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That scared the hell out of me.

That's what I was trying to do.

I did not want her to see where we was
going.

I just pointed to him and said, look,
you're a professional.

You know there's some risk to what
you've been doing.

If you do exactly what I tell you,
you're not going to get hurt.

You're just going to accomplish off the
bad experience and be a little bit more

careful next time who you're going to
proposition or go out with.

Welcome to Very Scary People. I'm Donnie
Wahlberg.

He was one of the most notorious
murderers in Alaska's history.

A skilled hunter, Robert Hansen had a
particular brand of terror.

He brought his young female victims out
into the wilderness, where he chased

them down and shot them like prey.

He got away with his crimes for years,
disguising himself as an unassuming

family man who owned a neighborhood
bakery.

Tonight, we'll hear from Robert Hansen
in his own words.

a rare glimpse into the twisted mind of
a dangerous and sadistic predator.

This is part one of The Butcher Baker.

I had just gotten a small boat, and the
Kinnick River was right there, so I

thought it would be an excellent time to
go down the river and do a quick

hunting trip, along with my friend Adi
Holloway, and find some moose.

The Kinnick River is actually a very
short river. It's a glacial river that

just far enough away from Anchorage to
be in the wilderness, but still close

enough to get back and forth fairly
quickly.

As we were coming down the river, wind
was blowing. We were getting blown

on the river pretty bad.

A group of trees that were down by the
river seemed like a good place to get

of the wind, put a tent up, and camp for
the night.

I think probably the first thing that
drew attention was the moon boot that we

saw. It just didn't fit in with the
area. And then as we were looking a

bit closer, I saw a patch of denim.

It had been torn some, so I could tell
underneath that there was a kneecap

there. And that pretty much hold us what
we had there.

There was a body.

It was too far out for most people, like
a hiker, to just fall over.

My sense was there was some kind of a
homicide.

So it was, let's hike out and get the
troopers and bring them out here.

They started working their way down to
the body.

One of the first things that came
visible was the victim's head.

She has an ace bandage wrapped around
her head.

You see that and you start thinking, my
God, she's probably been kidnapped from

somewhere. She's sitting there not
knowing what's happening, where she's

She was shot in the chest when they
shifted to the dirt. There was a .223

that they ended up finding there.

The .223 caliber come with a number of
semi -automatic weapons.

They're light, very powerful shell.

They're designed to kill.

The bullets were from...

High -power hunting rifle used to kill
large game.

The first inklings was probably someone
who knows his way around hunting.

The victim was identified as 23 -year
-old Sherry Morrow.

She'd been missing about 10 months.

She was working as a dancer in
Anchorage.

The morning she disappeared, she left a
note.

to her friend Lisa and said she was
going to a photo shoot. She was going to

Alice's 210 restaurant in downtown
Anchorage and that whoever was going to

was going to pay her $300 and she never
saw her again.

Her boyfriend reported her missing and
one of the things he pointed out was

she had this arrowhead necklace that she
always wore. Now when they find her,

And they identify her.

That jewelry is not with her. That piece
of jewelry is missing. It wasn't found

in her grave with her.

Sherry Morrow wasn't the only dancer who
had vanished. There were others.

Almost all were in their early 20s who
had disappeared after an afternoon date.

She's left everything she owns.

She's gone out on a date.

The people that she keeps her contact
with is not hearing from her.

And she's gone.

Alaska in the 1970s is a boom town.

If there's anything like the wild, wild
west, it was Anchorage, Alaska in the

1970s.

They discovered oil in the North Slope.

And then they have to build a pipeline.

The pipeline started up very quickly in
the early 70s. Anchorage was relatively

small and compact.

And in the span of basically 10 years,
from 73 to 83, its population almost

doubled. And there was lots of money,
lots of drugs, lots of illegal

activity. There's a lot of people from
the outside coming up to Alaska, and

land on 4th Avenue, which Bob Hope once
described as the longest bar in the

world. There's girls.

There's booze.

The area became known as the Tenderloin
District because all of a sudden there

was a lot of topless, bottomless bars
and a lot of women working on the

Some of the ladies were, especially
during the pipeline days, were here

gone tomorrow.

There had been several women reported
missing from that area.

So a stripper is missing, so what? She
just went somewhere else. Nobody known

for...

where a lot of these people are at, and
they disappear.

