulled him along
with them, and they shot everyone while
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was present.
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I knew then I was set up.
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I was going to be the scapegoat for
everybody.
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They were yachts that left six members
of one family dead in this charming
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colonial home. The police, they have
Ronnie in custody just to talk about the
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murder. And very soon they begin to
wonder.
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There was a history of violence there in
that household.
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Ronnie Sr., he had a temper.
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And Ron Jr.
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was subject to a lot of abuse.
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He was the firstborn, so his father
expected more from him.
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The truth of the matter is, most of the
time, I was always wrong. I was always a
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joke. No matter what I did, he quit
school and didn't really work. I think
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was an incredibly spoiled kid.
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At 17, he was into drugs, LSD, heroin, a
fifth of scotch every day.
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And he also had a stockpile of
several...
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weapons in the house.
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The relationship between Butch DeFeo and
his father was coming to a head. The
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place was a powder keg waiting to
explode.
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He veered wildly back and forth. And
then finally, Ronnie did break down and
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confess. Ronnie said, yes, yes, I did
it. He was an angry young man.
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And on the night of November 13th, 1974,
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He unleashed that anger.
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And when all hell broke loose, it broke
loose.
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It was about 3 .15 in the morning.
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The family's old English sheepdog,
Shaggy, was howling.
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The family had long gone to bed.
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He climbs the stairs to his father's and
mother's room. He had a .35 caliber
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Marlin rifle.
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A high -powered rifle.
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The father's the biggest threat.
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His father had a revolver, which he kept
close by.
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So Ronnie's first move is to blow the
father away.
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And he fires two shots into the father,
killing him almost instantly.
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The mother starts to wake up, and Ronnie
shoots two high -powered bullets almost
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point -blank range into her.
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She's dead.
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He then walked across the hall.
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Got his two brothers.
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He fires one shot at each shot.
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And he described to Detective Rafferty
how he stood there and he watched
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his little brother die.
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That just makes your blood run cold.
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Sweet Amerson.
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DeFeo points this Marlin rifle barrel
into her face and fires.
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In a confession to police, he said, once
it started, I couldn't stop.
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It went so fast.
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We had asked them if anyone had awakened
during all of this, and
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he told us that it's just the dawn that
she was asking what was going on.
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He told her everything was okay to go
back to bed, and she complied, at which
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time he continued up the stairs.
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He fired a single shot and blew the side
of her head off.
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It was all over in 15 minutes. Six
members of one family were dead.
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As far as I was concerned, I got to know
before they got to me.
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The funeral took place at St. Martin de
Tours Church.
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The church was packed to overflowing.
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There was no sound except for the organ.
It was very quiet, and suddenly they
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wheel in not one, not two, but six
coffins. I just remember all six
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coffins just in the front of the altar,
and it was just the most terrible thing
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you'll ever see in your life. It was
terrible.
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You're just in shock.
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I actually went outside for a little
while and sat outside because it was
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it was overwhelming.
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They were a great family. Mark and John
Matthew were great kids. Allison was
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wonderful. Dawn, I mean, they had so
much to live for and just wasted for no
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reason.
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Butch was in custody when his family was
buried.
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I met Ronnie for the purposes of
arraignment. I was shocked because of
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nature of the charges.
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He is charged with wiping out his whole
family. It was disbelief
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that he would do such a thing.
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We're certainly going to review an
insanity defense in this case.
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Is that a tacit admission that he did
pull the trigger? Absolutely not.
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Authorities in Amityville, New York,
were searching for evidence while
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their case against Ronald DeFeo Jr.
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The 23 -year -old faced six counts of
murder in the second degree for the
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killing of his parents and four younger
siblings.
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It was a tragedy.
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Innocent young people died, and there
was no reason for it. It was horrifying.
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I couldn't imagine it.
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How can you do that?
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How can you do that?
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Every night we would watch the news for
any kind of information.
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I mean, it wasn't like today where you
had 24 -hour news cycle.
