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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:13,096 VERNON REID It was a time of peace and war, love and hate. 2 00:00:13,138 --> 00:00:16,350 A time of protest and exploration. 3 00:00:16,433 --> 00:00:19,269 No other era speaks to us like the '60s. 4 00:00:19,353 --> 00:00:23,774 And nowhere is its voice heard louder than at The Museum at Bethel Woods. 5 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:26,860 There are no words for the exhibits inside. 6 00:00:26,985 --> 00:00:28,070 It was amazing. 7 00:00:28,153 --> 00:00:30,197 I mean , I call it a time machine, man. 8 00:00:30,322 --> 00:00:33,533 It just brought back all the turmoil that was going on at the time 9 00:00:33,617 --> 00:00:36,328 and the need to just absolutely release it. 10 00:00:37,162 --> 00:00:40,832 H I , I'm Vernon Reid. Welcome to The Museum at Bethel Woods, 11 00:00:40,874 --> 00:00:43,752 where we'll take an unforgettable journey through the tumultuous '60s 12 00:00:43,835 --> 00:00:47,756 and the three-day concert phenomenon that defined a generation , 13 00:00:47,839 --> 00:00:50,008 the Woodstock Music and Art Fair. 14 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,390 How was Woodstock. You want to know how it was? 15 00:00:56,473 --> 00:01:00,519 Go to The Museum at Bethel Woods and you'll be at Woodstock, my friend. 16 00:01:00,852 --> 00:01:04,231 In August 1969, over 00, 000 music lovers 17 00:01:04,314 --> 00:01:06,358 and counter-culture crusaders came here, 18 00:01:06,441 --> 00:01:08,860 to Max Yasgur's Farm in Bethel, New York, 19 00:01:08,902 --> 00:01:12,030 to rock with stars like Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix. 20 00:01:13,031 --> 00:01:15,659 40 years later, thousands of visitors from around the world 21 00:01:15,701 --> 00:01:19,162 come to the same spot to enjoy a state of the art museum 22 00:01:19,246 --> 00:01:23,083 whose artifacts, exhibits and stories give us a firsthand look 23 00:01:23,166 --> 00:01:25,377 inside the Woodstock experience. 24 00:01:25,460 --> 00:01:27,546 They have a piece of the fence still in there 25 00:01:27,629 --> 00:01:31,300 and , you know, a huge bus just staring at you when you walk in, 26 00:01:31,383 --> 00:01:33,427 and it's as good as somebody my age 27 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:36,388 could get to having experienced it and been there. 28 00:01:36,847 --> 00:01:41,018 Ironically, the legendary festival wasn't really held in the town of Woodstock, 29 00:01:41,059 --> 00:01:44,730 but only two hours north from New York City, here in Bethel, New York. 30 00:01:44,771 --> 00:01:48,025 These rolling hills were the actual site of the three-day festival 31 00:01:48,108 --> 00:01:50,694 and now they're home to the museum and concert pavilion, 32 00:01:50,736 --> 00:01:53,155 all part of the Bethel Woods Center for the Arts. 33 00:01:53,196 --> 00:01:55,574 Through personal stories, award winning films, 34 00:01:55,657 --> 00:01:58,160 original artifacts and educational events, 35 00:01:58,201 --> 00:02:01,371 The Museum has everyone, from baby boomers to millennials, 36 00:02:01,496 --> 00:02:04,624 talking about the political and cultural transformation of the '60s 37 00:02:04,750 --> 00:02:08,211 and how the issues of the decade still resonate today. 38 00:02:08,837 --> 00:02:11,131 But as much as the movements and events of the decade 39 00:02:11,214 --> 00:02:13,300 provided a lasting impression, 40 00:02:13,383 --> 00:02:16,595 nothing from the '60s left a deeper imprint than its music. 41 00:02:17,095 --> 00:02:21,600 With films like A Musical Revolution and Woodstock, the Music, 42 00:02:21,683 --> 00:02:25,645 as well as interactive exhibits such as The Music After Woodstock, 43 00:02:25,729 --> 00:02:28,940 The Museum gives a deeper look at the influence of the era's artists 44 00:02:29,066 --> 00:02:31,151 and their songs on our world. 45 00:02:32,069 --> 00:02:33,111 One of my favorites is 46 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:35,781 the breathtaking immersion film , The Festival Experience. 47 00:02:35,906 --> 00:02:39,242 A spectacular 270 degree display of the music, 48 00:02:39,326 --> 00:02:41,286 people, sights and sounds of Woodstock, 49 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:44,581 literally placing the visitor in the middle of all the action. 50 00:02:49,419 --> 00:02:50,879 And even though they came for the concert, 51 00:02:50,962 --> 00:02:53,256 many say that one of their lasting memories from Woodstock 52 00:02:53,382 --> 00:02:54,633 was getting there. 53 00:02:54,716 --> 00:02:58,678 Thousands came by car, but there was nothing like taking the bus. 54 00:02:58,762 --> 00:03:01,014 Loved the bus. Thought the bus was great. 55 00:03:01,056 --> 00:03:05,394 I was here in 1969 and there were buses like that all over the place. 56 00:03:05,435 --> 00:03:07,854 One of the museum's most popular exhibits, 57 00:03:07,938 --> 00:03:10,148 this psychedelic set of wheels is the type of bus 58 00:03:10,232 --> 00:03:12,359 that some concertgoers rode to Woodstock. 59 00:03:12,442 --> 00:03:14,444 There was a carload of people getting ready to go to Woodstock. 60 00:03:14,486 --> 00:03:17,406 They said , "Do you wanna go?" So I jumped in the car and went. 61 00:03:17,447 --> 00:03:19,866 They were coming from all over the country. 62 00:03:19,950 --> 00:03:22,994 I think I probably packed a change of clothes. 63 00:03:23,161 --> 00:03:24,996 Several cases of beer. 64 00:03:25,664 --> 00:03:31,169 Whether it's recalling our own wild rides or reliving the excitement of the '60s, 65 00:03:31,253 --> 00:03:35,340 here at The Museum at Bethel Woods, we can all be a part of the Woodstock legacy. 66 00:03:35,424 --> 00:03:37,843 Look at what we thought we could do. All right? 67 00:03:37,884 --> 00:03:41,054 For that weekend in August of 1969, 68 00:03:41,179 --> 00:03:44,307 we really thought we were gonna all get together and change the world. 69 00:03:44,433 --> 00:03:45,851 And we probably did. 70 00:03:45,892 --> 00:03:48,812 And, I think, for the most part, we did some good things. 71 00:03:48,854 --> 00:03:52,315 We weren't perfect, we didn't give you a perfect new world, 72 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:54,317 but now it's your turn. 73 00:04:26,308 --> 00:04:27,809 MICHAE WADEIGH It was a pretty simple decision. 74 00:04:27,893 --> 00:04:29,144 This was the best there was. 75 00:04:29,227 --> 00:04:31,104 There was no competitor at all. 76 00:04:31,271 --> 00:04:35,400 It had a quick-change lens here, a super ingénue lens. 77 00:04:36,860 --> 00:04:40,405 And of course, I had a favorite, a very short wide-angle lens 78 00:04:40,489 --> 00:04:44,117 that I'd start up here, and in just two or three moves, 79 00:04:44,201 --> 00:04:47,621 in two or three seconds, you could quickly get the zoom off, 80 00:04:47,704 --> 00:04:50,457 rotate the wide angle around and get on and ... 81 00:04:50,540 --> 00:04:51,958 Some people's favorite shots at Woodstock 82 00:04:53,293 --> 00:04:55,504 -were done with that wide-angle lens. -You'd remove the 5. 9. 83 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:58,673 Because you could get right very, very close to the performers, 84 00:04:58,757 --> 00:05:01,510 and it gave you a tremendous sense of depth and being there 85 00:05:01,551 --> 00:05:02,969 right on the stage with them, 86 00:05:03,053 --> 00:05:06,681 and , of course, then you had this magazine back here 87 00:05:06,723 --> 00:05:08,850 that came off in a shot, you know. 88 00:05:08,934 --> 00:05:13,897 Its liability was if you didn't very carefully get the loop right, it could jam. 89 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:17,776 And you couldn't really hear it run out effectively. 90 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:20,862 You lived in fear and dread 91 00:05:20,946 --> 00:05:24,658 that actually you'd put the mag on , threaded it up, 92 00:05:24,741 --> 00:05:28,245 and you were running, but of course, with Hendrix and all those loud acts, 93 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:31,414 you couldn't possibly hear whether in fact you had a jam. 94 00:05:31,873 --> 00:05:35,710 U nfortunately, it was really not well-balanced. 95 00:05:35,752 --> 00:05:39,297 Your shoulder is way back here, so the bulk of the weight was forward. 96 00:05:39,381 --> 00:05:42,634 So I used to be fairly strong. 97 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:47,847 But it taxed you like a mother to really hold it that long. 98 00:05:47,931 --> 00:05:50,517 But you couldn't get the shots with the tripods. 99 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,644 It was absolutely impossible. 100 00:05:52,686 --> 00:05:55,981 It has a footage counter here that never seemed to work, 101 00:05:56,064 --> 00:05:57,899 never seemed to be dependable. 102 00:05:57,983 --> 00:06:02,070 But this idea that you could very quickly take on and off the mag. 103 00:06:02,153 --> 00:06:04,239 And then you see down here at the bottom , 104 00:06:04,281 --> 00:06:07,534 this is where either an AC motor or a DC motor attach. 105 00:06:07,617 --> 00:06:10,120 So it's a beautiful modular unit. 106 00:06:10,161 --> 00:06:13,832 I mean , you can even say today, this is a great, great beautiful design. 107 00:06:14,791 --> 00:06:17,294 Everybody had to use Eclair cameras 108 00:06:17,335 --> 00:06:21,423 so that we had absolutely interchangeable equipment. 109 00:06:21,506 --> 00:06:24,551 Everybody had to have 110-volt motors. 110 00:06:24,634 --> 00:06:28,096 And where do you find , like, a dozen 110-volt motors 111 00:06:28,138 --> 00:06:32,392 in New York City for Éclairs? And you don't. It's almost impossible. 112 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:37,731 We needed 50 different magazines so that we could change film , 113 00:06:37,814 --> 00:06:40,442 raw stock, under the stage. 114 00:06:40,692 --> 00:06:43,695 The reason for the electric motor was, 115 00:06:43,778 --> 00:06:47,032 all the cameras had to run in sync or else it would never be editable. 116 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:50,368 We even looked for, I remember one of the last things on my list 117 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,746 was to try and find an electronic clock, 118 00:06:52,829 --> 00:06:54,581 you know, that spinned it over by seconds. 119 00:06:54,623 --> 00:06:59,544 It would be big. And we could ask every camera guy on stage to, 120 00:06:59,628 --> 00:07:02,422 at the top of his roll , at least, take a shot of that, 121 00:07:02,464 --> 00:07:05,216 so that we'd have some common syncing point. 122 00:07:05,300 --> 00:07:08,637 We could not find anything that we could use. 123 00:07:08,678 --> 00:07:14,309 So eventually, the whole post production became a mess of trying to sync it. 124 00:07:14,392 --> 00:07:17,395 Well , then , of course, we had a lot of equipment problems. 125 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:20,315 Especially when the rain came along . I remember this. 126 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:24,903 The camera, when you put this up on your shoulder, 127 00:07:24,944 --> 00:07:26,946 the motor hits you right in the shoulder. 128 00:07:26,988 --> 00:07:29,783 And we had to wrap towels around the motor 129 00:07:29,866 --> 00:07:31,910 because it got so bloody hot. 130 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:35,330 At one point the AC that was being supplied 131 00:07:35,413 --> 00:07:36,915 was nearly twice the voltage, 132 00:07:36,998 --> 00:07:40,335 so we thought, "Well , it's gonna melt the damn coils, 133 00:07:40,377 --> 00:07:43,254 "and the cameras will go entirely." 134 00:07:43,380 --> 00:07:45,632 -But I remember real pain . -Yeah. And shock. 135 00:07:45,715 --> 00:07:47,926 And agony and shocks, of course. 136 00:07:48,009 --> 00:07:50,512 You know, just from the cameras. 137 00:07:54,099 --> 00:07:55,141 Here it is Tuesday, now. 138 00:07:56,351 --> 00:08:00,730 The music is gonna start on Friday. There is one missing ingredient. 139 00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:02,607 The raw stock. 140 00:08:04,150 --> 00:08:07,612 Michael is on the phone, it's Wednesday, 141 00:08:07,696 --> 00:08:10,073 and he's saying , "Where the hell is the raw stock?" 142 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:14,619 And I said I called Kodak on Monday. We're buying it. Where was the money? 143 00:08:15,620 --> 00:08:20,417 He had not been paid yet for 30 Days to Survival. 144 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,419 That was the only source of the funds. 145 00:08:22,877 --> 00:08:28,049 Got the 15, 000 dollars, put it in the bank. We now had 17, 000 dollars, right? 146 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,221 Just almost enough to buy the raw stock at the time. 147 00:08:33,304 --> 00:08:36,433 So I called him on Monday saying we were going to place a large order 148 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:40,019 of 721 , 722 and 7255. 149 00:08:41,396 --> 00:08:43,148 And I didn't know exactly what the quantity was. 150 00:08:43,189 --> 00:08:44,941 I said , "Do you have it all in stock?" 151 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:48,445 "Yes, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. We've got it all in stock. 152 00:08:49,154 --> 00:08:51,364 "Come Wednesday morning ." 153 00:08:51,406 --> 00:08:55,034 Now I've got the money in the bank. I can actually write a check. 154 00:08:55,118 --> 00:08:58,079 And I called them and I said I want umpteen rolls of this and that 155 00:08:58,121 --> 00:08:59,247 and the other. 156 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:02,584 And like ten minutes later they call me back and they say, 157 00:09:02,667 --> 00:09:05,044 "All we have are two boxes worth ." 158 00:09:05,128 --> 00:09:09,007 We need 25 boxes in order to... 159 00:09:09,048 --> 00:09:12,302 We calculated , if we've got five cameras shooting 160 00:09:12,343 --> 00:09:14,345 and they're shooting for twelve hours a day, 161 00:09:14,387 --> 00:09:18,016 we are going to need a hell of a lot of raw stock. 162 00:09:18,183 --> 00:09:22,812 But I had only access to two boxes in New York. 163 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:27,025 When you see those helicopters in the movie coming in with 164 00:09:27,108 --> 00:09:28,902 Arlo Guthrie and the performers, 165 00:09:29,110 --> 00:09:33,865 they're carrying our raw stock all they way through on a staggered basis 166 00:09:33,948 --> 00:09:35,867 until Saturday noon. 167 00:09:36,493 --> 00:09:38,453 They were shooting it so fast, 168 00:09:38,495 --> 00:09:40,830 and the helicopters were coming in and everything. 169 00:09:40,872 --> 00:09:45,001 I mean , it was all we could do to get it to the assistants 170 00:09:45,043 --> 00:09:47,837 who were under the stage in the mud. 171 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:49,047 It was unreal. 172 00:09:58,807 --> 00:10:01,684 We asked Michael Lang and John Roberts to build a lip 173 00:10:01,726 --> 00:10:03,394 on the front of the stage. 174 00:10:03,436 --> 00:10:06,105 So that Michael and the other guys could , with his right hand , 175 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:10,401 put an elbow on the stage, stand on the ang plywood 176 00:10:10,485 --> 00:10:14,280 and have an absolutely ideal , perfect angle for this, 177 00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:16,991 and then leap on stage if it was necessary. 178 00:10:17,075 --> 00:10:20,203 And the tripod conveyed none of the energy. 179 00:10:20,245 --> 00:10:24,040 The tripod fixed you in a position. 180 00:10:24,082 --> 00:10:28,878 The ability for Michael and the other guys to get up on stage. 181 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,090 I mean , the one.. . When you see it in the director's cut, 182 00:10:32,131 --> 00:10:36,261 the one sequence with Bob H ite of Canned Heat 183 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:41,182 is one entire magazine, uncut with the 5. 9 lens. 184 00:10:41,266 --> 00:10:46,479 It is just so gorgeous and such an exemplary manifestation 185 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:49,315 of not only Michael's eye and his agility, 186 00:10:49,524 --> 00:10:52,527 but the camera's ability to register... 187 00:10:52,610 --> 00:10:53,820 I mean, when the guy comes up 188 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:58,116 and reaches into Bob ite package of cigarettes 189 00:10:58,157 --> 00:11:00,326 and takes a cigarette out and puts it back in, 190 00:11:00,410 --> 00:11:03,454 I mean , you know you're right there all the time. 191 00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:04,831 -I mean , it was marvelous. -Yeah. 192 00:11:04,914 --> 00:11:09,961 For film making , the uncut shots are really just fabulous, I think, 193 00:11:10,003 --> 00:11:14,173 because it conveys a sense of linear reality. 194 00:11:14,215 --> 00:11:17,385 And then what Dale is saying , with the wide-angle lens 195 00:11:17,468 --> 00:11:22,307 which increases the impression of how close you are to someone 196 00:11:22,348 --> 00:11:26,185 and what you can see around you , it's really like being there on the stage. 197 00:11:26,227 --> 00:11:31,149 And , of course, now, the cameramen don't really get that kind of intimacy often 198 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,610 or they have to wear black and stay out of the shots. 199 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:37,864 So, of course, many times you see all of us in the frame. 200 00:11:37,947 --> 00:11:40,700 But that's the spirit of the event. What's the difference? 201 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:22,408 Yeah! 202 00:12:24,619 --> 00:12:27,789 Ladies and gentlemen, Canned Heat! 203 00:12:34,921 --> 00:12:35,880 MICHAE LANG The lineup was the lineup. 204 00:12:35,964 --> 00:12:39,217 I think it was pretty much as it happened, 205 00:12:39,258 --> 00:12:40,301 except it happened on steroids. 206 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:43,513 We wanted everybody we loved , and everybody that we found along the way 207 00:12:43,554 --> 00:12:45,390 that we thought everybody else would love. 208 00:12:55,858 --> 00:12:58,736 JOCKO MARCEINO As we were making a little buzz, Hendrix came down to see us. 209 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:02,365 John Bonham came down to see us and Frank Zappa came down to see us. 210 00:13:02,532 --> 00:13:04,283 Kornfeld and ang were hanging out, 211 00:13:04,367 --> 00:13:06,244 and they said, "We're doing Woodstock." 212 00:13:06,327 --> 00:13:07,412 And I had been hearing about this. 213 00:13:07,495 --> 00:13:08,788 I knew the lineup was getting big. 214 00:13:09,038 --> 00:13:12,000 Sly was going to be on it. Hendrix was going to be on it. 215 00:13:12,500 --> 00:13:15,795 And I said to the manager, "Yes, go find that guy and tell him yes." 216 00:13:15,837 --> 00:13:17,630 MICHAE CARABEO I think we had played a few colleges 217 00:13:17,672 --> 00:13:19,215 and stuff like that. Outdoor things. 218 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:21,259 And there was this thing going on in Woodstock. 219 00:13:21,426 --> 00:13:24,887 No big deal to us. It was way too far from San Francisco anyway. 220 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:27,098 Somebody had called . It might've been Michael Lang , 221 00:13:27,181 --> 00:13:29,600 who was producing the Woodstock thing. 222 00:13:29,684 --> 00:13:30,727 Says, "Hey, we need a favor. 223 00:13:30,768 --> 00:13:32,186 "We need you to get somebody else on the bill." 224 00:13:32,311 --> 00:13:34,022 And in fact, we weren't actually going to do Woodstock. 225 00:13:34,147 --> 00:13:38,526 We were in the middle of a tour, and the agent said , 226 00:13:38,609 --> 00:13:39,902 "They're doing this festival , 227 00:13:39,986 --> 00:13:42,363 "they're anticipating probably 50, 000 people. 228 00:13:43,322 --> 00:13:44,741 "Would you like to do it?" 229 00:13:44,782 --> 00:13:46,117 And when we heard what they were offering , 230 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,243 we turned it down. 231 00:13:47,285 --> 00:13:49,996 But Frank Barcelona, our agent, kept on at us, 232 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,415 'cause he said, "You've got to do it, 'cause they've added Janis, 233 00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:54,876 "they've added J imi , they've added The Who, 234 00:13:54,917 --> 00:13:56,878 "they've added Airplane." 235 00:13:57,045 --> 00:14:00,048 So, in the end , we did it. Thank God we did. 236 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:03,843 We wanted to make sure that nobody was excluded from this event. 237 00:14:04,177 --> 00:14:08,014 It was planned to be an Aquarian exposition 238 00:14:08,139 --> 00:14:10,600 and all that that sort of entails 239 00:14:10,641 --> 00:14:13,311 which includes sort of a new wave dealing with people, 240 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:15,521 sort of a new openness. 241 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,440 What is it the musicians have 242 00:14:17,523 --> 00:14:18,816 that they can communicate so well to the kids? 243 00:14:18,900 --> 00:14:19,901 Music! 244 00:14:19,942 --> 00:14:21,235 I mean , they've always had music. 245 00:14:21,319 --> 00:14:24,072 Music has always been a major form of communication , 246 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:25,823 only now, the lyric and the type of music 247 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:29,952 is a little bit more involved in society than it was. 248 00:14:30,244 --> 00:14:33,456 Probably someone I wanted more than anyone was Roy Rogers. 249 00:14:33,998 --> 00:14:35,416 I wanted him to close the show with Happy Trails, 250 00:14:35,458 --> 00:14:40,254 'cause we all grew up with Roy Rogers singing Happy Trails to us at night, 251 00:14:40,630 --> 00:14:42,298 or Saturday mornings, as it were. 252 00:14:43,424 --> 00:14:45,593 But his manager didn't think it was a great idea. 253 00:14:46,552 --> 00:14:47,678 It's about what's happening now, 254 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,848 and if you listen to the lyric and you listen to the rhythm 255 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:53,059 and what's in the music, 256 00:14:53,142 --> 00:14:55,269 then you'll know what's going on with the culture. 257 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:58,022 I gotta split on you. 258 00:14:58,147 --> 00:14:59,649 Great, groovy. Thanks. 