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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,110 --> 00:00:06,990 You're watching HLN On Demand. 2 00:00:24,770 --> 00:00:31,750 I really feel bad about what happened. 3 00:00:33,500 --> 00:00:39,280 I'm really sorry about the whole thing, but all the sorries in the world aren't 4 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,280 going to change anything. 5 00:00:41,580 --> 00:00:44,940 Like I said, I'm not an angel, but I'm not the worst guy in the world either. 6 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,540 Welcome to Very Scary People, I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 7 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:19,240 November 13th, 1974, 8 00:01:19,980 --> 00:01:24,780 six members of the DeFeo family were found brutally murdered in their seaside 9 00:01:24,780 --> 00:01:28,960 home. The gruesome crime rocked the village of Amityville, New York. 10 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:34,220 The oldest son, Ronald Jr., claimed he came home to find his parents, brothers, 11 00:01:34,380 --> 00:01:37,400 and sisters all shot to death face down in their beds. 12 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,600 There were different theories about the killings, including a possible home 13 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,600 invasion. 14 00:01:42,650 --> 00:01:47,450 But the case took a shocking turn when Ron Jr. confessed that he had killed 15 00:01:47,450 --> 00:01:48,890 all. But why? 16 00:01:49,290 --> 00:01:53,970 The mystery about what really happened that night and the bizarre events that 17 00:01:53,970 --> 00:01:58,570 inspired the Hollywood movie in part two of The Amityville Horror. 18 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:10,930 It was such a horrible 19 00:02:10,930 --> 00:02:11,930 crime. 20 00:02:14,700 --> 00:02:19,460 First, this bulletin from the WOR newsroom. Six members of one family have 21 00:02:19,460 --> 00:02:23,660 found shot to death in their nightclothes in their expensive home in 22 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:24,820 Long Island. 23 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,740 They were all killed in their beds, shot in the back. 24 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,940 All found in the same position, face down. 25 00:02:33,220 --> 00:02:35,580 And there's no evidence of a struggle. 26 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,840 And that was very unusual. 27 00:02:39,630 --> 00:02:44,310 The rifle used in the murders was a Marlin rifle, .35 caliber. 28 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:46,570 It is so deafening. 29 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:50,450 Why didn't anyone hear a gunshot? 30 00:02:50,730 --> 00:02:55,310 The victims have been identified as members of the DeFeo family. 31 00:02:55,770 --> 00:02:58,070 And then the body bags started coming out. 32 00:02:58,290 --> 00:03:04,510 The father, the mother, Dawn, 18, Allison, 13, Mark, 11, 33 00:03:04,850 --> 00:03:07,250 and John, the youngest one, 9. 34 00:03:07,850 --> 00:03:09,050 We were devastated. 35 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:10,870 They were all gone. 36 00:03:11,110 --> 00:03:12,410 They were all gone. 37 00:03:13,110 --> 00:03:18,770 They were found by a 23 -year -old son, Ronald DeFeo, the only surviving member 38 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:19,770 of the family. 39 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:26,650 People were counted. This was a close -knit family. They were just very sweet, 40 00:03:26,790 --> 00:03:30,130 very religious people, very family -minded people. 41 00:03:30,330 --> 00:03:33,190 When I think of it now, I wonder. 42 00:03:38,730 --> 00:03:42,470 On the face of it, this is a family that is very good at keeping up appearances, 43 00:03:42,570 --> 00:03:44,570 but this is a family with secrets. 44 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:53,070 When the murders were uncovered, Ron was pulled in and questioned. 45 00:03:53,330 --> 00:03:58,170 Police had been questioning the son, Ronald. He initially said that this was 46 00:03:58,170 --> 00:03:59,129 mob hit. 47 00:03:59,130 --> 00:04:04,410 My father was involved with big, big people in organized crime. 48 00:04:05,130 --> 00:04:08,070 And Ronnie had even named a specific person. 49 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,020 The person was later found to have an alibi and could not have been in agony 50 00:04:13,020 --> 00:04:15,060 killing Ronnie DeFeo's family at all. 51 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,800 More intense questioning of Ronnie DeFeo. He told the police that people 52 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:25,620 into the house, they pulled him along with them, and they shot everyone while 53 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:26,620 was present. 54 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:28,860 I knew then I was set up. 55 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,420 I was going to be the scapegoat for everybody. 56 00:04:32,810 --> 00:04:36,970 They were yachts that left six members of one family dead in this charming 57 00:04:36,970 --> 00:04:42,830 colonial home. The police, they have Ronnie in custody just to talk about the 58 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:45,690 murder. And very soon they begin to wonder. 59 00:04:47,490 --> 00:04:50,670 There was a history of violence there in that household. 60 00:04:52,590 --> 00:04:55,050 Ronnie Sr., he had a temper. 61 00:04:55,470 --> 00:04:56,770 And Ron Jr. 62 00:04:57,150 --> 00:04:58,830 was subject to a lot of abuse. 63 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,400 He was the firstborn, so his father expected more from him. 64 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,680 The truth of the matter is, most of the time, I was always wrong. I was always a 65 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:13,540 joke. No matter what I did, he quit school and didn't really work. I think 66 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:15,800 was an incredibly spoiled kid. 67 00:05:16,220 --> 00:05:23,220 At 17, he was into drugs, LSD, heroin, a fifth of scotch every day. 68 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,040 And he also had a stockpile of several... 69 00:05:28,540 --> 00:05:29,840 weapons in the house. 70 00:05:30,940 --> 00:05:36,620 The relationship between Butch DeFeo and his father was coming to a head. The 71 00:05:36,620 --> 00:05:39,360 place was a powder keg waiting to explode. 72 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:46,720 He veered wildly back and forth. And then finally, Ronnie did break down and 73 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:52,080 confess. Ronnie said, yes, yes, I did it. He was an angry young man. 74 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,860 And on the night of November 13th, 1974, 75 00:05:56,940 --> 00:05:58,440 He unleashed that anger. 76 00:05:59,060 --> 00:06:01,780 And when all hell broke loose, it broke loose. 77 00:06:07,940 --> 00:06:10,520 It was about 3 .15 in the morning. 78 00:06:12,140 --> 00:06:16,360 The family's old English sheepdog, Shaggy, was howling. 