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♪♪ [ambient strings]
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- [woman 1] Do you need bottles?
- [woman 2] I have bottles.
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[chattering]
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Does anyone need bottles?
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[Nan] What time? 4:15?
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[woman] The timekeepers
are gonna give a signal.
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[Nan] Okay.
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Everyone has bottles? Okay.
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- You ready to go in?
- Let's go.
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{\an8}[Nan] There's a guard
walking around looking puzzled.
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{\an8}I think he's trying to count
the number of people.
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{\an8}I'm really nervous, man.
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- Let's start.
- [woman] Let's go, let's do it, go.
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- [Nan] Mic check!
- [all] Mic check!
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- [Nan] Mic check!
- [all] Mic check!
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A hundred thousand dead!
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A hundred thousand dead!
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- A hundred thousand dead!
- A hundred thousand dead!
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Don't do anything. You
can't do anything as far as...
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- Temple of death!
- Temple of death!
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- Temple of money!
- Temple of money!
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- Temple of greed!
- Temple of greed!
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- Temple of Oxy!
- Temple of Oxy!
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- Sacklers lie!
- Sacklers lie!
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- Thousands die!
- Thousands die!
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- The Sacklers knew!
- The Sacklers knew!
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- Their pills would kill!
- Their pills would kill!
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They built this wing!
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- They killed...
- Take this outside.
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- Excuse me.
- [speaking inaudibly]
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[all cheering]
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[applause]
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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- Sacklers lie!
- People die!
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[chanting continues]
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♪♪ [classical]
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♪♪ [chorus]
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{\an8}[Nan] It's easy to make
your life into a story.
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{\an8}But it's harder to...
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{\an8}sustain real memories.
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[Poitras] What do you mean?
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[Nan] Well, the difference between
the story and the real memory.
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The real experience
has a smell and is dirty,
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and is not wrapped
up in simple endings.
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The real memories are
what affects me now.
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[slide projector clicking]
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Things can appear that
you didn't want to see,
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where you're not safe.
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And even if you don't
actually unleash the memories,
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the effect is there.
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It's in your body.
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[wind gusting]
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[man] All right.
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♪♪ [classical]
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It was a claustrophobic suburb.
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"Don't let the neighbors know."
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My mother used to say that all
the time. It wasn't just an attitude.
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Actually, the neighbors did
know, we found out years later,
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because there was so
much screaming in the house.
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[Poitras] Tell me
about your sister.
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[Nan] My mother insisted
that Barbara speak
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in full sentences
at the age of one.
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And so she stopped talking
for at least a year and a half.
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Yeah, that was the first
act of rebellion by my sister.
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She would just wash
my hair or hold me,
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or these kind of things that
you need when you're a kid.
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And she knew how to do that,
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even though she hadn't
been mothered in that way.
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She made me aware
at a very young age
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about the banality and
deadening grip of suburbia.
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She had a wildness to her.
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She played the piano constantly.
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Chopin, Rachmaninoff,
Tchaikovsky...
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And you could tell how she was
feeling by how she was playing.
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♪♪ [chorus]
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The parakeets would sit on
her shoulders while she played.
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She trusted me
with all her secrets.
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She went on Saturday nights to
the movies to make out with boys.
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{\an8}That was when she stood
up for herself and yelled back.
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{\an8}And she talked to me
about feelings for other girls.
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{\an8}It was a period of
sexual repression.
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{\an8}And she was made
to fear her sexuality.
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And a lot of it was
her need to be held.
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She had a saying:
"Lean cat, savage cat."
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I felt very close to her,
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but she was in and out of
institutions for most of my childhood.
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Once they started sending her
away, they kept sending her away.
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My parents took away
her credibility and...
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silenced her by
calling her mentally ill.
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The police came into the house.
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My father started wailing
on the front lawn, wailing.
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They were talking to
my mother, saying that,
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"We found your daughter
and she committed suicide."
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And I heard my mother say,
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"Tell the children
it was an accident."
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My interpretation
from that minute was...
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denial.
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She didn't want us
to know the truth.
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That's when it clicked.
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[chattering]
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[Nan] Okay, let's
try it towards the left.
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- Yeah.
- [man] Or like in the middle?
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I don't know.
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Can you move over to the right?
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Keep going, okay.
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I can't really see
because your body...
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Thank you. Wow.
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Do you like it?
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Okay, I just want to see one more
thing. Can you switch these two?
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Okay, and one more idea.
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A couple more ideas.
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I could do this all
night. Watch out.
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Yeah.
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I was thinking
about this last night,
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that people talk about
all kinds of relationships,
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with their partner, their
children, their parents, and...
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The relationships that
have mattered most to me,
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probably my whole
life, are my friends.
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I only escaped
because of my friends.
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Right.
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Yeah, that's better.
That's perfect.
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{\an8}♪♪ [ambient strings]
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{\an8}[Nan] "I survived
the opioid crisis.
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{\an8}I narrowly escaped.
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My relationship to OxyContin
began several years ago in Berlin.
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It was originally
prescribed for surgery.
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Though I took it as directed,
I got addicted overnight.
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In the beginning, 40
milligrams was too strong.
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But as my habit grew,
there was never enough.
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I went from 3 pills a
day, as prescribed, to 18.
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The drug, like all
drugs, lost its effect.
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So I picked up the straw.
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My life revolved entirely
around getting and using Oxy,
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counting and recounting,
crushing and snorting
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was my full-time job.
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When I got out of treatment, I
learned that the Sackler family,
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whose name I knew from
museums and galleries,
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were responsible
for the epidemic.
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The Sackler family and their
private company, Purdue Pharma,
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advertised and
distributed their medication,
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knowing all the dangers.
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I've started a group, PAIN,
to hold them accountable.
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To get their ear, we will
target their philanthropy.
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They have washed their
blood money through the halls
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of museums and
universities around the world."
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[Velasco] I had no idea that
it was going to actually have
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the traction that it did.
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It's definitely among
the, if not the most...
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proud moments of my tenure
as editor of the magazine.
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She knew how to use her power.
She's a figure that these museums
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also wanted to work with,
they want in their collections.
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She's a major
name in the art world.
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When she published
the portfolio, that...
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It was the fact she was
doing it that mattered.
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I knew this would put her on the
line in a real serious way, and...
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I was concerned for her
safety. I was concerned for...
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whether she would be
drummed out of the art world.
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I mean, I think that...
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She was taking on a
very powerful family,
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one of the most
powerful families.
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[Nan] I mean, if anyone
belongs in jail, it's these people.
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{\an8}And as long as there's a
jail, they should be in it...
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{\an8}until the whole prison
system is dismantled.
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{\an8}They should be
the last to leave.
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{\an8}[all chuckling]
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- Last one, lights out.
- Last one.
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{\an8}After I met Nan and we
connected on levels of...
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{\an8}you know, having experience
with addiction and stuff like that,
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{\an8}she said, "Why don't you come
to one of our PAIN meetings?"
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Most members of PAIN have a
direct experience with addiction,
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or loss of a loved one.
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We have members
who lost their children...
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to overdose,
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that have family members
who are struggling,
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or that they themselves
have struggled.
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Yeah, but death is
the bottom line of this,
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and that should be reminded.
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- We should do a die-in of some sort.
- [Berio] Do we want to marshal numbers?
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- [woman] Each of us will be responsible...
- Trusted friends.
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{\an8}[Berio] The focus on the family,
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{\an8}I would say there was a
little bit of fear in the group
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{\an8}about going straight for them,
although we felt that we should.
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{\an8}Yeah, this is the decisive one.
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{\an8}Nan actually said, "Do you
think my career will implode?"
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{\an8}And I said, "Probably."
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{\an8}I said, "Yes, these are
very scary, powerful people.
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But then again, what
else can you do?"
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And she said, "I think we
should take these people down."
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And I said, "Well,
I'm with you."
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And then we started meeting,
and we would sit in Nan's house
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and dream up of
things we wanted to do.
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He's really sweet.
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[Nan] He's sweet on Alex, man.
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Go on.
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[Keefe] Let's see
where it all starts here.
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I mean, there's literally so many of
these that it's hard for me to find...
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Yes, this is September 2019.
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I get this legal hold notice.
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"Dear Mr. Keefe, I write
on behalf of my clients,
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members of the
Raymond Sackler family.
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You are hereby directed to preserve
and not to destroy, conceal, or alter
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any and all documents and
communications in your possession
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that relate in any way to any
members of the Sackler family,
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the article, Purdue
Pharma, and-or OxyContin..."
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{\an8}And on and on and on.
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{\an8}One of the things that's so strange
about the Sackler family is that
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{\an8}we talk about them in monolithic terms,
but really it's three families, and...
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{\an8}they spring from these
three original brothers,
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Arthur, Mortimer, and Raymond.
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[narrator] His name is
Arthur Sackler. For 40 years,
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he has brought energy,
goodwill, and intelligence to art.
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He owns thousands of works,
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presently displayed not only
at the Metropolitan Museum,
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{\an8}but in university
collections as well.
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{\an8}[applause]
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{\an8}Knowing that the goal of
peace is engraved in your hearts,
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{\an8}Mrs. Sackler and I
present to you this verse...
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[Keefe] Arthur dies before
the introduction of OxyContin.
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And yet so much of
what's happened is, in part,
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a function of Arthur's legacy.
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His contemporaries knew
him as this great art collector
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and this philanthropist.
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And the dirty secret was that
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he had come to this position
of prominence and great wealth
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through the marketing of this drug,
which also happened to be quite addictive.
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He creates a whole means of selling
Valium in which you're targeting doctors.
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He devised a compensation scheme
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in which he would get paid a
series of escalating bonuses
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based on how much
Valium they sold.
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Well, Valium becomes
the best-selling drug
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in the history of the
pharmaceutical industry.
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[narrator] From his
personal collection,
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Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte
blanche to select a thousand pieces,
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the best from a
lifetime of collecting.
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[Keefe] The whole Sackler
enterprise has been about marketing,
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the marketing of OxyContin,
but also the marketing
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of the family name.
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There's the family of the art world
and the museum world and philanthropy.
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And then there's the kind of
grubby, unpleasant story of...
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{\an8}Big Pharma marketing
and addiction and death.
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{\an8}Don't be afraid to take
what they give you.
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{\an8}Often, it will be an
opioid medication.
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{\an8}Some patients may be
afraid of taking opioids
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because they're perceived
as too strong, or addictive.
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But that is far
from actual fact.
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[Keefe] The Sacklers
owned Purdue,
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this company that set
out very deliberately
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to change the way in which these
strong opioids were prescribed,
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and to do so, by claiming
that they weren't addictive.
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A week or two after
my article came out,
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I got this email, this
kind of cryptic email
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from the studio of
Nan Goldin that said,
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"The photographer Nan Goldin
would like to meet with you."
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And I was a little mystified,
didn't know what it was about,
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but we set up a meeting.
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She had this kind of
"Roll up your sleeves.
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We gotta do something. We gotta
organize. We gotta get out there!"
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And I probably was...
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I blush to think,
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but I probably was gently
patronizing and said,
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"Well, good for you, glad to hear
it. You keep me posted on that."
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[Nan] I love working
in a material I know.
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Blue valium bottles. [chuckles]
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My anger at the Sackler
family, it's personal.
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I hate these people.
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But it's not about
my own addiction.
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I mean, when you think of
the profit off people's pain,
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{\an8}you can only be
furious about it.
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{\an8}[man] Sacklers lie, people
die! Fund harm reduction now!
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{\an8}[all] Sacklers lie, people
die! Fund harm reduction now!
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{\an8}Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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{\an8}Sacklers lie, people die!
Fund harm reduction now!
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{\an8}[woman] We consciously talked
about Act Up and what Act Up had done,
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{\an8}and how we wanted
for these actions
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{\an8}to make an impact.
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This idea of a bottle was
the first object we created.
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All the museums, institutions,
need to stop taking money
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from these corrupt,
evil bastards.
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[cheering and applauding]
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I got thrown out of every school
and every house that I lived.
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I got thrown out of
my parents' home.
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I got thrown out
of my foster family.
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I got thrown out of the
communal foster family.
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- [Poitras] Seriously?
- [Nan] Yeah.
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There's not one I can
think of that I... [chuckles]
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Yeah, I made an art of it.
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[Poitras] Okay, but why
were you with foster parents?
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[Nan] A psychiatrist told my
father that if I stayed in the house,
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the same thing would happen
as what happened with Barbara.
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So my parents sent
me to a foster agency.
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It was the Jewish adoption
agency on Beacon Hill.
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Yeah.
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I must have been 14.
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The woman of the house
straightened my hair.
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She wanted me to
be a WASP, basically.
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I remember when I first went there,
I projectile vomited all over my room.
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I must have been terrified.
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I didn't remember that till now.
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[slide projector clicking]
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I landed in a hippie free school
that couldn't throw me out.
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Satya School saved my life.
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I was shy beyond social phobia,
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like, crippling shyness.
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There were like six months
that I didn't speak at all.
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I think my sister's
suicide had silenced me.
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Until I met David.
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He said I was still
speaking in a whisper.
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♪♪ [indie rock]
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{\an8}I was 15. He was 14.
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{\an8}He was a vision to me.
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{\an8}We met each other
both stealing steaks.
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{\an8}We were shoplifting.
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Both of us converged in the
steak department. [chuckles]
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- [Poitras] Are you serious?
- Yes.
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Oh, I was a great shoplifter,
pretty much all my life.
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I'm not sure how good
I am anymore, but...
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That's how we became friends.
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David was a great wit.
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Very ironic, very precise.
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And that was the
coin of the realm.
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He taught me to use humor
as a survival mechanism.
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He had this elegance and
he was very androgynous,
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which was something I
was really attracted to.
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And one night, we hitchhiked
to my brother's dorm,
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'cause I was between homes,
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and he laid down on the bed
and I laid down next to him.
328
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And he got up and
laid down on the floor.
329
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And I said, "Are you gay?"
330
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And a light came on for him.
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He always said that it was the
first time somebody recognized him.
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Then he named me Nan.
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So I brought him out
and he named me Nan.
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So we liberated each other.
335
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David was the eye of my storm.
336
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"David and Tommy in a Sandpit."
337
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That's one of my
first photographs.
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We all got cameras
from Polaroid.
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I attached to it more than
anybody else at the school.
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It was the only language
I spoke at the time.
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Suddenly I had, you know, a
personality, and it gave me a voice.
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Photography was always
a way to walk through fear.
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Taking a picture
is kind of protective.
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It gave me a reason to be there.
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♪♪ [indie rock]
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David was living with
this most beautiful queen
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in Cambridge.
348
00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:52,088
Very quickly, I
moved in with them.
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We went to Goodwill
pretty much every day.
350
00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:07,103
All the rich women were
giving their clothes to Goodwill,
351
00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:09,480
and they were exquisite clothes.
352
00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,235
Like Fortuny gowns.
353
00:28:22,285 --> 00:28:24,454
And we went to The
Other Side every night.
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00:28:25,288 --> 00:28:27,707
Right away, I
felt at home there.
355
00:28:31,336 --> 00:28:34,672
I remember being really excited
to take pictures at that time.
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It was like a flash of euphoria.
357
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I know when a picture works.
358
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I get a rush.
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00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,027
I would have the film
developed in a pharmacy,
360
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and each of them would make a
pile of the pictures of themselves
361
00:29:00,156 --> 00:29:02,659
and compete to see
who had the biggest pile.
362
00:29:03,534 --> 00:29:07,121
If they didn't like one of the
pictures, they tore them up,
363
00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:08,831
and that was okay with me.
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00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:13,878
I've always wanted the
people in the pictures
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to be proud of
being in the work.