Unless something happens and somebody
gets caught, they're never going to

This part of town, it comes alive at
night.

There's all the clubs, there's the
topless clubs, the bottomless clubs, the

women on the street.

He was right there. And of course, it
was like a smorgasbord to him.

All these women.

It gave me a thrill.

And so this monster

that he turned out to be, for many
people, I think it was truly an

don't think they had any idea what he
was capable of doing.

I'm not saying that I hate all women. I
don't.

Quite the contrary. If I get to my own
mind, what I would classify as a good

woman, not a prostitute, I'd do
everything in my power,

any way, shape, or form, to do anything
for her.

I guess prostitutes are one that I'm
putting down as lower than myself.

This is 1983. For the last two or three
years, there have been reports in

Anchorage to the police of dancers and
prostitutes suddenly turning up

missing. People who are close to them
say, you know, she went. The guy offered

her $200 for a photography shot. She
never came back.

There was a big rumor on the streets
about something going on.

I was working foot to toe down on the
avenue for a number of years.

The prostitutes were nervous. The
dancers were nervous. Of course, most of

were way behind the power curve on that
one.

And then in the spring, another woman
disappears off the face of the earth.

Her name was Paula Golding.

Paula Golding had got into dancing kind
of sideways. She'd worked as a

secretary. She didn't much like it.

Thought she'd try her hand at dancing.
She kind of got the hint that if you go

bottomless, you'll make more money. The
night she decides to go bottomless is

the same night she met this guy, and he
offers her $200 for a photo shoot.

Paula shows up at the prearranged
meeting place and gets into his car.

Then he threatens her with a gun and
handcuffs her.

From there, he would go to Merrill
Field.

He had an airplane, Piper Super Cub.

He's flown them to this remote place.

So just being there is scary.

And then they have a meat shack out
here.

Meat shack is where once you get the
game, you need to get it off the ground.

You need to get it dry.

So a meat shack is a place where you put
poles up inside, tie the meat up to it,

and just use it to preserve the game
that you've got.

That's a door.

This is where we're going to spend the
day.

But maybe I should have called her to
check to her.

Maybe that's what got her lying to
think.

As we were walking in here, a damn plane
came down the river.

He made a pass around.

I said, oh, some bitch is going to stop.

And I said, there comes a plane. I said,
let's get out of sight. Some bitch

lands, we're going to have a problem.

He decides he can't let this pilot see
her. And it doesn't look like he's

going away because he flies and then
he's coming back around.

The pilot comes around again and he
waggles

his wings, which is kind of like an
airplane speak.

How you doing? Okay.

By then, she's totally freaked.

But she just got more and more
hysterical.

She broke away from me again and started
to run.

And, oh, you're going to kill me right
now. And everything just went back.

How many times was she shot?

I remember the gun going off.

How many times went off? I don't know.

Once, twice, three times. I don't know.

He knew what he was doing was evil, but
he got, apparently,

pleasure from it.

What we're trying to do is make some
determination as to whether or not we

one suspect involved in a number of
these missing person cases or whether or

we have a series of multiple suspects.

Nine months after Sherry Morrow's body
was found, a young woman is working the

streets at about 11 .30 at night.

Her name is Cindy Paulson.

17 years old.

She's been a prostitute for a while,
even though she's only 17.

She

gets

into the car, and almost immediately,
she's in handcuffs with a gun in her

So he takes her to his house.

He took her down to the basement where
he had a trophy room.

There are at least three doll sheep
heads on the wall.

There's goat heads on the wall. There's
rabbits. There's birds.

And he immediately says, and I want to
make love to you, but I want you to be

chained.

Did he say anything to you or talk to
you when

he was having sexual relations?

He raped her, assaulted her several
times, and then chained her up and

went to sleep on a couch and left her
there.

So when she's down there in this
basement, all she sees are animals and

clock ticking, ticking.

And she thinks, I'm not going to live.

I can't imagine the horror of that. He
goes to sleep and she's sitting there

thinking she's going to die, taking note
of all the things she sees while she's

also figuring out how to get out of it.

And I lived with my mom.

And I would never tell nobody.

And he told me that since he liked me so
good, that he would take me to his

cabin and would make love to me one time
and bring me back.

