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do you know anyone who's currently at

do you know anyone who's currently at
the UN who is involved with child sex

the UN who is involved with child sex

the UN who is involved with child sex
abuse yes I think most people that work

abuse yes I think most people that work

abuse yes I think most people that work
at the UN do within the UN child sex

at the UN do within the UN child sex

at the UN do within the UN child sex
abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing
business French peacekeepers were

business French peacekeepers were

business French peacekeepers were
abusing children in the Central African

abusing children in the Central African

abusing children in the Central African
Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years
old were being forced to give jobs in

old were being forced to give jobs in

old were being forced to give jobs in
exchange for food that is Despicable

exchange for food that is Despicable

exchange for food that is Despicable
that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is
supposed to be doing everyone that's

supposed to be doing everyone that's

supposed to be doing everyone that's
been involved in these coverups whether

been involved in these coverups whether

been involved in these coverups whether
of child sex abuse without exception has

of child sex abuse without exception has

of child sex abuse without exception has
been promoted everyone that has reported

been promoted everyone that has reported

been promoted everyone that has reported
it that has tried to stop it has been

it that has tried to stop it has been

it that has tried to stop it has been
fired or has resigned so basically I

fired or has resigned so basically I

fired or has resigned so basically I
told my boss well if you hand this name

told my boss well if you hand this name

told my boss well if you hand this name
to China her children will be tortured

to China her children will be tortured

to China her children will be tortured
he handed the name to China several

he handed the name to China several

he handed the name to China several
months later amesty International issued

months later amesty International issued

months later amesty International issued
an urgent action regarding the torture

an urgent action regarding the torture

an urgent action regarding the torture
of her children the UN has spent more

of her children the UN has spent more

of her children the UN has spent more
than $3 million us on silencing me

than $3 million us on silencing me

than $3 million us on silencing me
people leading the investigation

people leading the investigation

people leading the investigation
appointed by The Who had very close

appointed by The Who had very close

appointed by The Who had very close
relationships with the laboratory in

relationships with the laboratory in

relationships with the laboratory in
Wuhan and effectively were too willing

Wuhan and effectively were too willing

Wuhan and effectively were too willing
to accept constraints from the Chinese

to accept constraints from the Chinese

to accept constraints from the Chinese
authorities on what they shouldn't

authorities on what they shouldn't

authorities on what they shouldn't
shouldn't look at the un's position on

shouldn't look at the un's position on

shouldn't look at the un's position on
whistleblowing whether it's this child

whistleblowing whether it's this child

whistleblowing whether it's this child
sex abuse or anything is destroy the

sex abuse or anything is destroy the

sex abuse or anything is destroy the
Whistleblower

my name is Emma

my name is Emma
Riley I worked for the United Nations

Riley I worked for the United Nations

Riley I worked for the United Nations
for 10

for 10

for 10
years my job was to try to stop human

years my job was to try to stop human

years my job was to try to stop human
rights abuses from happening around the

rights abuses from happening around the

rights abuses from happening around the
world I'd have myself locked up in

world I'd have myself locked up in

world I'd have myself locked up in
prison cells with violent criminals in

prison cells with violent criminals in

prison cells with violent criminals in
some of the worst places on Earth in

some of the worst places on Earth in

some of the worst places on Earth in
order to find out the truth about what

order to find out the truth about what

order to find out the truth about what
was really going on behind closed

was really going on behind closed

was really going on behind closed
doors but when I Unearthed the fact that

doors but when I Unearthed the fact that

doors but when I Unearthed the fact that
the United Nations itself had evolved

the United Nations itself had evolved

the United Nations itself had evolved
into one of the most corrupt

into one of the most corrupt

into one of the most corrupt
organizations of the planet and when I

organizations of the planet and when I

organizations of the planet and when I
expose their complicity in the biggest

expose their complicity in the biggest

expose their complicity in the biggest
genocide since the

genocide since the

genocide since the
Holocaust instead of doing anything

Holocaust instead of doing anything

Holocaust instead of doing anything
about it they've come after me with

about it they've come after me with

about it they've come after me with
everything they've

everything they've

everything they've
got I've even found government spy where

got I've even found government spy where

got I've even found government spy where
on my phone my emails are being

on my phone my emails are being

on my phone my emails are being
hacked and I've lost count of how many

hacked and I've lost count of how many

hacked and I've lost count of how many
journalists they bought out who were

journalists they bought out who were

journalists they bought out who were
about to tell my

about to tell my

about to tell my
story there's a reason people haven't

story there's a reason people haven't

story there's a reason people haven't
heard about this the information I have

heard about this the information I have

heard about this the information I have
could spell the end of an era for the

could spell the end of an era for the

could spell the end of an era for the
United Nations and they know it

shinjang now has the largest network of

shinjang now has the largest network of
concentration camps since the Nazis we

concentration camps since the Nazis we

concentration camps since the Nazis we
haven't seen this kind of organized

haven't seen this kind of organized

haven't seen this kind of organized
statun genocide on this scale and the UN

statun genocide on this scale and the UN

statun genocide on this scale and the UN
is on the side of the oppressor I was

is on the side of the oppressor I was

is on the side of the oppressor I was
trying to stop un complicity in that

trying to stop un complicity in that

trying to stop un complicity in that
criminal complicity in an ongoing

criminal complicity in an ongoing

criminal complicity in an ongoing
genocide and instead of taking any

genocide and instead of taking any

genocide and instead of taking any
action about my actual reports the UN

action about my actual reports the UN

action about my actual reports the UN
saw me as the problem for raising the

saw me as the problem for raising the

saw me as the problem for raising the
issue and they have gone to extreme

issue and they have gone to extreme

issue and they have gone to extreme
lengths to try to shut me up the UN has

lengths to try to shut me up the UN has

lengths to try to shut me up the UN has
spent more than $3 million us on

spent more than $3 million us on

spent more than $3 million us on
silencing me they approached my lawyer

silencing me they approached my lawyer

silencing me they approached my lawyer
and offered me a huge son of money to go

and offered me a huge son of money to go

and offered me a huge son of money to go
away if I would sign a non-disclosure

away if I would sign a non-disclosure

away if I would sign a non-disclosure
agreement um they sent armed police to

agreement um they sent armed police to

agreement um they sent armed police to
my home when I was going to speak at a

my home when I was going to speak at a

my home when I was going to speak at a
un meeting about this they have defamed

un meeting about this they have defamed

un meeting about this they have defamed
me they've tried to generate false

me they've tried to generate false

me they've tried to generate false
complaints about me basically the un's

complaints about me basically the un's

complaints about me basically the un's
approach to any interal problem is go

approach to any interal problem is go

approach to any interal problem is go
after the Whistleblower as hard as they

after the Whistleblower as hard as they

after the Whistleblower as hard as they
can make sure nobody ever listens to

can make sure nobody ever listens to

can make sure nobody ever listens to
that person what's unique in my case is

that person what's unique in my case is

that person what's unique in my case is
that the UN actually fired me for the

that the UN actually fired me for the

that the UN actually fired me for the
act of

act of

act of
whistleblowing in previous whistleblower

whistleblowing in previous whistleblower

whistleblowing in previous whistleblower
cases they've always accused them of

cases they've always accused them of

cases they've always accused them of
something else um so you know either

something else um so you know either

something else um so you know either
they've been violent they had

they've been violent they had

they've been violent they had
performance issues some other thing I'm

performance issues some other thing I'm

performance issues some other thing I'm
the only person that ever fired

the only person that ever fired

the only person that ever fired
specifically because I told the truth to

specifically because I told the truth to

specifically because I told the truth to
member states and to the Press I was

member states and to the Press I was

member states and to the Press I was
literally charged with trying to change

literally charged with trying to change

literally charged with trying to change
a policy of the Secretary

a policy of the Secretary

a policy of the Secretary
General guilty is charged the secretary

General guilty is charged the secretary

General guilty is charged the secretary
General's policy is to hand names to

General's policy is to hand names to

General's policy is to hand names to
China and I am trying to change that

China and I am trying to change that

China and I am trying to change that
policy I was charged with making public

policy I was charged with making public

policy I was charged with making public
things known to me as a result of my

things known to me as a result of my

things known to me as a result of my
functions again guilty is charged what's

functions again guilty is charged what's

functions again guilty is charged what's
interesting is the UN actually claims in

interesting is the UN actually claims in

interesting is the UN actually claims in
court that this is a public policy that

court that this is a public policy that

court that this is a public policy that
everyone knows about so how exactly have

everyone knows about so how exactly have

everyone knows about so how exactly have
I been fired for making it public

I been fired for making it public

I been fired for making it public
my direct boss the chief of the Human

my direct boss the chief of the Human

my direct boss the chief of the Human
Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric

Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric

Rights Council Branch a guy called Eric
tiun uh had been passing names of

tiun uh had been passing names of

tiun uh had been passing names of
dissidents who were planning to engage

dissidents who were planning to engage

dissidents who were planning to engage
with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the

with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the

with UN Human Rights mechanisms to the
Chinese government and my immediate

Chinese government and my immediate

Chinese government and my immediate
reaction was of course we should never

reaction was of course we should never

reaction was of course we should never
hand over this information um it is

hand over this information um it is

hand over this information um it is
fairly WID widely known that China uses

fairly WID widely known that China uses

fairly WID widely known that China uses
intimidation and arbitrary arrest

intimidation and arbitrary arrest

intimidation and arbitrary arrest
detention torture even killing family

detention torture even killing family

detention torture even killing family
members to stop people speaking out and

members to stop people speaking out and

members to stop people speaking out and
we'd always refus that information for

we'd always refus that information for

we'd always refus that information for
every other member State I said okay

every other member State I said okay

every other member State I said okay
I'll send them the standard response

I'll send them the standard response

I'll send them the standard response
saying we don't give that information

saying we don't give that information

saying we don't give that information
and the reaction of my colleague who had

and the reaction of my colleague who had

and the reaction of my colleague who had
been working with NOS in the UN for

been working with NOS in the UN for

been working with NOS in the UN for
years was that I should discuss with my

years was that I should discuss with my

years was that I should discuss with my
boss so that was

boss so that was

boss so that was
already quite terrifying and then when I

already quite terrifying and then when I

already quite terrifying and then when I
had that discussion with my boss it was

had that discussion with my boss it was

had that discussion with my boss it was
really clear that his view was that we

really clear that his view was that we

really clear that his view was that we
should just give over the nams because

should just give over the nams because

should just give over the nams because
it would mean an easier life now we

it would mean an easier life now we

it would mean an easier life now we
aren't talking about some theoretical

aren't talking about some theoretical

aren't talking about some theoretical
danger that I was Raising that you know

danger that I was Raising that you know

danger that I was Raising that you know
oh China might use this information in a

oh China might use this information in a

oh China might use this information in a
bad way we're talking about a specific

bad way we're talking about a specific

bad way we're talking about a specific
instance of one of the names on the list

instance of one of the names on the list

instance of one of the names on the list
that we already know what China does

that we already know what China does

that we already know what China does
when they know that she's going to speak

when they know that she's going to speak

when they know that she's going to speak
out so reia Kadir for example she's a

out so reia Kadir for example she's a

out so reia Kadir for example she's a
really well-known weager activist it was

really well-known weager activist it was

really well-known weager activist it was
already public knowledge at that point

already public knowledge at that point

already public knowledge at that point
that several years

that several years

that several years
previously her adult children had been

previously her adult children had been

previously her adult children had been
tortured in front of each

tortured in front of each

tortured in front of each
other the phone was then handed to her

other the phone was then handed to her

other the phone was then handed to her
daughter was who was being for forced to

daughter was who was being for forced to

daughter was who was being for forced to
also witness this

also witness this

also witness this
torture and she was forced to call her

torture and she was forced to call her

torture and she was forced to call her
mother in the US to listen to her own

mother in the US to listen to her own

mother in the US to listen to her own
children being tortured live and being

children being tortured live and being

children being tortured live and being
told not to go to the meeting she was

told not to go to the meeting she was

told not to go to the meeting she was
planning to go to so basically I told my

planning to go to so basically I told my

planning to go to so basically I told my
boss well if you hand this name to China

boss well if you hand this name to China

boss well if you hand this name to China
her children will be

her children will be

her children will be
tortured he handed the name to China

tortured he handed the name to China

tortured he handed the name to China
several months later Amnesty

several months later Amnesty

several months later Amnesty
International issued an urgent action

International issued an urgent action

International issued an urgent action
regarding the torture of her children

regarding the torture of her children

regarding the torture of her children
now the UN claims it can see no link

now the UN claims it can see no link

now the UN claims it can see no link
there I gave them the example of gaang

there I gave them the example of gaang

there I gave them the example of gaang
being tortured to stop his family

being tortured to stop his family

being tortured to stop his family
members speaking out I gave the example

members speaking out I gave the example

members speaking out I gave the example
of Delena whose entire family has been

of Delena whose entire family has been

of Delena whose entire family has been
detained in concentration camps both his

detained in concentration camps both his

detained in concentration camps both his
parents died in concentration

parents died in concentration

parents died in concentration
camps and still the UN says this policy

camps and still the UN says this policy

camps and still the UN says this policy
is fine there's no problem how long has

is fine there's no problem how long has

is fine there's no problem how long has
this been going on for this has been

this been going on for this has been

this been going on for this has been
going on for years at least since 2006

going on for years at least since 2006

going on for years at least since 2006
every single meeting of the Human Rights

every single meeting of the Human Rights

every single meeting of the Human Rights
Council China has been handed names of

Council China has been handed names of

Council China has been handed names of
exactly who was planning to speak out

exactly who was planning to speak out

exactly who was planning to speak out
and it was in September 2013 that I

and it was in September 2013 that I

and it was in September 2013 that I
think I got the proof essentially again

think I got the proof essentially again

think I got the proof essentially again
that what I was saying I wasn't some

that what I was saying I wasn't some

that what I was saying I wasn't some
kind of mad woman that this is really

kind of mad woman that this is really

kind of mad woman that this is really
dangerous um every four years the Human

dangerous um every four years the Human

dangerous um every four years the Human
Rights Council considers the human

Rights Council considers the human

Rights Council considers the human
rights record of specific country and

rights record of specific country and

rights record of specific country and
China was up and a group of people were

China was up and a group of people were

China was up and a group of people were
traveling from China to attend the Human

traveling from China to attend the Human

traveling from China to attend the Human
Rights

Rights

Rights
Council um and they were arrested at the

Council um and they were arrested at the

Council um and they were arrested at the
airport and they were placed in arbitary

airport and they were placed in arbitary

airport and they were placed in arbitary
detention they weren't allowed to travel

detention they weren't allowed to travel

detention they weren't allowed to travel
to

to

to
Geneva um one of them kin

Geneva um one of them kin

Geneva um one of them kin
Lee died 6 months later um in detention

Lee died 6 months later um in detention

Lee died 6 months later um in detention
uh having been denied Medical

uh having been denied Medical

uh having been denied Medical
Care and

Care and

Care and
I do not know whether or not her name

I do not know whether or not her name

I do not know whether or not her name
was handed to China by the UN the UN

was handed to China by the UN the UN

was handed to China by the UN the UN
doesn't know that either they've never

doesn't know that either they've never

doesn't know that either they've never
conducted an investigation but it does

conducted an investigation but it does

conducted an investigation but it does
show the danger of which I was warning

show the danger of which I was warning

show the danger of which I was warning
that that danger is very real china will

that that danger is very real china will

that that danger is very real china will
go to extreme lengths to stop its human

go to extreme lengths to stop its human

go to extreme lengths to stop its human
rights record being criticized it will

rights record being criticized it will

rights record being criticized it will
particularly go do extreme lengths to

particularly go do extreme lengths to

particularly go do extreme lengths to
stop its human rights record being

stop its human rights record being

stop its human rights record being
criticized in a room with Chinese

criticized in a room with Chinese

criticized in a room with Chinese
diplomats in it those facts are well

diplomats in it those facts are well

diplomats in it those facts are well
known

known

known
there should have at that

there should have at that

there should have at that
point been an inquiry at that point the

point been an inquiry at that point the

point been an inquiry at that point the
UN should have admitted yeah maybe

UN should have admitted yeah maybe

UN should have admitted yeah maybe
telling them in advance who's coming is

telling them in advance who's coming is

telling them in advance who's coming is
a bad idea and I said whether or not her

a bad idea and I said whether or not her

a bad idea and I said whether or not her
name was on that

name was on that

name was on that
list and what has happened subsequently

list and what has happened subsequently

list and what has happened subsequently
is that the UN has tried to make this

is that the UN has tried to make this

is that the UN has tried to make this
entire argument about whether her

entire argument about whether her

entire argument about whether her
specific name was on the list so they've

specific name was on the list so they've

specific name was on the list so they've
ignored the fact that I can prove that

ignored the fact that I can prove that

ignored the fact that I can prove that
reia kader's name was handed over and

reia kader's name was handed over and

reia kader's name was handed over and
her children were tortured that I can

her children were tortured that I can

her children were tortured that I can
prove that H gang's name was handed over

prove that H gang's name was handed over

prove that H gang's name was handed over
and her husband was tortur I can prove

and her husband was tortur I can prove

and her husband was tortur I can prove
Doan's name was handed over and his

Doan's name was handed over and his

Doan's name was handed over and his
family members were forced to denounce

family members were forced to denounce

family members were forced to denounce
his actions and sort of Force TV

his actions and sort of Force TV

his actions and sort of Force TV
confessions I can show people whose

confessions I can show people whose

confessions I can show people whose
families were arbitrarily detained I can

families were arbitrarily detained I can

families were arbitrarily detained I can
show that people were placed in

show that people were placed in

show that people were placed in
concentration camps as a result of the

concentration camps as a result of the

concentration camps as a result of the
names being handed over but the UN only

names being handed over but the UN only

names being handed over but the UN only
discusses that one

discusses that one

discusses that one
issue and what's been disappointing is

issue and what's been disappointing is

issue and what's been disappointing is
kind of seeing how what I would term the

kind of seeing how what I would term the

kind of seeing how what I would term the
human right industrial complex works

human right industrial complex works

human right industrial complex works
that while individuals when I speak to

that while individuals when I speak to

that while individuals when I speak to
them about this are

them about this are

them about this are
concerned no major NGO has actually come

concerned no major NGO has actually come

concerned no major NGO has actually come
out and announced this even the NOS that