79 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,960 The family had long gone to bed. 80 00:06:20,260 --> 00:06:25,100 He climbs the stairs to his father's and mother's room. He had a .35 caliber 81 00:06:25,100 --> 00:06:26,100 Marlin rifle. 82 00:06:26,540 --> 00:06:27,660 A high -powered rifle. 83 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,780 The father's the biggest threat. 84 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,140 His father had a revolver, which he kept close by. 85 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:36,760 So Ronnie's first move is to blow the father away. 86 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:43,120 And he fires two shots into the father, killing him almost instantly. 87 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:48,760 The mother starts to wake up, and Ronnie shoots two high -powered bullets almost 88 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,200 point -blank range into her. 89 00:06:51,300 --> 00:06:52,300 She's dead. 90 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,360 He then walked across the hall. 91 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:56,920 Got his two brothers. 92 00:06:57,500 --> 00:06:59,860 He fires one shot at each shot. 93 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:13,880 And he described to Detective Rafferty how he stood there and he watched 94 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,400 his little brother die. 95 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,820 That just makes your blood run cold. 96 00:07:21,380 --> 00:07:22,540 Sweet Amerson. 97 00:07:23,479 --> 00:07:29,120 DeFeo points this Marlin rifle barrel into her face and fires. 98 00:07:31,300 --> 00:07:37,060 In a confession to police, he said, once it started, I couldn't stop. 99 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,080 It went so fast. 100 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:48,060 We had asked them if anyone had awakened during all of this, and 101 00:07:48,060 --> 00:07:52,160 he told us that it's just the dawn that she was asking what was going on. 102 00:07:52,540 --> 00:07:56,580 He told her everything was okay to go back to bed, and she complied, at which 103 00:07:56,580 --> 00:07:58,040 time he continued up the stairs. 104 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:02,000 He fired a single shot and blew the side of her head off. 105 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,200 It was all over in 15 minutes. Six members of one family were dead. 106 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,880 As far as I was concerned, I got to know before they got to me. 107 00:08:29,870 --> 00:08:34,289 The funeral took place at St. Martin de Tours Church. 108 00:08:35,010 --> 00:08:37,210 The church was packed to overflowing. 109 00:08:38,850 --> 00:08:44,230 There was no sound except for the organ. It was very quiet, and suddenly they 110 00:08:44,230 --> 00:08:50,750 wheel in not one, not two, but six coffins. I just remember all six 111 00:08:50,750 --> 00:08:55,450 coffins just in the front of the altar, and it was just the most terrible thing 112 00:08:55,450 --> 00:08:57,270 you'll ever see in your life. It was terrible. 113 00:08:57,570 --> 00:08:58,630 You're just in shock. 114 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:02,780 I actually went outside for a little while and sat outside because it was 115 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,560 it was overwhelming. 116 00:09:07,540 --> 00:09:12,700 They were a great family. Mark and John Matthew were great kids. Allison was 117 00:09:12,700 --> 00:09:17,980 wonderful. Dawn, I mean, they had so much to live for and just wasted for no 118 00:09:17,980 --> 00:09:18,980 reason. 119 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:24,760 Butch was in custody when his family was buried. 120 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:34,600 I met Ronnie for the purposes of arraignment. I was shocked because of 121 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:35,640 nature of the charges. 122 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:42,260 He is charged with wiping out his whole family. It was disbelief 123 00:09:42,260 --> 00:09:44,400 that he would do such a thing. 124 00:09:44,860 --> 00:09:48,440 We're certainly going to review an insanity defense in this case. 125 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,080 Is that a tacit admission that he did pull the trigger? Absolutely not. 126 00:10:07,340 --> 00:10:11,000 Authorities in Amityville, New York, were searching for evidence while 127 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,680 their case against Ronald DeFeo Jr. 128 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:18,180 The 23 -year -old faced six counts of murder in the second degree for the 129 00:10:18,180 --> 00:10:20,140 killing of his parents and four younger siblings. 130 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:21,760 It was a tragedy. 131 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:29,140 Innocent young people died, and there was no reason for it. It was horrifying. 132 00:10:29,860 --> 00:10:31,840 I couldn't imagine it. 133 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:34,060 How can you do that? 134 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:36,440 How can you do that? 135 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,940 Every night we would watch the news for any kind of information. 136 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,440 I mean, it wasn't like today where you had 24 -hour news cycle. 137 00:10:49,660 --> 00:10:54,320 But details were emerging as investigators learned what Ron Jr. was 138 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:55,640 hours after the murders. 139 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,840 I didn't really know what to do. 140 00:10:59,700 --> 00:11:02,380 I knew what I couldn't do. I knew I couldn't call the police. 141 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,580 And I knew I couldn't call up my relatives and tell them what happened. 142 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,100 So I sat around and thought about it. 143 00:11:10,020 --> 00:11:14,900 Rhonda Thale, after committing the murders, she showered. 144 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:20,480 He packed up his bloody clothing, stuffed it into an oversized pillowcase. 145 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:27,420 Calmly went back into the bedroom to retrieve the spent shell casing from the 146 00:11:27,420 --> 00:11:29,620 rifle. He destroyed evidence. 147 00:11:30,340 --> 00:11:31,780 He drove to Brooklyn. 148 00:11:32,460 --> 00:11:34,160 and stuffed it into a storm drain. 149 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:39,020 And then he went to work at his grandfather's auto dealership. 150 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:45,000 He was able to tell Detective Rafferty where everything was, and they went and 151 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,080 they looked, and everything was exactly where he said it was. 152 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,860 He told us that he had thrown the gun in the Great South Bay, and we immediately 153 00:11:53,860 --> 00:11:58,420 sent detectives down to the bay, and with the assistance of the Marine 154 00:11:58,620 --> 00:12:00,920 they recovered the murder weapon. 