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do you know anyone who's currently at

do you know anyone who's currently at

do you know anyone who's currently at the UN who is involved with child sex

the UN who is involved with child sex

the UN who is involved with child sex abuse yes I think most people that work

abuse yes I think most people that work

abuse yes I think most people that work at the UN do within the UN child sex

at the UN do within the UN child sex

at the UN do within the UN child sex abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing business French peacekeepers were

business French peacekeepers were

business French peacekeepers were abusing children in the Central African

abusing children in the Central African

abusing children in the Central African Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years old were being forced to give jobs in

old were being forced to give jobs in

old were being forced to give jobs in exchange for food that is Despicable

exchange for food that is Despicable

exchange for food that is Despicable that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is supposed to be doing everyone that's

supposed to be doing everyone that's

supposed to be doing everyone that's been involved in these coverups whether

been involved in these coverups whether

been involved in these coverups whether of child sex abuse without exception has

of child sex abuse without exception has

of child sex abuse without exception has been promoted everyone that has reported

been promoted everyone that has reported

been promoted everyone that has reported it that has tried to stop it has been

it that has tried to stop it has been

it that has tried to stop it has been fired or has resigned so basically I

fired or has resigned so basically I

fired or has resigned so basically I told my boss well if you hand this name

told my boss well if you hand this name

told my boss well if you hand this name to China her children will be tortured

to China her children will be tortured

to China her children will be tortured he handed the name to China several

he handed the name to China several

he handed the name to China several months later amesty International issued

months later amesty International issued

months later amesty International issued an urgent action regarding the torture

an urgent action regarding the torture

an urgent action regarding the torture of her children the UN has spent more

of her children the UN has spent more

of her children the UN has spent more than $3 million us on silencing me

than $3 million us on silencing me

than $3 million us on silencing me people leading the investigation

people leading the investigation

people leading the investigation appointed by The Who had very close

appointed by The Who had very close

appointed by The Who had very close relationships with the laboratory in

relationships with the laboratory in

relationships with the laboratory in Wuhan and effectively were too willing

Wuhan and effectively were too willing

Wuhan and effectively were too willing to accept constraints from the Chinese

to accept constraints from the Chinese

to accept constraints from the Chinese authorities on what they shouldn't

authorities on what they shouldn't

authorities on what they shouldn't shouldn't look at the un's position on

shouldn't look at the un's position on

shouldn't look at the un's position on whistleblowing whether it's this child

whistleblowing whether it's this child

whistleblowing whether it's this child sex abuse or anything is destroy the

sex abuse or anything is destroy the

sex abuse or anything is destroy the Whistleblower

my name is Emma

my name is Emma

my name is Emma Riley I worked for the United Nations

Riley I worked for the United Nations

Riley I worked for the United Nations for 10

for 10

for 10 years my job was to try to stop human

years my job was to try to stop human

years my job was to try to stop human rights abuses from happening around the

rights abuses from happening around the

rights abuses from happening around the world I'd have myself locked up in

world I'd have myself locked up in

world I'd have myself locked up in prison cells with violent criminals in

prison cells with violent criminals in

prison cells with violent criminals in some of the worst places on Earth in

some of the worst places on Earth in

some of the worst places on Earth in order to find out the truth about what

order to find out the truth about what

order to find out the truth about what was really going on behind closed

was really going on behind closed

was really going on behind closed doors but when I Unearthed the fact that

doors but when I Unearthed the fact that

doors but when I Unearthed the fact that the United Nations itself had evolved

the United Nations itself had evolved

the United Nations itself had evolved into one of the most corrupt

into one of the most corrupt

into one of the most corrupt organizations of the planet and when I

organizations of the planet and when I

organizations of the planet and when I expose their complicity in the biggest

expose their complicity in the biggest

expose their complicity in the biggest genocide since the

genocide since the

genocide since the Holocaust instead of doing anything

Holocaust instead of doing anything

Holocaust instead of doing anything about it they've come after me with

about it they've come after me with

about it they've come after me with everything they've

everything they've

everything they've got I've even found government spy where

got I've even found government spy where

got I've even found government spy where on my phone my emails are being

on my phone my emails are being

on my phone my emails are being hacked and I've lost count of how many

hacked and I've lost count of how many

hacked and I've lost count of how many journalists they bought out who were

journalists they bought out who were

journalists they bought out who were about to tell my

about to tell my

about to tell my story there's a reason people haven't

story there's a reason people haven't

story there's a reason people haven't heard about this the information I have

heard about this the information I have

heard about this the information I have could spell the end of an era for the

could spell the end of an era for the

could spell the end of an era for the United Nations and they know it

shinjang now has the largest network of

shinjang now has the largest network of

shinjang now has the largest network of concentration camps since the Nazis we

concentration camps since the Nazis we

concentration camps since the Nazis we haven't seen this kind of organized

haven't seen this kind of organized

haven't seen this kind of organized statun genocide on this scale and the UN

statun genocide on this scale and the UN

statun genocide on this scale and the UN is on the side of the oppressor I was

is on the side of the oppressor I was

is on the side of the oppressor I was trying to stop un complicity in that

trying to stop un complicity in that

trying to stop un complicity in that criminal complicity in an ongoing

criminal complicity in an ongoing

criminal complicity in an ongoing genocide and instead of taking any

genocide and instead of taking any

genocide and instead of taking any action about my actual reports the UN

action about my actual reports the UN

action about my actual reports the UN saw me as the problem for raising the

saw me as the problem for raising the

saw me as the problem for raising the issue and they have gone to extreme

issue and they have gone to extreme

issue and they have gone to extreme lengths to try to shut me up the UN has

lengths to try to shut me up the UN has

lengths to try to shut me up the UN has spent more than $3 million us on

spent more than $3 million us on

spent more than $3 million us on silencing me they approached my lawyer

silencing me they approached my lawyer

silencing me they approached my lawyer and offered me a huge son of money to go

and offered me a huge son of money to go

and offered me a huge son of money to go away if I would sign a non-disclosure

away if I would sign a non-disclosure

away if I would sign a non-disclosure agreement um they sent armed police to

agreement um they sent armed police to

agreement um they sent armed police to my home when I was going to speak at a

my home when I was going to speak at a

my home when I was going to speak at a un meeting about this they have defamed

un meeting about this they have defamed

un meeting about this they have defamed me they've tried to generate false

me they've tried to generate false

me they've tried to generate false complaints about me basically the un's

complaints about me basically the un's

complaints about me basically the un's approach to any interal problem is go

approach to any interal problem is go

approach to any interal problem is go after the Whistleblower as hard as they

after the Whistleblower as hard as they

after the Whistleblower as hard as they can make sure nobody ever listens to

can make sure nobody ever listens to

can make sure nobody ever listens to that person what's unique in my case is

that person what's unique in my case is

that person what's unique in my case is that the UN actually fired me for the

that the UN actually fired me for the

that the UN actually fired me for the act of

act of

act of whistleblowing in previous whistleblower

whistleblowing in previous whistleblower

whistleblowing in previous whistleblower cases they've always accused them of

cases they've always accused them of

cases they've always accused them of something else um so you know either

something else um so you know either

something else um so you know either they've been violent they had

they've been violent they had

they've been violent they had performance issues some other thing I'm

performance issues some other thing I'm

performance issues some other thing I'm the only person that ever fired

the only person that ever fired

the only person that ever fired specifically because I told the truth to

specifically because I told the truth to

specifically because I told the truth to member states and to the Press I was

member states and to the Press I was

member states and to the Press I was literally charged with trying to change

literally charged with trying to change

literally charged with trying to change a policy of the Secretary

a policy of the Secretary

a policy of the Secretary General guilty is charged the secretary

General guilty is charged the secretary

General guilty is charged the secretary General's policy is to hand names to

General's policy is to hand names to

General's policy is to hand names to China and I am trying to change that

China and I am trying to change that

China and I am trying to change that policy I was charged with making public

policy I was charged with making public

policy I was charged with making public things known to me as a result of my

things known to me as a result of my

things known to me as a result of my functions again guilty is charged what's

functions again guilty is charged what's

functions again guilty is charged what's interesting is the UN actually claims in

interesting is the UN actually claims in

interesting is the UN actually claims in court that this is a public policy that

court that this is a public policy that

court that this is a public policy that everyone knows about so how exactly have

everyone knows about so how exactly have

everyone knows about so how exactly have I been fired for making it public

I been fired for making it public

I been fired for making it public my direct boss the chief of the Human

my direct boss the chief of the Human

my direct boss the chief of the Human Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric

Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric

Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric tiun uh had been passing names of

tiun uh had been passing names of

tiun uh had been passing names of dissidents who were planning to engage

dissidents who were planning to engage

dissidents who were planning to engage with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the

with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the

with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the Chinese government and my immediate

Chinese government and my immediate

Chinese government and my immediate reaction was of course we should never

reaction was of course we should never

reaction was of course we should never hand over this information um it is

hand over this information um it is

hand over this information um it is fairly WID widely known that China uses

fairly WID widely known that China uses

fairly WID widely known that China uses intimidation and arbitrary arrest

intimidation and arbitrary arrest

intimidation and arbitrary arrest detention torture even killing family

detention torture even killing family

detention torture even killing family members to stop people speaking out and

members to stop people speaking out and

members to stop people speaking out and we'd always refus that information for

we'd always refus that information for

we'd always refus that information for every other member State I said okay

every other member State I said okay

every other member State I said okay I'll send them the standard response

I'll send them the standard response

I'll send them the standard response saying we don't give that information

saying we don't give that information

saying we don't give that information and the reaction of my colleague who had

and the reaction of my colleague who had

and the reaction of my colleague who had been working with NOS in the UN for

been working with NOS in the UN for

been working with NOS in the UN for years was that I should discuss with my

years was that I should discuss with my

years was that I should discuss with my boss so that was

boss so that was

boss so that was already quite terrifying and then when I

already quite terrifying and then when I

already quite terrifying and then when I had that discussion with my boss it was

had that discussion with my boss it was

had that discussion with my boss it was really clear that his view was that we

really clear that his view was that we

really clear that his view was that we should just give over the nams because

should just give over the nams because

should just give over the nams because it would mean an easier life now we

it would mean an easier life now we

it would mean an easier life now we aren't talking about some theoretical

aren't talking about some theoretical

aren't talking about some theoretical danger that I was Raising that you know

danger that I was Raising that you know

danger that I was Raising that you know oh China might use this information in a

oh China might use this information in a

oh China might use this information in a bad way we're talking about a specific

bad way we're talking about a specific

bad way we're talking about a specific instance of one of the names on the list

instance of one of the names on the list

instance of one of the names on the list that we already know what China does

that we already know what China does

that we already know what China does when they know that she's going to speak

when they know that she's going to speak

when they know that she's going to speak out so reia Kadir for example she's a

out so reia Kadir for example she's a

out so reia Kadir for example she's a really well-known weager activist it was

really well-known weager activist it was

really well-known weager activist it was already public knowledge at that point

already public knowledge at that point

already public knowledge at that point that several years

that several years

that several years previously her adult children had been

previously her adult children had been

previously her adult children had been tortured in front of each

tortured in front of each

tortured in front of each other the phone was then handed to her

other the phone was then handed to her

other the phone was then handed to her daughter was who was being for forced to

daughter was who was being for forced to

daughter was who was being for forced to also witness this

also witness this

also witness this torture and she was forced to call her

torture and she was forced to call her

torture and she was forced to call her mother in the US to listen to her own

mother in the US to listen to her own

mother in the US to listen to her own children being tortured live and being

children being tortured live and being

children being tortured live and being told not to go to the meeting she was

told not to go to the meeting she was

told not to go to the meeting she was planning to go to so basically I told my

planning to go to so basically I told my

planning to go to so basically I told my boss well if you hand this name to China

boss well if you hand this name to China

boss well if you hand this name to China her children will be

her children will be

her children will be tortured he handed the name to China

tortured he handed the name to China

tortured he handed the name to China several months later Amnesty

several months later Amnesty

several months later Amnesty International issued an urgent action

International issued an urgent action

International issued an urgent action regarding the torture of her children

regarding the torture of her children

regarding the torture of her children now the UN claims it can see no link

now the UN claims it can see no link

now the UN claims it can see no link there I gave them the example of gaang

there I gave them the example of gaang

there I gave them the example of gaang being tortured to stop his family

being tortured to stop his family

being tortured to stop his family members speaking out I gave the example

members speaking out I gave the example

members speaking out I gave the example of Delena whose entire family has been

of Delena whose entire family has been

of Delena whose entire family has been detained in concentration camps both his

detained in concentration camps both his

detained in concentration camps both his parents died in concentration

parents died in concentration

parents died in concentration camps and still the UN says this policy

camps and still the UN says this policy

camps and still the UN says this policy is fine there's no problem how long has

is fine there's no problem how long has

is fine there's no problem how long has this been going on for this has been

this been going on for this has been

this been going on for this has been going on for years at least since 2006

going on for years at least since 2006

going on for years at least since 2006 every single meeting of the Human Rights

every single meeting of the Human Rights

every single meeting of the Human Rights Council China has been handed names of

Council China has been handed names of

Council China has been handed names of exactly who was planning to speak out

exactly who was planning to speak out

exactly who was planning to speak out and it was in September 2013 that I

and it was in September 2013 that I

and it was in September 2013 that I think I got the proof essentially again

think I got the proof essentially again

think I got the proof essentially again that what I was saying I wasn't some

that what I was saying I wasn't some

that what I was saying I wasn't some kind of mad woman that this is really

kind of mad woman that this is really

kind of mad woman that this is really dangerous um every four years the Human

dangerous um every four years the Human

dangerous um every four years the Human Rights Council considers the human

Rights Council considers the human

Rights Council considers the human rights record of specific country and

rights record of specific country and

rights record of specific country and China was up and a group of people were

China was up and a group of people were

China was up and a group of people were traveling from China to attend the Human

traveling from China to attend the Human

traveling from China to attend the Human Rights

Rights

Rights Council um and they were arrested at the

Council um and they were arrested at the

Council um and they were arrested at the airport and they were placed in arbitary

airport and they were placed in arbitary

airport and they were placed in arbitary detention they weren't allowed to travel

detention they weren't allowed to travel

detention they weren't allowed to travel to

to

to Geneva um one of them kin

Geneva um one of them kin

Geneva um one of them kin Lee died 6 months later um in detention

Lee died 6 months later um in detention

Lee died 6 months later um in detention uh having been denied Medical

uh having been denied Medical

uh having been denied Medical Care and

Care and

Care and I do not know whether or not her name

I do not know whether or not her name

I do not know whether or not her name was handed to China by the UN the UN

was handed to China by the UN the UN

was handed to China by the UN the UN doesn't know that either they've never

doesn't know that either they've never

doesn't know that either they've never conducted an investigation but it does

conducted an investigation but it does

conducted an investigation but it does show the danger of which I was warning

show the danger of which I was warning

show the danger of which I was warning that that danger is very real china will

that that danger is very real china will

that that danger is very real china will go to extreme lengths to stop its human

go to extreme lengths to stop its human

go to extreme lengths to stop its human rights record being criticized it will

rights record being criticized it will

rights record being criticized it will particularly go do extreme lengths to

particularly go do extreme lengths to

particularly go do extreme lengths to stop its human rights record being

stop its human rights record being

stop its human rights record being criticized in a room with Chinese

criticized in a room with Chinese

criticized in a room with Chinese diplomats in it those facts are well

diplomats in it those facts are well

diplomats in it those facts are well known

known

known there should have at that

there should have at that

there should have at that point been an inquiry at that point the

point been an inquiry at that point the

point been an inquiry at that point the UN should have admitted yeah maybe

UN should have admitted yeah maybe

UN should have admitted yeah maybe telling them in advance who's coming is

telling them in advance who's coming is

telling them in advance who's coming is a bad idea and I said whether or not her

a bad idea and I said whether or not her

a bad idea and I said whether or not her name was on that

name was on that

name was on that list and what has happened subsequently

list and what has happened subsequently

list and what has happened subsequently is that the UN has tried to make this

is that the UN has tried to make this

is that the UN has tried to make this entire argument about whether her

entire argument about whether her

entire argument about whether her specific name was on the list so they've

specific name was on the list so they've

specific name was on the list so they've ignored the fact that I can prove that

ignored the fact that I can prove that

ignored the fact that I can prove that reia kader's name was handed over and

reia kader's name was handed over and

reia kader's name was handed over and her children were tortured that I can

her children were tortured that I can

her children were tortured that I can prove that H gang's name was handed over

prove that H gang's name was handed over

prove that H gang's name was handed over and her husband was tortur I can prove

and her husband was tortur I can prove

and her husband was tortur I can prove Doan's name was handed over and his

Doan's name was handed over and his

Doan's name was handed over and his family members were forced to denounce

family members were forced to denounce

family members were forced to denounce his actions and sort of Force TV

his actions and sort of Force TV

his actions and sort of Force TV confessions I can show people whose

confessions I can show people whose

confessions I can show people whose families were arbitrarily detained I can

families were arbitrarily detained I can

families were arbitrarily detained I can show that people were placed in

show that people were placed in

show that people were placed in concentration camps as a result of the

concentration camps as a result of the

concentration camps as a result of the names being handed over but the UN only

names being handed over but the UN only

names being handed over but the UN only discusses that one

discusses that one

discusses that one issue and what's been disappointing is

issue and what's been disappointing is

issue and what's been disappointing is kind of seeing how what I would term the

kind of seeing how what I would term the

kind of seeing how what I would term the human right industrial complex works

human right industrial complex works

human right industrial complex works that while individuals when I speak to

that while individuals when I speak to

that while individuals when I speak to them about this are

them about this are

them about this are concerned no major NGO has actually come

concerned no major NGO has actually come

concerned no major NGO has actually come out and announced this even the NOS that