out and announced this even the NOS that

out and announced this even the NOS that
you would sort of expect to be a little

you would sort of expect to be a little

you would sort of expect to be a little
concerned so for example the NGO to

concerned so for example the NGO to

concerned so for example the NGO to
whose to whose training cou they was

whose to whose training cou they was

whose to whose training cou they was
planning to travel um is an organization

planning to travel um is an organization

planning to travel um is an organization
called the international service for

called the international service for

called the international service for
human rights and when I was placed under

human rights and when I was placed under

human rights and when I was placed under
investigation by the men and charged

investigation by the men and charged

investigation by the men and charged
with wrongdoing for having told the

with wrongdoing for having told the

with wrongdoing for having told the
truth in public the UN had to give me

truth in public the UN had to give me

truth in public the UN had to give me
all of the evidence of what I was

all of the evidence of what I was

all of the evidence of what I was
accused of and that evidence was

accused of and that evidence was

accused of and that evidence was
basically that when I brought this up

basically that when I brought this up

basically that when I brought this up
sometimes they had to have meetings or

sometimes they had to have meetings or

sometimes they had to have meetings or
write letters and you they lied in those

write letters and you they lied in those

write letters and you they lied in those
meetings and letters but I called the

meetings and letters but I called the

meetings and letters but I called the
head of that organization and just sort

head of that organization and just sort

head of that organization and just sort
of say hang on you've been telling the

of say hang on you've been telling the

of say hang on you've been telling the
press that her name wasn't on any list

press that her name wasn't on any list

press that her name wasn't on any list
how do you know that

how do you know that

how do you know that
and I was basically treated to a

and I was basically treated to a

and I was basically treated to a
15minute verbal T about how I was

15minute verbal T about how I was

15minute verbal T about how I was
somehow defaming cow Le's memory by

somehow defaming cow Le's memory by

somehow defaming cow Le's memory by
daring to suggest her name might have

daring to suggest her name might have

daring to suggest her name might have
been handed

been handed

been handed
over I don't know if her name was on a

over I don't know if her name was on a

over I don't know if her name was on a
list or not I'm saying that somebody

list or not I'm saying that somebody

list or not I'm saying that somebody
should investigate whether or not it

should investigate whether or not it

should investigate whether or not it
was and somebody should investigate

was and somebody should investigate

was and somebody should investigate
whose names were handed over and what

whose names were handed over and what

whose names were handed over and what
exactly happened to their families and

exactly happened to their families and

exactly happened to their families and
you see it externally as well no NGO

you see it externally as well no NGO

you see it externally as well no NGO
wants to know

wants to know

wants to know
either this doesn't fit the

either this doesn't fit the

either this doesn't fit the
narrative and I've given the evidence to

narrative and I've given the evidence to

narrative and I've given the evidence to
all of the major human rights NOS but

all of the major human rights NOS but

all of the major human rights NOS but
there is something a revolving

there is something a revolving

there is something a revolving
door with the office of the High

door with the office of the High

door with the office of the High
Commissioner for human rights which pays

Commissioner for human rights which pays

Commissioner for human rights which pays
about three times as much as the average

about three times as much as the average

about three times as much as the average
NGO salary so people do tend to want to

NGO salary so people do tend to want to

NGO salary so people do tend to want to
get a job there so criticizing the UN is

get a job there so criticizing the UN is

get a job there so criticizing the UN is
not going to be helpful for their

not going to be helpful for their

not going to be helpful for their
personal Career Development so they

personal Career Development so they

personal Career Development so they
don't do it

don't do it

don't do it
could that be why this hasn't gone

could that be why this hasn't gone

could that be why this hasn't gone
mainstream news like what why isn't this

mainstream news like what why isn't this

mainstream news like what why isn't this
Front Page

Front Page

Front Page
News um there's a general unwillingness

News um there's a general unwillingness

News um there's a general unwillingness
to criticize the UN sometimes it's been

to criticize the UN sometimes it's been

to criticize the UN sometimes it's been
because the UN has offered a bigger

because the UN has offered a bigger

because the UN has offered a bigger
scoop so sometimes when I have been in

scoop so sometimes when I have been in

scoop so sometimes when I have been in
contact with a journalist that

contact with a journalist that

contact with a journalist that
journalist has suddenly gone silent and

journalist has suddenly gone silent and

journalist has suddenly gone silent and
a couple of weeks later has a major un

a couple of weeks later has a major un

a couple of weeks later has a major un
scoup um it has actually been covered in

scoup um it has actually been covered in

scoup um it has actually been covered in
some relatively mainstream press but the

some relatively mainstream press but the

some relatively mainstream press but the
thing is it gets covered once and then

thing is it gets covered once and then

thing is it gets covered once and then
forgotten about it's seen as some kind

forgotten about it's seen as some kind

forgotten about it's seen as some kind
of Side Story rather than something

of Side Story rather than something

of Side Story rather than something
fundamental I think the same way as

fundamental I think the same way as

fundamental I think the same way as
people don't really understand what the

people don't really understand what the

people don't really understand what the
European Union is and how it operates

European Union is and how it operates

European Union is and how it operates
the same's true of the UN it's several

the same's true of the UN it's several

the same's true of the UN it's several
layers removed if this was the British

layers removed if this was the British

layers removed if this was the British
government handing names to the Chinese

government handing names to the Chinese

government handing names to the Chinese
government it would be Front Page News

government it would be Front Page News

government it would be Front Page News
everywhere but because it's the United

everywhere but because it's the United

everywhere but because it's the United
Nations nobody sort of

Nations nobody sort of

Nations nobody sort of
sees where the responsibility lies it's

sees where the responsibility lies it's

sees where the responsibility lies it's
this kind of faceless

this kind of faceless

this kind of faceless
bureaucracy that's doing something bad

bureaucracy that's doing something bad

bureaucracy that's doing something bad
but people feel powerless to stop it

but people feel powerless to stop it

but people feel powerless to stop it
when I first told my colleagues what was

when I first told my colleagues what was

when I first told my colleagues what was
happening when I first went to people in

happening when I first went to people in

happening when I first went to people in
other departments and told them hey

other departments and told them hey

other departments and told them hey
they're handing names to China over here

they're handing names to China over here

they're handing names to China over here
like this must stop by the end of it

like this must stop by the end of it

like this must stop by the end of it
when I was bringing it up with a

when I was bringing it up with a

when I was bringing it up with a
colleague

colleague

colleague
who's function within the UN was to

who's function within the UN was to

who's function within the UN was to
integrate human rights into peacekeeping

integrate human rights into peacekeeping

integrate human rights into peacekeeping
operations

operations

operations
she basically looked at me like I was

she basically looked at me like I was

she basically looked at me like I was
the most naive person on Earth and said

the most naive person on Earth and said

the most naive person on Earth and said
well it's a job like any other I mean

well it's a job like any other I mean

well it's a job like any other I mean
China is the pay Master what did you

China is the pay Master what did you

China is the pay Master what did you
expect as I said her job is to integrate

expect as I said her job is to integrate

expect as I said her job is to integrate
human rights into peacekeeping that is

human rights into peacekeeping that is

human rights into peacekeeping that is
her literal job description and that is

her literal job description and that is

her literal job description and that is
her

her

her
view what did she mean by China or the

view what did she mean by China or the

view what did she mean by China or the
pay

pay

pay
masters China is now the second largest

masters China is now the second largest

masters China is now the second largest
contributor to the UN budget um and

contributor to the UN budget um and

contributor to the UN budget um and
there's a kind

there's a kind

there's a kind
of fiction that Democratic member states

of fiction that Democratic member states

of fiction that Democratic member states
have

have

have
whereby somehow the UN is independent

whereby somehow the UN is independent

whereby somehow the UN is independent
and we shouldn't interfere in what it

and we shouldn't interfere in what it

and we shouldn't interfere in what it
does with the

does with the

does with the
money so the money that comes from the

money so the money that comes from the

money so the money that comes from the
US from the European Union all comes

US from the European Union all comes

US from the European Union all comes
basically no strings attached that is

basically no strings attached that is

basically no strings attached that is
not the case for the money that comes

not the case for the money that comes

not the case for the money that comes
from China and other totalitarian

from China and other totalitarian

from China and other totalitarian
regimes they put a lot of pressure on

regimes they put a lot of pressure on

regimes they put a lot of pressure on
individual staff members to do their

individual staff members to do their

individual staff members to do their
bidding and a lot of those indiv ual

bidding and a lot of those indiv ual

bidding and a lot of those indiv ual
staff members will do that and it was

staff members will do that and it was

staff members will do that and it was
telling that the justification given by

telling that the justification given by

telling that the justification given by
my boss for handing me into China was

my boss for handing me into China was

my boss for handing me into China was
otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese

otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese

otherwise it would exacerbate Chinese
mistrust against us when he discussed it

mistrust against us when he discussed it

mistrust against us when he discussed it
with leemont

with leemont

with leemont
newspaper he talked about a sort of

newspaper he talked about a sort of

newspaper he talked about a sort of
proon

proon

proon
analysis but for him the only pros and

analysis but for him the only pros and

analysis but for him the only pros and
cons he could see were the ones that

cons he could see were the ones that

cons he could see were the ones that
directly affected him and the smooth

directly affected him and the smooth

directly affected him and the smooth
running of his meeting so he talked

running of his meeting so he talked

running of his meeting so he talked
about the pro of handing them secretly

about the pro of handing them secretly

about the pro of handing them secretly
to China being that China wouldn't ask

to China being that China wouldn't ask

to China being that China wouldn't ask
in public and the con being that well

in public and the con being that well

in public and the con being that well
you know China might ask in public for

you know China might ask in public for

you know China might ask in public for
who was

who was

who was
coming that would be China obeying the

coming that would be China obeying the

coming that would be China obeying the
rule the rule if you want to know who is

rule the rule if you want to know who is

rule the rule if you want to know who is
coming to a un meeting and your a member

coming to a un meeting and your a member

coming to a un meeting and your a member
State and you want to know if a

State and you want to know if a

State and you want to know if a
particular individual is coming from an

particular individual is coming from an

particular individual is coming from an
NGO is that you must ask in front of

NGO is that you must ask in front of

NGO is that you must ask in front of
other member states so they can object

other member states so they can object

other member states so they can object
and stop you getting the information the

and stop you getting the information the

and stop you getting the information the
rule is not that the Secretariat should

rule is not that the Secretariat should

rule is not that the Secretariat should
sit there quietly handing over names to

sit there quietly handing over names to

sit there quietly handing over names to
China and I mean it would be the same

China and I mean it would be the same

China and I mean it would be the same
for any member State like you know on

for any member State like you know on

for any member State like you know on
the same rational should we give North

the same rational should we give North

the same rational should we give North
Korea the names should we give ARA the

Korea the names should we give ARA the

Korea the names should we give ARA the
names is there any state that the UN

names is there any state that the UN

names is there any state that the UN
would think we shouldn't give names to

would think we shouldn't give names to

would think we shouldn't give names to
who are the people that China wants the

who are the people that China wants the

who are the people that China wants the
names of that the UN is giving to them

names of that the UN is giving to them

names of that the UN is giving to them
what kind of people are

what kind of people are

what kind of people are
they um the kind of people China's

they um the kind of people China's

they um the kind of people China's
asking about are really varied uh simply

asking about are really varied uh simply

asking about are really varied uh simply
being a member of an ethnic minority is

being a member of an ethnic minority is

being a member of an ethnic minority is
enough

enough

enough
so if you are weager Tibetan outside

so if you are weager Tibetan outside

so if you are weager Tibetan outside
China they want to know um if you've

China they want to know um if you've

China they want to know um if you've
spoken to any kind of event so

spoken to any kind of event so

spoken to any kind of event so
everything you know and includes

everything you know and includes

everything you know and includes
students interns as well as people that

students interns as well as people that

students interns as well as people that
are quite high-profile and heading up

are quite high-profile and heading up

are quite high-profile and heading up
NOS um relatives of high-profile detes

NOS um relatives of high-profile detes

NOS um relatives of high-profile detes
in China so relatives of human rights

in China so relatives of human rights

in China so relatives of human rights
lawyers who tend to have managed to get

lawyers who tend to have managed to get

lawyers who tend to have managed to get
out of the country um it includes

out of the country um it includes

out of the country um it includes
academics that work on China um it

academics that work on China um it

academics that work on China um it
includes some academics that are still

includes some academics that are still

includes some academics that are still
based in China most of the people on the

based in China most of the people on the

based in China most of the people on the
list actually have nationality of other

list actually have nationality of other

list actually have nationality of other
countries they are of Chinese origin but

countries they are of Chinese origin but

countries they are of Chinese origin but
they're citizens of other

they're citizens of other

they're citizens of other
countries um and this should be a consal

countries um and this should be a consal

countries um and this should be a consal
issue for those countries but again even

issue for those countries but again even

issue for those countries but again even
when I reported it to them there's this

when I reported it to them there's this

when I reported it to them there's this
kind of collective not wanting to

kind of collective not wanting to

kind of collective not wanting to
know is actually my next question is um

know is actually my next question is um

know is actually my next question is um
you know are there citizens of other

you know are there citizens of other

you know are there citizens of other
countries on that list and if so could

countries on that list and if so could

countries on that list and if so could
you talk about that sure

you talk about that sure

you talk about that sure
um I've contacted most of the countries

um I've contacted most of the countries

um I've contacted most of the countries
that are democracies and kind of have

that are democracies and kind of have

that are democracies and kind of have
strong human rights records that their

strong human rights records that their

strong human rights records that their
citizens are on the list um that list

citizens are on the list um that list

citizens are on the list um that list
includes the US the UK Germany Sweden

includes the US the UK Germany Sweden

includes the US the UK Germany Sweden
Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and

Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and

Norway Switzerland Australia Canada and
a few others

a few others

a few others
um most of the ambassadors of those

um most of the ambassadors of those

um most of the ambassadors of those
countries simply ignored my report I'm

countries simply ignored my report I'm

countries simply ignored my report I'm
not aware of any action having been

not aware of any action having been

not aware of any action having been
taken when I've subsequently had contact

taken when I've subsequently had contact

taken when I've subsequently had contact
with some of the people where I have

with some of the people where I have

with some of the people where I have
informed their government that their

informed their government that their

informed their government that their
names were being handed to the Chinese

names were being handed to the Chinese

names were being handed to the Chinese
government they hadn't even been

government they hadn't even been

government they hadn't even been
told um it's very difficult often for me

told um it's very difficult often for me

told um it's very difficult often for me
to have any kind of secure contact these

to have any kind of secure contact these

to have any kind of secure contact these
people that you know I would literally

people that you know I would literally

people that you know I would literally
be resorting to Googling them um and I

be resorting to Googling them um and I

be resorting to Googling them um and I
know that China does monitor my

know that China does monitor my

know that China does monitor my
communication so I don't want to place

communication so I don't want to place

communication so I don't want to place
them in danger so I informed their

them in danger so I informed their

them in danger so I informed their
governments but they basically didn't do

governments but they basically didn't do

governments but they basically didn't do
anything about it what was the response

anything about it what was the response

anything about it what was the response
from the UK when you spoke to them about

from the UK when you spoke to them about

from the UK when you spoke to them about
some of their citizens uh the UK has

some of their citizens uh the UK has

some of their citizens uh the UK has
refused to meet me um I've requested

refused to meet me um I've requested

refused to meet me um I've requested
several uh meetings with the UK

several uh meetings with the UK

several uh meetings with the UK
Ambassador in Geneva and others um the

Ambassador in Geneva and others um the

Ambassador in Geneva and others um the
UK has refused to meet me but what is

UK has refused to meet me but what is

UK has refused to meet me but what is
interesting is that in the evidence that

interesting is that in the evidence that

interesting is that in the evidence that
was given to me by the UN it showed that

was given to me by the UN it showed that

was given to me by the UN it showed that
the UK did raise the issue uh over a

the UK did raise the issue uh over a

the UK did raise the issue uh over a
beer with with the spokesperson of the

beer with with the spokesperson of the

beer with with the spokesperson of the
Human Rights Council so a junior staff

Human Rights Council so a junior staff

Human Rights Council so a junior staff
member at the same level as me who was

member at the same level as me who was

member at the same level as me who was
not actually involved in this process

not actually involved in this process

not actually involved in this process
and has publicly lied about it he said

and has publicly lied about it he said

and has publicly lied about it he said
no names were ever handed over and got

no names were ever handed over and got

no names were ever handed over and got
very offended by the question when a

very offended by the question when a

very offended by the question when a
journalist asked him and in his

journalist asked him and in his

journalist asked him and in his
interview uh with investigators that led

interview uh with investigators that led

interview uh with investigators that led
to being fired he basically showed off

to being fired he basically showed off

to being fired he basically showed off
that he had managed to stop the UK being

that he had managed to stop the UK being

that he had managed to stop the UK being
worried by telling them that I was mad

worried by telling them that I was mad

worried by telling them that I was mad
so rather than look at the written

so rather than look at the written

so rather than look at the written
evidence the UK government decided to

evidence the UK government decided to

evidence the UK government decided to
have a beer with a friend and ignore

have a beer with a friend and ignore

have a beer with a friend and ignore
their own citizen coming to them with

their own citizen coming to them with

their own citizen coming to them with
written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN

written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN

written evidence of wrongdoing at the UN
that endangered the lives of UK citizens

that endangered the lives of UK citizens

that endangered the lives of UK citizens
and their

and their

and their
families why is China getting special

families why is China getting special

families why is China getting special
treat with

treat with

treat with
then

then

then
power um China has power China exercises

power um China has power China exercises

power um China has power China exercises
that power I don't know what the initial

that power I don't know what the initial

that power I don't know what the initial
interest was um I think this probably

interest was um I think this probably

interest was um I think this probably
did genuinely start in 2006

did genuinely start in 2006

did genuinely start in 2006
as an act of misconduct by an individual

as an act of misconduct by an individual

as an act of misconduct by an individual
staff member but since then every single

staff member but since then every single

staff member but since then every single
senior

senior

senior
manager has got behind

manager has got behind

manager has got behind
it um China is a major donor Chinese

it um China is a major donor Chinese

it um China is a major donor Chinese
diplomats get a lot of information on

diplomats get a lot of information on

diplomats get a lot of information on
people um sometimes it's probably

people um sometimes it's probably

people um sometimes it's probably
compromat.ru

I think to be honest in the case of my

I think to be honest in the case of my
boss I think it was genuinely just he

boss I think it was genuinely just he

boss I think it was genuinely just he
wanted an easy life and it was easier

wanted an easy life and it was easier

wanted an easy life and it was easier
for him to just hand over the names and

for him to just hand over the names and

for him to just hand over the names and
he just didn't care about the

he just didn't care about the

he just didn't care about the
consequences he didn't think about

consequences he didn't think about

consequences he didn't think about
them so China basically give over a huge

them so China basically give over a huge

them so China basically give over a huge
amount of money under the kind of

amount of money under the kind of

amount of money under the kind of
condition that you do what they say

condition that you do what they say

condition that you do what they say
effectively yeah and a lot of that money

effectively yeah and a lot of that money

effectively yeah and a lot of that money
that China gives has conditionalities

that China gives has conditionalities

that China gives has conditionalities
attached that aren't made public so

attached that aren't made public so

attached that aren't made public so
China gives a lot of money for example

China gives a lot of money for example

China gives a lot of money for example
to development assistance um and

to development assistance um and

to development assistance um and
particularly to the least developing

particularly to the least developing

particularly to the least developing
countries and small is developing States

countries and small is developing States

countries and small is developing States
now a lot of that money is conditioned

now a lot of that money is conditioned

now a lot of that money is conditioned
on having diplomatic relations with

on having diplomatic relations with

on having diplomatic relations with
China so you've seen a lot of small

China so you've seen a lot of small

China so you've seen a lot of small
islands in the last few years cutting

islands in the last few years cutting

islands in the last few years cutting
diplomatic relations with Taiwan

diplomatic relations with Taiwan

diplomatic relations with Taiwan
otherwise they can't access un

otherwise they can't access un

otherwise they can't access un
funds could you talk about is there a

funds could you talk about is there a

funds could you talk about is there a
difference in the way for example the

difference in the way for example the

difference in the way for example the
United States gives money to the UN you

United States gives money to the UN you

United States gives money to the UN you
know for refugee camps for the FAO for

know for refugee camps for the FAO for

know for refugee camps for the FAO for
this and the way that Beijing or the

this and the way that Beijing or the

this and the way that Beijing or the
Chinese government donate to the UN the

Chinese government donate to the UN the

Chinese government donate to the UN the
ways that different member states give

ways that different member states give

ways that different member states give
money to the UN is very different so for

money to the UN is very different so for

money to the UN is very different so for
most of the democracies they stick with

most of the democracies they stick with

most of the democracies they stick with
the fiction that the UN is wonderfully

the fiction that the UN is wonderfully

the fiction that the UN is wonderfully
independent and will do the right thing

independent and will do the right thing

independent and will do the right thing
with the cash so they give money that's

with the cash so they give money that's

with the cash so they give money that's
called une earmarked China does not do

called une earmarked China does not do

called une earmarked China does not do
that China gives earmarked funds that

that China gives earmarked funds that

that China gives earmarked funds that
usually reflect some Chinese interest um

usually reflect some Chinese interest um

usually reflect some Chinese interest um
so the belt and Road Initiative for

so the belt and Road Initiative for

so the belt and Road Initiative for
example will be largely funded through

example will be largely funded through

example will be largely funded through
Chinese money um um I think that one

Chinese money um um I think that one

Chinese money um um I think that one
really telling fund

really telling fund

really telling fund
is it's called the peace and Development

is it's called the peace and Development

is it's called the peace and Development
Fund and it's basically a slush fund for

Fund and it's basically a slush fund for

Fund and it's basically a slush fund for
the Secretary General and China gives 20

the Secretary General and China gives 20

the Secretary General and China gives 20
million a year and it is jointly decided

million a year and it is jointly decided

million a year and it is jointly decided
with the Secretary General what's that

with the Secretary General what's that

with the Secretary General what's that
spent on so Secretary General can hire

spent on so Secretary General can hire

spent on so Secretary General can hire
his preferred people can put his pet

his preferred people can put his pet

his preferred people can put his pet
projects in it and China clearly thinks

projects in it and China clearly thinks

projects in it and China clearly thinks
it's getting its money worth there and

it's getting its money worth there and

it's getting its money worth there and
it really shocked me when I met Antonio

it really shocked me when I met Antonio

it really shocked me when I met Antonio
guaras in person

guaras in person

guaras in person
um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and

um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and

um he was in Geneva in February 2020 and
for the Human Rights Council and a

for the Human Rights Council and a

for the Human Rights Council and a
colleague had given me his actual direct

colleague had given me his actual direct

colleague had given me his actual direct
email so I emailed him and said would

email so I emailed him and said would

email so I emailed him and said would
you be available to meet and to his

you be available to meet and to his

you be available to meet and to his
credit he actually agreed to meet me

credit he actually agreed to meet me

credit he actually agreed to meet me
he's one of the very few senior managers

he's one of the very few senior managers

he's one of the very few senior managers
to have done that and we met in Geneva

to have done that and we met in Geneva

to have done that and we met in Geneva
airport and I told him you know I

airport and I told him you know I

airport and I told him you know I
reported this names are being handed to

reported this names are being handed to

reported this names are being handed to
China he was completely

China he was completely

China he was completely
aware um

aware um

aware um
I said I'm being subjected to

I said I'm being subjected to

I said I'm being subjected to
retaliation for reporting this like I

retaliation for reporting this like I

retaliation for reporting this like I
currently have no functions can you at

currently have no functions can you at

currently have no functions can you at
least give me a job and we can have this

least give me a job and we can have this

least give me a job and we can have this
fight but you know from a fair system

fight but you know from a fair system

fight but you know from a fair system
where I'm getting work and he basically

where I'm getting work and he basically

where I'm getting work and he basically
said well you know most people in the UN

said well you know most people in the UN

said well you know most people in the UN
would dream of having no work so he

would dream of having no work so he

would dream of having no work so he
knows the organization he's running

knows the organization he's running

knows the organization he's running
um

um

um
and yeah he

and yeah he

and yeah he
basically told me that he was tired he

basically told me that he was tired he

basically told me that he was tired he
only wanted to deal with the security

only wanted to deal with the security

only wanted to deal with the security
Council he didn't want to deal with

Council he didn't want to deal with

Council he didn't want to deal with
managing the

managing the

managing the
organization and that other member

organization and that other member

organization and that other member
states had put all these senior managers

states had put all these senior managers

states had put all these senior managers
in place and he couldn't control

in place and he couldn't control

in place and he couldn't control
them and we had some follow-up emails

them and we had some follow-up emails

them and we had some follow-up emails
and it was really depressing he he said

and it was really depressing he he said

and it was really depressing he he said
he would see what he could do with the

he would see what he could do with the

he would see what he could do with the
people in

people in

people in
charge now if the Secretary General

charge now if the Secretary General

charge now if the Secretary General
isn't the person in charge of the United

isn't the person in charge of the United

isn't the person in charge of the United
Nations Secretariat exactly who

Nations Secretariat exactly who

Nations Secretariat exactly who
is who is he having to check with

is who is he having to check with

is who is he having to check with
to shun a junior staff member

to shun a junior staff member

to shun a junior staff member
sideways while there's an ongoing court

sideways while there's an ongoing court

sideways while there's an ongoing court
case while I'm trying to stop them doing

case while I'm trying to stop them doing

case while I'm trying to stop them doing
this and he

this and he

this and he
made really clear that he didn't care

made really clear that he didn't care

made really clear that he didn't care
about names being handed to China he

about names being handed to China he

about names being handed to China he
just didn't care when I met with Anton

just didn't care when I met with Anton

just didn't care when I met with Anton
gues I he that he knows I'm telling the

gues I he that he knows I'm telling the

gues I he that he knows I'm telling the
truth um I implored him to make some

truth um I implored him to make some

truth um I implored him to make some
public statement I implored him to at

public statement I implored him to at

public statement I implored him to at
least let the weers whose names are

least let the weers whose names are

least let the weers whose names are
being handed over know if this is

being handed over know if this is

being handed over know if this is
continuing or not to be honest about the

continuing or not to be honest about the

continuing or not to be honest about the
risks people are taking when they're

risks people are taking when they're

risks people are taking when they're
engaging with the UN so that they know

engaging with the UN so that they know

engaging with the UN so that they know
and can you know take informed decisions

and can you know take informed decisions

and can you know take informed decisions
about their own lives and the lives of

about their own lives and the lives of

about their own lives and the lives of
their family

their family

their family
members um he said it would be

members um he said it would be

members um he said it would be
difficult um and the difficulty for him

difficult um and the difficulty for him

difficult um and the difficulty for him
was entirely a political one I think for

was entirely a political one I think for

was entirely a political one I think for
him everything is uh political

him everything is uh political

him everything is uh political
bargaining chip including human rights

bargaining chip including human rights

bargaining chip including human rights
everything is about getting what he

everything is about getting what he

everything is about getting what he
wants to be his legacy he wants his

wants to be his legacy he wants his

wants to be his legacy he wants his
legacy to be climate

legacy to be climate

legacy to be climate
change uh for climate change to be his

change uh for climate change to be his

change uh for climate change to be his
legacy he feels he needs China's support

legacy he feels he needs China's support

legacy he feels he needs China's support
in exchange for non-binding agreements

in exchange for non-binding agreements

in exchange for non-binding agreements
that there's no chance China will

that there's no chance China will

that there's no chance China will
actually stick to he's willing to

actually stick to he's willing to

actually stick to he's willing to
overlook a major breach of international

overlook a major breach of international

overlook a major breach of international
law that goes against the founding

law that goes against the founding

law that goes against the founding
purposes of the United Nations it's no

purposes of the United Nations it's no

purposes of the United Nations it's no
coincidence that I was fired in the week

coincidence that I was fired in the week

coincidence that I was fired in the week
of the cop

of the cop

of the cop
conference I've been speaking out about

conference I've been speaking out about

conference I've been speaking out about
this for nine years my contract was

this for nine years my contract was

this for nine years my contract was
renewed four times what changed so I'm I

renewed four times what changed so I'm I

renewed four times what changed so I'm I
think it's fairly safe to say that I was

think it's fairly safe to say that I was

think it's fairly safe to say that I was
part of a deal between Anton teris and

part of a deal between Anton teris and

part of a deal between Anton teris and
the Chinese government to sign on yeah

the Chinese government to sign on yeah

the Chinese government to sign on yeah
so that basically in exchange for

so that basically in exchange for

so that basically in exchange for
uh the UN keeping you silent and firing

uh the UN keeping you silent and firing

uh the UN keeping you silent and firing
you uh that China will will non-legally

you uh that China will will non-legally

you uh that China will will non-legally
binding agree to shut down some power

binding agree to shut down some power

binding agree to shut down some power
plants or something yeah basically you

plants or something yeah basically you

plants or something yeah basically you
sign on to a non-legally binding

sign on to a non-legally binding

sign on to a non-legally binding
agreement on climate change and you get

agreement on climate change and you get

agreement on climate change and you get
one free

one free

one free
genocide human rights are seen as an

genocide human rights are seen as an

genocide human rights are seen as an
obstacle generally in the UN um whether

obstacle generally in the UN um whether

obstacle generally in the UN um whether
it's at headquarters or in the fields uh

it's at headquarters or in the fields uh

it's at headquarters or in the fields uh
when I was in morania and we were one of

when I was in morania and we were one of

when I was in morania and we were one of
my rules there was to sort of contribute

my rules there was to sort of contribute

my rules there was to sort of contribute
to the it's called it's like the the

to the it's called it's like the the

to the it's called it's like the the
plan of the UN for the next year and

plan of the UN for the next year and

plan of the UN for the next year and
every other UN agency was really trying

every other UN agency was really trying

every other UN agency was really trying
to water down human rights same thing

to water down human rights same thing

to water down human rights same thing
for the sustainable development goals um

for the sustainable development goals um

for the sustainable development goals um
I actually in the last six months of

I actually in the last six months of

I actually in the last six months of
that was leading the human rights office

that was leading the human rights office

that was leading the human rights office
advocacy just because I happened to have

advocacy just because I happened to have

advocacy just because I happened to have
a Math's degree as well and we were at

a Math's degree as well and we were at

a Math's degree as well and we were at
the stage of discussing what we're going

the stage of discussing what we're going

the stage of discussing what we're going
to measure and again every other UN

to measure and again every other UN

to measure and again every other UN
agency just wanted human rights out of

agency just wanted human rights out of

agency just wanted human rights out of
there because they're awward member

there because they're awward member

there because they're awward member
states don't like them it stops good

states don't like them it stops good

states don't like them it stops good
cooperation with the member

cooperation with the member

cooperation with the member
states I mean human rights or legal

states I mean human rights or legal

states I mean human rights or legal
rights that can only be used by an

rights that can only be used by an

rights that can only be used by an
individual against a government when the

individual against a government when the

individual against a government when the
government has done something

government has done something

government has done something
wrong fundamentally if you're working in

wrong fundamentally if you're working in

wrong fundamentally if you're working in
human rights and the government's like

human rights and the government's like

human rights and the government's like
you you're doing it

you you're doing it

you you're doing it
wrong

wrong

wrong
and human rights are meant to be one of

and human rights are meant to be one of

and human rights are meant to be one of
the three pillars of the UN but they

the three pillars of the UN but they

the three pillars of the UN but they
just aren't I mean the first time the

just aren't I mean the first time the

just aren't I mean the first time the
words United Nations were used was

words United Nations were used was

words United Nations were used was
during World War II it was a declaration

during World War II it was a declaration

during World War II it was a declaration
by the Allies where they refer to

by the Allies where they refer to

by the Allies where they refer to
themselves as the United

themselves as the United

themselves as the United
Nations um it was very much a sort of

Nations um it was very much a sort of

Nations um it was very much a sort of
project that came out of that the idea

project that came out of that the idea

project that came out of that the idea
of freedom from fear and want that there

of freedom from fear and want that there

of freedom from fear and want that there
were certain rights that everyone had by