259 00:15:06,864 --> 00:15:10,576 There was an incident where I was looking over an invoice 260 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:12,954 that I had received from Technicolor, 261 00:15:13,371 --> 00:15:16,207 who was processing all of the opticals 262 00:15:16,249 --> 00:15:18,668 that were coming out of the optical houses. 263 00:15:18,751 --> 00:15:20,253 And I noticed this invoice, 264 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:25,174 and it said that they were making two prints of the negative. 265 00:15:25,967 --> 00:15:29,011 I called Technicolor with a really dumb, naive question. 266 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:30,972 I said , "Where does the second print go?" 267 00:15:31,013 --> 00:15:34,809 "We always send the second print to New York to Warner Bros. 268 00:15:34,892 --> 00:15:38,271 "To have them get a look at what we're producing ." 269 00:15:38,312 --> 00:15:41,149 You know, what we're printing for their client. 270 00:15:41,232 --> 00:15:44,360 I said , "Great. Okay, great." 271 00:15:44,443 --> 00:15:47,613 Next call , "Bob, we got a problem ." 272 00:15:48,322 --> 00:15:51,617 We got on the phone with our attorney 273 00:15:51,701 --> 00:15:55,621 and we physically, at that point, 274 00:15:55,705 --> 00:16:00,751 shut down our editing for all intents and purposes. 275 00:16:00,877 --> 00:16:05,423 We brought all of the negative into our offices 276 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:10,511 and hired a 2-hour security guard with a gun. 277 00:16:10,595 --> 00:16:14,974 And Bob flew to New York to negotiate with these people. 278 00:16:15,057 --> 00:16:19,770 Once we got it resolved that Technicolor had absolutely no right, 279 00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:21,939 since we were the client of record , 280 00:16:22,690 --> 00:16:25,985 to make another copy or to get it anywhere else, 281 00:16:26,027 --> 00:16:27,778 everything smoothed out again , 282 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:31,949 and the negative went back to Ed Richards. 283 00:16:31,991 --> 00:16:33,075 Ed Richards, the negative manager. 284 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:36,495 And we continued to put new material into the optical houses 285 00:16:36,537 --> 00:16:37,580 to get it processed. 286 00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:41,000 We were that rigid. 287 00:16:41,083 --> 00:16:47,465 We were that determined to maintain the integrity of this film. 288 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:58,517 Can those of you in the back hear well? 289 00:16:59,727 --> 00:17:02,438 Raise your hand, please. It's all right? Thank you. 290 00:17:02,772 --> 00:17:04,398 There were some pretty interesting announcements. 291 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:09,570 There were lots of "Meet your sister," and "Meet your brother," or 292 00:17:09,654 --> 00:17:10,905 "Get to the hospital , you're having a baby." 293 00:17:10,947 --> 00:17:12,031 Those kinds of things. 294 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:14,492 CHIP MONCK ON PA Helen Savage, please call your father 295 00:17:14,575 --> 00:17:16,953 at the Motel Glory in Wood-Ridge. 296 00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:20,414 By the time, I was appointed MC 297 00:17:20,498 --> 00:17:24,168 at 7: 00 in the morning by the tap on the shoulder by Mr. Lang , 298 00:17:25,962 --> 00:17:29,882 I had a feeling that it was going to be mammoth. 299 00:17:30,258 --> 00:17:35,429 The Daily News, in rather large headlines, still costing 10 cents, 300 00:17:35,763 --> 00:17:38,599 "Traffic Uptight At Hippiefest." 301 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:42,103 Well , he was there. He was articulate. 302 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,273 And I had forgotten to book anybody, so... 303 00:17:45,773 --> 00:17:50,319 You could actually hear my knees rattling together. 304 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:52,113 When I first started on my announcements, 305 00:17:52,196 --> 00:17:55,283 it was a very uncomfortable feeling. 306 00:17:55,449 --> 00:17:59,078 It got smoother and got easier because I was frankly in charge, 307 00:17:59,537 --> 00:18:01,747 and why should I be frightened? 308 00:18:01,789 --> 00:18:04,542 Because I could do anything I needed to. 309 00:18:04,667 --> 00:18:07,795 Wheat Germ, Holly has your bag with your medicine. 310 00:18:07,878 --> 00:18:10,923 Please meet at the information booth as soon as you can, please. 311 00:18:11,132 --> 00:18:15,970 I think one of the doctors came up and said , 312 00:18:16,053 --> 00:18:19,307 "If you can , let's see if we can get rid of this brown acid ." 313 00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:23,894 And for his hand to be on my back and just push me downstage, 314 00:18:23,978 --> 00:18:25,980 which meant it was time to do it now. 315 00:18:26,897 --> 00:18:28,065 The warning that I've received, 316 00:18:28,149 --> 00:18:31,068 you may take it with however many grains of salt you wish, 317 00:18:31,819 --> 00:18:37,241 that the brown acid that is circulating around us is not specifically too good. 318 00:18:37,867 --> 00:18:40,161 That was a very difficult announcement to make, 319 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:41,996 because if you really stomped on it, 320 00:18:42,246 --> 00:18:44,832 anybody who had taken it could , in fact, 321 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:48,210 really end up having a very unpleasant trip. 322 00:18:48,669 --> 00:18:49,962 Which acid did I take? 323 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,799 The green or the brown ? 324 00:18:55,217 --> 00:18:57,928 And that took you to another place 'cause you were tripping. 325 00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:01,474 So you immediately spiral downward 326 00:19:02,767 --> 00:19:04,727 just from the announcements. 327 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:08,064 I really didn't know how to do it. 328 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:11,692 That's why there were so many little colloquialisms and stuff stuffed in there, 329 00:19:12,485 --> 00:19:14,445 "grain of salt," "be my guest," 330 00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:17,198 because I really wanted to try and soften it. 331 00:19:17,865 --> 00:19:19,867 It's suggested that you do stay away from that. 332 00:19:19,992 --> 00:19:22,161 Of course, it's your own trip, so be my guest, 333 00:19:22,244 --> 00:19:25,414 but please be advised that there is a warning on that one, okay? 334 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:30,002 I think you save the harsh ones for the time you need it. 335 00:19:30,586 --> 00:19:34,507 So it's probably a good idea to be, certainly not soft and cuddly, 336 00:19:34,548 --> 00:19:37,676 but at least courteous, you know. 337 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,846 Because some people, I suppose, could be easily offended 338 00:19:40,888 --> 00:19:44,058 by a type of language or an approach. 339 00:19:45,226 --> 00:19:47,520 So you have to be sort of careful in that. 340 00:19:47,686 --> 00:19:52,566 I started to actually tune 341 00:19:52,817 --> 00:19:58,114 and refine a skill that I had no idea that I had. 342 00:19:58,739 --> 00:20:00,699 please, 343 00:20:00,783 --> 00:20:04,870 with full suturing equipment, your presence is requested. 344 00:20:06,539 --> 00:20:08,249 You've got a delivery to make. 345 00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:11,544 Both Chip and John Morris also did some announcing , 346 00:20:12,253 --> 00:20:15,005 and they both did an amazing job. I mean , it was just... 347 00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:19,427 It was totally, you know, surprising to me. 348 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:22,972 I had no idea they would be that good , either one of them. 349 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:24,223 But it's just one of those things, 350 00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:26,976 like a lot of things about Woodstock, that worked out perfectly. 351 00:20:36,277 --> 00:20:39,697 Warner Bros. had said they're going to open this film 352 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:44,660 in eight cities at the end of March , March 2 and 25, 353 00:20:44,743 --> 00:20:46,996 and they needed to be able to see it. 354 00:20:47,037 --> 00:20:53,627 We were still mixing the film on March 10, 11 and 12, mind you. 355 00:20:54,295 --> 00:20:56,172 And they said , "We've got to see it, we've got to see it. 356 00:20:56,213 --> 00:20:58,507 "The exhibitors have got to see it. We've got to know how long it is." 357 00:20:58,841 --> 00:21:01,760 We had known all along that the standard length for a movie 358 00:21:01,844 --> 00:21:05,514 is an hour and 50 minutes, 1 -5-0. 359 00:21:05,598 --> 00:21:08,934 And here we were, virtually double that length. 360 00:21:09,018 --> 00:21:13,397 What he wanted was almost a four-and-a-half, five hour film. 361 00:21:14,356 --> 00:21:20,029 And , in fact, his first cut was about seven hours or six hours. 362 00:21:20,362 --> 00:21:22,740 They said , "We want a screening. 363 00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:27,411 "Five of us, suits, will sit in the backroom of the projection booth 364 00:21:27,495 --> 00:21:31,540 "over here on the Warner Bros. lot, and we'll take a look at your film ." 365 00:21:31,582 --> 00:21:34,168 And we said, "We'll call you back." 366 00:21:34,210 --> 00:21:36,670 We all looked at each other and said , 367 00:21:36,712 --> 00:21:39,381 "Five suits looking at this film? They'll never get it." 368 00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:44,929 The editors at that time were concerned 369 00:21:45,012 --> 00:21:47,389 about "the studio." 370 00:21:47,431 --> 00:21:52,394 Because the studio was doing , you know, big films, 371 00:21:52,436 --> 00:21:54,230 we'd been in the business for years, 372 00:21:54,313 --> 00:21:57,024 but they didn't have the "vision" 373 00:21:57,066 --> 00:22:01,570 that the young hippies of those days had. 374 00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:03,531 And we argued back and forth, 375 00:22:03,572 --> 00:22:08,202 and finally we said that we had invited several hundred students 376 00:22:08,244 --> 00:22:12,373 from UCLA and USC, other film houses, 377 00:22:12,414 --> 00:22:15,918 to come watch the film with the Warner Bros. suits. 378 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,628 And we then invited them 379 00:22:17,711 --> 00:22:22,800 and showed them the whole film at four hours in length. 380 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:26,804 They had to hop over people who were lying on the floor, 381 00:22:26,887 --> 00:22:29,431 opening weeds in the back, 382 00:22:29,515 --> 00:22:35,229 and from the first moment, it was rip-roaring, rocking. 383 00:22:35,271 --> 00:22:37,648 The projectionists were absolutely perfect, 384 00:22:37,731 --> 00:22:41,860 the suits were totally, totally overwhelmed. 385 00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:45,030 After the screening, we were more confident than ever 386 00:22:45,114 --> 00:22:47,032 that we had a hit on our hands. 387 00:22:47,116 --> 00:22:52,788 We had a meeting the next day in which Warner Bros. said , "It's too long ." 388 00:22:54,206 --> 00:23:00,379 I just, you know, couldn't believe it. You know, Dale had to hold me down. 389 00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:03,215 So the next morning we had a meeting. 390 00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:05,009 And there were certain things that they said 391 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:09,597 that we had kind of thought among ourselves were going to be okay, 392 00:23:09,638 --> 00:23:11,724 that we would have to drop some stuff, 393 00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:14,268 'cause we'd had our own meeting after the screening , 394 00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:17,229 and we'd felt even in putting them into the film 395 00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:20,149 that maybe they weren't really working properly. 396 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:24,361 But where it came to be the most critical was at the end. 397 00:23:25,195 --> 00:23:28,866 Warner's wanted the J imi Hendrix sequence 398 00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:30,326 cut down to three minutes 399 00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:34,163 because they thought it was so sour, so dark. 400 00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:37,416 They wanted people going out of the movie cheering , everything else. 401 00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,877 And they thought that this whole rendering 402 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,673 of Jimi's Star-Spangled Banner, plus the Purple Haze that we had in there, 403 00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:47,384 and all that garbage picking up and the whatever. 404 00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,386 How could you end the movie with that? 405 00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:52,139 I personally edited that last section 406 00:23:52,222 --> 00:23:56,644 and felt very strongly that we should end on a disturbing note. 407 00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:59,021 You know, that this looks like post-holocaust, 408 00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:01,899 and you notice I put in the people with the crutches 409 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:06,111 and the casts on their arms and all the detritus. 410 00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:08,614 It was meant to look like, 411 00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:13,077 wow, you know, will all this good time end very, very badly? 412 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,538 And that's exactly what I wanted people to think about. 413 00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:18,540 With this brilliant guitar playing , 414 00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:23,587 it was really the perfect ending , aesthetically, as a filmmaker, for the film. 415 00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:26,924 So I was ready to, you know, 416 00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:30,678 absolutely go to the mat over that issue. 417 00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:35,599 Of course, Michael and I butted heads in a lot of ways, 418 00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:41,230 but it was always creative. He was really the creative maven. 419 00:24:41,772 --> 00:24:43,941 And I was the guy from the studio. 420 00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:48,612 There were really vicious remarks that were thrown back and forth. 421 00:24:49,446 --> 00:24:52,783 We spent the rest of the day 422 00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:58,455 ensuring that we had possession of the elements that would prevent them 423 00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:00,791 from making a separate cut, 424 00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:04,378 coming up with a two-hour version that the exhibitors wanted, 425 00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:07,089 because they were saying the exhibitors wanna turn this film around. 426 00:25:07,131 --> 00:25:08,340 They wanna sell more popcorn. 427 00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,175 If they had not agreed with us, 428 00:25:10,259 --> 00:25:13,971 we were prepared to at least threaten going berserk 429 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:18,517 and destroying everything if they didn't put out our version. 430 00:25:18,809 --> 00:25:20,853 But what we finally arrived at, 431 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:23,731 we would cut down the J imi Hendrix piece, 432 00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:27,943 which I think was running at about 15 or 16 minutes, 433 00:25:27,985 --> 00:25:32,322 down to a version that we felt comfortable with , 434 00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:35,617 which we had to kind of determine would be nine or 10 minutes. 435 00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:36,827 It was a compromise, 436 00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:41,457 but only as to a certain amount of length with it, 437 00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:47,504 which , by the way, now's been put all back into the director's cut. 438 00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:51,425 But by and large, we ended up, I would say, 439 00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:53,844 with basically what we wanted. 440 00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,180 It took a while to get there. 441 00:25:56,263 --> 00:26:00,601 But just two or three weeks beforehand , we were still screaming and yelling. 442 00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:04,104 But Michael was brilliant. 443 00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:09,067 I mean , you very seldom get a director who had the vision that he had , 444 00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:12,529 who's able to shoot the film the way he told the people to shoot it. 445 00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:15,032 And he was very instrumental in all that. 446 00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:18,410 And as a filmmaker, I thought, "Wow. There's nothing I wanna change." 447 00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:22,164 I didn't have any second thought, which is really, really nice. 448 00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:38,013 The summer of 1969, 449 00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,474 New York City was abuzz 450 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,603 with this whole idea that there was going to be, somewhere, 451 00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:47,105 at a place yet to be determined, 452 00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:51,026 a huge colossal music festival 453 00:26:51,193 --> 00:26:54,029 called Woodstock Music and Art Fair. 454 00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:59,993 In July of 1969, Michael Wadleigh knew very little about it, 455 00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:04,873 because he was shooting a film with Paul Petzoldt 456 00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:07,793 called 30 Days to Survival, 457 00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:12,381 in which Michael survived and lost 20 pounds. 458 00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:15,592 -True? -Yeah , it was my head ... 459 00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,219 -Right. -.. .that was lost. 460 00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,012 Took a long time to re-find it. 461 00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:22,850 As he came back at the end of July, 462 00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:27,563 there was this whole pulsating in New York among the film community 463 00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:29,481 about this festival. 464 00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:33,569 And there was talk that the festival producers 465 00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:38,949 were looking for filmmakers to be able to shoot this festival. 466 00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,661 We heard this, and Bob began to sniff around 467 00:27:42,703 --> 00:27:46,498 as to where were the rights to the festival. 468 00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:51,670 At that time, I had just come in with the new Warner Bros. people. 469 00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:56,717 It was Steve Ross and Ted Ashley had just taken over, 470 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,345 and they had brought me in to do the youth market. 471 00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:06,184 Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Records really had the music rights 472 00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:10,355 and the film rights, all in a package for 100, 000 dollars. 473 00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:11,982 But there was no deal with anybody, 474 00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:15,444 not with the producers, not with any of the performers, 475 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:19,531 certainly not with Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Records, nobody. 476 00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:21,575 It was really because of the persuasive efforts 477 00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:25,287 of Artie Kornfeld, who I had known in the Village. 478 00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:30,208 And he, with this great enthusiasm , convinced me, and we went from there. 479 00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:34,630 After they turned me down cold , I went back and said , "I'm leaving ." 480 00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:39,760 They said , "Okay, Fred , it's only 350, 000 dollars. Don't worry about it." 481 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:55,651 The Saturday before the Friday when the music began , 482 00:28:56,234 --> 00:29:02,783 Michael and I , and John Binder, and Larry Johnson , and Thelma, 483 00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:05,869 we all went up to the site in about three cars, 484 00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:10,958 and we got to Max Yasgur's farm at about noon. 485 00:29:11,041 --> 00:29:16,046 And there were so much turmoil, but organized chaos going on at the site. 486 00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:20,884 And that was the moment at which we all looked at each other 487 00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:26,098 and said , "We can figure out how to get the people together, 488 00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,767 "get the camera people together, get the gear together, 489 00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,436 "get the supplies together, 490 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,273 "and get up to that site by Thursday morning 491 00:29:35,315 --> 00:29:39,528 "before the music began on Friday. We can do this." 492 00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:08,682 JACK CASADY In the beginning, access roads became so congested 493 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:11,977 that by the time we actually went in 494 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,937 for what was supposed to be a sound check or whatnot, 495 00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:15,397 once you got in , you didn't leave. 