And he said that he had a plane over at
Merrill Airfield, that we would go

there, and that he would take me to his
cabin and bring me back.

And I knew that I was going to come
back.

Cindy was handcuffed, barefoot, and he
put her in his car and covered her with

an Army blanket and then drove to
Merrill Field and was in the process of

getting his plane ready.

Cindy was smart enough to know that she
better make her move and escape now that

it would be her last chance.

She's running.

She's barefoot.

She's in handcuffs. There's a man behind
her with a gun, and a truck drives by.

She screams. He stops. She gets in.

She did not even want to go to the
police.

She wants to be let out at a motel
that's very close to where she's been

staying.

He was a good Samaritan and he dropped
her off.

And then he contacts the police.

The APD officer, Greg Baker, and his
partner were on patrol and they found

the room that Cindy Paulson was in. She
was still handcuffed and hysterical.

She was highly traumatized.

The cops get her out of the cuffs, and
then she calms down and she starts to be

able to tell him what happened.

She saw what he looked like. She could
describe him quite well.

He had some distinctive characteristics,
one of which was that he stuttered and

he had bad complexion.

But she was a reluctant victim.

She was afraid of coming forward because
she was convinced that you would be

able to kill her.

Prostitutes also don't want to get
involved with the police.

They live an illegal lifestyle too, so
to go to the police seems against your

own best interests in a way, especially
when you don't think they'll even

believe you.

But Baker's...

Instincts led him to believe her right
away.

They take her to the hospital for what's
called a rape kit.

On the way to the hospital, Officer
Baker takes Cindy to Merrill Airfield to

if she can identify her attacker's
plane.

Cindy was able to point to the Super
Cub. She said, oh, there's the plane,

there's the plane.

And so, of course, they can read the
tail numbers, and they can check who

the plane. And while they're standing
there, a security guard comes by and

I've got this license number on his car.
And so they match those two things, and

boom, they have a name, they have an
address.

His name is Robert Chris Hansen.

And they go to that address, and Cindy
says, it's that house right there. It's

the one with the antlers above the
garage.

Welcome back to Very Scary People.

By the summer of 1983, several dancers
and prostitutes had disappeared from

downtown Anchorage.

In the meantime, Robert Hansen continued
to live an ordinary life as a baker and

family man.

When his wife and children left town on
vacation, Hansen planned what he'd call

his summertime project, which included
the kidnapping, rape, and torture of

vulnerable young women.

You know, there's just some things that
until you're married to a woman, you

just don't do with your wife.

It was all right to unleash your
prostitutes. I could do things with them

couldn't do with a good woman.

Bob Hanson, he really differentiated
women. You know, you had your good girls

and your bad girls. But his wife was a
good girl. She was pious and went to

church, and she very much focused on
raising the children.

They lived very separate lives.

He was into hunting. She was into
church. She was...

A very hard worker, very dutiful, very
intelligent, very sensitive.

Darla was somewhat of a loner herself.

Robert Hansen's bakery was on a one -way
street that leads up to downtown

Anchorage. You make a turn, and there's
all the clubs.

Unknown to Bob Hansen's wife, when she
thought that he was working at the

bakery, he was actually hanging out at
the strip club.

He was not the guy who looked dangerous,
really presented himself.

He's kind of shy.

He would always sit toward the back of
the club so that the women had to come

him while he's in the corner.

He doesn't ever want to be seen with
these women. So the deal is he would

her not then, but later.

Then when they come to meet him, he's
always like parked somewhere so that he

can see them coming.

They had to come by a taxi or something
like that.

And if someone pulled up with them, they
turned around and left.

He's gone.

When you met with women like this, was
it always when your family was away?

No. I did not attempt to go to my home
or my family. It was around town.

Why did you drive out the road instead
of just going to a motel in town?

That made it more commercialized.

You know, if you go to a motel, it's
more or less like a prostitution.

I guess I was trying to convince myself
maybe I wasn't really buying sex. It was

being given to me.

Around town, Bob Hanson has a reputation
of standing successful business owner

who is in a successful marriage with two
kids.

People talk about how you'd go into the
bakery, and Robert Hanson was there

still in the morning. He was very
pleasant.

He was, if anything, humble, meek,
quiet.

He was strange, but he was harmless
strange as far as I was concerned.

He was a good baker.

