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VERNON REID It was a time of peace
and war, love and hate.
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A time of protest and exploration.
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No other era speaks to us like the '60s.
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And nowhere is its voice heard louder
than at The Museum at Bethel Woods.
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There are no words for the exhibits inside.
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It was amazing.
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I mean , I call it a time machine, man.
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It just brought back all the turmoil
that was going on at the time
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and the need to just absolutely release it.
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H I , I'm Vernon Reid. Welcome to
The Museum at Bethel Woods,
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where we'll take an unforgettable journey
through the tumultuous '60s
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and the three-day concert phenomenon
that defined a generation ,
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the Woodstock Music and Art Fair.
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How was Woodstock.
You want to know how it was?
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Go to The Museum at Bethel Woods
and you'll be at Woodstock, my friend.
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In August 1969, over 00, 000 music lovers
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and counter-culture crusaders came here,
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to Max Yasgur's Farm in Bethel, New York,
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to rock with stars like
Janis Joplin and Jimi Hendrix.
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40 years later, thousands of visitors
from around the world
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come to the same spot
to enjoy a state of the art museum
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whose artifacts, exhibits and stories
give us a firsthand look
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inside the Woodstock experience.
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They have a piece of the fence still in there
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and , you know, a huge bus
just staring at you when you walk in,
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and it's as good as somebody my age
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could get to
having experienced it and been there.
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Ironically, the legendary festival wasn't
really held in the town of Woodstock,
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but only two hours north from
New York City, here in Bethel, New York.
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These rolling hills were the actual site
of the three-day festival
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and now they're home to
the museum and concert pavilion,
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all part of the
Bethel Woods Center for the Arts.
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Through personal stories,
award winning films,
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original artifacts and educational events,
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The Museum has everyone,
from baby boomers to millennials,
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talking about the political
and cultural transformation of the '60s
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and how the issues of the decade
still resonate today.
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But as much as the movements
and events of the decade
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provided a lasting impression,
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nothing from the '60s
left a deeper imprint than its music.
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With films like A Musical Revolution
and Woodstock, the Music,
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as well as interactive exhibits such as
The Music After Woodstock,
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The Museum gives a deeper look
at the influence of the era's artists
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and their songs on our world.
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One of my favorites is
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the breathtaking immersion film ,
The Festival Experience.
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A spectacular 270 degree display
of the music,
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people, sights and sounds of Woodstock,
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literally placing the visitor
in the middle of all the action.
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And even though
they came for the concert,
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many say that one of their
lasting memories from Woodstock
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was getting there.
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Thousands came by car,
but there was nothing like taking the bus.
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Loved the bus. Thought the bus was great.
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I was here in 1969 and there were
buses like that all over the place.
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One of the museum's
most popular exhibits,
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this psychedelic set of wheels
is the type of bus
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that some concertgoers
rode to Woodstock.
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There was a carload of people
getting ready to go to Woodstock.
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They said , "Do you wanna go?"
So I jumped in the car and went.
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They were coming from
all over the country.
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I think I probably packed
a change of clothes.
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Several cases of beer.
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Whether it's recalling our own wild rides
or reliving the excitement of the '60s,
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here at The Museum at Bethel Woods, we
can all be a part of the Woodstock legacy.
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Look at what we thought we could do.
All right?
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For that weekend in August of 1969,
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we really thought we were gonna
all get together and change the world.
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And we probably did.
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And, I think, for the most part,
we did some good things.
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We weren't perfect,
we didn't give you a perfect new world,
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but now it's your turn.
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MICHAE WADEIGH It was
a pretty simple decision.
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This was the best there was.
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There was no competitor at all.
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It had a quick-change lens here,
a super ingénue lens.
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And of course, I had a favorite,
a very short wide-angle lens
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that I'd start up here,
and in just two or three moves,
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in two or three seconds,
you could quickly get the zoom off,
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rotate the wide angle around
and get on and ...
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Some people's favorite shots
at Woodstock
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-were done with that wide-angle lens.
-You'd remove the 5. 9.
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Because you could get right
very, very close to the performers,
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and it gave you a tremendous
sense of depth and being there
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right on the stage with them,
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and , of course, then you had
this magazine back here
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that came off in a shot, you know.
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Its liability was if you didn't very carefully
get the loop right, it could jam.
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And you couldn't really hear it
run out effectively.
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You lived in fear and dread
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that actually you'd put the mag on ,
threaded it up,
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and you were running, but of course,
with Hendrix and all those loud acts,
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you couldn't possibly hear
whether in fact you had a jam.
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U nfortunately, it was really
not well-balanced.
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Your shoulder is way back here,
so the bulk of the weight was forward.
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So I used to be fairly strong.
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But it taxed you like a mother
to really hold it that long.
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But you couldn't get the shots
with the tripods.
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It was absolutely impossible.
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It has a footage counter here
that never seemed to work,
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never seemed to be dependable.
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But this idea that you could very quickly
take on and off the mag.
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And then you see down here
at the bottom ,
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this is where either an AC motor
or a DC motor attach.
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So it's a beautiful modular unit.
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I mean , you can even say today,
this is a great, great beautiful design.
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Everybody had to use Eclair cameras
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so that we had absolutely
interchangeable equipment.
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Everybody had to have 110-volt motors.
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And where do you find , like,
a dozen 110-volt motors
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in New York City for Éclairs?
And you don't. It's almost impossible.
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We needed 50 different magazines
so that we could change film ,
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raw stock, under the stage.
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The reason for the electric motor was,
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all the cameras had to run in sync
or else it would never be editable.
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We even looked for, I remember
one of the last things on my list
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was to try and find an electronic clock,
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you know, that spinned it over by seconds.
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It would be big. And we could ask
every camera guy on stage to,
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at the top of his roll , at least,
take a shot of that,
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so that we'd have
some common syncing point.
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We could not find anything
that we could use.
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So eventually, the whole post production
became a mess of trying to sync it.
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Well , then , of course,
we had a lot of equipment problems.
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Especially when the rain came along .
I remember this.
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The camera, when you put this up
on your shoulder,
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the motor hits you right in the shoulder.
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And we had to wrap towels
around the motor
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because it got so bloody hot.
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At one point the AC
that was being supplied
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was nearly twice the voltage,
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so we thought, "Well , it's gonna
melt the damn coils,
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"and the cameras will go entirely."
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-But I remember real pain .
-Yeah. And shock.
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And agony and shocks, of course.
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You know, just from the cameras.
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Here it is Tuesday, now.
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The music is gonna start on Friday.
There is one missing ingredient.
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The raw stock.
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Michael is on the phone, it's Wednesday,
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and he's saying ,
"Where the hell is the raw stock?"
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And I said I called Kodak on Monday.
We're buying it. Where was the money?
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He had not been paid yet
for 30 Days to Survival.
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That was the only source of the funds.
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Got the 15, 000 dollars, put it in the bank.
We now had 17, 000 dollars, right?
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Just almost enough to buy the raw stock
at the time.
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So I called him on Monday saying
we were going to place a large order
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of 721 , 722 and 7255.
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And I didn't know exactly
what the quantity was.
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I said , "Do you have it all in stock?"
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"Yes, don't worry, don't worry,
don't worry. We've got it all in stock.
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"Come Wednesday morning ."
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Now I've got the money in the bank.
I can actually write a check.
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And I called them and I said
I want umpteen rolls of this and that
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and the other.
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And like ten minutes later
they call me back and they say,
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"All we have are two boxes worth ."
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We need 25 boxes in order to...
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We calculated ,
if we've got five cameras shooting
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and they're shooting
for twelve hours a day,
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we are going to need a hell of a lot
of raw stock.
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But I had only access to two boxes
in New York.
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When you see those helicopters
in the movie coming in with
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Arlo Guthrie and the performers,
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they're carrying our raw stock
all they way through on a staggered basis
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until Saturday noon.
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They were shooting it so fast,
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and the helicopters were coming in
and everything.
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I mean , it was all we could do
to get it to the assistants
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who were under the stage in the mud.
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It was unreal.
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We asked Michael Lang
and John Roberts to build a lip
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on the front of the stage.
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So that Michael and the other guys
could , with his right hand ,
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put an elbow on the stage,
stand on the ang plywood
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and have an absolutely ideal ,
perfect angle for this,
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and then leap on stage if it was necessary.
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And the tripod conveyed
none of the energy.
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The tripod fixed you in a position.
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The ability for Michael
and the other guys to get up on stage.
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I mean , the one.. .
When you see it in the director's cut,
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the one sequence with Bob H ite
of Canned Heat
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is one entire magazine,
uncut with the 5. 9 lens.
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It is just so gorgeous
and such an exemplary manifestation
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of not only Michael's eye and his agility,
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but the camera's ability to register...
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I mean, when the guy comes up
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and reaches into
Bob ite package of cigarettes
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and takes a cigarette out
and puts it back in,
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I mean , you know you're right there
all the time.
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-I mean , it was marvelous.
-Yeah.
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For film making , the uncut shots
are really just fabulous, I think,
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because it conveys a sense
of linear reality.
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And then what Dale is saying ,
with the wide-angle lens
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which increases the impression
of how close you are to someone
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and what you can see around you ,
it's really like being there on the stage.
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And , of course, now, the cameramen
don't really get that kind of intimacy often
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or they have to wear black
and stay out of the shots.
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So, of course, many times
you see all of us in the frame.
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But that's the spirit of the event.
What's the difference?
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Yeah!
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Ladies and gentlemen, Canned Heat!
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MICHAE LANG The lineup was the lineup.
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I think it was pretty much as it happened,
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except it happened on steroids.
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We wanted everybody we loved , and
everybody that we found along the way
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that we thought everybody else
would love.
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JOCKO MARCEINO As we were making
a little buzz, Hendrix came down to see us.
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John Bonham came down to see us
and Frank Zappa came down to see us.
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Kornfeld and ang were hanging out,
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and they said, "We're doing Woodstock."
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And I had been hearing about this.
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I knew the lineup was getting big.
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Sly was going to be on it.
Hendrix was going to be on it.
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And I said to the manager,
"Yes, go find that guy and tell him yes."
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MICHAE CARABEO I think
we had played a few colleges
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and stuff like that. Outdoor things.
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And there was this thing going on
in Woodstock.
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No big deal to us. It was way too far
from San Francisco anyway.
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Somebody had called .
It might've been Michael Lang ,
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who was producing the Woodstock thing.
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Says, "Hey, we need a favor.
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"We need you to get somebody else
on the bill."
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And in fact, we weren't actually
going to do Woodstock.
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We were in the middle of a tour,
and the agent said ,
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"They're doing this festival ,
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"they're anticipating
probably 50, 000 people.
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"Would you like to do it?"
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And when we heard
what they were offering ,
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we turned it down.
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But Frank Barcelona, our agent,
kept on at us,
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'cause he said, "You've got to do it,
'cause they've added Janis,
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"they've added J imi ,
they've added The Who,
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"they've added Airplane."
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So, in the end , we did it.
Thank God we did.
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We wanted to make sure that
nobody was excluded from this event.
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It was planned to be
an Aquarian exposition
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and all that that sort of entails
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which includes sort of
a new wave dealing with people,
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sort of a new openness.
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What is it
the musicians have
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that they can communicate
so well to the kids?
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Music!
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I mean ,
they've always had music.
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Music has always been
a major form of communication ,
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only now, the lyric and the type of music
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is a little bit more involved in society
than it was.
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Probably someone I wanted more
than anyone was Roy Rogers.
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I wanted him to close the show
with Happy Trails,
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'cause we all grew up with Roy Rogers
singing Happy Trails to us at night,
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or Saturday mornings, as it were.
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But his manager didn't think
it was a great idea.
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It's about what's happening now,
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and if you listen to the lyric
and you listen to the rhythm
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and what's in the music,
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then you'll know what's going on
with the culture.
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I gotta split on you.
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Great, groovy. Thanks.
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There was an incident
where I was looking over an invoice
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that I had received from Technicolor,
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who was processing all of the opticals
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that were coming
out of the optical houses.
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And I noticed this invoice,
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and it said that they were
making two prints of the negative.
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I called Technicolor with a really dumb,
naive question.
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I said , "Where does the second print go?"
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"We always send the second print
to New York to Warner Bros.
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"To have them get a look at
what we're producing ."
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You know, what we're printing
for their client.
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I said , "Great. Okay, great."
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Next call , "Bob, we got a problem ."
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We got on the phone with our attorney
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and we physically, at that point,
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shut down our editing
for all intents and purposes.
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We brought all of the negative
into our offices
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and hired a 2-hour security guard
with a gun.
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And Bob flew to New York
to negotiate with these people.
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Once we got it resolved
that Technicolor had absolutely no right,
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since we were the client of record ,
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to make another copy
or to get it anywhere else,
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everything smoothed out again ,
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and the negative went back
to Ed Richards.
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Ed Richards, the negative manager.
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And we continued to put new material
into the optical houses
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to get it processed.
286
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We were that rigid.
287
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We were that determined
to maintain the integrity of this film.
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Can those of you
in the back hear well?
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Raise your hand, please. It's all right?
Thank you.
290
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There were some pretty
interesting announcements.
291
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There were lots of "Meet your sister,"
and "Meet your brother," or
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"Get to the hospital ,
you're having a baby."
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Those kinds of things.
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CHIP MONCK ON PA Helen Savage,
please call your father
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at the Motel Glory in Wood-Ridge.
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By the time, I was appointed MC
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at 7: 00 in the morning by the tap
on the shoulder by Mr. Lang ,
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I had a feeling that it was going
to be mammoth.
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The Daily News, in rather large headlines,
still costing 10 cents,
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"Traffic Uptight At Hippiefest."
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Well , he was there. He was articulate.
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And I had forgotten to book anybody, so...
303
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You could actually hear my knees
rattling together.
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When I first started
on my announcements,
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it was a very uncomfortable feeling.
306
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It got smoother and got easier
because I was frankly in charge,
307
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and why should I be frightened?
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Because I could do anything I needed to.
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Wheat Germ,
Holly has your bag with your medicine.
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Please meet at the information booth
as soon as you can, please.
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I think one of the doctors
came up and said ,
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"If you can , let's see if we can get rid
of this brown acid ."
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And for his hand to be on my back
and just push me downstage,
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which meant it was time to do it now.
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The warning that I've received,
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you may take it with however many
grains of salt you wish,
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that the brown acid that is circulating
around us is not specifically too good.
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That was a very difficult announcement
to make,
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because if you really stomped on it,
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anybody who had taken it could , in fact,
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really end up having
a very unpleasant trip.
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Which acid did I take?
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The green or the brown ?
324
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And that took you to another place
'cause you were tripping.
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So you immediately spiral downward
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just from the announcements.
327
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I really didn't know
how to do it.
328
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That's why there were so many little
colloquialisms and stuff stuffed in there,
329
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"grain of salt," "be my guest,"
330
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because I really wanted to try
and soften it.
331
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It's suggested
that you do stay away from that.
332
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Of course, it's your own trip,
so be my guest,
333
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but please be advised
that there is a warning on that one, okay?
334
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I think you save the harsh ones
for the time you need it.
335
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So it's probably a good idea to be,
certainly not soft and cuddly,
336
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but at least courteous, you know.
337
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Because some people, I suppose,
could be easily offended
338
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by a type of language or an approach.
339
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So you have to be sort of careful in that.
340
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I started to actually tune
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and refine a skill
that I had no idea that I had.
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please,
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with full suturing equipment,
your presence is requested.
344
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You've got a delivery to make.
345
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Both Chip and John Morris
also did some announcing ,
346
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and they both did an amazing job.
I mean , it was just...
347
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It was totally, you know,
surprising to me.
348
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I had no idea they would be that good ,
either one of them.
349
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But it's just one of those things,
350
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like a lot of things about Woodstock,
that worked out perfectly.
351
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Warner Bros. had said
they're going to open this film
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in eight cities at the end of March ,
March 2 and 25,
353
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and they needed to be able to see it.
354
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We were still mixing the film
on March 10, 11 and 12, mind you.
355
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And they said , "We've got to see it,
we've got to see it.
356
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"The exhibitors have got to see it.
We've got to know how long it is."
357
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We had known all along
that the standard length for a movie
358
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is an hour and 50 minutes, 1 -5-0.
359
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And here we were,
virtually double that length.
360
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What he wanted was almost
a four-and-a-half, five hour film.
361
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And , in fact, his first cut
was about seven hours or six hours.
362
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They said , "We want a screening.
363
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"Five of us, suits, will sit in the backroom
of the projection booth
364
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"over here on the Warner Bros. lot,
and we'll take a look at your film ."
365
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And we said, "We'll call you back."
366
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We all looked at each other
and said ,
367
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"Five suits looking at this film?
They'll never get it."
368
00:21:39,548 --> 00:21:44,929
The editors at that time were concerned
369
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about "the studio."
370
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Because the studio was doing ,
you know, big films,
371
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we'd been in the business for years,
372
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but they didn't have the "vision"
373
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that the young hippies of those days had.
374
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And we argued back and forth,
375
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and finally we said that we had invited
several hundred students
376
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from UCLA and USC, other film houses,
377
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to come watch the film
with the Warner Bros. suits.
378
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And we then invited them
379
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and showed them the whole film
at four hours in length.
380
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They had to hop over people
who were lying on the floor,
381
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opening weeds in the back,
382
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and from the first moment,
it was rip-roaring, rocking.
383
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The projectionists were absolutely perfect,
384
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the suits were totally,
totally overwhelmed.
385
00:22:41,944 --> 00:22:45,030
After the screening,
we were more confident than ever
386
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that we had a hit on our hands.
387
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We had a meeting the next day
in which Warner Bros. said , "It's too long ."
388
00:22:54,206 --> 00:23:00,379
I just, you know, couldn't believe it.
You know, Dale had to hold me down.
389
00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:03,215
So the next morning we had a meeting.
390
00:23:03,299 --> 00:23:05,009
And there were certain things
that they said
391
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that we had kind of thought
among ourselves were going to be okay,
392
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that we would have to drop some stuff,
393
00:23:11,807 --> 00:23:14,268
'cause we'd had our own meeting
after the screening ,
394
00:23:14,310 --> 00:23:17,229
and we'd felt even in putting them
into the film
395
00:23:17,313 --> 00:23:20,149
that maybe
they weren't really working properly.
396
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:24,361
But where it came to be the most critical
was at the end.
397
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Warner's wanted
the J imi Hendrix sequence
398
00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:30,326
cut down to three minutes
399
00:23:30,367 --> 00:23:34,163
because they thought it was so sour,
so dark.
400
00:23:34,246 --> 00:23:37,416
They wanted people going out
of the movie cheering , everything else.
401
00:23:37,499 --> 00:23:39,877
And they thought
that this whole rendering
402
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,673
of Jimi's Star-Spangled Banner,
plus the Purple Haze that we had in there,
403
00:23:44,757 --> 00:23:47,384
and all that garbage picking up
and the whatever.