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00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,762
People have said, "Oh, I
didn't know I was that beautiful."
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00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:26,099
Which is, you know,
what I want them to feel.
368
00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:36,609
My roommates, they were
running away from America,
369
00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:40,446
and they found each other.
370
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:47,412
They didn't think, "We're
pioneers, we're rebels."
371
00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:48,871
They just were.
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00:29:50,581 --> 00:29:53,668
It was about living out
what they needed to live out
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in spite of the reaction
from the outside world.
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♪ There's always those
Who spoil our games ♪
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00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:05,430
♪ By finding fault
and calling names ♪
376
00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:09,976
♪ Always accusing ♪
377
00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:12,729
♪ We love each
other but it seems ♪
378
00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:16,482
♪ The love lives
only in my dreams ♪
379
00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:20,403
♪ It's so one-sided ♪
380
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:22,989
♪ But in this life
I must confess ♪
381
00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:26,284
♪ The search for
love and happiness ♪
382
00:30:26,451 --> 00:30:30,580
♪ Is unrequited ♪
383
00:30:30,747 --> 00:30:33,416
♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪
384
00:30:33,583 --> 00:30:36,836
♪ And what I am
and what I'm not ♪
385
00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:41,132
♪ What am I giving? ♪
386
00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:46,512
♪ But answers come from those who
make The rules that some of us must break ♪
387
00:30:47,472 --> 00:30:51,392
♪ Just to keep living ♪
388
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:54,437
♪ I know my life
is not a crime ♪
389
00:30:54,604 --> 00:30:57,982
♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪
390
00:30:58,149 --> 00:31:01,694
♪ I stand defenseless ♪
391
00:31:02,487 --> 00:31:07,575
♪ Nobody has the right to be
The judge of what is right for me ♪
392
00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:08,910
♪ Tell me if you can ♪
393
00:31:09,077 --> 00:31:15,958
♪ What makes a man a man? ♪
394
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:21,130
[Nan] While I was living with the
queens, I started going to art school
395
00:31:21,297 --> 00:31:22,465
for photography.
396
00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:26,761
Said I wanted the queens
to be on the cover of Vogue.
397
00:31:28,179 --> 00:31:30,807
But in those days,
that was so far.
398
00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:41,776
It was a time that was
really scary for them.
399
00:31:43,194 --> 00:31:46,447
You could get arrested walking
down the street in Boston.
400
00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:51,869
My roommates stayed home
basically, and they went out at night.
401
00:31:53,037 --> 00:31:57,208
And survival was an art.
402
00:32:02,296 --> 00:32:03,840
[seagulls cawing]
403
00:32:06,217 --> 00:32:10,388
David and I started going
to Provincetown in '75.
404
00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:14,892
It was the gay mecca.
405
00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:18,688
I worked in a
Portuguese hot dog stand.
406
00:32:18,855 --> 00:32:24,986
{\an8}And then later, I got a job as a bartender
at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar.
407
00:32:27,071 --> 00:32:30,616
{\an8}I was living in this
separatist lesbian community.
408
00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:38,249
{\an8}You know, it was sort of
like flannel shirts and tea.
409
00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:42,587
{\an8}And I'd come from taffeta
gowns and Quaaludes.
410
00:32:42,753 --> 00:32:44,881
And so I was kind of the oddball
411
00:32:45,047 --> 00:32:47,758
'cause I would wear pearls
and lipstick to the beach.
412
00:32:51,262 --> 00:32:53,639
I fell in love with
this beautiful woman.
413
00:32:54,348 --> 00:32:56,267
We were lovers, briefly.
414
00:32:57,059 --> 00:32:58,895
She had lots of other lovers.
415
00:33:02,315 --> 00:33:04,025
I was obsessed with her.
416
00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,571
So I photographed
her constantly.
417
00:33:10,656 --> 00:33:14,035
I have often used photography
as a sublimation for sex.
418
00:33:14,619 --> 00:33:17,163
It's generally better
than sex. [chuckles]
419
00:33:20,708 --> 00:33:22,752
{\an8}I had a button machine.
420
00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:25,254
{\an8}You know, you take a
picture and put it on a button.
421
00:33:25,421 --> 00:33:27,590
{\an8}- [Poitras] You had a button machine?
- Yeah.
422
00:33:27,757 --> 00:33:29,800
{\an8}That was my way
of making a living.
423
00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:34,096
Walking up and down
Commercial Street in my high heels
424
00:33:34,263 --> 00:33:35,765
with my button machine.
425
00:33:35,932 --> 00:33:41,270
And Cookie and Sharon, and
Divine, and John Waters came by
426
00:33:41,437 --> 00:33:42,688
{\an8}and had buttons made.
427
00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:47,527
{\an8}I knew Cookie from
John Waters' films,
428
00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:50,404
{\an8}and I already idolized her.
429
00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,910
{\an8}♪ I got lots of problems ♪
430
00:33:58,412 --> 00:34:00,957
{\an8}♪ Female trouble ♪
431
00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:06,128
{\an8}♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪
432
00:34:06,837 --> 00:34:09,423
{\an8}I'd like to set
fire to this dump.
433
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:12,218
{\an8}Just cause we're pretty
everybody's jealous.
434
00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:16,097
{\an8}It's like a prison here, even
at Christmas it's like a prison.
435
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,606
{\an8}♪ Sunday morning ♪
436
00:34:26,357 --> 00:34:30,278
{\an8}♪ Brings the dawning ♪
437
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,864
{\an8}Cookie was all about
finding what was funny in life.
438
00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:41,831
{\an8}Cookie and Sharon were
together for many years.
439
00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:50,381
{\an8}Sharon was working at a pizza
place, and Cookie came by one night
440
00:34:50,548 --> 00:34:53,259
{\an8}with her bicycle
and her son Max.
441
00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:59,432
{\an8}And he had long hair with gum
and popsicle sticks and leaves in it.
442
00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:04,562
{\an8}And Cookie had on these
little Springolator pumps,
443
00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:08,691
{\an8}but they were held
together with safety pins.
444
00:35:10,693 --> 00:35:12,153
{\an8}And Sharon thought,
445
00:35:13,112 --> 00:35:15,072
"I'm gonna take
care of these people."
446
00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:20,202
♪ Sunday morning ♪
447
00:35:20,369 --> 00:35:24,123
And then Cookie said to
her, "I believe in timing."
448
00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:30,796
Cookie took Sharon home with her
449
00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:34,008
through a swamp
with big pussy willows.
450
00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:38,554
And that was the beginning
of Cookie and Sharon.
451
00:35:42,808 --> 00:35:46,771
It was a time of
freedom and possibility.
452
00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:50,149
That's when I did
my first slideshows.
453
00:35:57,073 --> 00:35:58,074
[Nan] You ready?
454
00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:00,826
Does everyone have their chant?
455
00:36:02,411 --> 00:36:06,499
"That's bullshit, get off it. They
made addicts just for profit."
456
00:36:06,666 --> 00:36:10,002
- [woman] Ooh.
- We were flying last night!
457
00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,550
[Kapler] We were ready to
do another New York action,
458
00:36:16,717 --> 00:36:19,428
and the Met and the
Guggenheim to us are, like,
459
00:36:19,595 --> 00:36:21,806
two of the most
important museums.
460
00:36:21,972 --> 00:36:26,394
And we knew that the Guggenheim
had the Sackler Education Center.
461
00:36:27,436 --> 00:36:29,897
So they were like
a big target for us.
462
00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:35,319
An important part of
the museums we choose
463
00:36:35,486 --> 00:36:38,864
is Nan is typically in
the permanent collection.
464
00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,325
It's much stronger when
the message is coming
465
00:36:41,492 --> 00:36:43,494
from inside the house.
466
00:36:43,661 --> 00:36:46,622
- [woman] I'm not worried.
- What if they recognize me?
467
00:36:46,789 --> 00:36:49,917
[Nan] By the time we did the
Guggenheim, our name was out there.
468
00:36:50,084 --> 00:36:53,129
Other museums were alerted
that we might be coming.
469
00:36:53,295 --> 00:36:56,716
I'm supposed to wear it so
that no one knows who I am.
470
00:36:57,717 --> 00:37:00,553
[woman] That's not
drawing attention.
471
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,722
[man] Very subtle disguise.
472
00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:05,558
I don't know. It calls a
little attention, doesn't it?
473
00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,393
It's kind of horrible.
474
00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,438
[Kapler] The attorney
general in Massachusetts
475
00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,858
had just released
internal emails
476
00:37:14,024 --> 00:37:17,486
and documents of the
Sacklers, which were vast,
477
00:37:17,653 --> 00:37:20,364
{\an8}and had really damning quotes.
478
00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,953
{\an8}One of them was the quote
from Richard Sackler, saying that
479
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,748
{\an8}upon the launch of
OxyContin in 1996,
480
00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:33,502
{\an8}that OxyContin would cover the
country in a blizzard of prescriptions.
481
00:37:34,879 --> 00:37:39,550
{\an8}I just was like, "What if we
made a bunch of prescriptions
482
00:37:39,717 --> 00:37:41,385
and throw that
back in their faces?"
483
00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:48,058
[Kapler] We're trying
to align the banners
484
00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:50,644
with the fountain right at
the bottom of the spiral?
485
00:37:50,811 --> 00:37:51,979
- [Cullen] Yes.
- Okay.
486
00:37:52,146 --> 00:37:54,231
Okay, "Shame on
Sacklers," right?
487
00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:55,483
[Cullen] Yeah.
488
00:37:55,649 --> 00:37:57,860
[Nan] The goal is to get
the names off the walls.
489
00:37:58,569 --> 00:38:00,613
As long as the names are there,
490
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,241
they still maintain their
hold on their reputation.
491
00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,786
They're still whitewashing
their reputation.
492
00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:09,079
The museums are
still complicit in that.
493
00:38:14,418 --> 00:38:16,837
[Cullen] The energy
was definitely right.
494
00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:20,216
The whole museum was
already buzzing when we went in.
495
00:38:20,382 --> 00:38:21,967
It was a packed Saturday night.
496
00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:27,348
- Nan, are you ready?
- No, where is everyone?
497
00:38:29,683 --> 00:38:31,685
We had a Signal thread,
but it was really like,
498
00:38:31,852 --> 00:38:34,730
"Go at this time. If you
see prescriptions falling,
499
00:38:34,897 --> 00:38:36,065
it's starting."
500
00:38:36,232 --> 00:38:37,817
- [woman] Are we ready?
- [Nan] Yeah.
501
00:38:38,818 --> 00:38:41,278
[people cheering and screaming]
502
00:38:41,445 --> 00:38:43,030
♪♪ [orchestral]
503
00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:57,711
[Kapler] I was at the bottom looking
up, and I checked out for a minute
504
00:38:57,878 --> 00:39:00,005
because I was looking
up at the prescription slips
505
00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:04,218
and just, like, in awe of
the visual that it created.
506
00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,262
[cheering]
507
00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:14,353
Say it loud, say it clear!
Sackler name not welcome here!
508
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,567
Say it loud, say it clear!
Sackler name isn't welcome here!
509
00:39:19,733 --> 00:39:25,155
Say it loud, say it clear!
OxyContin got them here!
510
00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:28,492
[Berio] I was holding
one of the banners.
511
00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:32,288
We looked like we're hundreds
and hundreds of activists, right?
512
00:39:32,454 --> 00:39:34,164
We were not
hundreds and hundreds.
513
00:39:35,124 --> 00:39:38,544
People are shouting with
us. They're agreeing with us.
514
00:39:39,587 --> 00:39:41,547
- No longer!
- No longer!
515
00:39:41,714 --> 00:39:43,674
- No longer!
- No longer!
516
00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:49,638
- The Sackler family must go!
- The Sackler family must go!
517
00:39:49,805 --> 00:39:53,851
- The Sackler family must pay!
- The Sackler family must pay!
518
00:39:54,018 --> 00:39:56,687
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
519
00:39:56,854 --> 00:39:59,231
- People die!
- Sacklers lie!
520
00:39:59,982 --> 00:40:03,152
♪♪ [orchestral]
521
00:40:13,996 --> 00:40:18,709
Say it loud, say it clear!
Sacklers are not welcome here!
522
00:40:18,876 --> 00:40:23,839
Say it loud, say it clear!
Sacklers are not welcome here!
523
00:40:25,049 --> 00:40:29,637
We have journeyed from the
Guggenheim down to the Met
524
00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:31,430
to send a message.
525
00:40:31,597 --> 00:40:34,433
A message of life and death.
526
00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:40,522
My son was prescribed OxyContin
for a knee surgery in high school.
527
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:45,027
The doctors told him: "Take
the pills every four hours.
528
00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:49,615
"Take them before the pain
starts. Take them on schedule."
529
00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:54,787
When my son talked of his pain,
I said, "Did you take your pill?"
530
00:40:55,371 --> 00:40:58,958
I became an accomplice
to my son's demise.
531
00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:02,086
- That's not right.
- [activists] That ain't right!
532
00:41:02,252 --> 00:41:04,505
My son became
addicted to OxyContin.
533
00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:06,256
It progressed to heroin.
534
00:41:06,423 --> 00:41:09,551
It took 11 years, but
it fucking killed him.
535
00:41:09,718 --> 00:41:14,139
It killed him. It took his life.
He died alone in a bathroom.
536
00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:17,393
I don't expect the Sacklers
to care about my son Jack.
537
00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:18,559
[man] We care!
538
00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:21,355
But 400,000 lives, right?
539
00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:23,524
Somebody should care about that!
540
00:41:23,691 --> 00:41:24,692
[woman] Yes!
541
00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:26,068
[cheering]
542
00:41:33,117 --> 00:41:35,244
[Poitras] And how did
the Guggenheim respond?
543
00:41:35,411 --> 00:41:36,829
{\an8}[Nan] They didn't say anything.
544
00:41:37,997 --> 00:41:40,040
{\an8}The museums were keeping quiet.
545
00:41:41,125 --> 00:41:42,251
{\an8}The first year,
546
00:41:42,418 --> 00:41:45,546
{\an8}it's like 25 museums were
supportive of the Sacklers.
547
00:41:45,713 --> 00:41:47,673
Either said nothing
or were supportive.
548
00:41:49,091 --> 00:41:53,053
They know the Sacklers
are a bad look for their PR.
549
00:41:53,762 --> 00:41:54,762
[Poitras] Right.
550
00:41:54,805 --> 00:41:58,517
But they're terrified of what
will be found out about them.
551
00:42:01,395 --> 00:42:04,523
The rich people are scared
that we're going to dig into
552
00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,442
the evil way they made money.
553
00:42:15,993 --> 00:42:20,039
{\an8}♪ Oh, yeah I had laid
such a tender trap ♪
554
00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:25,461
{\an8}♪ Hoping you
might fall into it ♪
555
00:42:25,627 --> 00:42:28,547
{\an8}♪ But love hit me
like a sudden slap ♪
556
00:42:29,757 --> 00:42:33,552
{\an8}♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪
557
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,681
{\an8}♪ What's this whole
world coming to? ♪
558
00:42:37,848 --> 00:42:41,185
{\an8}♪ Things just ain't the same ♪
559
00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:45,981
{\an8}♪ Any time the hunter ♪
560
00:42:46,148 --> 00:42:50,444
{\an8}♪ Gets captured by the game ♪
561
00:42:52,821 --> 00:42:54,865
[Nan] I moved to
the Bowery in '78.
562
00:42:56,075 --> 00:42:59,495
This place that should
have become a museum.
563
00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:02,998
So many people lived there,
564
00:43:03,165 --> 00:43:07,669
and it was one of the big addresses
in lower New York at the time.