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But details were emerging as
investigators learned what Ron Jr. was
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hours after the murders.
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I didn't really know what to do.
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I knew what I couldn't do. I knew I
couldn't call the police.
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And I knew I couldn't call up my
relatives and tell them what happened.
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So I sat around and thought about it.
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Rhonda Thale, after committing the
murders, she showered.
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He packed up his bloody clothing,
stuffed it into an oversized pillowcase.
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Calmly went back into the bedroom to
retrieve the spent shell casing from the
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rifle. He destroyed evidence.
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He drove to Brooklyn.
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and stuffed it into a storm drain.
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And then he went to work at his
grandfather's auto dealership.
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He was able to tell Detective Rafferty
where everything was, and they went and
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they looked, and everything was exactly
where he said it was.
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He told us that he had thrown the gun in
the Great South Bay, and we immediately
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sent detectives down to the bay, and
with the assistance of the Marine
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they recovered the murder weapon.
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35 caliber Marlin.
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We would have never found the weapon,
only that the killer told us where it
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But after directly pointing police
towards the evidence, Ronnie Jr.
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backtracks again, and he now says that
the police have coerced him into a
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confession, that they are trying to
frame him, and that they planted that
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damning evidence themselves.
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Many excuses he makes to the police
afterwards.
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In fact, he said, I never dumped the
stuff. Police found it and told me I did
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it. They got lucky.
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Truth of the matter is, a police diver,
he was diving in shallow water over
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there and they found the gun. That was
it. A mile away from my house.
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I did not direct him to it.
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Then, Ronnie begins telling people that
he doesn't even remember what happened.
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Ronnie DeFeo describes himself as being
totally out of it.
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He may have gone into something like a
dissociative state.
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Dissociation is something where you lose
your bearings with your surroundings,
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and you enter an emotional state where
you're not quite in touch with reality,
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and you're very keyed up emotionally.
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I was really, really, really out of it,
mentally out of it then.
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I remember the lever on the rifle. I hit
the lever on the rifle. A live round
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ammunition jumped out of the rifle.
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You know, ejected from the rifle.
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I went and ejected.
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You know, another one went in.
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He described himself as like being in a
dream, going through the house, killing
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everyone in the house, and almost having
a sense of unreality,
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not believing that this was all real.
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And when I realized what I did, you
know, I said, my God, you know.
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I mean, it happened so fast, I never
even knew what I did.
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I just lost, you know, a touch of
reality there for a couple of minutes.
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After the murders, Ronnie went to work,
but he left early, saying that he didn't
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feel well.
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Then he decides to go score some heroin.
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In the haze of heroin and alcohol, he
almost convinced himself that everything
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was okay.
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During the course of that day, I was
drinking, I was using heroin again.
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I had forgot what happened in the house.
I really did forget.
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Then he drove home.
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When he got there, he realized that he
didn't have his house key, and so he
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couldn't get inside.
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I couldn't get in the house.
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So a lot of time I've gone by, I'm
drinking and using more dope.
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So I finally decided that I'm going to
go through the back window and go into
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the house.
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I went upstairs, and what happened?
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It was like a nightmare.
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I'm looking at my mother and father dead
and my sister. I said, my God, I got
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scared. I ran out of the house.
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He did alert his friends that something
had gone in in the house.
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They all go over to the house.
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They all went in the house. I stood
outside.
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And I think that that's very significant
in terms of an awareness of guilt.
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You're worried about your family and you
bring all your friends over to your
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house saying something's wrong in the
house and they all go in and you stay
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outside.
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That clearly indicates that he knew that
they were dead.
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And there's a consciousness, I would
argue, of guilt.
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Eleven months after the brutal murders
of his family, the case against Ronald
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DeFeo Jr., also known as Butch, was
ready to go to trial.
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William Weber.
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who was the court -appointed attorney
for Ronald DeFeo. He was actually
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third lawyer because Ronnie had actually
assaulted one of the former court
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-appointed attorneys.
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The lawyer wanted him to plead insanity
for the simple reason the deck was
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stacked against him.