404
00:23:47,384 --> 00:23:49,386
How could you end the movie with that?
405
00:23:49,511 --> 00:23:52,139
I personally edited
that last section
406
00:23:52,222 --> 00:23:56,644
and felt very strongly that we should end
on a disturbing note.
407
00:23:56,727 --> 00:23:59,021
You know, that
this looks like post-holocaust,
408
00:23:59,063 --> 00:24:01,899
and you notice I put in the people
with the crutches
409
00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:06,111
and the casts on their arms
and all the detritus.
410
00:24:06,195 --> 00:24:08,614
It was meant to look like,
411
00:24:08,697 --> 00:24:13,077
wow, you know, will all this good time
end very, very badly?
412
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,538
And that's exactly what I wanted people
to think about.
413
00:24:16,580 --> 00:24:18,540
With this brilliant guitar playing ,
414
00:24:18,582 --> 00:24:23,587
it was really the perfect ending ,
aesthetically, as a filmmaker, for the film.
415
00:24:23,629 --> 00:24:26,924
So I was ready to, you know,
416
00:24:26,965 --> 00:24:30,678
absolutely go to the mat over that issue.
417
00:24:30,761 --> 00:24:35,599
Of course, Michael and I butted heads
in a lot of ways,
418
00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:41,230
but it was always creative.
He was really the creative maven.
419
00:24:41,772 --> 00:24:43,941
And I was the guy from the studio.
420
00:24:44,316 --> 00:24:48,612
There were really vicious remarks
that were thrown back and forth.
421
00:24:49,446 --> 00:24:52,783
We spent the rest of the day
422
00:24:52,866 --> 00:24:58,455
ensuring that we had possession
of the elements that would prevent them
423
00:24:58,539 --> 00:25:00,791
from making a separate cut,
424
00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:04,378
coming up with a two-hour version
that the exhibitors wanted,
425
00:25:04,461 --> 00:25:07,089
because they were saying
the exhibitors wanna turn this film around.
426
00:25:07,131 --> 00:25:08,340
They wanna sell more popcorn.
427
00:25:08,465 --> 00:25:10,175
If they had not agreed with us,
428
00:25:10,259 --> 00:25:13,971
we were prepared
to at least threaten going berserk
429
00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:18,517
and destroying everything
if they didn't put out our version.
430
00:25:18,809 --> 00:25:20,853
But what we finally arrived at,
431
00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:23,731
we would cut down
the J imi Hendrix piece,
432
00:25:23,814 --> 00:25:27,943
which I think was running
at about 15 or 16 minutes,
433
00:25:27,985 --> 00:25:32,322
down to a version
that we felt comfortable with ,
434
00:25:32,406 --> 00:25:35,617
which we had to kind of determine
would be nine or 10 minutes.
435
00:25:35,659 --> 00:25:36,827
It was a compromise,
436
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:41,457
but only as to a certain amount of length
with it,
437
00:25:41,498 --> 00:25:47,504
which , by the way, now's been put all back
into the director's cut.
438
00:25:47,588 --> 00:25:51,425
But by and large, we ended up,
I would say,
439
00:25:51,508 --> 00:25:53,844
with basically what we wanted.
440
00:25:54,094 --> 00:25:56,180
It took a while to get there.
441
00:25:56,263 --> 00:26:00,601
But just two or three weeks beforehand ,
we were still screaming and yelling.
442
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:04,104
But Michael was brilliant.
443
00:26:04,188 --> 00:26:09,067
I mean , you very seldom get a director
who had the vision that he had ,
444
00:26:09,526 --> 00:26:12,529
who's able to shoot the film
the way he told the people to shoot it.
445
00:26:12,613 --> 00:26:15,032
And he was very instrumental in all that.
446
00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:18,410
And as a filmmaker, I thought,
"Wow. There's nothing I wanna change."
447
00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:22,164
I didn't have any second thought,
which is really, really nice.
448
00:26:35,135 --> 00:26:38,013
The summer of 1969,
449
00:26:38,096 --> 00:26:40,474
New York City was abuzz
450
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:44,603
with this whole idea
that there was going to be, somewhere,
451
00:26:44,728 --> 00:26:47,105
at a place yet to be determined,
452
00:26:47,147 --> 00:26:51,026
a huge colossal music festival
453
00:26:51,193 --> 00:26:54,029
called Woodstock Music and Art Fair.
454
00:26:54,112 --> 00:26:59,993
In July of 1969,
Michael Wadleigh knew very little about it,
455
00:27:00,077 --> 00:27:04,873
because he was shooting a film
with Paul Petzoldt
456
00:27:04,957 --> 00:27:07,793
called 30 Days to Survival,
457
00:27:08,418 --> 00:27:12,381
in which Michael survived
and lost 20 pounds.
458
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:15,592
-True?
-Yeah , it was my head ...
459
00:27:15,634 --> 00:27:17,219
-Right.
-.. .that was lost.
460
00:27:17,302 --> 00:27:19,012
Took a long time to re-find it.
461
00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:22,850
As he came back at the end of July,
462
00:27:22,933 --> 00:27:27,563
there was this whole pulsating
in New York among the film community
463
00:27:27,646 --> 00:27:29,481
about this festival.
464
00:27:29,523 --> 00:27:33,569
And there was talk
that the festival producers
465
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:38,949
were looking for filmmakers
to be able to shoot this festival.
466
00:27:38,991 --> 00:27:42,661
We heard this,
and Bob began to sniff around
467
00:27:42,703 --> 00:27:46,498
as to where were the rights to the festival.
468
00:27:46,540 --> 00:27:51,670
At that time, I had just come in
with the new Warner Bros. people.
469
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:56,717
It was Steve Ross and Ted Ashley
had just taken over,
470
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,345
and they had brought me in
to do the youth market.
471
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:06,184
Ahmet Ertegun at Atlantic Records
really had the music rights
472
00:28:06,226 --> 00:28:10,355
and the film rights,
all in a package for 100, 000 dollars.
473
00:28:10,439 --> 00:28:11,982
But there was no deal with anybody,
474
00:28:12,065 --> 00:28:15,444
not with the producers,
not with any of the performers,
475
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:19,531
certainly not with Ahmet Ertegun
at Atlantic Records, nobody.
476
00:28:19,573 --> 00:28:21,575
It was really
because of the persuasive efforts
477
00:28:21,658 --> 00:28:25,287
of Artie Kornfeld,
who I had known in the Village.
478
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:30,208
And he, with this great enthusiasm ,
convinced me, and we went from there.
479
00:28:31,126 --> 00:28:34,630
After they turned me down cold ,
I went back and said , "I'm leaving ."
480
00:28:34,713 --> 00:28:39,760
They said , "Okay, Fred , it's only 350, 000 dollars.
Don't worry about it."
481
00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:55,651
The Saturday before the Friday
when the music began ,
482
00:28:56,234 --> 00:29:02,783
Michael and I , and John Binder,
and Larry Johnson , and Thelma,
483
00:29:02,866 --> 00:29:05,869
we all went up to the site
in about three cars,
484
00:29:05,911 --> 00:29:10,958
and we got to Max Yasgur's farm
at about noon.
485
00:29:11,041 --> 00:29:16,046
And there were so much turmoil,
but organized chaos going on at the site.
486
00:29:16,088 --> 00:29:20,884
And that was the moment at which
we all looked at each other
487
00:29:20,926 --> 00:29:26,098
and said , "We can figure out
how to get the people together,
488
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,767
"get the camera people together,
get the gear together,
489
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:31,436
"get the supplies together,
490
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,273
"and get up to that site
by Thursday morning
491
00:29:35,315 --> 00:29:39,528
"before the music began on Friday.
We can do this."
492
00:30:05,846 --> 00:30:08,682
JACK CASADY In the beginning,
access roads became so congested
493
00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:11,977
that by the time we actually went in
494
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,937
for what was supposed to be
a sound check or whatnot,
495
00:30:14,062 --> 00:30:15,397
once you got in , you didn't leave.
496
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,650
It reminded me of a Cecil B. DeMille
production movie,
497
00:30:18,734 --> 00:30:22,112
of all the extras portraying
the grandest army you ever saw.
498
00:30:22,154 --> 00:30:25,741
We were standing on the curbs
watching them come in last night,
499
00:30:25,782 --> 00:30:27,367
all the townspeople.
500
00:30:27,451 --> 00:30:30,287
It was just like an army invading a town.
501
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:31,788
- Really?
-It was hard to believe.
502
00:30:31,872 --> 00:30:35,584
Rows and rows of cars on each side
of the dirt access road
503
00:30:35,667 --> 00:30:39,087
didn't leave quite enough room
for one vehicle.
504
00:30:39,171 --> 00:30:42,340
I was driving. I took the trim
off both sides of the station wagon.
505
00:30:42,382 --> 00:30:44,843
We went through about 200 cars
506
00:30:44,926 --> 00:30:48,764
with the sides of the station wagon
scraping the whole way, you know.
507
00:30:48,847 --> 00:30:52,017
And it was.. .
Sorry, folks, whoever owned those cars.
508
00:30:52,059 --> 00:30:55,979
Well, we drove up to
what was then the Holiday Inn in iberty.
509
00:30:56,021 --> 00:30:57,689
And in the lobby there
and in the coffee shop,
510
00:30:57,731 --> 00:31:00,776
everybody was there.
And , I mean , I knew most of the people,
511
00:31:00,859 --> 00:31:03,570
Hendrix and Janis Joplin ...
512
00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,073
And so I got a bit of an idea
what it was like.
513
00:31:06,156 --> 00:31:07,240
Everybody
was outside standing,
514
00:31:07,324 --> 00:31:09,409
going , "What the hell is going on?"
515
00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:11,119
And all of a sudden ,
we see the National Guard ,
516
00:31:11,203 --> 00:31:13,997
and , "Is there a war going on?
What's going on?"
517
00:31:14,081 --> 00:31:16,374
The only way to get in there
is by helicopter.
518
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,419
We booked helicopters
before the weekend for emergencies.
519
00:31:19,461 --> 00:31:22,089
As the traffic
became more and more dense,
520
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:24,758
we realized that we were gonna have
a problem getting performers in ,
521
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,387
and so we booked more helicopters
and we just kept doing that hourly,
522
00:31:29,429 --> 00:31:30,972
adding helicopters.
523
00:31:31,098 --> 00:31:34,976
We apologize
for the noise of the choppity-choppity,
524
00:31:35,102 --> 00:31:38,230
but it seems there are a few cars
blocking the road,
525
00:31:38,313 --> 00:31:39,981
so we're flying everybody in.
526
00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,192
The helicopter arrived,
and we were about to get on it,
527
00:31:42,275 --> 00:31:44,694
and these guys pushed in front of us.
528
00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:48,406
And I was gonna argue the toss with them ,
as I have a habit of doing.
529
00:31:48,657 --> 00:31:52,994
And it turned out it was Crosby, Stills,
Nash & Young and Albert Grossman
530
00:31:53,036 --> 00:31:55,455
going to do a recce of the site.
531
00:31:55,497 --> 00:31:57,791
So we waited for the next helicopter.
532
00:31:57,833 --> 00:32:00,669
So we took a helicopter
down to the gig ,
533
00:32:00,752 --> 00:32:02,754
maybe three hours before
we were due to play.
534
00:32:02,838 --> 00:32:06,883
We could see that it was
like some sort of war zone, really.
535
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:11,513
And it was about a 10-minute flight
from there to the Woodstock actual site.
536
00:32:11,555 --> 00:32:15,517
I got to be in a helicopter
with Jerry Garcia and Michael Shrieve.
537
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,395
Got up and got high in the sky
and looked down
538
00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:20,105
and saw all these people
and just couldn't believe it,
539
00:32:20,188 --> 00:32:23,066
with the door open , mind you .
And Jerry just thought it was...
540
00:32:23,150 --> 00:32:26,027
"Can you believe it?
ook at all those people down there."
541
00:32:26,069 --> 00:32:29,239
It was just overwhelming,
way, way overwhelming.
542
00:32:32,284 --> 00:32:36,329
MARTIN SCORSESE Michael Wadleigh
and I had an idea to do a concert film
543
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:38,540
utilizing, of course, 16mm equipment.
544
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,627
I was in the motion picture workshop
that summer.
545
00:32:42,878 --> 00:32:44,880
There was this big event
that was gonna occur,
546
00:32:44,963 --> 00:32:48,383
some festival, a music festival
up in the country somewhere,
547
00:32:48,466 --> 00:32:49,467
a place called Woodstock.
548
00:32:49,926 --> 00:32:54,681
Think of this. There are half a dozen of us
working in this office
549
00:32:54,764 --> 00:32:59,394
on 81st Street and Broadway,
on the second floor of that building.
550
00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:03,815
There is, in the icebox,
551
00:33:03,899 --> 00:33:07,569
about ten boxes of short ends
of raw stock.
552
00:33:07,652 --> 00:33:11,281
There is about 2, 000 dollars in the bank.
553
00:33:11,698 --> 00:33:15,744
The festival is going to begin in five days.
554
00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:22,250
We have the chutzpah to think
that we can put together this team.
555
00:33:22,334 --> 00:33:24,920
Nobody could
land the rights to do it.
556
00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:26,796
There was no money
being offered up front.
557
00:33:27,005 --> 00:33:29,382
So Wadleigh just took a huge gamble,
558
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,886
and we assembled everybody we knew
559
00:33:32,928 --> 00:33:37,766
and went off
into this mad , crazy world.
560
00:33:37,807 --> 00:33:40,018
We had no idea
what we were getting into.
561
00:33:40,268 --> 00:33:43,605
I think that all of us felt that
there was something happening there
562
00:33:43,647 --> 00:33:46,274
that we would never regret.
563
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,402
Certainly, again , really,
564
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:52,697
I don't think we had the dollar sign first,
565
00:33:52,781 --> 00:33:55,617
if we had ,
I know we wouldn't have done it.
566
00:33:55,659 --> 00:33:58,203
I think we wanted the adventure of it,
567
00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:03,124
and for me, I really, really wanted
to carry out these experiments.
568
00:34:03,166 --> 00:34:04,960
-And it was salivating to think.. .
-Right, right.
569
00:34:05,001 --> 00:34:08,672
...that this collection of rock and roll people
was going to be there.
570
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,841
And as a filmmaker... "What the hell!
571
00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:14,970
"Et's just go and film these
legendary groups."
572
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,641
It's Monday morning.
Wads has gone up to the site.
573
00:34:19,683 --> 00:34:24,479
We had discussed the people
who we want to work on the project.
574
00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:27,857
And remember, there are no faxes.
There are no cell phones.
575
00:34:27,941 --> 00:34:30,151
There are no Fed Ex.
There are no computers.
576
00:34:30,235 --> 00:34:32,570
There's no nothing but payphones.
577
00:34:32,696 --> 00:34:37,575
So, Dick Pearce in Hartford ,
got him to get on his motorcycle.
578
00:34:37,659 --> 00:34:40,578
Don Pearce, David Myers, Stan Pearce...
579
00:34:40,662 --> 00:34:43,540
Dale was mentioning
the best cameramen on the East Coast.
580
00:34:43,623 --> 00:34:46,001
-You know, we tried.. .
-And on the West Coast.
581
00:34:46,042 --> 00:34:47,627
-And the West Coast, too.
-Right. Right.
582
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:50,171
With David Myers,
who had come in on his own.
583
00:34:50,255 --> 00:34:53,967
"David , you're going to get paid * 125.
It's going to be an adventure.
584
00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:57,178
"Can you put it on your card and
maybe we'll pay you when you get here?"
585
00:34:57,262 --> 00:35:00,682
Or maybe we'll pay you after the fact.
I mean , that's what it was.
586
00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:02,767
Bob Maurice was scurrying
around New York
587
00:35:02,851 --> 00:35:06,313
trying to find out where the rights were
and who was going on.
588
00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:08,231
Just constant around the clock with me
589
00:35:08,315 --> 00:35:11,234
and Sonya Pearce
and a couple of other people,
590
00:35:11,318 --> 00:35:15,989
just making phone calls on time zones
to coordinate it.
591
00:35:16,031 --> 00:35:18,199
But, you know, I think this is a microcosm
592
00:35:18,241 --> 00:35:20,827
of how the whole festival
was pulled off really.
593
00:35:20,869 --> 00:35:24,164
I think, equally,
they just pieced it all together
594
00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:27,834
and made that happen and that happen
and that happen.
595
00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:32,088
And like we were saying earlier,
that's very hard to do today.
596
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:35,133
We had really first-rate,
you could call them cameramen-directors,
597
00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:40,013
who were very used to going out,
taking an assignment
598
00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:41,556
and bringing back the footage.
599
00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:47,187
We'd have about four,
call them "documentary teams,"
600
00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:52,192
that would be wandering around ,
either on motorcycles or on foot,
601
00:35:52,233 --> 00:35:59,240
going out into the non-music portions
to try to get representative samples
602
00:35:59,282 --> 00:36:05,205
of what sociological and psychological ,
and indeed , physical activities
603
00:36:05,288 --> 00:36:07,123
were going on all around the stage.
604
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,834
We would send out people
and have no idea where they were.
605
00:36:09,876 --> 00:36:12,587
They would send back.
We'd hear a request for film ,
606
00:36:12,670 --> 00:36:15,423
you know, or a battery,
they were out of a battery.
607
00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:20,345
We would try to communicate
on a semi-regular basis.
608
00:36:20,387 --> 00:36:23,056
First thing in the morning ,
we would try to talk,
609
00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:24,432
the documentary team would talk,
610
00:36:24,516 --> 00:36:26,935
I know I would with them
and John Binder.
611
00:36:26,976 --> 00:36:29,687
And we would try and find out,
"What did you get?
612
00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:31,731
"What have we heard is going to happen?
613
00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:35,485
"It would be really good if you could
get up to X by noon.
614
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:38,113
"Try and get back,
send somebody back to us by noon ,
615
00:36:38,154 --> 00:36:39,906
"so we know what you've done.
616
00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:44,160
"Because we may have something new
for you to do in the afternoon ."
617
00:36:47,372 --> 00:36:50,125
Please walk on the grass.
618
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:53,420
Please walk on the grass.
619
00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:55,755
Hold it.
620
00:36:56,464 --> 00:36:59,592
Walk on the sides of the road
if you're gonna walk through here.
621
00:36:59,676 --> 00:37:02,595
And one of my jobs
was to try and get Chip Monck,
622
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:06,766
who was lighting the show for the festival ,
623
00:37:06,808 --> 00:37:09,978
to please give us some more light at times
when there were groups
624
00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,147
that Wadleigh would scream to me,
625
00:37:12,188 --> 00:37:15,233
he would be bent over that Éclair camera,
626
00:37:15,316 --> 00:37:18,194
"Get me some light, get me some light!
I can't see them ."
627
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:21,072
I would go over to Chip and say,
"Could we have a little more light?"