496 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,650 It reminded me of a Cecil B. DeMille production movie, 497 00:30:18,734 --> 00:30:22,112 of all the extras portraying the grandest army you ever saw. 498 00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,741 We were standing on the curbs watching them come in last night, 499 00:30:25,782 --> 00:30:27,367 all the townspeople. 500 00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:30,287 It was just like an army invading a town. 501 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,788 - Really? -It was hard to believe. 502 00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:35,584 Rows and rows of cars on each side of the dirt access road 503 00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:39,087 didn't leave quite enough room for one vehicle. 504 00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:42,340 I was driving. I took the trim off both sides of the station wagon. 505 00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:44,843 We went through about 200 cars 506 00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:48,764 with the sides of the station wagon scraping the whole way, you know. 507 00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:52,017 And it was.. . Sorry, folks, whoever owned those cars. 508 00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,979 Well, we drove up to what was then the Holiday Inn in iberty. 509 00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:57,689 And in the lobby there and in the coffee shop, 510 00:30:57,731 --> 00:31:00,776 everybody was there. And , I mean , I knew most of the people, 511 00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:03,570 Hendrix and Janis Joplin ... 512 00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,073 And so I got a bit of an idea what it was like. 513 00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:07,240 Everybody was outside standing, 514 00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,409 going , "What the hell is going on?" 515 00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:11,119 And all of a sudden , we see the National Guard , 516 00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,997 and , "Is there a war going on? What's going on?" 517 00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,374 The only way to get in there is by helicopter. 518 00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,419 We booked helicopters before the weekend for emergencies. 519 00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,089 As the traffic became more and more dense, 520 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,758 we realized that we were gonna have a problem getting performers in , 521 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,387 and so we booked more helicopters and we just kept doing that hourly, 522 00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:30,972 adding helicopters. 523 00:31:31,098 --> 00:31:34,976 We apologize for the noise of the choppity-choppity, 524 00:31:35,102 --> 00:31:38,230 but it seems there are a few cars blocking the road, 525 00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:39,981 so we're flying everybody in. 526 00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,192 The helicopter arrived, and we were about to get on it, 527 00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,694 and these guys pushed in front of us. 528 00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:48,406 And I was gonna argue the toss with them , as I have a habit of doing. 529 00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:52,994 And it turned out it was Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young and Albert Grossman 530 00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:55,455 going to do a recce of the site. 531 00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,791 So we waited for the next helicopter. 532 00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,669 So we took a helicopter down to the gig , 533 00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:02,754 maybe three hours before we were due to play. 534 00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:06,883 We could see that it was like some sort of war zone, really. 535 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:11,513 And it was about a 10-minute flight from there to the Woodstock actual site. 536 00:32:11,555 --> 00:32:15,517 I got to be in a helicopter with Jerry Garcia and Michael Shrieve. 537 00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,395 Got up and got high in the sky and looked down 538 00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:20,105 and saw all these people and just couldn't believe it, 539 00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:23,066 with the door open , mind you . And Jerry just thought it was... 540 00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,027 "Can you believe it? ook at all those people down there." 541 00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:29,239 It was just overwhelming, way, way overwhelming. 542 00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:36,329 MARTIN SCORSESE Michael Wadleigh and I had an idea to do a concert film 543 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,540 utilizing, of course, 16mm equipment. 544 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,627 I was in the motion picture workshop that summer. 545 00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:44,880 There was this big event that was gonna occur, 546 00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:48,383 some festival, a music festival up in the country somewhere, 547 00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:49,467 a place called Woodstock. 548 00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:54,681 Think of this. There are half a dozen of us working in this office 549 00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:59,394 on 81st Street and Broadway, on the second floor of that building. 550 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,815 There is, in the icebox, 551 00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:07,569 about ten boxes of short ends of raw stock. 552 00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:11,281 There is about 2, 000 dollars in the bank. 553 00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:15,744 The festival is going to begin in five days. 554 00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:22,250 We have the chutzpah to think that we can put together this team. 555 00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:24,920 Nobody could land the rights to do it. 556 00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:26,796 There was no money being offered up front. 557 00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,382 So Wadleigh just took a huge gamble, 558 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,886 and we assembled everybody we knew 559 00:33:32,928 --> 00:33:37,766 and went off into this mad , crazy world. 560 00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:40,018 We had no idea what we were getting into. 561 00:33:40,268 --> 00:33:43,605 I think that all of us felt that there was something happening there 562 00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:46,274 that we would never regret. 563 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,402 Certainly, again , really, 564 00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:52,697 I don't think we had the dollar sign first, 565 00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:55,617 if we had , I know we wouldn't have done it. 566 00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:58,203 I think we wanted the adventure of it, 567 00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:03,124 and for me, I really, really wanted to carry out these experiments. 568 00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,960 -And it was salivating to think.. . -Right, right. 569 00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:08,672 ...that this collection of rock and roll people was going to be there. 570 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,841 And as a filmmaker... "What the hell! 571 00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:14,970 "Et's just go and film these legendary groups." 572 00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,641 It's Monday morning. Wads has gone up to the site. 573 00:34:19,683 --> 00:34:24,479 We had discussed the people who we want to work on the project. 574 00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:27,857 And remember, there are no faxes. There are no cell phones. 575 00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:30,151 There are no Fed Ex. There are no computers. 576 00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:32,570 There's no nothing but payphones. 577 00:34:32,696 --> 00:34:37,575 So, Dick Pearce in Hartford , got him to get on his motorcycle. 578 00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,578 Don Pearce, David Myers, Stan Pearce... 579 00:34:40,662 --> 00:34:43,540 Dale was mentioning the best cameramen on the East Coast. 580 00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:46,001 -You know, we tried.. . -And on the West Coast. 581 00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:47,627 -And the West Coast, too. -Right. Right. 582 00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:50,171 With David Myers, who had come in on his own. 583 00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:53,967 "David , you're going to get paid * 125. It's going to be an adventure. 584 00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:57,178 "Can you put it on your card and maybe we'll pay you when you get here?" 585 00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:00,682 Or maybe we'll pay you after the fact. I mean , that's what it was. 586 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:02,767 Bob Maurice was scurrying around New York 587 00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:06,313 trying to find out where the rights were and who was going on. 588 00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:08,231 Just constant around the clock with me 589 00:35:08,315 --> 00:35:11,234 and Sonya Pearce and a couple of other people, 590 00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:15,989 just making phone calls on time zones to coordinate it. 591 00:35:16,031 --> 00:35:18,199 But, you know, I think this is a microcosm 592 00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:20,827 of how the whole festival was pulled off really. 593 00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:24,164 I think, equally, they just pieced it all together 594 00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:27,834 and made that happen and that happen and that happen. 595 00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:32,088 And like we were saying earlier, that's very hard to do today. 596 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:35,133 We had really first-rate, you could call them cameramen-directors, 597 00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:40,013 who were very used to going out, taking an assignment 598 00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:41,556 and bringing back the footage. 599 00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:47,187 We'd have about four, call them "documentary teams," 600 00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:52,192 that would be wandering around , either on motorcycles or on foot, 601 00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:59,240 going out into the non-music portions to try to get representative samples 602 00:35:59,282 --> 00:36:05,205 of what sociological and psychological , and indeed , physical activities 603 00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:07,123 were going on all around the stage. 604 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,834 We would send out people and have no idea where they were. 605 00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:12,587 They would send back. We'd hear a request for film , 606 00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,423 you know, or a battery, they were out of a battery. 607 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:20,345 We would try to communicate on a semi-regular basis. 608 00:36:20,387 --> 00:36:23,056 First thing in the morning , we would try to talk, 609 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,432 the documentary team would talk, 610 00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:26,935 I know I would with them and John Binder. 611 00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:29,687 And we would try and find out, "What did you get? 612 00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:31,731 "What have we heard is going to happen? 613 00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:35,485 "It would be really good if you could get up to X by noon. 614 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:38,113 "Try and get back, send somebody back to us by noon , 615 00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:39,906 "so we know what you've done. 616 00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:44,160 "Because we may have something new for you to do in the afternoon ." 617 00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:50,125 Please walk on the grass. 618 00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,420 Please walk on the grass. 619 00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:55,755 Hold it. 620 00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:59,592 Walk on the sides of the road if you're gonna walk through here. 621 00:36:59,676 --> 00:37:02,595 And one of my jobs was to try and get Chip Monck, 622 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,766 who was lighting the show for the festival , 623 00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:09,978 to please give us some more light at times when there were groups 624 00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,147 that Wadleigh would scream to me, 625 00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,233 he would be bent over that Éclair camera, 626 00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,194 "Get me some light, get me some light! I can't see them ." 627 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:21,072 I would go over to Chip and say, "Could we have a little more light?" 628 00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:24,534 And he would say, "I'm lighting for those people out there! 629 00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:26,369 "I'm not lighting for your movie!" 630 00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:46,681 The lighting is not taking into consideration the camera. 631 00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,225 It's lighting for a show, and that became a problem. 632 00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:53,062 That became a serious problem for the cameramen , Michael and everyone. 633 00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:57,108 She was trying to get Chip to give us more light, 634 00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,985 and he was trying to make a show. 635 00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:01,446 We kept asking the groups for their playlists. 636 00:38:01,529 --> 00:38:03,364 And generally, they would give them to us, 637 00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:05,450 "Here's the order and songs." So we'd say, "Oh , great! 638 00:38:05,492 --> 00:38:07,827 "Well , these are the songs we wanna do." 639 00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,330 And then , we wouldn't start, and here would come a song 640 00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,540 that we would want to do that was number five, 641 00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:13,666 and they were opening with it. 642 00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:17,295 And this happened time and again , so we'd all scramble, you know. 643 00:38:17,337 --> 00:38:19,506 So after that, we sort of set a rule that 644 00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:23,009 we would start shooting just the first few seconds, 645 00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:26,763 and then I would either wave them off and say, "No, no, no, we're not gonna go," 646 00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,556 or we would continue. 647 00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,813 We couldn't afford just to film all the time. 648 00:38:35,897 --> 00:38:38,983 It was simply impossible because the groups never would go off. 649 00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:41,611 Once they came on , they didn't want to leave. 650 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,822 Who had ever played before such a gigantic audience? 651 00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:47,617 So they just kept going and going, and going and going. 652 00:38:51,871 --> 00:38:53,873 Thelma and I and others had talked about 653 00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:56,709 how we would do these elaborate multiple image shoots 654 00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:59,295 and how they'd be coordinated and ... 655 00:38:59,379 --> 00:39:01,089 -Wow! -With headsets. 656 00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:02,715 -With headsets. Right. -With headsets, 657 00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:05,635 and we would say, I had this idea that I'd say, 658 00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:09,597 "I'm on wide, go tight, go tight, you know, now pan. Everybody, pan ." 659 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,307 And the headsets failed. 660 00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:15,520 Or there'd be just horrible feedback that would just blow your ears out. 661 00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:16,813 Or no one could hear you , 662 00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:20,233 because, of course, these groups were incredibly loud. 663 00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:24,404 We had all these fantastic plans about how coordinated we would be, 664 00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:26,739 as if we were like a TV shoot. 665 00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:29,909 Again , it was more analogous to thinking about being 666 00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:33,997 in Beirut or something , you know, with the bombs going off 667 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,207 and , "Pan left, pan.. ." "What?" 668 00:39:36,291 --> 00:39:38,376 Everybody was really in a separate silo, 669 00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:41,921 that phrase that we use today, but that's exactly where everybody was. 670 00:39:41,963 --> 00:39:43,965 But they were at least positioned , 671 00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,467 and they all had tremendous instinct. 672 00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:51,806 Remember, guys and gals out there, 673 00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:54,225 we've got two different physical objects, 674 00:39:54,267 --> 00:39:57,103 one, a soundtrack, and one, film. 675 00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,189 Nothing connects them at all . We're free-floating. 676 00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:03,026 So you've got to get them together, because you don't wanna put 677 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,029 Santana's music with Hendrix's image. 678 00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,239 We hired a large group of people 679 00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:12,619 just to sync the dailies for months, by eye. 680 00:40:12,702 --> 00:40:16,623 We weren't able to get slates, we had "beep lights," 681 00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:19,417 but again , things weren't working and ... 682 00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:21,753 It was a nightmare. 683 00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:27,091 Since there were no slates, no technical slates and no visual slates, 684 00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:33,348 we would rent a single-headed Moviola, and a soundtrack player. 685 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,267 It did put us in a manic state at a certain point. 686 00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:38,269 We'd be so excited , we'd be running out, "We got it in sync! " 687 00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:39,812 We'd come back in , it was out again. 688 00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:45,443 This is what was going on 2 hours a day with a team of about 0 people 689 00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:48,488 in a space that was 2,00 square feet, 690 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,240 where each editing table was literally touching 691 00:40:51,324 --> 00:40:53,076 another editing table. 692 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,496 Once we got sync on all of... 693 00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:59,999 We only fed them every other day, because of... 694 00:41:00,083 --> 00:41:02,335 -They didn't get too big . -I mean , it was unreal. 