were certain rights that everyone had by

were certain rights that everyone had by
virtue of being a human being the idea

virtue of being a human being the idea

virtue of being a human being the idea
that and again it's in the preamble to

that and again it's in the preamble to

that and again it's in the preamble to
the Charter the idea that twice in our

the Charter the idea that twice in our

the Charter the idea that twice in our
lifetimes we have seen the scourge of

lifetimes we have seen the scourge of

lifetimes we have seen the scourge of
war the

war the

war the
references to genocide

references to genocide

references to genocide
and the UN was supposed to be the

and the UN was supposed to be the

and the UN was supposed to be the
organization that would make sure this

organization that would make sure this

organization that would make sure this
couldn't happen again the League of

couldn't happen again the League of

couldn't happen again the League of
Nations had failed World War II had

Nations had failed World War II had

Nations had failed World War II had
happened we're going to try again but

happened we're going to try again but

happened we're going to try again but
better this time and this this time

better this time and this this time

better this time and this this time
we'll do it right this time we'll make

we'll do it right this time we'll make

we'll do it right this time we'll make
sure that this cannot happen again and

sure that this cannot happen again and

sure that this cannot happen again and
it is happening

it is happening

it is happening
again instead of it being Jewish people

again instead of it being Jewish people

again instead of it being Jewish people
marched into camps now it's weaker

marched into camps now it's weaker

marched into camps now it's weaker
people and the world is just standing by

people and the world is just standing by

people and the world is just standing by
and watching and prioritizing its

and watching and prioritizing its

and watching and prioritizing its
economic relationship with China Above

economic relationship with China Above

economic relationship with China Above
All Else

All Else

All Else
and the body that was founded on the

and the body that was founded on the

and the body that was founded on the
idea that at least here we will have

idea that at least here we will have

idea that at least here we will have
some moral Authority here they will

some moral Authority here they will

some moral Authority here they will
speak

speak

speak
out is silent there has been absolute

out is silent there has been absolute

out is silent there has been absolute
Silence from Antonio guaris from

Silence from Antonio guaris from

Silence from Antonio guaris from
Michelle Bash from all of the people who

Michelle Bash from all of the people who

Michelle Bash from all of the people who
are supposed to speak about this

are supposed to speak about this

are supposed to speak about this
occasionally an independent un expert

occasionally an independent un expert

occasionally an independent un expert
has made a statement but the UN as such

has made a statement but the UN as such

has made a statement but the UN as such
is

is

is
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silent I think the fundamental problem

silent I think the fundamental problem

silent I think the fundamental problem
in the United Nations is that the senior

in the United Nations is that the senior

in the United Nations is that the senior
managers are so devoid of Ethics that

managers are so devoid of Ethics that

managers are so devoid of Ethics that
they don't understand what having ethics

they don't understand what having ethics

they don't understand what having ethics
would look like so instead of engaging

would look like so instead of engaging

would look like so instead of engaging
with me on the issues I'm reporting and

with me on the issues I'm reporting and

with me on the issues I'm reporting and
doing anything to try to either stop

doing anything to try to either stop

doing anything to try to either stop
handing names to China or give me some

handing names to China or give me some

handing names to China or give me some
kind of evidence that they might be

kind of evidence that they might be

kind of evidence that they might be
considering stopping it they've always

considering stopping it they've always

considering stopping it they've always
tried to effectively buy me

tried to effectively buy me

tried to effectively buy me
off um when I first approached the

off um when I first approached the

off um when I first approached the
ethics office I was told you know

ethics office I was told you know

ethics office I was told you know
instead of coming to us and asking for

instead of coming to us and asking for

instead of coming to us and asking for
protection you should use the

protection you should use the

protection you should use the
information to get your boss to give you

information to get your boss to give you

information to get your boss to give you
promotion elsewhere effectively get a

promotion elsewhere effectively get a

promotion elsewhere effectively get a
pay rise out of it instead of doing

pay rise out of it instead of doing

pay rise out of it instead of doing
anything about it then they said that

anything about it then they said that

anything about it then they said that
they would give me many years salary if

they would give me many years salary if

they would give me many years salary if
I would go away and sign a

I would go away and sign a

I would go away and sign a
non-disclosure agreement um at every

non-disclosure agreement um at every

non-disclosure agreement um at every
turn it has been about personal benefit

turn it has been about personal benefit

turn it has been about personal benefit
to

to

to
me they simply cannot conceive of the

me they simply cannot conceive of the

me they simply cannot conceive of the
possibility that someone might actually

possibility that someone might actually

possibility that someone might actually
value the lives and safety of an entire

value the lives and safety of an entire

value the lives and safety of an entire
people over their personal pay and

people over their personal pay and

people over their personal pay and
benefits and those are the people

benefits and those are the people

benefits and those are the people
running the UN how has this experience

running the UN how has this experience

running the UN how has this experience
made you look at the things that

made you look at the things that

made you look at the things that
unfolded during World War II with the

unfolded during World War II with the

unfolded during World War II with the
Holocaust of the Jews and other

Holocaust of the Jews and other

Holocaust of the Jews and other
minorities has

minorities has

minorities has
this has this informed your view of what

this has this informed your view of what

this has this informed your view of what
what um like you said plausible

what um like you said plausible

what um like you said plausible
deniability and he said she said not

deniability and he said she said not

deniability and he said she said not
wanting to do anything about it ignoring

wanting to do anything about it ignoring

wanting to do anything about it ignoring
things that led to it to evil prospering

things that led to it to evil prospering

things that led to it to evil prospering
has this experience informed the way you

has this experience informed the way you

has this experience informed the way you
look at history and other genocides yeah

look at history and other genocides yeah

look at history and other genocides yeah
and I think not just the Holocaust but

and I think not just the Holocaust but

and I think not just the Holocaust but
also the other genocides uh Rwanda where

also the other genocides uh Rwanda where

also the other genocides uh Rwanda where
you know the UN has a share of

you know the UN has a share of

you know the UN has a share of
responsibility uh [\h__\h]

responsibility uh [\h__\h]

responsibility uh [\h__\h]
um there's a wonderful quote um not to

um there's a wonderful quote um not to

um there's a wonderful quote um not to
get too esoteric from Dante that I

get too esoteric from Dante that I

get too esoteric from Dante that I
always that informed a lot of my human

always that informed a lot of my human

always that informed a lot of my human
rights work the deepest Court of hell is

rights work the deepest Court of hell is

rights work the deepest Court of hell is
reserved served for those in times of

reserved served for those in times of

reserved served for those in times of
great moral crisis sit by and do

great moral crisis sit by and do

great moral crisis sit by and do
nothing that is that pretty much sums up

nothing that is that pretty much sums up

nothing that is that pretty much sums up
My Philosophy about human rights that

My Philosophy about human rights that

My Philosophy about human rights that
for human rights abuses to thrive it

for human rights abuses to thrive it

for human rights abuses to thrive it
requires good people to do

requires good people to do

requires good people to do
nothing yeah do do you see some s

nothing yeah do do you see some s

nothing yeah do do you see some s
similarities also between what's

similarities also between what's

similarities also between what's
happening now

happening now

happening now
in Jin Jang and what happened during

in Jin Jang and what happened during

in Jin Jang and what happened during
World War II are there of course

World War II are there of course

World War II are there of course
shinjang now has the network of

shinjang now has the network of

shinjang now has the network of
concentration camp since the

concentration camp since the

concentration camp since the
Nazis um we haven't seen this kind

Nazis um we haven't seen this kind

Nazis um we haven't seen this kind
of organized statun genocide on this

of organized statun genocide on this

of organized statun genocide on this
scale uh in

scale uh in

scale uh in
years there's a reason why the

years there's a reason why the

years there's a reason why the
organizations that are shouting the

organizations that are shouting the

organizations that are shouting the
loudest are the Jewish

loudest are the Jewish

loudest are the Jewish
organizations we're heading down a very

organizations we're heading down a very

organizations we're heading down a very
dangerous path and the birth rates speak

dangerous path and the birth rates speak

dangerous path and the birth rates speak
for themselves they are sterilizing an

for themselves they are sterilizing an

for themselves they are sterilizing an
entire

entire

entire
people and the world is basically

people and the world is basically

people and the world is basically
sitting by and watching it happen and

sitting by and watching it happen and

sitting by and watching it happen and
the UN is

the UN is

the UN is
silent the UN High Commissioner for

silent the UN High Commissioner for

silent the UN High Commissioner for
human rights has not made a single

human rights has not made a single

human rights has not made a single
statement about this the Secretary

statement about this the Secretary

statement about this the Secretary
General has not made a single statement

General has not made a single statement

General has not made a single statement
about this the only statements out of

about this the only statements out of

about this the only statements out of
the UN have been the odd expert that

the UN have been the odd expert that

the UN have been the odd expert that
might say

might say

might say
something but they have refused the

something but they have refused the

something but they have refused the
pleas of the Wagers to speak out and

pleas of the Wagers to speak out and

pleas of the Wagers to speak out and
they have refused even to tell the weers

they have refused even to tell the weers

they have refused even to tell the weers
whether or not they're still handing

whether or not they're still handing

whether or not they're still handing
their names to China they have

their names to China they have

their names to China they have
asked could you tell me about we Muslims

asked could you tell me about we Muslims

asked could you tell me about we Muslims
their plight the concentration camps try

their plight the concentration camps try

their plight the concentration camps try
and give a a big picture of you for

and give a a big picture of you for

and give a a big picture of you for
people who have no idea what who they

people who have no idea what who they

people who have no idea what who they
are what's going on um the weaker

are what's going on um the weaker

are what's going on um the weaker
minority is based in xinjang in China

minority is based in xinjang in China

minority is based in xinjang in China
which is a very mineral Rich area um and

which is a very mineral Rich area um and

which is a very mineral Rich area um and
an area that the Chinese government very

an area that the Chinese government very

an area that the Chinese government very
much wants to exploit

much wants to exploit

much wants to exploit
um China does not have the greatest of

um China does not have the greatest of

um China does not have the greatest of
records with any ethnic or religious

records with any ethnic or religious

records with any ethnic or religious
minority and have taken a similar

minority and have taken a similar

minority and have taken a similar
approach to the weaker Muslims as they

approach to the weaker Muslims as they

approach to the weaker Muslims as they
took for example to Tibet so there has

took for example to Tibet so there has

took for example to Tibet so there has
been widescale destruction of all

been widescale destruction of all

been widescale destruction of all
cultural sites mosques have been raised

cultural sites mosques have been raised

cultural sites mosques have been raised
burial sites have been raised

burial sites have been raised

burial sites have been raised
um the Chinese government places what

um the Chinese government places what

um the Chinese government places what
they call Cousins in the families of

they call Cousins in the families of

they call Cousins in the families of
Wagers um these are basically Chinese

Wagers um these are basically Chinese

Wagers um these are basically Chinese
spies that report back on whether or not

spies that report back on whether or not

spies that report back on whether or not
they're religiously observant um they

they're religiously observant um they

they're religiously observant um they
will do things like try to encourage

will do things like try to encourage

will do things like try to encourage
people to drink alcohol eat pork um it

people to drink alcohol eat pork um it

people to drink alcohol eat pork um it
doesn't take a genius to figure out that

doesn't take a genius to figure out that

doesn't take a genius to figure out that
if you have a strange man that is

if you have a strange man that is

if you have a strange man that is
sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh

sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh

sleeping in a bed with a weaker woman uh
sexual violence

sexual violence

sexual violence
ensues um

ensues um

ensues um
um in recent years the repression has

um in recent years the repression has

um in recent years the repression has
ramped up uh China has constructed the

ramped up uh China has constructed the

ramped up uh China has constructed the
largest network of concentration camps

largest network of concentration camps

largest network of concentration camps
that has been seen since the

that has been seen since the

that has been seen since the
Nazis

Nazis

Nazis
um there is widespread forc Labor uh in

um there is widespread forc Labor uh in

um there is widespread forc Labor uh in
those camps uh there are reports of

those camps uh there are reports of

those camps uh there are reports of
insufficient food widespread systematic

insufficient food widespread systematic

insufficient food widespread systematic
torture uh systematic rip

torture uh systematic rip

torture uh systematic rip
including having hand Chinese pay for

including having hand Chinese pay for

including having hand Chinese pay for
the privilege to come in and rip women

the privilege to come in and rip women

the privilege to come in and rip women
who are tied to

who are tied to

who are tied to
beds um they can select which of the

beds um they can select which of the

beds um they can select which of the
women they would like to

women they would like to

women they would like to
rip um the there are very large scale

rip um the there are very large scale

rip um the there are very large scale
sterilization efforts um of the women

sterilization efforts um of the women

sterilization efforts um of the women
who are attend either iuds or more often

who are attend either iuds or more often

who are attend either iuds or more often
surgical um the children who were both

surgical um the children who were both

surgical um the children who were both
parents are detained are sent to

parents are detained are sent to

parents are detained are sent to
orphanage is where they

orphanage is where they

orphanage is where they
are basically required to denounce their

are basically required to denounce their

are basically required to denounce their
culture um

culture um

culture um
to sing the Praises of the Chinese

to sing the Praises of the Chinese

to sing the Praises of the Chinese
government again um destruction of any

government again um destruction of any

government again um destruction of any
cultural tradition destruction of any

cultural tradition destruction of any

cultural tradition destruction of any
link between sort of parents and

link between sort of parents and

link between sort of parents and
children um yeah just I said on a scale

children um yeah just I said on a scale

children um yeah just I said on a scale
that has not been seen since the

that has not been seen since the

that has not been seen since the
Holocaust and

Holocaust and

Holocaust and
and disturbingly it seems that the world

and disturbingly it seems that the world

and disturbingly it seems that the world
is willing to just sit by and watch it

is willing to just sit by and watch it

is willing to just sit by and watch it
happen do you want to talk about a bit

happen do you want to talk about a bit

happen do you want to talk about a bit
more about the concentration caps

more about the concentration caps

more about the concentration caps
because there's been a number of

because there's been a number of

because there's been a number of
satellite images that come out and I

satellite images that come out and I

satellite images that come out and I
don't know if you're aware of this or if

don't know if you're aware of this or if

don't know if you're aware of this or if
you comfortable talking about I heard

you comfortable talking about I heard

you comfortable talking about I heard
the now Stars build them underground to

the now Stars build them underground to

the now Stars build them underground to
avoid the satellite images yeah um so

avoid the satellite images yeah um so

avoid the satellite images yeah um so
could you talk about the concentration

could you talk about the concentration

could you talk about the concentration
camps the scale that they're offering

camps the scale that they're offering

camps the scale that they're offering
how fast they're growing and then the

how fast they're growing and then the

how fast they're growing and then the
underground thing yeah

underground thing yeah

underground thing yeah
the the scale is impressive um I

the the scale is impressive um I

the the scale is impressive um I
mean estimates are that between 1 and 3

mean estimates are that between 1 and 3

mean estimates are that between 1 and 3
million wakers are detained um because a

million wakers are detained um because a

million wakers are detained um because a
lot of satellite imagery has been

lot of satellite imagery has been

lot of satellite imagery has been
employed to prove the extent of the

employed to prove the extent of the

employed to prove the extent of the
camps um there have been various other

camps um there have been various other

camps um there have been various other
methods used um some of the camps seem

methods used um some of the camps seem

methods used um some of the camps seem
to have larger underground sections

to have larger underground sections

to have larger underground sections
being instructed in other cases China

being instructed in other cases China

being instructed in other cases China
has moved on from the Camp regime to

has moved on from the Camp regime to

has moved on from the Camp regime to
placing people in prisons so a sort of

placing people in prisons so a sort of

placing people in prisons so a sort of
transition from a labor camp directly

transition from a labor camp directly

transition from a labor camp directly
into prison um for you know offenses

into prison um for you know offenses

into prison um for you know offenses
such as being Muslim and there's been a

such as being Muslim and there's been a

such as being Muslim and there's been a
significant movement in that direction

significant movement in that direction

significant movement in that direction
of sort of criminalization and where

of sort of criminalization and where

of sort of criminalization and where
questions are asked internationally

questions are asked internationally

questions are asked internationally
about specific individuals those

about specific individuals those

about specific individuals those
individuals will then be given a lengthy

individuals will then be given a lengthy

individuals will then be given a lengthy
prison

prison

prison
sentence um a lot of people have

sentence um a lot of people have

sentence um a lot of people have
disappeared into this system their

disappeared into this system their

disappeared into this system their
whereabouts are

whereabouts are

whereabouts are
unknown uh their families have no

unknown uh their families have no

unknown uh their families have no
contact with them um family members

contact with them um family members

contact with them um family members
based outside China can't have any any

based outside China can't have any any

based outside China can't have any any
contact with their families still in

contact with their families still in

contact with their families still in
China because such contact is now a

China because such contact is now a

China because such contact is now a
reason to be placed in a concentration

reason to be placed in a concentration

reason to be placed in a concentration
camp um a lot of wegers are also forced

camp um a lot of wegers are also forced

camp um a lot of wegers are also forced
um to denounce any wegers outside of

um to denounce any wegers outside of

um to denounce any wegers outside of
shinjang who may speak up um family

shinjang who may speak up um family

shinjang who may speak up um family
members of doesa for example have been

members of doesa for example have been

members of doesa for example have been
forced to testify on camera that he's

forced to testify on camera that he's

forced to testify on camera that he's
lying that it's all

lying that it's all

lying that it's all
untrue um similarly for most of those

untrue um similarly for most of those

untrue um similarly for most of those
whose names appear on Chinese China's

whose names appear on Chinese China's

whose names appear on Chinese China's
lists um for the Wagers whose names are

lists um for the Wagers whose names are

lists um for the Wagers whose names are
on Chinese China's lists that the UN has

on Chinese China's lists that the UN has

on Chinese China's lists that the UN has
handed over their names their entire

handed over their names their entire

handed over their names their entire
extended families are now concentration

extended families are now concentration

extended families are now concentration
camps talk about the kind of torture

camps talk about the kind of torture

camps talk about the kind of torture
that they're enjoying

that they're enjoying

that they're enjoying
um there are various things like um

um there are various things like um

um there are various things like um
tiger chairs where people are sort of

tiger chairs where people are sort of

tiger chairs where people are sort of
held in

held in

held in
positions um stressed positions for long

positions um stressed positions for long

positions um stressed positions for long
periods of time there's deprivation of

periods of time there's deprivation of

periods of time there's deprivation of
food deprivation of

food deprivation of

food deprivation of
sleep um Regular

sleep um Regular

sleep um Regular
beatings a lot of torture and sort of

beatings a lot of torture and sort of

beatings a lot of torture and sort of
having worked with a lot of torture

having worked with a lot of torture

having worked with a lot of torture
victims people report the psychological

victims people report the psychological

victims people report the psychological
torture is the worst um they're not

torture is the worst um they're not

torture is the worst um they're not
knowing what's happening to your

knowing what's happening to your

knowing what's happening to your
families the hearing the screams of

families the hearing the screams of

families the hearing the screams of
others being tortured is often reported

others being tortured is often reported

others being tortured is often reported
as being almost worse it being tortured

as being almost worse it being tortured

as being almost worse it being tortured
yourself

yourself

yourself
um people are forced to participate in

um people are forced to participate in

um people are forced to participate in
the torture of others um for example

the torture of others um for example

the torture of others um for example
particularly when it comes to the masss

particularly when it comes to the masss

particularly when it comes to the masss
some weager women are forced to tie

some weager women are forced to tie

some weager women are forced to tie
others to beds to prepare them to be

others to beds to prepare them to be

others to beds to prepare them to be
raised by hand Chinese men who pay for

raised by hand Chinese men who pay for

raised by hand Chinese men who pay for
the

the

the
privilege um and that's one of the ways

privilege um and that's one of the ways

privilege um and that's one of the ways
of breaking down those kind of societal

of breaking down those kind of societal

of breaking down those kind of societal
bonds and breaking down communities

bonds and breaking down communities

bonds and breaking down communities
is the forced participation in torture

is the forced participation in torture

is the forced participation in torture
of

of

of
others um watching the torture of close

others um watching the torture of close

others um watching the torture of close
family members or close friends um again

family members or close friends um again

family members or close friends um again
that's something that most victims

that's something that most victims

that's something that most victims
report as being almost worse than being

report as being almost worse than being

report as being almost worse than being
subject to torture

subject to torture

subject to torture
yourself

yourself

yourself
um I mean it's just horrific

it's almost anything that you you can

it's almost anything that you you can
imagine has been reported as happening

imagine has been reported as happening

imagine has been reported as happening
in these camps um also the the

in these camps um also the the

in these camps um also the the
significant evidence of organ harvesting

significant evidence of organ harvesting

significant evidence of organ harvesting
um that's something that the Chinese

um that's something that the Chinese

um that's something that the Chinese
government uses already sort of widely

government uses already sort of widely

government uses already sort of widely
known on members of fang gong and people

known on members of fang gong and people

known on members of fang gong and people
sentenced to death is forced organ

sentenced to death is forced organ

sentenced to death is forced organ
harvesting and there is evidence that

harvesting and there is evidence that

harvesting and there is evidence that
that is happening also in the

that is happening also in the

that is happening also in the
camps um and you know it's it's a hell

camps um and you know it's it's a hell

camps um and you know it's it's a hell
of a euphemism but you know we take out

of a euphemism but you know we take out

of a euphemism but you know we take out
most organs and the person

most organs and the person

most organs and the person
dies so it's state sanction murder what

dies so it's state sanction murder what

dies so it's state sanction murder what
China has made the Xin Jang region um

China has made the Xin Jang region um

China has made the Xin Jang region um
Orwell would be proud there is

Orwell would be proud there is

Orwell would be proud there is
surveillance everywhere and there's

surveillance everywhere and there's

surveillance everywhere and there's
significant complicity

significant complicity

significant complicity
of or of companies based in the global

of or of companies based in the global

of or of companies based in the global
North in this um there's facial

North in this um there's facial

North in this um there's facial
recognition cameras basically everywhere

recognition cameras basically everywhere

recognition cameras basically everywhere
your every movement is tracked um they

your every movement is tracked um they

your every movement is tracked um they
specifically look for weaker faces

specifically look for weaker faces

specifically look for weaker faces
they're designed to look for weaker

they're designed to look for weaker

they're designed to look for weaker
faces um the surveillance includes

faces um the surveillance includes

faces um the surveillance includes
Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming

Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming

Chinese majority Chinese citizens coming
living in your house and Reporting back

living in your house and Reporting back

living in your house and Reporting back
on a regular

on a regular

on a regular
basis um

basis um

basis um
the there's your mobile phones have

the there's your mobile phones have

the there's your mobile phones have
um are tracked just systemic

um are tracked just systemic

um are tracked just systemic
systematically

systematically

systematically
um every move is tracked everything

um every move is tracked everything

um every move is tracked everything
every weaker does is tracked any

every weaker does is tracked any

every weaker does is tracked any
indication that they're sort of

indication that they're sort of

indication that they're sort of
approaching a mosque that they haven't

approaching a mosque that they haven't

approaching a mosque that they haven't
eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol

eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol

eaten pork they haven't drunk alcohol
that they might be observing Ramadan all

that they might be observing Ramadan all

that they might be observing Ramadan all
of that is tracked and is used for

of that is tracked and is used for

of that is tracked and is used for
almost a social capital score and if you

almost a social capital score and if you

almost a social capital score and if you
fall below a certain level you will be

fall below a certain level you will be

fall below a certain level you will be
put in a camp for

re-education could you you um you know

re-education could you you um you know
is there you talk about slave the

is there you talk about slave the

is there you talk about slave the
slavery that's going on you know is

slavery that's going on you know is

slavery that's going on you know is
there slave labor going with the weers

there slave labor going with the weers

there slave labor going with the weers
I've heard things about the women

I've heard things about the women

I've heard things about the women
selling like the hair being taken I've

selling like the hair being taken I've

selling like the hair being taken I've
heard about covid masks being made in

heard about covid masks being made in

heard about covid masks being made in
these camps slave abor is happening in

these camps slave abor is happening in

these camps slave abor is happening in
the jinjang region these concentration

the jinjang region these concentration

the jinjang region these concentration
camps are used as sources of slave labor

camps are used as sources of slave labor

camps are used as sources of slave labor
um a lot of Western companies are

um a lot of Western companies are

um a lot of Western companies are
benefiting from that 80% of the world's

benefiting from that 80% of the world's

benefiting from that 80% of the world's
cotton is produced in chin Jang um

cotton is produced in chin Jang um

cotton is produced in chin Jang um
companies like Zara Nike most Major

companies like Zara Nike most Major

companies like Zara Nike most Major
Brands um are profiting from that uh

Brands um are profiting from that uh

Brands um are profiting from that uh
some of them have even advertised it to

some of them have even advertised it to

some of them have even advertised it to
their Chinese market so hug boss has

their Chinese market so hug boss has

their Chinese market so hug boss has
advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi

advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi

advertised using shinan cotton uh muchi
advertises using shinjan cotton

advertises using shinjan cotton

advertises using shinjan cotton
Volkswagen has a factory that's

Volkswagen has a factory that's

Volkswagen has a factory that's
basically in one of the camps uh which

basically in one of the camps uh which

basically in one of the camps uh which
given their history you would have

given their history you would have

given their history you would have
thought might have caused him to think

thought might have caused him to think

thought might have caused him to think
twice there's also forcible transfer of

twice there's also forcible transfer of

twice there's also forcible transfer of
weers to other regions in China so if

weers to other regions in China so if

weers to other regions in China so if
you are buying anything that is made in

you are buying anything that is made in

you are buying anything that is made in
China the chances are that it could well

China the chances are that it could well

China the chances are that it could well
be tinted by slave labor one of the

be tinted by slave labor one of the

be tinted by slave labor one of the
things that was reported um earlier in

things that was reported um earlier in

things that was reported um earlier in
the camps is that women are having their

the camps is that women are having their

the camps is that women are having their
hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs

hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs

hair forcibly cut so natural hair wigs
being sold in the global North are

being sold in the global North are

being sold in the global North are
actually forcibly removed hair from

actually forcibly removed hair from

actually forcibly removed hair from
women who are being held in

women who are being held in

women who are being held in
concentration

concentration

concentration
camps um and there's a huge

camps um and there's a huge

camps um and there's a huge
responsibility on the part of

responsibility on the part of

responsibility on the part of
governments in the global North that are

governments in the global North that are

governments in the global North that are
allowing these products in sourcing of

allowing these products in sourcing of

allowing these products in sourcing of
tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes

tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes

tomatoes as well a lot of the tomatoes
that are sold in Europe as being Italian

that are sold in Europe as being Italian

that are sold in Europe as being Italian
are processed in Italy but the tomatoes

are processed in Italy but the tomatoes

are processed in Italy but the tomatoes
are grown in chin Jang and picked with

are grown in chin Jang and picked with

are grown in chin Jang and picked with
people using slave slave labor

people using slave slave labor

people using slave slave labor
specifically why is the Chinese

specifically why is the Chinese

specifically why is the Chinese
government doing this what are they

government doing this what are they

government doing this what are they
hoping to achieve with this with this

hoping to achieve with this with this

hoping to achieve with this with this
genocide the destruction of the wiger

genocide the destruction of the wiger

genocide the destruction of the wiger
people the Chinese government is eing to

people the Chinese government is eing to

people the Chinese government is eing to
story The weaker people that's the

story The weaker people that's the

story The weaker people that's the
definition of genocide um the actions

definition of genocide um the actions

definition of genocide um the actions
that they are taking fulfill the

that they are taking fulfill the

that they are taking fulfill the
definition of genocide the people

definition of genocide the people

definition of genocide the people
writing the genocide convention were the

writing the genocide convention were the

writing the genocide convention were the
victims of the Holocaust they knew what

victims of the Holocaust they knew what

victims of the Holocaust they knew what
they were doing they didn't require that

they were doing they didn't require that

they were doing they didn't require that
the population be being incinerated in

the population be being incinerated in

the population be being incinerated in
order to start to say it was a genocide

order to start to say it was a genocide

order to start to say it was a genocide
they they put the bar slightly before

they they put the bar slightly before

they they put the bar slightly before
that point so they said preventing

that point so they said preventing

that point so they said preventing
births in Group which China is doing um

births in Group which China is doing um

births in Group which China is doing um
subject

subject

subject
systematic subjecting people to torture

systematic subjecting people to torture

systematic subjecting people to torture
which China is doing um those also

which China is doing um those also

which China is doing um those also
constitute genocide removing the

constitute genocide removing the

constitute genocide removing the
children of a population which again re

children of a population which again re

children of a population which again re
both parents in a concentration CH China

both parents in a concentration CH China

both parents in a concentration CH China
is

is

is
doing the IM is the destruction of the

doing the IM is the destruction of the

doing the IM is the destruction of the
weaker people um they're

weaker people um they're

weaker people um they're
taking what they did in Tibet with which

taking what they did in Tibet with which

taking what they did in Tibet with which
the International Community let them

the International Community let them

the International Community let them
away with and they're basically putting

away with and they're basically putting

away with and they're basically putting
it on steroids and applying it in Shin

it on steroids and applying it in Shin

it on steroids and applying it in Shin
Jang are there you mentioned that the

Jang are there you mentioned that the

Jang are there you mentioned that the
reing of children is there is there like

reing of children is there is there like

reing of children is there is there like
forced abortions as well or is

forced abortions as well or is

forced abortions as well or is
that in some cases um it's not even a

that in some cases um it's not even a

that in some cases um it's not even a
forced abortion it's killing the child

forced abortion it's killing the child

forced abortion it's killing the child
immediately after birth um where the

immediately after birth um where the

immediately after birth um where the
pregnancy has gone on for long enough

pregnancy has gone on for long enough

pregnancy has gone on for long enough
that the child is viable

that the child is viable

that the child is viable
sometimes the forced abortion result in

sometimes the forced abortion result in

sometimes the forced abortion result in
a live birth and the child is

killed how important is the Jin Jang

killed how important is the Jin Jang
region for the uh belon Road initiative

region for the uh belon Road initiative

region for the uh belon Road initiative
oh it's

oh it's

oh it's
essential and the Belton Road initiative

essential and the Belton Road initiative

essential and the Belton Road initiative
is China's

is China's

is China's
big development effort and the current

big development effort and the current

big development effort and the current
High Commissioner for human rights uh

High Commissioner for human rights uh

High Commissioner for human rights uh
Michelle bashley was the Latin American

Michelle bashley was the Latin American

Michelle bashley was the Latin American
contact for the belon route initiative

contact for the belon route initiative

contact for the belon route initiative
when she was President of Chile

when she was President of Chile

when she was President of Chile
so she is very committed to belt and

so she is very committed to belt and

so she is very committed to belt and
Road and her country's economy depends

Road and her country's economy depends

Road and her country's economy depends
on

on

on
China and as High Commissioner of course

China and as High Commissioner of course

China and as High Commissioner of course
she's now agreed to never meet with any

she's now agreed to never meet with any

she's now agreed to never meet with any
dissidents that China does not want her

dissidents that China does not want her

dissidents that China does not want her
to meet with there are many

to meet with there are many

to meet with there are many
Communications from the Chinese

Communications from the Chinese

Communications from the Chinese
government thanking Miss bashet and her

government thanking Miss bashet and her

government thanking Miss bashet and her
predecessor Prince a for never meeting

predecessor Prince a for never meeting

predecessor Prince a for never meeting
with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong

with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong

with weager Tibetan Taiwanese Hong Kong
activists it's policy it has been policy

activists it's policy it has been policy

activists it's policy it has been policy
for years they simply don't do it they

for years they simply don't do it they

for years they simply don't do it they
aren't willing to annoy China

aren't willing to annoy China

aren't willing to annoy China
and as I said human rights are rights

and as I said human rights are rights

and as I said human rights are rights
that can only be used by individuals

that can only be used by individuals

that can only be used by individuals
against governments so if a totalitarian

against governments so if a totalitarian

against governments so if a totalitarian
regime that is committing genocide like

regime that is committing genocide like

regime that is committing genocide like
so you might be doing that wrong

so you might be doing that wrong

so you might be doing that wrong
similarly Antonio guas very committed to

similarly Antonio guas very committed to

similarly Antonio guas very committed to
belt and Road uh his peace and

belt and Road uh his peace and

belt and Road uh his peace and
development 20 million years SL fund

development 20 million years SL fund

development 20 million years SL fund
from China is all about belon Road

from China is all about belon Road

from China is all about belon Road
in terms of Natural Resources shinjang

in terms of Natural Resources shinjang

in terms of Natural Resources shinjang
is incredibly Rich it's really at the

is incredibly Rich it's really at the

is incredibly Rich it's really at the
cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's

cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's

cruxs of Bel Road initiative um it's
it's where everything gets transported

it's where everything gets transported

it's where everything gets transported
through China desperately needs to hang

through China desperately needs to hang

through China desperately needs to hang
on to Shin Jang China could not afford

on to Shin Jang China could not afford

on to Shin Jang China could not afford
to have the weaker Independence Movement

to have the weaker Independence Movement

to have the weaker Independence Movement
be successful um it's an incredibly Rich

be successful um it's an incredibly Rich

be successful um it's an incredibly Rich
region um in terms of coal in terms of

region um in terms of coal in terms of

region um in terms of coal in terms of
oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms

oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms

oil and gas in terms of cotton in terms
of Natural Resources wind energy

of Natural Resources wind energy

of Natural Resources wind energy
Renewables it's all there

Renewables it's all there

Renewables it's all there
so part of its effort in this genocide

so part of its effort in this genocide

so part of its effort in this genocide
is to very quickly shift the

is to very quickly shift the

is to very quickly shift the
demographics so for example now Tibet is

demographics so for example now Tibet is

demographics so for example now Tibet is
majority hand Chinese and the aim is to

majority hand Chinese and the aim is to

majority hand Chinese and the aim is to
make the weaker region the same so if

make the weaker region the same so if

make the weaker region the same so if
you look at the birth rates the areas

you look at the birth rates the areas

you look at the birth rates the areas
that are majority weaker have plummeting

that are majority weaker have plummeting

that are majority weaker have plummeting
birth threats and the mixed areas

birth threats and the mixed areas

birth threats and the mixed areas
they're plummeting less there's a very

they're plummeting less there's a very

they're plummeting less there's a very
much targeted demographic change and

much targeted demographic change and

much targeted demographic change and
they want that happening

they want that happening

they want that happening
quickly it feels like much of the world

quickly it feels like much of the world

quickly it feels like much of the world
still doesn't know about this issue and

still doesn't know about this issue and

still doesn't know about this issue and
the ones that have heard about it here

the ones that have heard about it here

the ones that have heard about it here
ring an article or two struggle to

ring an article or two struggle to

ring an article or two struggle to
really comprehend the gravity of it and

really comprehend the gravity of it and

really comprehend the gravity of it and
believe that it's really true and that

believe that it's really true and that

believe that it's really true and that
it's really happening yeah what your

it's really happening yeah what your

it's really happening yeah what your
thoughts on that repeat back a little

thoughts on that repeat back a little

thoughts on that repeat back a little
bit of that I think a lot of the reason

bit of that I think a lot of the reason

bit of that I think a lot of the reason
why people struggle to sort of believe

why people struggle to sort of believe

why people struggle to sort of believe
it's happening is is the idea of never

it's happening is is the idea of never

it's happening is is the idea of never
again surely If This Were happening we

again surely If This Were happening we

again surely If This Were happening we
would be paying more

would be paying more

would be paying more
attention um and part of that is the

attention um and part of that is the

attention um and part of that is the
sort of lack of

sort of lack of

sort of lack of
access you know it's very difficult to

access you know it's very difficult to

access you know it's very difficult to
get into jinjang some incredibly brave

get into jinjang some incredibly brave

get into jinjang some incredibly brave
people who are based there have gone

people who are based there have gone

people who are based there have gone
around the cameras filming where the

around the cameras filming where the

around the cameras filming where the
concentration camps are verifying those

concentration camps are verifying those

concentration camps are verifying those
satellite

satellite

satellite
images but anyone that actually tries to

images but anyone that actually tries to

images but anyone that actually tries to
travel the region is taled by Chinese

travel the region is taled by Chinese

travel the region is taled by Chinese
police is forced back um you know you

police is forced back um you know you

police is forced back um you know you
can go in and have a kind of pkin

can go in and have a kind of pkin

can go in and have a kind of pkin
Village tour but that's it um anyone who

Village tour but that's it um anyone who

Village tour but that's it um anyone who
speaks out outside China knows that if

speaks out outside China knows that if

speaks out outside China knows that if
they dare to speak their families will

they dare to speak their families will

they dare to speak their families will
be targeted some of them incredibly

be targeted some of them incredibly

be targeted some of them incredibly
bravely choose to take that decision for

bravely choose to take that decision for

bravely choose to take that decision for
the sort of greater good but the

the sort of greater good but the

the sort of greater good but the
Heartbreak that that

Heartbreak that that

Heartbreak that that
entails um there's also just the the the

entails um there's also just the the the

entails um there's also just the the the
misinformation

misinformation

misinformation
campaigns um one of the other things my

campaigns um one of the other things my

campaigns um one of the other things my
boss allowed to happen in the UN was for

boss allowed to happen in the UN was for

boss allowed to happen in the UN was for
China outside the Human Rights Council

China outside the Human Rights Council

China outside the Human Rights Council
to have

to have

to have
a an exhibit on Happy People in

a an exhibit on Happy People in

a an exhibit on Happy People in
shinjang um all of those exhibits during

shinjang um all of those exhibits during

shinjang um all of those exhibits during
the Human Rights Council have to be

the Human Rights Council have to be

the Human Rights Council have to be
approved by the UN Secretariat he

approved by the UN Secretariat he

approved by the UN Secretariat he
approved that one the rule is nothing on

approved that one the rule is nothing on

approved that one the rule is nothing on
a country during the Human Rights

a country during the Human Rights

a country during the Human Rights
Council but he allowed there to be that

Council but he allowed there to be that

Council but he allowed there to be that
exhibit again another way of

exhibit again another way of

exhibit again another way of
intimidating weers who are thinking and

intimidating weers who are thinking and

intimidating weers who are thinking and
speaking out into silence even in the

speaking out into silence even in the

speaking out into silence even in the
halls of the UN China controls the

halls of the UN China controls the

halls of the UN China controls the
information

information

information
um I mean it's a very small example and

um I mean it's a very small example and

um I mean it's a very small example and
I'm a very small fish in this

I'm a very small fish in this

I'm a very small fish in this
but every time I tweet anything the

but every time I tweet anything the

but every time I tweet anything the
number of Chinese Bots that kind of come

number of Chinese Bots that kind of come

number of Chinese Bots that kind of come
out of the the woodwork to say no no

out of the the woodwork to say no no

out of the the woodwork to say no no
it's not true there's no there's no

it's not true there's no there's no

it's not true there's no there's no
genocide and Ging it's all a myth um

genocide and Ging it's all a myth um

genocide and Ging it's all a myth um
China employs useful idiots um in the

China employs useful idiots um in the

China employs useful idiots um in the
global North to go around and say that

global North to go around and say that

global North to go around and say that
there is no such thing there's a real

there is no such thing there's a real

there is no such thing there's a real
campaign of making sure that there's

campaign of making sure that there's

campaign of making sure that there's
just enough disinformation for people

just enough disinformation for people

just enough disinformation for people
not to be

not to be

not to be
sure doubt is their product it's kind of

sure doubt is their product it's kind of

sure doubt is their product it's kind of
the tobacco industry did the same thing

the tobacco industry did the same thing

the tobacco industry did the same thing
yeah have you tried to sue the UN and

yeah have you tried to sue the UN and

yeah have you tried to sue the UN and
could you repeat the question back

could you repeat the question back

could you repeat the question back
nobody can see the UN um the UN has

nobody can see the UN um the UN has

nobody can see the UN um the UN has
diplomatic Community everyone that works

diplomatic Community everyone that works

diplomatic Community everyone that works
with the UN has diplomatic immunity when

with the UN has diplomatic immunity when

with the UN has diplomatic immunity when
I worked at the UN I had diplomatic

I worked at the UN I had diplomatic

I worked at the UN I had diplomatic
immunity um the UN was supposed to set

immunity um the UN was supposed to set

immunity um the UN was supposed to set
up a way of suing it in

up a way of suing it in

up a way of suing it in
1946 but apparently they've been very

1946 but apparently they've been very

1946 but apparently they've been very
busy since and never quite got around to

busy since and never quite got around to

busy since and never quite got around to
that so the only court that this can

that so the only court that this can

that so the only court that this can
ever be looked at in is an internal

ever be looked at in is an internal

ever be looked at in is an internal
employment Court in the UN the wakers

employment Court in the UN the wakers

employment Court in the UN the wakers
whose names are handed over can't sue

whose names are handed over can't sue

whose names are handed over can't sue
the UN for replacing their families in

the UN for replacing their families in

the UN for replacing their families in
danger the only place that the UN can be

danger the only place that the UN can be

danger the only place that the UN can be
suit on this is me taking them to court

suit on this is me taking them to court

suit on this is me taking them to court
over the way they've treated me as a

over the way they've treated me as a

over the way they've treated me as a
result of reporting

result of reporting

result of reporting
it but what happens then is that the UN

it but what happens then is that the UN

it but what happens then is that the UN
tells all the member states well look

tells all the member states well look

tells all the member states well look
it's an employment

it's an employment

it's an employment
issue it's not an employment issue it's

issue it's not an employment issue it's

issue it's not an employment issue it's
complicity and genocide complicity and

complicity and genocide complicity and

complicity and genocide complicity and
genocide is not and never will be an

genocide is not and never will be an

genocide is not and never will be an
employment issue the UN can only be

employment issue the UN can only be

employment issue the UN can only be
taken to its internal Court um so I did

taken to its internal Court um so I did

taken to its internal Court um so I did
uh I have several court cases against

uh I have several court cases against

uh I have several court cases against
them in the first court case I had

them in the first court case I had

them in the first court case I had
against the UN um it was found that the

against the UN um it was found that the

against the UN um it was found that the
Secretary General himself and in person

Secretary General himself and in person

Secretary General himself and in person
and not the organization had

and not the organization had

and not the organization had
unilaterally taken a decision not to

unilaterally taken a decision not to

unilaterally taken a decision not to
apply un rules in my

apply un rules in my

apply un rules in my
case the UN didn't like that judgment

case the UN didn't like that judgment

case the UN didn't like that judgment
very much so they got rid of the judge

very much so they got rid of the judge

very much so they got rid of the judge
he was about to rule in two other cases

he was about to rule in two other cases

he was about to rule in two other cases
where he would have revealed in public

where he would have revealed in public

where he would have revealed in public
the un's actual Court position which is

the un's actual Court position which is

the un's actual Court position which is
names are handed to China names continue

names are handed to China names continue

names are handed to China names continue
to be handed to China I am unreasonable

to be handed to China I am unreasonable

to be handed to China I am unreasonable
to think that is a problem when every

to think that is a problem when every

to think that is a problem when every
senior manager knows and has done

senior manager knows and has done

senior manager knows and has done
nothing um they literally fired the

nothing um they literally fired the

nothing um they literally fired the
judge from one day to the next he had

judge from one day to the next he had

judge from one day to the next he had
written his judgments the UN had seen

written his judgments the UN had seen

written his judgments the UN had seen
the content of this judgments he was

the content of this judgments he was

the content of this judgments he was
told by a un staff member not to come to

told by a un staff member not to come to

told by a un staff member not to come to
work the next day so rather than let the

work the next day so rather than let the

work the next day so rather than let the
Justice be served and they went to the

Justice be served and they went to the

Justice be served and they went to the
extent to fire the judge who was going

extent to fire the judge who was going

extent to fire the judge who was going
to potentially give you the winning case

to potentially give you the winning case

to potentially give you the winning case
and and change things they that that's

and and change things they that that's

and and change things they that that's
that's that's doesn't happen often does

that's that's doesn't happen often does

that's that's doesn't happen often does
it it's the act of a totalitarian state

it it's the act of a totalitarian state

it it's the act of a totalitarian state
it does occasionally happen in countries

it does occasionally happen in countries

it does occasionally happen in countries
like China um Eritrea North Korea um but

like China um Eritrea North Korea um but

like China um Eritrea North Korea um but
this is in the UN that they're do this

this is in the UN that they're do this

this is in the UN that they're do this
this is the UN um rule of law is

this is the UN um rule of law is

this is the UN um rule of law is
something in the UN that I worked on a

something in the UN that I worked on a

something in the UN that I worked on a
lot and I was advocating with member

lot and I was advocating with member

lot and I was advocating with member
states to implement systems where nobody

states to implement systems where nobody

states to implement systems where nobody
was above the law where judges had fixed

was above the law where judges had fixed

was above the law where judges had fixed
terms um where there wasn't any

terms um where there wasn't any

terms um where there wasn't any
interference etc etc none of that

interference etc etc none of that

interference etc etc none of that
applies

applies

applies
internally under Antonio teras the UN

internally under Antonio teras the UN

internally under Antonio teras the UN
has run frankly more like a totalitarian

has run frankly more like a totalitarian

has run frankly more like a totalitarian
regime than a system with the rule of

regime than a system with the rule of

regime than a system with the rule of
law and I think if most people knew that

law and I think if most people knew that

law and I think if most people knew that
they would be horrified but because

they would be horrified but because

they would be horrified but because
there isn't any external oversight

there isn't any external oversight

there isn't any external oversight
because nobody actually understands how

because nobody actually understands how

because nobody actually understands how
the UN operates people just assume it

the UN operates people just assume it

the UN operates people just assume it
must be doing a good job we must be the

must be doing a good job we must be the

must be doing a good job we must be the
good

good

good
guys could you talk about the growing

guys could you talk about the growing

guys could you talk about the growing
influence that China has over different

influence that China has over different

influence that China has over different
Departments of the UN and why that is

Departments of the UN and why that is

Departments of the UN and why that is
potentially problematic sure um I mean I

potentially problematic sure um I mean I

potentially problematic sure um I mean I
think there's always a focus on Chinese

think there's always a focus on Chinese

think there's always a focus on Chinese
Nationals leading an Oran organization I

Nationals leading an Oran organization I

Nationals leading an Oran organization I
think that what I reported shows that it

think that what I reported shows that it

think that what I reported shows that it
isn't necessary for there to be Chinese

isn't necessary for there to be Chinese

isn't necessary for there to be Chinese
Nationals it's just necessary for there

Nationals it's just necessary for there

Nationals it's just necessary for there
to be influence of Chinese Communist

to be influence of Chinese Communist

to be influence of Chinese Communist
Party the issue is that there's a sort

Party the issue is that there's a sort

Party the issue is that there's a sort
of dual

of dual

of dual
loyalty um if you know that if you

loyalty um if you know that if you

loyalty um if you know that if you
displease the Chinese Communist party

displease the Chinese Communist party

displease the Chinese Communist party
you or your family could be

you or your family could be

you or your family could be
arrested then you may not be entirely

arrested then you may not be entirely

arrested then you may not be entirely
loyal to the principles of the United

loyal to the principles of the United

loyal to the principles of the United
Nations you're meant to be

Nations you're meant to be

Nations you're meant to be
upholding and I think that any Chinese

upholding and I think that any Chinese

upholding and I think that any Chinese
official that is ahead of un

official that is ahead of un

official that is ahead of un
organization must have the constant fear

organization must have the constant fear

organization must have the constant fear
that if they don't do as the Chinese

that if they don't do as the Chinese

that if they don't do as the Chinese
Communist Party tells them they could

Communist Party tells them they could

Communist Party tells them they could
face the same fate as the former head of

face the same fate as the former head of

face the same fate as the former head of
Interpol um he was on a trip to China in

Interpol um he was on a trip to China in

Interpol um he was on a trip to China in
2018 and was effectively kidnapped the

2018 and was effectively kidnapped the

2018 and was effectively kidnapped the
last message he sent to his wife was an

last message he sent to his wife was an

last message he sent to his wife was an
emoticon of a

emoticon of a

emoticon of a
knife and she hasn't heard from him

knife and she hasn't heard from him

knife and she hasn't heard from him
since and he now languishes in a Chinese

since and he now languishes in a Chinese

since and he now languishes in a Chinese
prison and the member states that

prison and the member states that

prison and the member states that
elected him to that post have basically

elected him to that post have basically

elected him to that post have basically
done nothing about it so the message is

done nothing about it so the message is

done nothing about it so the message is
clear if you're a Chinese head of a un

clear if you're a Chinese head of a un

clear if you're a Chinese head of a un
organization you'd better do what the

organization you'd better do what the

organization you'd better do what the
Chinese Communist party wants or you

Chinese Communist party wants or you

Chinese Communist party wants or you
will pay the price do you have anything

will pay the price do you have anything

will pay the price do you have anything
to say about covid and its outbreak and

to say about covid and its outbreak and

to say about covid and its outbreak and
the investigation by The Who and China's

the investigation by The Who and China's

the investigation by The Who and China's
willingness to cooperate on

willingness to cooperate on

willingness to cooperate on
that um

that um

that um
yeah I mean the the who like most UN

yeah I mean the the who like most UN

yeah I mean the the who like most UN
agencies is quite beholden to China um

agencies is quite beholden to China um

agencies is quite beholden to China um
China sends regular uh notel saying

China sends regular uh notel saying

China sends regular uh notel saying
whether or not Taiwan will get to

whether or not Taiwan will get to

whether or not Taiwan will get to
participate this time um warning other

participate this time um warning other

participate this time um warning other
un agencies not to engage with any

un agencies not to engage with any

un agencies not to engage with any
Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was

Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was

Taiwanese authorities um and Taiwan was
excluded from The Who on the

excluded from The Who on the

excluded from The Who on the
instructions of China which certainly

instructions of China which certainly

instructions of China which certainly
legally doesn't seem something China

legally doesn't seem something China

legally doesn't seem something China
excuse me have the right to do the wh

excuse me have the right to do the wh

excuse me have the right to do the wh
considered taiwan's

membership

membership
hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I

hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I

hello we the we I'm sorry I can't hear I
couldn't hear your question all okay

couldn't hear your question all okay

couldn't hear your question all okay
yeah let me let me let me repeat the

yeah let me let me let me repeat the

yeah let me let me let me repeat the
question no that's okay let's move to

question no that's okay let's move to

question no that's okay let's move to
another one then right because because

another one then right because because

another one then right because because
I'm I'm actually curious on talking

I'm I'm actually curious on talking

I'm I'm actually curious on talking
about Taiwan as well on taiwan's case

what happened with the Corona virus

what happened with the Corona virus
outbreak and the investigation that the

outbreak and the investigation that the

outbreak and the investigation that the
wh LED were they uh the who led

wh LED were they uh the who led

wh LED were they uh the who led
investigation was completely biased from

investigation was completely biased from

investigation was completely biased from
the outset um the people leading the

the outset um the people leading the

the outset um the people leading the
investigation appointed by the wh had

investigation appointed by the wh had

investigation appointed by the wh had
very close relationships with the

very close relationships with the

very close relationships with the
laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was

laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was

laboratory in Wuhan that certainly was
one of the potential sources um of the

one of the potential sources um of the

one of the potential sources um of the
virus um

virus um

virus um
they certainly didn't do I think even

they certainly didn't do I think even

they certainly didn't do I think even
the head of the who has now admitted

the head of the who has now admitted

the head of the who has now admitted
that they did not look closely enough at

that they did not look closely enough at

that they did not look closely enough at
the potential of a lab

the potential of a lab

the potential of a lab
outbreak um and effectively were too

outbreak um and effectively were too

outbreak um and effectively were too
willing to accept constraints from the

willing to accept constraints from the

willing to accept constraints from the
Chinese Authorities on what they

Chinese Authorities on what they

Chinese Authorities on what they
shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not

shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not

shouldn't shouldn't look at um it's not
out of the question then that there

out of the question then that there

out of the question then that there
could be a cover

could be a cover

could be a cover
up with when with the coronavirus

up with when with the coronavirus

up with when with the coronavirus
outbreak which the UN who was part of it

outbreak which the UN who was part of it

outbreak which the UN who was part of it
certainly isn't out of the question and

certainly isn't out of the question and

certainly isn't out of the question and
um I have been contacted by someone who

um I have been contacted by someone who

um I have been contacted by someone who
is currently authoring a report about

is currently authoring a report about

is currently authoring a report about
covid for another UN agency who is

covid for another UN agency who is

covid for another UN agency who is
seeking advice on how to blow the

seeking advice on how to blow the

seeking advice on how to blow the
whistle which I think speaks for itself

whistle which I think speaks for itself

whistle which I think speaks for itself
so you are connected to someone who

so you are connected to someone who

so you are connected to someone who
could blow the whistle on an expose

could blow the whistle on an expose

could blow the whistle on an expose
regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and

regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and

regarding coronavirus outbreak yes and
China's involvement and and the who's

China's involvement and and the who's

China's involvement and and the who's
involvement it's a different agency okay

involvement it's a different agency okay

involvement it's a different agency okay
a different UN agency which could be

a different UN agency which could be

a different UN agency which could be
involved with China and covering

involved with China and covering

involved with China and covering
up certainly um Chinese edits are being

up certainly um Chinese edits are being

up certainly um Chinese edits are being
accepted on a

accepted on a

accepted on a
report regarding the Corona virus is

report regarding the Corona virus is

report regarding the Corona virus is
there any more you can share about this

there any more you can share about this

there any more you can share about this
currently no but um I have suggested

currently no but um I have suggested

currently no but um I have suggested
that the man like like to be in touch

that the man like like to be in touch

that the man like like to be in touch
with

with

with
you I'll tell that to when you first um

you I'll tell that to when you first um

you I'll tell that to when you first um
were about to work for the UN or as you

were about to work for the UN or as you

were about to work for the UN or as you
were starting to work for the UN did you

were starting to work for the UN did you

were starting to work for the UN did you
at the time believe that it was um a

at the time believe that it was um a

at the time believe that it was um a
great organization that wasn't corrupt

great organization that wasn't corrupt

great organization that wasn't corrupt
in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what

in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what

in or or wasn't mly corrupt is that what
you believed yeah when I first started

you believed yeah when I first started

you believed yeah when I first started
working for the United Nations I thought

working for the United Nations I thought

working for the United Nations I thought
that most of my colleagues would be like

that most of my colleagues would be like

that most of my colleagues would be like
me um would be there because they wanted

me um would be there because they wanted

me um would be there because they wanted
to affect fundamental change in the

to affect fundamental change in the

to affect fundamental change in the
world because they believed

world because they believed

world because they believed
fundamentally in human rights and yeah

fundamentally in human rights and yeah

fundamentally in human rights and yeah
that you know I was working for the

that you know I was working for the

that you know I was working for the
office of the UN High Commissioner for

office of the UN High Commissioner for

office of the UN High Commissioner for
human rights I thought that we would all

human rights I thought that we would all

human rights I thought that we would all
be on the same

be on the same

be on the same
page was that not the reality no um very

page was that not the reality no um very

page was that not the reality no um very
early it became clear that it was a lot

early it became clear that it was a lot

early it became clear that it was a lot
more political um obviously i' expected

more political um obviously i' expected

more political um obviously i' expected
some politics but the idea is that human

some politics but the idea is that human

some politics but the idea is that human
rights laws are supposed to be kind of

rights laws are supposed to be kind of

rights laws are supposed to be kind of
the be all and end all the you you can't

the be all and end all the you you can't

the be all and end all the you you can't
breach those they the ultimate source of

breach those they the ultimate source of

breach those they the ultimate source of
international law um there aren't

international law um there aren't

international law um there aren't
circumstances in which it suddenly

circumstances in which it suddenly

circumstances in which it suddenly
becomes a to torture someone um and what

becomes a to torture someone um and what

becomes a to torture someone um and what
I was seeing was a lot of compromise

I was seeing was a lot of compromise

I was seeing was a lot of compromise
happening about and it started with

happening about and it started with

happening about and it started with
things like the contents of reports

things like the contents of reports

things like the contents of reports
would be changed because particular

would be changed because particular

would be changed because particular
state was

state was

state was
upset um

upset um

upset um
and then I realized that it was actually

and then I realized that it was actually

and then I realized that it was actually
much worse than that um there's a

much worse than that um there's a

much worse than that um there's a
fundamental part of the UN Charter that

fundamental part of the UN Charter that

fundamental part of the UN Charter that
says that if you work for the UN you

says that if you work for the UN you

says that if you work for the UN you
effectively forget everything else that

effectively forget everything else that

effectively forget everything else that
your entire loyalty is to the Charter um

your entire loyalty is to the Charter um

your entire loyalty is to the Charter um
so you don't think about kind of what

so you don't think about kind of what

so you don't think about kind of what
your nationality is or what other

your nationality is or what other

your nationality is or what other
governments might want you to do that

governments might want you to do that

governments might want you to do that
you just work to implement the UN

you just work to implement the UN

you just work to implement the UN
Charter um and it was very clear that

Charter um and it was very clear that

Charter um and it was very clear that
very few colleagues were actually doing

very few colleagues were actually doing

very few colleagues were actually doing
that and it was much more about pleasing

that and it was much more about pleasing

that and it was much more about pleasing
specific powerful member states in order

specific powerful member states in order

specific powerful member states in order
to advance one's own career I think I

to advance one's own career I think I

to advance one's own career I think I
realized everything wasn't as it seemed

realized everything wasn't as it seemed

realized everything wasn't as it seemed
relatively early on um one of my other

relatively early on um one of my other

relatively early on um one of my other
rules in the UN was actually to work to

rules in the UN was actually to work to

rules in the UN was actually to work to
the sort of backend of recruitment

the sort of backend of recruitment

the sort of backend of recruitment
and I basically realized that every

and I basically realized that every

and I basically realized that every
single post was sewn up in advance and

single post was sewn up in advance and

single post was sewn up in advance and
that these deals were being done between

that these deals were being done between

that these deals were being done between
people you know there's a rule in the UN

people you know there's a rule in the UN

people you know there's a rule in the UN
that you can't hire your own children so

that you can't hire your own children so

that you can't hire your own children so
what they did was they hir other

what they did was they hir other

what they did was they hir other
people's kids and did these kind of

people's kids and did these kind of

people's kids and did these kind of
diagonals um so you know my boss hired

diagonals um so you know my boss hired

diagonals um so you know my boss hired
the daughter of the head of the

the daughter of the head of the

the daughter of the head of the
international labor organization and he

international labor organization and he

international labor organization and he
hired his daughter and it was just that

hired his daughter and it was just that

hired his daughter and it was just that
kind of level of nepotism the question

kind of level of nepotism the question

kind of level of nepotism the question
that you get asked when you joined the

that you get asked when you joined the

that you get asked when you joined the
UN is kind of where did you work and who

UN is kind of where did you work and who

UN is kind of where did you work and who
got you your job basically and I was one

got you your job basically and I was one

got you your job basically and I was one
of a very few that had genuinely just

of a very few that had genuinely just

of a very few that had genuinely just
applied online when the job announcement

applied online when the job announcement

applied online when the job announcement
came out and got it how uh I later found

came out and got it how uh I later found

came out and got it how uh I later found
out what had happened was that even for

out what had happened was that even for

out what had happened was that even for
the UN the

the UN the

the UN the
attempted sort of recruitment on that on

attempted sort of recruitment on that on

attempted sort of recruitment on that on
that post was so bad that the High

that post was so bad that the High

that post was so bad that the High
Commissioner had intervened So what had

Commissioner had intervened So what had

Commissioner had intervened So what had
happened is that my boss Eric titin had

happened is that my boss Eric titin had

happened is that my boss Eric titin had
put up up a single name so there are

put up up a single name so there are

put up up a single name so there are
30,000 applicants for this post and he

30,000 applicants for this post and he

30,000 applicants for this post and he
says there is one qualified applicant

says there is one qualified applicant

says there is one qualified applicant
and sends up that name to the High

and sends up that name to the High

and sends up that name to the High
Commissioner and she sent it back down

Commissioner and she sent it back down

Commissioner and she sent it back down
and said

and said

and said
please um you know at least interview a

please um you know at least interview a

please um you know at least interview a
few people off the roster so as said I

few people off the roster so as said I

few people off the roster so as said I
was on that roster and they interviewed

was on that roster and they interviewed

was on that roster and they interviewed
eight people off the roster and then

eight people off the roster and then

eight people off the roster and then
they put his name first of course and me

they put his name first of course and me

they put his name first of course and me
as a second choice she then reversed the

as a second choice she then reversed the

as a second choice she then reversed the
order so it was a complete accident from

order so it was a complete accident from

order so it was a complete accident from
the un's perspective that I ended up

the un's perspective that I ended up

the un's perspective that I ended up
employed there but

employed there but

employed there but
I think that's actually a story that's

I think that's actually a story that's

I think that's actually a story that's
quite common to whistleblowers the

quite common to whistleblowers the

quite common to whistleblowers the
people who end up entering the UN whose

people who end up entering the UN whose

people who end up entering the UN whose
loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and

loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and

loyalty genuinely is to the Charter and
not to whoever got their job tend to be

not to whoever got their job tend to be

not to whoever got their job tend to be
the ones that report the corruption in

the ones that report the corruption in

the ones that report the corruption in
the perhaps slightly naive belief that

the perhaps slightly naive belief that

the perhaps slightly naive belief that
member states might care so basically

member states might care so basically

member states might care so basically
you know we are the unicorns we are the

you know we are the unicorns we are the

you know we are the unicorns we are the
ones that didn't know anybody got our

ones that didn't know anybody got our

ones that didn't know anybody got our
jobs just by applying and we're the ones

jobs just by applying and we're the ones

jobs just by applying and we're the ones
that blow the whistle we're the ones

that blow the whistle we're the ones

that blow the whistle we're the ones
that go external and say something is

that go external and say something is

that go external and say something is
very very wrong because there is

very very wrong because there is

very very wrong because there is
this incredible motivation for people

this incredible motivation for people

this incredible motivation for people
who are in the UN to keep that job it is

who are in the UN to keep that job it is

who are in the UN to keep that job it is
very well-paying uh free private

very well-paying uh free private

very well-paying uh free private
education for your children up to the

education for your children up to the

education for your children up to the
age of 25 free medical insurance private

age of 25 free medical insurance private

age of 25 free medical insurance private
anywhere in the world at any time it is

anywhere in the world at any time it is

anywhere in the world at any time it is
ridiculously

ridiculously

ridiculously
lucrative um you don't pay tax you have

lucrative um you don't pay tax you have

lucrative um you don't pay tax you have
diplomatic

diplomatic

diplomatic
immunity um it's a very cushy game big

immunity um it's a very cushy game big

immunity um it's a very cushy game big
the UN especially at highest levels the

the UN especially at highest levels the

the UN especially at highest levels the
wages are ridiculous they're higher than

wages are ridiculous they're higher than

wages are ridiculous they're higher than
most sort of prime ministers earn in the

most sort of prime ministers earn in the

most sort of prime ministers earn in the
world and people want to get their

world and people want to get their

world and people want to get their
friends in so they design jobs so that

friends in so they design jobs so that

friends in so they design jobs so that
they can hire their friends jobs are

they can hire their friends jobs are

they can hire their friends jobs are
regularly Rewritten so that the

regularly Rewritten so that the

regularly Rewritten so that the
girlfriend whoever is writing the job

girlfriend whoever is writing the job

girlfriend whoever is writing the job
can get it um it is just a level of

can get it um it is just a level of

can get it um it is just a level of
corruption that is

corruption that is

corruption that is
unbelievable and it's just accepted at

unbelievable and it's just accepted at

unbelievable and it's just accepted at
the highest

the highest

the highest
levels um when I reported it I mean I I

levels um when I reported it I mean I I

levels um when I reported it I mean I I
went to the head of human resources and

went to the head of human resources and

went to the head of human resources and
said hey you know because I assumed it

said hey you know because I assumed it

said hey you know because I assumed it
was just in my department and I was like

was just in my department and I was like

was just in my department and I was like
well in a Human Rights Council Branch

well in a Human Rights Council Branch

well in a Human Rights Council Branch
every single job is sewn up in advance

every single job is sewn up in advance

every single job is sewn up in advance
like literally they're telling us who's

like literally they're telling us who's

like literally they're telling us who's
getting the job at the end of it all

getting the job at the end of it all

getting the job at the end of it all
these people applying all these people

these people applying all these people

these people applying all these people
going through interviews for nothing and

going through interviews for nothing and

going through interviews for nothing and
I was basically told that because I

I was basically told that because I

I was basically told that because I
wasn't an applicant for the job I had no

wasn't an applicant for the job I had no

wasn't an applicant for the job I had no
legal standing to complain about it and

legal standing to complain about it and

legal standing to complain about it and
therefore Human Resources didn't care

therefore Human Resources didn't care

therefore Human Resources didn't care
the UN ethics office is supposed to

the UN ethics office is supposed to

the UN ethics office is supposed to
protect whistleblowers so at the moment

protect whistleblowers so at the moment

protect whistleblowers so at the moment
when I was declared to be a

when I was declared to be a

when I was declared to be a
whistleblower in July 2020 they were

whistleblower in July 2020 they were

whistleblower in July 2020 they were
meant to take action to protect me it

meant to take action to protect me it

meant to take action to protect me it
was meant to be an investigation people

was meant to be an investigation people

was meant to be an investigation people
were meant to be held responsible none

were meant to be held responsible none

were meant to be held responsible none
of that happened instead the UN

of that happened instead the UN

of that happened instead the UN
investigated me for whistleblowing and

investigated me for whistleblowing and

investigated me for whistleblowing and
fired me for whistle blowing firing

fired me for whistle blowing firing

fired me for whistle blowing firing
someone is the ultimate Act of

someone is the ultimate Act of

someone is the ultimate Act of
retaliation in an employment

retaliation in an employment

retaliation in an employment
relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics

relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics

relationship so I wrote to the UN ethics
office and asked them to fulfill their

office and asked them to fulfill their

office and asked them to fulfill their
mandate and protect me as a wh l and

mandate and protect me as a wh l and

mandate and protect me as a wh l and
they wrote back and said that they don't

they wrote back and said that they don't

they wrote back and said that they don't
deal with members of the public so all

deal with members of the public so all

deal with members of the public so all
you have to do in the UN if you want to

you have to do in the UN if you want to

you have to do in the UN if you want to
retaliate against whistleblower is fire

retaliate against whistleblower is fire

retaliate against whistleblower is fire
them

them

them
immediately the reason for the culture

immediately the reason for the culture

immediately the reason for the culture
of Silence the UN is twofold first of

of Silence the UN is twofold first of

of Silence the UN is twofold first of
all There's an actual rule

all There's an actual rule

all There's an actual rule
um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian

um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian

um very Kafkaesque virging or Willian
but there is a rule in the UN that you

but there is a rule in the UN that you

but there is a rule in the UN that you
are not allowed to say anything public

are not allowed to say anything public

are not allowed to say anything public
that could make the UN look bad doesn't

that could make the UN look bad doesn't

that could make the UN look bad doesn't
matter if what you're saying is true you

matter if what you're saying is true you

matter if what you're saying is true you
just shouldn't mention anything could

just shouldn't mention anything could

just shouldn't mention anything could
make the UN look bad

make the UN look bad

make the UN look bad
and you can be fired if you break that

and you can be fired if you break that

and you can be fired if you break that
rule um the second reason is something

rule um the second reason is something

rule um the second reason is something
called the no principle and that's the

called the no principle and that's the

called the no principle and that's the
idea that the UN should be the most

idea that the UN should be the most

idea that the UN should be the most
attractive civil service to work for so

attractive civil service to work for so

attractive civil service to work for so
we're paid like the Americans we have

we're paid like the Americans we have

we're paid like the Americans we have
the Social Services of the

the Social Services of the

the Social Services of the
Swedish every Advantage is there free

Swedish every Advantage is there free

Swedish every Advantage is there free
private education for your children

private education for your children

private education for your children
until they reach the age of 25 anywhere

until they reach the age of 25 anywhere

until they reach the age of 25 anywhere
in the

in the

in the
world um flights back home every few

world um flights back home every few

world um flights back home every few
years uh if you're working somewhere

years uh if you're working somewhere

years uh if you're working somewhere
even vaguely dangerous you get sort of

even vaguely dangerous you get sort of

even vaguely dangerous you get sort of
rest and recuperation days um the

rest and recuperation days um the

rest and recuperation days um the
salaries are crazy um and nobody's

salaries are crazy um and nobody's

salaries are crazy um and nobody's
actually expecting you to do much work

actually expecting you to do much work

actually expecting you to do much work
for that salary in fact doing work is

for that salary in fact doing work is

for that salary in fact doing work is
actively kind of discouraged in some

actively kind of discouraged in some

actively kind of discouraged in some
areas you know certainly they didn't

areas you know certainly they didn't

areas you know certainly they didn't
want me to be trying to protect the

want me to be trying to protect the

want me to be trying to protect the
human rights of the NGS participating in

human rights of the NGS participating in

human rights of the NGS participating in
the council much rather that I just went