628
00:37:21,156 --> 00:37:24,534
And he would say,
"I'm lighting for those people out there!
629
00:37:24,576 --> 00:37:26,369
"I'm not lighting for your movie!"
630
00:37:42,385 --> 00:37:46,681
The lighting is not
taking into consideration the camera.
631
00:37:46,764 --> 00:37:49,225
It's lighting for a show,
and that became a problem.
632
00:37:49,642 --> 00:37:53,062
That became a serious problem
for the cameramen , Michael and everyone.
633
00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:57,108
She was trying to get Chip
to give us more light,
634
00:37:57,192 --> 00:37:58,985
and he was trying to make a show.
635
00:37:59,068 --> 00:38:01,446
We kept asking the groups
for their playlists.
636
00:38:01,529 --> 00:38:03,364
And generally, they would give them to us,
637
00:38:03,448 --> 00:38:05,450
"Here's the order and songs."
So we'd say, "Oh , great!
638
00:38:05,492 --> 00:38:07,827
"Well , these are the songs we wanna do."
639
00:38:07,911 --> 00:38:10,330
And then , we wouldn't start,
and here would come a song
640
00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,540
that we would want to do
that was number five,
641
00:38:12,624 --> 00:38:13,666
and they were opening with it.
642
00:38:13,791 --> 00:38:17,295
And this happened time and again ,
so we'd all scramble, you know.
643
00:38:17,337 --> 00:38:19,506
So after that, we sort of set a rule that
644
00:38:19,547 --> 00:38:23,009
we would start shooting
just the first few seconds,
645
00:38:23,051 --> 00:38:26,763
and then I would either wave them off
and say, "No, no, no, we're not gonna go,"
646
00:38:26,846 --> 00:38:28,556
or we would continue.
647
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,813
We couldn't afford just to film all the time.
648
00:38:35,897 --> 00:38:38,983
It was simply impossible
because the groups never would go off.
649
00:38:39,067 --> 00:38:41,611
Once they came on ,
they didn't want to leave.
650
00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,822
Who had ever played
before such a gigantic audience?
651
00:38:44,864 --> 00:38:47,617
So they just kept going and going,
and going and going.
652
00:38:51,871 --> 00:38:53,873
Thelma and I and others had talked about
653
00:38:53,957 --> 00:38:56,709
how we would do these
elaborate multiple image shoots
654
00:38:56,751 --> 00:38:59,295
and how they'd be coordinated and ...
655
00:38:59,379 --> 00:39:01,089
-Wow!
-With headsets.
656
00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:02,715
-With headsets. Right.
-With headsets,
657
00:39:02,757 --> 00:39:05,635
and we would say,
I had this idea that I'd say,
658
00:39:05,718 --> 00:39:09,597
"I'm on wide, go tight, go tight,
you know, now pan. Everybody, pan ."
659
00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:11,307
And the headsets failed.
660
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:15,520
Or there'd be just horrible feedback
that would just blow your ears out.
661
00:39:15,603 --> 00:39:16,813
Or no one could hear you ,
662
00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:20,233
because, of course,
these groups were incredibly loud.
663
00:39:20,316 --> 00:39:24,404
We had all these fantastic plans about
how coordinated we would be,
664
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:26,739
as if we were like a TV shoot.
665
00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:29,909
Again , it was more analogous
to thinking about being
666
00:39:29,993 --> 00:39:33,997
in Beirut or something ,
you know, with the bombs going off
667
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,207
and , "Pan left, pan.. ." "What?"
668
00:39:36,291 --> 00:39:38,376
Everybody was really in a separate silo,
669
00:39:38,459 --> 00:39:41,921
that phrase that we use today,
but that's exactly where everybody was.
670
00:39:41,963 --> 00:39:43,965
But they were at least positioned ,
671
00:39:44,048 --> 00:39:46,467
and they all had tremendous instinct.
672
00:39:48,511 --> 00:39:51,806
Remember,
guys and gals out there,
673
00:39:51,889 --> 00:39:54,225
we've got two different physical objects,
674
00:39:54,267 --> 00:39:57,103
one, a soundtrack, and one, film.
675
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,189
Nothing connects them at all .
We're free-floating.
676
00:40:00,231 --> 00:40:03,026
So you've got to get them together,
because you don't wanna put
677
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:06,029
Santana's music with Hendrix's image.
678
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,239
We hired
a large group of people
679
00:40:08,281 --> 00:40:12,619
just to sync the dailies for months, by eye.
680
00:40:12,702 --> 00:40:16,623
We weren't able to get slates,
we had "beep lights,"
681
00:40:16,664 --> 00:40:19,417
but again , things weren't working and ...
682
00:40:20,543 --> 00:40:21,753
It was a nightmare.
683
00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:27,091
Since there were no slates,
no technical slates and no visual slates,
684
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:33,348
we would rent a single-headed Moviola,
and a soundtrack player.
685
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,267
It did put us in a manic state
at a certain point.
686
00:40:36,351 --> 00:40:38,269
We'd be so excited , we'd be running out,
"We got it in sync! "
687
00:40:38,311 --> 00:40:39,812
We'd come back in , it was out again.
688
00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:45,443
This is what was going on 2 hours a day
with a team of about 0 people
689
00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:48,488
in a space that was 2,00 square feet,
690
00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,240
where each editing table
was literally touching
691
00:40:51,324 --> 00:40:53,076
another editing table.
692
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,496
Once we got sync on all of...
693
00:40:56,579 --> 00:40:59,999
We only fed them every other day,
because of...
694
00:41:00,083 --> 00:41:02,335
-They didn't get too big .
-I mean , it was unreal.
695
00:41:02,377 --> 00:41:03,461
It was totally unreal.
696
00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:05,713
You'd get a phone call at 200
in the morning
697
00:41:05,797 --> 00:41:09,384
saying, "Where's the reel
on Creedence Clearwater?" or whatever.
698
00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:12,512
But systematic labeling,
the systematic logging,
699
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:14,514
all of that were absolutely paramount.
700
00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:19,352
No computers, no Excel sheets,
it all had to be done by hand.
701
00:41:19,394 --> 00:41:23,898
The festival was August 15, 16, 17.
702
00:41:23,981 --> 00:41:27,777
The syncing was not completed until
703
00:41:27,902 --> 00:41:31,447
towards the end of September,
early October.
704
00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:37,328
We kind of knew
that if you bring Hendrix,
705
00:41:37,412 --> 00:41:41,457
if you bring Janis Joplin,
if you bring The Who,
706
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:45,002
the entire axis of the planet
is going to tilt.
707
00:41:45,044 --> 00:41:47,004
Everyone's gonna try and get there.
708
00:41:47,088 --> 00:41:51,884
This idea of Woodstock
happening because it was a free show,
709
00:41:51,968 --> 00:41:53,761
I think, is a little inaccurate.
710
00:41:53,845 --> 00:41:57,140
I think most people were coming
looking for places to buy tickets.
711
00:41:57,181 --> 00:41:59,851
They couldn't buy tickets
'cause they weren't available anywhere.
712
00:41:59,892 --> 00:42:01,811
We never got the ticket booths in place.
713
00:42:02,478 --> 00:42:07,191
This is one thing that I was
gonna wait a while before we talked about,
714
00:42:07,233 --> 00:42:10,236
but maybe we'll talk about it now
so you can think about it.
715
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:12,655
It's a free concert from now on.
716
00:42:16,242 --> 00:42:18,286
At one point, somebody
told me, "Marty, come here, take a look."
717
00:42:18,369 --> 00:42:20,288
So I went up,
and I went to the lip of the stage,
718
00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:24,375
and I saw this massive
sort of impressionist painting.
719
00:42:24,459 --> 00:42:27,420
I'm a paranoid New Yorker.
There were times I got nervous,
720
00:42:27,503 --> 00:42:29,589
"What if something goes wrong?"
721
00:42:30,757 --> 00:42:33,760
Yeah , but the interesting thing
about Woodstock
722
00:42:33,843 --> 00:42:35,887
is that it didn't, you see?
723
00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:37,722
That was the beauty of it, I think.
724
00:42:37,764 --> 00:42:42,351
What we have in mind
is breakfast in bed for 400, 000.
725
00:42:45,438 --> 00:42:46,647
JOHNNY WINTER Started to say
wall-to-wall people,
726
00:42:46,731 --> 00:42:48,191
but there weren't any walls.
727
00:42:48,274 --> 00:42:50,401
It was just everywhere,
as far as you could see,
728
00:42:50,443 --> 00:42:52,236
-just people.
-Yeah.
729
00:42:52,278 --> 00:42:54,530
WINTER People, mud and rain.
730
00:42:54,614 --> 00:42:56,908
The overall thing
which was so big about it is
731
00:42:56,991 --> 00:43:01,162
you had so many people there
of all races and colors,
732
00:43:01,245 --> 00:43:03,998
and there was no fights,
and everybody got along ,
733
00:43:04,081 --> 00:43:05,750
and it got organized somehow.
734
00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:07,460
There have been
many events
735
00:43:07,543 --> 00:43:10,421
that have gathered many people,
you know, in the last 40 years,
736
00:43:10,505 --> 00:43:13,800
but realistically,
they weren't all in the same headspace.
737
00:43:13,883 --> 00:43:16,761
It was about our generation
getting together and showing them
738
00:43:16,844 --> 00:43:19,430
that we didn't have to go to war,
we didn't have to have jobs,
739
00:43:19,472 --> 00:43:22,099
we were gonna play music
and turn the world around.
740
00:43:25,686 --> 00:43:29,190
No rain! No rain! No rain!
741
00:43:29,899 --> 00:43:32,068
Joe Cooker arrived .
Joe went on and played ,
742
00:43:32,151 --> 00:43:35,488
and I think we were gonna go on after him ,
and then , that's when the rain started.
743
00:43:36,030 --> 00:43:39,200
All right, everybody,
just sit down, wrap yourself up.
744
00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:41,452
We're gonna have to ride it out.
745
00:43:43,204 --> 00:43:45,039
Hold on to your neighbor, man.
746
00:43:45,122 --> 00:43:47,250
No rain! No rain! No rain!
747
00:43:47,375 --> 00:43:51,671
-No rain ! No rain ! No rain ! No rain !
-No rain ! No rain ! No rain ! No rain!
748
00:43:51,754 --> 00:43:54,423
The next thing I know it was
pouring down with rain ,
749
00:43:54,465 --> 00:43:56,467
I mean , it's turned into a torrential rain.
750
00:44:01,597 --> 00:44:03,558
I remember 'cause I was freezing cold.
751
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,269
I had just a tank top on , you know,
with no sleeves.
752
00:44:06,978 --> 00:44:09,313
And it was very, very cold at first.
753
00:44:09,397 --> 00:44:14,235
And they brought in great, big
cardboard boxes of scraps of material.
754
00:44:14,277 --> 00:44:16,028
It was like being on a refugee...
755
00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,865
I imagine what a refugee camp was like,
you know.
756
00:44:18,948 --> 00:44:20,992
To me, it was a mini-tornado.
757
00:44:21,075 --> 00:44:23,369
-It was, yeah .
-Yeah , they didn't say it was,
758
00:44:23,452 --> 00:44:26,622
but that was my introduction to
tornadoes, of which I've been in two more.
759
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:29,292
They had a VIP area
at the side of the stage
760
00:44:29,333 --> 00:44:30,626
where people could watch,
761
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:33,337
groupies and press and whatever you like
could watch the band,
762
00:44:33,421 --> 00:44:35,172
they had to close that down
763
00:44:35,256 --> 00:44:39,802
to take the strain off the stage,
because it was slipping down the hill.
764
00:44:39,969 --> 00:44:41,679
And there is a clip in the movie
765
00:44:41,762 --> 00:44:44,473
of this young kid running down
towards the camera, and he says,
766
00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:46,434
"This is the American government!
They're doing this!
767
00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:48,019
"They've been spraying the clouds, man."
768
00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:49,103
I've got something to say.
769
00:44:49,145 --> 00:44:51,522
I want to know how come the fascist pigs
have been seeding the clouds?
770
00:44:51,606 --> 00:44:53,024
Right, for the last hour and a half.
771
00:44:53,107 --> 00:44:54,692
'Cause I've seen the airplanes
going over twice
772
00:44:54,775 --> 00:44:57,945
with all the smoke coming out of them ,
seeding the clouds,
773
00:44:57,987 --> 00:45:01,115
and I want to know, you know,
why that stuff is going down , man ,
774
00:45:01,157 --> 00:45:04,785
and why doesn't the media
report that stuff to the people, man?
775
00:45:05,202 --> 00:45:07,246
And with current events,
you really have to wonder
776
00:45:07,330 --> 00:45:09,498
if that, maybe, was the case.
777
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:13,002
'Cause I know the FBI and the CIA
were very, very nervous...
778
00:45:13,044 --> 00:45:15,671
-It's getting to conspiracy theories.
-.. .of all that many people, you know.
779
00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:18,341
Technically, it was a horror, you know,
780
00:45:18,466 --> 00:45:22,678
because it stopped
many things from working.
781
00:45:22,929 --> 00:45:25,681
The wiring was flooded.
782
00:45:25,723 --> 00:45:27,892
I remember, when we went on stage,
783
00:45:27,975 --> 00:45:31,395
in between the wires, it was like water.
784
00:45:32,438 --> 00:45:34,398
You can squeeze
those two conductors together
785
00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:36,525
and get a monstrous zap.
786
00:45:36,609 --> 00:45:38,402
It goes through your mind , "Well ,
787
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:41,614
"this could be our best
and last show here."
788
00:45:48,913 --> 00:45:50,915
There were just people every place,
I mean , it just...
789
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:54,418
Started to say wall-to-wall people,
but there weren't any walls.
790
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:56,671
It was just everywhere,
as far as you could see,
791
00:45:56,754 --> 00:45:58,589
-just people.
Yeah.
792
00:45:58,631 --> 00:46:00,424
People, mud and rain.
793
00:46:01,717 --> 00:46:03,052
GRACE SLICK Some of them
were even playing in it.
794
00:46:03,094 --> 00:46:04,637
And I thought,
"Well, thank God you're young."
795
00:46:04,845 --> 00:46:08,265
Take off your clothes and play in the mud.
796
00:46:08,349 --> 00:46:10,601
HUGH HEFNER: I was glad I wasn't there,
797
00:46:10,685 --> 00:46:13,604
but I don't think I would've
enjoyed all the mud.
798
00:46:14,689 --> 00:46:17,525
I'm very glad it happened , in hindsight,
799
00:46:17,608 --> 00:46:20,736
because it was a wonderful settling event,
800
00:46:20,778 --> 00:46:24,031
because you could look around
and everybody looked the same.
801
00:46:24,115 --> 00:46:25,950
Drowned rats.
802
00:46:26,033 --> 00:46:27,868
That's really what was amazing
about the whole thing ,
803
00:46:27,952 --> 00:46:30,287
is that the conditions weren't good at all ,
804
00:46:30,371 --> 00:46:32,581
but nobody seemed to care, you know.
805
00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:41,048
KRAMER When I think back
on Woodstock, I just think,
806
00:46:41,090 --> 00:46:42,550
"I'm gonna shut myself up in
807
00:46:42,675 --> 00:46:46,721
"this little eight by eight
portion of this tractor trailer,
808
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:50,016
"and whatever happens,
just try to get this stuff
809
00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:51,809
"on tape as best as I can ."
810
00:46:51,851 --> 00:46:53,436
He couldn't see anything.
811
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,397
All he could do was to listen and guess,
812
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,316
"I hear something through that mike,
it must be here."
813
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,901
KRAMER As far as the gear
was concerned,
814
00:47:00,985 --> 00:47:03,779
literally, it was a 12-channel console
815
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:05,948
with a couple of Shure mixers stacked
on top of it,
816
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:09,827
and one of the eight-track machines
was in an orange crate.
817
00:47:09,910 --> 00:47:14,582
It was hung together with wire and string
and chewing gum.
818
00:47:14,623 --> 00:47:18,961
And we were in the back corner
of a tractor trailer,
819
00:47:19,045 --> 00:47:23,549
literally, maybe eight foot by eight foot,
if that.
820
00:47:24,717 --> 00:47:26,969
And that's where I was stuck
for the whole three days.
821
00:47:27,136 --> 00:47:31,766
He did not have 2 tracks
that we have today, or 32 or 68.
822
00:47:31,849 --> 00:47:33,184
He had eight tracks,
823
00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:37,730
one of which was devoted , thankfully,
to our sync signal.
824
00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:40,941
So, essentially, I'm dealing with
seven channels of audio,
825
00:47:41,025 --> 00:47:43,027
which includes the audience
826
00:47:43,069 --> 00:47:45,821
and horns and vocals
827
00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:49,575
and drums and bass and guitars
and everything else, so...
828
00:48:05,466 --> 00:48:09,470
After the first number, the first act,
829
00:48:09,553 --> 00:48:12,264
all communication was just in the toilet,
830
00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:15,434
because who knew
what was going on after that?
831
00:48:15,476 --> 00:48:21,732
So we had to utilize
the first song of each set
832
00:48:21,774 --> 00:48:28,322
as the sort of trial by fire
and trial by error.
833
00:48:28,405 --> 00:48:31,200
It was complete chaos,
but we did it.
834
00:48:31,283 --> 00:48:33,077
I mean , you know, that was the challenge.
835
00:48:36,747 --> 00:48:40,084
Ladies and gentlemen,
the Sha Na Na! Harold, turn up the mike.
836
00:48:49,176 --> 00:48:51,470
If we hadn't been at Woodstock,
837
00:48:53,305 --> 00:48:55,808
I don't think Sha Na Na would've had
any of the success it's had.
838
00:48:55,891 --> 00:48:59,645
They were, I think, completely shocked
when I booked them.
839
00:48:59,812 --> 00:49:02,857
I think that they didn't really
take it seriously.
840
00:49:02,898 --> 00:49:06,026
I saw them at The Scene,
Steve Paul's club,
841
00:49:06,068 --> 00:49:09,655
and I thought, "You know,
what a great light moment this would be ! "
842
00:49:09,697 --> 00:49:14,034
And you know, kind of a nod to
the rock and roll roots that we all had ,
843
00:49:14,076 --> 00:49:15,452
so I thought it would be fun for everybody.
844
00:49:15,536 --> 00:49:18,038
I mean , you can't get too heavy
all the time, so...
845
00:49:18,122 --> 00:49:21,542
Well , I have to say that
the whole Sha Na Na career,
846
00:49:22,251 --> 00:49:24,086
celebrating our 40th,
847
00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,548
may not have ever happened.
848
00:49:27,631 --> 00:49:31,927
So we owe a ton to it, I think,
more than any other act that was there.
849
00:49:37,808 --> 00:49:41,562
I've seen the world ,
and I've become very comfortable
850
00:49:41,645 --> 00:49:43,939
and thankful that I had this career,
851
00:49:43,981 --> 00:49:46,901
and it wouldn't have happened
without Woodstock.