565
00:43:09,963 --> 00:43:13,092
It was a shithole loft
because there was no light.
566
00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:16,136
It didn't have any
walls for a while.
567
00:43:16,303 --> 00:43:19,723
Kind of dysfunctional,
but managed to function.
568
00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:25,646
We used to fuck in the
elevator. There was a lot of drugs.
569
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:29,108
Always a lot of drugs, a
lot of coke, a lot of speed.
570
00:43:30,567 --> 00:43:32,027
The Bowery was the Ballad.
571
00:43:32,194 --> 00:43:34,696
The Bowery was the
Goldin headquarters.
572
00:43:36,532 --> 00:43:39,326
And that's where I was
situated in the universe,
573
00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:40,494
was the Bowery.
574
00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:50,838
When I got to New York, this guy
gave me some names of galleries.
575
00:43:51,338 --> 00:43:54,174
In those days, you went to
galleries with your portfolio.
576
00:43:54,633 --> 00:43:56,885
So I called some galleries,
they weren't interested.
577
00:43:57,052 --> 00:43:58,929
And then I went
up to see Marvin.
578
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,476
I walked in and showed these photos
that no one had ever seen before.
579
00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:07,062
Totally bad prints and torn.
580
00:44:07,229 --> 00:44:10,315
And immediately, we
understood each other.
581
00:44:12,067 --> 00:44:15,571
{\an8}She showed up one
day with a box of pictures,
582
00:44:15,737 --> 00:44:18,907
{\an8}showed up in this party
dress, a polka dot party dress
583
00:44:19,074 --> 00:44:20,826
{\an8}with a lot of crinolines,
584
00:44:20,993 --> 00:44:23,203
{\an8}and kind of weird makeup, and...
585
00:44:23,996 --> 00:44:27,666
walked up the very fancy
stairs of this gallery and...
586
00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:28,959
had this box of pictures.
587
00:44:29,126 --> 00:44:32,462
And I opened up this box of
pictures, about 20 of them in it, and...
588
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:35,132
I had never seen
pictures like that in my life.
589
00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:38,385
These portraits and pictures
of people living their lives
590
00:44:38,552 --> 00:44:41,972
that really were unlike anything
anybody else was doing.
591
00:44:43,015 --> 00:44:48,145
[Nan] He asked me to bring
more stuff, and I brought up a crate.
592
00:44:48,312 --> 00:44:49,521
[chuckles]
593
00:44:50,564 --> 00:44:55,235
And I got the cab driver to bring
me up by giving him a blowjob.
594
00:44:55,402 --> 00:44:58,030
So that's how I
entered the art world.
595
00:44:58,197 --> 00:44:59,698
[chuckling]
596
00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:02,451
This was 1979.
597
00:45:02,951 --> 00:45:04,953
♪♪ [funk]
598
00:45:15,214 --> 00:45:17,799
The first week we were
there, the Mudd Club opened.
599
00:45:18,884 --> 00:45:20,719
And I met Vivienne Dick.
600
00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:26,183
Vivienne was curious
about everything,
601
00:45:26,350 --> 00:45:28,936
and a lot of stuff that
happened, she took me to.
602
00:45:32,606 --> 00:45:35,192
I mean, there were
different worlds in New York
603
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,402
that I was moving between,
604
00:45:37,569 --> 00:45:39,905
and they didn't
necessarily like each other.
605
00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:45,535
{\an8}The world of Vivienne
606
00:45:45,702 --> 00:45:48,830
{\an8}and this woman I lived
with named Suzanne...
607
00:45:52,668 --> 00:45:54,127
{\an8}And Greer...
608
00:45:55,712 --> 00:45:59,341
{\an8}She was making her dolls all
the time, working constantly.
609
00:45:59,508 --> 00:46:02,511
♪ You can't be funky
You can't be funky ♪
610
00:46:02,678 --> 00:46:06,348
{\an8}♪ You can't be funky If
you haven't got a soul ♪
611
00:46:08,433 --> 00:46:10,435
{\an8}And then there was
the world of Bruce.
612
00:46:13,981 --> 00:46:15,524
{\an8}And David.
613
00:46:20,654 --> 00:46:21,905
{\an8}And Cookie.
614
00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:24,950
{\an8}♪♪ [disco]
615
00:46:25,492 --> 00:46:29,079
She was the center of
New York downtown life.
616
00:46:40,549 --> 00:46:43,010
People used to say
we were marginalized.
617
00:46:44,344 --> 00:46:46,096
And we didn't care.
618
00:46:47,806 --> 00:46:50,225
{\an8}Normal people were
marginalized to us.
619
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,941
{\an8}Cookie was in films,
she was in plays.
620
00:46:59,109 --> 00:47:01,445
{\an8}And then she was
writing art criticism.
621
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:06,325
{\an8}Cookie used to say,
622
00:47:06,491 --> 00:47:09,745
"I don't know why people
think I'm wild. I'm not wild.
623
00:47:09,911 --> 00:47:13,540
Wildness just appears
on the road in front of me."
624
00:47:14,916 --> 00:47:18,086
You have to hear her voice,
and that tells you everything.
625
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,632
This kind of irony and humor.
626
00:47:24,217 --> 00:47:26,970
"You should really wait for
Charlie to come back from the store.
627
00:47:27,137 --> 00:47:30,057
He's the one to talk to. He's right
in there buying oranges for us."
628
00:47:30,223 --> 00:47:32,768
She pointed to the Haight
Street Chinese fruit store.
629
00:47:32,934 --> 00:47:35,812
But I'd had enough and thanked
them and left looking for more action.
630
00:47:35,979 --> 00:47:38,023
These girls were Susan
Atkins and Squeaky Fromme
631
00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:39,441
and Mary Brunner and others.
632
00:47:39,608 --> 00:47:43,236
And I missed meeting Charlie
Manson by five minutes."
633
00:47:44,821 --> 00:47:46,990
[Nan] Cookie was
working as a go-go dancer.
634
00:47:49,076 --> 00:47:50,827
I was dancing in New Jersey
635
00:47:50,994 --> 00:47:53,955
because you didn't have to
take your top off in New Jersey.
636
00:47:54,998 --> 00:47:57,918
{\an8}And New York was
topless. New Jersey wasn't.
637
00:47:59,628 --> 00:48:01,505
{\an8}♪♪ [disco]
638
00:48:01,671 --> 00:48:04,383
{\an8}So we'd take the
bus out to Paterson,
639
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,929
{\an8}and go to these lowlife
bars and wiggle our asses,
640
00:48:09,096 --> 00:48:12,474
{\an8}and then get on the bus and
come back to New York. [chuckles]
641
00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:19,106
{\an8}I was dancing to
have money to buy film.
642
00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:30,617
Then I started in
the whorehouse.
643
00:48:31,368 --> 00:48:33,578
Yeah, that got pretty ugly.
644
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,418
I haven't kept many
secrets in my life.
645
00:48:41,253 --> 00:48:44,005
But I never did
talk about it before.
646
00:48:49,094 --> 00:48:53,348
But I think at this point in
my life, I should talk about it
647
00:48:53,515 --> 00:48:56,518
because of the incredible
stigma around sex work.
648
00:49:02,399 --> 00:49:07,404
Vivienne got really interested in
the fact that I had worked in a house,
649
00:49:07,571 --> 00:49:10,949
and decided she wanted
to make a film about it.
650
00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,119
It's a fiction film.
651
00:49:14,703 --> 00:49:17,497
I'm playing the madam of
the house where I worked...
652
00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:19,958
who was a monster.
653
00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:23,211
Hi. How are you? Have
you been with us before?
654
00:49:23,378 --> 00:49:25,046
She would have us
on our backs all day,
655
00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:27,424
and then she'd come
home from Bloomingdales
656
00:49:27,591 --> 00:49:29,301
showing off her lingerie.
657
00:49:31,803 --> 00:49:35,765
I mean, sex work isn't
negative in itself, but it's no party.
658
00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:38,101
It's one of the hardest
jobs you could have.
659
00:49:47,235 --> 00:49:50,030
{\an8}And so that's how
Tin Pan Alley came.
660
00:49:53,867 --> 00:49:57,496
{\an8}Somebody said, "You
should go meet Maggie."
661
00:49:57,662 --> 00:50:01,082
{\an8}She was hiring women
who had been sex workers
662
00:50:01,249 --> 00:50:04,169
{\an8}and kind of helped
people get out of it.
663
00:50:04,336 --> 00:50:06,755
She was an incredible force.
664
00:50:06,922 --> 00:50:09,674
She was a community organizer.
665
00:50:09,841 --> 00:50:11,134
She was a great cook.
666
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:14,596
She was a radical.
667
00:50:15,847 --> 00:50:17,474
And she was a ballet dancer.
668
00:50:18,183 --> 00:50:21,686
{\an8}So she hired me pretty
quickly. Like, immediately.
669
00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:27,567
{\an8}The bar was a safe space
for prostitutes and also a way
670
00:50:27,734 --> 00:50:31,404
{\an8}to work their way out of
prostitution if they wished to do so.
671
00:50:31,571 --> 00:50:35,075
{\an8}And it was a center
for those on the left.
672
00:50:35,242 --> 00:50:37,536
The squatters movement,
the anarchist movement,
673
00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:38,912
the Black movement,
674
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,623
people who were interested
in supporting political prisoners
675
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:42,790
from the Latin left.
676
00:50:42,916 --> 00:50:46,378
And so it was really
a polyglot place.
677
00:50:46,545 --> 00:50:51,383
It had hustlers, it had
artists, Reuters journalists.
678
00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:54,678
It had people from
NBC who were on strike.
679
00:50:54,844 --> 00:50:57,180
And it had the IRS.
680
00:50:58,139 --> 00:51:01,268
When the IRS would come
in the afternoon to get drunk,
681
00:51:01,434 --> 00:51:03,895
they were as hard to
handle as the bikers.
682
00:51:04,854 --> 00:51:07,899
But the bar was
controlled by women.
683
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:11,570
It was very important to me
that we not have bouncers,
684
00:51:11,736 --> 00:51:14,948
and not depend on male
strength for keeping the peace.
685
00:51:16,491 --> 00:51:19,202
And so when people
behind the bar, including Nan,
686
00:51:19,369 --> 00:51:21,580
decided that it was
time for someone to go,
687
00:51:21,746 --> 00:51:23,206
that person would go.
688
00:51:26,042 --> 00:51:28,211
- It's on the house.
- Oh, thanks, Nan.
689
00:51:29,379 --> 00:51:30,755
[speaking indistinctly]
690
00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:40,056
[Pinckney] Tin Pan
was very integrated.
691
00:51:40,223 --> 00:51:44,394
{\an8}The New Wave was not a
very integrated scene at all.
692
00:51:44,561 --> 00:51:49,983
{\an8}And also it cut across class lines,
which New Wave also didn't do.
693
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,320
{\an8}I spent a lot of time at
Tin Pan, but I can't say...
694
00:51:53,486 --> 00:51:56,072
{\an8}Talk about repetitive
nights, you know?
695
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,494
[Nan] When I first
started, I loved it there.
696
00:52:01,661 --> 00:52:02,871
The first two years...
697
00:52:04,164 --> 00:52:05,874
I listened to people.
698
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:08,960
Really listened.
699
00:52:10,295 --> 00:52:11,880
And they weren't used to that.
700
00:52:14,215 --> 00:52:18,011
I was sort of the dominatrix
of the bar, and I got tips
701
00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:21,890
because people wanted to
impress me, win me back...
702
00:52:23,391 --> 00:52:28,897
And I would work till four in the morning
and then we'd go to the after-hours.
703
00:52:31,733 --> 00:52:34,069
[saxophone playing]
704
00:52:35,403 --> 00:52:40,075
[Smith] Tin Pan Alley became
a major kind of staging point
705
00:52:40,241 --> 00:52:43,286
as people were planning
for the Times Square show.
706
00:52:44,913 --> 00:52:46,915
It was multi-floor.
707
00:52:47,082 --> 00:52:49,459
{\an8}It was collaborative.
708
00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:51,670
{\an8}There was graffiti,
709
00:52:52,504 --> 00:52:55,548
{\an8}sculpture, there were painters,
710
00:52:55,715 --> 00:52:57,300
{\an8}lots of video work.
711
00:52:57,467 --> 00:52:58,635
{\an8}There was music...
712
00:52:58,802 --> 00:53:00,595
{\an8}[band playing jazz music]
713
00:53:04,265 --> 00:53:06,142
{\an8}[singing indistinctly]
714
00:53:10,605 --> 00:53:13,775
The first floor is where most
of the performances were.
715
00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,529
So Nan invited
everyone in the bar.
716
00:53:17,696 --> 00:53:20,156
So, yes, I was anxious
to see her work and...
717
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:24,869
I, you know, was sitting on
the floor, and this music starts,
718
00:53:25,036 --> 00:53:26,371
and the slides start.
719
00:53:36,172 --> 00:53:38,258
♪ I put a spell on you ♪
720
00:53:44,597 --> 00:53:46,891
♪ Because you're mine ♪
721
00:53:53,022 --> 00:53:55,608
♪ Stop the things you do ♪
722
00:54:00,447 --> 00:54:01,447
♪ Watch out! ♪
723
00:54:02,157 --> 00:54:04,701
♪ I ain't lying ♪
724
00:54:07,954 --> 00:54:12,208
♪ Yeah, I can't stand ♪
725
00:54:13,877 --> 00:54:16,254
♪ No running around ♪
726
00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,341
♪ I can't stand... ♪
727
00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:25,096
[Smith] The work
was incredibly political.
728
00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:27,307
It was about power,
729
00:54:27,474 --> 00:54:31,060
and particularly about the
power that men have over women,
730
00:54:31,227 --> 00:54:34,898
and how that power is
translated up in the society.
731
00:54:36,858 --> 00:54:39,319
[Pinckney] The very first
time I saw Nan's slideshow,
732
00:54:39,486 --> 00:54:41,154
it was extremely raucous.
733
00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:44,157
What I remember
mostly is the noise,
734
00:54:44,324 --> 00:54:47,285
not just of the music
or of the equipment,
735
00:54:47,452 --> 00:54:49,913
but of people talking
to the screen...
736
00:54:51,206 --> 00:54:52,499
commenting.
737
00:54:53,666 --> 00:54:56,085
[Nan] At the beginning, the
audience would be made up
738
00:54:56,252 --> 00:54:59,130
exclusively of the
people in the show,
739
00:54:59,297 --> 00:55:02,258
so they would scream at me
if they didn't like something,
740
00:55:02,425 --> 00:55:04,719
and scream if they
loved something.
741
00:55:04,886 --> 00:55:07,889
So I edited according
to that to some extent.
742
00:55:10,767 --> 00:55:14,562
And then I had those pictures of my
friend having sex with her boyfriend,
743
00:55:14,729 --> 00:55:18,066
and she demanded I take
them out at some point.
744
00:55:18,233 --> 00:55:21,152
And so that's when I started
photographing myself having sex.
745
00:55:21,986 --> 00:55:26,115
I figured if I was showing her having
sex, I had to show myself having sex.
746
00:55:26,282 --> 00:55:28,076
♪♪ [rock]
747
00:55:33,748 --> 00:55:35,667
I was doing it at
underground clubs
748
00:55:35,834 --> 00:55:39,087
{\an8}and my boyfriend at the
time was spinning records.
749
00:55:39,838 --> 00:55:41,589
{\an8}♪♪ [funk]
750
00:55:41,756 --> 00:55:43,550
{\an8}So that's when
the music started.
751
00:55:44,092 --> 00:55:46,427
{\an8}I would start with
songs that I knew,
752
00:55:46,594 --> 00:55:49,347
{\an8}and then people would
send me music, literally.