I went there many times and got coffee
and donuts. He established himself as a

community man.

Everybody came by the bakery.

Hi, Bob. Bye, Bob. And so, yes, he was
definitely a known entity.

So Robert Hanson grew up in a very small
town in Iowa called Pocahontas.

Pocahontas, Iowa, wonderful town, great
people. It was a farming community.

It was just a great place to grow up.

His dad was a baker, and Robert had
learned the bakery business by

His father expected a lot of him. Mr.
Hanson worked his son pretty hard.

He was a hard -nosed authoritarian.

Robert felt worked to death.

and getting hardly anything for it. His
dad was demeaning toward him. His own

dad would make fun of him.

Bob was never good enough. He was not
very good in school, and he was born

-handed, and they made him be right
-handed, and he stutters, and he doesn't

have many friends.

He had a very noticeable stutter and
really bad acne as well.

He ended up with a pockmarked face.

Generally, he was made fun of by girls.

I didn't start to hate all women.

He was a bit of a loner. His demeanor
was non -threatening. I never thought

step on an ant. I'd say he was sort of
boring, actually.

He didn't have very much to say.

All through high school, if I knew that
I would have to say anything in class, I

would literally break out in sweats. And
getting so excited about it, it just

made it worse.

He was quiet -ish.

Because to talk is to expose himself to
ridicule.

I hated the word school.

I just hated that place with a divine
passion. I would do anything and

everything I could think of to get back
at that monster school that...

I convinced myself not to do Bob
Hanson's personal wrong.

Bob held the grudge against his high
school because he had endured a lot of

abuse. He had this resentment toward
women, toward figures of authority,

at the school, the cops.

He's in his early 20s. He's hanging
around with these group of kids, and he

decides they're going to burn down the
bus bar. And it's really an act of

revenge against the school.

They took some gasoline up into the bus
barn, and

Hansen spread the gasoline around, lit a
match.

Bob Hansen was also on the fire
department.

I mean, after he set the bus barn on
fire, he went to the fire station. I

remember seeing Bob Hansen there that
night.

He was fighting the fire. He denies
knowing anything about it. And for about

nine months, they don't know who did it.

What broke the case ultimately was the
young kid that Hansen had recruited just

couldn't live with what he'd helped do.

But he essentially informed on Hansen.

His father and mother left town because
they were so embarrassed.

Burning down the bus fire was a big
deal. You just didn't have that sort of

thing in Pocahontas. His dad is so
ashamed of what his kid did that he sold

bakery, bought a resort up in Minnesota.

And when Bob got out of prison, he went
up there.

He meets some woman named Darla
Henriksen.

They fall in love and they get married.

And at one point Bob says, Why don't we
go to Alaska?

Alaska was the place where a lot of
people went and hid out.

It's where a lot of people go when they
want to start over again and get a

second chance, where no one knows you.
Many people in Alaska know somebody who

has a story that they'd rather not tell.

In 1967, they ended up in Anchorage.

I think a fresh start was what he
wanted, away from the humiliations of

childhood.

Bob got a job as a cake decorator almost
immediately.

Darla got a job as a teacher almost
immediately. So they were already on

way to fitting into this frontier
society.

I first got to know Bob because I bought
the house right next door to him.

And we both had an interest in bow
hunting, and so we would practice.

And we hunted together. We hunted with
bows and arrows. We hunted with rifles.

He was really good at hunting.

So I think that for a guy who lacked
self -esteem in a lot of areas, he found

something that he was not only good at
but better than a lot of other people.

He's a world -class bow hunter.

He broke a record for getting the
biggest bell sheep at that time.

I was impressed.

He was a pretty good bow and arrow guy.

He preferred to bow and arrow because,
you know, you've got to get close.

You've got to get within about 25 yards
of your animal.

That's the exciting part, is being able
to do that. And trust me, your

adrenaline really starts to rush when
you start getting close.

He was really adept at stalking,
finding, getting, killing the animals

chased. And this skill really sort of
transferred to the hunting and stalking

young women of Anchorage.

you going to be flying Cindy Paulson in
the airplane?

Did you have a place in mind?

Probably going to go up on Connect
River, yes.

What was your plan?

To spend that day there out there with
her.

And what?

Come back.

I have taken other girls out there
before and simply come back.

What made you decide not to bring some
of them back?