852
00:49:46,984 --> 00:49:49,195
And there was only one Woodstock.
853
00:49:56,410 --> 00:49:58,120
And it did change my life
in that sense that
854
00:49:58,204 --> 00:50:00,706
the music also fixed me a certain way,
855
00:50:00,789 --> 00:50:02,124
seeing it performed that way,
856
00:50:02,166 --> 00:50:07,087
being right there with that music,
hearing the sound go through you.
857
00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:10,674
I'd always wanted to play music.
I love music.
858
00:50:10,758 --> 00:50:14,428
And so it was a major factor
859
00:50:14,511 --> 00:50:17,640
in all my other work and my films
and everything else.
860
00:50:17,723 --> 00:50:21,685
That was an extraordinary cathartic
situation with that music.
861
00:50:22,770 --> 00:50:27,608
A very, very powerful ,
powerful feeling.
862
00:50:32,321 --> 00:50:35,866
Steve Ross and Ted Ashley
had just taken over Warner Bros.
863
00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:39,828
And they had decided
almost in a funny kind of way
864
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,958
that with all the movies that they saw
that they had when they took over,
865
00:50:44,041 --> 00:50:46,418
that maybe they were gonna
sell the studio.
866
00:50:46,502 --> 00:50:49,546
And Woodstock basically
saved the studio,
867
00:50:49,588 --> 00:50:52,466
and became the fact
that they made movies
868
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:55,594
'cause of what happened
to the Woodstock film.
869
00:50:55,678 --> 00:50:59,056
Well , several writers wrote
that Woodstock saved the studio.
870
00:50:59,139 --> 00:51:02,977
At the time, several , Variety and others,
871
00:51:03,018 --> 00:51:07,147
said that this strange hippie piece
and that...
872
00:51:07,189 --> 00:51:08,983
And by the way, I will say,
873
00:51:09,108 --> 00:51:11,819
one good thing was that
once it became a hit,
874
00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:13,487
I had a wonderful experience
875
00:51:13,529 --> 00:51:15,990
traveling around the world with the film ,
876
00:51:16,031 --> 00:51:19,702
able to speak about its politics
and cultural significance.
877
00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:24,790
I didn't think any of the musicians there
expected it to be anything.
878
00:51:24,832 --> 00:51:26,333
And they just went along to play.
879
00:51:26,417 --> 00:51:28,961
And stoned as some of them were
on one thing or another,
880
00:51:29,044 --> 00:51:31,046
there was no ulterior motive.
881
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:35,259
And the audience turned up,
not expecting anything.
882
00:51:35,301 --> 00:51:37,594
So the whole thing
was a spontaneous thing ,
883
00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:38,887
and the energy was there,
884
00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:40,681
and when you organize something ,
885
00:51:40,764 --> 00:51:44,768
that thing can never be captured ,
never ever.
886
00:51:44,810 --> 00:51:46,312
That's the difference.
887
00:51:46,395 --> 00:51:48,647
And I think
that's why people find it fascinating.
888
00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:01,493
LANG: It's been very gratifying, you know.
889
00:52:01,577 --> 00:52:04,371
I'm delighted to have been affiliated with it.
890
00:52:06,373 --> 00:52:11,420
It obviously took the energies
of lots of people,
891
00:52:12,379 --> 00:52:16,508
and I'm certainly
eternally grateful to all of them.
892
00:52:17,509 --> 00:52:18,552
It was a very special time,
893
00:52:18,635 --> 00:52:20,929
and I was thrilled to be
a part of making it happen
894
00:52:21,013 --> 00:52:22,890
and thrilled to be a part of it happening.
895
00:52:23,265 --> 00:52:25,184
So, it's always been gratifying.
896
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:28,270
I mean , I've spoken to lots of people
over the years,
897
00:52:28,354 --> 00:52:31,148
and I can't tell you
how many times people tell me
898
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:33,025
that it changed their lives
in a very positive way.
899
00:52:33,108 --> 00:52:34,693
So it's very gratifying.
900
00:52:34,735 --> 00:52:36,612
It's a great, great festival.
901
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:39,698
One of the best there's ever been.
902
00:52:40,032 --> 00:52:43,660
I think it is the most important
rock and roll show in history.
903
00:52:43,952 --> 00:52:50,834
It is the symbolism of Woodstock
that is so much alive today
904
00:52:51,335 --> 00:52:53,379
that can be carried forward
905
00:52:53,462 --> 00:52:58,759
and it can be replicated ,
duplicated , implemented
906
00:52:59,343 --> 00:53:04,098
by every individual, whether they went,
whether they saw it,
907
00:53:04,181 --> 00:53:07,518
whether they raise their hand
saying they were there and they weren't.
908
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:12,940
Those people who are encased
in the spirit, infused with the spirit
909
00:53:12,981 --> 00:53:15,692
and the essence
of what Woodstock represented.
910
00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:18,654
I mean , it did have an impact.
It had an impact.
911
00:53:18,737 --> 00:53:21,824
And I think maybe it was because
that many people gathered together.
912
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:26,703
They were all kind of
the hippie culture, if you like.
913
00:53:27,496 --> 00:53:29,289
And there wasn't that much trouble.
914
00:53:29,456 --> 00:53:32,459
We think the people of this country
should be proud of these kids.
915
00:53:32,501 --> 00:53:35,462
Notwithstanding the way they dress
or the way they wear their hair,
916
00:53:35,546 --> 00:53:37,297
that's their own personal business.
917
00:53:37,381 --> 00:53:41,343
But their inner workings,
their inner selves,
918
00:53:41,427 --> 00:53:44,638
their self-demeanor cannot be questioned.
919
00:53:44,805 --> 00:53:46,682
I thought, "My God , we were just.. ."
920
00:53:47,307 --> 00:53:51,478
Everyone was so sweet and nice,
and what was so threatening about that?
921
00:53:51,562 --> 00:53:55,149
But you know,
people were smoking pot on camera,
922
00:53:55,232 --> 00:53:58,652
and there were people who were
undressed in the middle of a meadow
923
00:53:58,777 --> 00:54:02,573
and bathing nude in a lake.
But, come on, I mean, really.
924
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:04,575
Everyone was just
having a wonderful time.
925
00:54:04,825 --> 00:54:05,909
Woodstock was unique.
926
00:54:05,951 --> 00:54:10,539
It was a unique place, time,
927
00:54:12,416 --> 00:54:16,128
coming together of
all of these various artists.
928
00:54:17,379 --> 00:54:20,757
The fact that economically, socially,
929
00:54:20,841 --> 00:54:25,804
it was a very, very traumatic time.
930
00:54:26,388 --> 00:54:30,684
And look at all these people.
Half a million kids,
931
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:34,605
adults, children coming together
in one place at one time,
932
00:54:34,688 --> 00:54:38,484
becoming a huge city
virtually overnight. Peaceful.
933
00:54:38,984 --> 00:54:41,653
The Summer of Love and Woodstock
were the beginning
934
00:54:41,737 --> 00:54:48,285
of a decade of celebration
that was almost Eden-like.
935
00:54:52,164 --> 00:54:55,250
And then we were
kicked out of the garden.
936
00:54:56,919 --> 00:54:58,086
Over the years,
937
00:55:01,048 --> 00:55:03,926
there's a real sour grapes attitude
938
00:55:04,009 --> 00:55:08,972
towards Woodstock, towards the time,
towards the sensibility.
939
00:55:09,431 --> 00:55:15,103
It's easy to make fun of
because it was kind of the last time when
940
00:55:16,146 --> 00:55:21,068
a group so large, a demographic so large
could be so sincere
941
00:55:21,652 --> 00:55:25,072
and uncynical about
what they were doing.
942
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,492
The legacy of Woodstock is
the legacy of possibilities.
943
00:55:28,575 --> 00:55:33,914
What Woodstock proved
is that human beings
944
00:55:33,997 --> 00:55:35,374
are capable of so much more
945
00:55:35,415 --> 00:55:38,210
than they ever, ever
reach into themselves and do.
946
00:55:38,418 --> 00:55:43,090
I just think in any of these anniversaries,
947
00:55:44,758 --> 00:55:47,803
and I think as you get further away,
now at 40,
948
00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:51,557
and you look back at it,
it just shows the importance of it.
949
00:55:52,808 --> 00:55:53,809
It's still important.
950
00:55:54,393 --> 00:55:59,273
I think that they will get a glimpse
of a time that was very hopeful,
951
00:55:59,398 --> 00:56:01,942
in a world that was very much like
the one we're living in today,
952
00:56:02,109 --> 00:56:03,735
you know, unpopular war,
953
00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:06,989
and the Earth being wounded
as it is today.
954
00:56:07,072 --> 00:56:11,827
All the things that the '60s
sort of brought to the fore
955
00:56:13,495 --> 00:56:16,582
seem to be coming back to haunt us now,
956
00:56:16,665 --> 00:56:17,666
'cause we didn't listen then.
957
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:20,586
Yes, it did have a huge impact
on the world , I think.
958
00:56:21,545 --> 00:56:27,217
And I think the movie gives an example,
a taste of what it was like in that era.
959
00:56:27,718 --> 00:56:29,052
I think
the legacy of Woodstock
960
00:56:29,094 --> 00:56:30,971
was that it was a peaceful event.
961
00:56:31,054 --> 00:56:33,932
That we showed , even though
we were revolutionary and stuff,
962
00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:37,561
that we showed that you didn't need guns
and you didn't need power.
963
00:56:37,603 --> 00:56:40,480
And all we needed was music
and to dance and to love one another.
964
00:56:41,607 --> 00:56:43,358
Of course,
it's changed nothing.
965
00:56:43,442 --> 00:56:48,572
We've still got world wars going on
and poverty and one thing and another.
966
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,949
But we thought we could
change the world , yeah.
967
00:56:51,033 --> 00:56:52,117
We hoped we could.
968
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,370
And I think, to a certain extent,
we gave a lot of people hope.
969
00:57:13,055 --> 00:57:16,183
We had shot everything
with 16mm,
970
00:57:16,308 --> 00:57:20,062
but we knew we wanted to go
to the 70mm format,
971
00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:24,066
because we had experienced 70mm sound,
972
00:57:24,149 --> 00:57:27,110
where you had four channels
behind the screen
973
00:57:27,194 --> 00:57:28,487
and two in the rear.
974
00:57:28,528 --> 00:57:30,155
So we wanted to take advantage of that.
975
00:57:30,197 --> 00:57:33,158
Well , we worked out with Eastman
and other people
976
00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:35,827
how we could go from 16 mm ,
977
00:57:35,869 --> 00:57:40,707
blow up to 70
in the most efficient way possible,
978
00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:42,668
which was a miracle in itself
979
00:57:42,751 --> 00:57:46,213
Imagine! 16mm is just tiny.
980
00:57:46,296 --> 00:57:49,800
And here, we were going
for a 70mm release.
981
00:57:49,841 --> 00:57:51,343
The KEMs enabled us to do that,
982
00:57:51,426 --> 00:57:55,722
because, how do you mark
where you want an image to go?
983
00:57:56,765 --> 00:58:02,354
Et's say you don't even want a full frame
of one of your 16mm images,
984
00:58:02,396 --> 00:58:03,689
let's say the left frame.
985
00:58:03,730 --> 00:58:06,316
But you want to select a portion of that.
986
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,694
Well, we simply figured out an XY grid.
987
00:58:08,777 --> 00:58:12,322
For vertical numbers,
we had one through 20, or whatever,
988
00:58:12,364 --> 00:58:13,532
one through 80.
989
00:58:13,615 --> 00:58:15,951
And then, horizontal numbers.
990
00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:18,912
And then, you would simply write,
it was a description,
991
00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:21,540
from this point, this sized image.
992
00:58:21,623 --> 00:58:24,668
We then wanted to blow it up
to the 70mm
993
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:27,003
in that quadrant of the 70.
994
00:58:27,087 --> 00:58:29,715
And of course, it was not that precise.
995
00:58:29,798 --> 00:58:34,678
So we would give it to the optical people,
they'd give it a try
996
00:58:34,761 --> 00:58:37,347
and then we'd do readjustments
from there.
997
00:58:37,431 --> 00:58:39,057
The technicians at the time,
998
00:58:39,141 --> 00:58:42,811
these old guys who were now our age,
right?
999
00:58:42,853 --> 00:58:44,271
Seventy years old and so on ,
1000
00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,607
who had been around the movie industry
all their lives.
1001
00:58:47,691 --> 00:58:50,777
They just loved it,
and they were so helpful to us.
1002
00:58:50,861 --> 00:58:54,156
They loved the challenge
of being able to do,
1003
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:58,326
with rock and roll
and these modern young kids,
1004
00:58:58,368 --> 00:59:01,663
to take this technical challenge
of how to get it to the theater
1005
00:59:01,788 --> 00:59:03,123
so that it looks really cool.
1006
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,543
But from front to back,
it was all an experimentation.
1007
00:59:06,626 --> 00:59:10,589
No one had done what we had done
with those machines
1008
00:59:10,672 --> 00:59:12,758
or with the shooting up until that point.
1009
00:59:12,841 --> 00:59:14,593
And of course they then devoted
1010
00:59:14,676 --> 00:59:18,013
a whole issue of
American Cinematographer to us.
1011
00:59:18,054 --> 00:59:20,807
Many other technical journals
just describing
1012
00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:24,227
how, technologically,
Woodstock had come about.
1013
00:59:24,686 --> 00:59:29,107
But then , of course, what all of us
were going for was an aesthetic.
1014
00:59:29,191 --> 00:59:32,527
The technology was a means to producing
1015
00:59:32,611 --> 00:59:35,989
what we felt was going to be
a real involving experience.
1016
00:59:40,702 --> 00:59:43,997
It broke all sorts of new ground ,
and the critics loved it,
1017
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,795
and , you know, we were able
to really pioneer multiple image
1018
00:59:49,836 --> 00:59:54,090
and a new way that rock and roll
and documentaries were shot.
1019
00:59:54,674 --> 00:59:56,760
We mentioned that, you know,
Roger Ebert said
1020
00:59:56,843 --> 00:59:58,804
maybe it was
the greatest documentary ever made,
1021
00:59:58,929 --> 01:00:00,597
and others did as well.
1022
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:01,932
I thought it was overwhelming.
1023
01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:06,895
Yeah , I think one of the things that
1024
01:00:08,104 --> 01:00:11,191
is most fortunate, is that
1025
01:00:12,526 --> 01:00:14,277
that film exists
1026
01:00:14,319 --> 01:00:20,367
that captured the real sense
of that remarkable weekend.
1027
01:00:21,785 --> 01:00:24,830
And it's a phenomenal documentary.
1028
01:00:25,205 --> 01:00:28,500
Pauline Kael was head of
the Critics Association ,
1029
01:00:28,542 --> 01:00:30,961
so she came in to see the movie,
1030
01:00:31,002 --> 01:00:33,296
and she was no hippie at all.
1031
01:00:33,338 --> 01:00:38,009
And we were all like, "Oh , my goodness,
you know, she's a super-critic."
1032
01:00:38,093 --> 01:00:43,306
Well , she loved the thing , I mean ,
just thought it was great film making ,
1033
01:00:43,348 --> 01:00:47,853
and slow but surely,
a number of people came and gave us...
1034
01:00:47,894 --> 01:00:51,898
Not that we lacked the confidence,
but I have to admit, I was really nervous,
1035
01:00:51,982 --> 01:00:54,442
because it's like
having a hit on your hands,
1036
01:00:54,484 --> 01:00:58,989
and are you gonna blow it, you know,
are you just gonna make it worse?
1037
01:00:59,114 --> 01:01:00,907
What surprised me was
how well they captured it.
1038
01:01:02,033 --> 01:01:04,744
That that movie really,
in three and a half hours,
1039
01:01:04,828 --> 01:01:08,373
gave you a good sense of
what that weekend was like for us.
1040
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,336
And it wasn't just from sort of
a typical documentary point of view,
1041
01:01:13,420 --> 01:01:15,547
it really brought you in.
1042
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:18,842
I think once it came
and we saw it at the movies,
1043
01:01:18,925 --> 01:01:22,178
you know, the opening of it,
which we saw in New York,
1044
01:01:22,262 --> 01:01:23,597
it was very interesting because
1045
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,807
it was the first time
that they used three cameras.
1046
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:28,018
It's a damn good documentary, you know.
1047
01:01:28,101 --> 01:01:29,769
It's a good piece of reporting.
1048
01:01:29,936 --> 01:01:35,525
It's not journalistic, you know, to me,
it doesn't appear to have a view,
1049
01:01:35,609 --> 01:01:37,027
you know,
from the director's point of view.
1050
01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:39,279
Many people also talked about
point of view,
1051
01:01:39,362 --> 01:01:43,700
that it was a revolutionary way
to convey film making ,
1052
01:01:43,783 --> 01:01:48,455
you know, from the documentary
and from the musical points of view,
1053
01:01:48,496 --> 01:01:52,167
that it gave you a real sense of,
not only being there,
1054
01:01:52,208 --> 01:01:54,961
but also making intellectual connections
1055
01:01:55,003 --> 01:01:58,298
and emotional connections
between material
1056
01:01:58,340 --> 01:02:00,926
through the use of the multi image.
1057
01:02:01,009 --> 01:02:03,595
Because like,
why would 300, 000 or 120, 000, 60, 000,
1058
01:02:03,678 --> 01:02:07,474
70, 000 people come to anything
just because it's music?
1059
01:02:07,515 --> 01:02:12,062
I mean , was music all that important?
I don't really think so.
1060
01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:14,856
People don't know.
They don't know how to live,
1061
01:02:14,940 --> 01:02:16,024
and they don't know what to do,
1062
01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:18,860
and they think that if they can come here
they can find out,
1063
01:02:18,902 --> 01:02:22,781
you know, what it is,
or how to maintain with it.
1064
01:02:22,864 --> 01:02:24,866
It's just like people are very lost, I think.
1065
01:02:25,033 --> 01:02:27,535
I'd been up to the editing lot
1066
01:02:27,619 --> 01:02:29,204
when they were in New York
several times
1067
01:02:29,245 --> 01:02:33,208
and watched
this unbelievable amount of footage,
1068
01:02:33,249 --> 01:02:35,335
trying to get reduced into
1069
01:02:36,294 --> 01:02:39,339
what ended up being , I think,
three and a half hours.
1070
01:02:39,381 --> 01:02:44,678
It was a monumental task,
and they did a brilliant job.
1071
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,430
Even though we ran out of film ,
you know, a bunch of times,
1072
01:02:47,514 --> 01:02:50,850
and had to conserve,
not shoot so many acts
1073
01:02:50,934 --> 01:02:54,980
or at least the totality
of some of the acts they should've shot,
1074
01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:58,566
but given the circumstance
and given what they had to do,
1075
01:02:58,650 --> 01:03:00,318
it was phenomenal.