out and announced this even the NOS that

out and announced this even the NOS that you would sort of expect to be a little

you would sort of expect to be a little

you would sort of expect to be a little concerned so for example the NGO to

concerned so for example the NGO to

concerned so for example the NGO to whose to whose training cou they was

whose to whose training cou they was

whose to whose training cou they was planning to travel um is an organization

planning to travel um is an organization

planning to travel um is an organization called the international service for

called the international service for

called the international service for human rights and when I was placed under

human rights and when I was placed under

human rights and when I was placed under investigation by the men and charged

investigation by the men and charged

investigation by the men and charged with wrongdoing for having told the

with wrongdoing for having told the

with wrongdoing for having told the truth in public the UN had to give me

truth in public the UN had to give me

truth in public the UN had to give me all of the evidence of what I was

all of the evidence of what I was

all of the evidence of what I was accused of and that evidence was

accused of and that evidence was

accused of and that evidence was basically that when I brought this up

basically that when I brought this up

basically that when I brought this up sometimes they had to have meetings or

sometimes they had to have meetings or

sometimes they had to have meetings or write letters and you they lied in those

write letters and you they lied in those

write letters and you they lied in those meetings and letters but I called the

meetings and letters but I called the

meetings and letters but I called the head of that organization and just sort

head of that organization and just sort

head of that organization and just sort of say hang on you've been telling the

of say hang on you've been telling the

of say hang on you've been telling the press that her name wasn't on any list

press that her name wasn't on any list

press that her name wasn't on any list how do you know that

how do you know that

how do you know that and I was basically treated to a

and I was basically treated to a

and I was basically treated to a 15minute verbal T about how I was

15minute verbal T about how I was

15minute verbal T about how I was somehow defaming cow Le's memory by

somehow defaming cow Le's memory by

somehow defaming cow Le's memory by daring to suggest her name might have

daring to suggest her name might have

daring to suggest her name might have been handed

been handed

been handed over I don't know if her name was on a

over I don't know if her name was on a

over I don't know if her name was on a list or not I'm saying that somebody

list or not I'm saying that somebody

list or not I'm saying that somebody should investigate whether or not it

should investigate whether or not it

should investigate whether or not it was and somebody should investigate

was and somebody should investigate

was and somebody should investigate whose names were handed over and what

whose names were handed over and what

whose names were handed over and what exactly happened to their families and

exactly happened to their families and

exactly happened to their families and you see it externally as well no NGO

you see it externally as well no NGO

you see it externally as well no NGO wants to know

wants to know

wants to know either this doesn't fit the

either this doesn't fit the

either this doesn't fit the narrative and I've given the evidence to

narrative and I've given the evidence to

narrative and I've given the evidence to all of the major human rights NOS but

all of the major human rights NOS but

all of the major human rights NOS but there is something a revolving

there is something a revolving

there is something a revolving door with the office of the High

door with the office of the High

door with the office of the High Commissioner for human rights which pays

Commissioner for human rights which pays

Commissioner for human rights which pays about three times as much as the average

about three times as much as the average

about three times as much as the average NGO salary so people do tend to want to

NGO salary so people do tend to want to

NGO salary so people do tend to want to get a job there so criticizing the UN is

get a job there so criticizing the UN is

get a job there so criticizing the UN is not going to be helpful for their

not going to be helpful for their

not going to be helpful for their personal Career Development so they

personal Career Development so they

personal Career Development so they don't do it

don't do it

don't do it could that be why this hasn't gone

could that be why this hasn't gone

could that be why this hasn't gone mainstream news like what why isn't this

mainstream news like what why isn't this

mainstream news like what why isn't this Front Page

Front Page

Front Page News um there's a general unwillingness

News um there's a general unwillingness

News um there's a general unwillingness to criticize the UN sometimes it's been

to criticize the UN sometimes it's been

to criticize the UN sometimes it's been because the UN has offered a bigger

because the UN has offered a bigger

because the UN has offered a bigger scoop so sometimes when I have been in

scoop so sometimes when I have been in

scoop so sometimes when I have been in contact with a journalist that

contact with a journalist that

contact with a journalist that journalist has suddenly gone silent and

journalist has suddenly gone silent and

journalist has suddenly gone silent and a couple of weeks later has a major un

a couple of weeks later has a major un

a couple of weeks later has a major un scoup um it has actually been covered in

scoup um it has actually been covered in

scoup um it has actually been covered in some relatively mainstream press but the

some relatively mainstream press but the

some relatively mainstream press but the thing is it gets covered once and then

thing is it gets covered once and then

thing is it gets covered once and then forgotten about it's seen as some kind

forgotten about it's seen as some kind

forgotten about it's seen as some kind of Side Story rather than something

of Side Story rather than something

of Side Story rather than something fundamental I think the same way as

fundamental I think the same way as

fundamental I think the same way as people don't really understand what the

people don't really understand what the

people don't really understand what the European Union is and how it operates

European Union is and how it operates

European Union is and how it operates the same's true of the UN it's several

the same's true of the UN it's several

the same's true of the UN it's several layers removed if this was the British

layers removed if this was the British

layers removed if this was the British government handing names to the Chinese

government handing names to the Chinese

government handing names to the Chinese government it would be Front Page News

government it would be Front Page News

government it would be Front Page News everywhere but because it's the United

everywhere but because it's the United

everywhere but because it's the United Nations nobody sort of

Nations nobody sort of

Nations nobody sort of sees where the responsibility lies it's

sees where the responsibility lies it's

sees where the responsibility lies it's this kind of faceless

this kind of faceless

this kind of faceless bureaucracy that's doing something bad

bureaucracy that's doing something bad

bureaucracy that's doing something bad but people feel powerless to stop it

but people feel powerless to stop it

but people feel powerless to stop it when I first told my colleagues what was

when I first told my colleagues what was

when I first told my colleagues what was happening when I first went to people in

happening when I first went to people in

happening when I first went to people in other departments and told them hey

other departments and told them hey

other departments and told them hey they're handing names to China over here

they're handing names to China over here

they're handing names to China over here like this must stop by the end of it

like this must stop by the end of it

like this must stop by the end of it when I was bringing it up with a

when I was bringing it up with a

when I was bringing it up with a colleague

colleague

colleague who's function within the UN was to

who's function within the UN was to

who's function within the UN was to integrate human rights into peacekeeping

integrate human rights into peacekeeping

integrate human rights into peacekeeping operations

operations

operations she basically looked at me like I was

she basically looked at me like I was

she basically looked at me like I was the most naive person on Earth and said

the most naive person on Earth and said

the most naive person on Earth and said well it's a job like any other I mean

well it's a job like any other I mean

well it's a job like any other I mean China is the pay Master what did you

China is the pay Master what did you

China is the pay Master what did you expect as I said her job is to integrate

expect as I said her job is to integrate

expect as I said her job is to integrate human rights into peacekeeping that is

human rights into peacekeeping that is

human rights into peacekeeping that is her literal job description and that is

her literal job description and that is

her literal job description and that is her

her

her view what did she mean by China or the

view what did she mean by China or the

view what did she mean by China or the pay

pay

pay masters China is now the second largest

masters China is now the second largest

masters China is now the second largest contributor to the UN budget um and

contributor to the UN budget um and

contributor to the UN budget um and there's a kind

there's a kind

there's a kind of fiction that Democratic member states

of fiction that Democratic member states

of fiction that Democratic member states have

have

have whereby somehow the UN is independent

whereby somehow the UN is independent

whereby somehow the UN is independent and we shouldn't interfere in what it

and we shouldn't interfere in what it

and we shouldn't interfere in what it does with the

does with the

does with the money so the money that comes from the

money so the money that comes from the

money so the money that comes from the US from the European Union all comes

US from the European Union all comes

US from the European Union all comes basically no strings attached that is

basically no strings attached that is

basically no strings attached that is not the case for the money that comes

not the case for the money that comes

not the case for the money that comes from China and other totalitarian

from China and other totalitarian

from China and other totalitarian regimes they put a lot of pressure on

regimes they put a lot of pressure on

regimes they put a lot of pressure on individual staff members to do their

individual staff members to do their

individual staff members to do their bidding and a lot of those indiv ual

bidding and a lot of those indiv ual

bidding and a lot of those indiv ual staff members will do that and it was

staff members will do that and it was

staff members will do that and it was telling that the justification given by

telling that the justification given by

telling that the justification given by my boss for handing me into China was

my boss for handing me into China was

my boss for handing me into China was otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese

otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese

otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese mistrust against us when he discussed it

mistrust against us when he discussed it

mistrust against us when he discussed it with leemont

with leemont

with leemont newspaper he talked about a sort of

newspaper he talked about a sort of

newspaper he talked about a sort of proon

proon

proon analysis but for him the only pros and

analysis but for him the only pros and

analysis but for him the only pros and cons he could see were the ones that

cons he could see were the ones that

cons he could see were the ones that directly affected him and the smooth

directly affected him and the smooth

directly affected him and the smooth running of his meeting so he talked

running of his meeting so he talked

running of his meeting so he talked about the pro of handing them secretly

about the pro of handing them secretly

about the pro of handing them secretly to China being that China wouldn't ask

to China being that China wouldn't ask

to China being that China wouldn't ask in public and the con being that well

in public and the con being that well

in public and the con being that well you know China might ask in public for

you know China might ask in public for

you know China might ask in public for who was

who was

who was coming that would be China obeying the

coming that would be China obeying the

coming that would be China obeying the rule the rule if you want to know who is

rule the rule if you want to know who is

rule the rule if you want to know who is coming to a un meeting and your a member

coming to a un meeting and your a member

coming to a un meeting and your a member State and you want to know if a

State and you want to know if a

State and you want to know if a particular individual is coming from an

particular individual is coming from an

particular individual is coming from an NGO is that you must ask in front of

NGO is that you must ask in front of

NGO is that you must ask in front of other member states so they can object

other member states so they can object

other member states so they can object and stop you getting the information the

and stop you getting the information the

and stop you getting the information the rule is not that the Secretariat should

rule is not that the Secretariat should

rule is not that the Secretariat should sit there quietly handing over names to

sit there quietly handing over names to

sit there quietly handing over names to China and I mean it would be the same

China and I mean it would be the same

China and I mean it would be the same for any member State like you know on

for any member State like you know on

for any member State like you know on the same rational should we give North

the same rational should we give North

the same rational should we give North Korea the names should we give ARA the

Korea the names should we give ARA the

Korea the names should we give ARA the names is there any state that the UN

names is there any state that the UN

names is there any state that the UN would think we shouldn't give names to

would think we shouldn't give names to

would think we shouldn't give names to who are the people that China wants the

who are the people that China wants the

who are the people that China wants the names of that the UN is giving to them

names of that the UN is giving to them

names of that the UN is giving to them what kind of people are

what kind of people are

what kind of people are they um the kind of people China's

they um the kind of people China's

they um the kind of people China's asking about are really varied uh simply

asking about are really varied uh simply

asking about are really varied uh simply being a member of an ethnic minority is

being a member of an ethnic minority is

being a member of an ethnic minority is enough

enough

enough so if you are weager Tibetan outside

so if you are weager Tibetan outside

so if you are weager Tibetan outside China they want to know um if you've

China they want to know um if you've

China they want to know um if you've spoken to any kind of event so

spoken to any kind of event so

spoken to any kind of event so everything you know and includes

everything you know and includes

everything you know and includes students interns as well as people that

students interns as well as people that

students interns as well as people that are quite high-profile and heading up

are quite high-profile and heading up

are quite high-profile and heading up NOS um relatives of high-profile detes

NOS um relatives of high-profile detes

NOS um relatives of high-profile detes in China so relatives of human rights

in China so relatives of human rights

in China so relatives of human rights lawyers who tend to have managed to get

lawyers who tend to have managed to get

lawyers who tend to have managed to get out of the country um it includes

out of the country um it includes

out of the country um it includes academics that work on China um it

academics that work on China um it

academics that work on China um it includes some academics that are still

includes some academics that are still

includes some academics that are still based in China most of the people on the

based in China most of the people on the

based in China most of the people on the list actually have nationality of other

list actually have nationality of other

list actually have nationality of other countries they are of Chinese origin but

countries they are of Chinese origin but

countries they are of Chinese origin but they're citizens of other

they're citizens of other

they're citizens of other countries um and this should be a consal

countries um and this should be a consal

countries um and this should be a consal issue for those countries but again even

issue for those countries but again even

issue for those countries but again even when I reported it to them there's this

when I reported it to them there's this

when I reported it to them there's this kind of collective not wanting to

kind of collective not wanting to

kind of collective not wanting to know is actually my next question is um

know is actually my next question is um

know is actually my next question is um you know are there citizens of other

you know are there citizens of other

you know are there citizens of other countries on that list and if so could

countries on that list and if so could

countries on that list and if so could you talk about that sure

you talk about that sure

you talk about that sure um I've contacted most of the countries

um I've contacted most of the countries

um I've contacted most of the countries that are democracies and kind of have

that are democracies and kind of have

that are democracies and kind of have strong human rights records that their

strong human rights records that their

strong human rights records that their citizens are on the list um that list

citizens are on the list um that list

citizens are on the list um that list includes the US the UK Germany Sweden

includes the US the UK Germany Sweden

includes the US the UK Germany Sweden Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and

Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and

Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and a few others

a few others

a few others um most of the ambassadors of those

um most of the ambassadors of those

um most of the ambassadors of those countries simply ignored my report I'm

countries simply ignored my report I'm

countries simply ignored my report I'm not aware of any action having been

not aware of any action having been

not aware of any action having been taken when I've subsequently had contact

taken when I've subsequently had contact

taken when I've subsequently had contact with some of the people where I have

with some of the people where I have

with some of the people where I have informed their government that their

informed their government that their

informed their government that their names were being handed to the Chinese

names were being handed to the Chinese

names were being handed to the Chinese government they hadn't even been

government they hadn't even been

government they hadn't even been told um it's very difficult often for me

told um it's very difficult often for me

told um it's very difficult often for me to have any kind of secure contact these

to have any kind of secure contact these

to have any kind of secure contact these people that you know I would literally

people that you know I would literally

people that you know I would literally be resorting to Googling them um and I

be resorting to Googling them um and I

be resorting to Googling them um and I know that China does monitor my

know that China does monitor my

know that China does monitor my communication so I don't want to place

communication so I don't want to place

communication so I don't want to place them in danger so I informed their

them in danger so I informed their

them in danger so I informed their governments but they basically didn't do

governments but they basically didn't do

governments but they basically didn't do anything about it what was the response

anything about it what was the response

anything about it what was the response from the UK when you spoke to them about

from the UK when you spoke to them about

from the UK when you spoke to them about some of their citizens uh the UK has

some of their citizens uh the UK has

some of their citizens uh the UK has refused to meet me um I've requested

refused to meet me um I've requested

refused to meet me um I've requested several uh meetings with the UK

several uh meetings with the UK

several uh meetings with the UK Ambassador in Geneva and others um the

Ambassador in Geneva and others um the

Ambassador in Geneva and others um the UK has refused to meet me but what is

UK has refused to meet me but what is

UK has refused to meet me but what is interesting is that in the evidence that

interesting is that in the evidence that

interesting is that in the evidence that was given to me by the UN it showed that

was given to me by the UN it showed that

was given to me by the UN it showed that the UK did raise the issue uh over a

the UK did raise the issue uh over a

the UK did raise the issue uh over a beer with with the spokesperson of the

beer with with the spokesperson of the

beer with with the spokesperson of the Human Rights Council so a junior staff

Human Rights Council so a junior staff

Human Rights Council so a junior staff member at the same level as me who was

member at the same level as me who was

member at the same level as me who was not actually involved in this process

not actually involved in this process

not actually involved in this process and has publicly lied about it he said

and has publicly lied about it he said

and has publicly lied about it he said no names were ever handed over and got

no names were ever handed over and got

no names were ever handed over and got very offended by the question when a

very offended by the question when a

very offended by the question when a journalist asked him and in his

journalist asked him and in his

journalist asked him and in his interview uh with investigators that led

interview uh with investigators that led

interview uh with investigators that led to being fired he basically showed off

to being fired he basically showed off

to being fired he basically showed off that he had managed to stop the UK being

that he had managed to stop the UK being

that he had managed to stop the UK being worried by telling them that I was mad

worried by telling them that I was mad

worried by telling them that I was mad so rather than look at the written

so rather than look at the written

so rather than look at the written evidence the UK government decided to

evidence the UK government decided to

evidence the UK government decided to have a beer with a friend and ignore

have a beer with a friend and ignore

have a beer with a friend and ignore their own citizen coming to them with

their own citizen coming to them with

their own citizen coming to them with written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN

written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN

written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN that endangered the lives of UK citizens

that endangered the lives of UK citizens

that endangered the lives of UK citizens and their

and their

and their families why is China getting special

families why is China getting special

families why is China getting special treat with

treat with

treat with then

then

then power um China has power China exercises

power um China has power China exercises

power um China has power China exercises that power I don't know what the initial

that power I don't know what the initial

that power I don't know what the initial interest was um I think this probably

interest was um I think this probably

interest was um I think this probably did genuinely start in 2006

did genuinely start in 2006

did genuinely start in 2006 as an act of misconduct by an individual

as an act of misconduct by an individual

as an act of misconduct by an individual staff member but since then every single

staff member but since then every single

staff member but since then every single senior

senior

senior manager has got behind

manager has got behind

manager has got behind it um China is a major donor Chinese

it um China is a major donor Chinese

it um China is a major donor Chinese diplomats get a lot of information on

diplomats get a lot of information on

diplomats get a lot of information on people um sometimes it's probably

people um sometimes it's probably

people um sometimes it's probably compromat.ru

I think to be honest in the case of my

I think to be honest in the case of my

I think to be honest in the case of my boss I think it was genuinely just he

boss I think it was genuinely just he

boss I think it was genuinely just he wanted an easy life and it was easier

wanted an easy life and it was easier

wanted an easy life and it was easier for him to just hand over the names and

for him to just hand over the names and

for him to just hand over the names and he just didn't care about the

he just didn't care about the

he just didn't care about the consequences he didn't think about

consequences he didn't think about

consequences he didn't think about them so China basically give over a huge

them so China basically give over a huge

them so China basically give over a huge amount of money under the kind of

amount of money under the kind of

amount of money under the kind of condition that you do what they say

condition that you do what they say

condition that you do what they say effectively yeah and a lot of that money

effectively yeah and a lot of that money

effectively yeah and a lot of that money that China gives has conditionalities

that China gives has conditionalities

that China gives has conditionalities attached that aren't made public so

attached that aren't made public so

attached that aren't made public so China gives a lot of money for example

China gives a lot of money for example

China gives a lot of money for example to development assistance um and

to development assistance um and

to development assistance um and particularly to the least developing

particularly to the least developing

particularly to the least developing countries and small is developing States

countries and small is developing States

countries and small is developing States now a lot of that money is conditioned

now a lot of that money is conditioned

now a lot of that money is conditioned on having diplomatic relations with

on having diplomatic relations with

on having diplomatic relations with China so you've seen a lot of small

China so you've seen a lot of small

China so you've seen a lot of small islands in the last few years cutting

islands in the last few years cutting

islands in the last few years cutting diplomatic relations with Taiwan

diplomatic relations with Taiwan

diplomatic relations with Taiwan otherwise they can't access un

otherwise they can't access un

otherwise they can't access un funds could you talk about is there a

funds could you talk about is there a

funds could you talk about is there a difference in the way for example the

difference in the way for example the

difference in the way for example the United States gives money to the UN you

United States gives money to the UN you

United States gives money to the UN you know for refugee camps for the FAO for

know for refugee camps for the FAO for

know for refugee camps for the FAO for this and the way that Beijing or the

this and the way that Beijing or the

this and the way that Beijing or the Chinese government donate to the UN the

Chinese government donate to the UN the

Chinese government donate to the UN the ways that different member states give

ways that different member states give

ways that different member states give money to the UN is very different so for

money to the UN is very different so for

money to the UN is very different so for most of the democracies they stick with

most of the democracies they stick with

most of the democracies they stick with the fiction that the UN is wonderfully

the fiction that the UN is wonderfully

the fiction that the UN is wonderfully independent and will do the right thing

independent and will do the right thing

independent and will do the right thing with the cash so they give money that's

with the cash so they give money that's

with the cash so they give money that's called une earmarked China does not do

called une earmarked China does not do

called une earmarked China does not do that China gives earmarked funds that

that China gives earmarked funds that

that China gives earmarked funds that usually reflect some Chinese interest um

usually reflect some Chinese interest um

usually reflect some Chinese interest um so the belt and Road Initiative for

so the belt and Road Initiative for

so the belt and Road Initiative for example will be largely funded through

example will be largely funded through

example will be largely funded through Chinese money um um I think that one

Chinese money um um I think that one

Chinese money um um I think that one really telling fund

really telling fund

really telling fund is it's called the peace and Development

is it's called the peace and Development

is it's called the peace and Development Fund and it's basically a slush fund for

Fund and it's basically a slush fund for

Fund and it's basically a slush fund for the Secretary General and China gives 20

the Secretary General and China gives 20

the Secretary General and China gives 20 million a year and it is jointly decided

million a year and it is jointly decided

million a year and it is jointly decided with the Secretary General what's that

with the Secretary General what's that

with the Secretary General what's that spent on so Secretary General can hire

spent on so Secretary General can hire

spent on so Secretary General can hire his preferred people can put his pet

his preferred people can put his pet

his preferred people can put his pet projects in it and China clearly thinks

projects in it and China clearly thinks

projects in it and China clearly thinks it's getting its money worth there and

it's getting its money worth there and

it's getting its money worth there and it really shocked me when I met Antonio

it really shocked me when I met Antonio

it really shocked me when I met Antonio guaras in person

guaras in person

guaras in person um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and

um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and

um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and for the Human Rights Council and a

for the Human Rights Council and a

for the Human Rights Council and a colleague had given me his actual direct

colleague had given me his actual direct

colleague had given me his actual direct email so I emailed him and said would

email so I emailed him and said would

email so I emailed him and said would you be available to meet and to his

you be available to meet and to his

you be available to meet and to his credit he actually agreed to meet me

credit he actually agreed to meet me

credit he actually agreed to meet me he's one of the very few senior managers

he's one of the very few senior managers

he's one of the very few senior managers to have done that and we met in Geneva

to have done that and we met in Geneva

to have done that and we met in Geneva airport and I told him you know I

airport and I told him you know I

airport and I told him you know I reported this names are being handed to

reported this names are being handed to

reported this names are being handed to China he was completely

China he was completely

China he was completely aware um

aware um

aware um I said I'm being subjected to

I said I'm being subjected to

I said I'm being subjected to retaliation for reporting this like I

retaliation for reporting this like I

retaliation for reporting this like I currently have no functions can you at

currently have no functions can you at

currently have no functions can you at least give me a job and we can have this

least give me a job and we can have this

least give me a job and we can have this fight but you know from a fair system

fight but you know from a fair system

fight but you know from a fair system where I'm getting work and he basically

where I'm getting work and he basically

where I'm getting work and he basically said well you know most people in the UN

said well you know most people in the UN

said well you know most people in the UN would dream of having no work so he

would dream of having no work so he

would dream of having no work so he knows the organization he's running

knows the organization he's running

knows the organization he's running um

um

um and yeah he

and yeah he

and yeah he basically told me that he was tired he

basically told me that he was tired he

basically told me that he was tired he only wanted to deal with the security

only wanted to deal with the security

only wanted to deal with the security Council he didn't want to deal with

Council he didn't want to deal with

Council he didn't want to deal with managing the

managing the

managing the organization and that other member

organization and that other member

organization and that other member states had put all these senior managers

states had put all these senior managers

states had put all these senior managers in place and he couldn't control

in place and he couldn't control

in place and he couldn't control them and we had some follow-up emails

them and we had some follow-up emails

them and we had some follow-up emails and it was really depressing he he said

and it was really depressing he he said

and it was really depressing he he said he would see what he could do with the

he would see what he could do with the

he would see what he could do with the people in

people in

people in charge now if the Secretary General

charge now if the Secretary General

charge now if the Secretary General isn't the person in charge of the United

isn't the person in charge of the United

isn't the person in charge of the United Nations Secretariat exactly who

Nations Secretariat exactly who

Nations Secretariat exactly who is who is he having to check with

is who is he having to check with

is who is he having to check with to shun a junior staff member

to shun a junior staff member

to shun a junior staff member sideways while there's an ongoing court

sideways while there's an ongoing court

sideways while there's an ongoing court case while I'm trying to stop them doing

case while I'm trying to stop them doing

case while I'm trying to stop them doing this and he

this and he

this and he made really clear that he didn't care

made really clear that he didn't care

made really clear that he didn't care about names being handed to China he

about names being handed to China he

about names being handed to China he just didn't care when I met with Anton

just didn't care when I met with Anton

just didn't care when I met with Anton gues I he that he knows I'm telling the

gues I he that he knows I'm telling the

gues I he that he knows I'm telling the truth um I implored him to make some

truth um I implored him to make some

truth um I implored him to make some public statement I implored him to at

public statement I implored him to at

public statement I implored him to at least let the weers whose names are

least let the weers whose names are

least let the weers whose names are being handed over know if this is

being handed over know if this is

being handed over know if this is continuing or not to be honest about the

continuing or not to be honest about the

continuing or not to be honest about the risks people are taking when they're

risks people are taking when they're

risks people are taking when they're engaging with the UN so that they know

engaging with the UN so that they know

engaging with the UN so that they know and can you know take informed decisions

and can you know take informed decisions

and can you know take informed decisions about their own lives and the lives of

about their own lives and the lives of

about their own lives and the lives of their family

their family

their family members um he said it would be

members um he said it would be

members um he said it would be difficult um and the difficulty for him

difficult um and the difficulty for him

difficult um and the difficulty for him was entirely a political one I think for

was entirely a political one I think for

was entirely a political one I think for him everything is uh political

him everything is uh political

him everything is uh political bargaining chip including human rights

bargaining chip including human rights

bargaining chip including human rights everything is about getting what he

everything is about getting what he

everything is about getting what he wants to be his legacy he wants his

wants to be his legacy he wants his

wants to be his legacy he wants his legacy to be climate

legacy to be climate

legacy to be climate change uh for climate change to be his

change uh for climate change to be his

change uh for climate change to be his legacy he feels he needs China's support

legacy he feels he needs China's support

legacy he feels he needs China's support in exchange for non-binding agreements

in exchange for non-binding agreements

in exchange for non-binding agreements that there's no chance China will

that there's no chance China will

that there's no chance China will actually stick to he's willing to

actually stick to he's willing to

actually stick to he's willing to overlook a major breach of international

overlook a major breach of international

overlook a major breach of international law that goes against the founding

law that goes against the founding

law that goes against the founding purposes of the United Nations it's no

purposes of the United Nations it's no

purposes of the United Nations it's no coincidence that I was fired in the week

coincidence that I was fired in the week

coincidence that I was fired in the week of the cop

of the cop

of the cop conference I've been speaking out about

conference I've been speaking out about

conference I've been speaking out about this for nine years my contract was

this for nine years my contract was

this for nine years my contract was renewed four times what changed so I'm I

renewed four times what changed so I'm I

renewed four times what changed so I'm I think it's fairly safe to say that I was

think it's fairly safe to say that I was

think it's fairly safe to say that I was part of a deal between Anton teris and

part of a deal between Anton teris and

part of a deal between Anton teris and the Chinese government to sign on yeah

the Chinese government to sign on yeah

the Chinese government to sign on yeah so that basically in exchange for

so that basically in exchange for

so that basically in exchange for uh the UN keeping you silent and firing

uh the UN keeping you silent and firing

uh the UN keeping you silent and firing you uh that China will will non-legally

you uh that China will will non-legally

you uh that China will will non-legally binding agree to shut down some power

binding agree to shut down some power

binding agree to shut down some power plants or something yeah basically you

plants or something yeah basically you

plants or something yeah basically you sign on to a non-legally binding

sign on to a non-legally binding

sign on to a non-legally binding agreement on climate change and you get

agreement on climate change and you get

agreement on climate change and you get one free

one free

one free genocide human rights are seen as an

genocide human rights are seen as an

genocide human rights are seen as an obstacle generally in the UN um whether

obstacle generally in the UN um whether

obstacle generally in the UN um whether it's at headquarters or in the fields uh

it's at headquarters or in the fields uh

it's at headquarters or in the fields uh when I was in morania and we were one of

when I was in morania and we were one of

when I was in morania and we were one of my rules there was to sort of contribute

my rules there was to sort of contribute

my rules there was to sort of contribute to the it's called it's like the the

to the it's called it's like the the

to the it's called it's like the the plan of the UN for the next year and

plan of the UN for the next year and

plan of the UN for the next year and every other UN agency was really trying

every other UN agency was really trying

every other UN agency was really trying to water down human rights same thing

to water down human rights same thing

to water down human rights same thing for the sustainable development goals um

for the sustainable development goals um

for the sustainable development goals um I actually in the last six months of

I actually in the last six months of

I actually in the last six months of that was leading the human rights office

that was leading the human rights office

that was leading the human rights office advocacy just because I happened to have

advocacy just because I happened to have

advocacy just because I happened to have a Math's degree as well and we were at

a Math's degree as well and we were at

a Math's degree as well and we were at the stage of discussing what we're going

the stage of discussing what we're going

the stage of discussing what we're going to measure and again every other UN

to measure and again every other UN

to measure and again every other UN agency just wanted human rights out of

agency just wanted human rights out of

agency just wanted human rights out of there because they're awward member

there because they're awward member

there because they're awward member states don't like them it stops good

states don't like them it stops good

states don't like them it stops good cooperation with the member

cooperation with the member

cooperation with the member states I mean human rights or legal

states I mean human rights or legal

states I mean human rights or legal rights that can only be used by an

rights that can only be used by an

rights that can only be used by an individual against a government when the

individual against a government when the

individual against a government when the government has done something

government has done something

government has done something wrong fundamentally if you're working in

wrong fundamentally if you're working in

wrong fundamentally if you're working in human rights and the government's like

human rights and the government's like

human rights and the government's like you you're doing it

you you're doing it

you you're doing it wrong

wrong

wrong and human rights are meant to be one of

and human rights are meant to be one of

and human rights are meant to be one of the three pillars of the UN but they

the three pillars of the UN but they

the three pillars of the UN but they just aren't I mean the first time the

just aren't I mean the first time the

just aren't I mean the first time the words United Nations were used was

words United Nations were used was

words United Nations were used was during World War II it was a declaration

during World War II it was a declaration

during World War II it was a declaration by the Allies where they refer to

by the Allies where they refer to

by the Allies where they refer to themselves as the United

themselves as the United

themselves as the United Nations um it was very much a sort of

Nations um it was very much a sort of

Nations um it was very much a sort of project that came out of that the idea

project that came out of that the idea

project that came out of that the idea of freedom from fear and want that there

of freedom from fear and want that there

of freedom from fear and want that there were certain rights that everyone had by

were certain rights that everyone had by

were certain rights that everyone had by virtue of being a human being the idea

virtue of being a human being the idea

virtue of being a human being the idea that and again it's in the preamble to

that and again it's in the preamble to

that and again it's in the preamble to the Charter the idea that twice in our

the Charter the idea that twice in our

the Charter the idea that twice in our lifetimes we have seen the scourge of

lifetimes we have seen the scourge of

lifetimes we have seen the scourge of war the

war the

war the references to genocide

references to genocide

references to genocide and the UN was supposed to be the

and the UN was supposed to be the

and the UN was supposed to be the organization that would make sure this

organization that would make sure this

organization that would make sure this couldn't happen again the League of

couldn't happen again the League of

couldn't happen again the League of Nations had failed World War II had

Nations had failed World War II had

Nations had failed World War II had happened we're going to try again but

happened we're going to try again but

happened we're going to try again but better this time and this this time

better this time and this this time

better this time and this this time we'll do it right this time we'll make

we'll do it right this time we'll make

we'll do it right this time we'll make sure that this cannot happen again and

sure that this cannot happen again and

sure that this cannot happen again and it is happening

it is happening

it is happening again instead of it being Jewish people

again instead of it being Jewish people

again instead of it being Jewish people marched into camps now it's weaker

marched into camps now it's weaker

marched into camps now it's weaker people and the world is just standing by

people and the world is just standing by

people and the world is just standing by and watching and prioritizing its

and watching and prioritizing its

and watching and prioritizing its economic relationship with China Above

economic relationship with China Above

economic relationship with China Above All Else

All Else

All Else and the body that was founded on the

and the body that was founded on the

and the body that was founded on the idea that at least here we will have

idea that at least here we will have

idea that at least here we will have some moral Authority here they will

some moral Authority here they will

some moral Authority here they will speak

speak

speak out is silent there has been absolute

out is silent there has been absolute

out is silent there has been absolute Silence from Antonio guaris from

Silence from Antonio guaris from

Silence from Antonio guaris from Michelle Bash from all of the people who

Michelle Bash from all of the people who

Michelle Bash from all of the people who are supposed to speak about this

are supposed to speak about this

are supposed to speak about this occasionally an independent un expert

occasionally an independent un expert

occasionally an independent un expert has made a statement but the UN as such

has made a statement but the UN as such

has made a statement but the UN as such is

is

is [Music]

