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Okay. 9 00:01:05,066 --> 00:01:06,651 - You ready to go in? - Let's go. 10 00:01:20,915 --> 00:01:23,251 {\an8}[Nan] There's a guard walking around looking puzzled. 11 00:01:23,418 --> 00:01:25,837 {\an8}I think he's trying to count the number of people. 12 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:34,178 {\an8}I'm really nervous, man. 13 00:01:35,888 --> 00:01:38,433 - Let's start. - [woman] Let's go, let's do it, go. 14 00:01:39,309 --> 00:01:41,436 - [Nan] Mic check! - [all] Mic check! 15 00:01:41,603 --> 00:01:43,187 - [Nan] Mic check! - [all] Mic check! 16 00:01:43,354 --> 00:01:45,440 A hundred thousand dead! 17 00:01:45,607 --> 00:01:47,567 A hundred thousand dead! 18 00:01:47,734 --> 00:01:50,820 - A hundred thousand dead! - A hundred thousand dead! 19 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:53,573 Don't do anything. You can't do anything as far as... 20 00:01:53,740 --> 00:01:56,618 - Temple of death! - Temple of death! 21 00:01:56,784 --> 00:01:59,787 - Temple of money! - Temple of money! 22 00:01:59,954 --> 00:02:02,790 - Temple of greed! - Temple of greed! 23 00:02:02,957 --> 00:02:06,169 - Temple of Oxy! - Temple of Oxy! 24 00:02:06,336 --> 00:02:09,797 - Sacklers lie! - Sacklers lie! 25 00:02:09,964 --> 00:02:13,343 - Thousands die! - Thousands die! 26 00:02:13,509 --> 00:02:17,013 - The Sacklers knew! - The Sacklers knew! 27 00:02:17,180 --> 00:02:20,600 - Their pills would kill! - Their pills would kill! 28 00:02:21,309 --> 00:02:22,810 They built this wing! 29 00:02:22,977 --> 00:02:25,438 - They killed... - Take this outside. 30 00:02:25,605 --> 00:02:27,231 - Excuse me. - [speaking inaudibly] 31 00:02:27,398 --> 00:02:29,025 [all cheering] 32 00:02:32,362 --> 00:02:34,030 [applause] 33 00:02:42,664 --> 00:02:45,041 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 34 00:02:45,208 --> 00:02:47,669 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 35 00:02:47,835 --> 00:02:50,338 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 36 00:02:50,505 --> 00:02:51,673 [chanting continues] 37 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:00,598 ♪♪ [classical] 38 00:03:53,192 --> 00:03:54,819 ♪♪ [chorus] 39 00:04:04,787 --> 00:04:07,540 {\an8}[Nan] It's easy to make your life into a story. 40 00:04:09,459 --> 00:04:12,128 {\an8}But it's harder to... 41 00:04:13,629 --> 00:04:15,256 {\an8}sustain real memories. 42 00:04:18,259 --> 00:04:19,469 [Poitras] What do you mean? 43 00:04:22,722 --> 00:04:25,641 [Nan] Well, the difference between the story and the real memory. 44 00:04:29,228 --> 00:04:32,690 The real experience has a smell and is dirty, 45 00:04:32,857 --> 00:04:36,736 and is not wrapped up in simple endings. 46 00:04:43,534 --> 00:04:48,748 The real memories are what affects me now. 47 00:04:48,915 --> 00:04:50,541 [slide projector clicking] 48 00:04:52,001 --> 00:04:55,004 Things can appear that you didn't want to see, 49 00:04:55,713 --> 00:04:57,548 where you're not safe. 50 00:04:59,175 --> 00:05:03,262 And even if you don't actually unleash the memories, 51 00:05:03,429 --> 00:05:04,597 the effect is there. 52 00:05:05,348 --> 00:05:06,849 It's in your body. 53 00:05:13,314 --> 00:05:14,857 [wind gusting] 54 00:05:32,583 --> 00:05:33,583 [man] All right. 55 00:05:37,547 --> 00:05:39,882 ♪♪ [classical] 56 00:06:40,359 --> 00:06:43,362 It was a claustrophobic suburb. 57 00:06:43,529 --> 00:06:44,906 "Don't let the neighbors know." 58 00:06:45,865 --> 00:06:49,577 My mother used to say that all the time. It wasn't just an attitude. 59 00:06:50,369 --> 00:06:53,205 Actually, the neighbors did know, we found out years later, 60 00:06:53,372 --> 00:06:55,833 because there was so much screaming in the house. 61 00:06:58,044 --> 00:06:59,670 [Poitras] Tell me about your sister. 62 00:07:03,591 --> 00:07:06,677 [Nan] My mother insisted that Barbara speak 63 00:07:06,844 --> 00:07:10,014 in full sentences at the age of one. 64 00:07:11,349 --> 00:07:16,187 And so she stopped talking for at least a year and a half. 65 00:07:18,022 --> 00:07:21,233 Yeah, that was the first act of rebellion by my sister. 66 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,744 She would just wash my hair or hold me, 67 00:07:31,911 --> 00:07:35,247 or these kind of things that you need when you're a kid. 68 00:07:36,666 --> 00:07:38,417 And she knew how to do that, 69 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:42,546 even though she hadn't been mothered in that way. 70 00:07:45,967 --> 00:07:48,844 She made me aware at a very young age 71 00:07:49,011 --> 00:07:53,391 about the banality and deadening grip of suburbia. 72 00:08:01,190 --> 00:08:03,275 She had a wildness to her. 73 00:08:08,990 --> 00:08:11,033 She played the piano constantly. 74 00:08:12,284 --> 00:08:17,039 Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky... 75 00:08:17,206 --> 00:08:20,584 And you could tell how she was feeling by how she was playing. 76 00:08:22,086 --> 00:08:23,754 ♪♪ [chorus] 77 00:08:24,672 --> 00:08:28,175 The parakeets would sit on her shoulders while she played. 78 00:08:31,345 --> 00:08:34,223 She trusted me with all her secrets. 79 00:08:38,686 --> 00:08:43,232 She went on Saturday nights to the movies to make out with boys. 80 00:08:45,735 --> 00:08:49,530 {\an8}That was when she stood up for herself and yelled back. 81 00:08:52,366 --> 00:08:56,037 {\an8}And she talked to me about feelings for other girls. 82 00:08:59,248 --> 00:09:01,500 {\an8}It was a period of sexual repression. 83 00:09:02,126 --> 00:09:04,670 {\an8}And she was made to fear her sexuality. 84 00:09:07,673 --> 00:09:10,134 And a lot of it was her need to be held. 85 00:09:15,806 --> 00:09:19,769 She had a saying: "Lean cat, savage cat." 86 00:09:22,146 --> 00:09:24,482 I felt very close to her, 87 00:09:24,648 --> 00:09:29,111 but she was in and out of institutions for most of my childhood. 88 00:09:32,364 --> 00:09:36,285 Once they started sending her away, they kept sending her away. 89 00:09:40,414 --> 00:09:43,334 My parents took away her credibility and... 90 00:09:44,543 --> 00:09:47,671 silenced her by calling her mentally ill. 91 00:09:55,304 --> 00:09:57,348 The police came into the house. 92 00:09:58,307 --> 00:10:02,228 My father started wailing on the front lawn, wailing. 93 00:10:03,687 --> 00:10:06,482 They were talking to my mother, saying that, 94 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:09,735 "We found your daughter and she committed suicide." 95 00:10:11,487 --> 00:10:13,405 And I heard my mother say, 96 00:10:13,572 --> 00:10:15,533 "Tell the children it was an accident." 97 00:10:17,868 --> 00:10:21,872 My interpretation from that minute was... 98 00:10:22,039 --> 00:10:23,039 denial. 99 00:10:23,874 --> 00:10:25,918 She didn't want us to know the truth. 100 00:10:28,379 --> 00:10:30,089 That's when it clicked. 101 00:10:43,185 --> 00:10:45,104 [chattering] 102 00:10:49,942 --> 00:10:52,945 [Nan] Okay, let's try it towards the left. 103 00:11:03,873 --> 00:11:05,916 - Yeah. - [man] Or like in the middle? 104 00:11:06,083 --> 00:11:07,209 I don't know. 105 00:11:07,376 --> 00:11:09,211 Can you move over to the right? 106 00:11:10,087 --> 00:11:11,630 Keep going, okay. 107 00:11:11,797 --> 00:11:14,091 I can't really see because your body... 108 00:11:14,258 --> 00:11:16,594 Thank you. Wow. 109 00:11:18,220 --> 00:11:19,221 Do you like it? 110 00:11:19,805 --> 00:11:23,434 Okay, I just want to see one more thing. Can you switch these two? 111 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:26,937 Okay, and one more idea. 112 00:11:27,104 --> 00:11:28,564 A couple more ideas. 113 00:11:29,607 --> 00:11:32,359 I could do this all night. Watch out. 114 00:11:33,611 --> 00:11:34,653 Yeah. 115 00:11:39,742 --> 00:11:41,619 I was thinking about this last night, 116 00:11:41,785 --> 00:11:45,206 that people talk about all kinds of relationships, 117 00:11:45,372 --> 00:11:49,126 with their partner, their children, their parents, and... 118 00:11:50,169 --> 00:11:52,671 The relationships that have mattered most to me, 119 00:11:52,838 --> 00:11:54,715 probably my whole life, are my friends. 120 00:11:56,175 --> 00:11:58,886 I only escaped because of my friends. 121 00:11:59,678 --> 00:12:00,763 Right. 122 00:12:04,767 --> 00:12:07,186 Yeah, that's better. That's perfect. 123 00:12:09,313 --> 00:12:11,106 {\an8}♪♪ [ambient strings] 124 00:12:19,156 --> 00:12:21,450 {\an8}[Nan] "I survived the opioid crisis. 125 00:12:23,118 --> 00:12:24,828 {\an8}I narrowly escaped. 126 00:12:27,081 --> 00:12:31,710 My relationship to OxyContin began several years ago in Berlin. 127 00:12:33,003 --> 00:12:35,506 It was originally prescribed for surgery. 128 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,553 Though I took it as directed, I got addicted overnight. 129 00:12:42,638 --> 00:12:45,891 In the beginning, 40 milligrams was too strong. 130 00:12:46,058 --> 00:12:48,769 But as my habit grew, there was never enough. 131 00:12:50,980 --> 00:12:55,150 I went from 3 pills a day, as prescribed, to 18. 132 00:12:56,735 --> 00:12:59,905 The drug, like all drugs, lost its effect. 133 00:13:00,072 --> 00:13:01,865 So I picked up the straw. 134 00:13:03,909 --> 00:13:07,955 My life revolved entirely around getting and using Oxy, 135 00:13:08,122 --> 00:13:11,041 counting and recounting, crushing and snorting 136 00:13:11,208 --> 00:13:12,876 was my full-time job. 137 00:13:16,588 --> 00:13:19,967 When I got out of treatment, I learned that the Sackler family, 138 00:13:20,134 --> 00:13:22,678 whose name I knew from museums and galleries, 139 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:25,097 were responsible for the epidemic. 140 00:13:27,182 --> 00:13:30,686 The Sackler family and their private company, Purdue Pharma, 141 00:13:30,853 --> 00:13:33,397 advertised and distributed their medication, 142 00:13:33,564 --> 00:13:35,524 knowing all the dangers. 143 00:13:37,609 --> 00:13:41,363 I've started a group, PAIN, to hold them accountable. 144 00:13:43,407 --> 00:13:46,035 To get their ear, we will target their philanthropy. 145 00:13:46,827 --> 00:13:49,079 They have washed their blood money through the halls 146 00:13:49,246 --> 00:13:52,416 of museums and universities around the world." 147 00:13:58,756 --> 00:14:01,258 [Velasco] I had no idea that it was going to actually have 148 00:14:01,425 --> 00:14:02,885 the traction that it did. 149 00:14:03,052 --> 00:14:06,263 It's definitely among the, if not the most... 150 00:14:07,389 --> 00:14:10,768 proud moments of my tenure as editor of the magazine. 151 00:14:12,269 --> 00:14:15,439 She knew how to use her power. She's a figure that these museums 152 00:14:15,606 --> 00:14:17,983 also wanted to work with, they want in their collections. 153 00:14:18,150 --> 00:14:21,362 She's a major name in the art world. 154 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:23,530 When she published the portfolio, that... 155 00:14:23,697 --> 00:14:25,783 It was the fact she was doing it that mattered. 156 00:14:25,949 --> 00:14:29,995 I knew this would put her on the line in a real serious way, and... 157 00:14:30,162 --> 00:14:33,665 I was concerned for her safety. I was concerned for... 158 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:38,587 whether she would be drummed out of the art world. 159 00:14:38,754 --> 00:14:39,963 I mean, I think that... 160 00:14:41,423 --> 00:14:44,009 She was taking on a very powerful family, 161 00:14:44,176 --> 00:14:46,053 one of the most powerful families. 162 00:14:50,224 --> 00:14:53,644 [Nan] I mean, if anyone belongs in jail, it's these people. 163 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,022 {\an8}And as long as there's a jail, they should be in it... 164 00:14:58,065 --> 00:15:00,943 {\an8}until the whole prison system is dismantled. 165 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:02,778 {\an8}They should be the last to leave. 166 00:15:02,945 --> 00:15:03,737 {\an8}[all chuckling] 167 00:15:03,904 --> 00:15:06,615 - Last one, lights out. - Last one. 168 00:15:07,282 --> 00:15:12,162 {\an8}After I met Nan and we connected on levels of... 169 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:17,167 {\an8}you know, having experience with addiction and stuff like that, 170 00:15:17,334 --> 00:15:21,088 {\an8}she said, "Why don't you come to one of our PAIN meetings?" 171 00:15:22,005 --> 00:15:26,260 Most members of PAIN have a direct experience with addiction, 172 00:15:26,427 --> 00:15:28,345 or loss of a loved one. 173 00:15:28,512 --> 00:15:31,932 We have members who lost their children... 174 00:15:33,392 --> 00:15:34,601 to overdose, 175 00:15:34,768 --> 00:15:37,438 that have family members who are struggling, 176 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:39,690 or that they themselves have struggled. 177 00:15:39,857 --> 00:15:42,943 Yeah, but death is the bottom line of this, 178 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:44,611 and that should be reminded. 179 00:15:44,778 --> 00:15:47,990 - We should do a die-in of some sort. - [Berio] Do we want to marshal numbers? 180 00:15:48,532 --> 00:15:51,118 - [woman] Each of us will be responsible... - Trusted friends. 181 00:15:51,285 --> 00:15:53,036 {\an8}[Berio] The focus on the family, 182 00:15:53,203 --> 00:15:55,873 {\an8}I would say there was a little bit of fear in the group 183 00:15:56,039 --> 00:15:58,959 {\an8}about going straight for them, although we felt that we should. 184 00:15:59,585 --> 00:16:01,753 {\an8}Yeah, this is the decisive one. 185 00:16:02,504 --> 00:16:06,467 {\an8}Nan actually said, "Do you think my career will implode?" 186 00:16:06,633 --> 00:16:08,260 {\an8}And I said, "Probably." 187 00:16:08,427 --> 00:16:13,056 {\an8}I said, "Yes, these are very scary, powerful people. 188 00:16:13,223 --> 00:16:15,976 But then again, what else can you do?" 189 00:16:16,143 --> 00:16:19,771 And she said, "I think we should take these people down." 190 00:16:19,938 --> 00:16:22,566 And I said, "Well, I'm with you." 191 00:16:23,192 --> 00:16:27,613 And then we started meeting, and we would sit in Nan's house 192 00:16:27,779 --> 00:16:30,574 and dream up of things we wanted to do. 193 00:16:35,078 --> 00:16:36,455 He's really sweet. 194 00:16:37,456 --> 00:16:39,333 [Nan] He's sweet on Alex, man. 195 00:16:40,501 --> 00:16:41,585 Go on. 196 00:16:49,968 --> 00:16:53,472 [Keefe] Let's see where it all starts here. 197 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,436 I mean, there's literally so many of these that it's hard for me to find... 198 00:16:59,603 --> 00:17:02,898 Yes, this is September 2019. 199 00:17:03,065 --> 00:17:05,651 I get this legal hold notice. 200 00:17:05,817 --> 00:17:07,861 "Dear Mr. Keefe, I write on behalf of my clients, 201 00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:09,738 members of the Raymond Sackler family. 202 00:17:09,905 --> 00:17:14,993 You are hereby directed to preserve and not to destroy, conceal, or alter 203 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,080 any and all documents and communications in your possession 204 00:17:18,247 --> 00:17:21,375 that relate in any way to any members of the Sackler family, 205 00:17:21,542 --> 00:17:24,586 the article, Purdue Pharma, and-or OxyContin..." 206 00:17:24,753 --> 00:17:25,837 {\an8}And on and on and on. 207 00:17:27,673 --> 00:17:31,593 {\an8}One of the things that's so strange about the Sackler family is that 208 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,722 {\an8}we talk about them in monolithic terms, but really it's three families, and... 209 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:38,892 {\an8}they spring from these three original brothers, 210 00:17:39,059 --> 00:17:41,019 Arthur, Mortimer, and Raymond. 211 00:17:41,478 --> 00:17:44,189 [narrator] His name is Arthur Sackler. For 40 years, 212 00:17:44,356 --> 00:17:47,401 he has brought energy, goodwill, and intelligence to art. 213 00:17:48,318 --> 00:17:49,987 He owns thousands of works, 214 00:17:50,153 --> 00:17:52,906 presently displayed not only at the Metropolitan Museum, 215 00:17:53,073 --> 00:17:55,200 {\an8}but in university collections as well. 216 00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:58,078 {\an8}[applause] 217 00:17:58,245 --> 00:18:03,125 {\an8}Knowing that the goal of peace is engraved in your hearts, 218 00:18:03,292 --> 00:18:06,920 {\an8}Mrs. Sackler and I present to you this verse... 