695 00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:03,461 It was totally unreal. 696 00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:05,713 You'd get a phone call at 200 in the morning 697 00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:09,384 saying, "Where's the reel on Creedence Clearwater?" or whatever. 698 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:12,512 But systematic labeling, the systematic logging, 699 00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:14,514 all of that were absolutely paramount. 700 00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:19,352 No computers, no Excel sheets, it all had to be done by hand. 701 00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:23,898 The festival was August 15, 16, 17. 702 00:41:23,981 --> 00:41:27,777 The syncing was not completed until 703 00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:31,447 towards the end of September, early October. 704 00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:37,328 We kind of knew that if you bring Hendrix, 705 00:41:37,412 --> 00:41:41,457 if you bring Janis Joplin, if you bring The Who, 706 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:45,002 the entire axis of the planet is going to tilt. 707 00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:47,004 Everyone's gonna try and get there. 708 00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:51,884 This idea of Woodstock happening because it was a free show, 709 00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:53,761 I think, is a little inaccurate. 710 00:41:53,845 --> 00:41:57,140 I think most people were coming looking for places to buy tickets. 711 00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:59,851 They couldn't buy tickets 'cause they weren't available anywhere. 712 00:41:59,892 --> 00:42:01,811 We never got the ticket booths in place. 713 00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:07,191 This is one thing that I was gonna wait a while before we talked about, 714 00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:10,236 but maybe we'll talk about it now so you can think about it. 715 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,655 It's a free concert from now on. 716 00:42:16,242 --> 00:42:18,286 At one point, somebody told me, "Marty, come here, take a look." 717 00:42:18,369 --> 00:42:20,288 So I went up, and I went to the lip of the stage, 718 00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:24,375 and I saw this massive sort of impressionist painting. 719 00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:27,420 I'm a paranoid New Yorker. There were times I got nervous, 720 00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,589 "What if something goes wrong?" 721 00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:33,760 Yeah , but the interesting thing about Woodstock 722 00:42:33,843 --> 00:42:35,887 is that it didn't, you see? 723 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,722 That was the beauty of it, I think. 724 00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:42,351 What we have in mind is breakfast in bed for 400, 000. 725 00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:46,647 JOHNNY WINTER Started to say wall-to-wall people, 726 00:42:46,731 --> 00:42:48,191 but there weren't any walls. 727 00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:50,401 It was just everywhere, as far as you could see, 728 00:42:50,443 --> 00:42:52,236 -just people. -Yeah. 729 00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,530 WINTER People, mud and rain. 730 00:42:54,614 --> 00:42:56,908 The overall thing which was so big about it is 731 00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:01,162 you had so many people there of all races and colors, 732 00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:03,998 and there was no fights, and everybody got along , 733 00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:05,750 and it got organized somehow. 734 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:07,460 There have been many events 735 00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:10,421 that have gathered many people, you know, in the last 40 years, 736 00:43:10,505 --> 00:43:13,800 but realistically, they weren't all in the same headspace. 737 00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,761 It was about our generation getting together and showing them 738 00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:19,430 that we didn't have to go to war, we didn't have to have jobs, 739 00:43:19,472 --> 00:43:22,099 we were gonna play music and turn the world around. 740 00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:29,190 No rain! No rain! No rain! 741 00:43:29,899 --> 00:43:32,068 Joe Cooker arrived . Joe went on and played , 742 00:43:32,151 --> 00:43:35,488 and I think we were gonna go on after him , and then , that's when the rain started. 743 00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,200 All right, everybody, just sit down, wrap yourself up. 744 00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:41,452 We're gonna have to ride it out. 745 00:43:43,204 --> 00:43:45,039 Hold on to your neighbor, man. 746 00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:47,250 No rain! No rain! No rain! 747 00:43:47,375 --> 00:43:51,671 -No rain ! No rain ! No rain ! No rain ! -No rain ! No rain ! No rain ! No rain! 748 00:43:51,754 --> 00:43:54,423 The next thing I know it was pouring down with rain , 749 00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,467 I mean , it's turned into a torrential rain. 750 00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:03,558 I remember 'cause I was freezing cold. 751 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,269 I had just a tank top on , you know, with no sleeves. 752 00:44:06,978 --> 00:44:09,313 And it was very, very cold at first. 753 00:44:09,397 --> 00:44:14,235 And they brought in great, big cardboard boxes of scraps of material. 754 00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:16,028 It was like being on a refugee... 755 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,865 I imagine what a refugee camp was like, you know. 756 00:44:18,948 --> 00:44:20,992 To me, it was a mini-tornado. 757 00:44:21,075 --> 00:44:23,369 -It was, yeah . -Yeah , they didn't say it was, 758 00:44:23,452 --> 00:44:26,622 but that was my introduction to tornadoes, of which I've been in two more. 759 00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:29,292 They had a VIP area at the side of the stage 760 00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:30,626 where people could watch, 761 00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,337 groupies and press and whatever you like could watch the band, 762 00:44:33,421 --> 00:44:35,172 they had to close that down 763 00:44:35,256 --> 00:44:39,802 to take the strain off the stage, because it was slipping down the hill. 764 00:44:39,969 --> 00:44:41,679 And there is a clip in the movie 765 00:44:41,762 --> 00:44:44,473 of this young kid running down towards the camera, and he says, 766 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:46,434 "This is the American government! They're doing this! 767 00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:48,019 "They've been spraying the clouds, man." 768 00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:49,103 I've got something to say. 769 00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:51,522 I want to know how come the fascist pigs have been seeding the clouds? 770 00:44:51,606 --> 00:44:53,024 Right, for the last hour and a half. 771 00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:54,692 'Cause I've seen the airplanes going over twice 772 00:44:54,775 --> 00:44:57,945 with all the smoke coming out of them , seeding the clouds, 773 00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:01,115 and I want to know, you know, why that stuff is going down , man , 774 00:45:01,157 --> 00:45:04,785 and why doesn't the media report that stuff to the people, man? 775 00:45:05,202 --> 00:45:07,246 And with current events, you really have to wonder 776 00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:09,498 if that, maybe, was the case. 777 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:13,002 'Cause I know the FBI and the CIA were very, very nervous... 778 00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:15,671 -It's getting to conspiracy theories. -.. .of all that many people, you know. 779 00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:18,341 Technically, it was a horror, you know, 780 00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:22,678 because it stopped many things from working. 781 00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:25,681 The wiring was flooded. 782 00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:27,892 I remember, when we went on stage, 783 00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:31,395 in between the wires, it was like water. 784 00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:34,398 You can squeeze those two conductors together 785 00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:36,525 and get a monstrous zap. 786 00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:38,402 It goes through your mind , "Well , 787 00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,614 "this could be our best and last show here." 788 00:45:48,913 --> 00:45:50,915 There were just people every place, I mean , it just... 789 00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:54,418 Started to say wall-to-wall people, but there weren't any walls. 790 00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,671 It was just everywhere, as far as you could see, 791 00:45:56,754 --> 00:45:58,589 -just people. Yeah. 792 00:45:58,631 --> 00:46:00,424 People, mud and rain. 793 00:46:01,717 --> 00:46:03,052 GRACE SLICK Some of them were even playing in it. 794 00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:04,637 And I thought, "Well, thank God you're young." 795 00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:08,265 Take off your clothes and play in the mud. 796 00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:10,601 HUGH HEFNER: I was glad I wasn't there, 797 00:46:10,685 --> 00:46:13,604 but I don't think I would've enjoyed all the mud. 798 00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:17,525 I'm very glad it happened , in hindsight, 799 00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:20,736 because it was a wonderful settling event, 800 00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:24,031 because you could look around and everybody looked the same. 801 00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:25,950 Drowned rats. 802 00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:27,868 That's really what was amazing about the whole thing , 803 00:46:27,952 --> 00:46:30,287 is that the conditions weren't good at all , 804 00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,581 but nobody seemed to care, you know. 805 00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:41,048 KRAMER When I think back on Woodstock, I just think, 806 00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:42,550 "I'm gonna shut myself up in 807 00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:46,721 "this little eight by eight portion of this tractor trailer, 808 00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:50,016 "and whatever happens, just try to get this stuff 809 00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:51,809 "on tape as best as I can ." 810 00:46:51,851 --> 00:46:53,436 He couldn't see anything. 811 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,397 All he could do was to listen and guess, 812 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,316 "I hear something through that mike, it must be here." 813 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,901 KRAMER As far as the gear was concerned, 814 00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,779 literally, it was a 12-channel console 815 00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,948 with a couple of Shure mixers stacked on top of it, 816 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:09,827 and one of the eight-track machines was in an orange crate. 817 00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:14,582 It was hung together with wire and string and chewing gum. 818 00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:18,961 And we were in the back corner of a tractor trailer, 819 00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:23,549 literally, maybe eight foot by eight foot, if that. 820 00:47:24,717 --> 00:47:26,969 And that's where I was stuck for the whole three days. 821 00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:31,766 He did not have 2 tracks that we have today, or 32 or 68. 822 00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,184 He had eight tracks, 823 00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:37,730 one of which was devoted , thankfully, to our sync signal. 824 00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,941 So, essentially, I'm dealing with seven channels of audio, 825 00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:43,027 which includes the audience 826 00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,821 and horns and vocals 827 00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:49,575 and drums and bass and guitars and everything else, so... 828 00:48:05,466 --> 00:48:09,470 After the first number, the first act, 829 00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:12,264 all communication was just in the toilet, 830 00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:15,434 because who knew what was going on after that? 831 00:48:15,476 --> 00:48:21,732 So we had to utilize the first song of each set 832 00:48:21,774 --> 00:48:28,322 as the sort of trial by fire and trial by error. 833 00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,200 It was complete chaos, but we did it. 834 00:48:31,283 --> 00:48:33,077 I mean , you know, that was the challenge. 835 00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:40,084 Ladies and gentlemen, the Sha Na Na! Harold, turn up the mike. 836 00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:51,470 If we hadn't been at Woodstock, 837 00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:55,808 I don't think Sha Na Na would've had any of the success it's had. 838 00:48:55,891 --> 00:48:59,645 They were, I think, completely shocked when I booked them. 839 00:48:59,812 --> 00:49:02,857 I think that they didn't really take it seriously. 840 00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:06,026 I saw them at The Scene, Steve Paul's club, 841 00:49:06,068 --> 00:49:09,655 and I thought, "You know, what a great light moment this would be ! " 842 00:49:09,697 --> 00:49:14,034 And you know, kind of a nod to the rock and roll roots that we all had , 843 00:49:14,076 --> 00:49:15,452 so I thought it would be fun for everybody. 844 00:49:15,536 --> 00:49:18,038 I mean , you can't get too heavy all the time, so... 845 00:49:18,122 --> 00:49:21,542 Well , I have to say that the whole Sha Na Na career, 846 00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:24,086 celebrating our 40th, 847 00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,548 may not have ever happened. 848 00:49:27,631 --> 00:49:31,927 So we owe a ton to it, I think, more than any other act that was there. 849 00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:41,562 I've seen the world , and I've become very comfortable 850 00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,939 and thankful that I had this career, 851 00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:46,901 and it wouldn't have happened without Woodstock. 852 00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,195 And there was only one Woodstock. 853 00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,120 And it did change my life in that sense that 854 00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:00,706 the music also fixed me a certain way, 855 00:50:00,789 --> 00:50:02,124 seeing it performed that way, 856 00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:07,087 being right there with that music, hearing the sound go through you. 857 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:10,674 I'd always wanted to play music. I love music. 858 00:50:10,758 --> 00:50:14,428 And so it was a major factor 859 00:50:14,511 --> 00:50:17,640 in all my other work and my films and everything else. 860 00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:21,685 That was an extraordinary cathartic situation with that music. 861 00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:27,608 A very, very powerful , powerful feeling. 862 00:50:32,321 --> 00:50:35,866 Steve Ross and Ted Ashley had just taken over Warner Bros. 863 00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:39,828 And they had decided almost in a funny kind of way 864 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,958 that with all the movies that they saw that they had when they took over, 865 00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,418 that maybe they were gonna sell the studio. 866 00:50:46,502 --> 00:50:49,546 And Woodstock basically saved the studio, 867 00:50:49,588 --> 00:50:52,466 and became the fact that they made movies 868 00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:55,594 'cause of what happened to the Woodstock film. 869 00:50:55,678 --> 00:50:59,056 Well , several writers wrote that Woodstock saved the studio. 870 00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:02,977 At the time, several , Variety and others, 871 00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:07,147 said that this strange hippie piece and that... 872 00:51:07,189 --> 00:51:08,983 And by the way, I will say, 873 00:51:09,108 --> 00:51:11,819 one good thing was that once it became a hit, 874 00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,487 I had a wonderful experience 875 00:51:13,529 --> 00:51:15,990 traveling around the world with the film , 876 00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:19,702 able to speak about its politics and cultural significance. 877 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:24,790 I didn't think any of the musicians there expected it to be anything. 878 00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:26,333 And they just went along to play. 879 00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:28,961 And stoned as some of them were on one thing or another, 880 00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:31,046 there was no ulterior motive. 881 00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:35,259 And the audience turned up, not expecting anything. 882 00:51:35,301 --> 00:51:37,594 So the whole thing was a spontaneous thing , 883 00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:38,887 and the energy was there, 884 00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:40,681 and when you organize something , 885 00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:44,768 that thing can never be captured , never ever. 886 00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:46,312 That's the difference. 887 00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,647 And I think that's why people find it fascinating. 888 00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:01,493 LANG: It's been very gratifying, you know. 889 00:52:01,577 --> 00:52:04,371 I'm delighted to have been affiliated with it. 890 00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:11,420 It obviously took the energies of lots of people, 891 00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:16,508 and I'm certainly eternally grateful to all of them. 892 00:52:17,509 --> 00:52:18,552 It was a very special time, 893 00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:20,929 and I was thrilled to be a part of making it happen 894 00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:22,890 and thrilled to be a part of it happening. 895 00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,184 So, it's always been gratifying. 896 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:28,270 I mean , I've spoken to lots of people over the years, 897 00:52:28,354 --> 00:52:31,148 and I can't tell you how many times people tell me 898 00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:33,025 that it changed their lives in a very positive way. 899 00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,693 So it's very gratifying. 900 00:52:34,735 --> 00:52:36,612 It's a great, great festival. 901 00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:39,698 One of the best there's ever been. 902 00:52:40,032 --> 00:52:43,660 I think it is the most important rock and roll show in history. 903 00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:50,834 It is the symbolism of Woodstock that is so much alive today 904 00:52:51,335 --> 00:52:53,379 that can be carried forward 905 00:52:53,462 --> 00:52:58,759 and it can be replicated , duplicated , implemented 906 00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:04,098 by every individual, whether they went, whether they saw it, 907 00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:07,518 whether they raise their hand saying they were there and they weren't. 908 00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,940 Those people who are encased in the spirit, infused with the spirit 909 00:53:12,981 --> 00:53:15,692 and the essence of what Woodstock represented. 910 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,654 I mean , it did have an impact. It had an impact. 911 00:53:18,737 --> 00:53:21,824 And I think maybe it was because that many people gathered together. 912 00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:26,703 They were all kind of the hippie culture, if you like. 913 00:53:27,496 --> 00:53:29,289 And there wasn't that much trouble. 914 00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:32,459 We think the people of this country should be proud of these kids. 915 00:53:32,501 --> 00:53:35,462 Notwithstanding the way they dress or the way they wear their hair, 916 00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:37,297 that's their own personal business. 917 00:53:37,381 --> 00:53:41,343 But their inner workings, their inner selves, 918 00:53:41,427 --> 00:53:44,638 their self-demeanor cannot be questioned. 