[Music]

[Music] silent I think the fundamental problem

silent I think the fundamental problem

silent I think the fundamental problem in the United Nations is that the senior

in the United Nations is that the senior

in the United Nations is that the senior managers are so devoid of Ethics that

managers are so devoid of Ethics that

managers are so devoid of Ethics that they don't understand what having ethics

they don't understand what having ethics

they don't understand what having ethics would look like so instead of engaging

would look like so instead of engaging

would look like so instead of engaging with me on the issues I'm reporting and

with me on the issues I'm reporting and

with me on the issues I'm reporting and doing anything to try to either stop

doing anything to try to either stop

doing anything to try to either stop handing names to China or give me some

handing names to China or give me some

handing names to China or give me some kind of evidence that they might be

kind of evidence that they might be

kind of evidence that they might be considering stopping it they've always

considering stopping it they've always

considering stopping it they've always tried to effectively buy me

tried to effectively buy me

tried to effectively buy me off um when I first approached the

off um when I first approached the

off um when I first approached the ethics office I was told you know

ethics office I was told you know

ethics office I was told you know instead of coming to us and asking for

instead of coming to us and asking for

instead of coming to us and asking for protection you should use the

protection you should use the

protection you should use the information to get your boss to give you

information to get your boss to give you

information to get your boss to give you promotion elsewhere effectively get a

promotion elsewhere effectively get a

promotion elsewhere effectively get a pay rise out of it instead of doing

pay rise out of it instead of doing

pay rise out of it instead of doing anything about it then they said that

anything about it then they said that

anything about it then they said that they would give me many years salary if

they would give me many years salary if

they would give me many years salary if I would go away and sign a

I would go away and sign a

I would go away and sign a non-disclosure agreement um at every

non-disclosure agreement um at every

non-disclosure agreement um at every turn it has been about personal benefit

turn it has been about personal benefit

turn it has been about personal benefit to

to

to me they simply cannot conceive of the

me they simply cannot conceive of the

me they simply cannot conceive of the possibility that someone might actually

possibility that someone might actually

possibility that someone might actually value the lives and safety of an entire

value the lives and safety of an entire

value the lives and safety of an entire people over their personal pay and

people over their personal pay and

people over their personal pay and benefits and those are the people

benefits and those are the people

benefits and those are the people running the UN how has this experience

running the UN how has this experience

running the UN how has this experience made you look at the things that

made you look at the things that

made you look at the things that unfolded during World War II with the

unfolded during World War II with the

unfolded during World War II with the Holocaust of the Jews and other

Holocaust of the Jews and other

Holocaust of the Jews and other minorities has

minorities has

minorities has this has this informed your view of what

this has this informed your view of what

this has this informed your view of what what um like you said plausible

what um like you said plausible

what um like you said plausible deniability and he said she said not

deniability and he said she said not

deniability and he said she said not wanting to do anything about it ignoring

wanting to do anything about it ignoring

wanting to do anything about it ignoring things that led to it to evil prospering

things that led to it to evil prospering

things that led to it to evil prospering has this experience informed the way you

has this experience informed the way you

has this experience informed the way you look at history and other genocides yeah

look at history and other genocides yeah

look at history and other genocides yeah and I think not just the Holocaust but

and I think not just the Holocaust but

and I think not just the Holocaust but also the other genocides uh Rwanda where

also the other genocides uh Rwanda where

also the other genocides uh Rwanda where you know the UN has a share of

you know the UN has a share of

you know the UN has a share of responsibility uh [\h__\h]

responsibility uh [\h__\h]

responsibility uh [\h__\h] um there's a wonderful quote um not to

um there's a wonderful quote um not to

um there's a wonderful quote um not to get too esoteric from Dante that I

get too esoteric from Dante that I

get too esoteric from Dante that I always that informed a lot of my human

always that informed a lot of my human

always that informed a lot of my human rights work the deepest Court of hell is

rights work the deepest Court of hell is

rights work the deepest Court of hell is reserved served for those in times of

reserved served for those in times of

reserved served for those in times of great moral crisis sit by and do

great moral crisis sit by and do

great moral crisis sit by and do nothing that is that pretty much sums up

nothing that is that pretty much sums up

nothing that is that pretty much sums up My Philosophy about human rights that

My Philosophy about human rights that

My Philosophy about human rights that for human rights abuses to thrive it

for human rights abuses to thrive it

for human rights abuses to thrive it requires good people to do

requires good people to do

requires good people to do nothing yeah do do you see some s

nothing yeah do do you see some s

nothing yeah do do you see some s similarities also between what's

similarities also between what's

similarities also between what's happening now

happening now

happening now in Jin Jang and what happened during

in Jin Jang and what happened during

in Jin Jang and what happened during World War II are there of course

World War II are there of course

World War II are there of course shinjang now has the network of

shinjang now has the network of

shinjang now has the network of concentration camp since the

concentration camp since the

concentration camp since the Nazis um we haven't seen this kind

Nazis um we haven't seen this kind

Nazis um we haven't seen this kind of organized statun genocide on this

of organized statun genocide on this

of organized statun genocide on this scale uh in

scale uh in

scale uh in years there's a reason why the

years there's a reason why the

years there's a reason why the organizations that are shouting the

organizations that are shouting the

organizations that are shouting the loudest are the Jewish

loudest are the Jewish

loudest are the Jewish organizations we're heading down a very

organizations we're heading down a very

organizations we're heading down a very dangerous path and the birth rates speak

dangerous path and the birth rates speak

dangerous path and the birth rates speak for themselves they are sterilizing an

for themselves they are sterilizing an

for themselves they are sterilizing an entire

entire

entire people and the world is basically

people and the world is basically

people and the world is basically sitting by and watching it happen and

sitting by and watching it happen and

sitting by and watching it happen and the UN is

the UN is

the UN is silent the UN High Commissioner for

silent the UN High Commissioner for

silent the UN High Commissioner for human rights has not made a single

human rights has not made a single

human rights has not made a single statement about this the Secretary

statement about this the Secretary

statement about this the Secretary General has not made a single statement

General has not made a single statement

General has not made a single statement about this the only statements out of

about this the only statements out of

about this the only statements out of the UN have been the odd expert that

the UN have been the odd expert that

the UN have been the odd expert that might say

might say

might say something but they have refused the

something but they have refused the

something but they have refused the pleas of the Wagers to speak out and

pleas of the Wagers to speak out and

pleas of the Wagers to speak out and they have refused even to tell the weers

they have refused even to tell the weers

they have refused even to tell the weers whether or not they're still handing

whether or not they're still handing

whether or not they're still handing their names to China they have

their names to China they have

their names to China they have asked could you tell me about we Muslims

asked could you tell me about we Muslims

asked could you tell me about we Muslims their plight the concentration camps try

their plight the concentration camps try

their plight the concentration camps try and give a a big picture of you for

and give a a big picture of you for

and give a a big picture of you for people who have no idea what who they

people who have no idea what who they

people who have no idea what who they are what's going on um the weaker

are what's going on um the weaker

are what's going on um the weaker minority is based in xinjang in China

minority is based in xinjang in China

minority is based in xinjang in China which is a very mineral Rich area um and

which is a very mineral Rich area um and

which is a very mineral Rich area um and an area that the Chinese government very

an area that the Chinese government very

an area that the Chinese government very much wants to exploit

much wants to exploit

much wants to exploit um China does not have the greatest of

um China does not have the greatest of

um China does not have the greatest of records with any ethnic or religious

records with any ethnic or religious

records with any ethnic or religious minority and have taken a similar

minority and have taken a similar

minority and have taken a similar approach to the weaker Muslims as they

approach to the weaker Muslims as they

approach to the weaker Muslims as they took for example to Tibet so there has

took for example to Tibet so there has

took for example to Tibet so there has been widescale destruction of all

been widescale destruction of all

been widescale destruction of all cultural sites mosques have been raised

cultural sites mosques have been raised

cultural sites mosques have been raised burial sites have been raised

burial sites have been raised

burial sites have been raised um the Chinese government places what

um the Chinese government places what

um the Chinese government places what they call Cousins in the families of

they call Cousins in the families of

they call Cousins in the families of Wagers um these are basically Chinese

Wagers um these are basically Chinese

Wagers um these are basically Chinese spies that report back on whether or not

spies that report back on whether or not

spies that report back on whether or not they're religiously observant um they

they're religiously observant um they

they're religiously observant um they will do things like try to encourage

will do things like try to encourage

will do things like try to encourage people to drink alcohol eat pork um it

people to drink alcohol eat pork um it

people to drink alcohol eat pork um it doesn't take a genius to figure out that

doesn't take a genius to figure out that

doesn't take a genius to figure out that if you have a strange man that is

if you have a strange man that is

if you have a strange man that is sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh

sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh

sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh sexual violence

sexual violence

sexual violence ensues um

ensues um

ensues um um in recent years the repression has

um in recent years the repression has

um in recent years the repression has ramped up uh China has constructed the

ramped up uh China has constructed the

ramped up uh China has constructed the largest network of concentration camps

largest network of concentration camps

largest network of concentration camps that has been seen since the

that has been seen since the

that has been seen since the Nazis

Nazis

Nazis um there is widespread forc Labor uh in

um there is widespread forc Labor uh in

um there is widespread forc Labor uh in those camps uh there are reports of

those camps uh there are reports of

those camps uh there are reports of insufficient food widespread systematic

insufficient food widespread systematic

insufficient food widespread systematic torture uh systematic rip

torture uh systematic rip

torture uh systematic rip including having hand Chinese pay for

including having hand Chinese pay for

including having hand Chinese pay for the privilege to come in and rip women

the privilege to come in and rip women

the privilege to come in and rip women who are tied to

who are tied to

who are tied to beds um they can select which of the

beds um they can select which of the

beds um they can select which of the women they would like to

women they would like to

women they would like to rip um the there are very large scale

rip um the there are very large scale

rip um the there are very large scale sterilization efforts um of the women

sterilization efforts um of the women

sterilization efforts um of the women who are attend either iuds or more often

who are attend either iuds or more often

who are attend either iuds or more often surgical um the children who were both

surgical um the children who were both

surgical um the children who were both parents are detained are sent to

parents are detained are sent to

parents are detained are sent to orphanage is where they

orphanage is where they

orphanage is where they are basically required to denounce their

are basically required to denounce their

are basically required to denounce their culture um

culture um

culture um to sing the Praises of the Chinese

to sing the Praises of the Chinese

to sing the Praises of the Chinese government again um destruction of any

government again um destruction of any

government again um destruction of any cultural tradition destruction of any

cultural tradition destruction of any

cultural tradition destruction of any link between sort of parents and

link between sort of parents and

link between sort of parents and children um yeah just I said on a scale

children um yeah just I said on a scale

children um yeah just I said on a scale that has not been seen since the

that has not been seen since the

that has not been seen since the Holocaust and

Holocaust and

Holocaust and and disturbingly it seems that the world

and disturbingly it seems that the world

and disturbingly it seems that the world is willing to just sit by and watch it

is willing to just sit by and watch it

is willing to just sit by and watch it happen do you want to talk about a bit

happen do you want to talk about a bit

happen do you want to talk about a bit more about the concentration caps

more about the concentration caps

more about the concentration caps because there's been a number of

because there's been a number of

because there's been a number of satellite images that come out and I

satellite images that come out and I

satellite images that come out and I don't know if you're aware of this or if

don't know if you're aware of this or if

don't know if you're aware of this or if you comfortable talking about I heard

you comfortable talking about I heard

you comfortable talking about I heard the now Stars build them underground to

the now Stars build them underground to

the now Stars build them underground to avoid the satellite images yeah um so

avoid the satellite images yeah um so

avoid the satellite images yeah um so could you talk about the concentration

could you talk about the concentration

could you talk about the concentration camps the scale that they're offering

camps the scale that they're offering

camps the scale that they're offering how fast they're growing and then the

how fast they're growing and then the

how fast they're growing and then the underground thing yeah

underground thing yeah

underground thing yeah the the scale is impressive um I

the the scale is impressive um I

the the scale is impressive um I mean estimates are that between 1 and 3

mean estimates are that between 1 and 3

mean estimates are that between 1 and 3 million wakers are detained um because a

million wakers are detained um because a

million wakers are detained um because a lot of satellite imagery has been

lot of satellite imagery has been

lot of satellite imagery has been employed to prove the extent of the

employed to prove the extent of the

employed to prove the extent of the camps um there have been various other

camps um there have been various other

camps um there have been various other methods used um some of the camps seem

methods used um some of the camps seem

methods used um some of the camps seem to have larger underground sections

to have larger underground sections

to have larger underground sections being instructed in other cases China

being instructed in other cases China

being instructed in other cases China has moved on from the Camp regime to

has moved on from the Camp regime to

has moved on from the Camp regime to placing people in prisons so a sort of

placing people in prisons so a sort of

placing people in prisons so a sort of transition from a labor camp directly

transition from a labor camp directly

transition from a labor camp directly into prison um for you know offenses

into prison um for you know offenses

into prison um for you know offenses such as being Muslim and there's been a

such as being Muslim and there's been a

such as being Muslim and there's been a significant movement in that direction

significant movement in that direction

significant movement in that direction of sort of criminalization and where

of sort of criminalization and where

of sort of criminalization and where questions are asked internationally

questions are asked internationally

questions are asked internationally about specific individuals those

about specific individuals those

about specific individuals those individuals will then be given a lengthy

individuals will then be given a lengthy

individuals will then be given a lengthy prison

prison

prison sentence um a lot of people have

sentence um a lot of people have

sentence um a lot of people have disappeared into this system their

disappeared into this system their

disappeared into this system their whereabouts are

whereabouts are

whereabouts are unknown uh their families have no

unknown uh their families have no

unknown uh their families have no contact with them um family members

contact with them um family members

contact with them um family members based outside China can't have any any

based outside China can't have any any

based outside China can't have any any contact with their families still in

contact with their families still in

contact with their families still in China because such contact is now a

China because such contact is now a

China because such contact is now a reason to be placed in a concentration

reason to be placed in a concentration

reason to be placed in a concentration camp um a lot of wegers are also forced

camp um a lot of wegers are also forced

camp um a lot of wegers are also forced um to denounce any wegers outside of

um to denounce any wegers outside of

um to denounce any wegers outside of shinjang who may speak up um family

shinjang who may speak up um family

shinjang who may speak up um family members of doesa for example have been

members of doesa for example have been

members of doesa for example have been forced to testify on camera that he's

forced to testify on camera that he's

forced to testify on camera that he's lying that it's all

lying that it's all

lying that it's all untrue um similarly for most of those

untrue um similarly for most of those

untrue um similarly for most of those whose names appear on Chinese China's

whose names appear on Chinese China's

whose names appear on Chinese China's lists um for the Wagers whose names are

lists um for the Wagers whose names are

lists um for the Wagers whose names are on Chinese China's lists that the UN has

on Chinese China's lists that the UN has

on Chinese China's lists that the UN has handed over their names their entire

handed over their names their entire

handed over their names their entire extended families are now concentration

extended families are now concentration

extended families are now concentration camps talk about the kind of torture

camps talk about the kind of torture

camps talk about the kind of torture that they're enjoying

that they're enjoying

that they're enjoying um there are various things like um

um there are various things like um

um there are various things like um tiger chairs where people are sort of

tiger chairs where people are sort of

tiger chairs where people are sort of held in

held in

held in positions um stressed positions for long

positions um stressed positions for long

positions um stressed positions for long periods of time there's deprivation of

periods of time there's deprivation of

periods of time there's deprivation of food deprivation of

food deprivation of

food deprivation of sleep um Regular

sleep um Regular

sleep um Regular beatings a lot of torture and sort of

beatings a lot of torture and sort of

beatings a lot of torture and sort of having worked with a lot of torture

having worked with a lot of torture

having worked with a lot of torture victims people report the psychological

victims people report the psychological

victims people report the psychological torture is the worst um they're not

torture is the worst um they're not

torture is the worst um they're not knowing what's happening to your

knowing what's happening to your

knowing what's happening to your families the hearing the screams of

families the hearing the screams of

families the hearing the screams of others being tortured is often reported

others being tortured is often reported

others being tortured is often reported as being almost worse it being tortured

as being almost worse it being tortured

as being almost worse it being tortured yourself

yourself

yourself um people are forced to participate in

um people are forced to participate in

um people are forced to participate in the torture of others um for example

the torture of others um for example

the torture of others um for example particularly when it comes to the masss

particularly when it comes to the masss

particularly when it comes to the masss some weager women are forced to tie

some weager women are forced to tie

some weager women are forced to tie others to beds to prepare them to be

others to beds to prepare them to be

others to beds to prepare them to be raised by hand Chinese men who pay for

raised by hand Chinese men who pay for

raised by hand Chinese men who pay for the

the

the privilege um and that's one of the ways

privilege um and that's one of the ways

privilege um and that's one of the ways of breaking down those kind of societal

of breaking down those kind of societal

of breaking down those kind of societal bonds and breaking down communities

bonds and breaking down communities

bonds and breaking down communities is the forced participation in torture

is the forced participation in torture

is the forced participation in torture of

of

of others um watching the torture of close

others um watching the torture of close

others um watching the torture of close family members or close friends um again

family members or close friends um again

family members or close friends um again that's something that most victims

that's something that most victims

that's something that most victims report as being almost worse than being

report as being almost worse than being

report as being almost worse than being subject to torture

subject to torture

subject to torture yourself

yourself

yourself um I mean it's just horrific

it's almost anything that you you can

it's almost anything that you you can

it's almost anything that you you can imagine has been reported as happening

imagine has been reported as happening

imagine has been reported as happening in these camps um also the the

in these camps um also the the

in these camps um also the the significant evidence of organ harvesting

significant evidence of organ harvesting

significant evidence of organ harvesting um that's something that the Chinese

um that's something that the Chinese

um that's something that the Chinese government uses already sort of widely

government uses already sort of widely

government uses already sort of widely known on members of fang gong and people

known on members of fang gong and people

known on members of fang gong and people sentenced to death is forced organ

sentenced to death is forced organ

sentenced to death is forced organ harvesting and there is evidence that

harvesting and there is evidence that

harvesting and there is evidence that that is happening also in the

that is happening also in the

that is happening also in the camps um and you know it's it's a hell

camps um and you know it's it's a hell

camps um and you know it's it's a hell of a euphemism but you know we take out

of a euphemism but you know we take out

of a euphemism but you know we take out most organs and the person

most organs and the person

most organs and the person dies so it's state sanction murder what

dies so it's state sanction murder what

dies so it's state sanction murder what China has made the Xin Jang region um

China has made the Xin Jang region um

China has made the Xin Jang region um Orwell would be proud there is

Orwell would be proud there is

Orwell would be proud there is surveillance everywhere and there's

surveillance everywhere and there's

surveillance everywhere and there's significant complicity

significant complicity

significant complicity of or of companies based in the global

of or of companies based in the global

of or of companies based in the global North in this um there's facial

North in this um there's facial

North in this um there's facial recognition cameras basically everywhere

recognition cameras basically everywhere

recognition cameras basically everywhere your every movement is tracked um they

your every movement is tracked um they

your every movement is tracked um they specifically look for weaker faces

specifically look for weaker faces

specifically look for weaker faces they're designed to look for weaker

they're designed to look for weaker

they're designed to look for weaker faces um the surveillance includes

faces um the surveillance includes

faces um the surveillance includes Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming

Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming

Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming living in your house and Reporting back

living in your house and Reporting back

living in your house and Reporting back on a regular

on a regular

on a regular basis um

basis um

basis um the there's your mobile phones have

the there's your mobile phones have

the there's your mobile phones have um are tracked just systemic

um are tracked just systemic

um are tracked just systemic systematically

systematically

systematically um every move is tracked everything

um every move is tracked everything

um every move is tracked everything every weaker does is tracked any

every weaker does is tracked any

every weaker does is tracked any indication that they're sort of

indication that they're sort of

indication that they're sort of approaching a mosque that they haven't

approaching a mosque that they haven't

approaching a mosque that they haven't eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol

eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol

eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol that they might be observing Ramadan all

that they might be observing Ramadan all

that they might be observing Ramadan all of that is tracked and is used for

of that is tracked and is used for

of that is tracked and is used for almost a social capital score and if you

almost a social capital score and if you

almost a social capital score and if you fall below a certain level you will be

fall below a certain level you will be

fall below a certain level you will be put in a camp for

re-education could you you um you know

re-education could you you um you know

re-education could you you um you know is there you talk about slave the

is there you talk about slave the

is there you talk about slave the slavery that's going on you know is

slavery that's going on you know is

slavery that's going on you know is there slave labor going with the weers

there slave labor going with the weers

there slave labor going with the weers I've heard things about the women

I've heard things about the women

I've heard things about the women selling like the hair being taken I've

selling like the hair being taken I've

selling like the hair being taken I've heard about covid masks being made in

heard about covid masks being made in

heard about covid masks being made in these camps slave abor is happening in

these camps slave abor is happening in

these camps slave abor is happening in the jinjang region these concentration

the jinjang region these concentration

the jinjang region these concentration camps are used as sources of slave labor

camps are used as sources of slave labor

camps are used as sources of slave labor um a lot of Western companies are

um a lot of Western companies are

um a lot of Western companies are benefiting from that 80% of the world's

benefiting from that 80% of the world's

benefiting from that 80% of the world's cotton is produced in chin Jang um

cotton is produced in chin Jang um

cotton is produced in chin Jang um companies like Zara Nike most Major

companies like Zara Nike most Major

companies like Zara Nike most Major Brands um are profiting from that uh

Brands um are profiting from that uh

Brands um are profiting from that uh some of them have even advertised it to

some of them have even advertised it to

some of them have even advertised it to their Chinese market so hug boss has

their Chinese market so hug boss has

their Chinese market so hug boss has advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi

advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi

advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi advertises using shinjan cotton

advertises using shinjan cotton

advertises using shinjan cotton Volkswagen has a factory that's

Volkswagen has a factory that's

Volkswagen has a factory that's basically in one of the camps uh which

basically in one of the camps uh which

basically in one of the camps uh which given their history you would have

given their history you would have

given their history you would have thought might have caused him to think

thought might have caused him to think

thought might have caused him to think twice there's also forcible transfer of

twice there's also forcible transfer of

twice there's also forcible transfer of weers to other regions in China so if

weers to other regions in China so if

weers to other regions in China so if you are buying anything that is made in

you are buying anything that is made in

you are buying anything that is made in China the chances are that it could well

China the chances are that it could well

China the chances are that it could well be tinted by slave labor one of the

be tinted by slave labor one of the

be tinted by slave labor one of the things that was reported um earlier in

things that was reported um earlier in

things that was reported um earlier in the camps is that women are having their

the camps is that women are having their

the camps is that women are having their hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs

hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs

hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs being sold in the global North are

being sold in the global North are

being sold in the global North are actually forcibly removed hair from

actually forcibly removed hair from

actually forcibly removed hair from women who are being held in

women who are being held in

women who are being held in concentration

concentration

concentration camps um and there's a huge

camps um and there's a huge

camps um and there's a huge responsibility on the part of

responsibility on the part of

responsibility on the part of governments in the global North that are

governments in the global North that are

governments in the global North that are allowing these products in sourcing of

allowing these products in sourcing of

allowing these products in sourcing of tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes

tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes

tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes that are sold in Europe as being Italian

that are sold in Europe as being Italian

that are sold in Europe as being Italian are processed in Italy but the tomatoes

are processed in Italy but the tomatoes

are processed in Italy but the tomatoes are grown in chin Jang and picked with

are grown in chin Jang and picked with

are grown in chin Jang and picked with people using slave slave labor

people using slave slave labor

people using slave slave labor specifically why is the Chinese

specifically why is the Chinese

specifically why is the Chinese government doing this what are they

government doing this what are they

government doing this what are they hoping to achieve with this with this

hoping to achieve with this with this

hoping to achieve with this with this genocide the destruction of the wiger

genocide the destruction of the wiger

genocide the destruction of the wiger people the Chinese government is eing to

people the Chinese government is eing to

people the Chinese government is eing to story The weaker people that's the

story The weaker people that's the

story The weaker people that's the definition of genocide um the actions

definition of genocide um the actions

definition of genocide um the actions that they are taking fulfill the

that they are taking fulfill the

that they are taking fulfill the definition of genocide the people

definition of genocide the people

definition of genocide the people writing the genocide convention were the

writing the genocide convention were the

writing the genocide convention were the victims of the Holocaust they knew what

victims of the Holocaust they knew what

victims of the Holocaust they knew what they were doing they didn't require that

they were doing they didn't require that

they were doing they didn't require that the population be being incinerated in

the population be being incinerated in

the population be being incinerated in order to start to say it was a genocide

order to start to say it was a genocide

order to start to say it was a genocide they they put the bar slightly before

they they put the bar slightly before

they they put the bar slightly before that point so they said preventing

that point so they said preventing

that point so they said preventing births in Group which China is doing um

births in Group which China is doing um

births in Group which China is doing um subject

subject

subject systematic subjecting people to torture

systematic subjecting people to torture

systematic subjecting people to torture which China is doing um those also

which China is doing um those also

which China is doing um those also constitute genocide removing the

constitute genocide removing the

constitute genocide removing the children of a population which again re

children of a population which again re

children of a population which again re both parents in a concentration CH China

both parents in a concentration CH China

both parents in a concentration CH China is

is

is doing the IM is the destruction of the

doing the IM is the destruction of the

doing the IM is the destruction of the weaker people um they're

weaker people um they're

weaker people um they're taking what they did in Tibet with which

taking what they did in Tibet with which

taking what they did in Tibet with which the International Community let them

the International Community let them

the International Community let them away with and they're basically putting

away with and they're basically putting

away with and they're basically putting it on steroids and applying it in Shin

it on steroids and applying it in Shin

it on steroids and applying it in Shin Jang are there you mentioned that the

Jang are there you mentioned that the

Jang are there you mentioned that the reing of children is there is there like

reing of children is there is there like

reing of children is there is there like forced abortions as well or is

forced abortions as well or is

forced abortions as well or is that in some cases um it's not even a

that in some cases um it's not even a

that in some cases um it's not even a forced abortion it's killing the child

forced abortion it's killing the child

forced abortion it's killing the child immediately after birth um where the

immediately after birth um where the

immediately after birth um where the pregnancy has gone on for long enough

pregnancy has gone on for long enough

pregnancy has gone on for long enough that the child is viable

that the child is viable

that the child is viable sometimes the forced abortion result in

sometimes the forced abortion result in

sometimes the forced abortion result in a live birth and the child is

killed how important is the Jin Jang

killed how important is the Jin Jang

killed how important is the Jin Jang region for the uh belon Road initiative

region for the uh belon Road initiative

region for the uh belon Road initiative oh it's

oh it's

oh it's essential and the Belton Road initiative

essential and the Belton Road initiative

essential and the Belton Road initiative is China's

is China's

is China's big development effort and the current

big development effort and the current

big development effort and the current High Commissioner for human rights uh

High Commissioner for human rights uh

High Commissioner for human rights uh Michelle bashley was the Latin American

Michelle bashley was the Latin American

Michelle bashley was the Latin American contact for the belon route initiative

contact for the belon route initiative

contact for the belon route initiative when she was President of Chile

when she was President of Chile

when she was President of Chile so she is very committed to belt and

so she is very committed to belt and

so she is very committed to belt and Road and her country's economy depends

Road and her country's economy depends

Road and her country's economy depends on

on

on China and as High Commissioner of course

China and as High Commissioner of course

China and as High Commissioner of course she's now agreed to never meet with any

she's now agreed to never meet with any

she's now agreed to never meet with any dissidents that China does not want her

dissidents that China does not want her

dissidents that China does not want her to meet with there are many

to meet with there are many

to meet with there are many Communications from the Chinese

Communications from the Chinese

Communications from the Chinese government thanking Miss bashet and her

government thanking Miss bashet and her

government thanking Miss bashet and her predecessor Prince a for never meeting

predecessor Prince a for never meeting

predecessor Prince a for never meeting with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong

with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong

with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong activists it's policy it has been policy

activists it's policy it has been policy

activists it's policy it has been policy for years they simply don't do it they

for years they simply don't do it they

for years they simply don't do it they aren't willing to annoy China

aren't willing to annoy China

aren't willing to annoy China and as I said human rights are rights

and as I said human rights are rights

and as I said human rights are rights that can only be used by individuals

that can only be used by individuals

that can only be used by individuals against governments so if a totalitarian

against governments so if a totalitarian

against governments so if a totalitarian regime that is committing genocide like

regime that is committing genocide like

regime that is committing genocide like so you might be doing that wrong

so you might be doing that wrong

so you might be doing that wrong similarly Antonio guas very committed to

similarly Antonio guas very committed to

similarly Antonio guas very committed to belt and Road uh his peace and

belt and Road uh his peace and

belt and Road uh his peace and development 20 million years SL fund

development 20 million years SL fund

development 20 million years SL fund from China is all about belon Road

from China is all about belon Road

from China is all about belon Road in terms of Natural Resources shinjang

in terms of Natural Resources shinjang

in terms of Natural Resources shinjang is incredibly Rich it's really at the

is incredibly Rich it's really at the

is incredibly Rich it's really at the cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's

cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's

cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's it's where everything gets transported

it's where everything gets transported

it's where everything gets transported through China desperately needs to hang

through China desperately needs to hang

through China desperately needs to hang on to Shin Jang China could not afford

on to Shin Jang China could not afford

on to Shin Jang China could not afford to have the weaker Independence Movement

to have the weaker Independence Movement

to have the weaker Independence Movement be successful um it's an incredibly Rich

be successful um it's an incredibly Rich

be successful um it's an incredibly Rich region um in terms of coal in terms of

region um in terms of coal in terms of

region um in terms of coal in terms of oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms

oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms

oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms of Natural Resources wind energy