1076
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,489
I was certainly bent on
not just making a music film ,
1077
01:03:04,531 --> 01:03:09,661
and as you know, every single song was
put in for its lyrical value,
1078
01:03:09,703 --> 01:03:12,580
you know, not just its musical value.
1079
01:03:12,664 --> 01:03:14,708
We didn't select songs that were hits,
1080
01:03:14,791 --> 01:03:19,379
we tried to use the lyrics
as poets would to tell a story.
1081
01:03:19,838 --> 01:03:22,173
In America,
it was a gigantic movie,
1082
01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:24,718
and the theaters were full every night
that it was on.
1083
01:03:24,801 --> 01:03:29,597
People started sitting down ,
but then , as soon as the image came on ,
1084
01:03:29,681 --> 01:03:32,475
"Been a long time coming ,"
or Sidney Westerfeld saying ...
1085
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,227
My name is Sidney Westerfeld.
1086
01:03:34,269 --> 01:03:38,606
I'm the owner of this antique tavern
in Mongaup Valley, New York State.
1087
01:03:38,898 --> 01:03:41,151
The whole theater would get up en masse,
1088
01:03:41,192 --> 01:03:43,695
and they wouldn't sit down
for three hours.
1089
01:03:43,737 --> 01:03:47,073
It was amazing. Just amazing.
1090
01:03:47,365 --> 01:03:49,826
Watching the film was really wonderful.
1091
01:03:49,868 --> 01:03:54,122
I was standing in the back,
watching people's reactions
1092
01:03:54,205 --> 01:03:56,374
and the sequences, the edited sequences.
1093
01:03:56,458 --> 01:03:58,126
The music is so wonderful.
1094
01:03:58,209 --> 01:04:00,253
And people really reacted strongly.
1095
01:04:00,336 --> 01:04:06,426
It was almost like being
at the festival again , in a way,
1096
01:04:06,593 --> 01:04:08,845
but in a more comfortable position.
1097
01:04:10,055 --> 01:04:13,349
It had become another myth.
1098
01:04:13,391 --> 01:04:19,105
We had our own myth
that we communally experienced.
1099
01:04:19,189 --> 01:04:22,275
And then there was the movie,
which was magnificent.
1100
01:04:23,359 --> 01:04:26,988
It is the essence of Woodstock, too.
1101
01:04:27,405 --> 01:04:31,826
If another film director had been there,
who was strictly interested in the music,
1102
01:04:31,868 --> 01:04:34,913
and who had simply done the hits,
1103
01:04:34,996 --> 01:04:41,753
you know, it really could have been
quite a different sort of movie
1104
01:04:41,836 --> 01:04:44,422
that wouldn't have
had the kind of outreach ,
1105
01:04:44,506 --> 01:04:47,842
but because I was a documentarian and ,
1106
01:04:47,884 --> 01:04:49,886
well, I had photographed
Martin uther King
1107
01:04:49,928 --> 01:04:55,016
and Bobby Kennedy and
the great movers and shakers of the '60s
1108
01:04:55,058 --> 01:04:57,185
then, all of that kind of resonated,
1109
01:04:57,227 --> 01:05:01,981
and hopefully, showed up in the movie.
1110
01:05:02,315 --> 01:05:05,276
People were dancing in the aisles
at this press screening ,
1111
01:05:06,569 --> 01:05:09,072
which validated what we were saying.
1112
01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:12,784
And I'll never forget Ted Ashley,
the head of Warner Bros. ,
1113
01:05:12,867 --> 01:05:15,912
came up behind me, and we were
at such a war at that point that...
1114
01:05:15,995 --> 01:05:17,747
And he touched me on the shoulder,
and I jumped ,
1115
01:05:17,831 --> 01:05:20,250
and he said , "You were right."
1116
01:05:20,333 --> 01:05:21,709
Which was great. Yeah.
1117
01:05:21,751 --> 01:05:24,462
And then , of course,
the film did become very successful.
1118
01:05:24,546 --> 01:05:29,008
To look at those people,
in their prime, now,
1119
01:05:30,969 --> 01:05:33,763
I certainly do think it holds up.
1120
01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:36,432
It's a wonderful document.
1121
01:05:57,662 --> 01:06:00,415
The Hog Farm commune
were a bunch of misfits
1122
01:06:00,790 --> 01:06:04,752
all living together, helping each other out,
experiencing life together.
1123
01:06:04,836 --> 01:06:06,880
It was a beautiful commune.
1124
01:06:06,921 --> 01:06:09,299
We were approached
by Stan Goldstein.
1125
01:06:09,382 --> 01:06:11,134
And Stan , "Well , how would you like to do
1126
01:06:11,217 --> 01:06:14,345
"this music festival in New York state?"
1127
01:06:14,429 --> 01:06:17,640
And we said , "Well , we're gonna be
in New Mexico."
1128
01:06:17,724 --> 01:06:21,978
And he said , "That's all right.
We'll fly you in an astro-jet."
1129
01:06:22,061 --> 01:06:24,898
And we figured he was like
one toke over the line,
1130
01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:26,316
and we thought nothing of it.
1131
01:06:26,399 --> 01:06:28,860
The phone rings,
and it's Bonnie Jean Romney
1132
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:31,029
saying they want us to come
with the Hog Farm
1133
01:06:31,112 --> 01:06:33,615
and to work there at Woodstock
1134
01:06:33,698 --> 01:06:36,618
and help with the food
and all that stuff they do.
1135
01:06:36,701 --> 01:06:38,161
The Hog Farm , in a way,
1136
01:06:38,244 --> 01:06:40,997
set the vibe for all of these people.
1137
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:47,295
So everybody kind of had the same
easygoing, non-authoritarian attitudes.
1138
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,507
We set up a free kitchen
that we were feeding,
1139
01:06:51,591 --> 01:06:54,093
not the multitudes in any way,
1140
01:06:54,135 --> 01:06:57,305
but we were able to cover the people
that were really stuck
1141
01:06:57,347 --> 01:06:58,806
and didn't have anything.
1142
01:06:59,974 --> 01:07:02,852
I got a truck
and I went to the nearby farmers
1143
01:07:02,936 --> 01:07:05,647
and bought their entire farm.
1144
01:07:07,273 --> 01:07:08,775
I said , "Give me that row of cabbage.
1145
01:07:08,816 --> 01:07:10,985
"Give me that row of corn .
Give me that row of tomatoes."
1146
01:07:11,361 --> 01:07:13,655
After Woodstock
got started
1147
01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:15,907
and we realized
how many people there were,
1148
01:07:16,074 --> 01:07:19,452
we had to go back and forth to New York
and get more food.
1149
01:07:20,828 --> 01:07:22,705
Having come totally unprepared
1150
01:07:22,789 --> 01:07:24,791
and having just turned 16,
1151
01:07:24,958 --> 01:07:28,169
I became hungry and was right there
at the free kitchen.
1152
01:07:29,003 --> 01:07:31,547
We were doing maybe 5, 000 people a meal
1153
01:07:31,631 --> 01:07:34,300
with bulgur wheat, with salad ,
stuff like that.
1154
01:07:34,342 --> 01:07:37,595
SI PP If you were coming to eat,
you were also gonna help out.
1155
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:39,764
And I loved it.
I loved being part of that group.
1156
01:07:39,847 --> 01:07:41,599
And they became my family, too.
1157
01:07:41,683 --> 01:07:45,478
The Hog Farm did set up
what we called "freak-out centers."
1158
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:50,775
People who had taken acid
for the first time or something like that.
1159
01:07:51,859 --> 01:07:54,529
We already knew
in the Hog Farm experience that
1160
01:07:54,612 --> 01:07:56,948
you could always talk somebody down.
1161
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:00,702
We didn't want them
giving the trippers Thorazine,
1162
01:08:01,286 --> 01:08:05,039
because if you give somebody Thorazine,
it stops their trip and knocks them out.
1163
01:08:05,665 --> 01:08:07,333
We wanted them to finish their trip.
1164
01:08:08,251 --> 01:08:11,713
SI PP As soon as somebody was able
to be verbal again,
1165
01:08:11,796 --> 01:08:14,048
they would become the doctor
for the next person.
1166
01:08:14,132 --> 01:08:17,719
What happened in these freak-out centers,
at the free kitchen ,
1167
01:08:17,802 --> 01:08:20,680
was that in the same way
the early volunteers had come
1168
01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:23,099
and just pitched in
and kind of become Hog Farmers,
1169
01:08:23,808 --> 01:08:26,602
the people who got over
their demons with LSD
1170
01:08:26,686 --> 01:08:28,396
or came to the kitchen ,
1171
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,231
they basically wanted to stay and help.
1172
01:08:30,315 --> 01:08:32,275
And I think that's what happened
at Woodstock
1173
01:08:33,109 --> 01:08:35,403
is that everybody
respected everybody else.
1174
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:38,281
Once you're a Hog Farmer,
you're always a Hog Farmer.
1175
01:08:38,364 --> 01:08:42,076
Even if you were only a Hog Farmer
for a week at Woodstock,
1176
01:08:42,118 --> 01:08:43,786
you're still always a Hog Farmer.
1177
01:08:46,497 --> 01:08:48,207
I came out to California
1178
01:08:49,459 --> 01:08:53,338
and in '68 and '69 did a show
called Playboy After Dark.
1179
01:08:54,422 --> 01:08:57,091
It was a syndicated variety show.
1180
01:08:58,926 --> 01:09:02,138
The premise of which was that
1181
01:09:02,221 --> 01:09:05,683
instead of doing a variety show on a stage
in front of an audience,
1182
01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:07,977
it appeared to be my apartment.
1183
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:10,521
It appeared to be a party in my apartment.
1184
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:15,693
And we devoted one entire show
to Woodstock.
1185
01:09:16,194 --> 01:09:20,448
We got a response to the Vietnam War,
we got the civil rights movement.
1186
01:09:20,907 --> 01:09:23,284
And all of that came together
with the Summer of Love.
1187
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:27,789
And that gave us Woodstock.
1188
01:09:27,830 --> 01:09:30,500
And Woodstock was a celebration
of all of that.
1189
01:09:30,583 --> 01:09:33,336
The flower children , the hippies
1190
01:09:35,088 --> 01:09:38,966
and , you know, the corny
1191
01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:45,640
but still very pertinent notion
of "Let's make love, not war."
1192
01:09:45,723 --> 01:09:50,103
And that, in combination with the music,
is what Woodstock was all about.
1193
01:09:51,437 --> 01:09:52,605
As you may have overheard ,
1194
01:09:52,688 --> 01:09:55,066
we're going to have
a kind of a special evening tonight.
1195
01:09:55,149 --> 01:09:58,027
A lot of our people here, our guests,
are into the contemporary scene
1196
01:09:58,111 --> 01:09:59,821
and a few of them , well ahead of it.
1197
01:09:59,987 --> 01:10:01,197
But to really top the evening off,
1198
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,242
we're going to have clips
from Woodstock, the film.
1199
01:10:04,325 --> 01:10:08,746
In preparation for that show,
for Playboy After Dark,
1200
01:10:08,830 --> 01:10:14,460
and knowing that we were going to be
devoting a show to Woodstock,
1201
01:10:15,711 --> 01:10:20,425
because I had not seen the movie
and I had not been at Woodstock.
1202
01:10:20,508 --> 01:10:24,220
I was going with a young lady
who was a regular on the show
1203
01:10:24,262 --> 01:10:25,263
named Barbi Benton ,
1204
01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:28,307
a relationship that lasted
for about eight years.
1205
01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:33,312
And we went out to a post-midnight show
1206
01:10:35,148 --> 01:10:40,111
and saw it the night before
we did the Playboy After Dark show
1207
01:10:40,194 --> 01:10:42,947
so that I would be prepared
to do the interview.
1208
01:10:49,954 --> 01:10:54,792
All right, that is one brief clip
of several we're going to show tonight
1209
01:10:54,876 --> 01:10:57,253
from what I consider to be
1210
01:10:57,295 --> 01:11:00,214
one of the really remarkable
documentaries of our time,
1211
01:11:01,174 --> 01:11:06,095
Woodstock, which is a film
by Mike Wadleigh ,
1212
01:11:06,179 --> 01:11:08,514
who is here with us tonight.
1213
01:11:08,598 --> 01:11:10,725
-And I'm delighted to have you here, Mike.
-Thanks a lot.
1214
01:11:10,808 --> 01:11:13,936
And most of you have probably not
had a chance to see the film yet.
1215
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:16,898
Barbi and I went in
and saw it a few nights ago.
1216
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:20,735
And I want to say in front,
before we talk about the film , that...
1217
01:11:20,776 --> 01:11:22,195
I think you've all heard about Woodstock.
1218
01:11:22,236 --> 01:11:24,530
Woodstock was, as you know,
1219
01:11:24,614 --> 01:11:28,117
the most spectacular
love-and-music festival of our time.
1220
01:11:28,951 --> 01:11:32,538
And the film that Mike and his people
have managed to make from it
1221
01:11:33,456 --> 01:11:37,251
is unbelievable and , I think,
really sets a new precedent
1222
01:11:37,335 --> 01:11:39,128
for what documentary films
ought to be all about,
1223
01:11:39,170 --> 01:11:42,965
because both cinematically
and from a sound point of view,
1224
01:11:43,716 --> 01:11:45,343
it's a real experience.
1225
01:11:45,426 --> 01:11:47,428
And it must've been something else
trying to do it.
1226
01:11:47,762 --> 01:11:48,930
Well , it was, in a way,
1227
01:11:49,013 --> 01:11:51,766
but the best thing about
making films like this
1228
01:11:51,849 --> 01:11:53,267
is that you're participating.
1229
01:11:53,351 --> 01:11:58,439
I mean , it's not a sense of doing a job
or making a constructed Hollywood film ,
1230
01:11:58,564 --> 01:12:02,151
where you have scripts
and makeup people and all that.
1231
01:12:02,485 --> 01:12:04,904
I mean , you just go there,
participate and do it.
1232
01:12:04,987 --> 01:12:10,284
And come away with a sense of vitality
or a sense of reality of being there.
1233
01:12:10,868 --> 01:12:14,830
And in every way, we were trying
to make an experience film ,
1234
01:12:14,872 --> 01:12:16,249
the kind of substitute experience
1235
01:12:16,332 --> 01:12:18,543
for those people who were there
or who weren't there.
1236
01:12:18,584 --> 01:12:19,627
It didn't matter.
1237
01:12:19,710 --> 01:12:22,004
I don't think anybody knew
beforehand , however,
1238
01:12:22,088 --> 01:12:23,923
just how much of an experience
it was going to be.
1239
01:12:24,215 --> 01:12:27,927
The whole phenomenon
of opposition to the war
1240
01:12:28,052 --> 01:12:31,347
and a celebration of the music
and a celebration of love
1241
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:35,685
was one of a kind.
1242
01:12:35,768 --> 01:12:38,479
I mean , there's never been anything like it
before or since.
1243
01:12:40,565 --> 01:12:45,444
And I think that it was a moment
in history that is remembered clearly,
1244
01:12:45,778 --> 01:12:49,115
not only then , but now,
or we wouldn't be talking about it.
1245
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:52,660
HEFNER: And you , before the fact,
must've had a notion
1246
01:12:52,743 --> 01:12:55,538
it was going to be something special
or you wouldn't have been there, but...
1247
01:12:55,621 --> 01:12:59,875
Well , just like you saw in this film clip,
I think what attracted most of us there
1248
01:12:59,959 --> 01:13:03,462
was the idea of holding a rock festival
on a big farm.
1249
01:13:03,588 --> 01:13:06,632
I mean , it was like going to
your uncle's farm on a weekend , okay,
1250
01:13:07,758 --> 01:13:10,886
and with a big transistor radio
in the form of 36 rock groups.
1251
01:13:10,928 --> 01:13:13,014
The farm looked a little different
after it was all over.
1252
01:13:13,055 --> 01:13:17,268
What, it was something between
00, 000 and 500, 000 people
1253
01:13:17,351 --> 01:13:18,978
congregated in the area.
1254
01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:22,565
Well , they say that better than
half a million more
1255
01:13:22,607 --> 01:13:24,025
tried to make it there.
1256
01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:27,278
I understand they were
blocking the highways
1257
01:13:27,361 --> 01:13:29,322
100 and more miles away
1258
01:13:29,405 --> 01:13:31,032
to stop the people from getting there.
1259
01:13:31,115 --> 01:13:32,450
Exactly. They closed ...
1260
01:13:32,533 --> 01:13:34,952
The New York State Thruway
is eight lanes wide,
1261
01:13:34,994 --> 01:13:38,497
and they closed it all off and turned them
all back in the other direction.
1262
01:13:39,081 --> 01:13:42,752
I have a strong music connection.
1263
01:13:44,879 --> 01:13:46,714
And the show itself featured
1264
01:13:46,756 --> 01:13:49,759
a combination of both jazz
and rock and roll.
1265
01:13:51,427 --> 01:13:55,723
And music was key to what
the show was all about.
1266
01:13:55,806 --> 01:13:59,268
It was a variety show that had humor
and some conversation ,
1267
01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:00,645
but music was key.
1268
01:14:01,062 --> 01:14:03,814
One of the most remarkable things
about this particular event,
1269
01:14:03,939 --> 01:14:06,942
beyond its just incredible size,
1270
01:14:07,318 --> 01:14:09,195
was also the fact that
these kids got together
1271
01:14:09,236 --> 01:14:11,614
under rather incredible circumstances.
1272
01:14:11,697 --> 01:14:14,241
Because of the size of the crowd ,
1273
01:14:15,076 --> 01:14:17,953
there was completely
inadequate living conditions,
1274
01:14:18,037 --> 01:14:23,292
food , sanitation ,
and they also ran into bad weather.
1275
01:14:23,584 --> 01:14:25,419
No, I was glad I wasn't there,
1276
01:14:25,461 --> 01:14:29,799
but I don't think I would've
enjoyed all the mud.
1277
01:14:29,882 --> 01:14:33,427
And the actual circumstances
1278
01:14:33,511 --> 01:14:37,515
of living there for those several days
1279
01:14:39,141 --> 01:14:43,187
was pretty rough and ready,
and I'm not an outdoor guy.
1280
01:14:43,229 --> 01:14:48,401
I created the magazine and my life
as a celebration of the great indoors.
1281
01:14:49,151 --> 01:14:53,406
But I think that the message,
in terms of Woodstock,
1282
01:14:53,447 --> 01:14:54,990
was something I very much believed in.
1283
01:14:55,783 --> 01:14:58,119
And there was a very open
and permissive attitude
1284
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,539
towards both drugs and sex
during the period they were staying there,
1285
01:15:01,622 --> 01:15:03,958
-and yet there was no violence.
-Right.
1286
01:15:03,999 --> 01:15:06,419
-No violence at all .
-Well. .. Excuse me,
1287
01:15:06,460 --> 01:15:09,296
it was like one of the guys says in the film.