753
00:55:49,514 --> 00:55:51,558
{\an8}But I changed them
every single time.
754
00:55:52,767 --> 00:55:55,895
{\an8}It was fun. It was really fun.
755
00:55:56,062 --> 00:55:57,981
{\an8}People would be dancing.
756
00:55:58,147 --> 00:56:00,191
{\an8}You know, it was fabulous.
757
00:56:00,358 --> 00:56:01,860
{\an8}♪ Somebody let me know ♪
758
00:56:02,026 --> 00:56:04,571
{\an8}♪ Who let the body in the
place Put a whistle in your face ♪
759
00:56:04,737 --> 00:56:07,073
{\an8}♪ Scream it out
and say, "Yo, hit it" ♪
760
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:11,494
[Nan] I was always
late for everything.
761
00:56:12,287 --> 00:56:15,999
{\an8}I didn't sleep. I mean, I
was up all night editing.
762
00:56:20,128 --> 00:56:22,255
{\an8}[Pinckney] You never
saw the same thing twice.
763
00:56:22,422 --> 00:56:24,424
{\an8}She changed the music,
she changed the slides,
764
00:56:24,591 --> 00:56:26,634
{\an8}she changed the order of them.
765
00:56:26,801 --> 00:56:32,473
Sometimes her own changed
feelings changed the meanings of them,
766
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,311
because her photographs
don't hold just one meaning.
767
00:56:37,186 --> 00:56:42,317
You know, a lot is going on
in a Nan Goldin photograph.
768
00:56:46,571 --> 00:56:49,657
And I guess that's what made
people think it was so cinematic,
769
00:56:49,824 --> 00:56:52,452
because to most people
they seem like characters,
770
00:56:52,619 --> 00:56:54,412
whereas to the people
being photographed,
771
00:56:54,579 --> 00:56:56,289
they seem like themselves.
772
00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:00,627
She photographs from our side.
773
00:57:04,172 --> 00:57:06,966
[Nan] The mid-80s was
when I was closest to Cookie.
774
00:57:09,093 --> 00:57:13,222
She wasn't doing very well,
so this friend of hers told her
775
00:57:13,389 --> 00:57:15,183
to spin a globe,
776
00:57:15,892 --> 00:57:19,395
and wherever she put
her finger, to go there.
777
00:57:19,562 --> 00:57:23,650
So she went to Italy
and she met Vittorio.
778
00:57:27,028 --> 00:57:29,322
It was the greatest
love of her life.
779
00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:34,202
It was a huge wedding.
780
00:57:34,369 --> 00:57:36,663
Everyone in lower
New York was there.
781
00:57:37,664 --> 00:57:39,749
Rene Ricard,
782
00:57:39,916 --> 00:57:42,877
Greer, David Armstrong,
783
00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:46,130
Francesco Clemente,
784
00:57:46,798 --> 00:57:48,466
Teri Toye...
785
00:57:49,676 --> 00:57:51,219
Peter Hujar was there.
786
00:57:51,886 --> 00:57:55,181
And we were standing next
to each other taking pictures.
787
00:57:57,058 --> 00:57:58,643
It was a beautiful wedding
788
00:58:01,896 --> 00:58:03,398
And a wild party.
789
00:58:08,277 --> 00:58:10,154
♪ Now there's a man ♪
790
00:58:10,321 --> 00:58:12,615
♪ The living tool of Satan ♪
791
00:58:12,782 --> 00:58:16,494
♪ He charges forth
While others are debatin' ♪
792
00:58:16,661 --> 00:58:20,498
♪ Connivin', cocky knave
With all the trimmin' ♪
793
00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:25,878
♪ I know one thing can
trim him down Women ♪
794
00:58:26,045 --> 00:58:30,675
♪ In women he
meets deep authority ♪
795
00:58:30,842 --> 00:58:37,765
♪ On them he feels
his old dependency ♪
796
00:58:40,852 --> 00:58:45,732
[Nan] Once I started sharing
the work, I got a lot of shit.
797
00:58:47,275 --> 00:58:49,318
"There's no such thing
as a good woman artist,"
798
00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:52,405
was said to me
in, like, mid-80s.
799
00:58:53,364 --> 00:58:55,992
It was really
heavy resistance...
800
00:58:57,118 --> 00:59:01,330
especially from male artists
and gallerists who said,
801
00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:03,291
"This isn't photography.
802
00:59:04,125 --> 00:59:06,461
Nobody photographs
their own life."
803
00:59:07,211 --> 00:59:11,257
It was still a
kind of outlier act.
804
00:59:12,091 --> 00:59:17,263
It was basically a time of black
and white, vertical photographs.
805
00:59:18,931 --> 00:59:23,811
So it's hard to understand that
that could have ever been radical.
806
00:59:28,775 --> 00:59:33,279
I thought the art world was bullshit
and that Times Square was real life.
807
00:59:34,447 --> 00:59:36,074
That's where I met Brian.
808
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,580
Our first date, we
went to see The Clash
809
00:59:43,289 --> 00:59:45,374
right around the
corner from the bar.
810
00:59:46,459 --> 00:59:49,670
And then we went up
to Harlem and copped.
811
00:59:51,464 --> 00:59:53,424
And then he just stayed.
812
00:59:53,591 --> 00:59:56,969
And he stayed for '81 to '84.
813
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,602
He was beautiful at the
time, and I fell in love with him.
814
01:00:07,396 --> 01:00:09,065
He was very tender.
815
01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:12,777
You can see it in Brian's eyes.
816
01:00:18,991 --> 01:00:20,660
We had very good sex,
817
01:00:20,827 --> 01:00:23,830
and that can keep people
together for a long time.
818
01:00:29,085 --> 01:00:30,962
And then we
started fighting a lot.
819
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,632
And I was good at fighting.
820
01:00:40,179 --> 01:00:43,266
He wanted to break up,
and I didn't want him to.
821
01:00:43,432 --> 01:00:46,936
And then we went through
that a lot, trying to break up.
822
01:00:48,855 --> 01:00:51,858
And then when I went
to Berlin, we'd broken up,
823
01:00:52,024 --> 01:00:55,111
and then he came
to Berlin and...
824
01:00:55,278 --> 01:00:56,612
And that story.
825
01:01:00,616 --> 01:01:03,327
I did a slideshow at some loft,
826
01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:07,039
and we went to a bar,
827
01:01:08,541 --> 01:01:11,210
and then he realized
I'd been with this girl,
828
01:01:11,377 --> 01:01:13,796
and he became jealous.
829
01:01:14,714 --> 01:01:16,924
And that's what set it off.
830
01:01:20,428 --> 01:01:23,431
We were so intertwined, we
didn't know how to break up.
831
01:01:24,974 --> 01:01:28,019
So this was his
way of breaking up.
832
01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:35,318
He punched me in
the face repeatedly,
833
01:01:35,484 --> 01:01:37,486
like, boom, boom, boom.
834
01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:40,281
And he went after my eyes.
835
01:01:40,823 --> 01:01:45,119
I was bleeding, and there
was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris.
836
01:01:45,286 --> 01:01:47,163
Sylvie came in and
dragged me out.
837
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:50,208
She saved my life.
838
01:01:53,085 --> 01:01:58,758
He trashed the room and he
wrote in lipstick all over the room:
839
01:01:58,925 --> 01:02:00,426
"Bitch, cunt."
840
01:02:01,677 --> 01:02:03,221
He burned my diaries.
841
01:02:05,056 --> 01:02:09,435
The greatest luck of my
life is that I left the slideshow
842
01:02:09,602 --> 01:02:11,938
at the loft where I'd shown it.
843
01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:14,690
Because he would
have destroyed it.
844
01:02:16,192 --> 01:02:17,192
Yeah.
845
01:02:23,157 --> 01:02:27,828
All the bones in the orbital
floor of my eye were broken.
846
01:02:29,497 --> 01:02:31,624
- And, um...
- [Poitras] To go for your eyes...
847
01:02:31,791 --> 01:02:33,626
Maggie said he
wanted to blind me.
848
01:02:38,673 --> 01:02:40,508
My pictures of myself battered
849
01:02:41,509 --> 01:02:44,011
were what kept
me from going back.
850
01:02:48,808 --> 01:02:52,061
Women who've been battered
have come to me and told me
851
01:02:52,228 --> 01:02:55,648
that they were able to talk
about it because of those pictures.
852
01:03:00,027 --> 01:03:03,739
The struggle between
autonomy and dependency
853
01:03:03,906 --> 01:03:07,326
is the core of The Ballad
of Sexual Dependency.
854
01:03:13,374 --> 01:03:16,961
My father tried to get it
stopped from being published.
855
01:03:19,547 --> 01:03:21,549
The pictures were one thing,
856
01:03:21,716 --> 01:03:24,427
but they were so
afraid of the text...
857
01:03:25,636 --> 01:03:29,265
'cause he said that I was trying
to prove that they killed my sister.
858
01:03:30,433 --> 01:03:31,767
That's how he put it.
859
01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:36,897
Brian was trying
to get it stopped.
860
01:03:38,149 --> 01:03:42,278
It makes it even more radical,
all these men trying to stop it.
861
01:03:47,158 --> 01:03:50,911
When I got back to New
York, I went to Tin Pan.
862
01:03:51,704 --> 01:03:54,707
I was terrified because
there were all those men,
863
01:03:54,874 --> 01:03:56,959
and I couldn't be
in a crowd with men.
864
01:03:58,252 --> 01:04:01,464
Maggie thought I was
shooting dope and I wasn't,
865
01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:03,257
but I was snorting it.
866
01:04:05,301 --> 01:04:08,220
And I remembered when
I quit Tin Pan, I thought,
867
01:04:08,387 --> 01:04:11,432
"Oh, now I'm gonna
get really strung out
868
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,559
because there's
nothing to stop me."
869
01:04:15,478 --> 01:04:16,520
And I did.
870
01:04:24,779 --> 01:04:26,197
It's a little scary around here.
871
01:04:28,157 --> 01:04:32,411
A New York Post reporter called
me cold without being introduced.
872
01:04:32,578 --> 01:04:35,498
He called me on my cell phone.
He said he got it on the internet.
873
01:04:36,374 --> 01:04:38,167
We have to really have the facts
874
01:04:38,334 --> 01:04:40,628
if we're going to go
up against this family.
875
01:04:40,795 --> 01:04:41,962
They could sue us, right?
876
01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:46,300
[Kapler] After a
few of our actions,
877
01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:48,969
Purdue Pharma started
taking out full-page ads
878
01:04:49,136 --> 01:04:50,221
in The New York Times,
879
01:04:50,388 --> 01:04:54,392
saying, "Of course we
care about the opioid crisis.
880
01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:56,310
We're in the market of opioids."
881
01:04:58,354 --> 01:05:01,649
People are still accepting
Sackler donations.
882
01:05:03,317 --> 01:05:06,195
[woman] What's happening
with the National Portrait Gallery?
883
01:05:06,362 --> 01:05:10,157
I don't know what's going on with
my work being in the show or not.
884
01:05:10,324 --> 01:05:11,742
What do people think?
885
01:05:12,326 --> 01:05:15,329
[woman] It would
be a serious blow
886
01:05:15,496 --> 01:05:17,832
if Nan Goldin refuses
to show her work there
887
01:05:17,998 --> 01:05:19,583
because of Sackler money.
888
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:20,750
So...
889
01:05:20,793 --> 01:05:24,713
[Kapler] Nan was set
to have a retrospective
890
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,425
with the National Portrait
Gallery in the U.K.,
891
01:05:27,591 --> 01:05:30,719
but they're in the
middle of accepting
892
01:05:30,886 --> 01:05:34,598
a $1.3 million grant
from the Sacklers.
893
01:05:35,015 --> 01:05:39,395
So Nan told them that she would
not do her retrospective with them
894
01:05:39,562 --> 01:05:41,147
if they were to accept it.
895
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:48,696
[woman cheers]
896
01:05:49,113 --> 01:05:51,031
[Nan] Unbelievable!
897
01:05:51,866 --> 01:05:55,119
Oh, man, it's working,
right? It's working.
898
01:05:55,286 --> 01:05:56,620
[Kapler] I can't believe it.
899
01:05:57,246 --> 01:05:59,123
[Velasco] When the
National Portrait Gallery
900
01:05:59,290 --> 01:06:02,126
refused the donation from the
Sacklers, this is a watershed moment.
901
01:06:02,293 --> 01:06:06,088
This is an incredible
rush to think that
902
01:06:06,255 --> 01:06:10,468
people are actually beginning
to rethink how we do things.
903
01:06:12,553 --> 01:06:15,306
[Nan] Let's go over what
happened in one week.
904
01:06:15,473 --> 01:06:19,727
I think it doesn't happen
to activist groups very often.
905
01:06:19,894 --> 01:06:23,564
On Tuesday, the
National Portrait Gallery
906
01:06:23,731 --> 01:06:25,816
was the first to refuse money.
907
01:06:25,983 --> 01:06:27,443
[all] Yeah!
908
01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:30,488
On Thursday, the Tate crumbled.
909
01:06:30,654 --> 01:06:34,950
On Friday, surprisingly,
the Guggenheim.
910
01:06:35,117 --> 01:06:36,117
[man] Yeah.
911
01:06:36,243 --> 01:06:37,620
And that was shocking.
912
01:06:37,786 --> 01:06:39,121
[clapping]
913
01:06:39,288 --> 01:06:45,461
Okay, and then those dirty deep
bottom-feeders, the hedge fund,
914
01:06:45,628 --> 01:06:49,298
refusing to take the Sackler
money, which is unprecedented.
915
01:06:49,965 --> 01:06:51,675
[all cheering]
916
01:06:54,678 --> 01:06:56,889
[Kapler] The domino
effect was huge.
917
01:06:57,056 --> 01:07:01,310
The fact that this is happening
by all these major museums,
918
01:07:01,477 --> 01:07:04,563
and also Nan has her
hand in every single one,
919
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:09,193
including the Tate, is major,
and then the Met followed.
920
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,154
But it was not
good enough for us.
921
01:07:12,321 --> 01:07:16,492
We had a very clear demand:
No longer accept Sackler money.
922
01:07:16,659 --> 01:07:19,578
You know, then the next part
obviously is take down the name.
923
01:07:25,793 --> 01:07:30,214
[Keefe] Subsequently, we
then saw this WhatsApp log
924
01:07:30,381 --> 01:07:33,133
that came out from the
Mortimer Sackler family members,
925
01:07:34,009 --> 01:07:36,929
and you actually see them
start to talk about Nan Goldin.
926
01:07:37,596 --> 01:07:43,269
They talk about it solely as a matter
of public relations management.
927
01:07:43,435 --> 01:07:47,481
You don't have a single person
who says, "Well, wait a second,
928
01:07:48,357 --> 01:07:50,401
maybe there's some
substance to this critique.
929
01:07:50,568 --> 01:07:52,778
We should look hard
at what we've done.
930
01:07:52,945 --> 01:07:57,157
Is there some way we can make amends?
Are there questions we should be asking?"
931
01:07:57,324 --> 01:07:59,535
Instead, it's just entirely,
932
01:07:59,702 --> 01:08:03,205
"How do we manage
this PR problem?"
933
01:08:10,004 --> 01:08:12,548
[Poitras] When did you know
you were being followed?
934
01:08:14,466 --> 01:08:20,806
I was leaving Nan's by
myself on a Friday night.
935
01:08:21,557 --> 01:08:22,725
And...
936
01:08:24,852 --> 01:08:26,687
I noticed a car.
937
01:08:27,771 --> 01:08:32,943
I noticed that the person
sitting in it is obscuring his face.