155 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,720 35 caliber Marlin. 156 00:12:04,020 --> 00:12:08,900 We would have never found the weapon, only that the killer told us where it 157 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,260 But after directly pointing police towards the evidence, Ronnie Jr. 158 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:18,600 backtracks again, and he now says that the police have coerced him into a 159 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,020 confession, that they are trying to frame him, and that they planted that 160 00:12:22,020 --> 00:12:23,200 damning evidence themselves. 161 00:12:23,740 --> 00:12:26,200 Many excuses he makes to the police afterwards. 162 00:12:26,820 --> 00:12:30,800 In fact, he said, I never dumped the stuff. Police found it and told me I did 163 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,200 it. They got lucky. 164 00:12:32,740 --> 00:12:37,980 Truth of the matter is, a police diver, he was diving in shallow water over 165 00:12:37,980 --> 00:12:41,180 there and they found the gun. That was it. A mile away from my house. 166 00:12:41,780 --> 00:12:43,440 I did not direct him to it. 167 00:12:44,460 --> 00:12:48,540 Then, Ronnie begins telling people that he doesn't even remember what happened. 168 00:12:49,620 --> 00:12:53,980 Ronnie DeFeo describes himself as being totally out of it. 169 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:57,840 He may have gone into something like a dissociative state. 170 00:12:59,490 --> 00:13:04,690 Dissociation is something where you lose your bearings with your surroundings, 171 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:09,810 and you enter an emotional state where you're not quite in touch with reality, 172 00:13:10,010 --> 00:13:12,630 and you're very keyed up emotionally. 173 00:13:13,250 --> 00:13:18,330 I was really, really, really out of it, mentally out of it then. 174 00:13:18,990 --> 00:13:22,150 I remember the lever on the rifle. I hit the lever on the rifle. A live round 175 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:23,330 ammunition jumped out of the rifle. 176 00:13:23,610 --> 00:13:25,050 You know, ejected from the rifle. 177 00:13:26,730 --> 00:13:27,990 I went and ejected. 178 00:13:28,330 --> 00:13:29,490 You know, another one went in. 179 00:13:31,390 --> 00:13:36,930 He described himself as like being in a dream, going through the house, killing 180 00:13:36,930 --> 00:13:42,590 everyone in the house, and almost having a sense of unreality, 181 00:13:42,710 --> 00:13:45,690 not believing that this was all real. 182 00:13:48,290 --> 00:13:51,670 And when I realized what I did, you know, I said, my God, you know. 183 00:13:52,130 --> 00:13:55,130 I mean, it happened so fast, I never even knew what I did. 184 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:59,400 I just lost, you know, a touch of reality there for a couple of minutes. 185 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,080 After the murders, Ronnie went to work, but he left early, saying that he didn't 186 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:09,080 feel well. 187 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,760 Then he decides to go score some heroin. 188 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:20,020 In the haze of heroin and alcohol, he almost convinced himself that everything 189 00:14:20,020 --> 00:14:21,020 was okay. 190 00:14:21,500 --> 00:14:24,800 During the course of that day, I was drinking, I was using heroin again. 191 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:28,440 I had forgot what happened in the house. I really did forget. 192 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:30,900 Then he drove home. 193 00:14:31,780 --> 00:14:35,560 When he got there, he realized that he didn't have his house key, and so he 194 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:36,560 couldn't get inside. 195 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,860 I couldn't get in the house. 196 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:43,220 So a lot of time I've gone by, I'm drinking and using more dope. 197 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,680 So I finally decided that I'm going to go through the back window and go into 198 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:48,479 the house. 199 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,820 I went upstairs, and what happened? 200 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,200 It was like a nightmare. 201 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,680 I'm looking at my mother and father dead and my sister. I said, my God, I got 202 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,800 scared. I ran out of the house. 203 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,040 He did alert his friends that something had gone in in the house. 204 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:03,520 They all go over to the house. 205 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,360 They all went in the house. I stood outside. 206 00:15:06,620 --> 00:15:10,860 And I think that that's very significant in terms of an awareness of guilt. 207 00:15:11,380 --> 00:15:14,620 You're worried about your family and you bring all your friends over to your 208 00:15:14,620 --> 00:15:18,720 house saying something's wrong in the house and they all go in and you stay 209 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:19,720 outside. 210 00:15:19,900 --> 00:15:22,400 That clearly indicates that he knew that they were dead. 211 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,760 And there's a consciousness, I would argue, of guilt. 212 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:39,880 Eleven months after the brutal murders of his family, the case against Ronald 213 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,600 DeFeo Jr., also known as Butch, was ready to go to trial. 214 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,120 William Weber. 215 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:49,670 who was the court -appointed attorney for Ronald DeFeo. He was actually 216 00:15:49,670 --> 00:15:54,950 third lawyer because Ronnie had actually assaulted one of the former court 217 00:15:54,950 --> 00:15:55,990 -appointed attorneys. 218 00:15:56,410 --> 00:16:00,750 The lawyer wanted him to plead insanity for the simple reason the deck was 219 00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:01,850 stacked against him. 220 00:16:02,270 --> 00:16:03,270 Ronald Jr. 221 00:16:03,450 --> 00:16:05,030 did not want to do that. 222 00:16:05,270 --> 00:16:10,710 He was a bit more respectful of William Weber. Maybe he thought he had a better 223 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:11,830 shot at getting off. 224 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:28,160 After nearly three weeks of testimony, Ronnie DeFeo takes the stand in his own 225 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,300 defense. I was a juror. 226 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:35,560 Ronnie DeFeo was sitting right there. He didn't look like this mass murderer. 