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Ronald Jr.
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did not want to do that.
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He was a bit more respectful of William
Weber. Maybe he thought he had a better
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shot at getting off.
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After nearly three weeks of testimony,
Ronnie DeFeo takes the stand in his own
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defense. I was a juror.
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Ronnie DeFeo was sitting right there. He
didn't look like this mass murderer.
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He just sat there until he was called to
testify.
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And then when he testified, he said,
yes, I did it. I killed them all.
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About halfway through his direct
examination, his attorney, Mr. Weber,
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point blank, Ronnie, did you kill your
father?
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And Ronnie answered, yes, sir, I killed
them all, and I killed them before they
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could kill me. So the issue as to
whether or not he was the person who did
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is now moved.
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We knew he did it. We just had to
determine why he did it.
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There's one major question about this
crime which still hasn't been answered,
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the question of motive.
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They had a lot of people testify about
his very dysfunctional childhood.
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A lot of fighting went on in that house.
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According to the defense attorney, Bill
Weber, he said the closest that Ronnie
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ever explained the motive for this was
that he felt that the family was
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conspiring against him.
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The man was trying to hurt me bad. He
was going to kill me.
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He said it was self -defense.
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But, you know, we didn't know where that
came from. That was like out of the
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blue.
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Another theory the police were following
is that Ron Jr.
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was looking to steal money and jewelry
allegedly hidden in his parents'
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And he was interrupted and then he shot
the parents. And as a result of that,
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that he had to execute the other people
in the house because they would be
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witnesses to his act.
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But no money has ever been found.
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Another motive that the police were
developing was he wanted to kill his
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and mother for the insurance money.
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It's reported that Ronald DeFeo Jr.
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stood to gain about $200 ,000 in life
insurance from the death of his family.
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He told.
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One of the cops, can I get insurance on
my family?
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He wondered if he could get insurance on
the people he shot.
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The defense strategy wasn't to determine
why he committed the murders. They
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decided to prove that Ron Jr. wasn't
responsible for his actions because he
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legally insane.
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It was a defense Ronnie had fought
against with his first two attorneys.
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now, with William Weber, they were ready
to roll the dice.
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My attorney used insanity as his
defense.
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He told me you ought to go in a
courtroom and act crazy.
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Make these people think you're crazy.
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Was Ronnie insane?
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Did he know what he was doing? The
insanity defense was, I guess, the best
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William Weber could do under the
circumstances because he had his work
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for him. In our legal criminal justice
system, to really be found not guilty by
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reason of insanity, you typically
need...
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To have been so disordered and detached
from reality that you really didn't know
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what you were doing or that you didn't
know that it was wrong.
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At times he would say he was insane.
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Hey, I didn't seem like myself. I saw
the dark hands that resembled my sister
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hand me a gun.
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But then he would let it flip like, no,
I'm not crazy. I feel sane. It was very.
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Very bad theater acting.
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Changing stories was part of the
insanity. You cannot go in a courtroom
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on one track.
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If you stay on one track, you're not
insane.
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You're very intelligent and know what
you're doing.
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That was part of the insanity.
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His condition, by his own admission,
don't meet the criteria for not guilty
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reason of insanity.
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But going into jury deliberations, the
outcome wasn't clear. The two youngest
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jurors would be holdouts. I wanted to
believe that he wasn't responsible.
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I hoped that he didn't realize what he
was doing.
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But we were deliberating for two days,
and then something stuck in my head
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his dog.
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And it came down at the end to the dog.
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the family's old English sheepdog,
Shaggy.
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The dog didn't like him. He didn't like
the dog.
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So before he went on this shooting
rampage, he took the dog and put the dog
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outside.
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Shaggy was actually tied out in the shed
that night. And at the time of the
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murder, the dog was howling straight for
that 15 or 20 minutes that it took
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Ronnie to kill his family.
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It just clicked in my mind at that
point.
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He knew this dog would come after him if
he started going after the family.