938
01:08:33,819 --> 01:08:37,781
And the second I'm
directly across from him,
939
01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:39,783
he kind of looks at me.
940
01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:48,959
The next week, as I'm
crossing my direct street,
941
01:08:49,126 --> 01:08:53,172
up to the stop
sign pulls this car.
942
01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:57,801
And I looked at him.
943
01:08:59,303 --> 01:09:02,014
And I just kept walking.
944
01:09:02,181 --> 01:09:05,559
I walked for like 15 feet or
so, and when I looked back,
945
01:09:05,726 --> 01:09:08,103
he was just taking
my photo from his car.
946
01:09:11,482 --> 01:09:15,819
And, like, I'm just having
a memory of that moment
947
01:09:15,986 --> 01:09:17,196
because it's like...
948
01:09:17,363 --> 01:09:18,364
There is no...
949
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:21,742
I don't think I've experienced a
greater fear than that moment,
950
01:09:21,909 --> 01:09:24,036
'cause I don't know
who the fuck this guy is.
951
01:09:25,788 --> 01:09:28,290
But I know it's the same
guy from the week before.
952
01:09:32,252 --> 01:09:35,422
So I think I even yelled at him,
but I don't even know if he knew.
953
01:09:35,589 --> 01:09:40,010
He peeled out,
and I was terrified.
954
01:09:40,928 --> 01:09:42,012
And then,
955
01:09:43,138 --> 01:09:44,765
imagine my shock
956
01:09:44,932 --> 01:09:48,560
when the next week,
exactly a week later,
957
01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:50,646
this guy is outside of Nan's.
958
01:09:58,821 --> 01:10:01,990
We just walked
out of Nan's house.
959
01:10:02,157 --> 01:10:04,910
The same car is in
front of the house again.
960
01:10:13,585 --> 01:10:16,088
[man] And the guy is...
961
01:10:17,506 --> 01:10:18,799
right there...
962
01:10:19,591 --> 01:10:22,386
watching me film him right now.
963
01:10:23,595 --> 01:10:25,097
[horn honking]
964
01:10:25,264 --> 01:10:27,015
[Kapler] He's
pulling out right now.
965
01:10:32,771 --> 01:10:36,483
I went out with my wife and two
children. I have two small boys.
966
01:10:37,234 --> 01:10:40,696
We walked out one day to run an
errand, and we were getting into the car,
967
01:10:40,863 --> 01:10:43,657
and a neighbor came
over and she said,
968
01:10:43,824 --> 01:10:47,578
"Hey, I don't want to freak
you out, but just up there,
969
01:10:47,745 --> 01:10:50,205
there's a guy who's parked
across the street from my house
970
01:10:50,372 --> 01:10:55,002
in an SUV, and he's been there all
day, and I think he's watching your house."
971
01:10:55,169 --> 01:10:56,837
So the first thing I
thought, of course,
972
01:10:57,004 --> 01:10:58,922
is that I knew that Nan
had had this experience
973
01:10:59,089 --> 01:11:00,758
and Megan had
had this experience.
974
01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:02,300
Um...
975
01:11:03,427 --> 01:11:08,515
And so it felt of a piece
in terms of the M.O.
976
01:11:10,309 --> 01:11:14,730
When I was fact-checking my book,
I asked Purdue if they knew anything
977
01:11:14,897 --> 01:11:18,692
about these people who've been
following Nan and Megan and me,
978
01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:22,654
and Purdue came back and said,
979
01:11:22,821 --> 01:11:24,865
"Absolutely not. We would
never do such a thing.
980
01:11:25,032 --> 01:11:25,783
That's outrageous."
981
01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:27,826
Really strenuously denying it,
982
01:11:27,993 --> 01:11:32,998
and in my queries to the Sacklers,
I asked the same thing, and...
983
01:11:33,165 --> 01:11:35,626
There were some of
the things I asked about
984
01:11:35,793 --> 01:11:37,211
that they came back and denied.
985
01:11:37,377 --> 01:11:38,754
And this was not one of them.
986
01:11:49,056 --> 01:11:51,183
[man] Bob is one of
our board members.
987
01:11:53,519 --> 01:11:54,770
[Kapler] Hi, how are you?
988
01:11:54,937 --> 01:11:57,648
[man] Now, admittedly,
it's a little crazy...
989
01:12:00,609 --> 01:12:03,153
[woman] So has anybody
had a Narcan kit before
990
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,239
or have been through
a Narcan training?
991
01:12:05,405 --> 01:12:07,991
Yeah, I got a kit a
couple of weeks ago.
992
01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:10,452
I have a kit in my house,
but I haven't been trained.
993
01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:14,498
Okay. So I'm just going to go
over a couple of the essentials,
994
01:12:14,665 --> 01:12:16,583
signs and symptoms
of an opiate overdose,
995
01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:17,751
and how to use Narcan
996
01:12:17,918 --> 01:12:20,087
to reverse an opiate
overdose, okay?
997
01:12:20,671 --> 01:12:24,383
So if you see somebody who you think
could be experiencing an opiate overdose,
998
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:26,844
you say, "Are you okay?"
They don't respond.
999
01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:29,346
You do the sternal rub,
they still don't respond.
1000
01:12:29,513 --> 01:12:31,890
You may shake them.
If they still don't respond,
1001
01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:33,600
that's when you're
gonna give Narcan.
1002
01:12:33,767 --> 01:12:36,353
So you're going to give
Narcan and call 911.
1003
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,606
You can do whichever you
want to do first, but do both.
1004
01:12:39,773 --> 01:12:42,734
Open it up, hold it, spray
it up their nose, okay?
1005
01:12:42,901 --> 01:12:45,654
If it's not an overdose, it's not
gonna hurt them and won't work.
1006
01:12:45,821 --> 01:12:48,448
But if it is an overdose,
it's gonna save their life.
1007
01:12:48,615 --> 01:12:49,615
Okay?
1008
01:12:50,158 --> 01:12:53,036
[Cullen] Focusing on harm reduction
is what's going to bring people
1009
01:12:53,203 --> 01:12:54,621
out of this crisis.
1010
01:12:54,788 --> 01:12:58,584
Safe consumption sites, reducing
stigma, and helping drug users
1011
01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,295
is the long goal, so...
1012
01:13:10,846 --> 01:13:13,307
[woman] Okay, we're
gonna start the hearing.
1013
01:13:13,473 --> 01:13:14,474
Good morning.
1014
01:13:14,641 --> 01:13:17,352
I'd like to welcome
you to today's hearing
1015
01:13:17,519 --> 01:13:21,899
on the adequacy of funding for
substance use disorder services.
1016
01:13:22,065 --> 01:13:24,401
Our next witness is Nan Goldin,
1017
01:13:24,568 --> 01:13:28,530
founder of Prescription
Addiction Intervention Now.
1018
01:13:29,156 --> 01:13:32,701
I'm gonna speak, by and large,
from the personal experience.
1019
01:13:32,868 --> 01:13:36,413
That maybe will help
inform you of what it means,
1020
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:39,625
some of these bills
that you're trying to pass,
1021
01:13:39,791 --> 01:13:41,960
what it actually impacts
on a human being.
1022
01:13:42,628 --> 01:13:47,090
I wouldn't have gotten off
Oxy without buprenorphine.
1023
01:13:47,841 --> 01:13:52,262
On a small dose of buprenorphine,
cravings for opioids are reduced.
1024
01:13:52,429 --> 01:13:53,805
At larger doses,
1025
01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:57,225
you can't even feel the
effects of opioids if you try.
1026
01:13:57,392 --> 01:13:58,852
I was one of the lucky ones
1027
01:13:59,019 --> 01:14:02,898
who was able to access MAT
immediately and afford good treatment.
1028
01:14:03,065 --> 01:14:06,193
Doctors need to pay to
train and receive a waiver
1029
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,070
to prescribe buprenorphine,
1030
01:14:08,236 --> 01:14:12,240
when no such certificate is
required to prescribe OxyContin.
1031
01:14:12,407 --> 01:14:15,577
Again, this is a policy
that increases the stigma
1032
01:14:15,744 --> 01:14:19,790
in the medical community about
treating people addicted to drugs.
1033
01:14:19,957 --> 01:14:22,334
People need to be kept alive.
1034
01:14:22,501 --> 01:14:26,630
Addiction is not a moral
issue. It is not a criminal issue.
1035
01:14:26,797 --> 01:14:28,924
Harm reduction means not only
1036
01:14:29,091 --> 01:14:32,386
recovering the harm caused
by the disease of addiction,
1037
01:14:32,552 --> 01:14:36,556
but also the harm caused by
the social and moral assault
1038
01:14:36,723 --> 01:14:39,017
on people with
substance use disorder.
1039
01:14:41,478 --> 01:14:42,896
[woman] Thank you very much.
1040
01:14:43,063 --> 01:14:46,984
It's important to hear from people
who take Medication-Assisted Treatment.
1041
01:14:47,150 --> 01:14:48,443
But I'm not ashamed of it.
1042
01:14:48,610 --> 01:14:51,530
- No.
- And it's not my road to recovery.
1043
01:14:51,697 --> 01:14:54,449
- It is my recovery.
- That's important to share.
1044
01:14:54,616 --> 01:14:58,912
People think you have to be off
everything in order to be in recovery,
1045
01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:00,914
and that's certainly not true.
1046
01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:03,333
[Nan] Yeah, the
stigma is terrible.
1047
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,210
Okay. Thank you so much.
1048
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:24,354
Lock arms?
1049
01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:33,739
[Kapler] We joined with Housing
Works and Vocal New York,
1050
01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:36,074
who really wanted
to do an action...
1051
01:15:36,241 --> 01:15:38,660
- [man] We are here...
- [all] We are here...
1052
01:15:38,827 --> 01:15:41,955
- to draw attention to...
- to draw attention to...
1053
01:15:42,122 --> 01:15:46,334
- Overdose Awareness Day!
- Overdose Awareness Day!
1054
01:15:46,501 --> 01:15:48,587
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1055
01:15:48,754 --> 01:15:50,589
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1056
01:15:50,756 --> 01:15:52,549
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1057
01:15:52,716 --> 01:15:54,593
- No stigma!
- No shame!
1058
01:15:55,802 --> 01:15:57,721
[Miescher] In order to
do the harm reduction,
1059
01:15:57,888 --> 01:16:01,641
the safe consumption sites
invite people in and say,
1060
01:16:01,808 --> 01:16:07,647
"Look, whatever you're dependent
on is not what we question right now.
1061
01:16:07,814 --> 01:16:10,692
We just want you to be
able to do it in a safe way,
1062
01:16:10,859 --> 01:16:12,235
not put anybody at risk.
1063
01:16:13,528 --> 01:16:15,781
Here's how to shoot
up in a clean way.
1064
01:16:16,948 --> 01:16:19,868
You don't know what you
bought, we'll test it for you."
1065
01:16:21,036 --> 01:16:24,915
- [all] Hey, Cuomo, what do you say?
- How many people died today?
1066
01:16:25,082 --> 01:16:26,917
[chanting continues]
1067
01:16:33,006 --> 01:16:37,344
No more deaths! No more
deaths! No more deaths!
1068
01:16:39,179 --> 01:16:41,515
[shouting and cheering]
1069
01:16:45,644 --> 01:16:47,020
[slide projector clicks]
1070
01:16:56,738 --> 01:17:01,576
I went to rehab for
the first time in 1988.
1071
01:17:05,497 --> 01:17:08,792
I had been kind of
isolated from my friends.
1072
01:17:11,419 --> 01:17:14,256
I thought I was going
back to my community.
1073
01:17:15,799 --> 01:17:19,136
And then I realized most of
the people were dead or dying.
1074
01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:22,305
[activists] We'll never
be silent again! Act Up!
1075
01:17:22,472 --> 01:17:24,307
We'll never be
silent again! Act Up!
1076
01:17:24,474 --> 01:17:26,601
[chanting continues]
1077
01:17:31,898 --> 01:17:34,693
Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS!
1078
01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:37,904
Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS!
1079
01:17:39,072 --> 01:17:40,949
[clamoring and cheering]
1080
01:17:48,582 --> 01:17:50,542
[Nan] It was like World War II.
1081
01:17:51,877 --> 01:17:55,839
That we watched everybody get wiped
out, and there was nothing we could do.
1082
01:18:03,972 --> 01:18:08,560
I got a call from Artists Space,
and they asked me to curate a show.
1083
01:18:11,563 --> 01:18:14,024
I wanted the subject
of it to be AIDS,
1084
01:18:15,025 --> 01:18:18,862
and I was told there hadn't
been any shows about AIDS.
1085
01:18:23,658 --> 01:18:28,163
I asked all my friends
to contribute something
1086
01:18:28,330 --> 01:18:30,415
because I wanted it
to be a community.
1087
01:18:31,541 --> 01:18:33,501
It was the first show I curated.
1088
01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:39,925
[Wojnarowicz] Mortality no
longer feels like some abstraction
1089
01:18:40,091 --> 01:18:43,261
that I could push away
to the age of 80 or 90, or...
1090
01:18:43,428 --> 01:18:49,309
There's no longer a luxury of
pushing the idea of mortality away.
1091
01:18:52,938 --> 01:18:56,399
[Nan] David Wojnarowicz
was my spiritual guide.
1092
01:18:56,566 --> 01:18:58,693
He was my political guide.
1093
01:19:04,324 --> 01:19:06,785
[Wojnarowicz] "If you wanna
stop AIDS, shoot the queers,"
1094
01:19:06,952 --> 01:19:08,620
says the governor
of Texas on the radio.
1095
01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:12,082
And his press secretary later
claims the governor was only joking,
1096
01:19:12,249 --> 01:19:14,209
and didn't know the
microphone was turned on.
1097
01:19:14,376 --> 01:19:17,796
He didn't think it would hurt his
chances for re-election anyways.
1098
01:19:17,963 --> 01:19:19,381
And I wake up every morning.
1099
01:19:19,547 --> 01:19:22,550
I wake up every morning in this
killing machine called America,
1100
01:19:22,717 --> 01:19:25,095
and I'm carrying this
rage like a blood-filled egg.
1101
01:19:25,262 --> 01:19:26,596
And there's a thin line,
1102
01:19:26,763 --> 01:19:29,099
a thin line between the
inside and the outside,
1103
01:19:29,266 --> 01:19:31,643
a thin line between
thought and action.
1104
01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:34,896
And that line is simply made up
of blood and muscle and bone.
1105
01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:37,983
I've been looking all my
life at the signs around us,
1106
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:39,859
in the media, or
on people's lips,
1107
01:19:40,026 --> 01:19:42,737
the religious types outside
St. Patrick's Cathedral
1108
01:19:42,904 --> 01:19:44,948
shouting to the men and
women in the gay parade:
1109
01:19:45,115 --> 01:19:48,535
"You won't be here next year!
You'll get AIDS and die! Ha, ha!"
1110
01:19:54,791 --> 01:19:59,170
Nan Goldin curated
this show with the idea
1111
01:19:59,337 --> 01:20:03,425
of choosing the work
of people that she knew
1112
01:20:03,591 --> 01:20:06,803
who were affected by AIDS,
who were living with AIDS.
1113
01:20:09,222 --> 01:20:12,726
She wanted to dispel the
notion of the AIDS victim.
1114
01:20:14,519 --> 01:20:17,188
I'm hardly a victim
if I can resist.
1115
01:20:17,355 --> 01:20:21,318
What I see is institutionalized
ignorance about this epidemic.
1116
01:20:24,529 --> 01:20:28,074
She also wanted to deal
with issues of sexuality
1117
01:20:28,241 --> 01:20:30,410
in the midst of this epidemic.