219 00:18:07,629 --> 00:18:10,507 [Keefe] Arthur dies before the introduction of OxyContin. 220 00:18:10,674 --> 00:18:14,678 And yet so much of what's happened is, in part, 221 00:18:14,845 --> 00:18:16,388 a function of Arthur's legacy. 222 00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:21,476 His contemporaries knew him as this great art collector 223 00:18:21,643 --> 00:18:22,769 and this philanthropist. 224 00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:25,022 And the dirty secret was that 225 00:18:25,188 --> 00:18:28,150 he had come to this position of prominence and great wealth 226 00:18:28,317 --> 00:18:31,612 through the marketing of this drug, which also happened to be quite addictive. 227 00:18:32,863 --> 00:18:39,494 He creates a whole means of selling Valium in which you're targeting doctors. 228 00:18:40,245 --> 00:18:42,956 He devised a compensation scheme 229 00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:46,918 in which he would get paid a series of escalating bonuses 230 00:18:47,085 --> 00:18:48,795 based on how much Valium they sold. 231 00:18:48,962 --> 00:18:51,423 Well, Valium becomes the best-selling drug 232 00:18:51,590 --> 00:18:53,550 in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. 233 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:56,136 [narrator] From his personal collection, 234 00:18:56,303 --> 00:19:00,140 Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche to select a thousand pieces, 235 00:19:00,307 --> 00:19:02,476 the best from a lifetime of collecting. 236 00:19:04,061 --> 00:19:08,023 [Keefe] The whole Sackler enterprise has been about marketing, 237 00:19:08,190 --> 00:19:10,275 the marketing of OxyContin, but also the marketing 238 00:19:10,442 --> 00:19:11,735 of the family name. 239 00:19:12,944 --> 00:19:16,448 There's the family of the art world and the museum world and philanthropy. 240 00:19:16,615 --> 00:19:22,204 And then there's the kind of grubby, unpleasant story of... 241 00:19:23,246 --> 00:19:26,750 {\an8}Big Pharma marketing and addiction and death. 242 00:19:27,292 --> 00:19:29,795 {\an8}Don't be afraid to take what they give you. 243 00:19:29,961 --> 00:19:32,923 {\an8}Often, it will be an opioid medication. 244 00:19:33,090 --> 00:19:36,385 {\an8}Some patients may be afraid of taking opioids 245 00:19:36,551 --> 00:19:39,721 because they're perceived as too strong, or addictive. 246 00:19:40,597 --> 00:19:43,100 But that is far from actual fact. 247 00:19:43,975 --> 00:19:46,019 [Keefe] The Sacklers owned Purdue, 248 00:19:46,186 --> 00:19:49,022 this company that set out very deliberately 249 00:19:49,189 --> 00:19:52,234 to change the way in which these strong opioids were prescribed, 250 00:19:52,401 --> 00:19:55,654 and to do so, by claiming that they weren't addictive. 251 00:19:56,613 --> 00:19:58,740 A week or two after my article came out, 252 00:19:59,241 --> 00:20:02,244 I got this email, this kind of cryptic email 253 00:20:02,411 --> 00:20:04,579 from the studio of Nan Goldin that said, 254 00:20:04,746 --> 00:20:07,624 "The photographer Nan Goldin would like to meet with you." 255 00:20:07,791 --> 00:20:10,293 And I was a little mystified, didn't know what it was about, 256 00:20:10,460 --> 00:20:12,295 but we set up a meeting. 257 00:20:12,462 --> 00:20:14,214 She had this kind of "Roll up your sleeves. 258 00:20:14,381 --> 00:20:17,718 We gotta do something. We gotta organize. We gotta get out there!" 259 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:21,138 And I probably was... 260 00:20:22,639 --> 00:20:23,890 I blush to think, 261 00:20:24,057 --> 00:20:26,268 but I probably was gently patronizing and said, 262 00:20:26,435 --> 00:20:30,063 "Well, good for you, glad to hear it. You keep me posted on that." 263 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,993 [Nan] I love working in a material I know. 264 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,579 Blue valium bottles. [chuckles] 265 00:20:46,997 --> 00:20:51,501 My anger at the Sackler family, it's personal. 266 00:20:51,668 --> 00:20:53,336 I hate these people. 267 00:20:54,588 --> 00:20:57,382 But it's not about my own addiction. 268 00:20:58,425 --> 00:21:02,804 I mean, when you think of the profit off people's pain, 269 00:21:02,971 --> 00:21:05,015 {\an8}you can only be furious about it. 270 00:21:06,099 --> 00:21:10,103 {\an8}[man] Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 271 00:21:10,270 --> 00:21:13,815 {\an8}[all] Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 272 00:21:13,982 --> 00:21:17,944 {\an8}Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 273 00:21:18,111 --> 00:21:22,115 {\an8}Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 274 00:21:27,120 --> 00:21:33,251 {\an8}[woman] We consciously talked about Act Up and what Act Up had done, 275 00:21:33,418 --> 00:21:37,005 {\an8}and how we wanted for these actions 276 00:21:37,172 --> 00:21:39,132 {\an8}to make an impact. 277 00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:44,554 This idea of a bottle was the first object we created. 278 00:21:45,138 --> 00:21:51,561 All the museums, institutions, need to stop taking money 279 00:21:51,728 --> 00:21:55,023 from these corrupt, evil bastards. 280 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:56,900 [cheering and applauding] 281 00:22:09,538 --> 00:22:13,792 I got thrown out of every school and every house that I lived. 282 00:22:15,794 --> 00:22:18,505 I got thrown out of my parents' home. 283 00:22:18,672 --> 00:22:21,049 I got thrown out of my foster family. 284 00:22:21,216 --> 00:22:24,177 I got thrown out of the communal foster family. 285 00:22:24,344 --> 00:22:25,744 - [Poitras] Seriously? - [Nan] Yeah. 286 00:22:25,887 --> 00:22:28,682 There's not one I can think of that I... [chuckles] 287 00:22:31,017 --> 00:22:33,019 Yeah, I made an art of it. 288 00:22:34,604 --> 00:22:39,317 [Poitras] Okay, but why were you with foster parents? 289 00:22:39,609 --> 00:22:44,906 [Nan] A psychiatrist told my father that if I stayed in the house, 290 00:22:45,073 --> 00:22:47,868 the same thing would happen as what happened with Barbara. 291 00:22:48,326 --> 00:22:51,746 So my parents sent me to a foster agency. 292 00:22:53,874 --> 00:22:58,545 It was the Jewish adoption agency on Beacon Hill. 293 00:22:59,629 --> 00:23:00,630 Yeah. 294 00:23:01,298 --> 00:23:03,174 I must have been 14. 295 00:23:04,843 --> 00:23:07,512 The woman of the house straightened my hair. 296 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:10,390 She wanted me to be a WASP, basically. 297 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:19,441 I remember when I first went there, I projectile vomited all over my room. 298 00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:22,193 I must have been terrified. 299 00:23:25,322 --> 00:23:27,616 I didn't remember that till now. 300 00:23:31,161 --> 00:23:32,579 [slide projector clicking] 301 00:23:32,746 --> 00:23:36,541 I landed in a hippie free school that couldn't throw me out. 302 00:23:39,753 --> 00:23:41,922 Satya School saved my life. 303 00:23:45,926 --> 00:23:49,512 I was shy beyond social phobia, 304 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:52,265 like, crippling shyness. 305 00:23:54,935 --> 00:23:57,979 There were like six months that I didn't speak at all. 306 00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:02,859 I think my sister's suicide had silenced me. 307 00:24:06,404 --> 00:24:07,989 Until I met David. 308 00:24:10,450 --> 00:24:13,203 He said I was still speaking in a whisper. 309 00:24:14,329 --> 00:24:15,664 ♪♪ [indie rock] 310 00:24:16,331 --> 00:24:18,500 {\an8}I was 15. He was 14. 311 00:24:25,256 --> 00:24:27,175 {\an8}He was a vision to me. 312 00:24:40,188 --> 00:24:42,941 {\an8}We met each other both stealing steaks. 313 00:24:45,527 --> 00:24:47,195 {\an8}We were shoplifting. 314 00:24:47,362 --> 00:24:51,116 Both of us converged in the steak department. [chuckles] 315 00:24:51,282 --> 00:24:52,742 - [Poitras] Are you serious? - Yes. 316 00:24:53,284 --> 00:24:56,955 Oh, I was a great shoplifter, pretty much all my life. 317 00:24:57,747 --> 00:25:00,625 I'm not sure how good I am anymore, but... 318 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:02,502 That's how we became friends. 319 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,507 David was a great wit. 320 00:25:08,216 --> 00:25:11,344 Very ironic, very precise. 321 00:25:12,345 --> 00:25:15,265 And that was the coin of the realm. 322 00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:19,894 He taught me to use humor as a survival mechanism. 323 00:25:22,439 --> 00:25:26,484 He had this elegance and he was very androgynous, 324 00:25:26,651 --> 00:25:29,112 which was something I was really attracted to. 325 00:25:33,533 --> 00:25:37,120 And one night, we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm, 326 00:25:37,287 --> 00:25:39,247 'cause I was between homes, 327 00:25:39,414 --> 00:25:42,876 and he laid down on the bed and I laid down next to him. 328 00:25:43,043 --> 00:25:45,920 And he got up and laid down on the floor. 329 00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:50,133 And I said, "Are you gay?" 330 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:54,012 And a light came on for him. 331 00:25:57,849 --> 00:26:01,561 He always said that it was the first time somebody recognized him. 332 00:26:06,066 --> 00:26:08,068 Then he named me Nan. 333 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:11,404 So I brought him out and he named me Nan. 334 00:26:14,032 --> 00:26:15,825 So we liberated each other. 335 00:26:20,955 --> 00:26:23,166 David was the eye of my storm. 336 00:26:26,586 --> 00:26:29,923 "David and Tommy in a Sandpit." 337 00:26:30,090 --> 00:26:32,425 That's one of my first photographs. 338 00:26:40,558 --> 00:26:43,478 We all got cameras from Polaroid. 339 00:26:44,771 --> 00:26:48,024 I attached to it more than anybody else at the school. 340 00:26:50,401 --> 00:26:53,988 It was the only language I spoke at the time. 341 00:26:56,491 --> 00:27:01,412 Suddenly I had, you know, a personality, and it gave me a voice. 342 00:27:06,417 --> 00:27:09,337 Photography was always a way to walk through fear. 343 00:27:10,421 --> 00:27:13,007 Taking a picture is kind of protective. 344 00:27:16,427 --> 00:27:19,222 It gave me a reason to be there. 345 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:30,942 ♪♪ [indie rock] 346 00:27:42,871 --> 00:27:46,166 David was living with this most beautiful queen 347 00:27:46,332 --> 00:27:47,417 in Cambridge. 348 00:27:49,169 --> 00:27:52,088 Very quickly, I moved in with them. 349 00:27:59,888 --> 00:28:03,141 We went to Goodwill pretty much every day. 350 00:28:04,225 --> 00:28:07,103 All the rich women were giving their clothes to Goodwill, 351 00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:09,480 and they were exquisite clothes. 352 00:28:12,233 --> 00:28:14,235 Like Fortuny gowns. 353 00:28:22,285 --> 00:28:24,454 And we went to The Other Side every night. 354 00:28:25,288 --> 00:28:27,707 Right away, I felt at home there. 355 00:28:31,336 --> 00:28:34,672 I remember being really excited to take pictures at that time. 356 00:28:38,635 --> 00:28:40,970 It was like a flash of euphoria. 357 00:28:41,763 --> 00:28:45,308 I know when a picture works. 358 00:28:47,352 --> 00:28:48,519 I get a rush. 359 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:56,027 I would have the film developed in a pharmacy, 360 00:28:56,194 --> 00:28:59,989 and each of them would make a pile of the pictures of themselves 361 00:29:00,156 --> 00:29:02,659 and compete to see who had the biggest pile. 362 00:29:03,534 --> 00:29:07,121 If they didn't like one of the pictures, they tore them up, 363 00:29:07,288 --> 00:29:08,831 and that was okay with me. 364 00:29:10,875 --> 00:29:13,878 I've always wanted the people in the pictures 365 00:29:14,045 --> 00:29:16,005 to be proud of being in the work. 366 00:29:19,342 --> 00:29:22,762 People have said, "Oh, I didn't know I was that beautiful." 367 00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:26,099 Which is, you know, what I want them to feel. 368 00:29:31,604 --> 00:29:36,609 My roommates, they were running away from America, 369 00:29:37,610 --> 00:29:40,446 and they found each other. 370 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:47,412 They didn't think, "We're pioneers, we're rebels." 371 00:29:47,578 --> 00:29:48,871 They just were. 372 00:29:50,581 --> 00:29:53,668 It was about living out what they needed to live out 373 00:29:53,835 --> 00:29:57,213 in spite of the reaction from the outside world. 374 00:29:59,424 --> 00:30:01,968 ♪ There's always those Who spoil our games ♪ 375 00:30:02,135 --> 00:30:05,430 ♪ By finding fault and calling names ♪ 376 00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:09,976 ♪ Always accusing ♪ 377 00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:12,729 ♪ We love each other but it seems ♪ 378 00:30:12,895 --> 00:30:16,482 ♪ The love lives only in my dreams ♪ 379 00:30:16,649 --> 00:30:20,403 ♪ It's so one-sided ♪ 380 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:22,989 ♪ But in this life I must confess ♪ 381 00:30:23,156 --> 00:30:26,284 ♪ The search for love and happiness ♪ 382 00:30:26,451 --> 00:30:30,580 ♪ Is unrequited ♪ 383 00:30:30,747 --> 00:30:33,416 ♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪ 384 00:30:33,583 --> 00:30:36,836 ♪ And what I am and what I'm not ♪ 385 00:30:37,003 --> 00:30:41,132 ♪ What am I giving? ♪ 386 00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:46,512 ♪ But answers come from those who make The rules that some of us must break ♪ 387 00:30:47,472 --> 00:30:51,392 ♪ Just to keep living ♪ 388 00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:54,437 ♪ I know my life is not a crime ♪ 389 00:30:54,604 --> 00:30:57,982 ♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪ 390 00:30:58,149 --> 00:31:01,694 ♪ I stand defenseless ♪ 391 00:31:02,487 --> 00:31:07,575 ♪ Nobody has the right to be The judge of what is right for me ♪ 392 00:31:07,742 --> 00:31:08,910 ♪ Tell me if you can ♪ 393 00:31:09,077 --> 00:31:15,958 ♪ What makes a man a man? ♪ 394 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:21,130 [Nan] While I was living with the queens, I started going to art school 395 00:31:21,297 --> 00:31:22,465 for photography. 396 00:31:24,050 --> 00:31:26,761 Said I wanted the queens to be on the cover of Vogue. 397 00:31:28,179 --> 00:31:30,807 But in those days, that was so far. 398 00:31:38,398 --> 00:31:41,776 It was a time that was really scary for them. 399 00:31:43,194 --> 00:31:46,447 You could get arrested walking down the street in Boston. 400 00:31:47,615 --> 00:31:51,869 My roommates stayed home basically, and they went out at night. 401 00:31:53,037 --> 00:31:57,208 And survival was an art. 402 00:32:02,296 --> 00:32:03,840 [seagulls cawing] 403 00:32:06,217 --> 00:32:10,388 David and I started going to Provincetown in '75. 404 00:32:11,139 --> 00:32:14,892 It was the gay mecca. 405 00:32:16,102 --> 00:32:18,688 I worked in a Portuguese hot dog stand. 406 00:32:18,855 --> 00:32:24,986 {\an8}And then later, I got a job as a bartender at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar. 407 00:32:27,071 --> 00:32:30,616 {\an8}I was living in this separatist lesbian community. 408 00:32:33,327 --> 00:32:38,249 {\an8}You know, it was sort of like flannel shirts and tea. 409 00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:42,587 {\an8}And I'd come from taffeta gowns and Quaaludes. 410 00:32:42,753 --> 00:32:44,881 And so I was kind of the oddball 411 00:32:45,047 --> 00:32:47,758 'cause I would wear pearls and lipstick to the beach. 412 00:32:51,262 --> 00:32:53,639 I fell in love with this beautiful woman. 