919 00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:46,682 I thought, "My God , we were just.. ." 920 00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:51,478 Everyone was so sweet and nice, and what was so threatening about that? 921 00:53:51,562 --> 00:53:55,149 But you know, people were smoking pot on camera, 922 00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,652 and there were people who were undressed in the middle of a meadow 923 00:53:58,777 --> 00:54:02,573 and bathing nude in a lake. But, come on, I mean, really. 924 00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:04,575 Everyone was just having a wonderful time. 925 00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:05,909 Woodstock was unique. 926 00:54:05,951 --> 00:54:10,539 It was a unique place, time, 927 00:54:12,416 --> 00:54:16,128 coming together of all of these various artists. 928 00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:20,757 The fact that economically, socially, 929 00:54:20,841 --> 00:54:25,804 it was a very, very traumatic time. 930 00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:30,684 And look at all these people. Half a million kids, 931 00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:34,605 adults, children coming together in one place at one time, 932 00:54:34,688 --> 00:54:38,484 becoming a huge city virtually overnight. Peaceful. 933 00:54:38,984 --> 00:54:41,653 The Summer of Love and Woodstock were the beginning 934 00:54:41,737 --> 00:54:48,285 of a decade of celebration that was almost Eden-like. 935 00:54:52,164 --> 00:54:55,250 And then we were kicked out of the garden. 936 00:54:56,919 --> 00:54:58,086 Over the years, 937 00:55:01,048 --> 00:55:03,926 there's a real sour grapes attitude 938 00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:08,972 towards Woodstock, towards the time, towards the sensibility. 939 00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:15,103 It's easy to make fun of because it was kind of the last time when 940 00:55:16,146 --> 00:55:21,068 a group so large, a demographic so large could be so sincere 941 00:55:21,652 --> 00:55:25,072 and uncynical about what they were doing. 942 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,492 The legacy of Woodstock is the legacy of possibilities. 943 00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:33,914 What Woodstock proved is that human beings 944 00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:35,374 are capable of so much more 945 00:55:35,415 --> 00:55:38,210 than they ever, ever reach into themselves and do. 946 00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:43,090 I just think in any of these anniversaries, 947 00:55:44,758 --> 00:55:47,803 and I think as you get further away, now at 40, 948 00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:51,557 and you look back at it, it just shows the importance of it. 949 00:55:52,808 --> 00:55:53,809 It's still important. 950 00:55:54,393 --> 00:55:59,273 I think that they will get a glimpse of a time that was very hopeful, 951 00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:01,942 in a world that was very much like the one we're living in today, 952 00:56:02,109 --> 00:56:03,735 you know, unpopular war, 953 00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:06,989 and the Earth being wounded as it is today. 954 00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:11,827 All the things that the '60s sort of brought to the fore 955 00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:16,582 seem to be coming back to haunt us now, 956 00:56:16,665 --> 00:56:17,666 'cause we didn't listen then. 957 00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:20,586 Yes, it did have a huge impact on the world , I think. 958 00:56:21,545 --> 00:56:27,217 And I think the movie gives an example, a taste of what it was like in that era. 959 00:56:27,718 --> 00:56:29,052 I think the legacy of Woodstock 960 00:56:29,094 --> 00:56:30,971 was that it was a peaceful event. 961 00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:33,932 That we showed , even though we were revolutionary and stuff, 962 00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:37,561 that we showed that you didn't need guns and you didn't need power. 963 00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:40,480 And all we needed was music and to dance and to love one another. 964 00:56:41,607 --> 00:56:43,358 Of course, it's changed nothing. 965 00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:48,572 We've still got world wars going on and poverty and one thing and another. 966 00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,949 But we thought we could change the world , yeah. 967 00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:52,117 We hoped we could. 968 00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,370 And I think, to a certain extent, we gave a lot of people hope. 969 00:57:13,055 --> 00:57:16,183 We had shot everything with 16mm, 970 00:57:16,308 --> 00:57:20,062 but we knew we wanted to go to the 70mm format, 971 00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:24,066 because we had experienced 70mm sound, 972 00:57:24,149 --> 00:57:27,110 where you had four channels behind the screen 973 00:57:27,194 --> 00:57:28,487 and two in the rear. 974 00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:30,155 So we wanted to take advantage of that. 975 00:57:30,197 --> 00:57:33,158 Well , we worked out with Eastman and other people 976 00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:35,827 how we could go from 16 mm , 977 00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:40,707 blow up to 70 in the most efficient way possible, 978 00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:42,668 which was a miracle in itself 979 00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:46,213 Imagine! 16mm is just tiny. 980 00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:49,800 And here, we were going for a 70mm release. 981 00:57:49,841 --> 00:57:51,343 The KEMs enabled us to do that, 982 00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:55,722 because, how do you mark where you want an image to go? 983 00:57:56,765 --> 00:58:02,354 Et's say you don't even want a full frame of one of your 16mm images, 984 00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:03,689 let's say the left frame. 985 00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,316 But you want to select a portion of that. 986 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,694 Well, we simply figured out an XY grid. 987 00:58:08,777 --> 00:58:12,322 For vertical numbers, we had one through 20, or whatever, 988 00:58:12,364 --> 00:58:13,532 one through 80. 989 00:58:13,615 --> 00:58:15,951 And then, horizontal numbers. 990 00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:18,912 And then, you would simply write, it was a description, 991 00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:21,540 from this point, this sized image. 992 00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:24,668 We then wanted to blow it up to the 70mm 993 00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:27,003 in that quadrant of the 70. 994 00:58:27,087 --> 00:58:29,715 And of course, it was not that precise. 995 00:58:29,798 --> 00:58:34,678 So we would give it to the optical people, they'd give it a try 996 00:58:34,761 --> 00:58:37,347 and then we'd do readjustments from there. 997 00:58:37,431 --> 00:58:39,057 The technicians at the time, 998 00:58:39,141 --> 00:58:42,811 these old guys who were now our age, right? 999 00:58:42,853 --> 00:58:44,271 Seventy years old and so on , 1000 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,607 who had been around the movie industry all their lives. 1001 00:58:47,691 --> 00:58:50,777 They just loved it, and they were so helpful to us. 1002 00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:54,156 They loved the challenge of being able to do, 1003 00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,326 with rock and roll and these modern young kids, 1004 00:58:58,368 --> 00:59:01,663 to take this technical challenge of how to get it to the theater 1005 00:59:01,788 --> 00:59:03,123 so that it looks really cool. 1006 00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,543 But from front to back, it was all an experimentation. 1007 00:59:06,626 --> 00:59:10,589 No one had done what we had done with those machines 1008 00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:12,758 or with the shooting up until that point. 1009 00:59:12,841 --> 00:59:14,593 And of course they then devoted 1010 00:59:14,676 --> 00:59:18,013 a whole issue of American Cinematographer to us. 1011 00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:20,807 Many other technical journals just describing 1012 00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:24,227 how, technologically, Woodstock had come about. 1013 00:59:24,686 --> 00:59:29,107 But then , of course, what all of us were going for was an aesthetic. 1014 00:59:29,191 --> 00:59:32,527 The technology was a means to producing 1015 00:59:32,611 --> 00:59:35,989 what we felt was going to be a real involving experience. 1016 00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:43,997 It broke all sorts of new ground , and the critics loved it, 1017 00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,795 and , you know, we were able to really pioneer multiple image 1018 00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:54,090 and a new way that rock and roll and documentaries were shot. 1019 00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:56,760 We mentioned that, you know, Roger Ebert said 1020 00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:58,804 maybe it was the greatest documentary ever made, 1021 00:59:58,929 --> 01:00:00,597 and others did as well. 1022 01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:01,932 I thought it was overwhelming. 1023 01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:06,895 Yeah , I think one of the things that 1024 01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:11,191 is most fortunate, is that 1025 01:00:12,526 --> 01:00:14,277 that film exists 1026 01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,367 that captured the real sense of that remarkable weekend. 1027 01:00:21,785 --> 01:00:24,830 And it's a phenomenal documentary. 1028 01:00:25,205 --> 01:00:28,500 Pauline Kael was head of the Critics Association , 1029 01:00:28,542 --> 01:00:30,961 so she came in to see the movie, 1030 01:00:31,002 --> 01:00:33,296 and she was no hippie at all. 1031 01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:38,009 And we were all like, "Oh , my goodness, you know, she's a super-critic." 1032 01:00:38,093 --> 01:00:43,306 Well , she loved the thing , I mean , just thought it was great film making , 1033 01:00:43,348 --> 01:00:47,853 and slow but surely, a number of people came and gave us... 1034 01:00:47,894 --> 01:00:51,898 Not that we lacked the confidence, but I have to admit, I was really nervous, 1035 01:00:51,982 --> 01:00:54,442 because it's like having a hit on your hands, 1036 01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:58,989 and are you gonna blow it, you know, are you just gonna make it worse? 1037 01:00:59,114 --> 01:01:00,907 What surprised me was how well they captured it. 1038 01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,744 That that movie really, in three and a half hours, 1039 01:01:04,828 --> 01:01:08,373 gave you a good sense of what that weekend was like for us. 1040 01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,336 And it wasn't just from sort of a typical documentary point of view, 1041 01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:15,547 it really brought you in. 1042 01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:18,842 I think once it came and we saw it at the movies, 1043 01:01:18,925 --> 01:01:22,178 you know, the opening of it, which we saw in New York, 1044 01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:23,597 it was very interesting because 1045 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,807 it was the first time that they used three cameras. 1046 01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:28,018 It's a damn good documentary, you know. 1047 01:01:28,101 --> 01:01:29,769 It's a good piece of reporting. 1048 01:01:29,936 --> 01:01:35,525 It's not journalistic, you know, to me, it doesn't appear to have a view, 1049 01:01:35,609 --> 01:01:37,027 you know, from the director's point of view. 1050 01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:39,279 Many people also talked about point of view, 1051 01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:43,700 that it was a revolutionary way to convey film making , 1052 01:01:43,783 --> 01:01:48,455 you know, from the documentary and from the musical points of view, 1053 01:01:48,496 --> 01:01:52,167 that it gave you a real sense of, not only being there, 1054 01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:54,961 but also making intellectual connections 1055 01:01:55,003 --> 01:01:58,298 and emotional connections between material 1056 01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:00,926 through the use of the multi image. 1057 01:02:01,009 --> 01:02:03,595 Because like, why would 300, 000 or 120, 000, 60, 000, 1058 01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:07,474 70, 000 people come to anything just because it's music? 1059 01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:12,062 I mean , was music all that important? I don't really think so. 1060 01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:14,856 People don't know. They don't know how to live, 1061 01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:16,024 and they don't know what to do, 1062 01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:18,860 and they think that if they can come here they can find out, 1063 01:02:18,902 --> 01:02:22,781 you know, what it is, or how to maintain with it. 1064 01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:24,866 It's just like people are very lost, I think. 1065 01:02:25,033 --> 01:02:27,535 I'd been up to the editing lot 1066 01:02:27,619 --> 01:02:29,204 when they were in New York several times 1067 01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:33,208 and watched this unbelievable amount of footage, 1068 01:02:33,249 --> 01:02:35,335 trying to get reduced into 1069 01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:39,339 what ended up being , I think, three and a half hours. 1070 01:02:39,381 --> 01:02:44,678 It was a monumental task, and they did a brilliant job. 1071 01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,430 Even though we ran out of film , you know, a bunch of times, 1072 01:02:47,514 --> 01:02:50,850 and had to conserve, not shoot so many acts 1073 01:02:50,934 --> 01:02:54,980 or at least the totality of some of the acts they should've shot, 1074 01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:58,566 but given the circumstance and given what they had to do, 1075 01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:00,318 it was phenomenal. 1076 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,489 I was certainly bent on not just making a music film , 1077 01:03:04,531 --> 01:03:09,661 and as you know, every single song was put in for its lyrical value, 1078 01:03:09,703 --> 01:03:12,580 you know, not just its musical value. 1079 01:03:12,664 --> 01:03:14,708 We didn't select songs that were hits, 1080 01:03:14,791 --> 01:03:19,379 we tried to use the lyrics as poets would to tell a story. 1081 01:03:19,838 --> 01:03:22,173 In America, it was a gigantic movie, 1082 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:24,718 and the theaters were full every night that it was on. 1083 01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:29,597 People started sitting down , but then , as soon as the image came on , 1084 01:03:29,681 --> 01:03:32,475 "Been a long time coming ," or Sidney Westerfeld saying ... 1085 01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,227 My name is Sidney Westerfeld. 1086 01:03:34,269 --> 01:03:38,606 I'm the owner of this antique tavern in Mongaup Valley, New York State. 1087 01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:41,151 The whole theater would get up en masse, 1088 01:03:41,192 --> 01:03:43,695 and they wouldn't sit down for three hours. 1089 01:03:43,737 --> 01:03:47,073 It was amazing. Just amazing. 1090 01:03:47,365 --> 01:03:49,826 Watching the film was really wonderful. 1091 01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:54,122 I was standing in the back, watching people's reactions 1092 01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:56,374 and the sequences, the edited sequences. 1093 01:03:56,458 --> 01:03:58,126 The music is so wonderful. 1094 01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,253 And people really reacted strongly. 1095 01:04:00,336 --> 01:04:06,426 It was almost like being at the festival again , in a way, 1096 01:04:06,593 --> 01:04:08,845 but in a more comfortable position. 1097 01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:13,349 It had become another myth. 1098 01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:19,105 We had our own myth that we communally experienced. 1099 01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:22,275 And then there was the movie, which was magnificent. 1100 01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,988 It is the essence of Woodstock, too. 1101 01:04:27,405 --> 01:04:31,826 If another film director had been there, who was strictly interested in the music, 1102 01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:34,913 and who had simply done the hits, 1103 01:04:34,996 --> 01:04:41,753 you know, it really could have been quite a different sort of movie 1104 01:04:41,836 --> 01:04:44,422 that wouldn't have had the kind of outreach , 1105 01:04:44,506 --> 01:04:47,842 but because I was a documentarian and , 1106 01:04:47,884 --> 01:04:49,886 well, I had photographed Martin uther King 1107 01:04:49,928 --> 01:04:55,016 and Bobby Kennedy and the great movers and shakers of the '60s 1108 01:04:55,058 --> 01:04:57,185 then, all of that kind of resonated, 1109 01:04:57,227 --> 01:05:01,981 and hopefully, showed up in the movie. 1110 01:05:02,315 --> 01:05:05,276 People were dancing in the aisles at this press screening , 1111 01:05:06,569 --> 01:05:09,072 which validated what we were saying. 1112 01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:12,784 And I'll never forget Ted Ashley, the head of Warner Bros. , 1113 01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:15,912 came up behind me, and we were at such a war at that point that... 1114 01:05:15,995 --> 01:05:17,747 And he touched me on the shoulder, and I jumped , 1115 01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:20,250 and he said , "You were right." 1116 01:05:20,333 --> 01:05:21,709 Which was great. Yeah. 1117 01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:24,462 And then , of course, the film did become very successful. 1118 01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:29,008 To look at those people, in their prime, now, 1119 01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:33,763 I certainly do think it holds up. 1120 01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:36,432 It's a wonderful document. 1121 01:05:57,662 --> 01:06:00,415 The Hog Farm commune were a bunch of misfits 1122 01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:04,752 all living together, helping each other out, experiencing life together. 1123 01:06:04,836 --> 01:06:06,880 It was a beautiful commune. 1124 01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:09,299 We were approached by Stan Goldstein. 1125 01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:11,134 And Stan , "Well , how would you like to do 1126 01:06:11,217 --> 01:06:14,345 "this music festival in New York state?" 1127 01:06:14,429 --> 01:06:17,640 And we said , "Well , we're gonna be in New Mexico." 1128 01:06:17,724 --> 01:06:21,978 And he said , "That's all right. We'll fly you in an astro-jet." 1129 01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:24,898 And we figured he was like one toke over the line, 1130 01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:26,316 and we thought nothing of it. 1131 01:06:26,399 --> 01:06:28,860 The phone rings, and it's Bonnie Jean Romney 1132 01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,029 saying they want us to come with the Hog Farm 1133 01:06:31,112 --> 01:06:33,615 and to work there at Woodstock 1134 01:06:33,698 --> 01:06:36,618 and help with the food and all that stuff they do. 1135 01:06:36,701 --> 01:06:38,161 The Hog Farm , in a way, 1136 01:06:38,244 --> 01:06:40,997 set the vibe for all of these people. 1137 01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:47,295 So everybody kind of had the same easygoing, non-authoritarian attitudes. 1138 01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,507 We set up a free kitchen that we were feeding, 1139 01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:54,093 not the multitudes in any way, 1140 01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:57,305 but we were able to cover the people that were really stuck 1141 01:06:57,347 --> 01:06:58,806 and didn't have anything. 1142 01:06:59,974 --> 01:07:02,852 I got a truck and I went to the nearby farmers 1143 01:07:02,936 --> 01:07:05,647 and bought their entire farm. 1144 01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:08,775 I said , "Give me that row of cabbage. 1145 01:07:08,816 --> 01:07:10,985 "Give me that row of corn . Give me that row of tomatoes." 1146 01:07:11,361 --> 01:07:13,655 After Woodstock got started 1147 01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:15,907 and we realized how many people there were, 1148 01:07:16,074 --> 01:07:19,452 we had to go back and forth to New York and get more food. 1149 01:07:20,828 --> 01:07:22,705 Having come totally unprepared 1150 01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:24,791 and having just turned 16, 1151 01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:28,169 I became hungry and was right there at the free kitchen. 