1118
01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:36,750
That there was sexuality,
there was safe sexuality,
1119
01:20:36,916 --> 01:20:40,628
and that this was going
to continue to occur
1120
01:20:40,795 --> 01:20:45,050
despite the silencing of that
information by a church or government.
1121
01:20:48,345 --> 01:20:50,722
[Nan] There's really
important work in the show.
1122
01:20:52,766 --> 01:20:55,518
Like David's.
Like Peter Hujar's.
1123
01:20:58,521 --> 01:21:00,357
Philip-Lorca diCorcia.
1124
01:21:01,733 --> 01:21:03,276
Mark Morrisroe.
1125
01:21:04,444 --> 01:21:06,029
Greer Lankton.
1126
01:21:07,364 --> 01:21:08,740
Darrel Ellis.
1127
01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:13,078
People both really well-known
and people unknown.
1128
01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:19,334
It was about the
loss of a community
1129
01:21:20,627 --> 01:21:24,172
and trying to keep
people's legacy alive.
1130
01:21:30,136 --> 01:21:33,139
I called David and asked
him to write for my catalog.
1131
01:21:34,808 --> 01:21:39,396
I sent him pictures of some
of the work that was in it,
1132
01:21:39,562 --> 01:21:42,482
and I said, "You can
write whatever you want.
1133
01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:44,234
I'll support
whatever you write."
1134
01:21:44,901 --> 01:21:47,237
I was asked to
write a catalog essay
1135
01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:52,450
pertaining to a show dealing with
AIDS and a community of people.
1136
01:21:52,617 --> 01:21:55,286
So I started talking about
what I was experiencing
1137
01:21:55,453 --> 01:21:59,499
right there in my life and dealing
with image and representation
1138
01:21:59,666 --> 01:22:05,588
and everything seen through the framework
of having a taboo disease in this society.
1139
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,343
[Nan] I love that this
tiny little skinny catalog
1140
01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:14,180
with thumbnail reproductions
in black and white
1141
01:22:14,347 --> 01:22:17,892
could cause a major
political shake-up.
1142
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,814
[reporter 1] At the Artists
Space Gallery in Tribeca,
1143
01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:25,608
preparations are still
underway for next week's exhibit,
1144
01:22:25,775 --> 01:22:29,154
but the National Endowment of
the Arts has canceled its grant.
1145
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,115
[reporter 2] The National Endowment
for the Arts refuses to sponsor
1146
01:22:32,282 --> 01:22:33,783
an art show here
in New York City
1147
01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:36,369
because it deals with
AIDS and homosexuality
1148
01:22:36,536 --> 01:22:38,955
and also offends some
political sensibilities.
1149
01:22:39,122 --> 01:22:41,624
One thing I want to point
out is that it's artist-organized.
1150
01:22:41,791 --> 01:22:44,752
It's organized by a
photographer named Nan Goldin...
1151
01:22:44,919 --> 01:22:49,257
[Nan] Susan Wyatt, the director,
got nervous about David's writing,
1152
01:22:49,424 --> 01:22:51,759
and so she took it to the NEA.
1153
01:22:52,677 --> 01:22:56,306
[reporter 3] The catalog reportedly
criticizes Senator Jesse Helms
1154
01:22:56,473 --> 01:22:59,058
for his position on
homosexuality and art,
1155
01:22:59,225 --> 01:23:04,314
and calls New York Cardinal
O'Connor "a fat cannibal in a black skirt."
1156
01:23:06,191 --> 01:23:08,318
[man] You think the
phone is gonna ring again?
1157
01:23:08,485 --> 01:23:09,235
Any minute.
1158
01:23:09,402 --> 01:23:12,822
- What do you think it's gonna be?
- It's probably Cardinal O'Connor
1159
01:23:12,989 --> 01:23:17,118
expressing his direct
support of my statements
1160
01:23:17,285 --> 01:23:21,664
and admitting that since he
does feast on the body of Christ
1161
01:23:21,831 --> 01:23:22,999
that he is a cannibal.
1162
01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:26,961
And that, yes, he does have
a penchant for black skirts.
1163
01:23:27,128 --> 01:23:31,216
He is fat, translucent,
and immoral.
1164
01:23:36,513 --> 01:23:40,934
[Nan] After the news first
broke, David called, really upset,
1165
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:45,230
and told me that they were
trying to make him take out
1166
01:23:45,396 --> 01:23:47,982
"fat fucking cannibal
in black skirts."
1167
01:23:50,235 --> 01:23:52,362
I think it's very
dangerous and very scary.
1168
01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:56,491
I see an outbreak of McCarthyism
and a blacklisting of artists
1169
01:23:56,658 --> 01:23:58,952
if this is continued
to allow to happen.
1170
01:24:01,704 --> 01:24:06,167
{\an8}What happened is that the artistic
focus of the show really was lost,
1171
01:24:06,334 --> 01:24:11,005
{\an8}and what turned out to be
the show in its present form
1172
01:24:11,172 --> 01:24:14,259
{\an8}was not, and is not,
sound artistically.
1173
01:24:15,677 --> 01:24:18,513
{\an8}[reporter] Composer Leonard
Bernstein managed to become embroiled
1174
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:19,472
in the controversy.
1175
01:24:19,639 --> 01:24:22,559
This after declining the
National Medal of Arts
1176
01:24:22,725 --> 01:24:25,603
because of the NEA
action taking away the grant.
1177
01:24:26,854 --> 01:24:30,817
And the thing that makes me
laugh is, if at this point in time,
1178
01:24:30,984 --> 01:24:35,280
images and words that can be
made by an individual have such power
1179
01:24:35,446 --> 01:24:40,034
to create this storm of
controversy, isn't that great?
1180
01:24:40,201 --> 01:24:43,538
It means that the control of
information has a crack in its wall.
1181
01:24:44,956 --> 01:24:46,457
[phone rings]
1182
01:24:48,876 --> 01:24:50,962
Hello. Yeah.
1183
01:24:52,255 --> 01:24:53,255
Hi.
1184
01:24:55,341 --> 01:24:56,843
Well, it's just been a zoo.
1185
01:24:57,010 --> 01:25:00,221
[reporter on TV] Senator Alfonse
D'Amato tore up an art catalog...
1186
01:25:00,388 --> 01:25:03,516
[Wojnarowicz] How can they
ignore the political aspect of AIDS?
1187
01:25:03,683 --> 01:25:06,185
Is the fact that I may
be dying of AIDS in 1989,
1188
01:25:06,352 --> 01:25:07,604
is that not political?
1189
01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:09,647
Is the fact that I don't
have health insurance
1190
01:25:09,814 --> 01:25:11,858
and I don't have access
to adequate health care,
1191
01:25:12,025 --> 01:25:13,526
is that not political?
1192
01:25:19,782 --> 01:25:21,909
♪♪ [ambient]
1193
01:25:27,332 --> 01:25:30,335
[Nan] Vittorio was given
three months to live,
1194
01:25:30,501 --> 01:25:32,879
and he started drawing cartoons.
1195
01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:43,848
He was still alive a
year and a half later.
1196
01:25:47,018 --> 01:25:49,979
That's the wake of Vittorio.
1197
01:25:57,278 --> 01:25:59,364
Cookie had already
lost her voice.
1198
01:26:00,573 --> 01:26:02,116
But she was constantly writing
1199
01:26:02,992 --> 01:26:05,787
so people could see what
she needed and wanted.
1200
01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:11,042
Then Sharon came back
to take care of Cookie.
1201
01:26:15,546 --> 01:26:18,841
The picture of Sharon
nursing Cookie...
1202
01:26:19,008 --> 01:26:21,302
To me, this is the
meaning of love.
1203
01:26:27,767 --> 01:26:29,477
I was raging.
1204
01:26:29,644 --> 01:26:31,854
"Call this doctor.
Call that doctor.
1205
01:26:32,021 --> 01:26:34,399
Someone's gonna
be able to help her.
1206
01:26:34,565 --> 01:26:38,403
There's gotta be something. There's
a treatment out there somewhere."
1207
01:26:38,569 --> 01:26:41,114
And then to realize there
was no doctor to call.
1208
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,491
It was just... I didn't get it.
1209
01:26:45,535 --> 01:26:47,203
♪♪ [ambient]
1210
01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:04,470
We had Cookie's memorial
at St. Mark's Church,
1211
01:27:04,637 --> 01:27:07,223
and the next day,
Witnesses opened.
1212
01:27:10,476 --> 01:27:12,645
[Wojnarowicz] My name
is David Wojnarowicz,
1213
01:27:12,812 --> 01:27:14,939
and I'd like to read this
in memory of Peter Hujar,
1214
01:27:15,106 --> 01:27:17,442
{\an8}Keith Davis, Bebe Smith,
1215
01:27:17,608 --> 01:27:19,360
{\an8}Cookie Mueller, Vittorio.
1216
01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:24,031
{\an8}One of the first steps in
making the private grief public
1217
01:27:24,198 --> 01:27:26,325
{\an8}is the ritual of memorials,
1218
01:27:26,492 --> 01:27:29,579
{\an8}and I've attended a number of
memorials in the last five years,
1219
01:27:29,746 --> 01:27:32,623
{\an8}and at the last one I attended, I
suddenly found myself experiencing
1220
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:34,667
something akin to rage.
1221
01:27:34,834 --> 01:27:36,210
And what made me angry,
1222
01:27:36,377 --> 01:27:38,463
what made me angry was
realizing that the memorial
1223
01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:41,174
had little reverberation
outside the room it was held in,
1224
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:43,009
and at the same
time, worry that friends
1225
01:27:43,176 --> 01:27:45,052
will solely become
professional pallbearers,
1226
01:27:45,219 --> 01:27:48,014
waiting for each death of their
lovers, friends, and neighbors,
1227
01:27:48,181 --> 01:27:50,141
and polishing their
funereal speeches.
1228
01:27:50,308 --> 01:27:51,934
Perfecting their
rituals of death
1229
01:27:52,101 --> 01:27:54,562
rather than a relatively
simple ritual of life,
1230
01:27:54,729 --> 01:27:56,731
such as screaming
in the streets.
1231
01:27:58,065 --> 01:28:02,153
{\an8}[activists] Not the church! Not the
state! We decide what art is great!
1232
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,322
{\an8}[chanting continues]
1233
01:28:08,284 --> 01:28:10,286
{\an8}Step on the sidewalk,
can't stay in the street.
1234
01:28:10,453 --> 01:28:12,288
{\an8}[Wojnarowicz] I imagine
what it would be like
1235
01:28:12,455 --> 01:28:14,957
{\an8}if friends had a demonstration
each time a lover or a friend
1236
01:28:15,124 --> 01:28:16,375
{\an8}or a stranger died of AIDS.
1237
01:28:16,542 --> 01:28:18,044
And I imagine
what it would be like,
1238
01:28:18,211 --> 01:28:20,797
each time a lover, friend,
or stranger died of AIDS,
1239
01:28:20,963 --> 01:28:22,006
or of this disease.
1240
01:28:22,173 --> 01:28:24,759
Their friends, lovers, or neighbors
would take their dead body
1241
01:28:24,926 --> 01:28:28,429
and drive with it in a car 100
miles an hour to Washington, D. C.
1242
01:28:28,596 --> 01:28:30,556
and blast through the
gates of the White House
1243
01:28:30,723 --> 01:28:32,809
and come to a screeching
halt before the entrance,
1244
01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:35,978
and then dump their lifeless
forms on the front steps.
1245
01:28:37,271 --> 01:28:39,941
But bottom line, even
a tiny charcoal scratch
1246
01:28:40,107 --> 01:28:42,235
done as a gesture to
mark a person's response
1247
01:28:42,401 --> 01:28:46,697
to this epidemic means whole
worlds to me if it's hung in public.
1248
01:28:46,864 --> 01:28:48,074
And bottom line,
1249
01:28:48,241 --> 01:28:51,077
we have to find our own forms
of gesture and communication.
1250
01:28:51,244 --> 01:28:54,288
You can never depend on
the mass media to reflect us
1251
01:28:54,455 --> 01:28:57,083
or our needs or
our states of mind.
1252
01:28:57,625 --> 01:28:59,585
[chanting indistinctly]
1253
01:28:59,752 --> 01:29:03,965
NEA, stop your tricks!
Art is sex and politics!
1254
01:29:06,634 --> 01:29:10,847
[Nan] Mark Morrisroe
died soon after it opened.
1255
01:29:12,765 --> 01:29:14,517
♪♪ [ambient]
1256
01:29:15,935 --> 01:29:19,146
David Wojnarowicz died in 1992.
1257
01:29:23,609 --> 01:29:27,071
People don't really understand
the anger and frustration
1258
01:29:27,238 --> 01:29:29,448
and pain of those years.
1259
01:29:33,995 --> 01:29:37,081
They don't understand
what we went through.
1260
01:29:43,004 --> 01:29:44,714
It's still killing people.
1261
01:29:46,424 --> 01:29:48,050
It never went away.
1262
01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:55,766
David Armstrong died in 2014.
1263
01:29:59,854 --> 01:30:03,441
You know, we spent
a lot of a life together.
1264
01:30:07,904 --> 01:30:10,406
Decades of friendship.
1265
01:30:31,761 --> 01:30:35,556
[in French] Sacklers, we're
dying! And the Louvre covers it up!
1266
01:30:35,723 --> 01:30:39,393
Sacklers, we're dying!
And the Louvre covers it up!
1267
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,437
[chanting continues]
1268
01:30:50,237 --> 01:30:54,408
Many people have started to
refuse donations from the Sacklers,
1269
01:30:54,575 --> 01:30:58,788
including the Guggenheim
Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate,
1270
01:30:58,955 --> 01:31:00,581
and the National
Portrait Gallery,
1271
01:31:00,748 --> 01:31:03,834
as well as medical
institutions worldwide.
1272
01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:08,589
We need to demand that the
Louvre stand by and hear us,
1273
01:31:08,756 --> 01:31:10,716
and be the first to
take down their name.
1274
01:31:14,929 --> 01:31:16,847
[snare drum playing]
1275
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,559
[Poitras] Can I
ask you a question?
1276
01:32:02,226 --> 01:32:03,226
[Nan] What?
1277
01:32:03,769 --> 01:32:05,688
When you overdosed,
were you alone?
1278
01:32:06,605 --> 01:32:07,690
[Nan] Yeah.
1279
01:32:09,525 --> 01:32:10,568
Totally.
1280
01:32:15,072 --> 01:32:18,993
I thought it was dope, so I
snorted it and it was fentanyl.
1281
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,292
A lot of people want fentanyl,
but I was not prepared for fentanyl.
1282
01:32:26,459 --> 01:32:30,463
And I just went out like that.
1283
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:31,629
I just went out.
1284
01:32:33,716 --> 01:32:37,219
And then I came back,
and then I went out again.
1285
01:32:39,096 --> 01:32:41,599
Nobody brought me
back. I just came back.
1286
01:32:42,933 --> 01:32:46,562
I'm so lucky that I
came back by myself.
1287
01:32:52,902 --> 01:32:58,240
I mean, all the judgment of
people who are addicted to drugs
1288
01:32:58,407 --> 01:33:01,535
are stigmatized without
understanding what the experience
1289
01:33:01,702 --> 01:33:04,288
of not having these drugs is.
1290
01:33:08,125 --> 01:33:10,544
To have to go
through withdrawal...
1291
01:33:12,004 --> 01:33:15,049
Your brain is stripped
of its opioid receptors,
1292
01:33:15,216 --> 01:33:19,178
so you have no protection
from any kind of pain.
1293
01:33:21,514 --> 01:33:23,557
It's not just the physical part.
1294
01:33:24,725 --> 01:33:25,726
It's like...