413 00:32:54,348 --> 00:32:56,267 We were lovers, briefly. 414 00:32:57,059 --> 00:32:58,895 She had lots of other lovers. 415 00:33:02,315 --> 00:33:04,025 I was obsessed with her. 416 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:08,571 So I photographed her constantly. 417 00:33:10,656 --> 00:33:14,035 I have often used photography as a sublimation for sex. 418 00:33:14,619 --> 00:33:17,163 It's generally better than sex. [chuckles] 419 00:33:20,708 --> 00:33:22,752 {\an8}I had a button machine. 420 00:33:22,919 --> 00:33:25,254 {\an8}You know, you take a picture and put it on a button. 421 00:33:25,421 --> 00:33:27,590 {\an8}- [Poitras] You had a button machine? - Yeah. 422 00:33:27,757 --> 00:33:29,800 {\an8}That was my way of making a living. 423 00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:34,096 Walking up and down Commercial Street in my high heels 424 00:33:34,263 --> 00:33:35,765 with my button machine. 425 00:33:35,932 --> 00:33:41,270 And Cookie and Sharon, and Divine, and John Waters came by 426 00:33:41,437 --> 00:33:42,688 {\an8}and had buttons made. 427 00:33:44,774 --> 00:33:47,527 {\an8}I knew Cookie from John Waters' films, 428 00:33:48,152 --> 00:33:50,404 {\an8}and I already idolized her. 429 00:33:52,031 --> 00:33:55,910 {\an8}♪ I got lots of problems ♪ 430 00:33:58,412 --> 00:34:00,957 {\an8}♪ Female trouble ♪ 431 00:34:03,543 --> 00:34:06,128 {\an8}♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪ 432 00:34:06,837 --> 00:34:09,423 {\an8}I'd like to set fire to this dump. 433 00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:12,218 {\an8}Just cause we're pretty everybody's jealous. 434 00:34:12,385 --> 00:34:16,097 {\an8}It's like a prison here, even at Christmas it's like a prison. 435 00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,606 {\an8}♪ Sunday morning ♪ 436 00:34:26,357 --> 00:34:30,278 {\an8}♪ Brings the dawning ♪ 437 00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:33,864 {\an8}Cookie was all about finding what was funny in life. 438 00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:41,831 {\an8}Cookie and Sharon were together for many years. 439 00:34:45,585 --> 00:34:50,381 {\an8}Sharon was working at a pizza place, and Cookie came by one night 440 00:34:50,548 --> 00:34:53,259 {\an8}with her bicycle and her son Max. 441 00:34:53,426 --> 00:34:59,432 {\an8}And he had long hair with gum and popsicle sticks and leaves in it. 442 00:35:01,642 --> 00:35:04,562 {\an8}And Cookie had on these little Springolator pumps, 443 00:35:04,729 --> 00:35:08,691 {\an8}but they were held together with safety pins. 444 00:35:10,693 --> 00:35:12,153 {\an8}And Sharon thought, 445 00:35:13,112 --> 00:35:15,072 "I'm gonna take care of these people." 446 00:35:16,574 --> 00:35:20,202 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 447 00:35:20,369 --> 00:35:24,123 And then Cookie said to her, "I believe in timing." 448 00:35:28,127 --> 00:35:30,796 Cookie took Sharon home with her 449 00:35:30,963 --> 00:35:34,008 through a swamp with big pussy willows. 450 00:35:36,177 --> 00:35:38,554 And that was the beginning of Cookie and Sharon. 451 00:35:42,808 --> 00:35:46,771 It was a time of freedom and possibility. 452 00:35:47,730 --> 00:35:50,149 That's when I did my first slideshows. 453 00:35:57,073 --> 00:35:58,074 [Nan] You ready? 454 00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:00,826 Does everyone have their chant? 455 00:36:02,411 --> 00:36:06,499 "That's bullshit, get off it. They made addicts just for profit." 456 00:36:06,666 --> 00:36:10,002 - [woman] Ooh. - We were flying last night! 457 00:36:13,881 --> 00:36:16,550 [Kapler] We were ready to do another New York action, 458 00:36:16,717 --> 00:36:19,428 and the Met and the Guggenheim to us are, like, 459 00:36:19,595 --> 00:36:21,806 two of the most important museums. 460 00:36:21,972 --> 00:36:26,394 And we knew that the Guggenheim had the Sackler Education Center. 461 00:36:27,436 --> 00:36:29,897 So they were like a big target for us. 462 00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:35,319 An important part of the museums we choose 463 00:36:35,486 --> 00:36:38,864 is Nan is typically in the permanent collection. 464 00:36:39,031 --> 00:36:41,325 It's much stronger when the message is coming 465 00:36:41,492 --> 00:36:43,494 from inside the house. 466 00:36:43,661 --> 00:36:46,622 - [woman] I'm not worried. - What if they recognize me? 467 00:36:46,789 --> 00:36:49,917 [Nan] By the time we did the Guggenheim, our name was out there. 468 00:36:50,084 --> 00:36:53,129 Other museums were alerted that we might be coming. 469 00:36:53,295 --> 00:36:56,716 I'm supposed to wear it so that no one knows who I am. 470 00:36:57,717 --> 00:37:00,553 [woman] That's not drawing attention. 471 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,722 [man] Very subtle disguise. 472 00:37:02,888 --> 00:37:05,558 I don't know. It calls a little attention, doesn't it? 473 00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,393 It's kind of horrible. 474 00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,438 [Kapler] The attorney general in Massachusetts 475 00:37:10,604 --> 00:37:13,858 had just released internal emails 476 00:37:14,024 --> 00:37:17,486 and documents of the Sacklers, which were vast, 477 00:37:17,653 --> 00:37:20,364 {\an8}and had really damning quotes. 478 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,953 {\an8}One of them was the quote from Richard Sackler, saying that 479 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,748 {\an8}upon the launch of OxyContin in 1996, 480 00:37:28,914 --> 00:37:33,502 {\an8}that OxyContin would cover the country in a blizzard of prescriptions. 481 00:37:34,879 --> 00:37:39,550 {\an8}I just was like, "What if we made a bunch of prescriptions 482 00:37:39,717 --> 00:37:41,385 and throw that back in their faces?" 483 00:37:45,389 --> 00:37:48,058 [Kapler] We're trying to align the banners 484 00:37:48,225 --> 00:37:50,644 with the fountain right at the bottom of the spiral? 485 00:37:50,811 --> 00:37:51,979 - [Cullen] Yes. - Okay. 486 00:37:52,146 --> 00:37:54,231 Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right? 487 00:37:54,398 --> 00:37:55,483 [Cullen] Yeah. 488 00:37:55,649 --> 00:37:57,860 [Nan] The goal is to get the names off the walls. 489 00:37:58,569 --> 00:38:00,613 As long as the names are there, 490 00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,241 they still maintain their hold on their reputation. 491 00:38:04,909 --> 00:38:06,786 They're still whitewashing their reputation. 492 00:38:06,952 --> 00:38:09,079 The museums are still complicit in that. 493 00:38:14,418 --> 00:38:16,837 [Cullen] The energy was definitely right. 494 00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:20,216 The whole museum was already buzzing when we went in. 495 00:38:20,382 --> 00:38:21,967 It was a packed Saturday night. 496 00:38:24,386 --> 00:38:27,348 - Nan, are you ready? - No, where is everyone? 497 00:38:29,683 --> 00:38:31,685 We had a Signal thread, but it was really like, 498 00:38:31,852 --> 00:38:34,730 "Go at this time. If you see prescriptions falling, 499 00:38:34,897 --> 00:38:36,065 it's starting." 500 00:38:36,232 --> 00:38:37,817 - [woman] Are we ready? - [Nan] Yeah. 501 00:38:38,818 --> 00:38:41,278 [people cheering and screaming] 502 00:38:41,445 --> 00:38:43,030 ♪♪ [orchestral] 503 00:38:53,457 --> 00:38:57,711 [Kapler] I was at the bottom looking up, and I checked out for a minute 504 00:38:57,878 --> 00:39:00,005 because I was looking up at the prescription slips 505 00:39:00,172 --> 00:39:04,218 and just, like, in awe of the visual that it created. 506 00:39:04,385 --> 00:39:06,262 [cheering] 507 00:39:09,807 --> 00:39:14,353 Say it loud, say it clear! Sackler name not welcome here! 508 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,567 Say it loud, say it clear! Sackler name isn't welcome here! 509 00:39:19,733 --> 00:39:25,155 Say it loud, say it clear! OxyContin got them here! 510 00:39:26,490 --> 00:39:28,492 [Berio] I was holding one of the banners. 511 00:39:29,451 --> 00:39:32,288 We looked like we're hundreds and hundreds of activists, right? 512 00:39:32,454 --> 00:39:34,164 We were not hundreds and hundreds. 513 00:39:35,124 --> 00:39:38,544 People are shouting with us. They're agreeing with us. 514 00:39:39,587 --> 00:39:41,547 - No longer! - No longer! 515 00:39:41,714 --> 00:39:43,674 - No longer! - No longer! 516 00:39:45,467 --> 00:39:49,638 - The Sackler family must go! - The Sackler family must go! 517 00:39:49,805 --> 00:39:53,851 - The Sackler family must pay! - The Sackler family must pay! 518 00:39:54,018 --> 00:39:56,687 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 519 00:39:56,854 --> 00:39:59,231 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 520 00:39:59,982 --> 00:40:03,152 ♪♪ [orchestral] 521 00:40:13,996 --> 00:40:18,709 Say it loud, say it clear! Sacklers are not welcome here! 522 00:40:18,876 --> 00:40:23,839 Say it loud, say it clear! Sacklers are not welcome here! 523 00:40:25,049 --> 00:40:29,637 We have journeyed from the Guggenheim down to the Met 524 00:40:29,803 --> 00:40:31,430 to send a message. 525 00:40:31,597 --> 00:40:34,433 A message of life and death. 526 00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:40,522 My son was prescribed OxyContin for a knee surgery in high school. 527 00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:45,027 The doctors told him: "Take the pills every four hours. 528 00:40:45,778 --> 00:40:49,615 "Take them before the pain starts. Take them on schedule." 529 00:40:50,115 --> 00:40:54,787 When my son talked of his pain, I said, "Did you take your pill?" 530 00:40:55,371 --> 00:40:58,958 I became an accomplice to my son's demise. 531 00:40:59,833 --> 00:41:02,086 - That's not right. - [activists] That ain't right! 532 00:41:02,252 --> 00:41:04,505 My son became addicted to OxyContin. 533 00:41:04,672 --> 00:41:06,256 It progressed to heroin. 534 00:41:06,423 --> 00:41:09,551 It took 11 years, but it fucking killed him. 535 00:41:09,718 --> 00:41:14,139 It killed him. It took his life. He died alone in a bathroom. 536 00:41:14,306 --> 00:41:17,393 I don't expect the Sacklers to care about my son Jack. 537 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:18,559 [man] We care! 538 00:41:18,686 --> 00:41:21,355 But 400,000 lives, right? 539 00:41:21,522 --> 00:41:23,524 Somebody should care about that! 540 00:41:23,691 --> 00:41:24,692 [woman] Yes! 541 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:26,068 [cheering] 542 00:41:33,117 --> 00:41:35,244 [Poitras] And how did the Guggenheim respond? 543 00:41:35,411 --> 00:41:36,829 {\an8}[Nan] They didn't say anything. 544 00:41:37,997 --> 00:41:40,040 {\an8}The museums were keeping quiet. 545 00:41:41,125 --> 00:41:42,251 {\an8}The first year, 546 00:41:42,418 --> 00:41:45,546 {\an8}it's like 25 museums were supportive of the Sacklers. 547 00:41:45,713 --> 00:41:47,673 Either said nothing or were supportive. 548 00:41:49,091 --> 00:41:53,053 They know the Sacklers are a bad look for their PR. 549 00:41:53,762 --> 00:41:54,762 [Poitras] Right. 550 00:41:54,805 --> 00:41:58,517 But they're terrified of what will be found out about them. 551 00:42:01,395 --> 00:42:04,523 The rich people are scared that we're going to dig into 552 00:42:04,690 --> 00:42:06,442 the evil way they made money. 553 00:42:15,993 --> 00:42:20,039 {\an8}♪ Oh, yeah I had laid such a tender trap ♪ 554 00:42:21,373 --> 00:42:25,461 {\an8}♪ Hoping you might fall into it ♪ 555 00:42:25,627 --> 00:42:28,547 {\an8}♪ But love hit me like a sudden slap ♪ 556 00:42:29,757 --> 00:42:33,552 {\an8}♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪ 557 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,681 {\an8}♪ What's this whole world coming to? ♪ 558 00:42:37,848 --> 00:42:41,185 {\an8}♪ Things just ain't the same ♪ 559 00:42:42,269 --> 00:42:45,981 {\an8}♪ Any time the hunter ♪ 560 00:42:46,148 --> 00:42:50,444 {\an8}♪ Gets captured by the game ♪ 561 00:42:52,821 --> 00:42:54,865 [Nan] I moved to the Bowery in '78. 562 00:42:56,075 --> 00:42:59,495 This place that should have become a museum. 563 00:43:01,371 --> 00:43:02,998 So many people lived there, 564 00:43:03,165 --> 00:43:07,669 and it was one of the big addresses in lower New York at the time. 565 00:43:09,963 --> 00:43:13,092 It was a shithole loft because there was no light. 566 00:43:13,258 --> 00:43:16,136 It didn't have any walls for a while. 567 00:43:16,303 --> 00:43:19,723 Kind of dysfunctional, but managed to function. 568 00:43:22,142 --> 00:43:25,646 We used to fuck in the elevator. There was a lot of drugs. 569 00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:29,108 Always a lot of drugs, a lot of coke, a lot of speed. 570 00:43:30,567 --> 00:43:32,027 The Bowery was the Ballad. 571 00:43:32,194 --> 00:43:34,696 The Bowery was the Goldin headquarters. 572 00:43:36,532 --> 00:43:39,326 And that's where I was situated in the universe, 573 00:43:39,493 --> 00:43:40,494 was the Bowery. 574 00:43:46,291 --> 00:43:50,838 When I got to New York, this guy gave me some names of galleries. 575 00:43:51,338 --> 00:43:54,174 In those days, you went to galleries with your portfolio. 576 00:43:54,633 --> 00:43:56,885 So I called some galleries, they weren't interested. 577 00:43:57,052 --> 00:43:58,929 And then I went up to see Marvin. 578 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:04,476 I walked in and showed these photos that no one had ever seen before. 579 00:44:04,643 --> 00:44:07,062 Totally bad prints and torn. 580 00:44:07,229 --> 00:44:10,315 And immediately, we understood each other. 581 00:44:12,067 --> 00:44:15,571 {\an8}She showed up one day with a box of pictures, 582 00:44:15,737 --> 00:44:18,907 {\an8}showed up in this party dress, a polka dot party dress 583 00:44:19,074 --> 00:44:20,826 {\an8}with a lot of crinolines, 584 00:44:20,993 --> 00:44:23,203 {\an8}and kind of weird makeup, and... 585 00:44:23,996 --> 00:44:27,666 walked up the very fancy stairs of this gallery and... 586 00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:28,959 had this box of pictures. 587 00:44:29,126 --> 00:44:32,462 And I opened up this box of pictures, about 20 of them in it, and... 588 00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:35,132 I had never seen pictures like that in my life. 589 00:44:35,299 --> 00:44:38,385 These portraits and pictures of people living their lives 590 00:44:38,552 --> 00:44:41,972 that really were unlike anything anybody else was doing. 591 00:44:43,015 --> 00:44:48,145 [Nan] He asked me to bring more stuff, and I brought up a crate. 592 00:44:48,312 --> 00:44:49,521 [chuckles] 593 00:44:50,564 --> 00:44:55,235 And I got the cab driver to bring me up by giving him a blowjob. 594 00:44:55,402 --> 00:44:58,030 So that's how I entered the art world. 595 00:44:58,197 --> 00:44:59,698 [chuckling] 596 00:45:00,365 --> 00:45:02,451 This was 1979. 597 00:45:02,951 --> 00:45:04,953 ♪♪ [funk] 598 00:45:15,214 --> 00:45:17,799 The first week we were there, the Mudd Club opened. 599 00:45:18,884 --> 00:45:20,719 And I met Vivienne Dick. 600 00:45:23,764 --> 00:45:26,183 Vivienne was curious about everything, 601 00:45:26,350 --> 00:45:28,936 and a lot of stuff that happened, she took me to. 602 00:45:32,606 --> 00:45:35,192 I mean, there were different worlds in New York 603 00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,402 that I was moving between, 604 00:45:37,569 --> 00:45:39,905 and they didn't necessarily like each other. 605 00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:45,535 {\an8}The world of Vivienne 606 00:45:45,702 --> 00:45:48,830 {\an8}and this woman I lived with named Suzanne... 607 00:45:52,668 --> 00:45:54,127 {\an8}And Greer... 608 00:45:55,712 --> 00:45:59,341 {\an8}She was making her dolls all the time, working constantly. 609 00:45:59,508 --> 00:46:02,511 ♪ You can't be funky You can't be funky ♪ 610 00:46:02,678 --> 00:46:06,348 {\an8}♪ You can't be funky If you haven't got a soul ♪ 611 00:46:08,433 --> 00:46:10,435 {\an8}And then there was the world of Bruce. 612 00:46:13,981 --> 00:46:15,524 {\an8}And David. 