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And it was just so clear to me at that
moment that he knew exactly what he was
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doing.
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The jury deliberated, and they handed
down a guilty verdict.
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Justice Stark, he gave him six...
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Life sentences.
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So 25 to life with the possibility of
parole.
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Judge Stark made it a point to say it is
my recommendation
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that he never be released.
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It would be a lot easier for me to admit
that I killed everybody in the house
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and I was stoned on drugs and that would
have been the end of this.
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There were very strange.
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things associated with the DeFeo murders
that the coroner, the forensic people
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could not understand.
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Before you know it, people are talking
about this house allegedly being
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Welcome back to Very Scary People.
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A year after six members of the DeFeo
family were found murdered in their
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Amityville, New York home, the eldest
son, Ronald Jr., was convicted of the
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brutal crimes.
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He was given six sentences of 25 years
to life, one for each family member he
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killed. Then came the strange twist that
inspired the movie.
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In December of 1975, Ronnie DeFeo Jr.
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was moving into his new home in prison,
and a new family was moving into the
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DeFeo home in Amityville.
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The house stayed empty for a year, after
which the Briganti and
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DeFeo relatives sold the house to George
and Kathy Lutz.
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For George and Kathy Lutz and their
three children, this Dutch colonial at
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Ocean Avenue was to have been a dream
house.
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But by their accounts, it was a hellish
nightmare.
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And 28 days later, they ran for their
lives.
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Before you know it, people are talking
about this house allegedly being
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The Lutzes claim the house was haunted
by evil spirits.
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They were very strange.
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things associated with the DeFeo murders
that even the coroner, the forensic
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people could not understand.
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How did it stay so quiet? How did nobody
else wake up? If the first person was
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killed, wouldn't the second or fourth,
wouldn't somebody wake up? How can you
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sleep through 35 -caliber, high -powered
rifle going off?
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Why didn't anybody really wake up?
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try and defend themselves.
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The parapsychologist said it was
phantomania, some kind of a psychic
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that they didn't hear the shots and they
could not cry out.
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But why was there phantomania?
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That's still a question that's being
asked.
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And why were they all found face down?
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Nobody has ever been able to explain
that.
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Ron DeFeo once said...
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that he heard voices telling him to
kill.
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He sensed a shadowy figure alongside
him, compelling him to shoot one member
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the family after another.
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So there's now a new family in there,
and they're claiming that they were
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terrified by all kinds of things in
there.
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I went out, met George and Kathy Lutz,
sat and talked to them for five and a
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half. And they seemed genuinely
frightened and scared.
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They claimed the house was demonized.
They claimed all kinds of occult things
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were happening there. There was green
and black slime coming from the walls.
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There was an infestation of flies.
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George could never get warm. He was
always cold.
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Kathy said she looked in the mirror one
morning and her face, instead of being
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that of a 29 -year -old, was that of an
old hag.
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The story got bigger and more
embellished.
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Ghosts flying to levitating, to doors
flying off hinges, to demons, to satanic
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forces.
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When you hear this, it's unbelievable.
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But they were very convincing in telling
the story.
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But whatever, this story, we were going
to cover it. Because everybody loves a
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good ghost story.
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Doggett Lee pursued the story and
reached out to parapsychologists Ed and
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Lorraine Warren.
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For about 40 years now, Ed and Lorraine
Warren of Monroe, Connecticut, have
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investigated cases of haunted houses and
demonic possession.
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We went to the house to investigate why
one family were all murdered,
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another family moved in and fled.
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After that, it was arranged that we
would have this seance on March 6th. At
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How.
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It was a Saturday night. I was anchoring
the news, and afterward, the news
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director says, you're going to
Amityville.
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My assignment that Saturday night in
March 1976 was to stay in the house and
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report on any unusual activity at all.
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So I was there at midnight, and I walked
in, and here were about a dozen people
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around a big table.
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and a crucifix, a blessed candle, and a
couple of psychics, Mary Pascarella and
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Alberta Riley.
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So there were about 20, 25 people, and
we had a three -man film crew.