227 00:16:35,820 --> 00:16:39,660 He just sat there until he was called to testify. 228 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,500 And then when he testified, he said, yes, I did it. I killed them all. 229 00:16:44,940 --> 00:16:49,520 About halfway through his direct examination, his attorney, Mr. Weber, 230 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,240 point blank, Ronnie, did you kill your father? 231 00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:57,650 And Ronnie answered, yes, sir, I killed them all, and I killed them before they 232 00:16:57,650 --> 00:17:02,950 could kill me. So the issue as to whether or not he was the person who did 233 00:17:02,950 --> 00:17:03,950 is now moved. 234 00:17:04,170 --> 00:17:08,190 We knew he did it. We just had to determine why he did it. 235 00:17:08,510 --> 00:17:11,470 There's one major question about this crime which still hasn't been answered, 236 00:17:11,630 --> 00:17:12,810 the question of motive. 237 00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:18,589 They had a lot of people testify about his very dysfunctional childhood. 238 00:17:19,050 --> 00:17:21,069 A lot of fighting went on in that house. 239 00:17:22,170 --> 00:17:26,210 According to the defense attorney, Bill Weber, he said the closest that Ronnie 240 00:17:26,210 --> 00:17:31,070 ever explained the motive for this was that he felt that the family was 241 00:17:31,070 --> 00:17:32,470 conspiring against him. 242 00:17:32,750 --> 00:17:35,870 The man was trying to hurt me bad. He was going to kill me. 243 00:17:36,110 --> 00:17:37,630 He said it was self -defense. 244 00:17:38,090 --> 00:17:40,870 But, you know, we didn't know where that came from. That was like out of the 245 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:41,870 blue. 246 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:45,190 Another theory the police were following is that Ron Jr. 247 00:17:45,470 --> 00:17:49,590 was looking to steal money and jewelry allegedly hidden in his parents' 248 00:17:50,350 --> 00:17:53,890 And he was interrupted and then he shot the parents. And as a result of that, 249 00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:57,370 that he had to execute the other people in the house because they would be 250 00:17:57,370 --> 00:17:58,410 witnesses to his act. 251 00:17:59,090 --> 00:18:02,470 But no money has ever been found. 252 00:18:04,090 --> 00:18:10,590 Another motive that the police were developing was he wanted to kill his 253 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:12,110 and mother for the insurance money. 254 00:18:12,390 --> 00:18:14,310 It's reported that Ronald DeFeo Jr. 255 00:18:14,530 --> 00:18:18,210 stood to gain about $200 ,000 in life insurance from the death of his family. 256 00:18:18,550 --> 00:18:19,550 He told. 257 00:18:20,060 --> 00:18:24,360 One of the cops, can I get insurance on my family? 258 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,880 He wondered if he could get insurance on the people he shot. 259 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,420 The defense strategy wasn't to determine why he committed the murders. They 260 00:18:35,420 --> 00:18:39,800 decided to prove that Ron Jr. wasn't responsible for his actions because he 261 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:40,800 legally insane. 262 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,320 It was a defense Ronnie had fought against with his first two attorneys. 263 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,180 now, with William Weber, they were ready to roll the dice. 264 00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:51,330 My attorney used insanity as his defense. 265 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:54,590 He told me you ought to go in a courtroom and act crazy. 266 00:18:54,810 --> 00:18:56,730 Make these people think you're crazy. 267 00:18:57,790 --> 00:18:59,850 Was Ronnie insane? 268 00:19:00,150 --> 00:19:05,910 Did he know what he was doing? The insanity defense was, I guess, the best 269 00:19:05,910 --> 00:19:10,550 William Weber could do under the circumstances because he had his work 270 00:19:10,550 --> 00:19:15,010 for him. In our legal criminal justice system, to really be found not guilty by 271 00:19:15,010 --> 00:19:17,010 reason of insanity, you typically need... 272 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:23,480 To have been so disordered and detached from reality that you really didn't know 273 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,540 what you were doing or that you didn't know that it was wrong. 274 00:19:26,940 --> 00:19:30,100 At times he would say he was insane. 275 00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:35,500 Hey, I didn't seem like myself. I saw the dark hands that resembled my sister 276 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:36,580 hand me a gun. 277 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,900 But then he would let it flip like, no, I'm not crazy. I feel sane. It was very. 278 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,100 Very bad theater acting. 279 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,860 Changing stories was part of the insanity. You cannot go in a courtroom 280 00:19:49,860 --> 00:19:50,860 on one track. 281 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,900 If you stay on one track, you're not insane. 282 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:57,220 You're very intelligent and know what you're doing. 283 00:19:57,860 --> 00:19:59,800 That was part of the insanity. 284 00:20:01,100 --> 00:20:06,540 His condition, by his own admission, don't meet the criteria for not guilty 285 00:20:06,540 --> 00:20:07,540 reason of insanity. 286 00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:14,530 But going into jury deliberations, the outcome wasn't clear. The two youngest 287 00:20:14,530 --> 00:20:20,370 jurors would be holdouts. I wanted to believe that he wasn't responsible. 288 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:24,550 I hoped that he didn't realize what he was doing. 289 00:20:25,090 --> 00:20:31,570 But we were deliberating for two days, and then something stuck in my head 290 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:32,650 his dog. 291 00:20:32,910 --> 00:20:36,650 And it came down at the end to the dog. 292 00:20:37,180 --> 00:20:40,000 the family's old English sheepdog, Shaggy. 293 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,540 The dog didn't like him. He didn't like the dog. 294 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:49,240 So before he went on this shooting rampage, he took the dog and put the dog 295 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,240 outside. 296 00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:57,060 Shaggy was actually tied out in the shed that night. And at the time of the 297 00:20:57,060 --> 00:21:02,320 murder, the dog was howling straight for that 15 or 20 minutes that it took 298 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,380 Ronnie to kill his family. 299 00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:08,750 It just clicked in my mind at that point. 300 00:21:09,390 --> 00:21:14,050 He knew this dog would come after him if he started going after the family. 