1288
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:12,508
There are a couple of adults arguing
and one of them says to the other,
1289
01:15:12,591 --> 01:15:16,053
"Now, can you imagine 50, 000 adults
getting together
1290
01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:19,056
-"with beer at any place.. ."
-Right.
1291
01:15:20,683 --> 01:15:25,771
There was a beautiful interview
with a local police officer
1292
01:15:26,564 --> 01:15:30,025
who said he thought the kids were swell
and everybody was behaving themselves
1293
01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:31,569
and having a good time.
1294
01:15:31,652 --> 01:15:34,530
And the interviewer said , "Well , isn't that
kind of a funny idea
1295
01:15:34,572 --> 01:15:36,157
"or a funny attitude for a cop?"
1296
01:15:36,490 --> 01:15:40,369
And he paused a moment, and he said ,
"I'm not a cop. I'm a police chief."
1297
01:15:41,787 --> 01:15:44,915
That got an applause, I must say,
at the theater where I was at.
1298
01:15:44,999 --> 01:15:47,251
You know, the kind of things,
including the rain
1299
01:15:47,334 --> 01:15:51,922
and the circumstances that they faced
out there in the country,
1300
01:15:52,006 --> 01:15:54,133
not only didn't get in their way,
it seemed to add to the fun.
1301
01:15:54,175 --> 01:15:56,010
Yeah. I mean , most people...
1302
01:15:56,051 --> 01:15:58,679
This is what it means
to make this kind of a film.
1303
01:15:58,763 --> 01:16:01,807
Because most guys would've run for cover
and put their cameras away.
1304
01:16:01,849 --> 01:16:05,644
But our people got out in the mud
and , as you know, there are later shots
1305
01:16:05,686 --> 01:16:08,147
where the cameraman actually slides
with his camera,
1306
01:16:08,773 --> 01:16:10,316
point-of-view shots.
1307
01:16:10,357 --> 01:16:13,110
But that was the whole thing that I mean
about participating.
1308
01:16:13,152 --> 01:16:16,989
There wasn't a separation between
the people who were making the film
1309
01:16:17,072 --> 01:16:18,699
and the people who were
in front of the cameras.
1310
01:16:18,783 --> 01:16:21,535
I mean , it was all a rapport situation.
1311
01:16:21,619 --> 01:16:23,454
You were very good
about showing both sides,
1312
01:16:23,496 --> 01:16:25,790
but an amazing number of people
in the community,
1313
01:16:25,831 --> 01:16:29,418
the people there pitched in
when they found out
1314
01:16:29,460 --> 01:16:31,045
that kids were there
and didn't have anything to eat.
1315
01:16:31,128 --> 01:16:32,755
They pitched in
and brought food to the kids,
1316
01:16:32,797 --> 01:16:34,840
set up additional sanitation facilities.
1317
01:16:36,175 --> 01:16:39,428
The love-festival aspect of it
and the spiritual aspect of it,
1318
01:16:39,470 --> 01:16:40,805
-I think, did come across.
- And ...
1319
01:16:40,888 --> 01:16:43,015
How much footage did you shoot?
1320
01:16:43,098 --> 01:16:45,351
We shot a quarter of a million feet,
1321
01:16:46,477 --> 01:16:48,646
which is about 120 hours.
1322
01:16:48,771 --> 01:16:52,775
And then the film is three hours long ,
but with all the multiple images added up,
1323
01:16:52,858 --> 01:16:54,401
it's really eight hours long.
1324
01:16:54,485 --> 01:16:56,403
So, we used a lot of footage.
1325
01:16:57,571 --> 01:17:00,574
Well , the one thing
that I alluded to at the beginning
1326
01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:03,244
that I wanna really say again
is that I think that this,
1327
01:17:03,327 --> 01:17:05,788
not only is the most
remarkable documentary
1328
01:17:05,871 --> 01:17:07,373
done on this particular subject
1329
01:17:08,332 --> 01:17:12,962
that I have ever seen ,
but I think it also sets a new precedent
1330
01:17:13,045 --> 01:17:16,757
in terms of what one can expect
in the way of documentaries in the future
1331
01:17:16,841 --> 01:17:19,385
in terms of excellence of photography
and sound.
1332
01:17:19,885 --> 01:17:22,388
-Thank you .
-This is the first time that we've had
1333
01:17:22,888 --> 01:17:27,601
a chance to meet, and I want to thank you
for coming this evening
1334
01:17:27,685 --> 01:17:30,646
and for bringing this film and allowing us
to show it on the air.
1335
01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:32,690
Because I think that
the kids enjoyed it here
1336
01:17:32,773 --> 01:17:34,984
and the folks at home enjoyed it.
1337
01:17:35,025 --> 01:17:40,698
And I want to personally recommend
to everyone, young and old ,
1338
01:17:40,823 --> 01:17:43,993
this film which I think is one of the most
important motion pictures
1339
01:17:44,034 --> 01:17:45,119
you're going to see in quite a while.
1340
01:17:45,786 --> 01:17:50,374
One of the things that is most fortunate
1341
01:17:50,499 --> 01:17:57,131
is that that film exists
that captured the real sense
1342
01:17:57,214 --> 01:18:00,593
of that remarkable weekend.
1343
01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:06,473
And it's a phenomenal documentary.
1344
01:18:17,860 --> 01:18:21,697
I think the two seminal events from 1969
1345
01:18:21,780 --> 01:18:24,742
were the moon landing and Woodstock,
one could say.
1346
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:28,787
And they were both
such romantic, improbable,
1347
01:18:28,913 --> 01:18:31,540
glorious, innocent events in some sense.
1348
01:18:31,624 --> 01:18:33,709
We were in Bethel.
1349
01:18:33,751 --> 01:18:38,756
By that point,
we took over a small motel for a while.
1350
01:18:38,839 --> 01:18:42,176
I got us a television
so we could watch the moon landing.
1351
01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:44,678
I certainly remember
where I was.
1352
01:18:44,762 --> 01:18:47,848
I was making a mountain-climbing film
at the time, way out in the mountains,
1353
01:18:47,932 --> 01:18:49,058
and I came out of the mountains
1354
01:18:49,141 --> 01:18:52,186
just in time to see
the guys landing on the moon.
1355
01:18:52,269 --> 01:18:56,357
And we were in a bar
in Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
1356
01:18:56,398 --> 01:18:59,568
And , God ! We'd go out
and look up at the real moon
1357
01:18:59,610 --> 01:19:02,404
and look at the TV and think,
"Oh , my God!
1358
01:19:02,488 --> 01:19:04,239
"Isn't this just remarkable?"
1359
01:19:05,532 --> 01:19:07,868
That's one small step for man,
1360
01:19:10,621 --> 01:19:13,415
one giant leap for mankind.
1361
01:19:14,917 --> 01:19:16,835
That looks beautiful from here, Neil.
1362
01:19:16,919 --> 01:19:21,131
Being this group
of conspiracy-theory,
1363
01:19:21,173 --> 01:19:24,885
counterculture,
nothing-is-what-you-see people,
1364
01:19:25,427 --> 01:19:27,012
no one believed it was happening.
1365
01:19:27,429 --> 01:19:31,225
And I had gotten them the television
to watch a thing that
1366
01:19:31,266 --> 01:19:33,644
they felt was being done in a sound studio.
1367
01:19:33,894 --> 01:19:35,646
But that was kind of wonderful , too.
1368
01:19:35,854 --> 01:19:37,523
And then just a little while later,
1369
01:19:37,564 --> 01:19:40,192
there I was,
standing on the stage at Woodstock.
1370
01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:44,321
And I remember when each day
the New York Times banner came in ,
1371
01:19:44,363 --> 01:19:45,698
and we got the biggest...
1372
01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:49,618
We got as much width
as the moon landing got, right.
1373
01:19:49,702 --> 01:19:52,871
And of course, it's a famous story
that the New York Times
1374
01:19:52,955 --> 01:19:56,542
carefully analyzes whether
you're worth the whole width or not.
1375
01:19:56,625 --> 01:20:00,045
Well , we got the whole width.
1376
01:20:00,087 --> 01:20:02,381
And I just remember,
1377
01:20:02,631 --> 01:20:05,384
for me, standing there looking
at the moon and so on
1378
01:20:05,426 --> 01:20:08,137
and standing there looking
at all those people
1379
01:20:08,178 --> 01:20:10,514
and those incredible musicians.
1380
01:20:10,597 --> 01:20:14,727
And isn't it interesting that, equally,
we have not had another Woodstock
1381
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:16,770
and we have not had
another moon landing.
1382
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,733
And maybe, again, the economics of it all
and the dream
1383
01:20:20,774 --> 01:20:25,738
and the idealism and so on
that drove both events, I would say,
1384
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,784
maybe now with money
being so much tighter
1385
01:20:30,868 --> 01:20:34,830
and with calculation
being so much tighter,
1386
01:20:34,872 --> 01:20:40,127
it's harder to launch those kind of
idealistic endeavors.
1387
01:20:40,169 --> 01:20:41,920
But, boy, were they great.
1388
01:20:49,053 --> 01:20:50,429
The Woodstock Festival was
going to take place
1389
01:20:50,512 --> 01:20:53,891
in Woodstock, New York,
till they were kicked out.
1390
01:20:54,016 --> 01:20:57,061
Well , there wasn't an original location
until down the road.
1391
01:20:57,144 --> 01:20:58,479
I mean , we were looking for quite a while.
1392
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:59,521
BE They had been moving around.
1393
01:20:59,605 --> 01:21:00,647
I mean, these festival guys,
1394
01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:04,068
you know, had had three prior locations
1395
01:21:04,151 --> 01:21:07,738
announced on the radio,
starting in March of 1969.
1396
01:21:07,863 --> 01:21:12,159
We finally settled on Wallkill
at the end of March ,
1397
01:21:13,911 --> 01:21:15,496
out of desperation , really.
1398
01:21:15,621 --> 01:21:17,456
And it was a site that I always hated.
1399
01:21:17,539 --> 01:21:21,460
It had the virtue of being there
and being available, so we went for it.
1400
01:21:21,543 --> 01:21:23,045
We lost Wallkill.
1401
01:21:23,128 --> 01:21:24,463
It was kind of miraculous
the way that happened.
1402
01:21:24,505 --> 01:21:30,302
We lost Wallkill on the 1 th or the 15th
when the town council decided
1403
01:21:30,385 --> 01:21:33,305
that they were not going
to approve our permit,
1404
01:21:33,388 --> 01:21:35,516
the permit they invented for this event.
1405
01:21:35,599 --> 01:21:40,562
And I found a better one on the 16th ,
a day later.
1406
01:21:40,604 --> 01:21:45,609
Well , we wound up there because
somebody named Elliot Tiber called me
1407
01:21:45,692 --> 01:21:48,946
and said , "I have a site and a permit,
and we want you ."
1408
01:21:49,279 --> 01:21:52,241
Met Elliot at the El Monaco Motel
1409
01:21:53,367 --> 01:21:56,537
right in the middle of the town
of White Lake.
1410
01:21:56,578 --> 01:22:01,542
And Elliot led us down to a field
behind the motel
1411
01:22:01,625 --> 01:22:07,005
that he and his parents operated ,
which from the rim looked beautiful.
1412
01:22:07,047 --> 01:22:11,802
As we walked down into it,
it began to get squishy,
1413
01:22:11,844 --> 01:22:14,721
and then it got squishier,
1414
01:22:14,805 --> 01:22:17,891
and then we wound up in mud
to our knees.
1415
01:22:17,975 --> 01:22:21,520
And Elliot had bugged out,
Elliot had simply disappeared.
1416
01:22:21,687 --> 01:22:23,313
And that was the end of that site.
1417
01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:27,151
I received a call
through Elliot Tiber,
1418
01:22:27,234 --> 01:22:31,822
who said that there was this man , a fixer,
1419
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:33,490
someone who's a go-between,
1420
01:22:33,574 --> 01:22:37,327
who puts this guy together with this guy
and they make a deal.
1421
01:22:37,411 --> 01:22:39,621
And he knew a man who had a farm.
1422
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,167
We got in this big Buick and we went
driving through the countryside.
1423
01:22:43,333 --> 01:22:48,338
Michael and I drove up and we got there
and we met Max.
1424
01:22:48,422 --> 01:22:53,385
And we drove out in two cars,
the fixer and Max in one car,
1425
01:22:53,427 --> 01:22:55,721
Michael and I in the other,
1426
01:22:55,762 --> 01:23:00,017
and he took us to this enormous field ,
very flat but very big.
1427
01:23:00,100 --> 01:23:02,436
And there it is.
1428
01:23:02,728 --> 01:23:06,231
And , like, I looked at Michael and I said ,
"Boy, you know, it's big ,
1429
01:23:06,315 --> 01:23:08,525
"but this would make a parking lot.
1430
01:23:08,567 --> 01:23:11,445
"We need some elevation ,
we need something ,
1431
01:23:11,528 --> 01:23:13,864
"because people have got to see
the stage."
1432
01:23:13,906 --> 01:23:19,786
And we said , "Do you have anything
that has some roll to it, some contour?"
1433
01:23:19,870 --> 01:23:24,291
"I have a field , alfalfa."
1434
01:23:24,374 --> 01:23:26,877
And we go out and look at it.
1435
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,924
So we drove out,
and it was raining , drizzling ,
1436
01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:35,677
and there was a mist eve*here,
1437
01:23:35,761 --> 01:23:40,015
and we were on the top of what is now
this famous amphitheater, you know.
1438
01:23:40,098 --> 01:23:43,477
And the mist started to rise,
and there was the lake,
1439
01:23:43,518 --> 01:23:46,813
and here was this perfect amphitheater.
1440
01:23:46,897 --> 01:23:50,567
ANG There it was. We stopped the car.
You know, "This is it."
1441
01:23:50,651 --> 01:23:53,320
Sort of we were
congratulating each other,
1442
01:23:53,403 --> 01:23:55,906
and then Michael took Max to the side
1443
01:23:55,948 --> 01:24:00,118
and very quickly they made a deal.
1444
01:24:00,619 --> 01:24:02,287
And he'd heard what happened to us
in Wallkill
1445
01:24:02,329 --> 01:24:04,456
and thought that we were railroaded.
1446
01:24:04,539 --> 01:24:07,793
And so he was politically, if you will ,
on our side.
1447
01:24:09,127 --> 01:24:12,047
...and felt that we had been
treated unfairly,
1448
01:24:12,089 --> 01:24:15,592
that a special case was being made,
1449
01:24:15,634 --> 01:24:19,763
and that he was gonna stand up
for what was right.
1450
01:24:20,097 --> 01:24:23,850
Max and I went off into the field ,
1451
01:24:23,892 --> 01:24:26,061
and I said , you know, "This is it.
1452
01:24:26,144 --> 01:24:30,732
"We really want your field .
This is where we need to be."
1453
01:24:30,774 --> 01:24:32,651
And we made a deal,
right there on the field.
1454
01:24:32,734 --> 01:24:38,865
Max was a Yankee
in the very best meaning of the words
1455
01:24:38,949 --> 01:24:42,286
and a true believer in the American dream.
1456
01:24:43,036 --> 01:24:45,789
I'm a farmer. I don't know...
1457
01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:55,799
I don't know how to speak to 20 people
at one time, let alone a crowd like this,
1458
01:24:58,468 --> 01:25:02,639
but I think you people
have proven something to the world.
1459
01:25:03,265 --> 01:25:07,144
Not only to the town of Bethel
or Sullivan County or New York State,
1460
01:25:07,227 --> 01:25:09,604
you've proven something to the world.
1461
01:25:09,646 --> 01:25:13,317
The important thing
that you've proven to the world
1462
01:25:13,358 --> 01:25:15,610
is that a half a million kids,
1463
01:25:15,652 --> 01:25:19,489
and I call you kids because I have children
that are older than you are,
1464
01:25:19,573 --> 01:25:22,951
a half a million young people
can get together
1465
01:25:23,035 --> 01:25:28,415
and have three days of fun and music,
and have nothing but fun and music,
1466
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:30,542
and God bless you for it!
1467
01:25:34,379 --> 01:25:35,589
Max was an amazing guy.
1468
01:25:35,630 --> 01:25:40,594
Max was, you know, one of those
sort of real American
1469
01:25:43,805 --> 01:25:45,766
wholegrain kinds of guys,
1470
01:25:46,641 --> 01:25:50,812
very straight, very honest,
very conservative in a lot of ways,
1471
01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:54,191
but a real man of his word
1472
01:25:55,525 --> 01:26:01,365
and someone who thought
that people had the right to do
1473
01:26:01,448 --> 01:26:02,449
whatever they wanted to do
1474
01:26:02,532 --> 01:26:05,952
as long as it was not adversely affecting
the people around them.
1475
01:26:10,207 --> 01:26:12,334
We had all agreed
1476
01:26:12,334 --> 01:26:16,463
that bringing over this new KEM,
the KEM editing machine
1477
01:26:16,463 --> 01:26:18,507
from Frankfurt, Germany,
1478
01:26:18,757 --> 01:26:22,844
was an absolutely essential ingredient
to the whole thing.
1479
01:26:22,928 --> 01:26:26,598
Yeah , that enabled the multiple images
to be cut effectively
1480
01:26:26,890 --> 01:26:30,560
so you could preview them
without going to an optical stage,
1481
01:26:30,602 --> 01:26:31,686
which none of us could afford to do.
1482
01:26:31,770 --> 01:26:34,648
At the time,
we didn't have that much money,
1483
01:26:34,815 --> 01:26:38,610
and it was a lot of money
for me to lay out.
1484
01:26:38,652 --> 01:26:39,945
I think it was 15 grand
1485
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:41,363
-or something like that.
-Yeah , 15 grand.
1486
01:26:41,405 --> 01:26:43,907
In those days,
15, 000 was a great deal of money.
1487
01:26:43,949 --> 01:26:48,078
And I was really interested,
intellectually, in multiple image work,
1488
01:26:48,078 --> 01:26:51,081
and also trying to figure out
how to beat the bank,
1489
01:26:51,164 --> 01:26:54,960
how to do it simply and effectively
and economically.
1490
01:26:55,168 --> 01:27:00,048
So I'd read about this company
that had designed
1491
01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,342
this three-headed monster.
1492
01:27:02,634 --> 01:27:04,511
Three, I mean, you could put up
1493
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:09,141
three images and one soundtrack,
or two soundtracks and two images.
1494
01:27:09,182 --> 01:27:12,978
It was just a breakthrough for us,
particularly for me
1495
01:27:13,061 --> 01:27:14,271
in the documentary footage,
1496
01:27:14,396 --> 01:27:18,066
it meant I could buzz through
large quantities of footage.
1497
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,111
I could have three images up all the time
1498
01:27:21,194 --> 01:27:24,781
and be looking for ways
to inter cut things.