1152 01:07:29,003 --> 01:07:31,547 We were doing maybe 5, 000 people a meal 1153 01:07:31,631 --> 01:07:34,300 with bulgur wheat, with salad , stuff like that. 1154 01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:37,595 SI PP If you were coming to eat, you were also gonna help out. 1155 01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:39,764 And I loved it. I loved being part of that group. 1156 01:07:39,847 --> 01:07:41,599 And they became my family, too. 1157 01:07:41,683 --> 01:07:45,478 The Hog Farm did set up what we called "freak-out centers." 1158 01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:50,775 People who had taken acid for the first time or something like that. 1159 01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:54,529 We already knew in the Hog Farm experience that 1160 01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:56,948 you could always talk somebody down. 1161 01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,702 We didn't want them giving the trippers Thorazine, 1162 01:08:01,286 --> 01:08:05,039 because if you give somebody Thorazine, it stops their trip and knocks them out. 1163 01:08:05,665 --> 01:08:07,333 We wanted them to finish their trip. 1164 01:08:08,251 --> 01:08:11,713 SI PP As soon as somebody was able to be verbal again, 1165 01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,048 they would become the doctor for the next person. 1166 01:08:14,132 --> 01:08:17,719 What happened in these freak-out centers, at the free kitchen , 1167 01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:20,680 was that in the same way the early volunteers had come 1168 01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:23,099 and just pitched in and kind of become Hog Farmers, 1169 01:08:23,808 --> 01:08:26,602 the people who got over their demons with LSD 1170 01:08:26,686 --> 01:08:28,396 or came to the kitchen , 1171 01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,231 they basically wanted to stay and help. 1172 01:08:30,315 --> 01:08:32,275 And I think that's what happened at Woodstock 1173 01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:35,403 is that everybody respected everybody else. 1174 01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:38,281 Once you're a Hog Farmer, you're always a Hog Farmer. 1175 01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:42,076 Even if you were only a Hog Farmer for a week at Woodstock, 1176 01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,786 you're still always a Hog Farmer. 1177 01:08:46,497 --> 01:08:48,207 I came out to California 1178 01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:53,338 and in '68 and '69 did a show called Playboy After Dark. 1179 01:08:54,422 --> 01:08:57,091 It was a syndicated variety show. 1180 01:08:58,926 --> 01:09:02,138 The premise of which was that 1181 01:09:02,221 --> 01:09:05,683 instead of doing a variety show on a stage in front of an audience, 1182 01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:07,977 it appeared to be my apartment. 1183 01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:10,521 It appeared to be a party in my apartment. 1184 01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,693 And we devoted one entire show to Woodstock. 1185 01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:20,448 We got a response to the Vietnam War, we got the civil rights movement. 1186 01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:23,284 And all of that came together with the Summer of Love. 1187 01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:27,789 And that gave us Woodstock. 1188 01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:30,500 And Woodstock was a celebration of all of that. 1189 01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:33,336 The flower children , the hippies 1190 01:09:35,088 --> 01:09:38,966 and , you know, the corny 1191 01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:45,640 but still very pertinent notion of "Let's make love, not war." 1192 01:09:45,723 --> 01:09:50,103 And that, in combination with the music, is what Woodstock was all about. 1193 01:09:51,437 --> 01:09:52,605 As you may have overheard , 1194 01:09:52,688 --> 01:09:55,066 we're going to have a kind of a special evening tonight. 1195 01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,027 A lot of our people here, our guests, are into the contemporary scene 1196 01:09:58,111 --> 01:09:59,821 and a few of them , well ahead of it. 1197 01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:01,197 But to really top the evening off, 1198 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,242 we're going to have clips from Woodstock, the film. 1199 01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:08,746 In preparation for that show, for Playboy After Dark, 1200 01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:14,460 and knowing that we were going to be devoting a show to Woodstock, 1201 01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:20,425 because I had not seen the movie and I had not been at Woodstock. 1202 01:10:20,508 --> 01:10:24,220 I was going with a young lady who was a regular on the show 1203 01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,263 named Barbi Benton , 1204 01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:28,307 a relationship that lasted for about eight years. 1205 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,312 And we went out to a post-midnight show 1206 01:10:35,148 --> 01:10:40,111 and saw it the night before we did the Playboy After Dark show 1207 01:10:40,194 --> 01:10:42,947 so that I would be prepared to do the interview. 1208 01:10:49,954 --> 01:10:54,792 All right, that is one brief clip of several we're going to show tonight 1209 01:10:54,876 --> 01:10:57,253 from what I consider to be 1210 01:10:57,295 --> 01:11:00,214 one of the really remarkable documentaries of our time, 1211 01:11:01,174 --> 01:11:06,095 Woodstock, which is a film by Mike Wadleigh , 1212 01:11:06,179 --> 01:11:08,514 who is here with us tonight. 1213 01:11:08,598 --> 01:11:10,725 -And I'm delighted to have you here, Mike. -Thanks a lot. 1214 01:11:10,808 --> 01:11:13,936 And most of you have probably not had a chance to see the film yet. 1215 01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:16,898 Barbi and I went in and saw it a few nights ago. 1216 01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:20,735 And I want to say in front, before we talk about the film , that... 1217 01:11:20,776 --> 01:11:22,195 I think you've all heard about Woodstock. 1218 01:11:22,236 --> 01:11:24,530 Woodstock was, as you know, 1219 01:11:24,614 --> 01:11:28,117 the most spectacular love-and-music festival of our time. 1220 01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:32,538 And the film that Mike and his people have managed to make from it 1221 01:11:33,456 --> 01:11:37,251 is unbelievable and , I think, really sets a new precedent 1222 01:11:37,335 --> 01:11:39,128 for what documentary films ought to be all about, 1223 01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:42,965 because both cinematically and from a sound point of view, 1224 01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:45,343 it's a real experience. 1225 01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:47,428 And it must've been something else trying to do it. 1226 01:11:47,762 --> 01:11:48,930 Well , it was, in a way, 1227 01:11:49,013 --> 01:11:51,766 but the best thing about making films like this 1228 01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:53,267 is that you're participating. 1229 01:11:53,351 --> 01:11:58,439 I mean , it's not a sense of doing a job or making a constructed Hollywood film , 1230 01:11:58,564 --> 01:12:02,151 where you have scripts and makeup people and all that. 1231 01:12:02,485 --> 01:12:04,904 I mean , you just go there, participate and do it. 1232 01:12:04,987 --> 01:12:10,284 And come away with a sense of vitality or a sense of reality of being there. 1233 01:12:10,868 --> 01:12:14,830 And in every way, we were trying to make an experience film , 1234 01:12:14,872 --> 01:12:16,249 the kind of substitute experience 1235 01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,543 for those people who were there or who weren't there. 1236 01:12:18,584 --> 01:12:19,627 It didn't matter. 1237 01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:22,004 I don't think anybody knew beforehand , however, 1238 01:12:22,088 --> 01:12:23,923 just how much of an experience it was going to be. 1239 01:12:24,215 --> 01:12:27,927 The whole phenomenon of opposition to the war 1240 01:12:28,052 --> 01:12:31,347 and a celebration of the music and a celebration of love 1241 01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:35,685 was one of a kind. 1242 01:12:35,768 --> 01:12:38,479 I mean , there's never been anything like it before or since. 1243 01:12:40,565 --> 01:12:45,444 And I think that it was a moment in history that is remembered clearly, 1244 01:12:45,778 --> 01:12:49,115 not only then , but now, or we wouldn't be talking about it. 1245 01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,660 HEFNER: And you , before the fact, must've had a notion 1246 01:12:52,743 --> 01:12:55,538 it was going to be something special or you wouldn't have been there, but... 1247 01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:59,875 Well , just like you saw in this film clip, I think what attracted most of us there 1248 01:12:59,959 --> 01:13:03,462 was the idea of holding a rock festival on a big farm. 1249 01:13:03,588 --> 01:13:06,632 I mean , it was like going to your uncle's farm on a weekend , okay, 1250 01:13:07,758 --> 01:13:10,886 and with a big transistor radio in the form of 36 rock groups. 1251 01:13:10,928 --> 01:13:13,014 The farm looked a little different after it was all over. 1252 01:13:13,055 --> 01:13:17,268 What, it was something between 00, 000 and 500, 000 people 1253 01:13:17,351 --> 01:13:18,978 congregated in the area. 1254 01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:22,565 Well , they say that better than half a million more 1255 01:13:22,607 --> 01:13:24,025 tried to make it there. 1256 01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:27,278 I understand they were blocking the highways 1257 01:13:27,361 --> 01:13:29,322 100 and more miles away 1258 01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,032 to stop the people from getting there. 1259 01:13:31,115 --> 01:13:32,450 Exactly. They closed ... 1260 01:13:32,533 --> 01:13:34,952 The New York State Thruway is eight lanes wide, 1261 01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:38,497 and they closed it all off and turned them all back in the other direction. 1262 01:13:39,081 --> 01:13:42,752 I have a strong music connection. 1263 01:13:44,879 --> 01:13:46,714 And the show itself featured 1264 01:13:46,756 --> 01:13:49,759 a combination of both jazz and rock and roll. 1265 01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:55,723 And music was key to what the show was all about. 1266 01:13:55,806 --> 01:13:59,268 It was a variety show that had humor and some conversation , 1267 01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:00,645 but music was key. 1268 01:14:01,062 --> 01:14:03,814 One of the most remarkable things about this particular event, 1269 01:14:03,939 --> 01:14:06,942 beyond its just incredible size, 1270 01:14:07,318 --> 01:14:09,195 was also the fact that these kids got together 1271 01:14:09,236 --> 01:14:11,614 under rather incredible circumstances. 1272 01:14:11,697 --> 01:14:14,241 Because of the size of the crowd , 1273 01:14:15,076 --> 01:14:17,953 there was completely inadequate living conditions, 1274 01:14:18,037 --> 01:14:23,292 food , sanitation , and they also ran into bad weather. 1275 01:14:23,584 --> 01:14:25,419 No, I was glad I wasn't there, 1276 01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:29,799 but I don't think I would've enjoyed all the mud. 1277 01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:33,427 And the actual circumstances 1278 01:14:33,511 --> 01:14:37,515 of living there for those several days 1279 01:14:39,141 --> 01:14:43,187 was pretty rough and ready, and I'm not an outdoor guy. 1280 01:14:43,229 --> 01:14:48,401 I created the magazine and my life as a celebration of the great indoors. 1281 01:14:49,151 --> 01:14:53,406 But I think that the message, in terms of Woodstock, 1282 01:14:53,447 --> 01:14:54,990 was something I very much believed in. 1283 01:14:55,783 --> 01:14:58,119 And there was a very open and permissive attitude 1284 01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,539 towards both drugs and sex during the period they were staying there, 1285 01:15:01,622 --> 01:15:03,958 -and yet there was no violence. -Right. 1286 01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:06,419 -No violence at all . -Well. .. Excuse me, 1287 01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:09,296 it was like one of the guys says in the film. 1288 01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:12,508 There are a couple of adults arguing and one of them says to the other, 1289 01:15:12,591 --> 01:15:16,053 "Now, can you imagine 50, 000 adults getting together 1290 01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:19,056 -"with beer at any place.. ." -Right. 1291 01:15:20,683 --> 01:15:25,771 There was a beautiful interview with a local police officer 1292 01:15:26,564 --> 01:15:30,025 who said he thought the kids were swell and everybody was behaving themselves 1293 01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:31,569 and having a good time. 1294 01:15:31,652 --> 01:15:34,530 And the interviewer said , "Well , isn't that kind of a funny idea 1295 01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:36,157 "or a funny attitude for a cop?" 1296 01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:40,369 And he paused a moment, and he said , "I'm not a cop. I'm a police chief." 1297 01:15:41,787 --> 01:15:44,915 That got an applause, I must say, at the theater where I was at. 1298 01:15:44,999 --> 01:15:47,251 You know, the kind of things, including the rain 1299 01:15:47,334 --> 01:15:51,922 and the circumstances that they faced out there in the country, 1300 01:15:52,006 --> 01:15:54,133 not only didn't get in their way, it seemed to add to the fun. 1301 01:15:54,175 --> 01:15:56,010 Yeah. I mean , most people... 1302 01:15:56,051 --> 01:15:58,679 This is what it means to make this kind of a film. 1303 01:15:58,763 --> 01:16:01,807 Because most guys would've run for cover and put their cameras away. 1304 01:16:01,849 --> 01:16:05,644 But our people got out in the mud and , as you know, there are later shots 1305 01:16:05,686 --> 01:16:08,147 where the cameraman actually slides with his camera, 1306 01:16:08,773 --> 01:16:10,316 point-of-view shots. 1307 01:16:10,357 --> 01:16:13,110 But that was the whole thing that I mean about participating. 1308 01:16:13,152 --> 01:16:16,989 There wasn't a separation between the people who were making the film 1309 01:16:17,072 --> 01:16:18,699 and the people who were in front of the cameras. 1310 01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:21,535 I mean , it was all a rapport situation. 1311 01:16:21,619 --> 01:16:23,454 You were very good about showing both sides, 1312 01:16:23,496 --> 01:16:25,790 but an amazing number of people in the community, 1313 01:16:25,831 --> 01:16:29,418 the people there pitched in when they found out 1314 01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:31,045 that kids were there and didn't have anything to eat. 1315 01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:32,755 They pitched in and brought food to the kids, 1316 01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:34,840 set up additional sanitation facilities. 1317 01:16:36,175 --> 01:16:39,428 The love-festival aspect of it and the spiritual aspect of it, 1318 01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:40,805 -I think, did come across. - And ... 1319 01:16:40,888 --> 01:16:43,015 How much footage did you shoot? 1320 01:16:43,098 --> 01:16:45,351 We shot a quarter of a million feet, 1321 01:16:46,477 --> 01:16:48,646 which is about 120 hours. 1322 01:16:48,771 --> 01:16:52,775 And then the film is three hours long , but with all the multiple images added up, 1323 01:16:52,858 --> 01:16:54,401 it's really eight hours long. 1324 01:16:54,485 --> 01:16:56,403 So, we used a lot of footage. 1325 01:16:57,571 --> 01:17:00,574 Well , the one thing that I alluded to at the beginning 1326 01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:03,244 that I wanna really say again is that I think that this, 1327 01:17:03,327 --> 01:17:05,788 not only is the most remarkable documentary 1328 01:17:05,871 --> 01:17:07,373 done on this particular subject 1329 01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:12,962 that I have ever seen , but I think it also sets a new precedent 1330 01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:16,757 in terms of what one can expect in the way of documentaries in the future 1331 01:17:16,841 --> 01:17:19,385 in terms of excellence of photography and sound. 1332 01:17:19,885 --> 01:17:22,388 -Thank you . -This is the first time that we've had 1333 01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:27,601 a chance to meet, and I want to thank you for coming this evening 1334 01:17:27,685 --> 01:17:30,646 and for bringing this film and allowing us to show it on the air. 1335 01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:32,690 Because I think that the kids enjoyed it here 1336 01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,984 and the folks at home enjoyed it. 1337 01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:40,698 And I want to personally recommend to everyone, young and old , 1338 01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:43,993 this film which I think is one of the most important motion pictures 1339 01:17:44,034 --> 01:17:45,119 you're going to see in quite a while. 1340 01:17:45,786 --> 01:17:50,374 One of the things that is most fortunate 1341 01:17:50,499 --> 01:17:57,131 is that that film exists that captured the real sense 1342 01:17:57,214 --> 01:18:00,593 of that remarkable weekend. 1343 01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:06,473 And it's a phenomenal documentary. 1344 01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:21,697 I think the two seminal events from 1969 1345 01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:24,742 were the moon landing and Woodstock, one could say. 1346 01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:28,787 And they were both such romantic, improbable, 1347 01:18:28,913 --> 01:18:31,540 glorious, innocent events in some sense. 1348 01:18:31,624 --> 01:18:33,709 We were in Bethel. 1349 01:18:33,751 --> 01:18:38,756 By that point, we took over a small motel for a while. 1350 01:18:38,839 --> 01:18:42,176 I got us a television so we could watch the moon landing. 1351 01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:44,678 I certainly remember where I was. 1352 01:18:44,762 --> 01:18:47,848 I was making a mountain-climbing film at the time, way out in the mountains, 1353 01:18:47,932 --> 01:18:49,058 and I came out of the mountains 1354 01:18:49,141 --> 01:18:52,186 just in time to see the guys landing on the moon. 1355 01:18:52,269 --> 01:18:56,357 And we were in a bar in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. 1356 01:18:56,398 --> 01:18:59,568 And , God ! We'd go out and look up at the real moon 1357 01:18:59,610 --> 01:19:02,404 and look at the TV and think, "Oh , my God! 1358 01:19:02,488 --> 01:19:04,239 "Isn't this just remarkable?" 1359 01:19:05,532 --> 01:19:07,868 That's one small step for man, 1360 01:19:10,621 --> 01:19:13,415 one giant leap for mankind. 1361 01:19:14,917 --> 01:19:16,835 That looks beautiful from here, Neil. 1362 01:19:16,919 --> 01:19:21,131 Being this group of conspiracy-theory, 1363 01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:24,885 counterculture, nothing-is-what-you-see people, 1364 01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:27,012 no one believed it was happening. 1365 01:19:27,429 --> 01:19:31,225 And I had gotten them the television to watch a thing that 1366 01:19:31,266 --> 01:19:33,644 they felt was being done in a sound studio. 1367 01:19:33,894 --> 01:19:35,646 But that was kind of wonderful , too. 1368 01:19:35,854 --> 01:19:37,523 And then just a little while later, 1369 01:19:37,564 --> 01:19:40,192 there I was, standing on the stage at Woodstock. 1370 01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:44,321 And I remember when each day the New York Times banner came in , 1371 01:19:44,363 --> 01:19:45,698 and we got the biggest... 1372 01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:49,618 We got as much width as the moon landing got, right. 1373 01:19:49,702 --> 01:19:52,871 And of course, it's a famous story that the New York Times 1374 01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:56,542 carefully analyzes whether you're worth the whole width or not. 1375 01:19:56,625 --> 01:20:00,045 Well , we got the whole width. 1376 01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:02,381 And I just remember, 1377 01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:05,384 for me, standing there looking at the moon and so on 1378 01:20:05,426 --> 01:20:08,137 and standing there looking at all those people 1379 01:20:08,178 --> 01:20:10,514 and those incredible musicians. 1380 01:20:10,597 --> 01:20:14,727 And isn't it interesting that, equally, we have not had another Woodstock 1381 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:16,770 and we have not had another moon landing. 1382 01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,733 And maybe, again, the economics of it all and the dream 1383 01:20:20,774 --> 01:20:25,738 and the idealism and so on that drove both events, I would say, 1384 01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,784 maybe now with money being so much tighter 1385 01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:34,830 and with calculation being so much tighter, 1386 01:20:34,872 --> 01:20:40,127 it's harder to launch those kind of idealistic endeavors. 1387 01:20:40,169 --> 01:20:41,920 But, boy, were they great. 1388 01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:50,429 The Woodstock Festival was going to take place 1389 01:20:50,512 --> 01:20:53,891 in Woodstock, New York, till they were kicked out. 1390 01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:57,061 Well , there wasn't an original location until down the road. 1391 01:20:57,144 --> 01:20:58,479 I mean , we were looking for quite a while. 