of Natural Resources wind energy

of Natural Resources wind energy Renewables it's all there

Renewables it's all there

Renewables it's all there so part of its effort in this genocide

so part of its effort in this genocide

so part of its effort in this genocide is to very quickly shift the

is to very quickly shift the

is to very quickly shift the demographics so for example now Tibet is

demographics so for example now Tibet is

demographics so for example now Tibet is majority hand Chinese and the aim is to

majority hand Chinese and the aim is to

majority hand Chinese and the aim is to make the weaker region the same so if

make the weaker region the same so if

make the weaker region the same so if you look at the birth rates the areas

you look at the birth rates the areas

you look at the birth rates the areas that are majority weaker have plummeting

that are majority weaker have plummeting

that are majority weaker have plummeting birth threats and the mixed areas

birth threats and the mixed areas

birth threats and the mixed areas they're plummeting less there's a very

they're plummeting less there's a very

they're plummeting less there's a very much targeted demographic change and

much targeted demographic change and

much targeted demographic change and they want that happening

they want that happening

they want that happening quickly it feels like much of the world

quickly it feels like much of the world

quickly it feels like much of the world still doesn't know about this issue and

still doesn't know about this issue and

still doesn't know about this issue and the ones that have heard about it here

the ones that have heard about it here

the ones that have heard about it here ring an article or two struggle to

ring an article or two struggle to

ring an article or two struggle to really comprehend the gravity of it and

really comprehend the gravity of it and

really comprehend the gravity of it and believe that it's really true and that

believe that it's really true and that

believe that it's really true and that it's really happening yeah what your

it's really happening yeah what your

it's really happening yeah what your thoughts on that repeat back a little

thoughts on that repeat back a little

thoughts on that repeat back a little bit of that I think a lot of the reason

bit of that I think a lot of the reason

bit of that I think a lot of the reason why people struggle to sort of believe

why people struggle to sort of believe

why people struggle to sort of believe it's happening is is the idea of never

it's happening is is the idea of never

it's happening is is the idea of never again surely If This Were happening we

again surely If This Were happening we

again surely If This Were happening we would be paying more

would be paying more

would be paying more attention um and part of that is the

attention um and part of that is the

attention um and part of that is the sort of lack of

sort of lack of

sort of lack of access you know it's very difficult to

access you know it's very difficult to

access you know it's very difficult to get into jinjang some incredibly brave

get into jinjang some incredibly brave

get into jinjang some incredibly brave people who are based there have gone

people who are based there have gone

people who are based there have gone around the cameras filming where the

around the cameras filming where the

around the cameras filming where the concentration camps are verifying those

concentration camps are verifying those

concentration camps are verifying those satellite

satellite

satellite images but anyone that actually tries to

images but anyone that actually tries to

images but anyone that actually tries to travel the region is taled by Chinese

travel the region is taled by Chinese

travel the region is taled by Chinese police is forced back um you know you

police is forced back um you know you

police is forced back um you know you can go in and have a kind of pkin

can go in and have a kind of pkin

can go in and have a kind of pkin Village tour but that's it um anyone who

Village tour but that's it um anyone who

Village tour but that's it um anyone who speaks out outside China knows that if

speaks out outside China knows that if

speaks out outside China knows that if they dare to speak their families will

they dare to speak their families will

they dare to speak their families will be targeted some of them incredibly

be targeted some of them incredibly

be targeted some of them incredibly bravely choose to take that decision for

bravely choose to take that decision for

bravely choose to take that decision for the sort of greater good but the

the sort of greater good but the

the sort of greater good but the Heartbreak that that

Heartbreak that that

Heartbreak that that entails um there's also just the the the

entails um there's also just the the the

entails um there's also just the the the misinformation

misinformation

misinformation campaigns um one of the other things my

campaigns um one of the other things my

campaigns um one of the other things my boss allowed to happen in the UN was for

boss allowed to happen in the UN was for

boss allowed to happen in the UN was for China outside the Human Rights Council

China outside the Human Rights Council

China outside the Human Rights Council to have

to have

to have a an exhibit on Happy People in

a an exhibit on Happy People in

a an exhibit on Happy People in shinjang um all of those exhibits during

shinjang um all of those exhibits during

shinjang um all of those exhibits during the Human Rights Council have to be

the Human Rights Council have to be

the Human Rights Council have to be approved by the UN Secretariat he

approved by the UN Secretariat he

approved by the UN Secretariat he approved that one the rule is nothing on

approved that one the rule is nothing on

approved that one the rule is nothing on a country during the Human Rights

a country during the Human Rights

a country during the Human Rights Council but he allowed there to be that

Council but he allowed there to be that

Council but he allowed there to be that exhibit again another way of

exhibit again another way of

exhibit again another way of intimidating weers who are thinking and

intimidating weers who are thinking and

intimidating weers who are thinking and speaking out into silence even in the

speaking out into silence even in the

speaking out into silence even in the halls of the UN China controls the

halls of the UN China controls the

halls of the UN China controls the information

information

information um I mean it's a very small example and

um I mean it's a very small example and

um I mean it's a very small example and I'm a very small fish in this

I'm a very small fish in this

I'm a very small fish in this but every time I tweet anything the

but every time I tweet anything the

but every time I tweet anything the number of Chinese Bots that kind of come

number of Chinese Bots that kind of come

number of Chinese Bots that kind of come out of the the woodwork to say no no

out of the the woodwork to say no no

out of the the woodwork to say no no it's not true there's no there's no

it's not true there's no there's no

it's not true there's no there's no genocide and Ging it's all a myth um

genocide and Ging it's all a myth um

genocide and Ging it's all a myth um China employs useful idiots um in the

China employs useful idiots um in the

China employs useful idiots um in the global North to go around and say that

global North to go around and say that

global North to go around and say that there is no such thing there's a real

there is no such thing there's a real

there is no such thing there's a real campaign of making sure that there's

campaign of making sure that there's

campaign of making sure that there's just enough disinformation for people

just enough disinformation for people

just enough disinformation for people not to be

not to be

not to be sure doubt is their product it's kind of

sure doubt is their product it's kind of

sure doubt is their product it's kind of the tobacco industry did the same thing

the tobacco industry did the same thing

the tobacco industry did the same thing yeah have you tried to sue the UN and

yeah have you tried to sue the UN and

yeah have you tried to sue the UN and could you repeat the question back

could you repeat the question back

could you repeat the question back nobody can see the UN um the UN has

nobody can see the UN um the UN has

nobody can see the UN um the UN has diplomatic Community everyone that works

diplomatic Community everyone that works

diplomatic Community everyone that works with the UN has diplomatic immunity when

with the UN has diplomatic immunity when

with the UN has diplomatic immunity when I worked at the UN I had diplomatic

I worked at the UN I had diplomatic

I worked at the UN I had diplomatic immunity um the UN was supposed to set

immunity um the UN was supposed to set

immunity um the UN was supposed to set up a way of suing it in

up a way of suing it in

up a way of suing it in 1946 but apparently they've been very

1946 but apparently they've been very

1946 but apparently they've been very busy since and never quite got around to

busy since and never quite got around to

busy since and never quite got around to that so the only court that this can

that so the only court that this can

that so the only court that this can ever be looked at in is an internal

ever be looked at in is an internal

ever be looked at in is an internal employment Court in the UN the wakers

employment Court in the UN the wakers

employment Court in the UN the wakers whose names are handed over can't sue

whose names are handed over can't sue

whose names are handed over can't sue the UN for replacing their families in

the UN for replacing their families in

the UN for replacing their families in danger the only place that the UN can be

danger the only place that the UN can be

danger the only place that the UN can be suit on this is me taking them to court

suit on this is me taking them to court

suit on this is me taking them to court over the way they've treated me as a

over the way they've treated me as a

over the way they've treated me as a result of reporting

result of reporting

result of reporting it but what happens then is that the UN

it but what happens then is that the UN

it but what happens then is that the UN tells all the member states well look

tells all the member states well look

tells all the member states well look it's an employment

it's an employment

it's an employment issue it's not an employment issue it's

issue it's not an employment issue it's

issue it's not an employment issue it's complicity and genocide complicity and

complicity and genocide complicity and

complicity and genocide complicity and genocide is not and never will be an

genocide is not and never will be an

genocide is not and never will be an employment issue the UN can only be

employment issue the UN can only be

employment issue the UN can only be taken to its internal Court um so I did

taken to its internal Court um so I did

taken to its internal Court um so I did uh I have several court cases against

uh I have several court cases against

uh I have several court cases against them in the first court case I had

them in the first court case I had

them in the first court case I had against the UN um it was found that the

against the UN um it was found that the

against the UN um it was found that the Secretary General himself and in person

Secretary General himself and in person

Secretary General himself and in person and not the organization had

and not the organization had

and not the organization had unilaterally taken a decision not to

unilaterally taken a decision not to

unilaterally taken a decision not to apply un rules in my

apply un rules in my

apply un rules in my case the UN didn't like that judgment

case the UN didn't like that judgment

case the UN didn't like that judgment very much so they got rid of the judge

very much so they got rid of the judge

very much so they got rid of the judge he was about to rule in two other cases

he was about to rule in two other cases

he was about to rule in two other cases where he would have revealed in public

where he would have revealed in public

where he would have revealed in public the un's actual Court position which is

the un's actual Court position which is

the un's actual Court position which is names are handed to China names continue

names are handed to China names continue

names are handed to China names continue to be handed to China I am unreasonable

to be handed to China I am unreasonable

to be handed to China I am unreasonable to think that is a problem when every

to think that is a problem when every

to think that is a problem when every senior manager knows and has done

senior manager knows and has done

senior manager knows and has done nothing um they literally fired the

nothing um they literally fired the

nothing um they literally fired the judge from one day to the next he had

judge from one day to the next he had

judge from one day to the next he had written his judgments the UN had seen

written his judgments the UN had seen

written his judgments the UN had seen the content of this judgments he was

the content of this judgments he was

the content of this judgments he was told by a un staff member not to come to

told by a un staff member not to come to

told by a un staff member not to come to work the next day so rather than let the

work the next day so rather than let the

work the next day so rather than let the Justice be served and they went to the

Justice be served and they went to the

Justice be served and they went to the extent to fire the judge who was going

extent to fire the judge who was going

extent to fire the judge who was going to potentially give you the winning case

to potentially give you the winning case

to potentially give you the winning case and and change things they that that's

and and change things they that that's

and and change things they that that's that's that's doesn't happen often does

that's that's doesn't happen often does

that's that's doesn't happen often does it it's the act of a totalitarian state

it it's the act of a totalitarian state

it it's the act of a totalitarian state it does occasionally happen in countries

it does occasionally happen in countries

it does occasionally happen in countries like China um Eritrea North Korea um but

like China um Eritrea North Korea um but

like China um Eritrea North Korea um but this is in the UN that they're do this

this is in the UN that they're do this

this is in the UN that they're do this this is the UN um rule of law is

this is the UN um rule of law is

this is the UN um rule of law is something in the UN that I worked on a

something in the UN that I worked on a

something in the UN that I worked on a lot and I was advocating with member

lot and I was advocating with member

lot and I was advocating with member states to implement systems where nobody

states to implement systems where nobody

states to implement systems where nobody was above the law where judges had fixed

was above the law where judges had fixed

was above the law where judges had fixed terms um where there wasn't any

terms um where there wasn't any

terms um where there wasn't any interference etc etc none of that

interference etc etc none of that

interference etc etc none of that applies

applies

applies internally under Antonio teras the UN

internally under Antonio teras the UN

internally under Antonio teras the UN has run frankly more like a totalitarian

has run frankly more like a totalitarian

has run frankly more like a totalitarian regime than a system with the rule of

regime than a system with the rule of

regime than a system with the rule of law and I think if most people knew that

law and I think if most people knew that

law and I think if most people knew that they would be horrified but because

they would be horrified but because

they would be horrified but because there isn't any external oversight

there isn't any external oversight

there isn't any external oversight because nobody actually understands how

because nobody actually understands how

because nobody actually understands how the UN operates people just assume it

the UN operates people just assume it

the UN operates people just assume it must be doing a good job we must be the

must be doing a good job we must be the

must be doing a good job we must be the good

good

good guys could you talk about the growing

guys could you talk about the growing

guys could you talk about the growing influence that China has over different

influence that China has over different

influence that China has over different Departments of the UN and why that is

Departments of the UN and why that is

Departments of the UN and why that is potentially problematic sure um I mean I

potentially problematic sure um I mean I

potentially problematic sure um I mean I think there's always a focus on Chinese

think there's always a focus on Chinese

think there's always a focus on Chinese Nationals leading an Oran organization I

Nationals leading an Oran organization I

Nationals leading an Oran organization I think that what I reported shows that it

think that what I reported shows that it

think that what I reported shows that it isn't necessary for there to be Chinese

isn't necessary for there to be Chinese

isn't necessary for there to be Chinese Nationals it's just necessary for there

Nationals it's just necessary for there

Nationals it's just necessary for there to be influence of Chinese Communist

to be influence of Chinese Communist

to be influence of Chinese Communist Party the issue is that there's a sort

Party the issue is that there's a sort

Party the issue is that there's a sort of dual

of dual

of dual loyalty um if you know that if you

loyalty um if you know that if you

loyalty um if you know that if you displease the Chinese Communist party

displease the Chinese Communist party

displease the Chinese Communist party you or your family could be

you or your family could be

you or your family could be arrested then you may not be entirely

arrested then you may not be entirely

arrested then you may not be entirely loyal to the principles of the United

loyal to the principles of the United

loyal to the principles of the United Nations you're meant to be

Nations you're meant to be

Nations you're meant to be upholding and I think that any Chinese

upholding and I think that any Chinese

upholding and I think that any Chinese official that is ahead of un

official that is ahead of un

official that is ahead of un organization must have the constant fear

organization must have the constant fear

organization must have the constant fear that if they don't do as the Chinese

that if they don't do as the Chinese

that if they don't do as the Chinese Communist Party tells them they could

Communist Party tells them they could

Communist Party tells them they could face the same fate as the former head of

face the same fate as the former head of

face the same fate as the former head of Interpol um he was on a trip to China in

Interpol um he was on a trip to China in

Interpol um he was on a trip to China in 2018 and was effectively kidnapped the

2018 and was effectively kidnapped the

2018 and was effectively kidnapped the last message he sent to his wife was an

last message he sent to his wife was an

last message he sent to his wife was an emoticon of a

emoticon of a

emoticon of a knife and she hasn't heard from him

knife and she hasn't heard from him

knife and she hasn't heard from him since and he now languishes in a Chinese

since and he now languishes in a Chinese

since and he now languishes in a Chinese prison and the member states that

prison and the member states that

prison and the member states that elected him to that post have basically

elected him to that post have basically

elected him to that post have basically done nothing about it so the message is

done nothing about it so the message is

done nothing about it so the message is clear if you're a Chinese head of a un

clear if you're a Chinese head of a un

clear if you're a Chinese head of a un organization you'd better do what the

organization you'd better do what the

organization you'd better do what the Chinese Communist party wants or you

Chinese Communist party wants or you

Chinese Communist party wants or you will pay the price do you have anything

will pay the price do you have anything

will pay the price do you have anything to say about covid and its outbreak and

to say about covid and its outbreak and

to say about covid and its outbreak and the investigation by The Who and China's

the investigation by The Who and China's

the investigation by The Who and China's willingness to cooperate on

willingness to cooperate on

willingness to cooperate on that um

that um

that um yeah I mean the the who like most UN

yeah I mean the the who like most UN

yeah I mean the the who like most UN agencies is quite beholden to China um

agencies is quite beholden to China um

agencies is quite beholden to China um China sends regular uh notel saying

China sends regular uh notel saying

China sends regular uh notel saying whether or not Taiwan will get to

whether or not Taiwan will get to

whether or not Taiwan will get to participate this time um warning other

participate this time um warning other

participate this time um warning other un agencies not to engage with any

un agencies not to engage with any

un agencies not to engage with any Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was

Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was

Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was excluded from The Who on the

excluded from The Who on the

excluded from The Who on the instructions of China which certainly

instructions of China which certainly

instructions of China which certainly legally doesn't seem something China

legally doesn't seem something China

legally doesn't seem something China excuse me have the right to do the wh

excuse me have the right to do the wh

excuse me have the right to do the wh considered taiwan's

membership

membership

membership hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I

hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I

hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I couldn't hear your question all okay

couldn't hear your question all okay

couldn't hear your question all okay yeah let me let me let me repeat the

yeah let me let me let me repeat the

yeah let me let me let me repeat the question no that's okay let's move to

question no that's okay let's move to

question no that's okay let's move to another one then right because because

another one then right because because

another one then right because because I'm I'm actually curious on talking

I'm I'm actually curious on talking

I'm I'm actually curious on talking about Taiwan as well on taiwan's case

what happened with the Corona virus

what happened with the Corona virus

what happened with the Corona virus outbreak and the investigation that the

outbreak and the investigation that the

outbreak and the investigation that the wh LED were they uh the who led

wh LED were they uh the who led

wh LED were they uh the who led investigation was completely biased from

investigation was completely biased from

investigation was completely biased from the outset um the people leading the

the outset um the people leading the

the outset um the people leading the investigation appointed by the wh had

investigation appointed by the wh had

investigation appointed by the wh had very close relationships with the

very close relationships with the

very close relationships with the laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was

laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was

laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was one of the potential sources um of the

one of the potential sources um of the

one of the potential sources um of the virus um

virus um

virus um they certainly didn't do I think even

they certainly didn't do I think even

they certainly didn't do I think even the head of the who has now admitted

the head of the who has now admitted

the head of the who has now admitted that they did not look closely enough at

that they did not look closely enough at

that they did not look closely enough at the potential of a lab

the potential of a lab

the potential of a lab outbreak um and effectively were too

outbreak um and effectively were too

outbreak um and effectively were too willing to accept constraints from the

willing to accept constraints from the

willing to accept constraints from the Chinese Authorities on what they

Chinese Authorities on what they

Chinese Authorities on what they shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not

shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not

shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not out of the question then that there

out of the question then that there

out of the question then that there could be a cover

could be a cover

could be a cover up with when with the coronavirus

up with when with the coronavirus

up with when with the coronavirus outbreak which the UN who was part of it

outbreak which the UN who was part of it

outbreak which the UN who was part of it certainly isn't out of the question and

certainly isn't out of the question and

certainly isn't out of the question and um I have been contacted by someone who

um I have been contacted by someone who

um I have been contacted by someone who is currently authoring a report about

is currently authoring a report about

is currently authoring a report about covid for another UN agency who is

covid for another UN agency who is

covid for another UN agency who is seeking advice on how to blow the

seeking advice on how to blow the

seeking advice on how to blow the whistle which I think speaks for itself

whistle which I think speaks for itself

whistle which I think speaks for itself so you are connected to someone who

so you are connected to someone who

so you are connected to someone who could blow the whistle on an expose

could blow the whistle on an expose

could blow the whistle on an expose regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and

regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and

regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and China's involvement and and the who's