1499
01:27:25,073 --> 01:27:28,201
It struck me
as just a magnificent machine,
1500
01:27:28,285 --> 01:27:30,745
so we particularly went to the factory,
1501
01:27:30,871 --> 01:27:33,748
and we got the very first one
that came to America.
1502
01:27:33,832 --> 01:27:36,251
-And.. .
-I'm gonna tell that little story,
1503
01:27:36,293 --> 01:27:37,461
because it's really hilarious.
1504
01:27:37,627 --> 01:27:42,757
Francis was building , in San Francisco,
American Zoetrope.
1505
01:27:43,925 --> 01:27:47,721
He had all of his dubbing machines
in San Francisco at Zoetrope,
1506
01:27:47,846 --> 01:27:49,639
but he did not have
any of the editing machines.
1507
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:53,977
Peter Wolfert, at KEM in Frankfurt,
1508
01:27:54,019 --> 01:27:59,900
had said that one of his machines was
going to land at JFK
1509
01:28:00,150 --> 01:28:02,444
on a pallet, you know,
like tomorrow morning.
1510
01:28:03,612 --> 01:28:05,113
And I got on the phone with Francis
1511
01:28:05,739 --> 01:28:09,534
and said , "We would like to rent
your KEM machine,
1512
01:28:09,618 --> 01:28:11,620
"because we understand it's in New York,
1513
01:28:11,661 --> 01:28:14,122
"and we're doing this film
called Woodstock, and blah , blah , blah ."
1514
01:28:14,164 --> 01:28:15,457
And he said , "No, you can't possibly."
1515
01:28:15,499 --> 01:28:18,293
I said , "Francis, Francis ! "
And I begged , begged.
1516
01:28:18,335 --> 01:28:21,838
We all begged Francis
to let us have this one.
1517
01:28:21,922 --> 01:28:23,798
And we worked out a rental agreement,
1518
01:28:24,049 --> 01:28:27,969
and we got Peter Wolfert to send Francis
a second one
1519
01:28:28,053 --> 01:28:29,846
almost immediately thereafter.
1520
01:28:30,096 --> 01:28:34,601
But the very first one that Francis wanted
and was expecting
1521
01:28:34,684 --> 01:28:37,479
landed in our editing place.
1522
01:28:38,063 --> 01:28:39,981
But that machine was
an absolute godsend.
1523
01:28:40,065 --> 01:28:42,442
They were everything
we thought they were.
1524
01:28:42,484 --> 01:28:45,278
It was super German engineering.
1525
01:28:45,278 --> 01:28:46,571
They really worked ,
1526
01:28:46,655 --> 01:28:49,449
they were wonderfully,
wonderfully thought out.
1527
01:28:49,574 --> 01:28:54,287
It was a wonderful machine, quiet,
beautifully designed ,
1528
01:28:54,371 --> 01:28:55,747
and that's what I was working on,
1529
01:28:56,206 --> 01:28:58,583
originally, when we were cutting
the Aretha Franklin footage
1530
01:28:58,708 --> 01:29:00,710
that inspired the idea of multiple images.
1531
01:29:00,835 --> 01:29:05,632
Then I aggressively went after
multiple image ideas in film
1532
01:29:06,466 --> 01:29:09,553
to increase this kind of
point of view potential.
1533
01:29:09,761 --> 01:29:12,138
Michael was showing me things
as we went along.
1534
01:29:12,847 --> 01:29:18,853
One day, he said to me,
"Fred , I'd like to do split-screen ."
1535
01:29:18,895 --> 01:29:20,897
And I said , "Mike, I hate split-screen.
1536
01:29:21,064 --> 01:29:24,067
"If there's anything I hate,
it's split-screen ."
1537
01:29:24,067 --> 01:29:25,860
I said it usually never works.
1538
01:29:25,944 --> 01:29:27,362
He said ,
"Well , let me show you this, okay?"
1539
01:29:27,529 --> 01:29:31,825
And he showed me two 16mm cameras
together, right,
1540
01:29:32,033 --> 01:29:36,538
and he showed me the section
that he'd edited with them.
1541
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:41,001
And it blew me away.
It really got me so excited.
1542
01:29:41,334 --> 01:29:44,838
We were approached
at the end of J uly of 1969
1543
01:29:44,921 --> 01:29:49,718
by David and Al Maysles
and Porter Bibb, their producer,
1544
01:29:50,343 --> 01:29:54,306
who had heard that we had this technique,
1545
01:29:54,431 --> 01:29:58,018
and we brought them
into a screening room ,
1546
01:29:58,268 --> 01:30:02,772
and in the screening room ,
which was, maybe, 20 feet by 20 feet,
1547
01:30:02,939 --> 01:30:06,401
there were three projectors,
Graflex projectors,
1548
01:30:06,526 --> 01:30:09,321
on three projector stands,
1549
01:30:09,446 --> 01:30:14,743
a three-image, two-track film
1550
01:30:14,993 --> 01:30:16,995
that was about 15 minutes in length.
1551
01:30:17,162 --> 01:30:20,332
Certainly, some of that footage
proved to us
1552
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:24,836
that if you had a great performer,
and a great set of circumstances,
1553
01:30:24,919 --> 01:30:27,005
that this would add not just a gimmick,
1554
01:30:27,130 --> 01:30:30,550
but a real , new kind of way
of perceiving events
1555
01:30:30,717 --> 01:30:33,094
and performances that enhanced it.
1556
01:30:33,386 --> 01:30:39,601
And this occurred , like,
every time that we invited new people in.
1557
01:30:39,684 --> 01:30:43,772
We had so revolutionized Hollywood
by importing
1558
01:30:43,897 --> 01:30:46,775
the first flatbed editing tables
that they had ever seen.
1559
01:30:52,739 --> 01:30:56,951
The '60s generation is often called
the Woodstock generation.
1560
01:30:57,118 --> 01:31:00,830
I don't think the decade had a name
1561
01:31:00,872 --> 01:31:02,874
before Woodstock happened ,
1562
01:31:02,957 --> 01:31:08,588
but it enabled our media-driven society
1563
01:31:08,672 --> 01:31:13,426
to be able to put a symbol
next to a feeling.
1564
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:17,055
The '60s was a feeling among people.
1565
01:31:17,222 --> 01:31:20,725
At the time it felt like something
that was just very important.
1566
01:31:20,767 --> 01:31:23,019
They were the first generation
that really believed
1567
01:31:23,061 --> 01:31:25,855
that they could actually make
a monumental difference.
1568
01:31:25,897 --> 01:31:29,401
And they were getting conflicting
messages from the establishment.
1569
01:31:29,442 --> 01:31:31,361
"You gotta be this way.
You've gotta do things."
1570
01:31:31,444 --> 01:31:34,572
And the establishment
wasn't being this way
1571
01:31:34,614 --> 01:31:35,657
and wasn't doing these things.
1572
01:31:35,740 --> 01:31:38,618
My group wasn't buying that.
1573
01:31:38,702 --> 01:31:41,955
They weren't buying into
the American dream ,
1574
01:31:41,996 --> 01:31:43,748
as it had been presented.
1575
01:31:43,790 --> 01:31:44,999
We were more into changing things.
1576
01:31:45,041 --> 01:31:47,335
We were more into
the revolution of changing.
1577
01:31:47,377 --> 01:31:49,462
We're not gonna do this,
we're not gonna have jobs,
1578
01:31:49,504 --> 01:31:51,673
we don't wanna go to school,
we don't wanna do any of those things.
1579
01:31:51,756 --> 01:31:56,928
I think we all meant to change it
very, very, in a very peaceful way.
1580
01:32:01,391 --> 01:32:04,060
Well, of course, the ecology
movement got started then.
1581
01:32:04,102 --> 01:32:06,646
The consciousness
for what's happening to the planet
1582
01:32:06,730 --> 01:32:08,231
began during that era.
1583
01:32:08,314 --> 01:32:10,525
Anti-war, you know, here we are to Iraq ,
1584
01:32:10,567 --> 01:32:12,235
well , it was Vietnam then.
1585
01:32:12,318 --> 01:32:15,405
This horrible war going on
that nobody wanted any part of.
1586
01:32:15,488 --> 01:32:17,449
It was unpopular, but it was going on ,
1587
01:32:17,490 --> 01:32:21,244
and everybody knew it was pretty much
the wrong thing to be doing.
1588
01:32:21,661 --> 01:32:24,289
The United States Army
has lent us some medical teams
1589
01:32:26,958 --> 01:32:28,668
and giving us a hand.
1590
01:32:30,044 --> 01:32:32,088
They're with us, man.
They are not against us.
1591
01:32:32,172 --> 01:32:35,216
They are with us. They're here
to give us all a hand and help us.
1592
01:32:35,300 --> 01:32:37,844
We, the youth of the time,
1593
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:40,722
felt like we were sort of
backed into a corner,
1594
01:32:40,805 --> 01:32:42,682
and at the same time, we were huge.
1595
01:32:44,225 --> 01:32:45,810
Woodstock showed to the world
1596
01:32:46,436 --> 01:32:49,272
all these people
who had been against Vietnam ,
1597
01:32:49,355 --> 01:32:51,816
against the new sexual mores,
1598
01:32:51,900 --> 01:32:54,360
all the things that were happening
in the '60s
1599
01:32:54,402 --> 01:32:56,404
all came together at Woodstock.
1600
01:32:56,571 --> 01:32:59,866
It was not only anti-war,
it was love in the broader sense.
1601
01:32:59,908 --> 01:33:05,997
It was a breakdown of racial boundaries,
something that I very strongly feel.
1602
01:33:06,080 --> 01:33:07,624
I felt then , feel today.
1603
01:33:07,749 --> 01:33:13,922
U ntil 1965, you could go
to a soda fountain in South Carolina
1604
01:33:13,963 --> 01:33:16,716
and not be allowed to sit next to someone
who wasn't your color.
1605
01:33:16,925 --> 01:33:19,093
Also human rights, you know, gay rights,
1606
01:33:19,177 --> 01:33:21,846
women's rights, black rights, and so on ,
1607
01:33:21,888 --> 01:33:24,557
that took off during that time.
1608
01:33:24,641 --> 01:33:27,811
It was a breaking down of
of all the various boundaries
1609
01:33:27,852 --> 01:33:30,897
that separate men and nations.
1610
01:33:30,980 --> 01:33:36,236
That was a very rapid change,
that had really affected everything
1611
01:33:36,277 --> 01:33:39,030
that was what we call
the Woodstock generation.
1612
01:33:39,072 --> 01:33:43,952
All of those sort of things had
a sort of mini-revolution.
1613
01:33:44,035 --> 01:33:45,995
And there it was for people to see,
1614
01:33:46,079 --> 01:33:48,540
and they could see
these wonderful people,
1615
01:33:48,581 --> 01:33:51,543
and , you know, you'd been hearing
about hippies and all the terrible...
1616
01:33:51,626 --> 01:33:55,588
And here they are,
these wonderful , joyous people
1617
01:33:55,630 --> 01:33:57,382
having the greatest time of their life.
1618
01:33:57,465 --> 01:34:00,677
This was, you know, a show of force,
1619
01:34:03,221 --> 01:34:05,265
for everybody to say, "Okay,
1620
01:34:05,348 --> 01:34:08,768
"things are changing ,
and we're gonna change the world ."
1621
01:34:08,852 --> 01:34:11,646
And you really felt at that time
1622
01:34:12,480 --> 01:34:14,232
that there was a difference
being made here
1623
01:34:14,315 --> 01:34:16,693
just by the show of people.
1624
01:34:16,734 --> 01:34:21,239
I think that this event culminated
that decade
1625
01:34:21,322 --> 01:34:23,908
and somewhat culminated that feeling.
1626
01:34:23,992 --> 01:34:27,161
Somebody was saying this was
the second largest city in New York.
1627
01:34:27,245 --> 01:34:31,207
There's been no police.
There's been no trouble.
1628
01:34:31,457 --> 01:34:34,836
You said a moment ago
that this wasn't the end of this festival ,
1629
01:34:34,919 --> 01:34:37,547
that this was a beginning .
What do you mean , a beginning?
1630
01:34:37,589 --> 01:34:40,133
Well , look at it.
1631
01:34:40,925 --> 01:34:42,343
This is the beginning
of this kind of thing.
1632
01:34:42,427 --> 01:34:43,845
Of this kind of thing?
1633
01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:47,682
Worldwide, I don't feel that
anyone thinks that another generation ,
1634
01:34:47,765 --> 01:34:49,350
even right up to now,
1635
01:34:49,434 --> 01:34:52,020
has even come close
to starting a revolution
1636
01:34:52,103 --> 01:34:54,230
like the Woodstock generation did.
1637
01:34:54,314 --> 01:34:58,693
So, I'm sort of proud and excited
to be part of it.
1638
01:34:59,527 --> 01:35:01,279
I'm very proud to be of that generation ,
1639
01:35:01,362 --> 01:35:05,283
and I think we stopped the planet
for a year or so.
1640
01:35:05,867 --> 01:35:08,953
Woodstock was like the.. .
It was the wraparound that said ,
1641
01:35:09,037 --> 01:35:11,831
"This is the Woodstock nation ."
1642
01:35:12,415 --> 01:35:14,417
And because that weekend
we could all cooperate,
1643
01:35:14,459 --> 01:35:18,046
there was a birth , a death ,
there was a cosmos there.
1644
01:35:18,087 --> 01:35:21,424
And we did , we all cooperated .
I stayed out there for three nights.
1645
01:35:21,507 --> 01:35:25,511
Can't remember it all ,
but we were very much a part of it,
1646
01:35:26,179 --> 01:35:30,391
so it was an important cultural landmark.
1647
01:35:51,162 --> 01:35:52,789
The Woodstock Music and Art Fair,
1648
01:35:52,872 --> 01:35:55,917
the three-day Aquarian Exposition
at White ake in Bethel, New York
1649
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:59,420
will give you uncomplicated, unhurried,
calm days of peace and music.
1650
01:35:59,879 --> 01:36:02,632
Friday, August 15th,
you'll hear stars such as Joan Baez,
1651
01:36:02,715 --> 01:36:06,511
Arlo Guthrie, Tim Hart, Richie Havens,
Ravi Shankar and many others.
1652
01:36:06,928 --> 01:36:10,348
Saturday, August 16th, Canned Heat,
Creedence Clearwater Revival,
1653
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:13,476
Grateful Dead, Janis Joplin,
Jefferson Airplane and The Who.
1654
01:36:13,893 --> 01:36:15,895
Sunday, August 17th,
Blood, Sweat and Tears,
1655
01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,732
Crosby, Stills and Nash, Santana,
Jimi Hendrix, Johnny Winter,
1656
01:36:19,816 --> 01:36:21,067
and that's not all.
1657
01:36:21,150 --> 01:36:23,820
Camp grounds will be open
for two days before the festival.
1658
01:36:23,861 --> 01:36:28,366
There are over 600 acres of land to roam,
bazaars to browse, creative workshops.
1659
01:36:28,408 --> 01:36:31,953
Heavy traffic is anticipated, so leave early
if you wish to arrive on time.
1660
01:36:32,704 --> 01:36:34,288
Tickets for
the Woodstock Music and Arts Fair
1661
01:36:34,330 --> 01:36:38,042
are 7, 14 and 18 dollars
for one, two or three days
1662
01:36:38,126 --> 01:36:40,962
and can be purchased in advance
at most local record stores.
1663
01:36:41,004 --> 01:36:42,755
No checks will be accepted at the gate.
1664
01:36:43,339 --> 01:36:47,593
Be at the Woodstock Music and Arts Fair,
August 15th, 16th and 17th
1665
01:36:47,635 --> 01:36:49,470
in Bethel, New York.
1666
01:36:53,641 --> 01:36:57,228
More than 200, 000 followers of pop music
1667
01:36:57,311 --> 01:37:00,273
have jammed
the Catskill Mountain hamlet of Bethel
1668
01:37:00,356 --> 01:37:02,025
for a rock music festival.
1669
01:37:02,108 --> 01:37:05,570
Cars are being abandoned on highways
leading to the resort area.
1670
01:37:05,611 --> 01:37:09,449
Festival producers have called for
all vehicles heading to that festival
1671
01:37:09,532 --> 01:37:11,242
to turn back home.
1672
01:37:15,329 --> 01:37:16,831
Few other announcements.
1673
01:37:17,832 --> 01:37:22,712
The road, third road on your left
is still a problem,
1674
01:37:22,754 --> 01:37:26,632
for entrance and access, please,
have that cleared as soon as possible.
1675
01:37:49,781 --> 01:37:53,534
We're sorry for
the technical necessities of the crane.
1676
01:37:55,495 --> 01:38:00,625
You people that have placed tents
in the viewing area,
1677
01:38:01,501 --> 01:38:05,129
please do take them down so that
those behind can view as well.
1678
01:38:08,716 --> 01:38:12,345
In a situation such as this
we must return the responsibility to you.
1679
01:38:18,601 --> 01:38:22,230
One thing about this is,
we're a pretty big city right now,
1680
01:38:23,147 --> 01:38:25,566
so we've got all sorts of things.
1681
01:38:28,111 --> 01:38:29,821
Sam, can you get the monitors on ?
1682
01:38:32,782 --> 01:38:35,660
Richard Boch, get back to Eddie Kramer
in the sound truck.
1683
01:38:35,743 --> 01:38:37,453
Richard Boch, get back to Eddie Kramer.
1684
01:38:39,455 --> 01:38:40,873
Before we begin,
1685
01:38:40,957 --> 01:38:43,334
could we ask you please,
once again, to leave the towers,
1686
01:38:44,919 --> 01:38:49,549
and then, in the same breath,
thank you for making all this possible.
1687
01:38:54,804 --> 01:38:58,307
There's a couple of packages
of garbage bags here.
1688
01:38:59,433 --> 01:39:02,145
If on your way out,
you wouldn't mind taking one,
1689
01:39:02,186 --> 01:39:05,314
filling it up
and leaving it where you filled it,
1690
01:39:05,398 --> 01:39:07,900
that certainly would be appreciated.
1691
01:39:09,068 --> 01:39:11,070
Anything you can do to give us a hand
1692
01:39:11,154 --> 01:39:14,949
to leave this area
somewhat the way we found it,
1693
01:39:14,991 --> 01:39:17,118
I don't think it'll ever be quite the same,
1694
01:39:17,952 --> 01:39:22,206
but somewhat the way we found it,
certainly would be appreciated.
1695
01:39:27,420 --> 01:39:29,255
It's been a delight seeing you.
1696
01:39:29,922 --> 01:39:34,343
May we wish you anything
1697
01:39:35,136 --> 01:39:37,722
that the person next to you
wishes for you.
1698
01:39:38,890 --> 01:39:43,019
Good wishes, good day and a good life.
1699
01:39:43,853 --> 01:39:45,146
Thank you.
1700
01:40:06,459 --> 01:40:09,462
Pat Dutch, please go to the
pink and white medical tent.