613 00:46:20,654 --> 00:46:21,905 {\an8}And Cookie. 614 00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:24,950 {\an8}♪♪ [disco] 615 00:46:25,492 --> 00:46:29,079 She was the center of New York downtown life. 616 00:46:40,549 --> 00:46:43,010 People used to say we were marginalized. 617 00:46:44,344 --> 00:46:46,096 And we didn't care. 618 00:46:47,806 --> 00:46:50,225 {\an8}Normal people were marginalized to us. 619 00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,941 {\an8}Cookie was in films, she was in plays. 620 00:46:59,109 --> 00:47:01,445 {\an8}And then she was writing art criticism. 621 00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:06,325 {\an8}Cookie used to say, 622 00:47:06,491 --> 00:47:09,745 "I don't know why people think I'm wild. I'm not wild. 623 00:47:09,911 --> 00:47:13,540 Wildness just appears on the road in front of me." 624 00:47:14,916 --> 00:47:18,086 You have to hear her voice, and that tells you everything. 625 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,632 This kind of irony and humor. 626 00:47:24,217 --> 00:47:26,970 "You should really wait for Charlie to come back from the store. 627 00:47:27,137 --> 00:47:30,057 He's the one to talk to. He's right in there buying oranges for us." 628 00:47:30,223 --> 00:47:32,768 She pointed to the Haight Street Chinese fruit store. 629 00:47:32,934 --> 00:47:35,812 But I'd had enough and thanked them and left looking for more action. 630 00:47:35,979 --> 00:47:38,023 These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky Fromme 631 00:47:38,190 --> 00:47:39,441 and Mary Brunner and others. 632 00:47:39,608 --> 00:47:43,236 And I missed meeting Charlie Manson by five minutes." 633 00:47:44,821 --> 00:47:46,990 [Nan] Cookie was working as a go-go dancer. 634 00:47:49,076 --> 00:47:50,827 I was dancing in New Jersey 635 00:47:50,994 --> 00:47:53,955 because you didn't have to take your top off in New Jersey. 636 00:47:54,998 --> 00:47:57,918 {\an8}And New York was topless. New Jersey wasn't. 637 00:47:59,628 --> 00:48:01,505 {\an8}♪♪ [disco] 638 00:48:01,671 --> 00:48:04,383 {\an8}So we'd take the bus out to Paterson, 639 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,929 {\an8}and go to these lowlife bars and wiggle our asses, 640 00:48:09,096 --> 00:48:12,474 {\an8}and then get on the bus and come back to New York. [chuckles] 641 00:48:16,770 --> 00:48:19,106 {\an8}I was dancing to have money to buy film. 642 00:48:27,948 --> 00:48:30,617 Then I started in the whorehouse. 643 00:48:31,368 --> 00:48:33,578 Yeah, that got pretty ugly. 644 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,418 I haven't kept many secrets in my life. 645 00:48:41,253 --> 00:48:44,005 But I never did talk about it before. 646 00:48:49,094 --> 00:48:53,348 But I think at this point in my life, I should talk about it 647 00:48:53,515 --> 00:48:56,518 because of the incredible stigma around sex work. 648 00:49:02,399 --> 00:49:07,404 Vivienne got really interested in the fact that I had worked in a house, 649 00:49:07,571 --> 00:49:10,949 and decided she wanted to make a film about it. 650 00:49:12,701 --> 00:49:14,119 It's a fiction film. 651 00:49:14,703 --> 00:49:17,497 I'm playing the madam of the house where I worked... 652 00:49:18,707 --> 00:49:19,958 who was a monster. 653 00:49:20,125 --> 00:49:23,211 Hi. How are you? Have you been with us before? 654 00:49:23,378 --> 00:49:25,046 She would have us on our backs all day, 655 00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:27,424 and then she'd come home from Bloomingdales 656 00:49:27,591 --> 00:49:29,301 showing off her lingerie. 657 00:49:31,803 --> 00:49:35,765 I mean, sex work isn't negative in itself, but it's no party. 658 00:49:35,932 --> 00:49:38,101 It's one of the hardest jobs you could have. 659 00:49:47,235 --> 00:49:50,030 {\an8}And so that's how Tin Pan Alley came. 660 00:49:53,867 --> 00:49:57,496 {\an8}Somebody said, "You should go meet Maggie." 661 00:49:57,662 --> 00:50:01,082 {\an8}She was hiring women who had been sex workers 662 00:50:01,249 --> 00:50:04,169 {\an8}and kind of helped people get out of it. 663 00:50:04,336 --> 00:50:06,755 She was an incredible force. 664 00:50:06,922 --> 00:50:09,674 She was a community organizer. 665 00:50:09,841 --> 00:50:11,134 She was a great cook. 666 00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:14,596 She was a radical. 667 00:50:15,847 --> 00:50:17,474 And she was a ballet dancer. 668 00:50:18,183 --> 00:50:21,686 {\an8}So she hired me pretty quickly. Like, immediately. 669 00:50:23,230 --> 00:50:27,567 {\an8}The bar was a safe space for prostitutes and also a way 670 00:50:27,734 --> 00:50:31,404 {\an8}to work their way out of prostitution if they wished to do so. 671 00:50:31,571 --> 00:50:35,075 {\an8}And it was a center for those on the left. 672 00:50:35,242 --> 00:50:37,536 The squatters movement, the anarchist movement, 673 00:50:37,702 --> 00:50:38,912 the Black movement, 674 00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:41,623 people who were interested in supporting political prisoners 675 00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:42,790 from the Latin left. 676 00:50:42,916 --> 00:50:46,378 And so it was really a polyglot place. 677 00:50:46,545 --> 00:50:51,383 It had hustlers, it had artists, Reuters journalists. 678 00:50:51,550 --> 00:50:54,678 It had people from NBC who were on strike. 679 00:50:54,844 --> 00:50:57,180 And it had the IRS. 680 00:50:58,139 --> 00:51:01,268 When the IRS would come in the afternoon to get drunk, 681 00:51:01,434 --> 00:51:03,895 they were as hard to handle as the bikers. 682 00:51:04,854 --> 00:51:07,899 But the bar was controlled by women. 683 00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:11,570 It was very important to me that we not have bouncers, 684 00:51:11,736 --> 00:51:14,948 and not depend on male strength for keeping the peace. 685 00:51:16,491 --> 00:51:19,202 And so when people behind the bar, including Nan, 686 00:51:19,369 --> 00:51:21,580 decided that it was time for someone to go, 687 00:51:21,746 --> 00:51:23,206 that person would go. 688 00:51:26,042 --> 00:51:28,211 - It's on the house. - Oh, thanks, Nan. 689 00:51:29,379 --> 00:51:30,755 [speaking indistinctly] 690 00:51:37,137 --> 00:51:40,056 [Pinckney] Tin Pan was very integrated. 691 00:51:40,223 --> 00:51:44,394 {\an8}The New Wave was not a very integrated scene at all. 692 00:51:44,561 --> 00:51:49,983 {\an8}And also it cut across class lines, which New Wave also didn't do. 693 00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:53,320 {\an8}I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan, but I can't say... 694 00:51:53,486 --> 00:51:56,072 {\an8}Talk about repetitive nights, you know? 695 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,494 [Nan] When I first started, I loved it there. 696 00:52:01,661 --> 00:52:02,871 The first two years... 697 00:52:04,164 --> 00:52:05,874 I listened to people. 698 00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:08,960 Really listened. 699 00:52:10,295 --> 00:52:11,880 And they weren't used to that. 700 00:52:14,215 --> 00:52:18,011 I was sort of the dominatrix of the bar, and I got tips 701 00:52:18,178 --> 00:52:21,890 because people wanted to impress me, win me back... 702 00:52:23,391 --> 00:52:28,897 And I would work till four in the morning and then we'd go to the after-hours. 703 00:52:31,733 --> 00:52:34,069 [saxophone playing] 704 00:52:35,403 --> 00:52:40,075 [Smith] Tin Pan Alley became a major kind of staging point 705 00:52:40,241 --> 00:52:43,286 as people were planning for the Times Square show. 706 00:52:44,913 --> 00:52:46,915 It was multi-floor. 707 00:52:47,082 --> 00:52:49,459 {\an8}It was collaborative. 708 00:52:50,001 --> 00:52:51,670 {\an8}There was graffiti, 709 00:52:52,504 --> 00:52:55,548 {\an8}sculpture, there were painters, 710 00:52:55,715 --> 00:52:57,300 {\an8}lots of video work. 711 00:52:57,467 --> 00:52:58,635 {\an8}There was music... 712 00:52:58,802 --> 00:53:00,595 {\an8}[band playing jazz music] 713 00:53:04,265 --> 00:53:06,142 {\an8}[singing indistinctly] 714 00:53:10,605 --> 00:53:13,775 The first floor is where most of the performances were. 715 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,529 So Nan invited everyone in the bar. 716 00:53:17,696 --> 00:53:20,156 So, yes, I was anxious to see her work and... 717 00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:24,869 I, you know, was sitting on the floor, and this music starts, 718 00:53:25,036 --> 00:53:26,371 and the slides start. 719 00:53:36,172 --> 00:53:38,258 ♪ I put a spell on you ♪ 720 00:53:44,597 --> 00:53:46,891 ♪ Because you're mine ♪ 721 00:53:53,022 --> 00:53:55,608 ♪ Stop the things you do ♪ 722 00:54:00,447 --> 00:54:01,447 ♪ Watch out! ♪ 723 00:54:02,157 --> 00:54:04,701 ♪ I ain't lying ♪ 724 00:54:07,954 --> 00:54:12,208 ♪ Yeah, I can't stand ♪ 725 00:54:13,877 --> 00:54:16,254 ♪ No running around ♪ 726 00:54:17,839 --> 00:54:20,341 ♪ I can't stand... ♪ 727 00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:25,096 [Smith] The work was incredibly political. 728 00:54:25,263 --> 00:54:27,307 It was about power, 729 00:54:27,474 --> 00:54:31,060 and particularly about the power that men have over women, 730 00:54:31,227 --> 00:54:34,898 and how that power is translated up in the society. 731 00:54:36,858 --> 00:54:39,319 [Pinckney] The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow, 732 00:54:39,486 --> 00:54:41,154 it was extremely raucous. 733 00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:44,157 What I remember mostly is the noise, 734 00:54:44,324 --> 00:54:47,285 not just of the music or of the equipment, 735 00:54:47,452 --> 00:54:49,913 but of people talking to the screen... 736 00:54:51,206 --> 00:54:52,499 commenting. 737 00:54:53,666 --> 00:54:56,085 [Nan] At the beginning, the audience would be made up 738 00:54:56,252 --> 00:54:59,130 exclusively of the people in the show, 739 00:54:59,297 --> 00:55:02,258 so they would scream at me if they didn't like something, 740 00:55:02,425 --> 00:55:04,719 and scream if they loved something. 741 00:55:04,886 --> 00:55:07,889 So I edited according to that to some extent. 742 00:55:10,767 --> 00:55:14,562 And then I had those pictures of my friend having sex with her boyfriend, 743 00:55:14,729 --> 00:55:18,066 and she demanded I take them out at some point. 744 00:55:18,233 --> 00:55:21,152 And so that's when I started photographing myself having sex. 745 00:55:21,986 --> 00:55:26,115 I figured if I was showing her having sex, I had to show myself having sex. 746 00:55:26,282 --> 00:55:28,076 ♪♪ [rock] 747 00:55:33,748 --> 00:55:35,667 I was doing it at underground clubs 748 00:55:35,834 --> 00:55:39,087 {\an8}and my boyfriend at the time was spinning records. 749 00:55:39,838 --> 00:55:41,589 {\an8}♪♪ [funk] 750 00:55:41,756 --> 00:55:43,550 {\an8}So that's when the music started. 751 00:55:44,092 --> 00:55:46,427 {\an8}I would start with songs that I knew, 752 00:55:46,594 --> 00:55:49,347 {\an8}and then people would send me music, literally. 753 00:55:49,514 --> 00:55:51,558 {\an8}But I changed them every single time. 754 00:55:52,767 --> 00:55:55,895 {\an8}It was fun. It was really fun. 755 00:55:56,062 --> 00:55:57,981 {\an8}People would be dancing. 756 00:55:58,147 --> 00:56:00,191 {\an8}You know, it was fabulous. 757 00:56:00,358 --> 00:56:01,860 {\an8}♪ Somebody let me know ♪ 758 00:56:02,026 --> 00:56:04,571 {\an8}♪ Who let the body in the place Put a whistle in your face ♪ 759 00:56:04,737 --> 00:56:07,073 {\an8}♪ Scream it out and say, "Yo, hit it" ♪ 760 00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:11,494 [Nan] I was always late for everything. 761 00:56:12,287 --> 00:56:15,999 {\an8}I didn't sleep. I mean, I was up all night editing. 762 00:56:20,128 --> 00:56:22,255 {\an8}[Pinckney] You never saw the same thing twice. 763 00:56:22,422 --> 00:56:24,424 {\an8}She changed the music, she changed the slides, 764 00:56:24,591 --> 00:56:26,634 {\an8}she changed the order of them. 765 00:56:26,801 --> 00:56:32,473 Sometimes her own changed feelings changed the meanings of them, 766 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,311 because her photographs don't hold just one meaning. 767 00:56:37,186 --> 00:56:42,317 You know, a lot is going on in a Nan Goldin photograph. 768 00:56:46,571 --> 00:56:49,657 And I guess that's what made people think it was so cinematic, 769 00:56:49,824 --> 00:56:52,452 because to most people they seem like characters, 770 00:56:52,619 --> 00:56:54,412 whereas to the people being photographed, 771 00:56:54,579 --> 00:56:56,289 they seem like themselves. 772 00:56:58,416 --> 00:57:00,627 She photographs from our side. 773 00:57:04,172 --> 00:57:06,966 [Nan] The mid-80s was when I was closest to Cookie. 774 00:57:09,093 --> 00:57:13,222 She wasn't doing very well, so this friend of hers told her 775 00:57:13,389 --> 00:57:15,183 to spin a globe, 776 00:57:15,892 --> 00:57:19,395 and wherever she put her finger, to go there. 777 00:57:19,562 --> 00:57:23,650 So she went to Italy and she met Vittorio. 778 00:57:27,028 --> 00:57:29,322 It was the greatest love of her life. 779 00:57:32,533 --> 00:57:34,202 It was a huge wedding. 780 00:57:34,369 --> 00:57:36,663 Everyone in lower New York was there. 781 00:57:37,664 --> 00:57:39,749 Rene Ricard, 782 00:57:39,916 --> 00:57:42,877 Greer, David Armstrong, 783 00:57:44,420 --> 00:57:46,130 Francesco Clemente, 784 00:57:46,798 --> 00:57:48,466 Teri Toye... 785 00:57:49,676 --> 00:57:51,219 Peter Hujar was there. 786 00:57:51,886 --> 00:57:55,181 And we were standing next to each other taking pictures. 787 00:57:57,058 --> 00:57:58,643 It was a beautiful wedding 788 00:58:01,896 --> 00:58:03,398 And a wild party. 789 00:58:08,277 --> 00:58:10,154 ♪ Now there's a man ♪ 790 00:58:10,321 --> 00:58:12,615 ♪ The living tool of Satan ♪ 791 00:58:12,782 --> 00:58:16,494 ♪ He charges forth While others are debatin' ♪ 792 00:58:16,661 --> 00:58:20,498 ♪ Connivin', cocky knave With all the trimmin' ♪ 793 00:58:20,665 --> 00:58:25,878 ♪ I know one thing can trim him down Women ♪ 794 00:58:26,045 --> 00:58:30,675 ♪ In women he meets deep authority ♪ 795 00:58:30,842 --> 00:58:37,765 ♪ On them he feels his old dependency ♪ 796 00:58:40,852 --> 00:58:45,732 [Nan] Once I started sharing the work, I got a lot of shit. 797 00:58:47,275 --> 00:58:49,318 "There's no such thing as a good woman artist," 798 00:58:49,485 --> 00:58:52,405 was said to me in, like, mid-80s. 799 00:58:53,364 --> 00:58:55,992 It was really heavy resistance... 800 00:58:57,118 --> 00:59:01,330 especially from male artists and gallerists who said, 801 00:59:01,497 --> 00:59:03,291 "This isn't photography. 802 00:59:04,125 --> 00:59:06,461 Nobody photographs their own life." 803 00:59:07,211 --> 00:59:11,257 It was still a kind of outlier act. 804 00:59:12,091 --> 00:59:17,263 It was basically a time of black and white, vertical photographs. 805 00:59:18,931 --> 00:59:23,811 So it's hard to understand that that could have ever been radical. 806 00:59:28,775 --> 00:59:33,279 I thought the art world was bullshit and that Times Square was real life. 807 00:59:34,447 --> 00:59:36,074 That's where I met Brian. 808 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,580 Our first date, we went to see The Clash 809 00:59:43,289 --> 00:59:45,374 right around the corner from the bar. 810 00:59:46,459 --> 00:59:49,670 And then we went up to Harlem and copped. 811 00:59:51,464 --> 00:59:53,424 And then he just stayed. 812 00:59:53,591 --> 00:59:56,969 And he stayed for '81 to '84. 813 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,602 He was beautiful at the time, and I fell in love with him. 814 01:00:07,396 --> 01:00:09,065 He was very tender. 815 01:00:10,733 --> 01:00:12,777 You can see it in Brian's eyes. 816 01:00:18,991 --> 01:00:20,660 We had very good sex, 817 01:00:20,827 --> 01:00:23,830 and that can keep people together for a long time. 818 01:00:29,085 --> 01:00:30,962 And then we started fighting a lot. 819 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,632 And I was good at fighting. 