1295
01:33:26,811 --> 01:33:28,229
the darkest...
1296
01:33:29,814 --> 01:33:31,107
you can go.
1297
01:33:31,273 --> 01:33:33,192
It's a darkness of the soul.
1298
01:33:36,237 --> 01:33:37,822
It's unbearable.
1299
01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,705
♪♪ [ambient strings]
1300
01:33:56,173 --> 01:33:57,883
[dial tone over phone]
1301
01:33:59,051 --> 01:34:03,139
[man 1 over phone] Okay, I am here.
You can come by whenever you want.
1302
01:34:03,764 --> 01:34:04,974
- [woman] Hello?
- [man 1] Hi.
1303
01:34:05,141 --> 01:34:08,310
- [woman] What did you say?
- I'm here at the restaurant.
1304
01:34:08,477 --> 01:34:10,020
You can come here
whenever you want.
1305
01:34:10,187 --> 01:34:13,149
- Great. How many did you get?
- All that you wanted.
1306
01:34:13,315 --> 01:34:14,315
[phone disconnects]
1307
01:34:27,163 --> 01:34:28,497
[dial tone]
1308
01:34:29,540 --> 01:34:30,791
- [woman] Yeah?
- [man 2] Hi.
1309
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:33,335
- [woman] Who is it?
- You still in the bed?
1310
01:34:33,502 --> 01:34:35,671
[woman] Oh, no, I
never went to sleep.
1311
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:39,967
You know what really
hit me as peculiar?
1312
01:34:40,843 --> 01:34:43,095
And I've been thinking
about it all morning.
1313
01:34:44,138 --> 01:34:47,308
Misery does not love company.
Misery loves attention...
1314
01:34:47,474 --> 01:34:49,602
- [woman laughs]
- in this case.
1315
01:34:50,853 --> 01:34:53,480
♪♪ [ambient strings]
1316
01:35:18,756 --> 01:35:20,341
[chattering]
1317
01:35:33,395 --> 01:35:35,814
[Nan] The supply
has become very dirty.
1318
01:35:36,398 --> 01:35:37,816
Basically lethal.
1319
01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:42,863
Okay, here we go.
1320
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:45,032
Fentanyl is in everything now.
1321
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:48,077
And this is fentanyl here?
1322
01:35:48,244 --> 01:35:50,246
[woman] So fentanyl
has, like, one big peak.
1323
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:52,331
Coke has two peaks right here.
1324
01:35:52,498 --> 01:35:54,375
And they're at slightly
different numbers.
1325
01:35:54,541 --> 01:35:58,545
- [Nan] Okay.
- Here you can see this deviates.
1326
01:36:07,012 --> 01:36:09,640
[Nan] You want to show
them the bloody ones you did?
1327
01:36:10,766 --> 01:36:14,270
No, but it's good, 'cause then
it will be obvious it's not real.
1328
01:36:19,817 --> 01:36:22,611
- [woman] What is our messaging?
- [Cullen] Our messaging is:
1329
01:36:22,778 --> 01:36:25,531
"Purdue is bankrupt,
but the Sacklers aren't.
1330
01:36:25,698 --> 01:36:28,826
"Their personal wealth has
all been made from OxyContin
1331
01:36:28,993 --> 01:36:31,287
and it needs to be
taken from them."
1332
01:36:31,453 --> 01:36:35,624
[Nan] I think the messaging is the
Sacklers are getting away with murder.
1333
01:36:35,791 --> 01:36:38,836
We want their money and
where we want to spend it.
1334
01:36:40,504 --> 01:36:44,091
[Keefe] The company ends
up declaring bankruptcy.
1335
01:36:44,258 --> 01:36:48,137
That's this kind of amazing
escape hatch, because...
1336
01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:52,391
what happens is that
Purdue, the company, says,
1337
01:36:52,558 --> 01:36:54,476
"Listen, we realize
there's all these lawsuits,
1338
01:36:54,643 --> 01:36:59,606
but we don't have the resources
to fight or settle them all,
1339
01:36:59,773 --> 01:37:01,608
and so instead we're
gonna declare bankruptcy
1340
01:37:01,775 --> 01:37:03,652
because our coffers
are almost empty."
1341
01:37:04,361 --> 01:37:07,323
But the reason that the coffers
are almost empty, we now know,
1342
01:37:07,489 --> 01:37:08,657
is that behind the scenes
1343
01:37:08,824 --> 01:37:11,660
for a decade leading up
to this bankruptcy plea,
1344
01:37:12,328 --> 01:37:16,206
the Sacklers have been quietly
siphoning money out of the company.
1345
01:37:16,373 --> 01:37:19,960
So they took more than
$10 billion out of the company
1346
01:37:20,127 --> 01:37:22,838
before it declares bankruptcy.
1347
01:37:23,005 --> 01:37:25,382
- Whose money?
- Our money!
1348
01:37:25,549 --> 01:37:28,135
- Whose blood?
- Our blood!
1349
01:37:28,302 --> 01:37:30,137
[chanting continues]
1350
01:37:31,930 --> 01:37:33,390
♪♪ [ambient strings]
1351
01:37:40,147 --> 01:37:42,274
[man] You think they
could get away with this?
1352
01:37:42,441 --> 01:37:45,027
Of course. Yes.
1353
01:37:45,194 --> 01:37:47,613
I never expected that
they'd be held accountable.
1354
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:50,199
I don't think that much
money can be taken away
1355
01:37:50,366 --> 01:37:51,867
from a billionaire family.
1356
01:37:57,247 --> 01:38:00,292
The fact that a bankruptcy
court is deciding a public...
1357
01:38:00,459 --> 01:38:03,545
Like, a public
crisis issue, is crazy.
1358
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,090
That's the problem.
1359
01:38:06,256 --> 01:38:08,759
So I've been involved since
the beginning, basically.
1360
01:38:08,926 --> 01:38:10,844
At some point, a light
bulb went on and I said:
1361
01:38:11,011 --> 01:38:13,222
{\an8}"Let's bring the activism
into the courtroom,"
1362
01:38:13,389 --> 01:38:18,018
{\an8}and ever since then, we've
been fighting in the court.
1363
01:38:18,185 --> 01:38:20,813
{\an8}And we weren't exactly
welcome the first time.
1364
01:38:22,398 --> 01:38:27,986
{\an8}You know, we're like little
assassins, we go in... and get out.
1365
01:38:28,737 --> 01:38:33,283
{\an8}I told the lawyer for Purdue
that I'm doing it pro-bono.
1366
01:38:33,450 --> 01:38:34,993
{\an8}He was like, "What?"
1367
01:38:39,164 --> 01:38:41,166
{\an8}He was like, "What? Wait, what?"
1368
01:38:41,792 --> 01:38:44,545
You know, because they
spent $30 million a month
1369
01:38:44,711 --> 01:38:47,464
on legal fees and
professional fees in this case.
1370
01:38:49,591 --> 01:38:53,971
There's like 80-something
attorneys and people on this call.
1371
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:55,931
That's a lot.
1372
01:38:56,932 --> 01:38:59,560
{\an8}[man over speaker] Good
morning, this is Judge Drain.
1373
01:38:59,726 --> 01:39:02,771
{\an8}This is a completely
telephonic hearing.
1374
01:39:03,856 --> 01:39:08,569
{\an8}We're here today in
re: Purdue Pharma L.P.
1375
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:12,197
{\an8}Your Honor, we think
there's a huge mistake here.
1376
01:39:12,364 --> 01:39:15,742
{\an8}We think the process that the
DOJ went through was wrong.
1377
01:39:15,909 --> 01:39:19,913
{\an8}We think that the results, which
are completely vague and baffling
1378
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,874
to me and my clients, is wrong.
1379
01:39:22,916 --> 01:39:26,295
The DOJ neither invited
input from Purdue's victims,
1380
01:39:26,462 --> 01:39:30,299
nor the public, nor apparently any
members of the House and Senate.
1381
01:39:30,466 --> 01:39:32,759
The negotiation
between these two parties,
1382
01:39:32,926 --> 01:39:35,971
the DOJ and Purdue/The
Sacklers alone,
1383
01:39:36,138 --> 01:39:39,600
is not sufficient to make
this kind of policy decision.
1384
01:39:39,766 --> 01:39:42,394
My clients are like the
Ghost of Christmas Past,
1385
01:39:42,561 --> 01:39:46,815
they're here to tell you in 2007,
they saw there was a problem,
1386
01:39:46,982 --> 01:39:48,275
the problem got worse,
1387
01:39:48,442 --> 01:39:51,487
and this is our moment,
their moment, to tell you
1388
01:39:51,653 --> 01:39:55,115
we gotta make sure
that the future is safer.
1389
01:39:55,949 --> 01:39:57,159
{\an8}[judge] Okay, well...
1390
01:39:58,035 --> 01:39:59,703
{\an8}All right, thank you.
1391
01:40:00,496 --> 01:40:02,039
{\an8}[Huebner] Good
morning, Your Honor,
1392
01:40:02,206 --> 01:40:04,708
{\an8}and good morning to
everyone who is on the line.
1393
01:40:04,875 --> 01:40:07,169
{\an8}Your Honor, Mr. Quinn
many times used the phrase
1394
01:40:07,336 --> 01:40:09,004
{\an8}"Purdue/The Sacklers."
1395
01:40:09,171 --> 01:40:13,383
{\an8}The kind of suggestion that Purdue
and the Sacklers are in this together
1396
01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:15,260
{\an8}is really not helpful.
1397
01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:17,095
{\an8}And it's just... It's not fair.
1398
01:40:21,475 --> 01:40:23,477
[Nan] This is so depressing.
1399
01:40:23,644 --> 01:40:24,895
Thank you so much, Mike.
1400
01:40:25,062 --> 01:40:27,564
Thank you so much for
going out there and battling.
1401
01:40:28,273 --> 01:40:32,319
I feel proud to be doing it,
and, whatever. We're in it.
1402
01:40:32,486 --> 01:40:35,614
The fact that our group
is in the bankruptcy,
1403
01:40:35,781 --> 01:40:37,074
at the front of the bankruptcy,
1404
01:40:37,241 --> 01:40:39,576
fighting every single thing
tooth and nail is amazing.
1405
01:40:39,743 --> 01:40:43,205
- Yeah, it's pretty funny.
- It's fucking crazy.
1406
01:40:43,372 --> 01:40:46,124
- Is there any chance of criminal charges?
- No.
1407
01:40:46,667 --> 01:40:48,001
The way the plan's structured,
1408
01:40:48,168 --> 01:40:52,422
if the DOJ filed criminal
charges against the Sacklers now,
1409
01:40:52,589 --> 01:40:54,591
it would blow up the
whole bankruptcy.
1410
01:40:55,133 --> 01:40:58,262
So effectively, they just
dodged criminal liability.
1411
01:41:16,196 --> 01:41:18,907
We followed these people
into bankruptcy court
1412
01:41:19,074 --> 01:41:23,579
and we're watching them completely
manipulate the justice system.
1413
01:41:23,745 --> 01:41:26,999
There's no justice for
us, only for billionaires.
1414
01:41:27,165 --> 01:41:30,502
So all we can hope is that
the money in the settlement
1415
01:41:30,669 --> 01:41:34,631
that goes to the states
goes to the right places,
1416
01:41:34,798 --> 01:41:37,634
that it goes to harm
reduction and not policing.
1417
01:41:37,801 --> 01:41:39,303
[cheering and applause]
1418
01:41:40,262 --> 01:41:43,640
That it goes to groups like
you that are saving lives.
1419
01:41:50,606 --> 01:41:53,150
[judge over speaker] This is
a proceeding in federal court.
1420
01:41:53,317 --> 01:41:54,985
It is being held remotely,
1421
01:41:55,861 --> 01:41:59,448
but the rules and decorum
of a federal court apply.
1422
01:42:06,288 --> 01:42:07,623
So let me confirm.
1423
01:42:07,789 --> 01:42:14,004
I see David Sackler on the
screen, and I see Theresa Sackler.
1424
01:42:15,505 --> 01:42:18,925
Richard Sackler is on the phone
1425
01:42:19,092 --> 01:42:22,054
and will stay on the phone
throughout this proceeding.
1426
01:42:22,220 --> 01:42:24,806
Dr. Sackler, can you
confirm that for me?
1427
01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:30,896
[Richard Sackler] Yes, Your Honor, I
am here on the phone and I'm listening.
1428
01:42:31,688 --> 01:42:35,817
[Price] Before we start, there's
one clarification I wanted to make.
1429
01:42:35,984 --> 01:42:39,237
I believe Richard
said that he is listening.
1430
01:42:39,404 --> 01:42:42,574
I believe he's also supposed
to say that he is watching.
1431
01:42:42,741 --> 01:42:45,327
He's supposed to be
watching the video but not seen.
1432
01:42:45,494 --> 01:42:46,703
Can he confirm that?
1433
01:42:48,538 --> 01:42:51,166
[Richard Sackler] I
can confirm that I saw...
1434
01:42:51,333 --> 01:42:52,584
I'm seeing everything.
1435
01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:55,504
[judge] Okay, and
that's important.
1436
01:42:55,671 --> 01:42:57,756
And thank you for
raising that, Mr. Price.
1437
01:42:57,923 --> 01:43:00,801
All right, the first person
who will speak today
1438
01:43:00,967 --> 01:43:02,344
is Tiffinee Scott.
1439
01:43:05,389 --> 01:43:06,389
Richard.
1440
01:43:07,349 --> 01:43:08,349
David.
1441
01:43:09,351 --> 01:43:10,394
Theresa.
1442
01:43:11,061 --> 01:43:12,229
We have never met,
1443
01:43:12,396 --> 01:43:15,607
but I feel like I already
have a relationship with you
1444
01:43:15,774 --> 01:43:17,192
due to OxyContin.
1445
01:43:18,318 --> 01:43:21,613
Have you ever provided
Narcan to one of your children?
1446
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:24,574
Have you revived one of your
children from an overdose?
1447
01:43:24,741 --> 01:43:25,741
I have.
1448
01:43:25,826 --> 01:43:28,328
There are no words
to describe my pain.
1449
01:43:28,495 --> 01:43:32,582
In May of 2020, she
was found unresponsive,
1450
01:43:32,749 --> 01:43:36,378
lifeless in bed by
me, her mother.
1451
01:43:36,545 --> 01:43:39,965
The deceit and horror you
all caused, shame on you.
1452
01:43:40,757 --> 01:43:44,094
I remember the day Trent told
me he was addicted to OxyContin.
1453
01:43:44,261 --> 01:43:47,013
He called me from the campus
of the University of Alabama.
1454
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:49,808
I could tell in his voice,
there was great fear.
1455
01:43:49,975 --> 01:43:52,310
I drove the three hours,
he met me in tears,
1456
01:43:52,477 --> 01:43:53,812
we wept together.
1457
01:43:53,979 --> 01:43:58,024
"Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy.
Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die."
1458
01:43:58,191 --> 01:44:00,152
- And he did.
- This is so hard.
1459
01:44:00,318 --> 01:44:02,404
[man] I encountered
opioids for the first time
1460
01:44:02,571 --> 01:44:04,614
shortly after you
launched OxyContin.
1461
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:09,911
And I am one of the living
survivors of your monumental greed.
1462
01:44:10,203 --> 01:44:12,122
I hope that every face,
1463
01:44:12,289 --> 01:44:17,085
every single victim's face haunts
your every waking moment...
1464
01:44:17,252 --> 01:44:18,086
It won't.
1465
01:44:18,253 --> 01:44:20,005
and your sleeping ones too.
1466
01:44:20,172 --> 01:44:21,256
[judge] Thank you.