What happened?

Once out there, as long as...

They were to go along with what I wanted
out there, okay?

Go home, and that was it.

And that's it?

They stayed.

Cindy Paulson, 17 years old.

She dresses up, lipstick, and, you know,
makes herself look older.

But she's a kid.

She starts to be able to tell the cops
what happened.

You know, that she'd been kidnapped,
that she'd been raped, that this guy was

going to try and fly her somewhere up to
a cabin in the Knick.

So the police are doing the tour around
the house, and Bob Hanson shows up.

And they say, Mr.

Hanson, we have this incident. This
woman says you kidnapped her and raped

Would you mind showing us your house?
Oh, no, no problem at all.

So he brings them in, and they look
around.

Cindy, being a good victim, had detailed
a description of Hanson's den. They saw

all those hunting trophies.

She describes his basement to a T.

Stuffed heads are everywhere.

She describes the critters on the wall.

She describes the post where he
handcuffed her to that after he finished

assaulting her so he could get a few
hours of sleep.

The house matches, the inside of the
house matches.

She described the car, car matches.

A lot of things were falling into place,
certainly verifying her story.

They see an ace bandage in Hansen's car.

They notice some gloves.

They notice a little hole in one of the
posts that they thought could have been

used to put an eye bolt in. It's where
she was chained.

But turns out he's got an alibi. In
fact, he's got two alibis.

I was with this insurance executive
almost all night.

And then this other buddy of mine, we
went out and had some beers and pizza.

I don't even know who this woman was.

It couldn't have been me.

The friends went along with it.

Hansen's story to his friends to get
them to support his alibi, he told them

that he was lonely, so he had
propositioned this gal, and all of a

tried to change the price.

He portrayed this as, I don't want Darla
to realize that I've strayed, and I

don't know what made me do this.

But this is an aberration. This is not
me. I'm a family man. I'm a church man.

I'm a small business owner.

So what I'm asking you to do is cover up
this little indiscretion.

The two folks gave some pretty strong
alibis. And it's versus the word of a

prostitute. You're going to take my word
or her word.

Robert was not emotional.

He was not overly hyper when he
described what went on. Very low -key,

meek. He looked you right in the eye
when he talked to you.

When the Anchorage police first try to
find Hansen's criminal records, they

don't find anything.

Alaska decided they're going to convert
all their records to digital format.

They're going to computerize them.

So Hansen's crimes in Alaska are not
available.

because they're over at the center being
converted.

Remember, this is the 80s. During that
period of time, you don't have the

Internet. You don't have jurisdictions
exchanging information.

Even the court system was very
antiquated.

The investigator asked Cindy to take a
lie detector test, and she didn't show

for it. And when he tried to find her,
the motel said she and her pimp had

checked out.

Cindy Paulson and her pimp had relocated
to Portland, Oregon.

He called Portland Police Department and
was told by a detective there that

Cindy Paulson had other aliases and
she'd been arrested several times for

soliciting for prostitution.

They started to think of Cindy as this
crazy woman.

It was a woman of the streets versus a
respectable guy. So ultimately, when the

investigator couldn't find her, he
closed the case, labeling it exceptional

clearance, which means there was no
evidence or that the complainant has

charges or, in Cindy's case,
disappeared.

Our assumption was the matter was over
and done with.

Do you ever have in mind trying to teach
these young girls a lesson?

I would say next time be a little bit
more careful who you want to have sex

for money, you know.

You're doing an act of prostitution
here.

Most of them I've never seen again.

Prostitutes on the streets just left,
period.

Maybe I was trying to rid the town of
chasing them all the way or whatever. I

don't know, but they sure left.

Cindy Paulson told police that she
narrowly survived a terrifying night

Robert Hanson. There are only a couple
of people who find her story quite

convincing. One of them is Greg Baker,
who was the original investigator.

Greg was believing Cindy, and for some
reason the detectives didn't give it any

credibility. They didn't believe the
whole story of the abduction.

And Officer Greg Baker was very
frustrated.

He said, they're not doing a thing about
this.

I said, I'll tell you what you do, Greg.
You go to the state troopers, tell them

I sent you, take whatever you got out
there, and he did.

So ultimately, he decided to put it all
together, gather the files, and he

walked it over to the Alaska state
troopers because he knew that they were

investigating some missing dancers.