301 00:21:15,170 --> 00:21:19,670 And it was just so clear to me at that moment that he knew exactly what he was 302 00:21:19,670 --> 00:21:20,670 doing. 303 00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:30,710 The jury deliberated, and they handed down a guilty verdict. 304 00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:35,790 Justice Stark, he gave him six... 305 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,080 Life sentences. 306 00:21:37,260 --> 00:21:41,140 So 25 to life with the possibility of parole. 307 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:47,760 Judge Stark made it a point to say it is my recommendation 308 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,200 that he never be released. 309 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:55,180 It would be a lot easier for me to admit that I killed everybody in the house 310 00:21:55,180 --> 00:21:59,540 and I was stoned on drugs and that would have been the end of this. 311 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,100 There were very strange. 312 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,740 things associated with the DeFeo murders that the coroner, the forensic people 313 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:09,340 could not understand. 314 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:14,820 Before you know it, people are talking about this house allegedly being 315 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:32,020 Welcome back to Very Scary People. 316 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,960 A year after six members of the DeFeo family were found murdered in their 317 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,000 Amityville, New York home, the eldest son, Ronald Jr., was convicted of the 318 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 brutal crimes. 319 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:48,700 He was given six sentences of 25 years to life, one for each family member he 320 00:22:48,700 --> 00:22:53,400 killed. Then came the strange twist that inspired the movie. 321 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,320 In December of 1975, Ronnie DeFeo Jr. 322 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,580 was moving into his new home in prison, and a new family was moving into the 323 00:23:07,580 --> 00:23:09,600 DeFeo home in Amityville. 324 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:18,780 The house stayed empty for a year, after which the Briganti and 325 00:23:18,780 --> 00:23:23,740 DeFeo relatives sold the house to George and Kathy Lutz. 326 00:23:24,650 --> 00:23:28,710 For George and Kathy Lutz and their three children, this Dutch colonial at 327 00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:31,270 Ocean Avenue was to have been a dream house. 328 00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:33,910 But by their accounts, it was a hellish nightmare. 329 00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:39,490 And 28 days later, they ran for their lives. 330 00:23:40,770 --> 00:23:45,350 Before you know it, people are talking about this house allegedly being 331 00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:49,650 The Lutzes claim the house was haunted by evil spirits. 332 00:23:49,990 --> 00:23:51,290 They were very strange. 333 00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:58,760 things associated with the DeFeo murders that even the coroner, the forensic 334 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,720 people could not understand. 335 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,760 How did it stay so quiet? How did nobody else wake up? If the first person was 336 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:11,060 killed, wouldn't the second or fourth, wouldn't somebody wake up? How can you 337 00:24:11,060 --> 00:24:16,860 sleep through 35 -caliber, high -powered rifle going off? 338 00:24:18,020 --> 00:24:20,160 Why didn't anybody really wake up? 339 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:22,060 try and defend themselves. 340 00:24:22,460 --> 00:24:28,180 The parapsychologist said it was phantomania, some kind of a psychic 341 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,620 that they didn't hear the shots and they could not cry out. 342 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:35,600 But why was there phantomania? 343 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,180 That's still a question that's being asked. 344 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,160 And why were they all found face down? 345 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,600 Nobody has ever been able to explain that. 346 00:24:47,180 --> 00:24:49,300 Ron DeFeo once said... 347 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,640 that he heard voices telling him to kill. 348 00:24:52,460 --> 00:24:59,240 He sensed a shadowy figure alongside him, compelling him to shoot one member 349 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,340 the family after another. 350 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,620 So there's now a new family in there, and they're claiming that they were 351 00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:11,780 terrified by all kinds of things in there. 352 00:25:12,820 --> 00:25:18,700 I went out, met George and Kathy Lutz, sat and talked to them for five and a 353 00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:24,360 half. And they seemed genuinely frightened and scared. 354 00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:29,820 They claimed the house was demonized. They claimed all kinds of occult things 355 00:25:29,820 --> 00:25:33,940 were happening there. There was green and black slime coming from the walls. 356 00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,980 There was an infestation of flies. 357 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:40,380 George could never get warm. He was always cold. 358 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Kathy said she looked in the mirror one morning and her face, instead of being 359 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,590 that of a 29 -year -old, was that of an old hag. 360 00:25:49,530 --> 00:25:52,130 The story got bigger and more embellished. 361 00:25:52,350 --> 00:25:59,210 Ghosts flying to levitating, to doors flying off hinges, to demons, to satanic 362 00:25:59,210 --> 00:26:00,210 forces. 363 00:26:00,410 --> 00:26:02,390 When you hear this, it's unbelievable. 364 00:26:02,610 --> 00:26:05,850 But they were very convincing in telling the story. 365 00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:12,610 But whatever, this story, we were going to cover it. Because everybody loves a 366 00:26:12,610 --> 00:26:13,610 good ghost story. 367 00:26:15,370 --> 00:26:20,150 Doggett Lee pursued the story and reached out to parapsychologists Ed and 368 00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:21,149 Lorraine Warren. 369 00:26:21,150 --> 00:26:25,450 For about 40 years now, Ed and Lorraine Warren of Monroe, Connecticut, have 370 00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:28,490 investigated cases of haunted houses and demonic possession. 