China's involvement and and the who's

China's involvement and and the who's involvement it's a different agency okay

involvement it's a different agency okay

involvement it's a different agency okay a different UN agency which could be

a different UN agency which could be

a different UN agency which could be involved with China and covering

involved with China and covering

involved with China and covering up certainly um Chinese edits are being

up certainly um Chinese edits are being

up certainly um Chinese edits are being accepted on a

accepted on a

accepted on a report regarding the Corona virus is

report regarding the Corona virus is

report regarding the Corona virus is there any more you can share about this

there any more you can share about this

there any more you can share about this currently no but um I have suggested

currently no but um I have suggested

currently no but um I have suggested that the man like like to be in touch

that the man like like to be in touch

that the man like like to be in touch with

with

with you I'll tell that to when you first um

you I'll tell that to when you first um

you I'll tell that to when you first um were about to work for the UN or as you

were about to work for the UN or as you

were about to work for the UN or as you were starting to work for the UN did you

were starting to work for the UN did you

were starting to work for the UN did you at the time believe that it was um a

at the time believe that it was um a

at the time believe that it was um a great organization that wasn't corrupt

great organization that wasn't corrupt

great organization that wasn't corrupt in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what

in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what

in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what you believed yeah when I first started

you believed yeah when I first started

you believed yeah when I first started working for the United Nations I thought

working for the United Nations I thought

working for the United Nations I thought that most of my colleagues would be like

that most of my colleagues would be like

that most of my colleagues would be like me um would be there because they wanted

me um would be there because they wanted

me um would be there because they wanted to affect fundamental change in the

to affect fundamental change in the

to affect fundamental change in the world because they believed

world because they believed

world because they believed fundamentally in human rights and yeah

fundamentally in human rights and yeah

fundamentally in human rights and yeah that you know I was working for the

that you know I was working for the

that you know I was working for the office of the UN High Commissioner for

office of the UN High Commissioner for

office of the UN High Commissioner for human rights I thought that we would all

human rights I thought that we would all

human rights I thought that we would all be on the same

be on the same

be on the same page was that not the reality no um very

page was that not the reality no um very

page was that not the reality no um very early it became clear that it was a lot

early it became clear that it was a lot

early it became clear that it was a lot more political um obviously i' expected

more political um obviously i' expected

more political um obviously i' expected some politics but the idea is that human

some politics but the idea is that human

some politics but the idea is that human rights laws are supposed to be kind of

rights laws are supposed to be kind of

rights laws are supposed to be kind of the be all and end all the you you can't

the be all and end all the you you can't

the be all and end all the you you can't breach those they the ultimate source of

breach those they the ultimate source of

breach those they the ultimate source of international law um there aren't

international law um there aren't

international law um there aren't circumstances in which it suddenly

circumstances in which it suddenly

circumstances in which it suddenly becomes a to torture someone um and what

becomes a to torture someone um and what

becomes a to torture someone um and what I was seeing was a lot of compromise

I was seeing was a lot of compromise

I was seeing was a lot of compromise happening about and it started with

happening about and it started with

happening about and it started with things like the contents of reports

things like the contents of reports

things like the contents of reports would be changed because particular

would be changed because particular

would be changed because particular state was

state was

state was upset um

upset um

upset um and then I realized that it was actually

and then I realized that it was actually

and then I realized that it was actually much worse than that um there's a

much worse than that um there's a

much worse than that um there's a fundamental part of the UN Charter that

fundamental part of the UN Charter that

fundamental part of the UN Charter that says that if you work for the UN you

says that if you work for the UN you

says that if you work for the UN you effectively forget everything else that

effectively forget everything else that

effectively forget everything else that your entire loyalty is to the Charter um

your entire loyalty is to the Charter um

your entire loyalty is to the Charter um so you don't think about kind of what

so you don't think about kind of what

so you don't think about kind of what your nationality is or what other

your nationality is or what other

your nationality is or what other governments might want you to do that

governments might want you to do that

governments might want you to do that you just work to implement the UN

you just work to implement the UN

you just work to implement the UN Charter um and it was very clear that

Charter um and it was very clear that

Charter um and it was very clear that very few colleagues were actually doing

very few colleagues were actually doing

very few colleagues were actually doing that and it was much more about pleasing

that and it was much more about pleasing

that and it was much more about pleasing specific powerful member states in order

specific powerful member states in order

specific powerful member states in order to advance one's own career I think I

to advance one's own career I think I

to advance one's own career I think I realized everything wasn't as it seemed

realized everything wasn't as it seemed

realized everything wasn't as it seemed relatively early on um one of my other

relatively early on um one of my other

relatively early on um one of my other rules in the UN was actually to work to

rules in the UN was actually to work to

rules in the UN was actually to work to the sort of backend of recruitment

the sort of backend of recruitment

the sort of backend of recruitment and I basically realized that every

and I basically realized that every

and I basically realized that every single post was sewn up in advance and

single post was sewn up in advance and

single post was sewn up in advance and that these deals were being done between

that these deals were being done between

that these deals were being done between people you know there's a rule in the UN

people you know there's a rule in the UN

people you know there's a rule in the UN that you can't hire your own children so

that you can't hire your own children so

that you can't hire your own children so what they did was they hir other

what they did was they hir other

what they did was they hir other people's kids and did these kind of

people's kids and did these kind of

people's kids and did these kind of diagonals um so you know my boss hired

diagonals um so you know my boss hired

diagonals um so you know my boss hired the daughter of the head of the

the daughter of the head of the

the daughter of the head of the international labor organization and he

international labor organization and he

international labor organization and he hired his daughter and it was just that

hired his daughter and it was just that

hired his daughter and it was just that kind of level of nepotism the question

kind of level of nepotism the question

kind of level of nepotism the question that you get asked when you joined the

that you get asked when you joined the

that you get asked when you joined the UN is kind of where did you work and who

UN is kind of where did you work and who

UN is kind of where did you work and who got you your job basically and I was one

got you your job basically and I was one

got you your job basically and I was one of a very few that had genuinely just

of a very few that had genuinely just

of a very few that had genuinely just applied online when the job announcement

applied online when the job announcement

applied online when the job announcement came out and got it how uh I later found

came out and got it how uh I later found

came out and got it how uh I later found out what had happened was that even for

out what had happened was that even for

out what had happened was that even for the UN the

the UN the

the UN the attempted sort of recruitment on that on

attempted sort of recruitment on that on

attempted sort of recruitment on that on that post was so bad that the High

that post was so bad that the High

that post was so bad that the High Commissioner had intervened So what had

Commissioner had intervened So what had

Commissioner had intervened So what had happened is that my boss Eric titin had

happened is that my boss Eric titin had

happened is that my boss Eric titin had put up up a single name so there are

put up up a single name so there are

put up up a single name so there are 30,000 applicants for this post and he

30,000 applicants for this post and he

30,000 applicants for this post and he says there is one qualified applicant

says there is one qualified applicant

says there is one qualified applicant and sends up that name to the High

and sends up that name to the High

and sends up that name to the High Commissioner and she sent it back down

Commissioner and she sent it back down

Commissioner and she sent it back down and said

and said

and said please um you know at least interview a

please um you know at least interview a

please um you know at least interview a few people off the roster so as said I

few people off the roster so as said I

few people off the roster so as said I was on that roster and they interviewed

was on that roster and they interviewed

was on that roster and they interviewed eight people off the roster and then

eight people off the roster and then

eight people off the roster and then they put his name first of course and me

they put his name first of course and me

they put his name first of course and me as a second choice she then reversed the

as a second choice she then reversed the

as a second choice she then reversed the order so it was a complete accident from

order so it was a complete accident from

order so it was a complete accident from the un's perspective that I ended up

the un's perspective that I ended up

the un's perspective that I ended up employed there but

employed there but

employed there but I think that's actually a story that's

I think that's actually a story that's

I think that's actually a story that's quite common to whistleblowers the

quite common to whistleblowers the

quite common to whistleblowers the people who end up entering the UN whose

people who end up entering the UN whose

people who end up entering the UN whose loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and

loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and

loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and not to whoever got their job tend to be

not to whoever got their job tend to be

not to whoever got their job tend to be the ones that report the corruption in

the ones that report the corruption in

the ones that report the corruption in the perhaps slightly naive belief that

the perhaps slightly naive belief that

the perhaps slightly naive belief that member states might care so basically

member states might care so basically

member states might care so basically you know we are the unicorns we are the

you know we are the unicorns we are the

you know we are the unicorns we are the ones that didn't know anybody got our

ones that didn't know anybody got our

ones that didn't know anybody got our jobs just by applying and we're the ones

jobs just by applying and we're the ones

jobs just by applying and we're the ones that blow the whistle we're the ones

that blow the whistle we're the ones

that blow the whistle we're the ones that go external and say something is

that go external and say something is

that go external and say something is very very wrong because there is

very very wrong because there is

very very wrong because there is this incredible motivation for people

this incredible motivation for people

this incredible motivation for people who are in the UN to keep that job it is

who are in the UN to keep that job it is

who are in the UN to keep that job it is very well-paying uh free private

very well-paying uh free private

very well-paying uh free private education for your children up to the

education for your children up to the

education for your children up to the age of 25 free medical insurance private

age of 25 free medical insurance private

age of 25 free medical insurance private anywhere in the world at any time it is

anywhere in the world at any time it is

anywhere in the world at any time it is ridiculously

ridiculously

ridiculously lucrative um you don't pay tax you have

lucrative um you don't pay tax you have

lucrative um you don't pay tax you have diplomatic

diplomatic

diplomatic immunity um it's a very cushy game big

immunity um it's a very cushy game big

immunity um it's a very cushy game big the UN especially at highest levels the

the UN especially at highest levels the

the UN especially at highest levels the wages are ridiculous they're higher than

wages are ridiculous they're higher than

wages are ridiculous they're higher than most sort of prime ministers earn in the

most sort of prime ministers earn in the

most sort of prime ministers earn in the world and people want to get their

world and people want to get their

world and people want to get their friends in so they design jobs so that

friends in so they design jobs so that

friends in so they design jobs so that they can hire their friends jobs are

they can hire their friends jobs are

they can hire their friends jobs are regularly Rewritten so that the

regularly Rewritten so that the

regularly Rewritten so that the girlfriend whoever is writing the job

girlfriend whoever is writing the job

girlfriend whoever is writing the job can get it um it is just a level of

can get it um it is just a level of

can get it um it is just a level of corruption that is

corruption that is

corruption that is unbelievable and it's just accepted at

unbelievable and it's just accepted at

unbelievable and it's just accepted at the highest

the highest

the highest levels um when I reported it I mean I I

levels um when I reported it I mean I I

levels um when I reported it I mean I I went to the head of human resources and

went to the head of human resources and

went to the head of human resources and said hey you know because I assumed it

said hey you know because I assumed it

said hey you know because I assumed it was just in my department and I was like

was just in my department and I was like

was just in my department and I was like well in a Human Rights Council Branch

well in a Human Rights Council Branch

well in a Human Rights Council Branch every single job is sewn up in advance

every single job is sewn up in advance

every single job is sewn up in advance like literally they're telling us who's

like literally they're telling us who's

like literally they're telling us who's getting the job at the end of it all

getting the job at the end of it all

getting the job at the end of it all these people applying all these people

these people applying all these people

these people applying all these people going through interviews for nothing and

going through interviews for nothing and

going through interviews for nothing and I was basically told that because I

I was basically told that because I

I was basically told that because I wasn't an applicant for the job I had no

wasn't an applicant for the job I had no

wasn't an applicant for the job I had no legal standing to complain about it and

legal standing to complain about it and

legal standing to complain about it and therefore Human Resources didn't care

therefore Human Resources didn't care

therefore Human Resources didn't care the UN ethics office is supposed to

the UN ethics office is supposed to

the UN ethics office is supposed to protect whistleblowers so at the moment

protect whistleblowers so at the moment

protect whistleblowers so at the moment when I was declared to be a

when I was declared to be a

when I was declared to be a whistleblower in July 2020 they were

whistleblower in July 2020 they were

whistleblower in July 2020 they were meant to take action to protect me it

meant to take action to protect me it

meant to take action to protect me it was meant to be an investigation people

was meant to be an investigation people

was meant to be an investigation people were meant to be held responsible none

were meant to be held responsible none

were meant to be held responsible none of that happened instead the UN

of that happened instead the UN

of that happened instead the UN investigated me for whistleblowing and

investigated me for whistleblowing and

investigated me for whistleblowing and fired me for whistle blowing firing

fired me for whistle blowing firing

fired me for whistle blowing firing someone is the ultimate Act of

someone is the ultimate Act of

someone is the ultimate Act of retaliation in an employment

retaliation in an employment

retaliation in an employment relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics

relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics

relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics office and asked them to fulfill their

office and asked them to fulfill their

office and asked them to fulfill their mandate and protect me as a wh l and

mandate and protect me as a wh l and

mandate and protect me as a wh l and they wrote back and said that they don't

they wrote back and said that they don't

they wrote back and said that they don't deal with members of the public so all

deal with members of the public so all

deal with members of the public so all you have to do in the UN if you want to

you have to do in the UN if you want to

you have to do in the UN if you want to retaliate against whistleblower is fire

retaliate against whistleblower is fire

retaliate against whistleblower is fire them

them

them immediately the reason for the culture

immediately the reason for the culture

immediately the reason for the culture of Silence the UN is twofold first of

of Silence the UN is twofold first of

of Silence the UN is twofold first of all There's an actual rule

all There's an actual rule

all There's an actual rule um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian

um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian

um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian but there is a rule in the UN that you

but there is a rule in the UN that you

but there is a rule in the UN that you are not allowed to say anything public

are not allowed to say anything public

are not allowed to say anything public that could make the UN look bad doesn't

that could make the UN look bad doesn't

that could make the UN look bad doesn't matter if what you're saying is true you

matter if what you're saying is true you

matter if what you're saying is true you just shouldn't mention anything could

just shouldn't mention anything could

just shouldn't mention anything could make the UN look bad

make the UN look bad

make the UN look bad and you can be fired if you break that

and you can be fired if you break that

and you can be fired if you break that rule um the second reason is something

rule um the second reason is something

rule um the second reason is something called the no principle and that's the

called the no principle and that's the

called the no principle and that's the idea that the UN should be the most

idea that the UN should be the most

idea that the UN should be the most attractive civil service to work for so

attractive civil service to work for so

attractive civil service to work for so we're paid like the Americans we have

we're paid like the Americans we have

we're paid like the Americans we have the Social Services of the

the Social Services of the

the Social Services of the Swedish every Advantage is there free

Swedish every Advantage is there free

Swedish every Advantage is there free private education for your children

private education for your children

private education for your children until they reach the age of 25 anywhere

until they reach the age of 25 anywhere

until they reach the age of 25 anywhere in the

in the

in the world um flights back home every few

world um flights back home every few

world um flights back home every few years uh if you're working somewhere

years uh if you're working somewhere

years uh if you're working somewhere even vaguely dangerous you get sort of

even vaguely dangerous you get sort of

even vaguely dangerous you get sort of rest and recuperation days um the

rest and recuperation days um the

rest and recuperation days um the salaries are crazy um and nobody's

salaries are crazy um and nobody's

salaries are crazy um and nobody's actually expecting you to do much work

actually expecting you to do much work

actually expecting you to do much work for that salary in fact doing work is

for that salary in fact doing work is

for that salary in fact doing work is actively kind of discouraged in some

actively kind of discouraged in some

actively kind of discouraged in some areas you know certainly they didn't

areas you know certainly they didn't

areas you know certainly they didn't want me to be trying to protect the

want me to be trying to protect the

want me to be trying to protect the human rights of the NGS participating in

human rights of the NGS participating in

human rights of the NGS participating in the council much rather that I just went