820 01:00:40,179 --> 01:00:43,266 He wanted to break up, and I didn't want him to. 821 01:00:43,432 --> 01:00:46,936 And then we went through that a lot, trying to break up. 822 01:00:48,855 --> 01:00:51,858 And then when I went to Berlin, we'd broken up, 823 01:00:52,024 --> 01:00:55,111 and then he came to Berlin and... 824 01:00:55,278 --> 01:00:56,612 And that story. 825 01:01:00,616 --> 01:01:03,327 I did a slideshow at some loft, 826 01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:07,039 and we went to a bar, 827 01:01:08,541 --> 01:01:11,210 and then he realized I'd been with this girl, 828 01:01:11,377 --> 01:01:13,796 and he became jealous. 829 01:01:14,714 --> 01:01:16,924 And that's what set it off. 830 01:01:20,428 --> 01:01:23,431 We were so intertwined, we didn't know how to break up. 831 01:01:24,974 --> 01:01:28,019 So this was his way of breaking up. 832 01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:35,318 He punched me in the face repeatedly, 833 01:01:35,484 --> 01:01:37,486 like, boom, boom, boom. 834 01:01:37,653 --> 01:01:40,281 And he went after my eyes. 835 01:01:40,823 --> 01:01:45,119 I was bleeding, and there was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris. 836 01:01:45,286 --> 01:01:47,163 Sylvie came in and dragged me out. 837 01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:50,208 She saved my life. 838 01:01:53,085 --> 01:01:58,758 He trashed the room and he wrote in lipstick all over the room: 839 01:01:58,925 --> 01:02:00,426 "Bitch, cunt." 840 01:02:01,677 --> 01:02:03,221 He burned my diaries. 841 01:02:05,056 --> 01:02:09,435 The greatest luck of my life is that I left the slideshow 842 01:02:09,602 --> 01:02:11,938 at the loft where I'd shown it. 843 01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:14,690 Because he would have destroyed it. 844 01:02:16,192 --> 01:02:17,192 Yeah. 845 01:02:23,157 --> 01:02:27,828 All the bones in the orbital floor of my eye were broken. 846 01:02:29,497 --> 01:02:31,624 - And, um... - [Poitras] To go for your eyes... 847 01:02:31,791 --> 01:02:33,626 Maggie said he wanted to blind me. 848 01:02:38,673 --> 01:02:40,508 My pictures of myself battered 849 01:02:41,509 --> 01:02:44,011 were what kept me from going back. 850 01:02:48,808 --> 01:02:52,061 Women who've been battered have come to me and told me 851 01:02:52,228 --> 01:02:55,648 that they were able to talk about it because of those pictures. 852 01:03:00,027 --> 01:03:03,739 The struggle between autonomy and dependency 853 01:03:03,906 --> 01:03:07,326 is the core of The Ballad of Sexual Dependency. 854 01:03:13,374 --> 01:03:16,961 My father tried to get it stopped from being published. 855 01:03:19,547 --> 01:03:21,549 The pictures were one thing, 856 01:03:21,716 --> 01:03:24,427 but they were so afraid of the text... 857 01:03:25,636 --> 01:03:29,265 'cause he said that I was trying to prove that they killed my sister. 858 01:03:30,433 --> 01:03:31,767 That's how he put it. 859 01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:36,897 Brian was trying to get it stopped. 860 01:03:38,149 --> 01:03:42,278 It makes it even more radical, all these men trying to stop it. 861 01:03:47,158 --> 01:03:50,911 When I got back to New York, I went to Tin Pan. 862 01:03:51,704 --> 01:03:54,707 I was terrified because there were all those men, 863 01:03:54,874 --> 01:03:56,959 and I couldn't be in a crowd with men. 864 01:03:58,252 --> 01:04:01,464 Maggie thought I was shooting dope and I wasn't, 865 01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:03,257 but I was snorting it. 866 01:04:05,301 --> 01:04:08,220 And I remembered when I quit Tin Pan, I thought, 867 01:04:08,387 --> 01:04:11,432 "Oh, now I'm gonna get really strung out 868 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,559 because there's nothing to stop me." 869 01:04:15,478 --> 01:04:16,520 And I did. 870 01:04:24,779 --> 01:04:26,197 It's a little scary around here. 871 01:04:28,157 --> 01:04:32,411 A New York Post reporter called me cold without being introduced. 872 01:04:32,578 --> 01:04:35,498 He called me on my cell phone. He said he got it on the internet. 873 01:04:36,374 --> 01:04:38,167 We have to really have the facts 874 01:04:38,334 --> 01:04:40,628 if we're going to go up against this family. 875 01:04:40,795 --> 01:04:41,962 They could sue us, right? 876 01:04:44,340 --> 01:04:46,300 [Kapler] After a few of our actions, 877 01:04:46,467 --> 01:04:48,969 Purdue Pharma started taking out full-page ads 878 01:04:49,136 --> 01:04:50,221 in The New York Times, 879 01:04:50,388 --> 01:04:54,392 saying, "Of course we care about the opioid crisis. 880 01:04:54,558 --> 01:04:56,310 We're in the market of opioids." 881 01:04:58,354 --> 01:05:01,649 People are still accepting Sackler donations. 882 01:05:03,317 --> 01:05:06,195 [woman] What's happening with the National Portrait Gallery? 883 01:05:06,362 --> 01:05:10,157 I don't know what's going on with my work being in the show or not. 884 01:05:10,324 --> 01:05:11,742 What do people think? 885 01:05:12,326 --> 01:05:15,329 [woman] It would be a serious blow 886 01:05:15,496 --> 01:05:17,832 if Nan Goldin refuses to show her work there 887 01:05:17,998 --> 01:05:19,583 because of Sackler money. 888 01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:20,750 So... 889 01:05:20,793 --> 01:05:24,713 [Kapler] Nan was set to have a retrospective 890 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,425 with the National Portrait Gallery in the U.K., 891 01:05:27,591 --> 01:05:30,719 but they're in the middle of accepting 892 01:05:30,886 --> 01:05:34,598 a $1.3 million grant from the Sacklers. 893 01:05:35,015 --> 01:05:39,395 So Nan told them that she would not do her retrospective with them 894 01:05:39,562 --> 01:05:41,147 if they were to accept it. 895 01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:48,696 [woman cheers] 896 01:05:49,113 --> 01:05:51,031 [Nan] Unbelievable! 897 01:05:51,866 --> 01:05:55,119 Oh, man, it's working, right? It's working. 898 01:05:55,286 --> 01:05:56,620 [Kapler] I can't believe it. 899 01:05:57,246 --> 01:05:59,123 [Velasco] When the National Portrait Gallery 900 01:05:59,290 --> 01:06:02,126 refused the donation from the Sacklers, this is a watershed moment. 901 01:06:02,293 --> 01:06:06,088 This is an incredible rush to think that 902 01:06:06,255 --> 01:06:10,468 people are actually beginning to rethink how we do things. 903 01:06:12,553 --> 01:06:15,306 [Nan] Let's go over what happened in one week. 904 01:06:15,473 --> 01:06:19,727 I think it doesn't happen to activist groups very often. 905 01:06:19,894 --> 01:06:23,564 On Tuesday, the National Portrait Gallery 906 01:06:23,731 --> 01:06:25,816 was the first to refuse money. 907 01:06:25,983 --> 01:06:27,443 [all] Yeah! 908 01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:30,488 On Thursday, the Tate crumbled. 909 01:06:30,654 --> 01:06:34,950 On Friday, surprisingly, the Guggenheim. 910 01:06:35,117 --> 01:06:36,117 [man] Yeah. 911 01:06:36,243 --> 01:06:37,620 And that was shocking. 912 01:06:37,786 --> 01:06:39,121 [clapping] 913 01:06:39,288 --> 01:06:45,461 Okay, and then those dirty deep bottom-feeders, the hedge fund, 914 01:06:45,628 --> 01:06:49,298 refusing to take the Sackler money, which is unprecedented. 915 01:06:49,965 --> 01:06:51,675 [all cheering] 916 01:06:54,678 --> 01:06:56,889 [Kapler] The domino effect was huge. 917 01:06:57,056 --> 01:07:01,310 The fact that this is happening by all these major museums, 918 01:07:01,477 --> 01:07:04,563 and also Nan has her hand in every single one, 919 01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:09,193 including the Tate, is major, and then the Met followed. 920 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,154 But it was not good enough for us. 921 01:07:12,321 --> 01:07:16,492 We had a very clear demand: No longer accept Sackler money. 922 01:07:16,659 --> 01:07:19,578 You know, then the next part obviously is take down the name. 923 01:07:25,793 --> 01:07:30,214 [Keefe] Subsequently, we then saw this WhatsApp log 924 01:07:30,381 --> 01:07:33,133 that came out from the Mortimer Sackler family members, 925 01:07:34,009 --> 01:07:36,929 and you actually see them start to talk about Nan Goldin. 926 01:07:37,596 --> 01:07:43,269 They talk about it solely as a matter of public relations management. 927 01:07:43,435 --> 01:07:47,481 You don't have a single person who says, "Well, wait a second, 928 01:07:48,357 --> 01:07:50,401 maybe there's some substance to this critique. 929 01:07:50,568 --> 01:07:52,778 We should look hard at what we've done. 930 01:07:52,945 --> 01:07:57,157 Is there some way we can make amends? Are there questions we should be asking?" 931 01:07:57,324 --> 01:07:59,535 Instead, it's just entirely, 932 01:07:59,702 --> 01:08:03,205 "How do we manage this PR problem?" 933 01:08:10,004 --> 01:08:12,548 [Poitras] When did you know you were being followed? 934 01:08:14,466 --> 01:08:20,806 I was leaving Nan's by myself on a Friday night. 935 01:08:21,557 --> 01:08:22,725 And... 936 01:08:24,852 --> 01:08:26,687 I noticed a car. 937 01:08:27,771 --> 01:08:32,943 I noticed that the person sitting in it is obscuring his face. 938 01:08:33,819 --> 01:08:37,781 And the second I'm directly across from him, 939 01:08:37,948 --> 01:08:39,783 he kind of looks at me. 940 01:08:43,412 --> 01:08:48,959 The next week, as I'm crossing my direct street, 941 01:08:49,126 --> 01:08:53,172 up to the stop sign pulls this car. 942 01:08:54,173 --> 01:08:57,801 And I looked at him. 943 01:08:59,303 --> 01:09:02,014 And I just kept walking. 944 01:09:02,181 --> 01:09:05,559 I walked for like 15 feet or so, and when I looked back, 945 01:09:05,726 --> 01:09:08,103 he was just taking my photo from his car. 946 01:09:11,482 --> 01:09:15,819 And, like, I'm just having a memory of that moment 947 01:09:15,986 --> 01:09:17,196 because it's like... 948 01:09:17,363 --> 01:09:18,364 There is no... 949 01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:21,742 I don't think I've experienced a greater fear than that moment, 950 01:09:21,909 --> 01:09:24,036 'cause I don't know who the fuck this guy is. 951 01:09:25,788 --> 01:09:28,290 But I know it's the same guy from the week before. 952 01:09:32,252 --> 01:09:35,422 So I think I even yelled at him, but I don't even know if he knew. 953 01:09:35,589 --> 01:09:40,010 He peeled out, and I was terrified. 954 01:09:40,928 --> 01:09:42,012 And then, 955 01:09:43,138 --> 01:09:44,765 imagine my shock 956 01:09:44,932 --> 01:09:48,560 when the next week, exactly a week later, 957 01:09:48,727 --> 01:09:50,646 this guy is outside of Nan's. 958 01:09:58,821 --> 01:10:01,990 We just walked out of Nan's house. 959 01:10:02,157 --> 01:10:04,910 The same car is in front of the house again. 960 01:10:13,585 --> 01:10:16,088 [man] And the guy is... 961 01:10:17,506 --> 01:10:18,799 right there... 962 01:10:19,591 --> 01:10:22,386 watching me film him right now. 963 01:10:23,595 --> 01:10:25,097 [horn honking] 964 01:10:25,264 --> 01:10:27,015 [Kapler] He's pulling out right now. 965 01:10:32,771 --> 01:10:36,483 I went out with my wife and two children. I have two small boys. 966 01:10:37,234 --> 01:10:40,696 We walked out one day to run an errand, and we were getting into the car, 967 01:10:40,863 --> 01:10:43,657 and a neighbor came over and she said, 968 01:10:43,824 --> 01:10:47,578 "Hey, I don't want to freak you out, but just up there, 969 01:10:47,745 --> 01:10:50,205 there's a guy who's parked across the street from my house 970 01:10:50,372 --> 01:10:55,002 in an SUV, and he's been there all day, and I think he's watching your house." 971 01:10:55,169 --> 01:10:56,837 So the first thing I thought, of course, 972 01:10:57,004 --> 01:10:58,922 is that I knew that Nan had had this experience 973 01:10:59,089 --> 01:11:00,758 and Megan had had this experience. 974 01:11:01,300 --> 01:11:02,300 Um... 975 01:11:03,427 --> 01:11:08,515 And so it felt of a piece in terms of the M.O. 976 01:11:10,309 --> 01:11:14,730 When I was fact-checking my book, I asked Purdue if they knew anything 977 01:11:14,897 --> 01:11:18,692 about these people who've been following Nan and Megan and me, 978 01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:22,654 and Purdue came back and said, 979 01:11:22,821 --> 01:11:24,865 "Absolutely not. We would never do such a thing. 980 01:11:25,032 --> 01:11:25,783 That's outrageous." 981 01:11:25,949 --> 01:11:27,826 Really strenuously denying it, 982 01:11:27,993 --> 01:11:32,998 and in my queries to the Sacklers, I asked the same thing, and... 983 01:11:33,165 --> 01:11:35,626 There were some of the things I asked about 984 01:11:35,793 --> 01:11:37,211 that they came back and denied. 985 01:11:37,377 --> 01:11:38,754 And this was not one of them. 986 01:11:49,056 --> 01:11:51,183 [man] Bob is one of our board members. 987 01:11:53,519 --> 01:11:54,770 [Kapler] Hi, how are you? 988 01:11:54,937 --> 01:11:57,648 [man] Now, admittedly, it's a little crazy... 989 01:12:00,609 --> 01:12:03,153 [woman] So has anybody had a Narcan kit before 990 01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:05,239 or have been through a Narcan training? 991 01:12:05,405 --> 01:12:07,991 Yeah, I got a kit a couple of weeks ago. 992 01:12:08,158 --> 01:12:10,452 I have a kit in my house, but I haven't been trained. 993 01:12:10,619 --> 01:12:14,498 Okay. So I'm just going to go over a couple of the essentials, 994 01:12:14,665 --> 01:12:16,583 signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose, 995 01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:17,751 and how to use Narcan 996 01:12:17,918 --> 01:12:20,087 to reverse an opiate overdose, okay? 997 01:12:20,671 --> 01:12:24,383 So if you see somebody who you think could be experiencing an opiate overdose, 998 01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:26,844 you say, "Are you okay?" They don't respond. 999 01:12:27,010 --> 01:12:29,346 You do the sternal rub, they still don't respond. 1000 01:12:29,513 --> 01:12:31,890 You may shake them. If they still don't respond, 1001 01:12:32,057 --> 01:12:33,600 that's when you're gonna give Narcan. 1002 01:12:33,767 --> 01:12:36,353 So you're going to give Narcan and call 911. 1003 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:39,606 You can do whichever you want to do first, but do both. 1004 01:12:39,773 --> 01:12:42,734 Open it up, hold it, spray it up their nose, okay? 1005 01:12:42,901 --> 01:12:45,654 If it's not an overdose, it's not gonna hurt them and won't work. 1006 01:12:45,821 --> 01:12:48,448 But if it is an overdose, it's gonna save their life. 1007 01:12:48,615 --> 01:12:49,615 Okay? 1008 01:12:50,158 --> 01:12:53,036 [Cullen] Focusing on harm reduction is what's going to bring people 1009 01:12:53,203 --> 01:12:54,621 out of this crisis. 1010 01:12:54,788 --> 01:12:58,584 Safe consumption sites, reducing stigma, and helping drug users 1011 01:12:58,750 --> 01:13:01,295 is the long goal, so... 1012 01:13:10,846 --> 01:13:13,307 [woman] Okay, we're gonna start the hearing. 1013 01:13:13,473 --> 01:13:14,474 Good morning. 1014 01:13:14,641 --> 01:13:17,352 I'd like to welcome you to today's hearing 1015 01:13:17,519 --> 01:13:21,899 on the adequacy of funding for substance use disorder services. 1016 01:13:22,065 --> 01:13:24,401 Our next witness is Nan Goldin, 1017 01:13:24,568 --> 01:13:28,530 founder of Prescription Addiction Intervention Now. 1018 01:13:29,156 --> 01:13:32,701 I'm gonna speak, by and large, from the personal experience. 1019 01:13:32,868 --> 01:13:36,413 That maybe will help inform you of what it means, 1020 01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:39,625 some of these bills that you're trying to pass, 1021 01:13:39,791 --> 01:13:41,960 what it actually impacts on a human being. 1022 01:13:42,628 --> 01:13:47,090 I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy without buprenorphine. 1023 01:13:47,841 --> 01:13:52,262 On a small dose of buprenorphine, cravings for opioids are reduced. 1024 01:13:52,429 --> 01:13:53,805 At larger doses, 1025 01:13:53,972 --> 01:13:57,225 you can't even feel the effects of opioids if you try. 1026 01:13:57,392 --> 01:13:58,852 I was one of the lucky ones 1027 01:13:59,019 --> 01:14:02,898 who was able to access MAT immediately and afford good treatment. 