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They started the seance, and I remember
sitting there with the recorder rolling,
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and suddenly I heard Mary Pascarella.
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She was going into...
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This trance, and she said, I saw this
blackness.
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It's like a black shadow that forms a
hood.
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And it moved.
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It was marvelous. I'd never seen
something like this before.
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And then another psychic started seeing
things.
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Alberta Riley screamed,
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it's upstairs in the second bedroom.
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Whatever it's here.
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And she ran out of the room screaming.
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At 3 .15 in the morning, that was the
precise time Ron DeFeo committed the
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murders.
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Lorraine Warren and I went to the sewing
room up there where the strongest
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force was said to be present.
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We sat there with a candle in the middle
of the floor and...
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It was dark except for the candle.
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We waited.
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And the rain burst. She said, Marvin,
this is the closest to hell I ever want
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get. Ronald DeFeo was demonically
influenced and committing that horrible
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Ronnie DeFeo Jr.'s lawyer, William
Weber, thought this as an opportunity to
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his client.
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George and Kathy Lutz.
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approached William Weber, and William
Weber listened to the story. And what
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he do?
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He sits down and begins to think, maybe
we can make something out of this house.
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William Weber was quick to seize on the
idea.
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There was talk of, oh, let's try and get
an appeal for Ronnie on the
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basis of possession, or the devil made
me do it.
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Hence, the Amityville Horror was born.
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Nobody knew that it was going to morph
into what it has become.
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And to this day, it's still going on.
You will believe in the Amityville
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A year after the murders of the DeFeo
family in Amityville, Long Island, their
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house was once again the site of horror.
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Was it a demonic force that greeted the
George Lutz family, which they claim
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drove them to run for their lives just
weeks after moving in? They created a
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story that has fascinated and unnerved
millions.
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What happened to them is an experience
in terror you will never forget.
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If it wasn't for the Amityville Horror,
people would have forgotten about this
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case long ago.
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The Amityville Horror became famous in
the book by Jay Anson, written in 1977.
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The story was George and Kathy Lutz's
account of their 28 -day stay at 112
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Ocean Avenue the year before.
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A story, they claimed, that was fraught
with the horrors that nightmares are
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made of.
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They claimed that...
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There was a pig on the windowsill that
looked like a demon. And furniture was
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flying and doors were going off the
hinges.
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Kathy Luss is levitating. She's off the
ground just like in The Exorcist.
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And all attributable to some kind of
demon or evil spirit.
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As quickly as the Lusset story spread,
questions arose.
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Could this be a case of a true haunting,
or is it just a wild hoax? Because the
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family had made some unusual requests
when they had purchased the home.
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The Lutz family moved into the house
right after the court case.
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And when they bought the house, they
made sure that they paid a little extra
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the furniture that belonged to the DeFeo
family to remain in the house.
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including, by the way, the bed that the
DeFeo children had been murdered in. Why
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would you want furniture of a family
that was murdered?
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Then came the claims of supernatural
hauntings and happenings.
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That night I spent in that house in
Amityville, I saw no evidence of...
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green slime oozing from the walls. I saw
no evidence of infestation of flies.
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I observed nothing that would support
the story of this house being
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occupied by demons.
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As soon as it came out, my first
impression was Mr. Weber, who
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was trying to get him out on insanity
again. They're trying to say that He was
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possessed. It was evil in the house.
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Yet despite the questions that arose
from the start, Jay Anson's book rose to
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the top of the New York Times bestseller
list in nonfiction.
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And it was not a true story.
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The house was not haunted.
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There was nothing wrong with that house.
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The whole thing was a hoax that made
money.
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In correspondence I had with Rhonda
Fayo, He said this old Amityville horror
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a moneymaker, and he blames his
attorney, Bill Weber, who was his
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attorney, for creating this with the
Lutz family.
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During the course of my trial, some
priest was in the courtroom watching my
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performance on the witness stand.
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00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,200
He felt that my performance, I had to be
possessed by the devil.