By the time the Cindy Paulson case came
to light, There was at least nine

dancers on that list.

And investigators believe that the body
of a woman found in 1980 by the

occlusion of Powerline might also be
connected.

She became known as Alupna Annie.

They weren't able to identify her.

She's in very close proximity to the
Kinnick River.

Hers was the first body found, but
really very little is known about her.

If you pick on people who come to
Anchorage, say, for a few weeks under

false name, nobody knows who they are,
where they're from, nobody knows where

their family is. They hang around for a
while and then leave.

If you pick on that kind of a person,
it's likely no one will even miss them.

Several weeks after Greg Baker gave
Cindy's file to the state troopers, the

of 31 -year -old Paula Goulding was
found near the Kinnick River.

Paula Goulding, she was the woman taken
to the meat shack.

When hunters found her body, her pants
were unzipped. Her sweater had been

ripped, as had her bra.

It's a fairly shallow grave. Vents had a
decay.

In fact, the hunters who find it smell
it first.

It was skeletal, but they were able to
retrieve a jawbone. They were able to

find dental records. She had been
reported missing.

In Paula Goulding's grave, there was a
single shell casing from a .223 rifle.

So now they had two on the connect.

Sherry Morrow and Paula Goulding.

Probably within a half mile of each
other. Both graves with a .223 shell

that length of two cases immediately.

They're starting to think about the
remoteness of the location.

That's a signature now.

And they're starting to think now that
they have a serial killer on their hand.

They started to figure out somebody was
killing prostitutes.

And now they have Cindy Paulson saying,
this guy was going to fly me to his

cabin in a plane, and he was going to
kill me. And so the stars are starting

align. Glenn Flothy took the case. He'd
broken a bunch of cases. He was up in

Fairbanks, and he'd broken case after
case after case.

He has to have Cindy.

When Glenn Flothy starts looking for
her, he learns that she's actually back

Anchorage working in a massage parlor.
They go find her, and he interviews

Paulton. He spends about 45 minutes
talking to her. He told him everything

she remembered, all the details.

What was he driving? Remember how he was
dressed on Sunday?

In jeans. He had a tan or an army green
tank coat.

Workin' loose.

I want to show you six pictures, Cindy,
and the person that we're talking about

may or may not be in here.

Be sure to look at all six pictures.

Which photograph?

Number five.

You're positive.

I'm positive.

She identified Robert Hansen.

But there's obstacles.

Hansen's got such strong alibis. Unless
you can break those alibi witnesses or

find additional evidence, you're in a
tough spot.

Glenn Flothy couldn't find any criminal
records on Robert Hansen. But there were

investigators who could remember pieces
of Hansen's past.

They come forward and say, Hansen? Let
me tell you about Hansen. Glenn Flothy

pretty sure he has a potential suspect.

He has to...

problems in the investigation because he
doesn't have all the records.

It wasn't all in one place.

He eventually gets those records.

When they started looking back, they
realized that he had quite a track

Nobody knows he's not supposed to have a
pilot license.

Nobody knows he's not supposed to have
guns because he's a felon.

Suddenly you start having these.

Pieces come together.

It's kind of like a light clicked and
they went, oh my gosh. And it turned out

to be the tip of the iceberg.

Kind of a shock. He basically looked
like Joe Citizen.

He was really good at hiding his evil
side.

He had learned that if you have
witnesses, you have problems.

This wasn't our finest hour as a police
department.

All we're talking about to do is kill.

It is violent.

grow more gruesome and more full with
rage as he went on?

Absolutely.

You can't even fathom the terror that
somebody would kidnap them and put them

out in the woods and then go hunt them
down.

Did he thrive somehow on knowing how
scared they were? He was going to get

prey. He wasn't coming home without a
trophy.

They are horrible criminals.

He was the devil.

It's haunting to know you knew somebody
that could do something like that.

Robert Hansen, the neighborhood baker,
served up Danish and donuts, all while

committing monstrous crimes against the
city's most vulnerable women.

But one woman's escape had investigators
looking twice at the meek man behind

the counter.

Could the baker be the serial killer
leaving bodies in the wilderness?

And could there be others? In part two
of The Butcher Baker.

I'm Donnie Wahlberg.

Thanks for watching. Good night.

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