1392 01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,521 BE They had been moving around. 1393 01:20:59,605 --> 01:21:00,647 I mean, these festival guys, 1394 01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:04,068 you know, had had three prior locations 1395 01:21:04,151 --> 01:21:07,738 announced on the radio, starting in March of 1969. 1396 01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:12,159 We finally settled on Wallkill at the end of March , 1397 01:21:13,911 --> 01:21:15,496 out of desperation , really. 1398 01:21:15,621 --> 01:21:17,456 And it was a site that I always hated. 1399 01:21:17,539 --> 01:21:21,460 It had the virtue of being there and being available, so we went for it. 1400 01:21:21,543 --> 01:21:23,045 We lost Wallkill. 1401 01:21:23,128 --> 01:21:24,463 It was kind of miraculous the way that happened. 1402 01:21:24,505 --> 01:21:30,302 We lost Wallkill on the 1 th or the 15th when the town council decided 1403 01:21:30,385 --> 01:21:33,305 that they were not going to approve our permit, 1404 01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:35,516 the permit they invented for this event. 1405 01:21:35,599 --> 01:21:40,562 And I found a better one on the 16th , a day later. 1406 01:21:40,604 --> 01:21:45,609 Well , we wound up there because somebody named Elliot Tiber called me 1407 01:21:45,692 --> 01:21:48,946 and said , "I have a site and a permit, and we want you ." 1408 01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:52,241 Met Elliot at the El Monaco Motel 1409 01:21:53,367 --> 01:21:56,537 right in the middle of the town of White Lake. 1410 01:21:56,578 --> 01:22:01,542 And Elliot led us down to a field behind the motel 1411 01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:07,005 that he and his parents operated , which from the rim looked beautiful. 1412 01:22:07,047 --> 01:22:11,802 As we walked down into it, it began to get squishy, 1413 01:22:11,844 --> 01:22:14,721 and then it got squishier, 1414 01:22:14,805 --> 01:22:17,891 and then we wound up in mud to our knees. 1415 01:22:17,975 --> 01:22:21,520 And Elliot had bugged out, Elliot had simply disappeared. 1416 01:22:21,687 --> 01:22:23,313 And that was the end of that site. 1417 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:27,151 I received a call through Elliot Tiber, 1418 01:22:27,234 --> 01:22:31,822 who said that there was this man , a fixer, 1419 01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:33,490 someone who's a go-between, 1420 01:22:33,574 --> 01:22:37,327 who puts this guy together with this guy and they make a deal. 1421 01:22:37,411 --> 01:22:39,621 And he knew a man who had a farm. 1422 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,167 We got in this big Buick and we went driving through the countryside. 1423 01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:48,338 Michael and I drove up and we got there and we met Max. 1424 01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:53,385 And we drove out in two cars, the fixer and Max in one car, 1425 01:22:53,427 --> 01:22:55,721 Michael and I in the other, 1426 01:22:55,762 --> 01:23:00,017 and he took us to this enormous field , very flat but very big. 1427 01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,436 And there it is. 1428 01:23:02,728 --> 01:23:06,231 And , like, I looked at Michael and I said , "Boy, you know, it's big , 1429 01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:08,525 "but this would make a parking lot. 1430 01:23:08,567 --> 01:23:11,445 "We need some elevation , we need something , 1431 01:23:11,528 --> 01:23:13,864 "because people have got to see the stage." 1432 01:23:13,906 --> 01:23:19,786 And we said , "Do you have anything that has some roll to it, some contour?" 1433 01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:24,291 "I have a field , alfalfa." 1434 01:23:24,374 --> 01:23:26,877 And we go out and look at it. 1435 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,924 So we drove out, and it was raining , drizzling , 1436 01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:35,677 and there was a mist eve*here, 1437 01:23:35,761 --> 01:23:40,015 and we were on the top of what is now this famous amphitheater, you know. 1438 01:23:40,098 --> 01:23:43,477 And the mist started to rise, and there was the lake, 1439 01:23:43,518 --> 01:23:46,813 and here was this perfect amphitheater. 1440 01:23:46,897 --> 01:23:50,567 ANG There it was. We stopped the car. You know, "This is it." 1441 01:23:50,651 --> 01:23:53,320 Sort of we were congratulating each other, 1442 01:23:53,403 --> 01:23:55,906 and then Michael took Max to the side 1443 01:23:55,948 --> 01:24:00,118 and very quickly they made a deal. 1444 01:24:00,619 --> 01:24:02,287 And he'd heard what happened to us in Wallkill 1445 01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,456 and thought that we were railroaded. 1446 01:24:04,539 --> 01:24:07,793 And so he was politically, if you will , on our side. 1447 01:24:09,127 --> 01:24:12,047 ...and felt that we had been treated unfairly, 1448 01:24:12,089 --> 01:24:15,592 that a special case was being made, 1449 01:24:15,634 --> 01:24:19,763 and that he was gonna stand up for what was right. 1450 01:24:20,097 --> 01:24:23,850 Max and I went off into the field , 1451 01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:26,061 and I said , you know, "This is it. 1452 01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:30,732 "We really want your field . This is where we need to be." 1453 01:24:30,774 --> 01:24:32,651 And we made a deal, right there on the field. 1454 01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:38,865 Max was a Yankee in the very best meaning of the words 1455 01:24:38,949 --> 01:24:42,286 and a true believer in the American dream. 1456 01:24:43,036 --> 01:24:45,789 I'm a farmer. I don't know... 1457 01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:55,799 I don't know how to speak to 20 people at one time, let alone a crowd like this, 1458 01:24:58,468 --> 01:25:02,639 but I think you people have proven something to the world. 1459 01:25:03,265 --> 01:25:07,144 Not only to the town of Bethel or Sullivan County or New York State, 1460 01:25:07,227 --> 01:25:09,604 you've proven something to the world. 1461 01:25:09,646 --> 01:25:13,317 The important thing that you've proven to the world 1462 01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,610 is that a half a million kids, 1463 01:25:15,652 --> 01:25:19,489 and I call you kids because I have children that are older than you are, 1464 01:25:19,573 --> 01:25:22,951 a half a million young people can get together 1465 01:25:23,035 --> 01:25:28,415 and have three days of fun and music, and have nothing but fun and music, 1466 01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:30,542 and God bless you for it! 1467 01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:35,589 Max was an amazing guy. 1468 01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:40,594 Max was, you know, one of those sort of real American 1469 01:25:43,805 --> 01:25:45,766 wholegrain kinds of guys, 1470 01:25:46,641 --> 01:25:50,812 very straight, very honest, very conservative in a lot of ways, 1471 01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:54,191 but a real man of his word 1472 01:25:55,525 --> 01:26:01,365 and someone who thought that people had the right to do 1473 01:26:01,448 --> 01:26:02,449 whatever they wanted to do 1474 01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:05,952 as long as it was not adversely affecting the people around them. 1475 01:26:10,207 --> 01:26:12,334 We had all agreed 1476 01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:16,463 that bringing over this new KEM, the KEM editing machine 1477 01:26:16,463 --> 01:26:18,507 from Frankfurt, Germany, 1478 01:26:18,757 --> 01:26:22,844 was an absolutely essential ingredient to the whole thing. 1479 01:26:22,928 --> 01:26:26,598 Yeah , that enabled the multiple images to be cut effectively 1480 01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:30,560 so you could preview them without going to an optical stage, 1481 01:26:30,602 --> 01:26:31,686 which none of us could afford to do. 1482 01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:34,648 At the time, we didn't have that much money, 1483 01:26:34,815 --> 01:26:38,610 and it was a lot of money for me to lay out. 1484 01:26:38,652 --> 01:26:39,945 I think it was 15 grand 1485 01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:41,363 -or something like that. -Yeah , 15 grand. 1486 01:26:41,405 --> 01:26:43,907 In those days, 15, 000 was a great deal of money. 1487 01:26:43,949 --> 01:26:48,078 And I was really interested, intellectually, in multiple image work, 1488 01:26:48,078 --> 01:26:51,081 and also trying to figure out how to beat the bank, 1489 01:26:51,164 --> 01:26:54,960 how to do it simply and effectively and economically. 1490 01:26:55,168 --> 01:27:00,048 So I'd read about this company that had designed 1491 01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,342 this three-headed monster. 1492 01:27:02,634 --> 01:27:04,511 Three, I mean, you could put up 1493 01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:09,141 three images and one soundtrack, or two soundtracks and two images. 1494 01:27:09,182 --> 01:27:12,978 It was just a breakthrough for us, particularly for me 1495 01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:14,271 in the documentary footage, 1496 01:27:14,396 --> 01:27:18,066 it meant I could buzz through large quantities of footage. 1497 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,111 I could have three images up all the time 1498 01:27:21,194 --> 01:27:24,781 and be looking for ways to inter cut things. 1499 01:27:25,073 --> 01:27:28,201 It struck me as just a magnificent machine, 1500 01:27:28,285 --> 01:27:30,745 so we particularly went to the factory, 1501 01:27:30,871 --> 01:27:33,748 and we got the very first one that came to America. 1502 01:27:33,832 --> 01:27:36,251 -And.. . -I'm gonna tell that little story, 1503 01:27:36,293 --> 01:27:37,461 because it's really hilarious. 1504 01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:42,757 Francis was building , in San Francisco, American Zoetrope. 1505 01:27:43,925 --> 01:27:47,721 He had all of his dubbing machines in San Francisco at Zoetrope, 1506 01:27:47,846 --> 01:27:49,639 but he did not have any of the editing machines. 1507 01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:53,977 Peter Wolfert, at KEM in Frankfurt, 1508 01:27:54,019 --> 01:27:59,900 had said that one of his machines was going to land at JFK 1509 01:28:00,150 --> 01:28:02,444 on a pallet, you know, like tomorrow morning. 1510 01:28:03,612 --> 01:28:05,113 And I got on the phone with Francis 1511 01:28:05,739 --> 01:28:09,534 and said , "We would like to rent your KEM machine, 1512 01:28:09,618 --> 01:28:11,620 "because we understand it's in New York, 1513 01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:14,122 "and we're doing this film called Woodstock, and blah , blah , blah ." 1514 01:28:14,164 --> 01:28:15,457 And he said , "No, you can't possibly." 1515 01:28:15,499 --> 01:28:18,293 I said , "Francis, Francis ! " And I begged , begged. 1516 01:28:18,335 --> 01:28:21,838 We all begged Francis to let us have this one. 1517 01:28:21,922 --> 01:28:23,798 And we worked out a rental agreement, 1518 01:28:24,049 --> 01:28:27,969 and we got Peter Wolfert to send Francis a second one 1519 01:28:28,053 --> 01:28:29,846 almost immediately thereafter. 1520 01:28:30,096 --> 01:28:34,601 But the very first one that Francis wanted and was expecting 1521 01:28:34,684 --> 01:28:37,479 landed in our editing place. 1522 01:28:38,063 --> 01:28:39,981 But that machine was an absolute godsend. 1523 01:28:40,065 --> 01:28:42,442 They were everything we thought they were. 1524 01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:45,278 It was super German engineering. 1525 01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:46,571 They really worked , 1526 01:28:46,655 --> 01:28:49,449 they were wonderfully, wonderfully thought out. 1527 01:28:49,574 --> 01:28:54,287 It was a wonderful machine, quiet, beautifully designed , 1528 01:28:54,371 --> 01:28:55,747 and that's what I was working on, 1529 01:28:56,206 --> 01:28:58,583 originally, when we were cutting the Aretha Franklin footage 1530 01:28:58,708 --> 01:29:00,710 that inspired the idea of multiple images. 1531 01:29:00,835 --> 01:29:05,632 Then I aggressively went after multiple image ideas in film 1532 01:29:06,466 --> 01:29:09,553 to increase this kind of point of view potential. 1533 01:29:09,761 --> 01:29:12,138 Michael was showing me things as we went along. 1534 01:29:12,847 --> 01:29:18,853 One day, he said to me, "Fred , I'd like to do split-screen ." 1535 01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:20,897 And I said , "Mike, I hate split-screen. 1536 01:29:21,064 --> 01:29:24,067 "If there's anything I hate, it's split-screen ." 1537 01:29:24,067 --> 01:29:25,860 I said it usually never works. 1538 01:29:25,944 --> 01:29:27,362 He said , "Well , let me show you this, okay?" 1539 01:29:27,529 --> 01:29:31,825 And he showed me two 16mm cameras together, right, 1540 01:29:32,033 --> 01:29:36,538 and he showed me the section that he'd edited with them. 1541 01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:41,001 And it blew me away. It really got me so excited. 1542 01:29:41,334 --> 01:29:44,838 We were approached at the end of J uly of 1969 1543 01:29:44,921 --> 01:29:49,718 by David and Al Maysles and Porter Bibb, their producer, 1544 01:29:50,343 --> 01:29:54,306 who had heard that we had this technique, 1545 01:29:54,431 --> 01:29:58,018 and we brought them into a screening room , 1546 01:29:58,268 --> 01:30:02,772 and in the screening room , which was, maybe, 20 feet by 20 feet, 1547 01:30:02,939 --> 01:30:06,401 there were three projectors, Graflex projectors, 1548 01:30:06,526 --> 01:30:09,321 on three projector stands, 1549 01:30:09,446 --> 01:30:14,743 a three-image, two-track film 1550 01:30:14,993 --> 01:30:16,995 that was about 15 minutes in length. 1551 01:30:17,162 --> 01:30:20,332 Certainly, some of that footage proved to us 1552 01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:24,836 that if you had a great performer, and a great set of circumstances, 1553 01:30:24,919 --> 01:30:27,005 that this would add not just a gimmick, 1554 01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:30,550 but a real , new kind of way of perceiving events 1555 01:30:30,717 --> 01:30:33,094 and performances that enhanced it. 1556 01:30:33,386 --> 01:30:39,601 And this occurred , like, every time that we invited new people in. 1557 01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:43,772 We had so revolutionized Hollywood by importing 1558 01:30:43,897 --> 01:30:46,775 the first flatbed editing tables that they had ever seen. 1559 01:30:52,739 --> 01:30:56,951 The '60s generation is often called the Woodstock generation. 1560 01:30:57,118 --> 01:31:00,830 I don't think the decade had a name 1561 01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:02,874 before Woodstock happened , 1562 01:31:02,957 --> 01:31:08,588 but it enabled our media-driven society 1563 01:31:08,672 --> 01:31:13,426 to be able to put a symbol next to a feeling. 1564 01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:17,055 The '60s was a feeling among people. 1565 01:31:17,222 --> 01:31:20,725 At the time it felt like something that was just very important. 1566 01:31:20,767 --> 01:31:23,019 They were the first generation that really believed 1567 01:31:23,061 --> 01:31:25,855 that they could actually make a monumental difference. 1568 01:31:25,897 --> 01:31:29,401 And they were getting conflicting messages from the establishment. 1569 01:31:29,442 --> 01:31:31,361 "You gotta be this way. You've gotta do things." 1570 01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:34,572 And the establishment wasn't being this way 1571 01:31:34,614 --> 01:31:35,657 and wasn't doing these things. 1572 01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:38,618 My group wasn't buying that. 1573 01:31:38,702 --> 01:31:41,955 They weren't buying into the American dream , 1574 01:31:41,996 --> 01:31:43,748 as it had been presented. 1575 01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:44,999 We were more into changing things. 1576 01:31:45,041 --> 01:31:47,335 We were more into the revolution of changing. 1577 01:31:47,377 --> 01:31:49,462 We're not gonna do this, we're not gonna have jobs, 1578 01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:51,673 we don't wanna go to school, we don't wanna do any of those things. 1579 01:31:51,756 --> 01:31:56,928 I think we all meant to change it very, very, in a very peaceful way. 1580 01:32:01,391 --> 01:32:04,060 Well, of course, the ecology movement got started then. 1581 01:32:04,102 --> 01:32:06,646 The consciousness for what's happening to the planet 1582 01:32:06,730 --> 01:32:08,231 began during that era. 1583 01:32:08,314 --> 01:32:10,525 Anti-war, you know, here we are to Iraq , 1584 01:32:10,567 --> 01:32:12,235 well , it was Vietnam then. 1585 01:32:12,318 --> 01:32:15,405 This horrible war going on that nobody wanted any part of. 1586 01:32:15,488 --> 01:32:17,449 It was unpopular, but it was going on , 1587 01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:21,244 and everybody knew it was pretty much the wrong thing to be doing. 1588 01:32:21,661 --> 01:32:24,289 The United States Army has lent us some medical teams 1589 01:32:26,958 --> 01:32:28,668 and giving us a hand. 1590 01:32:30,044 --> 01:32:32,088 They're with us, man. They are not against us. 1591 01:32:32,172 --> 01:32:35,216 They are with us. They're here to give us all a hand and help us. 1592 01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:37,844 We, the youth of the time, 1593 01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,722 felt like we were sort of backed into a corner, 1594 01:32:40,805 --> 01:32:42,682 and at the same time, we were huge. 1595 01:32:44,225 --> 01:32:45,810 Woodstock showed to the world 1596 01:32:46,436 --> 01:32:49,272 all these people who had been against Vietnam , 1597 01:32:49,355 --> 01:32:51,816 against the new sexual mores, 1598 01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:54,360 all the things that were happening in the '60s 1599 01:32:54,402 --> 01:32:56,404 all came together at Woodstock. 1600 01:32:56,571 --> 01:32:59,866 It was not only anti-war, it was love in the broader sense. 1601 01:32:59,908 --> 01:33:05,997 It was a breakdown of racial boundaries, something that I very strongly feel. 1602 01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,624 I felt then , feel today. 1603 01:33:07,749 --> 01:33:13,922 U ntil 1965, you could go to a soda fountain in South Carolina 1604 01:33:13,963 --> 01:33:16,716 and not be allowed to sit next to someone who wasn't your color. 1605 01:33:16,925 --> 01:33:19,093 Also human rights, you know, gay rights, 1606 01:33:19,177 --> 01:33:21,846 women's rights, black rights, and so on , 1607 01:33:21,888 --> 01:33:24,557 that took off during that time. 1608 01:33:24,641 --> 01:33:27,811 It was a breaking down of of all the various boundaries 1609 01:33:27,852 --> 01:33:30,897 that separate men and nations. 1610 01:33:30,980 --> 01:33:36,236 That was a very rapid change, that had really affected everything 1611 01:33:36,277 --> 01:33:39,030 that was what we call the Woodstock generation. 1612 01:33:39,072 --> 01:33:43,952 All of those sort of things had a sort of mini-revolution. 1613 01:33:44,035 --> 01:33:45,995 And there it was for people to see, 1614 01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:48,540 and they could see these wonderful people, 1615 01:33:48,581 --> 01:33:51,543 and , you know, you'd been hearing about hippies and all the terrible... 1616 01:33:51,626 --> 01:33:55,588 And here they are, these wonderful , joyous people 1617 01:33:55,630 --> 01:33:57,382 having the greatest time of their life. 1618 01:33:57,465 --> 01:34:00,677 This was, you know, a show of force, 1619 01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:05,265 for everybody to say, "Okay, 1620 01:34:05,348 --> 01:34:08,768 "things are changing , and we're gonna change the world ." 1621 01:34:08,852 --> 01:34:11,646 And you really felt at that time 1622 01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,232 that there was a difference being made here 1623 01:34:14,315 --> 01:34:16,693 just by the show of people. 1624 01:34:16,734 --> 01:34:21,239 I think that this event culminated that decade 1625 01:34:21,322 --> 01:34:23,908 and somewhat culminated that feeling. 1626 01:34:23,992 --> 01:34:27,161 Somebody was saying this was the second largest city in New York. 1627 01:34:27,245 --> 01:34:31,207 There's been no police. There's been no trouble. 1628 01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:34,836 You said a moment ago that this wasn't the end of this festival , 1629 01:34:34,919 --> 01:34:37,547 that this was a beginning . What do you mean , a beginning? 1630 01:34:37,589 --> 01:34:40,133 Well , look at it. 1631 01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:42,343 This is the beginning of this kind of thing. 1632 01:34:42,427 --> 01:34:43,845 Of this kind of thing? 1633 01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:47,682 Worldwide, I don't feel that anyone thinks that another generation , 1634 01:34:47,765 --> 01:34:49,350 even right up to now, 1635 01:34:49,434 --> 01:34:52,020 has even come close to starting a revolution 1636 01:34:52,103 --> 01:34:54,230 like the Woodstock generation did. 1637 01:34:54,314 --> 01:34:58,693 So, I'm sort of proud and excited to be part of it. 1638 01:34:59,527 --> 01:35:01,279 I'm very proud to be of that generation , 1639 01:35:01,362 --> 01:35:05,283 and I think we stopped the planet for a year or so. 1640 01:35:05,867 --> 01:35:08,953 Woodstock was like the.. . It was the wraparound that said , 1641 01:35:09,037 --> 01:35:11,831 "This is the Woodstock nation ." 1642 01:35:12,415 --> 01:35:14,417 And because that weekend we could all cooperate, 1643 01:35:14,459 --> 01:35:18,046 there was a birth , a death , there was a cosmos there. 1644 01:35:18,087 --> 01:35:21,424 And we did , we all cooperated . I stayed out there for three nights. 1645 01:35:21,507 --> 01:35:25,511 Can't remember it all , but we were very much a part of it, 1646 01:35:26,179 --> 01:35:30,391 so it was an important cultural landmark. 