463
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,040
This was also, you figure, just a year
or two after the movie The Exorcist had
464
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,000
debuted and was such a big hit.
465
00:33:56,340 --> 00:34:02,180
Mr. Weber says, listen, these people
named Lutz has bought your house, and we
466
00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:06,500
can use them and make money. That's how
the haunted house nonsense started.
467
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,480
I reached out to Bill Weber. I asked how
the story evolved of the demonic
468
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,260
forces supposedly in the house, and he
said, Over dinner with George and Kathy
469
00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:20,260
Lutz.
470
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,460
We said that and we talked.
471
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,380
We had a nice evening conversation.
472
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:27,440
And they saw a good story in it.
473
00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:32,460
And he said the story grew and grew and
it became what it is today.
474
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,820
Somewhere along the line, there was a
parting of ways and not amicable between
475
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:46,239
William Weber and George and Kathy Lutz.
476
00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:51,850
They suit each other. The Lutzes for
alleged invasion of privacy and
477
00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:56,850
infliction of emotional distress. And
Weber for perpetrating a fraud and
478
00:34:56,850 --> 00:34:57,850
of contract.
479
00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:01,750
Is this fact or fiction? It's fiction.
480
00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:06,470
Absolutely. We can sit here for three
weeks and I'll keep telling you each
481
00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:07,610
it's a fraud.
482
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:15,150
The Amityville Horror Franchise.
483
00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:19,610
which has growth in the hundreds of
millions of dollars, now includes more
484
00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:22,150
20 movies and countless documentaries.
485
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:24,990
There's something evil in my house.
486
00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:33,390
And despite the claims, George Lutz
claimed that the haunting was real until
487
00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:34,348
day he died.
488
00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:39,150
The Amityville house appears to be quite
peaceful now. There's been no evidence
489
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:42,870
of any strange occurrences here since
the Lutz family fled.
490
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,200
In 79, after the Lutzes left, I
interviewed the people who were living
491
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,820
house, the Cromerties, Barbara and Jim.
They told me there was nothing going on
492
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:53,379
in there.
493
00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:58,440
As far as we're concerned, the
Amityville hoax is the real horror.
494
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,060
People have lived in that house for
almost 50 years since this has happened,
495
00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:06,640
nobody's ever had a problem.
496
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,040
The house isn't haunted. The people that
live there now sure know that it's not
497
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,540
haunted. And Ronnie knows that it isn't
haunted.
498
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,980
My lawyer had to stick his two cents in
and wanted to make us millions of
499
00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:21,560
dollars, which I never got.
500
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,220
And the sad point is, you don't need
demons and ghosts.
501
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,500
The true Amityville story is what led to
six people dying.
502
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,100
That's what's horrific.
503
00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:40,220
The horror in itself is my family
getting killed. I guess that's the only
504
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:41,220
tragedy here.
505
00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:43,710
Everything else is fantasy,
506
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:46,770
really.
507
00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:47,850
It's fiction.
508
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,370
The evil in the house with him.
509
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:04,190
I'm Ronald Butch DeFale.
510
00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:08,430
I was found guilty of killing my mother,
father, two brothers, and two sisters.
511
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,380
And I was sentenced to 25 to life.
512
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,260
I spent the first four years of my
incarceration in Greenhaven Correctional
513
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:21,260
Facility.
514
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,460
That was where I met Ryan DeFeo.
515
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,660
At times it was very pleasant when we
would reminisce together, talk about
516
00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:34,560
Amityville. He was just a nice older guy
from the same town that I knew as a
517
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,840
kid. And he kind of forgot.
518
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:40,960
that this man was accused of killing his
entire family.
519
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,240
After 40 years in prison, Ronnie DeFeo
told me an ever -changing story of his
520
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,400
versions of what happened on the fateful
night that sent him to prison.
521
00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:56,980
At first, Ronnie blamed the mafia.
522
00:37:57,220 --> 00:38:01,220
He said, here I am, doing time for what
these guys did.
523
00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:04,280
Then I brought it up again.