1467
01:44:21,423 --> 01:44:23,800
The next person to
speak is Nan Goldin.
1468
01:44:24,926 --> 01:44:28,138
It's nice to finally see
the Sacklers face-to-face.
1469
01:44:28,847 --> 01:44:33,810
The Sacklers' so-called apology,
which was mandated by this settlement,
1470
01:44:33,977 --> 01:44:37,689
is insulting to all of us who
have been damaged by them.
1471
01:44:37,856 --> 01:44:43,737
One family is largely responsible
for the onset of this crisis
1472
01:44:43,904 --> 01:44:48,074
that has led to the deaths of
over half a million Americans
1473
01:44:48,241 --> 01:44:52,537
and caused irreparable
damage for generations to come.
1474
01:44:53,079 --> 01:44:58,001
Yet their settlement grants them
immunity, not just for themselves,
1475
01:44:58,168 --> 01:45:01,213
but for generations
of Sacklers to come.
1476
01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:04,800
Purdue has been found
guilty of federal crimes,
1477
01:45:04,966 --> 01:45:08,136
but its private owners
have never been prosecuted.
1478
01:45:08,303 --> 01:45:12,599
We hope the Justice Department
will pursue criminal charges.
1479
01:45:12,766 --> 01:45:13,767
Thank you.
1480
01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:16,978
[judge] Okay, thank you.
1481
01:45:19,815 --> 01:45:22,067
{\an8}[woman screaming on recording]
1482
01:45:25,987 --> 01:45:28,448
{\an8}[dispatcher] They're on the
way, they've been dispatched.
1483
01:45:28,615 --> 01:45:29,741
{\an8}Has he taken anything?
1484
01:45:29,908 --> 01:45:31,701
{\an8}[man] I just don't know.
He has in the past.
1485
01:45:31,868 --> 01:45:34,120
{\an8}[woman screaming and shouting]
1486
01:45:35,872 --> 01:45:37,249
{\an8}[Kapler] Oh, my God.
1487
01:45:37,415 --> 01:45:38,959
{\an8}[man speaking indistinctly]
1488
01:45:41,002 --> 01:45:43,338
- [dispatcher] You said he's 20 years old?
- [man] Yes.
1489
01:45:43,505 --> 01:45:45,507
- [dispatcher] What's his name?
- Pardon me?
1490
01:45:45,674 --> 01:45:47,801
- What's his name?
- Bryan... [indistinct]
1491
01:45:48,635 --> 01:45:51,304
- [dispatcher] We're on the way, okay?
- [man] Thank you, sir.
1492
01:45:53,306 --> 01:45:55,684
4,804 days.
1493
01:45:56,309 --> 01:45:58,436
Richard, if you're
still listening,
1494
01:45:58,603 --> 01:46:02,065
that's how many days since
I made that horrifying call.
1495
01:46:02,816 --> 01:46:07,487
I have lived with the pain and heartache
as a result of the loss of my only child,
1496
01:46:07,654 --> 01:46:10,407
a pain you will
never understand.
1497
01:46:10,574 --> 01:46:14,202
I can only echo the
pain and suffering
1498
01:46:15,745 --> 01:46:19,666
that Kristy feels and that all
of us that are here today feel.
1499
01:46:21,209 --> 01:46:26,256
I want to point out to the Sacklers that
by the time this two-hour hearing is over,
1500
01:46:26,423 --> 01:46:30,510
you can add 16 more
people to your death list.
1501
01:46:45,650 --> 01:46:48,069
[Nan] I asked my father
1502
01:46:48,987 --> 01:46:51,489
for records from the
hospitals she'd been in.
1503
01:46:53,533 --> 01:46:57,412
And he gave them to me
without reading them himself.
1504
01:47:03,668 --> 01:47:05,128
So this box came.
1505
01:47:05,962 --> 01:47:10,342
{\an8}"The Box," I think of it as,
with the primary documents.
1506
01:47:11,092 --> 01:47:12,594
{\an8}♪♪ [choir]
1507
01:47:15,764 --> 01:47:18,683
{\an8}There was the history
of Barbara for me to read,
1508
01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:21,561
{\an8}and I was terrified.
1509
01:47:22,729 --> 01:47:24,981
{\an8}I wanted to know, but
I didn't want to know.
1510
01:47:37,369 --> 01:47:40,455
{\an8}I didn't understand that
the first place she was sent
1511
01:47:40,622 --> 01:47:42,290
was actually an orphanage.
1512
01:47:46,795 --> 01:47:49,923
And then she burned down
the curtains and ran away.
1513
01:47:53,593 --> 01:47:56,846
She's described as a
rebellious adolescent.
1514
01:48:07,065 --> 01:48:11,653
{\an8}It says in the interviews
that the psychiatrist thought
1515
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:13,613
{\an8}that Mrs. Goldin
should be in the hospital,
1516
01:48:13,780 --> 01:48:14,948
{\an8}not Miss Goldin.
1517
01:48:15,532 --> 01:48:18,994
{\an8}And that's actually written
in the hospital record.
1518
01:48:25,583 --> 01:48:29,462
{\an8}My mother had been
sexually abused for years
1519
01:48:29,629 --> 01:48:30,964
{\an8}by a family member.
1520
01:48:34,050 --> 01:48:38,722
And when my sister hit puberty,
my mother couldn't cope with it.
1521
01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:50,900
My sister didn't have any outlet.
She didn't have any context.
1522
01:48:51,067 --> 01:48:52,819
It was not mental illness.
1523
01:48:59,951 --> 01:49:03,496
I just knew how hard it
was for her to be alive.
1524
01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:09,294
She wanted a home so badly.
1525
01:49:11,296 --> 01:49:15,383
If she had found people,
if she'd been loved,
1526
01:49:17,260 --> 01:49:18,928
she would have survived.
1527
01:49:23,266 --> 01:49:25,602
♪♪ [classical]
1528
01:49:36,446 --> 01:49:38,656
[train horn wailing]
1529
01:49:46,372 --> 01:49:49,250
[Nan] Persons in the area told
police they had seen Miss Goldin
1530
01:49:49,417 --> 01:49:50,668
a short time before
1531
01:49:50,835 --> 01:49:53,922
when she asked when the
next train was due to pass.
1532
01:49:54,089 --> 01:49:58,718
Shortly before 5:30 p.m., person
said Miss Goldin put her pocketbook
1533
01:49:58,885 --> 01:50:03,014
on the ground next to the tracks,
then lay down across the tracks
1534
01:50:03,181 --> 01:50:05,850
as the Capitol
Limited approached.
1535
01:50:06,017 --> 01:50:08,812
The train's engineer
told police they saw her
1536
01:50:08,978 --> 01:50:13,066
and nailed the brakes, but
were unable to stop the train.
1537
01:50:13,775 --> 01:50:18,029
Pathological examiner
ruled her death as a suicide.
1538
01:50:18,196 --> 01:50:21,491
Other significant conditions
contributing to death:
1539
01:50:21,658 --> 01:50:23,409
severe mental depression.
1540
01:50:36,673 --> 01:50:40,135
[Nan] I mean, that's the
problem. You grow up being told,
1541
01:50:40,301 --> 01:50:44,472
"That didn't happen. You didn't
see that. You didn't hear that."
1542
01:50:45,598 --> 01:50:49,269
And what do you do? How
do you believe yourself?
1543
01:50:49,435 --> 01:50:50,562
How do you trust yourself?
1544
01:50:50,728 --> 01:50:52,564
How do you continue
to trust yourself?
1545
01:50:53,565 --> 01:50:55,733
And then how do
you show the world
1546
01:50:56,734 --> 01:50:59,863
that you did experience
that, that you did hear that?
1547
01:51:00,697 --> 01:51:03,616
And so that's the
reason I take pictures.
1548
01:51:13,543 --> 01:51:16,713
- Nan, what are you doing?
- [Nan] Beautiful, you look beautiful.
1549
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,132
{\an8}- Nan, does that have sound?
- Yeah.
1550
01:51:19,299 --> 01:51:20,341
{\an8}Oh, my dear.
1551
01:51:21,092 --> 01:51:22,260
{\an8}Let's go, honey.
1552
01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:30,143
{\an8}My mom's a dance fanatic.
1553
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:32,270
- [chuckles]
- [slow music playing on speaker]
1554
01:51:32,437 --> 01:51:34,898
And she's gonna teach her
old husband how to move it.
1555
01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:37,567
I like to do this...
1556
01:51:39,194 --> 01:51:41,529
- Go, Mom!
- Go for it.
1557
01:51:48,119 --> 01:51:51,539
[Nan] My father and mother
were not equipped to be parents.
1558
01:51:53,917 --> 01:51:57,795
They had children
because it was expected,
1559
01:51:57,962 --> 01:52:01,132
more than it was about
nurturing other human beings.
1560
01:52:03,509 --> 01:52:04,928
That looks good!
1561
01:52:09,849 --> 01:52:12,977
- Yeah, but hold it up more.
- [Mr. Goldin] Is that high enough?
1562
01:52:13,895 --> 01:52:15,897
- [Nan] Yeah, that's beautiful.
- You can see it?
1563
01:52:16,064 --> 01:52:19,567
[Mrs. Goldin] Barbara loved Nan
very much. They were very, very close.
1564
01:52:23,112 --> 01:52:25,949
When she died, she
had in her pocketbook
1565
01:52:26,115 --> 01:52:28,743
a very beautiful,
small book of Psalms.
1566
01:52:29,911 --> 01:52:32,914
And she had this
wonderful quotation from...
1567
01:52:33,081 --> 01:52:34,207
Conrad.
1568
01:52:34,374 --> 01:52:35,833
The Heart of Darkness.
1569
01:52:36,626 --> 01:52:37,794
Joseph Conrad.
1570
01:52:37,961 --> 01:52:41,798
She was also, like
Nan, a very wide reader.
1571
01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,219
And I have the
quotation upstairs.
1572
01:52:46,386 --> 01:52:49,097
But it had in it
something about...
1573
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:53,600
uh...
1574
01:52:57,021 --> 01:52:58,356
- Can you stop?
- Yeah.
1575
01:52:58,523 --> 01:53:00,400
- You should get the quotation.
- Stop.
1576
01:53:01,317 --> 01:53:05,113
- [Mrs. Goldin] Something about regrets.
- Yeah. Infinite regrets.
1577
01:53:12,161 --> 01:53:13,454
Is it on now?
1578
01:53:14,163 --> 01:53:16,708
Quotation from
Heart of Darkness...
1579
01:53:16,874 --> 01:53:19,252
[Nan] And it was just
written on a piece of paper?
1580
01:53:20,211 --> 01:53:24,590
"It's a droll thing life is,
that mysterious arrangement
1581
01:53:24,757 --> 01:53:28,261
of merciless logic
for a futile purpose.
1582
01:53:29,178 --> 01:53:33,433
The most you can hope for is
some knowledge of yourself...
1583
01:53:44,068 --> 01:53:45,862
that comes too late.
1584
01:53:47,530 --> 01:53:50,742
A crop of
unextinguishable regrets."
1585
01:54:13,306 --> 01:54:15,808
[Nan] I think this story
is an important story,
1586
01:54:15,975 --> 01:54:17,268
not just for me,
1587
01:54:18,186 --> 01:54:20,730
but for society.
1588
01:54:23,941 --> 01:54:27,445
About conformity and denial.
1589
01:54:29,447 --> 01:54:31,491
And also about stigma.
1590
01:54:33,451 --> 01:54:38,039
The wrong things are kept
secret, and that destroys people.
1591
01:54:41,459 --> 01:54:46,047
My sister was a victim of all that,
but she knew how to fight back.
1592
01:54:49,008 --> 01:54:54,013
Her rebellion was the
starting point for my own.
1593
01:54:56,474 --> 01:54:58,518
She showed me the way.
1594
01:55:03,147 --> 01:55:05,316
- Let's turn off for a minute.
- [Poitras] Yeah.
1595
01:55:15,076 --> 01:55:16,702
♪♪ [orchestral]
1596
01:55:35,138 --> 01:55:36,180
[Cullen] Oh, wow.
1597
01:55:39,517 --> 01:55:40,726
[chuckles]
1598
01:55:53,281 --> 01:55:54,407
[Nan] Wow.
1599
01:56:03,249 --> 01:56:04,667
We did it, baby.
1600
01:56:10,089 --> 01:56:13,509
Four years of work.
Congress didn't do anything.
1601
01:56:13,676 --> 01:56:16,012
Justice Department
hasn't done anything.
1602
01:56:16,179 --> 01:56:18,931
Bankruptcy court,
you know, completely...
1603
01:56:20,183 --> 01:56:22,018
left them better than ever.
1604
01:56:22,518 --> 01:56:27,023
You know, they're completely
vindicated by bankruptcy court.
1605
01:56:27,190 --> 01:56:29,734
And so this is the only place
they're being held accountable,
1606
01:56:29,901 --> 01:56:31,194
the only place.
1607
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,360
And we did it.
1608
01:56:38,784 --> 01:56:39,784
[Kapler] Wow.
1609
01:56:41,871 --> 01:56:43,915
[Keefe] Oh, my
goodness. What a feeling.
1610
01:56:45,625 --> 01:56:47,752
- Incredible.
- It's amazing.
1611
01:56:49,128 --> 01:56:51,923
[Kapler] The Sacklers
are now "private sources."
1612
01:56:52,548 --> 01:56:54,634
Here, stay there.
1613
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,595
It doesn't say what
private sources.
1614
01:56:58,137 --> 01:56:59,472
[both chuckling]
1615
01:57:00,014 --> 01:57:01,140
Beautiful.
1616
01:57:01,682 --> 01:57:03,768
- Oh, man.
- It's so good.
1617
01:57:04,477 --> 01:57:05,853
It's hard to believe.
1618
01:57:06,521 --> 01:57:07,897
♪♪ [orchestral]
1619
01:57:56,696 --> 01:57:58,447
♪♪ [chorus]
1620
01:59:11,604 --> 01:59:13,606
♪♪ [rock]
1621
01:59:42,885 --> 01:59:46,722
♪ Unlock my love ♪
1622
01:59:46,889 --> 01:59:50,851
♪ And set me free ♪
1623
01:59:51,018 --> 01:59:54,939
♪ Come fill me up ♪
1624
01:59:55,106 --> 01:59:59,068
♪ With ecstasy ♪
1625
01:59:59,235 --> 02:00:03,197
♪ Surround my heartbeat
With your fingertips ♪
1626
02:00:03,364 --> 02:00:07,284
♪ Unbound my feet,
untie my wrists ♪
1627
02:00:07,451 --> 02:00:11,539
♪ Come into my
world of loneliness ♪
1628
02:00:11,706 --> 02:00:15,501
♪ And wickedness,
and betterness ♪
1629
02:00:15,668 --> 02:00:19,880
♪ Unlock my love ♪
1630
02:00:48,451 --> 02:00:52,288
♪ Unsuffer me ♪
1631
02:00:52,455 --> 02:00:56,250
♪ Take away the pain ♪
1632
02:00:56,417 --> 02:01:00,421
♪ Unbruise, unbloody ♪
1633
02:01:00,588 --> 02:01:04,592
♪ Wash away the stain ♪
1634
02:01:04,759 --> 02:01:08,763
♪ Anoint my head
with your sweet kiss ♪
1635
02:01:08,929 --> 02:01:12,850
♪ My joy is dead,
I long for bliss ♪
1636
02:01:13,017 --> 02:01:17,021
♪ I long for knowledge
Whisper in my ear ♪
1637
02:01:17,188 --> 02:01:21,025
♪ Undo my logic, undo my fear ♪
1638
02:01:21,192 --> 02:01:25,029
♪ Unsuffer me ♪
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