1701
01:40:21,224 --> 01:40:24,644
I think that turning point was when ,
by Wednesday, I think,
1702
01:40:24,685 --> 01:40:27,813
we had 0, 000 or 50, 000 kids
sitting in the field.
1703
01:40:27,897 --> 01:40:31,651
So, we'd sold 120, 000 tickets in advance,
1704
01:40:31,734 --> 01:40:33,945
and if that's any indication
of what's coming ,
1705
01:40:34,028 --> 01:40:37,448
we knew we were well over
the 200, 000 we'd planned on.
1706
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:39,867
I think the turning point, actually,
1707
01:40:39,951 --> 01:40:43,246
for the whole thing was
when it got near to the festival ,
1708
01:40:43,329 --> 01:40:46,707
and people then started to break down
the fences that they'd put up,
1709
01:40:46,791 --> 01:40:49,001
and they had to declare it a free festival.
1710
01:40:49,085 --> 01:40:51,420
It's a free concert from now on.
1711
01:40:55,549 --> 01:40:59,512
I think the first time I realized
something was going on was,
1712
01:40:59,595 --> 01:41:01,806
you could only get in by helicopter.
1713
01:41:01,847 --> 01:41:04,934
And I suddenly thought, "What's this?"
And then you flew over the audience.
1714
01:41:05,017 --> 01:41:06,519
It was just amazing to see.
1715
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,855
U p until that point, it was
just another gig , another festival.
1716
01:41:09,897 --> 01:41:12,650
Around this period ,
there were a lot of festivals going on ,
1717
01:41:12,692 --> 01:41:16,404
and all the groups were traveling
to these festivals, you know,
1718
01:41:16,487 --> 01:41:19,156
and you'd see everybody
at all the festivals.
1719
01:41:19,198 --> 01:41:22,451
It was like a bunch of gypsies
going around at the time, so,
1720
01:41:22,493 --> 01:41:24,036
actually, when Woodstock happened,
1721
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:26,414
it was another festival that was going on.
1722
01:41:26,455 --> 01:41:28,124
Nobody knew that it would be
1723
01:41:28,207 --> 01:41:31,085
the size or the volume of people
that it was.
1724
01:41:31,168 --> 01:41:32,253
They were all on pot.
1725
01:41:32,336 --> 01:41:34,130
-Well , whatever it is.. .
-It never should have happened.
1726
01:41:34,171 --> 01:41:36,882
If pot makes them happy and no trouble,
maybe we ought to put
1727
01:41:36,924 --> 01:41:38,217
-all the adults on pot.
-How about the morals?
1728
01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:40,886
You want a 15-year-old girl
sleeping in the field in a tent?
1729
01:41:40,928 --> 01:41:43,055
What are you , out of your mind?
It never should have happened.
1730
01:41:43,139 --> 01:41:46,517
Do you feel bad about the kids
who were killed in Vietnam?
1731
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:48,436
-This has nothing to do with Vietnam .
-That's the same thing.
1732
01:41:48,519 --> 01:41:50,271
Nothing at all to do with it.
There's no comparison.
1733
01:41:50,354 --> 01:41:54,025
I thought that this was going to
sum up the generation ,
1734
01:41:54,191 --> 01:41:56,819
that it had an opportunity to do that.
1735
01:41:56,902 --> 01:42:00,281
Even when it was only gonna be 50, 000
or 100, 000 people that came there,
1736
01:42:00,364 --> 01:42:01,782
I still thought, "Wow!
1737
01:42:01,866 --> 01:42:04,160
"Being on a farm, going back to land,
1738
01:42:04,201 --> 01:42:06,996
"Woodstock, you know, all this mix
1739
01:42:07,038 --> 01:42:11,375
"and these great musicians who were
singing political songs, you know."
1740
01:42:11,417 --> 01:42:14,086
An*ay, this is an organizing song,
1741
01:42:14,170 --> 01:42:15,629
and I was happy to find out
1742
01:42:15,671 --> 01:42:18,591
that after David had been in jail
for two and a half weeks,
1743
01:42:18,632 --> 01:42:21,844
he already had a very,
very good hunger strike going
1744
01:42:21,927 --> 01:42:25,890
with 42 federal prisoners,
none of whom were draft people, so...
1745
01:42:25,973 --> 01:42:27,892
These were not
just pop groups.
1746
01:42:27,975 --> 01:42:29,643
I'm very happy to say
1747
01:42:29,727 --> 01:42:32,688
we think the people of this country
should be proud of these kids.
1748
01:42:32,772 --> 01:42:35,691
Notwithstanding the way they dress
or the way they wear their hair,
1749
01:42:35,733 --> 01:42:37,526
that's their own personal business.
1750
01:42:37,568 --> 01:42:41,447
But their inner workings,
their inner selves,
1751
01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:44,825
their self-demeanor cannot be questioned.
1752
01:42:44,909 --> 01:42:47,578
They can't be questioned
as good American citizens.
1753
01:42:47,661 --> 01:42:50,456
That's kind of surprising
coming from a cop.
1754
01:42:50,498 --> 01:42:52,792
I'm not a cop. I'm a Chief of Police.
1755
01:42:53,042 --> 01:42:56,670
Festivals happened
and big shows happened
1756
01:42:56,754 --> 01:43:00,549
and corporate rock happened,
but that was a special time.
1757
01:43:00,633 --> 01:43:03,928
Nobody got rich at Woodstock. Nobody.
That's cool.
1758
01:43:16,524 --> 01:43:18,442
There were
technical issues continuously.
1759
01:43:18,484 --> 01:43:21,195
The ineffective cabling on headsets
1760
01:43:21,278 --> 01:43:24,240
and trying to keep in touch with the crew,
with the operators.
1761
01:43:24,323 --> 01:43:25,658
The roads got overcrowded
1762
01:43:25,741 --> 01:43:28,244
and the mechanical systems
couldn't possibly work.
1763
01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:31,330
Constantly getting bands ready
to get on stage, getting equipment,
1764
01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:34,125
getting everybody in one place
at the right time
1765
01:43:34,166 --> 01:43:36,585
to be able to go on with the show
was another...
1766
01:43:36,669 --> 01:43:40,047
The pump trucks
for sanitation couldn't get out
1767
01:43:40,131 --> 01:43:41,715
and couldn't haul things away.
1768
01:43:42,049 --> 01:43:44,218
There were always these little things
that kept coming up.
1769
01:43:44,343 --> 01:43:46,470
Things, which days before the show,
1770
01:43:46,554 --> 01:43:50,683
we were told we couldn't possibly do,
was utterly illegal.
1771
01:43:50,724 --> 01:43:54,270
Mike, what's the worst part
of running one of these things?
1772
01:43:54,353 --> 01:43:56,313
I don't know. I don't know.
1773
01:43:56,647 --> 01:43:57,731
It was continuous. It was...
1774
01:43:57,815 --> 01:44:01,735
As I said , there's no single incident
that stands out that way.
1775
01:44:01,819 --> 01:44:04,029
It was just one after another
after another.
1776
01:44:04,113 --> 01:44:08,367
I remember seeing
the sun coming up over the stage.
1777
01:44:08,409 --> 01:44:11,078
People were hammering and sawing
and things were going on.
1778
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:15,416
I mean , this was Friday morning
and it started in about five hours.
1779
01:44:15,499 --> 01:44:17,376
And as I got closer to the stage,
1780
01:44:17,418 --> 01:44:21,088
I realized, "My God, how much work
still has to be done."
1781
01:44:21,255 --> 01:44:23,591
You know, we were kind of on the fly.
1782
01:44:23,674 --> 01:44:28,053
And the idea of the stage
was a round stage cut in half, so to speak,
1783
01:44:28,095 --> 01:44:32,850
so that the first half
would be the first band ,
1784
01:44:32,933 --> 01:44:35,895
and then the back half
would be the second band
1785
01:44:35,936 --> 01:44:37,438
with their gear ready to go.
1786
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:39,440
And the idea would be,
once the first band finished ,
1787
01:44:39,523 --> 01:44:41,358
they would turn the platform ,
1788
01:44:41,442 --> 01:44:44,862
and then the secondary band
would be in position.
1789
01:44:44,945 --> 01:44:47,865
The whole thing was kind of Jerry-rigged.
1790
01:44:47,948 --> 01:44:50,701
There were so many people
on stage
1791
01:44:50,784 --> 01:44:54,622
watching the existing act
that was on and performing.
1792
01:44:54,663 --> 01:44:57,249
The problem was
that they all stood on the turntable,
1793
01:44:57,291 --> 01:45:01,337
which was far more weight
than they ever intended to support.
1794
01:45:01,629 --> 01:45:04,632
When I was there
and something was wrong ,
1795
01:45:04,673 --> 01:45:06,258
and someone said ...
1796
01:45:06,425 --> 01:45:11,347
"Get off the turntable elevation
because it's over loaded ."
1797
01:45:11,680 --> 01:45:14,683
They attempted to turn this platform
and all the wheels fell off.
1798
01:45:16,018 --> 01:45:21,524
And it just sat like that
for the entire three days.
1799
01:45:21,649 --> 01:45:24,360
Yeah, I mean, Grace and Janis
and everybody was standing on it,
1800
01:45:24,443 --> 01:45:28,030
and you know, you can't really just
sweep them off with a broom , you know.
1801
01:45:28,072 --> 01:45:29,865
The best laid plans of mice and men.
1802
01:45:31,116 --> 01:45:32,785
MARCELLI NO: I don't even know
how they kept the power on ,
1803
01:45:32,868 --> 01:45:35,538
because it really rained on Sunday.
1804
01:45:37,331 --> 01:45:39,542
Please move away
from the towers.
1805
01:45:39,625 --> 01:45:41,752
Please move away from the towers.
1806
01:45:41,835 --> 01:45:43,170
Because the ground was wet,
1807
01:45:43,212 --> 01:45:47,049
and because the cables
did run into the audience to the towers...
1808
01:45:47,132 --> 01:45:51,554
Some people, at one point, thought that
the power to the towers
1809
01:45:52,096 --> 01:45:55,432
was becoming exposed ,
the cables were becoming exposed ,
1810
01:45:55,516 --> 01:45:59,019
and that because
there was a field of wet people
1811
01:45:59,061 --> 01:46:01,730
that we were suddenly about to
electrocute a half a million people.
1812
01:46:01,814 --> 01:46:06,735
I was frightened to death every second .
I didn't want anyone to get hurt.
1813
01:46:07,194 --> 01:46:09,697
And then , to hear the stories
of how the stage was sinking.
1814
01:46:09,738 --> 01:46:12,741
When we played ,
the stage was collapsing ,
1815
01:46:12,825 --> 01:46:15,661
people screaming ,
"The stage is collapsing , the PA is out! "
1816
01:46:15,703 --> 01:46:17,288
Everybody was getting shocks.
1817
01:46:17,329 --> 01:46:20,291
It was not necessarily
the safest place to be.
1818
01:46:20,374 --> 01:46:22,126
You know, things like that would come up,
and you'd have to
1819
01:46:22,167 --> 01:46:24,128
sort of suss them out
and see what the reality was,
1820
01:46:24,169 --> 01:46:25,963
and then go deal with it.
1821
01:46:26,380 --> 01:46:27,881
I think we can be very, very proud
1822
01:46:27,965 --> 01:46:31,802
of what we accomplished
in the face of enormous obstacles.
1823
01:46:32,303 --> 01:46:34,930
There were so many things
that could've been disastrous,
1824
01:46:34,972 --> 01:46:38,475
you know, but it all just made it,
it all just made it.
1825
01:46:46,942 --> 01:46:49,820
I know I slept in a pile of velour
under the stage at one time.
1826
01:46:49,903 --> 01:46:53,490
I had a trailer down at the lake
1827
01:46:53,574 --> 01:46:56,910
which was my lighting booth for Newport,
about a 40-footer.
1828
01:46:57,161 --> 01:47:02,458
We slept in the back of the tractor trailer
on the floor.
1829
01:47:02,499 --> 01:47:03,584
If you could call it sleeping ,
1830
01:47:03,626 --> 01:47:05,961
it was a few hours, if that, every night.
1831
01:47:06,211 --> 01:47:08,380
Some of the guys in the band ,
I think, actually went back
1832
01:47:08,464 --> 01:47:12,593
to whatever facilities they had
for performers to stay at.
1833
01:47:12,676 --> 01:47:17,681
But I figured , as long as I was there,
I was gonna, you know, just sort of dive in.
1834
01:47:17,973 --> 01:47:22,227
might as well just stay
dirty, and be part of it all , yeah.
1835
01:47:22,603 --> 01:47:25,105
When you see
the brown acid announcement,
1836
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:29,985
you can tell by my fingernails
and the color of my hands that, you know,
1837
01:47:30,027 --> 01:47:32,905
we didn't get anywhere close
to any water.
1838
01:47:33,322 --> 01:47:35,324
I did not, for the record ,
1839
01:47:35,407 --> 01:47:38,786
I did not go and swim naked
in the lake. Period.
1840
01:47:38,869 --> 01:47:43,582
I think skinny-dipping is just beautiful
if you want to do it, if you can do it.
1841
01:47:43,666 --> 01:47:45,250
But some people can't
1842
01:47:45,334 --> 01:47:50,839
because their environment made them ,
you know, feel that it's wrong.
1843
01:47:54,051 --> 01:47:56,053
We had discussions about
1844
01:47:56,095 --> 01:47:58,263
how we were gonna feed these people
that were coming.
1845
01:47:58,347 --> 01:48:02,351
And we were out scrounging around
some aluminum pots and this and that,
1846
01:48:02,434 --> 01:48:03,644
and I looked at the whole scene
1847
01:48:03,686 --> 01:48:06,980
and I said , "We don't need to scrounge."
1848
01:48:07,064 --> 01:48:11,235
The Hog Farm was able to get
bushels and bushels of brown rice.
1849
01:48:11,318 --> 01:48:13,612
Now, that's what they served
at the food booths.
1850
01:48:14,154 --> 01:48:18,575
I ended up buying 160, 000 paper plates,
forks, knives and spoons
1851
01:48:18,659 --> 01:48:21,787
and about 30, 000 paper cups.
1852
01:48:21,829 --> 01:48:25,833
And it's a good thing I did ,
because they all went.
1853
01:48:25,916 --> 01:48:26,959
Everything went.
1854
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:32,548
So that's how I figured that we fed
between 160, 000 to 190, 000 people
1855
01:48:32,589 --> 01:48:34,383
at the Hog Farm free kitchen.
1856
01:48:34,466 --> 01:48:38,345
They would come up and we were
frantically trying to keep things going ,
1857
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:40,514
and someone would just
stick a hot dog in your mouth.
1858
01:48:40,556 --> 01:48:42,891
That was about,
maybe one or two hot dogs
1859
01:48:42,975 --> 01:48:45,436
was about what we ate
that whole time.
1860
01:48:45,519 --> 01:48:49,440
But we didn't care, because we knew
it was something fantastic.
1861
01:48:49,773 --> 01:48:53,402
At one point, the "Food for ove"
guys, who were our concessionaires,
1862
01:48:53,485 --> 01:48:56,071
were running low on hamburgers.
1863
01:48:56,071 --> 01:48:59,366
So they raised the prices
from a quarter to a dollar,
1864
01:48:59,450 --> 01:49:02,786
and that displeased a bunch of people,
so they went up and burned them down.
1865
01:49:02,828 --> 01:49:06,165
Now, there's a guy up there,
some hamburger guy,
1866
01:49:06,248 --> 01:49:09,126
that had his stand burned down last night,
1867
01:49:10,294 --> 01:49:12,629
but he's still got a little stuff left,
1868
01:49:12,713 --> 01:49:16,925
and for you people that still believe
that capitalism isn't that weird,
1869
01:49:16,967 --> 01:49:19,553
you might help him out
and buy a couple of hamburgers.
1870
01:49:19,887 --> 01:49:23,056
So I went around ,
making sure that there was enough food
1871
01:49:23,140 --> 01:49:24,892
for the cooks to use,
1872
01:49:24,975 --> 01:49:26,935
and then I would
check on the medical tents.
1873
01:49:27,019 --> 01:49:29,438
I was trying to get some rest in that tent,
1874
01:49:29,521 --> 01:49:31,356
there was a couple of other people
in there with me.
1875
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:34,276
At which point,
1876
01:49:34,359 --> 01:49:37,321
one of the medical personnel
came around.
1877
01:49:37,362 --> 01:49:40,699
The nurses came around and said ,
"Anybody want a shot?" "Okay."
1878
01:49:40,741 --> 01:49:44,369
So they gave us this
really painful vitamin B shot
1879
01:49:44,411 --> 01:49:45,412
right in the ass.
1880
01:49:45,496 --> 01:49:47,206
And I tried to explain , "I can't, my arms.. ."
1881
01:49:47,289 --> 01:49:48,999
He just gave me a shot of B 12.
1882
01:49:49,041 --> 01:49:51,251
Oh , Jesus, God , did that hurt!
1883
01:49:51,251 --> 01:49:53,086
But it helped , you know.
1884
01:49:53,128 --> 01:49:55,756
(*UG H I NG Don't know what it helped
with , but it definitely helped something.
1885
01:49:55,839 --> 01:49:56,924
I felt great.
1886
01:49:58,091 --> 01:49:59,718
There was a performers' pavilion.
1887
01:49:59,968 --> 01:50:01,929
Then , all of a sudden , all that went to hell ,
1888
01:50:01,970 --> 01:50:04,306
because they needed it for emergency,
you know.
1889
01:50:04,389 --> 01:50:10,395
I had to stand up to
one of the older producers
1890
01:50:10,437 --> 01:50:13,941
and say that we had to have the crew tent,
1891
01:50:13,982 --> 01:50:16,109
which was where
we were supposed to eat.
1892
01:50:16,193 --> 01:50:19,988
We had to convert it into a hospital,
we had no choice.
1893
01:50:20,072 --> 01:50:22,950
A lot of kids in town
didn't have anything to eat.
1894
01:50:22,991 --> 01:50:25,327
Word went out that everybody
should contribute food.
1895
01:50:25,410 --> 01:50:27,830
We went over to the park
1896
01:50:27,913 --> 01:50:30,916
and the village permitted
them to camp there.
1897
01:50:30,999 --> 01:50:35,045
A police car went up the street here
with a loudspeaker
1898
01:50:35,128 --> 01:50:36,380
and told the kids to come up there.
1899
01:50:36,463 --> 01:50:39,341
We fed them Saturday night,
all day Sunday.
1900
01:50:40,092 --> 01:50:42,636
If you got food, feed other people.
1901
01:50:43,345 --> 01:50:47,266
Bugsy, to the pink and white tent.
Keep feeding each other...
1902
01:50:47,349 --> 01:50:49,935
Pretty soon , everybody was taking care
of everybody else,
1903
01:50:50,018 --> 01:50:52,062
and that's what Woodstock was about.
1904
01:50:52,145 --> 01:50:55,399
...and if you're too tired to chew,
pass it on.
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