524
00:38:04,890 --> 00:38:09,470
And he forgot that he had earlier told
me that the mafia had killed his family
525
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:12,350
and went into a whole different
narrative.
526
00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:14,430
He said it was his sister.
527
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:17,390
I'm not innocent, but I'm not guilty of
this whole crap.
528
00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:25,010
Ronnie DeFeo said that his sister Dawn
murdered his entire family and he was
529
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:29,830
barely able to escape her. Dawn had
grabbed a rifle and we got into a
530
00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:33,130
match. I was pretty hyped up and I
picked her up.
531
00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:34,610
And I tore it down.
532
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:40,190
She landed on the bed. I grabbed the
rifle and shot her in the head.
533
00:38:42,110 --> 00:38:46,090
Ronnie claimed that it was his sister
Dawn who had killed their parents
534
00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:48,910
she wanted to elope with her boyfriend
and her parents wouldn't let her.
535
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:52,430
And he also claimed that Dawn planned to
pin the murders on him.
536
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:56,070
I was set up and brought into this by my
sister.
537
00:38:56,330 --> 00:38:58,710
I was going to be the scapegoat for this
whole thing.
538
00:39:00,430 --> 00:39:06,480
But to this day, There has been no
evidence that anyone else other than Ron
539
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,980
DeFeo committed those murders.
540
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,400
Ronnie DeFeo's actual sentence is only
25 to life. That means that after the 25
541
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,140
years, he started going to parole
boards.
542
00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:26,060
You would think that he might want to
avoid that traumatic experience, but no,
543
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,240
he thinks that they still might let him
out.
544
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:34,130
What I have to do now is just get the
truth out and straighten this out so I
545
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:35,130
get out of prison.
546
00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:39,710
Will we ever know the true story of what
happened that night? What motivated Ron
547
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,730
DeFeo? Only Ron DeFeo can answer that.
548
00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:46,890
And I don't think we'll ever get a true
answer because he's told so many
549
00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:48,410
differing stories over the years.
550
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:55,610
I think that the shifting stories that
DeFeo gives are really consistent with
551
00:39:55,610 --> 00:40:01,970
psychopathy, psychopaths. seem to lack
any moral reasoning, and they tend to
552
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:06,690
just produce excuses for their behavior
almost in random fashion.
553
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:12,370
Everybody else is scared, and you know
what you're all afraid of? You know I
554
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:16,950
this with other f***ing people, and
you're all afraid to deal with reality
555
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:20,830
because that's reality, not this s***
coming out of your mouth.
556
00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:23,980
There may also be a motivation for
attention.
557
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,420
He seems to enjoy the attention. He
seems to enjoy being interviewed in
558
00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:30,740
the camera and telling his story.
559
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040
He basks in that glory.
560
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,080
They made a monster out of me.
561
00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:38,500
People are afraid of me. People in here
are afraid of me. These dogs in here are
562
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:39,500
afraid of me.
563
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:41,060
Terrified of me.
564
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:48,780
He looks like the disaffected, sort of
angry, lost person that he was then.
565
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,620
It's not like age has given him any kind
of wisdom or hindsight.
566
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,500
He's a mass murderer. He took a rifle,
blasted his family to death, and came up
567
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,600
with so many lies afterwards that nobody
believes a word he said.
568
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:12,240
I'm the devil, I'm possessed, I'm
supposed to be vicious, a madman,
569
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,760
voices, which is all nonsense.
570
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,800
I realize I'm a bad guy, but...
571
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680
You know, what they're doing to me, it's
a little blown out of proportion, you
572
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,680
know?
573
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,120
It's been decades since Ronald DeFeo Jr.
574
00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:29,260
brutally murdered his entire family that
November night in Amityville.
575
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000
And investigators still don't know why
he did it.
576
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,740
The secret DeFeo took to his grave.
577
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:37,620
He died in prison in March of 2021.
578
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,020
I'm Donnie Wahlberg.
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Thanks for watching.
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Good night.
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