the council much rather that I just went

the council much rather that I just went
along with the paper P paper pushing so

along with the paper P paper pushing so

along with the paper P paper pushing so
the people that are meant to be in

the people that are meant to be in

the people that are meant to be in
charge of essentially human rights for

charge of essentially human rights for

charge of essentially human rights for
the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about

the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about

the world M don't give a [\h__\h] about
human rights yeah it's just a kushy job

human rights yeah it's just a kushy job

human rights yeah it's just a kushy job
that the relative that they're part of

that the relative that they're part of

that the relative that they're part of
some uh I don't know aristocratic family

some uh I don't know aristocratic family

some uh I don't know aristocratic family
got them into a lot of the time yeah um

got them into a lot of the time yeah um

got them into a lot of the time yeah um
I mean a lot is made of the sort of

I mean a lot is made of the sort of

I mean a lot is made of the sort of
geographic balance within the office of

geographic balance within the office of

geographic balance within the office of
the high commission for human rights but

the high commission for human rights but

the high commission for human rights but
I mean how diverse is a system where

I mean how diverse is a system where

I mean how diverse is a system where
almost everyone is the child of an

almost everyone is the child of an

almost everyone is the child of an
Ambassador um you know is that really

Ambassador um you know is that really

Ambassador um you know is that really
the diversity that we're looking for

the diversity that we're looking for

the diversity that we're looking for
most people have this really positive

most people have this really positive

most people have this really positive
view of the United Nations I mean you

view of the United Nations I mean you

view of the United Nations I mean you
know Antonio guaris is effectively some

know Antonio guaris is effectively some

know Antonio guaris is effectively some
kind of secular Pope um we're you know

kind of secular Pope um we're you know

kind of secular Pope um we're you know
we're the good guys my title was UN

we're the good guys my title was UN

we're the good guys my title was UN
Human Rights officer and I think even

Human Rights officer and I think even

Human Rights officer and I think even
within the UN a lot of people kind of

within the UN a lot of people kind of

within the UN a lot of people kind of
assume that because they're doing it

assume that because they're doing it

assume that because they're doing it
it's there for the right thing just

it's there for the right thing just

it's there for the right thing just
because they have that title and the way

because they have that title and the way

because they have that title and the way
people view them

people view them

people view them
but I mean the reality on the ground of

but I mean the reality on the ground of

but I mean the reality on the ground of
un missions is that there's a lot of

un missions is that there's a lot of

un missions is that there's a lot of
conflict with local populations so

conflict with local populations so

conflict with local populations so
you've got these populations that are

you've got these populations that are

you've got these populations that are
supposed to be the beneficiaries of all

supposed to be the beneficiaries of all

supposed to be the beneficiaries of all
of this wonderful un action who are

of this wonderful un action who are

of this wonderful un action who are
objecting to the way that is been

objecting to the way that is been

objecting to the way that is been
carried out within the UN child sex

carried out within the UN child sex

carried out within the UN child sex
abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing

abuse is seen as a cost of doing
business instead of setting up systems

business instead of setting up systems

business instead of setting up systems
to actually stop the abuse we now have

to actually stop the abuse we now have

to actually stop the abuse we now have
this victims commissioner that's there

this victims commissioner that's there

this victims commissioner that's there
to kind of effectively provide some form

to kind of effectively provide some form

to kind of effectively provide some form
of compens compensation to victims of

of compens compensation to victims of

of compens compensation to victims of
sexual exploitation and abuse by un

sexual exploitation and abuse by un

sexual exploitation and abuse by un
civilian forces civilian staff or un

civilian forces civilian staff or un

civilian forces civilian staff or un
peacekeepers and it's things like you

peacekeepers and it's things like you

peacekeepers and it's things like you
know we're sorry our staff raped you but

know we're sorry our staff raped you but

know we're sorry our staff raped you but
have a sewing

have a sewing

have a sewing
machine and we'll train you to use this

machine and we'll train you to use this

machine and we'll train you to use this
in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited

in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited

in hiti the UN brought Cera and cited
diplomatic immunity to never be held

diplomatic immunity to never be held

diplomatic immunity to never be held
responsible for that diplomatic

responsible for that diplomatic

responsible for that diplomatic
Community is cited in cases of child sex

Community is cited in cases of child sex

Community is cited in cases of child sex
abuse people are not arrested by local

abuse people are not arrested by local

abuse people are not arrested by local
authorities the UN does these kind of

authorities the UN does these kind of

authorities the UN does these kind of
internal investigations which are

internal investigations which are

internal investigations which are
designed to be

designed to be

designed to be
ineffective I mean there was a big

ineffective I mean there was a big

ineffective I mean there was a big
Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse

Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse

Scandal a few years ago about sex abuse
in Central African Republic the

in Central African Republic the

in Central African Republic the
investigators that they sent in took DNA

investigators that they sent in took DNA

investigators that they sent in took DNA
samples to prove that children had been

samples to prove that children had been

samples to prove that children had been
faed by peacekeepers they then stored

faed by peacekeepers they then stored

faed by peacekeepers they then stored
those DNA samples in metal filing

those DNA samples in metal filing

those DNA samples in metal filing
cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms

cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms

cabinets in non-air conditioned rooms
for 6

for 6

for 6
months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even

months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even

months now I'm no bi ol ologist but even
I can tell you that there's nothing

I can tell you that there's nothing

I can tell you that there's nothing
that's going to survive that there's

that's going to survive that there's

that's going to survive that there's
going to be no usable DNA they lost

going to be no usable DNA they lost

going to be no usable DNA they lost
track of the kids every time the UN says

track of the kids every time the UN says

track of the kids every time the UN says
we can't find any of these victims of

we can't find any of these victims of

we can't find any of these victims of
abuse two journalists go in and can find

abuse two journalists go in and can find

abuse two journalists go in and can find
you 50 in a

you 50 in a

you 50 in a
day there's no effort to find the

day there's no effort to find the

day there's no effort to find the
victims of the un's abuses and it's in

victims of the un's abuses and it's in

victims of the un's abuses and it's in
everyone's interest to close their eyes

everyone's interest to close their eyes

everyone's interest to close their eyes
prostitution increases every time

prostitution increases every time

prostitution increases every time
there's a un Mission nearby

there's a un Mission nearby

there's a un Mission nearby
um survival prostitution is not

um survival prostitution is not

um survival prostitution is not
something you should be encouraging and

something you should be encouraging and

something you should be encouraging and
yet there it

yet there it

yet there it
is

is

is
um

um

um
it's yeah there's huge amounts of

it's yeah there's huge amounts of

it's yeah there's huge amounts of
coverups when anything goes wrong

coverups when anything goes wrong

coverups when anything goes wrong
because you're dealing a lot of the time

because you're dealing a lot of the time

because you're dealing a lot of the time
with areas where the UN are really the

with areas where the UN are really the

with areas where the UN are really the
only ones on the ground so a lot of

only ones on the ground so a lot of

only ones on the ground so a lot of
times even National embassies aren't

times even National embassies aren't

times even National embassies aren't
there but the UN still is so there's not

there but the UN still is so there's not

there but the UN still is so there's not
really anyone looking and seeing what's

really anyone looking and seeing what's

really anyone looking and seeing what's
happening um for a multi-billion dollar

happening um for a multi-billion dollar

happening um for a multi-billion dollar
organization you don't have any external

organization you don't have any external

organization you don't have any external
oversight at

oversight at

oversight at
all um everything relies on the UN

all um everything relies on the UN

all um everything relies on the UN
self-reporting

self-reporting

self-reporting
and member states only really get true

and member states only really get true

and member states only really get true
information when a whistleblower comes

information when a whistleblower comes

information when a whistleblower comes
forward but every whistleblower who

forward but every whistleblower who

forward but every whistleblower who
comes forward knows they are going to be

comes forward knows they are going to be

comes forward knows they are going to be
fired and again it's a cushy number a

fired and again it's a cushy number a

fired and again it's a cushy number a
lot of people choose not to

lot of people choose not to

lot of people choose not to
know and it's very easy within the UN to

know and it's very easy within the UN to

know and it's very easy within the UN to
decide that you're not going to see

decide that you're not going to see

decide that you're not going to see
things another whistle in the office of

things another whistle in the office of

things another whistle in the office of
the commission for Human Rights was a

the commission for Human Rights was a

the commission for Human Rights was a
man called Andrew compus who was the

man called Andrew compus who was the

man called Andrew compus who was the
head of the department basically dealing

head of the department basically dealing

head of the department basically dealing
with member states and field offices and

with member states and field offices and

with member states and field offices and
he became aware that French peacekeepers

he became aware that French peacekeepers

he became aware that French peacekeepers
were abusing children in Central African

were abusing children in Central African

were abusing children in Central African
Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years

Republic so children as young as 8 years
old were being forced to give blow jobs

old were being forced to give blow jobs

old were being forced to give blow jobs
in exchange for food that is Despicable

in exchange for food that is Despicable

in exchange for food that is Despicable
that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is

that is the opposite of what the UN is
supposed to be

supposed to be

supposed to be
doing he was disgusted

doing he was disgusted

doing he was disgusted
so he did exactly what you should do a

so he did exactly what you should do a

so he did exactly what you should do a
crime is being committed by French

crime is being committed by French

crime is being committed by French
peacekeepers so he told the French

peacekeepers so he told the French

peacekeepers so he told the French
because they have jurisdiction to charge

because they have jurisdiction to charge

because they have jurisdiction to charge
those peacekeepers he gave them the

those peacekeepers he gave them the

those peacekeepers he gave them the
names of the children and the names of

names of the children and the names of

names of the children and the names of
the individuals who were abusing the

the individuals who were abusing the

the individuals who were abusing the
children so that they could take

children so that they could take

children so that they could take
criminal action against those

criminal action against those

criminal action against those
people and he was suspended for

people and he was suspended for

people and he was suspended for
that he was marched out of his office by

that he was marched out of his office by

that he was marched out of his office by
un

un

un
security um he was treated like a par

security um he was treated like a par

security um he was treated like a par
and it was another whistleblower a woman

and it was another whistleblower a woman

and it was another whistleblower a woman
called Miranda Brown who blew the

called Miranda Brown who blew the

called Miranda Brown who blew the
whistle on how he was being treated that

whistle on how he was being treated that

whistle on how he was being treated that
eventually managed to force

eventually managed to force

eventually managed to force
investigation of his treatment and that

investigation of his treatment and that

investigation of his treatment and that
investigation found that the former High

investigation found that the former High

investigation found that the former High
Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid

Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid

Commissioner for human rights Prince Sid
who led retaliation against me had gone

who led retaliation against me had gone

who led retaliation against me had gone
against Andrew's compass with a

against Andrew's compass with a

against Andrew's compass with a
single-minded determination that his

single-minded determination that his

single-minded determination that his
only concern had been to shut up The

only concern had been to shut up The

only concern had been to shut up The
Whistleblower not to protect the

Whistleblower not to protect the

Whistleblower not to protect the
children and years later 2 years after

children and years later 2 years after

children and years later 2 years after
he was completely Vindicated but had

he was completely Vindicated but had

he was completely Vindicated but had
still resigned from the UN because of

still resigned from the UN because of

still resigned from the UN because of
course the UN never

course the UN never

course the UN never
apologized a journalist contacted the UN

apologized a journalist contacted the UN

apologized a journalist contacted the UN
and the response of rert kville the same

and the response of rert kville the same

and the response of rert kville the same
spokesperson who regularly abuses me to

spokesperson who regularly abuses me to

spokesperson who regularly abuses me to
the Press was that Andrew Compass was

the Press was that Andrew Compass was

the Press was that Andrew Compass was
the shittiest person he had ever worked

the shittiest person he had ever worked

the shittiest person he had ever worked
with he was D duplicitous despicable in

with he was D duplicitous despicable in

with he was D duplicitous despicable in
bed with the

bed with the

bed with the
French that's how the UN discusses

French that's how the UN discusses

French that's how the UN discusses
whistleblowers and for journalists who

whistleblowers and for journalists who

whistleblowers and for journalists who
get that kind of statement from an

get that kind of statement from an

get that kind of statement from an
organization that's meant to be

organization that's meant to be

organization that's meant to be
diplomatic they assume something's there

diplomatic they assume something's there

diplomatic they assume something's there
and their lawyers won't touch the story

and their lawyers won't touch the story

and their lawyers won't touch the story
everyone that's been involved in these

everyone that's been involved in these

everyone that's been involved in these
coverups whether of child sex abuse

coverups whether of child sex abuse

coverups whether of child sex abuse
without exception has been promoted

without exception has been promoted

without exception has been promoted
everyone that has reported it that has

everyone that has reported it that has

everyone that has reported it that has
tried to stop it has been fired or has

tried to stop it has been fired or has

tried to stop it has been fired or has
resigned do you know anyone who's

resigned do you know anyone who's

resigned do you know anyone who's
currently at the UN who is involved with

currently at the UN who is involved with

currently at the UN who is involved with
child sex abuse yes I think most people

child sex abuse yes I think most people

child sex abuse yes I think most people
that work at the UN

that work at the UN

that work at the UN
do in my

do in my

do in my
Cas an assistant Secretary General which

Cas an assistant Secretary General which

Cas an assistant Secretary General which
is like the way the UN works is there's

is like the way the UN works is there's

is like the way the UN works is there's
a Secretary General who's an individual

a Secretary General who's an individual

a Secretary General who's an individual
the deputy secetary General who's an

the deputy secetary General who's an

the deputy secetary General who's an
individual then you have um under

individual then you have um under

individual then you have um under
Secretary General then assistant

Secretary General then assistant

Secretary General then assistant
Secretary General so fourth highest Post

Secretary General so fourth highest Post

Secretary General so fourth highest Post
in the

in the

in the
UN he told me that he is aware of people

UN he told me that he is aware of people

UN he told me that he is aware of people
working under him who are sexually

working under him who are sexually

working under him who are sexually
abusing

abusing

abusing
children he would not give me enough

children he would not give me enough

children he would not give me enough
information to enable me to properly

information to enable me to properly

information to enable me to properly
report that I did report that he had

report that I did report that he had

report that I did report that he had
told me told me that um but no action

told me told me that um but no action

told me told me that um but no action
was taken and he said specifically that

was taken and he said specifically that

was taken and he said specifically that
because he has seen how I have been

because he has seen how I have been

because he has seen how I have been
treated for doing the right thing and

treated for doing the right thing and

treated for doing the right thing and
Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to

Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to

Reporting wrongdoing he is too scared to
he's the fourth highest person at the

he's the fourth highest person at the

he's the fourth highest person at the
fourth highest level in the entire

fourth highest level in the entire

fourth highest level in the entire
organization I'm one level up from the

organization I'm one level up from the

organization I'm one level up from the
bottom and the way I've been treated

bottom and the way I've been treated

bottom and the way I've been treated
terrifies him to that

terrifies him to that

terrifies him to that
degree I

degree I

degree I
mean first of all the UN maybe needs to

mean first of all the UN maybe needs to

mean first of all the UN maybe needs to
start looking for staff with a bit more

start looking for staff with a bit more

start looking for staff with a bit more
of a moral backbone but it just shows

of a moral backbone but it just shows

of a moral backbone but it just shows
the degree to

the degree to

the degree to
which the problem is the person who

which the problem is the person who

which the problem is the person who
speaks

speaks

speaks
up

up

up
and the reported cases of abuse by un

and the reported cases of abuse by un

and the reported cases of abuse by un
peacekeepers are the tip of the

peacekeepers are the tip of the

peacekeepers are the tip of the
iceberg

iceberg

iceberg
it's I mean there's no accountability

it's I mean there's no accountability

it's I mean there's no accountability
everyone has diplomatic immunity

everyone has diplomatic immunity

everyone has diplomatic immunity
nobody's held responsible for anything

nobody's held responsible for anything

nobody's held responsible for anything
and there's a culture of looking the

and there's a culture of looking the

and there's a culture of looking the
other way and not wanting to know

other way and not wanting to know

other way and not wanting to know
because if you knew you could be held

because if you knew you could be held

because if you knew you could be held
responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the

responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the

responsible if the [\h__\h] does hit the
fan this assistant Secretary General mhm

fan this assistant Secretary General mhm

fan this assistant Secretary General mhm
is not speaking out about someone he

is not speaking out about someone he

is not speaking out about someone he
knows who is raping multiple children

knows who is raping multiple children

knows who is raping multiple children
yeah because he's worried he's going to

yeah because he's worried he's going to

yeah because he's worried he's going to
lose his job yeah what's his