371 00:26:29,030 --> 00:26:35,970 We went to the house to investigate why one family were all murdered, 372 00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:38,270 another family moved in and fled. 373 00:26:39,050 --> 00:26:45,000 After that, it was arranged that we would have this seance on March 6th. At 374 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 How. 375 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,500 It was a Saturday night. I was anchoring the news, and afterward, the news 376 00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:56,000 director says, you're going to Amityville. 377 00:26:56,300 --> 00:27:01,380 My assignment that Saturday night in March 1976 was to stay in the house and 378 00:27:01,380 --> 00:27:03,840 report on any unusual activity at all. 379 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:11,040 So I was there at midnight, and I walked in, and here were about a dozen people 380 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,660 around a big table. 381 00:27:13,150 --> 00:27:18,950 and a crucifix, a blessed candle, and a couple of psychics, Mary Pascarella and 382 00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:19,950 Alberta Riley. 383 00:27:20,650 --> 00:27:24,810 So there were about 20, 25 people, and we had a three -man film crew. 384 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:32,230 They started the seance, and I remember sitting there with the recorder rolling, 385 00:27:32,370 --> 00:27:37,150 and suddenly I heard Mary Pascarella. 386 00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:40,370 She was going into... 387 00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:44,550 This trance, and she said, I saw this blackness. 388 00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:48,810 It's like a black shadow that forms a hood. 389 00:27:50,250 --> 00:27:51,510 And it moved. 390 00:27:52,190 --> 00:27:54,790 It was marvelous. I'd never seen something like this before. 391 00:27:55,250 --> 00:28:00,810 And then another psychic started seeing things. 392 00:28:01,330 --> 00:28:03,070 Alberta Riley screamed, 393 00:28:04,690 --> 00:28:06,970 it's upstairs in the second bedroom. 394 00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:09,170 Whatever it's here. 395 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,760 And she ran out of the room screaming. 396 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:21,660 At 3 .15 in the morning, that was the precise time Ron DeFeo committed the 397 00:28:21,660 --> 00:28:22,660 murders. 398 00:28:23,540 --> 00:28:30,060 Lorraine Warren and I went to the sewing room up there where the strongest 399 00:28:30,060 --> 00:28:32,320 force was said to be present. 400 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,360 We sat there with a candle in the middle of the floor and... 401 00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:40,110 It was dark except for the candle. 402 00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:42,830 We waited. 403 00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:49,850 And the rain burst. She said, Marvin, this is the closest to hell I ever want 404 00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:55,290 get. Ronald DeFeo was demonically influenced and committing that horrible 405 00:28:59,390 --> 00:29:04,910 Ronnie DeFeo Jr.'s lawyer, William Weber, thought this as an opportunity to 406 00:29:04,910 --> 00:29:05,910 his client. 407 00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:07,510 George and Kathy Lutz. 408 00:29:07,930 --> 00:29:12,710 approached William Weber, and William Weber listened to the story. And what 409 00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:13,429 he do? 410 00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:19,050 He sits down and begins to think, maybe we can make something out of this house. 411 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:22,910 William Weber was quick to seize on the idea. 412 00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:29,910 There was talk of, oh, let's try and get an appeal for Ronnie on the 413 00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:35,270 basis of possession, or the devil made me do it. 414 00:29:36,810 --> 00:29:38,630 Hence, the Amityville Horror was born. 415 00:29:39,090 --> 00:29:43,590 Nobody knew that it was going to morph into what it has become. 416 00:29:43,970 --> 00:29:50,430 And to this day, it's still going on. You will believe in the Amityville 417 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,880 A year after the murders of the DeFeo family in Amityville, Long Island, their 418 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,600 house was once again the site of horror. 419 00:30:10,940 --> 00:30:15,480 Was it a demonic force that greeted the George Lutz family, which they claim 420 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,140 drove them to run for their lives just weeks after moving in? They created a 421 00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:23,240 story that has fascinated and unnerved millions. 422 00:30:24,060 --> 00:30:29,700 What happened to them is an experience in terror you will never forget. 423 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,620 If it wasn't for the Amityville Horror, people would have forgotten about this 424 00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:35,660 case long ago. 425 00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:41,840 The Amityville Horror became famous in the book by Jay Anson, written in 1977. 426 00:30:42,220 --> 00:30:48,700 The story was George and Kathy Lutz's account of their 28 -day stay at 112 427 00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:50,400 Ocean Avenue the year before. 428 00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:55,360 A story, they claimed, that was fraught with the horrors that nightmares are 429 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,019 made of. 430 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:57,320 They claimed that... 431 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,000 There was a pig on the windowsill that looked like a demon. And furniture was 432 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,920 flying and doors were going off the hinges. 433 00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:09,740 Kathy Luss is levitating. She's off the ground just like in The Exorcist. 434 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:16,040 And all attributable to some kind of demon or evil spirit. 435 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,880 As quickly as the Lusset story spread, questions arose. 436 00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:30,620 Could this be a case of a true haunting, or is it just a wild hoax? Because the 437 00:31:30,620 --> 00:31:34,200 family had made some unusual requests when they had purchased the home. 438 00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:42,780 The Lutz family moved into the house right after the court case. 439 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:49,180 And when they bought the house, they made sure that they paid a little extra 440 00:31:49,180 --> 00:31:54,400 the furniture that belonged to the DeFeo family to remain in the house. 441 00:31:55,810 --> 00:32:02,790 including, by the way, the bed that the DeFeo children had been murdered in. Why 442 00:32:02,790 --> 00:32:05,690 would you want furniture of a family that was murdered? 