1028 01:14:03,065 --> 01:14:06,193 Doctors need to pay to train and receive a waiver 1029 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,070 to prescribe buprenorphine, 1030 01:14:08,236 --> 01:14:12,240 when no such certificate is required to prescribe OxyContin. 1031 01:14:12,407 --> 01:14:15,577 Again, this is a policy that increases the stigma 1032 01:14:15,744 --> 01:14:19,790 in the medical community about treating people addicted to drugs. 1033 01:14:19,957 --> 01:14:22,334 People need to be kept alive. 1034 01:14:22,501 --> 01:14:26,630 Addiction is not a moral issue. It is not a criminal issue. 1035 01:14:26,797 --> 01:14:28,924 Harm reduction means not only 1036 01:14:29,091 --> 01:14:32,386 recovering the harm caused by the disease of addiction, 1037 01:14:32,552 --> 01:14:36,556 but also the harm caused by the social and moral assault 1038 01:14:36,723 --> 01:14:39,017 on people with substance use disorder. 1039 01:14:41,478 --> 01:14:42,896 [woman] Thank you very much. 1040 01:14:43,063 --> 01:14:46,984 It's important to hear from people who take Medication-Assisted Treatment. 1041 01:14:47,150 --> 01:14:48,443 But I'm not ashamed of it. 1042 01:14:48,610 --> 01:14:51,530 - No. - And it's not my road to recovery. 1043 01:14:51,697 --> 01:14:54,449 - It is my recovery. - That's important to share. 1044 01:14:54,616 --> 01:14:58,912 People think you have to be off everything in order to be in recovery, 1045 01:14:59,079 --> 01:15:00,914 and that's certainly not true. 1046 01:15:01,081 --> 01:15:03,333 [Nan] Yeah, the stigma is terrible. 1047 01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,210 Okay. Thank you so much. 1048 01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:24,354 Lock arms? 1049 01:15:28,650 --> 01:15:33,739 [Kapler] We joined with Housing Works and Vocal New York, 1050 01:15:33,905 --> 01:15:36,074 who really wanted to do an action... 1051 01:15:36,241 --> 01:15:38,660 - [man] We are here... - [all] We are here... 1052 01:15:38,827 --> 01:15:41,955 - to draw attention to... - to draw attention to... 1053 01:15:42,122 --> 01:15:46,334 - Overdose Awareness Day! - Overdose Awareness Day! 1054 01:15:46,501 --> 01:15:48,587 - No stigma! - No shame! 1055 01:15:48,754 --> 01:15:50,589 - No stigma! - No shame! 1056 01:15:50,756 --> 01:15:52,549 - No stigma! - No shame! 1057 01:15:52,716 --> 01:15:54,593 - No stigma! - No shame! 1058 01:15:55,802 --> 01:15:57,721 [Miescher] In order to do the harm reduction, 1059 01:15:57,888 --> 01:16:01,641 the safe consumption sites invite people in and say, 1060 01:16:01,808 --> 01:16:07,647 "Look, whatever you're dependent on is not what we question right now. 1061 01:16:07,814 --> 01:16:10,692 We just want you to be able to do it in a safe way, 1062 01:16:10,859 --> 01:16:12,235 not put anybody at risk. 1063 01:16:13,528 --> 01:16:15,781 Here's how to shoot up in a clean way. 1064 01:16:16,948 --> 01:16:19,868 You don't know what you bought, we'll test it for you." 1065 01:16:21,036 --> 01:16:24,915 - [all] Hey, Cuomo, what do you say? - How many people died today? 1066 01:16:25,082 --> 01:16:26,917 [chanting continues] 1067 01:16:33,006 --> 01:16:37,344 No more deaths! No more deaths! No more deaths! 1068 01:16:39,179 --> 01:16:41,515 [shouting and cheering] 1069 01:16:45,644 --> 01:16:47,020 [slide projector clicks] 1070 01:16:56,738 --> 01:17:01,576 I went to rehab for the first time in 1988. 1071 01:17:05,497 --> 01:17:08,792 I had been kind of isolated from my friends. 1072 01:17:11,419 --> 01:17:14,256 I thought I was going back to my community. 1073 01:17:15,799 --> 01:17:19,136 And then I realized most of the people were dead or dying. 1074 01:17:20,220 --> 01:17:22,305 [activists] We'll never be silent again! Act Up! 1075 01:17:22,472 --> 01:17:24,307 We'll never be silent again! Act Up! 1076 01:17:24,474 --> 01:17:26,601 [chanting continues] 1077 01:17:31,898 --> 01:17:34,693 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1078 01:17:34,860 --> 01:17:37,904 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 1079 01:17:39,072 --> 01:17:40,949 [clamoring and cheering] 1080 01:17:48,582 --> 01:17:50,542 [Nan] It was like World War II. 1081 01:17:51,877 --> 01:17:55,839 That we watched everybody get wiped out, and there was nothing we could do. 1082 01:18:03,972 --> 01:18:08,560 I got a call from Artists Space, and they asked me to curate a show. 1083 01:18:11,563 --> 01:18:14,024 I wanted the subject of it to be AIDS, 1084 01:18:15,025 --> 01:18:18,862 and I was told there hadn't been any shows about AIDS. 1085 01:18:23,658 --> 01:18:28,163 I asked all my friends to contribute something 1086 01:18:28,330 --> 01:18:30,415 because I wanted it to be a community. 1087 01:18:31,541 --> 01:18:33,501 It was the first show I curated. 1088 01:18:37,130 --> 01:18:39,925 [Wojnarowicz] Mortality no longer feels like some abstraction 1089 01:18:40,091 --> 01:18:43,261 that I could push away to the age of 80 or 90, or... 1090 01:18:43,428 --> 01:18:49,309 There's no longer a luxury of pushing the idea of mortality away. 1091 01:18:52,938 --> 01:18:56,399 [Nan] David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide. 1092 01:18:56,566 --> 01:18:58,693 He was my political guide. 1093 01:19:04,324 --> 01:19:06,785 [Wojnarowicz] "If you wanna stop AIDS, shoot the queers," 1094 01:19:06,952 --> 01:19:08,620 says the governor of Texas on the radio. 1095 01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:12,082 And his press secretary later claims the governor was only joking, 1096 01:19:12,249 --> 01:19:14,209 and didn't know the microphone was turned on. 1097 01:19:14,376 --> 01:19:17,796 He didn't think it would hurt his chances for re-election anyways. 1098 01:19:17,963 --> 01:19:19,381 And I wake up every morning. 1099 01:19:19,547 --> 01:19:22,550 I wake up every morning in this killing machine called America, 1100 01:19:22,717 --> 01:19:25,095 and I'm carrying this rage like a blood-filled egg. 1101 01:19:25,262 --> 01:19:26,596 And there's a thin line, 1102 01:19:26,763 --> 01:19:29,099 a thin line between the inside and the outside, 1103 01:19:29,266 --> 01:19:31,643 a thin line between thought and action. 1104 01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:34,896 And that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone. 1105 01:19:35,480 --> 01:19:37,983 I've been looking all my life at the signs around us, 1106 01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:39,859 in the media, or on people's lips, 1107 01:19:40,026 --> 01:19:42,737 the religious types outside St. Patrick's Cathedral 1108 01:19:42,904 --> 01:19:44,948 shouting to the men and women in the gay parade: 1109 01:19:45,115 --> 01:19:48,535 "You won't be here next year! You'll get AIDS and die! Ha, ha!" 1110 01:19:54,791 --> 01:19:59,170 Nan Goldin curated this show with the idea 1111 01:19:59,337 --> 01:20:03,425 of choosing the work of people that she knew 1112 01:20:03,591 --> 01:20:06,803 who were affected by AIDS, who were living with AIDS. 1113 01:20:09,222 --> 01:20:12,726 She wanted to dispel the notion of the AIDS victim. 1114 01:20:14,519 --> 01:20:17,188 I'm hardly a victim if I can resist. 1115 01:20:17,355 --> 01:20:21,318 What I see is institutionalized ignorance about this epidemic. 1116 01:20:24,529 --> 01:20:28,074 She also wanted to deal with issues of sexuality 1117 01:20:28,241 --> 01:20:30,410 in the midst of this epidemic. 1118 01:20:33,330 --> 01:20:36,750 That there was sexuality, there was safe sexuality, 1119 01:20:36,916 --> 01:20:40,628 and that this was going to continue to occur 1120 01:20:40,795 --> 01:20:45,050 despite the silencing of that information by a church or government. 1121 01:20:48,345 --> 01:20:50,722 [Nan] There's really important work in the show. 1122 01:20:52,766 --> 01:20:55,518 Like David's. Like Peter Hujar's. 1123 01:20:58,521 --> 01:21:00,357 Philip-Lorca diCorcia. 1124 01:21:01,733 --> 01:21:03,276 Mark Morrisroe. 1125 01:21:04,444 --> 01:21:06,029 Greer Lankton. 1126 01:21:07,364 --> 01:21:08,740 Darrel Ellis. 1127 01:21:09,532 --> 01:21:13,078 People both really well-known and people unknown. 1128 01:21:15,914 --> 01:21:19,334 It was about the loss of a community 1129 01:21:20,627 --> 01:21:24,172 and trying to keep people's legacy alive. 1130 01:21:30,136 --> 01:21:33,139 I called David and asked him to write for my catalog. 1131 01:21:34,808 --> 01:21:39,396 I sent him pictures of some of the work that was in it, 1132 01:21:39,562 --> 01:21:42,482 and I said, "You can write whatever you want. 1133 01:21:42,649 --> 01:21:44,234 I'll support whatever you write." 1134 01:21:44,901 --> 01:21:47,237 I was asked to write a catalog essay 1135 01:21:48,279 --> 01:21:52,450 pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS and a community of people. 1136 01:21:52,617 --> 01:21:55,286 So I started talking about what I was experiencing 1137 01:21:55,453 --> 01:21:59,499 right there in my life and dealing with image and representation 1138 01:21:59,666 --> 01:22:05,588 and everything seen through the framework of having a taboo disease in this society. 1139 01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,343 [Nan] I love that this tiny little skinny catalog 1140 01:22:10,510 --> 01:22:14,180 with thumbnail reproductions in black and white 1141 01:22:14,347 --> 01:22:17,892 could cause a major political shake-up. 1142 01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:22,814 [reporter 1] At the Artists Space Gallery in Tribeca, 1143 01:22:22,981 --> 01:22:25,608 preparations are still underway for next week's exhibit, 1144 01:22:25,775 --> 01:22:29,154 but the National Endowment of the Arts has canceled its grant. 1145 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:32,115 [reporter 2] The National Endowment for the Arts refuses to sponsor 1146 01:22:32,282 --> 01:22:33,783 an art show here in New York City 1147 01:22:33,950 --> 01:22:36,369 because it deals with AIDS and homosexuality 1148 01:22:36,536 --> 01:22:38,955 and also offends some political sensibilities. 1149 01:22:39,122 --> 01:22:41,624 One thing I want to point out is that it's artist-organized. 1150 01:22:41,791 --> 01:22:44,752 It's organized by a photographer named Nan Goldin... 1151 01:22:44,919 --> 01:22:49,257 [Nan] Susan Wyatt, the director, got nervous about David's writing, 1152 01:22:49,424 --> 01:22:51,759 and so she took it to the NEA. 1153 01:22:52,677 --> 01:22:56,306 [reporter 3] The catalog reportedly criticizes Senator Jesse Helms 1154 01:22:56,473 --> 01:22:59,058 for his position on homosexuality and art, 1155 01:22:59,225 --> 01:23:04,314 and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor "a fat cannibal in a black skirt." 1156 01:23:06,191 --> 01:23:08,318 [man] You think the phone is gonna ring again? 1157 01:23:08,485 --> 01:23:09,235 Any minute. 1158 01:23:09,402 --> 01:23:12,822 - What do you think it's gonna be? - It's probably Cardinal O'Connor 1159 01:23:12,989 --> 01:23:17,118 expressing his direct support of my statements 1160 01:23:17,285 --> 01:23:21,664 and admitting that since he does feast on the body of Christ 1161 01:23:21,831 --> 01:23:22,999 that he is a cannibal. 1162 01:23:23,500 --> 01:23:26,961 And that, yes, he does have a penchant for black skirts. 1163 01:23:27,128 --> 01:23:31,216 He is fat, translucent, and immoral. 1164 01:23:36,513 --> 01:23:40,934 [Nan] After the news first broke, David called, really upset, 1165 01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:45,230 and told me that they were trying to make him take out 1166 01:23:45,396 --> 01:23:47,982 "fat fucking cannibal in black skirts." 1167 01:23:50,235 --> 01:23:52,362 I think it's very dangerous and very scary. 1168 01:23:52,529 --> 01:23:56,491 I see an outbreak of McCarthyism and a blacklisting of artists 1169 01:23:56,658 --> 01:23:58,952 if this is continued to allow to happen. 1170 01:24:01,704 --> 01:24:06,167 {\an8}What happened is that the artistic focus of the show really was lost, 1171 01:24:06,334 --> 01:24:11,005 {\an8}and what turned out to be the show in its present form 1172 01:24:11,172 --> 01:24:14,259 {\an8}was not, and is not, sound artistically. 1173 01:24:15,677 --> 01:24:18,513 {\an8}[reporter] Composer Leonard Bernstein managed to become embroiled 1174 01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:19,472 in the controversy. 1175 01:24:19,639 --> 01:24:22,559 This after declining the National Medal of Arts 1176 01:24:22,725 --> 01:24:25,603 because of the NEA action taking away the grant. 1177 01:24:26,854 --> 01:24:30,817 And the thing that makes me laugh is, if at this point in time, 1178 01:24:30,984 --> 01:24:35,280 images and words that can be made by an individual have such power 1179 01:24:35,446 --> 01:24:40,034 to create this storm of controversy, isn't that great? 1180 01:24:40,201 --> 01:24:43,538 It means that the control of information has a crack in its wall. 1181 01:24:44,956 --> 01:24:46,457 [phone rings] 1182 01:24:48,876 --> 01:24:50,962 Hello. Yeah. 1183 01:24:52,255 --> 01:24:53,255 Hi. 1184 01:24:55,341 --> 01:24:56,843 Well, it's just been a zoo. 1185 01:24:57,010 --> 01:25:00,221 [reporter on TV] Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up an art catalog... 1186 01:25:00,388 --> 01:25:03,516 [Wojnarowicz] How can they ignore the political aspect of AIDS? 1187 01:25:03,683 --> 01:25:06,185 Is the fact that I may be dying of AIDS in 1989, 1188 01:25:06,352 --> 01:25:07,604 is that not political? 1189 01:25:07,770 --> 01:25:09,647 Is the fact that I don't have health insurance 1190 01:25:09,814 --> 01:25:11,858 and I don't have access to adequate health care, 1191 01:25:12,025 --> 01:25:13,526 is that not political? 1192 01:25:19,782 --> 01:25:21,909 ♪♪ [ambient] 1193 01:25:27,332 --> 01:25:30,335 [Nan] Vittorio was given three months to live, 1194 01:25:30,501 --> 01:25:32,879 and he started drawing cartoons. 1195 01:25:40,970 --> 01:25:43,848 He was still alive a year and a half later. 1196 01:25:47,018 --> 01:25:49,979 That's the wake of Vittorio. 1197 01:25:57,278 --> 01:25:59,364 Cookie had already lost her voice. 1198 01:26:00,573 --> 01:26:02,116 But she was constantly writing 1199 01:26:02,992 --> 01:26:05,787 so people could see what she needed and wanted. 1200 01:26:07,830 --> 01:26:11,042 Then Sharon came back to take care of Cookie. 1201 01:26:15,546 --> 01:26:18,841 The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie... 1202 01:26:19,008 --> 01:26:21,302 To me, this is the meaning of love. 1203 01:26:27,767 --> 01:26:29,477 I was raging. 1204 01:26:29,644 --> 01:26:31,854 "Call this doctor. Call that doctor. 1205 01:26:32,021 --> 01:26:34,399 Someone's gonna be able to help her. 1206 01:26:34,565 --> 01:26:38,403 There's gotta be something. There's a treatment out there somewhere." 1207 01:26:38,569 --> 01:26:41,114 And then to realize there was no doctor to call. 1208 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,491 It was just... I didn't get it. 1209 01:26:45,535 --> 01:26:47,203 ♪♪ [ambient] 1210 01:27:01,259 --> 01:27:04,470 We had Cookie's memorial at St. Mark's Church, 1211 01:27:04,637 --> 01:27:07,223 and the next day, Witnesses opened. 1212 01:27:10,476 --> 01:27:12,645 [Wojnarowicz] My name is David Wojnarowicz, 1213 01:27:12,812 --> 01:27:14,939 and I'd like to read this in memory of Peter Hujar, 1214 01:27:15,106 --> 01:27:17,442 {\an8}Keith Davis, Bebe Smith, 1215 01:27:17,608 --> 01:27:19,360 {\an8}Cookie Mueller, Vittorio. 1216 01:27:20,820 --> 01:27:24,031 {\an8}One of the first steps in making the private grief public 1217 01:27:24,198 --> 01:27:26,325 {\an8}is the ritual of memorials, 1218 01:27:26,492 --> 01:27:29,579 {\an8}and I've attended a number of memorials in the last five years, 1219 01:27:29,746 --> 01:27:32,623 {\an8}and at the last one I attended, I suddenly found myself experiencing 1220 01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:34,667 something akin to rage. 1221 01:27:34,834 --> 01:27:36,210 And what made me angry, 1222 01:27:36,377 --> 01:27:38,463 what made me angry was realizing that the memorial 1223 01:27:38,629 --> 01:27:41,174 had little reverberation outside the room it was held in, 1224 01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:43,009 and at the same time, worry that friends 1225 01:27:43,176 --> 01:27:45,052 will solely become professional pallbearers, 1226 01:27:45,219 --> 01:27:48,014 waiting for each death of their lovers, friends, and neighbors, 1227 01:27:48,181 --> 01:27:50,141 and polishing their funereal speeches. 