the council much rather that I just went

the council much rather that I just went along with the paper P paper pushing so

along with the paper P paper pushing so

along with the paper P paper pushing so the people that are meant to be in

the people that are meant to be in

the people that are meant to be in charge of essentially human rights for

charge of essentially human rights for

charge of essentially human rights for the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about

the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about

the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about human rights yeah it's just a kushy job

human rights yeah it's just a kushy job

human rights yeah it's just a kushy job that the relative that they're part of

that the relative that they're part of

that the relative that they're part of some uh I don't know aristocratic family

some uh I don't know aristocratic family

some uh I don't know aristocratic family got them into a lot of the time yeah um

got them into a lot of the time yeah um

got them into a lot of the time yeah um I mean a lot is made of the sort of

I mean a lot is made of the sort of

I mean a lot is made of the sort of geographic balance within the office of

geographic balance within the office of

geographic balance within the office of the high commission for human rights but

the high commission for human rights but

the high commission for human rights but I mean how diverse is a system where

I mean how diverse is a system where

I mean how diverse is a system where almost everyone is the child of an

almost everyone is the child of an

almost everyone is the child of an Ambassador um you know is that really

Ambassador um you know is that really

Ambassador um you know is that really the diversity that we're looking for

the diversity that we're looking for

the diversity that we're looking for most people have this really positive

most people have this really positive

most people have this really positive view of the United Nations I mean you

view of the United Nations I mean you

view of the United Nations I mean you know Antonio guaris is effectively some

know Antonio guaris is effectively some

know Antonio guaris is effectively some kind of secular Pope um we're you know

kind of secular Pope um we're you know

kind of secular Pope um we're you know we're the good guys my title was UN

we're the good guys my title was UN

we're the good guys my title was UN Human Rights officer and I think even

Human Rights officer and I think even

Human Rights officer and I think even within the UN a lot of people kind of

within the UN a lot of people kind of

within the UN a lot of people kind of assume that because they're doing it

assume that because they're doing it

assume that because they're doing it it's there for the right thing just

it's there for the right thing just

it's there for the right thing just because they have that title and the way

because they have that title and the way

because they have that title and the way people view them

people view them

people view them but I mean the reality on the ground of

but I mean the reality on the ground of

but I mean the reality on the ground of un missions is that there's a lot of

un missions is that there's a lot of

un missions is that there's a lot of conflict with local populations so

conflict with local populations so

conflict with local populations so you've got these populations that are

you've got these populations that are

you've got these populations that are supposed to be the beneficiaries of all

supposed to be the beneficiaries of all

supposed to be the beneficiaries of all of this wonderful un action who are

of this wonderful un action who are

of this wonderful un action who are objecting to the way that is been

objecting to the way that is been

objecting to the way that is been carried out within the UN child sex

carried out within the UN child sex

carried out within the UN child sex abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing business instead of setting up systems

business instead of setting up systems

business instead of setting up systems to actually stop the abuse we now have

to actually stop the abuse we now have

to actually stop the abuse we now have this victims commissioner that's there

this victims commissioner that's there

this victims commissioner that's there to kind of effectively provide some form

to kind of effectively provide some form

to kind of effectively provide some form of compens compensation to victims of

of compens compensation to victims of

of compens compensation to victims of sexual exploitation and abuse by un

sexual exploitation and abuse by un

sexual exploitation and abuse by un civilian forces civilian staff or un

civilian forces civilian staff or un

civilian forces civilian staff or un peacekeepers and it's things like you

peacekeepers and it's things like you

peacekeepers and it's things like you know we're sorry our staff raped you but

know we're sorry our staff raped you but

know we're sorry our staff raped you but have a sewing

have a sewing

have a sewing machine and we'll train you to use this

machine and we'll train you to use this

machine and we'll train you to use this in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited

in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited

in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited diplomatic immunity to never be held

diplomatic immunity to never be held

diplomatic immunity to never be held responsible for that diplomatic

responsible for that diplomatic

responsible for that diplomatic Community is cited in cases of child sex

Community is cited in cases of child sex

Community is cited in cases of child sex abuse people are not arrested by local

abuse people are not arrested by local

abuse people are not arrested by local authorities the UN does these kind of

authorities the UN does these kind of

authorities the UN does these kind of internal investigations which are

internal investigations which are

internal investigations which are designed to be

designed to be

designed to be ineffective I mean there was a big

ineffective I mean there was a big

ineffective I mean there was a big Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse

Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse

Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse in Central African Republic the

in Central African Republic the

in Central African Republic the investigators that they sent in took DNA

investigators that they sent in took DNA

investigators that they sent in took DNA samples to prove that children had been

samples to prove that children had been

samples to prove that children had been faed by peacekeepers they then stored

faed by peacekeepers they then stored

faed by peacekeepers they then stored those DNA samples in metal filing

those DNA samples in metal filing

those DNA samples in metal filing cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms

cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms

cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms for 6

for 6

for 6 months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even

months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even

months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even I can tell you that there's nothing

I can tell you that there's nothing

I can tell you that there's nothing that's going to survive that there's

that's going to survive that there's

that's going to survive that there's going to be no usable DNA they lost

going to be no usable DNA they lost

going to be no usable DNA they lost track of the kids every time the UN says

track of the kids every time the UN says

track of the kids every time the UN says we can't find any of these victims of

we can't find any of these victims of

we can't find any of these victims of abuse two journalists go in and can find

abuse two journalists go in and can find

abuse two journalists go in and can find you 50 in a

you 50 in a

you 50 in a day there's no effort to find the

day there's no effort to find the

day there's no effort to find the victims of the un's abuses and it's in

victims of the un's abuses and it's in

victims of the un's abuses and it's in everyone's interest to close their eyes

everyone's interest to close their eyes

everyone's interest to close their eyes prostitution increases every time

prostitution increases every time

prostitution increases every time there's a un Mission nearby

there's a un Mission nearby

there's a un Mission nearby um survival prostitution is not

um survival prostitution is not

um survival prostitution is not something you should be encouraging and

something you should be encouraging and

something you should be encouraging and yet there it

yet there it

yet there it is

is

is um

um

um it's yeah there's huge amounts of

it's yeah there's huge amounts of

it's yeah there's huge amounts of coverups when anything goes wrong

coverups when anything goes wrong

coverups when anything goes wrong because you're dealing a lot of the time

because you're dealing a lot of the time

because you're dealing a lot of the time with areas where the UN are really the

with areas where the UN are really the

with areas where the UN are really the only ones on the ground so a lot of

only ones on the ground so a lot of

only ones on the ground so a lot of times even National embassies aren't

times even National embassies aren't

times even National embassies aren't there but the UN still is so there's not

there but the UN still is so there's not

there but the UN still is so there's not really anyone looking and seeing what's

really anyone looking and seeing what's

really anyone looking and seeing what's happening um for a multi-billion dollar

happening um for a multi-billion dollar

happening um for a multi-billion dollar organization you don't have any external

organization you don't have any external

organization you don't have any external oversight at

oversight at

oversight at all um everything relies on the UN

all um everything relies on the UN

all um everything relies on the UN self-reporting

self-reporting

self-reporting and member states only really get true

and member states only really get true

and member states only really get true information when a whistleblower comes

information when a whistleblower comes

information when a whistleblower comes forward but every whistleblower who

forward but every whistleblower who

forward but every whistleblower who comes forward knows they are going to be

comes forward knows they are going to be

comes forward knows they are going to be fired and again it's a cushy number a

fired and again it's a cushy number a

fired and again it's a cushy number a lot of people choose not to

lot of people choose not to

lot of people choose not to know and it's very easy within the UN to

know and it's very easy within the UN to

know and it's very easy within the UN to decide that you're not going to see

decide that you're not going to see

decide that you're not going to see things another whistle in the office of

things another whistle in the office of

things another whistle in the office of the commission for Human Rights was a

the commission for Human Rights was a

the commission for Human Rights was a man called Andrew compus who was the

man called Andrew compus who was the

man called Andrew compus who was the head of the department basically dealing

head of the department basically dealing

head of the department basically dealing with member states and field offices and

with member states and field offices and

with member states and field offices and he became aware that French peacekeepers

he became aware that French peacekeepers

he became aware that French peacekeepers were abusing children in Central African

were abusing children in Central African

were abusing children in Central African Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years old were being forced to give blow jobs

old were being forced to give blow jobs

old were being forced to give blow jobs in exchange for food that is Despicable

in exchange for food that is Despicable

in exchange for food that is Despicable that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is supposed to be

supposed to be

supposed to be doing he was disgusted

doing he was disgusted

doing he was disgusted so he did exactly what you should do a

so he did exactly what you should do a

so he did exactly what you should do a crime is being committed by French

crime is being committed by French

crime is being committed by French peacekeepers so he told the French

peacekeepers so he told the French

peacekeepers so he told the French because they have jurisdiction to charge

because they have jurisdiction to charge

because they have jurisdiction to charge those peacekeepers he gave them the

those peacekeepers he gave them the

those peacekeepers he gave them the names of the children and the names of

names of the children and the names of

names of the children and the names of the individuals who were abusing the

the individuals who were abusing the

the individuals who were abusing the children so that they could take

children so that they could take

children so that they could take criminal action against those

criminal action against those

criminal action against those people and he was suspended for

people and he was suspended for

people and he was suspended for that he was marched out of his office by

that he was marched out of his office by

that he was marched out of his office by un

un

un security um he was treated like a par

security um he was treated like a par

security um he was treated like a par and it was another whistleblower a woman

and it was another whistleblower a woman

and it was another whistleblower a woman called Miranda Brown who blew the

called Miranda Brown who blew the

called Miranda Brown who blew the whistle on how he was being treated that

whistle on how he was being treated that

whistle on how he was being treated that eventually managed to force

eventually managed to force

eventually managed to force investigation of his treatment and that

investigation of his treatment and that

investigation of his treatment and that investigation found that the former High

investigation found that the former High

investigation found that the former High Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid

Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid

Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid who led retaliation against me had gone

who led retaliation against me had gone

who led retaliation against me had gone against Andrew's compass with a

against Andrew's compass with a

against Andrew's compass with a single-minded determination that his

single-minded determination that his

single-minded determination that his only concern had been to shut up The

only concern had been to shut up The

only concern had been to shut up The Whistleblower not to protect the

Whistleblower not to protect the

Whistleblower not to protect the children and years later 2 years after

children and years later 2 years after

children and years later 2 years after he was completely Vindicated but had

he was completely Vindicated but had

he was completely Vindicated but had still resigned from the UN because of

still resigned from the UN because of

still resigned from the UN because of course the UN never

course the UN never

course the UN never apologized a journalist contacted the UN

apologized a journalist contacted the UN

apologized a journalist contacted the UN and the response of rert kville the same

and the response of rert kville the same

and the response of rert kville the same spokesperson who regularly abuses me to

spokesperson who regularly abuses me to

spokesperson who regularly abuses me to the Press was that Andrew Compass was

the Press was that Andrew Compass was

the Press was that Andrew Compass was the shittiest person he had ever worked

the shittiest person he had ever worked

the shittiest person he had ever worked with he was D duplicitous despicable in

with he was D duplicitous despicable in

with he was D duplicitous despicable in bed with the

bed with the

bed with the French that's how the UN discusses

French that's how the UN discusses

French that's how the UN discusses whistleblowers and for journalists who

whistleblowers and for journalists who

whistleblowers and for journalists who get that kind of statement from an

get that kind of statement from an

get that kind of statement from an organization that's meant to be

organization that's meant to be

organization that's meant to be diplomatic they assume something's there

diplomatic they assume something's there

diplomatic they assume something's there and their lawyers won't touch the story

and their lawyers won't touch the story

and their lawyers won't touch the story everyone that's been involved in these

everyone that's been involved in these

everyone that's been involved in these coverups whether of child sex abuse

coverups whether of child sex abuse

coverups whether of child sex abuse without exception has been promoted

without exception has been promoted

without exception has been promoted everyone that has reported it that has

everyone that has reported it that has

everyone that has reported it that has tried to stop it has been fired or has

tried to stop it has been fired or has

tried to stop it has been fired or has resigned do you know anyone who's

resigned do you know anyone who's

resigned do you know anyone who's currently at the UN who is involved with

currently at the UN who is involved with

currently at the UN who is involved with child sex abuse yes I think most people

child sex abuse yes I think most people

child sex abuse yes I think most people that work at the UN

that work at the UN

that work at the UN do in my

do in my

do in my Cas an assistant Secretary General which

Cas an assistant Secretary General which

Cas an assistant Secretary General which is like the way the UN works is there's

is like the way the UN works is there's

is like the way the UN works is there's a Secretary General who's an individual

a Secretary General who's an individual

a Secretary General who's an individual the deputy secetary General who's an

the deputy secetary General who's an

the deputy secetary General who's an individual then you have um under

individual then you have um under

individual then you have um under Secretary General then assistant

Secretary General then assistant

Secretary General then assistant Secretary General so fourth highest Post

Secretary General so fourth highest Post

Secretary General so fourth highest Post in the

in the

in the UN he told me that he is aware of people

UN he told me that he is aware of people

UN he told me that he is aware of people working under him who are sexually

working under him who are sexually

working under him who are sexually abusing

abusing

abusing children he would not give me enough

children he would not give me enough

children he would not give me enough information to enable me to properly

information to enable me to properly

information to enable me to properly report that I did report that he had

report that I did report that he had

report that I did report that he had told me told me that um but no action

told me told me that um but no action

told me told me that um but no action was taken and he said specifically that

was taken and he said specifically that

was taken and he said specifically that because he has seen how I have been

because he has seen how I have been

because he has seen how I have been treated for doing the right thing and

treated for doing the right thing and

treated for doing the right thing and Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to

Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to

Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to he's the fourth highest person at the

he's the fourth highest person at the

he's the fourth highest person at the fourth highest level in the entire

fourth highest level in the entire

fourth highest level in the entire organization I'm one level up from the

organization I'm one level up from the

organization I'm one level up from the bottom and the way I've been treated

bottom and the way I've been treated

bottom and the way I've been treated terrifies him to that

terrifies him to that

terrifies him to that degree I

degree I

degree I mean first of all the UN maybe needs to

mean first of all the UN maybe needs to

mean first of all the UN maybe needs to start looking for staff with a bit more

start looking for staff with a bit more

start looking for staff with a bit more of a moral backbone but it just shows

of a moral backbone but it just shows

of a moral backbone but it just shows the degree to

the degree to

the degree to which the problem is the person who

which the problem is the person who

which the problem is the person who speaks

speaks

speaks up

up

up and the reported cases of abuse by un

and the reported cases of abuse by un

and the reported cases of abuse by un peacekeepers are the tip of the

peacekeepers are the tip of the

peacekeepers are the tip of the iceberg

iceberg

iceberg it's I mean there's no accountability

it's I mean there's no accountability

it's I mean there's no accountability everyone has diplomatic immunity

everyone has diplomatic immunity

everyone has diplomatic immunity nobody's held responsible for anything

nobody's held responsible for anything

nobody's held responsible for anything and there's a culture of looking the

and there's a culture of looking the

and there's a culture of looking the other way and not wanting to know

other way and not wanting to know

other way and not wanting to know because if you knew you could be held

because if you knew you could be held

because if you knew you could be held responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the

responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the

responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the fan this assistant Secretary General mhm

fan this assistant Secretary General mhm

fan this assistant Secretary General mhm is not speaking out about someone he

is not speaking out about someone he

is not speaking out about someone he knows who is raping multiple children

knows who is raping multiple children

knows who is raping multiple children yeah because he's worried he's going to

yeah because he's worried he's going to

yeah because he's worried he's going to lose his job yeah what's his

name for