443 00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:12,910 Then came the claims of supernatural hauntings and happenings. 444 00:32:17,310 --> 00:32:23,090 That night I spent in that house in Amityville, I saw no evidence of... 445 00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:29,020 green slime oozing from the walls. I saw no evidence of infestation of flies. 446 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:36,420 I observed nothing that would support the story of this house being 447 00:32:36,420 --> 00:32:38,880 occupied by demons. 448 00:32:40,580 --> 00:32:47,060 As soon as it came out, my first impression was Mr. Weber, who 449 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,600 was trying to get him out on insanity again. They're trying to say that He was 450 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,180 possessed. It was evil in the house. 451 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:05,300 Yet despite the questions that arose from the start, Jay Anson's book rose to 452 00:33:05,300 --> 00:33:09,140 the top of the New York Times bestseller list in nonfiction. 453 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,280 And it was not a true story. 454 00:33:12,780 --> 00:33:14,520 The house was not haunted. 455 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,560 There was nothing wrong with that house. 456 00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:18,720 The whole thing was a hoax that made money. 457 00:33:20,340 --> 00:33:25,420 In correspondence I had with Rhonda Fayo, He said this old Amityville horror 458 00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:29,900 a moneymaker, and he blames his attorney, Bill Weber, who was his 459 00:33:29,900 --> 00:33:33,440 attorney, for creating this with the Lutz family. 460 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,640 During the course of my trial, some priest was in the courtroom watching my 461 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,800 performance on the witness stand. 462 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:48,200 He felt that my performance, I had to be possessed by the devil. 463 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:54,040 This was also, you figure, just a year or two after the movie The Exorcist had 464 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,000 debuted and was such a big hit. 465 00:33:56,340 --> 00:34:02,180 Mr. Weber says, listen, these people named Lutz has bought your house, and we 466 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:06,500 can use them and make money. That's how the haunted house nonsense started. 467 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:13,480 I reached out to Bill Weber. I asked how the story evolved of the demonic 468 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,260 forces supposedly in the house, and he said, Over dinner with George and Kathy 469 00:34:19,260 --> 00:34:20,260 Lutz. 470 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,460 We said that and we talked. 471 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,380 We had a nice evening conversation. 472 00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:27,440 And they saw a good story in it. 473 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:32,460 And he said the story grew and grew and it became what it is today. 474 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:42,820 Somewhere along the line, there was a parting of ways and not amicable between 475 00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:46,239 William Weber and George and Kathy Lutz. 476 00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:51,850 They suit each other. The Lutzes for alleged invasion of privacy and 477 00:34:51,850 --> 00:34:56,850 infliction of emotional distress. And Weber for perpetrating a fraud and 478 00:34:56,850 --> 00:34:57,850 of contract. 479 00:34:58,310 --> 00:35:01,750 Is this fact or fiction? It's fiction. 480 00:35:02,510 --> 00:35:06,470 Absolutely. We can sit here for three weeks and I'll keep telling you each 481 00:35:06,610 --> 00:35:07,610 it's a fraud. 482 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:15,150 The Amityville Horror Franchise. 483 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:19,610 which has growth in the hundreds of millions of dollars, now includes more 484 00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:22,150 20 movies and countless documentaries. 485 00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:24,990 There's something evil in my house. 486 00:35:28,170 --> 00:35:33,390 And despite the claims, George Lutz claimed that the haunting was real until 487 00:35:33,390 --> 00:35:34,348 day he died. 488 00:35:34,350 --> 00:35:39,150 The Amityville house appears to be quite peaceful now. There's been no evidence 489 00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:42,870 of any strange occurrences here since the Lutz family fled. 490 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:48,200 In 79, after the Lutzes left, I interviewed the people who were living 491 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,820 house, the Cromerties, Barbara and Jim. They told me there was nothing going on 492 00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:53,379 in there. 493 00:35:53,380 --> 00:35:58,440 As far as we're concerned, the Amityville hoax is the real horror. 494 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:05,060 People have lived in that house for almost 50 years since this has happened, 495 00:36:05,060 --> 00:36:06,640 nobody's ever had a problem. 496 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,040 The house isn't haunted. The people that live there now sure know that it's not 497 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,540 haunted. And Ronnie knows that it isn't haunted. 498 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,980 My lawyer had to stick his two cents in and wanted to make us millions of 499 00:36:19,980 --> 00:36:21,560 dollars, which I never got. 500 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,220 And the sad point is, you don't need demons and ghosts. 501 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:33,500 The true Amityville story is what led to six people dying. 502 00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:35,100 That's what's horrific. 503 00:36:36,020 --> 00:36:40,220 The horror in itself is my family getting killed. I guess that's the only 504 00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:41,220 tragedy here. 505 00:36:41,470 --> 00:36:43,710 Everything else is fantasy, 506 00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:46,770 really. 507 00:36:46,850 --> 00:36:47,850 It's fiction. 508 00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,370 The evil in the house with him. 509 00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:04,190 I'm Ronald Butch DeFale. 510 00:37:04,570 --> 00:37:08,430 I was found guilty of killing my mother, father, two brothers, and two sisters. 511 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,380 And I was sentenced to 25 to life. 512 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,260 I spent the first four years of my incarceration in Greenhaven Correctional 513 00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:21,260 Facility. 