1228 01:27:50,308 --> 01:27:51,934 Perfecting their rituals of death 1229 01:27:52,101 --> 01:27:54,562 rather than a relatively simple ritual of life, 1230 01:27:54,729 --> 01:27:56,731 such as screaming in the streets. 1231 01:27:58,065 --> 01:28:02,153 {\an8}[activists] Not the church! Not the state! We decide what art is great! 1232 01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,322 {\an8}[chanting continues] 1233 01:28:08,284 --> 01:28:10,286 {\an8}Step on the sidewalk, can't stay in the street. 1234 01:28:10,453 --> 01:28:12,288 {\an8}[Wojnarowicz] I imagine what it would be like 1235 01:28:12,455 --> 01:28:14,957 {\an8}if friends had a demonstration each time a lover or a friend 1236 01:28:15,124 --> 01:28:16,375 {\an8}or a stranger died of AIDS. 1237 01:28:16,542 --> 01:28:18,044 And I imagine what it would be like, 1238 01:28:18,211 --> 01:28:20,797 each time a lover, friend, or stranger died of AIDS, 1239 01:28:20,963 --> 01:28:22,006 or of this disease. 1240 01:28:22,173 --> 01:28:24,759 Their friends, lovers, or neighbors would take their dead body 1241 01:28:24,926 --> 01:28:28,429 and drive with it in a car 100 miles an hour to Washington, D. C. 1242 01:28:28,596 --> 01:28:30,556 and blast through the gates of the White House 1243 01:28:30,723 --> 01:28:32,809 and come to a screeching halt before the entrance, 1244 01:28:32,975 --> 01:28:35,978 and then dump their lifeless forms on the front steps. 1245 01:28:37,271 --> 01:28:39,941 But bottom line, even a tiny charcoal scratch 1246 01:28:40,107 --> 01:28:42,235 done as a gesture to mark a person's response 1247 01:28:42,401 --> 01:28:46,697 to this epidemic means whole worlds to me if it's hung in public. 1248 01:28:46,864 --> 01:28:48,074 And bottom line, 1249 01:28:48,241 --> 01:28:51,077 we have to find our own forms of gesture and communication. 1250 01:28:51,244 --> 01:28:54,288 You can never depend on the mass media to reflect us 1251 01:28:54,455 --> 01:28:57,083 or our needs or our states of mind. 1252 01:28:57,625 --> 01:28:59,585 [chanting indistinctly] 1253 01:28:59,752 --> 01:29:03,965 NEA, stop your tricks! Art is sex and politics! 1254 01:29:06,634 --> 01:29:10,847 [Nan] Mark Morrisroe died soon after it opened. 1255 01:29:12,765 --> 01:29:14,517 ♪♪ [ambient] 1256 01:29:15,935 --> 01:29:19,146 David Wojnarowicz died in 1992. 1257 01:29:23,609 --> 01:29:27,071 People don't really understand the anger and frustration 1258 01:29:27,238 --> 01:29:29,448 and pain of those years. 1259 01:29:33,995 --> 01:29:37,081 They don't understand what we went through. 1260 01:29:43,004 --> 01:29:44,714 It's still killing people. 1261 01:29:46,424 --> 01:29:48,050 It never went away. 1262 01:29:52,430 --> 01:29:55,766 David Armstrong died in 2014. 1263 01:29:59,854 --> 01:30:03,441 You know, we spent a lot of a life together. 1264 01:30:07,904 --> 01:30:10,406 Decades of friendship. 1265 01:30:31,761 --> 01:30:35,556 [in French] Sacklers, we're dying! And the Louvre covers it up! 1266 01:30:35,723 --> 01:30:39,393 Sacklers, we're dying! And the Louvre covers it up! 1267 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,437 [chanting continues] 1268 01:30:50,237 --> 01:30:54,408 Many people have started to refuse donations from the Sacklers, 1269 01:30:54,575 --> 01:30:58,788 including the Guggenheim Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate, 1270 01:30:58,955 --> 01:31:00,581 and the National Portrait Gallery, 1271 01:31:00,748 --> 01:31:03,834 as well as medical institutions worldwide. 1272 01:31:04,001 --> 01:31:08,589 We need to demand that the Louvre stand by and hear us, 1273 01:31:08,756 --> 01:31:10,716 and be the first to take down their name. 1274 01:31:14,929 --> 01:31:16,847 [snare drum playing] 1275 01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,559 [Poitras] Can I ask you a question? 1276 01:32:02,226 --> 01:32:03,226 [Nan] What? 1277 01:32:03,769 --> 01:32:05,688 When you overdosed, were you alone? 1278 01:32:06,605 --> 01:32:07,690 [Nan] Yeah. 1279 01:32:09,525 --> 01:32:10,568 Totally. 1280 01:32:15,072 --> 01:32:18,993 I thought it was dope, so I snorted it and it was fentanyl. 1281 01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:26,292 A lot of people want fentanyl, but I was not prepared for fentanyl. 1282 01:32:26,459 --> 01:32:30,463 And I just went out like that. 1283 01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:31,629 I just went out. 1284 01:32:33,716 --> 01:32:37,219 And then I came back, and then I went out again. 1285 01:32:39,096 --> 01:32:41,599 Nobody brought me back. I just came back. 1286 01:32:42,933 --> 01:32:46,562 I'm so lucky that I came back by myself. 1287 01:32:52,902 --> 01:32:58,240 I mean, all the judgment of people who are addicted to drugs 1288 01:32:58,407 --> 01:33:01,535 are stigmatized without understanding what the experience 1289 01:33:01,702 --> 01:33:04,288 of not having these drugs is. 1290 01:33:08,125 --> 01:33:10,544 To have to go through withdrawal... 1291 01:33:12,004 --> 01:33:15,049 Your brain is stripped of its opioid receptors, 1292 01:33:15,216 --> 01:33:19,178 so you have no protection from any kind of pain. 1293 01:33:21,514 --> 01:33:23,557 It's not just the physical part. 1294 01:33:24,725 --> 01:33:25,726 It's like... 1295 01:33:26,811 --> 01:33:28,229 the darkest... 1296 01:33:29,814 --> 01:33:31,107 you can go. 1297 01:33:31,273 --> 01:33:33,192 It's a darkness of the soul. 1298 01:33:36,237 --> 01:33:37,822 It's unbearable. 1299 01:33:44,411 --> 01:33:46,705 ♪♪ [ambient strings] 1300 01:33:56,173 --> 01:33:57,883 [dial tone over phone] 1301 01:33:59,051 --> 01:34:03,139 [man 1 over phone] Okay, I am here. You can come by whenever you want. 1302 01:34:03,764 --> 01:34:04,974 - [woman] Hello? - [man 1] Hi. 1303 01:34:05,141 --> 01:34:08,310 - [woman] What did you say? - I'm here at the restaurant. 1304 01:34:08,477 --> 01:34:10,020 You can come here whenever you want. 1305 01:34:10,187 --> 01:34:13,149 - Great. How many did you get? - All that you wanted. 1306 01:34:13,315 --> 01:34:14,315 [phone disconnects] 1307 01:34:27,163 --> 01:34:28,497 [dial tone] 1308 01:34:29,540 --> 01:34:30,791 - [woman] Yeah? - [man 2] Hi. 1309 01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:33,335 - [woman] Who is it? - You still in the bed? 1310 01:34:33,502 --> 01:34:35,671 [woman] Oh, no, I never went to sleep. 1311 01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:39,967 You know what really hit me as peculiar? 1312 01:34:40,843 --> 01:34:43,095 And I've been thinking about it all morning. 1313 01:34:44,138 --> 01:34:47,308 Misery does not love company. Misery loves attention... 1314 01:34:47,474 --> 01:34:49,602 - [woman laughs] - in this case. 1315 01:34:50,853 --> 01:34:53,480 ♪♪ [ambient strings] 1316 01:35:18,756 --> 01:35:20,341 [chattering] 1317 01:35:33,395 --> 01:35:35,814 [Nan] The supply has become very dirty. 1318 01:35:36,398 --> 01:35:37,816 Basically lethal. 1319 01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:42,863 Okay, here we go. 1320 01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:45,032 Fentanyl is in everything now. 1321 01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:48,077 And this is fentanyl here? 1322 01:35:48,244 --> 01:35:50,246 [woman] So fentanyl has, like, one big peak. 1323 01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:52,331 Coke has two peaks right here. 1324 01:35:52,498 --> 01:35:54,375 And they're at slightly different numbers. 1325 01:35:54,541 --> 01:35:58,545 - [Nan] Okay. - Here you can see this deviates. 1326 01:36:07,012 --> 01:36:09,640 [Nan] You want to show them the bloody ones you did? 1327 01:36:10,766 --> 01:36:14,270 No, but it's good, 'cause then it will be obvious it's not real. 1328 01:36:19,817 --> 01:36:22,611 - [woman] What is our messaging? - [Cullen] Our messaging is: 1329 01:36:22,778 --> 01:36:25,531 "Purdue is bankrupt, but the Sacklers aren't. 1330 01:36:25,698 --> 01:36:28,826 "Their personal wealth has all been made from OxyContin 1331 01:36:28,993 --> 01:36:31,287 and it needs to be taken from them." 1332 01:36:31,453 --> 01:36:35,624 [Nan] I think the messaging is the Sacklers are getting away with murder. 1333 01:36:35,791 --> 01:36:38,836 We want their money and where we want to spend it. 1334 01:36:40,504 --> 01:36:44,091 [Keefe] The company ends up declaring bankruptcy. 1335 01:36:44,258 --> 01:36:48,137 That's this kind of amazing escape hatch, because... 1336 01:36:49,471 --> 01:36:52,391 what happens is that Purdue, the company, says, 1337 01:36:52,558 --> 01:36:54,476 "Listen, we realize there's all these lawsuits, 1338 01:36:54,643 --> 01:36:59,606 but we don't have the resources to fight or settle them all, 1339 01:36:59,773 --> 01:37:01,608 and so instead we're gonna declare bankruptcy 1340 01:37:01,775 --> 01:37:03,652 because our coffers are almost empty." 1341 01:37:04,361 --> 01:37:07,323 But the reason that the coffers are almost empty, we now know, 1342 01:37:07,489 --> 01:37:08,657 is that behind the scenes 1343 01:37:08,824 --> 01:37:11,660 for a decade leading up to this bankruptcy plea, 1344 01:37:12,328 --> 01:37:16,206 the Sacklers have been quietly siphoning money out of the company. 1345 01:37:16,373 --> 01:37:19,960 So they took more than $10 billion out of the company 1346 01:37:20,127 --> 01:37:22,838 before it declares bankruptcy. 1347 01:37:23,005 --> 01:37:25,382 - Whose money? - Our money! 1348 01:37:25,549 --> 01:37:28,135 - Whose blood? - Our blood! 1349 01:37:28,302 --> 01:37:30,137 [chanting continues] 1350 01:37:31,930 --> 01:37:33,390 ♪♪ [ambient strings] 1351 01:37:40,147 --> 01:37:42,274 [man] You think they could get away with this? 1352 01:37:42,441 --> 01:37:45,027 Of course. Yes. 1353 01:37:45,194 --> 01:37:47,613 I never expected that they'd be held accountable. 1354 01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:50,199 I don't think that much money can be taken away 1355 01:37:50,366 --> 01:37:51,867 from a billionaire family. 1356 01:37:57,247 --> 01:38:00,292 The fact that a bankruptcy court is deciding a public... 1357 01:38:00,459 --> 01:38:03,545 Like, a public crisis issue, is crazy. 1358 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,090 That's the problem. 1359 01:38:06,256 --> 01:38:08,759 So I've been involved since the beginning, basically. 1360 01:38:08,926 --> 01:38:10,844 At some point, a light bulb went on and I said: 1361 01:38:11,011 --> 01:38:13,222 {\an8}"Let's bring the activism into the courtroom," 1362 01:38:13,389 --> 01:38:18,018 {\an8}and ever since then, we've been fighting in the court. 1363 01:38:18,185 --> 01:38:20,813 {\an8}And we weren't exactly welcome the first time. 1364 01:38:22,398 --> 01:38:27,986 {\an8}You know, we're like little assassins, we go in... and get out. 1365 01:38:28,737 --> 01:38:33,283 {\an8}I told the lawyer for Purdue that I'm doing it pro-bono. 1366 01:38:33,450 --> 01:38:34,993 {\an8}He was like, "What?" 1367 01:38:39,164 --> 01:38:41,166 {\an8}He was like, "What? Wait, what?" 1368 01:38:41,792 --> 01:38:44,545 You know, because they spent $30 million a month 1369 01:38:44,711 --> 01:38:47,464 on legal fees and professional fees in this case. 1370 01:38:49,591 --> 01:38:53,971 There's like 80-something attorneys and people on this call. 1371 01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:55,931 That's a lot. 1372 01:38:56,932 --> 01:38:59,560 {\an8}[man over speaker] Good morning, this is Judge Drain. 1373 01:38:59,726 --> 01:39:02,771 {\an8}This is a completely telephonic hearing. 1374 01:39:03,856 --> 01:39:08,569 {\an8}We're here today in re: Purdue Pharma L.P. 1375 01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:12,197 {\an8}Your Honor, we think there's a huge mistake here. 1376 01:39:12,364 --> 01:39:15,742 {\an8}We think the process that the DOJ went through was wrong. 1377 01:39:15,909 --> 01:39:19,913 {\an8}We think that the results, which are completely vague and baffling 1378 01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,874 to me and my clients, is wrong. 1379 01:39:22,916 --> 01:39:26,295 The DOJ neither invited input from Purdue's victims, 1380 01:39:26,462 --> 01:39:30,299 nor the public, nor apparently any members of the House and Senate. 1381 01:39:30,466 --> 01:39:32,759 The negotiation between these two parties, 1382 01:39:32,926 --> 01:39:35,971 the DOJ and Purdue/The Sacklers alone, 1383 01:39:36,138 --> 01:39:39,600 is not sufficient to make this kind of policy decision. 1384 01:39:39,766 --> 01:39:42,394 My clients are like the Ghost of Christmas Past, 1385 01:39:42,561 --> 01:39:46,815 they're here to tell you in 2007, they saw there was a problem, 1386 01:39:46,982 --> 01:39:48,275 the problem got worse, 1387 01:39:48,442 --> 01:39:51,487 and this is our moment, their moment, to tell you 1388 01:39:51,653 --> 01:39:55,115 we gotta make sure that the future is safer. 1389 01:39:55,949 --> 01:39:57,159 {\an8}[judge] Okay, well... 1390 01:39:58,035 --> 01:39:59,703 {\an8}All right, thank you. 1391 01:40:00,496 --> 01:40:02,039 {\an8}[Huebner] Good morning, Your Honor, 1392 01:40:02,206 --> 01:40:04,708 {\an8}and good morning to everyone who is on the line. 1393 01:40:04,875 --> 01:40:07,169 {\an8}Your Honor, Mr. Quinn many times used the phrase 1394 01:40:07,336 --> 01:40:09,004 {\an8}"Purdue/The Sacklers." 1395 01:40:09,171 --> 01:40:13,383 {\an8}The kind of suggestion that Purdue and the Sacklers are in this together 1396 01:40:13,550 --> 01:40:15,260 {\an8}is really not helpful. 1397 01:40:15,427 --> 01:40:17,095 {\an8}And it's just... It's not fair. 1398 01:40:21,475 --> 01:40:23,477 [Nan] This is so depressing. 1399 01:40:23,644 --> 01:40:24,895 Thank you so much, Mike. 1400 01:40:25,062 --> 01:40:27,564 Thank you so much for going out there and battling. 1401 01:40:28,273 --> 01:40:32,319 I feel proud to be doing it, and, whatever. We're in it. 1402 01:40:32,486 --> 01:40:35,614 The fact that our group is in the bankruptcy, 1403 01:40:35,781 --> 01:40:37,074 at the front of the bankruptcy, 1404 01:40:37,241 --> 01:40:39,576 fighting every single thing tooth and nail is amazing. 1405 01:40:39,743 --> 01:40:43,205 - Yeah, it's pretty funny. - It's fucking crazy. 1406 01:40:43,372 --> 01:40:46,124 - Is there any chance of criminal charges? - No. 1407 01:40:46,667 --> 01:40:48,001 The way the plan's structured, 1408 01:40:48,168 --> 01:40:52,422 if the DOJ filed criminal charges against the Sacklers now, 1409 01:40:52,589 --> 01:40:54,591 it would blow up the whole bankruptcy. 1410 01:40:55,133 --> 01:40:58,262 So effectively, they just dodged criminal liability. 1411 01:41:16,196 --> 01:41:18,907 We followed these people into bankruptcy court 1412 01:41:19,074 --> 01:41:23,579 and we're watching them completely manipulate the justice system. 1413 01:41:23,745 --> 01:41:26,999 There's no justice for us, only for billionaires. 1414 01:41:27,165 --> 01:41:30,502 So all we can hope is that the money in the settlement 1415 01:41:30,669 --> 01:41:34,631 that goes to the states goes to the right places, 1416 01:41:34,798 --> 01:41:37,634 that it goes to harm reduction and not policing. 1417 01:41:37,801 --> 01:41:39,303 [cheering and applause] 1418 01:41:40,262 --> 01:41:43,640 That it goes to groups like you that are saving lives. 1419 01:41:50,606 --> 01:41:53,150 [judge over speaker] This is a proceeding in federal court. 1420 01:41:53,317 --> 01:41:54,985 It is being held remotely, 1421 01:41:55,861 --> 01:41:59,448 but the rules and decorum of a federal court apply. 1422 01:42:06,288 --> 01:42:07,623 So let me confirm. 1423 01:42:07,789 --> 01:42:14,004 I see David Sackler on the screen, and I see Theresa Sackler. 1424 01:42:15,505 --> 01:42:18,925 Richard Sackler is on the phone 1425 01:42:19,092 --> 01:42:22,054 and will stay on the phone throughout this proceeding. 