1647 01:35:51,162 --> 01:35:52,789 The Woodstock Music and Art Fair, 1648 01:35:52,872 --> 01:35:55,917 the three-day Aquarian Exposition at White ake in Bethel, New York 1649 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,420 will give you uncomplicated, unhurried, calm days of peace and music. 1650 01:35:59,879 --> 01:36:02,632 Friday, August 15th, you'll hear stars such as Joan Baez, 1651 01:36:02,715 --> 01:36:06,511 Arlo Guthrie, Tim Hart, Richie Havens, Ravi Shankar and many others. 1652 01:36:06,928 --> 01:36:10,348 Saturday, August 16th, Canned Heat, Creedence Clearwater Revival, 1653 01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:13,476 Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Airplane and The Who. 1654 01:36:13,893 --> 01:36:15,895 Sunday, August 17th, Blood, Sweat and Tears, 1655 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,732 Crosby, Stills and Nash, Santana, Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Winter, 1656 01:36:19,816 --> 01:36:21,067 and that's not all. 1657 01:36:21,150 --> 01:36:23,820 Camp grounds will be open for two days before the festival. 1658 01:36:23,861 --> 01:36:28,366 There are over 600 acres of land to roam, bazaars to browse, creative workshops. 1659 01:36:28,408 --> 01:36:31,953 Heavy traffic is anticipated, so leave early if you wish to arrive on time. 1660 01:36:32,704 --> 01:36:34,288 Tickets for the Woodstock Music and Arts Fair 1661 01:36:34,330 --> 01:36:38,042 are 7, 14 and 18 dollars for one, two or three days 1662 01:36:38,126 --> 01:36:40,962 and can be purchased in advance at most local record stores. 1663 01:36:41,004 --> 01:36:42,755 No checks will be accepted at the gate. 1664 01:36:43,339 --> 01:36:47,593 Be at the Woodstock Music and Arts Fair, August 15th, 16th and 17th 1665 01:36:47,635 --> 01:36:49,470 in Bethel, New York. 1666 01:36:53,641 --> 01:36:57,228 More than 200, 000 followers of pop music 1667 01:36:57,311 --> 01:37:00,273 have jammed the Catskill Mountain hamlet of Bethel 1668 01:37:00,356 --> 01:37:02,025 for a rock music festival. 1669 01:37:02,108 --> 01:37:05,570 Cars are being abandoned on highways leading to the resort area. 1670 01:37:05,611 --> 01:37:09,449 Festival producers have called for all vehicles heading to that festival 1671 01:37:09,532 --> 01:37:11,242 to turn back home. 1672 01:37:15,329 --> 01:37:16,831 Few other announcements. 1673 01:37:17,832 --> 01:37:22,712 The road, third road on your left is still a problem, 1674 01:37:22,754 --> 01:37:26,632 for entrance and access, please, have that cleared as soon as possible. 1675 01:37:49,781 --> 01:37:53,534 We're sorry for the technical necessities of the crane. 1676 01:37:55,495 --> 01:38:00,625 You people that have placed tents in the viewing area, 1677 01:38:01,501 --> 01:38:05,129 please do take them down so that those behind can view as well. 1678 01:38:08,716 --> 01:38:12,345 In a situation such as this we must return the responsibility to you. 1679 01:38:18,601 --> 01:38:22,230 One thing about this is, we're a pretty big city right now, 1680 01:38:23,147 --> 01:38:25,566 so we've got all sorts of things. 1681 01:38:28,111 --> 01:38:29,821 Sam, can you get the monitors on ? 1682 01:38:32,782 --> 01:38:35,660 Richard Boch, get back to Eddie Kramer in the sound truck. 1683 01:38:35,743 --> 01:38:37,453 Richard Boch, get back to Eddie Kramer. 1684 01:38:39,455 --> 01:38:40,873 Before we begin, 1685 01:38:40,957 --> 01:38:43,334 could we ask you please, once again, to leave the towers, 1686 01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:49,549 and then, in the same breath, thank you for making all this possible. 1687 01:38:54,804 --> 01:38:58,307 There's a couple of packages of garbage bags here. 1688 01:38:59,433 --> 01:39:02,145 If on your way out, you wouldn't mind taking one, 1689 01:39:02,186 --> 01:39:05,314 filling it up and leaving it where you filled it, 1690 01:39:05,398 --> 01:39:07,900 that certainly would be appreciated. 1691 01:39:09,068 --> 01:39:11,070 Anything you can do to give us a hand 1692 01:39:11,154 --> 01:39:14,949 to leave this area somewhat the way we found it, 1693 01:39:14,991 --> 01:39:17,118 I don't think it'll ever be quite the same, 1694 01:39:17,952 --> 01:39:22,206 but somewhat the way we found it, certainly would be appreciated. 1695 01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:29,255 It's been a delight seeing you. 1696 01:39:29,922 --> 01:39:34,343 May we wish you anything 1697 01:39:35,136 --> 01:39:37,722 that the person next to you wishes for you. 1698 01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:43,019 Good wishes, good day and a good life. 1699 01:39:43,853 --> 01:39:45,146 Thank you. 1700 01:40:06,459 --> 01:40:09,462 Pat Dutch, please go to the pink and white medical tent. 1701 01:40:21,224 --> 01:40:24,644 I think that turning point was when , by Wednesday, I think, 1702 01:40:24,685 --> 01:40:27,813 we had 0, 000 or 50, 000 kids sitting in the field. 1703 01:40:27,897 --> 01:40:31,651 So, we'd sold 120, 000 tickets in advance, 1704 01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,945 and if that's any indication of what's coming , 1705 01:40:34,028 --> 01:40:37,448 we knew we were well over the 200, 000 we'd planned on. 1706 01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:39,867 I think the turning point, actually, 1707 01:40:39,951 --> 01:40:43,246 for the whole thing was when it got near to the festival , 1708 01:40:43,329 --> 01:40:46,707 and people then started to break down the fences that they'd put up, 1709 01:40:46,791 --> 01:40:49,001 and they had to declare it a free festival. 1710 01:40:49,085 --> 01:40:51,420 It's a free concert from now on. 1711 01:40:55,549 --> 01:40:59,512 I think the first time I realized something was going on was, 1712 01:40:59,595 --> 01:41:01,806 you could only get in by helicopter. 1713 01:41:01,847 --> 01:41:04,934 And I suddenly thought, "What's this?" And then you flew over the audience. 1714 01:41:05,017 --> 01:41:06,519 It was just amazing to see. 1715 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,855 U p until that point, it was just another gig , another festival. 1716 01:41:09,897 --> 01:41:12,650 Around this period , there were a lot of festivals going on , 1717 01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:16,404 and all the groups were traveling to these festivals, you know, 1718 01:41:16,487 --> 01:41:19,156 and you'd see everybody at all the festivals. 1719 01:41:19,198 --> 01:41:22,451 It was like a bunch of gypsies going around at the time, so, 1720 01:41:22,493 --> 01:41:24,036 actually, when Woodstock happened, 1721 01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,414 it was another festival that was going on. 1722 01:41:26,455 --> 01:41:28,124 Nobody knew that it would be 1723 01:41:28,207 --> 01:41:31,085 the size or the volume of people that it was. 1724 01:41:31,168 --> 01:41:32,253 They were all on pot. 1725 01:41:32,336 --> 01:41:34,130 -Well , whatever it is.. . -It never should have happened. 1726 01:41:34,171 --> 01:41:36,882 If pot makes them happy and no trouble, maybe we ought to put 1727 01:41:36,924 --> 01:41:38,217 -all the adults on pot. -How about the morals? 1728 01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:40,886 You want a 15-year-old girl sleeping in the field in a tent? 1729 01:41:40,928 --> 01:41:43,055 What are you , out of your mind? It never should have happened. 1730 01:41:43,139 --> 01:41:46,517 Do you feel bad about the kids who were killed in Vietnam? 1731 01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,436 -This has nothing to do with Vietnam . -That's the same thing. 1732 01:41:48,519 --> 01:41:50,271 Nothing at all to do with it. There's no comparison. 1733 01:41:50,354 --> 01:41:54,025 I thought that this was going to sum up the generation , 1734 01:41:54,191 --> 01:41:56,819 that it had an opportunity to do that. 1735 01:41:56,902 --> 01:42:00,281 Even when it was only gonna be 50, 000 or 100, 000 people that came there, 1736 01:42:00,364 --> 01:42:01,782 I still thought, "Wow! 1737 01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:04,160 "Being on a farm, going back to land, 1738 01:42:04,201 --> 01:42:06,996 "Woodstock, you know, all this mix 1739 01:42:07,038 --> 01:42:11,375 "and these great musicians who were singing political songs, you know." 1740 01:42:11,417 --> 01:42:14,086 An*ay, this is an organizing song, 1741 01:42:14,170 --> 01:42:15,629 and I was happy to find out 1742 01:42:15,671 --> 01:42:18,591 that after David had been in jail for two and a half weeks, 1743 01:42:18,632 --> 01:42:21,844 he already had a very, very good hunger strike going 1744 01:42:21,927 --> 01:42:25,890 with 42 federal prisoners, none of whom were draft people, so... 1745 01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:27,892 These were not just pop groups. 1746 01:42:27,975 --> 01:42:29,643 I'm very happy to say 1747 01:42:29,727 --> 01:42:32,688 we think the people of this country should be proud of these kids. 1748 01:42:32,772 --> 01:42:35,691 Notwithstanding the way they dress or the way they wear their hair, 1749 01:42:35,733 --> 01:42:37,526 that's their own personal business. 1750 01:42:37,568 --> 01:42:41,447 But their inner workings, their inner selves, 1751 01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:44,825 their self-demeanor cannot be questioned. 1752 01:42:44,909 --> 01:42:47,578 They can't be questioned as good American citizens. 1753 01:42:47,661 --> 01:42:50,456 That's kind of surprising coming from a cop. 1754 01:42:50,498 --> 01:42:52,792 I'm not a cop. I'm a Chief of Police. 1755 01:42:53,042 --> 01:42:56,670 Festivals happened and big shows happened 1756 01:42:56,754 --> 01:43:00,549 and corporate rock happened, but that was a special time. 1757 01:43:00,633 --> 01:43:03,928 Nobody got rich at Woodstock. Nobody. That's cool. 1758 01:43:16,524 --> 01:43:18,442 There were technical issues continuously. 1759 01:43:18,484 --> 01:43:21,195 The ineffective cabling on headsets 1760 01:43:21,278 --> 01:43:24,240 and trying to keep in touch with the crew, with the operators. 1761 01:43:24,323 --> 01:43:25,658 The roads got overcrowded 1762 01:43:25,741 --> 01:43:28,244 and the mechanical systems couldn't possibly work. 1763 01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:31,330 Constantly getting bands ready to get on stage, getting equipment, 1764 01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:34,125 getting everybody in one place at the right time 1765 01:43:34,166 --> 01:43:36,585 to be able to go on with the show was another... 1766 01:43:36,669 --> 01:43:40,047 The pump trucks for sanitation couldn't get out 1767 01:43:40,131 --> 01:43:41,715 and couldn't haul things away. 1768 01:43:42,049 --> 01:43:44,218 There were always these little things that kept coming up. 1769 01:43:44,343 --> 01:43:46,470 Things, which days before the show, 1770 01:43:46,554 --> 01:43:50,683 we were told we couldn't possibly do, was utterly illegal. 1771 01:43:50,724 --> 01:43:54,270 Mike, what's the worst part of running one of these things? 1772 01:43:54,353 --> 01:43:56,313 I don't know. I don't know. 1773 01:43:56,647 --> 01:43:57,731 It was continuous. It was... 1774 01:43:57,815 --> 01:44:01,735 As I said , there's no single incident that stands out that way. 1775 01:44:01,819 --> 01:44:04,029 It was just one after another after another. 1776 01:44:04,113 --> 01:44:08,367 I remember seeing the sun coming up over the stage. 1777 01:44:08,409 --> 01:44:11,078 People were hammering and sawing and things were going on. 1778 01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:15,416 I mean , this was Friday morning and it started in about five hours. 1779 01:44:15,499 --> 01:44:17,376 And as I got closer to the stage, 1780 01:44:17,418 --> 01:44:21,088 I realized, "My God, how much work still has to be done." 1781 01:44:21,255 --> 01:44:23,591 You know, we were kind of on the fly. 1782 01:44:23,674 --> 01:44:28,053 And the idea of the stage was a round stage cut in half, so to speak, 1783 01:44:28,095 --> 01:44:32,850 so that the first half would be the first band , 1784 01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:35,895 and then the back half would be the second band 1785 01:44:35,936 --> 01:44:37,438 with their gear ready to go. 1786 01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:39,440 And the idea would be, once the first band finished , 1787 01:44:39,523 --> 01:44:41,358 they would turn the platform , 1788 01:44:41,442 --> 01:44:44,862 and then the secondary band would be in position. 1789 01:44:44,945 --> 01:44:47,865 The whole thing was kind of Jerry-rigged. 1790 01:44:47,948 --> 01:44:50,701 There were so many people on stage 1791 01:44:50,784 --> 01:44:54,622 watching the existing act that was on and performing. 1792 01:44:54,663 --> 01:44:57,249 The problem was that they all stood on the turntable, 1793 01:44:57,291 --> 01:45:01,337 which was far more weight than they ever intended to support. 1794 01:45:01,629 --> 01:45:04,632 When I was there and something was wrong , 1795 01:45:04,673 --> 01:45:06,258 and someone said ... 1796 01:45:06,425 --> 01:45:11,347 "Get off the turntable elevation because it's over loaded ." 1797 01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,683 They attempted to turn this platform and all the wheels fell off. 1798 01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:21,524 And it just sat like that for the entire three days. 1799 01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:24,360 Yeah, I mean, Grace and Janis and everybody was standing on it, 1800 01:45:24,443 --> 01:45:28,030 and you know, you can't really just sweep them off with a broom , you know. 1801 01:45:28,072 --> 01:45:29,865 The best laid plans of mice and men. 1802 01:45:31,116 --> 01:45:32,785 MARCELLI NO: I don't even know how they kept the power on , 1803 01:45:32,868 --> 01:45:35,538 because it really rained on Sunday. 1804 01:45:37,331 --> 01:45:39,542 Please move away from the towers. 1805 01:45:39,625 --> 01:45:41,752 Please move away from the towers. 1806 01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:43,170 Because the ground was wet, 1807 01:45:43,212 --> 01:45:47,049 and because the cables did run into the audience to the towers... 1808 01:45:47,132 --> 01:45:51,554 Some people, at one point, thought that the power to the towers 1809 01:45:52,096 --> 01:45:55,432 was becoming exposed , the cables were becoming exposed , 1810 01:45:55,516 --> 01:45:59,019 and that because there was a field of wet people 1811 01:45:59,061 --> 01:46:01,730 that we were suddenly about to electrocute a half a million people. 1812 01:46:01,814 --> 01:46:06,735 I was frightened to death every second . I didn't want anyone to get hurt. 1813 01:46:07,194 --> 01:46:09,697 And then , to hear the stories of how the stage was sinking. 1814 01:46:09,738 --> 01:46:12,741 When we played , the stage was collapsing , 1815 01:46:12,825 --> 01:46:15,661 people screaming , "The stage is collapsing , the PA is out! " 1816 01:46:15,703 --> 01:46:17,288 Everybody was getting shocks. 1817 01:46:17,329 --> 01:46:20,291 It was not necessarily the safest place to be. 1818 01:46:20,374 --> 01:46:22,126 You know, things like that would come up, and you'd have to 1819 01:46:22,167 --> 01:46:24,128 sort of suss them out and see what the reality was, 1820 01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,963 and then go deal with it. 1821 01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:27,881 I think we can be very, very proud 1822 01:46:27,965 --> 01:46:31,802 of what we accomplished in the face of enormous obstacles. 1823 01:46:32,303 --> 01:46:34,930 There were so many things that could've been disastrous, 1824 01:46:34,972 --> 01:46:38,475 you know, but it all just made it, it all just made it. 1825 01:46:46,942 --> 01:46:49,820 I know I slept in a pile of velour under the stage at one time. 1826 01:46:49,903 --> 01:46:53,490 I had a trailer down at the lake 1827 01:46:53,574 --> 01:46:56,910 which was my lighting booth for Newport, about a 40-footer. 1828 01:46:57,161 --> 01:47:02,458 We slept in the back of the tractor trailer on the floor. 1829 01:47:02,499 --> 01:47:03,584 If you could call it sleeping , 1830 01:47:03,626 --> 01:47:05,961 it was a few hours, if that, every night. 1831 01:47:06,211 --> 01:47:08,380 Some of the guys in the band , I think, actually went back 1832 01:47:08,464 --> 01:47:12,593 to whatever facilities they had for performers to stay at. 1833 01:47:12,676 --> 01:47:17,681 But I figured , as long as I was there, I was gonna, you know, just sort of dive in. 1834 01:47:17,973 --> 01:47:22,227 might as well just stay dirty, and be part of it all , yeah. 1835 01:47:22,603 --> 01:47:25,105 When you see the brown acid announcement, 1836 01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:29,985 you can tell by my fingernails and the color of my hands that, you know, 1837 01:47:30,027 --> 01:47:32,905 we didn't get anywhere close to any water. 1838 01:47:33,322 --> 01:47:35,324 I did not, for the record , 1839 01:47:35,407 --> 01:47:38,786 I did not go and swim naked in the lake. Period. 1840 01:47:38,869 --> 01:47:43,582 I think skinny-dipping is just beautiful if you want to do it, if you can do it. 1841 01:47:43,666 --> 01:47:45,250 But some people can't 1842 01:47:45,334 --> 01:47:50,839 because their environment made them , you know, feel that it's wrong. 1843 01:47:54,051 --> 01:47:56,053 We had discussions about 1844 01:47:56,095 --> 01:47:58,263 how we were gonna feed these people that were coming. 1845 01:47:58,347 --> 01:48:02,351 And we were out scrounging around some aluminum pots and this and that, 1846 01:48:02,434 --> 01:48:03,644 and I looked at the whole scene 1847 01:48:03,686 --> 01:48:06,980 and I said , "We don't need to scrounge." 1848 01:48:07,064 --> 01:48:11,235 The Hog Farm was able to get bushels and bushels of brown rice. 1849 01:48:11,318 --> 01:48:13,612 Now, that's what they served at the food booths. 1850 01:48:14,154 --> 01:48:18,575 I ended up buying 160, 000 paper plates, forks, knives and spoons 1851 01:48:18,659 --> 01:48:21,787 and about 30, 000 paper cups. 1852 01:48:21,829 --> 01:48:25,833 And it's a good thing I did , because they all went. 1853 01:48:25,916 --> 01:48:26,959 Everything went. 1854 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:32,548 So that's how I figured that we fed between 160, 000 to 190, 000 people 1855 01:48:32,589 --> 01:48:34,383 at the Hog Farm free kitchen. 1856 01:48:34,466 --> 01:48:38,345 They would come up and we were frantically trying to keep things going , 1857 01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:40,514 and someone would just stick a hot dog in your mouth. 1858 01:48:40,556 --> 01:48:42,891 That was about, maybe one or two hot dogs 1859 01:48:42,975 --> 01:48:45,436 was about what we ate that whole time. 1860 01:48:45,519 --> 01:48:49,440 But we didn't care, because we knew it was something fantastic. 1861 01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:53,402 At one point, the "Food for ove" guys, who were our concessionaires, 1862 01:48:53,485 --> 01:48:56,071 were running low on hamburgers. 1863 01:48:56,071 --> 01:48:59,366 So they raised the prices from a quarter to a dollar, 1864 01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:02,786 and that displeased a bunch of people, so they went up and burned them down. 1865 01:49:02,828 --> 01:49:06,165 Now, there's a guy up there, some hamburger guy, 1866 01:49:06,248 --> 01:49:09,126 that had his stand burned down last night, 1867 01:49:10,294 --> 01:49:12,629 but he's still got a little stuff left, 1868 01:49:12,713 --> 01:49:16,925 and for you people that still believe that capitalism isn't that weird, 1869 01:49:16,967 --> 01:49:19,553 you might help him out and buy a couple of hamburgers. 1870 01:49:19,887 --> 01:49:23,056 So I went around , making sure that there was enough food 1871 01:49:23,140 --> 01:49:24,892 for the cooks to use, 1872 01:49:24,975 --> 01:49:26,935 and then I would check on the medical tents. 1873 01:49:27,019 --> 01:49:29,438 I was trying to get some rest in that tent, 1874 01:49:29,521 --> 01:49:31,356 there was a couple of other people in there with me. 1875 01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,276 At which point, 1876 01:49:34,359 --> 01:49:37,321 one of the medical personnel came around. 1877 01:49:37,362 --> 01:49:40,699 The nurses came around and said , "Anybody want a shot?" "Okay." 1878 01:49:40,741 --> 01:49:44,369 So they gave us this really painful vitamin B shot 1879 01:49:44,411 --> 01:49:45,412 right in the ass. 1880 01:49:45,496 --> 01:49:47,206 And I tried to explain , "I can't, my arms.. ." 1881 01:49:47,289 --> 01:49:48,999 He just gave me a shot of B 12. 1882 01:49:49,041 --> 01:49:51,251 Oh , Jesus, God , did that hurt! 1883 01:49:51,251 --> 01:49:53,086 But it helped , you know. 1884 01:49:53,128 --> 01:49:55,756 (*UG H I NG Don't know what it helped with , but it definitely helped something. 1885 01:49:55,839 --> 01:49:56,924 I felt great. 1886 01:49:58,091 --> 01:49:59,718 There was a performers' pavilion. 1887 01:49:59,968 --> 01:50:01,929 Then , all of a sudden , all that went to hell , 1888 01:50:01,970 --> 01:50:04,306 because they needed it for emergency, you know. 1889 01:50:04,389 --> 01:50:10,395 I had to stand up to one of the older producers 1890 01:50:10,437 --> 01:50:13,941 and say that we had to have the crew tent, 1891 01:50:13,982 --> 01:50:16,109 which was where we were supposed to eat. 1892 01:50:16,193 --> 01:50:19,988 We had to convert it into a hospital, we had no choice. 1893 01:50:20,072 --> 01:50:22,950 A lot of kids in town didn't have anything to eat. 1894 01:50:22,991 --> 01:50:25,327 Word went out that everybody should contribute food. 1895 01:50:25,410 --> 01:50:27,830 We went over to the park 1896 01:50:27,913 --> 01:50:30,916 and the village permitted them to camp there. 1897 01:50:30,999 --> 01:50:35,045 A police car went up the street here with a loudspeaker 1898 01:50:35,128 --> 01:50:36,380 and told the kids to come up there. 1899 01:50:36,463 --> 01:50:39,341 We fed them Saturday night, all day Sunday. 1900 01:50:40,092 --> 01:50:42,636 If you got food, feed other people. 1901 01:50:43,345 --> 01:50:47,266 Bugsy, to the pink and white tent. Keep feeding each other... 1902 01:50:47,349 --> 01:50:49,935 Pretty soon , everybody was taking care of everybody else, 1903 01:50:50,018 --> 01:50:52,062 and that's what Woodstock was about. 1904 01:50:52,145 --> 01:50:55,399 ...and if you're too tired to chew, pass it on. 171374

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