514 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,460 That was where I met Ryan DeFeo. 515 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,660 At times it was very pleasant when we would reminisce together, talk about 516 00:37:28,660 --> 00:37:34,560 Amityville. He was just a nice older guy from the same town that I knew as a 517 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,840 kid. And he kind of forgot. 518 00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:40,960 that this man was accused of killing his entire family. 519 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,240 After 40 years in prison, Ronnie DeFeo told me an ever -changing story of his 520 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:54,400 versions of what happened on the fateful night that sent him to prison. 521 00:37:54,740 --> 00:37:56,980 At first, Ronnie blamed the mafia. 522 00:37:57,220 --> 00:38:01,220 He said, here I am, doing time for what these guys did. 523 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:04,280 Then I brought it up again. 524 00:38:04,890 --> 00:38:09,470 And he forgot that he had earlier told me that the mafia had killed his family 525 00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:12,350 and went into a whole different narrative. 526 00:38:12,730 --> 00:38:14,430 He said it was his sister. 527 00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:17,390 I'm not innocent, but I'm not guilty of this whole crap. 528 00:38:19,550 --> 00:38:25,010 Ronnie DeFeo said that his sister Dawn murdered his entire family and he was 529 00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:29,830 barely able to escape her. Dawn had grabbed a rifle and we got into a 530 00:38:29,830 --> 00:38:33,130 match. I was pretty hyped up and I picked her up. 531 00:38:33,610 --> 00:38:34,610 And I tore it down. 532 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:40,190 She landed on the bed. I grabbed the rifle and shot her in the head. 533 00:38:42,110 --> 00:38:46,090 Ronnie claimed that it was his sister Dawn who had killed their parents 534 00:38:46,090 --> 00:38:48,910 she wanted to elope with her boyfriend and her parents wouldn't let her. 535 00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:52,430 And he also claimed that Dawn planned to pin the murders on him. 536 00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:56,070 I was set up and brought into this by my sister. 537 00:38:56,330 --> 00:38:58,710 I was going to be the scapegoat for this whole thing. 538 00:39:00,430 --> 00:39:06,480 But to this day, There has been no evidence that anyone else other than Ron 539 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,980 DeFeo committed those murders. 540 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:16,400 Ronnie DeFeo's actual sentence is only 25 to life. That means that after the 25 541 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,140 years, he started going to parole boards. 542 00:39:20,340 --> 00:39:26,060 You would think that he might want to avoid that traumatic experience, but no, 543 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,240 he thinks that they still might let him out. 544 00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:34,130 What I have to do now is just get the truth out and straighten this out so I 545 00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:35,130 get out of prison. 546 00:39:35,690 --> 00:39:39,710 Will we ever know the true story of what happened that night? What motivated Ron 547 00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,730 DeFeo? Only Ron DeFeo can answer that. 548 00:39:43,410 --> 00:39:46,890 And I don't think we'll ever get a true answer because he's told so many 549 00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:48,410 differing stories over the years. 550 00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:55,610 I think that the shifting stories that DeFeo gives are really consistent with 551 00:39:55,610 --> 00:40:01,970 psychopathy, psychopaths. seem to lack any moral reasoning, and they tend to 552 00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:06,690 just produce excuses for their behavior almost in random fashion. 553 00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:12,370 Everybody else is scared, and you know what you're all afraid of? You know I 554 00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:16,950 this with other f***ing people, and you're all afraid to deal with reality 555 00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:20,830 because that's reality, not this s*** coming out of your mouth. 556 00:40:21,420 --> 00:40:23,980 There may also be a motivation for attention. 557 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:28,420 He seems to enjoy the attention. He seems to enjoy being interviewed in 558 00:40:28,420 --> 00:40:30,740 the camera and telling his story. 559 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,040 He basks in that glory. 560 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,080 They made a monster out of me. 561 00:40:35,660 --> 00:40:38,500 People are afraid of me. People in here are afraid of me. These dogs in here are 562 00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:39,500 afraid of me. 563 00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:41,060 Terrified of me. 564 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:48,780 He looks like the disaffected, sort of angry, lost person that he was then. 565 00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,620 It's not like age has given him any kind of wisdom or hindsight. 566 00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,500 He's a mass murderer. He took a rifle, blasted his family to death, and came up 567 00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:04,600 with so many lies afterwards that nobody believes a word he said. 568 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:12,240 I'm the devil, I'm possessed, I'm supposed to be vicious, a madman, 569 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,760 voices, which is all nonsense. 570 00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:15,800 I realize I'm a bad guy, but... 571 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,680 You know, what they're doing to me, it's a little blown out of proportion, you 572 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:20,680 know? 573 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,120 It's been decades since Ronald DeFeo Jr. 574 00:41:25,420 --> 00:41:29,260 brutally murdered his entire family that November night in Amityville. 575 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,000 And investigators still don't know why he did it. 576 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,740 The secret DeFeo took to his grave. 577 00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:37,620 He died in prison in March of 2021. 578 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,020 I'm Donnie Wahlberg. 579 00:41:40,300 --> 00:41:41,340 Thanks for watching. 580 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,640 Good night. 581 00:41:47,500 --> 00:41:50,360 You're watching HLN On Demand. 582 00:41:50,410 --> 00:41:54,960 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0 53030

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