1426 01:42:22,220 --> 01:42:24,806 Dr. Sackler, can you confirm that for me? 1427 01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:30,896 [Richard Sackler] Yes, Your Honor, I am here on the phone and I'm listening. 1428 01:42:31,688 --> 01:42:35,817 [Price] Before we start, there's one clarification I wanted to make. 1429 01:42:35,984 --> 01:42:39,237 I believe Richard said that he is listening. 1430 01:42:39,404 --> 01:42:42,574 I believe he's also supposed to say that he is watching. 1431 01:42:42,741 --> 01:42:45,327 He's supposed to be watching the video but not seen. 1432 01:42:45,494 --> 01:42:46,703 Can he confirm that? 1433 01:42:48,538 --> 01:42:51,166 [Richard Sackler] I can confirm that I saw... 1434 01:42:51,333 --> 01:42:52,584 I'm seeing everything. 1435 01:42:53,293 --> 01:42:55,504 [judge] Okay, and that's important. 1436 01:42:55,671 --> 01:42:57,756 And thank you for raising that, Mr. Price. 1437 01:42:57,923 --> 01:43:00,801 All right, the first person who will speak today 1438 01:43:00,967 --> 01:43:02,344 is Tiffinee Scott. 1439 01:43:05,389 --> 01:43:06,389 Richard. 1440 01:43:07,349 --> 01:43:08,349 David. 1441 01:43:09,351 --> 01:43:10,394 Theresa. 1442 01:43:11,061 --> 01:43:12,229 We have never met, 1443 01:43:12,396 --> 01:43:15,607 but I feel like I already have a relationship with you 1444 01:43:15,774 --> 01:43:17,192 due to OxyContin. 1445 01:43:18,318 --> 01:43:21,613 Have you ever provided Narcan to one of your children? 1446 01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:24,574 Have you revived one of your children from an overdose? 1447 01:43:24,741 --> 01:43:25,741 I have. 1448 01:43:25,826 --> 01:43:28,328 There are no words to describe my pain. 1449 01:43:28,495 --> 01:43:32,582 In May of 2020, she was found unresponsive, 1450 01:43:32,749 --> 01:43:36,378 lifeless in bed by me, her mother. 1451 01:43:36,545 --> 01:43:39,965 The deceit and horror you all caused, shame on you. 1452 01:43:40,757 --> 01:43:44,094 I remember the day Trent told me he was addicted to OxyContin. 1453 01:43:44,261 --> 01:43:47,013 He called me from the campus of the University of Alabama. 1454 01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:49,808 I could tell in his voice, there was great fear. 1455 01:43:49,975 --> 01:43:52,310 I drove the three hours, he met me in tears, 1456 01:43:52,477 --> 01:43:53,812 we wept together. 1457 01:43:53,979 --> 01:43:58,024 "Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy. Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die." 1458 01:43:58,191 --> 01:44:00,152 - And he did. - This is so hard. 1459 01:44:00,318 --> 01:44:02,404 [man] I encountered opioids for the first time 1460 01:44:02,571 --> 01:44:04,614 shortly after you launched OxyContin. 1461 01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:09,911 And I am one of the living survivors of your monumental greed. 1462 01:44:10,203 --> 01:44:12,122 I hope that every face, 1463 01:44:12,289 --> 01:44:17,085 every single victim's face haunts your every waking moment... 1464 01:44:17,252 --> 01:44:18,086 It won't. 1465 01:44:18,253 --> 01:44:20,005 and your sleeping ones too. 1466 01:44:20,172 --> 01:44:21,256 [judge] Thank you. 1467 01:44:21,423 --> 01:44:23,800 The next person to speak is Nan Goldin. 1468 01:44:24,926 --> 01:44:28,138 It's nice to finally see the Sacklers face-to-face. 1469 01:44:28,847 --> 01:44:33,810 The Sacklers' so-called apology, which was mandated by this settlement, 1470 01:44:33,977 --> 01:44:37,689 is insulting to all of us who have been damaged by them. 1471 01:44:37,856 --> 01:44:43,737 One family is largely responsible for the onset of this crisis 1472 01:44:43,904 --> 01:44:48,074 that has led to the deaths of over half a million Americans 1473 01:44:48,241 --> 01:44:52,537 and caused irreparable damage for generations to come. 1474 01:44:53,079 --> 01:44:58,001 Yet their settlement grants them immunity, not just for themselves, 1475 01:44:58,168 --> 01:45:01,213 but for generations of Sacklers to come. 1476 01:45:01,379 --> 01:45:04,800 Purdue has been found guilty of federal crimes, 1477 01:45:04,966 --> 01:45:08,136 but its private owners have never been prosecuted. 1478 01:45:08,303 --> 01:45:12,599 We hope the Justice Department will pursue criminal charges. 1479 01:45:12,766 --> 01:45:13,767 Thank you. 1480 01:45:15,310 --> 01:45:16,978 [judge] Okay, thank you. 1481 01:45:19,815 --> 01:45:22,067 {\an8}[woman screaming on recording] 1482 01:45:25,987 --> 01:45:28,448 {\an8}[dispatcher] They're on the way, they've been dispatched. 1483 01:45:28,615 --> 01:45:29,741 {\an8}Has he taken anything? 1484 01:45:29,908 --> 01:45:31,701 {\an8}[man] I just don't know. He has in the past. 1485 01:45:31,868 --> 01:45:34,120 {\an8}[woman screaming and shouting] 1486 01:45:35,872 --> 01:45:37,249 {\an8}[Kapler] Oh, my God. 1487 01:45:37,415 --> 01:45:38,959 {\an8}[man speaking indistinctly] 1488 01:45:41,002 --> 01:45:43,338 - [dispatcher] You said he's 20 years old? - [man] Yes. 1489 01:45:43,505 --> 01:45:45,507 - [dispatcher] What's his name? - Pardon me? 1490 01:45:45,674 --> 01:45:47,801 - What's his name? - Bryan... [indistinct] 1491 01:45:48,635 --> 01:45:51,304 - [dispatcher] We're on the way, okay? - [man] Thank you, sir. 1492 01:45:53,306 --> 01:45:55,684 4,804 days. 1493 01:45:56,309 --> 01:45:58,436 Richard, if you're still listening, 1494 01:45:58,603 --> 01:46:02,065 that's how many days since I made that horrifying call. 1495 01:46:02,816 --> 01:46:07,487 I have lived with the pain and heartache as a result of the loss of my only child, 1496 01:46:07,654 --> 01:46:10,407 a pain you will never understand. 1497 01:46:10,574 --> 01:46:14,202 I can only echo the pain and suffering 1498 01:46:15,745 --> 01:46:19,666 that Kristy feels and that all of us that are here today feel. 1499 01:46:21,209 --> 01:46:26,256 I want to point out to the Sacklers that by the time this two-hour hearing is over, 1500 01:46:26,423 --> 01:46:30,510 you can add 16 more people to your death list. 1501 01:46:45,650 --> 01:46:48,069 [Nan] I asked my father 1502 01:46:48,987 --> 01:46:51,489 for records from the hospitals she'd been in. 1503 01:46:53,533 --> 01:46:57,412 And he gave them to me without reading them himself. 1504 01:47:03,668 --> 01:47:05,128 So this box came. 1505 01:47:05,962 --> 01:47:10,342 {\an8}"The Box," I think of it as, with the primary documents. 1506 01:47:11,092 --> 01:47:12,594 {\an8}♪♪ [choir] 1507 01:47:15,764 --> 01:47:18,683 {\an8}There was the history of Barbara for me to read, 1508 01:47:18,850 --> 01:47:21,561 {\an8}and I was terrified. 1509 01:47:22,729 --> 01:47:24,981 {\an8}I wanted to know, but I didn't want to know. 1510 01:47:37,369 --> 01:47:40,455 {\an8}I didn't understand that the first place she was sent 1511 01:47:40,622 --> 01:47:42,290 was actually an orphanage. 1512 01:47:46,795 --> 01:47:49,923 And then she burned down the curtains and ran away. 1513 01:47:53,593 --> 01:47:56,846 She's described as a rebellious adolescent. 1514 01:48:07,065 --> 01:48:11,653 {\an8}It says in the interviews that the psychiatrist thought 1515 01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:13,613 {\an8}that Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital, 1516 01:48:13,780 --> 01:48:14,948 {\an8}not Miss Goldin. 1517 01:48:15,532 --> 01:48:18,994 {\an8}And that's actually written in the hospital record. 1518 01:48:25,583 --> 01:48:29,462 {\an8}My mother had been sexually abused for years 1519 01:48:29,629 --> 01:48:30,964 {\an8}by a family member. 1520 01:48:34,050 --> 01:48:38,722 And when my sister hit puberty, my mother couldn't cope with it. 1521 01:48:46,730 --> 01:48:50,900 My sister didn't have any outlet. She didn't have any context. 1522 01:48:51,067 --> 01:48:52,819 It was not mental illness. 1523 01:48:59,951 --> 01:49:03,496 I just knew how hard it was for her to be alive. 1524 01:49:07,083 --> 01:49:09,294 She wanted a home so badly. 1525 01:49:11,296 --> 01:49:15,383 If she had found people, if she'd been loved, 1526 01:49:17,260 --> 01:49:18,928 she would have survived. 1527 01:49:23,266 --> 01:49:25,602 ♪♪ [classical] 1528 01:49:36,446 --> 01:49:38,656 [train horn wailing] 1529 01:49:46,372 --> 01:49:49,250 [Nan] Persons in the area told police they had seen Miss Goldin 1530 01:49:49,417 --> 01:49:50,668 a short time before 1531 01:49:50,835 --> 01:49:53,922 when she asked when the next train was due to pass. 1532 01:49:54,089 --> 01:49:58,718 Shortly before 5:30 p.m., person said Miss Goldin put her pocketbook 1533 01:49:58,885 --> 01:50:03,014 on the ground next to the tracks, then lay down across the tracks 1534 01:50:03,181 --> 01:50:05,850 as the Capitol Limited approached. 1535 01:50:06,017 --> 01:50:08,812 The train's engineer told police they saw her 1536 01:50:08,978 --> 01:50:13,066 and nailed the brakes, but were unable to stop the train. 1537 01:50:13,775 --> 01:50:18,029 Pathological examiner ruled her death as a suicide. 1538 01:50:18,196 --> 01:50:21,491 Other significant conditions contributing to death: 1539 01:50:21,658 --> 01:50:23,409 severe mental depression. 1540 01:50:36,673 --> 01:50:40,135 [Nan] I mean, that's the problem. You grow up being told, 1541 01:50:40,301 --> 01:50:44,472 "That didn't happen. You didn't see that. You didn't hear that." 1542 01:50:45,598 --> 01:50:49,269 And what do you do? How do you believe yourself? 1543 01:50:49,435 --> 01:50:50,562 How do you trust yourself? 1544 01:50:50,728 --> 01:50:52,564 How do you continue to trust yourself? 1545 01:50:53,565 --> 01:50:55,733 And then how do you show the world 1546 01:50:56,734 --> 01:50:59,863 that you did experience that, that you did hear that? 1547 01:51:00,697 --> 01:51:03,616 And so that's the reason I take pictures. 1548 01:51:13,543 --> 01:51:16,713 - Nan, what are you doing? - [Nan] Beautiful, you look beautiful. 1549 01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:19,132 {\an8}- Nan, does that have sound? - Yeah. 1550 01:51:19,299 --> 01:51:20,341 {\an8}Oh, my dear. 1551 01:51:21,092 --> 01:51:22,260 {\an8}Let's go, honey. 1552 01:51:26,890 --> 01:51:30,143 {\an8}My mom's a dance fanatic. 1553 01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:32,270 - [chuckles] - [slow music playing on speaker] 1554 01:51:32,437 --> 01:51:34,898 And she's gonna teach her old husband how to move it. 1555 01:51:36,149 --> 01:51:37,567 I like to do this... 1556 01:51:39,194 --> 01:51:41,529 - Go, Mom! - Go for it. 1557 01:51:48,119 --> 01:51:51,539 [Nan] My father and mother were not equipped to be parents. 1558 01:51:53,917 --> 01:51:57,795 They had children because it was expected, 1559 01:51:57,962 --> 01:52:01,132 more than it was about nurturing other human beings. 1560 01:52:03,509 --> 01:52:04,928 That looks good! 1561 01:52:09,849 --> 01:52:12,977 - Yeah, but hold it up more. - [Mr. Goldin] Is that high enough? 1562 01:52:13,895 --> 01:52:15,897 - [Nan] Yeah, that's beautiful. - You can see it? 1563 01:52:16,064 --> 01:52:19,567 [Mrs. Goldin] Barbara loved Nan very much. They were very, very close. 1564 01:52:23,112 --> 01:52:25,949 When she died, she had in her pocketbook 1565 01:52:26,115 --> 01:52:28,743 a very beautiful, small book of Psalms. 1566 01:52:29,911 --> 01:52:32,914 And she had this wonderful quotation from... 1567 01:52:33,081 --> 01:52:34,207 Conrad. 1568 01:52:34,374 --> 01:52:35,833 The Heart of Darkness. 1569 01:52:36,626 --> 01:52:37,794 Joseph Conrad. 1570 01:52:37,961 --> 01:52:41,798 She was also, like Nan, a very wide reader. 1571 01:52:42,840 --> 01:52:46,219 And I have the quotation upstairs. 1572 01:52:46,386 --> 01:52:49,097 But it had in it something about... 1573 01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:53,600 uh... 1574 01:52:57,021 --> 01:52:58,356 - Can you stop? - Yeah. 1575 01:52:58,523 --> 01:53:00,400 - You should get the quotation. - Stop. 1576 01:53:01,317 --> 01:53:05,113 - [Mrs. Goldin] Something about regrets. - Yeah. Infinite regrets. 1577 01:53:12,161 --> 01:53:13,454 Is it on now? 1578 01:53:14,163 --> 01:53:16,708 Quotation from Heart of Darkness... 1579 01:53:16,874 --> 01:53:19,252 [Nan] And it was just written on a piece of paper? 1580 01:53:20,211 --> 01:53:24,590 "It's a droll thing life is, that mysterious arrangement 1581 01:53:24,757 --> 01:53:28,261 of merciless logic for a futile purpose. 1582 01:53:29,178 --> 01:53:33,433 The most you can hope for is some knowledge of yourself... 1583 01:53:44,068 --> 01:53:45,862 that comes too late. 1584 01:53:47,530 --> 01:53:50,742 A crop of unextinguishable regrets." 1585 01:54:13,306 --> 01:54:15,808 [Nan] I think this story is an important story, 1586 01:54:15,975 --> 01:54:17,268 not just for me, 1587 01:54:18,186 --> 01:54:20,730 but for society. 1588 01:54:23,941 --> 01:54:27,445 About conformity and denial. 1589 01:54:29,447 --> 01:54:31,491 And also about stigma. 1590 01:54:33,451 --> 01:54:38,039 The wrong things are kept secret, and that destroys people. 1591 01:54:41,459 --> 01:54:46,047 My sister was a victim of all that, but she knew how to fight back. 1592 01:54:49,008 --> 01:54:54,013 Her rebellion was the starting point for my own. 1593 01:54:56,474 --> 01:54:58,518 She showed me the way. 1594 01:55:03,147 --> 01:55:05,316 - Let's turn off for a minute. - [Poitras] Yeah. 1595 01:55:15,076 --> 01:55:16,702 ♪♪ [orchestral] 1596 01:55:35,138 --> 01:55:36,180 [Cullen] Oh, wow. 1597 01:55:39,517 --> 01:55:40,726 [chuckles] 1598 01:55:53,281 --> 01:55:54,407 [Nan] Wow. 1599 01:56:03,249 --> 01:56:04,667 We did it, baby. 1600 01:56:10,089 --> 01:56:13,509 Four years of work. Congress didn't do anything. 1601 01:56:13,676 --> 01:56:16,012 Justice Department hasn't done anything. 1602 01:56:16,179 --> 01:56:18,931 Bankruptcy court, you know, completely... 1603 01:56:20,183 --> 01:56:22,018 left them better than ever. 1604 01:56:22,518 --> 01:56:27,023 You know, they're completely vindicated by bankruptcy court. 1605 01:56:27,190 --> 01:56:29,734 And so this is the only place they're being held accountable, 1606 01:56:29,901 --> 01:56:31,194 the only place. 1607 01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,360 And we did it. 1608 01:56:38,784 --> 01:56:39,784 [Kapler] Wow. 1609 01:56:41,871 --> 01:56:43,915 [Keefe] Oh, my goodness. What a feeling. 1610 01:56:45,625 --> 01:56:47,752 - Incredible. - It's amazing. 1611 01:56:49,128 --> 01:56:51,923 [Kapler] The Sacklers are now "private sources." 1612 01:56:52,548 --> 01:56:54,634 Here, stay there. 1613 01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,595 It doesn't say what private sources. 1614 01:56:58,137 --> 01:56:59,472 [both chuckling] 1615 01:57:00,014 --> 01:57:01,140 Beautiful. 1616 01:57:01,682 --> 01:57:03,768 - Oh, man. - It's so good. 1617 01:57:04,477 --> 01:57:05,853 It's hard to believe. 1618 01:57:06,521 --> 01:57:07,897 ♪♪ [orchestral] 1619 01:57:56,696 --> 01:57:58,447 ♪♪ [chorus] 1620 01:59:11,604 --> 01:59:13,606 ♪♪ [rock] 1621 01:59:42,885 --> 01:59:46,722 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1622 01:59:46,889 --> 01:59:50,851 ♪ And set me free ♪ 1623 01:59:51,018 --> 01:59:54,939 ♪ Come fill me up ♪ 1624 01:59:55,106 --> 01:59:59,068 ♪ With ecstasy ♪ 1625 01:59:59,235 --> 02:00:03,197 ♪ Surround my heartbeat With your fingertips ♪ 1626 02:00:03,364 --> 02:00:07,284 ♪ Unbound my feet, untie my wrists ♪ 1627 02:00:07,451 --> 02:00:11,539 ♪ Come into my world of loneliness ♪ 1628 02:00:11,706 --> 02:00:15,501 ♪ And wickedness, and betterness ♪ 1629 02:00:15,668 --> 02:00:19,880 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1630 02:00:48,451 --> 02:00:52,288 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪ 1631 02:00:52,455 --> 02:00:56,250 ♪ Take away the pain ♪ 1632 02:00:56,417 --> 02:01:00,421 ♪ Unbruise, unbloody ♪ 1633 02:01:00,588 --> 02:01:04,592 ♪ Wash away the stain ♪ 1634 02:01:04,759 --> 02:01:08,763 ♪ Anoint my head with your sweet kiss ♪ 1635 02:01:08,929 --> 02:01:12,850 ♪ My joy is dead, I long for bliss ♪ 1636 02:01:13,017 --> 02:01:17,021 ♪ I long for knowledge Whisper in my ear ♪ 1637 02:01:17,188 --> 02:01:21,025 ♪ Undo my logic, undo my fear ♪ 1638 02:01:21,192 --> 02:01:25,029 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪ 127110

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